Small Town Murder - #29 - A Grinch Of A Killer in Santa Claus, Georgia

Episode Date: August 2, 2017

This week, we look at the tiny, festive town of Santa Claus, Georgia, where a young man ruins the Christmas season for a whole town, by committing some of the most brutal acts imaginable. Along the way, we find out how one jolly, red faced fat man could start a whole town based on a holiday, how water beds can single handedly save tourism, and just how low a human being can possibly sink!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay! My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you guys so, so much for joining us this week.

We are excited, as usual. We have an insane case this week in one of the weirdest towns we've ever done. This is the weirdest town we've ever done. This is like a theme town. It's insane. Theme town? It's called Santa. We'll get into it. Hold on.

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We make jokes because we're comedians and this is what we do. We're trying to tell it from a different point of view. We don't want the cold and then he cut her head off. It's very dry and it's very cold and we try to make some jokes around the town, around bumbling police forces. We make fun of murderers. We do that sort of thing. Or a fun interesting way of interrogating somebody.

Or that too, as we know from the copy machine. But we like to say we are assholes but we are not scumbags. That's the truth. We do not make fun of the victims. We never denigrate the victims' families. We don't do that. That's not what this is all about.

This is about talking about some sort of asshole or multiple assholes and where they did their crime. So let's get into it right now. What do you say? I love it. Shut up and give me murder. Shut up and give me murder. All right. Let's head down to the weirdest town we've been to so far, guys.

Santa Claus, Georgia. Santa Claus, like Santa Claus. There's no, it's not spelled weird and pronounced Santa Claus. It is Santa Claus, Georgia, and these people mean it. Is it in the Santa Claus belt? What is this? Wow, yes, it's in the elf belt

down there. The toy belt down in the southern region. Why did they do that? We'll get into this. You don't think there's going to be a little history involved in this of how this happened? This is unfortunate. There has to be a lot. And they're not the only Santa Claus, too.

We live in Arizona, and there is a Santa Claus Arizona. Get out of here. It has like 12 people in it because it's been abandoned, basically, since it's like two structures. Just like where they get all the mall Santa Clauses in Christmas time? Kind of. It's super weird, man. We'll get into this. A few towns tried to do this at the same time and they don't all thrive.

We'll put it that way. This is a dumb idea. Let's find out about it. It's in the southeastern part of the state, but it's not anywhere near any border. It is buried in Georgia. This is just Georgia through and through. It's three hours to Atlanta, hour and a half to Macon, hour and a half to Savannah. What?

It is in the middle of goddamn nowhere. It really is. It's an hour and a half from anywhere that you actually want to be. I'm telling you, there's a lot of Vidalia onion farms around there, that sort of thing. This is farmland. So it stinks, too? Yeah, it's going to be very oniony on top of everything else. It's rough.

Right in the middle of Tombs County, it's zip code 30346, area code 912, if you watch out for people calling you from Santa Claus. Very small town. It is 0.2 square miles. 0.2 square miles. It's a very small town. It's like a little town square kind of a thing with some streets around it and houses. Very small. When you pull into the town on the city limits, there's a big marker with Santa Claus.

Fuck. There's a large Santa Claus. Of course. Big statue smiling. And it says Santa Claus, quote, the city that loves children. That's what it is. That's not appetizing at all. That sounds scary. I don't want my kids anywhere near there. The city that loves children. That's what it is. That's not appetizing at all. I don't want my kids anywhere near there.

The city that loves children. That is terrifying. Our story actually has to do with people that actually are good to children and love children. So they're fit in Santa Claus here, these people. Let's get into the town a little bit. Basically, there was a guy stopped along U.S. Route 1, which is a road here, set up a roadside stand in the 1930s. It was a farmer named Green. He peddled pecans, fresh fruit, and souvenirs to people that passed by.

Reindeer food. That's it, yeah. This is before interstates. If you don't live in the United States, or even if you do and you don't know the history, the interstate system started in the 50s. That's when they started building all that shit. Before that, it was just roads. In the 50s? In the 50s. That's when they started building all that shit. Before that, it was just roads. In the 50s? In the 50s. They didn't build so like

I-40 that just goes from coast to coast in a straight line. That didn't exist. The 10 that goes all the way down that we took all the way to Austin, Texas to do a South by Southwest. Fuck that road. That did not exist. That's crazy. None of these roads existed. Only state routes. So when you took it, it was like you were taking the route like

in My Cousin Vinny, like where they were taking Alabama and these back roads and all that. You weren't getting on an eight-lane interstate and just going. So this is this type of thing. So if you saw something. I mean, I guess it makes sense because what the hell would ride on a freeway before the 50s? Yeah. So, I mean, they didn't connect all of that. They called the green the farmer.

This is funny. Quote, he was a real jolly fellow with a red complexion and a roly-poly figure who was always laughing and smiling. He started calling the community around here Santa Claus to help promote his business. Okay. Now, in 1941, he spearheads a big movement to have the community incorporated, and they call it Santa Claus. This is all for him. They get another guy on board named William Salem, who was a state legislative representative. He's a real estate developer also from the next town. And he built most of these little red brick houses that are – everything is red and brick and this whole thing.

It's wild. So what they do is they would actually let people sometimes – they just wanted people to come here. They love the town. They wanted people to frequent these businesses. They would let people move into the new homes that didn't even have money yet. They'd let them move in and start paying later on. They were like, yeah, move in. Don't worry about it.

Pay us. Start paying us when you have the money. It was that sort of thing. Really weird here. In this town, all the streets are named after Christmas shit. This town is the town of Christmas. They had a street called Spruce Street. They renamed it after William Salem.

It is the only non-Christmas-related street name in the entire town. It's still Christmas-y. It's a fucking tree. Yeah. So they figured this would be a nice place. People would stop on their way down to Florida on vacation. They'd stop here. Hey, it's Christmas-y.

Yay. We'll do all this stuff. But problem is, interstates I-7575 and i-95 completely nobody took that road anymore radiator spring done yeah now it's that was it that was in the 50s that was pretty much town died by then i mean that was it i found an article from the la times in 1986 about this town that's right i'm digging reading la la time this is what i mean thank you guys for everything because i'm sitting here looking for 1986 articles in the LA Times about a tiny town in Georgia.

Jesus Christ, man. It's a town that time forgot because of freeways. That's right. And James is sitting here reading about it. I'm reading like, oh boy, the mayor said oh boy, look at this. The mayor says the interstate killed us. He's an insurance salesman who lives on Dancer Street. The mayor. Named after a reindeer, you guys.

They have an old-timey post office to help boost the trade in Christmas card mailings with a Santa Claus postmark, because that's what they do. They have a tiny cinder block building next to City Hall that they remodeled to look like a turn-of-the-century post office to make it cute and kitschy. They have an antique postal cage, the whole deal, all that sort of thing. These people in the 80s were trying to get some business in there. They were trying to get a quote, like a candy factory or a toy manufacturing plant where we could put a guy, dress him up like Kris Kringle and make him a full time employee. That way people will actually go out of their way to stop there with the kids. It is the thing about theme towns like that.

When you name something after something and you everything's about that, eventually you fucking hate that. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, you're like this goddamn- Fuck Christmas. Oh, everything that has to do with it. Fake snow coming down. You're like, eat shit with this.

Gross. Oh, God. Can you imagine Santa Claus? No. People curse him when they leave and look up at him. I would. Fucking asshole. Especially if you have to go to bed in that fucking town and that guy's your neighbor.

You're like, this fucking asshole. Red-cheeked cocksucker. I don't like you at all. So they're saying that if we had a toy factory, there's the 18-unit Santa Claus motel there. Their owner says something like that would put Santa Claus back on the map. Back on the map. She said, I've noticed a lot of older people are beginning to come back to Route 1 because they feel like they're trapped on the interstates. No, they're not.

People use interstates. That's it. It's because it gets them where they need to go faster. They're not going to your town. They said literally, we think that people are going to stop using the interstates so much soon. That's what they said to come here. Like, how delusional do you have to be? Unreal.

We were forced to go through your shithole before. Now we don't have to, and it's great. Definitely. Here's one of the things to do in this town. We'll get it over with now. Christmas season officially opens the Friday after Thanksgiving. They light the 30-foot evergreen tree in front of the City Hall. In front of City Hall, which the address of City Hall is 25 December Drive.

Oh, Jesus. Of course. Building is decorated with a big nativity scene. Plastic Santa Claus is all over the place. You can't get away from Santa Claus in this goddamn town. A week before Christmas, they have a big community holiday party held at City Hall. Santa Claus passes out candy and fruit to the children like it's the 1820s. Wow.

They have a big, the biggest thing they have is the annual Christmas Eve candle lighting ceremony. Yeah. They do all this. The mayor says it's really a beautiful, beautiful sight from 6 o'clock in the evening when the candles are lighted until way into the night we get a constant stream of cars going through with their headlights off well holy shit someone's gonna get run over that sounds very dangerous that's not a good thing no he just says i just want to find an investor that's willing to set up a toy or a candy factory here that's it they think that's gonna do it huh wow uh that's it he's really banking on the seas candy people coming think that's going to do it, huh? Wow. That's it. He's really banking on the See's Candy people coming through. That's going to save

this whole fucking town. And this is great too. You know he writes letters to like Hasbro or some fucking Mattel. I have a town. I have a fat man that we dress in red. If you send your factory here, I will put him in an office and people will come visit.

Please do it. Thank you. A woman named Barbara Blackston, who's the manager of the Santa Claus Motel, says the only people there are Georgia Power Company nuclear plant temporary workers. She's the only people there out of her. Temporary employees. Temporary employees coming in and out. She said, if we could stand getting more tourists, if I owned this place, I employees coming in and out. She said, we could stand to get, if we could stand

getting more tourists, if I own this place, I'd put in water beds, new carpets, mirrors, and all sorts of things for them. I'd really have

this business going. Water beds and mirrors are her plan. I'd really have, there's nobody fucking there. There's nobody there. People aren't going to stop using the convenient

interstate system so they can go stay in a water bed in a shithead hotel, a shit fucking whole motel somewhere in some town. Waterbeds and mirrors are not, it's not 1986. No, good Lord. And by the way, if you do get a candy shop or a toy manufacturer, now you've got to get

a bunch of midgets running around. Oh, now you're going to have to have little people everywhere. It's going to be terrible. You've got to have people taking tours and meeting the midgets. You've got to have a fat guy who can stay healthy. They're older. They might not be able to work every day if you've got a real sense. It's ridiculous to be terrible. Taking tours and meeting the midgets. You've got to have a fat guy who can stay healthy. They're older. They might not be able to work every day if you've got a real sense. It's ridiculous.

Sorry. The town thinks, sorry, guys, it's going to take about two minutes longer than normal, but this is hilarious to me. This town is hilarious, and I had to talk about it. It's ridiculous. People in this town, there's 166 people in Santa Claus. Okay. That is it.

That's the population. That's 166 too many. Too many. And it's down 30% since 2000 when it was 237 people. Our story takes place in the late 90s, so that's about what we're talking about in that time period. It's going to be in the 250 range, 220 to 250. Okay. 60% female, which we get skewed stats in these smaller towns.

There's only 166 people, so that's just a few people more, and it makes the stat look ridiculous. Median age is 44.3. That is not just a statistical aberration. This town is old. There's normal amounts of little kids there, but nobody from 18 to 34. Like the normal thing, it would be like, you know, 18 to 24, 12% would be normal. It's like 3% here. It's like there's no, they just run screaming from this place.

That's bizarre. Think about it. If you were, if you're a kid and you don't want to be a kid anymore, now you're's like there's no – they just run screaming from this place. That's bizarre. Think about it. If you're a kid and you don't want to be a kid anymore, now you're an adult, you're like, get me out of this Christmas. If I hear Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer one more time, I'm going to hang myself from City Hall at 25 December Street. Meanwhile, I'm in the South. I haven't built a snowman. I build mud men. Like, this is crazy.

This is horror. I build onion men. I go out to the field and just build onion men. I roll them up in a big ball and put them together. This is 25% of the people are between the ages of 65 and 74. For some reason, that nine-year window has a quarter of the population. Well, it's all the men traveling there to compete to be Santa. I was going to say, it must be.

It's a Santa pageant every year. They must have taken that census during Santa audition time, I feel like, in that town. It's the only way that happened. Santa just died and they got a bunch of dudes, an influx of applicants. You know what happened. It's got to be. 95 households in this town total. So, I mean, that's how small we are. That's why I'm giving that stat. 60% are married, which is a little bit higher than normal. But like I said, all these stats, small town. It all doesn't matter unless it's way off it's it's just because it could be two extra people it's just that sort of thing race and religion uh it's not it's very white 91 percent white yeah uh santa claus they have 6.75 percent black there you know those guys are like i don't

care what color i am i'm gonna be santa claus god damn it i'm gonna go down there it's about half the normal uh population zero percent Asian, 0% Native American. No Chinese restaurants in Santa Claus town. It's Christmas town. I was going to say. Juzied Chinese on Christmas. So they'd eat it every day there. That's what that is. That's how that would work.

We have 2.53% Hispanic. So that's the racial breakdown there. Basically four Hispanic people. There's one family. There's like, you know, basically four Hispanic people. There's one family. There's like 10 black guys, 10 black people, maybe two, two, three black families. Just sticking it out, saying, damn it, Santa's black. I'm going to try. It's happening.

Very religious town, as we're going to get to. And there's a lot of these deep sun. This is deep. Boy, this is like this is this is the Bible belt. This is where the Bible belt like buckles. Yeah, this is like the class buckle. This is where the Bible belt like buckles. This is like the clasp. The buckle. This is the clasp.

That's the old one, yeah. Right here. A big black and gold buckle like Santa. A big pilgrim buckle. Yeah. Or Santa buckle. A big 68.6% religious there. Jesus.

That is about as high as we've covered of anybody. I mean, they're keeping the Christ in Christmas. Christmas, yeah. What do you want here? But it's very religious, not just based around Christmas, and we'll get into that here. 38.2% Baptist. So Baptist, the Catholics of the South. We'll go backwards on that one.

0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim, obviously. They're not going to move to – why would you move to Christmastown if you don't celebrate Christmas even? That doesn't make any sense at all so uh you know what though i'm surprised they don't have like one they don't hire one jewish person to come in so they could all just go hey no he's trying to steal christmas from you there he is just for a pageant or something they give him like little phone rocks to throw at him come on throw him it's jew jew rock throwing time come on they glue horns to his head and shit part of the candle ceremony i like, down there with all the Baptists. Sorry, Baptists, but you guys are pretty hardcore.

That's all we're going to say. Average household income down there, about $34,000 a year. So it's about $20,000 less than the average household income in the United States. The jobs down there, not a lot of things, as you'd imagine, in the high-tech industries. 0% for engineering, computer science. Well, they don't have any toy factories. If they had a toy factory, they'd have an engineer that knows how to design at least the machines that makes the toys. Not a lot in terms... They're below everything, below an education library, below all this sort

of thing. No community social services, that's not there. 0.0% work in healthcare support because it's a small town. They don't have a hospital there. They do have 0.76% firefighters and law enforcement. So there's like one guy. There's a couple of dudes. That's like one guy, it turns out. Yeah, that is. Statistically. It's one dude that polices 240 people.

That's the guy. Or he puts out the fire. He just waits there with his hose. That sort of thing. It's rough. A little more food preparation serving, as you'd expect, because they're trying to get tourists here. Overall, cost of living, we do the $100,000 being average. Their cost of living would be an $80,000 as comparison with that. But the really low thing is housing, which is at a $42,000. Oh.

$42,000, which is not a lot. Santa's workshop is cheap. Cheap, man. too, which is not a lot. Santa's workshop is cheap. Cheap, man. Median home cost there is about $78,000, which is well below, a little over $100,000 below the median average. Most of the homes

are all between $60,000 and $150,000. There are zero homes for sale here, or zero homes over $200,000 in value in the entire town. It's not a big town. Santa Claus, if we've convinced you, and I know it's going to be tempting to not move here. If you have to,

you just have to go to Santa Claus, Georgia. We have the Santa Claus, Georgia real estate report for you right here. Two-bedroom apartment on the average there, although there aren't any available right now. Go for about $645, which is about $400 less than the average. I found

one house for sale in the town proper. One house for sale in the town. There's some around in Lyons, which is the surrounding town, but not in the town on a Christmas street. Found one. It's a three-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath, 2,000-square-foot house on Holly Street. And it's under $200,000. Just south of Reindeer Avenue for $69,900. Wow. That is incredibly cheap. That's great. What a deal. Just south of Reindeer Avenue. Oh, Christ. For $69,900. Wow.

That is incredibly cheap. That's great. What a deal. That's a steal right there. So if you're really into Christmas. That's your shit. Check that out right there. At least buy a vacation home there.

Go spend December. You'll have plenty of money left to buy a Rudolph if you want. Oh, God. You can imagine. Spray paint its fucking nose. You'll look like Clark Griswold. You can cover your house and shit. You'll have plenty of money to do that.

Things to do there. August 26th is the Little Miss Faces of Bliss fashion show. They like that kind of shit in the South. They're into that. July 31st is the Men's Fellowship Dinner. Watch out for that. That's party people right there. That's going on right now as we record.

Yikes. Yeah, that sounds scary. And, of course, everything to do with Christmas is there. So that doesn't really need to be said. Crime, which is our area of interest, obviously. Property crime, which is, you know, robbery, burglary, that sort of thing. It's Santa Claus. Yes.

Santa Claus breaking into your house. He is property crime. Yeah, that's breaking and entering right there. That's a decent amount higher than normal. Not extreme, but you go, I have more than normal. It's not in the realm of, the realm of margin of error or anything. Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery, assault, is almost twice the national average in Santa Claus, which a lot of that is also because it's so small and once in a while crazy violent things happen,

like what we're going to talk about today. You get Santa hopped up on some brandy and eggnog. Yeah, where the hell was Santa Claus on this day here when this happened? Because this is a disaster, this murder case. Let's first talk about a woman here, Kimberly Denise Driggers. She is at this time. Let's find her in about 1990. We'll talk about her from the start here.

She was tortured as a kid with that name. Yeah, Kimberly Denise Driggers. In the South? Jesus. Yeah, you know. That's brutal. That's the worst. Yeah, they probably were very mean and racist to her at that moment in time.

Kim had a rough life. When she was three years old, her father was killed right in front of her. Oh, my God. Which is, yeah, you know, that's tough, I think, right there. The death of her father pushed her into foster care for several years, her whole childhood, basically. She just went from one foster home to another, bounced around, lost in the system. This was back in the 60s.

She's born in 1964. So 1967, her father is killed. And through the end of the 60s and through the 70s. As messed up as the foster system is now, thinking about how it was in the 60s 50 years ago, sweet Pete. Not good at all. Poor girl.

Yeah, terrible. And especially coming from what she came from. She's basically Dexter. You know what I mean? I mean, that's what's going on here. She's Dexter, and that's going to be a little scary. And that's like the best case scenario of coming out of all that. Yeah, at least Dexter had a job and an apartment.

You know what I mean? He had a couple of relationships. And he's killing terrible people. Honestly, Dexter is more socially put together than most comedians I know. Honestly. He really is. He had a family. He had a wife and a kid and a house and a job and all that shit.

I know people that can't. They sleep on. They're 40 years old. They sleep on people's couches still. That's where they live. Where do you live? On Bob's couch. That seems tenable for a long period of time.

He got married for like a month and a half and then he wound up on friends' couches for three months. Comedian. Exactly. That's a guy that tries to function in the society that you live in, people. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, hey, it's not bad so far we got here. So she's bouncing around. She gets into, as a teenager teenager big time into drugs and alcohol

obviously this is this and this is the upbringing that's going to do that to you in a tortured background and all that sort of thing uh she you know she just had a tough time so by 1990 she is you know she's 23 years or 26 years old she's had a tough life bounced around she's been doing drugs for 10 years alcohol drugs she's a She's a mess. At one point, she shows up barefoot on the front steps of a church outreach building, which is on Green Oak Road. It's a little single-wide mobile home that has that. She shows up barefoot. She's been living in her car. She has nothing.

She's rock bottom. I mean, absolutely rock bottom. She had lost – she has three children at this point Amber Brooke and Bryant poor lady yeah the poor lady they have all been taken by the state at this point which is brutal just brutal uh the twin the Brooke and Bryant are twins by the way too identical not identical obviously they're boy and girl but they're twins also so I mean she had those at once which is hard for anybody if you have your shit together and you have a kid and then you have two more and they're twins.

Holy shit. Like that's. I can't imagine. I feel. That's tough. When it's your first child, too, that is terrifying. My grandfather's a twin. And when I got my wife pregnant, that was like.

It's scary. I was losing my mind. Yeah. We went for ultrasounds. I'm like, make sure again. Make sure there's only one. I can't do two. I can't do it.

I'm terrified enough for this one. No. So she's there. She's been living out of her car. Her kids are Amber, Brooke, and Bryant. Like I said, Brooke and Bryant are the twins. Amber is four years older than them. So, I mean, you know, this is tough.

This is like my life. Yeah. My mom, this was my mom at 26 years old. This is bananas how much it, I mean, apart from the foster care shit. My mom did okay there. Your father wasn't killed in front of you, apart from the foster care shit, my mom did okay there. Your father wasn't killed in front of you, which is good. No, that either. That's better.

My grandpa's still around. Good. That's nice. But, I mean, my mom was basically homeless, barefoot and showing up at outreach places like this. This is just horrible. So the Reverend Wood is there, and we're going to hear from him throughout this whole story. He says, quote, she came to our church in a little itty-bitty car crammed with everything she owned in the world. So that's what it is. It was our Dodge Duster. Yeah, probably was.

With holes in the floorboard and shit. That's what we had. Yeah, that's probably what she had too. The Dodge Duster with the black elephant dick tubing for the heater core. And the heater wouldn't come out of the dash. It came out of the tubes in the floor. Oh, very nice. We huddled on the floorboard. Nice.

In Colorado Springs. I'm going to call this like an AMC of some kind, like a pacer or something like that, I feel like. Something garbage. Yeah, some kind of garbage shitbox that barely rolled into this poor place here. Coasted in on the last of the fumes that were in the gas tank, too. And here, it's at this church that she meets the most unfortunately named man I've ever encountered in my life, Danny Daniels. Oh, Jesus.

She meets. And his name is not Daniel Daniels. It's Danny Daniels. That's what they named this poor man. Why would they do that? I don't know. He's about 10 years older than her. Yeah.

Danny Daniels here. He's a nice guy. He's a mailman in nearby Lyons. He's a small town mailman. He teaches adult Sunday school classes. He's a Pentecostal guy, as all these people are here. He is, by all accounts of everybody, just a nice man. He's the type of guy, like, people talk shit about religious people, and we do it all the time.

We make jokes and everything, and that's fine because neither of us are religious. But some people, this is, like, how you should be. If you're like this, we're not talking shit about you. This is fine. Be nice to people. Do this shit. These are the people, like, this is how it should be. Yeah. This is if you're like this, we're not talking shit about this is fine. Be nice to people. Do this shit that these are the people like this is how it should be. I feel like this is what, you know, the model parishioner is what you're saying. That's exactly right.

He absolutely is. He resided in Santa Claus for years since he was a kid. They moved to Santa Claus. Like I said, postal employee. Just a nice guy. Just a nice guy. Now he meets her and he she cleans herself up, and he washes her off. He washed her feet because he's religious.

Oh, that was probably part of it. Come here. Oh, God. That just creeped me right the fuck out. So he helped her overcome her addictions. He helped her with the counseling, and I'm sure put some Bible verses in there and all that sort of thing. Either way, however he did it, he got her just not living in a car and not on drugs. That's great.

So terrific, right? What a guy. They end up together. They end up getting married in 1992. Great. So that's nice. So now she's got a completely different life. They get married. They regain custody of all three of Kim's children. Wonderful. Isn't that nice?

Terrific. I mean, that's as nice as you could be. They move into a house, a nice little house. Beautiful. Little house on Dasher Street right near Rudolph Way. I fucking hate this. The house is wedged between two catfish ponds, and they have big, tall pine trees. So it smells lovely.

They have grape vines that they pick, and they have grapes they grow and all this sort of shit. Oh, my God. It's ridiculous, man. Also, Danny brings a daughter named Jessica into this. She is older than her children. She's four years older than Amber. Okay. She's eight years older than the twins.

Yes, eight years older than the twins. Exactly. This house that they have, it burns to the ground in the mid-90s. What do they do? They rebuild it. Yeah. Let's just rebuild the house. May as well.

And while we're at it, since we're rebuilding this house, let's get some foster children. Yeah. Let's start adopting kids. Let's make the house bigger. Let's make it bigger because, I mean, poor Kim, she grew up in the foster system and all, and she said, I want to give back. I want to help kids like me. She's a saint.

She's turned into a wonderful person. These two are like model citizens. I mean, they live in Santa Claus in a little house on Dasher Street with a little family. It's a town that loves children. They're adopting kids. It's the town that loves children. They do. Good God.

She's creating her own little Southern Brady Bunch. I wish this town loved children a little bit more. Let's introduce Jerry Scott Heidler. We're going to call him Scott Heidler because everybody calls him Scott. But if you know anyone who goes by their middle name, worry about that person. Because half of the people we've encountered go by their middle name for some reason. But I've never encountered a human being that I know. I can't name three people I know that go by their middle names.

I know one, and he's a complete fucking scumbag. There you go. What's your middle name, Jimmy? It's not Jimmy, is it? No. It doesn't matter, because it's not Jimmy. That's it right there. That's the point.

It's Ellis, if you want to know. There you go. So this Scott Heidler here, who I don't trust at all, just from that, he's born 1977. I never even thought about that. I'm so glad that you just said that. That's the truth. Yeah, it's like you can't even. There are serial killers that go by their middle name.

Most of them. Yeah. Half the people we covered go by their middle name. It all comes up. It's so strange. He had a tough childhood, this guy here. Okay. He's born 1977, like I said, so he is 13 years younger than Kim, little older than, four

years older than Jessica, Danny's daughter. Yeah. So that's kind of in the range of where he is. He had a tough childhood, too. He had open-heart surgery when he was only four years old. Oh, Jesus. He had health problems. He was placed in multiple foster homes because of poor supervision by his mother.

Yeah. Just awful. A woman named Sylvia Boatwright, who was his foster mother when he was 11, said that he had imaginary friends. He carried a mouse around in his hand. Oh, my God. So this is just the saddest little. He's like from a Dickens novel, this kid.

Like a chimney sweep in his hand and a mouse in the other. Holy shit. My heart's a little weak. Can I go home early today, sir? Like, this is horrible. Okay. So is he being fostered by them? Is that what's going on?

Not by them, no. We're talking about this is Sylvia Boatwright, a woman who was his foster mother in 1988 when he was 11 years old. Okay, so he's just four years younger than Kim? No, no, no. He's 13 years younger than Kim. He's four years older than Danny's daughter. We haven't gotten to why he's being introduced. No, not yet.

Well, he comes in later, too, in the story. But anyway, I want to hear something worse about him. Also, she said, quote, Scotty was afraid of the dark. He was afraid a knife would come through the ceiling and cut him. Yeah. This kid is fucked up. What kind of fear is that? This kid's fucked up.

And I understand he's had a reason to be, but he has mental issues, this guy. Later on, he's returned to his mother. He attends a school in Baxley for children with learning disabilities. His teacher said he would mutilate himself. He'd pick at his skin until he would bleed. Oh, my God. Like a 10-year-old heroin addict, this poor kid. He drops out of high school in the 10th grade.

He never worked, ever. He said, this is a quote from him. He said, because soil rhymes with toil. And apparently all there is to do there is farm. So he's not doing that. He never owned a car. He's a clever one, isn't he? Yeah, he's a real, this one's a, he's a peach, this one.

This is, he's a Georgia peach. That's right, baby. You know, never owned a car, never had his own place. Any money he ever had, he'd just get off other people. And he's just- And buy mice. Yeah. He's like, I gotta buy mouse food here.

Never arrested for anything violent crimes. As we get into later on in the mid-90s, he burglarizes a place. He steals a Kawasaki four-wheeler from a garage. That sort of thing. As you do in the South. Yeah. As one wants. He's on probation for a couple DUIs in the mid-90s, that sort of thing.

He's just a basic jerk-off idiot that's really- He's trying to deal, too, with his problems. He's had a hard life, and he's not coping with it well. No, he's drinking to forget it, and then driving. Wait, what the fuck is he driving? He doesn't even own a car. Other people's cars. He borrows cars from people, goes around.

In 1995, he meets, Scott Heidler here, meets the Daniels family. His little sister, Joanne, who was 10 at the time, was in foster care for a few months with the Daniels family. So Danny Daniels, Kim Daniels, they take her in. This was because their mother, Latrelle, Latrelle Mosley, like Latrelle Sprewell, the basketball player. And this is the mom. This is the mom. This is Heidler's mom, Latrelle. Latrelle says that she had to send Joanne to foster care because she fell ill for months and was in the hospital and couldn't take care of her.

Also, during that time, Scott himself stayed at the Daniels house, too, with the sister. When they saw he had problems, they invited him to stay. Also, they tried to get him to get off drugs and alcohol. He's got a bit of a crack problem, which is nice, and alcohol. So he's all fucked up, this kid. He's got a lot of issues now. Joanne, the sister, said that, by the way, when they interviewed her about this, she was 12 years old and she was smoking already. Oh, boy. They're like, in the article, it says, in between puffs on a cigarette.

Wow. I'm like, this kid is- At 12. At 12. This kid's hard, man. Yeah. This kid is hard. This is like the girl from The Great Outdoors, but earlier and harder.

She's not going to just be a bit of a pain in the ass. She's going to stab somebody if they stick her with a pool cue by accident in the butt. You know? Didn't stick her with it. No. Bumped her with it. Just rubbed her. Bumped in her.

Rubbed in her. It was between. It went between her with it, you know? Bumped her with it. Just rubbed her. Bumped in her. Rubbed in her. It was between. It went between her legs. That was pretty. That was pretty. And came up and slid. That was pretty. Yeah, that was pretty.

It was a bit rapey. That was a little rapey, yeah. If it was on purpose, it was hardcore rapey. Oh, Jesus. That would have been. That's a felony. Not okay. Yeah, absolutely.

She said, though, that she enjoyed the Daniels. Joanne said she, you know, liked it. Also, her mother, Latrell, kept in contact with Kim on the phone. They kept talking because Kim wanted to see how Joanne was doing. That's how nice these people are. Latrell said, this is the mother, says that Scott and Jessica,

his daughter, Danny Daniels' daughter, dated a bit then. Now, this right away, why is she doing that? He's 18. She's 14. Let me tell you something. I have a 15 year old daughter. If a boy

when she was last year, an 18 year old boy came to the house with him, there wouldn't even be a conversation. I would pluck his eyeball out like in The Handmaid's Tale and replace it with his nutsack. Period. That's it. End of fucking story. Get off my property asshole. Best of luck walking home. Pedophile nutsack. Period. That's it. End of fucking story. Get off my property, asshole.

Best of luck walking home with that shit in your face. You pedophile dickhead. Exactly. Go home. Your death perception's going to be a little bit off. You're going to have to shave your eyeball. Yes, exactly. Wow. Unreal.

I've never heard that before. I don't know. It just came out. I don't know what to say. Not planned at all. Just plop it right in there. Latrell, his mother, said, quote, they sat together at church. He was over there all the time.

Apparently they had stopped dating, but she thought they were still friends. Sometimes Scott would still stay over at the Daniels' home in Santa Claus because they were still kind of looking after him, even though he was trying to get with their daughter and they didn't like that. And he's an adult. And he's an adult at that point. Now, a friend of hers, Christy Wood, Christy Wood, who is the Reverend Wood's wife, who was Kim's best friend, said that she never thought that Scott and Jessica actually dated.

She said that, you know, he really liked her and people would tease her about it. And she was just very shy and self-conscious. She's 14, 15 years old. She wasn that, you know, he really liked her and people would tease her about it and she was just very shy and self-conscious. She's 14, 15 years old. She wasn't into it, you know what I mean? This Woods said, quote, he'd like always call her over to the car and want to talk to her. And she said, you know, she knew he was, he knew

that she was too young, but she had a feeling that, you know, he could get with her anyway. It was one of those things. He just, this kid's not, he's not right. and also with a lot of these kids, because I knew a guy like this in high school. When we were like 16, there was a kid who was like 22 years old. What? He was dating a 15-year-old girl, and her parents knew about it

and were okay with it. Jesus. And he lived with his adopted parents. This is like 1996. This is what I mean this is like this happened like 95 and he was like he had a weird childhood where he was in like foster care and was like all basically he was 22 but they were like well he lost six years he's like 16 now mentality that's kind of what we're dealing with here i feel like it's sort of the same thing uh apparently

though he was banned uh from the house at some point because he kept bothering Jessica. Apparently, he's banned from the house. It seems like it would take a lot for these people to ban anyone from their house. Anyone. Unless they catch him with, like, her underwear in his pocket or something. Yeah, it would take a lot. That's what I mean. They would take that.

It wouldn't take, like, hey, keep eyeballing her. I feel like they would talk to him and try to get, you know, they're doing that. The reverend said that Heidler went to church there for about two months with them. He called him, Reverend Wood called him quiet and withdrawn, said, quote, he didn't have much to say. Hey, everybody, just going to break away from the show for one moment to tell you about our good, good friends at Blue Apron. Blueapron.com. Oh, guys, this Blue Apron is delicious. If you haven't gotten it yet, please get it.

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And now back to the show. Now we have another woman in church who says something terrific that we'll get to in a second. It's never a good thing when James says something terrific. It's so funny. This is the funniest thing in the world. The Reverend also said, quote, I feel like the reason people weren't comfortable around him is that he wasn't comfortable around them. His social skills were zilch. Yeah.

So he's got problems. He feels inferior, too, to everybody. He does. Because he knows what he is. He fears a knife coming through the ceiling. Right. He's got issues. He doesn't want you guys to know about that mouse in his pocket.

He's legitimately got a mouse in his pocket. Lenny's got a mouse in his pocket, and it's fucking scary at this point. I'm mice and men. It's all I got. Jesus, you're a literary fucking genius tonight. I'm on top of my game tonight, I really am. I'm impressed that I got the reference, because I'm a fucking idiot. No shit, yeah, you got it too. See, there was a movie they showed us in school.

They made you watch it in the ninth grade, didn't they? They did. They had Billy Bob Thornton in it, didn't they? I think Gary Sinise, I think, is in a movie they showed us in school. They made you watch it in the ninth grade, didn't they? They did. That Billy Bob Thornton in it, didn't it? I think Gary Sinise, I think, is in that movie. All right, then. I think Billy Bob Thornton kills the... Is it Billy Bob? I know Gary Sinise is a smart one. That's all I know. Well, Billy Bob,

he plays a really good dummy. When he was heavy too, he really played a good dummy. He was basically a mice and men sling blade. Now, the Reverend Wood's wife has the best quote ever we've ever had in the craziest town we've ever had about Scott. Her quote is, quote, he was just weird. I didn't want my youngins around him.

I said after I met him that he was possessed by demons. Jesus. What the fuck is that? He's in a town that loves children. I didn't want my youngins around him. I love that, first of all. And she just said, my son, after I met him,

he's possessed by demons. Like, she walks up to people and she's either, it's one of two, either possessed by demons or not possessed by demons, like, as she figures out. What do you think?

I don't know. This one, not possessed by demons. How about judge not lest ye? You know what I mean? Like, calm down, lady. Here's my question. How many people in her life do you think she met that were possessed by demons, in her opinion? Like, calm down, lady. Here's my question. How many people in her life do you think she met that were

possessed by demons, in her opinion? Like, there's hundreds, probably. There's half the people she knows. Johnny down at the grocery store. Demons. All demons. All demons there. Greg down at the feed shop. Demons. Lots of... You could see them around him. Demons everywhere. I don't let my youngins go in there.

She's been in that town for a long time. So, from 2000, she's seen the exodus of those people. Oh, yeah, yeah. And you know, she's just counting them as they leave. Demons. Demons everywhere. I don't let my youngins go in there. She's been in that town for a long time. So from 2000, she's seen the exodus of those people. Oh, yeah, yeah. And you know, she's just counting them as they leave. Demons, demons, demons. Apparently our town was 27% demon. They all left. It's good now.

Demons. Unbelievable. All right, let's laugh now because we won't be able to laugh soon. Scott. Get it out. Scott is also involved at this point with an 18-year-old woman who, that's better. Getting there. Yeah.

It's getting there. That's better. He's two years older than her. She's the mother of what he thinks. What? She's the mother of what he thinks is his son, Joshua, who was born in 1995, but she isn't sure who the father was. who was born in 1995, but she isn't sure who the father was.

And 1997, as we'll get into, she's pregnant again, and she has no idea who the father of this baby is. Amazing. And the baby is born stillborn. And we'll get into how that affects Scott here. This woman was married. Keep in mind, she's 16 years old before this, was married to a man named Spivey. That's why her name is Marie Spivey. But they only lived together for three months and then got a divorce.

Jesus. And then she found this guy, had a kid with him, and isn't really sure about who the father is. This is a goddamn mess. What a town. This is a fucking mess. Yeah, this is not fucking Christmas. This is not holiday.

There's nothing holiday about this. There is nothing in the spirit of the season here. No. I'm sorry. about this. There is nothing in the spirit of the season here. I'm sorry. So, May 1997, Heidler Scott is arrested for breaking into Taylor's Treasures, which is a store

where he stole porcelain dolls, Nintendo games, and knives. Oh my god. So it sounds like some sort of shit odds and ends store there. Somebody that's afraid of knives is stealing knives. Yeah, exactly. Well, maybe he's going to fight knives with knives. He's going to have a sword fight tonight.

That's it. Coming through. I'll be ready for him. In his ceiling. I'm ready. Come on, ceiling. Come get me. I'm ready for you.

I don't care. Laying in his posturpedic and he's going to fucking. I made me a Nintendo game. Yeah. A Nintendo game armor shield. And I got me a knife. Those are the best ones to use. And porcelain dolls to pray for me.

Let's do this now. Those are the best games to use. They're huge. Yeah, they're huge in plastic. So, December 3rd, 1997. Let's do this now. Those are the best games to use. They're huge. Yeah, they're huge and plastic. So December 3rd, 1997. Let's catch up with this. This day is a joyous day for the Daniels family. On Wednesday, this is a Wednesday, December 3rd, 1997, Danny and Kim celebrate their fifth

wedding anniversary. They have a nice little brick house, like I said, Dasher Road. They have seven children now at this point. They have a nice little brick house, like I said, Dasher Road. They have seven children now at this point. They have Jessica. They had Kim's three children. Once again, Amber, who's 12 at this point. Eight-year-old twins, Brooke and Brian. And then they had three foster

children as well at this point that they've taken in. Amanda, who's nine years old. Corey, who's four years old. And ten-month old, Gabriel. So there's seven kids in the house. They have this night, they have a small, because it's December 3rd, and 10-month-old Gabriel. So there's seven kids in the house. They have this night, they have a small, because it's December 3rd, so they have their Christmas tree. They have a small Christmas tree. Yeah, it's after Thanksgiving.

This shit is popping right now. Oh, shit is on in this town. It's getting down right now. Forget about it. Here it's like, I don't know, we'll put the tree up next week. That is like when it hits midnight on Thanksgiving night. Red and green fucking everywhere. Trees are going up.

There's lights. Jingle bellings all over the place. So there was 60 wrapped presents all over the living room floor under the tree. Think about how pristine. Them, all their kids. They're in their little house. It's fucking Whoville. This is Whoville.

Exactly what this is. Earlier this year, all of Kim's three children, her biological children, Danny adopted all of them also, so they're all part of the same family. And they intend to adopt the other three foster children now, too. Nice people. Amazing guy despite his name. Yeah. I feel bad for him on the name.

People said she doted on the kids as if they were their own because she could empathize with them. That was always the thing. Now, Scott had a different day on December 3rd. Yeah. Scott attended the funeral of a stillborn baby that he didn't know if he was always the thing. Now, Scott had a different day on December 3rd. Scott attended the funeral of a stillborn baby that he didn't know if he was the father of.

So that was what he did. That night, he walks to complete polar opposites here. He walks to a friend's house where he plays pool. By the way, he plays pool and he watched men playing dominoes, okay? This house he goes to is owned by a 59-year-old man who's wheelchair-bound from a car accident,

lives with a helper, and says that, quote, young people often drop by to shoot pool on his back porch or just hang out. That's a fucking weird environment. Some fucking disabled- That's kids that just invaded your house because you can't do a fucking thing about it. Some disabled older guy just lets teenagers hang out in his house. That's weird. That seems really creepy and rapey.

There's something weird going on there. Very strange. So he stays there for a little while. He says he has two beers. We know he has two beers. And then he walks home to his mother's house where he was, you know, freeloading there, obviously, because where else is he going to go? Right.

He also, too, would often stay where Marie lived. He just stayed around. This is the guy who sleeps on the couch. He stayed where Marie Spivey is with his son. He'd stay with his mother. The whole deal. He's not allowed at the Daniels house anymore. Not allowed there anymore. Absolutely. He came home that Wednesday afternoon. He stayed

there, did all of that. Then he went out later on to Johnson's house and did that. He was over at his mom's house for a little while before that. He said he was feeling like he was coming down with something. Always says he's sick, by the way. He says he's not going to live very long. He says he has heart and lung problems, which he had a surgery for his heart, but we don't

know what the lung problems are. We never really find out. He said, anyway, he said he was going to take a shower and then go hang out at Jerry Johnson's house, the disabled fellow there. He calls her at about 10 or 11 o'clock at night from his house, from Jerry Johnson's house, from hanging out. He calls Marie, you know, that sort of thing. So he's having a night trying to blow off some steam basically here. So he leaves the hangout here at about 11 o'clock.

Apparently, everybody says on foot. o'clock. Apparently, everybody says on foot. Later on, though, he goes back to his mother's house for a little bit, hangs out, then walks back to Johnson's house, steals car keys to a dark maroon Dodge van, which is part of this guy's

van that he needs to get his wheelchair in. Yeah, he's got a wheelchair right up on the side. Yeah, this is like a poor guy's van here, and took a small amount of money also, stole from him. Also stole Johnson's Social Security check. What? His Social Security, his disability check, too.

So he steals his handicapped van and his disability check. This is some evil shit right here. So he went to his mom's house, took a shower, went to Johnson's, hung out, drank beer, went back home for a minute, and then went back to commit felonies. Yeah, to commit a bunch of felonies. Yeah, exactly. Apparently, he went back after when he was home with his mom's people started talking about the stillborn baby, and that's when he ran out of the house, went back over there and took all this shit, gets in it, gets in the van, fires it up, gets on US Route 1,

and heads to Santa Claus. Okay, what's he doing there? Let's find out. He gets there a little after one in the morning. Yeah. He arrives at the Daniels' house. What he does is he gets a stepladder that was in the garden. He hoists himself up to the bathroom window through the stepladder,

breaks into their house. He looks around for a little bit while they're all sleeping. Everyone in the house is sleeping. He finds a semi-automatic shotgun from a gun cabinet. Oh, my God. In the bedroom, in Kim and Danny's bedroom. Are they asleep right now? They're asleep. Everybody's asleep. He goes looking

for Jessica at this point with the shotgun. As he's walking around the house, he encounters Bryant. He's the eight-year-old, one of the eight-year-old twins lying in his bed. He shoots Bryant in the back with a close-range shotgun blast an eight-year-old

sleeping child in their bed okay this causes obviously everyone to wake up because it's loud as shit yeah um yeah jessica runs toward him apparently running showing trying to get to kim and danny's room yeah uh he shoots her in the back. She goes down. She drops. She's one shot. She's dead right there. Scott ends up going into the bedroom of the Daniels now and shoots them multiple shotgun blasts all over the place.

All over the place. It's sad because Jessica was found in the doorway leading to the master bedroom basically. She was trying to get to her parents. She got shot. He shoots them multiple times here. It ends up it's a Remington 1100 semi-automatic shotgun that's missing from the cabinet, which that's what it is. They find seven spent shotgun casings found throughout the house. That particular model gun holds six shells. So he reloaded. He shot those two, shot them a little more and said, kind of finish the job. And reloaded and shot him again.

Kim ended up being shot twice. Once in the stomach and once in the arm. Danny was shot up to four times. Finally one in the head. The blast to the head finally killed him. The other ones once in the back of the head for Jessica.

Bryant was shot once in the head. So they said they died instantly, the kids. But they said that Kim and Danny probably lived for a few minutes, which is excruciating and horrible, especially knowing that your kids just got shot, too, and everything else. I can't imagine. That's insane. Now, a neighbor hears these noises. By the way, we have not got to the worst thing that he's done yet.

What? A neighbor hears these noises about 1.45 p.m. and calls the police department, obviously. A.M., right? This is 1.45 in the morning, calls the police department. This point, Scott, he leaves. There's more kids in the house, as we know. He's killed two of them. There's five more kids.

He then wakes up Brooke, who is the twin of Bryant, the eight-year-old. He wakes up Amanda, who is nine years old, and Amber, who is 12 years old. He wakes them up. He tells them that a burglar had broken into their house and that Kim, their mom, told him to take them away. Yeah. Okay. He then gets them. Unbelievable.

So unreal, man. So these kids are, you know, eight, nine years old, 8, 9, 12 years old. I mean, I almost said, and they believed that because he doesn't live there. But, I mean, they're in a stupor from just waking up, and somebody tells you something. You just run. Yeah, and you say, your parents, your mom said this. It's very scary. We have to go right now.

They go. He takes the three kids. They go in the van. He takes them about 50 miles away. It's near the – he goes beneath a bridge by the Altamaha River, which is between Appling and Bacon counties. Okay. Now, while this is happening, he's got these girls over here. Remember, there's more kids in this house.

Yeah, I was going to say. He left some. Yeah, he did. He, there's more kids in this house. Yeah, I was going to say, he left some. Yeah, he did. He left a couple of kids behind. They end up finding these kids later on, and we'll find out how. But he left them behind. Four-year-old Corey hid under a table. And 10-year-old Gabriel just didn't know what was going on because he was a baby.

So that got lucky there. 10-month-old. 10-month-old, sorry. 10-year-old, I didn't know. Jesus, what happened there? So back to he's taking the kids on the bridge. I just want to let people know what happened to those kids. They're like, did they die too?

Because that's what we're going to get. What happened to the four-year-old and the ten-month-old? So he takes the ten-year-old out of the van and takes her to a boat ramp and sexually assaults her. Oh, Jesus. And when I say sexually assaults her, I mean, as horrible as you can be. It's absolutely horrific. And you'll find out from the charges later what it is. But absolutely the fucking worst thing you can do. The worst. OK. He after he does this, he takes her back to the van and the poor kid is crying her eyes out and asks him.

He still has the shotgun, mind you, through all this, too. Asks him to please get rid of the shotgun because you're scaring everybody with the shotgun. So he tosses it into the river. He tosses the shotgun into the river. He then leaves the girls in December in the middle of the night on the side of a farm road in the middle of nowhere. Leaves three little girls out there and drives off. You know where he goes? Back to his mom's house.

What? Just back to his mom's house. He left them standing on the side of the road. Left them on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night in December. Even in Georgia, it's chilly. You know what I mean? It's December 3rd, the night of December 3rd.

It's not pleasant outside. No, it's cold. it's December 3rd, the night of December 3rd. It's not pleasant outside. No, it's cold. So these poor girls are found walking along a rural Bacon County road by a farmer at 6 o'clock in the morning.

Oh my God, five hours later. And they're in their nightclothes and shit, these poor kids. It's insane, right? So it's probably, we'll say, it's probably three hours they were out there, which is nuts. The girls tell the farmer that they were kidnapped from their house. It's in Tombs County. They tell them the whole deal.

They kind of know what they're doing here. They tell them that they were kidnapped by a man named Scott Taylor because that's what they know him as. That's what he's been using as his name. He tells them all about that. The police get with them and figure out that Scott Taylor is actually Heidler and where they live. Now, the police go to the house, go to their house down in Santa Claus to figure out what happened. It's pitch dark inside the house. They knock on the door.

They bang. Nobody comes, so they don't know what's going on. So they thought they should go inside and investigate the police, so they do. There's a four-year-old in there that's been with his dead parents and dead siblings for hours. Unbelievable. They switch on lights even using flashlights to not disturb fingerprints, not do that. I mean, they went very cautiously through this. They had guns out, obviously.

Then they reach the master bedroom and they see it. And they see them sprawled out on the bed. They're drenched in blood. They're covered in, I mean, shotgun blasts. I mean, think about it. Down the hall, they find Jessica. They find Jessica. They find in her nightgown

stretched out covered and you know just a huge hole and lots of blood and just horrible shit and they knew they could tell it was real close range uh man they find brian terrible man they find brian he's sleeping he was he had he's this is hard he's sleeping with his teddy bear they find him i mean this is as horrible as it fucking gets this piece of shit asshole the deputies actually need a minute to like get their shit together like these are cops that actually have to go okay yeah let's back up for a second here season vets that like that their stomachs turn at a scene but this is yeah this is way worse this is the shit nightmares are made up yeah so they're searching to make sure there's no perpetrator here yeah this is what this is what people are have nightmares about and find, huddling in the closet,

they find Corey and Gabe, the two, the four-year-old and the 10-month-old. They take the kids out, obviously, without trying to disturb anything. Avert their eyes. They don't want to disturb the crime scene. They've seen enough, too. They were blood-spattered and everything else.

It's horrible. And he, by the way, too, he didn't steal anything from them. He just did this and left. He just did this and left. The nine-year-old tells police that Scott sexually assaulted her in the van. And this was also corroborated by, down at the boat ramp. Also, this is corroborated by evidence of the physical trauma and guess what? DNA on that. So we got him on DNA. The eight-year-old says that she witnessed the, she could see it out the window what was going on. They pick him out out of a photo lineup. So now he's got that.

They lift a fingerprint from the window of their house. Matches Scott. DNA taken from saliva on a cigarette butt found in the floor of the house. Also, Scott's DNA. This guy is just leaving a fucking trail everywhere. Nice job, asshole. So, you know what he did after he dropped these girls off and killed their family and raped them and everything else?

He went to his mom's house to play video games with his brother and hang out, take a nap. What? Yeah. He asked his brother while they were hanging out there, he asked him if he'd ever killed anybody. His brother said no, and Heidler said that killing quote gives you a rush makes you want to go out and kill more people wowza so he's not feeling bad about this this is no fucking remorse here no why he let those little girls go i'll never have any idea all i can think of is that he was high and was coming down yeah and was like starting to figure out that this is probably

shouldn't kill three little girls it's's only going to make it worse. Exactly. So there's a manhunt for him, obviously. They know they're looking for him. They look everywhere. They go to his mom's house, obviously. That's the first place you're going to go. They said they got to his mom's house. They said behind the house was a street where there was the van that was stolen.

So that's a good sign right there. He walks out the door, Scott, walks out the front door as the police pulled up to the front of the house. The cops said they made eye contact, and he turned around and ran back in the house. Oh, boy. They said they radioed for backup, ran to the back of the house to prevent him from escaping. At that point, his brother came out.

Jerry's brother, or Scott's brother came out. Jerry's his real name. Right. Scott's brother comes out, and he's like, that's just me here. I don't know what you're talking about. The guy you saw was me. We just saw your brother, bro. Yeah. No, no, no. That was me. I don't know what you're talking about. The guy you saw was me. We just saw your brother, bro. Yeah, no, no, that was me. I don't know what you're talking about. We saw a scumbag. Send him out.

No, you didn't. You saw me coming out because I'm the only one here. Send the scumbag out. But no, this is me. I'm not a scumbag. So people come. Backups comes. They search the whole house. They find him. This is great too. They find this piece of shit huddled in a crawl space below the house.

He's like, I'll hide under the house. That'll do it. Like a John Wayne Gacy murder victim. So he comes. He doesn't. And he won't come out, too. That's the other thing. They had to draw their guns and drag him out.

Wow. Mm hmm. A coward to the end. Coward to the end. That's what I mean. He didn't even he wasn't even like, all right, you got me. Right. His brother was also arrested for obstructing justice.

And yeah, so just like, hey, dickhead, you tried for a minute and it's not okay. Hey, dummy, your brother's a horrible person and you just tried to cover for him. Absolutely. So they arrest him. He confesses pretty much immediately. Just sings. Just lets it all out. He remembered continuously pulling the trigger.

He says he even recalls having to reload and the kick of the shotgun hurt his shoulder and the blast hurt his ears. Yeah, he said he didn't even realize that he shot Bryant, the eight-year-old. He said, I was in a trance-like dream state and I was only awakened out of it, not by a shotgun blast, but when Jessica yelled at him. That woke him up. But it woke him up to just make him shoot her and then her parents, too. So I don't know, dream or not, he's still shooting people. He says, quote, I just went from room to room shooting. That's what he said.

Quote, I went berserk. That's what he said. What a terrible thing to say. Yeah, he admits to ushering the kids out in the stolen van. He tells officers that he remembers driving to the bridge, the river there. Takes the eight-year-old. He remembers sexually assaulting her. He admits to all of that.

The whole deal. He admits to everything. He admits that he threw the gun into the river. The cop interviewing said at times he laughed or, you know, cried, did stuff like that, but basically was unaffected by everything he did. The cop said, quote, he understood what he was saying. We had a range of emotions, but the gravity of what he'd done, he was indifferent to that. That's it. His mother visits him the next day. Latrell Mosley comes in. She said,

quote, Scott just sat there, real pale, not looking at me. He didn't look like himself. He said, quote, Mama, I just got a minute to say something. And the police told him, Scott, tell your mama about it. Because this is the South. He said, quote, Mama, I killed Kim. That's what he said. Didn't say kill Jessica. Didn't uh he said quote mama i killed kim that's what he said didn't say

kill jessica didn't say he raped a kid and killed four other people just said he killed kim which is tip of the iceberg hey mama i killed kim and it gets worse yeah that's like you know tom brady going hey mom i got a football helmet you also have a shitload of rings and all this is not just a helmet an amazing wife and kids and an amazing life and go fuck yourself the mom said no you didn't and he said yes i did and that was it uh the mother said quote he's just not a killer if he killed anyone it would have been his stepfather that was that's what he said yeah it's somebody projecting right there she's like i can think of somebody that deserves it but he didn't kill them uh marie spivey his on and off again girlfriend there said quote scott always told me he he the

daniels were his friends. He said he liked them a lot. He always bragged on them. He said they were like family to him. He adored them people. Yeah. I'm quoting exactly because they all talk like this. It's great.

Yeah. She also said that he was depressed all week about the baby's death. She said, quote, he loves kids. He loves my sisters and he always took care of them. He's always been there for Joshua. He sure loves kids. He loves my sisters, and he always took care of them. He's always been there for Joshua. He sure loves kids. I don't want to hear shit about this guy's love of kids after he killed two of them and raped another one. Horribly.

Fuck you. Think about those poor foster kids. They come from shit. They come from a shit environment. They do all this. They now come to a nice family that cares for them, loves for them. In the town of Santa Claus, the city that loves children. Imagine if you're driving into town, you've had a shit life and all this.

Now, no, you're going to be great at our house and you pull in. Santa Claus, the city that loves children. There's presents everywhere. This is amazing. They must have been so happy. This guy just ruins everything. What a complete and utter piece of shit. The day the stillborn baby was born, she said he was writing all sorts of weird, like, religious

poems and shit that were kind of worrying her because they were super weird. The sheriff said the next day they interviewed the sheriff about it and they said, you know, after the confession, what happened, blah, blah, blah. He said, quote, he had no remorse. He slept like a baby last night. And that's, if you've, like I've mentioned a hundred

times, the homicide, David Simon, Homicide Life on the Killing Streets book there. They talk about that a lot. That's an actual thing. It's becoming cliche now. But they actually will put a suspect in the room and let him sit there. They like to let him stew anyway and let him get scared, let him get worked up. But they want to see what they do.

Yeah. Because if he goes to sleep, that's your guy. They all say that. Because a man who's caught goes to sleep. Because they're like, I'm caught. They go to sleep. sleep now i can rest an innocent man won't sit still no an innocent man paces they look out the window they knock they go why the fuck am i here guilty man goes can we stop it in and out on the way to the police exactly peterson did that's exactly right no i'm dead serious that's what happened so asleep so that's a really good way of telling the prosecutors

say they are going to go for the death penalty on this one, obviously. Here's the thing, though. If you did that or if you didn't do that and you're arrested for that, there is no way. In-N-Out is one of my favorite things in the world. In-N-Out Burger and Dairy Queen cheeseburgers are my favorite things. Fuck, I hate those In-N-Out french fries. They're terrible. They're so good.

Little shoestring fucking soggy gross things. Like seven of them and dip them in ketchup. We're all soggy. You need seven to hold any ketchup because they'll just sog. gross things. Like seven of them and dip them in ketchup? We're all soggy. You need seven to hold any ketchup because they'll just sog. Awful. The thing is, if I'm accused of what this man's accused of, there's no way I could even... They're my favorite

things and I can't touch them. There's no way I'm putting that in my hole. No way. This is ridiculous. What a terrible, terrible thing. And he's sleeping. He's sleeping. Doesn't care. Absolutely not. They are going to present evidence of his mental health issues. They said the defense attorneys obviously say his lawyer, this Garrett guy, Mike Garrett, says, quote, he's physically sick and mentally disturbed. No shit.

The defense immediately filed for a change of venue, which is probably, you know, and the district attorney agreed with that because it's... Because we love kids here. Well, on appeal, that's not going to, they're not going to hold that because it's highly publicized. The town of Santa Claus is going to butcher a family in December. This is terrible. There was a string of death penalty cases in Georgia that were overturned because they were tried in the venue where it happened,

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WebAndWriter.com. So during this whole thing, they make a statement that says, the prosecutor says, quote, the 10th victim was Santa Claus. They're now famous for murder. That's what they said. Because there's nine people in the family victimized, and then the 10th is the town of Santa Claus. Way to make it about yourself, you dicks.

I love that they said the 10th victim was Santa Claus, which makes it sound like Santa Claus was raped in a van. Horrible. His big fat ass was raped in a van. And this is terrible. But the point is, don't make it about yourself. The fucking 10 victims, there's nine. And they're all in that family.

Stop making it about anybody else. It's not the town. But it did ruin the fucking town, too. Because then the population went down. How much since then? That's exactly right after this happened. So that's just destroyed the town. Let's be honest here.

The defense attorney. If something like that happens in town, I kind of want to move there because what are the chances that shit's happening again? It actually happened about three years ago in this town. An equally bad one. Actually. Yeah. I had to pick which one, but I picked this one because it's worse. I feel like this is worse.

Fuck my whole argument. I feel like this is fucking worse. Yeah, it happened this is worse. Fuck my whole argument. I feel like this is fucking worse. Yeah, it happened again, actually. That's what's crazy. All right, go on. So the defense attorney, again, Michael Garrett, said that the evidence against his client is, quote, overwhelming. Yeah. But he just has to convince people that he's mentally ill so he doesn't get killed.

They move it to near Athens, about 130 miles away, near Athens, Georgia, the trial. Yeah. December 9th, 97, they have funeral services for all of the victims of this. The indignity of a nine-year-old. Yeah. Yeah, you could bury that right along with it. Yeah, terrible there. Friends of his and people that know him are coming out, like Sylvia Boatwright, his old foster mom, said, quote,

I loved him very much. I still do. I would help him if I could. I pray that the Lord will reach down and touch him. I pray that the Lord will reach down and fucking pluck out his eyeball and replace it with his nutsack. That's what I fucking hope. I pray that the Lord slams a knife through the ceiling of his prison cell and stabs him

in the fucking face. So here's the thing. Like, being religious, I love that they're so forgiving, but this is overly forgiving. This is taking it to an unbelievable, beyond level. This isn't natural. No. This is some shit you have to program yourself. Yeah, it's a little silly.

You can't forgive this shit. Yeah. Her daughter, though, who actually was young. She's older than him, but her daughter didn't say that at all. Her daughter said about him, quote, he was mean as all get out. When they would come over to my house, I was proud to see the day they left. I was afraid he would hurt my mama and him just a child. I feel like such a dick for correcting your grammar at the beginning of this.

Oh, I don't give a shit after this. After this. You want to hear some English language butchers, we're going to get into this. You want to hear some English language butchers, we're going to get into this. So he's awaiting trial. Tuesday, July 6, 1999, Scotty, along with nine other prisoners, escape from the jail. They escape from the goddamn jail. Can you believe that shit?

Yeah, they escape from him. Obviously, they consider him a real threat. A little bit. After he escapes, they search his cell and find 75 homemade weapons he had made from unscrewing wire cages and all that sort of thing, smoke and fire alarm wire cages where he made all these weapons. And they said that he routinely threatened to kill jailers and other inmates. Everybody just kind of stayed away from him. 75 weapons. He had an arsenal of prison shanks.

That's amazing. Constantly wanted to threaten people. And only a few hours he's captured, About 12 hours later, a few miles away. He's still wearing red boxer shorts and the white T-shirt he had on when he escaped from his cell. What an asshole. Terrible. They found him walking along. He's dressed like Santa Claus.

Yeah, he's dressed. That's exactly right. White T-shirt, heavy beard, red sack. They put out an APB for that guy. Unbelievable. They arrested half the town. Half the town was arrested. That is hilarious.

Yeah, he said he put up no resistance. They said that after being read his rights, he said he was tired of running. The sheriff that got him said it was quite obvious he made no attempt to camouflage himself. He just said he was walking down the road like, all right, fuck it. August 27th. And sorry, this is running a little long because we did not have a crime in sports this week. So I said, I'm going to dig into a deeper case. So let's do that.

Jury selection begins for all of this on August 27th. He is charged with, let's go down the list of charges, shall we? Four counts of malice murder, which is aggravated. That's your death penalty murder. Kidnapping with bodily injury. Two counts of kidnapping. Aggravated sodomy. Of kidnapping. Aggravated sodomy. Of course.

Aggravated sodomy. I knew that was coming. That is as bad as it sounds. That is exactly what that is. Aggravated child molestation. Child molestation and burglary. That is a fucking list of charges there. The count eight of that, the aggravated sodomy part of it, that is for anal sodomy on a victim

under the age of 10 with force and against her will. That is the definition legally of that. I'm not telling you that for that. So that is why that's there. That's raping a child. That's raping a child. This is what I mean. We're not pro-death penalty.

No. I'm not saying the state should kill this guy. But I'm saying I hope fucking somebody does. Anyway, where's that knife through the ceiling? I don't give a shit. Let that poor girl. Drag him behind a truck. I don't give a shit. Let that poor girl. Drag him behind a truck. I don't care.

Get to an age and let her train up. Let her box. You know what? And then go beat the living shit out of that man while he sits in a chair. I bet there's tons of disenfranchised Klansmen down there who are like, they're pieces of shit and they want to lynch somebody. Let them lynch. Just give them this guy.

Let them form a lynch mob. This guy's a perfect candidate. He's white, but who gives a fuck? Give it to him. I don't care. I don't want him killing anybody, but this guy, yes. Kill that guy. Practice on him and then don't do it to anybody else.

And the other part is that this- Stay away from the black people, please. There's no turning this shit over. No. He's got cigarette butts in the house with his DNA on it. His DNA is on the child. Yeah. Fuck him.

Kids identified him. He admitted to it. Everything in the world, he did it. There's DNA is on the child. Fuck him. Kids identified him. He admitted to it. Everything in the world, he did it. There's no question in the world. Murder is an offense. DNA, eyewitness, and confession. One, two, three. Fucking kill this guy. I'm even throwing out the four murders. I'm throwing out the four murders in the house.

I'll grab you by your ankles and beat him to death with you. I don't give a shit anymore. Sorry to interrupt you. I'm so fucking angry right now. For to interrupt you. I'm just, I'm so fucking angry right now. For the four murders, I'm even throwing that out as like probable cause to murder this man because that, what he did to her, there's no, there's no redeeming. Destroyed her life. Forever. Forever.

Forever. And not just her, the two kids in the van that watched that shit. Oh yeah, not to mention their whole family's dead too on top of that. So that's going to, you know, wow. The worst possible ways of death. I wish them on him. Yeah. Oh So that's going to, you know, wow. The worst possible ways of death, I wish them on him. Yeah. For sure.

That's the truth. They, during the opening statements, they try to present him as crazy. You know, they're saying he's mentally ill. A mother, a young mother testified that she'd hired Scott to babysit her three children in exchange for a room in her home. She said he was good with the children and she couldn't have managed without his help. Don't care. She described him as a couch potato who seldom went anywhere, blah, blah, blah.

She also said for as for his mental level, she said he was like a teenager in a 20 year old body. She said, quote, I've seen him go out looking for jobs and no one would hire him. I can't believe this is happening. Well, yeah, I can imagine he probably wasn't very well adjusted. Maybe a hiring shift manager actually foresaw this shit in the eyes, in the reflection of him when he asked him, tell me about a situation

that you had to overcome and make a positive outcome. I think the church lady was right about the demons. I think you're not wrong. At least not letting her youngins around him. I wouldn't let my youngins around him either. No. Also, more people testified about Scott's tough life and his refusal to bow down to authority, the whole deal.

Also, tons of neighbors testified about what great people the Daniels were on Dasher Street. One neighbor said, quote, they were good, God-fearing people. They were a storybook family. They took children nobody else wanted and gave them a decent home. Jesus Christ. The court admits into evidence also five photographs of the victims taken at the crime scene. Later on, he will, of course, say that that was inflammatory as in every single one of these.

They also show the jury a videotape of the crime scene, which was devastating. I'm sure. Imagine everyone in court going through a crime scene where you see a dead eight year old child and 12 people with their hands over their mouths. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It's horrible. They were showing everything, all the, you know, there was blood everywhere and shell casings and horrible. So he's, of course, going to say that that was, you know, part of it.

Too much. Yeah. You can't show that to people. Only I can see that. Yeah, only me. What the hell, man? So, yeah, he's arguing too he's saying he's trying to argue the the the sodomy charge saying that uh it's unbelievable he's saying that the aggravated part of it makes

it seem violent when it when it's it is violent that's my point he's trying to say that and there they say no no actually it just means that they they're under 16, so they're incapable of giving consent. That's the fucking point. Here's the other part. It wasn't violent. It sure in the fuck wasn't loving. No. She's nine.

There's no, you can't do anything to her anyway. Unbelievable. I don't care if it was violent or not. Unbelievable. And this is from court documents, what I'm going to read here. So these words are not me. These are the court documents. what I'm going to read here. So these words are not me. These are the court documents.

But all three court-appointed mental health experts testified that Heidler was not mentally retarded and that he had an IQ in the low average range. There was no evidence presented to the contrary. And in closing, this is the defense's closing statement here. Quote, this is a lawyer. I love that a doctor had to actually verbalize those words. He's not mentally retarded. And a man who went to law school. Let's see here. Quote, in any event, there's no evidence of mental retardation in this case at all. That's the point I wanted to make. And so you would not have anything to consider regarding mental retardation. So we're not going to suggest to you that it is in order to get our client off or anything like that that the evidence is that he has subnormal intelligence and that the evidence of all three mental health

professionals is subnormal intelligence but not mentally retarded all three said not mentally retarded so i hope that it maybe it'll make your deliberations a little bit easier um so you could just not retarded and then he also said quote it would be an insult to tell you that he didn't do it guilty but mentally ill doesn't give him an escape hatch. Or like, just say he's crazy. That's all we want out of this. Wow. That was awesome.

I love that they're debating mental retardation. Unbelievable, right? They presented no witnesses or evidence as to the fact that he didn't do it. They concentrated, like I said, on trying to get him uh thought of as crazy and save him from the electric chair which is what they're going for here wow uh yeah uh but uh on september 3rd 1999 after 20 minutes of deliberation jury found him guilty of every goddamn charge that they put up in front of that was just them trying to stop from puking after look everybody get it out and then we'll go in there and just say it.

Yeah. No, it's true. And then he says the next day is the sentencing phase. They tried to get sympathy for him. They said, quote, this is what his lawyer said, quote, about 350 years ago, our ancestors would know what to do about Scotty Heidler. They'd say he's possessed by the devil. Let's burn him. It's a supreme irony here that we're in 1999 at the end of the third millennium and we still have the same mentality.

The same mentally ill person. You're asking us to burn him. Literally. Have we not progressed as a civilization farther than that? Cut his head off then. I don't give a shit. Just kill this asshole. Somebody. I don't give a fuck who. How do you recommend that we get rid of him?

Jesus Christ. Yeah, he's basically saying, I know you want to kill him. I want to kill him, too. Right. But we can't light him on fire. Let's be cool about this whole thing. Yeah, we can. Yeah. At this, during the penalty phase, his mother, Scott's mother, sister, junior high school

teacher, foster mother, psychologist, all these people testified in his behalf. Yeah. Everything like that. Penalty phase, though, the jury took less than two hours to come back and say, kill this asshole, please. I beg you, put him in the electric chair and kill him. That's what they want. I hope they use a solar panel.

Please. Yeah, let's keep it environmentally friendly. I doubt it down there. They'll just load coal right in the back of it. McMillan here, that's the judge, gave him the maximum sentence on all the charges, saying he did not deserve mercy when he showed no mercy to the Daniels family. I happen to agree with him here. He set his execution date for between October 1st and October 8th, which is like the next

month. But there's an automatic appeal and that doesn't, that goes, because while that's going on. Put a weak window. Yeah. So that's just there. Yeah. When we have time. We don't know when we're going to have time to kill this asshole.

Like the cable company. Yeah. there yeah when we have time we don't know when we're gonna have time to kill this asshole like the cable company yeah he said that the judge also expressed sorrow for the tiny town of santa claus uh which he actually said which must celebrate christmas and remember heidler in the same month for years to come oh boy oh gee poor christmas thoughtful yeah maybe that's why they left they're like i'm not feeling festive anymore really um yeah so he is sentenced to death obviously that is obviously going to happen here. Earned, for sure. Earned, yeah, definitely.

He files all of his appeals. Like I said, he says that they shouldn't have introduced the photographic evidence. They shouldn't have introduced videotape evidence. All that sort of shit. He's basically just trying anything at all. It's the exact same arguments that we always have in these, and it doesn't get him anywhere. Nowhere at all. They end up sentencing him in addition to the life sentencing. He also, or in addition

to the death penalty, he also has life imprisonment for kidnapping of bodily injury, 20 years each for the kidnapping, life imprisonment for aggravated sodomy, 30 years for aggravated child molestation, 20 years for child molestation, and 20 years for burglary, all to be served consecutively.

That was a bad night. So, yeah, if they don't kill him and he lives to be 450, he'll get out someday, maybe. So, yeah, he had another appeal in 2000. They had a big deal, and they upheld the penalty from some of their friends. People loved them. Here is a member of their church, said, quote, Kim was just the most compassionate person. She took in everything. Adults having bad time, kids, dogs, cats, anybody.

She said she gave her life to God and got her kids back when originally when she got her kids back. She also said, quote, she gave them young and everything they needed. She just wanted them to have what she never had, somewhere to be safe. Which is, yeah, obviously that's nice. 2000 was his big appeal that got rejected by the Georgia Supreme Court. He filed another for habeas relief in

2011, and that went nowhere. He's still not dead yet. He's still sitting there. But he's still under the death penalty. He's still on death row. That's a terrible place to be. They have not commuted his sentence. I assume he'll probably get lethal injection at this point instead of the electric chair,

which, like I said, I don't care. I don't care. Someone kill him. I don't care if it's a Clorox pizza. I don't give a shit. I don't care if the guy in the cell next door stabs him in the face. That's great. Good.

Dead. Whatever. Just kill him. Somebody stab this guy, please. I plead to all of you in this jail. Somebody stab this asshole. Good Lord. That's all of you in this jail. Somebody stab this asshole. Good Lord. That's not a legal thing. This is all satire.

But open his throat. But somebody just... Exactly. Danny, Kim, Jessica, and Bryant are all buried together at the Lion City Cemetery, and the other kids are trying to cope with it and spread out. That is a horrible story about a town with a ridiculous name and a ridiculous theme.

I'd like to find out what happened to those girls and the boys in the house. How are they doing now? How are they coping? Well, they got put right back in the foster system, so probably not well. I mean, what are the odds? How many times out of 100 do you get these people in a foster system? And there's five kids there. The odds that one of them is doing horrible drugs is probably high some of these

people are saints and some of them need a check every month and that's what it is so these kids are really coping i do too man but this yeah this is horrible this was horrible we're not happy with these with this asshole no uh sorry you had to hear about horrible things happening to children i know you guys get upset about that but don't't worry. No dogs got hurt, so we're all good there. That's a concern people have. Fido got up with his tail. Yeah, that's fine. No Fido involved in this at all. But yeah, if you liked our telling of that story,

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