Small Town Murder - #290 - Missing Heads & Water Beds - Wellington, Kansas

Episode Date: June 16, 2022

This week, in Wellington, Kansas, a night of hard drinking, and cruising the town is exactly the remedy for small town boredom for a group of teenage girls. Hanging out with friends, and driving from spot to spot. But it takes an adult to help them achieve all of this fun, and they find the right guy, in a local middle aged dirtbag, with a criminal record, and no problem with buying teenagers grain alcohol. While some of kids have a hangover, the next day, one of them ends up on a rural farm, without a head!! This one is just gets stranger & stranger!!Along the way, we find out that you'd better be into wheat, if you live in Kansas, that no one should be okay with a group of teens, hanging out with the neighborhood dirtbag, and that you should at least wait until someone is dead, before you decapitate them!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What goes on there? Not much is the answer. We're going to Wellington, Kansas. Oh, they tried to highfalutin this place. Absolutely. So Kansas, again, if you're not from the United States, that would be where Dorothy is from in The Wizard of Oz. So that's, yeah, there you go. She wanted to flee even to a strange world.

Just get out of here. She had to make this a flat something in England. Is that what that's about? The Wellington shit? Well, we'll find about the wellington it's oh well we'll find out yeah it's definitely named after an english source here don't worry it's named after the the beef dish is what it's named after not the actual namesake of the beef dish but just the beef dish it's in south central kansas uh about about 40 minutes to wichita and uh two and a half hours to topeka so i mean this is when you're thinking well how far are we from topeka you're in the

middle of nowhere that's what that means and you're looking forward to stopping topeka well we're gonna have to stop there i guess maybe they'll have restaurants three fucking hours we can pee in tope, kids. Shut up. You turned down my Gatorade bottle. I don't want to hear you bitching. So it's about four and a half hours to Oakley, Kansas, which was our last Kansas episode. Episode 221, way back there, over 50 episodes ago. That episode was called Hitchhikers, Drifters, and Necrophiliacs. So maybe revisit that one because that sounds insane and fun.

Gross. And gross. This is in Sumner County, area code 620, much like Arizona, 602, but this is 620. Motto here, wheat capital of the world. Is that right? Wheat capital. Wait, wheat. Wheat.

Wheat. Not the weed capital. Wheat capital of the world. That sounds boring. That's right. Or this is where all your allergies come from here. Everyone out there is gluten intolerant or whatever the shit. We're making it all here.

This is who did it. So the history of this town. Their other motto is fuck Ukraine because that's, I guess, their competitor. I suppose. Ukraine makes a bunch of wheat, right? Well, they don't make it, really. They grow it. But a lot of people, yeah.

Produce the grain. We want wheat. We can't. I'm sorry. It won't work in the dish. I can't sew it faster. It just says nothing's happening. We don't know what to do. We have dirt outside. Plenty of it. I don't work in the dish. I can't sew any faster. It just says nothing's happening. We don't know what to do.

We have dirt outside, plenty of it. I don't know if we have dirt! Screaming, I don't know. I have no other ideas. So, no, this place here, it was platted in 1871, named after the Duke of Wellington. Really? What possible relation could the Duke of Wellington have to the middle of nowhere kansas i i'd love to know that what what an honor what why would he care about that why would they care

about him it goes both ways you know some flat shit with wheat growing in it is what an honor oh shit it was designated the sumner county seat in 1872 as we know i'm sure someone died over that there was people burned each other out or something cattle herders would come up the chisholm trail and that helped build the early towns economy cattle herders coming up here in 1892 now the town's only been up for 20 years. All right. Yeah. But it's going well. There's 12000 people here at this point in time. It's steadily growing. There's you know, they have like a big town going on here, a big town. And then and they don't know because at the time they couldn't measure. But from the damage it did, they've estimated an F4 tornado came through at that point. damage it did they've estimated an f4 tornado came through at that point that's not a new phenomenon it's not like you know that's tornadoes didn't start coming when people filled the place up it's oh they were always there it's literally the plot of the movie it's the that's the main plot there they are my friend um this destroyed a hundred homes a shitload of businesses, killed 12 townspeople, did extensive damage to a 26-block area.

So just, I mean, decimated the whole town, basically. Jesus. Ripped it apart. A bunch of people were hurt as well. And the tornado completely stopped any growth momentum that it had. Everyone was like, that was terrifying. What the hell are we doing here? Did y'all see that?

I saw it. Yeah. They fled back east, scared shitless, or went. There's an ocean that way, too, when they just kept going because that was frightening. Also, whoever was left over, if there wasn't enough reason to leave a few years later a huge fire destroyed pretty much the rest of the town so oh my god and it burned down i would say you know somebody's communicating something to you guys i don't think we should live here what do you think everybody i think something's gone awry they're uh apparently it's so funny if you look this town up on

wikipedia they always have like famous people that that were born here or lived there for 20 years. The only incident of a famous person here is David Carradine, the actor, lived in Wellington for about a year in the 80s while filming a movie called Americana that I've never heard of. So it doesn't seem like it's worth it. How many times did he choke himself and jerk off here oh my god him and his brother was here too maybe he had his brother do it for him that's how i saved his life for a couple of years him his brother and grizzly adams all hung out in town together for a year what a weird guy bizarre yeah a strange thing uh reviews of this town my favorite part obviously i love people people's just fucking mediocre little gripes that they have about something it's so

funny dude this is my particular issue so fuck this town i'm always like yes i agree sir david keratin's jizz is still all over the place everywhere and they make it a like that's a landmark no four stars safety is not an issue okay uh you have to be smart but our community is safe and watches out for one another what the fuck does that mean have to be smart sounds like there's like it sounds like there's sinkholes everywhere you gotta look where you're going but um well let's find out. Keep on your toes. Maybe more people will make it clearer.

We'll find out here. Three stars. Wellington is a great community for someone who's looking for a quiet, reserved life in a small town. The town's population is dominated mainly by elderly and middle-aged people. If you are younger, Wellington is most likely not the place for you. I've had about the average experience living as a teenager in this town. There's not much to do in the summer except go to the pool unless you go to a surrounding town. The town has a bit of an issue with druggies who will just roam the streets.

I pictured Night of the Living Dead. Just arms out. I see that American Horror Story vampire druggie. That's fine, too. But either way, just going dope. Like 50s dope fiends, dope. Shaking their head really, really fast. This is amazing, though.

A bit of an issue with druggies who will just roam the streets, but they're typically not dangerous unless bothered. No. You say that about a woodland animal. They're not dangerous unless bothered. That's what about a woodland animal they're not dangerous unless bothered that's what they say about javelina in arizona yeah they're not dangerous unless bothered it's the same thing it's a rattlesnake it'll push on it's scared too that's amazing the crime rate is low we'll tell you about that chief slow down here you don't know what you're talking about but only a few incidents here and there. There's a rec center that offers great services for children in the summer.

The town is very slow moving. Overall, if I were to move away from this area, I would only move back if I was retiring. Okay. There you go. Now, these are all short and hilarious. Three stars. The only thing we can really do is fish. There isn't a whole lot of other outdoor activities that you can do here.

That's it. Two stars. Qu stars quote i do not like this town like you i that's that's a headline i mean you're not marrying the lead i do not like this town let me tell you why let's hear it i do not like this town i can't wait to move there isn't much to do here. I think the next one's going to rhyme with move, I think. Right? Unless it's a haiku. I was just going to say it could be a haiku. We don't know.

We'll find out. On the edge of my seat. There is a small selection of jobs here, and it is hard to get a job. That sounds like the way you'd write a haiku to make sure the syllables line up. Like, weird. Two stars. Here we go. Winter storms can cause ice issues. Spring storms bring tornadoes and summer is usually drought.

Thanks. I appreciate you giving us the general overview of the weather. Ice in the winter. Yeah. In the summer. Tornadoes in the spring. That's Kansas. Thanks.

We got that. It's also all the states of hot in the summer, tornadoes in the spring. That's Kansas. Thanks. We got that. That's also all the states of water in those seasons. We know. We understand. These are great here coming up. One star. This place is the worst of the worst. Okay.

Full of druggies or people who are out to scam you. Stay away if you can. Scam you? Scam you. They're going to scam you. Stay away if you can. Scam you? Scam you. They're going to scam you. Stay away if you can. They've had a particular experience, I feel like. They've been scammed by like-

They got their shoes shined on a street corner at 2 a.m. and it was just Vaseline. The aluminum siding guy fucked them over and told them it was like free if they were a model home, but then he had to pay for shipping and handling. It was a whole deal. Scammers! One star, quote, a model home but then there was he had to pay for shipping and handling it was a whole deal scammers one star quote worse than terrible this is great quote these people are fantastic good place to be if you are homeless because you will feel right at home here what what does that mean i don't want

to be homeless anywhere where there's tornadoes first of all i don't want to be homeless anywhere where there's tornadoes, first of all. I don't want to be just sucked into the atmosphere while I'm sleeping. I didn't even know it was coming because I don't have a TV to tell me about it or anything. I don't want that happening. Okay. Quote, there is nothing to do here, and everyone knows there is nothing to do. You will think you are living in a nightmare. Wow.

Where did the town touch you? Where did Wellington touch you, sir? Jesus Christ. Anyway, population of this town, 7,550 people. So way less than there was when the first tornado came through and drove everybody out. A few more females and males about normal. Median age is right about the national average here, 38. There are way more old people. The kid wasn't males about normal. Median age is right about the national average here, 38. There are way more old people.

The kid wasn't lying about that. More elderly people, more people over 75, basically, over that. 85 over is a lot. It's high. People in this town married is just about the national average. It's 53%, so close to that. the national average it's 53 so close to that uh race of this town 83.1 white 1.9 black 0.3 asian oh that is like one family restaurant and they're like incredibly low that's it um what else do we have here yeah three five nine point five percent hispanic uh religion it's very

religious here though 61.2 percent are religious which is higher than the 50 50, it's very religious here, though. 61.2% are religious, which is higher than the 50-50. And it's spread around pretty equal. Other Christian faith, you got Catholics and Baptists, Methodists are everywhere. It's all mixed in there. You know what it isn't, though, is Jewish. 0.0% Jewish. It's one thing it certainly isn't. We got that. The county, Sumner County, last presidential election, pretty conservative here. 24% voted Democrat, 74% Republican, 2.1% Independent. The median household income here is a little lower than the national average. It's usually about $54,000 right now. Here it's $43,000 right now. Here, it's $43,500 for the median household income. Cost of living is low, though. That's the thing. $100,000 is average, regular. Here, it's a $73,000. Housing, though, is a $28,000 out of $100,000.

Median home cost here, Jimmy, $67,600's ridiculous that's uh most trucks cost more than that that most like a new dodge a new dodge ram will cost you more than that you know what i'm saying way more that is great not that it should cost that much but a house should cost more than a car is what we're getting at i mean the the new the new like diesel uh one ton single tires are like $90,000. That's crazy. Jesus Christ. So if we've convinced you, damn it, you know what? You're going to move to a nice sturdy building and you like laying in bathtubs for long periods of time and going in storm cellars and shit like that.

We have for you the Wellington, Kansas real estate report. kansas real estate report all right your average two-bedroom rental here is 695 dollars which is half the national average pretty much that's crazy um here is a three-bedroom one bath 1300 or one and a half bath 1309 square foot house So here is kind of your average starter family home. You've got a couple of kids. This particular one is kind of a shitbox, but the size and everything. It's a ranch house. There's some rooms that look like possibly some hoarding has happened in there. Really?

Yeah, maybe A&E has been through there once in a while. There is a washing machine in the living room, or a washing machine in the living room. What? I don't know if that's just, I don't feel like going any further than that or what. Turn the game up. Spin cycle started.

Come on, I can't hear shit. I feel like it's been there a while, though, because there's a box of Special K cereal on it, and I haven't seen that in a while. When's the last time you saw a box? Do they sell that anymore? Is that around still? I'm more worried about James.

That water's got to come out of the washer. How do you get water? They got water and sewer hookups in the living room? I guess. I mean, maybe they just... How do you do it? Or not. We don't know.

Or it's just a table. Or it just comes in and out the window. Or they're just using it as a table. We don't know. To hold the special K. Yeah. We need somewhere for the damn cereal. Four-bedroom, three-bath, 3,151-square-foot house.

This is nice. It's a nice house. How much was that other house? We didn't talk about that. Oh, I'm sorry. $59,000. $59,000 for that dump. But I mean, I guess if you want to remodel it.

Four-bedroom, three-bath, 3, I mean, but I mean, it's, I guess if you want to remodel it, four-bedroom, three-bath, 3,151 square foot. It's a lot of wood. There's a lot of attention to detail inside. Carved wood, shit like that. It's very, it's nice. It's like a Tudor-style house. Not bad at all.

$195,000 for that. 3,000 square feet. Almost 3,200 square feet. That's wild. $3,000 for that. 3,000 square feet. Almost 3,200 square feet. Unbelievable. That's wild. And then finally, four bedroom, four bath, T-Ball for each and every peahole out there. 4,780 square feet. What?

That's a big one right there. That's a big house. It's ugly. It's a big, but it's, there's brick and stone. There's like eight different kinds of siding. It's one of those houses where whatever kind of siding has a spot in it. It's a big, giant, open concept house, but it's too open because it's just one enormous room. Does it feel like a bunch of people have owned it and added their little piece to it?

No, it doesn't. It feels like they built it at whatever time they built it at. They built it for every trend that was big at that exact moment. And now they've all kind of gone out. $499,000 for that, though. That's almost 5,000 square feet. Yeah, that's a big-ass house. Big-ass house. Things to do here. Oh, Jimmy, is there things to do?

Obviously. Why else would people be here unless there was amazing fun and entertainment? The Kansas Wheat Festival is going to be here, Jimmy. Oh, you bet yeah baby i'm telling you the kids all the kids my kids anyway they're being good just so they can go here all year long it's like well if you're not good you can't go to the kansas wheat festival fuck what santa thinks and it says from their website if you are ready for a little summer excitement mark your calendars for the 121st Wheat Festival in Kansas.

Wow, that's a long way of wheat here. It's held in July, so it's going to be hot and weedy. Jesus Christ. That's a lot, man. The Kansas Wheat Festival is a five-day event. There's contests and competitions for each day. Of course there is.

The parade's theme for 2021 was quote traveling through the decades oh man um anyway here is what's happening here the three gun cowpoke shootout's gonna happen what i assume that's like what they had at um what's the place in arizona the oh rawhide rawhide you remember they had like that the gun battle i assume that's what it is yeah yeah with cap guns and, and some guy falls out of a building. The Baker's Bonanza, the County Farm Bureau and Interim Healthcare of Wellington. That's who sponsors that. Bed races are happening.

Oh, those are great. Those are hilarious when people fall off beds onto the concrete. I do enjoy that. Heels on them. Yeah, that's very dangerous. Cornhole, just cornhole. You know what it is but yeah followed by the cow chip toss that gross that sounds way nicer than cornhole but is actually way more disgusting cornhole sounds like they're diddling each other cow chips sound nice but that's actually tried cow shit as opposed to just a nice bean bag.

That sounds like it's a salsa competition. The next one. Catch your breath for that, though, because you're going to need all your faculties for the Design a Bookmark contest. Oh, boy. Wow. That sounds terrific. Jesus. Edible book contest?

Edible book? I guess you make a book you can eat and he makes the best one. The hell are you people doing down there? A horseshoe tournament. Just old men. Yeah, throwing horseshoes. I'm sure. Hot dog eating contest.

That's disgusting. Perfect. Kids sidewalk chalking contest. And then close it all up with a lip sync contest oh what wow this is a fucking death at least at least there you don't have the ear piercing of the horrific singing of these people if you close your eyes you get to hear a nice song just turn your back bring your lawn chair turn your back to the stage and go i like this song this is fine it's not so bad this is all right it's top 40 but whatever i know this girls just want to have fun you don't have to watch some dipshit gyrate and pretend to

sing it up on stage uh so there's that and then finally the next thing we won't talk much about it but i just have to tell you it's there because it's hilarious the panhandle railroad museum because the panhandle of oklahoma south and a little bit west of this so the pan handle railroad museum wow it's pretty great that a square state does something panhandle isn't that so i was like there's no panhandle in kansas and i was like oh it's by oklahoma's panhandle that's right here so it's a pretty boring description you're going to look at a bunch of railroad shit. If you're interested in trains, it's probably pretty cool. But otherwise, you'd be bored to tears. Now, crime rate in this town.

Remember that kid said there was none. A few incidents here and there. Well, property crime almost double the national average. Druggies, babe. I don't know where he was before this, but a worse place, apparently. And then violent crime, murder,rape robbery, and of course assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is slightly below average.

That sounds like druggie behavior, as they quote-unquote druggie behavior. Everyone in this town calls them druggies. Those darn druggies, they're at it again. What do you call them? Do you say junkies? Depends on what kind of drugs they're on. If they're acting crazy, they're a crackhead.ies they're at it again what do you call them do you say junkies depends on what kind of drugs

they're on yeah if they're acting crazy they're a crackhead if they're if they're a dope fiend you see them with the lean and shit that's a that's a junkie like yeah you know you can tell what people are on yeah i like to be descriptive it's not out of respect for them it's just i like to be descriptive you know what i mean what do you say for methods do you call them tweakers they're tweakers right it's a tweaker, yeah. They can be confused with crackheads sometimes. That's the problem, though. Yeah, they can.

Then you have to figure out where you are at that point. Is the difference between a crackhead and a tweaker open source? Is that what that is? It's open source, and I think it's also there's a little bit more perseverance to the tweaker for some reason. The tweaker, you'll see them when they look like they should be dead, and they'll still be walking at like twice the normal pace. With a backpack full of copper. Yeah. A crackhead eats once in a while.

That's true. You know what I'm saying? Like a crackhead is not as far gone as a tweaker, I feel like. It's a different thing. So you have to realize where you are. If you're in Arizona, it's a tweaker. If you're like, you know, drive through like the city of Poughkeepsie, that's a crackhead probably at that point. That's a great point.

There aren't a lot of crackheads in Arizona. I never saw many. It's not full. It's tweaking though. Oh, boy. Those are tweakers. Speaking of all of this, let's talk about a murder that occurred here. Okay.

All right. We're going to go that occurred here. Okay. All right. We're going to go back to a magical time. Not really. It's actually a pretty crappy time, but it's funny to talk about because we were both kids in it and we'll have a lot of memories. And by the way, at the end of this show, we are going to save us from memorializing and laughing at 1992 now. We're going to do it at the end of the show, and I have some special things to do that with. So don't worry about that. That's coming at the end of the show,

some funny shit here. So December 5th, 1992, we're going to. December 5th, closing in on Christmas. Closing in on Christmas in Kansas. Yeah. Oh, it's just a very ugly time of year around here. Absolutely. No tornadoes, though, so that's good.

But they're coming in the spring, so we do have to think about that a little bit. Everything's dead and there's about two inches of snow. Yeah, two inches. Just that mist. That's all they get. Just enough to make it bleak. It's kind of ice more than snow, really. It's an ice cap to everything.

Jesus. By the way way my vision of kansas is skewed i must say i'm it's not fair to kansas because i have read so much shit about btk so every time i hear about kansas i'm i'm coloring that with he's walking around in that picture like stalking a woman and doing like weird shit and you know jerking off on a hanged teenager and stuff like that like you know what i'm saying like oh that's right there it's all right that's all i ever see is like he's there like sparky big time and i'm like oh god the worst get me out of kansas get me out of here so i'm'm sorry, Kansas. I'm going to Disneyland.

Going to Disneyland. I've driven through Kansas a couple of times. Yeah, I've been there several times. I stopped and ate at a diner that looked not like a diner. No? No, it just looked like a manufactured kind of house thing in the middle of nowhere. I think they call that a cafe. I had a good turkey sandwich.

It was great. The lady was nice and ran the place. It was fine. I have no complaints about Kansas. you look out and it's just fields of it's just fucking corn man i mean you can see forever corn forever i'm in a clear mask made you that turkey sandwich i'm sure he did yeah mustache and terrifying balding terrifying fishnets oh god yeah absolutely i didn't see him they keep him well behind the door so uh this 1995 here let's talk about a young man you know what he's not a young man no he's a dipshit he's 40 years old and a dipshit oh god let's start with a dipshit shall we terrific um from all i can, this man's legal name is Billy.

That tells you a lot. Is that right? Yeah. And everything I've seen on him that's official paperwork, it's Billy. I don't think I've ever heard of that. I don't see a William, even a Billiam. I see Billy. That's it.

Uh-oh. So, Billy T. Reed. All right. Billy T t over here yeah billy t reed is 40 years old and let's just say i don't think things have gone quite as well for billy t as a plan yeah not to plan i think things would have maybe gone a little bit better for him as we we he reminds me it's so funny that his name is billy because just what the new stranger things season came out so we watched the rest of them just to get caught up or whatever and billy max's brother the you know little redheaded girl's brother uh billy is the scumbag of the

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ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky and part comedy the stories we cover are well researched he claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people with a touch of humor i just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal.

Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Mor follow morbid on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts he he like he beat up children he can't like choked he choked lucas for christ's sake you know like what are you doing asshole anyway this guy reminds me of if stranger things billy wasn't you know destroyed by a demogorgon or whatever he would have grown up to be billy t reed uh okay so you have to picture that guy okay mullet um few year old camaro i'm assuming you know what i'm saying it's got some front end damage from you know he

was drunk one night who knows what happened but new exhaust oh it's he keeps the exhaust right he keeps the exhaust it's tuned and it's right right yeah he's got some problems um from a young age he's just he's a he's a white trash dipshit is what billy is that's the best way to describe him it's kind of the only way to describe him And when we tell you more about him and what he's doing at 40 years old, you're going to go, oh, God, you what a scumbag. So as a juvenile, he had a bunch of criminal property damage arrests. He was a vandalizing. He's a vandal breaking windows and stuff. Shit like, yeah, breaking things and, you know damaging property and okay kid vandalizing stuff

kids that have like bad home lives that go out and do this dumb shit rather than finding some constructive way to which i mean they're children i mean sure really i don't blame them for that but the problem is once they're adults then um then we have to deal with them and it's our problem yeah then it's not the parents problem anymore you go society's issue watch your goddamn kid all right jesus christ now it's like ah fuck this person's like a full-fledged adult now it's not necessarily a problem as much as it is an issue there you go it's not a problem but an issue so it's a good name for the show this week maybe so not a problem but an issue so he's he did that and he just kind of never stopped with this dumb shit never stopped he's been arrested to uh for different things for

burglary um he pled guilty to a misdemeanor theft charge and he made a deal a plea deal he was on up on a burglary charge which is way more than a theft charge yeah and so he made a deal to get off on that and pled guilty to misdemeanor theft and also has pled guilty recently to criminal criminal trespassing oh boy you're 40 years old bro and it's still going like this you're yeah you're 40 years old you're stealing on a petty enough level where they're willing to give you a deal that that's you know from a felony to a misdemeanor theft basically you couldn't have been stealing that much you weren't stealing you know the fucking hope diamond at that point were you like there wasn't a i'd like to like to

know what it was that he was stealing this wasn't an oceans 11 caper this was who knows what he stole this is an idiot not d Cooper. This is just dumb stuff. He stole like two quarts of 10W30 from the Flying J. You know what I mean? Or all the Chromies off of an 18-wheeler. All of them. Every little one. He's like, now I got them for cars for the rest of my goddamn life.

Next four and a half cars are covered, buddy. I tell you what. All set. Four and a half. Four and a half. Or four and a motorcycle. I a half or four and a motorcycle or nine scooters who knows i'll put them on my damn dirt bike at this point i'll tell you what you know i'm gonna go in and steal me some two-stroke too because that's gonna i'm gonna

need that as well shit i got the 10w30 for the other car so we're dealing with an asshole a 40 year old guy who's still getting into trouble on this level is a dipshit yeah it's it's he's certainly misled led astray uh no responsibility he's just a tool he's an idiot and he this man's been married this man oh my god of course he's been married thank thankfully i don't know if someone had an inhospitable womb or this guy's got a low sperm count or just the intervention of the universe in a positive direction. Inhospitable womb.

Whatever the science is behind the fact that he and his wife produced no offspring. Hallelujah. God damn it. Your hotel concierge at her fallopian tubes. She was very nice about it, at least. Every hotel you walk into, that concierge at this woman's fallopian tubes going, hmm. I don't see it. You made it through our site. Okay. Yeah, not through a it did you make it through our site

okay yeah not through a third party okay through our site wow it should be here then sometimes if it's through a third party they don't show up on another server but this I through our site click click click click click click huh you have an email you have an email on your reservation

let me see it let me see it I'll look it up by the confirmation number. That'll do. I'm sure I maybe am. Huh. Hold on. Can I see that again? I'm going to write it down.

And then they write it down on a post-it. And then they disappear for 20 minutes. And then they disappear through a door I didn't previously realize existed behind them. There's always an art piece around it. You don't even know it's there. They disappear into the wall and they're gone for a half hour. I feel like it's like the Death Star in there.

There's hallways with stormtroopers. I don't know what's happening, but I'm not welcome. And the other lady, Mr. Wiseman, welcome. Yeah, here's your room key. Have a great day. Have fun. Bye.

James, you okay? James, why are you crying? I'll be in the lobby a while I'll be down here I'll be down here Un-fucking-believable James how long you think you'll be down here Well I ordered food so

Probably a while I think a while They had me paying cash Cause I don't have a room number I got fucking Uber Eats is what I did. I don't know when it's coming. The place is like 4.3 miles away, it says. It's going to be a while.

Ah! I love to laugh at my pain. The actual torture is, at this point, it's so fucking funny. Do I laugh every time? I laugh every time. I can't help it At this point, it's so fucking funny. Do I laugh every time? I laugh every time. I can't help it at this point. It's like my discomfort is going to be fun. I feel you looking at me.

And I'm looking and you're just shaking your head. I don't know how it happens. Every damn time. What did I do? What did I do to these people? And I'm so nice. Am I nice? You have to

because people are people are going to see me like from the show like yelling at these people i'm not i'm excessively nice i'm super accommodating and i don't you know i'm oh no that's okay i understand oh god it's so good and they're like no no further no head down further you gotta really bend down really bend over for us to get right up your ass it hurts it hurts so bad hurts me too so so he didn't have any kids he's no thank god no kids but he has an ex-wife, though. An ex-wife, obviously. This is the type of guy who has an ex-wife. He doesn't have one. Or many ex-wives.

So he's got an ex-wife named Marla. And they were divorced in 1985. So he's been a swinging bachelor for about the last seven years here. He's got to be a popular guy around town with the ladies, I would imagine, obviously. Who doesn't want this guy? Jesus. It's you can go see him in court watch him perform it's gonna be fun divorce since he was like 32 though yeah 33 32 something like that so now marla talks about later on about that he repeatedly well the way she put it made threats against her before their divorce saying that now this is a threat here.

This isn't, you know, I'm going to slash your tires or something that's very abusive. But I would say this is over the top. Let's get your opinion. Everybody out there, Jimmy. Let's see that he quote. He said he promised he would kill me and cut my head and fingers off so nobody could identify the body. That's way too far that's a that's a that's a threat that's a very specific threat that you've thought about that's

not just i'll kill you that's you don't even have a plan shut up i'll kill you and i'll get away with it this is how i planned this is the dismount that i have planned okay also i'm gonna really try to get away with this show you the playbook yeah so just to let you know who what he's all about. And he's also what he does is he buys. Jesus Christ. He lets teenagers. This is like the Express from a couple of weeks ago, except that guy was like twenty nine or something and more closer to their age, whatever. But this guy lets teenagers drink in his trailer.

Oh, no. Just drink there, and he buys them alcohol and stuff, even when he's not home. It's not just like, I'm going to watch you drink. They'll go to his house and party when he's not even there, and he's fine with that. Very weird for a 40-year-old man. Comes home, and there's children drinking,

and he's like, hey, guys, I'm home. Yeah, that's pretty much it. That's the way it works. So that's what he's doing. Everyone in town is noticing yeah that's pretty much it that's the way it works so that's what he's doing everyone in town is noticing this yeah and people aren't thrilled with it to be honest they're like well that's weird i don't like seeing groups of teenagers going to that creeps house yeah the town dirtbags house you know with his fucked up iroc no one wants that it's just creepy man so recently by the way he's had some he's had some run-ins recently with

people yeah uh one young lady an acquaintance of his um she says that uh on december 4th the day before we're going to talk about here he came over to her house at 2 a.m which is aggressive right away it is yeah you got to know someone really well to just pop up at 2 a.m. Like, that has to be. Even if I know you, there better be an emergency. Oh, yeah, an emergency. And, I mean, even if there's an emergency, you better know them well. You know what I mean?

Like, you can come to my house at 2 a.m. and I'd be like, oh, shit, what's going on? I'd know something was wrong. Why do you need to be here right now is always going to be the first question. Yeah. Did you run into a tree down my street, basically? Did that happen? You need to use my phone? So this is way worse, though.

He shows up at 2 a.m., and she's like, hi. He's like, what up? How you doing? I'm sure he was just sober as a church mouse at this point, too. 2 a.m. small talk. 2 a.m. talk 2 a.m small talk and she's like so what's up and he's like not too much he's like oh here's something what if i give you some money i mean i like money everyone likes money and he's like i give you money and you can jerk me off this is just a friend of his i'm here for a prostitution proposition i'm here for a just a quick you know just a quick booty call except we're gonna make it illegal because it's much creepier that way what do you charge for handies

good morning this isn't like an old girlfriend somebody that you could you know hey come on now remember old times come on remember that one time when we went down oh come on now we went down on vacation first time that she jerks him off ever ever and it's going to be for i assume three crinkled dollars that came out of his three crinkled singles that came out of his jean pocket is that what we're deciding here i think at 2 a.m out of his tight jean pocket yeah and he had to reach in like he like had to keep pulling them in and out like what's going on i got one of them and that's one uh what the hell's going on here now oh that's a five you can't have that one oh hold on no that's want to jerk me off just a handful of crinkle

no idea what it is i don't know what it is. You open it and find out. Could be $8. Could be $70. Who knows? You know what? It's like, let's make a deal. You know what I'm saying?

You don't know what's behind door number in my hand. You have no fucking idea. I open my fingers. It could be a lifetime of bliss and magic. Could be three crinkled up dollars with french fry grease on them you never know could be could be shame and regret it's behind door number four digits door number four digits i know there's french fry grease because i put french fries in there earlier so there's probably two in there still you You know what? Three crinkled up dollars and the rest of my French fries I got in my pocket.

Anything left, even the crispy ones that are on the bottom, little tiny fuckers, they're delicious. You can have them. From my thigh sweat, they're extra salt. That's all it is, bud. That's it, baby. You want to do that? Surprisingly, this is quite the offer, I got to say, if you're just watching TV at 2 in the morning. I mean, you don't get a lot of chance to make money in the middle of the night.

But this isn't the most attractive offer. You don't really, right? That often. She just knocks on the door. Want to punch the clock? Yeah. And she's like, not really. She's sleeping, wiping shit out of her eyes.

So he says, that's she says, that's OK. I'm good. I'm just hanging and doing doing my thing so he's like all right then and he's like i'll be going now and she's like all right bye and he leaves and that's she said there was nothing threatening about it at all it wasn't it was like he came over and was like you feel like going to the diner i just feel like sitting down and having pancakes and smoking for an hour you know i'm saying just having? Just having to talk about bands we like and shit like that. That's what it felt like.

But he was just like, jerk me off for a couple dollars. Won't play tug of war if you win. I win too. Tell you what. You know how your daddy would tell you to pull his finger? Well. Tell you what. Tell you what.

Boy, do I have a proposition just a non-discriminate amount of money just handing her like a handful of cash huh whatever he's got you know just beer money i don't know gas money so she says no he leaves it's fine then she she's sitting in her house a little while later an hour later or or so. Fucking knock at the door. What about now? It's Billy again. She opens it. Billy? Sir Billium, may I help you?

Sir Billium of Wellington, how may I help you? And he says, how's it going? Just in the neighborhood again. She's like, okay, great. And he's like, like listen i'm sorry about earlier by the way that was i understand i you're not like that you're a nice girl i'm offering for you to jerk me off for money that's something you know you're not the kind of girl you offer that kind of thing too jesus christ i'm real sorry so you know what tell you what i'll give

you this money all you gotta do is take your clothes off i'll jerk myself off i'll just look at you you still get the money but you ain't gotta touch me none but i gotta see your pussy is that all right same money i'll do it myself same money i'll do it myself because he thought maybe maybe the touching me part was what was unattractive to her he thought it over he thought it over he's like well i mean maybe that was the problem i feel like you know clean up then she's got to worry about things like that i am a piece of shit how can i get a load out of my nutsack right now yeah with another person in the room for three crinkled dollars and a couple of uh Wendy's french fries. How can I do that? Huh. Shit.

Well, here's an idea. Unbelievable. Susie's home. I don't even know what the hell this guy is. So right now. This is 92? This is 1992. Wow.

We're getting an idea here. Has everyone got a portrait of this guy? Real gentleman. So far, you know, I'll cut your head off and your fingers so no one can identify the body. And I'll jerk me off for $3. No, wait. I'm a gentleman. You just take your clothes off.

I'll do it myself. You know, burglary. I'll still pay you. Burglary, things like that. He's just, he's batting a thousand, really. He really is he's quite the he's really destined for success he's destined for success he deserves to live in a town named after the duke of wellington i feel like he's he's fulfilling his royal

providence is what's happening right now he's already a stellar story oh head to toe purple he's just perfect he's regal jimmy he's he's fucking regal so um that's what he does so she said no thanks i'm good uh you know it wasn't the touching that was the part is i don't want you seeing i don't want you to jizz in my living room i think is really what i'm getting at right now so when she said that he was like oh shit all right and instead of just leaving again this time he pushed her up against the wall oh no okay he shoves her up against the wall with one hand and then he begins uh quote fondling her with the other hand oh god so he just starts he starts feeling her up and then it all stops when this is a very i mean i picture the druggie zombie coming at her but at this point she kicked him twice in the shin and he stopped and ran away

so it was like an old movie she was like no you varmint and he was like oh darn it and he like and he took off oh we're making it's a trad it's just traumatizing obviously no one should come over your house and fondle you against your will yeah she was like fuck you billy what the fuck are you doing yeah you know plus she knew the guy she's like billy get the fuck off me what are you feeling my tit for i'll knock you the the fuck out, you know? Kick, kick. Next one's your balls. And I think he took off at that point. So, yeah, good for her for fighting that off.

So this is what I mean. We got things like that. Another person here, a teenage girl, ran away from home. And when she did, she had nowhere else to go. So she went to the house that everybody drinks at. Oh, God. I mean, if you're going to run away, at least you might as well be able to get some booze out of at oh god i mean if you're gonna run away at least you might as well be able to get some booze out of it i guess if you're a teenager

so she goes there and um he hid her there and lied to her mother about her whereabouts really which you don't do when you're 40 years old no you're 40 years old you're like oh shit and then you talk that kid into going home and if they don't you go in the other room you call their mother they're a child what what is i wouldn't open the door like there's a kid out there i don't know some fucking kid they're probably selling something i wouldn't know the neighborhood children that's how that works as a child that's that's uh there's a that's breaking the law at some point right that fuck yeah that's harboring a runaway is it is it kidnapping i don't know lying to the

parents i mean it could even if it's voluntary she's not old enough to consent to be there so you know what i'm saying especially if she's there against the parents will there's got to be some kind of charges that come of that but no there's no charges that come of it wow somehow so even with all of his other charges there's he could have been in more trouble with that so yeah it's it's it's weird is what it is it's very weird so yeah he's a weird fuck so let's enter some teenagers shall we all right all right december 5th 1992 let's talk about michelle tate t-a-t-e michelle tate she's 16 years old. She has her mother and father. She's got a couple of brothers and a sister. There's four kids total, so two brothers and a sister, two and two, the family has.

She is a high school junior at this point, 16 years old, goes to school around here. She's moved to the area within the last year or so. So she's kind of new to the area. She wants to she likes she wants out of this town. Yeah. Period. Like she's the type of teenager that's like, I can't wait to go away to college. I'm going to party. She wants to be a model. That's what she wants to do. So she to get out of wellington kansas is step one if you want to be a model that's period yeah this is it's almost a cliche for her to like show up on a greyhound in los angeles and have axl rose scream welcome to the jungle ladder or something it's it's in 92 this was a thing that happened all the time oh yeah yeah now you can do it at

home you can do you can online you can market yourself you can do it at home. You can do you can online. You can market yourself. You can do a different thing. But back then, if you were in Kansas, you weren't going to be a model, period. You had to go where models got work. That was it. So that's what she wanted to do. She liked to party with her friends. She liked to drink. She liked to hang out. She's a she wants to go to college and get get out of here and party and be a model. I mean, whatever. I would want to do that too if I was a 16-year-old kid in Kansas. I wanted to do that minus the college and modeling. So, you know what I mean? I had no desires or aspirations of modeling and didn't even think twice about college. Coming out of high school, I was more likely to be a model than a collegiate. Put it that way. More likely to make my living that way than go

to college by far because i never even thought of college at all you know never so yeah he uh anyway that's what she's doing what she wants to do she's got some friends here that she's hangs out with one of them is melinda cohen uh k-o-e-h-n that's that's cone or cohen or i'm gonna call it gotta be cone right i'm gonna call it cone yeah uh so melinda we'll just say melinda so we have melinda and michelle there we go melinda is her friend she's also 16 um she has she's friends with her uh she her okay her step-uncle melinda's step-uncle is billy t reed okay what yes that's her step-uncle there how's how did that work we'll talk we'll talk about in a second there what is the relation here um yeah billy's brother um i believe it is billy's brother's stepdaughter that's who she is she's billy's brother's stepdaughter. That's who she is. She's Billy's brother's stepdaughter, so step-uncle.

That's how it works. That makes sense. She's 16, and she likes her step-uncle because she's allowed to go over there and drink and party and shit. That's where you go. It's just, you know, Uncle Billy. That's fine. It's my brother. Don't worry about it. There's adult supervision. It's going to be fine.

Billy's an adult. My stepdad's brother's house. Go into my stepdad's brother's house going to my stepdad's brother's house which is a weird why would a 16 year old go to my stepdad's 40 year old brother's house that's just weird and silly but i get it i would be going there too if i was a teenager though i went to weird places to hang out and my one friend's parents the guy smoked crack constantly we We went there anyway. We didn't care. We could smoke weed downstairs, so who cares if he's smoking crack in his own time? My sister's husband, first husband, lived in a trailer behind our apartments, and he had a shed out back that they converted. You don't even need to tell any more of the story.

He lived in a trailer behind the apartments that had a shed that he converted, dot, dot, dot. Best story ever. That's it right there. My sister chose that guy as her suitor. She's like, perfect. That's a mighty nice shed she's got there, boy. I'll tell you something.

I got some things I need to store. Night and shining aluminum. That's amazing holy shit man his lawnmower don't even sit in the rain well i tell you what this is some serious this guy's got it together buddy that it was so gross dude so gross it had a subfloor but it was it was not there was electricity in it james it was just a shed oh well yeah a couch and yeah a couch there's a couch a tv there was there was i don't know if there was water or not but okay people lived in it whenever there is like sit down furniture other than just like a lawn chair or something there is fabric furniture yeah yeah anywhere furniture in an outbuilding there's something sexual happening there either someone

uses that as their like jerk shack or somebody's like molesting someone out there or like you know there's something bad happening and there's jizz everywhere there was crack smoked in that place crack smoked you go in there with a black light, it's going to be hideous is what I'm getting at. It's going to be bad. So this particular night, Melinda Cohn, Billy's step-niece, and Michelle Tate, who is Melinda's friend here,

they come to there and they have another friend, a 17-year-old girl. They plan to hang out that night, visit friends, and at some point they're going to end up spending the night. They want to crash out at Billy's house because they want him to buy them booze so they can go party around town and then come home. Obviously not shit-faced to their parents. They want to crash out at his house and then go home the next day fresh as a daisy to the parents wasn't that a fascinating time in the early 90s when we just trusted crooked adults to buy us booze and never try to fuck us we didn't know any better how isn't that crazy we thought of it this way if they try to fuck us we'll say no but i really want that

booze that's the way we thought about we didn't realize that they might be able to do it anyway or kill us or something yeah isn't that nuts it's insane i told the story when i was like 13 and some guy tried to like get my friend to come like to his house and he was gonna pay him in silver it was the weirdest he because he bought us he bought my friend cigarettes not even me i wasn't even smoking he bought my friend cigarettes and you know got him to do it and then i popped in the truck and was like what the fuck is going on he was like i'm going to this guy's house and we're gonna get silver and i was like what no i took my knife out and then the guy told us to get out get out get out of here you guys are crazy because i was i was an asshole good for you hero

i had a switchblade on me and i just took it out and popped it open it was like what's up motherfucker or stiletto it popped out of the top not the one that popped up it shot out of the top like the one i had the other night yeah yeah like the one i my travel knife so stilettos are great yeah that's good shit so anyway it worked the guy was like jesus these kids might be a little quicker than i give them credit for this this might be harder than I thought. It's good. I was pretty big.

I was bigger than my friends. He was like, oh, man. Never mind. I wanted to give him silver. This kid's got steel. Get out. I can't. I don't think I can take his butthole by force.

I'm going to go now. Never mind. So anyway, my friend got no silver out of the deal, needless to say. But he kept his life. He did keep his life so billy's brother is tom reed and that's melinda's uh stepfather like we said now melinda became michelle tate's best friend when tate moved fra to this area from hutchinson which we've also done an episode about hutchinson kansas, we've done an episode there.

That's so weird. This was last year. She moved here. I guess her parents got divorced. She moved here with her mother and her two brothers and her sister. So right away she found herself a best friend, which is that's good. Yeah. If you move somewhere when you're 15, that's I did it.

That's hard, man, because you're everyone is everyone's ass deep in friendships already right you have to really display something to these people to get them to invite you into their group it's hard so most of the people here have been here a while and there's everything's established they have inside jokes and stories about a time that guy shit his pants and yeah you don't know you're yeah you you're talking to that person and that's the one who shit their parents and you're supposed to make that joke, and they don't know it, and it's a mess. You got a boner in third period. Yeah.

I don't know that story. Yeah. You're going out with fart girl? Oh, let me tell you a story. You know what I mean? That's the type of stuff that happens. Oh, man, let me tell you about this party one time. You show up when you're 15.

You might date fart girl and not know it. You don't even know it. You don't even know you got a fart girl and not know it you don't even know it you don't even know you got you got a fart girl until it's too late so good i'm glad that she had a friend that's good there she made a friend and that was excellent and they were pretty inseparable apparently over this time and through melinda uh michelle was very familiar with billy reed as were most of the teens in the neighborhood here and they would gather at at Billy Reed's house in Wellington because he would buy them booze and let them spend the night there.

That's all. I mean, it was that simple. That's how he is. So anyway, they end up, a friend of the girls took them to another guy's house, Chuck Flynn. Now, Chuck Flynn is 36 years old. So from what I understand, he's not related to anybody here either. So I don't know. I guess they know him through Billy probably because he's Billy's friend.

So him and Billy are tight. Epstein networking. This is weird. This is disgusting. Yeah, this is a really weird Epstein triangle that I don't enjoy here at all yeah so they're going to flynn's house flynn's like i said 36 to look for billy so billy can buy him booze that's what they're looking for they want some billy booze and um they go there to find him he when they do he's at chuck's house watching tv billy is he's hanging out there um whatever and they said hey on, will you buy us booze?

You know, can we find you again later on and buy us booze and blah, blah, blah. Are you busy later? And he was like, nah, I'll buy you shit later. Don't worry about it. So they didn't. That was it. They took off and he continued watching TV. End of story. So now Chuck Flynn

back at his house. It's about eight o'clock at night now fast forward a little bit because this was afternoon we're talking about eight o'clock at night um and in december too so it's dark dark now it's not like it's jan you know january or july or something and it's dusk or any shit like that they're driving around town these melinda and and michelle and another couple friends are driving around when they see this is also a bad sign they see billy on the street oh he's walking he's just walking hands and pockets he's probably got the shoulders up right with the denim denim jacket collar up i'm picturing yeah just singing ario speed wagon or or Boston or something. Hell yeah. I don't care if I'm left behind.

People live in competition. He's like comforting himself with it. Lonely is the night. All I want is to have my peace. Oh, hey, how you doing? Yeah, how you doing, ladies? Good to see you. I hope he's just doing like a mashup in his own head where he sings that.

You have different songs? Yeah, throws in some Billy Squire too. Throws in some of that. He's like, don't you know that you are a... Some bad company. Mixing it up a little bit. He's just a late 70s. I can't fight this feeling anymore.

Hot time, summer in the city. Songs to warm him up, but also lonely songs. Oh, man. Lonely songs, yeah. And he goes home to just listen to some Dio. That's all he's going to do.

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They're teenage girls. What do you think they want? They want vodka. No, almost. Almost. Yeah. No, they want Everclear.clear two bottles two bottles of everclear i don't know if they're big bottles or the small you know like a pint you know like a flask size

are in it either way three two bottles of everclear for three young girls is a lot that's a lot that's a lot man so he said hey i he said, hey, I'm not going to be home. I'm going out. I'm fucking Billy. I'm doing things, obviously. I got a lot going on. Get me some pussy tonight, baby. Yeah, buddy.

You know, that's his. You're going to get somebody to watch me jerk off. Man, I'm going to pay a woman to just watch me jerk it. Yeah, that's right. She'll take her tit out for enough money. me jerk it yeah that's right i'll she'll take her tit out for enough money so he said i won't be home but you girls have the run of the place go on over my house and you can hang out and drink and do whatever nobody will be there so you'll have the run of it enjoy enjoy so yeah they're like fucking awesome teenage girls on a friday or a sat. Free trailer. With two bottles of Everclear and an open house, man.

Oh, my stomach hurts already. But if you're a teenager, this is like, could it be any better? You know what I mean? You rent a couple of movies and you are right up to, what would they be renting right now, you think? In 92? Shit. You know what?

Hold that thought because I'll tell you exactly what they'll be renting because I have the top 10 rentals from that time at the end that's part of our nostalgia trip movies and music at the end so stick for that and we'll find out maybe what they were renting that night so um what do you think though i'm gonna get what you guess now and i'm trying to think of what what was that it was was naked gun 33 and a third out then what a weird choice for teenage girls why would teenage girls want to watch leslie nielsen bump into shit that's not what teenage girls wanted to watch back then it was a cory feldman huh it was a cory feldman not by then right no feldman was gone by

then no 92 that was the end of it all that was like yeah a little dream the bad stuff that was when they were adults playing kids and they're like oh this is creepy feldman you're looking creepier by the day bro yeah you're 26 sir stop this and he started to dress like michael jackson even in movies you're like this is weird and now he still thinks he is oh yeah he does still like mike's mike's dead i can do it now no you can't kids now won't even know that I'm imitating him. They'll think this shit's original. They'll think I made it. Yeah.

So anyway, it doesn't matter what they got. So they're going over there drinking, doing everything. So what they do, they go over there and they play a drinking game with Everclear where they just mix it with Pepsi. What? They mix it with. That's all they had. So that where they just mix it with Pepsi. What? They mix it with... That's all they had, so that's what they mixed it with. Everclear and Pepsi,

which sounds... I'd rather put water in it. That sounds terrible. That's so bad. Oh, God. The taste, it would just... Full of gasoline. I'd like Pepsi that could...

Yeah, exactly. Pepsi that if you lit a match near me, my insides would catch on fire. That's what I would like. But make it Pepsi. You know, they do a Flamin' Dr. Pepper. We could do Flamin' Pepsi. It's literally flaming.

Wow. So they played a drinking game with that. Oh, my God. Within an hour, Jimmy. They're dead. Within an hour, they drank most of the Everclear within an hour. We're talking about three teenage girls drank. And they handled it?

Well, Michelle started to feel a little bit sick. And that's just a little sick. Not like and Michelle needed to go to the hospital would have been the thing I would need to say. Like one of them needs. Michelle's in the hospital. The other two are in the morgue. One's who were in the morgue and Michelle threw up

and her pancreas fell out. So we have to help her. It was in the toilet. We had to get the net from the fish tank and grab it. It was crazy. These girls are pickled and seasoned. Holy shit. That's a lot.

In an hour, they did that. Wow. Wow. Are we sure these aren't like airplane bottles these are like i don't know i don't how do you play a drinking game with airplane bottles how does ever clear i've only seen in the big 750s i've never seen it smaller than that i was thinking maybe it was because i've seen like the smaller bottles that are kind of shaped like a flask i think i've seen those about maybe the one's like a Mad Dog 2020 bottle, you know, like one of those.

Well, is that a fifth? That's not a fifth. No, I've seen that. I've always considered that a fifth because I think the 750 is considered a fifth. Maybe I haven't seen that. That's a fucking way too much. I don't think I've ever seen anything smaller than the 750. Wow.

Either way, it's ever clear. It's enough to make one sick and the other one's really shit-faced in an hour. Your lawnmower will literally run on it. It's literally flammable. It's combustible shit. If you have a carburetor engine and you run out of gas, you could get a jumpstart with this shit. You can get it cooking with this.

You really can. It's unbelievable. It's insane. So that's what they're drinking, mixed with Pepsi. Oh, God, Jesus. So anyway, they get their friend, a guy named Buck Rowan. Enter Buck into the picture. Buck.

Come on, Buck. You got to be a strapping son of a bitch to pull Buck off. They rent Tombstone, James. It's not out yet, 94. 94, that's right. Tombstone's 94, yeah. 92? Jesus, Drop Dead Fred.

They rented Drop Dead Fred. Because that came out in 91 so there you go i think it did because i saw it in the theater when i moved to arizona because some girl that i liked wanted to see it and um yeah and it turned out at the time i didn't like her or the movie but later on i appreciated the movie more but at the time I decided against both things so it wasn't good thanks a lot Drop Dead Fred for ruining Phoebe Cates for being attractive they made her the least sexy

Phoebe Cates has ever been I think that's what she was going for you think so? I think so I'm tired of people pausing and whacking it to my boobs I'm tired of it I'm going of it. I'm going to have a thing where I play like a different type of character, I think, like a sweet kind of, because she looked sweet.

She was very nice, yeah. But that's why people liked her. She was an average girl, yeah. Because she was girl next door, but sexy, you know what I mean? So that's why they liked Fast Times. And then they made that show the least sexy she's ever been. Yeah, which I mean, it would have been really weird to have her looking all sexy with that idiot jumping around her. Because he wasn't real sexy, so why the hell does she have to be sexy?

I don't have to sex it up if I'm around this dipshit, do I? No? All right. We can both be ridiculous. Great. Sounds good. It's perfect. No, I'm all about it. Buck Owens is here.

So, yeah, Buck Owens, Rowan all about owens is here so yeah buck owens rowan buck rowan is here you got to be a strapping man to pull off buck as a name otherwise it's just sad he said buck they would drop uh melinda here off and uh and her friend another young lady here they'll drop them off at the coastal mart okay which sounds like a gas station is what it sounds like. The Coastal Mart that's open late. Coastal Mart in Kansas, as if there's any coast anywhere in your mind. No, no. Yeah, it's probably some gas company called Coastal.

But yeah, no coast anywhere. Imagine the bleakness around this place, too. It's just probably, you know. Yeah. Jesus Christ. So the plan is take them to Coastal Mart, then take Michelle to the Scotsman's restaurant and attempt to get some coffee in her. Okay. I don't know why they couldn't just get some coffee at the Coastal Mart. Coastal Mart. And have it do it in the car rather than drag a drunk 16-year-old into a fucking diner and sit her down.

What kind of weird spectacle is that that you're making you know like yeah i don't know if that's normal around these parts but i don't if you get the if you get the coffee at the coastal mart if your stomach hurts and you're driving around with a sick you know she could throw up coffee all over your car i guess it's better to throw up in this restaurant yeah they. They have night porters, I guess. Well, at least sit down and there's no motion sickness. You know what I mean? That's true. That's true.

Sit down and gather your wits. So the plan is I'm going to get her some coffee. Buck's going to get her some coffee. Melinda and her friend, you guys go to the Coastal Mart. And then I'll meet you guys up at the Coastal Mart at midnight. Okay. So we'll be back with Michelle at midnight. We'll all meet up and everything's going to be great.

So Buck said that Michelle was real shit face. She was really, really, really, like, really drunk. Like, you have to help her to walk her places and shit drunk. That's awful. You know, like a young girl who drank Everclear type drunk. Anybody who drank Everclear. I can't drink that. If I drank that, you'd have to help me, too.

That's what I mean. I don't weigh. I've seen Michelle. She doesn't weigh more than 120 pounds, probably. So, I mean, wow. He he said that he didn't. They went to the go to the Scotsman's restaurant, but he ended up driving by because there was a sheriff's car parked outside. So you're a teenager.

You don't want to fucking pull in with a drunk teenager that's you have to carry into the place they're gonna come talk to you probably and then you're gonna get in trouble and whatever this buck i think he's around their age might be a little older but he's not in his late 30s at least or 40 might be 17 or 19 something like that yeah maybe he graduated last year or whatever the fuck but he's he's in the ballpark of a i guess somebody that's reasonable for them to be hanging out with yeah it doesn't look bizarre on the, but he's in the ballpark of, I guess, somebody that's reasonable for them to be hanging out with. It doesn't look bizarre on the surface that he's surrounded himself with three girls. Yeah, if you're 40 and you drag a 16-year-old drunk girl into a diner,

it looks way worse than even if you're their friend because then you better pretend that they're your daughter and you just caught her drunk with her friends and she's in big trouble. That's why you better bet. That's right. I found her, goddammit, one of her damn kids these days. No respect. I'm going to get some coffee in her.

Come on, honey. I went bowling. I came back to this shit. Jeez, I worked my ass off all goddamn week for this shit. This is what I get for it on a Saturday goddamn night, my one goddamn night to relax? Put a roof over your head? Damn it. When missed the kansas football game this is bullshit very upset the strongest you got keep them coming keep them coming so um

he said that he the buck drove around looking for melinda at this point and her friend they were well where'd they go because he dropped him off at the coastal mart but they weren't going to sit at the coastal mart for an hour and a half. They were going to go do whatever and then meet back at midnight. So during this whole time he's driving around, Michelle is sick, and now she started throwing up all every. She spends most of this time hanging out the window or whatever. Yeah, painting the side of the car. And he's trying to find her friends to give her back to them basically like

here you go here's this throwing up friend of yours you know no one wants responsibility for the throwing up girl that's the problem so um you know unless you're nice and you don't want him to choke on it and you want to help them so he decided i don't know where else to go i can't find these chicks i am going to i know they were at billy's house and i know that's where they're all going to end up later because they're going to stay over there because they're drinking. So I'm just going to go take her over there now and drop her off at Billy's house and she can sleep this off. You know, all the other girls will be back in a little while and then they can sleep it off and everybody will be fine. I'm just whatever. So trusting.

Yeah. So she is so drunk that she can't walk to the house herself okay so um buck's brother i guess is nearby some i don't know where the hell buck's brother came from into this scene where did run off of buck happen i don't know but we got we got brother Buck over here now. And he came out of nowhere and helped this guy, helped Buck carry Michelle into Billy's house. So she was so wobbly, and especially after puking a whole bunch. You know how that feels. You can't. Your body feels like you've just been, you've had like a giant vacuum stuck in your mouth,

and every bit of your insides has been sucked out. You feel horrible. So it hurts. So it hurts. It's bad. So Buck says that they put her on the couch later down on the couch, took off her shoes and covered her with a blanket. Like, OK, they put her sideways.

She throws up. It'll be on the ground. Trash can by her face, guys. Well, they're kids. They're not thinking. I don't know how old Buck or his, guys. Well, they're kids. They're not thinking that. I don't know how old Buck or his brother is, but I don't think they're thinking it through that. Not my fucking carpet, and they walked out. Not my shag.

It's brown anyway. It won't pick up nothing. So that's about that. They feel like, done my good Samaritan duty. I've brought her to a safe place and laid her down and even put a blanket over her. We're nice guys. Peace out. And they go to leave.

Okay? So as they go to leave, Buck and Brother Buck, this is when Billy pulls up. REO speed wagon blaring out of the T-tops. You know how it goes. So Buck tells him, Billy, thatelle is in your house on the couch we laid her down on the couch with a blanket in there just so you know so you're not like who the fuck's on my couch when you walk in he said well why the hell did you do that he says that's god damn it you should have put her down in the room on the water bed um no you don't well actually um

because this is the thing. I read that. I was like, oh, no. Because he said, I sleep on the damn couch. I can't sleep on a waterbed. It makes me woozy. It's better from a back, I think, is the deal. So I sleep on any 40-year-old man who sleeps on his own couch, by the way.

That's a problem also. There's so many red flags with this guy in general. Do I do that a week on purpose though no it's because i fall asleep watching tv i wake up at like 2 a.m be like ah fuck it yeah no this guy brings like his bedding out there he's got like a pillow and a blanket set up this is where he sleeps by choice this isn't like i fell asleep and i'm too lazy to go to bed now he gets this is my choice pillow and gets his bed pillow and puts it on the couch. On the couch.

Gets like dog hair all over it. Absolutely. Doesn't give a shit. No good. It's bad. The whole scene is terrifying at this point. So he said, God damn it. He needs to sell that waterbed and get him a Serta

because those waterbeds, if that's the problem, it's got to be the problem. Those are awful. I'm sure. That's the worst. They support nothing. Nothing the problem. Those are awful. I'm sure. That's the worst. They support nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

And every time you move, you're, oh, Jesus. You wake up and you're a horseshoe. Yeah. Yeah. Why am I moving still? So he said, you should have put her, but in the 80s, waterbeds were huge. So by 92, there were still remnants of water. They were, that was the popular thing.

And then it was, you know, memory foam and spring coils and this, that. There's just whatever they come up with that week to sell you a new mattress. You have that mattress? Oh, God, you're going to die. You need this new one. We really fucked up making that last one. I had a water bed until I was 18, and that thing had a heater in it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You have to, or else you'll die of hypothermia. Yeah. Then the heater went out and i then i couldn't sleep under the blankets ever again no you need to have like i because i've had a water bed back in the day like that's where the heater died too and you have to put like four comforters on it otherwise the and even then you wake up like pretty chilled you're like there's i just feel i feel like my body temperature is about 92 right now that's not right right it's dropped a little lower than it should be and the underside

of you whichever side is on the mattress is ice fucking cold it's cold and like your your joints are sore all stiff and shit when you're 17 this shouldn't be like this and you flip over because you're freezing and and then like your your back like goes away that it doesn't go yeah not at all just wake up in pain oh it's so fucking bad what a terrible invention it's it really was man but people it was supposed to be like sexy like come on hop on here and then we both yeah i've like motion like and meanwhile fucking on one of those is damn near impossible you get no leverage from the knees but i think the theory was yeah that if you can get a rhythm going it's almost like it's almost like a paddle ball game yeah where you keep you do it once or twice but if you really nail it you get in the rhythm for a

while i think if you're in the rhythm in a water bed that's what they're trying to sell is the water will keep the rhythm for you yeah and it'll just the flow of the water will keep you like fucking on yeah we're like the water will pull her away and you away and then slam you together every fucking it becomes like a hydro powered fuck toy does all the work yeah yeah you know how it works right i think that's what they were trying to sell like a hydro powered fuck experience but i don't know it doesn't work that way it doesn't really i don't think that's how it's gonna end up because it's a square not round and there's no like the waves crash into the walls of the bed. Because it's a square, not round, and there's no, like, the waves crash into the walls of the bed frame, and it fucks everything

up. It's all fucked up, yeah. And then you're just fucking in a cyclone. And they all had giant, like, headboards with shelves and shit on it. Yeah, a giant mirror in the middle. Mirror and shelves and a slide thing where you put

candles in and shit. Why? I don't know. I don't know. Like, we'll make it half armoire and half hydro powered fuck unit. Why not? Enjoy your hutch bed. Yeah.

It's an armoire fuck unit. That's what it is. With like padding around the edges of it. It was awful. They were bad. Consider yourself lucky if you're too young to have ever had a waterbed. It was bad. Yeah.

In the 80s. Hydro-powered fuck machine. Hydro-powered fuck machine. That's going to keep its own rhythm. Perpetual motion with this water. That was the working title and then they just went with waterbed. Guys, that's, I don't know. Would you buy that?

You know what I mean? It's a little too on the nose. Everybody else has this bed and that bed. What if we make it like waterbed? What do you think of that? You think the people will go for it? All right. I don't know.

Let's try it out. So he's upset because he can't sleep on the couch now because she's there. So Buck shrugged his shoulders and was like i don't know bro and he left like that was that buck doesn't give a shit buck just wants out of the situation he doesn't care uh buck thinks this was about 2 a.m when he dropped her off and put her on the couch that's his general memory i think it was about 2 a.m so they drove around for two hours looking for their friends jesus christ so in the meantime melinda and her other friend there uh you know part of the original trio they've been driving around with two other

friends uh two boys named uh charlie callahan which isn't that isn't that irish kid isn't that one of uh the isn't that chris farley's dad like like Brian Dennehy and Tommy Boy? Is his name Charlie Callahan? I think it was. Was it Brian Callahan? Well, his name is Brian Dennehy. So that's pretty good. Yeah.

I don't know. Did they call him his first name? They had to, right? He's the brother that died in a boating accident when they were nine. So Chris Farley's going to do it, I guess. I'm not sure. And a guy named josh wolf who apparently what really yeah i don't know if that's that josh was it's 92 it could be him

is he from kansas i don't know if he's from kansas this could be while i'm doing this jimmy yeah look him up and see if he's from Kansas. I think we should do that shit. So I would not be surprised if he is because he's from Kansas. I am going to shit because that could definitely be him. Also, it's a very it's two four letter words. So it could be very born in Boston. Never mind. Perfect.

All right. Different guy. Different guy. There's a comedian in Joshua. Perfect. All right. Different guy. Different guy.

There's a comedian named Josh Wolf. Anyway, so she's with Josh Wolf, Charlie Callahan, Melinda, and her other friend. The four of them are driving around. Michelle's passed out on the couch still. They say at 1.30 a.m. This would be before Buck says he dropped Michelle off. 1.30, they stop by Billy's house to see if, because there's no cell phone so they've literally two carloads of people have been driving around a small town looking for each other and have failed

that's how weird this is but i mean and that's a bad plan too just like any other time if you're lost or being looked for or you're looking for somebody keep moving yeah stand fucking still that's what my parents always told me if you you're ever lost, my grandparents told me, if you're ever lost in this girl's drawer, you stand fucking still. Don't move. I'll find you. That's the thing. You have to have an agreement of one of the parties is going to stand still.

Because if both of these carloads stood still, no one's finding anybody either. So someone's got to stand still and someone's got to agree to look and then you can find somebody. You'll eventually pass by them. But if my grandparents, if I went shopping with my grandparents at the King Soopers, my grandma would go one way, my grandpa would go the other way.

I'd go with my grandpa because that man is a fucking hero. And we would just be walking, looking for things, and we would just magically meet up with my grandma. And I was always like, how did we do this? And he goes,

we've been married for 40 years. I know where she ends up. I know where she's at. I know she'll be staring at yogurt for some reason she does it every time i know what she's doing go down the soup aisle of course she's always in that fucking soup aisle cream of some shit i don't know so they say at 1 30 they stopped by billy t's house and no one was home yeah this house is black and empty knocked on the door nobody answers

oh well so then they say um around 2 30 a.m they saw buck again they ran back into buck at the scotsman's the restaurant i guess the bar lounge i don't know if it's like a i don't know what the hell it is or maybe like a food yeah where we congregate maybe their version of denny's i don't know what it is is denny a scottish name maybe. Maybe their version of Denny's. I don't know what it is. Is Denny a Scottish name? Maybe that's what turned into Denny's after a while. So he then told them about, Buck said, yeah, I left Michelle over at Billy's house. She was puking all over my goddamn car and everything else. So I left her over Billy's house there.

So Melinda and her girlfriend, those two are part of the original trio. They end up at Billy's house at about 3.30 a.m. Okay. And they said no one was there, though. No one was home. Couldn't find anybody at 3.30 a.m., which is weird because— An hour and a half ago, we got a drunk girl passed out on the couch. Nobody's here now?

No one's there. House is empty. They can see the couch. I mean, they've been coming in and out of the house. They have access to it. They can see the couch. She's not they've been coming in and out of the house. They have access to it. They can see the couch. She's not on it. So weird.

That's strange. So either Buck's got his times way off or I don't know. She disappeared. So, yeah, they check there. Eventually, the girls go and start riding around with another two boys, Jeff Bevan and Jason Meslin. There's a lot of teenagers driving around at 3 30 in the morning way too many 3 30 in the morning like i i was a teenager we did a lot of fucked up shit and crazy shit and parties and everything 3 30 in the morning you wouldn't run into tons of people

places 3 30 in the morning everybody's on a couch throwing up yeah by then the night's over they're like in a backyard hugging a tree puking there. Wherever you're throwing up, you're doing it in private is what we're saying. These people are on multiple bottles of Everclear wheeling around town. Crazy. So they're hanging out with another two. Like we said, Jason Meslin, Jeff Bevin are these people's names. Bevin said he drove them by this house at about – by Billy T's house at 2.30. But that can't be true because everybody else – he just had his time wrong. drove them by this house at about by Billy T's house at two 30. But, um,

that can't be true because everybody else, he just had his time wrong. Everybody else said that they didn't even get in the car with them until 4. A.M. So at 4. A.M. They were like, cool,

let's go drive around. I can't imagine. Oh, crazy. So anyway, either way, whenever they were there, no one was home,

whether it was three 30, four o'clock, doesn't really matter. No one was there at that moment when they were there, no one was home. Whether it was 3.30, 4 o'clock, doesn't really matter. No one was there at that moment when they went there. So eventually, Bevan and Meslin dropped off Melinda and the other young lady off at the Coastal Mart again. It's like 5 o'clock in the morning now. Two teenage girls standing outside a truck stop here. This is weird.

Something's going to come up. teenage girls standing outside a truck stop here this is weird um uh eventually the two girls end up somehow making their way back to billy's house from there because melinda left her driver's license at billy's house questions i have so many questions so they go out what yeah why is it why did you take it out i don't know if you i doubt you left your whole purse there or something i don't know just pass that around the living room everybody looking yeah i don't think there was lines being cut up or anything they were just drinking so i don't understand why your license is out but she wanted to go get her license so this has to be christ 5 30 in the morning maybe. I mean, it's well past 4.

I mean, from 4, they stopped by there, left, drove around, did all this shit, and then they end up back. So past 5 o'clock in the morning, and no one was there still at the house. No Billy, no Michelle, no nobody. So they left again after they got their license. What an active night they have. Eventually, they call it a night at, I don't know, know seven in the morning who the hell knows what time it is this is crazy right yeah they eventually before their parents woke up man these they know how to party i mean fuck they go harder

than i go oh my god jesus seven o'clock in the morning? Are you kidding me? No, thank you. At 4 a.m., I'm never looking for someone else to hang out with. Ever. Someone else. It's never happened. So they left again, like we said, and then they returned later on, like we said, like, who knows, 6.30, 7 in the morning. And when they returned, they find old Billy T's pickup truck in the driveway now. Oh, he's back. Now he's back. Pickup truck there. It's in the front of the house. Not a driveway, truck in the driveway now oh he's back now he's back pickup

truck there it's in the front of the house not a driveway but in the front of the house they enter the house and he billy is sitting in a chair just you know right in front of the door just a chair in the middle of the living room now melinda said he had a gun cleaning rod in his hand you know those brushes like a big pipe like a big gun pipe cleaner, basically. There it is. That's the best way to describe it. So Billy told Melinda that, quote, some man had brought Michelle to the house and that he, Billy, had told her, Michelle, that she needed to find somewhere else to stay. Because, you know, it's one thing you guys want to come over here in a group and party,

but if you're going to be sick in my house, this is crazy. I don't want you over here. So he said that he went to the bathroom. He told her that. Then he went to the bathroom. And when he got out, the door was closing behind her. She was leaving. She took his advice.

She took the fuck off. She was like, oh, that was that. And so he was like, I don't know where she is. I just, that was all, that was the last I saw of her. So Melinda and her friend then go out to search for Michelle. She's so drunk, maybe she fell in some bushes somewhere or something. She could be in somebody's front yard sleeping this off. So they walk around on foot until about 8 a.m. looking for her.

They don't find her, though. Can't find her anywhere. No trail of her. There's not like't find her, though. Uh-huh. Can't find her anywhere. No trail of her. There's not, like, a vomit trail to follow or anything. So they return to Billy's house and fall asleep on his waterbed. That's it. Yeah, they go down to the waterbed. And when they got back to the house after walking around,

he was already passed out on the couch. So they were like, all right, let's go hit that waterbed. Snuggled on up and fell asleep on the water bed hopefully michelle went home that was that i guess so um he ended up billy wakes up at 9 a.m and drives them home to south haven which is very close by town uh there they picked up some clean clothes and ended up going back with him to his house in wellington what they just stopped by to pick up so you have a 16 year old daughter yeah she went out presumably they said i'm sleeping at my friend's house tonight or something i'm sure they i'm sleeping at your house you're sleeping at my house that's how we do it crisscross so that probably happened and then they stopped by

the house on a sunday morning at 9 a.m 9 a.m with some 40 year old guy with his pickup truck idling out in the driveway waiting for him where they just run and grab some clothes and then get back in the pickup truck with this weirdo and take off get the fuck back to your room no they go in the house i go out in the front yard with my hands on my hips where how's it going be getting the fuck out of here about now huh who are you who are you that's a good question who the fuck are you you need something yeah or pull the Deadwood thing. Morning. Best time of the day to go fuck yourself.

Morning. That's my favorite line. Best time of the day to go fuck yourself. I'm not sure. You can do anything you want there. So they drove back with him to his house. They ended up staying around his house until about 10.30 a.m. They've slept like two hours of sleep.

Maybe. Maybe. They didn't even get back until 9. He woke them up at 9 a.m. They didn't get back from their walk until 8. So they got less than an hour sleep. Jesus. They took like a 45-minute nap to sleep off an Everclear buzz.

And they probably didn't even get to sleep in you know what i mean yeah who knows in there what the hell's going on how you could fall right asleep so either way 10 30 they get back and they go right back out to search for michelle that's that uh they look around they even like looked around you never know they look at his pickup truck they're like oh maybe you know whatever they don't see anything in there there's no like blood stains or you know like uh her purse sitting there some shit like that there's no obvious signs of that so you know you never know so um anyway later on that day a friend of billy's a guy named scott rowe everybody has four letter last names reed rowe wolf fucking all of these people um tate wasn't even michelle yeah yeah

buck was rowan that's five so like four out of the six characters in this have four letter last names that's so weird so scott row he comes in and he says that billy came over to his house on sunday now this is you know he he only has a couple hours of sleep too, for Christ's sake. So he comes over about 1 PM and they talk about, um, this is amazing. Okay. I don't even, I gotta, I gotta frame this correctly. Okay. He comes over Billy to Scott's house and he's like, Hey, how's it going?

Scott lives with his mom. His mom's there. Scott's mom, not Billy's's mom that would be really weird so shows up about 1 p.m they're chit-chatting for a while then he turns billy does to scott's mother and says hey mrs rowe i suppose do you know how to get pheasant blood out of a jacket what What? How specific does a blood need to be? Yeah. Really? Does pheasant blood have a different molecular property than regular blood?

How specific is that? Slightly more alkaline than deer blood. That's what I mean. What's that in an elk or a deer? What the hell is the goddamn difference? But very pheasant blood. Immediately, that would be a red flag for me yeah why would you say that you know like it's so weird so he uh then he and scott row went to the

laundromat to wash this based on scott rose mom's instructions here um they were he said row later on that there were tar like stains on the seat of the truck and newspapers covering up part of the seat of the truck. Oh. That's different. Now, at the laundromat, they washed the jacket that had the pheasant blood stain on it. Right. And then they went back to Billy's house. And at that point, Billy began talking about Michelle Tate.

Okay? And he's like, yeah yeah these girls they went out looking for and i don't know she they don't know where she is still that's weird then he asked roe hey you know they're just sitting around he's like yeah there's a 16 year old girl here i told her to go home now her friends can't find her that's weird and they're like billy's or you know rose like whatever you know continue watching the nascar or whatever the fuck they're doing couldn't find her so i went uh pheasant hunting i mean shit what would you do so then billy uh says out of nowhere hey scott um what you think would happen if michelle's never found then what a weird question to ask right what a strange thing to say so row was like i don't fucking know what do i know about that i'm watching you know dale earnhardt or whatever so roe said that over

the next couple days that uh billy would often talk about michelle tate asking him you know what would happen if she didn't get found and what do you what kind of evidence you think police would look for to try to find her and stuff like that like what real weird non-conversational questions you'd ask like real row has not even thought about the fact he just helped him clean blood not a word about it hasn't even thought about it she's just who knows some drunk girl went home and who knows where she went some boyfriend or or something. What the hell do I care? How nice must it be to be Roe that he has zero thoughts at all? Not even any. Just, I'll go to the laundromat with you, sure. No problem.

Dummy. Yeah, he said all that shit. Roe also said that Scott, or that Billy, I'm sorry, Scott Roe said that Billy, or he told Billy that the cops would, you know, price it. I don't know. They probably have to find like a murder weapon or some fingerprints or some kind of shit to charge people with it. He said, like, you know, basic. I watch TV twice and I know, like, I don't know, murder weapons, fingerprints, evidence stuff. I don't fucking know.

Whatever. Games on. Threw him an Agatha Christie book. It was like, brush up on your own, man. Check this this out it's real good stuff there carl malone's playing i'm watching the damn jazz he said um at one point that billy said to him damn i wish i wish i would have taken michelle home then you know none of this would have happened and people wouldn't be worried about her and all this stuff so then then later on, though, the police are getting a weird tip here. Some coyote hunters.

What the fuck wants to hunt coyotes, by the way? I mean, people do in Arizona a lot. They set out calls to kill them because it's legal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not as like sausage. Okay, that's what I mean. They're not going to put it in a dehydrated mix of jerky. I don't think so.

This is coyote jerky. It's delicious. That's a nice jacket. Where'd you get that? Oh, off of Highway 80. Oh, that's gorgeous, ain't it? It's a whole pack. Sewed them all together.

So on this day, this is still the same day sunday daryl ost uh ostman dave kelly and thane yunker are three guys coyote hunting out in the country somewhere now they said that they noticed a blue uh a blue and white or blue and silver pickup truck backing out of an abandoned farmstead that day they were like that's weird um this ostman said that he wasn't sure whose truck it was or who was driving he couldn't tell but it was a blue and white or blue and silver truck uh dave kelly said that he didn't know uh the driver's name but you know he could he knows the guy from town who it is i don't know his name but he's that guy who has that truck i'd recognize it if i saw it and recognize the guy if i saw him all right i thought i've seen that i've seen that truck around here yeah all right yeah saw the truck once and was like i don't know his name but i saw the truck i know yeah that'd be really awesome if you could do that so yunker he

said that after michelle had turned up missing after that later that day he heard she was missing that's when he called the police to report that this truck had been there and we think it's this one guy that was out there don't we didn't see like a 16 year old girl running away from him so we don't know but you know just we're worried who knows it could have been him we know that they uh we heard that she had last been seen at his house so we saw him pulling out of an abandoned farmstead maybe those two and two make four we don't we're not sure but sure puts together well it's not bad then another thing happens that day a rural out here rural out in the middle of nowhere out by the farmstead, a woman found a bloody nylon vest on a blacktop road in this area. Her name is Debbie Mandeville, and she said that she saw the vest that day.

That was that Sunday. But she said she stopped and picked up the vest. Why would you stop on the road to pick up discarded clothing? What the fuck are you doing? In case my neighbors is missing one, I just want to be a good neighbor. You're in the middle of nowhere. There are no neighbors. So she said she picked it up, but she said she dropped it and left it

because it was all bloody. So she's like she took off. Yeah. I was going was gonna keep it but that looks like it could be like evidence i'll just leave that on the side of the road wow okay perhaps it's the show that we make but if i ever see bloody clothing like that i think i might call somebody it's gonna be your day will be ruined but it might be for the best we'll see i going to be inconvenienced for a minute because I don't think I can just walk away from that. Especially since your DNA is on it now. Right. Now I've got fingerprints on it at minimum.

Now I either have to hide this or turn it in because I touched it. Now I got to bury it. God damn it. If I'm caught digging a hole to bury a bloody nylon vest in the desert, I'm going to prison. They're going to definitely think I did this. I'm fucked. This is not good. Just call.

Just call somebody. So she said she dropped it when she saw the blood, though. But then later on, when all the things came out, she said something. So another person said that everybody said that that's the same type of vest that Reed frequently wore at work. Oh, that's what it is. It's the same type of vest that reed frequently wore at work oh that's what it is it's the same type of vest i guess like a safety vest type of deal so that's how that goes now the police would love to have a chat with billy just to find out if maybe he knows anything he's the last place that she was. So... I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media

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with part two as it airs on max starting April 21st. Bye bye. The official jinx podcast. Listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts. They talk to him at 12, 18 a.m. Monday morning. So the whole Sunday goes by and then they get him in there that night at,

at 12, 18 a.m. So, and this is a lot of times they'll interrogate people when they think they'll be most uncomfortable. So if Billy's an early riser, they might think this is good because they'll stretch him out. They like to keep, you know, if someone's a late night person, they try to get him there early in the morning. So they're not at their best and you're at your best is how they're trying to do this. So anyway, they bring him in then.

And it's a captain, the captain of the police department too, Captain Harold Thatcher. He told Billy, quote, you know, I need to talk to you, right? Which Billy immediately responded with about Michelle Tate, which is, you know. Not good. Either he wants to help or that's really suspicious. So he tells Captain Thatcher that I came home at 2 a.m. and Buck Rowan told me that Michelle was on my couch. He said that Michelle, he said, I told Michelle she had to leave.

She didn't really want to leave. But I said, look, you got to go. And I went to the bathroom. I came back and she was walking out the door that was that and um he said i didn't even notice that she was drunk really he said i didn't even i didn't didn't seem drunk to me she woke up and seemed coherent and fine and i didn't know signs of drunkness or anything like that old girl was drinking everclear three hours ago apparently no he didn't see it uh he

told uh he told that everclear that he bought for them right and he's talking to a cop right and they drank it at his house so all these things add up to i think she was stone sober honestly no i didn't see any alcohol use um also billy tells the captain that after michelle left he said i just went laid on the couch and slept the rest of the night. I don't know shit about anything. So after he talked to some other people, this Captain Thatcher goes back to now he goes to Billy's house at 415 p.m. on Tuesday afternoon. While he's there, he notices that there was snow on the ground, but there's large bare spots where no snow. Like you said, two inches of that icy shit snow.

That's what's on the ground, literally. But there are two large bare spots near his trash cans sitting over there. Now, he told the cop, Billy tells Thatcher, that, yeah, on Sunday, some son of a bitch stole my goddamn garbage cans. So on Sunday, when this girl went missing, some bastard stole his garbage cans, which are so not stolen very often that everyone on Earth just leaves them outside for anybody to take if you wanted to take them the the least secured item on your property is probably your trash can it's the only thing that you just leave sitting outside completely unguarded by anything and you don't fucking care because it's garbage because it's just trash yeah what do you what are you gonna do take it good good that's what i want i want it to be gone from my house i usually pay people to do

that so good i don't care if it's in a truck in your fucking trunk or under your you can carry it away for all i care enjoy so yeah there's a trash can thing uh billy also indicated that his trash barrel also has stolen but it wasn't even stolen with the can. Somebody stole it Monday. Oh. These bastards like my cans so much, they came back and stole my barrel. Unbelievable. Serial theft. Fucking, it's out of control.

I blame the druggies walking around downtown. Captain, have you seen all the druggies? So when he asked Billy, the captain here, about the night in question, Billy indicated that, again, I went to bed after Michelle left. I slept all night. And when Captain Thatcher told him that Melinda said he that Melinda checked their house that night and he wasn't there when he says he was there. Now, all of a sudden he goes, oh, that's right. I know why I wasn't there, too, because I went over to the town

and country, I don't know if it was a restaurant, a diner or something. I went over to the town and country for a cup of coffee and then I came home and went to sleep. They are always out with the coffee. When I'm tired and I'm in my own house and it's about bedtime, I like to go to a restaurant,

have a cup of coffee, then come home and go to sleep. That's what I like to to do my nightcap is about 100 milligrams of caffeine yeah and and getting dressed and getting in my car and going and sitting and sitting there and paying for it and the whole fucking jukebox the whole thing experience i just come back and go to sleep very weird tucker me right out yeah i'm not sure about that so then captain the captain told him that melinda and her friends had come back around 4 a.m and he still wasn't there he said you know why you know why that is i now i remember so weird i know it was only 48 hours ago and i thought i slept all night but actually i was very active strange uh but what i did was, I just remembered, is I went out to the town and country to find a carving knife.

That's why. See, I went back out there because I wanted to cut up some deer ribs. At what time? Middle of the night. You know, two in the morning, three in the morning. He said, but I went back. I couldn't find one when I went back there. So I said, ah, fuck it. The deer ribs can wait until tomorrow. It's called out. And I just went home and went back I couldn't find one when I went back there so I said fuck it the deer ribs can wait till tomorrow it's

called out and I just went home and went back to sleep end of story so now when he'll tell his story and then the captain will tell him why that's not possible why other people have said other things and then he'll change his story to fit that's what he does

it's when you have a guilty person in an interrogation, this is what they do. Oh, well, here are the facts. Like a liar would do? Like a liar. Well, let me change my story to fit those facts.

That's what it is at that point. So he said that he came back and slept the rest of the night, like he said. Anyway, he said that the girls went to his house. He said he couldn't find the carving knife,

went back and slept the rest of the night. So then Thatcher goes, so this is the third time where you've slept the rest of the night where you haven't slept the rest of the night because he said actually the girls said they went to your house at 4 45 a.m and you weren't home what's up with that you just said then coffee deer knife yeah what's up and he went oh you know what god damn it i'm bad i just i my memory sucks these days um yeah i'm 40 getting old you know what i mean you know how it is out there everybody uh you know just not as sharp as i was when i was 17 like these crazy teenagers running around right he says listen what happened was i couldn't sleep when I came back. I forgot all about it.

I thought I slept all night, but I actually had coffee, got a deer knife, tried to get a deer knife, came home, and then I decided to just go drive around. Yeah. So out near Oxford. It's a good long drive, I thought. I thought I slept all night, but apparently I was sleep driving. Aimless wanderer. What's with Kansas? Wellington and Oxford?

How dare you? Yeah, that's on purpose. They were were like let's make this shit the new it's the new newest england oh baby it's gonna be a complete by the monarchy we're gonna have here so they said why'd you just lie four times why'd you just everything i asked you lied about he He said, man, I'll be honest with you. Fine. He said, yeah, you know how it goes, man. He said, I was nervous and I didn't want to tell you the truth because I was nervous because I bought them girls that alcohol. And I thought you're all going to arrest me for furnishing alcohol to a minor.

So I was trying to. So I lied about a bunch of stuff that had nothing to do with that, obviously. But sounds real murdery. You know how that goes. So I gave you to. That's all? So I lied about a bunch of stuff that had nothing to do with that, obviously. But sounds real murdery. You know how that goes. Yeah. So I gave you a whole story that's very suspect. Yeah. A couple of iron booze?

Huge suspect story. So then back to Chuck. Remember his buddy Chuck? Yeah. The 36-year-old where this all started? They talk to Chuck. Chuck tells the police at least three different stories as well chuck chuck tells three different stories about the evening i i i didn't see billy

at all and then they said well other people saw you with billy well we went out over here but i didn't like hang out with him oh well then he actually no we went here and here and we hung out oh we did see those girls or we didn't see those girls. Shit like that. So on Thursday of this week, the police arranged to have Billy's trash picked up. In the trash, they find the front panel of a pair of ladies' blue and white flowered underwear. Oh, no. The front part of one. Okay. In addition, they find a 20-ounce Pepsi bottle, which I was surprised.

I didn't even think they had the 20-ounce bottles in 92. Must have been brand new. They had that much Everclear, and they only had 20 ounces of Pepsi. Oh, man. Imagine. Must have been like take a shot, take a sip type of thing. I bet they were doing. It's got to be.

Who knows? Jesus. That more lends itself to a drinking game, too, because you're taking swigs. So there's blood on the outside of this bottle. Oh, my. There's also some blue tissues, not like bodily tissues, like a blow-your-nose tissue, with hair fibers on them, hairs of different kinds. A top-fresh brand bread bag that used to contain a loaf of bread with blood on the outside. They also find a tag from a bra in there.

They find denim scraps with hair fibers, and they find a two liter bottle of Pepsi with blood on it. We don't know how much Pepsi here. And they also find one ponytail tie, which if there's ever been a in 1992 if any female ever entered your house there's at least six ponytail ties in your house they like fall out of their pockets as they walked back then they were everywhere they weren't even in their hair they just had it no person on the wrist and the thing in her pocket over here scrunchies too there's the shirt was tied into a tail with one around the fucking tail oh yeah right on the hip yeah that's a popular style there so um anyway now the cops like let's

check into that farm area where we heard that truck by the way billy's truck is silver and blue so they're like that matches billy's truck so um they mention all of that. So they're like, let's go out there here. Let's check that out. They walk around the property. It's just abandoned farms. There's not a lot to look at, really. But you've got to look under pieces of plywood over here. You've got to check under that.

A big bush that's overgrown that kind of fell over. Check under that. All just overgrown, abandoned property shit, basically. And rusted pieces of farm equipment that isn't even recognizable just chunks of steel yeah total and sellers too you gotta look at sellers and they also have a cistern do you know what a cistern is i've heard the word exactly i was right there with you i had no idea so i looked it up i was hoping maybe i wouldn't have to read is that fascinating is that? I have gone 41 years in my life. I've heard that word probably half a dozen times, maybe more, and just moved on by it down in the cistern. I'm like, yeah, probably. Yeah, sounds good to me.

I don't know what goes on down there. That doesn't affect my life, that word at all. I just assume it's somewhere that's a very small room below ground that has some shit in it. Well, I will read the Wikipedia definition. Quote, a cistern is a waterproof receptacle for holding liquids, usually raw water. Cisterns are often built to catch and store rainwater. So for farming, for irrigation and shit like that. Cisterns are distinguished from wells by their waterproof linings.

It's not just a stone wall modern cisterns range capacity from a few liters to thousands of cubic meters effectively forming covered reservoirs so that's what that is yeah so they underground general yeah it's down in the ground um yeah absolutely so they check the cistern obviously that's where you'd look like i'm warning the same way you'd look at the Hotel Cecil. You'd find that girl floating in the tank up in the top. That's exactly what it is. Exactly.

So they look in there and in there they find something horrifying. Oh, no. They find they don't know if it's Michelle because it's a headless body floating is what they find. What? A body with no head. They find floating in the cistern. Horrifying. Her body, she's nearly totally naked. Her jeans are pulled down around to the ankles.

A red shirt is looped over one of the wrists and a white bra is looped over both wrists so like it was coming off and was you know caught on her wrists so they took this they took the headless body out yeah and then they had to drain the cistern to see what else they would find and at the bottom of the cistern they find the head they find her oh my god yeah her head was in there too man they found the head at the bottom it was been soaking in water and didn't float heads apparently don't float they sink uh when

the rest of you rest of you floats um police photographed also at this point tire tracks in the driveway uh the tire tracks match the tread on the rear tires of billy's pickup as well which as we know tires on pickups, though, there's like 8 million trucks with the same tires. But for certain amounts of wear, there's a way to narrow it down. Sure, there's chunks that get taken out of. The tires make themselves very unique. Yeah, they do.

Now, the autopsy comes up. This is terrible. Jesus, poor Michelle had been shot, bitten, shot with a.22 in the head, had been bitten and slashed and stabbed repeatedly with a knife and obviously decapitated as well. Were the slashes and stabbings, were they life-threatening or were they like inconsequential? No, they were not inconsequential here. We'll talk about this. The guy who performed with Dr. William Eckert, he said that he found that death had been caused by a.22 caliber gunshot wound from the back to the left side of the head. He stated also that Michelle had circulation at the time of the shooting and bled somewhat afterward because she had been stabbed a bunch before that.

He concluded that 10 minutes of bleeding would have been sufficient to cause death. He said that there were indications that not only was she stabbed before the initial, before the shooting, but that she still had circulation while she was decapitated. Dear Lord. He cut her head off while she was still alive, Jimmy. Opportunity to survive this and not now. Unbelievable. The likelihood of it.

Although he said that there's no way to be 100% positive that she was alive at that time, but there are indications of circulation. So she'd been shot in the head and slashed in the throat while she was still alive and then that happened uh the police chief said quote uh she was not dead when he cut her throat because blood was in the spinal column we don't know why he cut her head off it will probably take a psychologist a few weeks to sort that out yeah there you go that's a bit logical yeah the press asked him why did he cut her head off? How the fuck should I know why someone cut someone's head off?

What a dumb question to ask me. He didn't say. Yeah. I don't know. Want to ask him? Hey, Billy, what's up with the fucking head cutting? What's up with that, bro? The Gazette's got some questions, Billy.

You know what? You guys just go on in there and talk to him. I'll just, I got lunchtime anyway for me. There were also several stab wounds to the neck in addition to the throat slashing. He could not tell if she had been alive when they were delivered. It showed she was stabbed three times deeply in the right side of the neck in addition to slashing, shooting, biting, and decapitating this poor young woman. And we'll find out exactly what happened by the way in a second here so this won't be a mystery of how this fucking happened um they uh

also determined cuts and scratches but no defensive injuries as well here which yeah there were no powder burns and no way of telling how far away the gun had been when the shot occurred so people obviously freaked the shit out in Wellington. They're like, oh my God. Yeah. One person here, Earlene Strickland. Yeah. Sounds like a resident of here.

She's tough. She said, she runs the Shoofly shop. She says, I don't know, it's a shop. Shoes? Shoo, S-H-O-O, Shoofly. Get away from me, fly. Quote, I've lived here all my life and I've seen tragedies of all kinds. This place is mad fucked up.

That would have been a great line. She said, this has to be one of the worst things that's ever happened here. What could be worse than beheading a teenager? Dear Christ, Arlene. What have you seen? How much more creative did somebody else get you know what i mean yeah holy shit so um anyway uh through all of this and the matching of everything and the bloody vest that they then recover and all of this different shit they decide to go ahead and

arrest him billy yeah they arrest him on december 11th the search of his pickup truck found a dark tar-like stain on the back of the seat. The analysis of the stain indicated that it contained human blood. No shit. Yeah. Certain sections of the seat cushion and the truck had been cut away also. There was just missing cut-out chunks of seat and seat cushion, which is... Just cut it out of the car.

Fuck. So ridiculous. Just cut it out of the car. Fuck. So ridiculous. Then they searched his residence, and they found a jar of Vaseline, which was like new. It had no Vaseline had been taken out, but there were.22 caliber shells pushed down into the Vaseline. What?

So I guess that was his way of hiding them. Brilliant that they looked in there. They looked, yeah. They looked in there. Brilliant that they looked in there. They looked, yeah. They looked in there. Now, Tom Reed, the, you know, the friends, his brother and Michelle's friend's stepfather, he said, quote, we're all devastated. My whole family's devastated.

Yeah. What else do you say? So what the fuck were Chuck and Billy doing all night? According to Chuck, Chuck's going to give the word here. Now, Chuck Flynn here, um, the buddy who, you know,

Billy was hanging out with there. He comes to the cops and says that he quote has something he wants to get off his chest. Yeah. Yeah. Um, he says that he, and by the way, he tells like three stories beforehand,

but now he's like, I'm going to tell you the real story now. So he said me and Billy went to a bar in Belle Plaine that night. We left the bar a little after 10 to go back to Wellington. All right. Along the way, we stopped off. Where do you think they stopped? The town and country.

No. A quote, at the side of the road no destination just the side of the road we just pulled over pulled over just had a smoke sat there talked about the world we've done so we have but that's because we don't these two smoke in this shitty truck they don't we don't smoke in the car when we want to smoke that's why we did that when we drove several hours to a destination. That's to like South by Southwest or L.A. or something. Over a three-hour trip, that is.

Right. We're pulling over. Three hours is like, I don't know. I could probably stretch our legs, have a smoke, you know, that sort of thing. We asked if we're from around here. Y'all from around here? What? How dare you?

Never been so offended. How dare you assume from around here? What? How dare you? Never been so offended. How dare you assume I live here? So now, according to what Flynn says, Billy saw a deer at the side of the road, because that's why they stopped, because there was a deer over there. Yeah. So Billy whips out his.22 rifle from underneath the seat and shoots the deer. Uh-huh. That's not how you hunt, by the way.

P.S. A.22 ain't going to do it. Not for a deer. No. So apparently it wounded the deer. Yeah. And so Billy, by the way, shot him, then hopped out of the car and chased after him with a fucking Rambo knife in his hand, caught up up to the deer and slit the deer's throat.

Okay. Okay. So did a hit on this deer basically. And then left it there to bleed for a while while they went back to Wellington. Not going to take it home now. Jesus Christ. We'll let it bleed out. It's cold out.

So they arrived in Wellington at 11 p.m. Stopped at the town and country store to get gas. At the store, they saw, oh, maybe he had it with somebody else. He didn't have it with that. He has a daughter, Billy. I didn't even realize that. He has a daughter named Stacy who is at the town and country store at 11 p.m. Oh, so he saw her.

So he sees her out there. Then they went to Billy's house to check on whether the three girls that he sent over to go drinking were still at his house drinking. So no one was there at the house. So they drove back into the country to get the deer. That was the plan. What a night. So then they came back to Wellington and went to the coastal mart for a while before heading back to Billy's house. So Chuck says that Chuck and the defendant went into, or later on he'll be a defendant anyway,

into Billy's house and Billy went inside. According to Chuck, Billy then came back outside. Listen to this. He goes inside, turns on the stereo, okay? Comes back outside, looks at Chuck and goes, I'm going to go in and turn down the stereo. It's too loud for my taste. comes back outside, looks at Chuck and goes, I'm going to go in and turn that turn down the stereo. It's too loud for my taste.

I guess he didn't think it would be as loud as it was on the outside. Maybe I'm not sure. So this time Chuck follows him in there and sees, he says, sees Michelle Tate sleeping on the couch during this. That's why he turned it down because she was out so far hard that she didn't even wake up to the music so chuck flynn then says that he went into the bathroom when he came out he said he saw billy leaning over michelle quote fondling her breasts oh god gross um apparently he says michelle woke up and told billy to leave her alone get off me. Leave her alone. So Billy slapped her. Okay.

Now Chuck says at that point he went outside. He's like, I don't want to be any part of this. Rather than going, hey. What the fuck are you doing, man? She's a child. There you go. There's a number of different responses to that. None of which are none of my business and go outside.

You've made this your business. This is your business. Now it's your business. That's what I mean you've made this your business this is your business now it's your business that's what i mean this isn't this is definitely your business so flynn then said that um that uh billy came outside and said that he quote jesus christ he said hey chuck i need your help carrying michelle to the truck so i could have sex with her in there. Oh, no. What the fuck? So Flynn doesn't go, that's crazy. I'm going home now. Flynn helps Billy put Michelle in the pickup truck.

So then they drive out to the country between Wellington and South Haven, the three of these people, I guess, one of which is involuntarily going along for the ride. Flynn says that Michelle was passed out this whole time. I'm sure. She's out cold. So they stop the truck in the country. Billy stops the truck. He's driving, turns the lights off, and at that point, he takes

Michelle's, he starts trying to take Michelle's top off. And he just tells Chuck, I'm gonna fuck her now. Gross. Fucking gross. So Chuck says that also Billy had gotten his rifle from the driver's side of the cab up there. And Michelle was coming too. And he told her, Billy told Michelle, be quiet or I'll shoot you.

That's what Chuck says. So Chuck says he wanted nothing to do with this situation at all. Obviously. I mean, I did carry her here, but now my morals are kicking in. So he said that he wanted nothing to do with it, so he began walking away. He started walking into the middle of the country, didn't care. According to him, he saw Michelle attempt to get out of the pickup and he heard uh billy say be quiet or i'll shoot you then after that at some point not directly after but in some point of near future um he heard a gunshot and chuck said he got scared and started

running oh geez oh no yeah um he said quote I didn't want nothing to do with this, so I got out of the pickup. That's what he said. And then he said once he heard the gunshot, he heard Michelle scream, or he heard Michelle scream, then heard a gunshot after the scream. And he said, quote, I got scared and ran to the nearest corner and started walking around to think. I believe zero of this.

I believe nothing he's saying. She was shot in the back of the head. She wouldn't even know that the shot was coming to scream for. He's a liar. Probably not. Or if she was trying to get away, I could see that happening. But I don't see him running away because he's so horrified by the situation. That's what I'm not believing.

I see. Yeah. I believe a lot of how maybe it went down, but not what he was doing. I think he's making himself this just angel who's watching from the outside so horrified. And a good friend that's just helping out. Just a good pal. He said that after a while

he began walking. He was standing around thinking. Then he began walking. He said about 25 minutes later, you know, Billy drove up to where he was and asked him if he wanted to ride back to town. Nothing happened. Going my way? Yeah, cop on in, buddy.

He said Michelle was no longer in the pickup truck, and Chuck said he noticed no stains in the truck at all. Nothing. So those big stains must have happened another time. Then he said Billy told him that he was going to get rid of the gun and a knife that he had okay yeah so flynn got back in and flynn was taken to his home he said he didn't see billy again until the next morning when billy came over to borrow a gas can which by the way he never brought me back to me so he's also kind of a welcher on his borrowing. It's also a thing. Will you tell me now what really happened? Now, for real, he said that he took the gas can because Billy told him that he wanted to go out to the country and burn the insulation off some copper wire.

Oh, my God. That is bleak. That's trash. So that's when he took him home. They stopped at the Coastal Mart to get some cigarettes at 1130 or 12 that morning. Anyway, so Flynn also said that he saw him the following Wednesday night. He saw Billy and Billy informed him that Michelle had come up missing and that they needed to get their story straight. and that they needed to get their story straight.

And he said that Billy told him, I didn't kill Michelle. And he wants to be sure that Flynn will tell everyone that I was with you till 2 a.m., right? Okay, boom. We were with him till 2 a.m. So Billy is charged with murder, one count of murder, and three counts of furnishing alcohol to minors. Okay. Usually when there's a murder charge, they drop a light misdemeanor. They'll cut that off. Mix that with murder.

It's kind of silly. They're hammering him with these so that at least one's going to stick. Yeah. Murder and shoplifting. How dare you? So the defense attorney in his opening statement, Chuck's going to be the star witness obviously so they have to try to discredit him which i mean he i don't think he's told the truth yet i think

everything he said is i think that billy killed her but i don't think chuck was as innocent as he said in this whole thing by any stretch of the imagination i think billy said hey chuck this girl's passed out we can both fuck her and he cool, man. I'll help you carry her then. Either that or, no, man, that ain't cool. I ain't going to tell nobody. Either way, Chuck wasn't being a hero here at all. So they said that the opening for the defense said that Flynn has changed his story, lied to investigators, all this type of shit. So the defense attorney says, you will have more questions than answers when this trial is over, including who killed Michelle Tate. It's a mystery.

Don't do that in a murder trial. Yeah. Well, that's the defense attorney. Well, the defense attorney is going to say it wasn't my. Yeah, the prosecutor. You won't know. I won't know. Hopefully someone will go to jail.

It's going to be an adventure. Oh, boy. We're all here for some fun here we go here we go so the first picture uh here they show pictures and they he's objecting to all these pictures being put into the exhibits oh yeah one picture shows uh michelle's head oh no and shows the wounds to the neck as well oh god and it shows all of that the state proffers the photograph to show the wounds to the head and the torso shows that the head is belonging to that body because they show the head and the torso and how the head and the necks line up look at that shit these go together um yeah they show another one shows the decapitation itself from almost a top perspective as well as some drag marks on the shoulder.

The state argued that the photograph was relevant to show drag marks as compared to stab wounds because there's stab wounds and then there's drag marks. So we want to show you the difference. And the photograph, they said, is relevant to show the injuries and the way in which the body was disposed of. and the way in which the body was disposed of. And the photograph accurately depicts the injuries to the body and is corroborative of the medical examiner's testimony. They try to introduce testimony from his ex-wife about him saying that he would cut her hands and fingers and head off and shit and all that sort of thing

and all the threats. But they end up not, they said that if he's found guilty that'll be allowed in sentencing okay but not that'll show you know character ship but they can't add that into the trial because he was never convicted for it or anything so and not only that but that's not how the body had no head but the head was with it still so that's not gonna be helpful to your case either i don't think i doubt it either absolutely uh they are by the way going for not the death penalty or anything they're going for a hard 40 huh hard 40 means you do 40 before you're up for parole okay so it's a it's a hard 40 that's life basically so

i mean life yeah if you're in your early 40s you don't want to hear that no hard 40 i just done 40 and that was tough that was tough i'll do the rest and then die great and a few years of it you don't want to hear that no hard 40 i just done 40 and that was tough that was tough i'll do the rest and then die great and a few years of it i don't even remember i don't even know a lot of it shit i drink everclear a lot so they ask chuck chuck tells the whole story i just told you and on cross-examination they say why july chuck why were you lying the whole time and flynn said that yes i told three completely different stories to the cops before I told this story. But I did so because I was scared and I didn't want to get into trouble, obviously. So, yeah.

Now, during this, when they go to jury, the defense team here, Billy's team, does not request an accomplice instruction and contends that basically they didn't give a jury instruction that, by the way, Chuck is an accomplice, so weigh what he said accordingly. But they did say that he was there, but they didn't give the – the jury can infer if this guy was a scumbag who didn't help this fucking girl and whatever all they want. But they didn't specifically say he's an accomplice. So weigh his, you know, his information accordingly. So that's one of the things that they're they're fighting here later on. In closing, the defense says, quote, there could be no other reason for dispossession of the body in the manner other than in an attempt to hide the crime to prevent a lawful arrest or prosecution. I submit to you that one of the factors for you to consider is the defendant committed the crime in order to avoid or prevent a lawful arrest or prosecution.

Obviously, hit her headless body in a fucking well in an abandoned farm. No, James, it was a cistern. A cistern. You're right. You're right. There's a lining there. It's a lot different. in a fucking well in an abandoned farm. No, James, it was a cistern. A cistern, you're right, you're right. There's a lining there. It's a lot different.

If you were going to, like, say, sell a car, that's not where you'd put it to get the most visual attention. You know what I mean? It's not like a busy street. Clearly trying to get the least amount of attention ever. This is a barn find. It's a barn. Yeah, exactly.

This is like a 63 Corvette split window found in a barn. Just stuffed in a barn barn. Mint. Just some barn dust on it. So he is found guilty on all charges, providing alcohol and murder charges. So sentencing comes around. And like I said, it's a hearing to determine whether the hard 40 should be imposed or will he be given a possibility of parole after 15 years? Those are the options here at this point. The aggravators are that he committed the crime in an especially heinous, atrocious or cruel manner, which, holy fuck, you can't get any worse than cutting someone's live head off their shoulders, and that he committed the crime in order to prevent a lawful arrest or prosecution. The jury gets the case very late on a wednesday and they don't finish up they only deliberate for about two hours and then the next morning they deliberate for another two hours and then they have a verdict here uh for the sentencing and they say you sir may fuck off

hard 40 bitch is that right that's right yeah they give him the old hard 40 there so now chuck also chuck is uh charged in court with uh after this immediately he's charged with aggravated kidnapping aiding a felon and perjury that's it that's what he gets charged with um that's probably i'm sure they had some kind of non-deal deal with him you know because that happened a lot especially back in the day so he is freed on five thousand dollars bond following his arrest this shit now this is pre-arranged is what this is this is that man has seen some shit been a party to some shit and he's on the street absolutely now there's a weird thing that happens before the the the the whole trial and everything that the the family her family michelle tate's family i mean jesus christ i

can't imagine what they're going through this is obviously the worst thing you could go through they come out and say that that they think that this murder is connected to the Ku Klux Klan, is what they say. Oh, goddammit. Because she's black and Billy's white. And if it was, that would be fucking horrific, obviously. We're not taking anything away from people who have been murdered by the Klan for any reason. But this has nothing to do with the Klan. This has to do with scum. This nothing to do with the clan like this is this has to do

with scum this has to do with a clan of idiots a clan of idiots and a guy who couldn't get some broad to jerk him off for three crinkle dollars a day before so he's going to try to rape some fucking teenage girl that's what's going to happen yeah um apparently she was fighting him off and from what i understand they never they couldn't tell if any sexual abuse had actually happened here any rape had actually occurred. Don't think that it would think maybe she tried to run away and he shot her in the back of the head is what they're assuming. Long and the short of it. That's what they're leaving it at.

That's what they think it is. So, yeah, that's what they've told us. Her pants are down on her ankles and her bra is off and her shirt's around her wrist. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if I buy that. Warner usually does that to you. Yeah, I'm not's that's my point panel of her underwear in his trash yep and that was by the way at trial they they linked that to

her as well so that's the most disgusting description of a piece of underwear the front panel i've never heard that i hate it so um yeah the the um they say that billy reed is a member of the clan the clan says that guy's a jerk off not one of us like we're scumbags but he's a jerk off and a scumbag it's different it's different is what it is uh you know he's a different type of scumbag right um not that not that he's beneath us we're all in the same scum cistern together swirling around don't get me wrong. It's boiling down here. It's just a different brand of scum, that's all. So during the funeral, it was a big mess, by the way.

During the funeral, this was the time the Klan was out a lot because a lot of states had Martin Luther King Day holidays passed and all that. states had martin luther king day holidays passed and all that so they were they were protesting in colorado texas arkansas florida alabama illinois and ohio the federal martin luther king holiday and the fact that these states were fine and adopting it you know when all that kind of shit so they were doing that um anyway in the appeal this is the this is his appeal i won't get into the whole he appeals on photographs shouldn't have been let in and all that kind of shit that we've had a hundred times. And we understand that that's allowed. Chuck, you're a monster. Anyway, well, the appeal is that Chuck presented different evidence at trial than before.

Okay? That's the thing. Now, in a new statement after the trial, after fucking Billy's trial, Chuck came out with a whole new narrative now. What? Yeah. So his appeal here, Billy's appeal is, well, this new narrative. I mean, it's totally different. So I should get off in the new narrative. Flynn tells police that when when Billy took Michelle out to the country and began fondling her michelle woke up and began struggling she called out to chuck for help yeah oh my god and he says chuck says that he told billy to stop and billy didn't listen however continued to try to rape

michelle and that's when flynn said well this is enough for me. I'm getting out of here. And he got out of the pickup and he said they were still struggling. He said in the course of the struggle, Michelle managed to fall out of the pickup truck. And according to Flynn, then Billy got out of his truck with the rifle and shot her in the back of the head, then began to stab her in the neck and then cut her head off then he ran away he was there and saw it all is his story now yeah i was there and saw now let me ask you this how is this better for billy how would you go into court and go see now that's what happened how much better is that so clearly he's lying if he if all these stories

are different then yeah is that what he's trying to say no he's trying to say this story shows a it affects the credibility of flynn and everything he said at my trial should be cut out and then if you don't cut it out um you know this also shows that a lack of premeditation if even if you believe him so either way i shouldn't get the hard 40 either I should be totally innocent or not get the hard 40. The court says, get the fuck out of here, you scumbag, piece of shit, lowest gum on the bottom of a goddamn boot, piece of garbage. Go fuck yourself.

And they send him back there. He also tries to say that the terms heinous, atrocious, and cruel were, quote, unconstitutionally vague. Vague. Oh, those paint a hell of a picture, sir. If I had a list of those words and the actions that happened on opposite sides of the page, and I said, draw a line from each of those words that describes what's happening, they'd

all go to all of them. All of them. Every person would go, that sounds atrocious, heinous, and cruel. Yeah. Perfect. I'd have a hard time deciding which word to use that's what i'm saying uh he said also he wasn't trying to fucking uh uh avoid arrest or prosecution it's ridiculous it's affirmed he can eat dicks now during the sentencing or during the uh even though there was an affirmation here there was two dissenting judges here that thought that he should get his sentence thrown out and thought he should get less. Yeah.

They say that blah, blah, blah. The defendant avoided or prevented arrest or prosecution for what crime by murdering her, furnishing a liquor to a minor there is no evidence let alone beyond a reasonable doubt that he murdered michelle to avoid or prevent arrest or prosecution or for any other crime i think it was because he was trying to rape a 16 year old and he didn't want her to get tell her friend who then told his fucking brother who's the kid's stepfather and then you got you know what i'm saying he's gonna be in jail that's what i think two that were dissenting and what the fuck have you two done in your lives because what are you talking about he said obviously his actions following the murder were to prevent arrest and prosecution for the murder but that's not tantamount to committing the murder for the purpose of avoiding

or preventing arrest or prosecution for some other crime yeah that's what he's saying which is the the drinking i guess they're saying there that's what he's saying which is the the drinking i guess they're saying there that's why they charged him with that um the majority meaning the judges that were in favor of affirming this uh decision responds to his argument by relating his alleged sexual acts against her the majority then states his actions if concealment of the body had been successful would have avoided or prevented a lawful arrest or prosecution for kidnapping or attempted rape. Yeah. There you go.

And that's what, because he's not being charged with rape, that's what they're saying, is that there's no, what, he's going to murder somebody to cover up drinking? That doesn't seem logical. But that's not. Attempted rape of a 16-year-old. We only got him with the drink because we can prove that. We can't prove that he was fucking her, we have a friend who's trying saying he was trying to yeah fucking obviously yeah uh they say quote i own i also dissent from the majority's holding that the instruction requiring the jury to unanimously agree on either a hard 40 sentence or a life

sentence without parole eligibility after 15 years was not clearly erroneous to conclude there's no real possibility the jury would have reached a different verdict ignores the reality of effect of such instruction has on jurors and the dynamics of jury deliberation further the verdict form perpetuated that error that's the form they have to fill out which if you watch the johnny depp trial the jury had a question about that right there i'm just trying to liken it to something anybody might have seen the lesser sentence of life uh with parole eligibility after 15 years is not an alternative sentence for the jury to decide it's the alternative sentence the court imposes if the jury fails to find the existence of an aggravating circumstance blah blah blah legal legal legal okay so fuck him he's in jail he's there for you know what you know what

this year is right 40 years 40 is it no it's 30 it's 40 no it's 30 it's 30 thank god we still got 10 yeah we still got 10 more years billy suck a dick so billy's there poor michelle and her family feel terrible that's fucking terrible way to the worst man daughter she just wanted to go what 16 year old doesn't want to go drink with their friends sometimes you know what i mean like in a 92 you shouldn't come home without a head so common oh yeah jesus christ nobody we all did it so um that said let's find out while this was going on the arrest and the trial let's find out what the on March 12th, 1993. Real quick.

What happened to Chuck? Chuck. Chuck ended up, I think, got a suspended sentence or two years or three years or shit like that. Yeah. Chuck got a very low sentence. I couldn't find. They just kept saying he went to jail, but I couldn't find exactly what the fuck they end because nobody cared about him.

He probably was like a child, not present. Yeah some shit that's it so uh that said we'll pick up where we were earlier march 12th 1993 okay we'll find out what the top 10 uh box office movies are at that time and the top 10 rentals all right and i also got the top 10 singles and top five albums in case you want to know as well. God, it's so bad. Top 10 box office films. Number one out for two weeks at this point, falling down with Michael Douglas. You never saw it where he acts very crazy and runs amok in the city.

Anyway, Groundhog Day, number two, a classic. Wow. Out for four weeks at that point. Out for 15 weeks at number three is The Crying Game. Is that right? Which won Academy Awards there. That's why. Homeward Bound, number four. Really? The cartoon, yeah.

No, that's a live action. Oh, you're right. That's a live action. I just thought of Fievel Goes West in my head in Homeward Bound. You're right. The yellow lab and the- You're totally right. Is it a cat that's with him?

A tabby? I think it's a cat. I think it's a cat. Yeah. Next up, Mad Dog and Glory, which isn't about dogs, actually. That's an action movie, I think. Amos and Andrew is number six. Amos and Andrew.

Amos and Andrew, number six. Number seven, Best of the Best 2. Oh my God, really? really yeah they made a two of that holy balls i think that was better actually it's not easy or not hard to do to beat best of the best one yeah eight overall summersby that sounds boring i never saw that number nine aladdin because it's been out for 17 weeks and it's already made 200 million dollars so it's doing well still in the top 10 yeah and then number 10 swing kids never heard which barely made any money the rentals top 10 rentals here we go uh single white female number one wow five

weeks in release and still number one in the uh rental market that was a big movie number two a league of their own Uh-huh. Terrific. Number three, Unlawful Entry, which I believe is a Steven Seagal movie. Probably.

I think it is. Number four, Death Becomes Her. Oh! This is all, I had a, this is amazing that they're in the top three.

I had a video tape, you know, like a VHS tape, and you could do the long play, super long play, and it would be six hours. I had a tape, and I used to tape the illegal cable boxes. My aunt super long play and it would be six hours i had a tape and i used to tape my the illegal cable boxes my aunt had that and i used to go tape a bunch of movies

on pay-per-views at her house i had a one tape that had a league of their own honeymoon in vegas and death becomes her on it that's hilarious that they're all three are in this thing they're all on there that's nick cage honeymoon in vegas that's. What am I going to do? End up in airport jail? Arrest me. Put me in airport jail. Number six is Raising Cain, which is John Lithgow, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. Number seven is Sneakers, which is a... Is that Kevin Bacon? It is, yeah.

I thought so. Number eight, Mo Money with the Wayans Brothers. I saw that in the theater when I was a kid, boy. Number nine, Boomerang with Eddie Murphy. Awesome. Yeah, it takes a look. Then number 10, House Sitter, which we discussed a few weeks ago with Steve Martin and Goldie Hawn out 12 weeks. That is a great list of movies.

I'd watch all seven that I've seen. I'd watch them again. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've seen pretty much all of those and uh top 10 pop singles by the way number one and number this it's been on the list for four weeks and it's still number one informer snow i was gonna ask really is it followed by dr dre with nothing but a g thing so hip-hop was up there but they were like no snow is much better they were both by the way on the chart on the chart for the same amount of time wow and informal was crushing him they just chose snow over dr dre uh silk with freak me after that we got uh a whole new world with pebo bryson and regina bell it's from uh aladdin uh i'm every woman whitney houston

duran duran ordinary world wow about that? They hung around until 93. Ordinary World. It was a boring song, too. I remember that song. It sucked. Jade, Don't Walk Away. Hell yeah. I don't know what that is. Arrested Development, Mr. Wendell. Mr. Wendell.

What number was that? Six? Number eight. Been out for seven weeks already. Whitney Houston, number nine, I Have Nothing. God, she crushed. And then number 10, rounding it out, Bon Jovi with Bed of Roses. I'm a bed of roses.

I'm the way you die. I'm a bed of roses. That was such a bad album. That is bad shit right there. That was the end of it for them. There's a lot of shit in that top 10 a lot of shit and then the top five albums out at the time because that's totally different than the top five yeah no actually shockingly enough uh number one eric clapton unplugged oh yeah remember that 19 weeks on the fucking chart still number one right and he's number two oh god yeah number two

number two 15 weeks on the chart the bodyguard soundtrack whitney houston i will always love that's gonna be huge number three jesus christ really 15 weeks on the chart kenny g breathless number three i've never heard more than two. White people bought a lot of albums. Eric Clapton, Bodyguard Soundtrack, Kenny G. That is 40-year-old white ladies are buying all three of those. Number four, Naughty by Nature is on there. Yeah, 1993.

And then finally, number five on the chart for eight weeks, Dr. Dre, the chronic. So there you go. Not too shabby there. And there you go. That is mind blowing. And what a revisit. I remember being enormous. Oh, so big.

You know, I had to do that not only because we were curious and I wanted to save us from talking about 1992 for five minutes at the top of the show. But on top of that, it was just a fucking gross way to go, and I just felt terrible. And I'm like, we all need like a palate cleanser. So we're going to talk about Snow Informer, and that's going to cleanse it all, I think. That guy, he must have made a shitload of money from that because you never heard from him again, obviously.

That doesn't mean he's not like mopping a target somewhere that was the most insulting music ever some white guys in with a jamaican accent that was really really really really embarrassing next to eric clapton's i shot the sheriff it might have really with white guys impersonating island folk. Yeah, that was bad shit. It was really bad, and I can't believe it was that fucking popular. That's mind-boggling. Thanks, MTV. Nothing but a G thing.

That was on every five seconds, too, but they bought snow instead. Who the fuck did that? What are you thinking, people? You know what it is? It's because they could play that around their kids, because you can't play mean they don't even know what he's saying right what the fuck is he talking about who cares it's garbage anyway the chorus yeah really that's true yeah different people were buying those i guess i suppose that was like people who didn't know anything about hip-hop were like i like this guy he's you know like like a 12 year old's first hip-hop cd would

have been snow you know like some snow and vanilla ice oh god oh that's true too they just needed another vanilla ice they were like where we need another one god damn it this guy's not as handsome but he'll do and they wonder why when eminem came around people were like we don't need anymore thank you got enough you're gonna have to fight your way in because snow and vanilla ice have really fucking greased the tracks for you you're going right off the right off the rails sir so anyway that is wellington kansas and a crazy story in 1992 slash 93 in a nutshell and jesus poor michelle poor michelle tate i feel bad i also feel bad for melinda because they just did what all the teenagers do she didn't fucking have any idea

that that was going to turn out bad it was stuff they probably did all the time hanging out drinking and to just to have your friend die from that and it's somebody that you know they know through you and you brought her there and left her there like that likely shattered that poor girl's life forever I mean, obviously I feel horrible. It changed everything. She doesn't do that anymore. I'm sure she's got to feel,

or she does nothing but that either one, you know, like who knows? We, I just feel terrible. I hope she like, uh, got better over that.

Cause it's not her fault at all. You know, obviously it's not her fault, but that's something that someone would feel a lot of guilt over. I imagine a half decent person would feel guilty about that. So there you go. So anyway but that's something that someone would feel a lot of guilt over, I imagine. A half-decent person would feel guilty about that. So there you go. So anyway, that's the episode. If you liked it, tell the world about it.

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it's time for those now hit me with the names of the people who would never ever ever leave us in a what we found out to be a cistern ever in a million years. Hit me with those names. This week's executive producers are Jordan Bennett and Melissa Turner, who drove all the way from New Hampshire to Philly to see our show this weekend. Thank you so much, Melissa. Thank you so much. Her dog's a mess, so she had to bring her pup with her because the pup is like, yeah,

she's not doing great. Or he? I don't know. The pup is sick. So she had to bring the pup with her to be in the hotel and uh really appreciate you making that effort melissa thank you what a what a couple of great shows those were yeah good times other producers this week are centeno kennels in canada uh liz vasquez jake ant oniony it's a that's a italian name and onion is right in the middle. That's what I see. Peyton Meadows.

What is it? Never mind. Aunt Oniony. Aunt Oniony, yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. My Aunt Oniony. She smells like shit, I'm telling you. My Aunt Oniony. I don't like her.

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Wapsuck. Wapsuck. Wapsuck. You heard it. You were like, Wapsuck. I was like, really? That's your middle name? Fuck those guineas?

I think it's a hyphenated last name. I believe so. Brent Heilman. That's not a good last name either. That's tough. No. Todd Wurtenberger? Casual Nazi Heilman.

Come on, bro. Come on, man. Heil. Ben Wurtenberger. Casual Nazi Heil, man. Come on, bro. Come on, man. Heil. Ben Van Grunenegger. I don't know. Yeah. Casey with no last name. Angus C. Bell Smith.

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