Small Town Murder - #291 - STM Express - Nicknames Of Death - Hillsdale, Wyoming

Episode Date: June 17, 2022

This week, in Hillsdale, Wyoming, a sizable group of pretty terrible people, all with nicknames like "Chainsaw", "Bulldog", and "Stash", to name a few, are living life on the edge, in the middle of nowhere. One of the group supports the parties with his monthly checks, but one day, the group seems to turn on one of their own, brutally murdering them, then committing some of the most heinous, but least intelligent acts, ever thought up. Equal parts heartlessness, and stupidity, yet somehow, this horrific crime still almost goes undetected, except for one little, unexpected thing... It's crazy time!! Along the way, we find out that there isn't much to do in Wyoming, except stare, that the crazier the nicknames that a group of people have, the crazier they probably are, and that you just can't burn a head, in the family fireplace!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I think it's time, everybody, to sit back, clear the lungs, wherever you are, your car, your treadmill, probably not the airport, but other places, sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Okay. We're going somewhere we have not been since december of 2018 my christ long time is hawaii wyoming is where we're going babe we've been to hawaii we went to hawaii six months ago oh yeah it's just recently yeah no this is wyoming we're going the town, problem is, I'm going to call it Hillsdale. That's where I'm going to give you the stats. But Hillsdale wasn't even a town until, you know, like 2013. But our story takes place in the 80s. They're still making towns. Well, in Wyoming, it's around Cheyenne.

Cheyenne is the city there. It's the capital of Wyoming. And there's really, there's no, like, suburbs to it. There's no small towns around it. The only has 65 000 people in it and that's the most populous city in the whole state really absolutely cheyenne so it's there's nothing really around it so when our story took place it was just kind of unincorporated land out here just if you were in cheyenne and you look to the east you'd'd go, you know, yonder. And you'd point out there. And that would be where this is.

So interesting. This is going to happen. We're going to call it Hillsdale because Hillsdale has statistics. Only a couple of them. But it happened right where Altvan is right now. A-L-T-V-A-N. Altvan. Which sounds like a bunch of gay teenagers doing a show going from town to town in

the alt van like in the 80s that's what they'd call it you know what i mean when this happens you know what i'm saying when our van was a with a teardrop window yeah when our yeah when our story happened and they you know come out in full costume and put on a hell of a show and then go to the next town that's fascinating so uh as of 2010 this area here this hillsdale area had a population of 47 people people together people yeah and way more cows and stuff though than that but 47 47 47 there's a lot of big ranches around this area that's a quick day for the census that's it everybody he just stands and yells one let's take a break all right yeah this town is at 5600 feet in elevation too so it's up there wow mile high kind of a joint here um alcoa which is kind of right where it was

seems to have no people where um these places like alt van used to be like 20 minutes away from anything in the city whereas now it's kind of the edge of the city that's kind of where it's happening um does any of this matter no it's the middle of nowhere east of cheyenne who gives a shit so there you go it matters to me it's fucking riveting it's riveting but i mean really there's nothing here it's just a lot of ranches. This is amazing. It's so weird. I want to take a day and just walk it.

It's so big. It's so big. You'll see these little specks on the map, and you're like, oh, those are 40 miles away from each other. There's just nothing in between them. Holy crap. Holy shit. It's far. Yeah, you need a vehicle for this place. It's not a-

Awesome. I want to do it. No walking tours. It's pretty. There's you need a vehicle for this place. It's not a- Awesome. I want to do it. No walking tours. It's pretty. There's not a lot going on there. This was just a railroad place is basically all it was to begin with. This is stops for people to take a leak. Engineers need to take a leak, and here they are.

All the people here was all agriculture and livestock, tons of livestock, lots of cattle and things of that nature. Tons of livestock, lots of cattle and things of that nature. Other types of, I love the way this is stated from their site, other types of animal husbandry also occurred. What? I know that's a thing and I know what it is, but it sounds hilarious. It is a thing? What's it a thing of? I think that's breeding animals, but not.

Okay. It sounds like you are personally getting your genetics in the mix when it says husbandry like yeah not don't ever call it that i pictured a man in a tuxedo marrying a goat in a very formal ceremony with a preacher and very nice veil mom's crying and shit you know the whole thing yeah the veil that. That's the key. Spell that U different when I say I love you. Oh, man, absolutely. This place. A lot of German immigrants in this joint. That's how it started. Yeah, that's how people, I guess it started.

That's where the farming started. Very quickly review here. Three stars. Laramie County can be beautiful. However, I think the community and culture are a bit withdrawn. It's hard to get into anything or meet anyone, especially if you've just moved here. Because it's a small town in the middle of nowhere. I don't care if it's the capital or not.

Yeah, there's nobody there. There's nobody to meet. The quick thing to do here is Super Day. What? Super Day, it's called. The headliner here is Wildermisis i don't know what that is but wildermis will rock out from 2 p.m to 3 p 15 p.m they're gonna rock miss they're gonna rock the fuck out but only for an hour and 15 minutes there's a very tight they got in them yeah it's

awesome uh yeah they uh wildermis pulls wildermist pulls people in with the palpable passion of its performances, which more than measure up to the magnetism of its music. More than. More than. Someone had fun with that. Including sports demos, skills, slash activities presented by city recreation volunteer coaches, Cheyenne Taekwondo, Cheyenne Soccer Club, Cheyenne Lacrosse Club, 307 Wrestling, South High School Cheerleaders, Cheyenne Gymnastics, and University of Wyoming Athletes, and more. And they put on demos? They put on demos. They're going to come out and show you what they do.

Okay. Come on, kids. Wrestle around in the come out and show you what they do. Okay. Come on, kids. Wrestle around in the middle of Main Street. There we go. Terrific. We're not being paid for this. But the opener for Wildermist is, what is this, Saint Nomad. Oh.

Oh, yeah. What do they do? At high noon, they're going to take the stage. You know, that's where all the best rocking happens at high noon. High Noon, they're going to take the stage. You know, that's where all the best rocking happens at High Noon. They're an alt-pop band of brothers who grew up on the road. Okay. They shouldn't even be awake yet.

No, what the hell are they doing? Yeah, they're going to come out all fleary-eyed and shit. Stinking of whiskey. Still with crust on their dicks. It's not good. It's disgusting. Each other's. Yeah, it's not. I didn't say where it came from.

I wasn't going to say. Anyway, so that said, I think it's time to talk about a murder. You get it. It's the middle of nowhere out here. It sucks. There's no entertainment. It's just stare at the rocks and cows on the husbandry. I mean, it's pretty pretty i mean marry marry a

sheep it's good stuff but where this took place is like like i said middle of nowhere a lot of dirt just nothing going on you know picture when a car drives away you see that dust cloud for three miles type of deal and you can you can hear the aerodynamics of the car for 12 miles that always there's always that going on. You can hear the rubber hum. Is there a ceiling fan out here? It always sounds like there's a ceiling fan on when I'm outside. What is that hum?

Oh, that's that car about 27 miles out. It'll be here in a little bit. A little bit. Hold on. It's coming. So let's talk about a murder, shall we? Because this is wild. Okay okay let's do this now i'm gonna do it a little bit different than i normally do it only because it's honestly the

only way to do it because to bring these people up as they come up would be yeah it would just be a waste of time and we're gonna it would interrupt the story because it's so crazy these people's names so let's give you the cast of characters right away okay let's right off the bat here we're these are the people we're going to deal with um and we'll call them by their nicknames because that's really what everyone calls them okay starts off with lawrence lawrence de groff his nickname is diggy oh d- D-I-G-G-I-E. Diggy. Okay. Sup, Diggy. So there's Diggy.

Diggy Smalls is the illest. So he's here. Next up, John Bulldog Miller. Bulldog and Diggy. Diggy and Bulldog are coming. Now, they're going to be our main. Go on. They're our main participants here.

Bulldog and Diggy here. So they're right away. They're're the stars of the show they're on the marquee yeah it sounds like uh a column in the funny papers every sunday bulldog and diggy yeah absolutely and they come and like steal meth from each other and then you know somebody gets somebody gets fucking uh you know run over by an at wheeler by accident yeah every sunday i look forward to the purple drink uh hijinks they get into oh well they get into some hijinks let me tell you something and they are joined in these hijinks by the supporting cast of characters here which like any great film or tv show it's not just the main characters the supporting cast is everything yeah you know so the plot yeah we were talking about the sopranos would that be the same without

paulie walnuts and you know no that's it's everything chrissy and his fucking connection yes you need these things you can have a house whatever you have a house but you need a foundation it's got to stand there's there's you know, load-bearing fucking poles here. So that's what these people are. Let's talk about some of these beams. And they are beams, beams of light, really, on all of us. First off, Leland Yosemite Brown. I'm Leland Brown.

They call me Yosemite. A small, portly fellow with a big mustache? I was going to say, it could go either way because Yosemite National Park in this area, Yosemite, he could be from that area or his antics could remind folks of Yosemite Sam. Either way, that's amazing. I want to know which one. I hope it's Yosemite Sam. I that's amazing i want to know which one i hope it's yosemite sam i hope he's just always i want that extra hang oh jesus goddamn sons of bastards our nation wasn't to who

and tarnation took my methamphetamines incredible so leland yosemite brown followed up by robert davis now that's not robert he's not gonna go by robert davis you know his nickname is bobby brown robert davis no his nickname is troll troll robert bad troll brown now so sure is it his hair does he is he a short is he does he look like a troll or does it just have tall hair which one i'd like to know tall pliable hair what's this this is incredible or is he hideous so or is he that that that that animal the troll animal from from our childhood that used to break the change remember that thing that like the the chains that were on its wrist yeah break them apart yeah oh yeah i don't know if that was a troll because the troll dolls were with the hair

those two yeah but the little troll thing that was had like the chains that sounds yeah i don't know what that was called though it might have been troll it may it was a troll of some sort wasn't it i mean it looked like a troll if it's not if it didn't call itself a troll, I feel like it's false advertising anyway. It was a troll. It really doesn't have any bearing on the story. No, it doesn't. Either way, he's Robert Troll Davis. So to go over, again, just to review so far what we have.

There's more, don't worry. Okay, I can't wait. So what are you finding here are you finding i found fucking nothing i typed in we'll check it out troll doll breaks chains and it's just a bunch of the punk rock dolls showed up oh yeah that's what i mean that's a troll doll so the troll doll with the fucking mohawk we'll uh we'll uh come back to that at the end of the show we'll'll figure that out. All right. So, so far we have Bulldog, Diggy, Yosemite, and Troll. That's our cast so far. They are joined by John Casselder, K-A-S-S-E-L-D-E-R, Casselder, his nickname, Lizard.

Yeah. Yeah. That one's the most boring one. Lizard. I'm Lizard. These guys aren't picking their own nicknames for the most part, I feel like. No one wants to be Troll or Lizard, probably. I imagine.

Probably not. Probably not. And then rounding out the cast, well, nickname-wise, I love that. God damn it. Whoever writes Wyoming's court documents, by the way, good job. They put all this in there? Oh, it's hilarious. They put little commentary in there.

It's hilarious. They're snotty and snarky. They're so funny. Awesome. Really good stuff. Followed up here with Richard Leonard. Old Dick Leonard. That sounds pretty basic, right?

What's he go by? Dick Leonard. Well, he's got the best nickname of all. He may have chosen it himself. Chainsaw. Hell yeah. Chainsaw. Do these guys ride motorcycles yes absolutely are you kidding me what what do you think they're doing jimmy no they all have they all have chevy malibus and they just drive and they have a crafting circle

that they work on in the weekend involved maybe yeah a Jetta involved. Yeah, someone's got a Jetta. Maybe a Dodge Reliant K. Chainsaw drives the Jetta. He likes the German cars. He thinks they're nice. And then, oh, my God. And then there's a lady in the group as well. She's the, I guess, the mama of the group here. She's somebody's girlfriend, or, quote, old lady, I assume.

They're calling her probably, right? Yeah. She gets called an old lady about 45 times a day uh this is sherry newell is her name n-e-w-e-l-l and in the court document it says because it lists everybody with their nickname and then it says sherry in parentheses no nickname newell she's not part of the gang yet there's so many nicknames that they have to tell you when someone doesn't have one that don't worry we didn't just leave it out she doesn't have one which is amazing so we have bulldog diggy yosemite troll lizard chainsaw and sherry That's our gang. Sherry. And Sherry. That's the gang.

What's your favorite nickname, James? Is it Chainsaw? I mean, if you're going for a badass biker nickname, Chainsaw is pretty good. I mean, it doesn't get better than Chainsaw, although Bulldog denotes some form of tenacity, aggressiveness, I feel like. I like Diggy. Diggy's okay. Diggy sounds like you worked in a mine or something and they just call you diggy you know yeah or or they gave you a nickname but they don't take you very seriously because it's a goofy one well that's

the thing too that's the interesting thing here in the court documents i'm going to give you this which is hilarious this is a paragraph from the court documents. Remember I said when they're snotty, this is good. Quote, the principal actors, they're not, they mean participants for people who don't understand how court documents are worded. The principal actors were unproductive members of society and both were recipients of the largesse of the federal government. Diggy's entitlement checks were not insubstantial he gets he's got like a some sort of trust or something through a conservatorship diggy gets

checks every month it's the most yeah he gets checks from like a not through the federal government i think he gets some benefits from the government but he also has some other source of income and he gets a a check every month for shit so So Diggy's entitlement checks were not insubstantial, and some of his friends with strange sounding names were want to take advantage of him and help redistribute his wealth. So they go on to say Diggy might be characterized as, quote, the goose who laid the golden egg. Diggy's our guy. Diggy's our guy diggy's our guy so apparently bulldog yosemite troll lizard and chainsaw and sherry are all taking advantage of diggy diggy's funding the party for these group of scumbags diggy's the star and they're all the hangers-on kind of but they don't treat him like the star

they just they treat him like the guy who pays the bills and they're like let's go diggy come on pony up for this fucking beer. You get the most money. Come on, Diggy. We're hungry. That's it. Yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, like he's their dad or something, except they also kind of abuse him.

Now, as of July of 1985, Diggy is living with two other guys. He's got a couple of roommates outside of this group. His roommates' names are, quote, Tramp and Stash. Those are his names. Tramp is one and Stash. So Tramp is obvious. Now Stash is my favorite. Stash.

That means, like, I don't think it's about his mustache. I think that's about he's always holding. He's holding at all times. What's up, Stash? That's why it's so great. It's either the mustache or the weed. Dependent. You never know.

Tramp, I feel like he's everywhere. He's awful. He came in on a train. He fell off a train when he was drunk and he just got off and was like, I guess I live here now. He smells bad. Oh, Tramp smells terrible. He's the worst.

Yeah. So, Diggy Tramp and Stash all have a wonder if... Diggy Tramp and Stash. It's wonder if it's like Atlantis down here. It's beautiful. It's fantastic there. It's like Crosby, Stills and Nash. Yeah. Diggy Tramp and Stash.

Diggy Tramp and Stash. That's the that's the band, everybody. The lesser known Crosby, Stills and Nash. Well, they didn't and Nash. Well, they didn't make it. That's the thing. They used to open for Crosby, Stills,

and Nash, but they broke up. They broke up. Diggy, Tramp, and Stash. Well, if they broke up,

it's because Tramp and Stash would spend Diggy's money on him all the time. Oh. They made Tramp pay for it. They made Diggy. Shit's hard. Oh, man. Tramp,

Diggy, Stash. They made Tramp and Stash made Diggy pay for everything. They made Diggy. It's hard. Oh, man. Tramp, Diggy, Stash. They made Tramp and Stash made Diggy pay for everything. He would have to pay the bills. He'd have to pay. You know, he'd have to buy the food and all that. They just make him do it.

Let me do it. And Diggy had enough. And Diggy kind of had enough at that point. So he decides that he's going to move out. So Diggy moves out at the end of July of 1985, frees himself of the shackles of Tramp and Stash, the taskmasters they are, and moves in instead with Bulldog and his girlfriend. Okay. What year is this? 85. Okay.

85. All a bunch of bikers in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming, living a lawless life, just drinking all day long. Shall we describe a day in the life of bulldog fuck you want to know what bulldog does all day the court document describes it as this quote a typical quote down home day in the life of bulldog described in his brief all right this is what he does this is from the from the mouth of bulldog himself this is what he does. This is from the mouth of Bulldog himself. This is what he does. And corroborated with others. He would get up at 8 a.m., which I'm surprised at, honestly.

That's early. That's early. I don't know what's up with that. But I guess, you know, maybe shit's different out there in the plains. I don't know how it works. Or in the mountains or wherever the fuck they are. He would have breakfast and then ride his motorcycle until about 11 a.m. Oh, yeah.

Go out on the open road. Wyoming is wide open, and it really feels that way. You can hit a buffalo, though, and that's over for you. That's frightening. Yeah, the whole entire state is fenced on the highway because otherwise there'll just be buffalo standing in the road. That is wild. It's a scary place, though, because you'll stop somewhere for gas. That is wild. It's a scary place, though, because you'll stop somewhere for, like, gas.

And basically, when you stop for gas, if it started, like, snowing really hard right then, they could just close the highway. And now you live at that gas station for a week. And there's no other way to fucking get anywhere. That's it. That's all there is. There's no towns to, like, drive into. You're on a gas station on the highway. And, you know, pull up a fucking sleeping bag because that's where you live now. Yeah.

Yeah. It's pretty insane. So he'd ride his motorcycle until about 11. Then he'd stop at the Eagle's Nest, which is a bar, obviously, for a few beers. We're talking 5-6. Oh, boy. For lunch. You know, liquid lunch.

He's doing well here. And then get back on his bike? Well, what do you think he's gonna do is he'll take a cab home and come pick it up oh i've had a couple too many guys oh somebody take my keys his name is bulldog and he hangs out with lizard and fucking and yosemite and chainsaw he hangs out with a man named chainsaw and sherry you know he's capable of anything. So he goes there for five, six beers. Then he'd go out to ride his motorcycle for a few more hours after he's nice and refreshed with five, six beers. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. Do they call her Sherry because they all use her? I think so, yeah. She's in every meal. It's possible. Now, she's somebody's girlfriend in here but who knows what the who knows what the arrangement is with these people because they just take yeah they just take diggy's money out of his pocket so i mean why not just you know i'm sure there's

involuntary sexual activity going on left and right in this little encampment when everybody involved has a nickname there's a problem unless you Unless you're like Baca, you know? And none of them are like, you know, positive either. They're all Tramp and Stash and Hellhound and fucking Face Stabber, Grandma Raper. This is Bill Grandma Raper Mahoney. Hellhound. This is my buddy's Hellhound grandma raper uh this is we're waiting for kid fister he'll be here in a minute but that's how they are read like back in the day especially read hunter thompson

hell's angels the guy's nicknames are all you know one terry the tramp charger charlie the child molester is one of the guy's names. It's the guy's name. That's what they call him. To his face, and that's his nickname. It's on his jacket and shit. The Child Molester. Just because of the C-H? I don't know if, I'm sure he actually liked, probably liked 14-year-old girls, and they thought that was funny, because they didn't fucking care.

They were a bunch of criminals at the time. So gross. So he would go after a six-pack he'd get back on his motorcycle i guarantee you there's not a helmet even thought of in this scenario either sure no way bulldog has never had a helmet on his gloriously bald head i'm sure and he does he has a big round fat bald head bull does it yeah it's exactly what you'd imagine a guy named bull dog's head to look like all right looks like michael chickless on on the fucking whatever that is the shield that's what his head looks like super swollen but fat fatter than michael chickless if he's been dead for four days well it's michael chickless

before he thought he was tough on the shield when he used to just be fat and have like fuzzy peach hair baby hair on his head baby duck hair yeah he's a pudgy guy with baby duck hair so he'd ride his motorcycle then till about six six p.m what a life it's like a job like he left at nine and he comes home at six with a lunch in between like well that's my shift of riding my motorcycle which i guess if you're in a biker gang what else you have to be seen riding a motorcycle what else do you really have going on yeah gotta parade it around gotta show every bup he's oh he's still in that okay he's still with them good that's excellent let's see it

then he would at 6 p.m obviously he's had up to five six beers and he didn't eat breakfast at 8 a.m since the last time he ate so he'd go home or he'd go ride his motorcycle or he'd have some dinner at 6 p.m then he would go ride his motorcycle again more motorcycle riding and then go to either the mayflower which is another bar or the eagle's nest again back there where he would drink then whiskey he'd add whiskey to his beer regimen. And he'd drink there until about closing time, which is 2 a.m. That is a typical day? Well, not yet. Let's round it out, Jimmy.

From there, he would ride his motorcycle home as well after drinking beer and whiskey since about 8 o'clock. For about six hours, he drinks, you know, shot in a beer, and then he's driving his motorcycle home with no helmet. So incredible that he's alive, first all true uh bulldog so here we go things go well for a couple months diggy's living with bulldog and bulldog's girl and uh miss miss bulldog as we know her and things are he's he's still paying for shit and still giving them money for partying and all that sort of thing but i guess it's not to the abusive extent that Tramp and Stash were taking advantage of him. It's a shame. It's a little less.

It's a little less. So on October 2nd, 1985, Bulldog does his thing. He wakes up, has breakfast. He's riding his motorcycle around shit like that it's on this day though that diggy de groff that's we'll call him diggy diggy de groff had just received a check and all of his friends were at the house here and they were like oh diggy got paid hell yeah let's yeah he's balling party on diggy is what they all say fuck Fuck yeah. And Diggy, he gets it. It's a $1,400 monthly stipend check he's getting. Wow.

Which in 1985, in the middle of nowhere, wasn't too shabby. That will stretch. Yeah. If he lived in some trailer somewhere, it was probably $100 a month, if that. Hell yeah. In Wyoming, with $1,400 a month, mom rocks an act with a mink on her back. Absolutely. You got it.

Diggy's doing great. Diggy, Diggy Smalls is the host. Money green leather sofas, James. Got two rides, a limousine with a chauffeur. He's got it all, Jimmy. He's got it all. Drink champagne when they Thursday. Well, I don't think these people

would drink champagne for any reason no they'd be they want something a little more kick to it i think than champagne heavy they'd spit it out like who want put whiskey in mine i want champagne and whiskey dom and jack please thisors is spolt. Oh, Christ. So they have a party, obviously. Yeah. And the alcohol, there's shitloads of booze. Everybody's partying, drinking.

It's all on digs. You know. Cup overfloweth. That's what it is. What do you want? He's going to take care of his people. That's the thing. Oh, yeah.

He smokes skunks with his peeps all day spread spread love it's the wyoming way spread love it's the cheyenne way you know how it is oh diggy he blew it yeah well he moved he knew he did yeah he did move so he can't say same number same hood it's all good because he's got he moved away from tramp and stash he did he did but this is don't call this number no this is a biker rap video there's booze and you know so as the party's going on yeah uh lizard and diggy um yeah lizard and diggy now they lizard caselder that is and diggy diggy smalls is the illest um they they get involved in i don't know if it started out kidding or if they got in an argument but at some point they're exchanging like blows with each other. They're throwing punches and people are,

but then you got to, this is a bunch of drunk bikers. So I mean, punching is also for fun. They're missing. So you know what I'm saying? Like that's how they say hello. Yeah.

It's Hey pow. And they have a, you know, pile ups and shit. There's all sorts of crazy shit. These guys are doing. They're driving drunk with no helmet at 90 miles an hour in the dark. So there's a, they don't really have a lot of,

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Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. So, while this is all going on, apparently Lizard gets the upper hand against Diggy and slams Diggy's head into the wall. Oh, you son of a bitch. Okay, putting a big dent in the wall, actually. Dented the wall with Diggy's head into the wall oh you son of a bitch okay putting a big dent in the wall actually dented the wall with diggy's head so uh diggy's okay though i guess he's he's still you know didn't kill him or anything like that i mean this happens it happens from time to time this is like noon by the way there imagine what this party's gonna be like by midnight holy shit oh boy wait till you hear what it's like by midnight.

So now there's a girl named Sue at this point. Of course there is. There's a girl named Sue here at the party. And I love the way the court document puts it. Quote, exhibiting considerable foresight and good judgment, Sue hustled Lizard away from the party. She left with him. Lizard was getting out of hand. You know, when you're slamming the guy who's paying for all this, his head into the wall, it's like, hey, come on, Lizard.

Let's go outside and, you know, let's go look. Show me your pistons again. You know, it's just. Heard you got some more chrome on the scooter. Let's go have a look. You sit on the bike and I'll blow you under the open sky. What do you say? It's beautiful up there.

So that's what's happening. And Sue gets Lizard out of the party. So Diggy, he continues partying. I mean, get your head running on the wall once in a while. What the fuck? That's what happens when you hang out with guys named Bulldog and Chainsaw. There's going to be some den of drywall. It happens.

You're not going to keep drywall it happens you're not gonna keep drywall hole at all you just gotta buy it in bulk and keep it out back and get ready to change panels out all those holes we call that texture around here yeah it's just texture bud we just stick a bunch of plaster on it and shit and just put a bunch of caulk on it smooth it out don't worry we'll mud it shut it's all good that's right i got a bunch of toothpaste that'll should fill it so people do that with like uh like pinholes that's like a thing people do to hide like you know like thumb tack holes and shit and stuff like that so they're like i don't know i'll just smear it on there why does your house smell like crest that smells great in here somebody just pine saw this no i just ran down to the costco and got a pallet of toothpaste to fix that

hole from the door that there's aqua fresh so the drinking continues at some point diggy announces to the group that i have to throw up everyone okay which if you're an adult unless you're going to throw up on someone or in their car you don't need to announce it just go do it it's on you just go be shameful in the corner somewhere that's it we don't care so he goes to the bathroom to throw up all right so diggy's in the bathroom so next up yosemite here Yosemite Brown that is Yosemite stops drinking for a minute and he

sits around for a second he's kind of quiet and then he just gets up casually walks over to the bathroom where Diggy is and stabs Diggy a couple times with a buck knife out of nowhere no beef they haven't had any problems he just decides I'm going to stab him a couple times with a buck knife. What? Out of nowhere. No beef.

They haven't had any problems. He just decides I'm going to stab him a couple times with a buck knife. Now, not fatal wounds. No? Not like, you know, didn't put it to the hilt or anything. Just a couple of, like, jabbing stab wounds with a buck knife, which is. Like calling him a pussy for puking? Can't handle your booze?

Something like that? I assume probably everyone's going to throw up at some point today in this party um diggy's reaction was he said ow that's literally what he said ow so then uh yosemite who just stabbed him goes in there uh goes back to the drinking after that he just stabbed him and then went back to the party and said nah just stabbed diggy why just stabbed diggy so you know there's that he's in the bathroom stabbed him up and they were like is he dead and he's like no no no i just stabbed him a couple times he's fine so then two jabs a couple of pow pow yeah a couple of sticks with the buck knife so at this point bulldog says to Yosemite.

Yeah. I can't believe I'm saying these words. Bulldog says to Yosemite, quote, well, you started it. You better finish it now. Bulldog? Bulldog. This is out of nowhere. There was not a big thing.

They don't think, like, Diggy's telling, like, the cops something and he's, like, an undercover. This is crazy there's not a nowhere just being dicks to diggy they're just being diggy diggy dicks to diggy so um so they go in there uh yosemite uh here goes to the bathroom uh and he's headed that way mumbling something about i can go stab diggy again maybe i'll slit his throat he's just mumbling drunk drunkardly about that um so yosemite uh returns and said a stab diggy again he went in there stabbed him up came back to the party and was like oh i got him again that's good so they just casually everybody goes back to the party diggy's in the bathroom presumably

bleeding out from being stabbed. That's what's going on. The conversation doesn't even go to like, how do we, what are we going to do now? They talk about, well, Diggy just got a check. And he's still alive, right? And somebody's like, yeah, yeah, no, he's still alive in there. He's just, you know, struggling. So they said, well, let's make Diggy sign the check over before he dies it's fourteen hundred dollars let's make him sign this check before he dies and that way we can cash it and you know keep this party going so now yosemite bulldog and

troll has joined this oh the four the forward party's involved here and that's trolls going to be involved in this they go to where Diggy is just laying on the ground, okay? Bleeding out. So he's bleeding and moaning and help me, help me, that sort of thing. And they go, Diggy, and he thinks maybe they're gonna help him. And they whip out

a check and they go, sign this check. Endorse this check for me right now. And he's like, barely can do it. So they put a pen in his hand, put it to the paper, and make Diggy sign the check over, okay? Yeah. So Diggy signs the check. The thing is, Diggy's covered in blood.

He's been stabbed. Yeah, so now the check's got blood all over it. There's blood on the check. It's where he wrote his name, his finger rubbed on the corner of the check. There's blood on the check. Of course. So they're like fuck we can't put it's gonna look bad we'll just put it that way hand that to a bank teller we

can't say no no no he he gave this to us well before anything happened to him when his blood is literally all over the check this is bad literal blood money this is not good at all and it's got to go through someone else. This is bad shit. So they're like, fuck. So the three of these idiots, Bulldog, Troll, and Yosemite, sit down to the kitchen table to decide what to do, whether they can cash the check in this condition. How about no? I'll help you right now. If you were a bank teller, would you do it?

I don't know. You got to get the cool one. They ain't going to notice, maybe. Maybe we'll spill some Pepsi on top of it and rub it no they'll never know the difference i spill pepsi on it that's fine right they won't mind i think right throw it in the washer crinkle up real good put it in a pocket real tight and zip the pocket you got some pants with the zippers on them oh you know what i like your zipper idea don't get get me wrong. But I'm thinking now, listen to hear me out now. What's the grossest thing anybody's going to not want to touch?

Blood? Blood's on there. What's even grosser than blood? Poop. Cum. Poop. Oh, yeah. Poop.

What I'm going to do is. I'm sorry. I was going way too far. See, I'm going to get. Well, that would just be like a glaze. It almost would look like a lacquer, like I'm putting it on. That might seal the blood in. That's what I'm saying.

It's going to seal it in, and then there's more DNA. I'm going to find me some poop, right? And I'm just going to smear it over that corner. What they're going to do is hold it by the other corner like it's just disease, because it's poop. It might be. So they're going to have that. We could put cum over that. To seal the poop on.

Yes. You know what? All right. See, this is why teamwork is important this is good all right let's go get lizard troll tramp stash and yosemite and we'll chainsaw and we'll talk about it we'll get we'll get a pair of each of their underwear and we'll solve this problem and break all right then my god i'm gonna put a net in the toilet and catch everyone's poop from now on they'll flush it but ain't going nowhere i can't believe

so that's their idea so they get sherry by the way sherry is bulldog's girlfriend no nickname unfortunately so lame ass sherry with no nickname she comes comes in, and she's like, listen, I guess because she's a woman, they're like, clean this check, they tell her. Okay? You're like, woman, wash some. Yeah, goddammit. Wash something, why don't you? So in the process of cleaning the check off, trying to get bloodstains out of paper, which isn't going to happen. The check tore.

It ripped. She scrubbed it too hard, I guess. She's probably using a Brillo pad, for Christ's sake. So the check is ripped, and they just toss it in the fireplace. There's a raging fire going on right now, so they just toss it in the fireplace. Ripped up check. Fuck. The check's gone. What? Yeah. Well, it's fucked now. We tried to... Once you get

blood on it, and then you try to clean it and rip it now it's over you know what he's how are you going to take that anywhere so bulldogs pissed off he's like god damn it motherfucker we were supposed to get money out of this guy so he sends sherry uh into the bedroom he goes he says sherry go in the bedroom for a minute and just hang out down there i want you to see what's about to happen. So Bulldog's super angry and goes over and stabs Diggy a couple of times. Diggy's still alive, so he stabs Diggy a few more times. You know, because he's mad at him because the check got blood on it.

Now he can't cash it. Diggy, you fucking jerk, bleeding all over my check. That's actually your check. Bleeding all over your check that I stole from you. And we stabbed you and we're the reason you're bleeding sorry yeah great stabbed him again stabbed him more so diggy ends up dying about 9 15 is what everybody estimates is they just left diggy there to die okay so he ends up in total having about 20 stab wounds 20 20 and they say any one of the main 20 would have been fatal they're all brutal all of them were bad oh they're shanking him they're after the initial couple stabs if they're real deep and everyone's really hacking him up here so bulldog

is like well what are we going to do now we got a fucking dead diggy over here this is not good um so i mean we're going to make a song about it we'll steal a sting a sting sample and it'll be fine so bulldog says well there's only one thing to do here um we don't want anyone to know who he is in case the body gets found so we should chop his head and hands off right oh my god they're going so far to which everyone goes well well, yeah, clearly, obviously. We'll start there, and then we'll figure out where to get rid of this thing. So that's where they're all going to start. So what they do is they pull Diggy into the bathtub,

so when they do this, the blood can go down the drain. This is experience here. This is what mob guys do back in the day. So now we don't know who, but it's down to two people either yosemite or troll hacked off the right arm i'm going with troll i don't know why the whole arm hacked it off so there you go getting it off of there yeah so then bulldog calls for sherry hey sherry do me a favor go into town okay by the way you need to two things in town we need firewood number one and chainsaw not a chainsaw chainsaw leonard the man named chainsaw which if you want

to dismember a body who do you call jimmy yeah a guy named chainsaw it's perfect it couldn't be any better now i know why he's called Chainsaw. I get it now. It all makes sense. Go get Chainsaw and Woodchipper and come on back to the house. Yeah, come on. Well, they need firewood for the fire because they have a plan here. So she does.

She picks up Chainsaw. They stop at a store where they purchase some firewood. Sherry and Chainsaw return about 11 o'clock here. Yeah. And Chainsaw walks in when he walks in the first thing he sees is troll kneeling by the fireplace holding a butane torch using it to burn something in the fireplace it's a fireplace but he's using a butane torch okay so uh chainsaw looked into the fireplace, and he saw what he describes as, quote,

a human hand in there burning. Oh, boy. They're just putting the parts in the fireplace and burning them. Stick a cedar forearm. Stick a cedar. Stick a cedar. You got to get kindling. You got to simulate kindling, Chet.

You twist it. Twist the fingers. Twist them together. Well, fingers go down first, and then obviously arms on top of that, and then thighs on top of that. You build it, you know? Fingers, toes, yeah. You build it up like that. Everyone knows how you do it.

This is crazy. By the way, not a good idea because you can't burn away a body with a house fire, with like a fireplace fire. You need accelerants. It's got to be like 1,600 degrees. You're not fire with like a fireplace fire you need accelerants you got to get like it's got to be like 1600 degrees you're not making that in the fireplace even if you use the forearms and shins as a teepee it's not worth it happening it's you could do that i'm sure it's even if you had a pizza oven it's not going to work i don't think it's going to be rough you got to get it real real hot so he then chainsaw glances into the bathroom imagine walking into this first thing you see is this guy sup chainsaw and he's burning a fucking a hand in the fire then you turn your

head the other way and you see in the bathroom where yosemite is standing there with a butcher knife covered in blood okay and uh chainsaw looks down further and sees diggy lying in the tub there quote with the stump of a bloody arm sticking out of the bathtub oh dear lord this is what you walked into yeah wow this is not the party i want to go to at all like fucking jeez i know we're bikers and we're supposed to be wild but for christ's sake this is a little far and then they go chainsaw thank god you're here we're having a bitch of a time getting this guy apart we understand that you probably know what you're doing because your name's chainsaw actually uh my last name's black so they called me black and decker but chainsaw sounded tougher i've never done this before actually i'm from the pacific northwest my father was a lumberjack so all the kids they called me a you know just chainsaw it stuck when i was little and

when i was actually an artist thing was the seesaw and you know the up down up down seesaw and then somebody was like that's a pussy ass biker name we're gonna call you chainsaw that's not as tough as chainsaw let's say i mean it sounds like a name he made up. Call me Chainsaw. So this is what he's seeing when he gets there. So then Bulldog uses the wood that Chainsaw brought, puts it on the fire. Then Bulldog hacks off with a big butcher knife Diggy's left hand. Holy fuck. Cuts it off and casually tosses it into the fireplace like it's you know a receipt from something that is inconsequential like it's the ribbon on a christmas gift yeah like it's a 7-eleven

receipt literally like oh what's that in my pocket oh i bought a slurpee three months ago there we go i hadn't haven't worn these this jacket in a long time so he uh then he holds up Diggie's hair, grabs his hair, holds his head up by one hand and saws his head off with the other hand. Dear Lord. Just holds it up and just saws this man's head off. Oh, man. What conversation is going on? Casual. Literally, they're just bullshit.

And this is just like this is not a big deal. This isn't like, holy shit. What conversation is going on? Casual. Literally, they're just bullshitting. This is just like, this is not a big deal. This isn't like, holy shit, terrified, we're all sweating balls. This is like, you think this head will go in the fireplace? I don't know, shit. We go into the eagle's nest later? It's weird. I'll just put some Arlen Ness intake on the scooter.

How about yours? So he then gets the head removed from the body with a butcher knife which is not easy you got to put some work in for that then he takes the head and puts it in a plastic bag like a grocery bag yeah and then just tosses it in the fire so they just sit there with the living room fireplace around the hearth yeah and you know with that earthy smell of people yeah chestnuts burning on an open fire and chests and heads and hands chests and nuts and nuts all burning oh boy so then they throw in diggy's clothes and his wallet also in there they only save his driver's license why i have no fucking idea i guess maybe so they could try to pretend they're him to cash his checks that's all i can imagine yeah so about 4 30 a.m

um the troll ends up taking the body trolls the guy you want to do this he knows where to put things underground you know what i mean he knows a bridge to put it under he's got a lot of he takes the body it's got no head or hands and puts it in bulldog's car trunk bulldog also has a car here sure so they drive around the back roads outside of the east side of cheyenne there uh finally looking for a place to dump him where do we put him here finally they find a haystack near the wyoming herford ranch which is down in southeastern uh outside of cheyenne it's technically cheyenne now but that was the middle of fucking nowhere back then it was like it's where alt van would be now like in that area so um there they dump him and then they clean up the car and go back home and clean up the house

and pretend like diggy never fucking died never heard of him they continue his checks keep coming and uh it comes to you know to uh bulldog's post office box that's where he had the address changed to so he had his driver's license so he would just go cash the checks. Wow. That's it. He would pay. What he did, though, he paid Diggy's bills and shit with his money. Yeah, so it looked like he was still alive. If he stops paying bills, that's suspicious. If he's still paying bills, he must be alive.

Who's going to pay a dead guy's bills? Right. So they'd pay his bills and do all that shit. And according to Bulldog, quote, to make it look like he was alive so nobody started asking questions. So yeah, they, and then Bulldog with the rest would pay his rent and have some extra money.

There's about 400 bucks left over per check after all Diggy's bills were paid. And yeah, he said, Bulldog said he didn't know what to do with it, but he, quote, probably drank it up. I think so. He said he used't know what to do with it, but he, quote, probably drank it up. I think so. He said he used part of his December check for Christmas presents.

That's nice. Can you imagine? Wow, man. December checks, it's months that have gone by now. He's just dead. Burned him up, no problem. Not worried about it. So finally, after four months in January of 1986, Chainsaw Chainsaw has some problems here. Chainsaw needs to obtain a copy of his GED.

If you're not that one, if you're not from America, that means this is what I have. It means you did not finish high school and graduate with like a cap and gown or really in any fashion at all. means you did not finish high school and graduate with like a cap and gown or really in any fashion at all so you just took some test on a saturday in a high school you know gym somewhere and they say this is the same thing as four years of high school that's what it is so there you go g.e.d. stand for general equivalency diploma got it which it's not good enough degree it's not yeah that's the old joke there it's not it's not um it's not equivalent to anything by the way by the way i i got that it's not real equivalent so now he needed this for an apprentice training program he was trying to enter

yeah because you either have to graduate high school or you have to have the equivalency there you go so it's one of those uh he obtained his ged how jimmy in a responsible way he said you know what i'm not high school is not my thing but i'm just going to get this diploma and move on no no he was incarcerated in a federal penitentiary oh and got a ged um so he had to go to the united states marshal's office to see if they had the information he needed this wasn't like wow the state so um while he's at the u.s marshal's office he's talking to a deputy marshal who whom he's known for many years chainsaw is friends with everyone yeah chainsaw gets around he's a continental cosmopolitan kind of a guy at some point in the conversation i don't know how this would come up

casually but it did. Chainsaw said, quote, there's dead bodies out there and I know where they are and who put them there. Oh, my God. I don't know if he was trying to show off to this cop or what. So this cop went, well, Jesus Christ, and reported this conversation to his sergeant. And his sergeant is a police detective here this sergeant makes arrangements to meet with chainsaw on january 24th 86 and uh chainsaw spills it all tells him everything which is insane tells him everything most yeah the guy with the most badass nickname is the biggest stool pitch and just coughs it up no one even asked him about

it that's the other it's not like he'll fold under questioning and you know they handcuffed him to a desk for six hours and he couldn't take it anymore he went to get another piece of paper and was making casual conversation it was like won't i see a dead body like he's a moron chainsaw take it easy river phoenix stop fucking chainsaw man geez we'll just got to follow the tracks so uh yeah they end up they find uh they find diggy and he's got he's decomposed pretty bad by now but luckily the cold wyoming winter didn't make it so it's not that that bad it's determined cause of death is multiple stab wounds to the thorax and upper abdomen of the body, both from the front and the rear. The internal organs were gone, quote, due to insect or animal activity.

It was impossible to determine the depth of penetration of any single wound. The pathologist said, however, any or any one or all of the 20 stab wounds could have been fatal. So now there's problems now everybody's getting arrested uh bulldog and yosemite are arrested immediately pretty much because they're yeah of course they're you know they're the ones who was told on who were told on here so um yeah they get arrested and uh before bulldog bulldog is like like the main guy here that they want to get. He's the leader. He's the ringleader here.

But they also, Yosemite Brown pleads guilty to first degree murder right away. And then Troll Davis enters a guilty plea to accessory after the fact and mutilation as well. Yeah. Yeah. They both end up testifying against Chainsaw. Or against Bulldog, I'm sorry. That's the first time I mixed up nicknames this entire fucking episode. That's not bad. That's pretty impressive.

Chainsaw also testified against Bulldog, as did Lizard. And even Sherry. Even Sherry came up. They all turned on Bulldog like that. I knew it was you, Sherry. I knew it. I knew it the whole time Sherry. I knew it. I knew it the whole time.

You're nothing but a whore. To our Rossi, Sherry Rossi. So now Bulldog, he pleads not guilty by reason of mental illness or deficiency. I'm crazy. What? I'm crazy. Okay. So he's examined to determine his competency to stand trial.

He's examined by his own doctors. And anyway, so none of these opinions were that he was suffering from mental illness at the time of the crime. No. He was just a drunken asshole who felt like spending somebody's money. And wanted $1,400 a month for free. And he felt like doing someone else's bills. Now he had to sit down at the end of every month with more shit to do. Oh, Christ, I got to write a check for Diggy, too.

This is a real pain in the ass running two people's lives. I got to tell you, I can't fucking do this anymore. He wanted to be head of two households? Yeah. That sounds awful. That sounds fucking terrible. He's got two checkbooks he's balancing. This is an awful life he's chosen for himself here.

So the evidence produced a trial where that several of Diggy's checks were cashed by Bulldog even after Diggy had been killed. Two different types of checks were involved. The first was for $500, which is the one he received right before he was killed that they were trying to get him to turn over. which is the one he received right before he was killed that they were trying to get him to turn over. And another check was for $1,400, which came in the post office, and he cashed it using his ID. So, yeah, the record reflects that the $500 check was connected directly to the events of October 2nd. Everyone at the party knew Diggy had the check. Imagine a group of adults okay first of all

seven adults should have five fucking hundred dollars between them if they all pulled together everything they own net worth net worth five five six people over the age of 30 should be able to muster five hundred dollars but imagine a guy has five hundred dollars not even in cash that's like you know oh i can take that immediately and go by crack with it like you know your lizard brain taking over a check for $500 and like we gotta kill him for that it's $500 it's not 1835 it's 1985 there's it's not that that much much money to kill diggy smalls for it you know what i'm saying so he's bulldog better thank his lucky stars that they got caught now because he was about to have to do two people's taxes

pretty oh my god can you imagine oh shit he's like april's coming fuck we gotta we gotta kill diggy off by april we gotta kill off the legend of diggy we gotta show he's still fucking alive other or we gotta show he's dead otherwise i'm gonna have to do paperwork i'm gonna have to fake a letter from a doctor to these companies this is really gonna be a pain in my ass all right fine all right let's get the paperwork going so uh i guess the uh they're just in court they're saying that he was enraged bulldog was enraged that the check was bloody that's why he went and stabbed him some more and all that kind of shit now bulldog testifies on his own behalf yeah yeah and uh sherry testified that bulldog didn't do anything to prevent the murder which is pretty much what

bulldog said so she went a little because he'd sent her in the bedroom so she didn't see him stabbing her stabbing uh, stabbing Diggy. So according to Sherry, he was getting stabbed a bunch. Then I went in the bedroom. Then I came out and he was dead. And they started cutting parts off him. So that's how it is. So the jury finds him guilty of accessory before the fact to first degree murder, which is still murder.

It's the same thing is it um yeah for there because he gets you sir may fuck off life in prison and uh yeah no parole he's not getting out that's that so he appeals saying they didn't take his mental health into consideration but he's basically bipolar and that's you can't cut people up just because you're bipolar. You're not hallucinating and fucking. He wasn't. They never even claimed to be there. If you're aware that you have violent mood swings like bipolar disorder, that's your responsibility to manage that.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, this isn't even a violent mood swing. He was like the third guy. Was everyone there? Was everyone mentally ill there that stabbed him? He was like the third guy to stab him. It was like a stabbing party. He was like a pinata they used him for.

Maybe they thought a fucking Snickers bar was going to fall out of him. I'm not sure. Not positive. A $1,400 check. Yeah, hey, look at that. Checks fall out of him there. So that's what they said, and they used,

basically his appeal was it wasn't premeditation because, you know, we didn't think, I didn't try to get him to do the check till after. He tried to say it wasn't premeditated. The check, it just came up

on the spur of the moment and had nothing to do with the murder which is pretty ridiculous because all reason i mean what what's the benefit of hurting him then if it's not for money it makes no sense yeah just to just to do it just to be a it doesn't make any sense so uh they deny his appeals obviously and then uh in august 2019 leland yosemite brown dies in prison here really yeah he was 71 years old he dies in prison and he's cremated and then in december of 2019 just a few months later like four or five months later bulldog dies as well in prison oh really absolutely so probably of a broken heart missed his friend i so. He's 63 years old. Autopsy's been ordered.

Apparently, he had a, quote, long-term illness. Yeah, I hear the bulldogs are temperamental with their health, so that makes a lot of sense. They got a short lifespan. Yeah. That's why they call them that. The folds and stuff. That's why they call them that. He was very temperamental.

His hips didn't work right. You know, there was a lot of disease in his bloodlines. It just didn't work out well for him. See half at night for his breathing. Since he was five, that seems difficult, right? So he is cremated. Bulldog is cremated. Perfect.

There you go. And he's placed in an urn above the fireplace with a porcelain dog next to it. It's going to be excellent. Did Troll and everybody get some time to everybody everybody ended up going down for this some of them had plea deals to testify the lesser participants had but yosemite and uh and and bulldog are the main culprits because they were the ones who started and finished the stabbing so i guess the middle stabbings don't count it's who it's who starts the stabbing who finishes those stabbings but as billy joel would ask who started the fire because uh that guy's culpable too right well they were just having a romantic night with a fire and they just decided

that's a convenient place to put somebody's body parts and that's what they did well we mixed up and threw a hand in instead of a cedar log and we just figured fuck it we got one in there we may as well toss the rest in went up like crazy let me tell you what buddy so there you go that is wyoming back to wyoming with uh chainsaw troll lizard fucking hellhound grandma raper bulldog uh chainsaw yosemite and sherryry. Death Fist. And Death Fist. And there it all is, folks. So enjoy all of that. Hope it was fun. Yes, definitely check out Patreon.

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He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great.

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