Small Town Murder - #297 - STM Express - Hey Jude... Don't Shoot My Mom - St. Martinville, Louisiana

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

This week, in St. Martinville, Louisiana, moving out of the trailer that you've made into your love nest is difficult, but with the help of family, you can get it done. The only problem is that your spurned lover may use this as a reason to go wild, and begin settling debts, with violence. He starts out at the local bar, and ends up at his Ex's parents' house, with shotgun, and a bad attitude. When all of this horrific murder finally gets to trial, it turns out that just about everyone in court is related, somehow, and a true mess takes hold!!Along the way, we find out that it's good to be the Pepper Queen, that time can't heal all wounds, and that when you murder, you're not supposed to do it in front of as many witnesses as possible!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to another edition of Small Town Murder Express. Yeah, and choo-choo! Yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. All aboard the murder train. Yes. Let's get it going.

My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us. Man, are we excited for another edition of, like we said, 10 pounds of lightning in a three-pound bag. It's not shit, everyone. It's lightning. Damn it.

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really pump this bad boy out here let's do it live show style wherever you are on your exercise stuff if you're in your car in your're in your kitchen it doesn't matter sit back and shout shut up and give me murder there we go that was enthusiastic i like not bad let's go on a trip jimmy let's do this we are going coming from new pulse last week on the express in new york here right by my house and we are going to go down all the way down south now and it's we're going to follow our own actual live show selves down to louisiana this is saint martinville louisiana this is south central louisiana this is in the in the fat part on the bottom there you know right in the heel of that boot the you know it's kind of like i always thought of it as like a man with a gut is what louisiana looks like yeah with a pronounced gut this is right kind of right in the middle of

the gut here it's just very muddy timberland yeah all mudded up so which it would be down there so uh population 5,676 people a couple of things median household income here is about half of the national average it Is that right? Not a wealthy town. We'll say that. Median household income here, $27,000 a year. Oh, boy. Yeah.

53% make $30,000 or less here. So this is poor. Median home price, $133,000. It's cheap also. There's not a lot going on here. This's you know, this is an interesting area. Very quickly, a couple of things about it. Review is I got a couple of reviews of this town and there is a definite theme going on with these reviews. They all say the same thing, whether they like it or not.

Here's four stars. Small town where everyone knows one another. Love it. Great grocery stores with home cooked meals and family is all another. Love it. Great grocery stores with home-cooked meals and family is all near. No traffic, 20 minutes from Lafayette. Oh, well, if you got 20 minutes from Lafayette, what are we even talking about here?

Lots of great little stores for quick runs. Great place to raise a family with a public park, beautiful bayou running through, and lots of history. There's nothing beautiful about that that tells me mosquitoes is what that tells me snakes and mosquitoes and gators and shit here's three stars uh everyone here knows each other so if something does happen the whole community will know who it was in a matter of days they'll fix it that's right and that's kind of the whole small town

murder theme here uh four stars it's great. Just go out and meet your neighbor. The people here aren't stuck up. Okay. So it sounds like. They can't be. They can't be. They live in a swamp. Right. They're broke people in the swamp. If you've got a fucking attitude. Shin high and swamp gunk. And you're talking about, you know, I don't know about that one. Well, you're shin high and swamp gunk and you're talking about you know i don't know about that one well you're shin high and you know swamp go so what do you want you got cat tails in your skirt take it easy

calm down there fucking little house on the prairie so the nickname of this town is uh because it's all french in louisiana which is so weird it's uh petite paris so it's little paris which it is certainly not how dare you paris is the city of lights and this is not we'll just say that they i feel like it's lights out at 9 30 in this joint so um things to do here first of all vigilantes on the bayou is one of these events what reenactment of a pre-Civil War battle between local farmers and wealthier planters. So it's not... Swamp justice? It's swamp warfare reenacted

between local, I guess, the ragtag local farmers and wealthy planters. Battle reenactment, campsite, cooking demos, and more. Free admission. Well, how the hell are you going to charge for that? And then the real thing to do, the Kiwanis Pepper Festival. Okay. It's, quote, a spicy explosion.

Gross. It's festival time in Louisiana. That sounds like a lot of diarrhea. Yeah. You've had too much of that Cajun spice, and it's going to hurt on the way out. Spice explosion. Jesus Christ. A spicy explosion.

That sounds like- I know what that means if we had like a big bucket of crawfish with the real spicy and then later on i said hey what's up how you been and you said i had a spicy explosion i would know what you meant and you wouldn't know it would happen yeah that's me too so uh yeah there's nothing like it festival is held along the banks of the beautiful bayou uh teach take i don't know how you say that t-e-c-h-e at the uh city in saint martinville fairgrounds on market street the spicy festival a festival hosts hot music performed by local musicians so that's that's not true um yeah oh yeah drinks and art and crafts and delicious food booths if you're brave enough

try your luck at competing in the pepper eating contest. No, stop these. This contest isn't for the faint of heart. Contestants have one minute to eat as many peppers as possible. I once witnessed two people in an office I worked in eat habaneros. They had a habanero contest. It was to see how many you could eat. And the one kid ate 18.

The other guy ate like, you know, whatever. That's whatever crazy they were fucked up for weeks jimmy like they were like the next day their whole faces were bright red and they were like fucking sweating for no reason in the winter and like throwing up out of nowhere they'd just be talking to you and they go oh i gotta go and they just go throw up it was like three days later just destroyed their whole system it's not good winners will receive winners will receive uh two hundred dollars number one a 2021 official pepper festival t-shirt and well-deserved bragging rights for one year just to destroy your entire gastrointestinal system. For 10% of your monthly income. Perfect.

And they also have a Pepper Queen Festival where you can be Ms. Pepper Festival. And they do that every year as well, the Pepper Queen. I hate this place. All bow to the Pepper Queen. I hate this place so much. And you must bow down. the peppers to be eaten will start off with low heat and gradually get hotter the winner of the contest will be the one who can climb the heat scale ladder if there's not a winner after round 12 the contestants will continue with

additional pepper being eaten until the last contestant is left sudden death holy shit contestants must be 18 years or older. You cannot coat the inside of your mouth with any protective coating. Anyone who wants to do so will be disqualified. Somebody rub Vaseline in their mouth? You'll be disqualified. Yeah, people will do shit like that. You'll be disqualified should you be unable to keep peppers down during the contest.

You won't be able to have any other food or beverage either. will be provided after what yeah not good man that said this town sounds like a nightmare let's talk about a murder let's do it this is crazy and if you win you get to you you get to be the king and queen of the pepper festival of miss pepper festival queen and whatever whoever wins the eating contest. I assume it's crazy men that are competing in this, though. There's no way a woman wins that, right? No women entered that. Yeah, that's what it is.

Enter. They're ladies. Not even that. This is a competition of large fat men whose intestines have been burned out long ago. You're not going to beat them. They just kick their own ass daily. A lot of trucker hats in that one. Non-ironic trucker hats. a lot of suspenders and plaid absolutely let's talk about

a murder here uh to do this it involves no peppers so that's good we have to go back to march the 17th 1990 so okay there we go 1990 yeah not so long ago not you know i like it because it's pre-cell phone right whenever we get cell phones it kind of gets like i don't know there's something about that pre-cell phone era the stories are just better cell phones make it feel like the cops are cheating yeah they're cheating well that's at this point if you watch the first 48 everything is like before they even talk to anybody like well let's check everybody's cell phone records right like what are you talking about don't you have a gut don't you have an instinct what go with you no just cell phone records and then they go from there who cares about leads yeah who cares about there we get cell phone records and then scrape up some dna

i don't know so anyway uh here is the murder and uh we'll start off with a young lady here a young lady named Charlotte Perry. Okay. She's 28 years old. And on March 17th, 1990, she calls up her dad, Kenneth Perry, and she tells him she's in some distress. And she turns to her dad to help her out, which is great. You know, why not? Always turn to your dad there. So she says, listen, my boyfriend here, or ex-boyfriend, I suppose, at this point, his name is Scott Jude Bork.

Yeah. Scott Jude Bork. Hey, Jude. There he is. I thought it was a song about this guy. I think it was, actually. You think so? Yeah, I think it was a song about a bayou hillbilly.

That's what I think it was. Named Bork. was actually i think it was yeah i think it was uh sung about a bayou hillbilly that's what i think it was named bork and the bayou so she says listen this guy scott he took me from where i'm working and just snatched me up and threw me in the car and took me back to the trailer okay okay i'm not cool by the way to do that obviously that's sort of kidnapping at that point yeah and this isn't the first time he's done this this has happened before as well okay because she is they're in the process of breaking up she's lived at his trailer and now she's kind of going back to her parents house and this is the weekend it's happening and there's a lot of drama and uh, so he goes and snatches her from work. A little bit about Scott here. Scott has a 13-year-old daughter

who lives with her mother and stepfather, luckily, here at this point. And his stepfather is actually the chief deputy police officer in St. Martin Parish as well. Chief Bork? Chief Bork. No, Durand is his name because it's his stepfather. Not Chief Bork.

So his mother and father separated when he was about seven and a half, and he lived with his mother. But then at 13, he started living with his grandparents because his mother remarried and married the chief of the parish there, and they didn't get along. So he moved out and moved in with his grandparents. Seems like a stable life. Yeah, he's kind of a, this guy doesn't like to stick with much here. He went to school up

to the 11th grade. Couldn't quite finish that. He just doesn't have a, doesn't follow through with a lot of things here we'll talk about here. He did go, he went to public school most of the time. They even tried to put him in a private school for a while. So his parents were apparently trying at least to i don't know if they were trying to ship away the problem or if they were trying to say okay maybe he needs to be like in a better environment and

that'll make him perform better you know sure maybe that's what it is i don't know but uh he got kicked out though because he had a few behavioral problems in the private school and was a disciplinary problem and they booted him out so um after uh oh that wasn't the police chief that she married the the stepfather the step the police chief came later okay so she separated from that second husband her his mother and then he came to live with her for about six months and then went back with the grandparents so something wasn't wasn't going right here um he ends up as an adult moving into the trailer next door to his grandparents house trailer. Sorry. Yeah. Trailer next to his grandparents trailer. And he talks to his mother more as an adult. They get along better than when they were kids. Like she comes over all the time to see him because her parents live next door to her. He's got a problem with authority, definitely. That's something that he always has. He is unable to hold a job for a long

time. He's one of these guys that every month and a half something else happens. Some guy was coming down on him. This guy didn't like me. Somebody told me what to do. My boss had it in for me. He's that guy. You know what I mean? Oh, that son of a bitch. There's this girl, you know, this girl receptionist and she don't like me and she told the boss that she said something sure i grabbed

her tit yeah that's right but it was just over lunch casual like it wasn't like you know i was gonna stick it in her right there and just over that i get fired it's bullshit right at some point you gotta look in the mirror sir that's what i'm getting at uh that's he doesn't have a real good track record of looking in the mirror let's's just say that. He did some road construction in the parish as well and worked in a bunch of oil field related jobs, too. These are hard work and these are hard jobs. You know what they are? They're jobs where when you do them and if somebody rides you too hard, it's very easy to snap and walk the fuck out. Yeah, it's hot. Yeah. Heavy the fuck out. Yeah, it's hot.

Yeah, heavy. High tension. Yeah, high tension work. And he can't handle the pressure. So, yeah, clearly he keeps. And it's just one of those things, too. He keeps having a problem with finishing things and that sort of deal. So he also worked.

His father has a service station, like a gas station that he owns. So he worked at his father's gas station for a while as well. In between his jobs, he goes and works at his father's gas station. Making money. Yeah, so I mean, he's like 33 years old too. So this is, it's kind of enough already. You know what I mean? You better figure it out.

Yeah, and then we get to 1990 and he's pulling his girlfriend who's trying to leave him out of work and dragging her to his trailer so this isn't this isn't great you know this is all bad what's he doing when he pulls her there well he gets this is uh well the father arrives mr mr perry charlotte's father here uh kenneth he arrives uh at scott's trailer it's in Kaplan, Louisiana, the trailer. And it is to retrieve her and some of her shit, basically. I'm there to get my daughter and get some of her stuff and be kind of the mediator here. And also the protector.

So Charlotte and they had broken up a couple months earlier, but they kept at it. You know what I'm saying? You know how that goes. So Mr. Perry arrives and he seesotte waiting outside the trailer for him by herself so he gets he talks to her for a minute outside the trailer okay we're gonna leave and do that and then here comes scott all right here comes scott he tells the two of them, because there's a tension. When he walks up, everybody's like, you know, it's like a high noon showdown here. There's a tumbleweed blowing through. Yeah, how's this going to go?

He walks up and he says, hey, Charlotte, Mr. Perry, I want you all to come with me to the beach. They're like, huh? Day at the beach. We're going to the damn beach today and i want y'all to come with me we're gonna have a nice goddamn day get some beers in the cooler and it's gonna be a nice time all right and they're like you just kidnapped her from her job what do you say we're not going on a beach outing what are you talking about let's go gigging frogs we're not doing that we're not going that's a holly beach he wants to go to they're like we're not doing that we're not going that's holly beach he wants to go to they're like we're not going holly shit with you we're staying here not happening um so then at that point he didn't say like how about some lunch he said fuck you motherfucking cunt fucking bastard pieces of

shit you and your goddamn whore daughter coming to my fucking trailer that's that's what happened at that point he just went off on a tirade of abusive language and name calling and everything he could do uh screaming mainly at her uh you know every once in a while he'd he'd turn his turn his fire throw a couple at him get him with a couple of shots but then he was mainly directing this tirade toward her um so he then said after all of this the father let him say his piece i guess it's his property. He wants to yell. Let him yell.

They take this in himself out. And as the cherry on top, Scott says, I'm a fucking kill both of you. How do you like that? I killed the both of you. OK, so that's his that's his deal. Then he starts. They start walking their separate ways. He's like, I'll kill fucking both of you as he's like taking steps toward his deal. Then he starts, they start walking their separate ways. He's like, I'll kill fucking both of you.

As he's like taking steps toward his trailer. And they're like, yeah, okay, sure. I don't want to go to the beach as they're like walking toward their car. You know, like everybody's kind of slowly walking backwards. And he says that, all right, yeah, all right, you motherfuckers. If you leave, if you, I pictured him Ronnie Dobbs from Run, Ronnie, Run and Mr. Show. That's what I pictured. Y'all are brutalizing me.

That's what this is, totally. So that's who I am right now is Ronnie Dobbs. He says, all right, well, you don't want to go to the beach? That's fine. I get it. But if you leave, if you two leave, I'm going to take all her stuff. I'm a fucking burn it.

I'm burning it right here in the front yard of my trailer. I believe them. And they went, okay, Scott, we're going to go now. This is crazy. You've threatened to shoot us.

So we're going to take off now. So they leave, um, there, uh, which is fucking ridiculous. Now they talk for a minute she said i really want um this camera that i have and a dress that i have in there too that i like a specific dress

and a camera that's really all i give a shit about that's in the trailer so kenneth perry then walks up to the trailer and he goes listen come on you know he's trying to make peace with the guy just to get his daughter stuff stuff and get her out of there. He's a reasonable man, this Kenneth Perry, because by now I would have strangled this fucking guy. Wouldn't you have? Forget it. I don't know what you do.

There's going to be a fight. He's looking for it, and he's going to get it. You kidnap my daughter, then scream obscenities at her and threaten to kill her in my presence. You're going down, period. That's it. I'm sorry sorry it's happening i'm sure kenny doesn't have a gun with him well kenny's trying to be a peacemaker that's the thing he just wants to get he's like listen get you away from here over to our house where you're safe and get the fuck away from this guy give me the dress and the kodak and we'll get out of here that's it so as he walks up and talks

to him he says hey listen man you know what the hell here this is getting silly this is crazy as he's talking he looks down and notices that scott is holding a gun and he sees the barrel of the gun pointed at him and he's like he turns around he tells he tells uh charlotte get in the car yeah never mind we're gonna look for a camera they're gonna go to Sears now instead. I'm going to buy you so many dresses, baby. Let's go home. It's all good. So Kenneth backs off.

He backs off and gets in the car, and the two of them drive away. So you know what I mean? That's averted. Yeah. You knew you thought there was going to be blood in that trailer yard. You just knew it. Blood on that lattice. So anyway, this is fucking crazy.

So at that point, they called the cops on him. Yes. Okay. Kenneth got home. He called the cops. So they arrived. The Vermilion Parish Sheriff's Department guy arrives here, Deputy Stan Swire. And he says that when he arrives at the trailer, what he finds is a small fire in the front of the trailer

with all of Mrs. Perry's belongings burning in it, and Scott is nowhere to be found in the residence. He's littered shit on fire and then left. He just leave an unattended personal belongings fire? He left an unattended personal belongings fire right in the front yard. That's unbelievable. That is crazy. It's not not a fire pit it's just in the yard it's just laying there so he's not even doing it to like enjoy it if he's not standing there watching it no he was like bitch take that i'm gonna go drink now and then he stomped off somewhere so that was that all right that's a crazy day but that day is yeah that day ends without with minimal violence

we'll put it that way no no bloodshed anyway so that's good all right a month goes by oh a whole month goes by and there's a guy named terry uh shit like leijon leijon and you never know how to pronounce the names in louisiana because a lot of times they're french names but they they'll pronounce them like Americanized or, you know, it was like kind of Southernized. And then sometimes they're very French. And who the fuck knows? It's L-O-I-G-N-O-N. Loignan. Loignan.

I don't know. Loignan. Loignan. Terry Loignan. Either way, he owns the barn. The barn lounge is what he owns. A bar. And in gee what the fuck is this guaydan g-u-e-y-d-a-n what the fuck does that spell that's not a word guaydan louisiana

guidan louisiana in guido louisiana here a lot of italians came through there you never know this could be what it was big fans yeah in the 1900s there they a lot of them went to south america first and they just said oh this isn't what i wanted we heard america literally they said the wrong america and then they went up and that was the the entry point was louisiana specified i'm sorry yeah and there was a then there was some incidents down there most Most of us left. Quite a few incidents if you look those up. Anyway, so they end up – this Terry guy sees Scott Bork at his bar about a month later. It's April 15, 1990. So give or take a couple of days.

This Terry Leugnan sees Scott at the bar between 9 and 10 p.m. Magnon sees Scott at the bar between 9 and 10 p.m. And he said that he knew he knows that Scott owns and possesses and carries a nickel plated nine millimeter pistol and a shotgun. Carries them always known to have the shotty in his car, the pistol on him. He said he saw the pistol in his possession that night, which is what I found when he pulled his money out that's it he's like hold on a minute this is bothering me it's just uncomfortable so cheryl you're not supposed to have no no no even in arizona which is like you know just pick no just grab a gun fucking carry wave it around not do it in court nobody cares like even there you're not allowed to have guns in bars that's

the one thing yeah hello yeah waving your gun at someone and isn't it also that if you uh if you're drinking that you're not allowed to possess a firearm in arizona isn't that part of it i know that i know that if you are uh if if a gun is used and you're drunk you are in trouble more for sure so i bet you're right but i think it's a charge like you're drunk, you are in trouble more for sure. So I bet you're right. But I think it's a charge like you're not allowed to have the weapon if you're intoxicated either. It makes sense. Or drinking at all. I thought.

I could be wrong. Maybe not. So either way, it doesn't matter. So he's at the bar. This Cheryl Oberg is the bartender at the barn. She says she serves Scott a single shot of tequila around 10 p.m. So 10 p.m. tequila shot. And they watched him.

Everybody at the bar said he was walking, talking normally. He wasn't shit-faced. Not like he pre-gamed or anything. They said he left the bar about 10 or 10.30. That's when he left the bar. But before he left the bar, there was some action. There's a man named Jasper Fontenot, which only exists in Louisiana.

There's no Jasper Fontenot which only exists in louisiana there's no jasper fontenot is anywhere else in america besides louisiana the phone book is full of them if you look at them in america but they all say la next to them yeah they all are like from southern louisiana that's the problem a lot of baton rouge fontenots that's a whole line of jaspers i I'm sure. Oh, man. So the Shreveport Fontenots are everywhere. The popular family. Oh, yeah. So they said that I guess Loignan was playing pool with a guy. So Scott asked Loignan, is that Jasper Fontenot you're playing pool with?

Which if you know the guy's full name you should be able to recognize him that's pretty weird pick him out if you know first and last yeah so later on loignan and he said yeah that's that's that's all jasper you know so later on loignan saw scott and fontenot talking to each other but they didn't appear to be arguing they're just chatting so maybe he knew fontenot from back in the day. So at this point, Scott asks Leugnan, the bar owner, for permission to use the phone at his residence. I guess there's no phone in the bar for some reason. It's 1990.

I don't know what's going on. Can we go to your house? Can we go to your house, which is next door, to use the phone? So he does that. And then Scott comes back 10 or 15 minutes later, sits at the end of the bar. A little while later, Leugnan saw him, saw Scott come around a corner of the bar, take out his pistol,

and say, quote, I'll take care of this shit. What? Okay. Leugnan grabbed his hand and said, oh, hey, calm down. No, let's not have gunplay in the bar here. This is all this gun, man.

And as he did that, and this is why you don't want to have guns when you're drinking. Shit's a little loose. As he fucking did that, the gun discharges a shot into the floor. So he was squeezing that shit. He was ready to go. So Leugnan releases his hand, which he should have said have said now get the fuck out never come back into my bar you just put a hole in my floor right and see push uh instead scott pushes loignan away and just shoots jasper just shot him right there shoots jasper starts shooting him up then shot him once jasper you know ah i'm going

down i'm dying here then he looks around and says scott says that wasn't enough and shoots him two more times wow then he turned and left the bar at 10 or 10 30 so evidently no reason no uh there is a reason which is insane so there there was three other eyewitnesses there that saw him shoot jasper he did this in front of five people which is crazy they found four spent nine millimeter casings and one bullet removed from the bar and uh jesus christ they'd said that the uh to cause of death was a single gunshot wound to the chest, and they recovered that, and they recovered a couple more. And one person here said that the bullet recovered from the bar, and the bullet, oh, this is the,

the lab says this, that all of them were fired from the same pistol, so we know that, okay? Wasn't somebody at the bar that said that? No, it wasn't just the bartender. I looked at these, I had a couple of drinks, and then I looked it over. They're all from the same gun. They said that because they saw them come out of the gun.

I think that's why. So he shoots up Jasper and takes off, just leaves the bar. Where's he going to go? He has to know that he's in trouble now. By the way, this is Easter Sunday, so happy Easter, everybody. A shot of tequila and uh he is risen he is risen well he is he has fallen now depending on who he is whether it's scott or jasper we're not sure yet but perhaps scott is testing that well it could be we don't know jasper could have risen from the dead by now. We have no idea. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper.

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okay, I'm going to go over to the Perry's house and talk to old Charlotte now. Now it's time. My juices are flowing. It's a good time to conversate let's get it rolling hey jude i shot this guy took a handgun shot him in the chest now five people saw me do it in broad daylight because Because I'm a fucking moron. Oh, God.

I ran to my car. Let's go talk to Char. Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte. Oh, God. I burned all of your shit in my front yard.

Please don't burn all of my shit. I just want that camera and one dress. This song would be fun. This is a crazy one. Plenty of information to write a whole new Hey Jude. Well, let's keep that pen off the paper for one moment here there's some shit coming here all right so where is he heading over to charlotte's uh where charlotte is there also theresa is there who is charlotte's mother she is 49 um her uh i guess

charlotte or theresa's this is char is Charlotte's also brother is their younger brother. And her friend named Carol Romero is there as well. There's a bunch of people at the house. Is dad there? We'll find out. Don't worry. So he they are here. If they dinner about 730 and the phone rang and she'd been, I i guess receiving threatening calls from him for it goes

on all the time now it's been a while yeah yeah that's that's a louisiana hello that's what that is hello ring ring hello i'm gonna kill you bitch click well that's just it's just scott saying hi like no one's doing anything about this what the fuck man the cops don't do anything like they know who it is so he when theresa would answer the call at the same time that was when charlotte answered the call when theresa would answer the mother scott would tell her quote miss perry tell charlotte i love her and i love you and then he would hang up what uh yeah theresa would say sure sure scott and then he would hang up fucking creep you fucking freak and then he's like i love her can you put her on the phone darling

why sure here you go thank you hello you fucking bitch god i'm gonna kill you i'm gonna cut your throat and then i'm gonna kill your father i'll put you on top of each other and bury you out in the swamp land weird so he had said similar things in the past and this is what happened this particular day so i guess uh kenny who is the younger brother of charlotte he left the house between 10 and 10 30 p.m and uh i guess uh charlotte took a bath while her mother and Carol Romero went into a bedroom and watched television. All right. About 11 p.m. here. Oh, no, that's the father.

The father left between 10 and 10.30, so he's gone. Okay, now, 17-year-old brother comes home, Charlotte. Is he Kenny also? His name is Michael. Okay. He came home. Teresa talked to the kids in the kitchen but then went in bedroom, and she kind of dozed off, the mother. Okay, Teresa.

Soon after that, Michael Perry, the 17-year-old, he hears a knock on the door, on the back door. Charlotte's in a nightgown, and she started to walk down the hall. Michael looks out, and he sees it is, lo and behold, it's Scott at the door. So he just opens the door. He doesn't say a word now, Scott. He just wordlessly walks past Michael. Okay. I don't even pay him a bit of attention.

Down the hall where he sees Charlotte. Michael, as Scott's walking by, notices that Scott has a shotgun with a pistol grip. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's ready for business. Yeah. And so Scott shouts out, Charlotte, come here. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Now, Michael then grabbed his keys, closed the door, ran outside, slammed the door behind him to go get help. Best of luck, people. Gotta go. I'll get someone to clean it up after i'll avenge your dad drives away but i mean he has someone what are you gonna do he's 17 and he's scared to death and he does most importantly he doesn't have a shotgun with a pistol grip that's the issue so that's the other guy he does so he takes off hiding factor he speeds as fast as he can to a police to a police station which is very close by so it's that's why it's right there and uh he tells the officer on duty

there's a man with a gun at his house and pretty sure he's going to use it he's pretty fucking crazy here's my address and then michael gets back in his car and takes off what fucking cop would say all right go back to the scene of the dangerous we'll see you there we'll meet y'all there bye who what cops wouldn't go no no no no no no no you're not going back there you're 17 and we're gonna have an armed standoff possibly so you're not gonna be in the middle of that please they were just like all right then and he took off okay they i feel like they should have been taking off simultaneously as well when you hear the information of yeah there's a man in my house with a shotgun whoever took the report should have

said johnson you head there uh we'll get more information out of this kid i'll get that well i'll radio it to you some shit so um anyway he goes now theresa is awoken she wasn't in a deep sleep at all she's awoken by scrambling sounds. What the hell's going on here in the hallway? So she opens the bedroom door, and she sees Scott pulling Charlotte down the hallway. He's just taking her. Like, you know, King Kong. He's going to climb a building and hold her.

Just by the arm? Yeah, just dragging her away. So Teresa yells at him that they're not doing this to my daughter. Stop this. And she grabs the other side and tries to pull her this way. So now there's a tug of war, you know, stretch Armstrong situation going on here with this poor woman in the fucking hallway. And the two women are much smaller than her than him, though. And he just drags both of them down the hallway is what ends up happening.

So pulls him down the hall into the den they pass the kitchen counter and everything and this is the first time theresa sees that he's got a shotgun because the hall light was off yeah the kitchen lights on so once they get there she goes holy shit he's got a shotgun and his fingers on the trigger this is frightening yeah so he looks at she looks over at scott just as he raises the shotgun and puts it to her throat to Teresa's throat. Listen here, mom. So she grabs the barrel of the blast and she fell face down on the floor and uh right before he right before uh uh this he but this whole time charlotte's going no scotty please i don't want to go i don't want to go leave me alone so at this point theresa is still conscious she tries to rise from the floor to help her daughter more because now he shot Teresa.

She fell down and now he resumed dragging Charlotte. And she's screaming, no, no. I'm trying to help my mother here. So her mother, Teresa, tries to get up, but she can't get up. She falls back down to the floor. And when she looks at her hand, she sees that her thumb's been shot off. I guess it was in front of the barrel. So she thought she was going to die at that point,

and she's just bleeding everywhere, and she kind of falls down. Now, Carol Romero comes out after that, walks down the hallway to find Teresa face down and bleeding with a hole in her at that point. He sees Scott coming out the back door and backing out of the back door, looking in the house and and uh this

woman can hear charlotte but can't see her so she's probably out there too so um that's how that goes he she didn't know if theresa was alive until theresa said that hey my fucking that guy shot me and took charlotte so you know hey might want to tell somebody about that. So she tells Teresa, her friend tells Teresa not to get up. You're bleeding. I'll call an ambulance. You know, we'll do that. So they get her a towel to wrap her hand and get a blanket because she's shivering from blood loss and she's cold. And also she's now saying, where's Michael? Where's Michael? She thinks that they killed michael too

it's at this moment that uh um she hadn't seen her so the the friend romero she walks out to the edge of the porch and at that point from the porch she sees scott trying to force charlotte into his four-door chevy corsica just Oh, of course he drives a Corsica. Yeah, it's just like, that's probably an ex-rental, you know what I mean? So she was fighting back and saying, let me go, let me go.

And, you know, he was trying to push her in. So Romero, she goes back into the house and calls who? The police again? No, calls Ms. Perry's grandfather teresa's father you're gonna get more elderly people over yeah let's come on down here i'm sure you're not awake since you're you know in your late 70s but maybe come on down here and wrestle with a man with a shotgun i'm gonna

rouse you from a deep sleep you've been asleep in since 4 p.m yeah he's got he's got to be up at 3 30 in the morning what do you want so when old people get up sometimes so as she's talking to the grandfather she hears a shot go off and she goes outside so uh it is at this point where she sees that michael perry who had just returned from the police station and parked his car directly across the street from the house there he saw scott just as he was he saw he had pulled up just as he was scott and charlotte were coming out of the house so all this is kind of going on at the same time he saw michael saw his sister resisting the hallway so when they were about you know he was about 10 feet from the car when uh michael god damn it when

scott and charlotte were about 10 feet from scott's car um that he saw that uh charlotte just stopped and like wouldn't go any further like she was trying to dress scott was trying to drag him so it's at that point that he just let charlotte go stop dragging her and shot her with his nine millimeter instead wow so um michael gets out of the car and runs toward his sister obviously uh when scott looked over at michael uh there when scott looked over at him michael stopped and ran back to his car like why i'm not gonna get shot too that's not gonna help my sister if both of us are fucking dead in the road so this is fucking crazy um as soon as michael took off that's when scott walked back to charlotte raised her pistol his pistol up and shot her three more times as she was laying on the ground

boom boom boom like a fucking just like a hit like a you know terrible except everybody knows who did it he's in the driveway he did it in front of her brother for christ's sake and with romero watching out the doorway i mean he likes to kill in front of people it's a show for him there's no privacy to it but at this point he has nothing to lose because everybody in the bar already saw him kill somebody and that's the thing oh by the way do you know why he killed him no he killed jasper just no you didn't tell me well i was gonna tell you at the end but i'd rather tell you now he killed jasper because he had done scott had done some work on jasper's car about a year and a half ago and jasper still owed him a few bucks for repairs and so he shot him over it so he shot him in a bar in front of witnesses which is take care of

this shit right now that's what it was i'm gonna take care of this shit. He's not going to pay me. All right. So, fuck. So, anyway, as soon as he shoots her three more times, then Scott runs to his car, throws his two guns in the backseat, speeds away. Okay. So, by this time, the friend had come out again, Romero. She saw this whole thing. She saw him use both hands to point the pistol and shoot at her. Aimed real well on the ground three times. Pop, pop, pop. She saw him speed away. She point the pistol and shoot at her. Aimed real well on the ground three times. Pop, pop, pop. She saw him speed away.

She saw Michael Perry standing across the street. Inside the house, Teresa heard the shots. She's still conscious at this point. And she believed that Scott had killed her kids. Both of them, she assumed there. So Romero ran back into the house to comfort her. Michael gets into his car follow scott yeah well what the fuck's the cops to get his license plate number who fucking cares it's scott jude

bork that's it his fucking stepfather's the goddamn deputy guy find him now what the fuck are you talking who cares his license plate number white corsica it's a small town who gives a shit guy with blood on him find that guy white car trailer yeah white car bloody shirt yeah we know his fucking address we don't need this so anyway um oh my god follows to get the license plate uh he stopped at a gas station to write the number down then went to his grandfather's house to tell him what happened after that michael drove home and found cops at the scene, obviously. So, yeah, there's a patrol officer there, was the first on the scene,

checked Charlotte, found no pulse. After she went in the house, she found Teresa lying down and called for an ambulance. When Michael came in, the cop questioned him, obviously. I mean, they don't know what the fuck's going on. As a result of his information

they got an arrest warrant for scott right away so other officers arrived they secured the crime scene spent uh spent shell casings were retrieved right all around her charlotte's body shotgun pellets were found in the residence and the floor and the wall along it's everywhere man it's it's it's wild here um they take all the evidence obviously cause of death was multiple gunshot wounds which caused massive bleeding and resulted in cardiac arrest he found a deep cut on her right wrist which i don't know where that came from i don't know if it was a bullet graze or what but found one bullet traveled through her left hand and into her head lodging in the left side of her neck. So tried to put her hand up to block it.

Defensive wound, obviously, which is fucking sad. The wound was potentially fatal, but it wasn't immediately fatal. Another one entered her body in the right chest, passed through a lung, exited through the victim's back. Fuck, Charlotte's back. That's brutal.

The fatal bullet entered the left neck, traveled through the chest cavity into the abdominal cavity, and tore apart the heart and damaged the liver and lodged in the muscles of the back. So that's fucking awful, man. Anyway, they do all the crime lab shit and everything is, you know, they have shit to compare it to. Obviously, there's shell casings and everything else there. They determined that he shot her from somewhere from six to 24 inches away. Way too close.

Jesus. Very fucking close there, obviously. Extremely fucking close. They said that Teresa ends up surviving, though. She has a gaping wound of the right shoulder, eight inches by five inches in diameter. Good Lord. Close-up shotgun wound extending from the base of the neck to the tip of the shoulder. The major artery and vein had not been severed.

She still could have bled to death had she not got prompt medical assistance. Her left thumb had been shot away at the joint so that was that and um obviously if it shot her under the chin she would have been dead clearly so she saved her own life there so he takes off he's gone all night all right april 16th which is that morning you know it's the same night he there's a guy named ian robinson who's a photographer from england okay and he gets woken up by a knocking at his door uh he's at his friend's apartment in uh meditary pencil louisiana and that's where he's staying and he opens the door and sees scott who asked if the

guy who rents the apartment is home not ian and he said no he's not here but you can come inside if you want i don't know it's not my fucking house so the guy told ian and he said no he's not here but you can come inside if you want i don't know it's not my fucking house so the guy told ian robinson doesn't know this guy just some strange englishman okay says quote i gotta get away i gotta escape and then he said i just shot or i just shot and maybe killed three people jesus christ how about my name's scott by the way nice to meet you rob I left England for this. Yeah. Robinson, I guess, had trained as a social worker, and he thought he could calm the guy down and everything.

So he asked him his name and said, why don't you talk to me? Tell me what's going on. So Scott asked for a drink. Ian Robinson hands him a bottle of vodka. There's a big drink. No. So he observed that the speech was normal um you know scott's wasn't slurring his words he wasn't tipsy he didn't seem drunk or anything like that

he did notice a pistol stuffed into his pants oh boy and uh after a couple minutes he took it out put it on the coffee table he's a little uncomfortable imagine this crazy guy comes in i shot some people then he takes a gun out and puts it on the coffee table. I'm terrified of that. So he attempts to make some calls and couldn't reach anybody from that. On the third call, Robinson reaches the bar, not a cop, a bartender, he calls at a place called Lefty's Lefty's Lounge. But he was unable to talk to the bartender because Scott was in the room. So at some point, Scott's pager went off and he made a telephone call. Ian Robinson heard Scott tell the person that he called that he was sorry to look after his child and that he would, quote, not be taken alive.

He also said that you're not going to see me ever again. And he said that I know I'll fry for this. So, yeah, this is crazy. At this point, he said, Scott says that I don for this so um yeah this is crazy at this point he said scott says that um i don't want to stay here i gotta leave he said can i take your car but uh robinson's told him it was broken he's like it doesn't work it's broken down so he said shit he goes well i gotta go get my brother in eastern new orleans then i'm gonna flee the country thank you stranger for listening to all my crimes and where I might be headed. I'm sure you won't tell nobody.

That drink was delicious. Thank you. So he said, I'm going to take off, whatever. He said, do me a favor, ditch my car for me later. Do me a favor. Do me a solid. Do me a solid. Be an accomplice after the fact in this murder, would you?

Thanks. Will you take and dispose of that vehicle? I'd appreciate it. Jesus Christ. So then Scott told Robinson he had about $9,000 in cash and showed him a big wad of bills. He's like, I'm taking off. Clearly that lasts forever. Forever.

You know what I'm saying? In Mexico, I'll retire on this. Nine grand. $9,000. $9,000. Forever. You know what I'm saying? In Mexico, I'll retire on this. Nine grand. 9,000. 9,000. That's his whole life right there. My retirement fits in my pocket.

So the two of them, they leave. They get in his car here. They get in Scott's car. Robinson notices a shotgun leaning up on the passenger seat. He kind of wants to put it, he places it on the back seat and buries it under some clothes, like away from Scott here. Scott places the pistol on the floorboard and drives away.

When they pass Lefty's Lounge, which we had talked about, Robinson says, hey, why don't we stop for a drink? And Scott says, well, I mean, I'm wanted by the whole state, why not? So they stop. I've got half a bottle of vodka. Let's drink more.

Sure. That's just a pre-gamer. So they ordered a beer. And again, Robinson can't talk to the bartender, even though that's the guy he was there to talk to. At some point, Robinson slips away in the bathroom and writes a small note to the bartender, slipping it under the money that he pays for a beer. Yeah. Telling him, crazy guy, guns, fucking kill three people. Someone call the goddamn cops here.

So after reading the note, the bartender tells Robinson that there's several off-duty police officers in the bar at this moment. So Robinson signals to, finds them and is doing like a, hey, over here, help me, signals the two officers to follow him in the bathroom they come in take their pants down immediately thinking they're getting a blow job and he says no this ain't a sex or coke thing i swear this is something actually he's english so he wouldn't talk like that but either way the guy's like oh i'm sorry

and they start zipping up and jesus christ oh this is a criminal matter i oh, I'm sorry. And they start zipping up and Jesus Christ. Oh, this is a criminal matter. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So he tells them, Robinson tells them all about it. One of the off-study police officers tells another person to go across the street and call the cops for assistance. Robinson leaves the bar here with the intention of, he says he's going to hide the pistol. He's trying to hide it from keep him from having it at all right but scott notices and follows him and asks him hey what you doing robinson makes an excuse and then scott's uh locked his car doors and they went into the bar so didn't work out so anyway the jefferson parish sheriff's officers now enter the bar and stating there's a problem with the white car in the parking lot.

Who's the owner? So he says, Scott says, mine, follows the officers outside, and they talk for about a half hour out there with no problems. What could the problem be that takes a half an hour to talk about? Just chit-chatting, what you up to tonight? There's a problem out there. I got a white corsica too what what problems do you got with this thing let me tell you something i got a third gear is just

sticky on it it's just sticky it never wants to come out runs like runs to like 6 000 rpm that's not right right so the cop observes a nine millimeter pistol and a bank bag lying on the floorboard of the corsica so um they tell him that they talk to him about his tell him his rights. And then he says he wants a lawyer at that point. So a pat down for weapons reveals several shotgun shells in his pocket and almost nine thousand dollars in cash. While he's being detained at one point during this, he says, quote, Yeah, I did it. So what?

So what? Yeah, I did it. So what? So what? Yeah, I did it. So what? Okay. Yeah, I did it. So what is not what you say when you've killed multiple people and almost mortally wounded another. This is what you say when you're like, yeah, that's right. I ate the last piece of pie.

So what? I did it. You don't say that when Harry Connick Sr. is pulling the lever on the fucking electric chair in this state at this time. And he is. Oh, my God. So later they place him in a police vehicle to wait. And he goes, before y'all go, quote, oh, by the way, I killed three people in that. All right.

We know. And then they close the door on him. Just to let y'all know, this is after he's been Mirandized and all that. He's held for 45 minutes to an hour before they receive confirmation that there is an arrest warrant for him as well. And they secure his vehicle, search warrant for his car, 9mm, 12-gauge shotgun, clothing bag, small travel bag, empty 9 millimeter shell casings, a box of shotgun shells. It's it's the whole it's everything. Yeah, it's it's no, it's it's like the like the the murder fucking fantasy pack for a cop like, hey, we got it all here. It's everything but a written confession.

If it was like if the wrapping paper was a written confession on loose leaf paper, they wrapped it with that would be the only thing better. So the court shit comes up there's some funny shit some small town stuff in here first of all they said that the district attorney could not be fair and impartial based on the familial relationships between the district attorney's office and the victims apparently now and the familial relationship between the defendant in this case and the st martin parish sheriff's office also the trial judge held a familial relationship between the victims and the district attorney's investigator this is gross this is change of fucking venue that's what this is oh if everyone's related in the case change of venue if the judge jurors and district attorney are all somehow related to each other, we can't have a fucking case.

That's not a case. This is so incestuous. This is ridiculous here. The judge held that the familiar relationship between all of this would not impair the duty of the prosecutor to prosecute. And you're denied. So I really want to hear this one. I got to tell you, I'm just nosy and I want to hear the gossip. So another one, the defense, they said that they withheld the state withheld impeachment evidence against Detective Romero, a state's witness, despite a discovery motion to disclose the information. despite a discovery motion to disclose the information.

Apparently, Romero had admitted he'd been convicted for violating the civil rights of a murder suspect in 1986 by beating a confession out of him with a baseball bat. Holy shit, sir. That's a lot. That's a lot right there. Holy shit. So the defense showed that the information was not disclosed in its answer to its discovery motion. So there's that. Also, they moved to recuse the district attorney's entire office, entire office because of a family relationship existing between the district attorney's investigator and the victims and the defendant's relationship. Okay.

He also contends that the district attorney should have been recused because the first defense counsel appointed to represent him was a woman named Kim Kidd, who was a former assistant district attorney. And he argues that there's a conflict of interest that wouldn't even be remedied by Kidd's dismissal because his lawyer could have then told her old boss all sorts of stuff. Too many people know too many people. Yeah. Well, it's very common for the defense attorney to have worked in the public in the uh prosecutor's office that's extremely common so that's you want that because they know shit about the prosecutor's office that's not a bad thing another thing the district attorney's uh investigator tom lovis is theresa stout's brother-in-law and charlotte perry's uncle

of course okay he admitted in a writ or. They admitted in a writ application to the court that Lovis was not involved in the investigation of the case, but the defendant here claims that the relationship would cause Lovis to influence the actions of the district attorney's office to such an extent that everything would be fucked. The court says, We disagree. They didn't present any evidence tending to show a personal interest on behalf of the entire district attorney's office, which would threaten a fair and impartial administration of justice.

The mere presence of a victim's relative in the district attorney's office does not support a finding of recusal. Is that right? It's a good place to start, though. I feel like it really is. Now, another thing he's trying to say is he's trying to get shit thrown out because when he got arrested he asked to talk to his stepfather okay they got him there he said please let me talk to my stepfather he's a cop so the stepfather went in there and now he's saying that that violated my rights what yeah he's like and the stepfather's like he didn't tell me

anything i went in there as a stepfather, and he requested it. So if you request it, that's a waiving of your rights, isn't it? Is it not? So, yeah, anyway, they said, though, that they can point to no prejudice, which resulted because they didn't discuss anything that's being used against him. So they said that, you know, none of that works. Sorry. So now let's get to the jury's issues.

Okay. sorry so now let's get to the jury's issues okay um guy named ricky yeah ricky melanson was a uh his sister was theresa stout's physical therapist after she shot her thumb off not beforehand currently yeah she's helping her go through physical therapy for the injured injury she received in the case that her brother is fucking a juror on. No. You can't do that. That's fucking insanity, man. Are you kidding me?

Wow. The trial court rejected this, though, and said, nope, that's fine. That's enough, too. That's good. I don't even know what the fuck to say, though. They also said that the only information that his sister related to him was the fact that she was treating a woman who'd been injured by a gunshot wound. And he knew Teresa Stout had been shot in the shoulder and that her thumb and also had been involved in it as well. So he then this juror overheard a conversation between his sister and his wife in which he stated that his sister stated Teresa Stout was going to physical therapy and was in pain.

So, yeah. And then also through that, he also learned that Charlotte had been shot as well. So he didn't even know about that at first. But still, you can't do this. He found out about everything through gossip through a woman who knows the victim. Like, that's, it's just not fair. I want this guy to be found guilty and not have a loophole to get out of this shit. Any of them, yeah.

They're giving him a lot of rope to not hang himself with they're making it longer and longer so when they try to hang him he'll just be standing on the ground going i don't know it's not working they're giving him is a bunch of bed sheets tied together that's what they're giving him an escape here also they said that the uh suppression hearing he says that he fights over whether they gave him, Mirandized him or not. Police say they Mirandized him and then they put him in the car. And this is the police officer says that he, quote, just turned around right out of the blue. And he said, oh, by the way, I killed three people tonight. Immediately after, another officer asked him where these people were and whether they

could help them medically in any way are they are they alive still maybe we can help them which is a fair question miranda or not if there's people dying where the fuck are they you know what i mean tell us so that's you know trying to help it's emergency services at that point so they said that the uh they go through all this with him now his main defense is i was shit-faced nobody thought of him as shit-faced he had one drink at a bar his aim was good enough to shoot fucking jasper three times yeah it feels like he was possibly shit-faced after that's what they say he they bring in the like the booking people from the police station to say that he reeked of alcohol and seemed super drunk when they when they got him an intake but he had a drink a half a

bottle of vodka then went to a bar and started drinking beer until this guy could get you know attention of people so give me a fucking break here so that's that's what the that's what the prosecution's trying to say is that's what happened here. So in the closing argument, the prosecutor says, what was in his mind? What was he concerned about then? He was concerned about getting away from what he'd just done. He put two weapons in the car, started his car, and where did he go? Did he go back to where he lived? No.

He drove all the way to Metairie, Louisiana. This man was intoxicated. The defense of intoxication. You remember, he drove all the way from whatever the fuck that town is over here. Did all those things. Drove all the way to Metairie or whatever the hell it is. But the defense is intoxication. Yeah, right.

So that's what they said. Give me a fucking break. Yeah, he got drunk afterwards. The jury comes in guilty of everything. All sorts of shit. They try him separately for Jasper. This is just for Charlotte. Yeah.

The attempted murder of Teresa and the murder of Charlotte Jasper. He gets tried separately. And he doesn't have a lot to go for. And they're going for the death penalty here. And there's not a lot to really shoot for in terms of in terms of mitigation other than i mean people lock him seems like a nice feller makes him volatile that's how it works here so they say you sir may fuck off death penalty for for mr oh boy oh yeah hey jude yeah don't throw that switch put a helmet on and watch the smoke come out make sure not good what the sponge is oh man that's that's a different song completely

he's had a lot of songs in this one it's a lot of versions so he is um later on though it gets thrown out the death penalty then he's going to be re-sentenced and while in court he says he yells at his attorney okay oh great and he says i'm the only fucking competent person in this fucking courtroom you fucking punk i want an execution date now this is outrageous he turned into a white lady at a restaurant quickly. This is outrageous. This service is terrible. He says, we can keep playing around, stealing more tax dollars and robbing from the poor of this state. There's just no reason to stop my execution on July 30th.

You're murdering my family. Please, no more. And then he sat down. God damn it. That was that. Eventually, it's whittled down to life without parole. And that's what he gets. By the way, funny, not funny, but his mom, not her fault, his mom died in October of 2017.

And he's in life without parole. He's not getting out. In her obituary, it says that honorary pallbearer will be Scott Jude Bork. Honorary. Honorary pallbearer will be Scott Jude Bork. Honorary. Honorary pallbearer. So there you go. That is Louisiana where he still sits, I believe, in Angola at this point in time. So good luck and fair riddance to that asshole.

What a dickhead. Very lucky he didn't. They were throwing him, James. They were throwing those switches for a while. Oh, my God. Yeah. He dodged a bullet there. It was all the finger fucking with the local people that's what it was it was this one was too close to that one of the the state supreme court whatever said you know i

mean he's guilty and all but that was all a little weird for us too let's just say life without parole so that's that definitely follow us follow us on social media at murder small on twitter at small town pod on facebook at small town murder on instagram patreon.com slash crime and sports is where you get all the bonus stuff this week chris benoit conspiracy theories and the canadian btk killer there russell williams and an interrogation that just broke a man into telling everything it is fucking wild. Check all that out. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports.

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