Small Town Murder - #300 - Bits Of Flesh & Mysteries Solved - Addy, Washington

Episode Date: July 21, 2022

This week, in Addy, Washington, a rugged, but close family, lives in a remote area, and makes a living mostly off the land. They have their problems, like any other family, but nothing that could possibly hint at the wholesale slaughter that would take place within the walls of the home that they built with their own hands. When police find blood stains & "bits of flesh" around the house, there is no question who is responsible. But why? Was this a simple disagreement over a normal chore, or was this something MUCH darker, and more disturbing? When the real motive comes out, it's more shocking than could have been imagined!Along the way, we find out that the Pam & Lam Ham Jamband may be at Farm Jam, that you never know what disgusting thoughts are running through someone's head, and that maybe no one should have a video camera in their home... Ever!!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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very public place i'd like you to sit back and shout shut up and give me murder. Alright, let's do this. Here we go. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We're on a ride. Alright, we're going to the northwest this week, way up there in the northwest to Addy Washington. I almost said Wisconsin because we were talking about the Milwaukee

show. Addy, how do you spell that? A-D-D-Y. Addy. Because it's short for a lady's name like if your name was adeline and you had a husband that called you addy and then he was the postmaster and named the town that's what the town would be called so there you go or if it was your internet address yeah hit me up with your addy man yeah yeah it's some real 97 talk that's some real 97 talk there boy that's addie is the same amount of syllables as address. So what the fuck are we doing?

And then you write down at earthlink.net afterwards because that's what someone's fucking at hotmail. Because that's the same time. Exactly. Also around here, we're going to talk about Colville. I think it's called C-O-L-v-i-l-l-e i think it's colville or colville but we'll say colville because it sounds sounds more coley and dirty at that point it's more grimy it's it's right near here this is really rural this area this whole area is really rural there's a highway i think it's 395 that runs down here so that runs

north and south and it just kind of there's like a few towns that dot it. And then it is just like nothing to the sides of it. There's forest land. And then it's pretty close to the Idaho border and the and the Canadian border. So it's the northeast corner of Washington up there. So this is this here is like militia country is what you call it back in the day. Yeah. So this here, it's in northeastern Washington.

Like I said, it's about an hour and 15 minutes to Spokane. That's the closest kind of big place. Six hours and 10 minutes to Ska-mania, brother, which is our last Washington episode, episode 246. We had Ska and Gore within months of each other. That was amazing. Ska-mania, brother. There was a case actually that i

almost picked for this week but it was in scotmania county again we can't go back to scotmania brother we got to save it for another time this is uh it's in stevens county area code 509 the history of this town it was originally a swiss dairy community oh so i don't know how swiss people found when i ended up from switzerland all the way to rural washington yeah to to set up dairy communities seems like there'd be places to go between those two places where you could probably put a cow the swiss make watches and chocolate so i guess that makes sense yeah well you need milk for chocolate yeah there you go so they could have set up a cow in a stool just about anywhere i feel like along the northern

part of the country but they decided to go there now the 1890 was es dudry he was a storekeeper and the town's first postmaster and like i said his wife's name was adeline yeah nicknamed addie and that was the name of the town. Because, shit, there was nobody there anyway. Who cares? Name it whatever the hell you want. It became basically a stop between Chuala and Colville on the railroad. Chuala and Colville.

These are two towns you've never heard of, correct? Right. Three towns. This is a stop between those two towns those are considered bigger places addy's just you know that's how small this place is here in uh in 1975 alcoa the company built a magnesium smelter here yeah the wheel company there you go which was the became the largest employer in the county yeah which is good. And then in 2001, they closed the plant. And moved to Alaska.

And that was that. So then they weren't the largest employer anymore. And it's gotten a little tough. A little bleak since then? Wait till you hear the stats. This is one where you're like, good God, really? There's nobody here. In 1967, the last school in Addy was closed.

1967? They haven't had a school in this town since 1967 50 years it's been 55 years since there's been a school in this town otherwise they have to go to colville which is like up the fucking highway a bunch so there's nothing here fascinating yeah they were bused to chula after that a small which is another small town addy wasn't even tracked by the 2000 u.s census they were like i don't know i'm not going all the way over there there's nobody there they don't even have a book who gives a shit i'm just gonna write down three hillbillies is that okay i don't like three to five hillbillies we'll call it four four hillbillies and that's it i? There's nobody there. Do we count them as people if they don't know shit? That's a good question. In 2010, though, they were hit by the census and the population then was 265.

265 people have never been to school the day in the life. No. Well, they've gone to other towns for school. So that's what they are. Unless if they stayed home. No school this is amazing it's wild the town has one gas station and a coffee shop there is one restaurant in town and then there's a bunch of businesses that basically cater to the people that grow the agricultural shit like there's a lot of feed shops and 4-h type i don't know whatever the fuck goes on we don't know how much this is pay what you want we don't know how to count around here we got hay there's hay now with the school closed in 67 i was only in the fourth grade so anything beyond that's gonna be out of my jurisdiction understand simple biscuits and gravy pay what you want i

can't count change luckily my mama taught me to make biscuits and gravy when i was in third grade before i got dropped out of school because otherwise i ain't gonna remember now all we make here is why it's called biscuits and gravy that's it that's the name of the restaurant the reviews of this town five here's five stars it goes this they run the gamut this is amazing these are These are for Colville, which you can, they're similar. Okay. Five stars. Colville is an extraordinary town to develop close relationships. Oh. Yeah.

With their family. Yeah. If there's few people there and they're all nosy, you're going to develop close relationships. Friendly occupants of the town support each other and often enjoy meals in each other's company. What? Weird. Super weird.

Friends eat together. That's strange. Sometimes we eat in front of each other that's strange i'm gonna have to put her make next city we eat together in jimmy new orleans i assume or wherever it would be next thing is uh you know milwaukee or san francisco i'm gonna write a review of that city about it i'm gonna say i ate with my friend here new orleans is beautiful i ate and looked at a friend we ate well a friend and i stared at each other it was pretty good we talked as a matter of fact too we actually had words he put french fries in his mouth and moved his teeth up and down i ate two of his french fries he had a bite of my he had one of my ribs it was fantastic so okay the mountains boast safety from the strongest winds okay from the winds cutting across there and offer accessible

and well-maintained trails for those who love to explore a 10-minute drive from town leads to the nearby drive-in outdoor movie theater in parentheses in case you don't know a national treasure they say i don't know if they went and saw a national treasure there or if they're calling that a national treasure yeah they went and just saw a nick cage movie once and they're like it was amazing we we done went to the drive-in and i saw that nick cage up on the screen and i'll be goddamned if you don't have hair now that's how hollywood's a magical place i tell you a man who ain't had hair since 91 has hair now it's wild i really hope that's what it is they saw that that'd be amazing to just set it uh if possible the town would be better off without the forest fires well no shit well

what town wouldn't where would not be better off without the forest fires i'm sure which town's review is very charming uh at night there's a nice glow ambience kids let's keep the fingers crossed for a for a nice forest fire light the night tonight. I feel like smelling ash through the air. No need for a candle light. We got forest light. Oh, man. However, the firefighters are plentiful and devoted to protecting the town. When they say firefighters are plentiful, that to me sounds like they're disposable.

We keep shoveling them on there and it slows the fire down. It's the weirdest way to put that. Throw bodies at it. Yeah. However, it's important to know the town struggles with accepting the different ideas other than their own. That's not surprising. The town council overall is quite resolute in their decisions, whether good or bad. Yet, Colville remains a beautiful small town with the residents treating everyone as close family.ikes uh here's where we treat the forest fires like the beach of the normandy oh

it's just gorgeous now we throw our people out of we don't even give them hoses they just run in unarmed and go go on out fire go on out they burn on up and we send more in there your body's 90 water just get in there and put it out we got signed to saying we're actually fueling it but i we don't listen to them we just threw them in the fire also and uh they don't know nothing now uh here we go um all right here we go four stars colville provides the serenity of the columbia river mountains, and the basics of Walmart and Safeway. So that's terrific. In Colville, they made it sound like that was nature, too.

Like, there's nature, there's a river, there's mountains, the Walmart, the Safeway, everything that nature has provided us. In Colville and just outside Colville, you can go hunting, fishing, hiking, or go for long scenic drives. In other words, there's nothing there. I'd like to see more children activities provided by our city council. I feel Colville could be an even greater city if the law enforcement could get a handle on the drugs. Okay. Three stars.

Next one. Not many druggies get caught, and when they do, they don't do much about it. Okay. That's America. What do you want? Two stars. There's a lot of drug use in the area and that contributes to things like thefts there are a ton of property crimes well we'll find out uh here's one star this they do not like this one at all uh shameless blight that's the first line

period the town is a blight a shameless one blights all caps by the way shameless blight traffic that makes my clean manicured and serenely quiet suburb outside of denver look like paradise honestly our family was shocked upon our return in 2020 never-ending streams of junk cars worker trucks and hostile alcoholic trailer trash fill the streets by day. Wow. Depressing, dark, and ugly at night. You can't even enjoy the woods because they're filled with drunken and uptight milieu of ugly. Wow. This person. Milieu?

Milieu of ugly. Wow. This person left and went to school. Yeah. Absolutely nothing for tweens, teens, or college age to do. Small wonder drugs are a major problem in Colville. Those that do have ruthlessly keep it to themselves, and the poor have expanded into families living in windowless cars.

A very ugly and smug place. Once the people have been replaced by better quality, there might be hope. Jesus Christ. Let's go now. Get on out of here. We got somebody better quality there might be hope jesus christ let's go now get on out of here we got somebody better quality coming in let's go get now get your shit and leave this person's like rooting for eugenics and i was gonna say they're a big cheerleading the internments of the 1940s we got better quality coming through here, Ching Chong. Moving along. That's what they were probably doing, though.

That's his place. However, no amount of fishing or outdoor activities can make this dump livable when you have to drive through the blighted streets. He could have used another word. And deal with the low-intelligence population that currently resides there, both rich and poor. They don't even know what milieu means they burned out quick there yeah they lost they lost a lot at the end

but it was a solid it was a solid they were they were going and then they just next thing you know blight again and then it's you know low intelligence they were out one more sentence out of gas yeah no more arrows in the quiver. Here we go. Population right now, 102 people in Addy. Today. Today. And when we have 100 people, the stats are hilarious.

Oh, they're so much fun. It is 68.8% male. Oh, that's heavy. Or female, female. I'm sorry, female. Oh. 31%. No, I'm sorry. 68.8% male, 31.3% female. That's heavy. Or female. Female. I'm sorry. Female. Oh. 31%. No, I'm sorry.

68.8% male, 31.3% female. That's horrible. There's a lot of loggers and shit here. Median age is about 45, which is older than normal, about seven years older. The age groups are hilarious. There's zero percent zero to four years old, or zero to nine years old. There's nobody who's zero to nine in this town. No children.

But 10 to 14, 26 26 of the population wow so that's a lot and then 35 to 44 is 31 and 50 and 45 to 54 is 33 so there's people who are 35 to 54 and they have children who are 10 to 14 and those are the only people that's it no old people nothing nothing uh 61 married they just there's nowhere to go get divorced that's the problem they don't know where a courthouse is if you get married you better hang on to her because there's only 30 of them yeah there's not a lot of women here um what else do we have here yeah that's married 72 are married with children 0.0 are single with children so not a single single person here nope uh race in this town 25 white 75 native american so that's it is that right it's all that's it only two no not a not a black guy not a not a mexican lady walking around nothing nobody uh 27% of the people here are religious, and it has spread out.

The highest one is Mormon, actually, at 4.2%. What? They're trying. They're trying to get in here. Yeah, there's also, as we'll talk about, Jehovah's Witnesses in the area as well. I don't know if they're still there, but they were 20 years ago. So the unemployment rate here is about 8%, which is a little higher than the national average.

Jesus Christ. The median household income here, rest of the country, $54,000. Here, $15,764. You might want to get a little high if that's all you've got. Jesus Christ. It's horrifying. you might want to get a little high if that's all you've got that is christ horrifying the average income of an addy resident one single person is eight thousand five hundred sixty nine dollars a year unbelievable that's crazy shit that's horrifying um the cost of living 100 being regular average here it's 88 so it's not even cheap the The housing, median home cost here, $289,700.

How do you do that on $600 a month? You don't. You live in a windowless car, as people set up there. I think that's how it goes. So if we've convinced you, damn it, you need to be here. We have for you the Addy Washington Real Estate Report. the average two-bedroom rental here goes for 769 so that's okay you know that's a little than your income it's still a lot yeah there's a three-bedroom three uh two bath i'm sorry 1440 square feet house here this one's in colville it has not been touched since the 70s wood paneling dark carpet

carpeting around a tub jimmy there's carpeting around a tub how gross is that i feel like that's gonna come back yeah there's there's like a tarp with some insulation shit coming out of one of the ceilings it's not great it's not good 14000 for that little gem. Little gem in the rough there. And then three bedroom, one bath, 1,800 square feet here. It's on 30 acres, so there's that. The house is nothing really that's that exciting. I don't know if this comes with it or not, but there is a, obviously not a professionally done, but a painting that appears to be Clint Eastwood in a Western.

Maybe the good and bad and the ugly maybe a fistful of dollars it's not quite positive because the art isn't perfect but uh 590 000 for that though i feel like you can negotiate to get that painting but maybe you throw it in there uh 30 acres then four bedroom one bath 2 000 square feet house is outdated looks like shit. The farm buildings have blood on the floors, you know, from shit like that. Everything looks dirty, but it's on 159 acres of apparently pretty prime farmland, and it's $1,450,000 here. Seems worth it with that kind of land. Yeah, it's a little pricey, but things to do here.

Here we go. Farm Jam Music and Camping Festival. How dare they? This is from the website. Quote, real farm. We operate a real farm. Okay, you said that twice. With the farm, that's three farms in eight words.

You've said farm three fucking times. We also provide real entertainment through our festival and corn maze oh well then um look at that um farm jam vision is simple we provide a highly visible and professional platform for quality original music and independent bands to be seen heard produced promoted and distributed for others to learn about new and emerging music and entertainment. And farm, farm, farm. This is performing in 2022, Jesse Lee, who's a blonde chick. Jeff Crosby. Oh, boy.

He looks like an Allman brother from the 70s. He might be. Crosby stole the national. That's Crosby's brother. It might be. It would be grandson probably by now. He looks like a younger guy. Brewer's Grade Band, which looks like a bunch of 50-year-old guys who decided that they're

bored on the weekends. Devin Wade. Just one guy. I don't know who he is. Joe Nichols, who looks like the singer from Creed in the 90s. Does he have dark hair? Yes. Joe Nichols.

Joe Nichols. Yeah, he's a douche country singer. He's awful. Absolutely awful. What about the Scooter Brown Band? Never heard of them, but that sounds like a play on Scooter Braun and I appreciate it. Scooter Brown Band, baby. Yeah, again,

this looks... Some older fellas there. And the Firebottle Brothers, who also have a red-headed chick in it. And the Fire Bottle Brothers, who also have a red-headed chick in it. And her. Fire Bottle Brothers and Fire Crotch Sister. Crime rate.

Well, we're interested in this town. Property crime. I wish we could spend more time on that festival. I wish we had the time because there's a lot to go into. We've got to do another small town festival bonus because that was so much fun. I'm shocked that there's 150 people there and you've got... 102 people.

102 people and you've got a festival with like a... That guy's, I mean, he's had top 10 country songs before. He's awful, but he's done it. People crawl out of the farm woodwork up there. I suppose, yeah. Now, crime rate, we're interested in. Property crime is about one-third high. So about one-third higher than the national average.

Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is about 25% low. Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, I guess they're not killing each other anyway. They're spread out. Whenever we find these towns, we'll find property crime if there's a lot of drugs or something. But they're spread out enough to where it's like i'm not walking all the way over there to kill him jesus christ i don't know distance yeah i'll just steal something close that's easier

too drunk for that i'm too shit-faced for any of that garbage so that said let us talk about the murder shall we let's do it um okay let's go back to the year 2000 so not too far back this is earthlink times this is uh hit me up with your addy times is what this says this is this is download limewire and fuck this whole computer oh man oh what about kazaa that'll be better no shit that's still got god damn it none this shit's working. Why did we ever think that we knew something that hackers and people that wanted to send viruses didn't know? Yeah, I actually had one that was a good one where they broke the file up into like a million pieces so you couldn't do that to it. What, do you got to put it together? No, you would have a program that does it all on its own.

It was a different way of torrent citing it's all right once that came once it became torrents rather than the uh actual direct download that was crazy like here's what we have this big database just download shit oh yeah that won't be fucking that won't be bad download chunks of metallica's fuel this is no no no no it all comes it comes together and then you turn it into a file, but it can't be whatever. Never mind. So this is the, as we talked about it a few weeks ago, this is cell phones, but there's no cameras on them. Basically, this is like, it's a different time.

You're not texting really yet. This is more of a, you know, phone cell phones are for emergencies because they're also expensive and you pay by the minutes. This is so expensive. You're using my minutes, man. For like five to seven years, the entire probably world, but I'm just saying I know at least this entire country thought about nothing but minutes. It's all we thought about because it was like, yeah, 800 minutes for $28 a month,

and then they're $46 a minute afterwards after that. So if you go over your bill, you'll never be able to be out of debt ever. So that was a nightmare. We were all just like, oh, God, my minute. Any time. Are you Verizon to Verizon? Can I call you and not be charged for it? What time is it?

Is it 7 o'clock yet? Is it night? Is it weekend? Oh, fuck. I thought it was Sunday. It's actually Monday. Jesus Christ. Now I'm going to lose my house.

Fuck. I can't pay my mortgage now. Jesus. We've been hanging out more and more lately. I'm going to have to put you in my five faves so this is free. Yeah, because I can't talk to you. Just willy nilly. This is crazy.

So let's talk about some people. Let's talk about a couple. In 2000, they've been married a long time. He's 49. She's 43 at this point. He is Robert H. Lembeck. I'm going to go with Lembeck. It's L-E-M-B-C-K-E.

Wow. I'm really missing a vowel there in the end. Well, I just misplaced one. It should be Lembeck. Lembeck, yeah, without the E on the end, but it's not. It's this. Yeah, the E should be, it's misplaced. Yeah. After the B, not after the K. I'm going

with Lembeck is how I'm going to say it. So it's Robert and Diana is his wife, and Robert here, this guy, he's a rugged kind of cat. He's an independent logger wow yeah he has his own logging business so he just goes out there and cuts trees goes out there cuts trees has his own truck and loader and does all that shit and uh 49 years old doing it he's almost he's about to retire actually 50 he's he's retiring at 50 he's been breaking his ass working a ton and we'll talk about it so

he can retire at 50 and he's 49 so it's happened he's known for being a real always smiling really laid back kind of cat he is not like even as we'll talk about with the kids he is uh yeah kids will be kids man no discipline type of guy he's almost like a hippie when it comes to that sort of thing like a like a 60s hippie it's a yeah he's a strange kind of but he's also a logger and and we'll talk about religion and everything um he once this is a funny story about him one time he caught a fish when he was a kid and um it was during a family trip and his mom wasn't there so he it was like a fishing trip with his family without mom there so he put the fish in his jacket pocket ew because he didn't realize he's like i'll take this home and show

mom but you know kids don't remember shit yeah so he got home and just took his jacket off and threw it down and stuff piled up and he forgot about the fish and the whole house stunk of fish for rotten they couldn't fucking find it yeah fished her up good shrouded her shrouded mom up and then finally they found his jacket with this rotting fish corpse in it for fucking days on end nasty shit so i thought that was a funny one yeah nice thought though i mean that's a very kid thing to do. He does back-breaking, ball-busting in the woods, taking down trees, cutting logs his whole life from a young age on. We'll talk about his family is involved in all this shit. So, I mean, it is like that's his whole hard work, and that's why he wants to retire at 50. You got to.

Get it all done while your body's able and then yeah you can't host this is almost like an athlete like you can't log when you're 68 years old that's a tough how you gonna how you gonna climb a fucking sequoia at 62 yeah it's not it just sounds brutal i don't want to do that now and i'm 20 years younger i still don't want to have any part of that shit whatsoever. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager, but local

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Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast morbid follow morbid on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts so diana uh is his wife and she worked with him in his business

and you know helped him out with his stuff but But as we'll talk about, she ends up suffering from multiple sclerosis. And so by 2000, she rarely leaves the house. She's in a wheelchair when she does. She kind of scoots around the house on an office chair. She kind of like in the kitchen, she'll go around. She cooks and shit still, but she just goes around the kitchen on an office chair. She's got a good spirit, Diana, very much. And she even, at one point,

there was an elderly neighbor who was ill and she would wheel her, she would wheel over there and bring her wood and firewood and shit on her wheelchair. Firewood and food and things to her elderly neighbor because she was a nice lady, basically, is what we're getting at here.

We'll go back to 1970 let's go back 30 years and um this is when these two meet robert and diana meet in 1970 in orchards washington which is um yeah it's a lot of it's just a suburb a lot of track homes it's one of those type of things like it had just been put up the suburb when they were all moving in here. His family here, Robert, his father worked for the state highway department. So they came there for that. And Diana and her three siblings came with her mom who was starting over because she just got a divorce from their father in california so this was a you know 1970 it was tough to get a divorce and you know go move somewhere with your kids and that was a difficult thing to do back then that wasn't easy at all so uh that's what they had done these they met they were only a few houses apart robert and diana so that's how they met um they became um you know a few houses apart they started being friends that's an easy move easy it's easy right yeah uh diana's sister

her name is unfortunately for her pam ham um yeah her name is pam ham you can't if i were my name is pam and it's back in the day where you know you get married you take the name and i go i'm sorry i love you dog yeah what's your last name no no i will we can hang out till we meet other people or something that's fine but it's not nothing against you i can't be pam ham i just can't do it i don't want to be julia it's not happening i don't want to be pam ham that's the problem i could be but i don't want to be really not pam ham so pam ham said quote their courtship was so short all of a sudden they were getting married yeah yeah very which is you know why it's surprising is mainly they get married. You're going to be, this is not cool.

They get married on December 15th, 1972. At that moment when they get married, Rob is 21 years old. Diana is 15 years old. So that means they met in 1970 when he was 19 and she was 13 no i get that things were different in 1970 and shit like that but at no point at when i was 19 i never even thought of looking at an eighth grader and being like yeah like no i wanted a girl who's like 23 yeah yeah i wanted a girl who was like 23 at that point the nothing on her. Yeah. I wanted a girl who was like 23 at that point. You know what I mean?

Didn't you? Who you were looking for? Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. Some chick that knows how to do shots. You know what I mean? Right.

Some girl that smokes. Yeah. 13. I'd be like, oh, God. Jesus Christ. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Somebody who can drive me when I'm drunk and it would be it

would be fucking exactly hey you got it behind the wheel i've had a few so i would understand like maybe if they met when they were younger and then you know project like 20 years later they ran into each other again and he was 38 and she was 32 and then who gives a shit at that oh i know you but romantic relationship at 19 and 13 is james at that point like you can see people like being involved with each other that aren't like a pair that match because they both bring some of the table at 13 you don't even bring income to the table what are we doing you don't know anything there's what kind of conversation are you having with a 13 year old you literally do nothing for me except for one thing and that makes it gross and illegal otherwise what do you talk to her about her math homework you know like dumb and then she's married at 15 so is that she

gonna go to school still is she gonna be still brings nothing to the table she's gonna be married in like you know high school algebra that's that's just weird it's just sorry i don't have the report this week i was picking out a dress i'm very sorry congratulations by the way to mrs carpenter the uh our science teacher who caught the bouquet she's that was very nice for her good luck mrs carpenter fingers crossed for her she's very lonely very lonely i said yes to the dress but i don't have my report on the fucking i say it's great i say no to my book report yes to the dress but no to earth science yeah not gonna happen this is weird as shit so that's what's going on i i'm i'm against i'm a you know

what i'll go out on a limb here i'll say it i'm against 21 year old men marrying 15 year old fucking girls i'm against that just in general how could you say something so controversial i'm sorry that's what i mean i don't mean to rock boats out there there's gonna be people sending us tweets going hey what the what the fuck, man? We're going to get called out. I understand. But, you know, hey, I'm not kink shaming or anything. You may as well fold this podcast game up, James.

I would call this, I get that the parents say it's okay and all that, but this is what I would call, or what the law would call, child molesting. No? Isn't that what the law would call child molesting no isn't that what the law would call it just like what it is over rape umbrella of it it's and just because her dad said it's okay that doesn't mean it's we should as a society it's okay right that's just weird but in times change but 1972 seems way too that seems late the late. The only thing, yeah, I get it if it was like 1872. Like things were different then. Or even younger in another country. Like we've talked about, I have an aunt that got given to like a 60-year-old man when she was 17

because her first husband, they were both kids, was murdered in the street in Italy. It's a long story. But this old man could take her to America. And that was the whole point. It was like she's going gonna get to go to america so it was worth it for her to be married to an old man very weird so by 72 all the like best race car you know i mean like the all the like americana of like weird shit happening like backseat fucking all that seems in my for feeling it feels like by then it's all over and now it's all over yeah this is like we've made mistakes and we're getting better well we we've gone through free

love already we've gone through hippies and free love and we've come full circle here like this is not it's just weird at this point so anyway either way they get married and for years they kept moving back and forth between the vancouver area Washington side, though, and a plot of land that Rob purchased here outside North Port Washington near the Canadian border. So while they're in Vancouver, they share a duplex with Pam Ham and her new husband, Lawrence Ham, unfortunately. Larry Ham. Hi, Larry and Pam Ham here. Oh, God. Pam and Larry Ham?

Poor people. They can't help their name, but you can change it. Does he go by Lamb? Oh, man. I'm Lamb Ham. So they move in with Pam Ham and Lamb Ham here in Vancouver. Rob, what do you think he wants to do for a living, Jimmy? He's a logger, right?

That's what he wants to do? Well, that's what he is later. He's a logger. That's what he ends up being. What did he want to do then? I don't know. What was his dream? Daycare runner?

No. He dreamed of being a rock star, Jimmy. Of course he did. Yeah, that's right. I don't think he expected that at all. The look on your face was like, that wasn't in my top five. a rock star jimmy of course he did that's right i don't think you expected that at all you look on your face was like that wasn't in my top five he wants to be a rock star yeah um which would explain his predilection for younger women as we've talked about uh before the show we were

discussing because i was reading r kelly's the book about r kelly again soulless read it if you haven't it is he is horrible oh my god would he be defined as soulless james soulless this is a perfect way to put it um but we were discussing it in the book they were talking about what is it with rock stars needing to like marry teenage girls because you can go through you know jerry lee lewis elvis marvin gay there's a fucking list that goes on forever like what's happening here so and everyone was like, well, he married her. It's like, she's 14. I don't care if he married her.

I don't care what he did with her. That's crazy. Unless he gave her a homework assignment. I don't like this relationship. But a vast majority of them pick one child. Yeah, not R. Kelly. Right, and then age her into appropriate. Yeah, yeah.

R. Kelly had just a teen zoo going on in his house Markelly who. Right. And then age her into appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. Markelly had just a teen zoo going on in his house where he kept the separate displays. It was creepy. I hate it so much. It's so gross. So Rob, though, dreams of being a rock star. And he and Larry Hamm are going to form the band. The Hamm Band? The Hamm.

The Lamb and Pam Hamm Band is coming, man. The Lamb and Pam Ham Band is coming, man. The Lamb and Pam Ham Band, we're going to play Farm Jam this year. The Lamb and Pam Ham Band is going to play Farm Jam. See us at Farm Jam, the Lamb and Pam Ham Jam Band. Yeah. This is crazy. This is nuts. What does he he play does he play guitar he play they both play electric guitar so in the garage so they're playing they need other you need a drummer you need a drummer that's number one a bass player really helps to keep the whole thing going

and at some point someone's gonna have to sing maybe or not maybe they'll be like santana and they'll just bring in different singers you never know who's a virtuoso on that bad boy be dave matthews and play 20 minutes of instrumental before you play before you sing a fucking lick of any words if you do it well enough i guess you can get none of the words make sense anyway yeah if you do it well enough a hundred thousand stone people will watch you do it. It'll be wonderful. The lamb and pab ham band is at Farm Jam. I can't get over that.

So they this is ridiculous. One of Rob's brothers or sisters here called him his sister. Faye called him, quote, a dreamer and a schemer. That's how he was. Quote, he always had ideas to make money and work toward early retirement. Yeah. Which, I mean, if those are. You just gave him half a chorus. That's beautiful.

Yeah. They wrote taking care of business first. Did you know that? That was stolen from them actually they were like son of a bitch he used. Oh, my God. Gross. I'm going to marry me a tainer. Oh, yeah.

Oh, Jesus. Gross. Playing my music in the garage. So that's what they're doing. This whole thing is gross. He always has ideas. So that's what they're doing. This whole thing is gross. He always has ideas.

At one point, he collected night crawlers, worms, from the golf course where he worked and sold them to fishermen. So he worked the golf course anyways to sell them for bait. He had a paper route. He sold firewood. He had like any little business he could figure out in between to do. He had every 16-year-old's job.'s job every 16 year old's job and their girlfriend at the same time so this is really weird shit uh yeah this is my wife um well no she can't come to dinner tonight because she's got to be in school in the morning and uh no no not the university

um actually up in colville at the middle school so that's my wife she'll come over when her when she's done doing her chores at her dad's house she she is supposed to be here but she done got detention i was mad at her i'm like you need to control yourself because we had an important dinner with my boss tonight and god damn it you're sitting in there in detention it ain't fair what are you talking about you got a saturday the kids have a little league game on saturday god damn you can't be in detention that's these are many among the many many many reasons why you don't ever try to be with a teenage girl that's one of the reasons why if you're an adult so um in addition to it being disgusting and illegal so when they weren't in vancouver they were living in an a-frame house that rob built on a mountaintop near his parcel so or on his parcel so you gotta

assume it's shattily built you know what i mean he just put he slapped it together you know but he seems to know how to do shit though as we'll talk about here they had just a structure there's no phone electricity um for a long time no indoor plumbing right that's what i mean it's just a shack yeah it's just it's a shelter it's not yeah it's a lean-to it's not good to block wind it's like where abe lincoln grew up this is crazy so either you know they're going to be hillbilly mountain people or he'll be the 16th president of the United States. We don't know. It could work out. He could be our greatest statesman.

So in winter, this place was only accessible by snowmobile. Oh, my God. Yeah, he couldn't even drive to it. He had to park. This is torturous he had to park at the bottom of the hill and be like hop on sweetie and then drive on a snowmobile up there brave the weather home oh man he would string uh lights throughout the a-frame uh there and then he would hook them to his truck battery for light so he'd string like christmas lights up and hook

them to the truck battery so they had So they had lights in the house. That's not a solution. My God. He ended up going to North Port also because he wanted to log as well because he saw money in logging. His father and grandfather, both Pacific Northwest loggers. So he is a logging family. He is through and through. Yeah.

He comes from brawny country here. So he is a logging family. Through and through. Yeah, he comes from brawny country here. So his grandfather, Henry, had come to the area in 1916 and built a mill in Curlew, Washington. And they said the remains of it were still standing as of 2000 of this mill. So I don't think it was operational, but they were still like, hey, that building used to be something. Rob started working at the family sawmill when he was 14. So I don't know if that we always talk about stunted childhood.

Was that it? At 14, he had to be an adult and work in a sawmill. So, like, that's when he stopped. So he was like, yeah, because I don't know what it is. I'm not making an excuse. Obviously, we're trying to find a goddamn reason, like a profiler. That's as psychological as it gets. His childhood was ruined, and that's what he sees himself as. So that's what it was.

Because he had to grow up too quick. So anyway, they're married. They're building an A-frame house. In 1976, they have a son. So she's 19 by now. They have a son named Clint. Clinton is his name. Clint, they call him um now sometime

around 1980 they joined the jehovah's witnesses yeah so some jehovah's witnesses had a snowmobile and a mighty mighty strong pitch we'll put it that way although if someone snowmobiles all the way up your hill to your door you kind of got to hear them out, right? They've earned it. I feel like you've at least earned me standing in front of you for two minutes to give me your spiel and your little pamphlet. We could burn it for warmth anyway. You beat the Mormons. You clearly want me. Yeah, no shit.

You the Mormons? Nope. Damn. Y'all are persistent. I'm impressed. I'm impressed. So they joined the Jehovah's Witnesses. Relatives didn't. They're not the Jehovah's Witnesses. Relatives didn't.

They're not from Jehovah's Witness families or anything. So their relatives were like, what the fuck? Like, yeah, Jehovah's Witnesses were a like a stand up comedy punch line for 20 years. And then there's a knock at the door and it's the Jehovah's Witnesses. Ha ha ha ha. You know, that's a fucking forever. It's an old trope by then. So they're like, they're like they're like they

join the jehovah's witnesses like i knew i knew a couple when i was younger than their me too jehovah yeah and i mean they were growing joe raising him that way and uh i even then i was like are you serious you really it's just well i knew a girl you got duped you know it's weird how what was the pitch they came to you you came to them how to work so they whatever you're into is fine but i mean it's just it seems like a yeah yeah it's like if ron popeil had a religion you're like i don't need a slap job actively pitching it it's a weird so anyway i knew a girl in elementary school who was a jehovah's witness she was a really really really nice girl really cool school who was a Jehovah's Witness. She was a really, really, really nice girl.

Really cool, too. She was funny. She was totally normal. It wasn't like she was a weirdo or anything like that. But I felt so bad for her because whenever we did anything, they had to leave the room. So, I mean, if we made, if it was fucking, you know, a Thanksgiving thing and we were just making like gluing leaves to a goddamn sheet of construction paper she'd have to go sit in the hallway while we did it you know what i mean i just felt bad for her and she was so nice nobody made fun of her really because she said it's my

religion i'm not allowed we were always like oh that sucks and she was like yeah it sucks and we really felt bad for her because she was she wasn't like no it's the gods blah blah blah she was just like yeah i want to do that stuff, but I'm not allowed. I was like, damn. I want to participate. Yeah, I was like, that sucks, man. So anyway, they joined the religion, and it's very strict, and the family didn't get it. And then they started changing to the family as well.

Faye said, quote, it appeared in the beginning that they were a close family, a closer family unit. And then they just kind of pulled away from all of us. The fun times didn't happen so much anymore. Yeah. If you're only coming over there at holidays and such and seeing people and that's what they're celebrating, it's like, then I'm not coming because I can't do that. And they don't.

They don't do holidays anymore. So they used to have family gatherings for birthdays. Anybody had a birthday, they had big birthday parties and all they also don't celebrate birthdays so the only thing from what i understand the only thing jehovah's witnesses celebrate is wedding anniversaries you're allowed to celebrate that because that has something to do with god that's something you know that's some god shit so yeah they're like oh okay you can celebrate that whereas nothing else uh can so uh any of that's any other holidays you can can't celebrate Arbor Day, for Christ's sake. You can't allow them to plant a tree.

You're robbing yourself of great meals. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Christmas, Thanksgiving, who gives a fuck what it's about? It's the food. You've been to my house on Christmas Eve. It's wild, man. I'm celebrating food.

I'm not celebrating Jesus. It's a wild scene here. Yeah, Jesus. Christ, man. That's what they need. They need a good italian christmas eve it'll change your whole see how few people mention jesus yeah have a goddamn steak it's just a lot of food that's all they're mentioning is uh indigestion possibly will come up they'll go

jesus christ oh i'll be saying jesus but it's because i'm so full i'm really full um now the families though they missed them obviously they, the families, though, they missed them, obviously. They missed the family, but they actually respected their lifestyle. They weren't like, you know, Rob and Diana weren't like, oh, well, fuck yourselves. They were just like, listen, we just came out to celebrate that stuff. So it was still all very nice and friendly. Everything was very friendly. 1982, there's another child due.

They have a little girl at that point named jolene jolene jolene jolene so yeah um that's when they left the a-frame house because they had been living there with clint in the a-frame house the little boy yeah he's fucking six by 1982 that's a rugged little six-year-old clint is rugged yeah clint can like take a tree down no problem rob a rope around that side. Hold on, let me get the chains. And he's just walking over there, cigarette hanging out of his mouth. You're like, he's five.

That's wild. Plugging the lights into the battery. Yeah, hold on. Let me hook the battery up to that. Get some power in here. You're like, who is this kid? Who is this child? So that's what they were doing.

They left there for a rental house in Colville. And that's when they moved to Colville. Clint entered the first grade at the school in Colville. And Rob started a lawn mowing business that became pretty damn successful. And Diana ended up taking it over and ran it with Rob's sister, Faye. No shit. Yeah, they ran the lawn mowing business together and rob started a logging business so okay started one business had them take it over and then moved on to

logging green we'll cut it yeah he wants to retire early let's get businesses going i can't log forever so he's doing all that he's laboring in the woods he's out there sunrise to after dark i mean working 12 14 hour days out work in the sun out yeah that's what he had to do i mean it was he's making his own money clint would say later that he remembered one time that rob totaled his pickup truck because he worked from you know he was working 15 16 hours and he just fell asleep at the wheel. Now, after a few years, everything seems to be going fine, but sometime in the mid-80s, Rob says, I'm not into

this religion shit anymore. He goes, I'm not doing this Jehovah's Witness shit anymore. He realizes he's been robbed of a good steak. He said that he questioned the teachings, first of all. He didn't like the fact that they couldn't celebrate holidays, and he said that he didn't like the church goers because they were quote gossipy so gossip and ask people i'm gonna not fucking have a goddamn giant turkey and a roast beef i'm

gonna do all this i'm gonna miss out on trimmings and and and put up with this stuffing and on top of all this shit you people are to talk behind my back and whisper? Fuck you. I'm going to eat Christmas dinner on your front lawn, bitch. Fuck you. That's right. I want a meat lollipop. That's what I want.

That's right. Tell your husband what I said. Tell him to come the fuck over, too. God damn it. Come Christmas morning. We'll be opening presents, bitch. Fuck you. He left.

I'll be lies to you. Comes over and has a fucking steak on Christmas. Then comes home burping rosemary in your face. That's burping a garlic glaze. God damn. So Diana, though, she stays in the church. Yeah. She stays in the church and continues to raise the children as Jehovah's Witnesses.

Half the beds religious? Essentially, yeah. The two kids and her are Jehovah's Witnesses, and he's like, I'm a man of the logs. That's what I am. I believe in the tree god. Leave me the fuck alone. I'm not interested in this. So there was that.

They argued some about religion and mainly about how to raise the kids but it was never he's so laid back that it is it doesn't ever and she's she's not a you know aggressive either so i mean between the two of them they're looking for solutions and they're looking to work stuff out so it's not like they're you know nobody's too crazy so these two are reasonable people and they tend to work things out together, which is pretty great, honestly. So good for them. Now, their daughter, Jolene, in 2000, she's 18 years old. As we said, she was born in 82.

Jolene had to do she did much of the housework because she's a senior at Colville High School. She's got a lot going on, too. She is an honor student. She plays tennis. She's in the choir. She's also got a boyfriend who nobody really knows yet. The family doesn't know. But we think she's possibly engaged to be married at this point as well.

Shit. To her boyfriend, Dylan Simpkins. So, um, you know, that's, she's got that going. She hasn't told her family yet.

They don't know. He's, they're going to react, but that's in there. Uh, she's looking forward to graduating. Everybody's super nice. She's one of these girls.

Um, she seems like she's, uh, she's like kind of sweet for being 18 and for sweet. I mean, kind of youngish, like, uh, she's 18 and for sweet i mean kind of youngish like uh she's 18 and like her room she has a winnie the pooh floor mat still and stuff like that like she's into like you know cartoony you know nothing bad just right just a couple years behind her

yeah but she's does everything like everybody else she just likes kitty stuff like that you know she has like toys and like stuffed animals everywhere and you know she's 18 year old with the hello kitty shit all over that's it she's really into in sync yeah at the time she loves in sync she's got pictures you know the pictures from photo booths she's got them lining her her fucking mirror in her room i mean seriously that's all actually there she has a uh you know her a jean jacket she wears all the time. Hanging up is her pressed cheerleader outfit as well. She's not a cheerleader, by the way.

She just has one. She just, I don't know, she just wants to throw down some spice up the night with Dylan or what. But no, she likes to play jokes. And one night she and her friend dressed up as cheerleaders to play a joke on her boyfriend, I guess. They were doing something. I don't know. She bought a cheerleader outfit to play a joke on her boyfriend i guess they were doing something i don't know she bought a cheerleader outfit to play a joke prank and then kept it kept it because it's an expensive joke i could see his dick was hard so i was like all right so i figured you know this may work later keep this for later so either way no jolene uh

jolene is just a nice kid nice kid they all say to her friends, say she makes handmade gifts for people all the time. And not like garbage either. She's talented at engraving. She knows how to engrave shit. And she's really good at flower arrangements as well. Sick. So she engraves things for people. This is what I want my daughter to do.

She's cool as shit. She's a really, really, really nice girl. And everybody says she's always happy and smiling and has nothing to be upset about in life, just happy as a pig and shit. Now, she's got a younger brother here who was born in 1984, two years younger than her, much like you have. How much older is your older sister? My older sister is two years older than me. There you go. So same exact thing here.

He's a baby-faced real baby face look if you look at his face he looks like he's 10 but he's six foot one about 240 pounds wow yeah he's a big boy at 16 that's wild yeah uh that's william lee is his name um goes by willie willie willie hi willie that's well i'm gonna be i've never met a 16 year old willie have you no never right you don't get to be willie like 45 i think my stepbrother's uh name was william uh and he went by scott yeah there's no 16 year old willies there's 16 year old billies but there's no 16 year old willies that just doesn't work like that willie's weird willie is weird for a 16 year old i think when it became synonymous with a dick people stopped saying it that was well before 2000 so when you have a name like william you can choose several names that's the other part there's like eight fucking nicknames

for that and you pick the worst one. You pick Willie. It's like someone's name, Richard. You can go with Rick. You can be Ricky. You can be Rich. You can be Richie. And you're like, how about Dick? What?

You have four other options. You're going with that? And Richie might be the scariest one. That's like the most intimidating one, I think. Yeah, Richie's very, I got a lot of cousins named Richie. Richie's italian there's a lot of richie a lot of richie's hey richie how you doing a lot of richie's going on every kid i've known named richie was into some bad shit yeah ricky is a kid who gets laid in high school and then works at like rope swing either dies on a rope swing or or works at the music shop in town until it goes out of business

and then you never hear from him again. One of the two. He's a rope swing guy. And he's smoked since he's 11. Oh, always. Everybody in town's first cigarette was with Ricky. He was like, just try it. Don't be a pussy.

No, you got to inhale. I saw it. You didn't inhale. With his Motley Crue Girls Girls Girls t-shirt when he was 11. You'll feel it. You'll know when you inhale. It hurts, right? It's awesome. Yeah, you're going to get lightheaded. Isn't that great? So Willie drives a red pickup truck. That's what Willie's up to here. Likes to fish in a nearby creek. Hangs out.

Nice kid around the neighborhood. There's a neighbor here who's a waitress at the restaurant in town and she says that he sometimes plays with her grandkids and always seem like seems like a nice guy to her you know so that's good um he has a little he ran into some trouble recently as we'll talk about um nothing huge but kind of kid shit here he was homeschooled this past year they took him out of school and homeschooled him and when you hear what he was doing in school you'll go okay well that makes sense a change was clearly needed it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky and part comedy.

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with part two as it airs on Max starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. So his brother and sister had attended Colville, the school in Colville, but he was homeschooled this last year. Now, it started out in second grade. Basically, they tried to make special efforts to help him. He's not dumb either, by the way. That's the thing. He's a smart kid.

He just has no focus. It seems like he just needs – he's ADHD or some shit. He has no focus at all, as we'll talk about here. So in second grade, they tried to help him. Didn't really work. They moved him up to third grade here. His teacher reported in third grade that he was rarely on task. So that seems about right.

By fourth grade, he was failing math, science, and PE. Not doing well. Yeah. Failing math and science, which those are ones if you have ADD, they're very hard to keep your fucking attention because they're- PE, generally, if you're failing some sort of academic something, you can manage PE. That's pretty easy. Unless he just doesn't want to do what he did. By now, by 2000, he is on his third try at the seventh grade oh no it's his

third try and he's 16 years old and he's huge and he's six foot one 240 pounds in the seventh grade he if he didn't stand out from all the rumor mill of everybody knowing that he's held back he's certainly standing out when he walks above the crowd. The other kids are 12. He's 16. That's a big difference. He drives to seventh grade. That should tell you something.

Boy, oh boy. That's not good. I didn't drive to seventh grade. Nope. Nope. Drove to 11th grade, not seventh grade. Yeah. So he's also got a little bit of a uh of a problem oh that was in the sixth grade

this is probably a part of it too he was in his school record he had 43 minor misbehavior infractions in the sixth grade 43 that's when they write you up you get a referral he had 43 referrals in the sixth grade you know many that's? That's a lot. That's a lot. 43 is like every third day you get a referral. That's a lot, man. There's nine weeks and a quarter. What is that? I guess 36?

I think the school year is 180 days. Yeah. That tells you that. That's so many. That's a lot. It's like every four days you're getting written up. That's too many. Not great. One of the infractions was for hacking into a teacher's computer and changing the password on her.

At least it's funny. That's kind of funny, actually. Yeah, they weren't. He's not, like, bullying people. He's not pushing anybody down. He's just kind of doesn't. He's ADD. He doesn't stay on task.

He does his own thing. And then the shit that he gets into is this. So he's not dumb. You can't be dumb to hack into somebody's computer and change your password you're not a moron obviously so there's something something going on here he uh one of his uh aunts said that quote uh will was one of the most gentle kids that she ever came across uh this is faye saying that she said diana said he was always the most loving boy. When he was eight or nine, he'd rub her hand and look at her and say, I love you, Mommy. So, yeah, little kids do that kind of shit.

So Faye said, I didn't see anything but a big teddy bear until he was 14. And that's when he started acting out. When he was 14, he wanted to drive. And he would take the car out and go for too far and long. He would be like, I'm going to go down the street and back. And then he would take it out into the forest and drive around and shit like that, which the thing about that is you just don't let the kid drive at all when they're 14. That works also.

Because generally that's against the law. Against the law. But in these very, very rural areas, not a small town. We're talking there's 100 people here. There's nobody here. So the rules are a little bit different. There's no cops unless you call them, first of all. They're not like they're driving down the street, so he's not going to get pulled over or any bullshit like that.

So it's just the rules of engagement are a little different when it comes to this type of deal. And even in Arizona, I would drive street legal vehicles. I would drive them in the desert. But the difference is I wouldn't get it back out on the fucking road and go home. Yeah, he's tearing ass all around. So he wanted to do that. I guess he stayed out, started staying out.

He stayed out like all night a couple of times and started to drink. He'd like hang out and drink with his friends in the woods. When he hit puberty, that's when the weight gain came on so he started getting real big real fast and uh started having more trouble in school like not just staying on task with the disciplinary problems that's when the sixth grade 43 infractions failing seventh grade twice all that sort of thing so um but very good with computers they said that's one thing um he also hacked into a teacher's computer at one point to change students grades so i thought that was fun too now you're doing now you're doing bad shit yeah but still pretty damn cool it's bad but

when suzy did it for dustin on stranger things everybody said oh isn't that cute right that was fine then oh it's great when it's for dusty buns now we're all fucking happy yeah but he's got a fat ass here does it yeah he's got curly hair and a lisp it's fine and he plays with radios and shit yeah you know because he sets up a ham radio you can't be upset with that so yeah he's doing that sort of thing you know he's hanging out his father would brag to everybody who would listen that william's gonna be able to make a lot of money without ever having to fucking labor in the woods like the last three generations of his family is what he would say

he's gonna get it by hacking into the bank's mainframe and transferring it into his account yeah but in 2000 dude do you remember that time if anybody knew anything about knew anything about computers, people were like, he's a computer genius. He's going to go. Because you'd see people who knew about computers, quote unquote, if you didn't know it, they're making billions of dollars. So he's going to do the same thing. Meanwhile, every 16-year-old knows how to do the shit that he was doing, I'm sure. But just kind of the way it was. Parents don't know how to do it, so they're impressed.

Yeah, exactly. He became interested in uh the internet at this point too he's getting into the internet more he likes playing computer games and shit like that um he even they didn't even know he was on the internet they didn't know he was using the internet because he spliced a telephone line coming into the house and secretly ran a cable for his modem into his bedroom out of that that's genius so that's what i mean the kids he's got resourceful he's resourceful so he'd be doing that um fay the aunt said he uh he'd be up until two or three in the morning typing away up there so that's what he'd be doing um and that was instead of doing like homework and shit which

is why he's 16 years old in the goddamn seventh grade, which is remarkable. That's insanity. I can't even process that. Yeah. I mean, at least utilize the internet. Yeah. At least utilize the internet to absorb some information to maybe boost you into eighth grade. Yeah, exactly.

Fuck, look it up by now. I'd just be tired of hearing the same crap for the third time by now. Even if I wasn't interested, I'd be like, I got to get out of here. How do you do the seventh grade twice and still not have all the answers? Yeah, right? Remember it, bro, by now. By now, you should know it all. Oh, yeah.

Well, I tried A and B. Let's try C this time. You got to do it four times because you the right answer was d yeah shit all the above damn it process of elimination eventually i'll get it one more time let's go through seventh grade so also the previous summer here in uh in 2000 and that summer he ran away from home for a few days yeah and uh ran away from home got in a little trouble while he was gone and he took 25 dollars worth of rolled coins yeah and a silver bar you know like those bars that are actual thing worth 166 dollars from a neighbor's home so he like broke in and stole shit yeah he got 190 dollars 190 dollars is his big haul because he ran away so he needs money

um and he ends up being charged with theft for that though yeah he actually is charged uh arrested and everything else he is sentenced to you little young man uh can fuck off uh 12 months of community supervision so probation for 12 months basically and 40 months of community supervision. So probation for 12 months basically. And 40 hours of community service at the nearby dog patch animal shelter. That sounds like a great time. That sounds like fun, which is operated by his neighbor of his name, Joyce.

And Joyce described him as quote, a pleasant, the somewhat quiet boy who said that he felt unwanted at home. That's what she told him. She recalled an incident where while she was, this is weird, he became angry. She doesn't know why. She doesn't know what caused it, what, you know, set him off. But he ran into the woods and beat the bark off of a tree with a hammer.

Oh, that's dangerous. Which is just a weird thing to do that's just you're you got pops around man how can you be so mad i need to beat things with a hammer like that is just fucking very very strange i don't know if that was at the dog shelter or around the neighborhood though because that's a neighbor too so i'm not sure he said she ended up saying joyce said that uh it does appear there was some anger and some arguments that have occurred not just recently but over some period of time with him, obviously. He spent six days in Martin Hall Juvenile Detention Center in Medical Lake. What a terrible name for a lake.

That's gross. Sounds like there's going to be bloody gauze and syringes washing up on shore medical lake don't go in there biohazard signs everywhere a lot of insulin sampling kits yeah disgusting jesus so uh after he got out of martin hall and was put on probation his brother clint his big brother had to talk with him. His big brother's... He's the baby, right? Yeah. He's got his brother, his sister, and then him.

And then him, yeah. And he's being a shithead. So Clint's got to come to Jesus. He's got a little brother, too, who we'll talk about in a second. Oh, there's four of them. Yeah, there's four kids all together. So he ends up... His big brother has to have a talk with him, though.

Big brother doesn't even live in the house anymore. He moved out. He's going to have a man-to-man chat with him here. And he said, listen, dude, I'll make a deal with you. It's a good older brother. This is like John Cusack in Stand By Me or some shit. Very good older brother. He said, if you agree, Willie, to behave and do your chores and do everything mom and dad tell you to do,

Willie to behave and do your chores and do everything mom and dad tell you to do. Um, I, your mom said she agreed that she will buy the parts to fix up that old white Camaro that's sitting on the property. Hell yeah. Clint said, I will help you put it together and I'll do the mechanical work with you,

teach you and get it up and running together and you'll have a better car. So that's pretty cool. I would say of older brother. So that's the deal they make with him uh he tried diana tried to homeschool him that's why he he hasn't been in school the last year because he's been homeschooled by diana just because he had so much problem in school so she's like maybe this will be easier maybe it'll be better to focus but it doesn't go well at all and he's all set to this is we're talking december of 2000 he's set to go back to public school in colville after the christmas break to go be a third time seventh grader who's 16 years old in high school in school so um yeah he he registered there and uh he's ready to go ready to go uh one of his friend's

parents said he's a good kid i never saw him do drugs or drink or anything he was friendly and very nice always so but he does drink sometimes but not around people he's not he's not he's not openly disrespectful he doesn't do any shit like that um now fay this uh robert's sister said she believes the lifestyle restrictions that they impose on the kids religion wise are the makes him act out and go out and drink all night. She said there are too many rules for a kid and too many things that make them different. A kid doesn't say the Pledge of Allegiance and other kids call him a communist because that's the other thing, too. You can't say the Pledge of Allegiance.

There's a bunch of different things. So that's it is northeastern washington so i mean i think a lot of things will get you what's your hair growing past your ears you goddamn communist like there's a lot of beard down to the chest hair shaved up tight god damn it jesus christ these people are never going to learn what the correct look is supposed to be that's america that's america so uh she said it does appear there's some anger and some arguments that have occurred though in there so um but she said he also are the principal of the school that all the kids went to said that he always seems very close to his

sister um i've never heard a derogatory word that he's ever said about his family or anything so you know he just seems like a troubled 16 year old and then there's wesley it's a pretty good appraisal of what kids are too because even in even in a godless house even in my house where we had no religion there was still rules you know i mean and those rules hampered down on you feel like uh a weight and feel like you can handle more and this is bullshit that these people would do this to me and then you add religion and religious style rules man it that that's heavy and you

had the fact that on all the kids birthdays there's cupcakes except on your birthday and then when all they break the cupcakes out guess what you get to do go out and fucking hallway and sit there you have to go sit in the hallway I remember that girl she'd have to leave while we ate cupcakes. Awful.

I'm like, what kind of God doesn't want you to have cupcakes? That's a terrible, terrible deity. Like, fuck, man. We did one of those parades at school on Halloween where we all, like, fucking did makeup or whatever, got into a costume, and then walked through the fucking halls. Yeah. The girl in our class that was Jehovah decided that day, she's like fucking i'm

breaking the rules she's like can i borrow your makeup and she did yeah made herself a clown and wandered through the fucking school that's so sad that now she's burning in hell that's so sad i ruined her poor thing that's right so uh they did that in 1988 they had Wesley. So it was 84, Williams born, Wesley's born in 88. Now, Diana said she felt awful when she was pregnant with Wesley, too. She said the other kids were easy for her to have, but after Wesley, she said she felt really tired. And she's like, maybe I'm getting older. I don't know what it was. But it turns out she's diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at that point yeah so she has ms my stepfather

has ms it's vicious nasty terrible stuff man nasty and you need you need the the medications make it livable you know what i mean it really really helps a lot uh but she it said that the drugs helped her temporarily but then the symptoms returned and she started going into decline which a lot of times with ms you have to switch drugs change it's a nasty disease it really is it's really nasty and rest is important and if she's out there mowing lawns and shit in the summer that's not helping it's it's rough um so uh pam ham said quote so from then on no more doctors she didn't trust them she was afraid they'd make her worse um so she instead sought out herbal and homeopathic remedies um and uh rob started working more hours even as what he would do and um while this happened clint always said

it was his father's way of dealing with it he just worked more and uh so diana though she tried to be active and tried to keep going um she said no one ever heard her complain or anything like that she just tried to do her shit uh she went from having to walk with a cane to a walker to a wheelchair so she just went steadily downhill when it comes to that um now wesley we've talked about the other kids wesley not much a lot he's he's 12 there's not a lot going on with him he plays video games he's very much into video games and um that's about it he likes to dye his hair like blue and orange and shit for fun sometimes yeah he's everybody said he's the jokester of the family he's the uh yeah he's the

guy always trying to always with one-liners and making jokes old wes uh yeah they wesley and william share a room together by the way really yeah they have to share a room together and so there's the two sides of the room wes has like you know teddy bears and baseball and football cards and then william has you know cds with his computer games on it and big stereo speakers and shit like that so you can tell who's on which side they also have a dog named mija m-e-h-a mija mija yeah mija yeah mija daughter in spanish i didn't know how you spell that yeah that's not that that's a that's not H-A. Is it in Spanish? M-I-H-A, yeah. Oh, M-I-J-A.

Yeah, that's what I mean. This is M-E-H-A. This is a completely different word. It's a four-letter word with two of the letters being different. I don't think that's the same word. It's got to be the same thing, though, right? I don't know. Maybe that's what they...

Unless it's forward thinking of Mia. Mia, you never know. So they have the dog. They live at 2228 Marble Valley Basin Road, which is actually eight miles northwest of Addie Proper. So it's in the middle of fucking nowhere. I'll post the picture. It is in the middle of nowhere. time of right around the time wesley was born is when they bought three acres on marble valley road and uh rob with some family help every now and then a lamb ham came over the guys and the older brother yeah they just played they just jammed they just did like they just rocked out like some

fucking metallica and like uh and it just came together the house built itself it was really cool yeah so no they built it actually they never borrowed money for construction they just built it and it just came together. The house built itself. It was really cool. They built it, actually. They never borrowed money for construction. They just built it as they could. And finally, in 1992, so four years or so of this, they left their rental house in Colville and moved into their new house

that Rob built with his own hands. Can you imagine building a house? If me and you built a house with our own hands. Unreal. Can you imagine building a house? If me and you built a house with our own hands. I assure you we could do it. It would be the most. It wouldn't be a house. Dude, it would be so much fun for people to watch us swear and be furious while we're doing it.

How little would you trust that structure, though? You'd tell people, don't go in there. Good God, don't go inside. We'd be in a lot of trouble. Jesus Christ. We could do it. You tell people, don't go in there. Good God, don't go inside. We'd be in a lot of trouble. We could do it. You have children. Don't go in there. My God.

We could do it. I didn't say it'd be up to code. No. There's an old son, Seinfeld, once. He goes, what's a log cabin? We could build a cabin. He goes, well, maybe not us, but two men could. I assure you, we could build a cab. And he goes, well, maybe not us, but two men could. I assure you we could do it.

It's a two-story, three-bedroom home. Two stories? Two stories. You got to trust. You got to be load-bearing? No. No. I was going to say.

I'm not doing that. No, our shit would be the floor would be laying on top of dirt because we would not trust anything. And he'd be like, that roof's not sturdy. Be careful. I'm not building stairs. Oh, no. This is an actual thing here.

It's a wood heated home. So it's got wood stoves in the basement that do the whole deal there. Not doing that either. Got to make sure it's fireproof. You got to make sure. Also, you got to make sure to keep loading firewood or else your house is going to get real cold real fast. So, yeah, he built all of this. It's got a brown metal roof wood heat it's it's got no siding on it's kind

of unfinished still though it's got no siding on it that's not really important to him i guess so then uh clint at this point by the way clint doesn't live at home anymore he's 24 years old he abandoned the religion at 15 okay he was he was done at 15 when he moved in with his girlfriend at that point he found jesus somewhere i'm done i'm out i've looked i've looked into jesus's eyes and it's wonderful and uh i'm gonna go find some uh the 16 year old chick that i'm with here yeah he continued to work for for his dad though and with his dad because his dad's not in the religion either so he doesn't he's like hey i feel you you know so um and it's weird too in his mother and father's families clint's mother you know diane and rob's families kids leave home

early so she got married when she was 15 her sister got married when she was 17 um the her his uncle dropped out of school and was a welder as a teenager a teenage welder uh fay left home and got married at 16 it's just they go this is amazing fay says quote we weren't insecure people we knew we could make it out there we went out there and got work and got married jesus that sounds like a tough upbringing so during the 1990s that's when rob built his blogging business called lembeck family logging and uh he grew up like i said he grew up working his uh peggy lembeck said quote when he grew up working at the mill all the men were decent and honorable this is what his mother says he wanted to he wanted that for his family and his kids and his younger brothers he was trying to get them in on his dream

his dream was to be a rock star so yeah um at at 12 clint was already driving trucks in the woods for him yeah like driving logging trucks yeah moving the wood a few years later he was working a huge machine called a han h-a-h-n some sort of uh it picks it picks up felled trees trims their branches and cuts them to fit on the lock so it's like that big thing that they put a whole tree through and it like god and comes out a fucking log that they put on the truck he's operating that machine as a teenager 15 years old that's what he's doing clint so the thing that just has the clamp it picks up the log and yeah what the fuck sucks it through yeah the most dangerous machine maybe known to man you get anything sucked in there it's over for you yeah the only more

dangerous job would be walking on scaffolding above a big smelting vat or something in one of those like a movie factory like an action movie that's the only more dangerous job otherwise it's this so uh clint said he taught me how to be one of the best i'm a machine operator i have a natural ability with machines if it uses diesel i can run it so he said that's what he does so he got right in there uh he got two of his brothers rob did had two of his brothers a cousin his son and, Faye, and a bunch of other family members all working for his business. One year, his company made a million dollars. He was really excited about that. So Faye said, but we all had our lives and different ideas of what we wanted to do with them.

So not everybody wanted to be loggers. So they kind of drifted away from the business. So they kind of drift. They drifted away from the business. And Rob would mainly by 2000, he's either working alone or with his cousin, Keith, who everyone has a cousin, Keith, who needs a job. So, yeah, he's doing that. He's hauling logs. He's making real good money, though, when he does it. He's wants to retire in the next year.

His younger brother, Sam, said he was in a position where he might have had to work only a few days a month after that he was going to be fine so what a dream this brings us to december 23rd uh 2000 here two days before christmas two days before christmas which doesn't matter in this house as we've said right now that's a good point yeah that's not a big deal now around this time diana was trying to one of the main things she was doing was making quilts and family photo albums with decorative cloth covers that she would stitch that's what she's doing now that's her big thing so she goes upstairs to jolene's room and crafts some shit here um so they would get they she'd give them as gifts to people, these big family photo albums and quilts and shit, which, hey, I'll take a homemade quilt. Oh, boy.

They're so good. Hit me up. Yeah, that's good shit. They're heavy and so nice. Rob's brother Sam said those photo albums were so tenderly put together, just going through them was like getting a hug from her. Oh, boy. So that's how nice they were, I guess, because normally people would be like, oh, great oh great they gave us a photo album must be really nice to go out of your way she would get upstairs by scooting on her ass step by step oh god because of the ms that's heartbreaking um sometimes when

she was too tired and beat because the ms also takes the energy out of you yeah her kids would haul her around the house in a sleeping bag. They'd put her in a sleeping bag and like, like she was getting rescued from a mountain. They would fucking carry her around, slide her on the floor, wheel in that house when he built it and unveiled it to her and smack him square in the face.

Fucking stairs. Two stories. Really? You son of a bitch. Where's the bedroom up there? I'm going to have a raised ranch hey no all right well thanks thanks no thanks this is great look well you didn't have it when i started drawing the plans i don't know so that's what they would do jolene would be the

one who stepped up and the worse uh diana's health would get the more jolene would pick up around the house she'd take care of her mom family members say Jolene is a saint that's what they would say all the time she like I said honor role student tennis player member of the school choir and has a part time job at Colville espresso stand and also

she has a boyfriend so she could not have more shit going on in her life she has no time but she still gets finds time. She is going to be the first of her kids of the kids to graduate because Clint was working in the forest since he was young. And the family was planning a huge party in the spring. And it's going to be a huge deal. She's saving money for a car.

And she's talking about marriage as well. So she bought him a Christmas present, by the way. Oh, her boyfriend. shit dylan's not a jehovah's witness and they they think it was probably the first christmas present she's ever bought in her life so amazing she was excited about that because things have loosened up this year for some reason i don't know what's up with diana but that night on the 23rd she made a big turkey dinner with all the fixings which is um now what they would do is they cheated a little bit. Their wedding anniversary is December 15th.

So they would have a big feast that night. It's Christmas. They'd have Christmas dinner and do presents and shit, but it would be on their wedding anniversary. So they just pretend that they were celebrating that to not get in trouble with god or whatever so i don't know uh pam ham said i always made that their christmas i always made that their christmas sending gifts for each kid it would be so close to christmas i know they were waiting for that package every year because they got no christmas presents otherwise so um she um during this year people said she seemed to kind of change her view toward the holidays a little bit because that thanksgiving out of nowhere um the family attended thanksgiving

at faye's house for the first time in 20 years they've been to thanksgiving and they just said we're coming this year so they were like yeah dylan's having one we're gonna come see it yeah and then on the 23rd uh december 23rd diana spoke on the phone with pam ham here her sister and she was talking about celebrating christmas she it's all changed she was telling her sister she said you know what she said she was just tired she said uh quote i can't see what's wrong with Christmas. It's just family getting together, giving gifts. Yeah. Right. That's people going with Jim Jones.

I don't understand why I can't be in the same house with my wife. I don't understand why my kids have to be. It's just weird. Why are we doing this? This makes no sense. We've seen Dylan's family. They're celebrating some shit and doesn't seem like anything's wrong. There's a lot of smiles and hugs and love and happiness.

They seem close together as a family and bonding and that seems like a good idea so pam was really excited to hear diana talk that way because they wanted to celebrate together so uh she wanted her to be there pam and her sister were always on the phone together talking um they had nicknames for each other each other diana was rosanna hannah which is like rosanna rosanna dana i guess yeah and uh that was her nickname and pam she called her ethel because i think that's a lucy and ethel yeah uh reference so i like that like tv they like tv that's what i was just gonna say they have comedy references that is each other's things a couple of great ones yeah gilda radner and fucking uh vivian vance perfect not bad good shit so um

anyway as diana got you know morse ill pam would try to make these phone calls upbeat and let's make them happy and that sort of shit here um pam called her on the 23rd at 9 p.m woke her up diana was already asleep uh diana said it was telling her it was a kind of a rough night she made a whole big turkey dinner but then she got her and rob got in a big fight oh no that's all she would say uh she wouldn't get into the details but she said they had a big fight she left the dinner and just went to bed because she was too tired to fight over it and um so she didn't even eat the whole dinner she just didn't care about it so anyway pam didn't know what the fight was about but uh they would argue back and forth

sometimes. Pam tried not to pry. She said, whatever she wants to tell me is fine. She thinks they disagreed about the kids' discipline mainly. Rob was laid back and Diana wanted structure and all that sort of thing. So, you know, a lot of people argue that way. That day, though, the argument

was more than likely about William, as we'll talk about. So let's fast forward six days to December 29th, 2000. OK, Clint, Clint isn't there. Clint asked. Clint calls and wants to talk to the parents. You know what's going on? Where's dad? No one's seen dad or mom or anybody in six days.

But it's over the holidays. Everybody else celebrates holidays. They don't. So they're kind of used to them not being around for a few days and they kind of catch up after the holidays kind of get a nice vacation uh between the 25th and the first there's not a lot of work happening anyway yeah nothing's happening so it's cold up there so william tells clint uh they're not here they went to california to visit sick relative. Oh. So Clint's like, okay. Then Clint asks other relatives, do we know anyone in California? Do we have family in California that's sick?

Everyone's like, not that I know of. I don't even know if we have family in California. I have no idea. That's super weird. So then Diana's brother, Andy Davenport, he shares a driveway with them. Yeah. So his house is right next door. So he shares a driveway with them yeah so his house is right next door so he shares a driveway he hadn't heard from them either and he said hey where where is everybody i haven't

seen anybody and william said oh they went to california but all their cars were still there all of them yeah so like well that's weird um that's very strange walk yeah really strange and andy and clint had both come over to the house. And one thing they saw that was really weird was they saw Diana's purse, which was odd. They were like, she went to California without her purse? That's a little bit weird. So both Andy and a neighbor end up calling the police and saying, go check on them. Just do a welfare check here.

Just Willie. Eh, something's going on here. So a neighbor here, this is a local waitress, she says that she noticed the family hadn't been around for a few days. She saw that the family's horse had gotten loose, and she tried to call them and couldn't get a hold of them. She said, I'd see the lights on, I'd call, and nobody would answer the phone.

So what's up with that shit um then she said she called the sheriff's office asking them to contact the lembecks regarding the horse just tell them their horse is out and she said that's the last i heard about it till today when i saw all the police cars oh boy so um this is what happened here uh the deputies they bunch of deputies too, two in particular, Paul Murray and Deputy Dwayne Johnson. Fantastic. So Paul Murray shows up with the rock. They walk through the fucking door. Everybody's very intimidated. They're doing a welfare check here.

It's late night, early morning type, you know, into the next day of December 30th. And they arrive at the home. While the deputies pull up in the driveway, William is trying to back out of the driveway in his pickup truck. Okay. The deputy pulled into the driveway, parked his car, and then the other, you know, the rock pulls in behind him. They're two separate cars, and they kind of block him in there, basically, because they're parked behind him. He, William, had three people in the car with him. He had three friends with him in the pickup truck.

So the deputy told him they were concerned about his family and where they were. He said, I don't know where they were, but if you want to go look for them in the house, go ahead. Knock yourself out. You know, I'm hanging out trying to figure this chick, so I don't know where they were but if you want to go look for them in the house go ahead knock yourself out you know I'm hanging out trying to figure this chick so I don't know what you're doing yeah uh so the deputy one of the deputies said can we look in the bedroom of your parents bedroom and he said I don't give a shit go look wherever you want so he goes in the bedroom finds the parents finds Rob's wallet and Diana's purse and their identification is in there and everything you don't go to california without that you generally don't leave without your id in the

modern times so um yeah they're like all right that's weird all the family vehicles are there all the wallets and purses are there jolene's purse is there as well um really strange yeah so they're like this is fucking odd the closer look, one of the cops is outside, and a couple of them are inside. The cop outside notices some blood spots in the snow outside. Uh-oh. The thing about snow, it's white. So when blood's in it, it really pops. Boy, does it.

Yeah. It's like Ric Flair's hair in an 80s wrestling match. When he bled, you were like, wow, look at that. That's a lot of blood. That stands out, boy. So they notice that. Then The Rock is down the hallway here, old deputy Dwayne Johnson. He noticed what looked like blood on the hot water tank and on the washing machine.

Okay. Then he looks around a little more and notices more bloodstains, notices that there is like on the wall, like you can see what looks like blood, but there's like fresh paint over it. Like someone put one layer of fresh paint over a bloody wall. He could see it coming through the wall. That's really weird. Then he starts seeing, what is that? What are these little bits of things? Little bits of flesh are all over the place what he determines to be little bits of like dried flesh are everywhere oh my so he's like okay this is uh then looks

around more see some blood on floors and places and crevices and he's like what has what has duane seen that he can recognize fucking flesh on site i can't if there was you know i mean i could recognize blood sure but if i i'm not gonna be able to determine if you're if you're a cop and you've ever been to a scene of somebody blowing their brains out all over a fucking wall you can identify it's a flesh yeah i gotta assume this place is probably pretty uh uh bleak that somebody's probably done that there's a couple people opening up a fucking sunroof i'm sure in this town there's no doubt about it positive popping a homemade sunroof up there so they um

they noticed that um and they tell him hey what's what's up with all this blood? Is that flesh? They said, quote, this is from the police report. William started sobbing and shaking and putting his hands over his face. That's a bad sign. When you say, are these chunks of flesh? And someone goes, oh, wow, something bad has happened here. Then they said, quote, William lembeck admitted the shooting deaths of his father mother brother and sister in the family residence he admitted taking the bodies two miles

away in his father's truck to a roadside ditch that was easy okay yeah he just spilled it i did it oh god yeah um it gets way weirder don't worry um you got it by the way you got it here stick around for why because the why is the crazy part so he admits all this shit he admitted taking the bodies admitted doing all this shit they said the house looked like he's been lived just staying there for a week just hanging out um they said the house was torn apart it looks it looked fucking torn apart ransacked the uh robert's brother sam said it was like someone had ripped it off its foundation shaken it upside down then slammed it back down they boggled it that's what the house looked like he did that's what they yeah that's what william

did um so they were like uh whoa he just admitted to quadruple murder without being Mirandized. Oh, no. Yeah. So they said, hey, you want to sign this form, please? And they read him his rights and everything. He did not ask for a lawyer, and he consented to further search after that as well. Now, upon further investigation, the Rock sees blood on a light fixture as well well and then sees flesh on a kitchen ornament. So they're finding it in other places, too. They're like, there's more flesh and more blood all over the house. All over the house, yeah.

It's obvious someone has tried to clean it up. There's not just splatters. I mean, they painted over a goddamn wall. So the deputies decide, let's go talk to who's in the pickup truck with him and see what the fuck's going on and see if this is like some kind of murder crew or something. We don't know what's going on. So it's just some dipshit kids in there. And when they go in to talk to him, they saw blood in the bed of the pickup truck. Jesus.

And those kids didn't see it? No, apparently not. Around those parts, too, people probably have blood in the beds of their pickup trucks. They hit a moose and threw it back there. I don't know what the fuck happened so either way they uh go back in they stop searching the home at that point they're going to get a warrant for the detailed search but they arrest william they figure yeah sobbing telling you he shot four people is probably good enough to uh to do this so they interview him they bring him home or bring him home they bring him to the station

they're going to interview him and uh they said uh right away he said i dumped them uh northwest of addy off naff road that's where you can find them they go there it's about two miles from their home they're buried in a snow bank buried them in a snowbank no so when the snow melted there's going to be four bodies there like that's not a the forethought there is awful that's terrible grave yeah i'm going to get away with this for a few days is what that says like that's a terrible yeah they're going to be preserved very well in that snow too and then when the snow melts then they'll start decaying that's fucked up man it's fucking disgusting now they're all just laying there except for jolene jolene has a towel over her face no one else does she has a towel over her face

and is naked from the waist down oh no okay which is really weird um he tells them that i don't know she had pants on when i buried her okay um so someone came dug her up took her pants off and then recovered her with fucking which the funny thing not the funny thing it's disgusting but if you read anything about serial killers and especially sexually motivated ones at all uh most of the time a lot of them they will cover the victim's face afterwards it's a shame in it it's a thing that they do a lot of them so either way they said well what the fuck happened and he said that he and his father got in an argument because i didn't want to bring firewood in the house that's what he said dad said bring firewood in and i said no and i killed everybody everybody every last motherfucker

in that house over a few sticks of spruce said quote this is from the report the defendant told the officers his dad was mad at him for not helping get firewood and then the defendant got mad when his dad went into the shower he loaded the guns that's what he said he loaded two rifles while his dad was in the shower he loaded a 22 and a 308 yeah which is a hunter that's a big fucking rifle that if you live in that area you keep that for grizzly bears that's what you keep that for in case there's a grizzly bear at your house that was you know attacking your great deer hunting rifle i'm sure but i mean that's a big gun is what i'm talking about. It's not for fucking squirrels. It's a bolt action. The round it fires is big.

It'll take down a big mammal. Yeah. So they say, he says he shot his father first as he came out of the shower and into the bedroom. He was waiting for him in the bedroom, shot his father in the face. Oh, boy. In the face. His father fell down the other direction, and he shot him two more times in the head with his father in the face oh boy in the face his father fell down the other direction and he shot him two more times in the head with the 22 three shots in the head with

the 22 so his mother and his older sister and his little brother were in the kitchen and living room which is a small little area yeah oh absolutely um so he came in there and he found his mom next and he shot her three times in the head and another four times in the body. He shot his mom seven times in the upper right extremities. It said shot twice in the head, once in the back and hands, arms, all sorts of other places as well. He then moves over and he finds Wesley. Wesley is shot once in the head at close range while he's in the living room floor after that. And Jolene is shot multiple times as well in the head. So, yeah, this is, he says also they said firewood he said also that his father was quote threatening to kick him out and send me back to martin hall

back to juvenile hall that's what he said but the lash out is certainly angrier at mom and angrier at jolene there you go and dad three Yeah, but dad only got three. Once one was in the face, though, because he caught dad completely by surprise. Yeah, probably naked. Dad's the threat you got to take out, okay? Got to take that threat out and kill him. Mom got it big time. Jolene got it. Wesley has no beef with.

One shot. One shot, back of the head, clean, done. That's it. So he says, quote, I i got mad and when he went in the shower i loaded the guns um he said that um he shot his father in the after he shot him in the back of the head he said his mother quote just couldn't say anything scared i guess you think yeah she's got ms she can't fight back she can't run run away. Right. You're fucking trapped. That's terrifying.

People drag her around in a sleeping bag and push her around in a wheelchair, you fucking jerk. He said his brother and sister were also scared and they tried to hide on the living room floor. I guess tried to hide under something. I mean, Jesus Christ. He said then he loaded the bodies into his dad's pickup truck and dumped them along about two miles from the house. He came home, tried to mop up the blood, paint over the bloody walls in the kitchen, clean up the scene. Literally bled through. Yeah, that's it.

Clean up the scene as best he can. He claimed that he shot his dad because his dad was going to kick him out. He only shot the other three because they were witnesses. So, you know, had to take them out. shot the other three because they were witnesses so you know had to take them out um diane by the way was shot with the 22 a whole bunch but also shot with the 308 once in the head the 308 was only fired once and it was at diane's head unbelievable everybody else got the 22 uh robert three times in the head jolene twice in the head once in the back, Wesley once in the head with the 22. Those were all 22s.

And, um, yeah, he said, uh, Jesus Christ, man. So, uh, the Robert and Wesley both suffered contact wounds, meaning it was right up against him. Um, that fuck man. Yeah. Um, fuck man. Yeah. Diane shot two different rifles, four times in the right arm, shoulder and hands and three times in the head. And she was trying to ward off what was going on here.

Um, when asked why he shot his mother, sister and brother quote, the defendant stated he didn't know, then agreed. He shot them cause they were witnesses. He didn't want to say, and then they were like, is it cause they're witnesses? And he was like, yeah, yeah. That's why. Cause they're witnesses. That sounds good.

Cause we'll find out why. Um, they said that they figured Wesley was the only person in the family that he quote had no reason to be angry with. And that's what he said as well. And, uh, that's why he was only killed with one shot.

Um, he told them all about his trying to cover up the crime and making up the story about the sick uncle in California and all that shit. So they kept pressing him for more of an explanation. Firewood just doesn't seem like it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I'm sure you've been you've probably been yelled at by for more than that. You know what I mean? So in May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell.

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time with my dad well your dad owns a small business so that's what you do every i know plenty of people who own restaurants their kids work worked there when they were nine. That's just what it is. You pitch in. He says, quote, I have to do a lot of stuff for my mom and my sister's never home. Honor student, tennis, choir, job, boyfriend. You eating Twinkies, sitting on your fat ass, playing your computer game. That's what you're doing. So maybe that's why you have to help more because your sister's got other shit going on that's important in her life so past seventh grade past seven she passed seventh grade they continue to ask about why

doesn't your sister have pants on right um he insisted she was fully clothed when i put her there i'm telling you even though the bodies have not been disturbed at all in the snow. So his friends, one of them, Jesse Henderson, he said that William seemed a different person the week after this happened, the week after the 23rd. They said that he told everybody that his family went away to visit a sick relative. This guy spent most of the week with William, this Jesse Henderson. And, yeah, he they uh last summer when they hung out he ate and slept a lot but ate and slept little now he was just was kind of sitting there

he said that william seemed to daydream a lot with his mouth hanging open that's because that kid's yeah he's he's horrified still with his own fucking actions. He's disgusting at this point. So other friends said he seemed like his usual self. They said his cousin ran into him. A 15-year-old cousin ran into him. And, you know, everybody was fine. Nothing big there. He gave his other cousin a ride somewhere. And, you know, that was it.

He did say they went into the house to look for stakes and the family video recorder is what her cousin, what his cousin said. They said that William told them that he wanted to pawn the camera. So Lynn said, quote, Lynn Lembeck said, somehow we got talking about Robert Yates, the Spokane serial killer. Jesus. William Lembeck told them, quote quote willie said i'm a serial killer too oh and they all laughed because they didn't think that um so that was about the end of that conversation so the reaction here to everybody obviously the town freaks the fuck there's a hundred people here this gets around real fast faye said quote had the jehovah's witnesses not

been at the core of their beliefs i believe he could have pulled himself through any problems he was having. He would have had outlets, but he was cornered. To do something like that, you have to think you have no way out. But even with the problems, there was no real red flags that made you say, watch this kid. He could be trouble. That's what Faye said, his aunt. The people were just like, what the fuck? Here's one of the neighbors said, you think, how could he kill four people?

Four people! With exclamation point. She was horrified, obviously. And they even said, too, like a lot of the residents that they were talking to said they didn't even know a lot about them. They barely knew they existed. They kind of kept to themselves. They're not around when we're out.

When we're out. Yeah, they're not doing anything. You know, the big Christmas party, they're never there. Another neighbor here, Early H humbert is his name early he said it's a shock to me everybody kind of keeps to themselves up here pretty much they were just quiet people i don't think they visited around the neighborhood much yeah um but everybody's talking about it but nobody here can think of who they are one of the waitresses said in one of the towns. Everybody says something about them, but I'm like, who? Who?

One woman, Gladys Goldies, she didn't know the family, but she attended the memorial for them and said, you have to feel sorry for that poor boy in jail. A lot of people don't, but I bet he's suffering. That's a bizarre thing to do, right? Really weird thing to go see. Go to a memorial for a dead child and his entire family and go, I bet that poor boy feels bad, too. Why would you go? That's so weird. Yeah, it's boring. There's nothing to do there. It's Addy.

Head on down to the memorial for the murdered family. That murdered family of strangers. I guess I'll just go see them. Wow. Clint said, the feelings haven't really kicked in yet. It doesn't seem like reality to me. That's the brother, Clint. He says that he's been comforted by relatives as he's been trying to, you know, prepare funerals for three people.

This whole fit to try to bury his entire family. He literally lost his whole family. One's going to go to jail forever and the others are gone yep he said his dad he and his dad were like best friends um worked with him a lot uh clint said he's only been to the house a few times since the shootings and he said he's not going back though because on one visit he felt his father sent him a message to stay away um yeah he said as he was about to cross the threshold, he felt something push him hard on the chest. He said his father had always met him at the door, and now he felt a powerful force shoving him back from it. He said he staggered backwards down the stairs, clutching the handrail, and hasn't tried to enter the house since.

Oh, that's creepy. That's creepy. He felt a force, and he doesn't like it. He does say whatever happened in that house was not part of the family that I remember. And he says that he's going to have the place demolished and the ruins of it hauled away. Done. Holy shit. He's having it razed and the shit taken away.

I don't want any part of it anymore. I want the foundation pulled. I'm planting a fucking vegetable garden over the over the site and it's done so that's wild yeah he's he's it's his whole family wiped out he wants no part of it anymore now a former teacher of his said that quote he did some juveniles type stuff but didn't exhibit any of the type of anger that would lead to something like this this just shocked me whatever was going on in his head or in the family i I sure didn't see any of that in school. By the way, we still don't know why he did it.

And I do. And I'll tell you in a minute because it's a fucking it's so weird. So the sheriff here, Craig Thayer, said it's a tragic domestic violence situation. It's not an easy situation for any community to deal with. Now, what really happened? OK, speculation. And I hate it uh jolene told her boyfriend dylan yeah that they had found or she had found on the family video camera on december 21st on the family's new video camera that they got um he had she had found a tape the tape was william had secretly

videotaped her getting undressed and showering yep oh no okay then it gets worse that's the first part of it first there's all family shit i'll describe the tape first there's all family shit going on and the way william does it is he makes her think that he turned it off and all his shit then on the tape is her getting undressed taking a shower then the next scene is william watching the tape on tv and jerking off to oh my god he recorded himself jerking off to the recording he made of his sister taking a shower oh dear christ i don't even know where to start how do you do that's so meta that that's what i said it's exactly what i thought it's so fucking meta dude that's so weird and if you look close in the tv there's another kid jerking off and another one another one another one another girl in the shower it just goes on forever man it's

smaller and smaller does he watch that then after that do you know what i mean and then and is he gonna watch himself watching himself watching jerking off and his sister taking a shower he's gonna go as deep as he can maybe you're seeing how deep of a chain he could go but that is fucking wrong. Now, you have a two-year-old older than your sister. Did you ever look at her as a sexual object that you wanted to see naked, right? No. That's so gross.

I don't have any sisters, but to me, I'm like, why would you want to see your sister naked? And then I was like, okay, Jimmy's got a sister, same age difference. When he was 16, I'm sure Jimmy's dick was as hard as anybody. Would you resort to this? No, right? That is horrifying. Especially, he has the internet. He can get porn.

What are you doing? You're going to watch your sister take a shower? That's not. And then jerk off to it? We had a small house, dude. If I ever saw my sister naked, I would never want to jerk off ever again. No. And it's not even like he was doing it and then he was going to blackmail her with it,

like if you don't give me money or I'll tell you. He likes it. He just did it to whack to. Oh, my God. This is just his fucking, his tugging material. And she found it. And she found it on there. Holy fuck.

And said, holy shit. So then she showed her parents the video which had to be uncomfortable for here's me all nude guys and here's me in the shower and then here's william whacking his fucking cock to me over here so holy shit um yeah it's absolutely disgusting she told her boyfriend about it she erased the video after showing it to her parents though and um that's what the boyfriend said and he didn't know if there was a duplicate or anything like that but that was the whole thing that happened here he's got some more um yeah no shit yeah i think he's this isn't the only well it's brand new the video camera otherwise he'd have a library because in the in two days the first thing he decided to find was

i'm gonna videotape my sister naked and whack to it that's the first thing he did with the camera the very first thing how can i how can i come to this camera in some way god 16 year old that's why it's disgusting that's why we should never have video that is terrible so um yeah so she i guess had returned this happened on the 21st she was so upset that she even slept at her friend's house. Because the next day she went to work and was so pissed off she slept at her boyfriend's house even. She didn't even want to be in the house. And then the 23rd she went to work and then came home. And that was the first time William had seen her because that happened the one night.

The parents confronted him on the 22nd. a big blow up over it obviously you're jerking off to your sister and secretly videotaping her as a weird conversation you don't think you're ever gonna have to have with your kid he literally had no time to like contemplate how his first thought when he grabbed that camera was where's joleneene? Where's Jolene in her tits? Because I am going to fucking whack her. This is wild. It's disgusting. So, yeah, that's what he said.

That's what was going on there. And then she finally, they yelled at him on the 22nd, but she was gone. Jolene comes home on the 23rd. Everybody's finally home for the first time since this has all been discovered and he kills everybody oh my then yeah okay then um yeah he did all this shit like we said the officers um uh uh arrived but the videotape i'll describe it here because they end up finding another tape here uh here where and this is a this isn't the one where jolene is naked but it's one where he tried to get her naked uh here we go it's william and his family laughing and joking and talking they're dicking around in front of

the camera you know that was before every phone had a video camera so it was still a big deal when someone broke out a video camera right you'd ham it up and people would do things now you're like stop fucking recording because anybody can record at any time yeah you're fucking eight cameras on the outside of your house back then if someone took out a camcorder you were like oh hey camcorder hey what are we doing let's do this hey look at my ass check that out hey grab a beer cheers yay it's i was watching sopranos the other day and when they go in to put a bug in his basement i'm like oh he would know in two seconds that these fuckers are at his house. Get about it.

Cameras everywhere. Yeah. He's zooming in on people's faces. Simply Safe would be sending police force over there. They'd catch the FBI planning bugs. Never happen ever, ever again. If only Tony Soprano had Simply we do they are a sponsor but they're it is really good so there you go anyway i just use that in place of camera so anyway it wouldn't

have mattered if he had a broken uh water eater or not no no so every they look totally normal they're all you know talking and joking farting around, doing their deal. Yeah, we're hanging out. Jolene walks through the living room. She's got a scooter at one point, and she's on a scooter, and she kind of scoots through in front of the camera. She's talking to Wesley, who's playing with toy cars. Everybody's real happy. You know what I mean?

Just looking around, and people are passing the camera around around to like taking turns with it and shit like that. This was from December 17th. Also, they have another one where William and his friends are in there and then more footage comes into the of the family. The final scene in the videotape is shot from the corner of Jolene's bedroom. This is how he did it she william and wesley wander in and out of the room and nobody seems to pay attention to the camera like it's hidden or something jolene seems tired and william's like well why don't you go to bed you should just go to bed go lay down so then when she and wesley are both out of the room william then makes like a quick move over

to the camera and he bumps something that jostles the camera and apparently turns it off but uh the camera also remains in the same position and records there's another than a second later it comes back like he turned it back on again and it just records an empty room for several minutes after that and then it's turned off so he was trying to get her that was the first attempt at it and then he didn't get it till the next day but that so the literal first fucking thing he did was that and he eventually got it to work but he had a whole plan to get his sister changing wherever just getting naked and getting in the shower so um yeah that that was that's a seized tape as well

and that was uh apparently the same angle that it was supposedly at the other one um oh by the way he finally finally admits that after he killed his entire family shot his mother multiple times and everybody and dumped them on the side of the fucking road. Before he buried his sister, he raped her corpse. Oh, my. After he took her to the. In the snow. Oh, my God. He raped her corpse and then he put a towel over her face and buried her in the snow.

Long since dead. Yeah. Wow. Been dead a minute. that is so heavy yeah that is we don't get that a lot no we don't get oh man we don't get familial necrophilia too often on the show that's not a uh that's deep yeah inter-sibling necrophilia does not happen often on the show. That's deeper than northern Idaho snow. That's what that is. That is weird. You thought it was weird that he was jerking off and filming himself jerking off and all that old meta thing.

To a very alive sister in the shower. This is next fucking level. So when he finally admits that to the cops, imagine being those in the room walking out going dude did you uh did you hear that i'll never eat again i'm gonna die i'm gonna die of hunger oh my god um so he is charged with four counts of first degree murder yep obviously he's going to be tried as an adult they say he is not eligible for the death penalty though because he is under 18 years of age so can't get that yet he is going to plead insanity well he's gonna go it's pretty fucking insane his but his defense though here's the thing if you're gonna plead insanity to this i feel like you have to make the point of the weird sexual shit your center centerpiece of it. Right. You got to frame that. Instead, he denies it all in court and says that it's all about firewood.

That's his defense. Wow. I'm so crazy. My dad asked me about firewood, and I snapped. That's what he's trying to say happened here. So, yeah, the county prosecutor said that the insanity plea wouldn't be surprising, and it doesn't matter to him. He said, quote, it doesn't matter to him he said quote it doesn't

change things at all it's just a little more preparation we'll be ready to go uh he says he's also he's facing life without parole at this point yeah so they said he's going to be tried in adult court and because of his age he doesn't get the death penalty but there's that he's being held in a regional juvenile holding facility at medical lake again so it's probably the same one he was at before that he didn't want to go back to so bad um family members see see the insanity to plea plea as just a uh a legal strategy clint the poor clint jesus christ i can't imagine that poor kid whole family wiped out then you find out why and you're like what the fuck man yeah um he said quote it's not going to fly he wasn't insane and uh the act is insane not the person yeah it's a crazy act it's an insane a to b it really is a to b to wow i need to dude porn you have porn if you need to whack

it to images on of, not your sister. For fuck's sake, that's not the one you should want to see naked. Uh-uh. You should go, ew, gross, if you do. He's so mad at his mom. Yeah, because she was the one. His father is the laid back one and wasn't so angry. His mom was the one he was mad at because she was the one coming down on him about the videotape. Killed dad because dad's a threat.

That's why we said the whole the conspiracy with Chris Benoit thing is bullshit. Because there's all this, they came in and they killed his family and they held him for a day and a half and they murdered him. No. When people come in and wipe out a family, they kill whoever's the most physically threatening first. That's what they do. You get that out of the way.

That's why he shot his dad first and then his mom is helpless. So then he can have his way with his mom. We'll stop this. Right. Exactly. That's what they do. You get that out of the way. That's why he shot his dad first and then his mom is helpless. So then he could have his way with his mom. Exactly. That's what it was. Wesley's not going to jump in. You know what I mean? So the attorney said they want to suppress all the evidence deputies gathered while they searched his house with his permission. That's what he wants before he was arrested and before they got the warrant that he wants all that suppressed. But the corpses are somewhere else and he knew where they were. So it doesn't matter what you can suppress all that all you want. So anyway, they also say he voluntarily waived his rights. That's the thing that happens. They said that they should have read him his rights sooner in view of the suspicions they developed while investigating the disappearance, which is probably true. They probably could have done it. As soon as you see one spot of blood, you Mirandize this guy.

Otherwise, anything you ask him, you are asking him after you have suspicion, and you'd have it Mirandized. You've got blood and a shitload of tissue. That's not right. Yeah, that's not. You can't do that. But then he's coming in telling you all this type of shit. So, wow. The trial, like I said, pled insanity. Basically,'s he's gonna be found guilty of some shit right you know he's not

he's not saying i didn't do anything it's just of what he found be found guilty of and how long will he serve sure because apparently if um if you get if they get what the defense is going for he could be out of prison in 16 years no he could get out in 16 years that's what the defense is going for, he could be out of prison in 16 years. No! He could get out in 16 years. No! That's what the defense is going for. Oh, God, no! That's second-degree murder.

That's what they're going for here. They're saying, hey, come on, he didn't plan it. Oh, my God. He's charged with aggravated first-degree murder, which is way worse. That's death penalty if you're over 18. He's going to get life without if the if the prosecution gets his their way here um the prosecution said that he murdered everybody quote because he was tired of authority and because to this defendant life was cheap well life was cheap and he was making a deposit. So hyperbole.

That's just. Yeah, that's the bullshit opening statements. The shrinks that testify here, psychological shit here. A psychiatrist is what's his name? Sinclair. He said that that he'll show they'll show that he has diminished capacity when he shot his family. That's what they're saying. They'll show that he has diminished capacity when he shot his family. That's what they're saying.

Diminished capacity, and it would make him legally incapable of premeditation necessary for first-degree murder. So the defense attorney tells the jury, the question you need to keep in mind is which William Lembeck was there. Which one? Now he's schizophrenic all of a sudden so there are also two eastern state hospital doctors waiting to testify that william lembeck is sane and was sane when he killed his parents as well so we're just going to have conflicting shrinks and um he does later confess to just fucking jesus doing what he did afterwards there um but um anyway jury is selected everything like that um they have to bring them from another county because there's too much publicity wow and in here obviously this is the craziest thing that's ever happened poured a jury oh man they said that he loaded the 22 and

contemplated the murder as well as father was in the shower when he emerged from the shower shot him in the face twice again in the back and in the head when he fell um said he fired several more shots at his mother piercing her hands when she put him up in front of her face in horror jolene was shot in the back was clubbed in the head he also hit her in the head by the way and then was shot twice in the back of the head before he turned his rifle on his younger brother and shot him. They said when the rifle wouldn't fire anymore, Diana Lembeck was still feebly crawling around the kitchen floor. So he loaded the 308 rifle and shot her in the head with that. Oh, God.

End it. He presented dozens of photographs, the prosecution does, testimony about all the gore they found in the house and chunks of flesh and the whole thing. Everything they the defense says they concede. Listen, jury, you're going to see some shocking and alarming stuff. He said understatement understated, but asked the jury to consider the family dynamics that may have contributed to the disassociated state uh with depression that's that's what she's saying so um it's what we call a functional family he said as what the defense attorney said she told the jury that the mother quote wasn't diana wasn't physically abusive but she had a habit of being verbally abusive.

Increasingly so as multiple sclerosis limited her mobility over the last 12 years. She also cited Clint's decision to leave home and move in with his girlfriend when he was 15. See, she's unbearable. Well, maybe William could have went and left then. He didn't have to kill everybody. That's the point. Clint Lembeck on the stand acknowledged that his mother sometimes yelled at him, but he blamed

his own bad attitude for that. You're not going to get a kid whose whole family's been wiped out to talk shit about his dead MS-ridden mother. You're just not. I don't care if she used to beat him with a hammer. You're not going to get him to say that now. And I wouldn't either.

Who the fuck would? Jesus. He said that he continued to work at his father's logging business until he was 18 and all of his problems with his mother disappeared as he matured and changed his attitude.

You know. Like most kids. Like adulthood. Yeah. So the jurors heard a tape recording of him calmly confessing. They played the whole tape to killing everyone in the household. The defense, though, just kept trying to push it back to Diana.

At one point, they had one of William's aunts on. They had Patty St. Clair on there. Oh, I'm sorry. That is the attorney. Patty St. Clair had one of the sisters on there, Diana's sisters, and she said that Diana could have a temper. But Pam Ham said she did not consider her sister's temper violent at all. So Ham also said that Diana once struck Ham's seven-year-old son in the arm when she believed the boy deliberately kicked her. Okay.

The kid kicked her. she hit him in the arm uh it's her aunt it's not a stranger at the grocery store she's got ms how about you don't fucking kick your aunt ms your aunt ms your aunt miss and she didn't hit him in the face no she hit him in the arm like hey don't do that't do that. She did what parents do. Yeah, that seems normal if you kick. Hey, don't kick. That's not nice. So Diana also. That old trope. We don't hit.

And then you whack the shit out of them. Yeah, stop that, pal. No, that's not good. That's what we all got. So Diana told Ham that she wished her children hadn't been born at one point. Pam Ham testified. ham that she wished her children hadn't been born at one point pam ham testified which i don't think there's a parent on earth as much as you love your kids who for one second has never gone jesus christ i wish none of these kids were fucking born every parent has done that if they don't

they're lying or they're not the type of person i ever want to be friends with because a normal person when there's some that load on you all the time at some point you go why the fuck did i do this at some point you do then you calm down and you go okay i'm fine and you love your kids but i had a friend level-headed tell me they wish they had an abortion kid was standing right next to her i'm telling you it's it's like kids are hard. That's how hard kids are. Yeah, because life ain't easy with these fucking monsters. So she she also said that her sister argued a lot with her husband, whom she described as a hard worker. Robert Hamm said she hadn't seen William since he was in his early teens but she had

heard that he was teased by his siblings and others about his weight. She didn't say where she heard that but they assume it's from Diana. William wasn't overweight when he was young but he did have feelings that were easily hurt. She said even then. You can't call your brother fat. Who do you get to call fat?

Yeah you pick on your brother for everything. That's just how it works, especially if you're close in age. Yeah. So they also had follow-up questions and everything like that. Ham said her sister had a lot of frustration from being confined to a wheelchair or a walker and all that sort of shit. So they play the tape. Like I said, for the jury in it. They hear the words, I shot my mom. That's not good.

More shrink here action. Psychiatrist says that he thought beforehand and before this psychiatrist said he doesn't believe William thought beforehand before engaging in the act. He thought the problem suffered there stemmed from untreated attention deficit disorder and a disorder and a major depressive episode. Okay. Um, so, but under cross examination, they asked him,

does he have the mental ability to premeditate a murder? And, um, he said that he did. He knew, he knew right from wrong. He had no mental disorders. He was just, you was just having a problem.

The state doctor said that he had adjustment disorder with depressed mood when they interviewed him. And that's not a legal defense. He's just kind of a bummed out fat kid. That's not really a... He doesn't like that he has tits. That's not a fat... You can't kill your whole family for that. He doesn't like that he has tits and his dad makes him do things.

Yeah, exactly. And the defense brings up his, quote, ample evidence of dysfunction. A teacher said that he had good native intelligence but trouble concentrating and all that sort of thing. He said that children with untreated attention deficit disorder just give up hope and stop trying then when they become teenagers they often develop eating disorders poor self-esteem poor decision making that gets them in trouble with authorities yes but doesn't get them to rape your dead sister that's what it doesn't get you to do that's all fine and dandy if you're going to be a prick and you're going to be a teenager but if you're right this is beyond teenager post-icide. Yes.

He said this disorder is tough for children. And he said, quote, school is the job from hell from which you can't be fired. Jesus Christ. I mean, you can fire school. You just age out of it. Keep working and you get out. It'll happen. You don't have to go anymore.

They said that he was, quote, William was desperately living from day to day, incapable of making good plans to run away, much less to commit murder. That's what they said here. They said he showed self-destructive or at least self-defeating behavior when he made only incompetent or inadequate efforts to cover up a burglary that he did the last summer. So you could tell. Because he's a bad criminal, he must just be crazy. Or he's just not a good criminal. Doesn't focus. He said that he didn't attempt to clean up the evidence of the shootings until days afterwards,

and then only because his friends wanted to come over to the house. So he wanted to have his friends over. He had to do that. He told detectives he used a mop bleach and paint to try to clean it all up and as soon as he got back from dumping the bodies down the hill there he had his friends over and all that um they said uh this is the the psychiatrist said that when talking to william he completely disintegrated into tears i believe the experience he experienced profound remorse and was paralyzed by what

happened that night but um yeah i don't know he didn't testify and didn't show much emotion in court um and so uh yeah there's that verdict comes in oh boy here we go it's an hour and a half of deliberation that's quick including lunch they ate lunch in that time too they broke for lunch in the middle of that so it's about an hour of deliberation broken up into two half hours um they find him guilty of aggravated first degree murder and being super gross that's an official designation yeah um wow that's crazy an hour and a half is really short when you throw a lunch break in there quick yeah uh they said it was aggravated because there's more than one person killed as part of a common scheme obviously um they rejected another possible

aggravating factor that some or all of the murders were committed to cover up a crime they think it was more of just an outburst on the whole house rather than he just wanted to kill one person and killed everyone else to cover it okay even though that's what he said to the cops because they're trying to lock you into the highest charge possible which would be that so but they didn't buy that sentencing and i don't either i don't think that's what it was i think he wanted to kill everybody yeah everybody knows what i did i got to get rid of everybody except for wesley he's totally innocent probably doesn't even know what happened right one shot for him poor guy i think he felt bad so what what did he think he was you know what i mean where are you gonna go from here

yeah who are you gonna what are you gonna do now my parents never came home from california i guess it's my house now and i'm just gonna go on with my life and know everyone's cool with that. They went to the Haight-Ashbury district 20 years too late, and they just love it. It's crazy. They just couldn't get enough of the beach. It's over. They found a cabin in Big Sur, and they're going to live there. So the sentencing goes on a half hour after the verdict is read, by the way.

Right now. Oh, boy. They start the sentencing. One of his aunts addressed the Pam Ham, addressed the court, and he broke down in tears. She said that Diana was her only sister, and there's no possible way to explain the grief and tragedy this has caused me. Then she turned to William, and she said that he failed to appreciate that he had a loving mom and a hardworking dad. She called for him to visit the site of his family house, which, by the way, was demolished before the trial. As soon as he could, Clint had it knocked the fuck down.

As well as his family's gravestone and a separate memorial. She also told him, please waive your right to appeals and not put us through this again. Go away and be put somewhere we don't want to fucking we'll just pretend this never happened we wipe the house out we're just gonna burn the pictures i don't even know so uh ham who's crying pam ham said uh uh this was um the the fifth most difficult thing she'd ever written the first four was when she had to say goodbye to the four people who died. Wow.

And she said, quote, now I have to say goodbye to you. At that point, William started sobbing openly in court here. And the defense attorney said, I see him emotional every time I visit him in jail. I'm sure he wants his relatives to know that he's sorry, blah, blah, blah. The judge, on the other hand, doesn't like william at all william declines to speak which is bad billy you better go boy you better really willy yeah willy needed to say something really fucking throw himself on his sword here um he said that um he the judge called it quote the worst crime in the history of stevens county bar none wow that's a bad place to start the judge also asked the question that was

never really asked why he said why did you do this he said quote you're sane um he said drugs you weren't using anything like drugs nothing like that i don't understand it he said there's no your parents weren't that demanding of you i don't understand it he said what about this video that may not have existed but probably did that's what this that's a great thing that he said that he also said could it be the shame of having concocted that kind of video? Bingo. That be it.

Bingo. And he's just sitting there. And he said, the judge finally said, you executed your family, you slaughtered them and probably raped your sister. And you did it in some kind of homicidal rage. Deep inside, son, you're a monster and you deserve the punishment that a monster should receive. That's to go to the penitentiary for the rest of your life. And I sentence you to it. You, sir, may fuck off life without parole.

Oh, boy. Yeah. That's going to get appealed, right? Out parole. Well, we'll talk about it in a second here. all well we'll talk about it in a second here clint by the way they the judge ordered william to use any prison wages he receives to repay clint fifteen thousand dollars of the twenty thousand dollar bill for or to repay for the defense attorneys as well uh because he was also supposed to have to make restitution to clint for burying everybody but clint declined restitution

for burial costs he says it's i just don't want anything to do with this i don't want money from him in jail i just want it it's on me it's a wash my hands yeah he's doing like a dealer in vegas like you know he's one of those i'm not on me uh the judge said quote it will give him something to work for for the next 20 or 30 years um yeah until he's 18 he's going to be locked up in the uh juvenile deal uh there there's about 120 other juvenile offenders who were convicted as adults holy shit in this lock in the center you've got to be one of the kids that's got to be locked up with that fucking guy with this fucking guy um i guess under the youthful offender program he'll receive basic

education maybe he'll receive basic education. Maybe he'll get to the eighth grade until they're 18. Then they're going to be putting adult gen pop and that's all over with. There is an appeal based on collection of evidence is the big deal on the appeal. There's a couple of things. But the main thing is he keeps saying that they should have Mirandized him and anything they saw before that you know and after that should be thrown out but the problem is he invited them in right what they didn't leave and like they opened a drawer and saw something they started seeing flesh and blood now as soon as you saw the first spot of blood you should have mirandized it that's a fact yeah

that's a fact but it's not like they mirandized him a month later his rights weren't violated they didn't fucking beat him with a phone book yeah they said holy shit there's flesh everywhere he put his hands in head in his hands and started sobbing i mean that's what the fuck man i didn't think you know yeah they read him his rights they signed it he He consented to a search. They searched the rest of it, which that tells me that if they would have read him his rights two minutes earlier, he still would have said search it all because he said it then. So it doesn't matter. And then either way, they would have went and got a warrant and they would have searched

it. It's not like it wouldn't have been found. It's not fruit of the poisonous tree or any of that shit. It's not any of that. It's not. So that appeal is denied. Good good so he is stuck in there um they did sell here looks like for 25 dollars serial killers inc.net they sell like letters from serial killers and shit like that there is a uh a letter from him here that um it just looks like a letter he wrote to somebody.

When is this from? 2011. The thing is from. Hey, the envelope blocks out part of it. Wow. Thanks for writing back. What does it say? Something getting mail.

I look forward to getting mail even though I something very much. So it sounds like you kind of like something do you have a tv in your room that sounds amazing is he 12 what is this um uh quite a bit of tv a lot of movies i don't know what that means i used to watch it yeah i watch a lot. I used to watch it. Yeah. I watch a lot. Yeah. I used to watch TV. I made home movies. I made some movies. Keep up your something. So you said you keep up your something. Only you.

I didn't have any real. None of this isn't really anything. Do you keep to yourself? Just something with somebody. Either way, $25. Then I found he had a write a prisoner profile here for a minute. Yes. He's apparently with somebody right now, by the way.

Stop it. He has had his profile put out by a woman who is the same woman, I believe, who is in a picture like hugging him in his jail uniform. Oh, my God. So that is what's going on he is currently uh or i don't know if this is still current but this was as of last year or two years ago uh number eight two nine nine one oh is his number at uh the washington state penitentiary on 13th avenue in walla walla washington here is his, boy. Yeah, prisoner dating game style. This is the type of thing you might find. I came to prison when I was 16 years old

and got juvenile life. I'm putting myself on this pen pal group slash site in the hopes of finding some friends and pen pals. Well, yeah, it's a pen pal site. What the fuck? I try to keep busy in here. I crochet. And then in parentheses, a to keep busy in here. I crochet. And then in parentheses, a very manly hobby, by the way.

Yeah. So I'm going to show he's got a sense of humor. Play guitar, just like dad. Yeah. And train dogs for the Blue Mountain Humane Society's prison dog training program, which he's worked at dog place before. Yeah, let's keep an eye on him with those dogs. That's the thing is, but that's what these guys do is then they take pictures with the dogs and they put that in their profile picture.

And then women go, oh, that's so sweet. How could he be a murderer if he's nice to dogs? And then they're fucking, well, he can't, even though he murdered his whole family, he is nice to dogs. So he can't be all that bad. He must have changed. I'm going to send him $10,000 and hope that when he gets out, we'll have a relationship. Let's call that love after lockup show. I'd like cameras to follow me.

And then you have disaster. This is not good. I can fix it. This is not good. So he's done that. I've trained a lot of dogs over the years. And yes, I've crocheted a sweater for one of the small dogs. She loved it.

He's trying to come off so harmless and gentle wholesome harmless and i didn't rape my dead sister right i didn't have fucking incestuous necrophilia with my sister absolutely not that's crazy um wow um so she he said it would be uh she loved it i hope you could take the time to write. It would be nice to have a pen pal. Qualities I look for in a friend, not obsessed with their phone or Facebook or whatever people do all day on the phone. Why would that bother you? Because he's not used to that.

He never developed that because when he went in, he probably didn't even have a phone. What are they all doing holding their phones? I don't get it. Why would that be bothersome to him? You can't even see it, motherfucker. Right? But to go in in 2000 and then right now you'd be like, whoa, the whole world has changed a lot. He says, just a nice, free-spirited person.

Okay? Well, they'd have to be free-spirited to answer you. Who likes to do fun things and enjoy life. You can write a letter at the address above or you can email me. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So that's it. There's his hobbies and all that.

He has a girlfriend at this time or maybe just at that time. Either way, that, everybody shit is addie washington and one of the more fucked up stories i would say that i i don't even know what to say about that man i was like oh that's so gross it's such a was it embarrassment was he Was he so embarrassed by it? That's what it is. I guarantee you, it's the shame. So shame. He had to erase anybody that knew about it, which in turn multiplied the people that know about it. Yeah. It's true.

Everybody now, we're telling hundreds of thousands of people. Do you think, oh my God, do you think that he, okay, and I'm not blaming Diana, obviously. Do you think that Diana threw any religious'm not this i'm not blaming diana obviously um do you think that diana threw any religious shit at him about it like you're gonna go to hell for jerking it to your sister or something like that is that if she was still if she was still balls deep in it then yeah she probably mentioned it but either way everybody in the house knowing about it no obviously not but everybody in the house knowing about it. No, obviously not. But everybody in the house knowing about it is the problem. Do you think that that contributed to Diana talking to her sister the day of the murder, saying that, oh, well, what's the difference if we just celebrate Christmas?

Jesus Christ. Do you think that had something to do with it? Maybe this will reset and fix everything. I don't know like we're being too weird maybe that they were so insulated that he thinks that his sister's a value you know like a a fucking viable a viable piece of ass like you know what i'm saying that's possible we need to get out and make some friends and see some other people because he is thinking his sister is someone to jerk off to this secular life is really causing a problem in my son's fantasies. He thinks that we are a sexual partner.

Non-secular. Non-secular. Yeah, that's what it is. Fuck. We're too far away from everybody. I don't know if that's what it is or what, but he had friends. I don't get it, man. I just don't understand it.

He didn't have as many friends as maybe he might have. Sure, yeah. I don't get it. I don't understand it. i just don't understand it he didn't have as many friends as maybe might have but yeah i don't get it i don't understand it's obviously out of our yeah but when you take your family and you're you isolate them into this small town and then isolate it further with with a religion that cuts you know i mean you've certainly and that's not not blaming family but the point is it it certainly will look like that to a kid who doesn't want that. Yeah. Well, and too, they all went to school in Colville, which is up the highway there. It's not right outside.

And he's been being homeschooled. He hasn't been to a school in two years or a year and a half or something. He's got to feel out of the loop. Yeah. That's tough. Maybe that's – I don't know what it it is i'm not trying to make an excuse i'm trying to figure out what would make a kid just go from being a happy-go-lucky fat fuck to be like i'm gonna jerk into my sister get caught and then kill everybody that's just a really extreme jump and i'm just

like what a fucking asshole you are so logically all of that makes sense the imposed isolation and then lashing out at all of it it's maybe that's got to be it there doesn't seem to be any other fucking reason no otherwise i don't even know what the fuck it could possibly be i don't think he thought he was getting insurance money or any of that bullshit none of that i don't know what it is but either way that's it that's addy washington he's never getting out of prison and um his whole family's dead so that is a sad fucking story yes um that said if you enjoyed it hey get on whatever app you're listening on give us five stars it helps drive us up the charts we don't know why no they're not our charts but it does help drive us up those charts also you can

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That might be autocorrect. I can't tell. One of them. Yeah. Kenny Jr., happy birthday. Ashley Mayfield. Patricia Cesari. Melissa Putz. Putz, I think.

Corey Wood. Brad Brady. Brady Humphrey. Kenneth Mayo. Kim Smith. Aaron Bell. Kathleen with no last name, John Shavers, J.C. Craddle, Cradockel, I don't know what that is. Cradockel? Cradockel, Jerry Woodward, Greta McAvoy, Jennifer O'Kerry-Morero, Krista Jolly, Laura Rose Erickson, Mark Carvalho. Already stumbling. Lauren Kell, Jason Brainerd-Barnes, Kaylee Hopkins, Katie Pissett, Derek Phillips, Tristan

Shepard, Kelly Kelby, Kelby Overton, Caitlin with no last name, Pauline Walton, Jennifer White-Zahner, Carrie Adele, Holly Holacek, CeCe Bowen, Taryn Grover, Muggs the English Bulldog, Jones with no last name, Mandolin Miles, Nikki Bottoms, Mary Jo Jablonski-Wenmouth, Jamie Scar, Matt Salomon, I think. Watton? Watton Owens, Dana with no last name, Laka would know last name, Nene would know last name, Sarah Collins Roberts, Sarah Harding Roberts, Cheyenne Antel, Bria Parker, Tim Weitz, I believe, Gabriela Reynolds, Jacob Walsworth, Alex and Matt Shada, Jesse, oh boy, Crutchfield, I believe, Jacqueline Gagliardi, Christopher Mason, Saeed Bukhara, Christine would know last name, She Koffer, Autumn Hill, Riley Collum, Dallas with no last name, Alicia Bowling, James Scheel, Karen Palent, Austin Byers, Maxine Nyhouse, Laura Velasquez, Lauren McDermott, Carrie Wilson, Estrella Lopez, Maja McFowell, Joe with no last name, Justin Rice, that's Rice, Paul Inslee, Kelly Keller, Rebecca Harrelson, Brittany Lee, Zach Smith, Skip with no last name, Levi Shannon, Morgan Blackburn, Rachel Ruiz, Natalie Rodriguez, Tom Cross, Cheryl Smith, Nicole Heindel, Megan with no last name, Aaron with no last name, Alicia Canizzo, Amber T, probably, DJ Dixon, Kira Anderson, Dave Herbner,

Chandler with a shitload of R's, McKinley Mitchell, Lizzie Cohen, Derek Wagner, Riley. Nope, that's Ryan. Ryan Parlitch, Sparty B, B. Vare, Lacey Perkins, Aaron Manley, Miranda Bellis, D.B. Cooper, probably not. Sean Brandt. We don't know where he went, Jimmy. It's possible. Butler, Anna Baraclough, Bethany Murray, Andrew Kimball, Jennifer Zensis, Nathan Bird, Christy Phillips, Jill Pfister, you betcha, Gordon D., Cameron Duncan, Mo Hoff, Paige Lowry, Susie Bautista, Doug with no last name, JT Adams, Wendy Wisham, Jesse McCulley, Kathy Godfrey, Shelley Morgan, Rick Chadwell, Francisco Ariza-Cuino, Mackenzie Moaning, Olivia Hatfield, Luanda Dunphy, Irene Cameron, Dominic Manischalchi, oh boy, Nate B., Kylie Murdoch, Heathcliff Heritage, Winter Russell, Tom Time, Kristen with no last name, Ben Boyer, Bauer, God damn it, Natalie O'Brien Ribbon, that's probably not right, Cat, Imador, Imadori, Wes Preston, oh boy, Gripnotic Goblin, Matt Coleman, Peter Skinner, Adam Hill, Karen Notgrim McAdams, Cher Love Strong, Nick Hemzing, Alec with no last name, Alex Francis Mullins, Corey P., Dennis Kineard, Matt A., David Rowan, V. Scattergood, Brenda Schultz, Megan Walker,

Nicholas Henschel, Cameron Fer-oh boy, Farkehorsen. For a whole boy? That's a weird name. Farkehorsen. Oh, wow. Ashley Donson, Shana Tiffany Cruz. Amelie. Amelie Delfos.

Jim with no last name. Kayla Streeter. Haley Rapalogal. Steve House. Sian Smith. Devin Poloska. Shelby Russell. Trish Frank.

Richard Clark. Caitlin with no last name. Nope, that's Brooke. Brooke Maples. Ted Gerber. Katie Houck. Cindy with no last name. Haley Moore. Amber Germain, I think. name brend nope that's brooke brooke maples maples uh ted gerber katie hauck uh cindy with no last name hayley moore amber germaine i think uh ronda seerstad christine marilu marilu lopez shannon lopez shannon jones dan oh dallin dallin palmer kim akizusada, oh boy, Elizabeth Arrowood, Caitlin Heiderscheit, Nicole Volblio,

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