Small Town Murder - #308 - The Killing Of A Bad Man - Hooksett, New Hampshire

Episode Date: August 18, 2022

This week, in Hooksett, New Hampshire, a man falls dead, in front of other people, and they think it must be a heart attack, until they find the pool of blood, under him, and a hole in his chest. Was it a hunter's stray bullet, from the nearby woods, or something much more sinister? He turns out to have quite the past, since his mother was burned to death, in the family pig sty. The reality sets in that he wasn't killed by accident, and there are many suspects. Was it an enemy of his brother & a simple case of mistaken identity? Or maybe one of the husbands of the many married women he was fooling around with, or a family member of one of the teenage girls he was dating? Or was it something even darker, that we know nothing about???Along the way, we find out that Hot Dog on a Stick employees don't have to look like actual hot dog on sticks, that the past can come back to haunt you, even if you thought it was over, and that you shouldn't offer to murder anybody, without being asked first!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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idaho idaho coming from idaho on the last full-length episode there cordelaine we're going all the way to new hampshire the country, staying up north in Hookset, New Hampshire, which is south-central New Hampshire. It's right outside Manchester, 15 minutes to Manchester. Also, Concord is right there. It's right in that area. About 50 minutes to Plymouth, New Hampshire, which was our last episode, episode 254, the Serial Killer Happy Meal episode.

So that was a wild one one go back and listen to that one again that was crazy this is in merrimack county area code 603 and a little bit on the history real quick because there's not too much here i mean there's a lot of history but nothing that's you know funny really something that stands out uh people seem to love to know the origin of names of these towns so i try to you know try to find that first known as it seems some fishing shit am i hook set yeah you would think so with two t's though so but right away hook set boom there you go fish on the line it's first known as chester woods i guess probably a guy named chester there's a lot of woods then rose connor

it's probably a guy named ro bought it uh then it was called Hookset for nearly 50 years before it finally became like an official town named Hookset. People just called it that. I guess there's a hook-shaped island around there that the early fishermen used to call Hookline Falls, and that's where it came from. Got it. That's the whole deal here so um today the uh they still have it well 1974 the lottery funded hook set canal became a part of transportation facilities so they had all sorts of they started getting more ways to go through here boats and shit to go through here so they could make some money taking stuff out i hear canal as somebody from the southwest and i'd see a very tiny stream you see a dry a dry concrete concrete v that you could

jump your bike out of it'll get going you could jump a bike out of when you're there it is yeah that's exactly what those are for so uh the reviews of this town and this is where we shine and we love the reviews uh here's we've got them kind of spanning everything here one to five five stars murphy's tap room is a popular locally owned bar uh operated bar in my area the bar has the best selection of beers on tap than any other establishment with 120 taps always featuring locally brewed options from surrounding towns this is why i review the town you could get drunk here i love the the super tight microscopic focus that people have in their interviews just the little thing that affected them and they're like i need to write a review that's why they're funny

it's not about what they're reviewing it's that the review the review tells more about the reviewer than what they're reviewing you know what i'm saying that's what's fun and that's who's here that's it in addition to the beer selection murphy's also offers a diverse menu okay why don't you just this is for yelp this isn't for niche.com um this is fucking crazy the front tap room is never empty but it's easy to converse with the other guests or enjoy a sports game on one of the tvs the back room often hosts live local bands a lot it's all they're talking about along with variety of sports events a variety of events such as a

comedy night i'm sure that's a wonderful event um some poor guy with a goddamn guitar speaker out there and a microphone hooked up to it, trivia night, and private functions. The best spot in the whole place, however, is the deck in the warmer months. The deck seats 300 people and almost always features a local musician. Overall, the service and selection is unbeatable. That's their whole review of this town. What about the schools, man? Nope.

Roads, schools, crime, housing. Don't give a shit. Who gives a shit? There's comedy night. It doesn't matter. There's always a local musician out on the deck, so we're fine. As long as there's a local out on the deck, we're good. Holy shit.

Four stars. Living in Hook's set is great. My office building is directly across the street from my apartment. Terrific. It really has to do with the town. You just rented properly. great my office building is directly across the street from my apartment terrific i what does that really has to do with the town you just rented properly very close proximity to work yeah i'm pretty close to both major cities in my area town is pretty quiet and if i was considering starting a family i may think of hook set to be the place okay all right four stars just needs to stop snowing five feet is too much

you know you move to new hampshire it snows there i don't know what to tell you who are you telling this to is there a someone who could fix this you can't complain to a manager about weather yeah turn down the snower yeah that doesn't work um here's three stars i don't know what the fuck they're talking about but quote don't use it but it's there i don't know what that means that's the entire review there's not a all lowercase letters no punctuation don't use it but it's there i feel like it's a code of some kind like if you rearrange the letters it can spell something else that's like a sending a code to somebody they met on bumble they're like just go to niche.com and you'll get your message we'll go back and forth no no the reviews of hook set new hampshire that's what

we're doing no one will see it wow um go. Two stars. There are two great farm stands, but basically ugly car lots and businesses that most towns wouldn't allow to fill main drags. There is one great bar slash restaurant, the Tap House. I don't know if that's Murphy's. It's Murphy's Tap Room. I don't know what they're saying. I don't know if that's the same place or what. There's two places. And a destination restaurant, the bavarian but

otherwise a wasteland particularly at night a wasteland wow good sports field and library well i mean that's not a total wasteland i guess if there's a you can't say it's like mad max out here but that's a beautiful little league field you know what i mean there was no little if they're playing soccer yeah it's all the Mad Max's kids. All of the parents are on the side with like mohawks and crazy half jackets and shit and one eyeball. Spare tires on their shoulder. Yeah, just wearing them as a necklace. Let's see.

Convenient box stores, but no interesting local retailers. Good location, poor government. New community center, but no high school. Great. Terrific. So it's not all there is what you're saying. People in this town, 14,703. So not too many. Is that right?

Yeah, not a lot, not a little. Some. It's about normal, male, female. Median age is 41, which is three, four years older than normal. The people here, more married people than normal. As you might imagine, it's a suburban-type feel to this place. It's not real urban around here. Race of this town, 93.1% white, which is New Hampshire.

If you've been to New Hampshire, you're like, wow, there's a lot of white people here. 0.8% black, 0.8% Asian, and 3.2% Hispanic. So, yeah, it's pretty white there. Religion, 31% of the people here are religious. I'll give you one guess what's leading the way there. It is. Absolutely Catholic. Catholics are, as you know, the Baptists of the North.

And this is right in the heart of it right there. 0.3% Jewish. So not quite. Not quite. We didn't get to Havana Gila territory but it's all right in the last election in this county 53.8 voted democratic 44.1 republican 2.1 independent the uh economy around here the uh unemployment rate is extremely low it's three percent which is just i mean there's a lot of places to work you can even commute to boston if you really wanted to so there's a lot of places to work and the median household income here is eighty two thousand seven hundred twenty five

dollars a year doing great yeah it's almost thirty thousand more than the national average that's not not too shabby and the cost of living a 100 is average. Here, it's 103.5. Not that expensive. Yeah, very affordable. Housing's a little pricey, but not for the area, honestly. Median home costs $365,600, which is high, but not- That's great. Not that way. Yeah, there's a fucking island.

That's what I mean. It could be way more here. And to prove that, we have for you the Hookset, New Hampshire real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for $1,237, which is... That's a deal. It's right around the national average, honestly. It's right around that. Found a few options here. First of all, there's a trailer.

This is your economy option. Two bedroom, two bath, 876 square feet. This is your single wide standard trailer here. It looks like there's a lot of ant traps on the counter. That's not good. Ant traps, that's a lot of ant traps on the counter no that's not good traps that's a bad sign probably if there's to have yeah there's some weather stripping or caulking ruins yeah that's that's not one ant trap this is they're lined up like this counter's covered in ants all the time that's

a problem that's not good maybe sweep that off before you take the real estate pictures but yeah who am i to give people advice there's like it's really weird there might be a possible wood burning stove here but don't quote us on it it's one of those it's not great it's just very weird uh but it's livable i suppose it's not not falling apart or anything 110 000 so that's steep it's still steep yeah three bath, 2,450 square feet. It's nice. It's boring. It's standard. It's cookie cutter.

It looks like track housing. $399,900. Fuck. And then I have a four bedroom, three bath, 5,500 square foot. Holy shit. A beautiful old brick farmhouse. It's fucking gorgeous. The outside's really gorgeous.

It looks like a place where people take wedding pictures. Two-story or single-story? Two-story. It's a nice place. A lot of taxidermy in there. A lot of things like that. It's a pretty house. $1,350,000 for that.

Holy shit. So not bad for what you're getting. It's not terrible, but obviously still very pricey. Things to do here. Oh, man. The New Hampshire Poutine Festival. They do it? They have it there.

Well, you're very close to Quebec. It's like a two-hour drive to French Canada. So, you know. They're going to be at the grounds of Anheuser-Busch in Merrimack on October 15th, 2022. You can get there still. This didn't already happen. We loved our Halloween event last year so much. It's officially a permanent thing.

Awesome. Permanent poutine is happening. You got it, everybody. And people, by the way, have last time poutine came up we talked about it and then in our in our listener groups there were there was warfare on how to say this word and i'm talking some canadian was like james didn't say it right and then said like other canadians were like yes he did you're fucking stupid and they were like no he didn't and then they went back and forth and i was out of it after the first comment and it was all on them now and they were arguing about how to say poutine i was

like wow i don't i don't have a horse in this race. You lit a fire and walked away. I have no idea. All I said was said something. I just said a word. That's not a fire. Jesus, that wasn't even a spark. I didn't realize there was multiple ways to pronounce that.

That's how I've heard it said by Canadian people who told me I should eat it. So that's why I say it. I don't know. If they were wrong, I'm sorry. i don't know what to tell you so um what's better than celebrating halloween with poutine yeah yeah that's what you want in your bag when you walk up trick-or-treat and someone gets a big spoonful of cheese curds and gravy and slaps it on top of your snickers bars and your fucking your milky ways thanks a lot a ladle of that on your Twizzler. There you go. And they do it like in a circle like they're putting it around on a plate.

Extra gravy, Cal. Thank you. Thank you very much here. That's wonderful. We're planning some fun activities and strongly encourage attendees to dress in their Halloween best. Oh, yeah. Oh, fall up there is a thing, man. It's gorgeous.

It's beautiful up there. Boy, oh, boy. What is it? Two hours, three hours from here? Yeah. From where we are here in New York? It's beautiful. Yeah, I know here because here it's beautiful.

So there are some shorts. It's stunning. Similar. So, yeah, the Northeast is known for that. It's truly amazing. Like in Dutchess County, people come from Europe to look at leaves. Imagine how much money and time you have to be like, let us go across an ocean. Why shall we go, my love?

For leaves. That's why. We shall go for leaves. We will look at the leaves, and then we will drive and look at more leaves. That's what we shall do. People from Boston, because they're in the city where there's all this concrete and buildings and shit, they'll leave that and just drive.

They won't go east or west. I mean, I guess you can't go east, but go west of that. Well, that's a Family Guy episode. The old one was leafers, and everybody would, as soon as one leaf changed, all the local people would run away, and it would be like people from New York and Boston would be coming. Hey, look at these leaves. Look at it.

It's beautiful. It's orange. That's what goes on. So they do. Yeah. The fucking hills are on fire. It's amazing. It's gorgeous.

So Merrimack is located less than an hour from Boston and is 15 minutes from Manchester, Boston Regional Airport. Boston Regional Airport. Premier and general admission ticket holders have the opportunity to sample poutine, a healthy portion, in parentheses, from our participating restaurants. That's a terrible word to describe that shit. It really is. It doesn't sound appetizing. There's nothing healthy about that. Oh, God, no.

No. It's cheese curds and gravy, man. It is what it is. They're all going to be competing for the best poutine of the fest, and only one will get to raise a special Halloween edition of the championship belt. I saw they have a belt for this, actually. They're going to have a band slash DJ, great beer, games, children's activities, and some phenomenal poutine. So get on in there. children's activities and some phenomenal poutine so get on in there and um yeah much of the event will be covered in case it rains so it won't water down your poutine that's nice yeah that's nice and

no refunds or exchanges of tickets though once you buy your you break the poutine you bought the poutine so uh crime rate in this town what we're interested in of course property crime is right at average it's just totally average. And I think half of that comes from all the bad element coming in for the poutine festival, probably. Leaf heifers. That's what it's leaf peeping poutine. They just, you know, just peeping leaves with a cup of poutine,

just eating it with a spoon, just looking around. Look at those leaves and they want to steal something. It's obvious, you know. Hey, I'm going to go steal. I'm going to steal this over here. Look, I can't help it. I don't know why. The poutine's making me crazy. Poutine went to steal something. It's obvious. You know, hey, I'm going to go steal. I'm going to steal this over here. Look, I can't help it. I don't know why. The poutine's making me crazy.

Poutine went to my brain. It went to my head. What do you want from me? Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is actually less than, it's under half of the national average. Wow. Yeah, very safe area.

You know, it's hard to kill someone with a handful of poutine obviously you always occupy oh i'm gonna spill this get out of here what are you doing only person you murder up there is a person that gets in between you and your view of the leaves that's it i dropped three french fries i looked down i missed a leaf what's wrong with you people fuck out of the way get out of my way putine it's for the kids so uh that said let's talk about a murder shall we all right it's actually more than that so uh there's some good background that we got here from a book called our little secret by kevin flynn and rebecca lavoie and uh very good detail in this book if you're interested in getting a little bit more background on this,

we want to read it after we have to go back. Let's start in 1985. Okay. We'll bounce around a bit, but let's start kind of in the main part of the story. Oh, New Hampshire in 85. This is 85.

We're in like, you know, peak middle of season three stranger things here. You know what I mean? Good stuff right here. Steve scooping ice cream at the mall oh yeah good things are happening chips ahoy outfit what yeah what is it called scoops ahoy scoops ahoy scoops ahoy yeah with a sailor outfit looking like an asshole scoops ahoy i like the torment and torture. The little shorts. That these businesses put children through. Oh, man.

I saw the girl at the hot dog. Dress like an asshole and sell this strawberry. The hot dog on a stick place in the Phoenix at the Paradise Valley Mall. It would be some 16-year-old girl with a giant phallic thing on her fucking forehead sticking out. And she's like, welcome to hot dog on a stick. I know I look ridiculous. Can I help you? Like bright yellow outfit holy shit why'd they make you look like a human hot dog that's fucked up i'm gonna make you a dickhead this is ridiculous jesus christ with your phallic

head why did corporations do that why do they do that to people i don't know i don't know why i get making everybody look the same to know who to answer. Yeah, that makes sense. That's what it is, though. Perfect. Now they look like morons. Open the door. Send in the public.

Why would you do that? It makes them so much more just evil fucking monsters. You're already not paying them enough and taking all the fucking money. Now you've got to put them through this shit. You put a dick on a child's head. The worst, though, the dick on the child's head. You've got to do a lot of bad jobs when you're a teenager. There's a manager there who's like 33 years old who has kids,

and he's wearing a dick on his head too and he he's like jessica jessica just your dick it's crooked we keep it buttoned up here in hot dog on a stick that's what happens oh god j go. I wish corporate America would stop it with torturing children. I get we have to all look the same if we work here. That makes sense. So that people know that we're the ones that work here. You're part of the crew. It makes sense. Not asshole.

We don't have to be asshole. It's not for me. I'm uncomfortable that you have a giant dick on your head. That makes me uncomfortable while I eat. So honestly, you can take that right off and I'm fine with it. Just a hat, a regular hat that says hot dog on a stick would have done just fine maybe a picture of a hot dog with mustard on it terrific why this hat why a buckingham palace penis hat i don't understand what we're doing so um anyway uh november 5th 1985 kids have dicks on their heads they're scooping ice cream and

sailor costumes it's a it's going great the world is really messed up here and nobody's questioning it we're just doing it because they're paying us 325 and we're earning it that's what's going on babe so uh this is a saturday morning on november 9th 1985 and let's introduce you to a man here, Danny Paquette. I'm going to say Paquette, Paquette. It could be Paquette, P-A-Q-U-E-T-T. It's probably Paquette, Paquette. It's got to be Paquette, right? I guess so, Paquette. I'm going to say Paquette because I've heard it said different ways. Danny is his name anyway. He's 36 years old here. He was born in 1949. He's from Manchester is where he was born. And he's been raised in this area. And his family, as a matter of fact, is like they were like farmers in this area.

So he's he's one of six children. He's the youngest of six. So always the youngest of a lot of kids is always an odd bird. Not an odd man. They're all they can be really cool. They can be it can go a lot of ways for the youngest because yeah sometimes the parents are done by the time you come along they're like i don't fucking care what you do and when there's a lot that's what it tends to be but when there's only like three or four most of the time that kid is doted on for so fucking long they're the

bay and it depends on how far they came after everybody else if like yeah when he's born their their youngest kid was nine at that point. That's the baby at that. And it'll always be the baby. So, uh, yeah, he's born there.

And, uh, simple youngest of six kids. He had an older brother named, uh, named, uh, Victor.

And he's got an older brother named, uh, Arthur. And he's got three older sisters as well named Joanne, Marion, and Nadine. And his, his dad is arthur

senior and his mother's name is reena and we'll talk about her in detail in a little while here and they all run a dairy farm on brown avenue there so so yeah that's that's a family dairy farm that's their job is the dairy farm so it's a small dairy if they don't have a lot of money but they're not poor yeah just fine they're doing okay just salt of the earth farm people you know i'm getting by um so this particular saturday danny he's about 36 years old he has his own little kind of homestead now not a homestead he works and she's not like uh he's not trading chicken eggs for stuff but for legal help or anything i'm talking but he's got a chicken eggs for legal help and sex yeah these are real good eggs i'm telling you boy no they're good eggs you don't understand they're

real organic it's worth it or so organic they're orgasmic wink wink let's do it come on you know what i mean you know what i'm talking about baby so anyway he he's got his own place he's got a house it's got like a bunch of little outbuildings he's got a garage workshop area he's got all sorts of stuff he's a man oh god he's a carpenter and a master welding is his main he's got a welding business but he's also a skilled carpenter and um he knows how to do all that shit he fixes cars on the side and does things like that just for shit and shits and giggles but apparently welding he's phenomenal at welding that's his really that's his thing he makes like

he makes things out of ornamental shit yeah he does that too out of scrap metal awesome his property kind of looks like a junkyard but it's he's using chaos well he's using this stuff so it's new stuff's coming in and he's it, and it's going out at the same time. So if you just drove by, it looks like a junkyard. But if you knew what he's doing, he's using all this shit. He just needs a lot of metal around all the time. So that's kind of how he's going. He's got a bunch of land, house, barn, garage, all that kind of shit.

So he's doing his deal here. He's a good worker. Likes to work around the place it's saturday morning he's up and doing shit and working and you know it's he's grew up like that waking up early milking the cows dairy farm there's a lot of work to do yeah there's a lot of poop to deal with yeah yeah there's a lot going in a lot coming out it's a lot of shit a lot of things to A lot of things to feed, a lot of things to shit, a lot of things to get eggs and milk out of things. There's a lot going on there. So anyway, Danny's doing his deal, and like I said, he does auto repair on the side. He's got a girlfriend at this point who they've been closer, and now they were together.

They lived together. They didn't live together. They lived together. They didn't live together. They broke up. They're back together. Kind of a shaky relationship here. Her name is Ruth. Ruth, I'm going to say, Z-E-L-E-S-T-E. Wow.

Zaleste, I'm going to say. Mama Zaleste here with her frozen pizza. Anyway, she just came to New Hampshire here. She lived in western Pennsylvania, and she had moved with her ex-husband here as well and three of her teenage sons earlier. And they met and they got together. Now, Danny around town, the women who don't know him real well, they find him attractive. Danny's kind of an independent guy. He's got kind of like a bad boy streak to him that the ladies kind of like.

But he's also, you know, he's got his own house. He runs his own business. So, I mean, you look at him and you go, all right, he's mid-30s. Women who are looking to settle down in that age group are like, that's not a bad candidate right there. He's got one. Yeah. He's a handsome guy. He's got all these things that I'm looking for. Not too shabby here. But so Rita, she likes him a lot.

Is that her name? Yes. Rina? No, Rina's his mom. I'm talking about Celeste here. Ruth. Ruth Celeste. I'm sorry.

There it is. Ruth. Why did I say Rita? It's a mix between his mother and nobody who exists in this story. His mother's name is Rina. His girlfriend's name is Ruth. Why did I say Rita? It's a mix between his mother and nobody who exists in the story. His mother's name is Rena. His girlfriend's name is Ruth. So she likes him a lot and she's into him. She has teenage boys, though, that don't get along with Danny at all. Really? Not at all. No, they they've had big falling outs and open fighting and arguing and yelling at each other in the front lawn there was a physical confrontation that they didn't like um he says they're all lazy basically danny um he likes the youngest one the best he said the youngest one's actually a nice kid he does what he's told he he tries ruined yet yeah no like if you would tell if you're working around the house around the yard you can tell him go do that go do that and he'll go do it whereas he said the other one the oldest kid is into like music and um he's not into like fixing

cars and welding and shit so they're not he doesn't like him yeah and he might be he just uh doesn't want to do it with you yeah no he's not into that shit he's no it's not his thing he's a guy he likes he's a music he likes to like play music and stuff oh he's an actual yeah it's not his thing. He's a guy. He likes to play music and stuff. Oh, he's an actual rock star guy. He's not trying to do all that. The middle kid really is interested in cars and shit, and Danny likes that, but he calls the kid a slob and said he leaves his tools out and shit, so he doesn't like that about him. But he's a teenager.

I mean, you know, you got to kind of get a guy. His organizational skills are not on poor yet. Yeah, I wonder what his trapper keeper looks like. It's probably a disaster. So good God, Jesus, there's lunch from six months ago in there. Welcome to the small town of Chinook where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper in this new thriller available exclusively on Wondery Plus. religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager,

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You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. So she wanted to move in, Ruth did, into his house and bring her boys with her there. But they didn't want to do that. The boys didn't want to do that, really, since they just didn't really like him. They didn't really get along. So she keeps a place of her own and she moves in with him sometimes. So they always have this place that Ruth got for herself and the boys and kind of they stay there. Danny really, though, his most of his hatred goes toward vincent who is the oldest one and um he's the one who's like the kind of considered the laziest yeah and he thinks he

then he's a real piece of shit yeah then hey vin and uh yeah vinny doesn't like him he said he has he tells him that all the time daniel yell at vinny tell him he's a lazy hippie fuck and why don't you cut your hair and all that kind of shit so we'll talk about too dick danny was in the army and he's got a just a different way of doing things here and then mark is the one that he likes that's the one he likes to fix cars up but he's messy so god forbid there's that so how old is uh how old where's the dad that she's just a single lady dad's not in the picture at all ex-husband moved with them to be close but he's around but he the kids live with him and live with her live with ruth and then they go to see their dad sometimes too so uh november 8th ruth had spent the night at his house the night before this morning that he's out there working um she spent the night at his house the sons had spent

the night back at her apartment and you know in another town um they had been fucking all night this has been been a fuck face a fuck face a fuck fest it's been a fuck face but i bet there was some fuck facing involved you might not be far off in either direction apparently it was like an all night long thing so either yeah there's got to be some kind of uh face fucking going on at some point she's got a slow drip this morning. Yeah. Oh, definitely. So she was into that, and basically Danny's known for having a very, very large sex drive.

Yeah. So she's got to deal with that. Now, this Saturday morning on November 9th, Richard Duarte, he's over here, too, at Danny's house. He comes over because he had bought a 54 Ford from Danny. Fuck yeah. Yeah, so he's got that. And he's been working on it in Danny's garage because it needs some work. And he borrows Danny's tools to work on it, too.

And Danny doesn't mind. This guy, you know, not bothering him and whatever. So this guy pulled in the driveway about 9 a.m. this morning. And when he got there, Danny and Ruth were in the garage, and they were laughing. They were having a good old time laughing. He walks in. Duarte walks in and hears Ruth say, you're awful, while laughing. And then Danny slapped her on her ass, and she laughed some more.

And then she said, I'll leave you to do your work and walked out. Oh, my God. Yeah yeah what a beautiful morning he went that's this guy walked in he's like oh this is fun over here oh he must have been laying it down she said you're awfully smart you're damn right i am and she goes that's right i'll leave you to work and i'll come get that ass afterwards that's what she's saying that's incredible sounds fun right it sounds okay so uh duarte said danny even like watched her walk away and was like scoping her out and everything and uh then danny turns to him and he says i've been waiting for that kid who helps who helps out to give me a call and he said uh all right well let's get to work and whenever he shows up he shows up and that's it he said danny was in a great mood of course he's in a great mood sounds like he's having a wonderful day sounds like a nice little

life yeah not bad at all i'm a shit not too shabby he's living living the life so there's a the kid who he's waiting for is named court burton and court is spelled like a courtroom like a court of law yeah which i've I've seen. I don't know. I've seen C-O-R-T, but C-O-U-R-T is Courtney. There's guys named Courtney. So I don't know. Of course, yeah. So anyway, Court Burton is his name.

He's 17. He had met Danny while he was working some construction. Danny was doing a welding job for a utility company there. But he did also freelance work on the side and would do shit on construction sites when they need a couple of things done. He comes on and does it. And I guess Danny took an interest in this court Burton kid and, you know,

befriended him and all that kind of shit told him he liked his work ethic. And he said, you work hard. You seem to take pride in what you do. And he liked him. This was like, you know, he saw him as like a little protege basically so um then danny would talk to burton um about jesus christ

um he talked to he'd bitch up to burton about his girlfriend's sons yeah he's like they're your age why can't they be like you you know what i mean jesus christ i'd wish i could trade the kid vincent for you that'd be terrific. He said basically, this is the way it was put in the book, and I think it's a good way to put it, that Vincent and the rest of the kids didn't live up to his standards of manliness. That's what it mainly was. These kids are soft these days. That's all it is.

You'll hear that. Danny, I'm sure, would be considered soft by his father too. That's the thing. Every generation is softer than the previous generation. Pacification, James. That's what they're saying. I don't know if it's true. It happens. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's just as the human race tries to make life easier for itself. Right. Yeah. That's what it is. It's all it is. And giving your kids more opportunity to do less hard things. You're just trying to make it easier on them. My grandmother had to hide in a hole from Nazis with the family there while they spoke German and stomped over foot.

So she said, let's go somewhere else. Yeah. And maybe it's better there. And then my mother never had to do that. So she would be considered soft by my grandmother because she's like, you're not even of the nazis killing your whole family at any moment in time in the middle of the night what's wrong with you burrowed into a hay bale jay yeah what's up with that yeah and then we're forget about it by the time it got to me it's yeah super soft so yeah that's just all perspective i mean sure you know you can anybody who you can think of like your rugged grandfather his father

called him a pussy for sure that way and you like your rugged grandfather, his father called him a pussy. For sure. Put it that way. And you know, and then his father before him called him a pussy. Yes. And so on and so forth. If you don't hope that your children have it easier than you had as a child, how great was your fucking childhood? Yeah.

Must have been fantastic. If you need your kid to struggle a little more than you struggled, then you probably did nothing hard. That's true that's nothing at all no you're like oh man i wanted to be just like me so um i guess danny as um he's he's waiting for the kid he's also waiting for some friends of his to come he tells duarte you have to meet these canadian guys they chew cigars and speak broken english it's a friggin riot chew cigars they chew cigars and i think english it's a friggin riot chew cigars they chew cigars and i think they speak probably french because it's a couple hours away so he's like it's a

friggin riot you're gonna love it when you see these guys where do you see him which is pretty funny yeah he's super new england i like it oh yeah oh it's a friggin riot it's a wicked riot you're gonna love it he said when are they coming and he said oh this morning i made a fuel tank for them so at that point duarte said he heard a truck pull up and the doors came and here comes the Canadians shaking hands with Danny. And Duarte kept his attention on his car. He didn't really worry about it. But Danny's working on a bulldozer for the Canadians. He's putting a fuel tank on a bulldozer basically is his whole deal here.

So he told him I should have it ready for you today i'm still waiting on this kid from uh work to show up to help me paint some of the tanks and then we'll slap them on and we'll be done here so um court then shows up right everything's working out slapping the asses people are showing up right in line he like whenever they're called whenever they're spoken of they just appear in this morning where's that kid oh here he is okay he's got a schedule like nobody he's so good at this that he can just yeah he knows when people are supposed to be there and he will line up everything he's doing uh in accordance to when people will be there to assist in the next thing i have to do that's that's not bad i'm not that organized the only thing i'm

the only thing i've ever been organized with in my entire life is stand-up comedy and this show that's it i've been terrible at everything else because i'm disorganized this is those are the only things that for some reason i have like a really weird ocd organization over them and everything else i could care less about and i just can't couldn't care less and i don't want to do it so i was fired from everything i've ever done yeah except for this I'm terrible at it. No one can fire us now, Jimmy. No matter how terrible we are. Can't even make me wear a dick on my head.

Nope. You can try, but I don't have to. So Court Burton walks up the driveway and Danny takes a check from the Canadians for $244. Okay. And he's looking for a caulking gun that one of the guys needs. And, yeah, they're all working around here. Danny's trying to finish working on the bulldozer, and the Canadians pull out of the driveway.

They're going to come back later. They said, we have an appointment in Manchester. We'll be back later. If you'll be done done that's pretty cool um driving down the road they see tons of like trucks and cars on the side of the road uh that are going into the woods and shit it's the first day of hunting season today oh shit so first day of hunting season on a saturday morning i mean people are just it is the woods are swollen with people. The hospitals are going to be busy later. You're not hitting anything but your neighbor.

Yeah, it's all the deer are like, oh shit, there's trucks in the woods, run. There's so much noise out there, every animal has run. All of them, yeah. So he asked the kid, can you help me weld a plate on the bulldozer? Then I'm going to have you mix some paint so you can paint the fuel tanks yeah so the kid said sure absolutely let's do it follows danny back across the garage and um there's uh he sees duarte in there working on the ford and all that kind of shit and uh he says um he asked danny do you mind heating up the heating up the star gears again do you know what that means that's a car thing i don't know what that means the star gears again. Do you know what that means? That's a car thing.

I don't know what that means. I imagine it's something with the torch. Probably something to get it to something to come out or work or something. Maybe if something is like... Stuck? Stuck, yeah. So I mean like rusted shutter together or something. Either way, Danny pauses,

helps him out for a second and then goes back over to court and leads him over to the bulldozer hands him the metal plate and he says hold it right here while i weld it in place right simple enough danny's wearing leather gloves and overalls got his murder pants on he's yeah got his welding torch he dropped on yeah drops the face guard hell yeah he tells the kid don't look um obviously dipshit on your fucking retina kid i think the kid knows that by now but he's don't don't look um obviously dip shed on your fucking retina kid i think the kid knows that by now but he's don't don't look now like he's joking around with them and the kid's like yeah

i know i've been on a construction site that's where i met you so he's doing it she's you know you know welding on their sparks going everywhere it's flames everything yeah it's cool looking so um the bulldozer by the way is out by itself it's far away from anything else there okay there's all sorts of vehicles but it's all by itself you know what i mean sitting there uh there's a bunch of cars there's also one that's abandoned by one of root's sons that really pisses him off it's a rusted car and he keeps telling them to get the shit box off my lawn here vinny you lazy fuck but there's a shitload of cars on there so it doesn't matter um so he says fine if you're gonna leave it here i'll use the parts for future shit that I need.

So I'll just take it. So that's what he's thinking to do. And anyway, he's also in there. He's welding. He's doing his deal here. The bulldozer's parked alongside an outbuilding. And through the opening in the driver's cab, you could see the woods along the far end of the land. About 300 yards away, there's woods, like a line of woods there.

So, you know, most of the leaves are off the trees. So you just basically see trees and you can kind of see deep into the woods. Nice, cool day. And so Danny switches off the welding thing there. His arc is turned off and he, you know, it's all the plates in place. And he says here this is how i want you to mix this paint he tells the kid what to do um and then he leaves the kid in the garage with duarte working on the ford and he goes out to finish the bulldozer shit that he

has to do dan so duarte's in there having trouble with the car can't figure it out what the hell's going on in there. Court is mixing the paint, doing his thing. Now, Duarte, basically, by the way, he's a little bit annoyed at this point because the kid is hanging around the garage. Now, this kid's not a bad kid. He's not pissed off that he has to hang out with this kid around the garage. But it's kind of a – Danny's always got always got like weird things going on with younger people. And he's like younger kids in the neighborhood. Like he'll fix their shit. He'll fix their toys and stuff like that, which is all nice.

You know, he'll somebody's tricycle brakes. He'll weld it back together. That's all fine and dandy and shit. But he'd also heard Danny talk about some of the young girls who lived in the neighborhood oh no um saying there was one that he'd been dating on the side you're not dating a young girl first of all we're talking pre you know adult girl yeah like 16 yeah you don't date a child that's not how that works when you're 36 it's another molesting i'm actively molesting a child is what he should say. You're grooming and molesting. That's what you're doing.

Yeah, I'm molesting a child. That's what he should say. By the way, please don't isolate that. So he said, yeah, there was all that. Now, Duarte said he thought the girl was about 15 that he was dating. Yikes. And I'm putting dating in quotes because it's obviously not dating that he's abusing so he also knew that danny had showed an interest in duarte's teenage daughter now would you hang out with anyone who showed an interest in your teenage daughter no no i'm not hanging out with her with them at all he talked to her about it but um she said there's no relationship maybe he likes me or whatever but

he was worried that he wasn't mad at that he was worried that this would ruin the friendship between him and my daughter's getting the way of my friends stop dating my friends because i like them like wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong but i guess this guy works a ton he's he doesn't have a lot of friends and danny's like one of his closest friends so he's like if i don't have this guy i got no friends what am i supposed to do he's got the garage i work on my ford and stop stop hitting on my friends god damn it jesus yeah blames his daughter so duarte's cleaning up the shop and he's gonna he's got pissed off at the breaks, so he's going to leave. He's got something to do.

He's going to come back with fresh eyes and work on them later, which is always a good idea, by the way. You've got to walk away from him. You'll break something. That's it. You'll fuck something up. So he started to walk outside to clean his hands, and all of a sudden he hears a loud crack. I was like, what the hell was that? It was very sudden and very loud, loud enough that you could hear it over the noise of the welding generator, which they're loud.

Yeah. Especially in an open area like that, you're going to hear. So it was a crack. And Duarte was a Marine in Vietnam. So he said it sounded to him like it reminded him of an M2 carbine shot. That's what it would sound like. He's heard plenty of gunshots if he did Vietnam. He said

that sort of thing or he was just saying it was a loud crack. So he went to the door and he saw Court Burton standing there and Court had ran in to look for him. And Court looked all panicked out and he says to Duarte

there's something wrong with Dan. Okay, so Duarte looks over toward the bulldozer, and he sees that Danny's welding helmet is rolling along the ground, which is abnormal. So he looks for Danny, and he didn't see him standing next to the bulldozer. Looks down, he's lying flat on the ground. So just lying on the ground. He didn't know what to do. He went over to Danny's legs and was just trying to flatten him out, and he started pumping on his chest because he saw CPR.

So he's like, I guess CPR. He didn't know what to do. So he didn't even know if he was doing any good because he doesn't know what he's doing. He just saw people push on their chest. Bang on the chest plate yeah yeah so he did the uh he put his hand up to his nose and mouth to feel breath and didn't feel any breath so he was like shit what do i do here so he's you know standing there yelling at danny danny wake up wake up jesus christ um he doesn't know what happened he doesn't know if he got electrocuted because he's thinking maybe from the welder or you have a heart attack what

the hell is going on so he's he stood up he's looking arounduted because he's thinking maybe from the welder or he had a heart attack. What the hell is going on? So he stood up. He's looking around for court. He sees court nowhere. So he's like, fuck, I'm on my own here. Gets back down. He's again pumping on his chest. He's doing like a half-assed job of CPR.

But he doesn't know what he's doing. Then he gets up and he's looking everywhere he can for help. He sees a neighbor outside across the street. So he yells. And the guy across the street was getting his mail he had a bunch of or putting his mail in the mailbox to be picked up he had a bunch of envelopes he was about to put in there and he sees somebody waving and screaming call the rescue call the rescue i think danny's been electrocuted okay so he's like holy shit so this guy calls to his wife, call the fire department. Holy fuck. So everybody's fallen. The neighbor across the street runs over and they get there.

The torch is still running even. I mean, it's a really weird thing. He had on both of his leather gloves as well, which is like, okay, that should be. You can't get electrocuted that way. Yeah. So they're like, what's going on? So he sprawled flat on his back, just legs out. Looks like he got, looks like Mike Tyson just gave him a left hook and laid his ass out he looks like he's

just out cold um the guy across the street was afraid to touch him because he was wondering if he was electrified right so he didn't want to touch him and his friends telling him fucking i was just touching him i didn't get electrocuted it's fine he followed the extension cord and you know on basically ripped the cables out of the generator to get it to turn it off just didn't care just get it the fuck off so that way they could touch him so they got there this guy starts doing mouth-to-mouth on him like he knows how to do cpr the guy across the street so he's doing cpr all that kind of shit it's at that point point where Duarte is pressing down on his chest while the other guy's breathing in his mouth.

And as he's pressing on his chest, he feels something wet. And he looks at the palm of his hands, Duarte does, and he says he's bleeding. And they hear bubbling in his mouth. He's got blood in his mouth too. And they're like, holy shit, what the fuck is he's bleeding? So they're like, what happened? so they don't know what to do so duarte jumps up runs into the garage to try to find something to stop the bleeding because he's i guess there's a

lot of blood coming out of his chest so he grabs some plaster of paris and brings it outside he's gonna fucking he's gonna he's gonna paper mache his chest he's gonna spackle him up i guess i don't know i've never heard of this good as new this is some this is some country fucking uh remedy right here i have never heard of just spackle him up and it'll be fine that's were we out of duct tape this is crazy totally so he said put this on him and the guy across the street's like the fuck am i supposed to do a plaster of paris and he's like just slap it on his chest i don't know just keep doing it they didn't know what to do so then remember court the teenager he finally pops back up again duarte says where the fuck

have you been where are you and he said rescues on the way he went to look for help he went to a neighbor's house so he just went to a different neighbor and at that point they could hear sirens coming and all sorts of shit like that the cop who comes is a rookie cop who's on his day off oh no so he's basically the guy from clerks who's like i'm not even supposed to be here today and he's gonna deal with all this old dante old dante so he the and the call that he got was an electrocution or cardiac arrest. So he didn't know. You know, he's like, I don't fucking know what happened. So he gets there.

The fire rescue gets there and they find the guys hunched over Danny and doing chest compressions and mouth to mouth. There's fucking plaster of Paris all over his chest. What happened? They've been doing a model of the solar system. What are you doing? Are you trying to make a like a rib cast for him like what's up we're doing a diorama it's there's that seinfeld episode where elaine's going out with the guy who's like 35 years older than her and he has a stroke and they're like i don't know they think maybe he had he's a diabetic and went into a diabetic coma so they're like get a cookie in there move his mouth around so when the paramedics show up there's like what's in his mouth and they're like a cookie

and they're like you're you're not supposed to do that and i was just we gave him a cookie we were working his jaw for him they did they were like make him go up and down he's like i'll put it in the blender and like you can't liquefy a cookie they have this big argument while a man is dying on their couch of a a heart attack. Of a stroke. Stroke. And then afterwards, she ends up dumping him because he had a stroke. And she goes, you know, I like to go out. I like to walk and do things.

He's in a wheelchair drooling while she feeds him. It's very cruel and funny and great. It's really funny. So anyway, now that we've plugged Seinfeld, we'll get on with this. Not that you haven't had any chance to see it in the last 30 years but so um they're they're really puzzled by the pan by the by the plaster of paris though they're like what the fuck they what were you guys doing what are you doing they move danny yeah and they uncover just a puddle of blood under him a reservoir of blood under him that's soaked into the earth at this point. So it's not good.

So next comes the police chief, John Oliver, little British guy. What's going on here? Yeah, that's John Oliver is his name. Police chief John Oliver comes into the picture. Ranting and raving about some sewer treatment plant named after him. Absolutely. Actually enjoying it was more like loves that shit she loves that shit so he was uh talking with the detectives and uh trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and they take their tick danny to the hospital here he's not doing well um they said the witnesses heard

one crack which could have been a gunshot the one guy said he knows gunshots and he heard it. So someone said one shot. It could have been a hunter. Hunting season started today. Could have been a stray that just, you know, found its way. So the chief says, it tells one of the guys, you're coming with me to the hospital. Let's hear what the doctor has to say and we'll figure out what's going on here. So state police show up. Fish and game is there in case he's actually a halibut you never know

in case this is a hunting issue hold on he could be a moose now until i see proof of documentation that he's not a moose we're hanging out i'm sorry because it's possible is he perhaps a doe is it is he a doe you don't know do you so they said that they're going to collect all the statements and they said we'll have to go up and down the road here and some of the back roads and get every license plate on all the cars that are pulled over to go in the woods so he can talk to these people and hopefully find and see whose gun did this you know what i mean yeah so they're like oh man it man, it seems like a real pain in the ass. They're telling everybody to take pictures of the scene to try to figure it out.

And they're looking around the bulldozer. They can't find the bullet anywhere. So they search the interior of the ambulance thinking maybe it fell out of him on the way there. But, no, it looks like a through and through because he was bleeding out the back so they're they can't find the bullet anywhere they're searching all over the property for this bullet and they cannot find it and that's the only way they could possibly match this to anything is that so um they said you know who knows that so they're like well who could have done this there? They didn't know if it was on purpose, an accident. Then they get one cop shows up to the hospital and he said a friend of the victims came to the scene before he was transported.

Guy's name is Bobby Doob. He said that the victim had some problems with his girlfriend's sons. So they're like, well, that's something to look into anyway. That's when the other cop goes. to look into anyway that's when the other cop goes actually yeah i responded to a call a couple months ago in august about an intoxicated woman that was at danny's house and he called to have her removed so uh when the cop arrived he found danny outside with a bloody nose and nobody else there oh we got in the face yeah and danny had told him i just got into a fist fight with this guy because he thinks i'm using his mother she's inside drunk and i want her out of my house so that was that was ruth in there

ruth had moved into his house in june of 1985 so and then by august he has a bloody nose and she's drunk and the cops are there so that says a lot how do you how do you get in a fight with your mom's boyfriend when she's financing the place you're staying at and she's staying with a guy who's very capable of taking care of her? Shouldn't you just be thrilled? Well, he's mean to them, though, and they think that he's just using – they don't like him. I mean, I get it. You're a teenage boy, some fucking scumbag. You're going to be extra picky about anybody who's going out with your mom at that point so there was a another time when uh or the whole this whole thing started

with danny i guess mark was rummaging around the the workshop the middle child there and he said where's your brother meaning the younger one that he likes that danny actually likes and yeah and he said well he's home i didn't take him and uh so danny told mark to get out and uh mark didn't he kept doing what he was doing so then they argued and call each other names and went back and forth until danny finally got him off got him to leave okay so two weeks later vincent called mark and the brothers and asked him to go to danny's house to pick up their little brother hal so uh ruth was there but she was drunk so they had to go pick up the little brother so mark pulled into the driveway

and honked for hal hoping that hal would just come out and get in but instead danny was there and danny said hey asshole that's what he said to mark he starts out to talk into a teenager that's not even his hey asshole hey asshole before you leave put the goddamn lug nuts on your mother's car and he waved a fist at him and mark thought he was drunk too figured they were both in there drinking so mark told him and this is a eloquent response uh kiss my ass was the response back so it's a real intellectual back and forth at this point. It's a battle of wits right now. Diplomatic conversation.

It's a battle of wits. Hey, asshole, kiss my ass. Perfect. So then here comes Ruth stumbling out, staggering, tripping over herself, drunk, says, Mark, Mark, will you go to the store and get me some more Daniel Boone? Does she mean Boone's Farm? I hope so. I think she means Boone's Farm. Or maybe there's a cheaper one named Daniel Boone.

I'm not sure. But it's booze. And he said, what? He didn't want to do this. He didn't want to have to, A, do it, but B, come back here and deal with fucking Danny again. But he says, all right, fine, I'll do it. So at this point, he says, I'll do it. But before he can pull out, Danny comes up and through the open driver's window punches Mark in the face. Oh, what the fuck, Danny?

Drills him. Danny tries to get his door. Mark tries to get the door open, but Danny won't. Danny's pushing up against it with his foot and he won't let him won't let him get out so danny hits him like four more times in the face knocking his glasses off just working a 16 year old over who's about to go buy booze illegally for his mother for you yeah ruth yelled at both of them trying to get danny away from the car and uh when he finally backs off mark gets out of the car and um fucking attacks danny and punches him in the nose so that's how he got the bloody nose and

um you know he's bleeding all over the place uh danny grabbed mark's car keys then and threw them into the tall grass all right and said i'm gonna teach your kid a lesson to ruth so yeah this is a goddamn mess his dad's around you don't need to teach him anything no and yeah either way you're not you're not teaching him shit you're just you're at war with this kid you're making it worse danny ended up with a broken nose and uh he called the police but didn't end up filing anything against mark he just wanted them to throw drunken ruth out of his house that's it so um she left they broke up and about a month later they started dating again yeah this is a mess this is a fucking mess why would you

date a guy that did that to your kid yeah it's not gonna stop no so back to modern day he's at the hospital and um he ends up dying at the hospital dann Danny does. Oh, Danny. From his gunshot wound. Now, his brother Victor shows up. His brother Victor is a real gruff giant biker. Hell yeah. Okay. And he's saying, where's my goddamn brother? Show him to me.

He says, fucking, I've seen death before. I know what I'm doing here. I'm good. And he also says, oh, by the way, the prosecutor is there. Like, this is a small town. Everybody's at the hospital. This is, nobody knows what happened.

So he asked the prosecutor, he says, you must know Kathy McGuire. And she said, yeah, the assistant attorney general, McGuire. He's assigned to the homicide unit. And Victor points to his brother and goes, oh, well, yeah her that's her ex brother-in-law right here meaning danny yeah so yeah she's the that's my ex-wife yeah no no no

not his ex-wife danny's ex-wife sister got it yeah it's danny's ex-wife danny was married to to her sister married to the yeah the assistant attorney attorney generals of the homicide units sister. So that's how that went. Yeah. She came from an upstanding family and Danny tried to ruin it. So the autopsy says that when Danny was shot in the chest, the bullet exited out of his left shoulder above the entry wound. So presuming that he was standing up straight when he was shot, the bullet was traveling on an incline on its way out of the body, obviously. So you can tell angles.

And they do something really clever with GPS and shit later on that I can't wait to get to. The angle was steep. It was approximately a 30-degree trajectory here. So that's steep. You know what I mean? And they said the trajectory would have been like a football punt. Like that's how it came through, which is very weird. Came from the dirt.

Yeah. A straighter path through Danny's chest would have bored the bullet into the house across the street the way he was hit. And it wasn't across the street because they searched every possible angle of where the bullet could have, you know, ended up. The track of everything here. here so they said um the the way the exit wound was made it look like the slug uh had like uh maybe shot like it was shot like a circus cannon through him you know like up in the air so they said the bullet too it's a smaller bullet that could be could have come down anywhere in town that's covered with woods and wetlands it's a fucking you're not gonna find this bullet could be anywhere so and it's the first day of hunting season,

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The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. So anyway, Danny or Victor, I mean, is in the hospital with Danny and he says, show me the body. I want to fucking see him right now. So they end up doing it. They show it to him. It's a single shot in the center of his torso, right in the middle of the chest too.

I mean, dead center. Like if you had a target, like at a target range, that's where it would be. Wow. And Victor says, show me the back. So they propped him up and showed him the exit wound and that it was higher up and all that kind of shit. And that's when Victor says, who's this?

There's another woman there. And she says, I'm with the Attorney General's office. We prosecute homicides in the state. And he laughed at her and he said, the Attorney General doesn't prosecute homicides. You bury them. Oh. What's he talking about? Who is this guy?

What do you mean bury them? What's he talking about? Who is this guy? What do you mean bury them? Well, let's go back to February 3rd, 1964 and find out why Victor's so angry with the attorney general's office and saying they don't prosecute homicides. Okay. February 3rd, 1964. Normal day on the Paquette farm here.

Danny's 15 years old. The only people home are young Danny, 15 years old. It's a morning time before school and his mom, Rena. That's it. The only people there. OK, Rena is 52 years old at the time. her husband, Arthur, told police later on that she had prepared him breakfast and then he leaves home like before daybreak to go to his job. And then he has the dairy farm shit to do later, too. So he did that. And I guess Danny woke up and realized that he was already late for school and said his mother hadn't woken him up so couldn't find her looked all around the house and couldn't find her so he called the police because he didn't know what else to do yeah which it's weird in 1964 you wake up you can't find your mom around the house do you call the police i don't know i probably i mean i get ready for school and i leave yeah i'd call every relative if they said they don't know i'd go huh i guess she had shit to do and then i you know what i mean like if i was 15 i don't know what my parents do fuck do i get this afternoon i'd be like sweet now i can whack off in the house in peace mom's not here if you're 15

that's what you'd be thinking you know i can tug before i go to work yeah sweet this is gonna be it could be a nice relaxed day at school today so he called sleepy in first period yeah so his uncle shows up because he had called his uncle too and um his uncle is uh um he his uncle his uncle's an off-duty manchester police officer yeah they're looking around the property for her maybe she's somewhere on the property maybe there was a problem with one of the animals and she had to go deal with it. It's a fucking dairy farm. They go back into the woods. It's a very deep property. It starts

in the town and it goes all the way it connects to another town. That's how big the property is that goes back. It was at 4484 South Brown Avenue. It's in Manchester but it extends into Londonbury so what they find is a half mile deep in the woods is a wooden shack that's used as a pigsty okay just that

that sounds imagine how creepy that is that's a setting for a horror movie a pigsty a half mile deep in the woods holy shit that's what that's where murderers put their fucking or their mob figures put the guys that didn't pay them yeah that's just in there yeah there's and tie them to a chair to be in there and now they are pig shit so in this deep in the woods the shack is uh the fields around are snow covered but um it's all snow covered except the shack has been burned irreparably. It's burned to shit. They look inside the burned out shack and they find Rena in there. Oh, God.

She is charred completely. Even though it's snow everywhere, the only thing they can find that she's wearing is a pair of loafers. And they later on find that she was wearing a very light dress which is weird because it was november and it was snow on the ground yeah so it was very odd they said she died sometime after 6 30 a.m because of the time when she cooked breakfast and for other reasons here much of her clothing had been burned they said she did have a dress on at some point but it wasn't anything heavy enough to be a half mile deep in the woods on a snowy day. And with loafers on,

you'd wear your boots to go out there and trudge through the snow. You just do. You don't put loafers on to go trudge a half mile through the woods in the snow. You're going to put jeans on and a heavy coat. You're definitely going to put boots on because otherwise you're going to have snow in your shoes and frozen feet. That's a problem there.

She, they do a full, they do what they call a full investigation. Her family says she's been murdered out here, obviously. But after a minute here, they end up ruling it a suicide by cremation. What? They said she burned herself to death. Self-immolated in a pigsty.

Yeah. They didn't say she shot herself or she took cyanide and then did none of that shit. She just went in there and decided to set herself on fire in a pigsty after trudging through the woods in loafers in a light dress. Well, obviously, because she's trying to either give herself the flu or or kill herself. Well, the official word here. And this is fucking amazing. The official word. They come out.

This is in the newspaper here. This is I can't even believe this. Attorney General William Attorney General William Maynard announced yesterday the death of 52 year old mother of five had been ruled a suicide by cremation he said mrs paquette was known to have been despondent over the assassination of president president kennedy what and the mysterious murder of a 14 year old girl in the area okay now this is where it gets weird apparently um the husband says she wasn't despondent at all she acted no differently over the president's assassination than anyone else everybody was sad he said for fuck's sake we're fine though she wasn't gonna burn herself alive for it she's not a fucking monk what are we talking about he said

quote she was no sadder than me when kennedy was killed everybody felt bad that's his quote yeah how do you go from from a murdered woman clearly has to have been suicide because she would have been upset about a 14. How do you not go 14 year old murdered and this woman? We've got a serial killer. Well, that's what I would say. This is what gets worse. The family says that he feels that his wife basically he feels that his wife was on the path of the unsolved murder of Pamela Mason. That just happened two weeks earlier.

It happened like two and a half weeks earlier. And they said that she had submitted several leads and ideas to police in hopes of helping with the investigation. She's been like doing amateur sleuthing and shit. So they said that and the attorney general confirmed that she had given several suspicions to the authorities and they were, quote, thoroughly checked and discounted is what they said. But the Paquette family points to several oddities in the death, saying, first of all, we think it's connected to the kid. Number one, we think someone was trying to shut her up. And number two, no matter what it was, it definitely wasn't her killing herself out there. No matter what it was, it definitely wasn't her killing herself out there.

They said among the things, here are the main points, there's no fuel container from which she could have come the flammable liquid. They didn't find like a can of gas or kerosene or anything on the scene. So she just like brought fuel in her pockets? Yeah, she had it just in her hand, pulled up like a little thing of water and walked out there and then splashed it on her face and burned the whole place down or they're saying that she doused herself in gasoline and then walked through the freezing cold woods for half a mile with loafers on and then set herself on fire she really kicked her own ass yeah so that's you kind of need to it needs to be there you know what i mean i'm still not buying that and the fact that her body was not found in a position which would indicate she suffered any pain from the burning, indicating that she was probably dead before she was burned and the burning was there just to cover up whatever the fuck somebody did to her. So the fact that she would not have gone to the pig pen so lightly dressed, all she had was a light dress and loafers. So the family's like, it's a total load of bullshit.

That's it and uh the family though on the other hand especially the husband here uh he says the uh arthur says that uh the ruling is impossible of cremation by suicide cremation he says i still think she was murdered and that her death was definitely connected with the pamela mason case yeah who's pamela logical as fuck yeah who yeah pamela mason disappeared uh january 13th 1964 so this is february 5th that happened so you know not very long a distance she wasn't found till january 21st so she's only been found her body was been found for two weeks yeah Now, the official, the attorney general said that there doesn't appear to be any connection in Rena's and Pamela Mason's death. Pamela Mason, 14-year-old girl whose body was discovered on January 21st lying face down in a ditch next to a highway. Jesus.

There was snow everywhere, but underneath her there wasn't any snow meaning that she'd been there a while yeah she's been there like a week yeah yeah the whole time she'd been shot twice stabbed repeatedly had her throat cut and was was raped as well boy did they not like her i mean this is fucking horrible she was less that is disgustingly fucking horrible and left her in a ditch face down that's oh my god too much last seen january 13th when she entered an automobile in front of her house to go to a babysitting job with an unidentified man oh my god yeah um her blouse was ripped her bra and underwear were missing so missing means someone right souvenired those fucking that's disgusting her school books and exam papers were scattered in the snow all around her as well.

Somebody just was like dumped her and was like, here's all your shit, too. You know what I mean? Fucking horrible. A bakery truck driver named George Sharland. He was the one who found it because he saw a handbag in the snow as he drove along Route 93. And then he saw school school books and papers which had blown in the wind a little bit, so he followed those to the body. Yeah, and they said that the parents said a stranger picked her up at her house to go to a babysitting job. She's an honor student.

She's a freshman in high school. She had put up an ad in a local laundromat for babysitting that she's trying to babysit. She's just trying to make some money. I mean, every kid did that back then. That was you don't expect to be murdered here. So she had posted her name and telephone number on a jobs wanted bulletin board there in Manchester at the laundry and saying she was available for babysitting. Chester at the laundry and saying she was available for babysitting. And they said police said the man who took her away telephoned her and offered her, you know, to come babysit for him.

And that's what they did. Her mother told police that the man inquired about Pamela taking a babysitting job on January 13th. She gave an address. The guy gave an address on Swan Avenue near their home. And the address turns out to be non-existent jesus so yeah you could just google that now but back then you couldn't um miss her mother said that her daughter could take the job only if the man's wife accompanied him in the car to pick her up but she said that she left for work as a waitress that night before her daughter got picked up so she doesn't know if there was anybody else in the car um the telephone number he gave also to the mother was also false yeah so everything

false so yeah shot twice in the head stabbed four times throat slashed fucking horrible man absolutely horrible um the area was searched and obviously looking for anything but it was difficult because a foot of snow had come and since the time she was dumped and the time of now. So there's snow on top of everything that possibly would have been there. And they say exactly like the slaying of Sandra Velotti, who was 18 years old and vanished exactly the same way from a bus near Manchester and was found mutilated. I'm talking shot, stabbed four times, throat cut, raped exactly the same general, though, told a news conference that after exhaustive, exhaustive investigation by police and medical examiners, they have convinced the authorities that Rena has definitely taken her own life and definitely wasn't murdered. He says no one to this date has any information which would indicate foul play. If anyone has some information indicating foul play, I'd be happy to see it and have it thoroughly investigated. And if evidence warrants, I will take appropriate action, including requesting a medical referee inquest or even going before the Rockingham Grand Jury.

It's regrettable that those who have less information than I have or no information at all are prone to criticize the official conclusion. Well, it gets even better. He also said that it was a false report saying the woman's body was discovered in a relaxed position and that could lead to the conclusion that she'd been murdered before. He said it would be impossible from the pathological findings to find that is what he said, which isn't really true. He also said the specific details of Mrs. Paquette's death are as confirmed by the autopsy should be a personal concern of the Paquette family and not in the realm of general public information. Wow. Wait till you see 60 years from now, buddy.

Then the police chief said apprehending the vicious killer responsible for the poor girl's murder. Talking about Mason Mason Pamela Mason is the top priority of this task force and they talk about all of this then the medical examiner says about the whole thing here Dr. Lionel Lavoie I wonder if that's the authors related

to them I don't know Dr. Lionel Lavoie who is the Hillsborough County medical examiner said this murder was similar to him of Sandra Velade. He said, quote, I hate to admit it, but the two murders are almost identical. What are the odds in this small town that that's not the same person? Why would you hate to admit that? Just admit that and let's fucking find the person.

This is before there was even serial killers back then they they the idea of someone doing this multiple times all over was considered like kind of like a conspiracy theory almost like it wasn't considered real you know what i'm saying because it just wasn't yet she'd been sandra had been shot four times in the head, stabbed four times, had her throat slashed, and had been also, quote, sexually mutilated. Good. So, yeah, it's also, also, all of her clothing had been disarrayed, undergarments removed and missing,

bra and underwear missing from her as well, and had her stuff scattered around her the exact same way. That's the same person. So, a few weeks later, a man is arrested for the murder of pamela mason but they don't connect it to the velati case at all the charge stated that he shot her in the head with a 22 caliber rifle stabbed her in the chest and back cut her throat with a knife uh this guy

is edward h coolidge is his name now if you're we have like some lawyers that listen if you're a lawyer you probably know that name because this sets a major constitutional precedent as well here. This guy. Oh, yeah, this is a giant thing here. So that's why he's in there. And, um, the search gave rise to speculation that they believe they told everybody. Everybody started to think that she was killed in the laundromat because people were, there's rumors flying around. It's a small town.

Um, so that gets out and then he ends up getting arrested for it. Uh, he also had worked at the bakery where one of his coworkers is the ones that found the body. So it's on the way back and forth to the bakery. That's why he like dumped her on the way to work as the, you know, the, the theory here. He said that, uh, he said it's a complete shock. Everybody at the, at the bakery said it's a shock. They didn't expect that he'd be arrested. Um, the, his boss said, there isn't much I can tell you about him him he was quiet and associated with nobody in the company but i can say this much he never gave the slightest indication of being the criminal type he was a good salesman except for the part where he keeps away from everybody that guy's fucking questionable that part um the governor now

governor gets involved he says that that, oh, my God. He says, I've been critical of the attorney general on previous occasions, but in this instant presence, I think he's doing the very best he can under this great pressures and difficult circumstances. In cases like the Pamela Mason murder that cause great public concern and anxiety, it's easy to play amateur detective and to second guess the authorities who deal with the problem firsthand okay yeah okay that's not for nothing but most of the cold cases that get solved now aren't called fucking solved by cops it's just you know i mean i get that that's a technological thing but you know it happens come on it's come on uh he said that he uh that i mean they have to look that up don't get me wrong I mean, it's not like they got somebody to crack. So he says, though, anybody, anybody in the public can have their opinion. They have mine and I'll have they have theirs and I'll have mine is what the governor says.

I'm like, holy shit. So anyway, he's 27 years old. Bakerique truck driver, former Allstate High School football star. Really? Yes, he is. He is arrested. he's he's convicted but on a plea okay it's interesting very interesting what happens to him the case is appealed because he argued the state's attorney issued a defective search warrant by the attorney

general approved it himself not an independent judge or magistrate this used to happen all the time the attorney general just signed the search warrant. Now you have to get a judge to do it because you need a party that's not, you know, a party in the case. You need a separate person interest. Yeah. Yeah,

absolutely. So this ended up going all the way to the Supreme court there who it's fucking crazy. And the conviction ends up being overturned in 1971 because of this, because there was a bad search warrant. They came in his house with no anything and just ripped it apart until they and they didn't really find exactly what they were looking for. And at that point, they had no evidence at all because they had to not have anything they found in his house. So without that, they negotiated a plea bargain where he is agreed. He agreed to plead guilty to second-degree murder with a sentence of

19 to 25 years. So, yeah, under the state law that has good behavior time, he could serve a minimum sentence of 18 years time for good behavior, plus that since he's already served the time, basically 10 years from then he could be eligible for parole.

14 years in prison, 1978 he's eligible for parole and denied 1982 he is paroled granted parole uh over the objections of 21 000 petitions that come into the parole office yeah because why would you take a plea like that if they have no evidence and you and you didn't do it that's the thing well i mean if they're saying yeah who knows man um they the parole board chairman said he was the best best risk i've seen out of 600 cases okay so my problem is whoever did one did did the other whoever did velati did pamela mason they didn't even bring up the velati case after that they were like that's don't look at the shiny ball here don't worry

about that look a quarter we have no proof and we're not going to give anybody closure on that one so anyway that's what happens to him that ends up being a big constitutional thing so now you have to have a judge signed for a search warrant so that's that was a whole search and seizure thing that came from this basically this case so 1966 now back to danny yeah mom's dead yep okay mom's dead um danny falls in love with a neighbor girl named denise messi uh messier uh or mazier either one she uh lives on the same street up the street from the farm they grew up together played together all that kind of shit but now danny digs her in a different kind of way. He's in his late teens.

He's working at a hotel. He's doing his thing. And Denise, who is a year younger, also worked at the hotel as a maid. So they know empty rooms and they're teenagers that work together and know which rooms are empty. You're going to get some. You're going to get some closet is very private. Teen age fucking is what's going to happen there. So she gets knocked up pretty much immediately yeah uh it's a huge scandal her father's a police officer in manchester her

brother's like a high-ranking military officer it's not good basically it's a really big problem and um so one day her friends were told that she was wasn't staying at the house anymore and everybody said the rumor was that she was sent't staying at the house anymore and everybody said the rumor was that she was sent away to an unwed mother's farm and gave birth to a boy but when she came back she didn't have a baby so that's what they used to do they do that and then they'd adopt them so um and her parents forbid her from ever seeing danny again danny you fucking idiot so danny's got other problems anyway he gets drafted into the Army in 1968. Oh, damn it.

Damn it. He's in basic training. He's been told he's going to get sent to Vietnam. And then almost last minute, he gets a change of orders that he's going to Germany instead. Oh, okay. Great. There's nobody fighting there for the last 25 fucking years. Perfect.

That's way better. 20 years late, but better late. Perfect. That's way better. Better than never. That's way better. So during this time when he's in the army, he dates a girl from Manchester named Stephanie. And, you know, he's really into her. She's like a hippie type, though, which is weird because, yeah, he's different than anybody he ever went out with. Basically, he got her pregnant quickly, too. he ever went out with basically he uh got her pregnant quickly too danny's very very very fertile here um so he this time because he was upset about what happened last time he asked her to marry him and she says yes and they get married in 1969 and uh danny goes over to germany she gives birth in new hampshire and they give birth to a baby girl named Jennifer. And then he ends up calling her over to live in Germany with him, basically, over there. So she ends up in Germany. And this is what she ended up saying, that he kind of scared her a little bit.

He became very possessive and angry. She said, quote, you're not allowed to leave this apartment this. You're not allowed to leave this apartment without me. She could go nowhere outside of his company, like his people. Basically, she told friends that his behavior was impossibly bizarre. And then she ended up coming back to the United States and waiting for him to be done over there. So it's just too weird over here. He comes back from the army in 1971 and tries to figure out what the hell to do with himself. One night, Stephanie's getting a bath ready for herself, and Danny walks into the bathroom.

And this is according to some paperwork later on. They got into a discussion about something, and it became contentious. And I guess she said, you leave me me alone or i'll take your daughter and i'll and you'll never see her again which you shouldn't say that at all but still he fires back with you fucking bitch i'll fucking kill you which is a good reason to not let your daughter see him again so thanks for making me right asshole you know i felt bad about saying that till you said that back. Stop giving me reasons. Then he picked her up and threw her into the tub fully clothed.

Well, it was full of water. And so she sat there in the water and she said, this is enough of that. And they were divorced in 1971. So there was that 1973 Denise, the one who would, you know, the girl who he got pregnant and she went to the home and all that shit. She ends up coming back to New Hampshire at this point. She's got her own baby now, not the one she had with Danny, a different one. And she bumps into Danny, old flame, in 1973. Yeah. And again, boom, they hit it off.

Now they're adults. Fuck yeah, he's a world traveler. Guy's been to Germany, for Christ's sake. Yeah, well, no one can tell him what to do, or they aren't allowed to see each other. So Danny said that together he wanted to find the son that she put up for adoption and create the family they were meant to have. We're going to look for him. We're going to hunt him.

But he's good now. You don't need to. Unless he's still in an orphanage somewhere or something. He's got a family. hunt him down. He's good now. You don't need to. He's, you know, unless he's like, unless he's still in an orphanage somewhere or something. He's got a family. Leave him alone. You know what I mean? Oliver asking for more. Maybe let's grab him.

But, oh, yeah, exactly. More, please. Denise ended up because she had moved to Alaska and back and everything. So she went back to Alaska, came back. 1973, Victor walks in and sees Denise, who he hasn't seen in years yeah sitting there with danny and danny says we're getting married oh god victor's like all right whatever like you fucking crazy shits so um while danny was in the army denise had been working at duncan donuts in manchester because there's approximately 600' Donuts locations in the small city of Manchester, I'm sure.

With a population of like 80,000. In the Northeast, you've got to have like a 12-person to every Dunkin' Donut limit. It's like a classroom size for kids. You don't want it to be too much. You've got to really put them in there. And somehow, every time you go to Dunks, all 12 of the people that are designated to this one are there. They're all there.

Yeah. They're all there. Yeah, they're all there. And it's like a gas station in the back. We're all in line. God damn it. So they had the man she met. They had gotten together and had a child. And that child was named Melanie. That's her daughter that she brings back to New Hampshire.

So Danny gets married to Denise in 1974. They have two more children. Carolyn and Audrey. And Danny goes to court. And officially adopts Melanie as well. Because he said he doesn't want her to be the only one in the family. With a different last name. Look at this.

Sounds nice right. So 1978. Danny and Denise incorporate their business. Paquette Welding Incorporated. and Danny's listed as the president and secretary. Denise is the vice president and treasurer. Everything's going swimmingly until about 1980. That's when shit starts to go a little bit awry. In March of 1980, Denise takes the girls, and they leave, and she wants to leave him and she goes and looks for

an apartment in manchester she wants a divorce and he's not going to give her one he is going to call her every day one day he's nice please come back i love you next day he's threatening her next day he's nice again uh he'd show up at her job make a scene, cry uncontrollably. That's what you want at your job. Yeah. So on one day in June of that year, Danny, I guess, busted into Denise's home and began yelling at her that he wanted his children back. He grabbed Denise and threw her on the couch, put her hand over her mouth and nose so she couldn't breathe and was screaming at her. The kids at that point were 10, two and a half, and 10 months old, and they were all watching this.

Jesus. So that Monday morning, Denise filed for a restraining order. Denise comes from a family that they don't do this to each other at all, so she knows, too, that I'm not taking this, basically. Yeah, this is crazy, yeah. Yeah, she'll push back on that.

I'm just saying, a lot of people. If you come from you come from a shit environment, you end up subconsciously looking for shit and then you don't react to it the way. Yeah. Because you don't. Yeah. You don't recognize dysfunction because you're used to it as you don't recognize it as abnormal. Exactly. So Monday morning she files for a restraining order. She's not fucking around. So Monday morning, she files for a restraining order. She's not fucking around. So the next day, she's driving to work. And out of nowhere, a 1951 black and white Ford pickup truck pulls alongside of her. And it's Danny. And they both have their windows down. And he screams at her, you motherfucking bitch, I swear to God I'll kill you.

Okay. Mother fucking bitch, I swear to God, I'll kill you. Okay, now, she knew that Danny had a.45 and kept it with him a lot. So she hit the gas, took off, and lost him at a red light. She did like, they ended up doing like a fucking chase, basically. And she got away from him. So that's nice. So Danny has to go to court because he broke the restraining order by threatening to kill her and calling her a motherfucking bitch. So during the court appearance, he's about as good as court at court as Alex Jones is. I'm telling you, because just I mean, just trying to lose, it seems like it's just not working.

working he seems agitated here and he the judge found that he willingly violated the restraining order and ruled that he should be held in the in the jail for a while here so danny rather than acting contrite and you know trying to get the lowest sentence possible he instead leaps across the table lunging for the judge's throat oh you can't get the judge no no you can't do that that's a really good way to get a lot of time um so the the the bailiffs even his attorneys went holy shit jesus get back here they grabbed him oh god no they were like don't do that so instead now he's taken from the county jail and put in a state mental hospital oh yeah yeah and committed for a term of one year oh not yet a year in the loon you got a year in the bin now so 1985 um this all by the way started from him oh i'm sorry 1985 is late this is a different thing so 1985 denise had called the cops and sent them to where he is because he said he was going to kill himself and that's how that ended up happening so while

in the mental hospital earlier here uh while in the hospital denise tried to keep a low profile she had a good job and she just basically didn't want her ex-husband showing up yelling and crying and acting a fucking fool and everything one night she gets a phone call she's hanging out in her kitchen eating dinner and all this shit she gets a call. And the caller says that they are a caseworker from the New Hampshire hospital where Danny's being treated. Okay. He said, listen, Danny's been here for almost a year. He's not getting any better. He's still not.

He's fucking Danny. I mean, you know what he's like. So here's what I need you to do. His violent streak is kind of worse now, actually, because now he's angry. He's been in here for a long time he said quote his year is almost up and we can't keep him here any longer if i were you i'd consider moving far away from him ring ring who's this a doctor telling you to leave town a doctor telling you your life is in danger because i have a crazy man who can't wait to come murder you so there's nothing i can do about it we have to let him out right even if he's saying he's gonna he's getting a even if we

hear him getting a cab and give the cab driver your address that's not our we can't do a thing that's on you so two weeks after um danny is shot and killed they're investigating it still they still don't know whether it's an accident, a hunting accident. They're trying to find people that might be mad at him. And they're, they're not, wait till you hear, there's a lot of people that don't like Danny.

This turns into Skidmore, Missouri, where people, you find more people that want, that are happy he's dead than are upset about it. That's what's crazy. That's what happens, man. two weeks after the shooting,

the sergeant in charge of this deal, he goes to meet Melanie Paquette, his adopted daughter, at her aunt and uncle's house because her mother had taken off and left her. Not in a bad way. All right. She's just out of town. The daughter said she didn't want to go back to Alaska. She's fucking staying here. And that's it.

She wouldn't change her name or anything. She said, I don't want to change my name. That's my fucking name. I've been using it my whole life. I'm keeping it. So, yeah, Melanie's tough shit. She's good. She's good. She wouldn't change her name or anything. She said, I don't want to change my name. That's my fucking name. I've been using it my whole life. I'm keeping it. So yeah, Melanie's tough shit. She's good. She's not bad.

She asks, the one sergeant who goes to talk to her asks a female state trooper, a plainclothes officer, to come along with because they're talking to a young girl. If there's any girl talk, I don't know how to fucking talk. I'm a police sergeant guy named Tom. I don't know how to talk talk i'm a police sergeant guy named tom i don't know how to talk to this girl you might want to come melanie's 15 at that point so they talk to her she says quote i never liked danny no um he was very strict and mean he would belittle my mother and this the whole time they said she's looking staring at the ground in front of her she's not won't make eye contact with anybody she's just staring at the ground looking kind of traumatized so melanie told them that danny would just attack his mother her mother about how the house was capped um you know but he would never do anything he'd just be like this

place is a shithole you suck you know that sort of thing um i guess her mother had been held responsible for any of the, she said, housekeeping, plumbing, carpentry, electrical work. If a fuse blows, he's pissed at her for it.

It's her general handyman. Shit is her responsibility. She, she should have wired this place better, even though it's his house, which is crazy. So I guess after the divorce, she said that Danny would still pester Denise.

Melanie has seen him physically abuse her. As we described one of those incidents, it got so bad that they moved to wasilla alaska where they went uh melanie hated it there that's why she's back here then they were talking well what was your relationship with danny like and uh at that point she said can i talk to her alone that's a bad sign yeah what was your relationship like with your stepfather can I talk to her alone? That's a bad sign. Yeah. What was your relationship like with your stepfather? Can I talk to the woman by herself without you here? I don't need you here.

I'm about to talk about woman parts. So the guy said, absolutely. So Melanie said that Danny had raped her repeatedly. She said that also she knows for a fact that Danny had molested another girl from the neighborhood who used to come over and play with her as a child. What the fuck, man? She knew about that. So, yeah, and what she describes as awful. She says it started when she was nine.

Fucking disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. How do you? So the detective, the man, he comes back in. He's like, you know, all good here. So they're done talking about that. And he says, OK, well, where were you? Where were you when Danny died? What happened that morning?

And she said she went to a field hockey game with her friend Eric from school, from the soccer team. Melanie, by the way, is the only the first and only girl on the soccer team. Wow. Yeah. She don't have a girl soccer team. They just have the soccer team wow yeah she like they don't have a girl soccer team they just have a soccer team they said they didn't have enough kids to fill out a team for field to fill out field hockey and soccer teams and they played at the same time so they had to the more of the girls wanted to play field hockey so they did a field hockey team so if you were really

in a soccer and a girl your only choice was the boys team so you had to be on that and she was really good apparently and like respected too not like oh they let her on because she's a girl like nobody's they were like damn she's good cool she's really good and an honor student she's she's a good good girl melanie so um they said um do you know anybody who would want to oh they said he said she said she went to the field hockey game with her friend er that was 60 miles north of here. So she's like, I was 60 miles away at a field hockey game with my friend. So that's, you know, alibi of time, place and another person. So it's a lot of things you can check there. They asked, would you know anybody who would want to kill Danny?

And she said, I don't know, not me. I don't know. I'm 15. I don't know what the hell he does with his life. I'm sure people hate him. Yeah. She said she didn't want to say anything about the abuse, but so much had happened to her that she wanted to forget. But she had to tell.

And she said it was horrible. He'd make her get in the fucking shower with him. Oh, my God. He'd climb in her bed at night. And other times she said it was just crazy behavior, never mind the sexual abuse. Things like he would rearrange all the furniture for no reason and like weird ways he would write all over the walls for no reason he would uh hide in the dark and jump out to scare her when she was little and stuff like that yeah just fucking really weird

she said that danny one time made her hang from a chin-up bar in the garage and then turn on his welder's torch threatening to burn her if she let go. What the fuck? I don't know what the fuck that is. She saw him use the blowtorch to burn field mice alive as well. Why would you do that? She also cried

when he threatened to do the same thing to her mother. He said, I'll do that to your mother. Also, Danny killed her cat in front of her with the bloat what and she the more she cried the louder he laughed at her is what she said holy shit um what kind of picture are we painting a danny he's a sociopath man uh yeah well i mean even his friend said he likes he wants to fuck my teenage daughter like he's not a good guy it seems like my daughter likes him.

Oh yeah. Either way. Um, but he would be like, yeah. And he would talk about how I'm dating a 15 year old. So, uh,

she said that Danny would put a pistol to her head and threatened to kill her if she told anybody about this. So, um, yeah, that's pretty fucking wild. Um, she said that she, he would arrest the nozzle of the the gun on her temple and pull the trigger.

So she never knew if it was loaded until she heard a click. So he was just fucking with her. This is horrible, man. And then he would tell her that it's our little secret. Disgusting. So she said that he had two personalities. She said he'd toss a ball with a kid for hours and then become angry and abusive at the drop of a hat

with no problem for no reason and no warning at all. She said that the emotional abuse started at a really young age and then that grew into physical abuse, which then grew into sexual abuse. Yeah, she said that I think it was nine when the sex started. At a really young age. And then that grew into physical abuse. Which then grew into sexual abuse. Yeah. She said that I think it was nine when the sex started. I think it was around the time my mom left him. And the court ordered that I had to keep going back.

I know he was just doing it to get back at my mom. But I never told my mom what was going on. I was too afraid. This poor girl. Jesus Christ. So Denise. They asked her. Do you know anybody that would want to kill Danny?

And she said, my family. Number one, they love to kill him. It's literally what she said. Her quote is my family. Then she said, let me tell you, Danny was a person who could make enemies so quickly. He was sharp with his remarks. He was cruel. He was running a business at home and very often he would kick people right out of the yard, sometimes physically.

He frightened me many times. off and he would kick people right out of the yard sometimes physically he frightened me many times one time he did it to a police officer who came to the door took him by the shirt and shoved him right outside he was an incredible human being not in a good way by the way yeah uh he said no fear whatsoever of repercussion didn't even consider whether he needed to be liked just an asshole um she said that she didn't learn about the extent of Danny's abuse of Melanie until after they had moved away. She said that Melanie had been near suicidal at that point, not handling it well, obviously. And so, yeah, she had shipped Melanie back to New Hampshire to live with relatives because they had more money and they could buy her things she needed. And they offered to even put her through college so you don't turn that down um she said they said well what about

your current husband would he want to do this and she said no he doesn't have revenge in him he felt he could protect melanie he wanted to have her in counseling or get her or and get through school and go to college he's intelligent enough to know that it serves no purpose to go out and shoot someone. Fine. So they originally, like we said, interviewed Melanie on November 22nd. It was the day after Thanksgiving. On New Year's Eve, they interview her friend Eric,

who is the guy who they went to the field hockey game with. And he said, yeah, I was with Melanie that morning. We went to a field hockey game about 60 miles away. Eric is like the most popular kid in school. Eric Windhurst is his name and most popular kid in school. His parents own a shitload of land, by the way, like lots of land. He's the best guy on the soccer team. They don't have a football team here either.

Not enough kids for a football team. So apparently the star of the soccer team is the sports star of the school here so wow he's the star of the school he's described as a handsome tall and athletic so yeah doing just doing just fine for himself basically and they said when they talked to him he seemed relaxed and relaxed and helpful and said the same things melanie said and they were like well that's pretty easy um not too bad um now eric they told them that the coach told him to look out for melanie on the team said look out for you know what i mean don't let any of the guys fuck with her basically keep an eye on her no hazing no hazing it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts

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you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Now, she liked him for a long time. She had a crush on him the whole time, but he never, he said to everybody that she was like a little sister to him and wasn't interested in her like that. She got friend-zoned. She got friend-zoned, yeah. wasn't interested in her like that. She got friend zoned. She got friend zoned. Yeah.

So but what really was they were like best friends. Yeah. You know, they hung out all the time. But anyway, he's he's they're really nice and they're really good together and all that kind of shit. He said, I got friendly with Melanie because she plays soccer with me. And he was even telling the cops, yeah, first girl to do it. We don't have a girls team. So it was really awesome.

He said they weren't dating, but, you know, he that he'd invited her to come to the high school field hockey championship. And he said he picked her up at 9 a.m. at her aunt's house, drove her to the game, left when the game was over at noon. They stopped in Concord to get burgers at McDonald's and he dropped her off at 2 p.m. So nine to two is I mean, he got killed at about 1130, right in the middle of that. So there's, you know, that was it. And then she, the next day, packed up and went on a school trip to Canada with her French class. So the cops just left their business card and they left a note in the report.

The above information is substantially the same as given by Melanie Puckett when she was interviewed. So their stories check out. Everything's fine. When her said that Melanie had told him that she can buy it confided in a school counselor that Daniel had molested her years earlier, though. That basically she worried that he I'm sorry, Melanie had told Eric that Melanie was worried that Danny would find out that she was telling that told somebody about it and kill her basically. So that's how it works. He also said that he was really hard to hear. Eric said what the hell this guy did to her and everything.

He was fucking it was terrible. Eric's mother was the it was known as like the town nutcase by the way she was um the sole heir of land baron john shackford kimball who in the 19th century began a legacy of purchases and developments that would shape the very town of hopton uh hop kinton that's the from the book so that tells you that they had the Kimball Campbells. They had a huge, huge tract of land. They had all all this fucking land all over town. They're known as like not rich, but land rich. If they sold all their holdings, they'd have a shitload of money.

Right. They don't have. In the event of a rainy day, we can sell off acreage and be fine. Yeah, exactly. Now, Eric, Eric likes his. He's got an older brother named trapper trapper keeper yeah and uh trapper i guess they're big hunters i guess big fans of the jerky he tells he idolizes his older brother he said him and melanie were like brother and sister

you know everything like that um so january 1st 1986 this is a little bit after the shooting New Year's Day Eric goes over to Trapper's house and knocks on the door and they open the door Eric says hi all the time and he stands just in the doorway for some reason usually he comes in sits down gets a drink and Trapper's like

what's going on what's up and Martha the wife is sitting right there and Eric says I have something sitting right there and eric says i have something to tell you and um they were like okay and he said remember that guy in hook set who got shot danny paquette melanie's stepdad and he goes yeah oh yeah i remember that case and uh eric goes well i did it oh yeah he said i did it it was me i was the one who fucking did it he said that um sorry i did it but i had to eric's known as like a nice guy but a little bit of a loose cannon at one point there

was a party in the woods and some girl brought a guy he didn't like so he pulled a shotgun on them and made them leave so kind of a weird guy eric you know what i mean um put it right in her face and uh he like we said he's questioned the deal, but they don't suspect him at all. And he says, oh, yeah, that was me. He tells his brother Trapper. So very interesting. Now, police are clueless to this, obviously. This is January 1st, 1986.

They're looking at all sorts of different things. They don't even consider him a suspect. And we don't know if he's telling the truth. So they think maybe it was a hunting accident. Then Victor, here are all the theories. Hunting accident. Victor also told the cops, quote, the brother, because he's like a biker. He said, I think that someone might have mistook my brother for me and killed the wrong guy.

So now it's like, well like well no he's the one who goes out and does shit and has a lot of enemies that's what he's saying he knows i'm always over there they could have thought it was me he's got a mask on and overalls yeah good point so they're like they could have very easily thought it was me he said i i'm currently screwing they said why do you say that he said quote i'm currently screwing a married woman from manchester and if her husband found out he could have learned that I'm a welder. They said, go on. If he found that out, he might have looked up Paquette Welding in the phone book, and if he did that, he would have come to my brother's house and shot the wrong guy.

This is logical. I suppose, yeah. Yeah, if you're a biker fucking some other biker's wife, he's going to come shoot you. Is it a biker? Is it a biker's wife, or is it just some dude's wife it's some guy who he's afraid would come and shoot him so probably you know what i mean i don't know this guy might want to hurt me yeah it's probably not a judge's wife you know i don't know maybe so they said all right well now they also have to worry about everybody victor's ever pissed off

he's been around so that could be anybody those people could be numerous a lot yeah so they were like shit um this is fucking crazy and they still couldn't find the goddamn bullet by the way no bullets still they're still looking they looked all over the place everywhere and the only piece of evidence that comes forward that they think is huge is it turns out there was a man this is crazy because nowadays you know everything's on camera. Even there's drones all over the place. But back then, nothing was, especially in the middle of the woods, unless there was some guy out with a hot air balloon videotaping from the sky.

And there was. There was a fucking man. A 1985 drone. Exactly. It's an 80s drone. An 80s drone was in the air where the man with a giant VHS recorder pointed at the ground. Imagine if he dropped that, he would have killed 12 people. Things weighed 40 pounds.

And if he misses anybody, it's going into the earth. Yeah, deep. So he's flying over this exact spot when this happens and has video footage of it. Wow. How crazy. What are the odds of that? So it's wild. At 11 a.m., he had been drifting over the house right at the same time as the shot.

Like, Christ, did it come from the sky? Shocking. So if the shot didn't come up at an angle up, I'd say maybe he did it. So they said they looked. They searched every frame of the tape hoping the camera could find something. And it's just shitty quality. And they couldn't get anything. Somebody with a weapon, a car out of place, something where something wasn't supposed to be.

But turns out hot air balloon guy was useless. Shit video. So then they have another suspect. video yeah so then they have another suspect monday morning after the shooting 48 hours later a man named nicholas johnson walked into the riley's gun and ammo shop and uh he walks in and he places a 30-06 rifle and a box of ammunition on the counter and he says i want to return this gun and the clerk said what's wrong with it and he said nothing's wrong i've been thinking about getting rid of this gun since danny paquette died it just doesn't seem right to have it and the guy thought it was really weird um and then he talked to the guy and the guy said he'd

been out shooting on the day of the incident and they said that they looked at the slip and the the the receipt said he bought the gun two weeks earlier and he checked the box of ammo and three rounds were missing. Just three? Yeah. So they're like, is this the fucking murder weapon? Did this guy just try to return the murder weapon to the store? That's a bold move. So the clerk calls the police who they look into his background.

Turns out this guy lives at a spiritual commune tucked away in the backwoods. He believes in holistic health through sauna massage and acupuncture and they said why do you want to return the rifle and he said quote it didn't seem right to have it not after danny died and they said the death has affected you and he said oh yes i've been very sad ever since and he just didn't want any part of having guns anymore yeah and he had he's had mutual friends with danny paquette that's why so he was sad and he thought it was wrong to have a gun and harm things so not that guy yeah yeah so now they get tips tips come in they have a crime stopper line they have a thousand dollar reward

tips come in one caller said a biker named jimma j-i-m-m-a yeah jimma bolduc b-o-l-d-u-k-c was behind the shooting another called to say that one of danny's ex-girlfriends had married a known drug user and burglar who bragged about being contracted to kill someone and then another tip said that danny had been dating a 16 year old girl from manchester who had a brother in the u.S. Marines and the brother and sister had conspired to shoot him. That seems possible. That seems closest, yeah. Out of all of those, that seems the closest probably out of anything there because I'm sorry, that'll make you want to shoot somebody.

For sure. Yeah. So I don't know why I said I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. You know what? I'm not even sorry. I don't like child molesters. I'm going to say it.

I'm going to come out. I'm going to have the balls to say it. Some people sit there. They'll hem and haw. It's about time. Me and Jimmy, no, we'll come out. We'll come out and we'll say it. We don't think it's right to molest children, and you shouldn't fucking touch them, and

you should leave them the fuck alone. Yeah, I get it. Bold statement, but we're going to make it. You shouldn't be forced to be around it. That's right, goddammit. That's what we do on this show. We're taking the hard stances, everybody. fucking christ man so good god when they when they searched danny's home for clues as to why somebody might target him they found his little black book they

found at least 60 numbers in there a few family family, some business associates, mostly women. A lot of the married women in the area and women, when they were called to ask about Danny, pretended not to know him. So women, he was fucking is what it is. Married women. This was this was his married woman book. So how many how many possible suspects do we have now? Way too many. way too many for this guy finally a utility guy there's the phone's been out so there's some utility guy goes and

he's got to climb a pole and he's got this he finds a something lodged in a phone cable a thick phone cable turns out to be the goddamn bullet they're looking for wow it hit the phone cable hit the phone cable out way down the street from the property this is like you know down the street do you know how fucking small that that's unbelievable severed the phone cable this is like the immaculate shots the magic bullet it went through his chest perfectly killed him and then went over to sever a phone cable that's shocking impressive so um yeah he calls the the police and uh they have also the bullets covered in white and red material and determined that the white material was bone fragment consistent with the wound on danny it took bone fragment with it with it down down the street. Into a phone cable.

And blood. Shocking. What the fuck? And the bullet's in great shape, too, because the cable preserved it rather than it going into something harder that would have flattened it. So they have all the striations and they can check it out. It's a.270 caliber. What's that? .27?

Yeah. I don't know. I've never heard of that either way well i think we'll get into that in a minute here if i'm not mistaken so uh now there's no dna test at the time to prove that it's danny's blood but they know that so they're going around this doesn't help because now there's just more people they have to figure out because every time they talk to anybody they get 10 more suspects so they're like what do we fucking do it's growing right what you do is you start out with a big pool and you narrow it down they have every time they talk to people it fucking grows exponentially it's like well here's five more people that hate him and here's why and well those are all reasonable reasons for hating him so another neighbor of danny's described him as cold

and someone who never gave her the time of day. The woman said she'd been friendly with Danny's ex-wife, Denise, before she left. And that's probably why. The woman said there were rumors that Danny had molested one of the daughters, which is why Denise had taken off. So even the neighbors know it. Everybody knows. Everybody knows the hook set police department sergeant. He told he was told that Danny had been dating a teenage girl at the same time he dated Ruth, which we know is true from Duarte because he told him the same thing.

They didn't know the girl's name. That's probably Duarte who said this. We don't know. I don't know that for a fact. That's alleged. But they didn't know the informant didn't know the girl's name, only that she was someone from the neighborhood. The man had seen her at Danny's. She had blonde hair and glasses and was even younger than the 16-year-old girl whose brother was in the Marine Corps. Fucking.

So he had many young girls he was fucking from the neighborhood. He's in his 30s? He's 36, Jimmy. Jesus Christ, man. His barber had a story. Well, a barber, yeah. The police sergeant stopped in for a haircut at Roy's Barbershop in North Manchester here. And the barber, who's an old guy, mentioned to the cop that he knew Danny Paquette, too. He said Danny had told him that he was sleeping with a woman in the city who had a rich husband.

Now, he's not more. I mean, you can't even go get a haircut without getting three more suspects for this fucking guy. with a woman in the city who had a rich husband. Now he's not more. And so, I mean, you can't even go get a haircut without getting three more suspects for this fucking guy. Like, Oh Jesus, stop, stop talking to me.

Everyone just stop with the suspects. Too many leads. How is Danny fucking so many people? He's fucking everybody. Everybody. This is crazy. This is nuts, man.

Um, so the sergeant returned to hookset there and then heard from another neighbor and said that Danny had recently visited him and he had two black eyes. This was after he got his nose broken by the kid there. So this Danny came over because his neighbor was a martial arts instructor. Danny had asked if he could teach him some techniques. him some techniques uh danny said you know the fight i had well it ain't over they're coming back that's what he told him so he was expecting more combats now they're like great let's add the kids into this fucking mix now holy shit um also it was somebody else one of his friends because they were asking friends of his that were cleared totally if they could make sense of this black book do you know any of these people because they knowing him. So one of the people in the black book, one of his friends pointed out that one of the listings in the black book had been of somebody. Danny had been in a motorcycle accident in about 1982, and the woman who'd been riding on the back had been killed. Oh, boy.

Her family, and that woman's brother-in-law especially held danny responsible and was running around town threatening to kill him constantly there so there are how many dangerous people bikers drug dealers angry husbands angry ex-husbands angry parents angry brothers angry marines angry bikers it's a it never ends with this fucking guy it's this it's like skidmore this is like skidmore light over here yeah it is worse he wasn't molesting kids right no i don't think he was oh that's right yeah yeah oh he yeah he just would take them and marry them when they were 15 yeah it's crazy so you're right that one is worse it's it's yeah it's bad so danny's cleaning lady now gets into the mix oh god she said that she wouldn't come to the house unless her sister or mother came with

her she said danny would proposition her while she cleaned up and she said the offers weren't threatening or overbearing and they never came with like he never grabbed her or anything but she said there was something in his manner that disturbed her. But she said her brother-in-law was a friend of Danny's, so she didn't want to drop him as a client and get into it with there. So she just brings somebody with her. She also reported that a biker named Jim Abalduke, again, the same guy, had a grudge against Victor, the brother. And that was the same name that a crime line caller gave, too. So now he's in the mix.

One of the guys said, the police guy said, there seems to be no end to the list of solid suspects. An embezzler, biker gangs, teenage lovers, any number of jealous husbands, boyfriends or fathers, and a drug dealing hippie. He said, or somebody we've even yet to look at. Like, we have no utter utter fucking or it could be a hunting accident that's literally where we're at we have no idea what happened it could be completely innocent or the most psychotic shit you've ever heard ever heard planned this could be 20 people all at once sitting around a monitor watching good he got him okay like like when they killed bin laden or something you know what i mean there's a war room somewhere somewhere yeah people are watching um so they said right now we'd favor

none over the rest uh we'll see where the evidence leads so they have no idea that is what that said then unsolved mysteries did a thing on him as well yeah at this point on danny's death um he said i saw these the tape of the unsolved mystery show they said, what's the likelihood it's connected to the mother's death in the 1960s? And the cop said, none. It's bunk. We never believed that for a second. Do you think Danny killed his mom? I think Danny killed his mom.

It's possible. That's obviously not positive. It's alleged, whatever. But it's, okay. His whole history. He's the only one there. He's the only one there. alleged whatever but it's okay his whole history he's the only one there yeah no one's around it seems like if something happened carried her out there burned her somebody took the can away i mean it could be a random thing that happened but a random thing on a farm i just it seems much more likely that it's the only kid that's there

yeah and there's nothing that's there that carries an accelerant nothing nothing around no nothing in there that carries it at all that you could carry somebody took that out they had so i mean she had to have been murdered she didn't burn herself nobody burns themselves alive they just don't that's not how suicide works it's not a normal thing i've never heard of that and a random pigsty other woods no yeah other than like a monk who's making a political statement i don't imagine just people going i'm gonna burn myself alive in the pigsty in the woods? No. Yeah. Other than like a monk who's making a political statement. I don't imagine just people going, I'm going to burn myself alive in the pigsty. There's way less painful ways to go out. And even when he does that, he leaves the jerry can sitting next to him out there in the field.

You can find it. It's right there. Because it'd be impossible for him to clear it. That's why. He can't throw it away after. No. So that's what I mean. Judging by his history after that, tortures Tortures, animals, molest children mean to just be the fucking sake of mean.

That sounds like the profile of a 15 year old who would kill and burn his mother. Doesn't it? Just to me, it does. I mean, I'm just saying they never found anybody. It's way more suspicious than not. That's what I mean. Knowing who he is now. Yeah.

And back then they just were like well it must have burned alive there was no forensics they didn't go they didn't fucking know who knows poor lady spontaneously combusted yeah so they asked could it have been an accidental shooting and the one cop says unfortunately we've never been able to disprove that so we have to leave that on the table as a possibility we know there were men shooting target practice in the direction the bullet came from and then his partner said too good a shot paquette was protected on both sides by the bulldozer the bullet got him in the heart the split second he stood up for making a welt the odds against that are are in the billions yeah well yeah it's also the odds of

it going to the telephone wire perfectly afterwards the amount of things that lined up post the shot are even crazier. So who fucking knows? It's fucking ridiculous. So 1991, Rena. They reopened the case of Rena. They exhume her body after 26, 27 years. They exhume her fucking body. They exhume, check again, and now they update the cause of death to undetermined.

Why is that? They found things that were inconsistent with the original report. Like they were just sloppy and trying to swish it under the rug because they didn't want to blame a 15-year-old or say they didn't know what they were doing. Or worse, have to fucking solve this thing that's really hard. Yep. The medical examiner currently, well, not currently, but in 91 said that the homicide homicide had not believed that she committed suicide and that all of his him and the other officers had been ordered to quote forget their suspicions of murder by the attorney general and their supervising officers fucking mouth fucking a

holy shit um wow now by the way every year that goes by by that Danny's death isn't solved, Victor calls Police Sergeant Roland Lammy every November. And he says, what are you doing to solve my brother's murder? And he says, it's the same thing every year. He says, I assure you, Victor, we haven't forgotten about your brother's case. We'll investigate any new leads when they come available. And then Victor says, fuck you, and hangs up every year. I like Victor. I really do.

He's a fun character anyway. I don't know if I want to hang out with him, but he's definitely a fun guy in this story. Seems very gruff New England. I dig him. Except for that stupid Patriot tat he has on. I like him. Oh, definitely. Yeah.

He's like, well, I mean, Belichick's the best. Don't get me wrong. Oh, definitely. Yeah. He's like, well, I mean, Belichick's the best. Don't get me wrong. So 1992, the Paquettes appear on a local daytime talk show hosted by Kathy Burnham, who was a former Miss New Hampshire. Jesus Christ, that sounds bleak.

That sounds like Vermont a couple weeks ago on the Express with that public access. So during the show, they restated thatena's unsolved death uh they basically thought it was tied to danny's shooting now they think her death is tied to his shooting somehow in the same way the only thing that i think maybe um they said the family that didn't come across very well and uh but within a week they got two anonymous letters, the police officers, after this aired. Two anonymous phone call and two unsigned letters. Okay. One postcard was filled one side from top to bottom with the words on a typewriter, with the exception of a faint trace of red throughout all the letters from a two-tone ribbon.

It was a very, everything was perfect. So they have all the evidence. This is the card. Quote, it is common knowledge in Hopkinton that a young man named Eric Windhurst,

remember his name? Yeah. Melanie's friend, shot Paquette with his father's.270 rifle to avenge abuse to Paquette's daughter, a friend of Windhurst.

Windhurst arranged an alibi from the Quinn boy. Eric Windhurst's brother, Scott, told Mr. Windhurst so he's aware of what happened. I am dumbfounded as to why this case is still unsolved. It's a bad example to the many young people who know the facts about the murder. They look at it as a justified murder because of the alleged abuse.

This is not healthy. Windhurst has a long history of shady dealings in this village, including check forgery. Nonetheless, he's misled. Nonetheless, he's misled the police very successfully. He's obsessed with guns and is a crackerjack shooter. It is said that he keeps his friend's mum on his dealings through charm, through intimidation and through threats. I can understand why. Can't you?

A former neighbor. Yeah. Okay. Now, second letter was two pages long it was also typewritten but they said it was filled with misspellings and shitty pronounce like punctuation and also the typewriter ribbon was even fucked up so the tops and bottom of the letters were faded you know it was like a barely had any ink left so uh they said that it seemed like the two letters were written by different people or someone went to the great extent to make it look that way you know what i mean this one said i'm

grateful i was watching kathy burnham show and saw the paquettes on april 30th something had been eating away at me but i have been afraid to step forward seeing the pain the family is suffering persuaded me to do so the family is wrong to conclude that danny paquette's death is connected to his mother's death melanie paquette danny's daughter told me eric winhurst who was going to hopkinton high school with her shot and killed her father she and eric had talked a lot about how she hated her father because he had sexually abused her eric wanted to blow him away he's an expert marksman he had gotten away with all kinds of crimes before. Once he had some of his friends, once he and some of his friends had taken some checks from a cabin his father rented out and forged them to buy things.

He never got caught. I know she thought Eric was cool at the time, and he was a lot older than she is, than she. He was two years older. They were a grade apart. She said Eric took his father's two 70 rifle. They drove to his father's house and hook set parked on a road near the house and walk through the woods where they could see the house. She pointed out her father working in the yard. Then Eric took,

uh, told her to go back to the car. He shot him and ran back to the car. I don't know why the police, uh, I don't know why, but the police questioned Eric about the murder. However,

he'd gotten one of his friends who knew about everything to give him an alibi. Eric's father was friends with the police, plus Eric himself is so cool, clean-cut, and charming, nobody would ever expect him to do a thing like that, so they didn't question him again. I hope this information will help you and the family. I know it's

incredible to think this happened this way, but it did. I think it will be hard for you to reach Eric because he's been lying low out west since he graduated. May God bless the Paquette family. Wow. So it's got to be like a big hunting rifle, huh? Yeah. Like a bolt action.

Yeah. Something like that. He went out to Colorado. One shot in the fucking chest? Wow. From a long way away. Now, they said stray bullets this is more theories stray bullets can travel a mile or two miles with a fatal velocity they said that's possible but not probable now

they also said there are steel panels surrounding the bulldozer's cab so a fish and game officer said if your victim was standing here it's unlikely the shot could have come from the left hand or right hand side. The opening he was standing in was only one foot ten inches. If he had come on an angle, say five degrees to the right or left, the bullet would have been deflected by the bulldozer. Standing here in the open well of the cab

between the dashboard and seat, the only way he could have been struck in the chest was straight on, meaning the shot came from due north. That's fucking good police work. Then, they took this is awesome because now they have gps and shit they took there's a there's a a thing a while like almost a mile away or a little over a mile away there is a this is why they're talking about there's a place that's like a pit where people shoot guns and target it's a big target place

and they were wondering if that's where it came from because it's north of there they're like fuck there's people firing off shots like crazy what if one of them got loose so they took gps measurements at the sand pit that's the shooting range it's uh i'm not going to give you all the fucking degrees and everything but he added the coordinates for the paquette residents and then he ran the numbers the distance between the two points was one mile and 2,390 feet. That's still within the range of possibility for a projectile to travel that far. But one thing that he has later on that 1985 people don't have is computers and GPS. So he overlaid the data with a topographical map and drew a straight line between the two points, the way a bullet would go. The Paquette House was elevated 307 feet higher than the pit you wouldn't know this unless you had a computer and shit so because the sand pit was so much lower any shot from there would

have had to clear so many hills and trees that the bullet would have had to sail far above the house and the only way they could make it there on a straight line so it would have been like an arc the other way going down they said the only way it could come on a straight line and go up through him would be if it traveled more than one mile underground and then popped out of a gopher hole into it which is impossible you know yeah not gonna happen so they said that disproves that theory from that direction. It couldn't have been astray from the sand pit like they had wondered the whole time. So they're like, OK, now, while re-canvassing this in 2002, 2003, they talk to one of the neighbors and they say, do you remember anything about that day? And they go, I remember seeing a car parked in a suspicious place down there. This cop said, what the fuck?

Where is this coming from now yeah there's a cutout that had been left behind when a road had been straightened decades earlier so the turn part was just left off to the side and it's kind of a place a dirt cutout where you can sit in your car they said like you know underage kids go there and drink and finger each other basically that's what all it is so the neighbor said we'd see people park there at night but almost never during the day i told the police officer who came to my house about it he said it was probably a hunter and didn't write it down okay dismissal this guy was like what the fuck i'd like to strangle whoever that was so uh they said there was pages and pages and pages of

police reports about cars parked alongside fucking roads, but no mention of any cards on this dirt cutout anywhere. Uh, the hundreds of fucking cars that were there. Nope. They didn't write that down, nor was there any mention from the original investigators if they had

interviewed this neighbor either. Wow. So they just talked to her and they were like, that's just hunters. And well, they didn't even note it, for Christ's sake. Lazy. Lazy.

Shit, small town. That's just shit police work. It's just a lazy person who's not good at their job. So they said if someone had stood on the back edge of the property line and fired at Danny, it would be conceivable they would have parked at that cutout to get to that vantage point. They said, do you remember anything about the car? A plate plate a color a model anything she said all i remember about it and you expect to be fuck it's all it was a big car she said all i remember about it it was it was a dark colored volkswagen maybe blue or black

which is great that's way more than you could have prayed for not bad they were like awesome so then they looked up everybody they've talked to does anybody in this entire suspect pool of hundreds of people we've talked to drive a dark colored fucking volkswagen one does and it's eric windhurst he's the only guy if the cop had when she said a car was down there you have to ask what kind of car because if it's a hunter they're not driving a fucking volkswagen they're not driving a volkswagen golf out there or a beetle or some shit no it's probably a truck yes i'm not trying to take a fucking buck home on the top of my volkswagen yeah that's gonna be a college kid from in town or something like that in a volkswagen so anyway they talked to more people and uh they now they're talking to people about

Eric and uh they said hey everybody's saying he hasn't been around town much since he's been divorced because he had moved away and came back and uh but this friend described how Eric would make his own ammunition by hand reloading the spent shells with gunpowder and using a press to attach the bullet uh they said that his they he made you know they did it very well and they said well what did he shoot with he said eric owned a model 77 ruger it was a 270 cal oh jesus said how do you know he had a model 77 and the guy said i saw him with it it was a birthday present from his father i think his father owned a 272 he said uh he remembered his father's weapon it was a winchester model 70 that had been test

fired by the crime lab and ruled out as the rifle but they didn't know that eric had one of his own yeah they didn't know he had one of his own so yeah they that was it uh 2004 they they're like fuck what are we gonna do they go over the whole thing they're like well eric and melanie had a alibi for that day they said they went to a they went to a field hockey game so they talked to everybody who could have possibly been at the field hockey game yeah especially the people who gave hit who backed up his alibi at this point though no one remembers seeing him there uh-oh and he said eric winhurst was the most popular kid in school he was active in sports he mingled easily with all the clicks if he was at that field at the field hockey game people would have noticed they know him yeah then they also asked his friend was he a good shot and the kid said probably the best in town

he always got the biggest buck probably the best i've ever seen they said was he talented enough to hit a small target with precision from a long distance? Could he do it from 300 yards or more? And the guy said, yes, he could do that. I've seen him hit small game on the fly. He was amazing. I don't even ever remember him missing. Eric was a hell of a shot. Wow.

So they're like, fuck. All right. Well, they have to find they're going to start with. Let's talk to Melanie and see if we can get Melanie to tell on him, basically. So they have to track Melanie down. Melanie is now Melanie Cooper. Oh. And she is now in Boise, Idaho, and she's a Mormon with five kids.

Stop it. She's a Mormon with five children now who lives in Boise, Idaho, and is very active in the church and all this type of shit. Repenting, maybe? So just getting away from this craziness. I mean, she's been, her whole childhood was awful. Nuts, yeah. So they ring her doorbell and she's like, oh, fuck. Interesting.

She apparently had failed out of school. She was partying. She was drinking. She was doing a lot. And then she ended up meeting david cooper her friend is a was a mormon and offered her to come to utah and live with her and try to clean herself up so she moved out there she meets david cooper who's a byu student and they end up getting married and they end up having a shitload of kids and uh all that sort of thing. So they're doing great out there. Melanie here, they talked to her and she's like, you know, I am.

Yeah, I gave I told you I was at the field hockey game. She said at one point, I don't really remember a lot about that portion of my life. I've tried to block a lot of it out because of the abuse. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to focus on what you were asking. So they asked she asked if you could write them down. So they wrote her a series of questions and she answered them in writing like through the mail and writing right then they go great no that's awesome we're really happy you did that super cool they said we have all your statements and now all we have to do is leave is just verify them on the polygraph so

cool yeah that's cool right voluntary and she was like she said i mean i don't know i'm just curious all of a sudden i haven't heard about this in so long and then all of a sudden here it is i mean you don't call to get an appointment first you just show up you know appointment an appointment uh they said that's the way we do business we go and physically knock on doors if you still lived in hopk, it would have been a lot easier to do. You would have seen us way sooner. We had to fly out here for fuck's sake. Get on a goddamn plane.

So they said, she said, how does it work? And they said, well, we're going to verify exactly what you told us. And then we're on a plane and out of your hair. Don't worry about it. Just as long as it comes back. She said, are they pretty accurate? And he goes, very accurate, actually. She said, do you have a machine or something?

And they go, yeah, the other man who's with us, he'll set it all up. And she said, it's not like shots, right? And they said, no, God, no. It's like she was getting a shot like a truth serum. And she said, it's not a truth serum. And they said, no, we're going to monitor your, what the fuck? No, not at all. You're talking about a truth serum.

That doesn't exist, lady. Sit down. She said not at all. You're talking about a truth serum. That doesn't exist, lady. Sit down. She said she saw on a TV show something about a truth serum, and they were like, yeah, that's not what this is. So she ends up fucking, I mean, they ask her, did you ever want your dad dead? And she said, yeah, or they asked her at the time. She tried to hold it out. Okay. She tried to hold up. And then eventually, though, she couldn't dance around the questions anymore.

And she finally said, okay, fine. I'll tell you everything. Here's what happened. Eric did it. I thought he was joking. We were driving there. And he said, anything you say, I'll just turn around. I can leave.

We can stop at any time you want. And yeah, she said that the first he was the one to bring it up she said that he asked her do you want your dad dead and she said yeah i want him dead and eric said well i've got connections do you really want him dead and melanie thought eric was kidding uh like it seemed like something in a movie to her she thought that was silly silly. So he said, I'm going to kill him. And she said, okay, then I'm going with you then if you're going to do it. She thought he was joking. So he said, no, you're not. And she said, yes, I am.

And he said, I'm not taking a girl with me on a murder. He's got some sense around here. Then she says, you don't even know where the house is. And he goes, I can find it. And he goes, then she says, you don't even know who to shoot and then he went all right i'll come get you you're right i don't i do need you i do need to bring a girl with me because i don't know anything of what i'm doing i have a gun and nothing else i don't know where i'm going or who i'm shooting i'll murder someone look at i got a gun yeah i can do it

jerk get in the car all right fine so they stopped for gas ahead of time because he didn't want to run out of gas taken off afterwards. That would be bad. So the attendant came to the window. It's a full service. Eric asked for five on this pump over here. As the guy pumped the gas, he noticed there's a rifle on the back seat in the car. But the guy said going hunting all happy and eric nodded and said uh then eric nodded and the guy said well it's

the first day of hunting season good day for that yeah like that's what everybody who's been stopping for gas has so no problem there what are you doing hunting probably? Probably, you dummy. You think stupid? Well, murdering? Either one? Either way, it's hunting. Yeah, either way, it's none of your fucking business, basically. So they drove around. They finally passed it. Melanie pointed it out and said, that's the house I grew up in.

Eric drove past the house. The house was on the main road, and it was busier than he thought it was going to be. He said, where can we park? And she said, I know there's a path over there there i know a path in the woods that goes to the backside because she lived there so he parked on that muddy cutout just like that lady said and um he turned the car off and they were sitting there and like are we going to really do this and he made the first move he got out he got in the back seat got his rifle fucking reached into his pocket and pulled out a pack of gum gave her a stick of trident yeah it's a murder gum you

know there you go i wonder if when you're shooting someone like that it's like when you're pitching you want to keep your mouth off moving so you keep your brain off what you're doing juicy fruit right it's trident i know it's really it was actually it was trident i know for a fact it was trident it's in the book yeah he chews gum like a 45 year old man yeah he's like i don't want to get stuck to my bridge yeah who chews that at 16 um he offered melanie a stick and they drank some or they drank they ate the they ate the the gum and they were you know walking around and he's carrying the rifle and that that's that. They walk over there. They go into the brushes.

He held his rifle in front of him and fucking pow, one shot. He said he calmed down, got his breathing ready. One shot, got him, saw what happened, and he said, run. So Melanie took off up the path. They ran. Melanie yelled, what happened? He said, keep running keep running she said what happened is danny chasing us what do you think i have a gun we wouldn't be running if he was chasing us and he just said faster shut the fuck up so they ran faster and harder they uh they ran all the way they get all the way to the car right where they

left it thankfully he throws the gun in there, covers it with the blanket. They fucking drive away calmly like nothing ever happened. Eric then tells everyone he's ever met that this happened. Wow. Eric told everyone in school, all of his friends. He told Trapper. He told his parents. He told all of his friends.

Everyone who knows Eric for 20 years knew that he shot this guy. Stunning. Nobody cared and everybody thought it was justified. So they were all like, fuck, nobody would turn him in because they were like, fuck it. He deserved to die. That fucking guy. So he told his friend he was hanging out with his friend at one point back then. And he said, I killed him.

And the guy said, huh? And he goes, I killed him. I killed Melanie's stepfather. And he said, what the fuck are you talking about he goes i shot him i shot him uh yeah i shot him right in the head then i dragged his body downstairs and dumped it behind a wood pile in his house which he didn't do but that's what he told him he said um he was trying to be a little cooler than he than he actually was yeah and then i grabbed a hold of the body that I just made. Which is none of that shit. So Eric, his whole life, this is crazy. Eric, he was in the Marine Corps.

He was a star athlete in the Marine Corps, good marksman. Police, they asked Melanie, who did you tell about the shooting? And she said, my husband husband knows the only person I told at the time was the nanny who lived with us I forget her name Wendy why would you told your nanny nanny and husband and they said did you tell your aunt and Melanie

said no I knew she could lose her job over it the murder prosecutor so that was nice of her not to tell her they said what about her mother what about your mother and Melanie said I had a phone call with her it was after danny died i called her and asked her if she was happy if we could be a family again i just kept asking her if she was happy i never said a word but she knew um so they ask about eric and um they said well when's the last time you talked to eric and she said he called me a couple weeks after my wedding in 1990

They said, well, when's the last time you talked to Eric? And she said, he called me a couple weeks after my wedding in 1990. And she said that, you know, we just had an unspoken bond because I owed him a blood debt, basically, is what it was. Then she said, hey, what are the chances that I'll go to jail? And they went, I mean, probably pretty good, probably. I mean, yeah, they said. Are you a bad lady? Yeah.

What are we talking? Odds here? Five to two. How's that? I don't know. He said, Melanie, I don't get that sense, but I don't know for sure. I can't make you any promises. What I need you to do is talk to the prosecutor.

And then she got some Tylenol because she had a headache after that. So part of her deal is she's going to call Eric on the phone with all the cops around and record it. That's all they got. That's it. So she calls him and says, I got a situation out here and I need to talk to you. She tells him the cops came and they're hot on my tail about Danny's death. Yeah, they know some shit. And he said, should we be talking on the phone?

And Melanie said, it's okay. I'm not at home. I'm calling from my neighbor's house. So Eric said that his cell phone was out in his truck, gave her the cell phone number, and then immediately all the cops wrote that down and told her to call back on that number. So when it came in, she calls him and he answers the phone and said,

I just told them I didn't have anything to do with it. Hold on, hold on. This man went from a landline who thinks yeah which isn't tapped at all hey listen should we be talking on the phone this seems way too safe i need to get on my cell phone let me get on my cell phone where they can really just like literally hang out in a car with a fucking radio thing and pick it up just make it a lot easier otherwise they'd need like a wire tap and it'd be much harder to do let's just pick it up out of the sky yeah i need to get on a phone that might cross lines with another person's phone and they might hear the whole thing that

we just say especially in 2005 which is highly possible what the fuck he heard some shit about phones aren't safe yeah he doesn't know which ones doesn't he hasn't he hasn't really paid that much attention to too busy welding so she said i don't know what to do he said i get a lawyer if i were you yeah yeah no dummy you yeah you um so anyway eventually uh she said they're going back and forth she's trying to get him to say something and uh she said did you ever um melanie said what do i tell him if i got a lawyer and danny says tell the lawyer whatever you want to tell him and she said do i tell him the truth and danny said well i told my lawyer exactly what happened and that was you know that's that and she said you told your lawyer what happened with

danny and he said yeah yeah because it's his lawyer she's not allowed to tell on him and she said the whole thing i'm not clear on what you said to your lawyer and she he said it doesn't matter what i told my lawyer no it does i need you to say worse he said yeah please he said you know melanie frankly i'm not real comfortable talking on the phone about much of this and she said i know unless you want me to jump on a plane and fly out there and i can talk to you in person well that'd be super easy yeah they just have the cops hide in the closet that'd be much easier so melanie looked over at the state troopers like what the fuck do i do and then eric said for crying out loud you could be surrounded by five cops right now and you're and you could be in a police station as we're talking which is exactly

what she was doing with three cops um so anyway all of this he she ends up incriminating him and they arrest him and um he gives it up pretty quick i mean he's like yeah he has a carpentry business and he's got a house in uh contu contu cook he got married in 1996 he said no no he had lived there but now he lives in back there back in new hampshire he said I've lived in town for 20 years until they arrested me. That's it. He's like, I've just been there. We're having a family. One of the guys that knew him said, quote, in his family said it was the family secret that everybody knew.

Everybody knew, but nobody talked. It's fucking wild. They asked him, well, why'd you do it? He said it was really about what he's got. Her friend of his has a theory here they said that um his father basically he just learned that his own father was sexually abusing his sisters at that time so he's had you know this was in 85 he learned that his father had sexually abused his sisters do you think maybe he would kill his mother because she didn't protect them do you think maybe that happened

possibly i'm just saying i'm not you know um so um yeah anyway um oh no no this is about him i'm sorry holy shit this is about eric not eric became the fucking pedophile batman eric just eric found out his father was molesting his sister so that's what it was so his friend says about it uh one sister confirmed it to the authorities but too much time had passed to prosecute his father there was out of statute of limitations um so the friend said it was really about what his own father had done to his sisters that's what they said he was getting revenge for that so uh melanie is also charged here as well. She pleads guilty to felony hindering or apprehension.

And she is she's sentenced originally to three to six years in prison, I believe, here. And then that gets reduced to 15 months in prison for Melanie. So but it's weird because she's like upstanding mormon mother of five and now she's going to prison in rhode island it's just a very weird not expected so um i would dude she that's the thing if she went over there and stabbed him right in the eyeball a hundred times i'd be like great let her go who cares it's she fucking fucking she owed him that basically but this you can't have somebody do it yeah and i think when you're in a house where that shit's happening that thought enters your mind every single day but

the the the the you cannot you're frozen you will never be able to you're never going to do anything that that is is acting out to in defense until until it's something that puts you in prison. And that's really fucked, too, because it's very difficult to deal with. The mind control and the emotions. I feel bad for anybody in that situation ever, ever, ever. It's horrific. It's the most horrific thing possible because when you're a child, you can do nothing about anything.

You have no agency. It's not just the actual torture and the humiliation and everything that's happening it's also the you have no way to stop this it's so horrible no shit it's really fucking bad so his family um danny paquette's family they they're they don't believe it they're they're like listen they said that everybody knew about this in town, apparently, and the cops probably knew, too. And so they think they've been letting this guy go. The Paquette family says, my family and I have been given pretty good reason to distrust the New Hampshire justice system. Which I can't say that they're wrong for them.

For them, I would be like, fucking, they don't arrest anybody who kills our family. A year after his death, the family still had no idea who killed him um all that shit so 2006 eric goes to court and pleads guilty to second degree murder he pleaded uh guilty there he is sentenced to you sir may fuck off 15 to 36 years in prison. That's heavy. That's a lot for a 20-year-old murderer of what you did when you were a kid to protect a girl who was molested and is, by the way, you killed the worst guy in town.

Right. According to everybody. I don't know. You killed the monster of Hooksett and you're going to jail for up to 36? Jesus. Apparently, he's very popular in prison. Everybody wants to visit him.

People aren't they're not no one's like you know reeling away from him or anything they're all they like him um he said i'm the only one in here with a waiting list of people wanting to get in and see me a little arrogant about it he said he uh you know he had to kick his old dentist off the list to get the reporter in there they uh they asked him the details of the day and what happened in the murder and he said let's not reopen old wounds and they were like you know what the fuck and then he he finally said okay um they asked why and he said i've had plenty of people very prominent people say to me they would have done the same thing that's what he said he

says that he gets letters every day that call him a hero from people in town. Wow. They say, fuck that guy. He fucked my daughter. He killed my, you know, he did this to this one. October 2020, Eric is up for parole here. He's been in jail for, you know, 15 years or so on second degree murder. He, the Victor comes to the hearings. Victor's still around. Really?

And he's coming to the hearings. Victor's still around. And he's coming to the hearings. He showed he showed Eric a picture of the man he killed, which is Danny. And he said, is this the face you saw through the sight on your gun? He's fucking with him. He said, if you think this parole board, if you think and this parole board think for a minute that this bill is paid and justice was served. Hell no. Victor says there's one place for you and that's back in prison. So,

the official said he's been a model prisoner. He's done nothing wrong. He didn't do anything before that for years. All of his friends he told about the murder, they said, does he do any other crimes? And they all said he did some shit in high school, like he stole checks and stuff. But as an adult, I don't think he ever did anything wrong. So, they're like,

has no record. Model prisoner. Clearly not the same person he was as a teenager uh so they fucking they he says i live with it every day they have to live with it every day i'm so desperately sorry for what i've done and it's the weakest way to say you're sorry after doing what i've done but it's the only words we have and uh so victor was yelling at him victor when he said does this look familiar eric even said yes sir so i mean even yes sir i've seen that guy he even like did um the prosecutors uh say they also strongly oppose his release they said it was considered it was considered premeditated and targeted murder of a complete stranger in the ultimate act of vigilantism.

That's the senior assistant attorney general. Eric truly acted as Danny's judge, jury and executioner. So the parole board chair said to the family, I know you have concerns about the justice system, but we at the parole board can only do what our job is. The job of the parole board is not to be a resentencing body. And they grant him parole. How about that? He's released. He said what he did. board can only do what our job is the job of the parole board is not to be a resentencing body and they grant him parole how about that he's released he said what he did he even owned up to it in the parole yeah he did no he said he was totally on the level in the parole i did it and i i feel like it paid my sucks and um yeah i'm looking the family in the eye and i'm taking their shit that

they give me and i deserve it and that's i mean that's a can't do anything more than that scary new england biker telling me smart ass things and i'm just saying yes sir yes sir yep they said they're going to release him december 8th 2020 he's going to be released to his mother's house and she's 83 years old and he's going to uh he's going to take care of her and he's going to continue to work a maintenance job that he obtained on work release as well um the family very pissed off they said that uh he looked all they made him look all nice the one family member said like he just stepped out of a fashion boutique and headed for choir practice so that everybody

they're pissed is hook set new hampshire and that's just one of those messy yeah you know that's one of those we say you never make fun of the victims of the family and when you try not to but when it's sometimes it's not a there's victims there's a gray area in the thing that one's a cloudy as fuck one man it's all cloudy that's all Seattle day and I still think he may possibly in my opinion have killed his mother also this fucking Danny Paquette I have from everything he did what would say what would put that past him nothing like I can't think of anything, so I don't know. Either way, if you like the show, tell the world about it. Get on whatever app you're listening on, and please, please give us a review.

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And then also some other, a couple of other athletic sports scandals, especially one where apparently, allegedly, a lady golfer forced her caddy into impregnating her against his will or some shit like i told her his job was on the line for it if he didn't knock her up it's a crazy story male rape jesus it's wild a couple of those and then finally for small town murder we are going to talk about leonard lake and charles eng two of the worst people ever especially leonard lake he was a i mean ang would have done all that stuff he just didn't have as much of a chance to do it as lake but and he needed lake to really be the oh yeah it's really like that fire yeah he didn't have the social skills to pull these people in in his little orbit so either way the california is just to approve the execution of charles ang

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Your food's on us. We got you covered. I'll sleep in a trash can if I have to do it that's fair you deserve to be fucked up if you travel absolutely uh janice hill amy coleman congrats on your good divorce uh that's fantastic uh little latin lupe lu i i think i may be wrong but i think that's a porn star. Okay. Joe Settle in Portugal. Yang Kong Vang, I believe. SG, Julia McLaren, Steve Bockler, Anna Jellick, Beverly Stubbs,

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You get what he's saying, I think, Jimmy. It could be a real name, who knows. Patrizio Argento, Haley Tebbe, Malcolm Simpson, Tavoli, Barry Young? What? Sandy Heltzel, Philip Barry Hill, Pauline Stroh. You're very confused this week. Jimmy's like he just got here from another planet. I question every single one of these.

That's true. You do have to be suspicious. They're trying to make you say dumb shit, so that's a good point. Dylan Powell, what does that mean? Are you trying to tell me I suck cocks who's that does that mean I suck does that mean what is that a reference to the goonies what's happening what am I calling strong I think I said that Oracle of Oz Carolyn Benton uh Stephanie Smith KJ Chris Krupka uh Samantha Schlossberg, Lindsay Collette, Rebecca Pettit, John with no last name, Andy Nichols, Stephanie Schmolle, it's never going to happen is what that is. Jimmy's tongue and lips aren't going to make that sound work.

I'm sorry. Whatever those letters mean, that's her last name. He would like to say it, and he's thankful, though. Jack Murphy, Craig Cooper, Ellen the Red Dragon, Rachel with no last name, Tom Callahan, Big Tom Callahan. Hey, Big Tom. Matthias, Matthias Long, Nate Robinson, probably not, but another one. Daniel Beatty, Katrina Stratton, John Blair, Johnny E. Blair, Travis Luria, Jeff McNaught, T. Dolan, Chris Spall, Carla Walsh,

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We don't believe one person named Richard donates to us at all. So if your name's Richard, give us your middle name because we're not going to buy it. We're just not buying it. Sorry. And Johnson, how dare you? Yeah, that's not even true. I will never believe you. At least Smoker tried to put it in there. They tried to couch it.

If you weren't paying attention, you might have, you know. Ashley with no last name. Mel with no last name. Laura Skidmore. Chaos with no last name. Nica with no last name. That's a hard K. Child of the Corn.

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