Small Town Murder - #314 - Ladies Love A Vampire - Washington, North Carolina

Episode Date: September 8, 2022

This week, in Washington, North Carolina, a very strange scene unfolds, when a man who doesn't seem to have much going for him, except a vampire name, has many women at his disposal, including a wife, and a pair of identical twins. While he lives in a trailer with his wife, and a school bus, with his twins, this odd arrangement doesn't end up working for everyone, and it sends him into a rage. But who will be on who's side? And how does any of this result in bound, gagged people, and "skull plates" resting nearby. A twisted story, leading to a bloody mess, and an odd game of death penalty chicken!Along the way, we find out that breakfast is an important meal in the south, that having a vampire name doesn't make you an actual vampire, and when a pair of twins want blood, no one is stopping them!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Here we go. It is a comedy show. We're comedians. There's going to be terrible murder. We're going to make lots of jokes. Thing is, they don't really mix. You don't make no one. We don't. We're not like, oh, my God, they cut her head off. There's going to be terrible murder. We're going to make lots of jokes. The thing is, they don't really mix. You know, we're not like, oh, my God, they cut her head off. That's hilarious.

That's not the jokes. That's not what we're making jokes about. There's plenty of craziness going on around a murder. The thought of, hey, I bet we can do this and get away with it. No, you can't. Right there is pretty funny. If you're not very bright and don't have much resources and you're like, I'm going to do that. No, you can't. Right there. Things of that nature. nature but what we don't do we go out of our way not to

do is we don't make fun of the victim or the victim's family why james because we're assholes yeah but we're not scumbags that's how that works so if you think true crime and comedy should never go together maybe we're not for you but give give it a shot. Either way, no complaining later. There you go. There you go. For the rest of you, I think it's time to sit back, clear the lungs, everybody. Let's do this. And shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. All right.

Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah. Let's go. And we were in Montana last week for the full length episode. By the way, listen to Small Town murder express that comes out on friday nights just a shorter shorter crazier stories it's great so uh we're going to washington north carolina this week okay yes washington north i love when it's a state and city name in a place where you don't expect it that comes up all the time on our show like maryland illinois it's my favorite place well my favorite was i think nashville michigan that was one of the ones i really liked it's like that none of that's not doesn't go together at all so this is

all the way over in the eastern part of the state over in the coastal plains region so lots of you know beaches near there and all sorts no this is. But all sorts of panhandles happening over here. No, there is living in a school bus at one point in the story. Oh, Jesus. And not in an Instagram kind of a way either. No? Not like, oh, we spent $150,000 to renovate this thing into a house. Not that.

We're talking a school bus. It's got wood floors in here. Yeah, look at this. Here's the kid's room. What? It's a school bus. No. This wood floors in here. Yeah, look at this. Here's the kid's room. What? It's a school bus. No. This is different.

All sorts of panhandles everywhere. It's about four hours and ten minutes to Charlotte to go there. Two hours and ten minutes to the Raleigh-Durham area. Yeah. I mean, to get to the big cities, it takes a while. And almost four hours to get to our last episode, which was Mount Airy, North Carolina. Oh, yeah. That's our last episode there, which is airy north carolina that's the last episode

there which is all the way across the state in the upper northwestern corner this is in buford or beaufort county i don't know how you want to say it but either way is it b-e-a-u b-e-a-u fort it's probably beaufort right it's probably but you know what who knows that's what it is we we've heard so much somebody was like it's not pelaski it. We've heard somebody was like, it's not Pulaski, it's Pulaski. I'm like, no, it's not. We've all decided that's Pulaski. Sorry. So the motto here is they call it Little Washington or Original Washington.

That's to distinguish it from Washington, D.C. In case you get them mixed up, because that happens all the time, I'm sure. Who the hell's the Monuments? Yeah.C. In case you get them mixed up, because that happens all the time, I'm sure. Where the hell's the monuments? Yeah. No. That's crazy. Their motto, though, is pride in the past, faith in the future.

Yeah. I don't know any of that. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. It sounds like a bunch of nice placating sentiments. There you go. History. A lot of forgetting in there.

Yeah, a lot of forgetting and just hoping, I think, is part of that. Hoping and wishing and praying and, you know, just faithing and I don't know. It's the history of this town. The current location here was founded in the 1770s by a guy named James Bonner. His land was known as Forks of the Tar. Gross. Yeah, that sounds like not. I would change that before you put it up for sale.

You don't want that to be the sign outside when people pull up with a real estate agent. Forks in the Tar. I don't know about that. Let's keep looking. What do you say? I don't know. I like that one place.

What's the tar about there? I don't know. I don't know, to be honest with you. But it's all over the place, the tar stuff. Yeah, they're real proud of tar. Yeah, they're proud of it there. Yikes. The tar heels.

There you go. In 1776, it was renamed Washington because everybody was so in love with George Washington because he was fighting the British at that point. Yeah. It served as a supply port when other ports were under British siege. They used this as a major supply port as like a mid-range thing. During the Civil War, Washington fell to the north during the early part of the Civil War. So it just kind of stayed.

Nothing really happened there. It was just occupied during the Civil War pretty much for the entire length of the war. Really? Yeah. It had no real significance in the war because it was just a held commodity at that point. It was already held long before it really kicked off. That's it. It was like a Monopoly square that got bought in the first round.

And it was like, well, that's off the board. Yeah, look at that anymore. Washington took his own place. God damn it. Yeah. the board yeah yeah look at that anymore washington took his own place god damn it yeah uh but the federal forces set fire to the naval stores and uh you know all that sort of shit so it was left in ruins afterwards they rebuilt the town they rebuilt it and then by 1900 as a matter of fact september 3rd 1900 you know it's you know it's coming the whole town was burnt down yeah coal fire destroyed the entire town

as back then between like we always say between 1885 and 1915 98 of the country burned to the ground and was rebuilt it seems like this was a faulty stove made flames which consumed the entire business district of the city pretty much and um all of much of the play they had like these victorian commercial architecture built it was like pretty cool all part gone all because somebody wanted some fucking beans yeah gone you lazy shit with your terrible stove no good um they also had a big uh renovation project in the late 60s and um they put in parks and different highways and roads and trying to fix the joint up a little bit here. Sure.

We're still recovering from the fire 70 years earlier. Reviews of this town are favorite here of everything. I love it. Because like we say, these aren't our reviews. These are people's reviews. And the reviews are way more about the person who wrote them than about the thing that they're reviewing obviously so here's five stars love this town i have i have live here my whole life this must be text to speech it has to be or just super hammer or i've been here my whole life

man the whole thing it's a good place to retire to and raise your family at maybe it's not speech to text maybe it's just that's that's that's just someone who doesn't write well but either way um four stars there we go washington is an awesome historic little town there's great food in the downtown area when it's not on fire obviously um the waterfront is beautiful and the weather is too bad isn't is i think they were trying to say isn't too bad it is too bad it's too bad about that weather just is man i recommend checking the town out and if you happen to go out and explore you should check out the town of bath north North Carolina. It's about 20 minutes east of Washington. It's the oldest town and is where Blackbeard the Pirate would hang out. So there you go.

Go hang out there. Oh, that's right. Yeah, good. Three stars. The property here is pretty good. What? The property here is pretty good. What does that mean?

I don't know, and there's no punctuation, so this is all one sentence. Again, here we go. The property here is pretty good. There are some empty spaces, but they are beat down or anything there available to be occupied. That's exactly what they said. They are beat down or anything there available to be occupied. What in the fuck, man? I don't know what the fuck that means.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know if they're saying the property is good to own. I don't know. It goes up in value or it's cheap and abundant. I don't know what you're talking about exactly. Here's two stars now. Not so hot on the town. To all cyclists in the Washington, North Carolina area.

They have a particular bone to pick here. Beware of such morons on the road! Exclamation point. As an athlete, I've ridden thousands of miles in different parts of the world, but never experienced such hostility towards cyclists as here in Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C. For whatever sick reasons, these... This is great. Oh, it gets... This is weird. For whatever sick reasons, these drivers decide to throw an open soda can into my back.

They're pelting bikers with open soda cans. You could make somebody crash and kill themselves for Christ's sake. Maybe it's not a share row here, sir. Oh my God. Does it ever occur that such act could take a human life think before you decide to do anything like this how about don't do things like that don't throw things at people from moving vehicles how about that where else has he ridden he's never been to new york's i bet he's gotten hit with way worse than a soda in new york no one will throw anything

at a bike there they're used to. They might hit you with their car, but that'll be by accident. You didn't get out of the way fast enough. But no, no one cares. There's bikes everywhere. They're used to them. There they're like, what is that two-wheeled monster?

It's a two-wheeled demon from the hell fires. Throw soda cans at it. Hit them with your sun drop. Hit them with your can of sun drop. Do it. Jesus Christ. And please educate yourself and your young driver of possible consequences. Okay.

Whatever. People here, 9,487 population. That's pretty good. It's not bad. 54% female. So just way more females. Hell yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a good ratio town for you gentlemen out there. Not bad. 54% female. So just way more females. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's a good ratio town for you gentlemen out there. 41.6 is the median age, which is a couple of years older. Shitloads of kids. Zero to four years old. That demographic. Swelling. I mean, just pouring with kids.

Fertile town. Very fertile town. It's about 40% married, which is less than normal it's usually 50 50 single with children's usually 10 34 here yeah yeah lots of chicks and they're putting out you could party town party i mean they do have kids but i mean hey you can deal with that man that's all right i'm sure the bars have a room for them here if it's that much of an issue. I got kids too, babe. Yeah. I mean, who's discriminating?

So race in this town, 44.9% white, 41.7% black, and that's it pretty much. Oh, 12% Hispanic, but it's like 0.0% Asian. It's a couple of a little bit Hispanic and black and white. Got it. Southern town. So religion in this town, 55% religious, which is above average, which is not surprising here. And the number one religion here is it's Baptist. You betcha.

As we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South. They multiply and plenty of them them there so that's fine and uh for us and then they make more and then there's more yeah this in uh beaufort county 36.6 percent voted democratic last election 62.5 percent republican 0.9 independent and. And here, the unemployment rate is about average, but the income is low here. Median household income here is $31,574. Oh, no. Which is pretty damn low. It's over $20,000 less than the national average here.

Cost of living, $100,000 being regular average. Here, it's $84,000, so not that high. Yeah, housing, median home cost here 151 100 can you get beach houses which is low nah it's not going to be a beach house it's going to be this isn't like the on the beach town this is like the a little bit inland yeah it's it's the next town in got it but it's not a beachy area it's more it's weird. It's hard to explain. It's a lot of like, I don't know. It's not. There's no.

This isn't a beach house kind of a place that way. The median home cost would be way higher if there was anything that touched fucking ocean. I was just thinking about selling and moving right now. Yeah. I was going to say if that was the way it was working. But hey, if you're going to sell, we have for you, Jimmy, specifically the Washington, North Carolina Real Estate Report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for $704 a month, which is... Really?

You're not getting anything near water for that. No. That's low. Here is one. It's a three-bedroom, three-bath, 1,606-square-foot house. So that's a good little family house. Not little, even. Just a good family house.

It's called a, quote, investor opportunity in the listing. That's because it looks like it's about to implode on itself, I believe. That's what they mean by that it's a shithole there's paint there's paint peeling everything there's mold and shit that you can see it looks like the it looks like a good windstorm will pick chunks of the roof up and shit reap replace them in other towns five ten minutes away things like that not great uh hundred thousand dollars for that, though. So investor special is what that is.

Here is a three-bedroom, three-bath, 2,583-square-foot house. So this is a nice house, and this is put together. It looks very just kind of plain. There's nothing. Like if you were looking at a bunch of houses, you know how whenever your house or apartment shop and you'll go, oh, there's the one with that thing or the one with the living room or the one with that nice porch. This house, you'd go, which one is that again? It just kind of blends in.

Yeah, it just kind of blends in. It's not really that special, but it's a nice, clean family house. $369,000. Hey! It costs you a little bit. And here's a three bedroom four bath 5300 square foot house it has been built in 19 it was built in 1991 and it has not they haven't touched a thing not three bedrooms and 5 000 square feet 5 000 square feet wow this is built for some space to

yeah some living space yeah not bad but it's it needs a complete you know renovation eight hundred forty nine thousand dollars for that stuff five thousand square feet though you're gonna put some money into that thing though now things to do here of course oh boy this is fun the washington summer festival okay here we go it includes a street fair kids events rides free outdoor concerts fireworks and more jimmy and more want to find out what that more is what is the more here's the schedule of events here oh this is wonderful you got your food obviously amusements um collection of food for eagles wing i think it's a charity okay that's fine

fireworks display starting off with the 5K fun run, obviously. Let's all get sweaty for no fucking reason. At 8.30 in the morning. Oh, my God. The rest of the day is over for you. What day is this? On Saturday? A Saturday in June.

A Saturday in June in North Carolina. Let's get out there at 8.30, and then I'm going to walk around in my little shorts all day with chafed fucking nutsack. No, I don't think so. A sweat stripe from tailbone to nutsack. I was in the fun run as you're eating fucking barbecue. Yeah, we know. No. You're asshole sweaty.

We can see it. They have Little Washington Sailing School boat rides at the sailing school dock. All right. That seems fun. There's a kid zone with family activities. Latin dance partner lessons. Where the fuck did that come from in this whole thing? Does that fit in here at all?

That's really weird. Somebody's horny. What if there's Latin? I just like when girls shake their butts around. That's all it is. Let's do that. Collection of food. Again, a Latin dance partner.

All-you-can- ride amusements for 25 dollars not bad all you can write yeah but they're going to be put together by crackheads out in a field somewhere yeah but usually it's like six dollars a ride so all you can ride 25 bucks take your life in your own hands let's do it hey i mean not responsible for lost lost or stolen articles or if your child is launched into the next county. None of those things we're not responsible for by the fucking spin a wheel thing or tilt a shit, whatever it is.

Tilt a spin. There you go. There's a kids with a Z hip hop dance. Oh God. That's going to be great I feel like. Nice work. Follow that up with the ducky race for the united way all right that's for charity and then a latin jazz performance they're really into latin shit here

for a small town in north carolina finally music by deidre ruff ruff i don't know two f's two r yeah r u f f like a dog says i don't get it i don't know that's her name i don't know she sings or some shit she's doing she's got a two hour set though so she better jesus christ she better do something two fucking hours of this woman we've never heard of i don't she better start singing like some joan jett covers by the end of it and figure it out because there's going to be some time to film there's a lot of covering in there it has to be i would hope so you want two hours of original songs from someone you've never heard of from barbara ruff no at some point you're

like didra didra didra play bad company or something i don't know i'm just tired just play something i don't give a shit play fog hat fuck you so yeah um jesus christ then there is Dog hat. Fuck you. So, yeah. Jesus Christ. Then there is, very quickly, the Carnival of Darkness screenings and celebration. Oh, what is that? It's just a festival of, like, sci-fi and horror films around. It's in September. It's a lot of the Osborne shit.

It's just like horror. I think it's for like foreign indie horror films is essentially what it is. Then finally, NASCAR Day, the NASCAR Day Festival. They cover one mile of Main Street in this place, and it's all about NASCAR, NASCAR, NASCAR. I assume you can pet a NASCAR if you want. You know what's not there, James? Anything that has NASCAR's logo on it. It's just talking about NASCAR. Because NASCAR has no part of that.

That's branded. I think it's, but it's all capital letters, NASCAR Day Festival. I think this is okay. I think this is hooked up. Apparently, this is in Randleman, North Carolina, which is close by.

It's the hometown of Richard Petty. So apparently, they made a deal there. So either way, crime rate, what we're interested in in this town here, property crime, more than double. Wow. More than double. Yeah. I don't know if I hope Deidre Ruff has a calming voice and just makes everybody chill out. She's strapped.

She comes strapped. That's the other thing. She packs over the shoulder for this event. Deidre is rough. You know it uh violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is about 50 above the national average as well so dangerous this town is it's rough going man watch out it sounded like a nice beach town and now you're like i don't know about this nobody's got any money and everybody's

out to kill each other yeah that's why everyone you're you're and now you're like, I don't know about this. Right. Nobody's got any money, and everybody's out to kill each other. Yeah, that's why. I guess you're going to have to rob other poor people, which is never a great plan. That's awful. That's never a great plan. I always say, if you're going to rob people, rob people who have money. That's just logic. It's just pragmatism.

Why are you going to steal their beans and rice? They're just going to have to go steal more. That's not even a moral thing. That's just, hey just hey if you want shit you should go where the shit is probably not where steal steaks nothing is yeah not hamburger helper what's wrong with you so the let's let's talk about a murder when you say here jim let's do this um let's go back in time a bit a little bit here let's go back to 1990 okay oh yeah A little bit here. Let's go back to 1990. Okay. Oh, yeah. Let's picture 1990.

Yeah. Picture this in your head. MC Hammer's pants are so huge, a good breeze can take him floating into the air with his wonderful dance. Flying squirrel. Yeah. Vanilla Ice is considered a star. Think about that. Bricks shaved into his head.

People think both Millie and Vanillie are still singing. it's a crazy fucking time that's going on right now yeah it's a real weird time it's a transition time into another era and um here it is 1990 let's talk about a young lady shall we young lady she's about 27 in 1990 born in february of 63 okay so uh her name is yvette gay g-a-y yeah now um yvette and at 1990 when it comes around yvette's been involved with a guy for a few years now yeah about five years she's been dealing with this guy named Renwick Gibbs. Renwick? Renwick. They call him Ren. R-E-N-W-I-C-K. Yeah, Renwick is a lot to say. Unless you're a vampire, your name should be Renwick.

If you're a vampire, by all means, Renwick's a terrific vampire name. Anyone writing a vampire script right now, name one of them Renwick. It'll work wonderfully. If you're not in typo negative, you're going by you're going by fucking ren absolutely um she's been involved with ren for about five or six years yeah and uh they're deeply involved as we'll talk about this isn't like casual no there's children involved and shit oh but uh the problem with this is he's also had another relationship for about five, six years. Yeah, he's doing that thing. And that's a full-blown marriage.

Yeah. Oh, my. He got married while they were in a relationship, him and Yvette. Yeah. Renwick, Ren's a player. Let's just say Ren. How the fuck do you do that? Ren plays the field and does it. Ren's a player. Let's just say Ren. How the fuck do you do that? Ren plays the field and does it.

He's a vampire, I think. He must be a smooth motherfucker. And we'll talk about he's not even, he's not a bright man. No? No. Oh, God, no. He is, I would say the opposite, whatever that would be, of a bright man. I mean, well, let's look at it this way, shall we?

Let's talk about exactly. He has, wow. Oh, my. He has an IQ of, spin the roulette wheel here, 61. Jeez Louise. 61 is like. That's super low that's low that's just i mean forrest gump i always do the it's kind of the gump scale forrest gump was what 72 in the 71 10 points less than that and i'm not i feel anybody who's got low intelligence that sucks it's bad for that i feel bad yeah it's tough for you and i feel for you and everything this guy figured out how to get

married have children with her and have a chick on the side with other people oh where do you hear what he fucking sets up it's it's remarkable this guy i don't know he puts every point of that 61 to amazing use this guy you know they say he's like he's like a like a lenny dykstra when he played baseball like he's a small guy he doesn't have like a daryl strawberries talent but he'll run into the wall god damn it he's a go-getter yeah he's all effort you know he's one of the he's a he's interesting here i would say so he also wasn't very educated as well as his IQ of 61. They say and like I said, not making fun of anything, but they say like a smart dog is like a 45. I'm not kidding. I know you're not kidding.

So I'm just trying to put it in context of what 61 is in terms of he's got women that are willing to, you know, spend time with him and marry him, and then he's playing both of them. So you can be on the scale, not quote, not intelligent, but you can surely get, you know, he's pretty smart. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Not intelligent or not. He's pretty smart.

You know what I mean? Whatever that 61 is in is in applicable life skills. Yeah, exactly. I mean, he's using every bit of what he's got going on and he's not like nobody describes him as slow or anything either no one says like oh yeah renwick you gotta really explain things to him twice nobody ever says that it's he's fine um now renwick is like i said he's been married to a woman named well when he got married her name was anne farris yeah there's gonna be exactly there's gonna be a theme here i'm just finishing saying there's gonna be a theme of like one letter off from movie star names in this fucking in this show because it's multiple people and she didn't get famous for like another 10 years

that's what i'm saying this this is like a complete, I mean, we have Renwick the Vampire, number one. That's something. And then we have Anna Faris here, who's married to Anna Faris. And then later on, we're going to have a name that you're going to go, holy shit, that's hilarious. So here we go. Renwick, like I said, they were married, Ann and Renwick, on December 2nd, 1985. So this is in full swing of him in yvette's relationship right he marries ann ferris and ann ferris and we'll talk about yvette and where she comes from and everything too but ann ferris is like a nice girl with a good

background yeah she's got a nice family it's got like a good reputation very respectable family sure it's it's you know it's very strange like that she would be involved with an idiot like It's got a good reputation, very respectable family. Sure. It's very strange that she would be involved with an idiot like this. Her dad's like a real upstanding guy. Didn't beat her up. You know, anything like that. Mirrors the real life girl, too. It's very weird, isn't it?

Yeah, I was going to say. Come on. As I was saying, I was going right along with that. How is that possible? Isn't that strange? Well, at least he wasn't a vampire. Yeah. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment.

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It's very weird. And there's smart women who don't deserve that. Not deserve. They should fucking know better is the other thing, too. If you're a smart woman and you've got some guy with a 61 IQ making you fucking bring him money at some point you gotta go what am i doing right now what's going on you know what i mean yeah but love's a powerful shit man it's powerful yeah and um so anyway there are all sorts of problems right away for anne faris and uh and Mr. Renwick the vampire. Real problem. Number one is she, Anne knows about Yvette.

She knows about the relationship. Well, yeah, because he's not going to be able to keep these stories straight. He's going to eventually call her Yvette. Well, he just doesn't hide it. He doesn't give a fuck. Oh, by the way, Yvette and Anne work together also is another problem. This is insane. That's another issue.

They both work at the yarn factory. Oh, my God. Both the women he's bagging work at the yarn factory as well together. It's crazy. And he comes and shows up and sees different ones and hopes the other one doesn't see. It's insane. It's batshit, bro. It's nuts.

And he's got kids with Anne, too. Yeah, when they get married, she's pregnant. They already have a kid. It's bonkers. So she has a little girl. Anne does, his little girl there after they're married and everything like that. But he continues the relationship with Yvette like nothing happened. that um but he continues the relationship with yvette like nothing happened um renwick and ann live in a trailer together in choco winty hell yeah choco winty the there's a probably a straw

winty and a vanilla winty as well but this is the choco winty the whole town's called napalo winty oh that sounds choco winty that, that sounds delicious. What is that? What is that, like an eclair with extra chocolate? What are we talking about? It looks like it smells so nice. Oh, man, I want to eat it. I'll have two Napoleons and a Choco-winty, please. Yeah, give me two Choco-wintys.

I'm going to get one for her, too. She might like those. You really smell it when you enter a town like Disneyland. Oh, yeah. It's so sweet in here. It just smells like someone's shaving chocolate in front of your nose. What is that? What is that, chocolate? That's delicious.

Chocowinty. Chocowinty. So they live together in a mobile home there, Ren the Vampire and Anna Faris. And though several times over the marriage, through the late 80s, she leaves and moves back in and leaves and moves back in. It's very, very rocky. Absolutely. And he also owns he owns another trailer, too, which is a thing that we'll talk about. He's got another trailer that he owns.

So, yeah, she'll move into that sometimes and then she'll move back in. She'll move in with her parents. She'll come back in. Lots of separations. Most of them based on the fact that he drinks a lot, Ren. He's abusive. And he openly has affairs with, not even in affairs, openly has a full-blown other relationship. Right.

It's like, he's like a mob guy except mob guys hide that from their wife still. They still say they're going somewhere else when they're going out to bang their gumar they go oh yeah i'm going with the guys to a thing and you know this is like he's like he's like rosie o'donnell's boyfriend in the league of their own what's important is he's out of work he's ugly and he treats me bad that's exactly what he is yeah Yeah. I think he's, from what I've seen of him, he's kind of handsome, though. Really? That's the key to this. If he was ugly, none of this would be happening.

That's what I feel like. If he was ugly, none of these women would be giving him the time of day. Sure. He's a pretty handsome guy, and I think that is the thing that is going to be the nail in people's coffins here. So anyway, she leaves, she'll she leaves. She goes back. She leaves.

She goes back. She left him many times and would always return, though. That's the problem. One time she actually left the state to go live with her mother's sister in Virginia and said, I'm done with him. I'm moving. But he tracked her down in Virginia and brought her back. So of that pre-Google. That's what I mean.

He's using all of his resources, whatever he's got, he's using it to full advantage here. And he's like he'll show up at her job. He'll show up at her job where his girlfriend also works. Right. Think about this. At her job where his girlfriend also works, screaming and yelling about this. At her job where his girlfriend also works, screaming and yelling about,

I'm going to get you back, blah, blah, blah. Begging for her to come back. Until they ask him to leave, and then he'll come back like an hour later and pick Yvette up, just to pick her up from her shift. Imagine working at this place. You'd just be like, who is this guy?

My God, his penis must be amazing. Holy shit. Whatever he does, he's got to do something that's incredible has to he must just yeah i has he must have a tongue that's i don't know gotta be it that he could play beethoven with he has to because abc's in cursive no problem no no he got a piano he can play beethoven with that's how skilled he is it's it's long and it's strong is what i'm getting at it's gotta be fucking cherry stem i'll i'll

tie your ut your fallopian tubes in a fucking knot how you like that who wants tubes tied i'll do it with my tongue. That's right. Ren the tongue is coming for you. I got you covered, baby. The tongue tornado is coming for business here. So, yeah, this is obviously pretty ridiculous anyway. So there ends up this is all going on with her moving out, moving back in. And this goes on for years. This is all going on with her moving out, moving back in. And this goes on for years.

He threatened to harm her and her family if she would not come back to him. Also, I'll kill you. I'll kill your whole family if you don't come back to me. He tries charm and that doesn't work. And then he goes to threats. Straight violence. That's his usual MO over the course of all of this. She said that she thought if she left him that that would probably happen.

He'd probably come after her and kill her. That was what she kept saying. So anyway, she in 1990, though, she finally decides to leave him. She finally decides to leave him for good. And this time she doesn't just go to her parents' house. She goes to a shelter. Yeah. That that has legal protections, too.

So that way there's a- You can't find her. Also, there's an order against him and shit like that if she's there and she can do all of that stuff there. So she takes the kids, goes to a shelter for a little bit, and then she has her parents' house to go to once they just kind of regroup. And then they move in with her parents. Her father's name is Williamiam earl ferris senior and he's well respected cat like i said he's uh made some good money in his time and and provides

well for his family and um you know everything's going well for them basically he's telling me on like the first day of school the in the in the attendance book it says ferris will will yeah ferris comma will okay now that's fantastic i thought of that and i thought he was will ferris instead of will ferrell as well so and then there's another name coming up see there's there's ferris will and there's also will ferrell so that it all goes the greatest story of all time this is crazy and then there's Ferris Will and there's also Will Ferrell. So it all goes. This is the greatest story of all time. This is crazy. And then there's another name we're going to go, get the fuck out of here.

I'm telling you, it's all real. It's all real. Sometimes these sound made up. They're never made up. If I make anything up, I promise I'll tell you as soon as the joke's over. And I will never make you think something's true that's not. And this is true. So the family lived at 1403 John Small Avenue in Washington. the joke's over and i will never make you think something's true that's not and this is true so

the the family lived at 1403 john small avenue in washington and uh his he lived there with his wife louise who's 40 years old and uh their daughter they have a 16 year old daughter who is ann farris's younger sister named shamika and then he's got a son who's 13 william earl jr so there you go and william earl farris jr so again and he uh he works in greenville north carolina and commutes okay so like i said makes good money and everything like that in 1990 they had just moved into this house because in august of uh of 89 they lost everything they own in a fire oh god everything like it's 1812 they like it's yeah like it's 1900 in this town they lost it all they went on vacation they went on vacation in virginia and while they were there their house

caught on fire and they lost the entire house and literally everything they owned that wasn't that they weren't carrying to virginia was burned to a crisp gone what's worse would it be worse to like be in the house and then be woken up to the fire and you know what i mean i'd rather go off i think i'd rather be i'd rather have that i'd rather be there so i can at least grab yeah there's a couple things i'd have to grab there's a couple things i have a few things that are sentimental yeah maybe i'll grab a jar i'm gonna need something standing out there watching the house burn so on the way out i'll definitely grab a like an art whatever whatever i got room for after the at the end i'll grab a couple just so i can smoke while i'm watching the thing burn to the ground because I'll need it. I'd pay a million dollars to see a fire department's face seeing you hopping it out that house.

Wheeling my weed cart out there. For people who don't know, where some people have a bar cart in their house. Yeah, full of booze. I have a full weed cart that has jars of weed and concentrates. A bar cart with mason jars. They're labeled. It's very nice. It's classy.

You've got to say, it's pretty classy. And that's how I roll in my house. You're looking over your shoulder screaming, Benny, Frankie, Oscar, hurry! Kids! I got the weed, don't worry! Come on, guys. No, there's a couple things.

First of all, you've got to get the dogs out, obviously, but I assume they'd be with us anyway. They wouldn't be in the house alone, I know that much. But I have this thing that my grandfather had made for my grandmother in Japan in World War II. Picture this embroidered thing over there that she saved for fucking 75 years and gave to me before she died and was like, I'll keep this your grandfather made for me. I can't let that burn. What am I going to do with made for me so i can't let that burn what am i gonna do with that yeah i can't let this burn yeah yeah so now it's just i'm this thing i'm paranoid about let's keep it in this plastic bag i don't know what to do where's my plastic bag in my weed i gotta go give me the grandma thing and the thing here and oh

shit i gotta run go put on top of the bar cart fuck Fuck, throw it on top. Come on, Grandma, we're making an escape. Every time somebody asks me, how serious is James about weed? I say, you know how people have bar carts for alcohol? And they go, no. And I go, mason jars. Yeah. Oh, he's serious. Dead serious.

I'm serious like people are serious about wine. Like a sommelier is about wine. That's how I feel about weed. It's the smell. There's subtle nuances. And it's all there, man. It works for me. It's hilarious.

It works very well. It keeps me going so far. Now, Louise, she works assembling auto parts. William's wife here, Will Ferrell's wife here. She works assembling auto parts. Her son is a seventh grade student and her daughter is a sophomore in high school. So that's Anne's family. Good family, working parents.

They do well for themselves, whatever. So everybody describes them as very hard workers who, quote, go out of their way to help others. They're a nice family, the Farises. Their neighbor described them as outstanding neighbors. Wow. That's pretty cool. There you go. So they're great.

Now, like we said, at this time, she had – Anne had taken the kids away out of the shelter and moved into that house with her family. And her family said, stay as long as you want with the kids. We don't care. We love it. It's great to have everybody together again. They're happy. They're not even like, oh, shit, you got to get your own place soon, Anne. They're thrilled to have her home and away from Ren mostly.

Sure, sure. Because he's a fucking nudnik and they don't like him. He's a jerk. Yeah. They're like, you're smarter than that. This family is better than that. You don't need some 61 IQ alcoholic who beats you up and cheats on you. That's sure.

You don't need that. So now let's get back to Yvette. Okay. Now, Yvette, Yvette Gay, his girlfriend. She also has a sister named Doris Gay. That's what I tell you you were going to say. What the fuck is happening? Doris Gay and Ferris.

Ferris Will Will Ferris. This is crazy. What is a vampire named Renwick? What's happening? I need to see this all drawn up. I need to see Doris Day with anybody out there who draws. Please put this together and a vampire named Renwick. Just whatever you think that looks like.

Just to let her off. It's fucking weird, man. Now, Yvette and Doris are sisters. Not only are they sisters, they are identical twins. Wow. Yes. I understand we did a story a couple weeks ago about identical twins, and that was pretty crazy.

This couldn't be more different of a story, first of all. They don't have- Is Renhammer and both twins? We'll talk about it. Oh, my God. What? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yvette and Doris. Now, Yvette and Doris, they are twins, but they couldn't be- They're the exact opposite of the- Yeah, they're the bad guys. They're the exact opposite of the photo negative opposite of. No, no, no.

I'm just in terms of physical of our other guys. Other other guys were 350 pound, big bearded, fat male white twins. These are kind of petite women, black twins. So a complete different thing. Yeah. Opposite of, you know, physically than our last set of twins. And the whole story. They're nothing alike.

So don't think it's like a theme show now where we talk about twins all the time. Welcome to Small Town Murder Twins. Small Town Murder Twins, where we talk about the worst murderous twins in small towns. The show will be over in about three months. Enjoy. No. We have our four four shows under our belt and we're about ready to retire this is just a coincidence that this came up as twins again

because it's not a similar story now they're identical twins obviously they are their parents are ella and randy uh ella and randy gibbs and they are yes ella and randy fitzgerald. Yes, Ella and Randy Fitzgerald are their names. So they're pretty poor. They grow up poor, mainly because dad doesn't work and won't work and refuses to work. He says he has a heart condition and asthma, which he very well might have. We don't know. It's in the 60s. This is going on when they're kids because they're born in 62. But he says, that's what I got going on.

I'm not working. So mom works. Take care of me. Yeah. Ella goes out and works. She's a housekeeper. She's a cleaning lady. She goes out cleaning.

So she works hard, long hours to be able to support these kids. Because the twins come first. Then they're going to have four more kids. Holy shit. these kids because the twins come first then they're gonna have four more kids holy shit so she's gonna be supporting a family of six on a you know on our family of eight on a cleaning lady's pay and no nothing else in north carolina in the 60s and 70s this isn't we're not talking about you know she doesn't work at you know there's not fair wages probably this is this is tough going whatever we pay you we pay you that kind of thing yeah i mean there's not fair wages probably this is this is tough going whatever we pay you we pay you that kind of thing yeah i mean there's a minimum wage i know but still it's it's she's not getting a lot

of money i don't think is her own business or is she working for a company probably she's working she's working for people yeah she's working for people it's really difficult i mean she's making they're barely making ends meet like they're not making ends meet essentially so dad watches the twins while mom works and then as as more kids come dad stays home watches the kids and mom works that's how this goes problem is and this is especially with yvette and doris dad doesn't do shit with them he doesn't hang out with them he doesn't play with them he doesn't play games with them he doesn't do anything with them they sit wherever the hell they're sitting in the playpen or something while he watches tv and that's it he feeds them and that's you know bathes them and

shit and that's the extent of it though they don't get any there's no talking to hugging holding you know shit you have to do with little kids to do attachment stuff doesn't give a fuck about that at all emotional support nothing yeah nothing and they're not he doesn't like anybody also no neighbors are allowed no one's allowed to come see them basically he seems fun he's a lot of fun yeah he's a real he's a controlling fucking asshole this guy forces his wife to work and he's super controlling with the kids as we'll talk about he turns them into his little workforce it's really creepy so no one's allowed to come see the kids the grandparents the kids grandparents live on the street same street they're not allowed

to come over and see the kids what is that about we'll bring them to you if we want you to see him but you're not allowed to come over and see him because he doesn't want he doesn't want anybody over the house so what is he hiding he's hiding the fact that he doesn't feel like doing shit with the kids and he'd have to do something with the kids he likes to drink instead so it's a you know right they have different goals yeah but while he's doing this these two little girls and they're the only two at the time because they're the oldest they have nobody but each other so so that's how you bond nobody yeah if they weren twins, they would be insanely Velcroed together. But the fact that they're twins and have a weird connection anyway, and then you add in the fact that they're the only person that they interact with, they're really weird.

They get real fucking weird, Doris and Yvette, as far as being attached to each other. Like sort of creepy shit, as we'll talk about. It's very strange um he dad uses the six kids like a little army cleaning unit around the house around the house yeah they do everything imagine this house he's drinking kids are doing weird housework at too young of ages yeah there's four years old on a ladder cleaning the gutters yeah that's what i mean i'm just picturing like standing on a step stool yeah like you know sauteing chopping yeah changing a light bulb doing something doing some wiring little tiny legs sticking out from under the sink you know

what i mean just sweating the pipes dad yeah it's all a wrench comes out yeah twins doing creepy twin patty cake in the background and shit nothing's creepier than that but and i'm sorry like girl twins the shining has ruined it's old twins they're so creepy if you see a pair of little girl twins you go ha you think they're there to murder you or warn you of something ominous and then the great outdoors happened to give it a little extra a little over the edge too yeah yeah they were just kind of weird but they weren't like the shining twins were like they weren't even they were like otherworldly you know what i mean they had blood flowed behind them and shit they were super creepy so girls is over it's tough man it's a tough to be a twin girl and not

be creepy so uh the kids are only allowed by the way and this is yvette and doris included they are only allowed to go to school and come home that's it that's it no friends yeah no nothing if friends come over hey are you betting doors here they can't come out. Slam. That's it. They're cleaning. They do the housework, which with six kids, there's a lot of housework, especially if one adult doesn't have time for it and the other one refuses to do it. So it's a lot. So they do that. They don't fit in.

Surprisingly, the vet and Doris don't fit in real well in school. Yeah. Weird, right? Weirdly unadjusted. Is that the word? Yeah. They didn't not fit. Nobody made fun of them they weren't like outwardly weird they just blended into the background and were only pretty much hung out with each other and talked to each other did everything together

everyone said they had like a they would like give each other they would just look at each other with no facial expressions and then they'd both get up at the same time and leave, like shit like that. They didn't hear creepy. Don't like that. Yeah, which they just got stuck in a playpen together at a young age and developed some kind of- Just look at each other, blank faces, and then they make movements?

No! Some kind of creepy scanners, twin fucking- What'd you just tell her and how? Radio shit, yeah. How did you do that, little girl? Got heranners twin fucking radio shit. Yeah. How did you do that, little girl? Got her by the fucking lapels. I will punch you if you don't tell me how that happened.

They have, at that time, everybody says they have no individual personalities either. They're just, you can't tell them apart, essentially. They act the same way. They always act the same way. Only like each other. Unlike the Tennessee twins who had very different personalities as we talked about. So they ended up doing the same thing but it was very different personalities. Now as they get older Yvette starts to be the one who's slightly more outgoing and dominant and Doris becomes the follower because there's always going to be an alpha in the twin game yeah and she's the one who if there's a they'll try to make a decision

together if no one can make a decision whatever yvette says doris will fucking go along with that's how it ends up being whereas the other ones the other twins were one was a wild lunatic and the other was kind of a mild mannered guy like it's it's different um they never got in trouble at all mind you this is nothing like them either they didn't do anything bad they didn't get in trouble they did their work they did their school work they came home and they did housework and that was it so they just kept to themselves and were considered a bit weird so um by 1979 okay this is fucking insane. This is crazy. Mom, Ella, she has to sign up for welfare. They're not making ends meet with six kids.

As the kids get older, they all need more stuff, and they can't do it. Weirdly, 16-year-old things cost more than four-year-old things. Isn't that strange? They eat more food. It's almost like they need real-life things. Isn't that strange? They eat more food. Yeah. It's almost like they need real life things. It's strange. And as you're adult, it costs more than a five-year-old too. It's weird.

So what she did was to get a few extra dollars, she put that she didn't work on a welfare form. Meanwhile, she was busting her ass as a housekeeper too, just making nothing and was trying to make a little bit extra to make ends meet. So she lied on the welfare form and said that she didn't work. Well, she got caught and arrested and sentenced to five years in prison. Oh, dear Lord. The sole breadwinner of a family of six. Family of eight.

I mean, six children. Yeah. Yeah, family of eight, but six children. Whoa. And they sentenced her to five years in prison. I suppose the opposite view of that is, well, then if she's that important to the family, she should know better or some shit like that.

But when you have nothing, what are you going to do? When you're trying to get your kids food right like a lot of people will you know steal or rob or do things like that and she made a fucking paperwork you know checked a different box on some paperwork i just think that that's i mean i get that there's laws and shit like that but that's one of those things where you're like you'd think you'd sit a judge would look at that and go hey i got an idea how about we try to find her a better job how's that we help her out yeah anybody here looking for a secretary or whatever just somebody who makes more than a cleaning woman to anybody looking for because it's the 70s whatever who anybody because maybe

that would help that way you don't have to do this that would be instead five years in prison gone so now the where's the money coming from yeah now they're fucked they have nothing at this point so um they're totally screwed so you expect of course now dad's gotta you know tighten up the belt and go out there and do some job interviews no no no no nothing. No, didn't do shit. Made the girls who were 17 at that time. Go get jobs. Both get part-time jobs after school and they added that up together and tried to scrounge by on that. Oh dear God, no.

Yeah, that's what they're doing. What did you make at 17 years old? Bring home pay. Minimum wage. Every two weeks, James, $212. It was minimum fucking wage yeah so at the time which was like five fucking 520 an hour 525 an hour times 40 a week that's 200 take taxes out of that in a week and that was then 1979 minimum wage was way less than five dollars to this we're talking

i'm talking you know the late 90s when me and you were just talking about not 212 dollars every two weeks working my balls off yeah that's what you're getting so i guess times two yeah because they both do it um they and at this point they're yvette and doris only function as a team yeah they have no individual friends no individual activities they they when they even apply for a job it's we're applying for a job here not it's like stepbrothers yeah not can you use one of us it's we you know both of us are nothing so they get part they first of all they take over the mom role now they take care of the kids they do all the mom shit with the kids and they get part-time jobs as not like at the mall they're not working at fucking you know wetzels pretzels at the mall or something

screwing around with their friends seeing if the seeing if the boy they like from school is going to come in today they're working as crab pickers what do you know what a crab picker is jimmy like she's they're pulling them out of the traps? No, no, no, no, no. They come in. Oh, no way. They are in a crab factory. Pulling meat out of shells.

Out of shells. Wow. So they can be canned and processed in whatever other way. That's what they're doing. That's got to be so hard. That is a terrible job. That's a really brutal fucking job. It's tough. You got to wear like those steel gloves right so

the shells don't cut you and shit like that i would assume yeah you'd have to because you're you're constantly picking crap that's all you're doing so you'd have to have the gloves and you'd have to have a knife of some sort you stink afterwards and that shit seeps into your pores and oh my god that's a rough job that's really tough job. And that's what they do after school. Okay. I thought this was like they're on a boat. No, no. They're out crabbing.

They're hanging off the fucking end of the boat. No, no, no, none of that. It's worse. They're wearing hairnets, picking crabs. Oh, Jesus. In a factory. In a stink factory. Imagine what that place smells like.

That's got to be wild. So just old crab shells everywhere. It's nasty. So anyway, as they're doing this, now once they get out of school the next year, they go full time at the crab factory. Holy shit. They both work there. They both go full time. The family gets more money and they get even weirder if that's possible

yeah i don't know how somehow they get weirder um they make like the time they'll do things like everybody says they make the same gestures at the same time no they'll say it's like a mirror it's like you know remember in a cartoon where somebody would pretend like they weren't in somebody's room so they mirror their emotions you know what mean? That's what they do. Yeah. They both say things and move at the same time because they've never been apart. They spend every second of the day together since they were babies, and they just have this weird. They're the same person.

They don't have any. They need to write a comedy and get on the road and make the Sklar brothers have some competition. I was going to say, start talking about old sports. Ladies, start talking about old sports. I think you'll kill them. There's a market, I promise. You'll crush them, I'm telling you. They're funny, but I think you can pull this off.

You guys have really been weirder much longer than them, and they're nice guys. They're great guys. Anyway, they're doing all this. They're playing like the mom. They're doing all this they're they're playing like the mom they're doing all this shit about when they're about 20 years old comes around their full-time mom and everything like that ella gets out of jail mom gets out of jail after three years yeah they made her do three years for that hard time in prison for no i don't work what'd you do i got got an extra $110 a month for my kids while I worked my balls off. What are you in for?

Insurance. Oh, man. I got it. Well, it sucks because people would talk shit about people. A lot of people would talk shit about people on welfare, that they're lazy and they're lazy. She was not lazy enough. That was the problem. If she was lazy, she wouldn't have been in prison.

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Maybe I can make $900 a month. Yeah. Let's punish hard work i feel like we should probably do that what have you been working to support your kids you bitch to jail with you like what the menial job you do doesn't pay your bills so you took some government assistance to to jail with you to jail with you yes you're, your children need you to eat? I'm sorry. That's crazy, man. I don't know.

That's insane. We got to figure that out. That's crazy. Hopefully, that's not a thing that would happen. I don't know. It's the 70s, so I don't know what's going on. It's a thing that'll happen. So she gets home and expects the whole family to be happy to see her.

And the little kids are happy to see her. And the husband, I suppose, is happy to see her. Who little kids are happy to see her and the husband i suppose is happy to see her who knows with him uh but the twins they won't even she goes to hug them and she won't they won't even hug her back they want no nothing to do with it they're mad she's home why because they're gonna now she's gonna take over what they're they've been doing no no no place us i'm the mom now that's what they say yeah we're the we do all this shit we cook we fucking clean we take care of the kids we work you we don't need you basically that's their whole thing what a crazy fucking approach to this how about you get a vacation now no no no they're like you're you're a mom's a bitch like they'll take her food and

throw it in the garbage when she cooks it and tell her they don't want to eat it and you don't know what you're doing we'll cook and they really fuck with their mom and the dad takes their side like well i don't know maybe you should be better like he doesn't intervene at all because they do whatever he wants so what is happening yeah ella just ends up they just shunt her off to the side and ella just takes it because she has no choice basically she they won't give in and there's two of them and they're really aggressive and they just i did time for you yeah what do you think i was doing that for it wasn't like she was out you know hijacking trucks fucking around having a good time or something she they she was being a cleaning lady getting a couple hundred dollars in welfare payments so they could all eat.

She wasn't running a Ponzi scheme to buy a yacht and leave the family. She's trying to take care of all of you. That's insane. Evidently illegally. To the point of risking her own ass. But they don't see it that way, basically. They see it as, you know, we don't need you. So what mom does is she just gets, she keeps working and she takes extra hours and just basically is at home as little as possible. She works as much as she can so she's not home because it's weird there.

What a terrible life they have given her. That poor woman, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I feel bad for her. Truly. Now, in the late 80s is the first time that they're ever do anything separately ever yvette gets a different job it's a better job yeah and they separate is it the yarn factory there you go jimmy i was gonna say i think you know where it is it's the art factory she's done grabbing now she's making yarn okay so um yeah this is the first time they're not together yeah so imagine the separation weirdness with that

job of not always having your twin within grabbing range so one day yvette is coming out after a shift and all of a sudden some some young man starts chatting her up yeah he's like a year younger than them too they're all the same age this isn't some weird old man or anything they're all in their 20s here he starts chatting her up what's up with you girl what's going on blah blah blah i'm a fuck i got a fucking vampire name baby you should see what i can do hair on her neck is up yeah and she's like well shit you know he comes on strong too, well, shit, you know, he comes on strong, too. And she digs him, you know, and he's just like dad. He's a pushy, alcoholic, fucking abusive asshole, lazy motherfucker. So she's like, hey, loves him.

Right. So now so they start hanging out. And by the way, she's fully aware that he was there to pick up his wife from fucking work so that's how they met was he was already with ann and then he meets yvette at the factory so he just starts fucking them both he marries ann in 85 and just keeps going you know keeps keeps doing this shit i'm shocked that's some balls man the amount of balls on some many of these people in this yeah between the names and the ball sacks on these people i'm blown away by this shit the fact that every character in the story the fact that these lives parallel each other in the same

location is staggering and they they actually intersect at some point overlap there's no reason for this no this is bonkers these are two separate insane stories that somehow are one i don't know what's going on renwick the vampire and the evil twins are somehow the creepy shining twins so after a bit of this um not too long doris starts hanging out with them as well oh my god and they just hang out as a three-person couple, basically. As a throuple, yeah. Doris and Yvette act as one person, and then he's the guy, and that's his other relationship,

along with he's got his wife and kids at home. He's got a throuple with twins, which is, I mean, that's weird and gross. That's definitely a little creepy. Regardless of their weird personalities together it's still fucking weird but the thing is we don't think he really no one thinks he fucks yvette or he fucks doris though he fucks yvette they have they they take completely separate roles in the relationship they are they are one personality split in two. Doris is the housewife. She likes to nurture and cook and is more of the friend.

He has deep conversations with Doris. She's more open to that, whereas Yvette's more the alpha and a little more aggressive and the one that fucks like a maniac. Yeah. Does Doris just sit in the corner and say the dirty things? No, no. Yeah, she's like you should do that yeah she throws her voice put your finger in my asshole she just throws her voice no no it's it's it's that's the separate roles so basically yeah he's got like these two she's the

she he's got the nice girl and the bad girl and they're identical and they're both in the same fucking house together and they're separate people it's just it's the weirdest shit in the world i don't know what's happening it's two sides of two sides of a personality yeah yeah someone needs to write this book here so now remember he's also married with kids while this is going on so he's got a lot going on boy does, does he. Imagine this. You're banging. This is. I can't get over your name's Renwick. Never mind that.

Now you're banging all these people. Your wife's Anna Farish. You got Doris Gay over here. This is so weird. The whole thing's weird. It's so strange. So they get angry at him that he's. You're always spending time at your house.

Why are you always with your family? With your family. They're like, stop doing that shit. So what Yvette does is she stops all of her birth control and tries to get pregnant and achieves this. Yeah. So then she can, because he was like, well, I got a family. I got kids. So now he's like, she's like, well, if that's what's what it takes then fine now you have a kid here too so why are you

going over there you know trying to make an even thing so they have a little girl as well and um yvette and doris by the way this is the craziest part of all yvette and doris and soon to be their little girl yeah live in a trailer owned by renwick and ann oh boy so and she knows it she knows about it it's not like she doesn't know she knows they live there she knows that's who he's fucking yeah and he's just got these two separate places he goes where he's got the twins and he's got his family it's the weirdest arrangement i've ever heard of in my life 61 iq 61 this guy keep that in mind the fucking game this guy has is amazing i want to be impressed by the by what he's accomplished but it sounds so exhausting for somebody you know what i mean for somebody that that is that's limited in capacity upstairs that's incredible that's the thing it's amazing that he's limited in capacity and can do

this but at the same time it shows that he's limited in capacity that he would want this yeah you know what i mean this is very dumb it would be hard to do this and you think you need to be smart to do it but you'd need to be smart to go that sounds terrible i'm not doing any of that that's fucking crazy my wife's gonna freak out i'm gonna be arguing with her all the time i'm arguing with two people over here that look exactly alike and work together that's not gonna be fun i argue with everybody because everybody every all day people are telling me that's not how that is done nope no matter what i'm doing no matter what they're always just like no hey you're doing it wrong stop self-checkout is a motherfucker it's gonna catch on fire he hears that a lot too you're gonna set it on fire he's like i don't even know why he doesn't know a lot of things

this is what's happening with these peoples i don't even know what's going on so it's it's crazy so anyway yvette gets pregnant again yeah and has a boy now as well so the twins and the boy and the girl live in the one trailer and he lives in the other trailer with his wife and goes back and forth so that's that's the setup here now um and finally by 80 or by 1990 and who's known about all this for years finally tells renwick you got to kick them out of the trailer. This is ridiculous. Yeah, this is too much. You can't keep a spare family in the backyard.

I can't deal with it. This is so weird. You have like a whole weird cult thing going on back there that I don't want any part of. So he does. He kicks her out. He kicks them out with two babies but he does feel like he needs to find them a place to live because those are his kids and you know whatever responsibility there yeah so what he does is he moves them into an old school bus that he buys what he buys a

broken down school bus and moves them into it moves the children imagine and north carolina yeah imagine the summer dating brings you that you know you can't be in the trailer but he's like listen baby we're gonna i'm gonna find you to a place to live i don't care no you and the kids no no you're the most important i know but she's just making a scene it's fine i'm gonna find us a place to live and then then he honk, honk. He fucking pulls up. What the fuck? Is that a blooper?

He stops. He fucking, that big wheel and the stop sign comes out and the door opens and he's like, huh, ladies? Are you taking us to the place in this? What is this? Are you going to pull this in front of our house and then pull it away to reveal it? Is that what you're going to do? Like a reality show? what's going on here and he says no no no no no this is you're going to

live in here what this is this is where you're going to live here this is we're going to live in the thing that they transport prisoners in yeah it's great you're going to love it you're going to love it it's it's terrific oh god a lot of gum under the seats though this thing wasn't used recently little kids they love to put gum under seats watch your thighs on the vinyl like i said this isn't instagram like people go oh that's cool you can really cook that up it's about no that's just some bullshit people do to get you to like their fucking page you can't actually live in a fucking bus that's the problem no it looks cool front pictures and shit like that but go in their life they're uncomfortable as shit they're really uncomfortable they really really are they're not

comfortable people their knees want to be straight so bad that's what i mean it'd be fine to do for a week it'd be fun and adventure even if you take it's the whole summer we're gonna tour the whatever if that's what you're into great up to montana for a weekend yeah go see mount rushmore but fucking to live in it really no not okay especially with two small children that's crazy that's crazy it's why bands fucking hate the road yeah and those are nice tour buses beautiful they have beds and rooms this is a school bus. That's all this is. This is like somebody was using this in junior high,

and then they took it out of commission because it was too expensive to fix, and then this guy had it towed to a lot instead of living it. So, yeah, the twins here are like, we need to get Anne out of this situation because we can't have her. This is all her fault that we're living in a bus now. So, but while they're thinking that, Anne takes their, what they want, you know,

and does it anyway, not knowing that's what they want. That's when she leaves him for good, was right about that time where they were pissed off living in a school bus. She leaves him for good, ends up at the shelter, then her parents house right where we started okay all right now renwick he goes back and forth between the bus and his trailer why he didn't say why don't you all move into the trailer with me i have no idea but i got an idea

it sounds like they're a fucking nightmare there maybe i don't know what it is but or hey you guys take the kids and live in my trailer i'll live in the school bus yeah if you want solitude but he's like bye ladies and fucking closes that school bus door snaps shut behind him and he goes home and sleeps in a bed so um and he wants he wants ann back too this whole time. He's still trying to get her back. He's dealing with these two and he's trying to get her back. He's showing up at her at the job all the time at the yarn factory yelling at her and shit. You're going to you know you'll love me again.

God damn it. Love me. So here's a local person here. They say he said quote he's been staying with them talking about the twins in an old yellow bus registered in his name way back down a road in some woods. Gross. They set up house in it with a place to cook, an electric generator, and an outhouse in the back. Okay.

So, yeah, they have a generator and like a, you know, a hot plate. Yeah. A generator and a hot plate and a, and a shit house out back. That's there. It's not a way to live. That's not with children. No,

it's small children. That's great. That's a way to camp for a little while or a week. Or if you're, if you're a fucking hippie or if you're 20 and you feel like whatever, enjoy. But if you have children for Christ's sake, yeah,

enjoy. Knock yourself out. Woodstock 99 was 10 times worse than this. We get that. But this, that documentary is fucked. It's a mess, man. Jesus Christ. You just see that and you go, oh, a lot of, our society is making more and more sense

every day when you watch Woodstock 99. You're like, they were that age then and now I get it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why people are assholes're like, they were that age then, and now I get it. Okay. That's why people are assholes now, because they were assholes then. Every generation has that festival. Yeah, Altamont. That's a disaster. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You had Woodstock, then Woodstock 99, then you got Fyre Festival. Every generation has that piece. The hippies had Altamont. They had the Hells Angels killing people, and then, yeah, we had Woodstock 99. Yeah, there was also the other Woodstock, the original, that was people. And then, yeah, we had Woodstock 99. Yeah. There was also the other Woodstock, the original, that was a piece of shit, too. But people loved that, though. That wasn't a disaster.

It was still a mess. Still mud and shit. Oh, they're outside in the summer. Yeah. But people enjoyed it because they weren't being charged $4 for a bottle of water when it was 97 degrees. And having all their water taken away from them yeah they original woodstock once they knocked the fences down they said fuck it just let people in they said just let them in fuck it they said just make it a party at this point it'll be cool advertisement the movie will look cool yeah they were filming a

movie they were like the movie will look fucking cool with all those people there and it did so 99 was not good no that was a a corporate mess in an air force base that was a weird we are we are about 10 years away from the next one oh jesus it's gonna happen again let's not let's just not it'll be inside of a volcano we dare it to erupt it's erupt fest 95 2095 it's gonna be it's gonna be one of the fucking Burning Man shows or Coachella, but one of them is going to burn down and it's going to be a fucking bloodbath. It's going to be. We had Fyre Festival, so that should keep us going for about 20 years. It's going to be that one that, rolling loud, that's the one that's going to fucking melt down.

Because it constantly is. Every time there's a fucking problem. Didn't they just have the one problem the one was it like last year when somebody got trampled to death yeah so that's happened and it happened again just recently they just did it somewhere else every time the festival stop with the festivals stop yeah it's too many people to cram into a place yeah stop see your go see individual band no more compilation concerts i understand it's nice to see them all at once. 40,000 people at a time in a theater. It's fine.

Stop it. We don't need this madness. It's too much. So now Renwick has a plan. Now let's talk about May 29th, 1990 when kind of everything comes to a head here. He shows up at the bus this day. Yeah. Ladies.

He pulls on up. Hey. And he pulls a dog out of the bus this day. Yeah. Ladies, he pulls on up. Hey. And he pulls a dog out of the car. Uh-huh. It's Ann's brother's dog. Oh. Okay. I guess it lives at the parents' house.

Now, Ann's parents' house. He stole it from her parents' house for some reason. He stole that from the seventh grader? He stole the dog from, yeah. He stole the dog from, yeah, exactly. The child. The kid's dog. Yeah. He stole the family dog from the parents' house he stole the dog from yeah he stole the dog from yeah exactly the kid's dog yeah he stole the family dog from the parents house is what he did so as he does this he pulls it out of the car and begins beating the dog oh my god so the dog bites him yeah which to be expected yeah what do you want don't beat a dog and it won't bite you usually. Get him again, little buddy. So, well, the dog knows that he's overmatched here.

He bit him to get him to stop hitting him and then the dog ran away. Attaboy. So as the dog's running away, he takes his rifle, Renwick does, and starts shooting shots at the dog. He's a terrible shot. He's a moron and an alcoholic and I'm sure he's got shaky hands and everything else. So the dog escapes and runs off into the hills, and they can't find him.

So there you go. The dog escapes. The dog escapes. In our minds, the dog went off, and he did. He found like a, there was like a little cabin, a little ring of smoke coming out of the chimney, and he looked inside, and it was a wonderful family, and they were eating breakfast together,

and he scratched on the door a little, and a little tiny boy, little round-faced cherub boy he scratched on the door a little and a little tiny boy little round-faced cherub boy came to the front door and he opened and he said mom dad a puppy and then he the dog jumped up and licked him in the face and they took him inside and they set the dog a place at the table and he had some jimmy dean sausages we could keep him you bet we can and that dog remembered all his best tricks and he performed he performed timmy you're gonna keep him never mind can you keep him you're gonna that's your boy that's what happened to the dog let's just say so this gives you an idea of renwick's character

right away he kidnaps a child's dog so he could try to beat it to death and when he can't do that he tries to shoot it so it ran ran off. And it runs off. Yeah. This is while he makes human beings with children live in a bus when he has other options available. And watch this. Yeah, this was in front of the women. They didn't give a shit.

So now, and that day, his wife, Ann Farris, she worked the midnight to 8 a.m. shift at the National Spinning, which is the yarn factory. That's her life, man. Now, she mostly uses her dad's car. It's a blue 1982 Pontiac station wagon. But on this day, she's driving his red Ford Falcon. All right.

Yeah, there you go. I was going to say, she's got a sweet little ride here. So around 11.30 p.m., she drove the Falcon to her parents' house and her father drove her to work in the Pontiac wagon. That's how it works. She was doing shit out there, out in the world before that. Now, after she had been at work for about 10 minutes, 10 minutes, she's there, just got there, just punched in. I don't even know if she's made a foot of yarn yet. I have no idea.

I don't know if they do that by hand or how that works, but it seems like a lot of work making yarn. It feels like she's got two hands busy and she's kicking a wheel. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's like a sewing thing. There's a loom involved of some kind. Yeah. And something's spinning that's taking all that yarn as she fucking works that wheel. Yeah, I went to a historical house on a field trip when I was a kid and they had a loom.

And I feel like picture that that but a little mechanical maybe. I don't know. A gear or two in it. So she said that she told her supervisor, I mean she says to her supervisor that she's afraid of him. But for some reason they wouldn't keep him out of the plant. I'm afraid of that guy. Give him a chance. I'm a longtime employee. i've been here for almost

a decade yeah my husband's beats me and is terrified and i'm terrified of him and i've left him because of his violence and his abusive ways yeah please don't let him show up to my job and harass him i don't know we gotta let him in you can't keep what if he's gonna apply for a job we don't know you can't keep him out we We got openings. He might have stuff to say. And we're looking for people in the yarning division. We need it. So they wouldn't keep him out. Ann told him, I don't want to talk to you.

Why don't you go back to Yvette, your new wife, is what she says. Go back. She's your new wife. And that made him all sorts of pissed off, too. Don't tell me what to do and all that kind of shit. So in the past, he would get angry at this sort of thing and sometimes physically assault her or threaten her and things like that. But today, he was just calm about it. He was just chill.

He was like, all right, all right, that's it. And then her supervisor, because it was a loud argument and was distracting from the yarn making. Yeah. Her supervisor asked him to leave at that point. So why don't you take off and cool down and all that sort of shit. So he said, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, I should take off. And he left very calmly. Okay. He says that he last saw her around midnight that night is when he left, because it was right after she got there.

He left the National Spinning Company there and spent the night at the converted school bus with the with the gay twins so on the morning the next morning of the 30th doris uh woke him up because she needed a ride to work give me a ride motherfucker so he took her to work at about 7 30 a.m then he went over to his sister's house. She'll come up in this too. To his sister Alice. And then he went back to the bus. So I dropped her off, talked to Alice, went back to the bus.

He tells Yvette he's going back to the national spinning here to see Ann. So he left the bus again about 755 a.m. But when he gets to the national spinning and only works till 8 so she's gone and he knew that so yeah he missed her he thought maybe he'd catch her coming out so she already left he comes back for to the bus all right he lays down for a while takes a little rest you know a long day for for old ren he takes a rest then he wakes up and he's like i'm gonna go back to my house so he goes to the trailer and chaco Winty there or Winnity Chaco Winnity, where he persuades. He talks to his sister, Deborah, and persuades Deborah to go to Washington with him.

Not D.C., Washington, North Carolina. Come with me. So his sister, Deborah Blunt, which is a great name. me so his sister deborah blunt which is a great name yeah um deborah blunt she lived uh she lived in a trailer park in chaco winty is a winnity as well um and uh she by the way at this point she had been keeping he and yvette's two children at her house while they lived on the bus so better than having the kids on the bus. So she lived there. He lived near her in the trailer.

That's where their trailers were in the same park. So around 930 a.m. on May 30th, which is that next morning, she saw him there. She said he seemed nervous and in a hurry at that point, which doesn't make any sense because he had just laid down for a while and then drove over there. which doesn't make any sense because he had just laid down for a while and then drove over there. So he said that he was asking her to help him persuade Ann to come back to him. She said, you know, in the past, you've helped me before. You've helped talk her into it.

Help me get her back. So Deborah and he drive to Washington where she needed to do some errands and whatever. They were hanging out together. About 11.30 a.m., Renwick meets Debra again at their uncle has a store. So they meet up. They're at the store at about 11.30 a.m. He, at that point, Renwick was laughing and joking with some people in the store, just being normal. He bought an artificial rose for ann you know this little by the counter artificial roses he yeah a little silk whatever they are he wanted deborah to go with him

to the ferris's house the parents house where ann is staying and talk to ann come with me and help me talk to ann it'll look it'll look less like confrontational if you're there too you'll soften the whole thing you'll soften the edges of the whole thing. So they arrive at the house, and Debra knocks on the door. No one answers. So she's like, I don't know what the fuck you want from me. He sent her up to knock on the door, first of all. Nobody's here. Let's go.

Nobody's here. She walks back toward the car. He said, did you look in the window? Did you see if they're in there? What's going on? And she said she didn't. So he went, God damn it whatever so he got out uh goes under the carport on the west side of the house and deborah starts to follow behind him and he stops in his tracks turns and comes running past her runs back toward her and runs past her blows right by her he begins screaming and throwing himself on the ground

and like pulling at his face and hair and screaming and acting like like he's on fire but you can't see flames right so she's like what the fuck are you doing bro like what's going on man and uh she said she was frightened and wanted to run away but she said holy shit what the fuck so she went under the carport to a side door and started calling out for an started saying and and and she opened the door uh when she opened the door she looked down the hallway and saw a woman's pocketbook on the floor. Yeah. And in the hallway, she went down the hallway toward that, and when she was going down the hallway, she turned and in one room looked

and saw William Earl Ferris Jr. Oh, no. The boy lying on the floor and another head to one side of him, so somebody else there, too. So she turned tail and broke the fuck out of the house obviously she ran yeah she ran out of the house ran past her brother wailing in the front yard fake frying fucking ripping his literally ripping his beard out and shit like going crazy

and she ran on foot didn't even get in the car ran to the florist shop which was nearby and said please please call the cops people holy shit oh my god you know what i mean so there's fake on fire and there's people real dead when she got back to the house he's still screaming and wailing and pulling it it's been 15 minutes now right what's to it? No one is that grief stricken. Get it together. For 15 straight minutes. It just doesn't happen. You go into a thing where you finally go, and then you're fucking set.

And you might go back to it in another five minutes, but it's not a full on straight through thing. Also, what's he freaking out about? What did he see? From the front door, he didn't really see anything, right? Yeah, absolutely. He saw a pocketbook. Yeah. He just saw a pocketbook. from the front door he didn't really see anything right yeah absolutely you'd hyperventilate yeah he just saw a pocketbook well apparently um uh so she did all of that now the police arrive and uh first people on the scene are uh david sparrow as an officer and detective marianne buck

and of the washington police department marianne buck She sounds like she's going to get the truth out of you. That's what it sounds like. Of the Buckknife clan. So she said that, or Sparrow testified later on, that he noticed that a window in the door under the carport was broken, one of those little glass panes in the door. So in a bedroom, they find two bodies lying face down and another leaning against a bed leaning against a bed a body yeah they when the when they personnel arrives they check the bodies

and then the area obviously to make sure they're dead and they don't need medical assistance and they are dead um so we got to find out who it is because there's three dead bodies in here and we don't know who they are yet so So they summon a special agent with the State Bureau of Investigation. They're like, there's 10,000 people in this town. Let's let people who've seen bodies before take care of this. And in this one documentary thing I watched on it, the cops were all saying when they walked in, they were like, never saw anything like this before. It was fucking the most brutal thing I've ever seen. Holy shit.

You know, before or since that, that you know it's one of those so the mobile crime laboratory shows up at about 235 and um here's what they what they describe what he describes later on from taking pictures and everything else now all the victims bodies were bound and gagged. Yeah. All three. They find the body of Shamika Farris. That's the 16-year-old. She is clad in a blue T-shirt and white underwear, sitting on the bedroom floor. She's the one who's got her back and head sitting up against the bed. Okay?

Yeah. A gag is in her mouth, and it was secured by a sock tied around her head. Her wrists were bound behind her and her ankles were tied together. Her skull had been completely split open by a gunshot wound. I mean, completely opened it up. Tissue and blood were everywhere and a piece of her skull, a piece of her skull plate lay beside her. Wow. Think about that scene, what piece of her skull plate lay beside her. Wow. Think about that scene, what that looks like.

That's hideous. That is fucking horrific. A child, too. That's a 16-year-old girl. Yeah. That's terrible. Then, William Earl Farris Jr., he is the 13-year-old. He's clad in just his underwear, lying face down on the floor.

Also gagged, his hands tied behind him and his ankles tied together there is a round gunshot wound in his upper left back and a small hole in the floor just above his head okay so that's what he got and then louise ferris the mom that she's the third one it's the mom and it's not even fucking here wow the baby is not here once yep through the head this is uh it's it's a 30 30 rifle that's why oh through the head and through the back yeah he's got yeah the back and the head on his upper left back and a small hole in the floor just above his head so there you go um louise was fully clothed She was lying face down on the floor, gagged and bound as well. By her head was a bullet hole in the bedroom floor, and she

suffered a large wound in her chest and another wound in her left wrist. The police removed three spent 30-30 shell casings from the bedroom and a piece of a brown paper bag with letters glued to it.

There's a note here. There's letters, like different letters cut out from a magazine, like a crazy ransom note. And they're glued onto a paper bag to form a message here. And the message is, quote, I told you about slapping my mother. And slapping is misspelled, by the way. Slapping is S-L-A-P-P-E-I-N-G.

What? I told you about slapping my mother. Nobody's ever spelled slapping like that. No. Who do we know that might spell slapping wrong? Who do we know that could possibly be dumb enough to spell slapping wrong? He didn't even write it as slapping wrong who do we know that could possibly be dumb enough to smell to spell slapping wrong he didn't even write it as sleeping you know like this is a very bizarre way of spelling and this isn't with handwriting he cut fucking letters out and glued them in this way no proof

reading he was like i need an e and they're like no you don't he's like i need an e and they're like all right he needs an e that is fucking crazy um they uh they also observed that drawers had been pulled out of a table in the master bedroom and in the same room the bottom drawer of a large a large chest had been pulled out and other drawers were open when ransacked it looks like it's been gone through he's there was an alarm clock set for 458 a.m the alarm had already been turned off uh outside the house they observed that some that the telephone wires in the main telephone junction box had been uh ripped out and some have been cut okay so there's no phone service to the house this is there's a note there's a obviously a horrible scene where everybody's been bound and gagged and shot.

This is fucking crazy. Yeah, this is insane. Now, the injuries are holy shit. The doctor here talks about the injuries here. Shamika, like we said, had her ankles and wrists bound with knotted socks and sustained a massive gunshot wound to the head. The tearing around the wound indicated it was a contact wound and that the muzzle was in contact with her hair and scalp when the gun was fired. Jesus. Point fucking blank.

And they said finding a piece of the skull plate was also a characteristic of a contact wound like that. They said she was incapacitated and dead instantly after being shot, or almost as instant as you can get, basically. Louise, they said, there's a contact wound to her upper chest and an exit wound in her upper left back and a separate wound on her left wrist. She was either shot sitting or standing, and the contact chest wound caused her death. She was incapacitated quickly and unconscious within a minute and dead very soon afterwards.

As to the boy, as to Farris Jr., the younger child here, gunshot residue was on his back, indicating that the, but it wasn't a contact, that the gun muzzle was at most three feet away. So it was close but not touching. And due to a high spinal cord injury he lived at most two minutes after being shot so at least nobody suffered here like nobody sat around bleeding and twitching for six hours you know what i'm saying is a fucking eternity oh it's long i can't imagine but that's compared to what we've talked about and people who've you know been four hours of dying and shit like that or Baraboo or some of these things.

That's relatively – I mean, they're children being murdered. So none of it's good, obviously. Relatively merciful. Whether it's 10 seconds or two minutes. Yeah, it's at least not torturous anyway and less painful than it could have been. You know what I mean? To be carved up with a knife or something like that. Now, William Ferris Sr., they'd love to know where he is because his whole family is, you know, whatever.

Because at this point, a guy came over looking for his wife. Oh, my God. Everybody's dead. And the father's not even home. What's going on here? So he said that he took Ann to work around midnight the night before. Returned home. This is William Ferarris Sr.,

returned home, set his alarm clock, went to sleep, he got up at 3.45 a.m., reset his alarm for 4.45 a.m., and got dressed. He drove the Pontiac wagon and left for Greenville, and he said he didn't get home until about 1 o'clock p.m. when he saw a crowd of people in the

front, you know, the road leading up to his house. He says, that's all I know. Now, the problem is that a couple of weeks, two or three weeks before this all happened, Ren had told Doris to go to a discount store in Greenville and buy bullets for him, and she did. Now, I don't know if you buy discount bullets if that's probably it's not good from experience one of those things yeah toothpaste toilet paper bullets are those

the things you don't skimp on detergent those are the laundry yeah yeah laundry detergent there you go yeah those are the four so and shampoo probably too so um never mind sorry anyway that was honestly i didn't mean to do that. That was honestly just off the top of my head. I'm like, wait a second. I give a shit what you bought. Never mind. He washes.

Jimmy uses like fucking palm olive. He just does a little, sticks it up there. It's Irish spring, fucker. There you go. Who gives a shit? So, he said there, there anyway she did that on the night of may 29th um they arrive he went and uh picked her up from he went and picked yvette up from work and the two arrived at the bus around 11 30 p.m but he left again saying he was going to see anne at work think about that wow he was

with her his girlfriend and it's like i'm gonna go try to get my wife back now she's like okay bye like what the at midnight what the fuck um and then he returned at 12 30 a.m and said that ann had told him that she came he came home and said well she said you're my new wife you vet so that's that's that. You win. Tells that to her and Doris there. Depends on how you look at it. Whatever. You got me, though. Yeah.

Ren was very angry about this, by the way. How dare she not want me? And he's pacing around at 3.30 in the morning yelling and screaming and said he's going to kill Ann and her people. Everybody's getting it. I'll kill every motherfucker in here. He told Doris, wake me up at 3.30 a a.m i need to be up at 3 30 so around 3 30 a.m um he woke up and he told yvette to get up fucking shook her ass awake too he told doris to get his hat and a flashlight and told yvette to find a brown piece of paper with some words on it that he already prepared.

Okay. Yvette got the paper out of the pocket of a black coat and gave it to him. Now, they had apparently they created the note when one night Doris was hanging out with him at his trailer in Chaco, and he started making the note. And she was like, what are you doing? Like, that's a weird thing to do. But he's's had it for two weeks he's had bullets in this note for two weeks okay not good so she they get my hat and flashlight and get me the uh you know the murder note and um yeah you know all my supplies here murder scribe and a hat and a coat there you

go let's get it on so doris um yeah this all happened then now he cut letters out of a magazine and pasted them to part of a paper bag he couldn't get a piece of construction paper or like a decent human being a paper bag he's repurposing reusing oh what is what is he that dirt bag and dope sick love yeah he's sitting he's a fucking junkie sitting on the steps let it all out man it's how you feel and he's fucking writing on a paper bag his prison girlfriend just christ that's bad shit so he cut all this he asked doris to spell some words for him yeah she couldn't spell uh slapping either did you did you hear what the note said i told you about slapping my mother words uh yeah more than one what fucking other word did he not know how to spell told you my about mother well are you fucking kidding me

it's gotta be slapping and mother right and neither of them could figure out you in this oh my god right that oh those just looks wrong so that's what he said he asked doris to spell some words um she said that later on doris will say she doesn't remember what he said he planned to do with the note. But, you know, he just said he needed this help on a note. Wouldn't you ask, like, why are you making a ransom note? Why are you making a ransom note that implies that you did some sort of retribution? Yeah, I don't want to put my finger on your my fingerprints on your ransom note. Thank you. So, yeah, he said that he said at that point that he was going to kill the people

that's what he said it was that's what the note's about gonna murder some people so she was like whatever you want a sandwich cool man that's cool she also said that he dressed and put on a stocking mask and a blue knit cap and uh yvette before they went out also put on a stocking mask and a knit cap they went out each with a fucking rifle together, him and Yvette. And it was Doris's. Doris's job is to watch the kids while this is going on. Hang out here. We'll be right back.

Nothing weird going on. Yvette was like, yeah, I got that. Oh, she knew it was happening. Yeah, they were going out. They put on fucking masks and got rifles. What do you think's happening? Something bad's about to happen. And pocketed their murder note.

I think it's going down now. So, yeah, anyway, he told Doris at that point to get the bullets that he bought earlier and get one of his guns. So she did. The bullets were still in the bag, the ones that came from the store. And he took the bag with the two guns, and he took them with them around 4 a.m he and uh yvette left the bus they got in yvette's car and took off and he and yvette returned to the bus before it was light out and asked doris if she smelled anything on their clothes what like gun smoke or viscera what are we talking about here you smell brain brain? Do I smell like skull plate?

Is that a thing? Have you ever smelled that before? Jesus Christ. She said you smell like gun smoke. Yeah. Yeah, because you're in a house firing off a 30-30 rifle multiple times. You're going to smell like gun smoke. He told Yvette to take your clothes off, and then he took his clothes off, and they put their clothes in a bag, and then they went to bed.

But later, Dora said, I need to go to work so she had he had to whatever so she's supposed to be to work at 6 a.m but ren doesn't get up until 7 or 7 30 he gets late she's late yeah she's just waiting for him he's like i'm getting there he's just like one more minute he got dressed and got the bag of clothes and a gun, and he put them in his car, which is a gray Chrysler Cordoba. Wow, that's a bad car. It just makes me think of the Ween song. Cordoba. It's fucking hilarious.

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And then he throws out the discount store bag, which contained the bullets, the extra bullets. After driving a little further, he threw out first a black coat, then a sweater, then a bag, and then some shoes. Wow. Just like every quarter mile or so, you just throw a thing out. He then turned the car around, went back, stopped near a trailer, just a random trailer, and threw out the 30-30 rifle that he had, too. Get rid of the gun too and then he drove toward washington stopped at a pay phone saying that he was going to call ann and after this he drove to national spinning and looked for ann but couldn't find her then drove doris to work that morning time thing okay so now they they talk to william ferris senior yeah and right away they realize he's got an alibi.

He's been working with people see him working. They say that the family was killed. The medical examiner says, and this is a very southern way to put it, they were killed, quote, before breakfast. Didn't even get no grits in them at all. Not a shrimp and grits, not a biscuits and gravy, not a brisket biscuits and gravy not a jimmy dean sauce not a slab of bacon sizzling that's what time they were killed not a speck of pork in them when they died that's the that's a shame that's just a damn shame at least if they got to eat some

good pork before they died but before breakfast they were killed but they have no evidence that this guy they had a happy marriage everything was fine. And they so they ask all the questions. Do you know anybody that might want to hurt your family? And he said, yeah, my fucking idiot son in law. Probably that's I would look at him first. He's a he's a moron. Number one. And, you know, go on down the list.

So they pull Ren in. OK. And they're like, this is on the 31st of May, the next day. And about 1.40 p.m. here. This is special agent. This is SBI, which is the investigator of whatever the fuck. Bureau of Investigation. Yeah. Agent Tim Batchelor, but not spelled like the word bachelor.

There's a T in there, like batch-alore. Like a bachelor's load is what that is. Who wants my bachelor? That's what the guy on the show says, I'm sure. So apparently he said he woke up. Wren sits down with this guy and he goes, listen, I woke up around 5 a.m. I drove to the Ferris' house and I did break in. Yeah.

I was wearing gloves. And he said that he broke in to try to make them see his point of view. Yeah. See it from my side. Yeah. Yeah, see it from my side. Give me a fucking break here. And said that he gathered Louise and her children in one bedroom, and when he entered the bedroom, Louise tried to grab the rifle.

You kidding me tried to grab his rifle but he pushed her to the floor and then shamika started screaming you know because they're being kidnapped and held at gunpoint he just shoved her mother to the floor you know people scream she and louise were making a lot of noise he said and talking to him constantly they just wouldn't it's like you break in. They can't just take you're going to be murdered now. I don't understand it. They want to get out of it. They don't want to be killed.

This is how he's talking. Like, I don't know. They were just really just kept yapping. Noisy. Noisy. Just pip, pip, pip, pip, pip. And because they were making so much noise, he told the kid, Ferris Jr., the 13-year-old, to gag them and tie them up. That's why they're tied up.

It was because he told them to. He said after that, obviously, he had to gag the kid, too, and tie him up, as he did. Shemeka was screaming, and at that point, he shot her. Okay? That's what he says. He shot her. All right? He then panicked and shot Louise and the kid as well. That's what he did. He said, I just panicked. Is this the story he's giving to the cops? That's my story. then panicked and shot louise and the kid as well that's what he did

that's my story i panicked yeah i didn't know this was supposed to happen it was just so much going on and i did my brain couldn't take it and it just it resulted in a pulled trigger and then once you get one you got to kill everybody you know how it is so yeah he said shamika got it first though now he says after 10 then he went and took doris to work he still had responsibilities and all he said he threw the rifle into the woods on the side of the road off river road and he said i don't know i don't know anything about a note in the bedroom though i don't know anything about that according to him this was a spontaneous thing i went over there to get them to talk they freaked out all this happened by accident that's his story accidental

murder family uh what note what note someone else came and left the note after he murdered them all it's just a big coincidence this this county's crazy you got the police you better be doing your job somebody came to kidnap them all and they were like well uh i guess they can't but shit never mind i'll leave this here i worked hard on this note took a long time to find the right letters and uh glue them on there had to get glue you know i didn't have i don't have elmer sitting around the house you know it goes so um he said he took deborah with him to the ferris's house the next day because he needed a witness to verify that the family was already dead when he was discovered by the way this is a huge thing that people do that murderers

do it's a giant giant thing that happens all the time i've seen like analysis on this murderers that will kill somebody and then leave the scene like this they they need the body to the bodies to be discovered in a certain way at a certain time sometimes or things like that. They always like to go back and be the ones to find the body but not be alone because if they're alone, then people go, oh, well, you probably killed them before you found them. But with somebody, then you can go afterwards in the interrogation and say, we went up there. Right. We were worried. Yeah.

We saw them. Oh, my God. It's horrible. It's like I goes on fire exactly so and she saw it oh my god he was so broken up about it he cried and screamed and yelled and you know oh the poor guy but all that is for not when you go and tell them that you killed everybody well that's the thing about having a 61 iq is you coming up with a plan is difficult enough, but then actually following through with it, executing it well is a whole other issue that very smart people have a hard time doing. You know, I mean, people with double that IQ get caught with it doing this shit all the time.

So I don't know what he was thinking. So anyway, yeah, that's what he said. So he took Deborah with him to the pharisees he wanted her to be a witness to the whole thing and which is i mean smart i guess for for him it's pretty smart he uh then he took them to the place where he discarded the rifle now this was after he underwent a polygraph examination he agreed to a polygraph uh there and uh within basically he completed the test and they told him well that was terrible you failed the test and he goes okay and then he said all that you performed horribly you want to know

why yeah none of that shit i said was true that's why so he helped them find the rifle then he turned uh he returned with the officers to the police station where beginning at about 345, he sat with with Agent Batchelor in the interview room. This is where they took hair samples, fingerprints and, you know, all the forensic shit they had to take from him. His his clothes just to make sure everything like that. They tell him he's going to be charged with the murders. So while sitting in the room here, he's not questioned. Bachelor will later say there was a conversation, but not related to this crime, simply an awkward situation trying to make small talk with Mr. Gibbs. Basically, you're all sitting there together and you're, you know, so, hey, you know, you like the big fucking big Tar He heels fan or what you know that's what you do so he said that uh from time to time other agents went in and out of the interview room as well he was permitted to use the toilet during this provided with a soda upon his request at 6 32 p.m he was taken to the

magistrate's office where arrest warrants were served on him and then he went back to the police department around 8 p.m on the 31st he made another statement to agent bachelor here uh this is the one where he starts describing his relationship with yvette because they don't know shit about that they just know he broke into the house killed everybody right and stated that ann was aware of the relationship and he said that he and ann had been separated four to six times in the last five years. And that, yeah, during the separations, Anne's family used to refuse to tell him where she was. You know, because she was terrified of him. She's keeping the kids safe.

Keeping the kids safe from him. He said when he telephoned the house to speak with her, whoever answered the phone would just hang up on him. Wouldn't even... I'll see you again. Click. She goes, Anne, click, done. would just hang up on him wouldn't even let's see you again click she is and click done so he said that he described his movements that night and in great detail and he added that he took the rifle of william ferris senior um uh oh he took the rifle to quote keep william ferris senior off of him so basically william ferris senior wouldn't have a rifle to come hunt him down with i think if someone murders your whole family and

you want to hunt them down like an animal you'll find a way to do it you don't need to have your rifle there you'll you'll get a claw hammer i'll take you apart with my bare hands yeah that's what i mean you don't need the weaponry is going to be secondary. My family, I'll take your throat out with my fucking fingernails. So he bought the rifle. He brought the bought the rifle again from a Beaumont man. This is his other rifle who also provided a number of shells for it. That's the first one we're talking about, the one he stole. So they broke into the Ferris house.

I guess Louise Ferris called him by name and asked him what he wanted and he said he wanted to see ann and she said ann's not there and he said well where the fuck is she and she said i'm not telling you and uh since ann wouldn't even tell she said ann won't even tell me where she's staying right now she's gone so louise said what is lou Louise asked him what her family had done to him and whether they had ever hurt him. He replied that they had not. So Louise told him that she would not hurt him and didn't want him to do anything crazy. Shamika started crying, but Louise continued to talk to him over the whole thing. She's trying to calm him the fuck down.

He's got a rifle on her kids and she's like hey hey come on let's let's talk about this let's calm down she's she sees that's the way to soothe him at this point and try to get him to not kill everybody so uh louise asks him if he remembered her helping him at an earlier time and he said yeah i do remember you've helped me before shamika begins yelling and crying louder and louder. It's at this point where he directed the other kid, William Jr., to tie up and gag his mother and sister. In spite of the gags, both women continue to talk and make a lot of noise, he said, which will happen. The noise made him nervous, and he just shot them to stop the noise it was just a

reaction he said he was at first he said he was standing in the bedroom doorway when he shot them but later he said he might have been closer to them or you know touching them anything in that ballpark he didn't say that he just said maybe i maybe I was closer. He also said his purpose for going there in the first place was to talk with Anne, and he never intended to shoot anyone, and he had never threatened to kill Anne or harm her family, which we know isn't true. And I usually don't wear a ski mask and carry a 30-30 rifle and wear gloves when I go to try to chat with somebody.

Yeah. Do you? Anne had a very threatening, retribution-filled letter with me. I also bring a ransom note and a murder explanation with me. I bring all this shit and a murder explanation because you never know when things can get out of hand, even if I'm not trying to. So, yeah, he said he never did any of that.

He denied any knowledge of the note, but he did say he's the only person that's responsible for these murders, and neither of the twins were involved in it. It was all him. June 3rd comes around, and he makes a fourth statement. And he says, okay, Yvette was with me. Now he just spills it. Yvette was with me. He told her that she better go with him or else, is what he told her at that point. He's like, I made her come with me um he told her that she better go with him or else is what he told her at that point

he's like i made her come with me he said he struck her once before she did something that he didn't like before when she did something he didn't like so she listened to him i hit her one time so she listens to me he said he said they traveled in her buick regal to the Faris' house. Yvette carried a.22 caliber rifle and he says though that she didn't see him shoot anybody because he made her stand watch. That's his story.

In addition, Doris was with him afterwards and saw him disposed of some evidence and that's her only involvement he said. He said, i told her to keep her mouth shut and she better not fucking say anything he said that he was the one who bought the bullets for the 30 30 rifle and he also bought bullets for the 22 rifle about three weeks before nobody did shit and anything they did do i forced them to do is what he said here okay he says uh

before breaking into the house he said he saw William Ferris Sr. driving away. So he knew it was safe because he waited. He knew the one person that can stop this is gone. Yeah, the one guy who's going to be probably good with a weapon and not taking any of his shit either. So he said he went to the telephone junction box and tried to cut the wires. And he ended up working some wires loose by hand and some cut and you know kind of fucked them up as well as he could he said he had written the note the night before and glue found by the officers in his car had been used to make the note so all me that's

what it is um okay so then the the police said, we asked the twins to come in for questioning and they came into the station voluntarily the next day. So they come in and Yvette has to give a statement. Yeah. Let's hear what she has to say. She gives several different statements. Obviously, she's never going to give the same one. They find out that they interview her and she's she said, well, they interviewed her at work on the afternoon the bodies were found. And they informed her that he was there to verify the alibi that Wren had given. She told him Gibbs had been with her throughout the night at the bus after 1230 a.m. last night.

So he couldn't have done it. He was with me all night so they said that uh then on june 1st she gave a different statement to detectives at the washington police station she said that ren was with her at the bus on the evening of may 29th after they went to bed gibbs woke her up and said he had to go somewhere he told her he was quote mad at ann's people for coming between him and ann and he took out a rifle and ordered her to get bullets from him uh ordered her to get bullets for him from the front of the bus and then he left he returned about 6 30 or 7 a.m left again returned about 10 a.m and then left again afterwards as we know he

went with his sister and did all that shit so that's how that goes now the one investigator asked whether it was her or her sister who accompanied gibbs the night of the murder and she said i wasn't there hadn't been me not me not me so then she gave them a different statement this statement was more similar to a one she'll give later uh she said that there She said that two or three weeks before the murders, she did see him pasting a note together on a paper bag. So there was that. So that connects him to the note. He was denying that all the way up. I still don't understand the note.

And then the last thing he said, okay, fine, I wrote the note. So on the day before the murders here, Gibbs shot at and attempted to run over and kill the dog as well. She talks about that. And on the evening of May 29th, she said that Gibbs told her that he was going to kill Ann and her family. Gibbs was angry after talking with Ann and who told him that to go back to his new wife, referring to her. who told him that to go back to his new wife referring to her. So she said he woke up or he woke up, he woke her up about 4 a.m. on May 30th.

They got dressed in dark clothing and Gibbs placed a stocking over each of their heads. Just she won't even say she put the stocking on her head. He crowned her. Yeah. Here you go. Yeah. He asked her if she was ready and she hesitated, she said. And then she said, yes, I am.

So he told her that she did not have to go and that he knew that she was scared and didn't want to go. She told him she was ready but concerned about her asthma. She'd be concerned about life in prison. You shouldn't be concerned about your asthma. Where's my inhaler? So she got her inhaler. Yeah. There you go.

And the note that he made. And at Wren's request, she also got the.22 rifle for him. He already had the.30-30 rifle with him. And they drove to the Ferris house in her car. They reached the house. They saw him leave. And she said that gibbs followed and attempted to overtake mr ferris but failed which is not we know that's not true we know he

didn't try to wrestle with the dad and the dad just went by and drove to work and left him there yeah so she she said at that point that uh that ren, quote, fuck it, I'm going to kill the bitch. So they returned to the Ferris house. And they went up to the house where Gibbs cut the phone line while Yvette held the rifles. Gibbs asked Yvette twice if she was ready, and she said yes. He then forced entrance into the house, entry into the house through the carport door. She said there were screams as they entered the house. He pointed the gun at Mrs. Farris and ordered her to take the children into a bedroom.

He became irritated as she pleaded with him and Shemeika cried. Gibbs ordered one of the kids to tie up the victim. So all this is true. That part, I would say he backed him into a room. The noise got too much and he told the kid to tie him up. That definitely happened. We know that. So after that, he became mad at William Jr. because he did a shit job of tying his mom and sister up.

13-year-olds don't have a lot of tying your mom and sister up experience. He's clearly not an Eagle Scout. How many people had you tied up with socks at age 13? You know what i mean like especially at gunpoint you know at gunpoint it's your mom so he became irritated so he ordered at that point he ordered shamika to tie up mrs ferris and then he tried to tie up he tried to tie up William Jr. while Yvette held the gun. No reference, no time did she speak about that she ever spoke to or bound or gagged anyone. She just held a gun, basically, and stood there while he yelled and did everything.

At various times, Gibbs walked to the front of the house to check and see if anyone had driven up. At those times, she said she held a gun on the family while he was at the window. Eventually, Wren ordered her to shoot each person in the head. And she said she couldn't, so he shot and killed them all. That's how it works. Come on, Patty Hearst. Get into it. Let's go.

Bitch, do it. He said that W ren and her then went back to the bus washed up put their clothes in a paper bag which he took with him and drove doris and threw all the shit out like we talked about he then uh slept a little bit and took back off trying to find dan again big day so what they end up figuring out is um after a while when they really get everything they find out that uh yeah he kicked the door in confronted louise farris and her kids he said quote you're all done getting between him and me and ann uh may order the children to tie up their mother did that stuck

put a stocking in louise's mouth to muffle her screams yvette tied and gagged shamika and will jr that's what actually happened. She wondered where Ann was because Ann was supposed to be the one they were there to kill. So she was like, well, where the fuck is Ann? And Ren said, quote,

I'll get to her later. The whole point of this was let's go kill my ex-wife. Let's go kill my wife. Now we're killing everybody but her. Exactly. He said, I'll get to her later, then shouted, shoot, woman, goddammit, shoot.

Unbelievable. Shoot, woman, goddammit, shoot. And she said she froze, and she said she agreed to be a lookout, but never thought she'd have to shoot a child in the head. That wasn't what she was really bargaining for. She's like, I'm a bitch and all, but I mean, that's a little much, you know what I mean? I'm an asshole, but I'm a jerk. jerk but i mean this is an extreme thing here so um i guess she refused to pull the trigger so ren got his his rifle and put it in the back of louise's neck and blew away most of her head so that's what happened louise had a lot of her head missing he then turned to uh and coming out of her chest too, he then turned to the kids and did the same thing.

He then ransacked the house before they fled. He tossed the two weapons in some woods as they drove away, and then they were back in the school bus. Same thing. Yada, yada. So, obviously, they arrest her. Yeah. They arrest him. They arrest her. They arrest Doris um they arrest him they arrest her they arrest doris everybody's under fucking arrest here we got we got yeah we got to sort all this shit out here

so yvette during her trials first her trials the first one and then we're going to have ren's trial and then we're going to have doris's doris's last because Doris is testifying against her. Oh, shit. Yeah. Doris is testifying. And so because she wasn't she wasn't involved. She's the least culpable. Yeah. And they said, well, we're going to charge you just like everybody else because you were involved in the conspiracy. Unless.

And she went, well, I mean, Christ, I stayed home with the kids. Exactly. Some lawyers in front of 12 people. Come on. So Yvette testifies as well at her own trial. And her testimony is, Ren made me do it. He made me do it. He threatened my life.

I had no choice. I would have never done that except for him and all that. Which, by the way, other than him telling someone that he hit Yvette once, there's no evidence of abuse. Nobody says he abused her she even says at this point she says her final story is that she um that he beat her up that night to get her to go and uh the when she is when they looked at her the next day she had no marks she had no nothing there was nothing on her so they don't think that he was abusive to her they actually yes that she she wanted him she wanted him to fucking his ex-wife to be there

and not to be around she also said that both she and her sister gave him their paychecks as well she said that he sometimes abused her and failed to provide them with food as he took their paychecks at the the time of the killings, she said she hadn't eaten for two days. Oh my god. Yeah. He said he was aware, or she said she was aware that Wren wanted to reunite with Anne, but said that she loved him

and wanted to marry him and live in the trailer that he shared with Anne. She just wanted to replace Anne. She said that she acknowledged here that she failed to tell the police of the of Gibbs's threats and her prior and the prior abuse. She's none of this comes out till trial and all the interviews and everything else. She never says that she was forced to do this and she never says she was abused. The first time that comes up is when she gets and sits down on the stand at her trial.

As if her lawyers told her to say that as if it's like that's yeah a much better thing to have happen so she said that um she wanted to marry him all that shit she said that she understands that she failed to tell about the prior abuse but she said she had received medical attention twice as a result of the abuse. But as instructed by Gibbs, she said she received the injuries by accident. So she also testified as to the events differed somewhat

from that statement. She testified that she was 27 years old at the time of the murder. She's one of six children, had no contact with her family because except for her twin sister, Gibbs didn't want her

to talk to her family. She described her relationship with Gibbs as that of a boyfriend and girlfriend, except that she was constantly afraid of him. She said he was physically and verbally abusive to her and had threatened to kill her with a gun on the day before the murders after he attempted to kill the dog. She said she helped Gibbs with spelling when he made the note which he left at the murder scene does can no one spell nobody in this whole situation three people three people have taken credit for a very simple word being misspelled by the way if you notice that that's disturbing um she also testifies that when he returned to the bus on May 30th at 1230 a.m., he was angry because Ann had said that he was going to be or that Yvette was going to be Gibbs's new wife.

He began to hit her that night and told her if she ever left him, he would kill her. Then he told her that he was going to kill the Farris family, and he told her and her twin sister to wake him up by 4 a.m they didn't wake him but when he woke up and realized he overslept he got angry and then hit them both more he well we're only laughing because we that's not true no this was a plan that a bunch of people made that was a yeah um he made uh he said then he made her get up and get dressed, Yvette that is, and when she was slow getting his gun from him from his car, he got angry and hit her with the barrel of the gun. Oh, the barrel.

That's where you fucking slap people around. That'll leave a mark that she didn't have. She also told him that she didn't want to go, but he said she had to in order to see what it would be like if she left him oh oh yeah as they approached the ferris house gibbs was the one carrying the guns she said at one point um he made her hold the guns warning her not to try anything don't you do anything crazy that's right he took the guns out back and after he cut the telephone wires he asked her if she was ready she said she wasn't ready and he angrily told her to get ready. Well, you better fucking get ready.

We're here. It's game time. You're going in whether you like it or not. This is like, yeah, Normandy, the beach is right there. We're pushing you off the boat. You can't sail this. Doesn't someone need to take the boats back?

Is there a return guy for the boats? I'll take them back. I'll be the return guy. These shits are going to sink right here you're getting out we don't these are nice boats we don't want to lose these right i'll take them back i'll take them back don't worry i got this no no really no it's a sacrifice i understand but i'll do it i really want to be on those beaches getting shot and having like a 12 second life expectancy yeah but still i think i'm gonna take these back i'm gonna be more of a land guy it's okay so he said uh um anyway at one point she uh try anything blah blah blah where am i here okay so he angrily told her to get ready

because she's going in whether she likes it or not and she was scared he would kill her they entered the house and heard screaming voices. Wren ordered the family members into one room, like we said. There's the tying things. In response to pleas by the mother, Wren told her that he was tired of her coming between him and his wife. After he ordered

her to shoot the victims, she refused. That's when Gibbs did it. Gibbs even then, as according to her testimony, then even turned the gun on Yvette and appeared to pull the trigger oh he told her he was going to kill her her family and quote everyone that I was ever involved with I'm going to kill all of you and then I'm going to kill myself not and if you do this just that's what's going to happen. They left and returned to the bus where they took their clothes off. And Ren left telling the police that he would kill her or her sister if she did anything.

You know, he's going to roll the dice. You never know. Whichever one. We'll magic eight ball it. We'll see what happens. When the police questioned her at work, she lied to them because she was afraid of what would happen to her of her or her or her sister if they talked you know he's going to kill them that's her testimony that's yeah i mean she's she's just distinct distancing herself from anything it's

all yeah it's all garbled it's all forcing and distancing it's a lot of it's a lot of it's all him not me but she was there and she yeah that's rough man if you went in thank you if you put a ski mask and a gun on that's like we used to do the disclaimer you're going to the liquor store and you're robbing the liquor store if you had a ski mask and a gun on someone else shot the lady behind the counter you're fucking just as responsible at that point legally that's sorry um even if they forced you unless they took you in a gunpoint but if you put a ski mask on voluntarily i feel like you should probably take the plea and uh yeah don't go to trial on this no shit well there is no plea they want the

death penalty oh my yeah they want him and her they want the death penalty because this was especially horrible obviously and then um doris they got they're not going to try her till afterwards they're not even they're keeping her in quote a safe place until the trials that's what they're doing with doris so the verdict comes in on yvette do they believe that it was abused and that she was an innocent woman uh they find her guilty of murder and uh okay during sentencing psychiatric testimony was offered on her behalf dr bob rollins he testifies that she is suffering from atypical dissociative disorder at the time of the murders which resulted from domination mistreatment or abuse he said that the disorder is commonly called brainwashing commonly known as as talked them into it

again yeah we they already did patty hearst that's not you can't use that as an excuse but you're an adult with yeah but they're kind of winning in this case already now i mean you know i mean yeah if you've got a doctor saying that, that's pretty convincing. Yeah. That's something. And then he further testified that her reaction to Wren was typical of what's to be seen in battered spouse syndrome, although they weren't married. They were still a couple for a long time. So it's the same thing.

As a result of the abuse, this expert believed that she was essentially a slave to Gibbs. This expert believed that she was essentially a slave to Gibbs. He also explained and testified that her mother had paranoid schizophrenia and that mental health records from April 1989 reported her father's suspicion that the event was being abused by Gibbs. Now they're saying her mother had paranoid schizophrenia, which never came up before until right now. The lady went to jail for her. That's what I mean. Yeah. Went to jail.

Maybe she thought she was multiple people. One worked and one was on welfare. Maybe that's what it was. I don't know, but that's ridiculous. It's fucking asinine. So in rebuttal, the state offered evidence that the officers who interrogated her at work saw no injuries to her face or body, which would have been 12 hours after she was hit multiple times and smacked with a rifle barrel. Viciously beaten.

Yeah, viciously beaten about the head and face. The jail matron who processed her and an emergency room doctor who saw her on the 5th of June also saw no signs of injuries old or new on her like no bruises that were almost gone none of that shit so at the she offers the testimony of three women who know her through the jail ministry as well in her sentencing phase all

three witnesses testified as to their belief in her religious sincerity she's made a complete turnaround now they said a jail matron testified that she had adapted their belief in her religious sincerity. She's made a complete turnaround now. They said a jail matron testified that she had adapted well to incarceration. Her mother testified, Yvette and Doris's mother, testified about her own schizophrenia. So now she says she has schizophrenia, so I guess she does.

And how Yvette had helped her with the family while the mother was hospitalized. Okay. How about when she was. Okay. The father testifies that Yvette was a good daughter and had never been in any trouble. Never been any trouble to the family. He also testified that he suspected that Ren had abused her. And her brother also testified that Ren had contributed to the family. Or that Yvette had contributed to the family. but she cut off contact after she moved out.

And so they said that she. Yeah. The doctor says that she is she's susceptible to treatment and rehabilitation. She'll do fine. You get her. That's it. Now, the district attorney says, quote, she was just as responsible as gibbs it was as if she pulled the trigger herself she was with them every step of the way that's tough argument there

so superior court jury deliberates for 10 hours on this one wow they really life or death yeah absolutely um yeah she's three people have been murdered. And her statement beforehand is, quote, I'd like to say I'm real sorry for this. Real sorry this happened to the Farris family. I know I'm very, very sorry. That's what she said. And the judge, they read the jury and they say, you, ma'am, may fuck off. Death penalty for you. You're not sorry enough.

Wow. They didn't think she was sorry enough. At least they considered the – 10 hours is a pretty good consideration. That's a long time. Yeah, they didn't just sign the paper. The judge, as he gave the sentence, said, quote, may God have mercy on your soul. Jesus. If you hear – those are the last words you hear leaving court.

You're going to have a bad fucking night. That's bad shit. So, yeah, that's crazy. She's also convicted of conspiracy to commit first degree murder, first degree burglary and conspiracy to commit first degree burglary. She's also sentenced to consecutive prison terms of 15 years on the burglary conviction and in terms of nine and three years for the conspiracy conviction so that's 27 plus the death penalty is what that is gibbs is going to be charged on the same exact charges dorothy dorothy or dorothy doris is only being charged on two counts of conspiracy to commit first degree murder in connection with it so his trial comes up now and it's the same fucking evidence. They have his statement.

They have her statements. Same thing. Um, but this one, they have a lot of problems finding jurors who will, who will do capital murder at this point in time. A lot of them won this perspective journey. Barbara Malpass.

Um, she said the capital nature of the case would not affect her ability to sit on the jury. But immediately after this, she said, quote, I don't think I would vote death penalty if there was any other choice. Then she indicated to the court that she had not made up her mind that the penalty should be life or death. And when asked by the prosecutor if she could vote to impose a death penalty upon the conviction, she said, I don't think so. I don't think I would. I don't know.

Like I say, I don't know until I hear the case. So then here's the exchange they have. Okay. Uh, the question you have indicated, you do not think you could do that. She said, right. And they said, and would that be so no matter what the evidence might show that you would not under any circumstances vote to impose a sentence of death on Renwick Gibbs or anyone else? Is that what you're saying to me? And she said that I could not vote. I didn't say that I could not vote. I said I would rather not do it. I prefer not to sentence a person to death if I have another choice, no matter what he did.

No matter what? They're parsing semantics here. If you could say none or this ridiculousness, let's just say none because the way we do it now doesn't work. So fuck it. It's better just to – we can't do it right. We're human beings. It's impossible to do it right. Even if we think it's the right thing to do, which, hey, great.

If you think it's the right thing to do, that's fine. But even if you think it's the right thing to fucking do, you know we can't do it right. You know it. When you hear 95% of our cases that are death penalties get overturned that that's all that's costing money and it's it's it's just a dance we're doing so people are satisfied with good they're killing people but they're actually not killing people so who cares just fucking save the money life in prison and then they're put away and you don't have to deal with 46 000 fucking appeals either and i'm watching this i am killer documentary on fucking

knock uh netflix i've seen every one of them i'm less and less convinced that we should ever do that well we just we it's we never know that's the problem unless it's so cut and dried and it's whatever i mean there are circumstances but just for those circumstances i don't know that it's worth it like i'm saying i'm not even getting into morals or anything like that just just the pragmatic logic just the fucking logistics too many moving parts difficult yeah so they said the question is if satisfied from the evidence and beyond a reasonable doubt pursuant to the law as the judge explains to you could you and would you in that instance vote answer well to answer your question now before the trial the best i can answer you is no i would not so question you are not at this time

committed to autumn uh to automatically committed at this time to impose a sentence of death yes sir and that is no matter what the evidence may be or what the law is no i didn't say that now there are these two married this is a fucking married couples conversation is the is the prosecutor talking to his wife on the stand what is happening here um she said then they said are you saying that there's no circumstances under which you could impose a sentence of death on mr gibbs or anyone else for that matter and the answer i think i'm saying that yes under Under no set of circumstances, I don't think I could. So it went from, I said I could, to maybe I could, to no I can't, to I don't think I can, to I definitely can't.

Fuck. She then said that she would not vote for the death penalty without going through the trial or whatever, without knowing the circumstances or anything about it, and her decision to give the death penalty would be based on the evidence we get and the crime in the situation okay so maybe so maybe yeah um which i think this is the person you want on this if they're so blown away and horrified that they're like fuck kill that fucking guy this is the person you kind of want doing that someone who doesn't have a blood lust for it to begin with you got to really talk her into it maybe she'll vote for it but it has to be that

horrible that makes sense i guess i'd rather have this person like that's right yeah it sounds like lord said offer an eye like that you don't want that guy on the jury either it sounds like she doesn't know anything about this either which is pretty good yeah yeah that's what i mean she's like how can i say what i want to do if i if I haven't even heard it yet? So they asked if she would always choose to vote for a life sentence. She answered, quote, normally I would. I would say yes. Asked if she could say to Renwick Gibbs that he should be put to death. She answered no.

I could decide if I felt he was guilty or not, but I don't think I could vote to put him to death. No. And this is the thing that a lot of normal people have. and this is the thing that a lot of normal people have yeah that's that's the most common exchange that i see in these things is people going listen i don't know i don't want to vote to put a person to death because that's a fucking lot to ask of a juror yeah do you know what jurors get paid back then it was twelve dollars a day it's very i don't know what it is now. I think it's still $12 a day. For fucking $12, you want this person to fucking decide life or death for people? That's a lot to ask of somebody of their own psyche, man. That's not cool to ask of regular people.

It's just a lot. It's just too much to ask, I think, honestly. So anyway, they go through all this, and I don't think Malpass is going to be a juror here. So another juror, potential juror, is a Nelson Simpsons, a Pentecostal minister. Oh. And he said that according to his religious beliefs, imposing the death penalty would, quote, put me in a very bad situation. I would not like to have that imposed on me to try to have to make that kind of decision. They said, exactly. I said, if called upon to vote for the death penalty,

what would you do? And he said, I wouldn't like to do it. No, sir. Then later he said, let me put it this way. I mean, the way that I feel, the way that I see the things as they are, I know you have to have laws. I believe in these. But we have to have man-made laws as well as God's laws. But if it was left up to me personally, there wouldn't be any death penalty. Maybe life, but no death penalty if it was personally up to me. Maybe life. Maybe life in prison without whatever, but not the death penalty.

So, yeah, following this, now the judge gets involved. Hold on a second. Wait a minute. He says, are you saying you could consider the death penalty or the penalty of death and the penalty of life based on the circumstances of any particular case? And he says, no, not really. I just think life is precious and I would not want the court to feel like that I had anything to do. I would not want to feel like I had anything to do with someone else's losing theirs. I said, are you saying at this time you would automatically vote against the imposition of the death penalty if you were called upon to do so based upon the law and evidence of this case?

And he said, in this case, probably I would. Yes, sir, because I've tried to explain my situation. I believe I would not. It doesn't mean I wouldn't listen. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't try to be fair, but I would just hate to know that under the circumstances that he could very well get the death penalty because of a vote that I made. Very common. These are all very common.

Doris is the star witness against him, against everybody, obviously, against Ren, against her sister, against everything. A detective talks about how they talk about the detective bachelor, agent bachelor, they talk to him about, well, did,

did you talk to him about the case while he was waiting for something else? Was he not under Miranda at that point? They explained that, you know, we just taught, we just bullshitted and you know, all that sort of thing. But they're trying to get him to say that they,

you know, they were asking him questions while he wasn't had as a right thread to him. So they said that he asked for, he said on a bachelor set about 15 minutes before he was taken to the magistrate's office. He asked if he had to get an attorney. Yes. I want an attorney. He said, do I have to get an attorney? Oh, okay.

Which the answer is you don't have to know. It's up to you. You do whatever you want. You can talk to us you can get an attorney that's a that's the answer when a when a homicide detective gets asked that question that's the question they want to ask that means you don't know your rights you don't know that you can have an attorney or you should have an attorney if you're smart and so they're like it's up to you pal and that what they said. And he said that's the first time he had ever mentioned an attorney.

He said he told Wren that the question of a lawyer had to be his decision. And he asked him if he could afford to hire a lawyer, which is a shit move. That's a shit move. Can you even afford a lawyer, bro? Like, you know, hey, I mean, I don't know. He said he couldn't. And then Batchelor said, well, the court does appoint one for you. So if you ask for one, I'll get you one.

And he said that, yeah, they said this is the judge asking him a question. Just let me ask you, you indicated around 615 that when you had a conversation with the defendant about an attorney, you stated that you were advising him of his rights at that time or he was just asking about an attorney. They said, no, sir. During a period of time, there was not any activity going on between Mr. Gibbs and I, we were simply sitting in the interview. Mr. Gibbs asked me if you had to get an attorney and I advised him that that was a decision he had to make. I was not involved in any questioning or answering, and I didn't intend at that point to interview him. So I did not advise him of his rights. And I didn't intend to at that time because there was going to be no questioning. There you go. So verdict on him comes in fucking guilty as shit.

Very guilty sentencing. Three aggravating factors here submitted to the court. First, uh, he was engaged in committing a burglary. That's number one. Next, especially heinous,

atrocious or cruel. I'd say tying up children and shooting them when they scream would, would go under that. And last, the murder was part of a course of conduct, which included the commission of crimes of violence against another person or persons. So mitigating factor is the defense witness.

They get the psychology guy here. It was like a psychologist. He comes out psychology guy as he likes to be called, I'm sure. Yeah, psychology guy. How you doing? He said, how you doing? I'm the psychology guy. I'm here to give you a quick once over, fix everybody's head.

He said, and I will quote from him, quote from the court documents here. You know something offensive is coming up if I'm quoting from court documents. Fisher, this is Brad Fisher is the guy's name. Fisher opined that the defendant suffered from borderline mental retardation and personality disorder. The retardation, however, was a small component of defendant's overall personality dynamic. That's a strong statement. His major disability being personality disorder. His personality disorder caused him to be unable to cope with stress and be

aggressive toward others. He also said that he would probably do well in a structured environment of prison. And he said that repeated threats by him to kill his wife and her family would be consistent with this doctor's evaluation of him, that he would freak out and lash out. His conduct in preparing the note, engaging Doris to buy bullets and taking his sister with him to discover the bodies showed both ability to think and to think ahead. Absolutely. Yeah.

And he had a plan. In addition, despite his retarded level of cognitive ability, defendant knew the difference between right and wrong. That's his own guy. That's his own witness. So that's tough. Four mitigating circumstances. First, the murder was committed while he was under the influence of mental or emotional disturbance. Second, his capacity to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or conform to the requirements of law was impaired.

Third, he's got a lot impaired, this guy. Third, the age of the defendant at the time of the crime. He was like 26. What fucking age? He's a kid. Yeah, he's not a child. Are you 12 or 85? No?

Then your age doesn't matter. Shut the fuck up. Neither of those matter. You know. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Last under any other circumstances arising from the evidence, the jury might have deemed to be of redeeming value. Um,

so the jury found the existence of three circumstances here. Um, they found that they've said that the IQ of 61 was Ross rough. The fact that he lacked education. And while in jail, he professed the Christian faith and accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior. That's mitigating. Yeah. So that's a mitigating factor because he said he likes Jesus now.

So they say to him, well, Mr. fucking Jesus loving vampire. Mr. Jesus pants. You, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty for you, too. So, next up, Doris. She pleads. She pleads guilty to three counts of second degree murder. That's her plea.

Oh, man. She is sentenced to, you, ma'am, may fuck off three life sentences. Oh, shit. At least you're not going to die. To run concurrently. So, at least they're not gonna die to run concurrently so at least they're not consecutively concurrently and not it's it's not without parole so it's just basically a life sentence so anyway he has to appeal based on jury selection issues because they're saying that the the there's a juror that said that basically he contends that the court erred in failing to inquire of two prospective jurors if they had seen him in handcuffs and then cautioned them to disregard the handcuffs. Because that looks like he's guilty. The jury is supposed to see the defendant in street clothes without handcuffs.

They're supposed to look no different than anyone in the court. Some states don't do that, though. Some states, they would have them in a fucking prison jumpsuit shackled, and that's a disadvantage, let's just say. Here, during this election, the presence of two prospective jurors, the court asked prospective jurors here whether he accepted the principle that the defendant was presumed innocent. And the following exchange then took place. The judge said, you understand this is a two-stage proceeding, and to the extent that first you'll be concerned with whether or not the defendant's guilty or innocent of first-degree murder.

You understand that. The answer, yeah, but over the course of, well, I've been here three days, seen him come and go, and he has handcuffs on. Well, if he was innocent until proven guilty, handcuffs wouldn't be on him. That's what the juror said. And the court said, you understand that there's been no evidence presented at this point, and under our law, the state has the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. And at this point, under the law, the defendant is presumed to be innocent do you understand that and he said yeah i understand the law what you're saying about the law but uh but i but then i see him and when i see that he comes in with handcuffs handcuffs on obviously i feel like he needs handcuffs on that's why he's wearing

handcuffs yeah because he's dangerous and the said, I'll excuse you for cause then. Because he said, I fucking got handcuffs on. Can we go home? Yeah. Now, the jurors, by the way, back then, they got $12 a day as their stipend for the first five days, then $30 a day after that. Oh. Which, yeah, that's probably minimum wage back then. Yeah, it's more than I was making in high school, probably.

$5 an hour, right? No, it's not. It's less than's more than i was making in high school probably five dollars an hour right no it's not yeah it's less than less than that but still um anyway his appeal is denied really tell him to keep keep on keeping on fuckhead um so 1993 is yvette's appeal and um the trial judge apparently instruct in her original trial instructed the jury during the sentencing phase of a capital murder trial without her present. So he instructed them without her there. She's allowed to be there for all of that. So because of that, they order a new sentencing trial. They overturn her death penalty and she is sentenced to life without possibility of parole.

They just resentence her to life. And that ends all the appeals and all the court costs and all the hundreds of thousands of dollars now. But she's happy with it. They're happy with it. Yeah. Let's see. Everyone's happy. Yeah, it's stupid.

1994. Renwick here. He appeals to the Supreme Court of the United States and they refuse to hear his appeal. They tell him to get fucked, sir. Take a fucking long walk off a short pier back in the day.

Nah, we don't want to hear it. Fuck off now. 2001, I found him. By 2001 he had been charged in prison with a he has a bunch of drugs. He's selling drugs. He's got there's a little drug ring that he's a little busted.

Basically, 2002, Yvette in prison is making pianos and piano fucking benches. Really? OK, this is from the News and Observer in Raleigh, North Carolina. And this is the article. It's kind of pitigh, North Carolina. And this is the article. It's kind of pitiful, I know, but whenever I see a grand piano, I wind up doing my Ray Charles impression and asking nearby women to be my Ray Letts.

Couldn't do that yesterday, though. First, the huge leopard-skin-covered piano was made entirely of cardboard. Second, the women surrounding me were doing time. The piano was the brainchild and creation of Renee Morton, an inmate of the North Carolina Institution for Women. I consider myself an artist, Morton says, proudly as she showed me the piano, bar and bar stools and chairs she and her partner Yvette Gay made. Yeah, because the intricate detailing, for instance, each key was made and painted by hand, the piano took her eight months to complete. Wow, 88 of them.

That's fucking wild. Yvette said, quote, it gives me the sense of joy knowing I could accomplish something like this. It makes me feel like a person regardless of how the world looks at us. Stunning. She did that by hand. That hand that's wild yeah her and her partner there april 14 2007 doris is released on parole really they say you get on out there ma'am without your sister you'll probably be fine basically living's done that's it now the death sentences here of the of of renwick as well his is still going um but it seems they were apparently the they find later on that there was a jury problem that they weren't adequately told how to weigh the mitigating factors against the aggravating factors i guess

they find later on and so now he won't face a resentencing hearing either they agree to he and them agree to just commute it to life without parole rather than retrying him on the death penalty which he would probably get again yeah and uh they're both life without parole doesn't look like they're ever going to get out i have their records here their prison records she this is recently too this is uh you know post 2017 yeah in prison uh she has zero infractions not one in prison nothing who gots on her record really good at being told what to do she is she's in she's not yeah for better or worse exactly that's what i mean um now she's in medium security regular gen pop and everything like that. It says, by the way, this is amazing. There's a site that has inmate information, and it says when she'll be released in.

I don't know how they calculated this, but it's a number of days. How many is this? It's 2,913,298 days. That's a lot of days. Is that how long until the sun explodes or something but it has her release date as january 2nd 9999 that's how many days till 9999 everyone if you were wondering two million days renwick on the other hand is also in gen pop but he has 21 infractions since he's been in the joint

there you go there's your guy he got busted for selling drugs he's doing all sorts of shit renwick so i maybe he's being a vampire we don't know either way there's been a couple tv shows about this evil twins did one which is weird because they did one a couple weeks ago i didn't ever even knew that show existed until that so i don't know gotta be uh there's got how did that even get made there's gotta be seven episodes that's what i mean i don't know how i know there's like five seasons of it must be a lot of them out there but i don't know if they all have to be murder this one though the crime part of it was kind of weak but the they had good information on yvette and doris's childhood life for like five minutes that was so that was nice.

And then another one I've never heard of called quote for my man. That's a TV show. Would women, I guess, kill people or for their husband or their man? Who knows? Who knows? Either way.

No, it's about women. It's about them. So there you go, everybody. That is Washington, North Carolina. Hell of a twisted,

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Holy shit. My frontal lobe is destroyed. Now, this week's episodes, what you're going to get is, first of all, for Crime and Sports, sex scandals part two, baby. More about the Duke fuck list and also some really weird sex scandals, including some soccer player banging his sister-in-law and writing her poetry. It's weird as shit. Trust me about that.

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Right fucking now. Jimmy, hit me with the names of the people who would never, ever, ever get us pregnant and then make us live in a school bus. Hit me with them now. This week's executive producers are Arthur Lane. He says Yahweh is a cunt. I tend to agree. Yamika Woolridge, Michelle Terry, thinking of you, by the way.

Yeti Shetty and Jordan in Canada. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. Other producers this week are Jesse Pitts in Nashville. He hung out with us in the green room there for a little bit. Good to see you. Goth Brooks in Nashville. He's a terrific man.

Taylor in Memphis. Jimmy Davis. Alex Hopper. Lou Duva. You know who that is. The boxing manager. Yeah, there it is. Carl the South African bird watcher whore.

I don't know what that's about. Corporal Carl Kirshner. Joey Pepperoni Nips came to Nashville. Oh, wow. And he brought Pepperoni Nips t-shirts. Yes.

That's adorable. I have that. And he also brought Ruben Barbasol Can Rodriguez with him. Thank you guys both for being there. Christina's adorable. I have that. And he also brought Ruben Barbasol Can Rodriguez with him. Thank you guys both for being there. Christina Bateman, Jude Kendall, Happy Hour Checking In in Eugene, Oregon. Beaver Nicole and Kat.

Oh, Baby Kit. Regina Riles. I think, I don't know. Riholtz? I don't know how that's pronounced. But she did write a little message and she is right. Doesn't matter. The rest of it's fine.

Whatever. Steve Schnell and his synergism. He's great. message and she is right and it doesn't matter the rest of it's fine whatever uh steve chanel and his uh synergism he's great janice hill frank the south african bird washer senorita melanie martin happy birthday rick likes you evidently oh boy that's wonderful i don't know if that's romantic or not uh florence colorton swag mobile pet spa olga kola shikakak ashley Swagmobile Pet Spa, Olga Kolosikuk, Ashley Chase, Jordan Rourke, Katie Anderson, Benjamin Koons, Jennifer Weldon, Danica Curry, Rochelle Lambert, Rachel Judy, Chris Seidel, Colin Dalrymple, Edwin Snell, David Van Dyke, Trey Seabolt, Eli White, Sydney Burskersterger, Seabolt, Eli White, Sidney Berskersterger, David Gerneverver, Katie Tilton,

Teresa Trent, Jesse Clark, Mike Kubiak. Probably not. Wait, no. That was different. Gary Kubiak. Gary. Gary. I was thinking of the old backup quarterback for John Elway and coach of the Texans. Maybe it's Gare's kid.

Could be him. We don't know. Gerard Quigley-C uh is a without her last name roger abriel barb dowdy andrew andrew cracky crack oh he might be crack kelly uh belly belletier tiffany paulson earl chambers christopher hess david zolinski tristan horse no yep uh jack mcqueen amy bradley eric johnson kurt clinker crack uh sarah eric yeah sounds right Tristan Horsnell. Yep. Jack McQueen. Amy Bradley. Eric Johnson. Kurt Klinkerkrat. Sarah Aaron.

Yeah. Sounds right. Heather Frederick. Brad Nelson. Angela Flippen-Trainer. Frank Bruggeman. Lisa Teague. Corey Walker. Katie with no last name.

Chris Adams. Zach Berkshire. Sonia Walker. JT Walters. Dana Stolzinski, Angela DeQuiris, Leslie Nibregal. Are you all right? The last three names. No. Okay.

Just checking. Laura Simmons, Kelly Crocker, Catherine Waring, Melissa Swanson, Jennifer Roadhouse, Deanna Murdoch, Lee Koch. That can't be right. A. Smiley, Jareed Stoniquist, Dylan Avernision. Oh, boy. Christopher Stone, Tiffany Wonder, Sarah Garcia, Elisa Hallows, Scott Sox, Melinda Hafner, Ben McMurrin, Eric B., Dorian Cresarizalza Jr., Raynard Sinclair, Michael Hutchinson, Wyatt Wood, Jizzle Nomia Valentina, Levi Clothier, Byron with no last name, Brandon with no last name, Mark Cook, Brandy Thomas, that sounds like a porn star name, JV Seam, Loey, Loey Lusk, I think, Brooks Raleigh, Christina McHugh, Elizabeth Hoppenman, Courtney Crane, Damian with no last name, James Schaefer, Jeff Hyde, Doug Ogden, Alex Nguyen, Riley with no last name,

David Watson, Mackenzie Anderson, Eric Moore, Jen Hoffman, Keaton Simpson, Tamzer Meyer, Reagan Jeffers, D. Baker, Amanda Blanch, Mason Cockrum, Leif Blazard, Brianna Nelson, Noneya Business, Wesley Reif, Nikki Weed, Katie Owen, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Elias Cope, Casey Durr, Katrina Van Camp, Carla Kuntz, Jackson Wells. Be careful with that one. I know it. He got scared. I could see it in his eyes. Heather LaCroix, Madison Jarrett, Jess Gifton, Michelle Hatfield, Gary Bishop, Dama Sealy, Seppedeta, James Brookman, Dan Lee, Kirk with no last name, Shin Dig, Taylor Cole, Michael Stewart, Ronald McMidget, Pooja Ponchal. Ronald McMidget?

That's somebody's name. Okay. Tay with no last name, Natasha Nicole, Brett Stoker, Kaylee, nope, Kale, Kale Modra, Caleb Nelson, Blake M., Brandon Washburn, Mark Griffin, William Cardona, Joyce Rath, Brittany Oakley, The Taco Knight, Lindsay Smith, Heather Nash, Corey Porter, Scott Fulmsby, Allison McQueen, Lucin Maninga, Alexandra Martinson,, Nanga, Nanga, Nanga, Nanga. Nailed it. Nailed it, Jimmy. Alexandra Martinson, William Clifford, Dennis Kost, Sage Albright, and all of our patrons. Thank you. Thank you so much, everybody. From the bottom of our hearts, we cannot thank you enough for all that you've done for us, changing our lives in every damn good way possible.

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