Small Town Murder - #317 - Freebird For Life - Ashdown, Arkansas

Episode Date: September 16, 2022

This week, in Ashdown, Arkansas, a strange night unfolds, from what seems like a typical Friday night of fish stick eating, and drinking at the local bar, for a mother & teenage son, living in a Texarkana area trailer. The son, a 17 year old dropout, turned welder comes home to a bloody scene, that looks like it's straight out of a horror movie. The police think they have their man, with a married, sometime boyfriend, with blood in his trunk, until everything changes, when a wild note is sent to the police, with both threats, and valuable info! Along the way, we find out that you might not want to be Texarkana's longest serving band, that when there are skull pieces in your living room, that's certainly a problem, and sometimes motive isn't all that important!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We are going all the way to Arkansas. Oh. Oh, yeah. Arkansas. Last time we were there was the Bad Company episode, if we remember correctly. We're going to Ashdown, Arkansas. Ashdown. Ashdown.

Ashdown. Exactly what it is. Ashdown, Arkansas. And this place is in the severe southwestern corner of Arkansas. It's own little kind of little squared off panhandle here. What's over there? Not much. It's right near the Oklahoma-Texas borders.

Both of them are right there. Is it that far west? Oh yeah, this is Texarkana right here. This is what this is. It is the middle of this particular area is kind of the middle of nowhere. It's the Ashdown. It's kind of the nearest town that you can talk about. But this actually

happened in Crossroads and there are several towns in Arkansas named Crossroads, so that could be it. Then there's one called Winthrop, which is right near there, but that is also, there's like 80 people there, so there's like no, any information on it. There's nothing, yeah. So Ashdown's like, you know, two miles this way, but it's what we're going to talk about here. Population of Ashdown, 4down 4359 so a few more there you go here that's that's where the people live median income 27 906 is the household income here that's household so 53 of the people here make 30 000 a year or less that's tough well the median home cost here is only $80,100.

That's how you do it. That helps a little bit, I guess. A little bit of history here. This is funny. This is basically a town made on spite, which is pretty fun. I love when there's a whole town that's just to spite somebody else. So there's a small farming community at first. Ashdown was initially known as turkey flats turkey very attractive

turkey flats and uh later it became keller and then it be it was renamed by a judge named judge lawrence alexander burn he made it ashdown um after i guess the keller mill had burned down to ashes so he called it ashdown holy shit. Because I guess there was some sort of rivalry there, so he was making fun of him. Dark. Yeah, Byrne vowed to rebuild and found a town named Ashdown. So he said, I'm going to rebuild the town myself and call it Ashdown because your shit burned down. It's very weird. So the railroad came in 1895 and that made everything

you know a little more a little more popping uh after world war ii they came in and uh this more kind of industry came in before that it was just freight going on the you know river and shit like that but here instead they had the two rivers brought manufacturing plants. There was a Coca-Cola bottling plant here and a box factory. Okay. Because Coca-Cola needs boxes. And an ice plant to keep it cool. Yeah, because Coca-Cola needs ice. And a pallet plant.

Oh, what about the cops? You ever wonder where pallets come from? Oftentimes I do. People just see them everywhere and you go, who the hell makes these things they seem to be they seem to be free you can just find them laying everywhere that no one where there's a there's a place here where they're pumping them out going man someday this is going to be in an alley leaned up against a dumpster just someday that's where it's going to end up one day some crafty bitch is going to make a pottery thing out of a coffee table out of this it's going to be awesome now for like 30 years but right some crafty fuck's going to make a pottery thing out of this. And a coffee table. Out of this.

It's going to be awesome. Not for like 30 years but. Right. Some crafty fuck's going to hang their plants on the wall with it. No shit. Reviews of this town. There seems to be kind of one or the other. We'll give you four stars here. Everyone

knows everyone. They all go above and beyond to help anyone in need. This is all exclamation points by the way you can find something to eat whether you want a normal chain branches sonic burger king mcdonald's or subway but they also have some food of their own exclamation point uh medranos and jerry's are locally owned owned businesses exclamation point so that seems all friendly and then somebody else has a different take on it they give it one star and it's quote the police will follow the police will follow you if you are black is what this one is they follow me uh they follow me uh behind me on the road for

a long time and they follow my wife i walk in burger king and an officer stares me down i want to be here i don't want to be here long I heard black people come up missing in this town. Oh, my God. Very different views is what I'm getting at. That's night and day. I don't know where the truth lies. It could be both. I don't know.

I was going to say Jerry and the Madronos robbed my family, but this is way worse. That's a lot worse. Yeah, I'm not sure. I've never been there, but wow. That doesn't sound good. Things to do here quickly the hoot fest which takes place at d's barn and venue is what it's called and venue and venue it's a barn but you can also use it the moss brothers band will be there i've heard of a bar and grill i've never heard of a barn and barn and venue it's

a barn and grill it's a different thing the uh a barn and grill. It's a different thing. The Moss Brothers Band will be there. They're billed as one of Texarkana's longest running event bands. That's not positive. That's not great. That doesn't mean anything. That means they've never gotten out of here. That's not good.

I know a lot of guys that have been doing comedy a long time that you've never heard of. Exactly. They're the Moss Brothers probably. Then there's the whistle stop festival and i just have to read there is going to be apparently uh some sort of uh pageant and it says each participant must conduct themselves in a proper manner and portray high moral standards and you also have to every contestant must sell a minimum of 250 raffle tickets or else fuck your morals we don't care else we don't care uh wow uh oh the parent guardian's responsibility to ensure ensure the pageant attire fits properly and is appropriate it's saying says if anything's damaged or ripped it's on you. Any clothing mishaps, any, what do they call the malfunction, whatever the fuck?

Yeah, wardrobe malfunction. Wardrobe malfunctions, that's on you. Then they have a dress code. Infant, baby, tiny, little miss, slash, slash, slash, short party dress or pageant dress. And then it goes on to tell, you know, what the appropriate things are. How short short is. Then it says no verbal or physical abuse will be tolerated and no profanity. At a baby pageant?

I would hope not. Jesus Christ. That means it's happened. Oh, that means it happened a lot. So that said, we know the type of spirit around here where people fight at a baby pageant. Let's talk about a murder, shall we? All right. We've set that up right

now uh we need to go back in time to 1980 for this bad boy okay january 11th 1980 we have uh let's talk about a young man first okay he's 17 years old yeah just a young man taken oh he grew up in the 70s it's just barely the 80s so to him it's still the 70s oh it he grew up in the 70s. It's just barely the 80s. So to him, it's still the 70s. Oh, it's the 70s. The 70s, by the way, decades bleed into each other. Things don't automatically change on New Year. So if you look at anything, watch TV shows from year to year, the 70s lasted until about 84, 83. 83 was like the last year of the 70s.

And the 80s lasted until like 92-ish also. Yeah, and the 90s lasted post-9-11. Like 9-11 was when we, because if you look at the footage of that shit, people dressed like assholes. Yeah, but they. People dressed stupid, and hairstyles were stupid, because it was still the 90s. It was still the 90s, yeah still the 90s yeah you're right that's true they bleed everything from then on everything from 9-11 on it looks exactly the same it just yes everything looks the same the jeans are just a little bit tighter and a little bit looser over

you can tell whatever it is by that day changed a lot yeah you can tell whatever it is by how much a chick had to shave to wear jeans that's it that's all it is oh they're down there that means it's 2005 okay so anyway uh january 11th 1980 so it just turned 1980 here brand new brand new we have a 17 year old kid just yeah loving texarkana thriving his name is herschel glenn murray now murray is without an a m-u-r-r-y i've never seen that in my life it's so strange and i checked it makes sense three different court documents that's how it's spelled so it's got to be right unless arkansas is terrible with every they're not good at spelling i'm not sure or that's just the way it's supposed to be maybe maybe he he goes by glenn though because it's easier than herschel and in texarkana just glenn is a better yo glenn you know sounds more than herschel herschel sounds more like what the hell kind of name is herschel i feel like you're gonna

get a couple of those there so uh now murray 17 he lives it's just him and his mom living in a trailer here in Crossroads, which is outside of Ashdown, which is in the middle of fucking nowhere, essentially. 80 people live there. 80 people, and it's close to the Oklahoma border. It's more toward the border here, okay? Very near the Oklahoma state line. As a matter of fact, his mom's name is Nedra.

N E D R a Nedra, Nedra sharp. And she's been married twice before. She's twice married and divorced and is now single. Just her and her teenage son living in a single wide and, you know, near the Oklahoma border. What a dream. It's a border what a dream it's a dream

really it's a dream this is how fairy tales start yeah it really is once upon a time in a beautiful trailer on a dusty plane the situation's certainly making somebody cry but you gotta hope maybe there's a happy ending. You know what I mean? Maybe this will all come about. But they're doing fine for themselves, though. They're not like, they're not shit bucket type people like we talked about before. They're not like, oh, they're not like that at all. They're both workers. Bills are paid.

Things are happening. Absolutely. Yeah. That's just kind of where they're from. So she works as a licensed practical nurse in a nursing home in Ashdown. Oh, LPN. That's what she does, yeah. So, I mean, she's working.

That's a hard job. It's hard work. And she's doing better than a lot of people. She's got a steady job. In that profession. The next step up, I think, is RN? I have no idea, but listeners will tell us because we have quite a few people in this field i'm looking forward to the inboxes they're going to definitely tell us all about it but we're not

sure either way good for her she's doing something yeah and um he on the other hand glenn he had finished the 11th grade in high school and just kind of went well that's about good for me i think right yeah i think that's about all i needed to cover god's ever i looked over my senior what are we doing next year and i said i don't need any of that i'm good so i'll just fuck off classes senior year who cares i'm not doing that skip days and such no thanks so but he drops out of school but immediately gets a job as a working as a welder for jesus a guy with a company he knows how to weld and this guy takes him under his wing and so he becomes a welder so i mean at 17 this guy's you know an 8 10 hour a day welder in texarkana i mean this is a out there and build some gates my friend jesus christ um so this day

it's a friday afternoon january 11th 1980 so whoo-hoo weekend baby oh here we go shit now everybody's working that's on the radio that's on the radio friday i figure on the way home every fucking week he uh because we'll talk about where he goes i could just picture him listening to somebody at work is like they're kind of cool with music you know it's not just the ario speed wagon that the other guys are listening to he like hooked him up with some Dire Straits. So he's just listening to Sultan's A Swing as he fucking drives. We'll talk about where he's going, and it makes sense here. That's all I could imagine in my head while I was figuring this shit out.

So he gets off work at about 3 or 3.30 p.m., which means he was at work early. Yeah. Yeah, they got him there. 6 a.m., 7 a.m. 6.30, he came through the door. Yeah. Yeah. They got him there. 6 a.m., 7 a.m. Oh, God. 6.30, he came through the door. Fuck. Oh, man.

Imagine that. That is to weld. It's so hard to do. It's hot. Oh, God. So, yeah. Luckily, it's winter. It's not very hot.

But either way. Well, he's arc welding. It's hot. It's hot under there. Yeah. You got all that shit on you, too. Yeah. So, he gets home.

Shortly after that, his mother gets home from work so everybody's ready for the weekend here everybody's not working for the weekend right he leaves at this point though because he's got some business to take care of what do you think that business is jimmy gonna go eat some weed uh no he is actually going out to check on some animal traps that he's set nearby really yeah it's a different type of uh environment here yeah this is uh what kind of animal trap he said hold on a minute go and check on dinner and he went outside that's what he did exactly what he did yeah traps possum groundhog as we found from another episode is apparently a local delicacy in the

in the appalachian region so i mean any of this isn't the appalachian region but it could have spread here we don't know do we know what traps he set or just he just set some animal traps i figure a bunch of them you know what i mean just he's got all sorts of different traps got some cats all sorts of shit yeah i'm sure he's catching everything in there who knows we got the another one of the neighbor's cats god damn it i told these fucking people keep the cats inside i'm trying to catch me a groundhog for breakfast tomorrow so um he then said he leaves after that to go to foreman which is another little town right by here which there's no fucking buddy there another place there he goes to wash his pickup truck. I guess they got to wash himself.

It gets dirty, but yeah. Self-wash place. And he goes there and washes his truck, and then he returns home after that. So he's back home. He's ready to go. He said when he got home, or when he left, his mother was eating. So he said that's what he remembered. So when he gets home, he expects his mother to be settling in.

She had been. Or asleep. Or asleep. But she had been specifically eating fish sticks, he said he remembered. She was down on some fish sticks before he left, which made me. I love fish sticks. They're great. Do you?

I love them. They're wonderful. Yeah, they're terrible and awesome. I just love them. Yeah, they're so fucking good. I could love them. Yeah. They're so fucking good. I could eat a million fish sticks. I could eat as many fish sticks as you put before me. They're like pizza rolls.

I can't do it. Oh, they're great. I love them. I can't do it. Crispy. Are they crispy? If you make them crispy, yeah. I suppose, yeah.

Yeah, don't make them. If people put them in the microwave, then that's a pile of garbage. Oh, God. A microwaved fish. No, no, no. That sounds so gross. They're good in the oven if you do them right. You got to flip them at the right time and do all that.

But if you make them in the air fryer. Are they beer battered or like, yeah? Most of the time they're the breadcrumb batter, which I'd rather have a beer batter, obviously, here. Beer batter, I'll eat anything fried. I don't give a fuck what it is. You can get the frozen pieces of fish that have the beer batter. There's probably a brand with a beer batter fish stick, I sure check gorton's i'm not sure but either camp some shit something but either way i love a fish stick they're wonderful trash food and i love them so

much and i'll eat them forever i don't care they're so good sense but i just can't do it there's something about frozen fish scares the mother fuck out of me i'm a late well there's a lot of frozen fish i don't know a me. There's a lot of frozen fish. Then you don't eat fish in Arizona because all the fish you eat is frozen. No, none of that shit's frozen. What fresh fish are you getting in Arizona? From the fucking meat.

That's frozen. No, it's all fresh, fresh never frozen. Check on that specifically because most of that shit's frozen, though. They say flown in daily. Fresh never frozen. That's what they say.

I don't believe them in Arizona. I don't believe you. I feel like it's, yeah, they're going to fly in there every day. And it's 110 ounces. Dude, listen, there's no reason that I should question a frozen fish. It's fine. No, frozen fish is fine. I question it every time. Better to not. It's i've questioned it every time better to not it's

not frozen but it's also fine if it's frozen i should probably i should probably question thawed out fish in a in a state that's 112 fucking degrees yeah i'm not believing you you flew it in and it's you never froze it well how cold did you keep it how cool at least if it's frozen i know it was cold so like is, how cold are you keeping this on the way here? That's what I'm wondering. I like the mahi. I like that a lot. Good shit.

So, here we go. She's eating fish sticks. He said he didn't eat anything. He did say, though, that he mentioned that his mom was going to, later on, he'll say his mom was going to meet an old friend that evening, a guy from Shreveport. He doesn't know his whole name, but he thinks his name is Lane. He heard his mom say Lane. Louisiana? Yeah, in Shreveport.

Yeah, it's not that far of a drive. He's down in the corner. He's right close to that border. Oh, yeah. Pretty close. Louisiana borders Texas. You're right. It's all right there.

So he said, though, he returned from washing his truck. He takes a shower. He changes his clothes. Yeah. All right. He's getting ready for the night out now. Yeah. He checked his traps.

Which is funny because that's a great. I'm going to get hillbilly gussied. That's a pimp term. He was like, I'm just checking my traps. And then he's going to get gussied. Checking my hoe traps. Yeah. You know.

So he's doing all that. He gets all gussied up for the night. Yeah. You're going to step out to get to some boot scooting. Setting a new trap. Well, wait till you see what he's doing, too. He's borrowing Mom's Trans Am. Yeah.

Because, yeah, I've got to get in Mom's Trans Am if I'm going out for the night. The ladies don't want to get in my truck. They want to get in the Trans Am. Even though it's clean, it's fine. They love it. They love it. So where is Am. Even though it's clean, it's fine. They love it. They love it. So where is he headed for? Betty's Place.

I was going to say it's named after somebody. Betty's Place is where he's going. It's Ted's or George's or whatever, but yeah. It's in Oklahoma, Betty's Place. It's across the border, and it's a local establishment, as it's described in a court document, quote, a local establishment that sold beer and is frequented by young people so those are two things that uh yeah what it is is it's the dazed and confused pool hall that's what it is where there's like they sell beer but there's also kids there drinking beer and it's there's probably a band

that's why i got the sultan's a swing thing he he's going to, he's going to rock it out. This thing's stinky. Yeah. Herschel doesn't care if he doesn't make the scene. That's the lyric. He's got a welding job. He's doing all right. It's not bad.

He's doing, he's doing it. So he, um, he's going there. He's going to Betty's to drink some beer and play some pool. And that's what he does. Him and his buddy play some pool.

He says he went to his friend's house a little later on. And he didn't return to the trailer until 3, 4 in the morning. He was out partying. Big night. I mean, but he's living the life of like a single 30-year-old, like a divorced 30-year-old man is what he's doing. He went to the pool hall after welding all day. Yeah.

Checked his animal traps. Yeah, just doing fine, liking his life here. So he said, though, when he returned to the trailer, things weren't the way they should be. He said he walked in. He said the lights were on. The TV was on. And he looked around. That was the first thing he noticed.

Why is the TV on? You know, mom isn't up at this late hour. And then he notices something even worse than the TV being on. I mean, the electric bill is one thing, but there is blood everywhere. Oh, no. All over the place, just covering the walls and everything, and searched all around. Once he saw the blood, he's, mom, mom, mom's not here. She's missing.

What? Gone. So he said, Holy shit. He ran down the road about a mile away, got in his car, and the Trans Am peeled out and dust clouds behind him. Yeah. He woke up. There's a relative of his that lives about a mile away

and went over to his house and said, you know, Uncle Herb, come on. Get in the Trans Am. Let's go. Fish went over to his house and said you know uncle herb come on get in the trans am let's go he came out fish tail back to the house he came out in his boxer shorts and they fucking peeled out back there they go back to the trailer and um you know and this guy said well let's call the sheriff i don't know why he came and got me so right he calls the sheriff and uh the relative does here deputy gets to the trailer at 409 a.m he was just out cruising and um he just did a general poke around you know just disturb the crime scene fuck up the forensic evidence just a general yeah yeah see like a murder weapon pick it up with both hands look at it put it back down things things of that nature just completely some things yeah just contaminate put his finger in the blood put

it up it's blood lick it it's human blood yeah we know that that's it's everywhere we figured it was blood we guess yeah we didn't figure a possum exploded in here so it's probably blood. She wasn't dipping those fish sticks in ketchup. 1980, rural fucking, rural Arkansas, the guy who's got the 4 o'clock in the morning shift just driving around. How well do you think his blood everywhere investigation skills are? Do you think he's the guy they hand it over to when there's a problem? Probably not. hand it over to when when there's a problem probably not you should probably give that position to the most trustworthy because he's gonna need to do some shit at some point well his job is to go get the call go over there say there's blood all over your house yeah this way open the door look and go holy shit there's a lot of blood and then go we gotta call people to come over and nobody go in this house. And then he puts a thing off.

That's his job. Secure this shit. Don't let anybody touch it. Hire the guy that you want. He went a-poking around is what it is. Just a-poking. Are you sure there's blood? Just a-picking and a-poking.

What's that? Blood? Like I said, lick it, taste it. He leaves then. Okay, this is the other thing. He doesn't call someone then secure the crime scene and wait for them that's procedure of a you find a possible violence that happened and could be a murder we don't know missing person and blood everywhere seems like

a good place to start an investigation is where all the blood is so i'll get my notebook his job from all i have gleaned from everything i've ever read, is his job would be that. Secure the crime scene, keep the two, the relative and Glenn, out of the fucking house, out of the trailer, and secure it off, which is not hard with a trailer. It's a tin box. Seems easy. There's not a lot of entrances, so you can do it. Instead, this guy leaves.

The cop leaves. He goes, I'm going to go get some other officers. This damn radio. I'm a bit out of range. Try not to poke around where there's blood in there. You know what I mean? And leaves these two at this very obvious crime scene. Okay.

Y'all stay here. Y'all stay here. I'm going to go get me other officers. He comes back. Four fucking hours later, he comes back at eight o'clock in the morning. He had to take a nap. That's how long it took him to round up people qualified for this. Number one.

Number two, he left two civilians at a fucking active crime scene alone for four hours. guard this i'll be back they come in around seven yeah i don't know man well you can't get them up early i mean that's now i gotta make coffee for them and really brief them on this the problem is too it's saturday they stay out pretty late on friday so it's gonna be a while let's just put it that way it's gonna be a while you may have seen them down at betty's they probably bought y'all a couple rounds out imagining being y'all real generous fellas so he these officers come in and this must this is ridiculous then they're gonna sit down like well now we're in charge now yeah okay okay they sit glenn down and they ask him about you know where were you the night before?

Have this. What do you know about this whole situation? You came home and there's blood. When was the last time you saw your mom to try to get a timeline here? So, you know, what do you know about your mom's activities? What do you know about her friends? Anybody that, you know, any enemies? The usual questions you ask the relative of a dead person. So they do a crime scene investigation in the trailer and uh they said that this is from the investigation from the report that it was obvious there'd been a fierce struggle there because there's blood from wall to walls fierce struggle

they said blood was on the carpet walls doorsteps and large chunks of hair were found in the trailer as well. Just clumps of hair everywhere. And two small pieces of what appeared to be human skull. Oh my God. So this is, there's obviously been a problem here. This is not, you know,

this wasn't, Oh God, I cut myself and now I'm going to get stitches. This is, there's skull on the ground. That's a problem. Fierce, something fierce.

So, um, they said, is anything missing? They asked Glenn, is there anything missing? Was it a robbery maybe? And he said the day before he gave his mother two $50 bills,

which she put in her purse. So he said, check for those. If you can find those. And the purse was, it looked like the purse had been turned upside down and emptied, and there's no money in there. So he also said she had a.25 caliber pistol, which he couldn't find either. That's missing as well.

So that's an issue. They end up finding that, though, later on. Luckily, it was just misplaced. They found it in the pocket of a jacket found like in the back of his pickup truck the gun the gun in the back of glenn's pickup truck so he's like oh shit i must have taken it a while ago and forgot about it put it in a jacket i am mistaken my mom did not have that i had it yeah he said he must have carried it with him when he went to check his traps one of the days dear god what did you catch in those traps that you brought home that's what i mean what are you doing with these monster

son slaughtered your mother in here and took her money son is this animal revenge we have a theory now stick with me because it's not a usual theory but we think it's possible now you could have killed several members of a particular wild animal's family. At that point, what happens is this thing that, well, not really scientists, but people that work for us call, quote, nature's revenge now. What they'll do is. Have you heard of retribution, boy? They all team up. Could be up to 20, 30 possums, and they'll come over, and they'll just rip your skull apart, and that might be what happened here. Have you been catching a particular amount of a particular species of animal they often follow

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I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of Part 1 and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. the official jinx podcast listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts uh that's that's what they got going on at this point he said that um his cowboy boots with metal toe tips of course he has cowboy boots

with metal tips yes he does this kid man he's 17 he's welding hanging out at betty's till three o'clock in the morning wearing metal toe tip cowboy boots he's 17 years old that's not a child that's a man that's a 38 year old man who now he's not even divorced he never got married because ain't no woman hold me down i'm a free bird that's what he says he's got free bird on the back fucking tailgate of his pickup truck like i'm an air fucking a stenciled airbrush thing free bird james it is it is airbrushed on the front of those boots one boot free one bird bird bird on the back of the boots on the heels free bird because that y'all can see me walking away that's what it is that way you can read it as i'm walking away

from you free why are you leaving look at my he just points down to his boots and keeps walking free bird baby he's a free bird he can't help it it's just a free great that's a great knuckle tat yeah free bird there's probably lots of people that have that. You think they have it? I've never seen it. In America, yes. In the United States of America, I would say, I'm going to say as many as 15,000 to 20,000 people have a free bird tattoo across their body.

Upwards of 4% to 8% of the country. Of the population of Florida, at least the male population, has a free bird. Or they have it written like tupac's thug style across their stomach one or the other oh my god it's so popular i'm telling you i there's i there's maybe more than 20 000 people as soon as you said it i was like that's probably google image it it's fucking everywhere everywhere i guarantee you yeah probably over the rock free bird went over their eyes everywhere i'm telling you bird and songbird that's a whole culture free bird is a whole subculture geez oh

my god somebody did it with a y yeah i can't look at it anymore it's making my stomach sick he's a free bird babe that's how it goes frozen frozen fish yuck yeah frozen fish is fine though it is i'm telling you fresh is better but frozen is good anyway he uh he said that he wore those home from work that day because that's what he wears to work obviously and that um but they were gone his met they stole my boots they stole my metal tips how am i supposed to go boot scooting with no boots so they stole his that and all the clothes that he wore um the clothes that he wore home from work that day were missing as well yeah so when i go murder and i steal dirty laundry what the fuck yeah oh they people go look at this i got some boots and oh a dirty pair of jeans with burn marks and i'm from sparks flying everywhere perfect i can't wait to have these and also

some like night clothes like pajamas they done stole my pjs this is what the fuck is happening those had a glow-in-the-dark slimer on the chest oh man they were the spider-man feedies it looked just like spider-man it was amazing you gotta hold them up to the light and charge them up but then when the lights go out you see spider-man's face you say it i had spider-man pajamas like that when i was like glow-in-the-dark five i don't think they were glow-in-the-dark snow they were just the ones where they were like a spider-man uniform yeah yeah but then i got really excited and tore it off like hulk hogan because I thought that

was cool. I didn't realize that I didn't have a whole other set of, yeah, but that's what I did because I thought that was cool too when I was five. So there you go. Mixing fantasy. While I was eating fish sticks, all this happened, I'm sure. Probably. Someone was stuffing fish sticks into my face saying no these

are good it's fine frozen so he said that's missing his pjs are missing his work clothes are missing oh no my boot scooting boots are missing it's all missing so who could it be that did this terrible thing where the ceo of goodwill trying to stock the shelves? Who left Skull behind? You will donate to Goodwill or leave behind parts of your brain. Holy shit. So that's when he said, well, I mean, I heard there's a guy named Lane that I told you about. She said maybe she's talking to him in Shreveport. I mean, I don't know what's going on.

So they found her telephone book, her little black book here of Nedra. And they found a man named Lane in there. And he had a Shreveport exchange. So they're like, oh, there we go. Maybe it's this guy. Lane Barmore. He's Barmore. B-A-R-M-O-R-E.

More bars. Barmore. He needs to go to the bar more. Lane. He wasn't like he wasn't, like, they weren't steady. They weren't going steady. As a matter of fact, he was married, but they did date him in Nedra. But he was a married man also.

So he was none too thrilled to be getting a call at home from the police saying, hey, going to ask you about one of your girlfriends is missing. And he's got to pretend with his wife like it's someone from work like oh tomorrow three i don't know if i can do a double jesus oh man i gotta wow i might i'm with my wife who i love so much and i don't i want to spend more time with her tomorrow so i don't think i'll be able to make it so um the officers there then get in the car and go right to shreveport um and they do an investigation of blaine and um lane here they find they search his vehicle number one because they're saying well if he came here to the key if he came there he must have got rid of her if he killed her in the trailer he must have taken her in her vehicle probably and if she's bleeding in that trailer he was she was bleeding in a car absolutely so they searched

the car the car is clean but then they pop the trunk uh-huh and there's blood in the trunk oh no they're like lane well you married son of a bitch cheating on your wife what is this blood what is this blood um but that tests out to be animal blood of course it does they find it's there's a shitload of blood too they're like we high five and done case closed Arkansas and Louisiana cops are high-fiving each other we didn't get them off the streets and then they did testing boys and they were like oh it's like a it's like a fucking deer blood or raccoon blood or some shit it's he was checking his traps is all that's i feel like in this area of the country most

people's trunks are full of blood so just finding blood in their trunk is not a red flag at all like doesn't mean anything you gotta check it they were making coats yeah check all the blood make sure it's all animal um and they found out too that he had an he actually had an alibi that checks out and the end so while they're testing it they find out kind of all at once that oh no his alibi checks out and that's not people blood back there so also sorry for blowing up your spot with your wife have a great day never mind and then they send him home and he goes straight from the police station to a divorce lawyer just in case because he knows that he's in deep deep deep deep shit right now for a long time so let me get imagine that james you go get

some strange and then your your question for murder in another state mind you so you're like couldn't be farther no connections this is wonderful i just know her because she wiped my mom's ass in a nursing home and instead here come multiple state police forces and they want to swab your trunk out for human blood and check your alibis and then your wife has to provide you an alibi so they don't think you killed your girlfriend who you're banging on the side that's a bad day right there that's a bad bad day for everyone involved for the wife for the husband is why you don't cheat on your spouse that shit like that could mean he didn't kill her he has nothing to do with anything and here he is it could all come down get some strange with a with a consenting adult. In another state. He crossed state lines to do this.

That's the amazing part. And it still just tracked him there. Still ruined his life. Him and his wife are the two victimized people so far in the story. Unless we find Nedra in a bad place then, obviously. So far he is the most shrapnel that's involved. He's going, well, what the fuck happened here? Jesus Christ, man.

Shit. He's got to tell his friend at work, so why you need to sleep on my couch for a few days? And he's like, it's such a long story, I can't even explain it to you. And when I do, you're not going to believe it. We're going to have to have a lot of beer over this. I'm telling you. Well, I'll tell you what. While you're airbrushing that Freebird stencil on my pickup hood, we'll discuss it because it's going to take about that long. You dropped that knuckle tat stencil.

Come on now. Well, I'm going to get the tat. It was saying you put it on match my truck. That's what you do. You match your truck, Jimmy. That's how things work. That way people know it's mine obviously now they get about two weeks later two weeks go by nothing they just have nothing

they're like well one lane i don't know two weeks go by all they have is a blood spattered trailer some skull pieces and uh a big shrug of the shoulders we have no idea what's going on and if walt hadn't rolled around in there no no no until kind of the the ultimate i guess you could call it unforced error occurs here um two weeks after the incident the police receive a letter the ashdown police department receives a letter which was printed in large like capital letters like a child took a crayon and fucking held it in their hand like a fist like a an eye pir was a good person but she had to die for she did not want to marry me so apparently to marry me by the way she won't to marry me okay had to die because she won't marry me apparently is the translation out of texarkana into the rest of english um i loved her but i had to do it i half h-a-i-f half to kill the boy too

t-o he will die too i know and oh where he. I put Nedra under some treetops about 1,000 yards east of the old house place at Penny. The boy is dead too. Means dead too. Yeah. That's the end. By the way, just wanted to remind you, in case you didn't remember from two lines ago, I'm going to kill that boy too. You better protect him.

I'm going to kill the boy. Okay. Love better protect him. I'm going to kill the boy. Okay. Loved Nedra. Didn't marry me. Had to kill her. Used to love her, but I had to kill her, number one. Yeah. That's his other song that he sings.

Big Guns N' Roses fan. Huge. Used to love her, but I had to kill her. Blah, blah, blah. Going to kill the boy, obviously, as well. Here's where Nedra buried her out here. She's over by a thousand yards east of the old house place. And just to close it out, in reminder, boys dead too.

Y'all have a good night. That's the letter. That's the whole letter. Wow. Okay. That is fascinating. That's what they receive in the mail. That's rambling.

That's so incoherent. No punctuation either, by the way. Fuck yeah. This is just one paragraph that's a town review is what that is it absolutely is that's just beautiful he went right from here to yelp and did just littered it with every place he's ever eaten i don't like this place very much people were mean to me food was delicious hot and at a good price but lady looked at me wrong my kid peed on the floor sure but you could be nicer one star ruined my anniversary

it ruined grandpa's funeral fuck you taco bale now um the sheriff's office calls glenn in and at this point this is the first time that now they they read his rights to him because now they're going to ask him some questions that aren't where where you know you know anything about your mom and what she was up to and they say do us a favor give us 10 samples of handwriting so they make them do 10 handwriting samples okay 10 samples 10 samples and they they had him write what the letter said they had him write the same words they didn't show him the letter right but they had they read it to him write this down okay so they give this to an expert which i don't know where they found an expert around here and

handwriting but there's got to be somebody there's a college nearby or something so whoever won the spelling b this year yeah i um who's that smart kid uh isn't like what is the seventh eighth grade right now who's he i want him check who's that kid that can spell elephant ah i always had trouble with that one so i know how to spell free bird though that i'll tell you what that's my best eight letter word right there who's that kid that knows how to spell receipt oh silent letters now sees it sound like s's and silent shit that one's a eyes before ease it's got it all p's you don't close your lips for it's crazy so they they give these to an expert and an expert goes oh yeah this guy wrote that letter by the way the expert said this that handwriting absolutely matches that guy this letter so they glenn sit down for a minute we gotta talk to you okay yeah um he said what the fuck this letter

we have an expert says this is your handwriting. So that would mean that you wrote this letter, which would mean that we think you might have killed your mom. So let's have a chit chat about that, shall we? And, you know, what's going on? So two hours go by of this and him kind of hemming and hawing and saying, I don't know what you're talking about. And then he said, I'm going to tell you something. Oh, I did write the letter. You're right. I did.

He said, I had to write it when I was in Louisiana with relatives in the last week. His mom, she's missing. So, you know, we were all gathering together. He said, so he said, what happened was a man stopped me on the road while I was driving in Louisiana. All right. A man stopped me on the road while I was driving in Louisiana, right? And he jumped on in my pickup truck, as people do as you're driving on the highway. He jumped in and held a pistol on me. Oh. I was scared.

I'd never seen this guy before, right? So he threatened to shoot me if I didn't do exactly what he said. I was like, well, I mean, shit, mister, you win. You know, I mean mean what you got me to do i'm gonna do what you say he said the man told him that he had his mother i have her and unless you do exactly what you're told i'm gonna kill her she's gonna die yeah so they said well jesus that sounds harrowing uh what what did this man look like i mean he must have it must be burned in your brain till the end of time he sat next to you in an enclosed pickup

cab right no more than fucking 14 inches from you held a gun on you told you he was going to kill your mother like how did that and he said he could only give a general description. Yeah. White guy, brown hair, you know, one of those. Around 5'10 to 6'4. Yeah. He said it was very tired, too, very difficult to make out kind of what his face was like because the whole time he was very upset and crying. So when people cry, their faces are contorted. It was real blurry. It was through tears.

It was tough. contorted real blurry it was through tears it was tough um so he said all right and he had to pull over and the man had had glenn write down exactly what he was told he said write this down yeah okay made him write it all down put it in an envelope and then he said now you go mail that to the goddamn police yeah that's right i'm doing myself you got to be in your handwriting buddy i'll be at the post office so glenn said that he decided after that not to tell anyone about it because that's what you would do when your mom's missing and someone makes you write a ransom letter about her to the police you go oh shit i don't want to tell nobody about that christ i won't say a word jesus that's that could help the investigation

so that's that's what he did so they said come on they said glenn we think that you come on bro like that's not a very believable story and he said i don't know i'm telling you i was fucking cutting a rug you know with a girl named linda lou i don't know what was going on and then i came over here and here i am that's i don't know man brain and two-step cranking and then this and then this and i gotta write letters you know i dropped out of school because i don't want to write that's the whole point and now you got me writing this is ridiculous so they he's still denying well this is happening since based on the letter, they search 1,000 yards east of the old house out there in Piney. They're like, fuck it, let's do that.

So eventually, this is on January 31st, so three weeks total, they discover a shallow grave near the old Piney Cemetery. It's right by the cemetery it's uh it was near an old home near the old home place is what it's called approximately one and a half miles from their home from glenn and nedra's home uh the grave was covered with dead pine tree tops and located at the edge of a sage grass field so actual tree tops near the cemetery which psychologically makes a lot of sense that if you kill your mother you don't dump your mother in a gutter put her in a final resting you put her near the cemetery like as close as it you could you know what i mean like even if you're almost there this is best i could do yeah that's what it is like you're right you're close if they

if if they have a lot of bodies they have to extend it eventually that you'll be in the cemetery. But for now, to put you in there, I'd have to do paperwork and make phone calls. You can't do that, obviously. So I'm going to put you out of here. You'll be fine. So that makes a lot of sense psychologically. That's why sometimes killers cover the things because it's a guilt thing. And this would make sense if you killed your mother.

So they think of that also because you don't have to be a psychiatrist. Yeah, I thought of it. It's genius yeah one and two together it's pretty easy here so um now the autopsy what the hell happened to her they find that she's been killed by strangulation numerous knife wounds as well oh god dear and blows to her head oh so they said it's really a it's a potpourri really is what they said. It's a lot of different reasons to die. The pieces of skull found in the trailer did come from her skull because they matched the spots with the skull missing. Her voice box had been crushed in one of the blows.

Jesus. And when she was strangled and they said she was strangled by someone right handed. This was manual strangulation. So no rope, no rope. Someone's right handed and her son is right handed, which so is 90 percent of the population. So that's not a that's not a lot. At one point, she'd been this is from the autopsy impaled on the trailer floor by a large knife. Oh, like she fell onto a large knife.

The knife, which matched the wounds and the cut in the floor, too, they found a cut in the floor, was about 12 feet from the body when they found it. So it was still there. They asked Murray about it here, the kid, Glenn, and he identified it as an old antique knife that his

former stepfather found while working on a pipeline. They were like, okay, terrific. What the fuck? I guess so. She was found wrapped in bedclothes, wrapped in pajamas, by the way, and tied with

the belt and tied up with a belt to her robe as well. She had a robe on and then he wrapped her up in that and closed it with a belt to uh her robe as well so she had a robe on and then he wrapped her up in that and closed it with a belt basically yeah and then it was put in a grave near the cemetery so this is very much like i'm making a makeshift funeral yeah it's very packed yeah it's very fucking weird um they also found um a shovel outside the trailer they lived. It was in a hole that was being dug to house a foundation for a CB radio antenna, as one does in 1980.

Yeah, absolutely. After they found Nedra's body, one of the officers had the shovel examined, and in a splintered part of the handle was found a thread which was proven to be consistent with the fabric of the belt to her robe wow so yeah got snagged that deep into that yeah unbelievable no dna but that's pretty good um yeah they also found blood specks in the cab of his truck that were determined to be human blood as well. No DNA, but they match up, you know, whatever general blood type. So other evidence here in the case is his, what he said. He told them that he left. He told different officers different things.

He told at least two of the officers that he left the trailer at 4.30 or 5 to wash his truck, and his mother had prepared some fish sticks before he left. He said his mother ate, but he didn't. So that's important because later on he'll say that he didn't remember her eating. So it's a weird thing. Medical examiner does an autopsy, and the weather conditions since the body's been there were very cold. And she was in the ground so she's very well preserved actually well preserved enough that they're able to determine that she died

within 30 minutes or an hour after she ate supper where they found undigested fish in her stomach uh-oh fish sticks and uh that way and he was able to accurately just get a time of death that way so in the first the first version he gave to police if that was true then he was at the trailer when she was killed which would have been well before 8 p.m which was about the time that he left the trailer that evening after trap checking truck washing showering and all that he was seen in town washing his truck by his friend don cleghorn his friend said that he saw glenn at the car wash between 6 30 and 7 or between 6 30 and 7 30 that's early so he would have been why yeah that's what i mean well that was that's when he left to go to betty's was at

8 so 6 30 and 7 30 he would have to wash the truck come home take a shower get dressed and head out by 8 so he said this is what his friend said, he saw what appeared to be tufts of hair in the back of his truck, the back of the pickup truck while he was washing it. Murray told him it was from a deer because he had killed a deer. That's what Glenn told his friend. Glenn said that he told his friend, yeah, he told him he killed a deer and he was washing out his pickup truck because he didn't want to get caught by the game and fish people because he didn't have a whatever the fuck.

Yeah, yeah. So then later on he said he had not killed a deer that day, but he killed one several days before. So he switches that story up. And he said that he was at the car wash between 530 and 6. That's an entirely different time. Absolutely. Now, a relative of Murray, of Glenn here, who lives in the vicinity, another one, he said he saw Glenn as he drove by the trailer that night, this other guy's trailer,

shortly between 6 p.m. and 620. So he was out on the road between 6 and 620 p.m. So he's out at that time he saw glenn pull out from behind the trailer in his pickup truck at that point and pull off he said that murray was going very slowly behind him for 75 to 100 yards and he said this was weird because glenn usually drives super fucking fast and he was just like hanging. I can't have you see what's inside this truck. Yeah, so he just hung in the back there. This relative said he continued on down the road, and after he topped a hill, Glenn's vehicle didn't follow him.

And between where they lived and the hill was the turnoff to the Piney Cemetery. Oh, shit. Yeah, this is all we're creating a timeline of him and where he goes. So now this guy's name is John Oglesby, the relative. He said the next day when he learned what happened

and the investigation for a missing person, he said he went down the road toward the cemetery himself. He's going to do a little investigating. What is with these people investigating? Well, then again, the cops leave a crime scene open for four hours. Maybe you should do the investigating. He said he drove into a sage grass field near the cemetery and saw that tracks had been left by a vehicle, which he got down like a detective and looked at the tire marks and said that they'd been left by a vehicle with large mud grip tires and it

appeared that a short gauge vehicle had made the circle in the dirt so oh yeah it's got a little wheelbase exactly so glenn happens to have a four-wheel drive chevy love pickup truck the luv a little one yeah the tiny tiny wheelbase yep which had extra large mud grip tires on it. He lifted a love. Identical. This is very much, he lifted a love. Absolutely. They showed that his mother's body, Nedra's body,

was found not too far from the tracks on the vehicle as it made, the tracks on the vehicle were found not too far away from where the body was found as it made the tracks in the vehicle were found not too far away from where the body was found as it made a turn into the field so june 1st 1980 okay six months six months have gone by almost glenn is just hanging out he's in the trailer alone he report he calls the cops and says i just somebody came in and shot me that guy from the letter he must he must have found me him yeah he said he was shot at several times he had a bullet hole in the webbing of his left hand and he had a a bullet wound in his shoulder as well yeah um they they

said the they did a full investigation of it and they came to the conclusion that they were self-inflicted wounds. Shot himself. Not good. So they go, you're under arrest, you fucking idiot. They lock him up, $100,000 bond, so he's in there, he can't get out. He ends up going to trial, and at trial, he testifies,

he denies that he told the officers that his mother had eaten early that evening when he came home. He said she didn't eat until he left that evening that evening about 7 45 or 8 the second time this was critical because the medical examiner said she died shortly after she ate and he was already at betty's by then so how could he be the guy that's his story so um yeah it's it's it's pretty fucking silly his story is it's tough it's all circumstantial there's no dna back then so it's all circumstantial but yeah but when the story you give lines up with

the timeline of the murder and then you change it to make the timeline not fit up yeah now it looks really now you look guilty as fuck man but are they prosecuting him if it's not for that letter maybe not they're just going to be suspicious of him but they have no real that's the that's the hook where they said where they said you wrote this letter and he went okay there's a guy now you got him telling a silly story rather than just maybe it was 6 30 and not six which is a more manageable mistake that people could make whereas sure i wrote the letter so he this is the most unforced error ever he was just like bored probably or paranoid or whatever it was so the prosecution's case here they um they don't

have any motive either for this at all that's the other thing what's the fucking motive yeah you're living a great life you're 17 you got mom's trans am you got a great job and she is she charging your rent other than he didn't want her there rather than getting his own place. He's like, I'll just take this one and kill mom. What a crazy thought. He could have just got his own place. There's no eyewitnesses.

Obviously he never confessed to the murder. So that's, that's a tough one there. Um, he said that, um, when he was questioned about her, the man named Lane,

she refused to tell him all. He named Lane, she refused to tell him. He kept saying that she refused to tell me anything about Lane. So I still he's trying to blame Lane at the trial there. He also admitted that she had hit him before. She struck him, but he said he never struck her. And he said that she curses at him all the time, but he's never cursed at her. He's always very respectful of his mother, he says. God damn it.

Well, you're 17. Yeah, you should be. That's what I mean. He's like, I'm Mark Weldon. Damn it. I'll tell her. He's always very respectful of his mother, he says. God damn it. Well, you're 17. Yeah, you should be. That's what I mean. He's like, I'm Ark Weldon, damn it. I'll tell her, shut up, bitch, and give her the back of my hand, Freebird style. You know what I'm saying? Hop in her Trans Am, go on down to Betty's, do some boot scooting, and find me a little piece of sugar.

You know what I'm saying? A little cute. A little songbird. A little songbird. So then he said that basically he's been the head of the household in recent years. He's been taking on responsibility of doing things that his mother couldn't do. And he said that, you know, it's tragic, but, you know, I didn't do it. So that's all there is to it.

So it goes to the jury. And they have to decide, who else could it possibly be? Did he kill his mom? And they find him guilty of murdering his mom because he clearly killed his mother. There's really no... He said he wrote the letter. Without the letter, I'm going, oh, this is thin to convict somebody. With the letter, I'm a thousand percent.

You wouldn't say, all right, I wrote the letter, but here's what happened. That's the biggest load of shit yeah if he went nobody yeah nobody held a gun to you while you cried that's no while they cried not him he said the guy with the guy was crying not him yeah he was fine he was steady hand writing this letter he said the guy with the gun was like you gotta write this letter like tears streaming down his, which makes it even more ridiculous. So it goes to the jury for the it goes to sentencing here. And let's see here. You, sir, you young man may fuck off life in prison without parole.

Oh, they got him good. Yeah. So he appeals saying, first of of all i wasn't mirandized till two weeks into this they must have suspected me and the cop said you aren't a suspect the response is that he wasn't a suspect they never questioned him in a suspect way all they questioned him about was his mother's movements who she knows yeah he was questioned as a helpful part of the investigation. It wasn't until the letter that he was a suspect.

And then and once they cleared the lane, a bar more guy, then he became a suspect. Then they Mirandized him. And the court agrees on that one. And the other thing is, can you give a 17 year old life without parole? Well, I guess the Supreme Court says sometimes is basically what they say here about this. They have a whole thing about it where they say the imposition. He argues that the Supreme Court decision bars the imposition of life without parole sentences on juvenile offenders. So he says it's a direct violation of that but this is that law is only applicable uh in arkansas when a mandatory

life sentence is imposed without the sentencers being able to take into account how children are different and how blah blah blah so if if arkansas had a mandatory life without that would be a challenge but because the judge had a choice and chose to put him in jail for life without that's not that's doesn't fall under this ruling so you're perfectly fine keep on fucking off they tell him and he believe i believe he's still in prison he's 60 years old now and uh he's 60 years old he would never get out his appeals failed that was that he never had a chance to do it yeah i would say so there you go that throw it away ash down arkansas he had a life go he could have just moved out had some fun i don't know what the hell he was thinking shit what did

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