Small Town Murder - #319 - Satanic Stupidity - Sanford, Maine

Episode Date: September 23, 2022

This week, in Sanford, Maine, when a neighborhood girl disappears, then is found, half in a river, covered in sticks & leaves, police interview over one hundred people, in the hopes of getting some kind of clue that may lead them to the killer. Attention quickly focuses on a neighborhood teenager, with a creepy history, a love for girls that wear purple, and a real penchant for Satan, and anything remotely Satanic! He has a history of scaring girls in school, and stealing grapes, but could he have done something so horrific?? And is there a murderous cult roaming these small town streets??Along the way, we find out that Maine really wants you to eat pumpkins, that three high school idiots don't equal a cult, and that you tripped over a body isn't a good excuse for murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay and choo-choo! Oh, yay Town Murder Express. Yay and choo choo. Oh yay indeed Jimmy, yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo, I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us all aboard the murder train pulling away from the station. We have as usual a crazy episode today and this is our 25th Small Town Murder Express.

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go on a trip here but before we do that let's sit back clear the lungs what do you say everybody whoever wherever you are out there and hopefully not too public of a place. Sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's go. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. We're going to a very nice place. We're going to Maine. Oh, it's so rad. I know that's your favorite place, so it is nice.

We're going to Sanford, Maine, and is southern maine in the little panhandle there next to new hampshire where it all kind of comes sanford's right there it's right there yeah not too far from old orchard beach where we did an episode a long time ago so the town motto here explore create grow so there you go commas lots of commas in our well no these are their own sentences explore period create period grow period that's the tweet that's it um population 21,253 people here so it's a good size and it's a nice area obviously in terms of it's a desirable area to live close to the ocean not too too far southern maine southern maine is the warmer part of maine obviously yeah it's really it's less fucking beautiful it's less canada here than yeah anything else it's more you know new england so median income here is about for the households

about 44,123 median home price about 261,800. So it's kind of a, don't tell anybody. Don't tell a soul. So it's kind of a middle class area for Maine because there's a lot of expensive areas. If you go any closer to the water, it gets very pricey. Quick history of this town. The river, the Moosom River, which runs through here, that created power for industry. So there was a sawmill on it as early as 1745 so i mean it was it's been cranking out here they had they had the good the good all mills in 1867 that came in here where they made mohair plush for upholstering

railroad seats carpets draperies autoies, auto fabrics, military uniform fabric, and Palm Beach fabric for summer suits. Oh. Yeah. So if you were wearing like some sort of mohair, if you had a mohair railroad seat, you know where it came from. I don't even know what mohair is. It's like what they made sweaters out of in the 70s.

Oh, like the really thick wool ones yeah yeah something like that so in uh 54 1954 burlington mills which was the nation's largest textile firm bought the mills and then closed the plants and left shit loads of people unemployed pretty much ruined the economy of the town for a while here uh but they stuck with it and now has diversified industries there's biotech industries here cool place doesn't mess around they did a movie about this actually back in the day about the town and how it perseveres and all this stuff it starred jason robards so who the fuck is that jason robards you've seen him he's in a he's an old man in every 80s movie. Oh, okay. Yeah, Jason Robards.

Now, also, because of the murder that happened here, this town was referred to all over the country as Terror Town. Oh, shit. Terror Town, USA, where we're going here. Wow. A couple reviews of this town. Five stars. By the way, this is all capital letters letters which to me is a sign of a dangerous person they're lying uh here there needs to be more things to do in sanford besides the bowling

alley and movie theaters schools are pretty good and the town itself is pretty calm all five stars all capital all caps four stars you're so close to so much shit stop it who cares well this person is doesn't care what else is around they found what they like four stars the apple bees in this area is great it's located right in the plaza where it's always busy it's family oriented and has great service terrific great they don't understand this isn't yelp this is I didn't get that from Yelp. This is a site about the town. This town rules. They've got an Applebee's. It's so awesome.

It's always super busy, which is what you want in an Applebee's, to be packed all the time. Full of families constantly. Here's three stars. Very short one. One sentence. The weather changes daily. It's always different. Well, that's really daily. You say the weather changes daily it's always different well that's really daily

you say the weather's different every day it goes wow it goes cold to warm back to cold that's that's crazy sun comes up in the morning fucking falls in the evening every day never three stars stay up or stay down i'd be happier three stars here's two two stars sanford is my hometown and i lived here until i left for college it's stay up or stay down, I'd be happier. Three stars. Here's two stars. Sanford is my hometown, and I lived here until I left for college. It's a pretty crappy town. Not a lot to do and definitely not the safest. I lived in a good neighborhood outside of downtown, but we still had creepy experiences. Some lady tried to get into my car in the driveway in broad daylight and proceeded to get into our neighbor's truck.

My freshman year of high school, it might have been like a lost old lady with dementia or something. Yeah. I want more details. In the years that you lived there, one person tried to get in your car, and that's creepy? Oh, my freshman year of high school, someone was stabbed in the bathroom, and it seemed like there was constantly fights. That happened in my high school, too. That's high school. Yeah. What do you want?

Sanford always has a drug problem, heroin and cocaine, and it's only getting worse when people ask where i was born i'm embarrassed to say i'm from here jesus christ they do what you describe doesn't sound like the worst place in the world so calm down calm down you should have been raised in the south bronx i'd love to hear your review then you didn't see rapings or stabbings or killings on the street yeah i think it's a pretty decent place things to do here the great pumpkin festival and pumpkin pie eating contest oh if i can tell you how much these people love fucking pumpkin up there oh that's a it's it's a pumpkin i say fucking i think they fuck pumpkins they it's a it's the pumpkin fuck fest in 2022. Come down.

So this is the annual fall event, which includes crafts and games and giant pumpkin way off, a pumpkin catapult, of course. Hell yeah. It's a free event for the whole family. There's also a scarecrow contest. Yeah. Then there is the actual pie eating contest which is these chamber of commerce is behind this thing here it's uh registrations free six adults 15 and up and six youth 10 to 14 years old only pumpkin pies this is any pie this is oh no this is pumpkin pie yeah you have to eat your

pie is that's a great oh too think about, they're so dense. Oh, you're going to puke that up. God, that's crazy. You need a lighter pie. Yeah. That said, about people joking, let's talk about a murder, shall we? All right. All right, let's do this.

Let's go back to 1984, and we're basically going to have, going to introduce you to kind of like a very eddie munson type if you are a stranger things watcher here yeah um because this is that time period 84 april 29th 84 we're going to start out with to be exact it's a sunday yeah sunday small town very nice the clocks springtime clocks were just changed that evening by the way got it the two o'clock in the morning that morning yeah so no one knows what fucking time it is today everybody's which kind of comes into a to be a problem in the murder when they're trying to nail down issues and there is no one knows what time it is because they don't know if they set their clock ahead yet they're like i don't remember if i set my watch ahead already so damn clocks it's a mess so let's talk about scott waterhouse just like it sounds water house um he's 18 years old he is a high school junior which makes me think he definitely

failed a grade or two held back a little bit he's 18 and a junior or he had a late birthday and a hold back and then you end up like that so that mom found out he had to be in school when he was six that could have oh my god jesus i thought you were getting old to sit around holy jesus i've just been having you watch cartoons all day so his life's been a little bit of an issue always he's had problems he was born with health problems oh no he was born with this is a quote from his mother quote he was born with no hip joint on either side just no side no no apparently on one side he had one hip just got like fused leg his other hip with the legs just dangling free i suppose if there's no joint the leg must have just been dangling off by skin

or is it solid no no no no no it just was a oh my god he just had like a a bread bag for a leg yeah he had the leg was formed there was just no hip joint He just had like a bread bag for a leg? Yeah. The leg was formed. There was just no hip joint to put it in. There's a loaf of bread in there. There's just... Just dangle it off as a baby. Oh, my God.

It's a tiny loaf of bread. It's like a little French roll for a little sub, a little six-inch sub. What do you do for that? Well, apparently she said, quote, so they made him one. Oh. Yeah. He also had a knee operation at some point and two hernia operations and had a ruptured disc in his back so this kid's a mess poor yeah poor baby by 18 he's a

fucking i mean physically everybody says he walks with a limp the hip thing he the he never got to walk properly he always walks with a little bit of a limp like you can always tell his gait you know what i mean one of those guys he uh older brother, Jim, he's the youngest of five children, by the way, also. So he's also the baby. His older brother, Jim, who's three years older, he said he's a skinny little guy. He's not a very big kid. I'd say he's kind of mellow. Take it easy. It's hard for him to get to the gym. Yeah, yeah. He's not a lot to do. So instead, he becomes he's a drummer in the school band.

That's what he does. OK. So the mother said he's always been the favorite of the other brothers and sisters. Like, oh, they all dote on him because he's the baby. So that's kind of how it goes. He's got issues. Yeah. Everybody takes care of him.

You kind of gather around when it comes to that kind of thing. Issues. Yeah. Everybody takes care of him. You kind of gather around when it comes to that kind of thing. That's probably why he's older in junior year, because he probably had some fucking time out of school for these operations. Well, yeah, he had multiple. He's had so many operations. I'm sure that didn't help at all.

He had one minor brush with, well, a couple minor brushes, but his mother says one minor brush, and we'll talk about it here. His high school principal said, quote, there's been no serious behavioral problems with him. Just this little shit. We'll find out some stuff here. He basically, he smokes weed. He takes a little acid here and there, drops a couple of hits of acid, fucks around, likes metal music.

Who cares? He's Skeleton's Frankenstein. He plays drums in the band he wants to play in a you know he's just that kid he's a head-banging kid 1984 picture eddie munson sitting there eddie munson with a limp so he um at that point um his mom also has some stuff to say about him here because she likes him his mom likes him and she's gonna be nice to him the whole time she says quote i've never had any trouble with him except for maybe a year ago. He got in with some other kids, and they supposedly broke into a car and stole some grapes and stuff.

What? The great grape caper? The great grape. No, that's not what it is. The great grape caper. The great grape graft of 1983 not what it is. Great grape paper. The great grape graft of 1983 is what this was. The gaping grape graft.

So they stole some grapes and stuff. Yeah. And then they gaped the grapes. They gaped it hard. Oh, God. Oh, boy. His mom said, but he paid. They gaped it hard. Oh, God. Oh, boy. His mom said, but he paid. He got six months probation. He swore up and down he didn't do it even after he got probation.

Who cares if he did it? It's grapes. Who cares? Who gets a chance? It's a bunch of teenagers broke into a car and stole grapes. I don't care about this. I don't care. Did he steal it from a Robert Mondavi grape orchard?

What do we give a fuck? Did he take down a warehouse full of grapes from a vineyard? If not, I don't give a shit. Did he go to Napa and fucking take them all? Is this a mafia operation? Probably not. It's probably a bunch of kids who are like, hey, those grapes look pretty good. And you know what?

If they're teenagers and they're eating fruit, the mother had to be like, at least he's eating fruit. I mean, don't steal the fruit, but thank you for eating fruit the mother had to be like at least he's eating fruit you know i mean don't don't steal the fruit but i'm thank you for eating fruit i've been trying to get the kid to eat fruit and he's doing it fortunately he steals it but you know yeah there's a talk that needs to be had but i think that's about as far as this goes we don't need to involve the police but i think this might explain it to um the end of this sentence coming up she also said as far as i know he's never been violent he gets mad once in a while like any kid. He's a typical high school kid.

He has his drums downstairs. He likes rock music and all that stuff. He eats all the time. The kids called him the garbage disposal. He eats and eats and eats and he never puts on any weight. That's not a nice thing to tell anybody. That's probably a compliment to a 15-year to a 15 year old kid yeah you want to be known as that i i was proud of that my grandfather used to marvel at the way i'd eat as a kid you're

like look at him go this is great give him more he thought it was the greatest thought it was hilarious it's still going in it's crazy look at him go i swear he used to go crazy about that shit so this sunday he's scott has uh he Scarborough Downs, which is – I guess it's the Harness Racing Tracks opening day. So the high school band has been contracted to play there. So that's where he is playing the drums in the – playing the snare drum in the high school band. For a horse racetrack? For a – oh, yeah, harness racing. I don't know.

Is that dogs? I don't know. It could be anything, I guess. I go harnesses when they're in that little cart behind it, I think. Is it? Yeah racing i don't know is that dogs i don't know it could be i don't know what the fuck i got harnesses when they're in that little cart behind it i think is it yeah i don't know it's like a little chariot thing i don't know is it i don't fucking know i suppose you put a harness on anything and race it i that's what i mean it could be anything who knows so the band gets back to sanford at about 5 p.m his mother said i picked him up about 10 past 5 and he said i'm gonna go for a walk and get something to eat.

So he takes off and goes for a walk. Now, he has had another problem is the thing here. He had a little bit of an issue the year before with a girl who played flute in the high school band as well. Oh, Jesus. She was 15, and he was super into her and wrote her some fucking creepy letters. Really? Let's just say that yeah um they the first letter she he asked her to meet him hey meet me that'd be fun we could have fun um she didn't show up she said okay and then stood him up i don't know if she even

answered but either way he went to the he went to the rendezvous point and nothing happened. So then he sent her another that said, quote, I will get my rightful due, my dear, and you will be repaid for this. Well, that's not much. That is way over the top. I mean, good Lord. What are you talking about? I hope her dad doesn't find that. Are you like a 17th century monarch that your wife cheated on you with the monarch of another country and has embarrassed the whole land?

And now there's going to be a war between the peoples and you will be repaid for that? The fuck are you talking about? You're 16 and... Get my just desert. I will get my just desert. You will get your just desert. my just dessert you will get your just dessert so uh in the first uh after this the final letter here um he placed in her flute case okay this is four days ago by the way before may 29th okay this has been going on prior to the walk for for a snack to for the walk for a snack okay so

sunday this is like thursday of that of that Wednesday or Thursday of that week. He placed a note in the flute case saying, quote, Jesus Christ, make the best of your every waking moment from now on because your days are numbered. Oh, my God, sir. Then in the same note, he also asked her to please wear a purple top and purple socks. I like purple, too. too and he said if you did it would look great yeah but if you don't and you don't acknowledge me then your days are numbered you know how it goes days are numbered you understand how this goes so watch watch snaps

a little bit little bit fucking there he also stole her shoes what he stole her shoes jimmy why do you you're not gonna he stole her shoes i don't know if it was in gym class when she had her sneakers on he snagged her shoes or whatever but he also he said that basically you need to meet me alone if you want your shoes back because i'm not going to give them to you otherwise otherwise he said if anyone else is involved in any way you will lose not only your clogs but possibly your life and that's yeah and then he said make the best of your every waking moment from now on because your days are numbered when she didn't answer that note so oh my this is this week so he's kind of a creepy kid let's just say that yeah he doesn't know he's 18 and that can put him away for a long, long time. Yeah, I don't think at any age your instinct should go here, but either way, this is a creepy kid.

He's not very hip, Jimmy. No. He's not with the kids. This is terrible flirting. Awful. Really awful flirting. Real bad stuff. So there's some woods by his house.

Yeah. Okay. Apparently it's been left underdeveloped on purpose here. Oh. It's a pad because between this neighborhood, there's this neighborhood, then there's woods, and the river is right there. Whatever that was, the Musam River or whatever. And then there's a concrete manufacturing plant, which apparently it's very, very loud to manufacture concrete. Really, you got to cut it and break it.

No, no, James, it's worse. There's mining involved and there's belts that move the materials to mix it all. And then you have a big belt that puts it into the mixers and the mixers are loud as fuck. It's all just loud all day. That's just why there's woods here. The concrete has nothing to do with the story. I'm just telling you how loud a concrete is. No, no, I know.

I didn't want to get too far into the concrete because it would be going away from it. People would be like, where's the concrete plant in all this story? I'd be like, no, no, no, that's not part of it. Don't worry about it. People take things and they start going down roads because they were telling a story. So when they go down the wrong road, they're like, wait a second,'m at a dead end what happened there's like there was supposed to be a concrete plant where's the concrete so what do i do talk about it more fucking smart nary a mixer down here nothing i don't see a belt or anything so he i guess he would often take walks in the woods he

takes walks in the woods to smoke joints everybody all the neighborhood kids use the woods to smoke weed in because that's what woods are for when you're a teenager that's where i smoked most of my weed it was in woods you find even if it's a patch of eight trees if you can get in there and gather you're like okay with the work this is our area now there's there's no this is this is international waters there's no fucking rules there's no adults adults. It's all ours in the woods. They create a blanket. That's what it is. So his mother said he was always in the woods.

He's gone down to those woods all his life. If anything upset him, he always went down there. He's hanging out in the woods. So at the same time, other kids hang out in the woods. All the kids of various ages hang out in the woods. We're talking the teenagers smoke weed. The little kids go just play in the woods because it's the woods. There's climb trees.

You do shit. So this is pre phones. Yeah, there's no rules in the woods. This is where we all just get to be kids. The best video game in the world was Atari at this point. That was the best game system, 2600. So think about that there's not how often how much you're going to play defender before you're bored and you got

to go outside in the woods trust me it's not good so eventually you get to a level that everything's way too fast it's just too fast these planes are just too fast i gotta go coming in so rapid so one kid that plays in the woods also is a 12 year old young girl named giselle coat or cote i'm not sure if it because it's cote yeah we did that episode of crime and sports on patrick cote and that was spelled like this as well so i guess it just it depends on how into your french roots you are how it's pronounced i'm not sure so giselle here uh she um a neighborhood kid, normal kid. Most mornings, her and the other kids stop by a bakery and buy donuts and cookies before the bus arrives.

That's awesome. If your bus is near a bakery, oh, that's amazing. Lucky. We had a little donut shop down the street from my house. That's where all the kids would smoke cigarettes, drink coffee. We were 38-year-old pissed off people heading to our job. We are 16 and going to school. Thermos sitting next to you.

Sitting there smoking Marlboro Reds. That's amazing. She's very much into stickers this year. Yeah. In the mid-'80s, stickers were insanely big. Everything had sticker books. I remember you could get all the baseball cards in sticker form, and they'd have books that you could remember all that. Stick had sticker books. I remember like you could get all the baseball cards and sticker form and they'd have books that you could remember all that.

Like stickers were huge. And there were places to put them. Yeah, absolutely. Hugely. So she had a, a sticker thing that she would do at this point in time. She was into,

into the, all the music like the other kids. She liked Michael Jackson and shit like that. 1984, 12 year old kid, very normal. Um, she leaves her friend her house on jackson street um she or she leaves her friend or she leaves her house on jackson street i'm sorry she's supposed to go meet her friends uh in the woods here near the woods on pikes hill normal shit's about 5 15 when she leaves

um she's supposed to just got to be home by 6 15 for dinner be back in an hour that's all no big deal so she's supposed to come home for an hour in an hour for sunday dinner um she doesn't come home at 6 15 though but kids lose track of time they don't have phones back then so she is in trouble you're outside you lose track of time if you're playing a game totally understandable but by 8 o'clock p.m. Oh, shit. You are grounded. Yeah, now she's a 12-year-old girl that's gone, and it's gone beyond, oh, shit, you're grounded.

They've gone outside. They've yelled where she should be. No one's answering. She's not there. The other kids say they hadn't seen her lately. Yeah. So now they're really worried by 8 o'clock. And a 12-year-old is young enough to where you – she's not just off.

She didn't just decide to go to the movie. She's 12. You know what I mean? She didn't meet a guy and decide to go out to the clubs tonight. All the guys down drinking at the bar. She's not doing that either. No. They call the cops because they're very worried.

And they're good parents. They're worried about their kids here. Their kids. So they look all around. And it gets dark pretty quick after that too so it gets very difficult and nobody they can't find her all night they look basically all night nobody can find her um she's not found till 12 hours later and the way they find her is not the way they want to find her she's on the edge of the mus River, half in and half out of the water. Covered kind of lazily with leaves and sticks.

Really? Which is, yeah, just some leaves and sticks on top of her. Just sprinkle over her body. Yeah, just kind of cover her up a little so it's, you know, whatever. This is probably 500 yards from her house by the way what yeah that's that's where this is she's by the way wearing a purple blouse oh wearing a purple blouse um they said they found also up there and also from her the body they found for her body they said a cord or other object that was the thing that would have been wrapped around her neck, some kind of cord or object like that.

Then they found some nylon rope, a white nylon rope that they believe was what killed her. The detectives said they found white plastic nylon rope near the Musam River Bank where she was found. The rope was tied to a steel reinforcement bar inside a large square section of sewer pipe about a hundred yards from her body inside the inside the sewer pipe it was tied to a fucking thing and they said they said that the pipe was large enough for people to get inside and clean it out so it was a big pipe so kids could go in there and this kid he would know every nook and cranny to go smoke a joint so he would you know all the teenagers would know where this is put it that way they go oh in the sewer pipe yeah yeah that's where we go and hang out i got my

first hand job in there it's that kind of place you know what i mean and it has like a reinforcement the rebars yeah yeah that's what it's tied to and um they say she could have been either strangled or even hanged. So they're thinking maybe she was tied to the rebar and somebody was pulling on her maybe and trying to basically hang her like that, which is horrible. They made sure in the initial reporting to say that her body was clothed and found in the woods that was one thing they made sure but then later on though they find out um that well we'll talk about the investigation there's more than a hundred people interviewed in that in the next two days yeah they have 10 investigate everybody they can gather full-time um it's a 12 year old girl that's been fucking killed on the riverbank they're're going to find out who did this.

They're going to try anyway. So everybody comes in. They interview basically everybody that would have been outside on that Sunday evening anywhere near this fucking place. Everything like that. They appeal to the public. They said they've narrowed the investigation down to this given area of town. Well, yeah, she went from her house to there. Where the fuck else did she go?

Yeah, thanks a lot. A thousand foot radius of that. I mean, that's where she's at, too. But otherwise, they said, we're asking people who may have been passing through this area between 4 and 8 p.m. to call us. They're just like, we need anything we can get. The area is about, it's kind of triangular. It's a 160-acre plot of woods around there. So it's got the river on one side and then two streets on the other one of the sides is bordered by the river so they said that uh

they said there's so many people that pass through that that area the the cops said we're asking them to cooperate and come in a lot of times something that may not appear important to people is actually important and what we're trying to do is get people who frequent the area so they might also know other people who might have been there. So they said the thing that's been made it really complicated is the people who are there's a ton of people in the woods that day. It's a Saturday and it was a nice day outside. And it's the shift to daylight savings. Nobody knows what time they were there. So that has completely fucked everything up.

They're like, I was either there at five or six, I'm not sure. They're like, that counts for a lot, so that would help. Depends. Yeah, depends on if I set my watch back that day or if I forgot to do it until the next day. So it's really, really hard. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper.

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ben franklin you son of a bitch no one knows what's going on now so they said that um yeah he's a scott is the one of the people that's went into the woods obviously so they have a memorial for giselle clearly and um the cops say at that point this this is the assistant attorney general. He says, we're hopeful. We're always hopeful, but we don't have a suspect at this point. There's no way to reassure people that we're going to have this wrapped up in a week. Yeah, that's that's hard. I mean, so they said the family friend said, why Giselle and how? How could anyone have done this? I have no answer. Children are known primarily for their trust and their love and so

this is someone speaking at the at the memorial we come together not to give answers but to show trust and love we can't turn into bitter untrusting people or this evil deed will surely triumph so that's good for everybody good advice for all out there i think so people really i mean they're everybody's bummed and depressed and i mean jesus everybody said she's such a nice kid all the other kids liked her all the teachers said she's a good nice sweet respectful kid and likes all the other kids treats everybody nice and she's 12 she's 12 i mean she's a 12 year old kid she's just a sweet kid no opportunity to be a dick to people she's a 12 year old kid who wants to play with stickers i mean that's you can't get any nicer than that

as innocent as it gets. The town, this sends the town into a complete fucking freakout. Why wouldn't it? I'm talking a meltdown. These people are, it takes over everything. Terror Town, USA. I mean, it takes over everything. One woman who works at a hospital here said that she used to just walk home, walk to her car and then go home.

But now she like calls her husband and like she has a whole thing. She won't walk to her car alone anymore. I think you're aged out here. Yeah, that's 12. And she's a nurse at the hospital. But it's a night shift. She said that I had children grow up in that neighborhood and I had no fears. Some of the kids are acting more afraid now also is what they're saying.

And somebody here at the school district psychologist said they're afraid someone might get them. If kids are afraid of the boogeyman, this becomes a very powerful boogeyman figure. You might see kids looking under the bed. Some children might have nightmares. So, yeah. Now, they have some witnesses here. Some, they have two people that said they saw a slender teenager walking through the woods with his hands on a 12-year-old girl

with a purple shirt on, with his hands on her shoulders walking her through the woods. Like showing her where to go. Like guiding her, okay? Three teenagers, but they didn't know they didn't identify scott they just said a slender teenager um now three teenagers who know him saw scott walking over a bank of the musam river hope that's how you say it shortly before 7 p.m on april 29th they said he looked pale and all slouched over as he walked up to them. And then he ended up buying weed from them.

So he walked up and bought some weed from them. What a great patch of woods, though. Besides the murder, you can just walk around and run into people to buy weed from in the woods in 1984. That's phenomenal. But it's nice that he only bought weed from them because if he was pale and slouched over, could have been anything. Yeah. Could have been withdrawals from whatever drug he was purchasing. Who knows?

But weed, you don't do that. You don't feel that way. No. No. Give me some weed. I want to feel better. Yeah, or just ran out. Yeah.

So at 6.30 that day, 6.30 p.m., a group of four people saw a teenager they knew as Scott. Scott, that's him. Sure. Stooping next to the shallow pool of the Musam River. This is right near where Giselle was found. She said that this person said, he told us he was looking for a good fishing spot. And they said, I thought he was kind of awkward because he didn't have any fishing gear with him. He apparently wouldn't look any of us in the eye.

When he spoke to us, he kept looking down or away from us, which a lot of teenagers do that, by the way. With adults, they don't look at adults in the eye. It's just one of those things. But this doesn't look good. I'm looking for a good fishing spot with no pole is a weird. I just saw this on whatever live PD is now we're watching. Some guy was in Florida and he was like, I was just going to check out a fishing spot and the cop goes you don't have any gear with you he's like I was just going to check it out and he goes it's 11 o'clock at night what do you you go at 11 o'clock at night what are you going to what can you see about a fishing spot at 11 o'clock at night with no equipment like nobody's buying that right so then I guess the when they end up talking to Scott because they hear he's one of the people in the woods.

He told the police detective that he was uptight. And he also told him that he'd been suffering from memory lapses in the weeks prior to the murder. So the cop, the cops uptight or told. No, told the cop. He told the cop, I'm feeling uptight. I've been suffering from memory lapses lately. Yeah. Here.

He said that he told his girlfriend three weeks ago. He told the detective three weeks ago he threw a knife at a wall after fighting with his girlfriend. And then after throwing the knife, he forgot what the fight was about. So he didn't even know why he did it. So, yeah. So they bring him in. They go, let's let's do a little interrogation with this kid and see what he's all about because he's a skinny teenager and sure

seems like a jerk off you know and he's admitting to throwing knives around in the heat of the heat of the moment yeah and we also they found out about his uh his notes and his purple and all that because the little girl's wearing purple also so there maybe there's a purple connection here so that might turn him on or something so at the also they find in his locker and in his room they find that he has a lot of what they call quote satanic artwork and he has the satanic bible you know the anton levay thing he's got sat He's got Satan's prayer he wrote in a notebook and Satan's rules and all this shit. So in 1984, if they see anything that has a Satanist has the power to put a hex on anyone who's wronged him. This is all on the tapes. OK, so they they really take him down the rabbit rather than not giving a shit. They really take him down the rabbit hole.

Then in court later, they're going to play these tapes and the jurors are going to freak the fuck out because, you know, it's a very West Memphis three situation. Except we'll find out this guy's guilty as fucking balls is the difference. And it's 1983. Yeah. It's a very West Memphis three situation, except we'll find out this guy's guilty as fucking balls is the difference. And it's 1983. Yeah. 84? 84. Mid-84 here. So the tapes here, they, he's, Jesus Christ.

He says that, quote, or the detective says to him, the Bible says thou shall not kill. And he says, and they say, what does your Bible say? And he says, Scott says, Satanism does not advocate the killing of anyone. It's like the Bible says, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. That's the basic concept. And he said, he described Satanism as living by the laws of the jungle. Do unto others as do unto others as others do unto you. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. So that's what he says. Then he says that he outlined that there's rituals that Satanists can use to summon power, including the destruction ritual that is used to cast a hex on anyone who goes out of their way to seriously bother you. He said if a guy tried to kill you, he'd give you a reason to kill him. If he punched you or broke your finger or anything, that's no reason to try to put a hex on anybody. I mean, you've got to be reasonable with your hexes, Jimmy.

You know what I mean? Just a finger. Come on. I mean, you can't get disproportional hexes. Over a finger? No hexing. This is ridiculous. Yeah.

Nobody hexes over a finger no this is ridiculous yeah nobody hexes over a finger this is crazy later in the tape he says that anything that may establish a strong mental imagery may be used to cast a hex hair or whatever is his quote he also says that he has learned about how to do satanic rituals but he's never performed any because he doesn't have the bells or any of the other equipment necessary for satanic worship. No bells nor whistles. He has no, yeah, he hasn't built up the infrastructure

for a satanic worship yet, a real ritual, you know, he just doesn't have it. The Spencer's Gifts doesn't sell it at the mall, so he's really out of ideas at this point. Feels like his Satanism is really hampered with his lack of ability and and lack of reasons to hex i mean he should really that's got to be a long day different yeah

that's got to be a long day at the at the course for satanism it's probably an open discussion of several hours with a lot of questions what if and a lot of what ifs and then the instructor has to. Let me ask you this. What if this scenario plays out and the instructor has to do a thumbs up or thumbs down? Hacks or no hacks? Hacks or no. Well, we'll go ahead and hacks him up. Hacks him. Hacks him. Okay.

Hacks you. He went on to say there's no killing of animals or people or anything like that. So they asked him, how did you get started? And he said, I just started questioning things. I see certain things and I say, if there's a God, why are these things happening? So he said that, you know, he said, there's two friends of mine that are Satanists, he said, and I believe there are a few people at the high school. As far as I know, we're pretty much alone as far as being in Sanford.

So they said, are there hundreds of you? Is it a giant cult? And and he goes it's like me and three other kids and we don't really talk that much so the members number one two three that's about it not really you know um so he denied he was near the river that day even though people saw him they they said you were down near the river he said no i was not okay well yep there goes that theory then he says okay fine i was down by the river but i could never hurt a girl but the thing is i did trip over her and find her oh my god oh i tripped over her yeah i stumbled across her body before you guys found her i was just hanging out walking around smoking a joint and with the crime scene it's just how it goes and uh he said he tripped over it and said quote here's a body

well then or would you go oh my god a dead child holy shit and run for help help dead child what the fuck is you are you kidding me oh here's a dead, dead little girl. Oh, well, you know, Satan is James. You know what? Maybe that's what it is. Maybe I'm just not religious enough in any capacity. He said, here's a body. Then he says, quote, I freaked out. I said, hey, and it didn't move.

He said, I said, hey, to a dead body. I said, hey, didn't move. He said, I kicked at it and it didn't move. I said, hey, to a dead body. I said, hey. Didn't move. He said, I kicked at it and it didn't move. I said, what the? That's his story? I said, what? I kick it. I said, what the?

What the hell? Then they said, well, why didn't you tell anybody about this? If you knew there was a search party going through the fucking woods, maybe you could have said, hey, down here, found it. He said, quote, I didn't want to get involved yeah if i found it somebody else will find it too you know yeah if i it's right here it's someone's gonna see it so special it's not it's not buried under something or anything it's a couple of sticks over the goddamn thing it's right there someone else is there so he then said um you know, what's going on? And he said, I knelt down and I ran my hands through the grass and I picked up some grass and stood up and tossed the grass. And I looked away and there was this little old lady staring at me.

So he said, somebody saw him doing this. And then he said, but he didn't want to get involved at all. He couldn't do it. Yeah, no, no way. Then he told them about memory problems again memory lapses he said that he was listening to a radio station wblm and he said that um he said that he would get the song would play six songs in a row and he could only remember the last song that played he couldn't remember any of the ones before that

just couldn't do it with the countdown too yeah he also might be on acid a lot so that's another thing that happens when you're fucking 18 he said that he had a fight with his girlfriend and he like he said he threw the thing against the wall and um he said that he would never intentionally kill anybody he said that the murder might have happened the way you know he doesn't know maybe he had a memory lapse but he never had one that bad yeah so i don't he doubts that he could the way, you know, he doesn't know. Maybe he had a memory lapse, but he never had one that bad. Yeah. So he doubts that he could have done it. You know, I don't think so.

Lapses, but never like murder lapses. Then he said it was really difficult for him sitting there now being accused of this and not knowing whether he did it or not. And then he started to cry. And then he started to cry. So the evidence against him is an older woman actually did see, quote, spotted a gentleman in the wood. She and she elbowed me slightly. These are the witnesses talking in the side and pointed him out. I saw a man doing something in the grass with his hands and he had some sticks in his hands.

You know, the shit on top of the body. That's I saw him staging the body. Yeah, camouflaging. Yeah. They pointed down to a 10-foot by 5-foot hand-drawn map of the murder site that they drew for the people and showed the cops and showed this is where I saw it and everything that was right where the body was. Yeah.

So the autopsy comes in here. Okay. Rope, like we said, tied to a steel reinforcement bar inside a large square section of sewer pipe 100 yards from the body. Big enough for people to get into. Marks on her body showed she was either hanged or strangled, according to the autopsy reports. And you can put that together however you want. They said that they found, now her legs were in the water her torso was on the shore that's why she stayed on the shore and it was like a pooled area too it wasn't a flowing

area of the river it was like a little off pool thing so um they found okay they now she was clothed okay like we said um they found on her shirt just below the neckline, they found sperm cells. Just below the neckline? Yeah, like on her shirt and her chest. They also found some green underwear about 25 feet from the body that also had sperm cells on it. Okay. So, there was there. Now, the sperm, there's no dna back then remember so it's

just blood typing and that sort of thing it matches scott's blood type the they said about 32 percent of white males in the united states would have both that kind of sperm that can be and that can be linked to the blood type that this that he is so okay it's not you know not an exact science it's one in three people here they do say there was no sperm found in or near the vaginal area so weird they believe that he masturbated on her he fucked that's what he did he's which we hear that with serial serial killers all the fucking time that's what btk did he i mean, that girl, especially with kids. Never did anything. Just always that. Yep.

Jerked off with, oh, God, fucking scumbag. So based on that, they arrest Scott because that's close enough. In the woods, tripped over the body, sperm that matches you, even one in three, you're fucking coming in, asshole. And all this Satan shit you could throw in there, too. Forget about it. So his family, his mother said, I think he came back around seven. He didn't seem anything any different or anything. But who knows?

That's a weird thing to say. She said that, quote, his difficult life doesn't excuse him if he did it. She said this is after he was arrested. I talked to Scott last night. I don't think he could have done it. But who knows? All night long, I didn't even think of him. I just thought of that poor girl and her family. This has been awfully hard on us. Everybody thinks of the victim's family, but what about the other side?

like wow i saw him all the color was drained from his face and he just kept like muttering half words couldn't get whole words i was just like river river river river that's all he kept saying it was really weird and then he went and laid in his room and i didn't see him till the next day that's what he should be acting like if he's killed a fucking child because that's what normal people would be she said he's never been violent maybe it was pent up inside of him i wouldn't want him to be walking around if he did do it so his mom's like if he did it i mean put him away yeah his brother said quote i'm kind of surprised myself i would hope you are i always figured him that he would kill children i don't know what it was i figured he'd kill children and then masturbate on them i just always had him pegged for that from the time he was a little tyke

i don't know he liked oscar the grouch and i said you know what there's something about that if every time if any time you ever witnessed somebody being arrested and you knew that person would probably i thought if your reaction is i fucking knew it why would you have ever been around yeah exactly i had a red flag about it but you know. So they said that they're trying to get all the Satan shit out of the court. Yeah, that's not. The defense doesn't want that. They said it concerns the alleged strange and odd behavior of the defendant, which could be highly prejudicial to the defendant and proved to be a serious threat to his right to a fair trial if the material material were subject of pre-trial publicity and it totally is yeah by the way by night by october before the trial people are freaking out thinking

there's a big cult in town now this is like three kids fucking around by the way they said that there's anonymous death threats directed at teenage girls and people are panicked um the police say this is all bullshit by the way they're not they're not stoking. The police say this is all bullshit, by the way. They're not they're not stoking it. They're saying this is bullshit. It's a couple of kids and the whole town is losing their mind and the newspaper is jumping right on the bandwagon. Some of those are made up and then some of them are just dickhead kids that are sending

shit to girls now. Yeah. The police say they're it's, quote, kids stuff fueled by the approach of Halloween and the upcoming trial of Scott Waterhouse. They say there's no evidence that the threats are real, so stop spreading rumors. The police literally say stop spreading rumors. They said a female employee, the latest threat, was a female employee at the Encore Shoe is the name of the store. Encore Shoe, I guess a shoe store.

They said found a note attached to her time card that read, your sister, and her name was there, will be dead by October 31st. Her plant manager said it was right around break time. She just happened to be going by and kind of glanced and saw this slip of paper. She was really shook. They said that around town,

quote, especially the young ladies here are shook up. I do my best to tell them it has nothing to do with whatsoever with the factory but it was just some idiot trying to go get some kind of scare going now another thing they said that good god another threat was a taxi driver said they got a threat that said quote it said she'd be dead by October 5th, a member of their family. She was petrified. You can't overlook it. You have to show some concern. So people have come together, a group of people gathered at the abandoned mill here.

This is complete stranger things, dude. A group of teenagers and some adults gathered at the abandoned mill on spruce and high streets talking of going in and quote, getting the cult that they know is operating inside the abandoned mill. Okay. Yeah. Later that, that,

that day, five, I guess late the day before fire officials suspected that there was a fire set that damaged the upper stories of the rundown abandoned building. The one person here uh said quote people are sick of this if the police don't want to go into the mill we'll go we'll get a lot more of these groups it's scaring a lot of people due to these letters going around we want to let them know that people aren't going to put up with it okay okay so they said that they think it's a

meeting place for this cult, this satanic cult. Another guy said, on Saturday night, I went by at about 11 o'clock and the whole top floor was lit up. I don't know if it was candles or what. Okay. Perhaps it was the fire. Maybe. Now, police say that they've been inside the building. It's just graffiti spray painted on the walls and beer bottles left in charcoal remains of little bonfires.

It's fucking teenagers smoking weed and fucking up here. That's what's going on. They said there's no evidence it's a meeting place for a cult. The police chief, Arthur J. Kelly, said to the reporter, quote, you're starting this rumor. This is you. There's nothing there. Another guy said this all bullshit from the town. He said, I're starting this rumor. This is you. There's nothing there. Another guy said this is all bullshit from the town. He said, I've been in there.

The only thing written on the walls is Scott Waterhouse was here. That's the only thing on there. Yeah, that's gross too. He said, quote, I tell them, but they don't listen. They want to hear what they want to hear is what this guy said. I tell them there's nothing going on. They don't listen. So they said that people are going to meet up again between 15 and 40.

That's about the people who say they're going to come. And they're ready to go in there and confront them. And god damn it. The police chief said the rumors are going crazy. The best thing they can do is not repeat the stuff. So many of this stuff is tenth hand. We don't have anything to substantiate them being scared. I got a call from a woman who said, why don't you make a public statement about what that the rumors aren't

true we hear rumors all the time once halloween's over and the trial's over maybe this will all calm down so the town has lost their fucking mind they've turned into hawkins indiana 1986 it's gone crazy too close to halloween and people are already freaked out anyway so they bring in for the in court they obviously have like we said all this physical evidence that's you know tied with the circumstantial it makes a decent case in court by the way scott has a fiance now what yeah sometime between in the last year he got a fiance i don't know if it's the girl he threw the knife at or what, but or threw the knife because of or what. He pleads not guilty. He maintains his innocence there.

He says he maintains his innocence and he says he didn't do a goddamn thing. So the trial is nine men and three women on the jury. So I feel like that's not going to be good for you because you did this then got a girl to say she would marry you meanwhile if you're in jail you're being held away from the other guys because they'll stab you in the face for this i feel like this is one of those where guys want to seek physical vengeance against a guy for this and not saying women don't but i'm saying that you might it might be easier for him to gain some kind of sympathy about the hip and all that kind of shit from women than from guys who are like i'll kick you right in your fucking hip you goddamn scumbag jerking off on

little girls very dangerous to have nine men on your trial on your jury if they're all fucking fathers of daughters that's the other thing anybody with a daughter you're dead i don't know the women too if their mother's a daughter you're and a daughter you're dead i don't know the women too if their mothers are daughters you're and you got problems too but i'd be able to see through much of any anybody's screaming i didn't do this if i could just picture my daughter in that river it's hard man it's especially like this it was pointless just so we could jerk off go home and jerk off the fucking what are you doing you scumbag so piece yeah you piece of shit so um he all so his defense said he was subjected to a grueling three-hour interrogation which is not a long interrogation he even said to the cop on the stand isn't it a fact that for three hours that was what was

drilled into his head that he was the person who killed giselle isn't that what was said was it less than 50 times was it less than 50 times that you accused him of killing Giselle? It's clear that you never got an answer that he killed Giselle. Nobody said he might have if he had a memory lapse and he tripped over the body and went, what the hell? What's up, bro? What the? Whoa, dude, there's a fucking corpse, man.

It's like a little body there. What the? What's going on? It's like a little body there. What the what's going on? It's like a little girl and stuff, bro. Whoa, radical. What the fuck? No, that's not what happened. You fucking liar.

So they bring people in. The witness who saw a slender male that whose back of their head looks similar to his guiding the guiding young Giselle through the through the woods. Other people that saw him fucking, you know, putting twigs and leaves on on her body. Another guy said he was out smoking weed with a friend and he saw a male, maybe five foot ten or five foot seven, five foot eight walking behind a girl as well. He said he's known Waterhouse for a couple of years. And they said, do you think the male walking with the female that day was Scott Waterhouse? And he said he's known waterhouse for a couple of years and they said do you think the male walking with the female that day was scott waterhouse and he said no sir huh so he's like i know scott that wasn't scott so that's interesting and they said why don't you think it was scott and he said well scott walks with a limp because he has a bad hip as far as i could tell, that man did not. That's interesting. But he said he tripped over the.

But I don't know if he didn't say I found the body. You'd go, well, maybe. But no, that's that's just you're mistaken is probably what it is. I've never been there and I've never seen the body is the only defense that works here. I don't know what you're talking about there. For Christ's sake. Once you do that, you're done, man. You're fucking done. So the state that, you're done, man. You're fucking done.

So the state rests their case after all these witnesses. They give the physical evidence. They say that the sperm cells were deposited by a man with type A and H blood. They also said that blood and saliva samples taken from saliva samples that were taken from him says that he has the AH combination that could have contributed to the semen. So it's, it's all there here. Now the attorney general here and his closing arguments said that Scott killed Giselle quote for the hell of it.

And part as part of a game, he said, he said part of the game was to tie her wrists because apparently they found ligature marks on her wrists. So he apparently tied her up at one point and when her wrists were tied mr waterhouse had her at his mercy like like gacy basically yeah incapacitate by the way what a pussy is you have to incapacitate a fucking 12 year old girl so you could do that jesus christ man so um he also the the assistant uh attorney general went into hardcore into the satanic aspect here saying that the religion denigrated truth-telling consisted of hedonism and rituals of sex and destruction he said that um on the tape you

heard scott say that satanism is basically what is it whatever whatever cranks your what the fuck did he say whatever uh he said whatever floats your boat whatever turns your crank that's what it's all about so he brings that up he said there's tons of discrepancies in the testimonies inconsistencies in his version of the story said he tripped over the body the shit fucking matches him oh and by the way i'd concentrate on he was seen there in physical evidence matches he also says though the district attorney here at the end of the attorney general that it also fell on there's three major satanic holidays is what the guy says he says halloween one's own birthday and this other one that celebrated several days before the 1st of May.

So that's what this was. This was a, he was feeding a satanic ritual. Which, I mean. April showers and May flowers, we've got a holiday. To me, if I'm the jury foreman here and I'm reading it, I go, I'd start by saying we have a verdict. I would like to say this is in spite of all your dipshit fucking dumb satan shit prosecutor just to let you know like you didn't need that shit and we almost voted against it just to make you look like an asshole but we needed to put him in jail because he's an asshole so yeah anyway in less than an hour they find him guilty of murder fast yeah

guilty um the uh giselle's father said it's a great day for the whole family. And her father's girlfriend said justice was done. It was a hard day for everybody. Now maybe we can start to repair our lives. That'd be good. So sentencing comes around. And there's a lot of leeway here on the sentencing for him. Sure. there's a lot of leeway here on the sentencing for him. They tell him, you, sir, young man,

may fuck off life without parole. Oh, boy. Yeah. You can't kill 12-year-old girls. No, you can't. You just can't. No one's going to stand for that. That's the most protected thing in the world.

No one. That's the most. A 12-year-old girl, everyone just goes you fucking scumbag like yeah not that if you kill anybody otherwise but you kill someone who's like baby for it's a yeah yeah that's just disgusting she's playing with stickers you scumbag yeah fucking scumbag so the point is is there a cult? No. After this is all over with, the chief of police says, we found no evidence of any organized cult. Okay.

Then they interview one of Scott's friends, Arthur DeMattea, who is a, quote, avowed devil worshiper, is how he puts it. They asked him, is there an existence of a cult? And he said, I don't know. There could be one. Oh, you asshole. Yeah. I don't know.'t know. There could be one. Oh, you asshole. Yeah. I don't know. Adults.

There could be one. And then the adults are going to form vigilante groups out of that. So in prison, OK, four years later, Scott has not into Satanism anymore. No. No. Now he's into witchcraft. He's into Wicca now. That's his thing.

He's a warlock in jail. Yeah, that's what he got into there. He says that he wasn't even that much into Satanism. He was mildly curious about it, basically. He was like Damien Echol essentially. So he said that the media, quote, blew out of proportion a harmless teenage fascination. And, you know, they said they constantly were saying what he was doing on drugs and all this shit they just made it a big they made it all blown out of

proportion he said now he and he starts talking to the reporter about gods and goddesses and ceremonial magic and divine source and reincarnation and he's all into this shit they said he's kind of like a hippie now he looks like a hippie acts like a hippie but he also wears a pentagram in the article they say he's wearing a pentagram on a necklace and he said oh you idiot this pentagram isn't inverted so it's not a satanic symbol yeah he said no instead the five point star points upward towards some unnamed deity but she doesn't know yet but you know he's a a Wiccan. It's pointing up to whoever's in charge there. I'll figure it. Him and his fellow inmates

have established a coven at the prison called the Circle of New Life. Oh, I hate all of you. He says that the pentagram represents air, fire, water, earth, and spirit. It perfectly symbolizes man as he should be with spirit overall and in control.

Yeah, he says all of this shit. Now, 1988, him and his dipshit friends Symbolizes man as he should be with spirit overall and in control. Yeah. He says all of this shit. Now, 1988, him and his dipshit friends have a Wiccan revolt on the prison. What? Main state prison inmates identified as members of a religious group known as the Wiccans face disciplinary action after they occupied a roof area for up to seven hours and threatened guards before surrendering peaceably. That's fucking.

They're these idiots. no one was injured here uh they said the corrections people said there was never any risk of escape they were on the roof for christ's sake um the inmates apparently threatened the prison staff members and broke several wooden chairs to use them as weapons and uh and to burn in a metal wastebasket in order to keep warm up on the roof because it was in the winter in Maine. One quote says, They took a wooden staff that they use in their ceremonies and brandished it in a similar fashion as a Louisville slugger. Jesus Christ.

They gathered for an authorized religious ceremony, went out a prison window onto a lower roof, and scaled a ladder onto the higher rooftop. So they were summoned back in, and they said they wouldn't come, so they had to go out and get them, basically. They said they didn't negotiate with them. They just went and got them. They also said the inmates on the roof had, quote,

zero support from the other 485 prisoners. Fuck those jerk-offs. 500 people told you to go fuck yourself. Yep. It ended seven hours later. And they all, most of the people now out of this group of seven, they're all, four of them got transferred to other prisons and broke up their whole coven. Now, after that, in 2001, they're closing down his prison. Oh, no.

He's very sad because he likes it there. He works in the print shop. He's having a good time. He said, this is one of the sweetest places in the country to do time it's sweet man fucking sweet brah he said he said quote you get comfortable after a period of time you have that few feet of space uh you have some control over then later on he says, I just, this new, a new prison, who knows what it's going to be like. He said, everything I've done for 17 years is being stripped away from me

because someone said we needed a new prison. No, it's because you murdered a girl. Sorry. That's why. You couldn't be home. You could be home. Had you not murdered her, nothing would be stripped from you.

Nothing at all, you fucking scumbag. So there he is, Scott Waterhouse, in prison forever, complete idiot kid. Doesn't seem to have learned very much, just seems like a real dipshit. Doesn't get it. Thinks he's got a mortgage on this place. Yeah, he's like, I like it here. It's really great.

It's like, you're in a fucking state facility. They can move you wherever they want. They don't even need to build a new prison. They can just stick you in a hole and go, new state prison, and that's it. So either way, there you go. That is Sanford, Maine, and Scott Waterhouse, and poor little Giselle Coat. That is terrible shit here. If you like that show, let the world know about

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