Small Town Murder - #330 - The Vixen Of Violence - Elk Grove, Illinois

Episode Date: November 3, 2022

This week, in Elk Grove, Illinois, a simple stolen car leads to the discovery of an entire family, slaughtered, in their home. Shot, beaten, and tortured, with the heat turned up to 97 degrees, it's obvious that someone had it in for these people. But who? Business partners? People in the local CB club? The mafia? Anything is possible, until a tip is called in to the police, revealing the strangest murder plot going, including an odd sex for murder arrangement, and a psychic vision from one of the actual killers! A seriously weird & brutal story!!Along the way, we find out that Walgreens managers don't get paid enough to have a wife, 5 kids, and a side piece, that certain people don't believe in banks, and that your psychic vision shouldn't include you, if you're one of the murderers!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Small Town Murder. hello everybody and welcome back to small town murder yay jimmy coming in hot with the yay yay indeed jimmy yay indeed i wasn't even done yet. I love it. I love the enthusiasm. Bullseye. I'm so hungry. It's good stuff, man. You just ate a bagel. I'm always hungry. There you go. My name is James Petrigal. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on another crazy, insane edition of Small Town Murder.

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Kobe had no pub coming out. There was nothing? Kobe was a high school kid. You know what? Most scouts thought he was going to be the next big. Kobe had no pub coming out. There was nothing? Kobe was a high school kid. You know what? Most scouts thought he was a joke. That's a great point. But when I was in high school, Mike Bibby was there, and so it was the two of them competing against each other

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There's going to be jokes in here. People will die. It has to. Otherwise, the name would be false advertising. It would be bullshit. It would be a complete load of shit. So the people will die. But what we do here is there's plenty of stuff to joke about.

You got small towns to make fun of. We're all from somewhere crappy. Who cares about that? You got murderers to make fun of. We're all from somewhere crappy. Who cares about that? You got murderers to make fun of, obviously. What is some bumbling police force that doesn't, that lets a murderer go for 10 years? That's always fun to make fun of. But what we don't do, what we go out of our way not to do, is we never make fun of the victims or the victims' families.

Oh, why is that, Jim? Because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. There you have it. There you go. So if that sounds good to you, you are in for quite the tale. Yeah. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, this might not be for you, but it might be.

Maybe. That's what I mean. Give it a chance. And if you don't like it, no bitching afterwards. How's that? We warned you. So there you go. Goodbye.

That said, everybody, so I think it's time to sit back. Uh-huh. We say we clear the lungs. Yeah. And shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this. Okay.

Let's go on a trip. We should. Shall we? We are going all the way to Illinois. Hell yeah. Here we go to Illinois. This is Elk Grove, Illinois. Oh, it's lovely.

Absolutely. It's in Northeastern Illinois. It's 30 minutes outside of Chicago. It's a suburb of Chicago. So you can live here and work in the city sort of thing here. Closer than O'Hare. So that's close. It's about an hour 20 to Milwaukee and about two and a half hours to Morton, Illinois, which is our last Illinois episode.

That was episode 293. By the way, this is the 300th regular episode of Small Town Murder. We have another like 30 with the Expresses. But this is the 300th regular episode of small town murder we have another like 30 with the with the expresses but this is the 300th regular episode so thanks for any for everybody who's been sticking with us and if you've been here for the whole 300 we appreciate you hanging with us for the journey and we'll there'll be 300 more we can guarantee you that so we're gonna keep doing it this particular town elk grove is in both cook and dupage counties two two counties here it's about 11 square miles it's a lot of strip malls oh it doesn't look like there's a

building over two stories in the entire place every place looks like a jc penny that went out of business like straight suburb eight years ago total suburb here uh the motto here though yeah the exceptional community oh so you know there's that exceptional and it's right on the sign which the sign is all fucked up and needs a paint job so if you're going to claim exceptional exceptionalness you should probably paint your sign you can't say it without that being exceptional that's the way you say it matters it would help say it with your chest say just say it i don't care, at least put it on a painted sign. A piece of shit sign.

Look how perfect we are. No, you're not. Put your name on it. Yeah. It looks like garbage. Good God. Complaining about your neighbors while your roof is falling in. What's wrong with you?

People in Chicago, they say, do you live in Chicago or do you live in the suburbs? Because that's a common thing that people ask. In New York, you live in the city. Right. Or out where. Right. Right. that's like a common thing that people laugh and this is new york you live in the city right or outward right but the uh they this is like what they mean by do you live in the suburbs because

it's like it's 30 minutes away it's not you're barely in chicago you know yeah it's not it's not the same thing it's definitely another world yeah it's nothing like chicago at all it's like yeah but when in new york it's weird because when they say do you live in the city they specifically mean the island of Manhattan. No, I'm not kidding. Brooklyn's not the city. The Bronx. No, that's not the city.

No, it's not. In New York, that's not the city. The city is the island of Manhattan. Just that little bit. Yeah. People in Brooklyn will say, I'm going into the city. That means I'm going to Manhattan. You got to live between World Trade and Central Park or you're not there. A little north of there?

No, we give you the whole, Harlem is still a city and all that. That's still the city technically, but the island of Manhattan is where it's at. That's crazy. Otherwise, it's not that. That's crazy. There's so many boroughs. There's so many places to be. So this place originally had Potawatomi tribe this year, originally in Elk Grove.

And they were, quote, relocated in the 1830s. That was under Andrew Jackson, as you might know. Sure got him a nice moving truck. Oh, Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma, too. So let's, yeah. Jesus. You guys like fields? How do you feel about just fields?

Not so much lakes. No, no, no. Just a field. Do you like to be able to see let's say you have a relative and they live say 12 to 14 miles away you want to be able to still see them and wave to them because i got a place for you you're gonna love it i know there's a very large natural body of water real close that you utilize probably we would like to give you one without without that at all love it you're gonna like it love it you're gonna tolerate it and be angry for hundreds of years with righteous indignation yeah here's the thing about this land is that if anybody wants to kick

you off of it you'll see them coming from a long way. You'll have a lot of time to pack up or mount a defense. Yeah, create the weapons, whatever you need. So this area was settled by white people here in New England, people from New England, farmers from New England came here. That was the original people. from New England came here. That was the original people. The Elk Grove town itself wasn't incorporated until 1956 because it is a planned suburban community.

This was the whole idea in the first place. This we're going to build. Yeah, we need a place for people to go. The majority of the houses and everything around here was built in the 50s by the Centex Corporation, which sounds like it makes chemicals that poison the groundwater. by the Centex Corporation, which sounds like it makes chemicals that poison the groundwater.

Somewhere there's sick little kids and it's a Centex is probably allegedly responsible for it. Somewhere a $3 million class action check was signed for everybody to get $4. It's terrible. Yeah, it's terrible. 40 years after it happened,

it's like Camp Lejeuneune again if you watch anything streaming or anything else you'll be inundated with these camp lejeune commercial were you at this point i think i might have been there i wasn't even born yet but i think i might have been in the marines at camp lejeune at some point because these commercials are telling me that your family base there for a lot of a lot i think I might have drank the water, sure. If you don't know what we're talking about, I apologize. But if you watch anything streaming, these are the constant commercial streaming. I think they pipe that water into the whole country is what it is. That's probably what it is.

We're all camp Lejeuners. We're all Lejeuniers, as we're called, you know, around with each other. Yeah. Lejeuniers. That's the people that swirl the water. Yeah. This has a lot of zinc. And I think that's the people that that swirl the water and yeah this has a lot of zinc and i think that's let the sentiment sink to the bottom of the glass it helps too that's nice so that's the type of place this is original planning concept um they forgot at first

by the way to separate the industrial and the residential areas so there was like factories next to houses that didn't work so they moved some stuff around. And nowadays, it's one of the largest industrial parks in the United States is in Elk Grove. Largest industrial... Park. Park. Which is not, there's no swing sets there, I promise you.

There is not a seesaw for miles around that place. Those birds don't go together. Where's the sandbox? No, no, no. Don't get in that no that's a silt box we call that that's just it's uh runoff yeah things extra parts there's a screen underneath there and we filter it's you should see what's under there wow so it became a lot of farmers were here at first um a lot of uh like german immigrants came here and uh a lot of farmers were here at first. A lot of German immigrants came here.

And a lot of the streets are named for the farmers. There's actual elk here, too, as well. Is that right? Yeah, in Elk Grove. It's these woods area where they stock elk like trout. Really? That's pretty cool. I've never heard of that.

Ah, the rainbows are pooling up over on that side of the forest. They're all brown elk. You know how we know? Because they're brown. They're. I think they're all brown elk. You know how we know because they're brown. They're pretty brown. They're pretty brown. So this is also the place that the bears threaten to move to all the time. Oh, okay.

The bears, whenever Chicago's pissing them off and they need a renovation of Soldier Field, they'll go, we'll move to Elk Grove. Don't make us do that to Brian Urlacher. Don't make us make everyone miserable where they have to go to Elk Grove every goddamn week. Don't make us poison Brian Urlacher. Don't make us make everyone miserable where they have to go to Elk Grove every goddamn week. Don't make us poison Brian Urlacher's children. No. No shit.

So if you're a true crime aficionado and Elk Grove Village sounds familiar to you, it might be from the 1982. Everybody knew where this place was apparently because it was the center of the Chicago Tylenol murders case, It was apparently because it was the center of the Chicago Tylenol murders, which is a big famous case where a 12 year old girl named Mary Kellerman died after taking Tylenol. And they found out that it was laced with potassium cyanide. Not good. And it was purpose. Yeah, it was somebody tampering with the Tylenol. So if you can't open a bottle, you can blame this place.

You have trouble opening a pill bottle. This is why it's a fascinating way of saying murdered children, murdered children. Yeah how they did it so yeah this was from here it led to the tamper proof all that kind of shit so in tamper evident stuff where you know the the seal on the top that you have to poke your finger through yeah but at least you know that no one has put any cyanide in your tylenol whatever that glue is that keeps that shit on oh you just got to poke it with your finger. You can't try to peel it off. Oh, I always have the tin ring around the top. I'm not getting that shit off.

Push it around. There we go. Done. I've never peeled one of those off in my life. Poof. Dit, dit, dit, dit. Jam my finger in there. There we go.

Advil comes out. Put your finger in and spin the bottle. That's it. That's how it stays. Fuck it. I'm not going it i'm not done and never get it off nope whatever it is is amazing fucking so this it is that's the best glue ever they used to keep space shuttles together when they re-enter the earth's atmosphere so the 90s and 2000s they embarked on a beautification redevelopment program oh yeah which included put, it ended up, there was supposed to be this big giant thing,

and they ended up putting in just like a 25-foot tall clock tower that's just pretty plain looking and doesn't look like it's much of a draw. You fixed it. Everything that was wrong, it's now all together. That's it. Reviews of this town. Oh, boy.

My favorite. Here we go. Let's start out with a couple of five stars okay five stars yeah there we go i like that everyone always comes together to make the community better your therapist tell you not to say that no you're never supposed to say always everyone and always back that's like a double negative it's a double double positive it's too much stop using double positives What's wrong with you? Everyone always and better are all the same words.

I'm full of shit. This person's running for mayor. Fuck you. There are always events to bring people together. Every day? You better stop writing and get to one. So if I'm bored at three in the morning, there's an event where I can bring people together? Bring together.

Everyone that lives here. Everyone that lives here. God damn it, man. All of them. There's not a hundred people here. You don't know everyone. Everyone that lives here is so genuine, kind, and willing to help out their neighbors. All of them. Every single person,

Jimmy. Too a lot. No child molesters. Nobody having like a, you know, different kind of agenda. None of that shit at all. Just done. Everybody's of the same interest and we do the same shit together. It's just perfect.

Yeah. And then at the end of the day, we hold hands and sing songs the whole town. So here's another five star here. This one, it's a little weird though. Five stars. You'll get the vibe here. I have lived here for 40 plus years and the exceptional village lives lives up to its motto. Yeah.

All right. That's a good start for five stars. Schools and churches are well represented in the area. OK. We've raised three children in the village and they have. Well, two of them still reside in the village. That's amazing. What happened to that?

Tell us. There was a lot more to this and he just deleted well two of them that might be too much yeah well he was like the other one you know every year we have to go down and say that you know we think that he's he's a better kind of kid now and he's he's gonna turn his life around he's learned his lesson and they haven't they haven't listened to us yet but we're hoping this year's the year and then he's gonna have to tell everybody who he is door to door um send out some flyers as well there was an incident but delete delete delete we think brian is doing better now hold on delete delete well you know what you don't understand she looked 16 that sounds worse all right that's that's worse

damn it he was 31 so that's that's worse okay. Back in the 80s, one of them had a headache. Well, we gave him some time. Never mind. Delete, delete, delete. Well, two of them still reside in the village. Wow. Here is three stars. Okay.

Elk Grove Village is a good, safe place to live. There are great schools, elementary to high school. There's lots of nearby things to do such as the woodfield mall and about a 30 minute drive from downtown chicago there you go let's not mention the mall right and what year are you in who yeah no kids don't even go to the mall now why would they why would they they're like i don't want to go get diddled there that's all they see it as a place to get diddled there. That's all they see it as, a place to get diddled. There's too much walking there. I got to walk, and if I'm looking down at something, I'll totally run into somebody.

And I did that before, and I broke my fucking DS, and it was totally messed up. Cocksucks. Not cool. So crime rate is basically nonexistent or zero. We'll let you know about that. Keep your statistics to yourself. I got some stats. Houses are good prices for a small single family home.

So that's kind of what it is. There's no mansions and not a lot of mansions in Elk Grove. It's a middle class suburb here. Three stars. This is a shithead teenager, I believe, here. This is the kid who won't go to the mall. There is not much to do for teens. There's some places to eat. But apart from that, you can only drive around and is not much to do for teens there's some places to eat but apart from that

you can only drive around and look for things to do you have a car right great get driving son half hour to chicago and you have a car use your fucking imagination ever seen adventures in babysitting get out there motherfucker it was a pretty good night pedal to the metal half a pack of cigarettes and a full tank again what the fuck is wrong with these people have you ever seen a movie get out there plus these creates her own adventure no shit jesus christ i would recommend elk grove for people on a low income trying to get by the judgment you have no income you're a teenager teenager. Shut the fuck up. How about that? You're on your parents' insurance, you son of a bitch. Jesus Christ, you little bastard. This one here, this person, Vicky needs a hug.

This person is Vicky, and she needs a hug bad. The heading of it is Elk Grove, and then from there on, this is all capital letters, is not the exceptional village. Wow. Tell me more, Vicky. then she goes to zero stars by the way her own that's a very short review i wish we never moved here dot dot dot i want this backstory more than i want where's the kid fuck you kid fuck that v that. Vicky's got the stage. Vicky, what happened? Are you all right, Vicky?

Is everything cool? Tell us slowly. Wow, Vickster. It's just shit, man. I wonder where she is now. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, this review was from like 2012. Oh, it's been a minute.

God knows what's happened to her since then. A whole decade of possible bad luck? I mean, shit, if she was doing that bad then. Yeah. this town 31 831 that's a lot yeah it's down eight percent since 2000 it's kind of gone down median age is 43 it's a little older than normal but pretty normal couple more females and males which is normal more married people than usual here 55 married um same divorce rate as average lower widow rates it's just a people move here when they have kids when they start to become scared of the city they move here so they're you know kids have a yard uh race of this town 75.2 percent white one percent black wow which i don't know i don't know if anybody out there has ever been to Chicago. Yeah. A couple of black people. One or two. A few black people to be the half hour away and have one percent black people. That sounds like there's like a is there like a booth or something you have to pass through?

Is there a checkpoint? Like what's going on? That seems very low. Eleven point two percent Asian, which seems high for a suburb of Chicago. In comparison to black people, too. That's strange. That's wild. 10.8% Hispanic, so there's some diversity for a small town. 60% of the people here are religious, though. Is that right?

And it is 38.7% Catholic. Heavy. It is heavy Catholic. That's a very Chicago thing there. As we know, Catholics are the Baptists of the Midwest I suppose of the Great Lakes region of the Great Lakes region 1.1% Jewish holy shit

I don't know the words alright in Cook County last year it's mostly in Cook County and the politics wise, 74.2% of the people voted Democratic, 24% Republican,

1.8% Independent. That includes Chicago. That thing there. Unemployment rates about the same as the rest of the country. Household income a little bit higher,

$73,214 is the median household income. You have about 20,000 higher. A lot of people make $100,000 in this area, but not much more than that. So it's a middle class. There's a ceiling. There's a ceiling, yeah.

So that's the way that works. Cost of living in this town, $108 out of $100. Not bad. Not too bad. Median home cost, $312,200, which is not bad. It's only a little higher than the national average. Not too terrible. So if we've convinced you, damn it, maybe the bears will be there someday and drive up the 1% black population.

Oh, they're going to explode. They're going to blow it all up. We have for you the Elk Grove, Illinois, real estate report. The average two-bedroom rental here is $1,335, which is a little above the national average, but not too, too bad. I have here the first house, two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,000 square feet. It's like a condo, it looks like. It's a little guy, yeah. Like a duplex kind of a house type of deal. It's not great. No. It's not great.

No, it's not terrible. It's a place where it looks like if it was a rental, you'd be like, this is worth my freedom. You know what I mean? Like, I'll stay here for a while. Yeah. The kid has their own room. And you know what? We'll make it our own.

It's going to be OK. It's one of those type of places. But not too bad. $185,900. That's pretty decent. It's a decent price. It's a decent, clean place. Like I said, it's not bad. House number two, it's pretty nice. It's a three bedroom, two bath, 1,521 square feet. Nice green lawn, nice curb appeal. It just looks like a real nice middle class house. Like a Wonder Years type house house that sort of thing very nice first the listing the real estate listing first word in it all caps all capital letters three exclamation points wow

calm down there it is just a nice house uh 1500 square feet three uh three hundred fifty four thousand nine hundred dollars for it wow three bedroom two bedroom, two bath. So, not terrible. That's a big mortgage, right? That's pretty big, I guess. Yeah, it would seem like it. I guess that's the average in America is what you've said before. But that seems... It seems expensive.

It's expensive, right? Sounds expensive. It's a lot of money. It's got to be $25,000, $3,000 a month, right? I would think, depending on your down payment. Yeah. I don't know. My God.

Mortgage math with James and Jimmy. That's how broke I've always been my whole life. I hear a dollar figure, and I try to quantify what is that amount. Yeah, what could that be? That seems like a lot. How do they afford that? Six bedroom, five bath, 6,400 square feet here. This is a nice house.

It's renovated. I don't know, man. It's got no soul, I feel like. It's got like four front doors which is kind of weird it's a weird house it's okay yeah it's fine there's a lot of wrought iron in it and shit it's whatever it is 675 000 though which 6 400 square feet it's a big house it's about as big as you're gonna find here things to do here holy jesus uh the elk grove rotary fest Holy Jesus. The Elk Grove Rotary Fest. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There they are again. They're going to have music and fireworks.

The Rob Post Band featuring Jim Cunningham. What happened to Rob? I don't care. If I don't know who either of you are, it doesn't matter who's band and who's featuring. Just these fucking guys you've never heard of. Seven more people know Cunningham. He's the front man. Yeah, that's what it is.

They're a high-energy group that plays classic rock music with a mix of current favorite song selections. I doubt there's many current ones in there, including Cheap Trick, Aerosmith, Clapton, Tom Petty, you know, a bunch of people who are dead already. Dead or haven't had a hit in 20 years. Bob Seger, the monkeys. The monkeys you throw in there?

There's only one now. You do Like a Rock and then Last Train. What are we talking about? There's only one monkey left. The Beatles, the Stones, and the Ramones. What? The Ramones in there? Current hits, James.

The current hits, obviously. Jesus. Wedding Band, B-A-N-n-e-d they look really annoying too they uh voted the best party slash dance band in chicago yeah because we can't play band weddings anymore we've been banned we've been banned now we only do parties seventh heaven which we've had in multiple festivals we've heard yes we have here they are chicagoland's number one festival band number one the band has set attendance records at major nightclubs across the tri-state region oh well then we could say that too take that i'll bet i've had a bigger crowd than you guys probably

unless it's at a fair right people are there you know just for fried dough and then they look at you while they show up for you no heart to heartbreaker yeah legendary women legendary music yeah primarily featuring the music of heart we thought we get that we get it thanks you got the name of the band and they're hit so yeah i'll bet you're right i love it i bet you're gonna play magic man yeah i bet you're gonna i bet i could get your guest your set list right now that's pat benatar right what was she in that no no fuck no those are wilson sisters that's it yeah they're badass dude yeah fucking badass benatar was not in that band no okay god no no it's the wilson's there the guitar player rocks two chicks well yeah and a couple other people a couple other dudes yeah the dude playing the bass a dude playing the drums and her ripping guitar and fucking i'll bet i have vinyl of them i'm gonna bring it great man i'm gonna bring it i'm gonna bring it home for you let's do it let's

do it uh this by the way costs 25 to get into this to see that to see that pile of shit our tickets cheaper yeah that's crazy well i don't know if they're cheaper than that well our virtual live show our virtual live show is cheaper yeah don't go to this come to that you can watch that 10 times you don't want to watch seventh heaven 10 times crime rate in this town that other person thought they had zero non-existent actually property crime a bit high oh 10 15 percent lion bastards motherfuckers and uh violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime also uh this is actually low this is about one third of the national average so they'll steal your shit but no one's gonna so much for non-existent gonna murder you it's not non-existent

you fucking liars tick the boxes use a use a fucking lie is that's all he is i'll tell you what some the new jersey person got pissed off about it use this fucking lie as i tell you right now this is all lie is 1976 we're gonna go to because we need to talk about a murder 76 let's do this let's talk about a murder and to do that going back to 76 there's certain times in history yeah that are the most creepy murdery yeah jack the ripper times yeah the you know the dense foggy or smoky whatever the fuck it was streets in london and you know in the dark and all that you got certain eras but nothing like the 1970s really good oh it's good shit and this we're gonna go to 76

blood drenched you couldn't you couldn't find out anything about anything no there's no dna no cameras anywhere it's people are killing people left and right they're like we don't know who's doing it it's just a bloodbath around they just keep killing so 76 here um wow let's get right into this here um may 7th 1976 let's pop into this day. We're going to climb inside a Chicago police car. Now, why the fuck are we talking about Chicago when it's Elk Grove? You'll find out. It all connects. Don't worry. Don't worry. Joe Giuliano and Eddie Kozlowski. Because I believe in the 70s it was a departmental rule that they had to have one Guinea and one Polack in each car. Let's go, Giuliano. Where's another Polack?

We put so many up there. Kozlowski, there you are. Okay, good. Get in the car with Giuliano. No, it's one Guinea and one Polack. It's department regulations. Ah, Christ. The union said.

A bunch of Puerto Ricans just joined the force. What the hell are we going to do with them now? I don't know. I guess put them with a Polack, too? I got one Polack and one. Yeah, we got a Puerto Rican and a Polack, and then we got the, I don't know, we'll throw an Italian in there once in a while, and that's how we're going to do it. That's all we've got on this force. Hey, you know, there's a real nice guy you should meet.

His name's John. John Gacy. You should go, you know, there's a real nice guy you should meet. His name's John. John Gacy. You should go to his house. It's a lot of fun. That guy's a good shit, I'll tell you what. Sweet guy. Sweet guy. Construction, you know.

If you pull him over, let him out of a ticket, though, because, you know, he drives real fast. Drives fast. Swerves all over the road. Hey, that's what's going on. So these two. He's going to pull that corporate card out. He's going to show you the little pass that we hand out to all the good guys. Remodeled my basement.

Good job. I tell you, good job. Brought a couple of young guys over. You know, next time I see him, I didn't see them young guys. I don't know what happened to them, but he's a good guy, I tell you. A real nice guy. Put a new sump pump down there. He's good at magic.

He's good. So these two get a call to investigate a suspicious automobile. Yeah. Which, I mean, it's Chicago in the 70s. There's probably a lot of suspicious automobiles. But it's parked at 140 South Whipple on the west side of the city. So they park behind the car. It's a maroon 1972

thunderbird license plate eg5322 right front window broken out ignition pulled so clearly a stolen car obviously so um they said apparently the 72 thunderbird is one of the easiest cars to steal in the history of car theft. Yeah. Apparently, it had a very easy ignition to yank. Fascinating. You could do it very easy without keys. You don't need it with a screwdriver or nothing.

You just pull it out. When they pull those then, is there like a little – do you know what I mean? Never mind. They used a lock pull, it's called seen i think you click it on and when you pull it out you kind of have control over the whole ignition mechanism i think then you can just twist it you can turn the whole thing over without the key being on the inside you don't have to like pull it out and then touch wires that's what i mean yeah i think it just couldn't yeah i'm not you know yeah i haven't stolen a lot of cars in the 1970s considering this is before i was born

but still a lot of 90s cars yeah Yeah, I don't know how that works. And those are super easy. I'm sure they are. So how fucking easy must this have been? Oh, God, yeah. And the 72 Thunderbird's an ugly piece of shit, too, so maybe that was the defense against it being stolen. We'll make it really ugly.

It's easy to steal, but it's hideous. No one wants it. You guys, we had an ignition problem. You just twist it and it starts. That's okay. But no one wants it. Nobody cares. We can't even sell these things. Look at it. it outside of rental cars we can't get rid of them it's all a light-hearted

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You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. So they said the interior of the car littered with broken glass yeah they said hubcaps were missing and the trunk is locked oh so they're like oh boy what's in the trunk now they're worried about that they open the trunk no nothing there no body or anything so that's good that's helpful um they find on the car an elk grove village tax stamp on the windshield yeah and so they get that they get the vin this cop radios the vin to the into the i guess dispatch or the station or whatever um they said the car had not been reported stolen okay yet obviously it's something's happened to it they run the registration they find

out the car belongs to somebody from well elkrow village right It's a guy named Frank Colombo. Yeah. Oh, Frank. He's going to be so mad. Frank fucking Colombo is going to be upset about this. He lives at 55 Brantwood in Elk Grove Village. So the crazy part is dispatch doesn't go, okay, cool, we'll get a hold of him. Ditch dispatch goes, you got a pen? Here's his number. Call this guy up and have him come get his car. I don't know how busy they are down at the station, but they probably have easier access to a phone than some cop on the street.

Probably got less shit to do than this guy. So this guy, Joe Giuliano, he's like, I know how to talk to Frank Colombo. Don't you just worry about it. Kozlowski, he'll hang right up on you. Don't worry. I know how to talk to this guy. Well, I got it. I got it.

All right. So he tries to call him up. He calls up three different times. No answer every time. At a pay phone or something. You know what I mean? That's the crazy part here. Yeah, there's no cell phone.

There's no car phone. Joe, you got a quarter? Call this motherfucker. What? At least he gets his quarter back. No answering machines back then or voicemail or anything so finally toward the end of their ship uh end of the shift they you know call up the dispatcher like i can't fucking find this guy and i'm going home so the department then does what they should have done to the first in the first place

and call the elk grove police department yeah and say hey you want to go over and tell this guy whatever since you probably have less to do than us? He's probably down the block. We're 30 minutes away. Yeah, I know how it goes. So they send a uniformed guy driving the old black and white patrol car. He goes over to 55 Brantwood and everything like that, gets out of his patrol car,

and he's walking up the driveway to the porch. And there's like a little walkway. There's a driveway and then a little walkway with nice bushes on the side of it that leads up to the front door. Very nice. Shrubs. Love that. Love a shrub.

Love a shrub. Shrubs are the best. It's a nice suburban house. It's kind of like house number two in the real estate report. It's very similar to that. Real wow. Just a wow. Wow factor.

Whoa. Look at that. There it is. Three bedrooms, one story. Holy shit. I just came in my pants what the fuck's going on fuck it's hot oh god jesus christ somebody hit me with a fucking taser because i am gonna fucking i'm gonna fuck this house i swear to god i'm gonna climb up on the roof fuck the chimney my dick is so hard somebody tase me tase i need voltage flowing through me it's the only

thing that's gonna calm it down wow tase me bro tase me that was a left turn i don't know what i'm talking about oh god so i think i'd rather come than be hit with a tase. Probably. What if you're trying to control yourself? At that point, you'd be like, somebody jerk me off. Yeah, it's probably better than being tased. Somebody blow me or tase me. I don't know which.

Whichever you prefer. Tase me, shoot me in the foot, or jerk me off. Something. I don't know which one. Just whatever you got to do. So as he's walking up to the place, he sees a couple of things that are a little suspicious, this officer, that there's too much mail sticking out of the mailbox. It's stuffed in there too much.

Also, down in front of the door are three issues of the Elk Grove Herald newspaper. Yeah. Consecutive days, including today's. Oh, boy. So he's like, okay, that's odd. Well, maybe they're on vacation. That's why that would make sense that their car would be stolen and they wouldn't know about it because maybe they're away. But then he hears a dog crying and sees that the door is cracked open.

Now, there's a storm door if you're from somewhere warm, you don't know what that is. But you know what a screen door is? Imagine a window in that. That's a storm door that is in front of the regular door. So the storm door is closed, but that's a window. So you can see that the door door is cracked open and there's a poodle in there. I'm going home. Yeah.

I know you don't like poodles. No. How do you love it? There's a poodle in here. I going home it's yeah it's i know you don't like poodles how do you hug how do you love it there's a poodle in here i can't do it guys i'm going home guys i know i've uh you know i'm here to stop crime and i've i've i've found dead bodies and i've done terrible i've seen a lot of bad things but i'm not petting a poodle that's where you can feel its bones through the fur i'm going home jimmy really hates poodles it's a it's an awful feel its bones through the fur. I'm going home. Jimmy really hates poodles. It's an awful dog. He sees it and he goes, ew.

I love every dog except that. Except the poodles. It's so funny. He really draws the line with poodles. I'm not doing it. He's just not okay with them. I hate seeing their skin. It's so weird.

I can't take it. Don't give Jimmy a hairless cat. He's going to freak out. Those creep me the fuck out. Throw it to the ground. For my daughter's birthday, I went to go buy her a ring, like a little girl ring. Don't give Jimmy a hairless cat. He's going to freak out. Those creep me the fuck out. Throw it to the ground. For my daughter's birthday, I went to go buy her a ring, like a little girl ring from this jewelry store by my house. There's a fucking hairless cat in there.

I walked in. I was like, oh, my God. And it was moving. I was like, oh, my God, it's real. And the lady goes, yeah, yeah. She's the owner, as a cute joke. And I was like, well, tell her I ain't buying shit. I'm not going to be around that thing. I'm'm not gonna be around that thing i'm not gonna be around that thing i won't i won't look at its skin i won't i refuse to look

at its skin so bizarre tell her she ain't paying her mortgage i'm leaving jesus christ keep that fucking thing at home for Christ's sake. We're so punchy today. We're both on very little sleep. We're just very punchy today, both of us. It's hilarious. We're having such a good time here. So anyway, he sees the door with this very terrifying poodle in there.

It's an awful dog. Sees all of that. It's the mail, the stolen car, and the door cracked. I'm leaving. I'm not sticking around. It's weird. As a cop, your job is to figure this out is the problem. Yeah, but

isn't the job to notify of the car? Well, yes. Now he's seeing some suspicious shit. I mean, he could just be like, I don't know. They didn't answer and left, I guess. That would have been a thing to do. But instead, he notices the storm door is unlocked. So he's like, okay, that's weird.

So he knocks. He waits. Maybe somebody's in the shower. Right. Who knows? It's like they can't hear something. Maybe they're taking a dump. What do I know?

They're in the shower a lot. Who am I? Didn't even hear the newspaper the last three days. That's it. They've really been ill. It's been terrible. So he backs off. He looks around a little.

He checks out the outside of the house. No windows broken no like uh richard ramirez night stalker milk crate up in front of a door with a vfvf footprints on them yeah in the dirt none of that no you know the obvious things of anything like that everything looked fine except this door open it doesn't make sense why you do that so that's very weird so he calls up dispatch and he's like listen um I need some assistance over here at the notification of the stolen car. So they laugh at him. The dispatch laughs at him and they go, are you fucking literally are you fucking kidding?

Like, you don't understand. There's a lot of clues of weird shit. You're telling a guy his car is fucking thing. And he goes, there's something funny about this place. It doesn't look right and it doesn't feel right. Request assistance. And there's like a long pause and they just go, 10-4. There's a long pause to hear like whether he's going to go, no, I'm just fucking around.

And then they're like, are you serious? All right, I guess. Whatever. Take another uniform off the street for this dick fucking idiot so later on the dispatcher said there was something about his voice that didn't seem like he was kidding and it seemed like maybe he's serious also this is pretty like official is this a thing that cops kid about probably i need assistance get people i don't think they kid about that usually he didn't say shots fine it's not an emergency what happens next time he says need assistance. Get people. I don't think they get about that usually. He didn't say shots fired.

It's not an emergency. What happens next time he says need assistance? Like he's full of shit. He's always saying that shit. He's holding a gun. There's like eight fucking bank robbers and presidential masks holding people at bay. He's like, I request fucking assistance. Maybe he shouldn't have called assistance about the car notification.

Crying wolf again. There he is. Who cried assistance. There he is. He needs, cried assistance. There he is. He needs, quote, assistance. You know what I mean, everybody? Yeah, okay, let's all give him some assistance. So either way, they're waiting.

A couple minutes later, another police car pulls up, and another cop gets out, and they were just about two blocks away. So he says, what's going on here? What the fuck? And the original cop says, I'm not sure. Front door's open. Dog's whining inside.

Three days' worth of newspapers. Mailbox cropped grand with mail. Doesn't feel right. So the other cop goes, well, let's take a fucking look. Let's see what we got now that there's four of us here. Let's take a peek and see what we're doing. So they open the storm door and they push their way inside. Now, right away,

it's one of these houses where, you know, you got a picture. It, uh, it's a split level. So when you walk in, you walk into a small,

there's like a little foyer area where you take your jacket off a little hook and all that kind of shit. And then it's immediately you walk into a wall and then go upstairs and going up the stairs, you would, uh, that's to the, you're going up to the living level. Right. So it's one of those. So as you go up the stairs, you would – that's going up to the living level.

So it's one of those. So as you go up the stairs, at some point, like your face is even with the floor of the living room. You can look over at the floor of the living room and walk up. So that's how it's one of those, all right? So they start walking up right away in the landing on the bottom. Right when they walk in the door, they see some blood there, right there. Fucking told you guys. That's a problem.

Yeah. It's an issue. Yeah. some blood there right there fucking told you guys that's a problem yeah it's an issue yeah um then you and you remember the pictures of this there are the crime scene as they go up the stairs at the top of the stairs it looks like i can't even explain the amount of blood in the car oh yeah it's splashed it's smeared all over the walls the carpet is like thick with it. It looks like you could wring out a couple of cups of blood. It's maddening. The grave digger has two cups of blood.

That's where they got it from. Wring it out. You should have seen the poodle. It looked like a used tampon just running around. They're like, don't let it rub up on your leg. Why? Because it's a poodle? No, because look at it.

It's high absorbent it's very absorbent usually it was very small to begin with now it's looks like it's got to go 30 pounds now right put it in the toilet and watch the strain somebody had a heavy day jesus christ on your heavy days, ride a poodle to work. That's it. That's how you get there. All taken care of, should be. On the scale of light to super, you got like your Bichon Frise.

Yeah. Maybe a Lhasa Apso. And then your Supermax day poodle. It's a poodle for a super max because it's that woolen it's that fur it's really uh it's dense yeah and then like the last day you're just like a chihuahua because you don't need much how do you think what do you think women did back in the day before products it's gotta be dog right that's why poodle that's well poodles are large makes sense now they made miniature ones why do you think they bred them that way

now i love them they're heroes for christ's sake they're menstrual assistance animals usually it's what they called that's how they bred them i don't know but either way you can bring them to the airport they have a vest and everything. It's wonderful. They're recognized, absolutely recognized by the FAA or whoever does that. I don't know. So as they find this, as they're walking up the stairs, the cops can see the blood, and then they can look over and see the living room floor as they're coming up the steps. And one of the cops says, quote, Holy Christ, which is not what you want to hear. That's some bad things.

Oh, that's bad. So they look out through the wrought iron little, you know, whatever that is between the stairs and the living room is a wrought iron handrail. Yes. You don't fall into the stairs from the living room, basically. And they see the body of a man lying there. And he is clearly not alive. He's lying on his back. He's wearing pants and socks.

No shirt. His face and stomach are what they describe as grotesquely swollen. Oh, boy. Very swollen. His head, his chest caked with dry blood, smudges of blood all over the place around him. We'll talk about his injuries. They are severe. But all around him, a soaked around him. We'll talk about his injuries. They are severe. But all around him, a soaked chair cushion lay on the floor near his body.

They're like, holy shit, this place is fucking crazy. What is happening? That's at that moment that one of them looks down the hall, turns away from this body, and sees something and says, quote, Jesus, there's another one. Oh, no. This isn't good. No. So lying partly in the hall off to the right was the body of a woman. Also on her back, blonde hair.

She's bloody as fuck, like 80s Ric Flair with bloody blonde hair. Nightgown, she's got a robe on. Nightgowns, everything's kind of pulled down, but it looks like she's been dragged on the carpet so they don't suspect a sexual they don't suspect anything sexual is going on here they think she's been dragged on the carpet and then pulls your yeah grab the garments yeah grabs your garments and pulls it down. That happens a lot. So once they see this, they go, holy shit, is it? It's really hot in here, isn't it? I get that it's only the beginning of May, so it shouldn't be this. It's sweltering in here.

The heat is set at 97. Wow. So they go, let's get the fuck out of here. This is clearly something that is, this isn't an accident. Right. Nobody hit their head and fell down. Somebody killed the dog. The thing's vicious. It dog the thing's vicious it is i'm telling you i'm telling you good guard dog maybe i'm keeping it so either way they get the fuck out of there they basically run

out um they call the dispatch from the car and go holy shit there's double homicide suicide promise you know murder suicide We have no fucking idea. This is above what we do. We notify about stolen cars, you guys. That's what I'm doing. We fucking told you we needed backup. Well, the backup was on traffic patrol two blocks away. So they're just sitting there waiting for people speeding in a school zone or something.

And now they're finding this. So there's not a lot of, you know, let's go. That's a change of the day.ives arrive yeah okay now inside the house they find what they described as unlike anything they'd ever seen before the carnage um in the living room the body of the man there is determined to be frank colombo the man they were trying to get a hold of. And he's 43 years old, Frank Columbo. And the other, the woman, is Mary Columbo, his wife, who's 40 years old. So he is dressed in plain slacks. He's got socks and no shoes.

He is soaked in blood. His face is covered. He has gunshot wounds. He has a slit across his throat. My God. He has stab wounds. He has evidence of torture, like cigarette burns on his chest as well. And not only that, he has several deep block-shaped, like right angle, block-shaped lacerations that go two or more inches into his skull.

Into his skull. Jesus. Into his skull. Jesus. Like a meat tenderizer. A meat tenderizer, a fucking framing hammer, something like really hardcore. Yeah. Yeah, one of that type, but not the framing. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, the ones with the big nozzle on the end.

The big nozzle. Is that what it's called? To dispense hammering. You want to turn on the hammer spot for me? The nozzle on the end of the- Full blast, buddy, yeah. Get it flowing. How are we supposed to frame this house without it on full blast?

Jesus Christ. Delivering a payload of punishment to this house. It's like it's not even trying. Open the nozzle. Holy shit. You know what I mean. This is deep. Yeah, into the skull. I mean, it is. They're like nose holy shit you know what i mean so this is deep yeah into the skull i mean it is they're like holy shit this is this guy has been he's been killed several times a square hole

yeah actually he multiple things he could have been dead from yeah by the look of it there is glass all over the place yeah shards of glass slivers chips of glass some are green some are clear and then right near there they find a ripped up lampshade that's all bloody, and they don't find any lamp. So they're assuming the broken glass is from this lamp. There you go. That was used as a weapon. Clever. So they're doing that.

They're looking all around. They also find four teeth lying on the floor nearby. Overhead, the ceilings are blood spattered two distinct directions yeah of blood spatter indicating separate upward swings of an instrument so multiple swings is what they're getting at there um the uh on the glass coffee table on the underside of the glass there's a bunch of blood spatter which means that this happened while he was on the ground. He was just being beaten for the blood to spatter up like that. Pretty wild, this whole scene. So they check.

They feel like they got a pretty good overview of him. So they move down the hall to Mary. She's lying in front of an open bathroom door, has an inch-wide cut all the way across her throat. Throat been cut clean. Face has blood all over her. In the center, right between the eyes, a perfect right between the eyes round gunshot hole. Right there as well.

Her head also has been bashed in with a block shaped instrument. So it is a, it's really. That's a scene, man. It's a lot. And they're like, well, maybe a robbery. You know what I mean? And it got out of hand. They tried well maybe a robbery you know what i mean and got out of hand they tried to fight back you know who knows a couple of guineas you know i'm not gonna go down easy without i worked for this you motherfuckers so instead uh they look down

though and she has a large diamond ring on her left ring finger so it's not fast so that seems odd to miss that you know what i mean or shitty mean? Shitty robbers if they missed a giant diamond on a ring. Where that thing usually goes. Where you'd look for one, yeah. So they also hear an alarm clock buzzing at this point. So they find a clock radio next to the bed that goes through this bathroom into a bedroom. The alarm was set for 9 o'clock, no indication whether it was a.m. or p.m. So they shut the alarm off because it's annoying.

They move through the house. They note that there's blood smeared all over several walls and on both sides of one door. This was a gruesome scene. A gruesome scene of people trying to run for their lives and being brutally fucking slaughtered, essentially. So they're like oh my god uh now on a section of the stairs they find a clear empty plastic sheath with a fold over top it's made for scissors it's a little scissor case like sewing scissors type of deal here in another place they find a white leather purse on the floor with its contents strewn about. So like it had been dumped over.

The purse has been gone through. In the kitchen, the telephone's off the hook, which is odd because the officer had been calling all day. Right. So. What the fuck? They're like, these people have, this didn't happen today. No. These people have been here for a couple days, yet somebody hung the phone or somebody took the phone off the hook today yeah that's interesting uh very odd so they're

that's that's a they're like that's why wasn't it busy solid clue that's the other thing too there used to be something called a busy signal if you're very young if you're very young you don't know this though they don't have it anymore yeah when you'd call somewhere before call waiting yeah and they were already on the phone it would just go and that meant tough shit sorry hang up call back later it's literally busy they're literally talking to somebody else can't get no text can break through to them nothing so uh they're like that doesn't make any sense but if there's a phone off the hook it would be you get a busy signal if you called or if it's on the hook it would ring yeah they exist now right now but it's like a when you call it

goes it's like yeah it's the most gentle thing it used to be like this person's not busy you fucking dick wait a minute he used to be like something was on fire it was like an alarm clock it's what it sounded like and it it was, yeah, they're busy. Whatever you have isn't that important, you fucking impatient cocksucker. That's what they said to you. The most go away sound you've ever heard. Really? You hang right up. Oh, God.

Jesus. Jesus. Now, next to the telephone, a small personal telephone book of Frank's lays open. On the floor is a pile of garbage, like a small garbage can has been turned over which is odd in a closet downstairs they discover a large wall safe okay it is securely locked and doesn't appear that anybody tried to crowbar it open or fuck with it or anything it's just sitting there but on that same level there are draws uh drawers open draws drawers open in dressers and things like that, contents strewn about. They also find a three-shelf section here on the wall that's all bowling trophies.

Frank's a good bowler, by the way. He's like, this is my high series from spring of 73. I'm very proud of this one. This is the highest average of the league right here. It's pretty fucking good. I averaged it 228 for the whole night that night. Four games. I don't know.

I'm proud of it. It's all I'm saying. Now, all bowling trophies, and they're all perfectly lined up, except there's one space that seems like there's a trophy that should be there that there isn't one. So they look, and there is dust all around it, perfectly square. So there was a trophy there until very recently. So they're like, interesting.

Maybe that's the square. Who did he beat that night? Yeah. There you go. Who's the other team? That's right. Plug into that five. Yeah.

The boxcar bombers are upset. It's a team they were playing that night. So, uh, either way they find that now upstairs, they see a bunch of like loose jewelry scattered around. Yeah. Just like somebody had a handful of jewelry and just like threw it.

Yeah. Which is strange. Um, chair cushions are all over the floor. One chair had blood on it. Um, it was a fucking all over the floor. One chair had blood on it. It was a fucking mess. In the bathroom is a copy of the Elk Grove Herald that's dated Tuesday, May 4th, three days earlier.

And they got that. They got that one. And then the other three are the 5th, 6th, and 7th are out on the porch. So that's the day that this happened, clearly between those two times. So then they finally get to the last bedroom in the house on the upper level. There's finally a last bedroom, and they discover another body oh no this one too it is their 13 year old son michael colombo is his name poor michael he's 13 years old he's got a white t-shirt and blue sweatpants on um his head blood all over him as well next to him lying next to him is a mangled bowling trophy with a marble base okay um the silver little bowler guy on top is twisted

and uh he didn't break off though didn't break it this thing was used to beat three people over the head and all it did was twist that's a quality trophy and not to take anything away from whoever made that maybe you use this that's an advertisement that's what i mean this is a quality trophy it really is that's a good bowling league it's also a great advertisement for newspapers you know how nobody buys a newspaper every newspaper in the country should be like we may help solve your murder we may help solve your murder at least set the time actually no you have a ring doorbell now. So never mind. It's fine.

You have a simply say for you have whatever you have. You got cameras watching the whole thing. Never mind. Never mind the newspaper. You'll know what happened. So this poor kid, he's laying here. It's horrible, man. They see that there is blood stains here about 18 inches from his head as well.

And they say it's pretty obvious that he'd been laying face down at first and been rolled over. Oh, yeah. One forearm has like a bloody handprint on it like somebody rolled him that way. Now, when they look at him, they notice that his chest, they think that he has measles because he has red marks all over his chest. They're like, I wonder if he's sick. Does he have measles? Then they realize they're all stab wounds. Oh, my God.

He's got so many stab wounds that they think it's measles, for Christ's sake. Measles look like stab wounds? I guess so, from a glance. Oh, God, that's so horrible. So they look around. They're like, holy shit. By the way, he'll end up having 87 stab wounds in his chest. Holy shit.

87 stab wounds. It's a lot, man. On a metal closet door, there's an indentation that looks like a bullet ricocheted off of it. Yeah. And so they were looking around for the bullet. Nearby, they find a pair of gold-colored sewing scissors with blood on them and i've seen that we have the crime scene picture and it's you can tell they've been squeezed together and used as a weapon here so this is fucking horrible and just to give you a rundown of the wounds here

mary'd been shot between the eyes throat slashed and beaten with the trophy and probably a vase frank had been shot four times in the head, hit with a lamp and a bowling trophy, stabbed in the throat and chest several times, and had cigarette burns on him. Michael, 13 years old, shot in the head once, beaten with a bowling trophy, stabbed 87 times with a pair of scissors.

That's too far, man. Somebody really fucking... Somebody's mad at somebody went far this is i don't even know what to say about this this is fucking crazy like who the hell who would do that with the kid there too right like we'll get the kid too just as bad you know what i mean like it's one thing to kill the parents and the kids there he's a witness we got to kill the kid some sort of you is a witness. We got to kill the kid. Some sort of, you know, organized crime thing or, you know, Colombian drug dealers or something. But let's let's make sure the kid gets it as bad as anyone is a very odd.

After probably everybody else is dead. Let's destroy a child that it won't hurt them at all because they won't even see it. It's it's crazy. That's what I mean. It's it's far away. It's not like they made him watch. It's super weird there's no way to to make any sense of this so outside while this is all being done obviously now once they found the first body there are cars and ambulances and fucking it's the biggest thing in town obviously and the first cops are still

throwing up on the lawn yeah they're still there like sitting off to the side smoking cigarettes going jesus i'll never forget it it's over jesus christ i just wanted to make a stolen car notification my life is ruined i was on traffic duty this is ridiculous i'm supposed to hide christmas gifts this year not doing it not doing it can't do it no not even getting a tree forget it so what all the neighbors have now gathered too too. They're all over there. And somebody says, who's going to tell Patty? Where's Patty? Where is she? Well, who's fucking Patty?

Well, Patty is their daughter. Oh. By the way. The dog, by the way. The poodle gets taken by a relative. That's nice. Poodle's fine. Relative that can stand poodles.

Is that the first time that? No, it's happened before. The whole family's wiped out and the dog's okay. Yeah, that's happened a bunch of times. Somebody will take it. It rare though yeah that's uh but the poodle by the way would would go and like hang out by mary a lot so while they were doing that so um they collect all sorts of evidence they get the bowling trophy they get um you know they get all that kind of shit um you know they said obviously this is your club here they said the kid was standing up when he was shot.

The bullet came out the right side of his head, hit the door, and ricocheted. It was a through and through. That's how they decided it. Yeah, right through his head there. Oh, my God. So they started kind of digging their fingers through. This is 70s shag carpet, so it's deep. They're digging their fingers here, and after after a few minutes they find the slug

actually and the carpet buried in there somewhere so they're moving all around they're trying to not to fuck up fingerprints obviously they get a fingerprint from a handrail on the stairs they get one from a door jam a partial pump print secured in the utility room one from the telephone great um yeah they do all this type of thing here. They find they get all the carpet samples, chair cushions, a bunch of wallpaper, because they don't know if the blood came from the victims or maybe the- Great point. Yeah, if there's a knife involved, you could cut yourself and then bleed all over the place.

They cut out the kitchen linoleum and take that. Anything they could find with blood on it, they take it to test it. They find there's significant things here. They find the medicine cabinet had a lot of prescription pills in it, like older people in the 70s had. Not that 40s is old, but anybody over 30 in the 70s, an undetermined quantity of Valium, things like that. Undetermined?

Just a shitload of Valium. You can count them probably. Is it liquid for Christ's sake? Yeah, what are we talking about here? So they also got a bunch of broken glass that they were going to try to piece together and see what it was basically. Holy shit. So then they talk about, oh, yeah, by by the way then we got the colombo car that was the whole point of being here right that was in chicago that's another piece of evidence to

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They moved there and were very happy. They had a daughter named Patty at first. Patty is 19 now, in 1976. They have a daughter named Patty, and then later on they have Michael as well. So, you know,'s uh they're they're there's not a lot that they can really find dad frank has an auto parts he manages an auto parts business and then he also has like investments in a couple of business one that that uh leases out

like workers to laborers to companies and stuff like that so he's got a couple of things going on temp agency of day laborers that kind of sort of thing yeah kind of uh but he's a businessman local businessman doing small businesses fine and bowls on at night he's dead bowls he's into cb radios oh um it's a 76 everybody was in the cb him and michael were into it together it was fascinating it was a weird thing it's bizarre that you can grab a box press a button talk and somebody else somewhere else someone you don't even you don't even know who it's going to be is the crazy part that's the crazy part that's what it is you can do that with a phone but it's somebody else we don't know we don't know just a voice and you're looking for

anybody a voice says some shit back to you so the next day in the newspaper they say and this is from what is this asshole's name uh conkey he's a chicago uh he's a not a chicago he is an elk grove cop and he immediately says that there may be a connection between colombo's death and his part owner ownership in a chicago cartage company That's garbage, by the way. And a second firm which supplies laborers. He described Colombo as, and in the paper they really put some stank on this because they have everything in quotes. They describe him as a, in quotes, silent partner in the firms. Silent partner is not a quote.

It's a thing. Silent partner means somebody that has a money investment and isn't there all the time right no need for quotes but the quotes make it sound nefarious right one of those job guys that's a no-show guy yeah you know what that means he also said that um that his colombo's business associates in the two firms are quote in quotes are not cooperating with with police why is that in quotes why attribute that quote to somebody maybe they're just minding their own fucking business ever think of that who knows um so they said yeah they're gonna they're gonna probably try to get the state's attorney to prepare some subpoenas and then things for those

kind of people because they got a probe mob ties guy's name is colombo you know close to chicago he did something in garbage he's got to be in the mob i'm sure this is a retaliatory thing totally normal the mob usually wipes out a whole family especially the kid a long period of time of murder yeah you don't want to get in and get out you really want to get in there spend some time spend some time with them and make sure that kid gets at the worst really connect with the family that kid gave me a dirty look i didn't like it i'll tell you what i think it's him getting in his father's ear i'm gonna be honest with you so in the colombo safe which was not open we found out they found seventy thousand dollars cash in there But, so they were like, see? But then they also found his financial records, insurance papers, his will, and his, like

a ledger, log. This is his bank with ins and outs and put this to that. It's all legitimate stuff. He just, rather than a bank, he puts his money in a safe and keeps the track of it like a bank. He doesn't collect that tiny bit of interest that gives people a reason to put money in there. He's got it all on his own. If you know any older Italian people, this is very common.

Because all of them are sitting there going, I know what's going to happen. Mussolini will take over again and all the banks will close and we'll have to go into the mountains and fight bears and hide from Nazis. I get it. We need the cash. We need to keep it at home. That's how it was my grandmother. That was my grandfather, that's all of them. So that's how it is.

They like cash businesses where they can hoard the cash. It's funny how events, and specifically historical ones, shape who you are. It really does. It really does. They'll keep all the cash in the house in the walls and shit like that. They really get dramatic about it. It's funny how 60 years, almost 100 years later, like they really get dramatic about it funny how uh 60 years almost 100 years later they're still making documentaries about it that's that would make you want to keep

your shit at home keep your shit at home and it's it trickles down yeah so he it's all the generations so he they said that they um this conkey guy or conkey he said he determined colombo used cash in nearly every transaction and he said the family's lifestyle was way better than it should have been on the salary of a manager of an auto parts store. So he says Mr. Colombo is either a very good investor or a careful man with money matters. Aren't those the same thing? Yeah, in other words, he's crooked and we know it um he's either very good with money or you know savvy investor same fucking thing you dummy same shit they also found tax returns found in the safe that did not mention his interest in two

chicago firms which police say deal only on a cash basis that's so no one has to file taxes that's why they fucking deal in cash that's the whole point so um they were last seen alive the whole family about 9 p.m on may 4th as they returned home from a restaurant they all went out to eat uh police speculate here that three or four intruders entered the house as they were preparing for bed here they said entry was gained by activating an automatic garage door in the garage and probably forcing a lock on a door that led from the garage to the basement family room. They say they've brought up a big list of people, no fewer than 20 names on this list of people, of these gangsters that could be responsible for this.

Either intruders or trespassers, one of the two. One of the two. Intruders or either mobsters or gangsters, one of the two. One of the two. Either mobsters or gangsters. One of the two. We haven't figured it out yet. Which one? We're unsure. A group of four human beings or homo sapiens. We can't figure it out yet. We have four people

or they could be humans. We're not sure. Either one. What an idiot. So then they said that they are probing syndicate ties to him, saying that police found an address book, Elk Grove police found an address book belonging to Frank Colombo containing, this is right in the newspaper, this is in an actual print from a newspaper, containing names similar to known crime syndicate figures they found similar what does that say to you not the same he knew italian people being an italian guy that's a big stretch wild they said

although some of the names di stefano de bartolo and gargano are the same as known mob figures like the police say the newspaper then editorializes this to go on to say, they're also common Italian last names. De Stefano, De Bartolo, Gargano. Remember those names. Okay.

Just remember that. They're that boot country's names of Jones Smith and Thomas. Yeah. No fucking shit. So there, that's what they say. So they also say they received a letter in the mail uh naming two men as the killers it was just an anonymous letter in the mail so that could be

anybody going at my friend frank's an asshole or whatever so they're like the only person alive in this family left is patty we got to talk to patty patty's's their daughter. She's 19 years old. She would know what her parents were into and up to anyway. Patricia Patty Colombo here, 19 years old. And Patty, Patty's kind of hot shit. Yeah, Patty's like, well, I showed you the picture of her. Patty is. Oh, the smoke show. Yeah, she's pretty sexy for like the 70s.

She's got, you know, she's definitely got something about her. She's 19. She's got a swagger just standing. She's got a way about her. Oh, boy. That's my uptown girl right there. There you go, man. So she is they talk to her and she's crying and, you know, trying to get information.

They said, where was your father employed? He said at the what she says at the western auto parts supply terminal down in chicago she said when i was a little girl he used to take me to work with him and you know i would help him and all this type of shit did your mother work she said no she never worked dad wouldn't let her how old was michael he just turned 13 uh can you tell me about valuables that were kept in the house she said i don't don't know. I haven't lived at home for over a year. She lives on her own, Patty, so she doesn't know. She said, I know my mother had a few diamond rings, some diamond earrings, and a gray fox stole.

It was like a, you know, whatever. Those are valuable. Yeah. So they said, did your father keep large sums of money? And she said, I don't think so. He never talked about it. If he did, he keeps his fucking mouth shut. That's the thing about money.

Don't talk about it. She said any keeps his fucking mouth shut money yeah don't talk about it she said any money would have been in his safe i guess um it's in a downstairs closet at the end of the hall and they said yeah we saw it do you have the combination and she said no he said okay meanwhile they had already forced it open they said do you know if there's any guns in the house and she said i know of michael's bb That's about it. I don't know of any other guns in the house. And they said, when was the last time you talked to your parents? And she said, a couple of days ago, I mean, you know, just a couple of days ago, uh, she said that, uh, dad called me to talk about my wedding plans. So we'll talk about, she's got a boyfriend. Uh, we've been

on the outs for a while and he didn't approve of my boyfriend. And, um, you know, so he said, she said, quote, my dad was real old fashioned, you know, I'm his only daughter, but he kind of finally came around and accepted my boyfriend and him and my mom were actually looking forward to the wedding. Um, so Patty said, can I tell you about the crank calls I've been receiving? Oh, please do. The cop said, please. And she said, it's been going on for two or three weeks now. I'll answer my phone and some guy will say, is this Pat?

Then starts breathing real heavy like he's panting. I didn't think much about them. But now that this happened, I don't know. She said, you know, so the cop said they may or may not have anything to do with what happened, but we can place a tap on your phone to find out where they're coming from. Right. And she said, please. Judging by the looks of you i'd be calling you too yeah maybe it's just someone from work that's a fucking weirdo pervert you ever think of any perverts at work so they said um you know what the fuck basically that he she said well i want

to know about funeral arrangements too did you find anything that says what kind of funeral funeral arrangements they wanted? Do you have that information? Was that in the house? Is there a will? Yeah. She said, my Uncle Mario, my father's brother, is trying to take charge of everything, but I think they would want me to do it. So I don't know what to do.

So they said, I don't know. We're not really looking at that right now. If we find it, we'll let you know. We don't plan funerals, lady. Yeah. Is this a funeral parlor out front? You see that? A police station. This is a funeral parlor out front? You see that? A police station.

What the fuck does it say out there? Does it say fucking community outreach center? No. So after the interrogation, they called it. Just any time they talk to anybody, it's an interrogation. She is interviewed by reporters as well. She was outside and reporters talked to Patty here. And they asked about is there any suspicions about her

family's murder. Do you know anybody that you're suspicious of? She said, I don't know. Quote, the only thing I can think is that whoever did it must have been high on drugs or something or else they're very sick people. Which is kind of an obvious understatement there. Yeah, that's it. So then they say, Miss Colombo,

the police have a personal phone book taken from your family's home that contains several names that may be Chicago crime syndicate figures. Yeah. And she's like, OK. They said, do you fear for your life? And she says, I do. Yes. Marked my brother.

Yeah. Even my brother. I get weird phone calls and panting. She said, I've had the locks changed on my door and I keep a large German shepherd in my apartment. Damn right. God damn it. I'm not right she does. God damn it. I'm not taking any shit. Got a fucking poodle.

See what it did. So this is turning into a fucking circus at this point. So they kick the Elk Grove department out of here. You guys don't know how to investigate this. The Cook County Sheriff's Office takes over, and they know how to investigate murder. So we got this. The first, the guy assigned to it yeah the member the uh di stefano de bardolo gargano right you know crime figure names those bad men the lead

investigator gene gargano doesn't see it that way or james he's doing this because he's got to cover this shit up for his brother or him he might have a whole thing going on he might be like uh you know the guys in new york there that were doing that gotta disappear it yeah bolido and those guys yeah i'm telling you so they were that's this this gene gargano comes in and um he's got to you know interview everybody over again and he's basically starting from scratch he throws the mob investigation right through that's in a right garbage yeah there's nothing he looks at it goes we've in chicago we've seen mob hits this ain't one of them that's all there is to it so patty says that she talks to patty she says on tuesday may 4th she got home uh she got to her apartment uh she

was at kentucky fried chicken got some chicken got home at 6 o'clock. Her phone was ringing. It was her father. She talked to him for about 30 minutes that night. You know, there's blah, blah, blah. That's it. That's all she knows. She said that that was the last she talked to him. But Gargano also interviews Gloria Rizzuto over here.

Gloria is Frank Colombo's fucking sister. Hey, Gloria. So she says that she spoke to them on May 2nd. over here. Gloria's Frank Colombo's fucking sister. Hey, Gloria! So she says that she spoke to them on May 2nd was the last time she spoke to the family. She said that she spoke to Mary and Mary said she and Frank

hadn't seen Patty for a month at that point. Oh. Yeah, which was interesting. She told she said that Gloria Rizzuto said that Mary had said that Patty was flaky, which she's 19. I mean, what 19-year-old kid isn't a little flaky? Yeah, but whenever she spoke with Patty, Mary would become terribly upset, she said. She's always upset her and all that sort of thing.

Gloria said she tried to encourage her brother to communicate with Patty to smooth things out because Mary didn't want to make the effort. But, you know, they said they hadn't made up at that point, though. Meanwhile, Patty said everything was fine. So who knows their autopsy here? This is a little bit. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's a heavy one, man.

It's a heavy one. This is this is Frank here. Let's just read some of it here. Wow, Jesus Christ. Lacerations on the top side and front of the head been caused by striking with a blunt instrument of some kind. They're not going to say what it was in the report. They found on the left side of the neck

a number of round brown areas resembling burns, such as might have been made by a lit cigarette. This is the head. Four bullet entry wounds and no bullet exit wounds in Frank's head. They all stayed. All stayed. Bullet number one entered the head on the right side of the face and is being retrieved from the sphenoid. The bullet number two entered the mouth and is being retrieved from inside the the sinus a number of teeth are missing from the

upper and lower gums from the bullet and they found those on the floor bullet number three entered the left side of the face and is being retrieved from immediately behind the left cheek bone which is fractured as well oh boy so that's a lot uh the bullets all deformed they said as well bullet four entered the back of the left ear and is being retrieved from the temporal bone it never entered the skull it just kind of went up and skidded around it wow like a ram's helmet exactly did a little gave him a little horn jesus so it's pretty fucking wild here um the theory is they the home invasion hypothesis they don't think it's them they know it's at the mafia so they're they're still in the three or four people

must have come in. Yeah. Pick the side door lock probably. Caught him getting ready for bed. Maybe Frank heard some noises. Went downstairs to investigate it where they overpowered him. Stabbed, shot, bludgeoned,

especially if there's a few of them. And then his wife was there. Now they're saying that they're unsure. There might have been some, Mary may have been raped and may not have been raped. Now they're saying that they're unsure. There might have been some some Mary may have been raped and may not have been raped. Now they're talking about. So, again, that's not usual for a mob hit. Most of the time you're doing a mob hit.

You keep your dick in your pants. Yeah. So he said they said at that point to the maybe they just killed the teenage son. So there'd be no witnesses. That's that's what they're thinking here. But then why wouldn't they steal everything? Nothing makes sense. And why would you do it that much? maybe they just killed the teenage son so there'd be no witnesses. That's what they're thinking here. But then why wouldn't they steal everything? Nothing makes sense.

And why would you do it that much? Yeah, it's so weird. Then they said, well, they talked to Patty again, Patty, and they say, do you know anybody, I mean really anything? And she goes, you know what? There is something. My mom's sister told me this. Don't know if it's anything, but it might be helpful.

Don't know if you're interested, but my might be helpful. Don't know if you're interested, but my dad and my brother were super into CBs. And again, if you're young and you don't know what a CB is, a trucker holding a thing with a cord on it, going breaker, breaker, one, that's a CB. Now you see truckers have those to talk to each other to tell them there's a smoky and my pokey up in my up in makaloki up there you you got all that but back in the 70s everyone had these not only in their cars in their fucking homes just in their homes they just have a cb sitting there for some reason i don't know why the whole country was obsessed with this technology who's the first internet so rude yeah yeah you called it texas texas tinder i called it yeah and the and the one that's what it is betty lou beats betty lou beats she was using it as texas tinder she was finding all her boyfriends out on the cb this is fascinating it's so strange. My family all had them, too.

Everybody did in the 70s. At home. They all had fucking handles. So creepy. It's so weird. So she said they were really into CB. They had Citizens Band radios all over the house, and they belonged to a CB club. Oh, my God.

Now, in the 70s, there's probably a lot of people. Imagine that group, say, 1991, when it's dwindled down to four guys with just a couple of stringy hairs in their mullet and the rest of it bald and they're paunchy and fat. You used to have to have your own channel. Now, everybody's just got one community channel. Yeah, it doesn't matter anymore. No one cares. Nobody's talking over each other. No, no. There's nobody there.

Jesus. That's the other thing about it. It was one voice at a time. Oh, yeah. That's it. And then you had to... other. No, no, there's nobody there. Jesus. That's the other thing about it. It was one voice at a time. Oh, yeah, that's it. And then you had to... Yeah. Okay, well... You had to key up your mic one voice at a time.

That's really difficult. Can't have a conversation. Yeah, which really was difficult in the end of, I believe it was season three of Stranger Things when he needed to get help from his girlfriend to sing the NeverEnding Story song. They both sang at the same time together and you could hear each other. Well, you can't do that on a CB. No, you can't. It's only one or the other. Sorry. One person doesn't hear

the other and they think they're the only ones singing. Luckily, they're like, well, kids that watch this don't know what a fucking CB is anyway. They just go, that's that cool old whatever walkie-talkie thing. They don't know that you can't do that. It's a walkie-talkie where everybody screams together. And if any of the parents say to their kids that you can't do that they'll just tell them to shut the fuck up and watch the show watch they're doing it right now see the never-ending story by

the way what is the never-ending story dad because i never heard of that either i understand the point of this song don't know that see there's this giant weird dog all right check that let's see we got a star from the beginning so patty goes well my aunt said she thought that maybe some cb-ers had been involved in what happened four of them bust in there you got c beef c beef broke in there looking for you rigatoni 43 where's beg zedia where is he so they said that dad she said maybe that happened because quote dad recently had something to do with the disciplining of a member who was giving the club problems oh no what kind of he was on the wrong band and he got, what kind of problems could he be causing?

That's literally the only one. Yeah, that's all you can have a problem with. He leaves the mic keyed up for three seconds after he's done talking. It's real annoying. It's real annoying. You can't get a flow going with the guy. You know what I mean? There's no flow conversationally.

I can't pop it up. So she said, I didn't know anything about it myself. My aunt thought you ought to know so this isn't even me and uh they said yeah we want to know anything like that anything at all any little leads could be a big lead who the fuck knows so then they figured out that the investigation team found that an expensive cb radio that was missing from the murder house was being they found it being sold in an open air market in Chicago two days after the bodies were found. Oh, shit. So just somebody had like a blanket out on the street with a bunch of shit.

Yeah. And it was stolen shit. The guy who was selling it, they didn't think he had anything to do with it. He just bought it from somebody on the street. Now he's selling it again. That's it. The buyer actually came forward with it after he heard about the stuff. The guy who was trying to sell it came forward because he found the name Columbo etched on the underside.

Oh, shit. And so he put two and two together, and he actually went to turn it into the cops. Wow. Which for some guy selling shit on the street, that's pretty upstanding. It sure is. Yeah. Because that guy's doing that. He didn't have to do that.

Yeah. Look, I'm probably doing other illegal shit. Turn your head, but here's this. He could have made 50 bucks off that thing so good for him now the cops they start asking a little bit about patty as well uh they talked to some of her girlfriends a joanne uh they talked to and a karen karen and joanne they need to talk to you're in a lot of trouble if you've done anything wrong yeah the two people talking these are they're both like born in like 1960 yeah karen yeah so they're like 60 year old yeah yeah she's yeah a lot of managers being spoken to in this uh among the two of these two ladies from the suburbs out here and everything

now they said they know patty and um they she works at walgreens patty and they were shopping in walgreens the same day the bodies were found. And they said that Patty seemed to be herself. She didn't appear to be too nervous or troubled. This is before the bodies were found. So she wasn't like, hey, you guys haven't been by my house. There wasn't a whole bunch of cars out front. She wasn't suspicious is what they were talking about.

They said, did she get along with her brother? And they said, oh, she loved her brother. While she would work at the store, the brother would come by. And she'd come around from around the counter and make a big deal and walk around with them. And hey, this is my little bro. And they were really tight. So they're like, okay, well, this makes no sense. Who the fuck did this? Aliens?

Like, what is going on? And then a call comes in, Jimmy. A call comes in. It's a mystery caller. I love them. Mystery caller who knows a lot of stuff that he shouldn't probably know about this type of thing. He said he has some information that might lead to their some help here. And basically, they said that the Chicago they ended up saying the call was made from the south side of Chicago. They believe the caller was a white man. They described all about him. They said, quote, he knew too much to be a prankster. We don't think he was involved in the slayings, but we believe he could provide us more details which would be helpful in solving the case. So the guy who

calls a guy named Lanyon Mitchell, Lanny, they call him, like Leapin' Lanny P poffo he is 24 years old old leaping lanny here now lanny um ends up putting himself into what's called voluntary custody which i've never heard of before you can do that you can just check into jail like a hotel apparently somebody tase me yeah somebody tase me maybe that's part of it i'm not sure i. I'm so hard. I'm on voluntary custody. Voluntary custody. Somebody maced me for Christ's sake. Put somebody bigger in my cell with me. I'm super.

And give him a taser. Come on. That's a fascinating thing that you can do. I did not know that voluntary custody was a thing. Hold me. I'm insane. I'm insane. It's him and another man come in voluntary custody.

So what's going on here? The cops said the pair are free to leave the jail whenever they want. They're not being held. They're not charged with anything or anything like that. Now, they have some interesting stuff to say. They go, there's some stuff you don't know about here. Patty has a boyfriend. Remember how she was going to get married?

Well, she didn't exactly tell you a lot about her boyfriend as much as she should have here. Patty's boyfriend. Now, she works at Walgreens. Her boyfriend is the manager of the Walgreens. Seems nice. His name is Frank DeLuca. And when they meet, everything seems wonderful. She tells the parents, this is my boyfriend.

He's like 26. He's my manager. he's got a good future ahead of him he's gonna be like a regional walgreens guy come on you know how much walgreens is gonna blow up 50 years from now holy shit you won't be able to swing a fucking swing a bloody poodle without hitting the walgreens in the next few years you have no idea everything you are going to get when you have a cold, it'll be there. Anytime you see an empty lot and you go, what are they building there? The answer is Walgreens. It's always Walgreens every single time. So deal with that shit.

It's fucking Walgreens. But still, Frank DeLuca, Columbo didn't approve of him. Frank DeLuca, Columbo didn't approve of him. And he was right, actually, because it turns out that Columbo or DeLuca is a fucking liar. And Patty was lying to her father as well. He's not a single 27-year-old Walgreens manager. He is the manager of Walgreens. That much is true.

That's true. He's also 34 years old. Uh-oh. He's also married. Oh, God. Jesus. And he also has not one, not two, not three. What?

Not four. What? Five kids at home. So he just changed from being a free-swinging mid-20s Walgreens manager to a married guy with five loud fucking dirty kids running around his place trying to make ends meet on a Walgreens manager salary. It's fascinating. Now there's that. That two variables change and it went from all right to what the fuck what the fuck is going on

two variables two married and five kids five kids it's really six variables six people six other people got brought into the story too that makes it sad it makes it real sad so this shit is weird let's just say uh it's not okay so when frank colombo found out about all this type of shit he freaked out obviously it was like you're not fucking going out there so she moved out now where did she go she moved in with frank colombo or with uh DeLuca and his wife and kids. You can't do that. Yeah. She moved in and pretended like she was the nanny at the house, this nice girl that works at Walgreens.

And she's just there to fucking. To bang Frank. Bang Frank all around. Right. Frank DeLuca. She's stealing the family from the inside out. Yeah. She's a hand that rocking the cradles. Yeah. She's rocking the cradle on this inside out. Yeah, she's rocking the cradles, maybe.

She's rocking the cradle on this family. This is real bad. This is bad shit. She's demornaying the family. You can't do that. She did it long before the movie. Fucking, yeah, she had it down. So DeLuca has also promised to manage her budding career as a model as well.

Because, you know, a walgreens manager with five kids probably has a lot of connections in the fashion industry i'm sure just to i'm sure he does being honest so looking at her she's a you she didn't need no help no no she's got it under control yeah she's a she's pretty fine i said be hot and you'll do fine he's okay yeah just be hot there what's that where is it too that he's got the same name as her dad you can't frank and frank you can't do that yeah if you're just gonna get another italian guy though it's pretty good chances you're gonna get a frank a jimmy a tommy a vinnie if you can't have any of those you're probably gonna bang a frankie you're gonna yeah you're really limiting your pool at that point i want an italian guy but not named frank jimmy vinnie or

you're done it's over with not a lot of marios i've only known one actual mario though oh yeah she does yeah uncle mario it's all over the fucking you can't bang your relatives no you can't but there you go so now patty what ended up happening is her his uh deluca's wife found out oh of course she's gonna find out obviously and so patty was heartbroken and she got kicked out of the house and where'd she go back to dad yeah dad said that fucking scumbag the luca you don't need him he's a bum he's a fucking bum this guy embarrassment to frankie's everywhere i'll tell you what he

doesn't deserve the name frank i'm to make him change his name from Frank. I've had it. So she moves back in and Frank Colombo, dad says, listen what I'm going to do for you, sweetheart. Listen, he wronged you.

He hurt you. I'm not going to take it. What we're going to do is I'm going to find you an apartment just for you. I'll pay your rent. I'll buy you furniture. I'll get you all set up.

You don't need this fucking bum. You start over yeah start over without this guy so what you do is a dad so her apartment dad's paying the rent so dad's do everything's going great um until a couple months into this arrangement frank colombo finds out that frank deluca has been living there also, plowing his daughter. So Frank Colombo not happy, as you can imagine. Poor bastard. Here. Yeah, it's a little bit weird. So what Frank Colombo does is Frank Colombo finds them in a parking lot coming out of a store and ambushes Frank DeLuca while holding a.22 rifle.

Dad's got the rifle. Dad's got the rifle. rifle stay the fuck away from my daughter yeah um and also not for nothing but i'm paying the fucking rent over there all you know same thing you're they're like six years apart in age this is crazy like you stay the fuck away from my daughter six six years oh the dad and friend like seven years yeah seven years are too close they're very close in age here. So Frank DeLuca apparently had some wise-ass thing to say about this. So Frank Colombo takes the butt of the.22 rifle and knocks him out, splits his lip, and knocks his teeth out.

Knocks his teeth out, knocks him out cold in the parking lot. As a good dad does. That's terrific. Now, problem is Patty then calls the cops and has Frank, her dad, thrown in jail on an assault charge. I guess that is illegal. Yeah, you can't. It should be. It was in public, too.

I mean, if it was in the house, it's one thing, but in a parking lot. I don't know. In public, it seems like it should be more legal. I would imagine. It was showing everybody. Yeah. So he gets out of jail, Frank Colom and he says i'm disowning patty yeah which in the italian culture that's a big deal to be disowned that means it's over for you

you're out yeah disowned it's a very my daughter it's a very official yeah you know designation there's paperwork disowned yeah stamp on your picture disowned done like captured on the top 10 that's it disowned done so uh they're like okay this is very interesting they're talking about all this and that's when they talk to um basically they find out some stuff here they talk to a man uh who tells them a little bit of a story about Patty. Now, Patty, after this whole thing happened with dad and all that and disowning and everything, at that point, Patty went to a friend of hers and said, Do you know, just I don't know if you know anything about this,

but do you know possibly where I could find somebody who'd be willing to kill my father? Oh. Hitman type guy. You know anything about that type of deal? Listen, this is the Exceptional Village. Everyone always comes together to help everyone. Helps a neighbor in need.

So a friend takes her to a place called, where else? The Where Else Lounge, where you find hitmen. The Where Else Lounge. else lounge where you find hitmen the where else lounge where else do you find it right here at this sleazy shithole do you say where else open the yellow page yeah that's here it is so he introduces this friend introduces patty to two men yeah who can do the job yeah she talks to him and she says, will you, you know, you think you could fucking do this? You know, I don't know. I can pay you. Obviously, there's pay involved.

I'm not going to do this for free. They don't know her. So it's a guy named Lanny Mitchell, who we know about. Mr. Voluntary Custody. Tase me, bro. And a man named Roman Sabinsky. Okay. These are the two guys. Now she says, Lanny and Roman. Yeah, it sounds right. You know what I mean? And she says, listen, you know, I could pay you, but like, I got to wait until I get before my dad officially disowns me and

cuts me out of everything. I can pay you once I get my inheritance. I'm gonna get like a hundred thousand dollars. So like, I'll pay you $ thousand dollars right to kill my parents keep in mind i gotta wait on a check and then you get yeah yeah then you guys get it so they go well we can't just you got it like most of the time a hitman type arrangement it's like half up front half upon completion yeah you can't just contractor it's a time yeah you can't just say i'll pay you later like that's it's a lot to put someone on the line for you can't say send me an invoice exactly and then you haven't paid them and they've killed somebody and then you know about it it's bad business for the hit and back you can take from anybody so they go well you know you got to give us like a down payment or something you got to give us like

half up front she goes okay well i don't have any money but what i can do until i get the money um until you do this how about i don't know if you'll be okay with this, but how about I'll just fuck the both of you silly. It's a fascinating ATM. Like whenever you want. Yeah. You just come over and plow me. You can bring your friends over. They plow me too.

Yeah. Literally. And they go, all right, sure. So they come over. This happened, this is like eight months before the murder so this is like this goes on and on and on at one point she's like maybe you kill him around christmas kind of like a christmas present for me and they're like yeah sure bend over on you it is ridiculous they're plowing her at the same time one at a time frank's there taking pictures

hell yeah deluca's taking pictures these two are plowing her. Other people are coming over and fucking plowing her. They're taking pictures of this. She loves the whole arrangement, by the way. She's having a great time. She's super into this. And her parents are going to die. This is easier than money. Win fucking win for everybody, right?

Everybody's happy. Everything's great. The problem is, neither of these men are hit men. Neither of them have any interest in killing anyone at any time. You're telling me they're just two horny dudes? They're just, Lanny Mitchell is a used car salesman. Hell yeah.

And Roman Sabinsky is a recruiter for the Cook County Civil Service Commission. They're just a couple of guys at the bar who happen to get to plow a 19-year-old girl a whole bunch. They're like, oh, we're going to kill him him so good you have no fucking idea never had any intention of killing they're just were like we get to bang this 19 year old girl over and over again murdering is this pussy that pussy that's it so unbelievable after about eight months patty starts to go, I don't think they're going to kill my parents.

I'm getting a sneaking suspicion that these two aren't on the level. This murder layaway paid for with pussy doesn't seem to be coming around. I just keep blowing them and they just keep coming over and no one dies. It feels like the only people getting anything out of this is them. That's crazy. Oh, my God. So Robin Sabinsky. He's a civil service recruiter.

Like I said, he's doing all this shit. His wife, like the people around him are like, I think he works for the city. He lives in a nice little ranch style home. And he giggles a lot. Looks real happy. Comes home. Wife, home wife kids comes home big smile on his face never trusted him one neighbor said i think he's a politician i have to assume that because every time we talk he's just smiling like he's smiling shaking hands real talkative happy guy so that's roman sabinsky and that's them that is fucking hilarious um at one point um they i guess sabinsky and deluca spoke like three times a day leading up to the murder here for the first few months you know for the months leading up to it

here which is fucking crazy at one point sabinsky toldinsky told DeLuca that, or DeLuca told him, I'm sorry, DeLuca called Sabinsky and said, listen, I think we're going to have to kill Junior, which is Michael Colombo. He comes into the store and he stares at me. He says, I have a feeling he knows how the parents feel toward me and Pat. If he's not killed with the parents at a later day he'll grow up and hold a grudge probably i would assume so which is maybe the most italian thing in this entire yeah fucking entire thing that's insane he's gonna grow up and hold a grudge

against me and come back and kill me later i know it i know it when he grows up and he grows he's gonna grow up and he's going to grow up strong. And then what happens? Stab him 87 times. It's the only way to get it done. Fucking so stupid, man. So fucking stupid. So, yeah, so Sabinsky just tells the cops everything.

That's just everything, man. He says, Patty told me there were some very bad feelings between her and her mother and father and her boyfriend. And she couldn't be happy as long as her family lived. So he said that he gave Patty a loaded.32 caliber for protection, which he said he stole from a friend, Sabinsky. The.32 caliber gun ended up being the one used in the murder. Oh. So, yeah, she did get a gun from him so she got something anyway out of it um she said that she started to be there he said she started to become impatient

by the spring of 76 yeah i'm real sore yeah she's like guys really she said if we were not going to do it to tell her because she would get someone else to do it or just do it herself oh at one point she pulled a 22 caliber Derringer from her purse, cocked it, and pointed it at them and said, look how easy it is to kill someone. You just have to squeeze the trigger. Come on, guys. Holy shit.

Let's do this. Like, she was really cheerleading them on here. Then they found out also, Patty finds out at this point, that once they read his will, yes, she was totally cut out of the will he cut her out disowned immediately this fucking own and everything else valued at about a hundred thousand dollars was going to her little brother who's now dead but she got who gots either where does it go then uh probably to a family member i would assume to his sister maybe or okay something like that the dog and the scene for the care of Fluffy.

I overwent to the dog. So May 15th, 1976, they go to Patty's apartment. They're going to check it out. They're going to see what's going on here. They get to the apartment in the morning. They observe an ashtray containing more cigarettes. The brand, More Cigarettes, which is like a ladies brand in the 70s and 80s.

They're the ones that made you sound like Marge Simpson's sisters. Yeah, yeah. How you doing? I smoke mores. Do you like them? How are they? I know they kind of smell like burlaps on fire, but that's all right. I think you're going to like them.

They taste delicious, and I haven't noticed a single change about me. Nothing. How you doing? No, call me Miz. Miz what? Just Miz. Toos How you doing? No. Call me, Ms. Ms. What? Just Ms. Toosies.

Toosies. I don't do that S thing. So, uh, they found more packs of more cigarettes in the kitchen there. These are the cigarettes that they found around Frank Colombo's body that they think the cigarette burns are made with. And they found smoked more cigarettes in the house as well. neither of them smoked more cigarettes neither of the columbos here so that's an interesting connection here um also the cop observes a stack of 15 or 20 photographs

on the coffee table the top photograph shows patty fucking an unknown male but they don't know who that is hell yeah they look through it and find just pictures of her banging people and pictures of her posing it is just yeah tase me please these are so hot it's so hot we don't have to arrest her do we she's an angel um so yeah they find all of that shit they said that the pictures were taken this is fucking wild they said that um mitchell had never said that photographs were taken of the sex acts between him and colombo however he did admit that sexual intercourse had happened and maybe pictures had been taken now um also they took these pictures to send to a magazine in pennsylvania that's that was the excuse of why they had that's where the mecca of all pussy fame is i suppose

it's in western pennsylvania you know where all the oh yeah we're all the kooz mags are in the 70s that's what they would have called them send them into one of them kooz mags over there in pittsburgh you know it is over there over there in allentown stop doing steel work they're making real nice kooz mags i just realized too they probably develop those for free at walgreens probably oh i'm sure they did absolutely for free at walgreens you fucking know it man um they bring patty in in cuffs at this point she's real abusive to the cops right away she calls them fucking animals oh um she kind of like was struggling with them and being kind of real she's being difficult we'll put it that way so she's like you in some

compromising position. This isn't right, goddammit. No, it's not right. They said, what about you have overdue rent payments there? So they're trying to ask her like you needed. They're laying the groundwork of you need money. At that point, she got angry and began to shout obscenities at the investigators. They said, do you know Mitchell, L uh lanny mitchell she said she

doesn't and they said well mitchell's here now and uh you know he's given a full statement of that he's really knows you well actually he knows you carnally check out the pictures that he had in his wallet yeah he knows like what your butthole looks like you can describe it to a t so that we tend to believe him yeah um so at that point she patty looked over and saw him through the window and then she said all right all right yeah i know i'm fine so oh yeah so then she said that she never told the police because she was afraid that she'd be harmed oh because these guys must have killed my parents that's what happened yeah you know what i mean she She said she never even told DeLuca about anything here.

So they said that she said that DeLuca didn't care about the photographs because he knew that she previously sent similar photographs to a magazine in Pennsylvania as well. So apparently there's a whole conglomerate of magazines down there. She said she also had the, she doesn't know Mitchell, but then she had a phone number of a club, the Club Claremont, which Mitchell hangs out at all the time. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts.

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And also, she has called on several occasions. So who are you looking for? Yeah. So finally, after all this, she says, I don't want to talk anymore. I don't want to talk to you. I want to talk to Landers or Gargano. I'll talk to one of those. So Landers comes in, this other cop.

And Columbo said that she's afraid that Mitchell might kill her if she says anything she also said that they just they were going to kill her family and had forced her to have all sorts of sex with them it was filthy eight months off just super filthy I know my friend took me there and saw me offer it but it would they it was they made me do it and i was innocent they said we're gonna kill your parents and have lots of sex with you and she was like no please don't do either of those things that's what happened and then for eight months they did they did those things and didn't do that other thing and so um either way um that's how this whole thing is going down um it's it's down it's pretty amusing the whole honestly yeah it's she's really

aggressive with them and it's she's aggressive in her denials and then she'll completely stop a denial of one thing change it to something else and be just as aggressive about that so it's really weird yeah it's fucking it's interesting man so they said well will you give a written statement

to police in the presence of a court reporter? And she would. Then she wanted to make a telephone call. They let her. They tried to kind of get to get to know her a little bit. They were trying to kind of get to they said, maybe if we are friendly with her, maybe that's the way she'll give it up. You know, not not her. Yeah.

The truth. Not her ass. So it seems to be the the thing that works best with her yeah um in one of her statements she said yes she had talked to roman and lanny about possibly killing her dad maybe maybe but nothing was concrete she said that she was only thinking about it because she quote wanted to beat her father to the punch oh because she he came you know up to us with a rifle so i feel like he was going to kill us that's what she said so um

they said do you want to call an attorney before you make a a written statement she said and again a very italian thing i want to call my godmother first which is just hilarious and she did yeah she talks to her godmother and then she gave her written statement which was just hilarious and she did she talks to her godmother and then she gave her written statement which was just a load of shit I was scared all that kind of shit they fucked me a lot

before she gives her statement they have to mirandize her again and she said I heard all this before I understand she's super pissed you didn't even say anything new she actually said that I've already heard this before I understand my rights I want to talk didn't even say anything new She actually said that Quote I've already heard this before I understand my rights

I want to talk You're not saying anything new So That's what an angry woman says You know exactly what this woman says So She She then claims that the officers

Refused to let her put on coat and shoes At the apartment And they said We tried to force you to put on coat and shoes And you didn't want to said, we tried to force you to put on coat and shoes, and you didn't want to. And then we got outside, and you saw it was wet, and then you wanted shoes, and it was too late. That's a woman.

So, yeah, she's going on and on about all that. She's complaining that they've been mean and all this type of thing. She talks about Mitchell and Sabinsky and all their sex and everything like that. And she's done. They read the statement, and the cop says, this statement doesn't make sense to me. You should get your thoughts together. So that statement's never concluded, okay?

D minus. Not good. Yeah, must do better. So then she is arraigned and everything like that, and afterwards she wants to talk to the investigators, and so they go to see her when they arrived she greets them

she's very like kind of shaken and she says I'm glad you guys could be here and they were like well yeah let's say advisor of her rights and they said you want your attorney and then she said no no no no

I want to talk right now she said listen I've had a vision I've had and I'm currently having a vision i have a vision that might help you i'm a little psychic i don't know if you knew that paper yeah yeah yeah so you guys gather around um okay in my vision i see my mother i see my father he's he's lying on the floor in the living room it's so sad he's next to the next to a chair by the railing he's laying on his back he's on his back he's wearing dark colored pants

socks but no shoes oh my god hold on hold on wait i'm moving around the house she's like channeling walking through the house i'm moving through through the house. I'm moving into the hallway. I see my mother. Yeah, she's lying there on the floor. She's wearing a nightgown and a bathrobe. And I can see my brother in the bedroom. Oh, my poor, poor brother. Yeah.

Oh, this poor boy. He's in the bedroom. It's dark. I can't tell what he's wearing because it's dark. But there's a hall light on and in the gleam of the hall light i can see scissors with blood on them oh oh my god i don't i don't know what's going on and they said what do you do you see yourself in the house and she goes well yeah i'm in the house in the vision right now and they go okay do you see

yourself involved in the killing of your mother your father your brother and she said i'm not certain i'm confused i'm just so confused and uh they said okay okay they said well you know keep going keep going she goes yeah i can see i see i see it all i see it's like i'm there they go now oh my god don't stop do you think do you think honestly talk to us do you think you were involved at all in this and she said i'm afraid maybe i was i'm afraid i was there and that i did it and they said well you're under arrest bitch that's absolutely murder somebody tased me somebody tase me. Somebody tase me. This is hot. We gotcha.

It's hot action. So, yeah. So she's taken in. She's done. They put her in there. She's transported to jail. She just put herself at the scene with all the shit that only the murderer would know. Only the murderer could possibly know.

By the way, after her arraignment, the newspaper, this is how they chose to cover it. It's very like this is how they would cover a woman in 1976, looking dazed, her hair disheveled and wearing the same salmon colored coat she wore the night of her arrest. Miss Columbo was arraigned Monday morning. It's so fucking funny, man. Solid. Solid. So she enters the Cook County Jail. Anyway, she keeps saying that she's been threatened and she's been all this time by the cops.

They all threaten her, she said, and everything like that. So DeLuca is obviously arrested as well. Yeah. He admitted that they had knowledge. Basically, he admitted more than she did, but still didn't go as far as confessing, basically. So he's like, I don't know. I know some things. Yeah.

It's possible. I maybe heard a thing or I know a thing. But then there was a guy. There's a thing and a guy. Like this fucking guy is useless. Right. So they put him in jail where he immediately tells everybody he's ever met that he killed everybody in the house. He tells like four guys in jail.

Hubert Green, Joy Haysekck clifford x childs he tells a bunch of people on the outside that he knows oh my god i killed yeah he's hard stories he needs to tell everybody he's a bad guy that's it everything it was the perfect plan i don't know what what the fuck's going on this is goddamn ridiculous and uh so deluca says that all he knows is that he knew a guy named Roman and that Frank Colombo had taken he heard that Frank Colombo taken out a murder contract on his life. And he knew this guy, Roman. They were talking to him. And maybe he was going to, you know, maybe they would he would kill Frank Colombo, but maybe not. And it was all just kind of nebulous.

And then I don't know. They're dead. It wasn't really my fault. Yeah, that's all there is. That's all he's got to say okay roman sabinsky uh gets no charges not roman and lanny mitchell end up with zero charges because it's not a real conspiracy if they never actually had any intention of doing this which they didn't clearly eight months they didn't have any intention he did give her the murder weapon knowing that to me him giving her the murder weapon knowing that she obviously has her sights set on killing her family

and then that murder weapon gets used in the killing i go you're getting charged with something she was willing to fuck two strangers for them to murder her parents even transfer of stolen property because he stole even something like that he's's got to get some kind of sting. He's got to lose his job with the county at least for this, right? Yeah. I would think. He walked free, huh? Goddamn Scott free as a bird.

He wanted to be tased after that because he's like, can you believe I got away with that? And same thing with Mitchell. Really? Yeah, same deal. Neither of them got any fucking charges. Mitchell had to. He admitted lying to the police he said that yeah when i first told you when i took myself in voluntary custody he said

you know whatever then he goes i was afraid they might think that i actually did it because if patty says i did it and then all this you know we were seen together a lot maybe they'll believe her and maybe i did do it that's why he went to them because he was afraid that this was going to get pinned on him and he just wanted 19 year old squish yeah it's all he's just like i didn't want any part of this type of shit here he goes yeah we posed as hit men for eight months we did all that patty wants lower bail she wants lower bail she said she can't post this amount of bail she can't cover her rent please what are you talking about? Her lawyer said, Miss Columbo is entitled to a reasonable bond. Oh, get out of my life.

She's indigent. The bond is too high. Then DeLuca's lawyer said, we should have a much better chance with Frank. If anybody deserves a bond, it's him. Really? Anybody. Anybody. It's a murderer.

A scumbag lying murderer. I can't imagine this would be this bad without you frank that's terrible so yeah the detective by the way after putting everything together after getting kind of hearsay from people deluca's talked to and also from the crime scene based on strength and all this type of shit they figure out well let this the the rose guy here, the detective, say it. He says that all goes to the cold-bloodedness and her ability to manipulate other people, talking about Patty. Everybody initially thought he, her elder, planned the whole thing, but he was manipulated by her. He was the shooter. She did all the mutilations.

Oh, my God. Yeah, he just shot them, and then she went around. She is a bad woman. She went around mutilating them after they were dead. I mean, Michael was shot standing up. So and it was a through and through. So he's gone. His brain was gone.

He went down and then she stabbed him 87 times with a bowling trophy. God. You know what I mean? This doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever. And Frank Colombo, same thing. He was shot four fucking times. Yeah. god you know what i mean this doesn't make any fucking sense yeah whatsoever and and frank colombo same thing he was shot four fucking times yeah and then they beat him severely burned him she's so mad unbelievable so yeah that's that's pretty wild that's his thing there so they're trying to get some evidence suppressed they're trying to get some ashtrays suppressed some

the photographs that were found because they think that'll just influence the jury that she's a bit of a harlot and that won't be good for her. But yeah, all that sort of thing. But they say that's proof that she banged those guys and that's their testimony. It makes that all corroborate. So here you go. Here's Patty Doggy style with Roman Sabinsky. I kind of want to see it. Well, I'm sure you do.

Prosecution opening here. He says, quote, it's not an occurrence that took place over a five minute period in a bar room brawl. It's a preplanned, premeditated, systematic eradication of three people that started eight months before the murders occurred. That sounds fucking bad. Does that sounds bad? Then they went on to say Frank DeLuca did the shooting pointing at him and the mut mutilation the stabbing and the bludgeoning of the bodies was done by patty you know the jury together oh yeah they're fucked here so mitchell obviously he's gonna get you know he's gonna obviously testify he has to testify um and he says yeah you know i had to come forward

because it bothered me yeah he said i believed i could have stopped the, yeah, you know, I had to come forward because it bothered me. He said, I believed I could have stopped the murders. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely could have. You were like, I'll fuck her one more time and then I'll come forward. Just one more time, though. She's pretty wild. Holy shit, man.

So he did nothing to do that, obviously. Yeah, everybody's got that person when they were single that they would do. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You thank that one person. they were single that they would do. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You thank that one person. You're like, I shouldn't. Why am I doing this? She's fucking mad. Most of the time there's a murder involved, though.

That's helpful. That's a good thing. It's just sex. Just sex is fine with the murder part we can hold off on. So criminologists testify as well in this trial here, trying to link physical evidence to them because that would help a lot. There's a handwriting specialist here who says that Miss Colombo, quote, definitely wrote the floor plans of her family home at 55 East Brantwood in a dossier.

Basically, she put together a dossier for Roman and Lanny. And drew a floor map. Drew a floor plan, all their activities, where they hang out what times they come home what kind of cars they drive up your basic hitman dossier yeah if you were to have someone kills you here you go here's all the information murder the guy in the picture right yeah that's what she gives them patty's up like a mob boss she is dangerous yeah jesus christ so heard a story or two yeah And then they still had the dossier when they turn them in.

So she was trying to say they wanted to kill the parents and they were like, well, here's a dossier that she gave us. Like the eyes are dotted with hearts. It's definitely not us writing it. So it's her. So they have that. They bring that. They really parade that around the courtroom saying, oh, look what she wrote down and blah, blah, blah. The handwriting expert says that that's definitely her.

Another guy said that another expert, a strand of brown hair recovered from the body of Mary Colombo and Michael also were 99.9% similar to Patty's hair. Now, that is just comparing the hair. So that could be – Shaft. Yeah, there's no DNA involved in that. They found that to be not very accurate back then. But similar hairs. But the main thing they found, which was really kind of tying it all together,

was they rented a car to do this. They rented a car and they stole the Thunderbird, dumped that, did all that shit. But they rented a car so that a familiar car wouldn't be seen in front of the house, obviously. So during all this, when they walked around in the shag with all this broken glass, some of it got in their shoes, as glass will do. Now, what they did was they got into the car car and that's some 70s shag carpeting in the car as well return the rental car rental car companies aren't going to clean it thoroughly if there's no puke in it they're not cleaning it so what they did is they still hadn't cleaned it

yet by the time the cops recovered it and they were able to vacuum it out and find glass that matched up to the Colombo residence. That's a dagger. That's tough. Yeah. How do you explain that one? That's explain that shit away and you can't. So that's, that's difficult. And they were also talking about the fact that Patty and Frank must have come back on

several occasions with dead bodies there in a 97 degree putrid, disgusting fucking house to look for more shit basically. Yeah. And then they took the phone off the hook they then they took the phone off the hook it must have been ringing or something they were like oh shit what if people call and then no one answers they're gonna go where the fuck are the columbos if they're busy they must be on the phone every time i call they're on the phone take it off the hook if somebody dials this number they will hang up right away that's it

trust me oh jesus oh good god that noise is awful it's the fucking worst so um they said that the odds of a similarity between the hairs taken would be 4500 to one and they said the glass is a dead match it's just a match period done those those lamps are very specific and it's different colors at all it couldn't be a coincidence. Impossible. Then, out of the funniest part of it all, DeLuca's wife testifies. Oh, shit. Can you imagine? Oh, she loves this day. The fucking glee she strutted to the stand with and went, hmm, well, this little whore right here, I'll tell you all about her.

Okay? And she, oh, this scumbag asshole lying piece of shit terrible father over here let's talk about him and the anger that now he has left me alone with five fucking children he's not gonna pay for shit now he's in there so um the prosecution um ends up you know resting here um they said that the prosecution ended up saying to the press it's not like trying one case it's like trying six cases because there's so many people there's three dead bodies there's two murderers there's a couple other guys who are you know would be hit men there's all sorts of a mess going on here so jesus christ so uh her defense okay um is to say there's no eyewitnesses there's no physical

there's no blood on them um the glasses you know you do the hairs that could be you know one or the other you could dismiss but both is tough that's the problem with both it's very difficult the more circumstantial evidence you pile up the less chance it could be circum the less chance it's coincidental right circumstantial can be very coincidental until you get a lot of circumstantial and then it's face it doesn't look good yeah but whatever but several it's starting to tie you in a lot yeah and especially with guys who said oh yeah we fucked her she said she was gonna do it I gave her the gun. Here's where it came from. The evidence is a lot.

But they said, they tried to frame it, the defense. They said the only substantial piece of evidence that the state presented was Ms. Colombo's vision statement. That means who among us hasn't had a vision where you kill your parents? You know what I mean? They said this reveals

nothing more than pure conjecture it's reasonable to say this evidence is inconclusive wow i think i've done my job yeah i mean that's it for that so shadows of doubt everywhere so i with his hands and he sat down done mic drop and uh so the uh this was at about 11 o'clock the jury goes in about two they eat some lunch they come back out and they're like we got a verdict we're good and they are both found guilty guilty as fuck yeah uh they're both of them now it's sentencing they're both standing there and this is when you have your chance to try to now for her this is cold she killed her parents she killed her little brother well i mean she didn't kill well she fucked up

fuck them up of her family deluca also this looks terrible he looks like a disgusting horny maniac so this looks terrible the sentencing you really got to come around and come through with a strong sense of remorse. And, you know, all you want to do is make people feel better about this whole thing. She takes another path. Oh. Patty chooses another path. Patty says this is wild. This is one of the best blow.

This is one of the best fuck ups in open court that anyone's ever done. A little blunder. Just a complete Freudian slip here. L go they said anything to say for yourself patricia she says there is one thing the court cannot take away from me oh judge is like oh really i thought got a little closer let's please i'd love to hear what it is I can't do she said in that is that my father and my mother and my baby brother know that that wasn't us in the house

that night or morning or whenever it was and that's all that matters that's all that matters everyone in court went oh looks like we got a time frame everybody went it was a collective gasp wasn't there in the house that night and paused or that morning or whatever whatever it was that only the true murderer could know which i'm not so i don't somebody tased me. Oh, God.

Oh, what a dummy. And that's all that matters. The judge is like, wow, this is amazing. You're an asshole. Guess what I can't take from you? Everything. This is fun. DeLuca, what do you have to say for yourself? Maybe it's better.

Can you give us an exact time? So he comes up and he's like, oh, God. I've thrown it all away for for a piece of for a young ass what is wrong with me oh my god and he says quote patricia and i are innocent i will stand on my testimony because it's the truth and he's done that's all i've got i'm not gonna i'm not gonna poke the bear any more than that here so for this uh you sir and ma'am may fuck off okay they are sentenced to they each are sentenced to 200 to 300 years and somewhere in there somewhere in there we'll give you the thing here patricia receives um 25 to 50 years extra for solicitation of murder. DeLuca gets 10 to 50 years extra.

So it's 10 to 20 for him, 20 to 50 for her. So it all adds up to about 300 years or 200 years and change apiece. And she had to fuck two strangers for eight months. What's the lesson?

And they're both kind of... One's a used car salesman and the other's a civil servant. He's a real dirtbagman and the other's a civil servant. He's a real dirtbag looking guy too. He looks like a guy you'd find in a dirty bar who would kill your parents. That's what he looks like. Would you want to fuck him, everybody? Probably not.

So Patty really, really screwed the pooch on this one. Two of them. Two of them. She screwed them up. We're not sure about the poodle. So either way, she goes to jail by the way when you're in apparently 300 years in the 80s in the state of illinois translates to you are up for parole in 12 years i don't know how that works that math is crazy you're up for parole in five percent of your time

that seems like it seems a little light for, but we'll talk about all that. Now, Patty goes to prison. She's in prison for about two years. Okay? Two years in prison. And, oh, God, this Patty, Patty, Patty. Oh, she's such a party. I'm so upset she's in prison.

She could have done so much for the world. for the world she is accused while in prison of organizing sex parties by procuring attractive female inmates for two high-ranking prison officials and having like a dating service she wasn't even fucking him she was getting other girls she was heidi fleissing this shit she was cell block madam. The madam of cell block D is what she is. How crazy is that? She was just arranging all this. I'm beginning to think that Patty realizes that she's hot as fuck. She notices, I think.

Something tells me she notices. And it was such a scandal in the prison system that Patty gets nothing. She doesn't get in trouble at all because they're so fucking embarrassed by the whole thing. They just don't want a public trial about it. They quietly suspend the two officials and pretend like it never happened. It's hilarious. She goes on, though, to take college courses offered by Northern Illinois University. She's working on an associate of arts degree.

So I can't believe she's organizing sex parties. She's working on an associate of arts degree. So she was I can't believe she's organizing sex parties. That's amazing. So 1991, Patty becomes the first female inmate in Illinois in the state of Illinois to complete her entire college education while imprisoned. Wow. Which is pretty. I mean, that's she's the first she's of the age that should do it. Why not? Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I don't know if you can fuck your way into a diploma, but you probably tried. So now parole, they start getting parole hearings in like the late 80s, like early 90s. OK. And they go back every couple of years and they never get parole because, I mean, they've been at these. The details of this case are brutal. Oh, God. This isn't like, I don't know. We robbed a gas station.

Somebody got scared and squeezed the trigger. And we shouldn't have. This is you went in and systematically destroyed your family. The parole board gets the whole case file. They know everything. Well, then they prepare parole reports to everything. I mean, it's they have deeper shit than anything. I love getting a hold of a parole report.

Holy fuck, you get it all. You get all the witness statements. They get everything. So during this parole strategy in 2001-ish, she decides to take a whole new strategy to the parole. She's been trying to say, I'm innocent, I'm innocent, I'm innocent. And they've been wrongly imprisoned. She's been trying to say, I'm innocent, I'm innocent, I'm innocent. Yeah. And they've been wrongly imprisoned. That's not working.

No. So she decides to say, my godfather sexually abused me for six years. Wow. That's not going to do it. She said, so I killed my family. Right. And so I should get out.

Clearly. Because of that. And they were like, I don't understand. That's not in the book here. Yeah, I don't understand how that, but you killed your little brother. Your parents are one thing. That's the thing. If it's just her parents, we don't know what goes on in relationships with adults and all that sort of thing.

And maybe there's bitterness and all that. But there is no excuse on the face of the goddamn earth to kill your 13 year old fucking little brother none that's especially that that ends it with that kind of yeah just vitriol you don't that you can't come back from that like no matter what happened to you that's ridiculous you can't do that and to me it's just all sympathy that could possibly be for you is lost you know what i mean it's like when you you look at the Jeffrey Dahmer story, and you're like, oh, that's sad. His mom left, and he's kept him there alone.

Then once he starts murdering people, you're like, doesn't matter anymore. Right. What the fuck, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doesn't matter. That's it. My sympathy is gone, and now I think you're an asshole.

Was the 13-year-old there with pom-poms cheering on your godfather? That's what I mean. What are you talking about? Yeah, where was he involved in this? He was probably a baby when this was going on, and we don't even know if it's true right this is the first time she's ever said this which i mean maybe this is the first time she's been able to been able to say the process might have done therapy in prison and all that but either way they go that really doesn't have

anything to do with the fact that you fucking brutalized your family um she said to the press afterwards she was upset that they denied her parole and said it's a set pattern my case was riddled with sexuality through the whole thing yeah yeah because you offered sex for murder that's a that's gonna weave itself right into the fabric of the case at that point that makes it crazy yeah she's trying to say that like that's that she got extra because of the sexuality of it but i i i don't know man i mean like i wasn't around in the 70s so i don't know what the mores were then but i can't imagine it you wouldn't be more offended by the crime scene photographs of a

13 year old boy with 87 stab wounds and his skull crushed in a fucking bullet hole in his forehead right you know what i'm saying like that would probably be the thing that would piss you off more than that weighs heavily and she's having premarital sex you know just for me anyway that would so it's the part that makes it funny patty it's not the part that makes it fucking makes it worse nobody's rubbing stank on it for it it makes it funny as shit fuck yeah uh the detective rose says he's at the parole board hearings every time and he prepares his testimony and reviews the file every time and makes sure to give all the really nasty details of it now. Now, Frank DeLuca in prison, he is sent to the Dixon Correctional Center in October of 77 to serve out his sentence. Dixon Correctional Center in October of 77 to serve out his sentence. After the year 1986, he had from then on had zero disciplinary infractions or even tickets.

Are you telling me he goes along and does what he's told really well? Goes along, gets along, goes along to get along. He really does. He's just like, I'll go along with it. I don't care. That's what I need to do. And in a parole hearing in May of 2014, DeLuca told the Illinois Prisoner Review Board that he had no expectation of ever being paroled and that what he and Patty did was, quote, horrendous and that they should never be allowed to leave prison. That was what Frank said, which, by the way, if you're looking to get parole, that's exactly what you say to get parole. What I did was so horrible.

Every day i feel terrible about it and i deserve to be you shouldn't let me out and then they'll go you should let him out that's how it works so they said it's exactly what they said and at the time the parole board noted that he's in poor health because christ he's what another 40 years on he's in his 70s yeah so they said he's in poor health. He has hip and prostate problems. He walks with a cane. Probably not going to be murdering many more people.

So they said, yeah, all of that. But due to the heinous nature of the crime, you can keep fucking yourself. Take your swollen prostate back to the cell block, chief. How about that? What do you say? Jam that cane in there. It'll loosen up your prostate. You just really get it in there.

It's like an old bottle of ketchup, like a glass bottle. You get a butter knife in there. Tick-a-ling, tink-tink, back and forth. You'll clear it out. Like a loose door lock. Jiggle the key, motherfucker. It'll come pouring out after that. Don't you worry.

So they said to parole him would depreciate the seriousness of the defense and promote disrespect for the law um so go fuck yourself frank deluca wow now what are they what about uh her here patty while incarcerated not only did she get her degree frank didn't do any of this shit he just didn't get in trouble yeah patty's been like actively building a resume in there but she's not saying I'm a terrible person you shouldn't let me out which is what Frank is doing she's saying I'm a great person look all this good look at all this good shit ignore anything pre-1980 must we really at that point yeah post sex scandal with the guards let's let's start concentrate on that She worked as a clerk and a programmer for the leisure time services and family services

programs and a secretary. This is in the prison, obviously, and a secretary in the placement office and also helped to develop the prison media center as well. So Patty has done all this stuff. She as in addition to that, by the way, she likes to be called Trisha now. Sure. She's a different girl. Patty, I'm different.

I'm Trisha. She maintained a group of supporters who would submit letters speaking on her behalf, on behalf of her good works in the prison, family members of people she's helping, things like that. She'd bring it to all the parole hearings. In 2011, parole hearing coming up, she was accepted at Leslie's Place, which is a transitional house on the west side of Chicago that houses and helps former female inmates navigate their way back into society. If she had been paroled from there she would have been basically this would have been about two and a half miles from where they found the thunderbird in the beginning of the story that's where this was which is pretty fucking weird right so in 2013 or 14 the dwight uh dwight correctional center was closing patty was moved to the lincoln correctional center moved to the Lincoln Correctional Center, then to the Logan Correctional Center.

In 2014, she asked for, she said, you know what? I'm working, I'm doing like some stuff here that I'm helping people. So I'm going to go ahead and pass on parole this year. You can just have the meeting without me because I don't want to leave the special needs inmates I'm working with right now. They need me. They need the special needs and really very big needs. And they need me right now. So rather than me be selfish and go there and ruin their progress, because me going to a parole hearing for a day would destroy everything I've built with these people.

They could never. They were reading and writing. That'll all go away. So rather than that, you keep it this year and i'll just go to another time yeah because these people are important to me yeah so that's what she said um the continuance was denied they made her come to the parole hearing and then they fucking denied her parole too which is hilarious she is manipulative as fuck oh yeah she's super manipulative yeah she's diabolical she plays a long game too she started this in like, she's- Diabolical, man. She plays a long game, too.

She started this in like 2003. She's like, hmm, 12 years from now, I know it'll sound good. She's good. I've fucked guys for eight months planning a murder. I will pretend shit for years. Imagine if you put all this into business. She would be- She'd be a CEO, man. Oh, she'd be crushing it right now.

She'd have her own thing going on. If Patty was 19 now, imagine what she'd be able it right now she'd have her own thing going on if patty if patty was 19 now yeah imagine what she'd be able to do on the internet she would oh my god she would she'd be anna delvey plus like the biggest person on only fans she'd have like all these different things going on scams 0.01 holy shit she'd be crushing it right now. So, yeah, they said that would depreciate the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So she's still in there. She remains incarcerated. She is at the Logan Correctional Center.

She will be basically without parole unless she gets paroled, obviously. Her actual release date is 21-16. Oh, my God. Don't think she's going to make it quite that far. I don't think so. She's in her 60s now. 140 years old? Probably not going to happen.

150? Jesus. Yeah, almost more than that. 175, really, almost. So that's a lot. So she continues to insist that she's changed and she should really be let out they have by the way patty deluca or patty colombo and frank deluca have not seen nor spoken with each other since 1977 so frank's like why did i do any of this holy shit what a what a fucking idiot he is

he is an idiot now there was a book written about this by clark howard and his book it's called love's blood which is a gross name for a book and i don't this book um it they get real into like a lot of the sexual stuff really like deep into like that's so fascinating and then patty's like stories of how she was molested too like this book is like dirty it's a dirty it's a dirty murder book if your love's blood mostly love love's blood so much love in this book love oh my god so it's weird man it's a weird book i don't i'm gonna go ahead and say i don't recommend the book um we i think we told the story how it needs to be told but here uh if you're really interested in it, you can read this book.

Now, Patty. My God. The final word from Patty. She told a reporter after she was denied parole. This is some balls here to say this, I got to say. They said, Patty, how do you feel about all this? What's going on? And she said, quote, my life was a bed of roses, but Daddy didn't tell me about the thorns really you killed

your daddy how the fuck did he tell you about anything maybe he would have maybe he was planning on it if you'd have stayed free for a while uh a little band called poison would have told you all about every single fucking rose patty a whole bed of them What the fuck do you expect? Do you know that every night has its dawn, too? Have you heard of that? Because that's part of it also. She referenced a Bon Jovi song and a Poison song. Yeah.

She's into it, man. She would have thrived in the 80s. She really would have. I'm telling you. Big hair, Camaro, she would have been the shit in the 80s. So, anyway, Patty still in prison, as is Frank DeLuca. Oh, man. Frank DeLuca, by the way, looks terrible. Oh, I'm sure.

I have all these mug shots of him over the years, and he just starts off, and he's shrinking. In every mug shot, he's lower down. In the last one, he has suspenders on now, which means his body has fallen apart to where he has no more ass anymore and he can't keep his pants up, so he's got to have suspenders. It's a mess. Prison suspenders. It's bad. Yeah, he looks – and he looks – he just turned into like – he looks like Herbert from Family Guy now. He turned into like a perverted child molester out of nowhere.

You're like, ew. Prison will make you go from murderer to pedophile. Get it? Yeah, look at that. Oh, God. It was – I liked him better when he was from murderer to pedophile. Yeah, look at that. Oh, God. I liked him better when he was a murderer. Jesus Christ. And Patty looks like she's gotten very, like now she has very short hair.

Patty looks like she works in the office at a high school. That's what she looks like. That's not good. No. She looks like one of those ladies who's like, I will call your mother. Very much, she'll call your mother tomorrow. Yeah. Somewhere there is a manager just waiting to be called.

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The Celtics had draft between him and then Reggie Lewis a few years later. They really had terrible fucking luck with healthy young men dropping dead. As soon as the Celtics had their claws on them. What did they do? Jesus. What kind of fucking, what kind of karmic thing did they do to win all those titles in the 60s and then win in the 80s you got 11 with bill russell wow you're gonna you're gonna suffer sometime but is it like a deal with the devil like what the fuck man maybe take this

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Nicely done. She's a wonderful woman. Thank you. And Gundo, happy birthday, Gundo. I think it's Gundo, Gundel, Gundel? I think it's Gundo. I don't know. Gundo?

Happy birthday, God damn it. Happy birthday. Other producers this week are beautiful mother Jefferson, the limo driver asking Rocky for the plate number of the truck that ran over his face, Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadows, the guy who looks like bubbles from the wire, Barry, Myron, and Ira, and also all of the Fartstein family. Oh, the wonderful Fartsteins. They're wonderful.

All of the Fartstein family. Oh, the wonderful Fartsteins. They're wonderful. Finn and Adam's mother, Chrissy. Happy birthday, Chrissy. Whiskey, tequila, and Eros at Centeno Kennels in Ontario, Canada. Maury Kessler, Kaylin Bancroft. Happy hour checking in in Roosevelt, Utah.

Janice Hill, Larry Butterfast, Tasha Posada, Frankie Brown, Angela Davis, Erica Tilley, Liz Colson, Jill Reiser, Hayden Breedlove, Blake Hux, I think, Nathan Bennett, Christina Flaherty, Benjamin with no last name, John Pontius, Yakuza Grande, Ben Stutzman, Christine and Patrick Hedgecock, NEI MCS, I think. Nina Buckley S. Mateo De La Vega. Kenneth Chandler. Riley Parkinson. Phillip, oh, Maniscalchi. Neck, Nexby.

Neck. Medu, what? What are you trying to make me say that I can't read? Jensen and Adam. Jonathan Martin. The Hungry Honky. Gene Jarka. Sunshine with no last name. Pink Noir, Darlene S., Erica Hackney, Delaney Kubiak, Rachel with no last name.

Nope, that's Rochelle. No, I don't know what it is. Jessica Stern, Kelly Kahn, Tyler Fawn, Jimmy Roach, Megan Ruffalo, probably Mark's sister or daughter or wife. Somebody in his family. Diablo, Orphan, Sule with no last name. Odie Young, Kyle Phillips, Pat with no last name. Jamie Laws, Vanessa Huttner, VW, Fox Chronicles, Sonny Cornelius, Sean Schmitz, Call Me Tiggs, Amber Gwynn, Joanna with no last name or possibly Johanna. Summer Mink, Stephanie Johnson, Pablo Suarez Jr.,

Lorena, oh boy, Levin Gweth, Fancy Nancy, Bo S., Larry Ketterman Jr., Big D Story, Jane Pillsbury, Edward Jerez, ah boy, Felicia Pryor, Pryor, Ashley

Gugli, Gugli Gugli, Gugli Gugli familyiggly, Giggly. Oh, Giggly, Giggly family. They're very prominent in the England area. Tracy Bunch, Rachel Little, Luis FDT. What is that? Brandon, Phil, Hill. It's just Hill. Joanne Richardson, Matt Pawlik, Jennifer Cahill, Carrie Passaretta,

Holly Patterson, Dr. Waffles, Wiener Wagon. Oh, that's a good one. The Wiener Wagon. I'm always up for a stop at a Wiener Wagon. Dr. Waffles. Graham Larson, Destiny Hogan, Sean with no last name, April Mlodinia, Gregory Busby, lo dinia uh gregory busby ryan bexford dr fooling you uh james eman ema emastin ema emast edmund ed laurie decatur christopher knolls uh matthew wool oh by the way if you try to stuck stick like a political message we won't fucking read that man we won't read that this is for fun

you're not going to be the asshole that ruins it so no i'm not trying to ruin shit no don't be the ass and i'll see through you i'm dumb that asshole but i'll beat you i'll beat you uh verity benwell uh scott bulan brandon price nicole what is this uh joe liqueur not true not right i i promise that's wrong. Blake Bedwell, TB, with no last name. Joanna Betchenard, Pichard. Emily with no last name. Nikki Kimball, Jeremy Peterson, Karen Wage, Liv Gwynn, Katie Carlson, James Chambers, Walter Daniels, Quintino with no last name.

Ian Arsenault, Megan with no last name. Ebbett Emmett, 27, 13. Mon Bon, Sean with no last name. Emmett, 27, 13. Mon Bon, Sean with no last name. Lisa Pokorika Pokriku. Kirk Aguirre, Derek Adams, Rick Bittner, Kyle Juszczyk,

Gabrielle Eicher, Star G, Beck Smith, Tina Guthrie, Thomas Shirley, Kimberly Washakun, Washacoon, Wash your coon, Jonathan. Everyone, bend over and wash it. Your coons are filthy, all of you. Filthy coon.

Jonathan with no last name, Brianna Knight, Kelly Locke, Andrew Gleason, Rach Gars, Rach Gers, Ailey Cooper, Jared Woosley, Stephanie Huggins, Steve Brown, Scott with no last name, Anna Watson, Christina Hoffman, Vanessa Wilson, Dustin Fisher, Stephanie Canadejas, Ryan Lamberdigen, Lamberdini, what was that? Lamberding, Kim Robinson, Danielle with no last name. Bill Holt. Clayton Mehring. Susan Cherry. Yes. Johnny Boldrick.

Boldrick. Yes. Kate M. Randy Gallop. Rachel Martin. Shelby Estins. Ijins. Jamie Mitchell.

Joshua Shelton. Bridget Burton. Terry Eckert. Matthew. Nope, that's Meredith. McClure. Catherine. Caitlin. Barczyk. Cathcart. Megan with no last name, Jasmine, Jasmine, yeah, Jasmine, Andy, Cody, oh, Barjack, Darren, Kosh, Tammy with no last name, Christy, Christy Graham, Elizabeth Lau, Brian with no last name, Annalise Jones, Asher Hirshberg, Angela Guerra, David with no last name, Alexandria with no last name, Taylor Mullen, Rachel with no last name, Susan Conrad, Rachel, nope, that's Sarah, Rachel, Sarah Rachel?

Alan Huggins, Andy Bell, Garrett Jones, Shark Bait, Joe MB, Michelle Din, Cynthia Daniels, Jen Parato, Megan Staniford, and Caitlin Peterson, and all of our patrons. You guys are amazing. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, thank you, you crazy, wonderful, awesome, amazing people. You're truly incredible. We fucking appreciate all that you do for us. We really do.

It does not go unnoticed. Thank you for everything. And thanks for changing our lives for the better better always. Thanks for being a part of this from the start. It's awesome. We really do appreciate that and to show that our appreciation, all we can do is keep coming back over and over again. Make sure to listen to Express obviously on Fridays and

Crime and Sports for the rest of the run and then we're having a new show come out you can listen to. But until then and until next week everybody everybody it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.