Small Town Murder - #339 - The Happiest Meal - Jenks, Oklahoma

Episode Date: December 1, 2022

This week, in Jenks, Oklahoma, where a woman heads to Wal-Mart at two in the morning, then disappears into thin air, leaving her car, on the side of the road, with a flat tire. When the sun comes up, she is found, battered, in the weeds, far from the road. What appears to be a tragic accident, quickly turns into a dirty story about lust, greed, sex, dishonesty, and an absolutely cold blooded killing. Is it the husband, who has been having a filthy affair with a teenage McDonald's drive thru worker? Or, was it some other wild, crazy plot? In the end, it's all clear. And nasty!!Along the way, we find out that some people aren't scared away by any natural disaster that nature can muster, that when you're very bald, maybe you shouldn't present your head as your most visible feature, and never recruit murder allies from remedial high school classes!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Ha ha! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today on another crazy.

This is a wild one, too. I know I say that every week. Never mind. Just assume from now on it's just wild all the time. It's a real rodeo around here. This is. We're going to Oklahoma, and it's an interesting case. And this is actually, well, we'll talk about it then.

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And you always do. Anybody five dollars or above, you're going to get access to the whole back catalog of bonus stuff. It's a ton of episodes to binge. In addition to that, every other week, you're going to get two new episodes, one crime and sports, one small town murder. This week is no different. What you're going to get this week is, first of all, the alleged crimes of Ben Roethlisberger.

Known as this heroic Super Bowl quarterback and all this. But man, has he had some really nasty things, accusations laid at him. And they're nasty. So we'll talk about those. Then for small town murder, it's the prisoner dating game. Oh, shit. Oh, it's back. Oh, we cannot wait.

I line up four bachelors and four bachelorettes for Jimmy. The only thing they have in common is, number one, they're all violent felons and currently incarcerated. He's going to go based on nothing but their dating profile descriptions. Has no idea. And then once he picks someone, then we get to find out what they did and who they are. And that's always a lot of fun. You got to check it out. we get to find out what they did and who they are and that's always a lot of fun First thing they have in common is they're the least desirable people on the planet to date. That's right

and bad decisions all around so check that out that's patreon.com slash crime and sports is where you do that and you get a shout out at the end of the show quick disclaimer this is a comedy show we're comedians we're going to tell you crazy stories but they're all real that's the end of the show. Quick disclaimer, this is a comedy show. It is. We're comedians. We're going to tell you crazy stories, but they're all real.

That's the wild part. The research is really good. We do research like it's some kind of very serious show, but then there's comedy in it. That's the thing. Right. And there's comedy around other things. There's nothing funny about an actual murder. Nothing funny about, then he's stabbing her in the face.

Oh, that's hilarious. That's not funny. And we make fun of murderers why not oh yeah what do we have we have no recourse on that that's why that's right so if that sounds good to you we're gonna have a good time if you think true crime and comedy should never go together i don't know why are you here you read the description of the show you know you're taking a chance take a. What do you want from me? Listen. You like it? Great. If not, I don't know what to tell you.

Button it. Button it. There you go. That said, I think it's time, everybody. Oh, wait. No. We'd never make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James?

Because we're assholes. Yeah, but. But not scumbags. That's right. They haven't. That said, I think it's time to sit back, clear the lungs, everybody. No matter where you are, I don't care what you're doing. I don't care if you're in the middle of a family gathering, if you're at the gym, if you're in your office, stand on your goddamn desk in your cubicle and shout,

Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Okay. Let's go this, Jimmy. Okay. Let's go on a trip. All right. We are going all the way back for us to Oklahoma. We just got back from Oklahoma. In real life, we went there to do a show. I have to say, Oklahoma City, what an amazing crowd, number one.

Wow. Stunning. Some of the nicest people we've ever run into are in Oklahoma City. The people from the venue who are sometimes, venue people are sometimes surly. Not Oklahoma City. Just kind, welcoming. Welcoming. The people, polite crowd, welcoming.

Hotel rooms were ready. It was wild. Yeah, we couldn't believe it. So very good presentation. Incredible. were ready? It was wild. Yeah, we couldn't believe it. So very good, good presentation. If you want to know, I'm a bit stuffed up. I caught a bit of the Oklahoma while I was there, though. I'm a voice a little scratchy. Brought it home with me.

One of the best crowds I've ever seen. So we're going to Oklahoma. We're going to Jenks, Oklahoma. And by the way, we did a live show. We did the Oklahoma live show in Oklahoma. And no one's offended. So no one is allowed to be here because 600-something people in a room laughed until they cried about it. One man told me after the show, James, that he jogs by the house of the victims in this. Oh, really?

Yes, every night. Wow. Holy shit. All right. Well, let's get into this. We're going all the way to Jenks, Oklahoma here, northeastern Oklahoma. It's about, I mean, it's not the opposite of the panhandle, so I guess this would be the pan. The other side. The other side of the pan here. 25 minutes to Tulsa, which if you've seen an episode of the first 48, it's always the most terrifying ones are in Tulsa. Always.

It's always just like the cops are like just running their fingers through their hair going, how could someone do this to another human being? Like that's every episode of Tulsa. His own grandmother, how could he do it? I mean, I get cutting her head off, but did he have to repeatedly fuck the neck hole? Really? Do you have to do that to your own grandmother? And he won't

admit it he just won't admit it he got it right in the gizzard that's tulsa so i could understand why people would want to flee the first 48 is like a game show for cops yeah and and tulsa will never beat the clock ever no tulsa there's a few of them on there. 48's going to run out on them every time. Yeah, Nashville a lot, too. They run out there pretty quick, too. Two hours, here we go. Oh, an hour 35 to Oklahoma City as well. It's in Tulsa County, area code 539. It has a motto, the antique capital of Oklahoma.

Oh. Antiques. Yeah. Or no one wants our old shit, so we still have a lot of it. We're hanging on to a lot. In case you want to come buy some of it. We got a surplus of elderly shit. Main Street is half antique stores.

It's all antique stores. That's all it is. Surplus the shit that used to be white and now it's yellow. Because it's been in the sun in the window for the last 40 years. the window for the last 40 years so jenks began in 1904 for a little history here as a community site established by the midland valley railroad so oh my god one of those it's not like an organic town where people are like this is a nice place to set up the railroad was like our conductors could use a stop to pee now i feel like this is the right space. It's between Tulsa and Muskogee, so they're like a good pea spot right here. Yeah.

And it runs alongside the Arkansas River, which, by the way, if you see the Arkansas River in this area, it just looks shallow and murky, and there's dry spots in it. You're like, oh, God, what happened? It's brown and muddy and not good. It looks like the Colorado at at the end yeah it it really like when it trickles into mexico yeah it's not a good it's not a good looking river this doesn't look like you want to grab your jet ski and go out there and you know film a mountain dew commercial this is a different thing completely using the word river real fucking liberally. Yeah, this is interesting. The water level here and the water level of the river really kind of had a lot to do with the fate of this town in the beginning.

You know, when the water levels were low, nobody could get here to do anything, to bring things. And then it would go up and they're like, hey, everybody get your shit on the steamboat and let's go. A weird place. It was named after the owner and director of the Midland Valley Railroad, William Henry Jenks. So, again, very organic town just springing forth from the earth. That's the man right there. The town was officially platted in 1905, not until there was a major petroleum discovery there.

They went, there's oil! Start laying streets out! Come on! This is a good place we found. We got a business now. Oh, thank God for that conductor's weak bladder. So we had to make a stop, because now we found oil.

This is great. So this boosted up the area. They had the Glenpool Oil Well, which at a live show we had a picture of this, and it was these horrific, like, hellscape, Mad Max, post-apocalyptic. It looked like a haunted picture. It was with these – there's smoke and oil things everywhere with little houses between them. It just looked like a nightmare, this area. It looked terrible.

It looked like a drawing. Remember that book uh scary stories to tell in the dark oklahoma style yeah if there was a if there was a oklahoma version that's all the all the all the pictures in that book looked like this it's disturbing look like spirits were raising from it no shit so as the oil production waned they dismantled dismantled the tank farms of all the oil there. And then agriculture became the thing here. And in the 1920s, Bulgarian immigrants came here to farm, specifically Bulgarians, specifically here. We heard about this wide swath of land all empty. I know it's been oil. We feel like farms could happenath of land all empty. did i had no idea i was like oh yeah bulgaria holy shit i thought about i've never heard listeners

say fucking tweet at us if you're bulgarian or whatever because i've honestly never heard of i've never been talking to a person they're like yeah you know i'm 100 bulgarian so when i go never heard that have you no i always mix up bulgaria and bavaria because i don't i didn't know that bavaria was a country. Well, I mean, I forgot Bulgaria even existed, so I know I've never mixed it up with anything because I forgot about it. I called them Bulgarian cream pies. Oh, man. That's just an Eastern European porn category, though, I believe.

Bulgarian cream pies, isn't it? It's a little hairier. Yeah. Well, no, it? It's a little hairier. Yeah. Well, no, it's like seven guys' contributions. It's a different type of movie, I believe. I'm not sure. Healthy fellas. Very healthy.

So from the early 1900s, like when they first got here, 1904, all the way up through the 1950s, this place floods constantly. Constantly. The Arkansas river is constantly flooding the polecat creek is constantly flooding uh in the 20s and 30s there's these severe floods water's so deep that it covered every building in the city except for the school because it was three stories high all the two stories got covered. The highest building in town. The school. Hilarious. They evacuate the town, obviously, because what are you going to do unless they got scuba gear? Unless they have their scuba gear ready, I don't know what they're going to do here.

Except for two men and one woman they left behind. You never know. Hey. Dirty. He could be sterile. We got to repopulate this bad boy. If his dick don't work, you're the backup. You're up first because you're a little more handsome

and that's how we'd like people to remember us. But you're next in case his dick don't work. You're the DH. Keep it hard in the corner just in case, would you? Just keep on. Sit there and rub it. Just rub it a little bit. You know how to do it. Just keep it going, would you? Keep it rub it a little bit you know how to do it just keep

it going would you keep it going like a fire you know what i mean you want to stoke the coals a bit and get that bad boy cooking this is the creepiest part of the gang i don't know if that's the creepiest part there's a lot of creepy parts i could probably make make you a list of creepy parts of that shit i'm positive the creepiest part is watching a man put them in a cup and shake them like yahtzee dice i think whatever comes out is probably just as good as the next thing probably in terms of creepy right it's creepy watching the guy staring at what's going on stroking a guy. When they pan around the room and it's just dudes around. Why did you do that? Why do I want to see this?

This makes no sense. That would be like you're watching a football game and they cut to somebody in the hot dog stand in the back actually cooking things. You'd be like, why are you doing this? There's 22 guys playing football down there. It's way more interesting. What's happening? Show me the line to the bathroom. Yeah.

Look at that. So strange. So anyway, they left these people here on top. They set up shop on top of the school to guard the remains of Jenks. It's completely underwater. Who's going to come in and take things? What are you guarding? There's nothing to guard. Just making sure the water don't recede too fast.

Holy shit. They had one shotgun, one small boat, some food, and a tent, and they just stayed on top of the school for a few weeks. I hope they had a lot of shells. One shotgun? Just one shotgun. I mean, they probably don't even need the shock who are

they shooting fish there's fucking water everywhere there's no one around not even animals around there's nothing so finally the army corps of engineers built a levee around jenks and was like yeah you fucking morons we got this yeah stop it's flooding stupid so um and then in 1986 there was a flood there but they they fixed the levee and everything. So, it's all good at this point. It doesn't look like it's going to flood any time soon. Reviews of this town. Oh, boy, I love the reviews so much.

So, so much. Here we go. Reviews. Two stars is the first one. This guy, oh, man. This has got to be an irritating person to talk to in person. Quote, the summers are very hot and the winters are very cold. What the hell are you saying?

No, hold on a minute. Daytime, the sun's out, and nighttime it's dark? Are you kidding me? Hold on. Suns and moons, what? Boy, are you bullshitting me or what come on now it's so weird um jenks was once a riverbed so it floods quite frequently especially at the school well that's good you want to put the school in the most heavily flooded place there is excellent

sink or swim motherfuckers yeah that's pass or fail right there on a large-scale basis, I would say. We ain't handing out C's today. You just see bubbles rising, and they're like, mark him down as a fail. Tommy Flanagan's a fail. Hold on. No, he's down. He sank like a stone. Fail.

He sank like a stone. Fail. One day in March it was 80 degrees, and the next day it snowed. Yeah. Okay. That's generally what it is. Interesting. Allergy season is also terrible. Well, there's something we can all agree on.

That's good. At least we all have that that we can all have. Two stars here. Jenks is a suburb, so most of the people that live here like the quietness slash relative wealth of the community and commute to their jobs. There are very few fulfilling places to work in the actual town of Jenks. You're 25 minutes from Tulsa, so hop in the car, chief. There's plenty of places to be. This person's very excited five stars couldn't be

better perfect uh still the small town feel even as the population grows it's an exclamation point so he's very happy about that the school system is one of the best around as oklahoma suffers from poor school quality in general jenks shines bright and is a, he means to say beacon here, but spells it Beckon. B-E-C-O-N is a Beckon for the other public schools. So this guy, while touting the education, misspelled beacon into Beckon. Terrific.

It could be bacon. I don't even care. I hate this person already. The downtown area is fun and inviting with things from antique shopping to an axe throwing store. Oh, A to A. It's all covered. They got it. Wow.

All of H's is thin around here. Yeah, that's it. Well, I mean, it's thick, but it's all one thing. It's all two things. That's it. That's it. There's an Apple store, too, because that fits in the middle of it. We do have that's it that's it uh there's an apple store too because that fits in the middle of it we do have that it's a very large apple store actually bigger

biggest one in oklahoma uh there is a nice range of eateries to choose from we even boast a large a-q-u-i-r-u-m aquarium we even boast a large aquarium yeah very nice that's terrific sir uh that's where we keep our queers don't you know that it's a nice place no it ain't mean we bring them on in and they dance around it's a nice place you take the kids you know how it goes here for a quarter you put it in one of those little machines and you can feed them. That's nice. Yeah. No, they eat regular foods like everybody. I'm surprised, too. That's how this guy sounds now. You give them a little cup, and you can feed them from your hand.

They won't bite. The schools are real good around here. Oh, God. The police are effective without being militant. I suppose that's good. The officers are kind and respectful of the public. Good. I find the fire department to be a little lagging in their response time.

Oh. How often are you calling the fire department where you can rate them based on the last experience you've had with them? Wow. Who in your family is a flamer? No shit. No shit. That's okay. Three stars.

Jenks overall is a wonderful town. It has a small town feel despite having such a large school. Whatever that means. I don't know what that means. It's not Columbus where everything's about the school. That's so weird. My only complaint is that the Jenks police officers don't arrest people because it might look bad on the school. Oh.

What is that? Do they want, are they looking for more children to be arrested? Or can you be like a 43-year-old man that butchered six prostitutes and they're like, Billy went to the high school, though. Well, maybe if we tell him to leave town and not come back. Maybe. You think? Maybe.

He had perfect attendance in 87. It's going to look bad. I mean, he was on the football team, man. We can't. We can't. This is going to look bad on the school. I feel like the school did this to him. Oh, Jesus.

Population, 24,257. It's way up since 2000. It's more than doubled since 2000. So people are flocking here running from the tulsa neck fucking incidents obviously more females and males a lot of people 25 to 44 and kids under 14 families sitting there having a couple kids watching first 48 they get terrified they move over here that's how it works out of here higher married, lower single with no children population, all of that. Race of this town, 76.9% white, 2.8% black, 3.5% Asian, 4.8% Native American, which is way higher than normal, and 5.6% Hispanic.

64.1% of the people here are religious. So it is quite religious. And the highest one that i can find is edging at just slightly edging it is the baptists they they take it they they edge out the methodists and they they win the area as we know the baptists are the catholics of the dust bowl so that's how this works uh last election 40.9 percent of the people voted democratic, 56.5% voted Republican, and 2.7% voted Independent. The unemployment rate is about normal here because Tulsa's right there. There's a lot of jobs. Median income is high, though.

Median household income here, $90,039. Great. Way higher than the national average. Cost of living here is about average, though. That's awesome, too. 100 is regular here. It's 96, so not that bad. Median home cost here, $257,700, which is low.

And if we've convinced you, Dan, that that aquarium and those schools are calling your name, it's a beckon for you, and you can't help it. We have for you the Jenks, Oklahoma Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $1,023. So that's lower than the national average. House number one is four shitty houses on one property. Four bad houses. They're all about three bedroom, two bath, 1,100 square feet, which is fine,

but they're all dumpy, and none of them look like they're even in the same neighborhood as each other, but they're all... They're all together, though? They're not the same style. One's mint green. One's like a brick house.

One's got weird siding on it. You're like, who fucking... What four people built these houses? You know, like this guy bought them all. All four people were like, you go build a house. You, you and me will all build a house and then we'll see what it looks like on the same yard. So it was a game show. That's what I think it was.

This was like a weird experiment, like an early HGTV from the 60s or something. They're all one hundred8,750 each, or you can get the whole lot of it for $795,000. I don't know if that adds up. I'm not sure. It feels a little short. Feels like if you buy one shirt for $799, two shirts for $20. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a square deal.

House number two, three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,882 square feet. It's a real, just built in the suburb. It's nice. It's clean. It's fine. It's boring. Kind of your standard house here. Just reduced.

It's $285,000, though, so for that kind of house, it's a good price. It's going to keep going down, I got a feeling. It's going to keep, yeah, maybe. This one here, I don't even know how this exists in this area. Six bedrooms, seven bath, T-bowl for each and every B-hole. 15,835

square feet. It looks like the Wolf of Wall Street's house. It's got a big grotto in the middle. It's a ridiculous, silly mansion. It looks like the Wolf of Wall Street's house. It's got a big grotto in the middle. It's a ridiculous, silly mansion. It's so silly. It's on 10 acres. It's gorgeous. $2,150,000, which is

expensive, but for that house, it's low. Yeah, if you're looking for a $2 million house, that's the biggest one you're going to find. We'll tell you that. If you're looking for a $10 million house, that's the biggest one you're going to find. We'll tell you that. If you're looking for a $10 million house, you just saved $7.5 million. Of course, you have to live in Jenks, Oklahoma, but that's the only downfall. Things to do here, obviously the aquarium. You got to do that.

You got to go down to the aquarium and look around. It's Oklahoma's- See that clown fish. You got to do it. It's the state's only freestanding aquarium. I don't know what difference that makes but they got another one but it's over there in the in the rainforest cafe you know it's different yeah we don't need none of that uh the also they have rooster days which is a festival of some kind um there's a it looks like a fair looks like a big county fair lots of like corn dogs and you and fried foods that shouldn't be fried.

They put it on a stick and give it to you. There's a parade, and they have local youth performers. That sounds wonderful. I don't like that at all. If you have any interest in watching kids who aren't related to you perform anything, you're a pedophile. I'm sorry. That's it. Like live. If you would go somewhere. i'm sorry that's it like live if you

would go somewhere i'm not saying like you know america's got talent with kids on it or something you're like oh look at that kid i'm not saying that but if you're like i'm gonna go down to the parade and just watch them little girls dance i don't trust you i just don't trust you unless one of them's your niece or something i fucking crave absolutely uh tra Kidd will be performing, who just looks like a depressed middle manager of some he's like works in HR at some office. The Grant Sterling Band will be there.

Yay. Donny Vinn will be there. Oh boy. The Crow Band. Mr. and Miss Little Rooster Days, because there's a pageant. Obviously. And the Paul Holt Band will because there's a pageant, obviously. And the Paul Holt Band will be there as well. So now for the Miss Rooster Days,

this is a big event there. The rules are, and there's a shitload of rules, but I'm going to read the first rule because I feel like it's probably the most important to these people and the rest of it. Contestants must be a high school sophomore or junior. I'm out. You know, that sweet spot right in there. You know what I'm saying?

When there's grass on the field, but it ain't overgrown. You know what I'm talking about. Don't need no mowing. You know what I'm saying, right? You know, we'll have a whole contest and just look at them girls and tell you. We'll tell. We'll decide who's the prettiest. What do you say?

Ah, creepy. Creepy. I don't like it. Grossed out. Just the girls that don't you say? Creepy. Creepy. I don't like it. Gross. Just the girls that don't own Tiff mowers. No good. Gross, man. So crime rate, crime rate in this town besides the pageant.

We're interested in here. So crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here. Property crime is about one third under the national average. Oh, so a little bit low actually. And then violent crime, murder, rape,

robbery, and of course assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about also one third under the national average. So safe, safe place. That said, let's talk about an absolutely horrible murder, shall we?

What? I wasn't so safe for somebody? How safe it is here. So let's start out with there's a guy named Timothy Sean Stemple. Okay. He's 31 years old. It's 3.30 in the morning. Yeah.

And his wife isn't home. Okay. Now, she's not out partying or anything like that. According to court documents here, I'm going to read right from the document because the way court documents put things sometimes different states do things differently because whoever's writing the document, some people you can tell they have a little bit of writer in them and they want to make it like a narrative you know what i mean they'll the beginning of like the the facts of the case will be they'll say like the facts read like a sordid second rate murder mystery or like they'll say shit like that and then they'll add their own like and it's kind of fun to read then sometimes it's like uh you know just a like almost like a little readout like this happened at 3 34 p.m just man went here 4 like it's very you know right dry this is kind of in the middle and it's hilarious it just says he called police at about 3 30 a.m just about his wife yeah next sentence he said his wife trisha was having bad cramps hello 9-1-1 yeah um she's she's being a real bitch this time no i'm serious like

no i know you said don't call no more just because she's i get it but like it's it's i know it's cramps but for real like she's unnecessarily starting things and like y'all should come down here and talk to her she's just just being a real pain in my ass right now bringing up a lot of the past she's just everything. I'm like, that's old stuff. That's old stuff. Why you got to talk about that? Thought we said that was over.

You know, things like that. 9-1-1. Yeah, there's a lot of tears. Yeah. 9-1-1. Yeah, it's me again. Let me tell you something, boy. I mean, this is just something over here.

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and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast We'll be revisiting all six episodes of Part 1 and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max starting April 21st the official jinx podcast listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts so then the next sentence clarifies that he tells them that he they she went to walmart at about two but still isn't home it's a real gentleman there too he was He was like, you got cramps? All right.

See you when you get back. Walmart's that way. Open 24 hours. I don't know. I got a Sega Genesis game going on. I ain't got time for this bullshit. See if you crunch up Pamperin' and Midol. Yeah. If you snort it, it'll get in your bloodstream faster.

Do it before. That way, by the time you come back. Yeah. It'll affect you on the drive. So this is October 24th, 1996. This is going on, 3.30 a.m. So yeah, he's just playing his Sega Genesis, waiting for PlayStation 1 to come out.

Come on, man, what is this shit? So here he is doing that. He calls police, and at that point, both he, he goes out to look for his wife, and the police go out searching for her at the same time. So they're all going to go out looking for her. Now, they find her car on the side of the road, on the side of US Highway 75. They find her black Nissan Maxima off on the shoulder with a flat uh right passenger or right driver's side tire totally flat so they're like oh shit okay well tire went flat obviously yeah she probably got

out of the car she must have been looking for a ride so they get out they do like a you know look around the car with the flashlight she's not around here i don't see her maybe she got a ride maybe she walked over here somebody picked her up you know something like that they get back in their cars and they go she's not here everybody can't find her they go home sean goes home that's that no no idea where she is she must have been sucked up by a twister just one of those it's a real concentrated tornado, very small. Too close to shift change for us to do much more. Yeah. We think she might be in Oz now. We're looking.

She was taken pretty far, I'm pretty sure. We're looking. If you see a lion with a man's face, let us know about it. We'll put out an APB in Munchkin Land. Let us know about it. We'll put out an APB in Munchkinland. You see like a young girl. Anything made of metal that can talk, that's probably something you should tell us about, I feel like.

There's a lot of different witches. If you see a full-blown, I'm talking a full-blown witch, though, with like flying monkey people around her. Call the police on her please so this is a real munchkin land pd jurisdiction problem i think that's all man i mean that's come on it's it's gotta be it's gotta be so they go home it's dark middle of the night can't find her twister must have taken her who knows yeah then at 7 a.m. there, which just after daybreak, sun comes up, I think, around the late sixes here. So it's just coming up. A man is driving to work in the morning on U.S. Highway 75. And as he's driving, he sees the Maximus still on the side of the road and about 200 yards away from it, down some and off the road a bit because there's very wide areas.

If you're thinking of a freeway and you live in like a California or somewhere like that in Arizona, maybe you see like a freeway and there's not much on the side of it on the exits and things. But here it's a freeway and there's large swaths of of land next to the freeways that are just grass you know what i mean so taller yeah taller grass kind of hills so about 200 yards from the car this guy sees something in the grass that just doesn't look right he thinks so he must hate his job a lot like how bad do you have to hate your job to go well that looks suspicious i better pull over shit if it's a if it's a corpse i'll probably get a half day hey how how badly does your job blow ass to fucking have to if i call my boss and have the detective say yeah he's given a statement i could just stay all day i feel like i won't even have to use pto

right that won't that's like a it's like this gets gets coded different yeah yeah because it ain't a sick day and it ain't pto it ain't my fault ain't taking my pto for you know i had no choice they might put it under jury duty i don't know maybe that's it jury duty like reserve military yeah a duty so maybe i like a different alternative code possibly there's a different way for the company to write this day off and i don't care i'm writing the day i'm doing it so this guy pulls over seeing something weird really wanting some time off today and walks off the freeway 200 yards or not you know not 200 because that was some of it's up so 50 60 yards off the road walks into the grass to explore what this could be in the tall grass holy shit and what he finds will definitely give him a half day because it is a

human body over there so he's like ah jackpot was right. Maybe he's just really nosy. He stops three, four times on the way to work every day hoping things are bodies. It's mainly just like a tire or an old refrigerator box or something or a homeless person who's sleeping. Or he's a geocaching guy. Yeah. Who knows? He's finding Pokemon. Fucking.

Yeah. That's all it was. Tracking Pokemon. So this body here is the body of a young woman actually of a woman it is a 30 year old trisha jane ruddick stemple that is timothy sean stemple's wife that he was looking for that went to walmart with cramps according to him so yeah this is um we found her anyway mystery solved but no more cr But how'd she get from there to there is the other question here. So the car has a flat tire.

They see that. This happened in the middle of the night because, you know, 3.30 a.m. they went there and her car was there. So middle of the night, it was dark. Cops are starting to put it together. It looks like possibly she gets out of the car, possibly trying to flag somebody down for help or a ride or something like that. Somebody's not paying attention. It's the middle of the night. It's dark.

Somebody falls asleep. You got a truck driver getting a lot lizard blowjob or something, drifting. Somebody plunks in and we're going 80 miles an hour. She rolls off into the weeds. There you go. Solved. Drunk driver, done and done. That's it. we're going 80 miles an hour she rolls off into the weeds there you go solved drunk driver done and done that's it drunk driver distracted you know coming driver whatever you want there so so they see that and they're like all right that seems right but then they get a call later on in

the morning on the crime stoppers phone line yeah just the tip line they have set up around there and the caller says that earlier today i don't know if this is anything but i was driving in the middle of the night last night on highway 75 and i saw two men and a woman fighting along the side of the road but near a black nissan maxima that was parked there so nice tip coward i didn't well yeah i didn't pull over or anything i i like my job i wanted to get yeah i wasn't looking for a shit to do i had shit to do no yeah he was like i didn't know what the teams were or i didn't know if like it was like a you know a three-way every man for himself i didn't know if that's triple threat so you know well i thought maybe i like to let her have her chance. Or it was like her and her husband beating up on

somebody else, maybe, which is like, maybe he deserves it. I don't know what it was. And, you know, I just kind of, Oklahoma, mind my business as I'm driving. So I just kept on going. So he kept on going, but he does make the call and say that. This was among more than 100 Crimestopper calls they'd eventually get on this whole case here so the crime stopper caller another one calls later on in the afternoon and said i saw on the side of the road in the middle of the night here i saw because now it's released that a body was found later on the day they say i saw the black maxima but i saw an older red pickup truck parked behind it oh when i just passed by in the middle of the night.

So there's another clue, basically. So they're like, okay, they're trying to put this together. There was people there. Was it somebody pulled over trying to help her with the tire maybe? Did something go wrong? Did someone come on to her and then she resists them? It's the middle of the night. She's creeped out.

She tries to run away. Who knows? Or did she get hit by – or is this separate? Did someone pull over to try to help her or whatever, and then she went walking and got hit by a car? Who knows? Trying to put it together. There's a lot of factors here. So they autopsy Tricia, and her injuries are horrific. I mean, they seem, they seem way more than what you would have from a drunk driver running into

you once and you rolling off into the weeds here. She has her skull and neck bone, neck bones, a couple of vertebrae and her skull are crushed. Parts of them are like, not just broken, like dust, crushed,

crushed and mashed. Um, her pelvis is them are. Like, not just broken. Like, dust. Dust. Crushed and mashed. Oh, shit. Her pelvis is also crushed. She has 17 broken ribs, which is a lot. Yeah, that sounds like all of them, I think. At least. How many have we got? That sounds like all of them plus a couple, right?

It's at least half, right? If we had 34 ribs, that would be wild. We'd all be 19 feet tall, wouldn't we? We'd be as many teeth as we got ribs. That would be amazing. You got as many ribs as you got teeth. Also, her sternum is broken. Her arm is broken.

These are injuries where if maybe a semi was going 400 miles an hour, you'd have these injuries. Or she was thrown from a plane like in Scarface or something. Shoot didn't open. Yeah. Her whole skeleton is broken. It's a lot of injuries for an accidental pedestrian. Collision. Yeah.

So they're like, this is crazy. So then they put that together, which she was trying to put together the night. She left for some might all or something. Yeah. So they're like, this is crazy. So then they put that together, which she was trying to put together the night she left from for some, you know, might all or something and never came back. This is how they go. So they're investigating the scene a little bit more and they see tire tracks where a car went off the road onto the grass near there and then went back onto the highway. So they see tire tracks there. They also see some like burnout tire tracks on the actual like the shoulder of the road. And they're going in different directions. So it looks like multiple burnouts that happened right near there.

So they're like, this is weird. So they start kind of a full investigation now because this is all very suspicious. It seems that way. It's all a little suspicious. So they bring in a guy named Rick Robertson who owns Robertson Tire Company, aptly named Robertson Tire Company. He says that he examined the car and the tire had not been driven on at all while it was flat like not even one rotation of the wheel really which everybody who drives knows you don't predict when a tire is going to go flat pull over and then it flattens gently over on the side of the road you think you're on a shit road

and you're like this fucking road sucks this goddamn shit what hold on a sec is that oh fuck my goddamn shit fuck and you got to get over three lanes the whole time. You pull over and your tire's wrapped around your rim and twisted. And you're like, great. Perfect. The vibration is a good indicator, but we don't get it until we smell smoke. Yeah, until we see a fire starting behind us from sparks. A light glow. Yeah, a light glow. We're like, hey. Well, fire starting behind us from sparks. A light glow.

Yeah, a light glow. Like, hey, well, that's not supposed to be like that. Or another driver pointing down. Yeah, going, oh, my God. Like, making like a fire signal with their hands up in the air. Blue motions with their fingers. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Like, that's pointing to your wheel. Yeah, and you're going, that's exactly what it is. Like, that's pointing at your wheel.

Yeah, and you're going, that's what that vibration is. You're waving back, hi. People are friendly around here. I heard Oklahoma was friendly, but this is just strangers wave to you while you drive. Hello. No, I see you. Hi. Oh, man, maybe people are creepy around here.

Your car's on fire. Oh. People are nice, but it sure smells like Cleveland around here. Oh, man. It smells like jizz and burning rims. Jizz and tire fires. We'll be in Cleveland on February 10th. Unhook yourselves from your suicide bars and come on down and see us.

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OK. Yeah, it's not like a good. No, that's pretty bad, actually. That's a giveaway. So also her injuries being so severe as well. They're like this. What is happening? This isn't like a normal thing.

This is there's all sorts of weird factors to this. So they go, we got to go into her life and see what's going on. This doesn't look like an accident. And anybody that will go to this much trouble probably didn't just meet her or this isn't a stranger type situation, especially with all this blunt force trauma to everywhere on her entire body. So on this, they figure out that she met sean her husband uh timothy sean he goes by sean by the way sean stemple she met sean stemple when he was 19 and she was 18 oh young love yeah they're 31 and 30 at this point well it was young uh like at first they got along amazingly well they're from very similar families and backgrounds uh

both very religious and conservative and sean's father's a minister so you know they're they get they get they're both raised the same way so they get along that way and um because they are so religious and everything and 19 and 18 she gets pregnant immediately that's what happens that's exactly what happens she gets pregnant within you's what happens that's exactly what happens she gets pregnant within you know a very short time of that meeting and then before you know it it's walking down the aisle time here comes the bride let's go so yeah yeah we got to get it going quick here you know yeah nine months well you only got a few weeks before this shit starts showing and

you're buying that dress off the rack because we got relatives coming in from out of town and we will not be embarrassed by this i feel like that was the general vibe let's go who knows they had a uh they they get pregnant they have a son uh that at that point. And Sean begins working. Sean is trying to find a career. And this we can relate to a lot. If you're not an educated person college-wise and don't have like a trade school or a direction, if you're just a 19-year-old person and you're like, I'm going to go find work now,

you're going to have a shitload of different jobs over the years. Because that's what both of us have done yeah both jimmy and myself have had these terrible jobs up but this is the first thing that's really worked and stuck stand up and this is it you know what i mean comedy in general is the first thing that's been like you know oh wow you're not going to get fired in a week you're actually good at this year in comedy and it is absolutely my second longest career and uh best by far because the only people that can fire me i have

to have a lot of people fire me all together at once and they still can't fire you could still do it it would be pointless but you could still you could say crazy shit forever and no one could stop you whereas you know if you were when you worked at the grocery store or the pizza place or these others, they could tell you to stop coming to work, please. Yeah. Whereas us, no one can tell us to stop.

They can't, we can keep going forever. But so they end up getting together, but he can't find, he can't find his path is the thing he can't find it. Just like we couldn't find it. At least you got a job at the electric company, which was a stable job for you. So lucky, too.

I never found that. Like, I was always this and that and, you know, trying to figure it out. So he's going through the same thing. And five years after they get married, they have a daughter as well. So they have a son. They have a daughter. Eventually, though, they buy a small home. So they get a son, they have a daughter. Eventually though, they buy a small home. So they get a family home with the two kids and, uh, you know, they're building it's when you get

married, 1918 and start having kids, you're starting from a hole. So financially, so if you can get to the point where you can buy a home and do all that, you're, you're doing it. That's, you've done a big thing you're you're figuring it out you're finding your way that's you've done difficult to do yes you have done a magic trick essentially when you do that it's impressive so good for these people doing that um but the problem is over the years we're talking by 93 94 that it's still not sean still hasn't found anything yet he still hasn't found anything one day he's a landscaper the next month he's delivering shit for you know a company the next month he's an

exterminator like he's got no and he can't do that a lot no he's got no direction sean is a weird guy because he's he it seems like he tries to act like he's a very stable, studious kind of a guy, but his actions don't lend that at all. You know what I'm saying? And he's a young guy. I get that, too. Like I said, we've all been lazy and shit like that when we're younger. But he can't really get it together, can't find a permanent career where he could try to advance and try to make some more money for his family. And Trisha starts to wonder, like, is this ever going to come together with this?

Is he ever going to find something and latch on? She's not wanting to divorce him or anything. She's just, you know, starting to wonder kind of to herself, like, Jesus Christ, is this always going to be like this? Are we always going to be having money problems and worried about our bills? And, you know, are we ever going to get anywhere? So Tricia ends up getting a job at a Christian ministry. Oh. to be having money problems and worried about our bills and, you know, we ever going to get anywhere. So Tricia ends up getting a job at a Christian ministry.

Oh, it's kind of a good it's a perfect place for her. She does very well there and and, you know, gets a promotion, a raise and becomes the breadwinner of the house. So she becomes the one who makes all the money. And Sean becomes responsible for some things around the house here. Well, not many things. Tell you what, let me tell you what Sean's responsible for. This would be easier just to do it this way than to tell you what he's not responsible for. So

they get up. Trisha goes to work and then Sean drops the kids off at school. Yeah. That's it. I was done with my list. That's it. That's a sick day. I was done with my list.

That's what that pause was. I was just done. Oh, that sounds great. That's his responsibilities as far as that goes. So he's, you know, that's not a bad life, I guess, for Sean. One thing he does every day, though, I guess he drops the kids off from school, and then on the way home, he's hungry. Yeah. Morning. He gets a little peckish in the morning so every day he's been going to the

mcdonald's drive-thru i love those hash browns they're delicious so you know everybody i love those fucking hash browns i love them you can if you can ask for them extra crispy they're on oh if you say extra crispy dude they are another level they're insane crispy on the outside soft on the inside sarah told me that the worst thing about them is that they uh are so soggy and the middle is garbage oh god they're terrible extra crispy you're like is this the same where the fuck did this come from different life different life i didn't even know you were allowed to do that i didn't know you could possibly do that sarah was like no x just tell them extra crispy and she did it and i got one and i was like oh my god my whole life

has been wasted i could have been eating crispy hash browns this whole time see this is how we why we were the universe put us together do you know they make those and they have them in the grocery store just the yeah not mcdonald's brand and then you can toast or make those and they have them in the grocery store just the yeah not mcdonald's brand and then you can toaster oven them and they are unreal there's toaster oven version i thought you had to like deep fry them you don't have to deep fry you can put that motherfucker in a toaster oven put a little slice of cheddar on it james it is magic can you pan fry them probably you probably could but with the frozenness there'd be grease splashed there'd be oil splashing everywhere that wouldn't be good toaster oven it and you'll lose

your mind you get to throw it in the oven too i guess i mean it's the same thing but it's not just a bigger oven it's not a larger scale probably for not as long i would say yeah it's probably something like that. I guess it's all relative with temperature. It really doesn't matter. I mean, I guarantee a 350 on your toaster oven is an entirely different 350 in your oven. Well, if you open the toaster oven door, all the heat's gone immediately, so it's got to reheat up again because it's such a small area to be heated. So it's very quickly gone. I've got an Oster, and it does those things incredibly.

My daughter loves being here on the weekends at the house because when it's Dad's weekend, we get the McDonald's things at home, and they're fantastic. I've got to do it. I've got to do it. Well, this guy's as excited about McDonald's as you are about your toaster oven hash browns. He's into it.

He must have a real sausage egg McMuffin fix he needs or something. So then it becomes more clear why he's going to McDonald's every day because he's met somebody at the drive-thru that he likes to talk to. He's got a friend. He's got a friend. You can call it a friend. It is 18-year-old Danny Wood, who is Danny with an I. She is a young lady, and she likes to party.

Oh, Danny Wood. Oh, Danny's a wild one, yeah. She's a bit of a wild child, and she's in the drive-thru window, and he keeps coming through every day. Now, at this point, I need to explain to you and everyone out there. You understand this because you've seen the pictures, but everyone out there, I need to explain the physical appearance of Sean Stemple. Okay. Yeah.

Because it's really an extra character in the show because you could, during a live show, there could be a thousand people. You put his picture up immediately. A thousand people go at the same exact time, not involuntarily. We don't Immediately, a thousand people go, huh, at the same exact time. Involuntarily. We don't cue them. I just go, oh, here's a picture of them.

I never say, oh, my God, he's hideous. Check this out. We just do that, and they all go, huh. And then they start laughing hysterically. So if your appearance makes people first recoil in horror and then roll that into laughing at you because you're so stupid looking. That's a bad appearance. I don't know if he does look stupid, but he's he's it's haunting. It's haunting.

He's OK. It looks like you took a baby's take a Photoshop, a baby's face just their face with their cheeks up to their eyebrows around their chin take that face that little tiny scrunched up baby face and don't adjust it for size either don't like whatever don't make it bigger to fit on an adult head take a baby yeah take a pinched up baby face and put it on Terry Bradshaw's head. Terry Bradshaw's head. Put the baby face in the middle of that face and then have Terry Bradshaw's giant forehead, bald head, and blonde hair. That's Sean Stemple at 30 years old.

There's so much head. It's so much head. His forehead is twice the length of his face. I've never seen anything like it. You could put two of his faces on his forehead. And I don't even mean like the bald part. I mean the part where the hairline would start would fit two faces between that and his eyebrows. It's bonkers. And he's got a bunch of hair around the sides and back that comes up but then just stops.

Oh, it's very short. He's got Homer Simpson's hairline, and he's 30 years old, and he's going with it, too. He's not shaving it. It is awesome. So it's really ballsy. You've got to have a lot of confidence to pull this up at 30. And he's got a tiny little face. He's not a real attractive guy.

So he's pulling up to the drive-thru. All she's seeing is this head showcasing this face this terrible terrible feature that he has yeah and based on this and i guess this he should be a salesman if he's got this kind of game where he can come up just displaying his head right and get some shit talking going with an 18 year old attractive woman and he's 30 he should really be a salesman because after a few weeks of going through the drive-thru seeing her every day finally danny's like hey are we gonna get fucking or what what's going on here what's up fucking tease what's up you come in here with your bald head shining

ordering egg mcmuffins like i don't know that's code for something and we're not gonna get it on what's up with that what was that movie where extra anchovies meant you come over and bang the woman oh what was that was that reno 911 no it was a delivery it was a movie with uh the uh the guy from gray's anatomy oh okay but the code was extra anchovies and you don't put anchovies on the pizza, but it doesn't matter anyway because she's not eating it. All she wants is that dick. She wants that head. She wants to rub a sausage patty on his head.

Extra crispy hash browns. Yeah. She knows. She's like, that's euphemism, and you know that as well as I do. You're going to get a blowjob one of these days, James. By accident? Hey, get off off me what are you doing you you said extra crispy asshole jesus like i'm the jerk fine reno 911 was extra spicy typhoon was supposed to be for the girls and they would come over and beat up junior every time when he made a move on him they said a dude yeah then he beat him up too yeah so um there yeah so he goes well i mean yeah i guess we'll get fucking so she's like why don't you pull

over there into stall number two like you're waiting for hot french fries like your your meal's not complete he goes over there she comes out and gives him the happiest meal of all time. She comes out and rocks his shit in the car in the McDonald's parking lot. She's making up for it, giving him better head. That's all. Because he's got the worst one. He's got a terrible head. The worst one.

Oh, my God. His head is bad. And so she's trying to make up for that. Haunting. Ha haunting is a great word for it it really is haunting you will never if you see this man's head you will never forget it as long as you live follow at small town murder on instagram go there check out this guy's head because we'll definitely post it that picture of him man it's there's several pictures you have to see him it's wild. It is incredible.

Yeah. So they would fuck in the car while she was on breaks for McDonald's. Really? Yeah, she'd be on break for McDonald's, and he'd be like, come over there, and he'd pull into the thing, and she'd be like, oh, I'm going to take my 15 now, and she'd go out and use her 15 minutes to plow this guy. Best use of time. Wow.

Damn it. Talk about five stars for this McDonald's best use of time wow this damn it talk about a five stars for this mcdonald's first of all i'm a service is incredible this is wild i don't think i've ever been satisfied when i left mcdonald's no no he's ever not been every time he's like i'll tell you what i am loving it that is a good slogan because that is that is something else i'll tell you what, I am loving it. That is a good slogan because that is something else. I'll tell you something. They nailed it. They really did. Burger King stole. I'm having it my way.

This is certainly my way. I'm certainly having it my way in 30 minutes or less, too, because they took that from Domino's. So it's fine. It's all the same. So eventually, she gets her own place because, you know, you can only fuck in the McDonald's parking lot in broad daylight for so long in mid-morning. Yeah, you can't act out all the fantasies in it. No, no, you can't. Fucking Maxima.

So she gets her own place, and then they got fucking over there. She'd come over, or he'd come over more than once a day to to have sex with her. And she'd be like, awesome. Already all the time. He'd pop up. Hey, you know, just pop up with his cock in his hand going, hey, I'm going to stick it in you real quick. And she's like, cool. Excellent.

It's a. Is he just using all the all the sayings that sound vaguely sexual? Like, I think so. Is it in you? Yeah, is it in you? And she's like, I can't tell. In addition to your bald head, your dick isn't that great either. Is she enjoying this?

She's into it, yeah. She's telling him, yeah, this is, I mean, she's all on board with this shit. She is all on board in love with Sean. Unbelievable. I don't understand how or why or what. What did he sell? He must be an amazing salesman. Amazing.

Like, I'm mad at him now for being lazy and not getting a sales job and just crushing it and knocking it out of the park. Because Trisha should be able to take care of those kids and you know have like an etsy shop on the side she doesn't need this he should be making fucking half a million a year in sales so trisha though starts to notice he has gone an awful lot like he says he's going to the store for milk and doesn't come home for about two hours and he's all like whistling zippity-doo-dah and shit and he oh and he doesn't even have milk so it's really weird he doesn't have milk but he's cramped and everything he comes in all cramped but happy very happy and says he's tired tired his head's all red his bald head's all red yeah so she confronts him and says look you, you've been acting different.

What's going on with you? Or are you, you know, you're leaving a lot. Are you having an affair? Are you, you know, is there another woman involved?

And he says, no, absolutely not. Everything is fine. I love you. I'm just trying to find myself, you know, and having a tough time in my own head.

Sure. Because, you know, I can't get anything going and, you know, I feel kind of emasculated and everything like that. And she says, oh, OK. And she believes him.

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It doesn't take long before they started to get pretty freaky here. And by freaky, I'm not trying to, you know, people got their own shit. We're not trying to kink shame anybody here, but this shit is to a different kind of weird level. It involves, okay, she'll invite guys over, like multiple guys, to come over and have sex with her. And she'll invite them over to have sex with them while Sean, unbeknownst to these men, hides in the closet and watches. So that's the creepiest fucking thing I've ever heard of in my life. I'm sorry. That is creepy as shit.

From Sean's point of view, just standing there staring, stroking it, going, mm-hmm. This is the guy in the corner of the gangbang, literally. Except, at least on the video, that guy is out in the open. He's not in a closet when no one knows he's there, he's going to run out with a rock hard cock at the end. This is crazy. I hate it so much. Yeah. These guys have no idea.

He's just like watching through the slats. No. That's not okay. No. He hides in the closet and watches. That's so fucked. The fucking weird part is if you told them, hey, while we do this, there's going to be a dude hiding in the closet and watch and they'd be like i don't fucking care sure most of the guys wouldn't have fucking cared anyway they'd have probably been like cool i'll fucking go over and high five him when i'm

done or something they wouldn't even there's another dude in here with him with his cock in your mouth so yeah at least that guy doesn't have himself inside you at the same time as me i just rub dicks with this guy so that guy's at least he's not involved in this to that level my balls aren't gonna touch his it's fine it's great so they um so this is starting to get freaky and you can see this is a much different relationship than he has with tricia yeah tricia is his venture yeah this is some crazy sexual shit this is a relationship that was formed based on sexual needs and sexual desires, whereas with Trish it's a different thing.

It's more of a relationship. But you get some guys, they have to pursue that horny thing they have. Whatever that freaky shit is, if their wife doesn't do it, they got to pursue it elsewhere. They can't just go, well, I'm going to have to put that aside for now. They have to pursue it, and that's what he's doing he's got to go out there and i think he's like it's me he's a fucking bald 30 year old loser he's got nothing going for him he's got no job he's he looks terrible he's and then there's this 18 year old girl who for some reason

wants to have freaky sex with him so i think he's got doesn't have the confidence to turn that down yeah and you know it's probably the only i mean granted it's not the best thing in his life because his children and his wife obviously are the best thing in his life he's got to him this is amazing yeah the luck that he has just had the good fortune to be able to do all this yeah and he was a he he was a very you know repressed religious kid and he married her when trisha when he was 19 and that's who he's been with so this is we don't know if he's had affairs in the past or anything but this is like a a whole different whole different experience for him and he is really into it we'll just say that super super initiated it so that's got to be an ego stroke

totally he's not going to turn that down right now they also get into like kind of heavy weird different kinds of bondage um things like he would tie her up and then he'd leave for like hours oh and then he'd come back with her still tied up and he'd fuck her then. That's such a good girl. Yeah. Doing some weird Don Draper shit. That's some weird shit there. Unwrap me first.

I got to pee. I've been here for four hours. That's the other thing. How long can she go without peeing? That's my point is I don't know how any of that works. You think, go okay fun is fun but i'm gonna have to pee eventually you know i'm gonna get hungry i want a snack i'm not gonna lay here waiting for you you can't just package me up and walk away and expect me to just text me when you're coming up the steps and i'll run and act like i've been tied up for the whole

time how's that but i'll be like watching tv and shit like eating food i gotta go to the store for a while you know it goes on you know yeah normal people things so sean tells her he's going to leave his wife so they can be together i'm gonna leave trisha she's a terrible mother she keeps leaving me and the kids behind and going off and doing things and none of that's true obviously she's a fine mother and a very attentive mother, and this is ridiculous, but he's an asshole. That's how it works. So this is 1996. This is all going on. By now, Trish is also working for a doctor's office in addition to the Christian ministry.

Holy shit. Yeah. They've been married 12 years. They have almost 12 years. They have two children, 11 years old, 6 years old. So they have a whole family here, and he's like, nope, I'm going to bang the McDonald's chick. That's what I got to do.

He said. It's crazy what some ball licking will do. Some freaky, yeah. This guy got his first whiff of kinky sex, and he's like, his head explodes. I got to have it all the time. I don't care. I didn't even know that was possible. man it's amazing oh that felt good i just love watching people i just love an

eiffel tower and to watch it that's all it's just something i don't know balls mashed into balls from behind is crazy to watch i want to watch it man it's wild i'm bringing my camera next time so the same hole oh god gross so that always seems really like it's crazy i'm like that looks like two animals attacking a smaller animal i don't like that at all because it looks like to me so it looks like if you ever watch nature videos you're like oh god they're gonna no one's holding the other one's tearing its throat out i don't like it so uh it's so much i can't take it he is so into this whole scene in this whole situation you know i guess like we just explained all of his motivations by october 1st 1996 he's like i

gotta find a way to be with danny i gotta find a way to be with Danny. I got to find a way to be with Danny. And rather than, I don't know, having some balls and telling his wife, I want a divorce. Why? Because I'm a horny loser. No other reason. You've done fine. You're amazing. Have you seen balls smashed into balls? I want out. I want to watch it. So I know you're not willing to do that. That's why I'm leaving. So he says, I got to find a way to do it. And I can't divorce her, obviously, because, you know, that would be way too easy. Rather than that, then what do I have that I'm a single loser with nothing and no job? And, you know, everybody thinks I'm an asshole. And what's up with that?

A much better way to do this would be what if something happened to Tricia? What if maybe an accident happened to Tricia and she was gone? Then everybody feels bad for me. I'm a widower. Oh, by the way, I also have a $600,000 life insurance policy on Tricia. What? And in the past year, Sean added an additional $350,000 in the event of an accidental death. You know, like if you had a flat tire and got hit by a car on the side of the road, that sort of scenario. Almost 50 grand shy of a million dollars on somebody who is, granted, the breadwinner of the house and the sole provider. But that's so much money.

That's a lot of money for middle class people. That's a lot of money. And no one in my family has ever had that much life insurance on them. Ever. Ever. It's never even in a million years. Well, that's a good way to get yourself murdered is by having a bunch of life insurance. Having a horny husband and a lot of life insurance?

Yeah. You add those two factors together.esus christ is your dick hard again no i've got to cancel that insurance i'm not sending the premium we're dropping it you're dropping it real low you're asking me to do things i don't want to do and you're going to look for it somewhere so he um that's that's what he decides he He goes, well, I got $950,000 in insurance on her, and I got this drive-thru chick over here. I got Danny Wood. I need to figure something out. I can do this. Now, he's no stranger, by the way, Sean, to insurance, collection of insurance funds here.

Later on, an insurance agent named Ronald Archer, he will say that he sold the Stemples, the life insurance policies. And then another, an insurance investigator, talks to him. And they find out that Sean has had multiple claims on insurance over the years from 1987 to 1996. And this is he and Tricia are co-policy holders. But we can only assume this is his idea because this is what he's doing now. She seems like she's doing fine. That's what I'm saying. She doesn't seem like a real scammer here. They've made multiple insurance claims.

The insurance investigators said those claims ran the gamut and involve five automobile accidents. This is nine years, by the way. Five automobile accidents, two burglaries, and two fires. Wow. Now, the payout for all of this in nine years was $213,211 a year. Or not a year, total, for nine years. Okay. Still, though, that's over $20,000 a year over that time period. That's a lot. If you average it out. Yeah, that's over twenty thousand dollars a year over that time period

that's a lot if you average it out yeah that's a supplemental income like a motherfucker you know that's a a real good part-time job or not bad nowadays a bad full-time job but back then it was like kind of an entry-level full-time job i've made that and jobs back you know in the late 90s so there you go um now, fuck, you know, obviously insurance fraud is no, he's no stranger to that, but he needs to figure out a way to do this. How do you do this? How does an accident happen? Yeah.

Well, what you do is you find somebody to help you out. Oh, yeah. You find somebody to help you out. Someone who's a worldly person who been around a little bit, knows some things, maybe is even smarter than you. You know what I'm saying? That's who you look for, right? Yeah. Well, no.

He finds Danny Wood, the drive-thru girl. She has a 16-year-old cousin. Hell yeah. That's who he decides to make a plan with. This is going to be his buddy. That's my guy. That's the guy. A 16-year-old kid is going to be his buddy. That's my guy. That's the guy. A 16-year-old kid named Terry Hunt, and he's a complete moron.

This kid's an idiot. That's my co-worker in murder. Wow, is he a dipshit, this kid, too. Terry Lee Hunt is a complete dipshit. He's 16 years old. Danny Wood introduced them. I don't know what Sean, being 31, wants to hang out with a dipshit 16-year-old. Like I said, he's not even a cool 16-year- wants to hang out with a dipshit 16 year old like i said

he's not even a cool 16 year old he's a total dipshit so they start hanging out all the time together yeah which is ridiculous and finally sean says hey terry i will give you somewhere depending on the settlement and everything somewhere between 25 and 50 000 if and $50,000 if you help me kill my wife, and then we'll collect the insurance money. What do you say, buddy? $25,000 is the floor, $50,000 is the ceiling. It's somewhere in there. Nowhere below $25,000.

Nowhere below $25,000, maybe somewhere in the taint of a $40,000 area. We're not sure, but possibly. I'm in. I'm in. He's 16. He's like, he's in. That's fucking retirement money at 16.

Oh, you're thinking, Christ, that'll last me forever. I could move. Well, I'm going to move to Hawaii for four or five years. And then once I'm done there, I'll probably come back here, rent something. Yeah. Maybe schlep it on down to Tallahassee. I bet I can make it stretch the rest of my life there. When you're 16, you would think that, too, about $25,000.

I'll make that last forever. When you're 16, you would think that, too, about $25,000. I'll make that last forever. So Hunt was telling him, or he's talking to Hunt, Stemple is, and he's telling Terry Hunt that, oh, I've staged tons of insurance fraud to make money. I know what I'm doing. This is easy, right? So he says, whatever you do, though, please, please, Terry Hunt, this is adult shit here, obviously. I'm bringing you in on something very adult. Do not tell a living soul about this, okay?

And so Hunt says, no problem, I won't tell anybody, and immediately goes and tells his friend Nathaniel Helm and asks him to be a part of the plot, unbeknownst to Sean. You did say no living souls but my friend nathaniel is dead inside so he's dead inside you should see his eyes when you look in his eyes you'll understand i'll bring you to him don't worry about you'll see his eyes a thousand yards there it looks like he was a nom for like eight tours i'm telling you this is just blank it's blank man he burned villages that's the type of guy he looks like so as we all know if you're a crime sports listener, you know it's always a good idea to have a teenager in your hit squad.

That's excellent. Excellent planning. That's always going to work out well. Yeah. So Helm and Hunt together, these two idiots. Good God. These two kids are morons. They go to Walmart where they, this is what they bring up to the counter to purchase, up to the register.

A baseball bat and some plastic wrap. Hello, Walmart greeter. Murder supplies, please. Oh, aisle six, right down there. Oh, yeah, no, it's everything you could possibly need. Now, don't forget to look at the end caps because the circular saws are on sale. So they are all on the end caps. So make sure you cut right through them bones.

Zip ties next week. Oh, no. We're all out of zip ties. We had a run on them. We had a run on them earlier. I'm telling you. I don't know what happened, but holy shit. So the plan is to wrap the plastic wrap around the bat to keep it from getting bloody.

It's a nice bat. I mean, you don't want to ruin a bat. Why waste it? It's a good Griffey's autograph. Yeah, why waste a good Griffey model? This is a C271. This is a nice one. By the way, if you're a baseball bat lunatic or probably more likely a professional baseball player, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

or probably more likely a professional baseball player, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Rod used to know all the bat models, and we used to discuss bats by model because he taught them all to me. It was ridiculous. 271's a nice one. It's pretty. So October 10th, 1996, is the plan is going to be sprung forth into action.

October. It's time. October the 10th. Now, the 24th is when we found her, remember. But the 10th is the first time we're going to do this. Now, Nathaniel Helm and Terry Hunt, the two teens, the two youths, they end up over on Highway 75, off in the weeds, bent down with a baseball bat wrapped in plastic wrap already okay that's it so apparently hunt had gone to helm and said hey um if you help me kill somebody we'll

give i'll give you like 25 000 so he's gonna split his 50 that he doesn't even know he's getting 50 with this kid that's the plan so they're all sitting there here. And while they're sitting there, they're waiting for the plan is that Hunt or Stemple, Sean, is supposed to pull up with Trisha in the car. They're supposed to get out. Sean has an old pickup truck that he had lent to Terry Hunt. And they're going to act like it's broken down. Sean and Trisha are going to get out. hunt and they're going to act like it's broken down. Sean and Trisha are going to get out and then the two kids are going to spring forth from the weeds and attack Trisha when she,

you know, from behind and beat her to death at the baseball bat and act like a car hitter. And then that's going to be the plan done and done. And we're all good. Right. It sounds great on the surface, but that is cold as fuck.

Oh, it's cold blooded. Yeah. How are you going to kill some, a baseball bat? Yeah, where you guys just jump out from behind and then just beat her to death with a baseball bat. That is an absurd, absurd presentation. I mean, maybe we'll run her over with the car or something, too, but we'll at least just beat her down with that bat.

So it's a really, especially this is the mother of your kids and shit. And you're just like, I mean, I'll distract her, though. Don't worry about it. You just whack her with the bat. It's pretty cold-blooded. You just destroy a woman with a bat. It's fucking crazy. So here comes the black Nissan Maxima, which Sean said they would be driving. And so they pull up.

And the kids can see in the car, though, the driver's side door opens. The light comes on inside the car. And they can see that trish is not in the passenger seat yeah it's just sean sean pops out of the car and in a loud angry tone yells toward the weeds over there the bitch can't make it he can come out now for fuck's sake yeah no no ollie ollie oxen free she can't fucking make it lazy bitch late for her own fucking murder this is ridiculous it's just me good god look at just enough oh my god unreal can't make it fucking lazy so helm didn't even know who the intended victim was by the way they just he just knew that he was there to kill someone and that they were you know the plan could not go through at this point because as sean put it uh

trisha said she's sick i think she's just malingering you know how it is yeah i think there's three people that are sick and they're standing on the side of the freeway right now with a baseball bat wrapped in saran wrap discussing what the next step is in this plan. Wow. So Helm here, he's gone after this. Hunt decides, the next plan is

we're going to reconvene in like two weeks and try again. And I don't know if Hunt's grounded or Stay a little too late. Yeah, Helm I mean. I don't know if Helm's grounded that day or he's got like a test the next morning or something, but he can't make it that night. So it's just Terry Hunt in this whole deal. Okay. So October the 24th, 1996, his plan is the second go in here.

We're going to try again. So, again, Sean arranges for Hunt to drive the pickup truck to a particular location on US-75, park it there, leave the hood up. Universal sign for my shit's fucked up, right? So Terry Hunt is then to wait in the woods alongside the highway there with the baseball bat. Sean and Trisha pull up in the Maxima. They get out. Sean starts working on the truck. Trisha's looking in the hood, trying to help him and then terry runs up with a baseball bat beats trisha

she dies we collect money he has freaky sex terry lives for the rest of his life on 25 000 that's everybody's plan insane that's the plan of what's gonna happen here that's why we say this is why we say you don't have to there's a lot of things to make fun of in this and the plan of what's going to happen here. That's why we say you don't have to. There's a lot of things to make fun of in this. And the idea of, hey, this will be a good idea is the most obscene, absurd fucking thing in this entire. And every murder story we get to is someone came up with this idea and didn't go, that's fucking ridiculous. That's not going to work. They went, nope, I'm doing it. I don't care.

It's my time. Like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? So that's what ends up happening. Sean and Trisha arrive in the black Nissan Maxima. They get out. Sean begins to work on the truck. You know, I guess they say that his friend must have left it here as he walked to a phone, you know, to call me.

Because that was the thing. As a phone call came in the middle of the night, Sean answered and he goes, oh, shit. All right, well, I'll be right there. And then he tells Trisha, my friend who I lent the truck to, it broke down. So you got to come with me. So I'll fix the truck and then I'll drive the truck home and you follow me in the Maxima. That's the plan. That's why she has to come out in the middle of the night to do this.

So that's what's going on. Sean's working on the truck. Trisha's standing there. Hunt creeps up. Terry Hunt creeps out of the woods with the baseball bat, winds up, and wails Trisha in the head with the baseball bat. Clocks are good. But she's not unconscious.

No, because he's a sophomore. sophomore yeah he is a small child and uh he's not a big guy either he's like that's why i didn't make my little league team fuck they told me my swing was shit and they were right i think each of us could probably take a shot from a 16 year old probably um so she she does not she just stumbles and you and she's been wailed in the head with a baseball bat unexpectedly. Probably hurts. She's fucked up but not unconscious. So Sean grabs the bat out of Terry's hand and hits her, just beats her a whole bunch in the head with the baseball bat. Okay. So down she goes on the ground unconscious so they're sitting there

now they have a baseball bat and there's two guys and she's on the ground and you know she's unconscious your point of no return now like oh it's yeah you are you're involved you're super in you're not there's no way to go never mind you. Sorry. Boy, this is hard. We should not do this. No. So they decide here. This is Sean's idea. They take Trish's head. Oh, my God.

Her head, Jimmy. And place it in front of the front tire of the pickup truck. This is horrible, by the way. The next couple minutes are a pretty brutal description of they do that to try to kill this poor woman. So they attempt, the point is they're going to gun it and they're going to roll over her head with both wheels, first the front,

then the back, and then they're going to kill her because they crushed her head with the pickup truck, right? That's the plan. Problem is they didn't take into account into account either that the truck is rear wheel drive or physics, because if you do that and you

put the head in front of the you put her head in front of the front wheel and you gun it all you're going to do is push the head you're not going to roll over it yeah so for a distance they just drive with her head pushing the head along the pavement catching on it bouncing you know hitting it it's the most horrible thing I can think of. Think about that. That's disgusting and disturbing. It's disturbing. That's more disturbing than Sean's head.

It's disturbing. It's more haunting. Certainly. It's horrible. So they stop. She kind of rolls out in front of the truck and they're sitting in the truck looking for a second and they're like, well, that must have worked. I i mean that sounded horrible yeah that's at that point that she starts to get up oh my god yeah she starts getting up and they're like holy shit so sean jumps out of the

truck runs over and says to to trisha quote don't worry trish the ambulance is on the way then he hits her several more times with the baseball bat. Why say that to her if you're going to do that? Why bother? Then they take, they have another idea how the truck can be useful here. They drag her onto the grass and they place her body under the truck, in between the axles. You know what I mean?

So they could run over her and back over her and run over her again. That's the plan. So they do. They take it. They run over her chest. They back up again. They run over her chest again. So they run her over three times like a 1978 Ford pickup truck after bashing her head in with a baseball bat and bouncing it along the concrete for, you know, 100 feet

or so. So they figure at this point that has to do it, right? So they're in the grass. They drove over her. So she's behind the truck. Now, all you can see, it's dark out there. It's the middle of the night. So he has the brake light on.

You know, he's got the brakes on. So the whole area is illuminated by just that red brake light glow. At night, it's an ominous, creepy glow. In the glow of this light, they see Trisha lying there, obviously, beat up and what they think is dead. And it's at that moment that she pops up to her elbows like the Undertaker. Like the Undertaker like the like the undertaker in a match back in the day that's how she she just sat up what do you do well the that's the fucked up thing yeah they're like oh shit is she gonna i'd be afraid at that point yes i'd

probably gun it and drive away and never come back i think i'm just hope maybe we can get to mexico before she chases the truck down physically and kills us both because I'd be terrified of her. Drive this thing to the sea and then just keep going. Keep going. Does this thing float? Because if it does, we're taking it all the way to the Caribbean. This is fucking nuts. I would be terrified of her at this point.

So Sean is pissed off. God fucking damn it. He's mad. Like, Jesus Christ, she won't die. So they take. Oh, my God. This is pissed off. God fucking damn it. He's mad. Like, Jesus Christ, she won't die. So they take, oh, my God, this is fucking crazy. So Sean gets the bat, beats her several more times with the bat while she's trying to sit up, okay? Awful. So at that point, he's like, all right, that should do it for fuck's sake.

I think she's finally dead. She's not moving. All right, that should do it for fuck's sake. I think she's finally dead. She's not moving. So he goes over to the Maxima and drills a hole in the front tire, make it look like the car had a flat tire. You know, zip, zoop, there you go. It depletes. That's why it wasn't rolled over at all.

And so then Stemple and Hunt climb in the pickup truck, drive away. She's dead in the field. But then they think about it as they're approaching an exit. They go, you know, we did a lot of crazy shit, and she just kept popping up. She sat up twice. That was weird. Yeah, we should probably, let's just do a little loop around here. We'll get off this exit, get off, and go back just to make sure that she's dead.

One more time. Yeah, never know make sure she's not back there like you know just fucking doing her nails filing her nails jacking up the car you know doing fixing the wheel yeah exactly yeah undoing the lug nuts filing for divorce she's doing paperwork with a cup of coffee you're dead motherfucker no they they so they pull off they come turn around they drive back so they pull up to the spot on the grass where she was she's not there anymore oh my god she's gone they're like lost her they're like i mean oh my god where'd she go oh shit yeah oh shit so they noticed though it's very dark but when they back up and kind of shine the headlights around they

noticed that she has crawled into the grass the higher grass farther from the road so they go all right well there she is sean backs up gets a good distance to get some speed going, floors it, gets the truck up to 70 miles an hour. Wow. And plows into her while she's laying in the grass. Hits her, runs her over. That finally kills poor Tricia. Finally. What the fuck, man?

That is one of the most brutal. That's like, not quite, but it's almost to Baraboo, Wisconsin level, like just what a person can endure. That's insane. That's a horrible way to die. All of that. What is that? Probably 15 minutes of sustained beating. It's got to be, right? On the side of the road.

And while this is going on, and we know from the Crimestoppers, fucking cars are passing by. Yeah. This isn't nowhere. This isn't a farm. This is the side of the highway. There are cars passing by. That's really taking a chance. And we've been to Oklahoma, where these people are very nice.

That is taking a huge risk that somebody doesn't pull over and check. Of someone pulling over to help you? Yeah. Hey, y'all need help over here? Yeah, that's a friendly place. They'll do that'll do that shit yeah absolutely i could see it for sure somebody i got a jack in the car i'll be right out that's or they're at least looking they're at least interested so wow um so trisha is dead now and the funeral comes up after that so at the funeral, Wendy, who is Trisha's sister, she's talking to Sean at the funeral. And during the talk, he just casually mentioned that, you know, obviously I'm going to be a suspect, clearly.

And her sister's like, okay. And he goes, I mean, they always look at the husband, right? And she goes, that makes sense, actually. Yeah, I mean, maybe that's just a normal thing to say she goes all right that makes sense actually yeah i mean maybe that's just a normal thing to say you know that makes sense but then a little while later he says quote things would look really bad but given a chance i'm gonna vindicate myself that's what he tells her he's like what i she's going are you that was that did anyone else hear that that was weird right this is different conversations he just keeps popping in with like yeah a tray of carrots

and cauliflower yeah one point there's like the you know the viewing line then like as they're lowering her casket into the ground he's like you know i'm giving the chance i will redeem myself you know then later on while they're all just sharing some hors d'oeuvres, he leans over and he says, just dip some cucumber in some ranch, takes a bite. And he says, I would never hurt your sister. She's like, okay, good, I guess. Great. Hidden Valley Ranch is delicious. This is good.

The carrots are really nice. They're not dried out at all. I like them snap crunch real crunch to them there uh oh celery yay she then said she asked him about the life insurance policy didn't you guys have a big life insurance policy at least that's good you know for the kids and everything like that trying to get that out of them and sean said oh no we don't have it anymore that policy lapsed over we didn't pay for so yeah, we don't have it anymore. That policy lapsed over. We didn't pay for it. So, yeah, so I don't even have that money.

That really sucks. You know what I mean? The sister said that Trisha had told her that she was uncomfortable with that much life insurance and had asked her sister, do you think that's too much life insurance for me to have? Do we need to have that all on me? The sister was like, yes, that's a lot fucking that's way too much so the police now with all of this information they decide they obviously have to talk to sean more than just where was your where'd your wife go and shit as more as a suspect and less as a you know grieving husband right so right away they find out about his affair that's not difficult to

figure out they find that out and they question him about just kind of a general hey you know talk to you who anybody could have been mad at your wife she have any enemies all that kind of shit and then they bring up well you're having an affair aren't you as far as you know maybe that woman is mad at her you know what i mean mean? Who knows? Suspects. Yeah. So he admits to the affair. Sean does. Because you can't deny. If they know about it, that means they've found out about it.

What are you supposed to? This isn't your wife. You can't bullshit her into saying, thinking you're fucking telling the truth. There's an awful lot of Big Mac boxes in your back seat, sir. We looked. And I mean, the McRib has not been around for six months. And you have got just bags full of empty McRib boxes in there. You understand? So I don't know if you're getting a special McRib source that we don't know about.

First of all, tell us. Where's your source, boy? Tell us where you're getting them McRibs, number one. Now, that's number one. Now, number two, who killed your wife? Most important information on the agenda today who's your source who's your mcrib mix who's your mix source tell me is it grimace i don't trust that cocksucker did you get it from the hamburger is it from did he stale him is that how you got him i will put

him in a cell so he admits to the affair but he denies hurting trisha he's like i did not hurt trisha at all never hurt her don't know what you're talking about i'm more the most crushed of anybody but definitely i am been have you seen danny wood i've been let me tell you some of the freaky shit we've been doing you guys ever wanting to rub your cocks together because let me tell you i have a scenario for you i'll be in the closet you won't even know i'm there you can bounce your balls off your partner all day. You literally won't know I'm there. I mean, like, we'll lie to you and everything.

Me and the Hamburg will be in the closet, robble, robble, get to work. Let's go. And break. All right. So a witness at this, they also get a witness who was driving in the vicinity of the whole murder scene.

He said he saw a white male standing beside a red truck at approximately 2.55 a.m. on the morning of the murder. He observed the truck parked just behind a black Nissan Maxima with a flat tire. So the white male, the question would have been, when you drove by, did the reflection from your headlights blind you on him? Or was it just like a normal human being? Or did they have a big Terry Bradshaw head? Tell me. Did his forehead give off red eye? That's what I'd like to know.

Did you see that? So that's what they have now. They have the truck in there. Multiple witnesses saw the truck. But they really have nothing else to go on. They don't know who Terry Hunt is, who that other person is. They have Sean who says, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And that's it.

So they don't have the truck. They don't have any physical evidence. They don't have a murder weapon. All they have is a dead body and a suspicious husband. So no, you can't charge anybody with anything on that based on this. So the break comes when police from a neighboring police department call up and they say, hey, weird little thing we have here. I understand that this, you know, you won't be interested in this but um maybe we have this total dipshit that we arrested he's a 16 year old kid he's a dumb shit i mean honestly um we arrested him for waving a gun around at school what yeah not threatening people with it not like pulling it up just yippee-ki-yay motherfucker just like having a cowboy time with it like one murderer he's young thug this he is he's on it that's it he's he's waving it around nobody fuck

with me he didn't even got the police busting at me he's done no but now he's got a gun he's strapped and he's ready yeah he uh they said now obviously and the the police here are like what the hell do we care about your 16 year old kid at school waving a gun around? There's nothing to do with us. And they go, well, we have one thing that might be of interest to you. He was driving a red pickup truck that fits the description of the truck that you put out the, you know, the look for on. So, you know, do you want to take a look at this truck? Maybe because it matches. It's an old, you know, red pickup truck matches the description perfectly um so they go yeah shit bring dipshit over here bring old terry hunt over and sit him down because it's terry hunt obviously doing this so sit him down they talk to

him and they go listen terry we're here to talk to you about a murder. You understand? Listen, that's a big deal. You're 16 years old. We've all seen the first 48, you know, the interrogation. You're 16 years old, and we're going to talk to you about a murder. It's a murder of a woman named Tricia Stemple, and she's found brutally murdered, and we think you were right there, and we think you were involved in it. As a matter of fact, we think you might have done it.

We think you might be the murderer. And he says, Terry says, well, i had nothing to do with any murder and i'd like a lawyer period done how is he smarter than everybody that's ever been on this show uh everybody on the first 48 90 of people you see anywhere this 16 year old complete imbecile knows lawyer he knows that and they stop him that's they have to stop questioning him end of story he cock blocked him big time he's a straight gangster james he's aware he is the fucking gangster he is so the cops but they have the red truck now and they're going to keep that to go over it with a fine tooth comb while they figure out what to do with terry now they look it all over and they run going to keep that to go over it with a fine-tooth comb while they figure out what to do with Terry.

Now, they look it all over and they run the tags and they see that it's not registered to Terry Hunt and it's also not registered to Sean Stemple either. It is registered to some other old guy in Tulsa. Just some random old guy in Tulsa. They go knock on his door. Some 70-year-old man comes to the door. They're like, huh, not what I expected. Okay. You're one of the best cold- to the door. They're like, huh, not what I expected. Okay.

You're a cold-blooded killer, sir. Wow, look at you. You got a pretty good limp for a guy who can put an ass whooping on a young woman like that. Yeah. So they said, hey, there's a truck that's been possibly involved in a crime and it's registered to you. And he said, I sold that truck three months ago. What are you talking about? And they said, really? They said, months ago. What are you talking about? And they said, really?

They said, well, who'd you sell it to? And the guy goes, the guy I sold it to is a weird guy. Real weird. He was wearing a wig. He's wearing a wig. The whole thing or just a little bit on the forehead? Just a little bit up front? Just a merkin right over the bald spot.

It was all blonde and then just black and curly up front. a merkin right in the right over the bald spot it was all blonde and then just black and curly up front it was real weird it was a weird weird wig i don't know i don't know which part was the wig but it was strange either way i don't know yeah the blonde may have been the wig he's just got pussy hair right up front i mean i might have some part blonde wig if all my hair was pussy hair too it's possible so they're like a wig okay they go do you have his name and this guy goes in and looks through all his you know old man paperwork here and he says uh yeah he got all his different things and he says guy's name was sean stemple oh got it right here. Very nice. So Sean did not register it in his own name, but he did buy it.

So the truck is now sitting in a police impound, and it's going under an inspection. And under the inspection, they find blood on the truck. They also find cloth fiber similar to the victim's clothing, to Trisha's clothing, and obviously the damage to the front end of where consistent with running over a person multiple times. And the clothing you can't match exactly, but you can match similarity of the same fabric to the same thing and whatever. But there's no way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that that bull came from somewhere there. But still, they said there's some things they found in the investigation that led us on a different track at first. But now we're on the right one, the cop says here.

So the blood samples on the front of the truck end up matching Tricia. So that's not good. That truck is the murder weapon, it looks like here. And the truck belongs to Sean. So they're like, you know know what's going on here but rather than put the screws to sean right now they go i think we'd have a better shot with that dipshit kid right now now that we have this oh because it's sean's truck but sean was not in possession of that truck right so they sit terry down and they go yeah yeah yeah yeah lawyer lawyer that's great

your lawyer can sit right here with you i don't't fucking care because we got a little something there. You don't have to say a word. We're not going to question you. No, no. We just want to present you with something. Well, they tell him, listen, this truck at this point, whether it's a truck or a gun or a knife, it's a murder weapon and you're holding it. Right. So at this moment, you're the guy holding the murder weapon and you don't want to put anybody else involved in it.

So at this very moment, you are the sole lone murderer holding the murder. We found you red-handed holding the fucking smoking gun in your hand. God damn it, son. You're fucked, son. That's called the slam dunk, little mister. Yeah, you're in deep shit here. You're just the one idiot standing there with your pickup truck waving guns around it's not gonna look good for

you in court terry what do you think of that oh by the way yeah go ahead uh the prosecutor's been talking you know oklahoma's pretty pretty bullish on the death penalty lately uh yeah so you are going to be the loan charged death penalty person in this case. How do you feel about that, Terry? How do you feel about all of this evidence being on you? Did you see the slam dunk competition when he put the ball under his leg? That's what we just did. That's it.

Yeah, we are that right now. We are J.R. Ryder right now. That's what's going on. With style and flash. How are you feeling? To all the ladies in the place with style and grace is what I'm telling you, Terry. Biggie's out by then.

Yeah, he is, yeah. So he says, you know, so what do you think of that, Terry? You're the guy. You're holding the bag, so congratulations. You're a big boy now. You're going to put your big boy pants on.

Yeah. And Terry goes, let me tell you about a guy named Sean that I know. I got a lot of, you really want to know about this guy, I feel like, more than me. Because I'm just a guy, I don't know much, but this Sean guy, he's the one you want to talk to. He's fucking my cousin. And he tells the entire story. Spills it. Spills it like Chunk and Goonies who's trying to get out of you know and this

happened and i kicked the dog down the stairs that's what he's doing just letting it all out fantastic everything he's ever done i was mean to my brother when i was four and i took his candy so the cops talked to danny wood and danny wood says well Sean left my apartment around 10pm the night of the murder before the murder he didn't sleep at my place that night so there's a non alibi for Sean because this happened well after 10 she said the next day though

the next afternoon Sean telephoned her about 1.30pm and told her to sit down I got bad news you need to sit down for this. And he told her, my wife's dead. She's dead. And Danny said that she was, quote, in shock and started crying.

She said she felt bad for the kids and, oh, their mother's dead. Oh, that's terrible. What a horrible thing. Which is, you know, a normal reaction of a nice person with some form of conscience in them. A little bit of dignity. A little bit of a person with some form of conscience in them. A little bit of dignity. A little bit of anything. So Sean told her that the police, because she said, oh my God, what happened? How did she die?

She's a healthy 30-year-old woman. What's going on? And he said, well, the cops think that maybe a drunk driver hit her. That's what it looks like right now. So it's a really sad thing. I'm probably not going to be able to see you for a little while because it's gonna look bad you know what i mean it's gonna look real bad give me a minute you get it you get it yeah so two days later though he calls her up again and he goes there's some stuff

i didn't tell you about that night that something that my wife died um he said listen i lied i actually i went out that night in an effort to find her. I went out driving around looking for her after I had called the cops and talked to them. I went back over it because I didn't think they did a very thorough job there. By the way, that cop, when he called the cops, they went out looking for her. The cops did like a little cursory around the flash. She was dead over fucking 100 yards from that cop and he didn't see her. What the fuck, man? Cops didn't even see her.

She was out there dead, and they didn't look around enough to even know. Imagine the heartbeat that Sean had while he was standing out there with a cop, knowing that his wife is dead 100 yards away, and the cop doesn't see her. And he had to go, oh, I guess she's not here. What a fucking, think about the acting he had to do. Oh, I guess she's not here. Well, let's get back in the car and go oh man where could she be wow let's go check the the premenstrual aisle at walmart fuck maybe she's just deciding still it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast

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I have to tell you something. And he said that, yeah, I went out driving. I went out looking for her. And he said, I did. I found her car and I saw her lying there. I found Tricia in a state of just she was all messed up, you know. So I found her and I tried to give her CPR. That's what I was doing out there, trying to give her CPR.

And she was like, oh, my God, really? That's terrible. And he said, yeah. And then obviously I had CPR wasn't working. I had to get her to the hospital. Obviously, as my beloved wife, mother of my children. So he said he dragged her and he over to the car and he tried to fit her into his car there you know tried to get her in

but quote she wouldn't fit couldn't get her in there somehow uh you know so he said so i just left her there say again i just left it didn't go home call an ambulance he i just left her there yeah that's you know shit and and danny goes well why didn't you drive her to the hospital figure out a way to get her in the fucking car drive her to the hospital and he goes well as she was i was having a hard time fitting her in i figured well this is probably for the best anyway because if i take her to the hospital police are probably going to think i had something to do with it you know she's out there an accident happens i find her and take her to the hospital, police are probably going to think I had something to do with it. You know, she's out there, an accident happens, I find her and take her to the hospital.

That's going to look pretty bad for me, right? I don't think so. And if the CPR ain't working anyway, what's the point? Just prolonging this? This is crazy. So during that conversation, Danny Woods said, well, what if I was your your wife and what if i had been out there hit by a car would you have left me out there logical question and he he said definitely yeah absolutely you bet your goddamn ass i'd have left you out there i'm talking about saving my own ass what are we what part of police would think i did

it i ain't taking you nowhere dying a field don't you understand jesus christ i don't care who the victim is danny jesus i'm trying to think about me i'm trying to think about me for christ's sake jesus i'll go to a burger king drive-thru from now on i don't care Why are you thinking about you? Why are you making this all about Danny? This is about me. Way to make it about Danny. Nice job. All about Danny. It always is.

Great. Thanks. Not about me who happened to kill you and leave you there. I get no attention out of this. We make it about you all the time danny we bring guys over for you it's i mean i i like it too i ain't gonna lie but you really like it you know so we make it about me for a minute they said danny why are you telling us all this you know you weren't even we were done questioning you. You're like, you were cleared.

And she says, well, I'm mad because he told me he would have left me there. So I'm telling on him now. Because I don't like him anymore. She said that she had a lot of faith in Sean and she was disappointed that he said that and that he had killed Trisha because quote, I thought he was a better person than that.

Why is that so funny? I don't know what it is. What would make you think that, Danny? I don't know of what would give you that idea. Give me one fucking instance about him. Oh, my God. It was a better person than that, than any of us. Danny Wood also says that Sean told her that he got blood on his clothes.

Yeah. While it happened, because obviously if you're beating someone with a baseball bat and that he had put his clothes in his attic. And then when the police ended up looking for an attic, when they executed a search warrant after that, they couldn't find the clothes up in the attic. So, which if he was smart, he would have burned those a long time ago. So they said that wood said that she didn't talk to the police about Stemple statements because Stemple told her that he would tell the police,

uh, told her that he would tell the police and that he never lied to me before. And, uh, you know, she said, you know, I just,

I believed him. She said he never lied to me before, which is probably she said you know i just i believed him she said he never lied to me before which is probably very untrue um so he's lied to a lot so they talked to sean's parents at this point his dad's a minister these are very you know god conservative people here so just in their whole life and their religious beliefs and everything like that so they uh not politically i don't know but you know everything like that so they uh not politically i don't know but you know what i'm saying so they're uh they the the parents are crying and they're describing uh they're saying this can't be true i was you know i was i watched him cry for trisha and you know this is ridiculous stemple's mother said that sean was crying when he found out he was yelling oh Trisha oh Trisha oh Trisha

just screaming dropping to his knees very dramatic very dramatic it's a salesman what do you want Jesus Christ and she also said that the mother said she knew about Sean's affair oh Sean had been trying to stop it her son had told her several months earlier that he was having an affair and asked her to pray for him to be able to stop to have the willpower to stop pray for me and this addiction to mcdonald's and pussy this pussy is so good i'm telling you no ma makes a mcrib taste like shit i'm telling you it's amazing it's like it's like every mcnugget sauce mixed together and making magic you don't understand it's just wild it's so good pray for me pray for me pray away the pussy i haven't heard i've heard other things i've never heard prayer pray away the pussy that's

a new one so i can fucking overcome this please it's so good you have no idea so november 26 96 is when hunt is charged terry hunt they charge him officially he is going to plead guilty to shit here and he's going to testify against sean he'll be sentenced after sean is to make sure he testifies properly that's what they do. Hold that over your head. So Sean, now they get Sean in there and they have everything. They have Danny Wood. They have evidence. They have Terry's story.

They have it all. And they're like, Sean, here we go. I'm going to sit you down a little bit here. And they're going to present this to him. That's the plan. That's the plan. They're going to hit him to interrogate him one last time with, here's overwhelming evidence.

And then they're going to get him to confess to it because there's no way to back it. There's no way to get around this evidence. You're fucked. So they videotaped this whole thing. On the video, Sean begins it by saying, quote, I feel as though I should have an attorney because of how ugly this looks on me.

That's what he says. Not his fault. Yeah, all this. He was pointing at his head. This looks ugly on me, so I should have an attorney to represent my ugly head. Right. So they were like, okay, so do you want an attorney? When you say that, the cops are always like, are you saying you want to stop and you want an attorney?

And if you said yes, then it's over. But Sean said, well, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I think maybe I should have an attorney. You'll see this a lot in interrogations. And the cops just kind of have to go, well, I mean, if you want to stop, we'll stop right now and get you an attorney. And they always go, well, I mean, I think I should have one. But they just want to show you it's weird because it's usually someone that's guilty that does that because they want to show you that they feel that's the that's a card they have to play like i could play

this card so you're not in total control of me i could play this attorney card but at the same time you know maybe i'm cooperative exactly i want to be cooperative but i don't want you guys to try to i'm not a sucker who you're just gonna railroad for something because i'll get an attorney in here and shut this shit down it's usually guilty people that do that innocent people either want an attorney or not you know what i mean and a lot of times guilty people but guilty people do this a lot then sean says this okay they were like well i, we'll get you an attorney if you want one. And then he says this. And this is maybe the dumbest thing anybody's ever said in an interrogation room without outright saying, I killed her and I killed her good and I loved it.

Yeah, do it again. I'll do it again. So they said, well, I mean, you want an attorney? And then he said this uninterrupted, by the way. He said, now I got to clear my throat for this. This is wild. Well, I know how bad this looks on me. So my fear is that you guys, you guys, well, I think you're here to prove I did it and not to find out who did it.

Oh, that's the problem here. And I know you're saying not, but that's my fear. So, you know, and the questions I'm going to answer, I'm going to be choosy about it. That's the thing. And, of course, that's going to make me look worse. I understand because, you know, we have a large insurance policy. And because I'm having an affair motive motive motive whatever what say one more time motive motive motive whatever okay that's what he says because i'm having an

affair motive motive motive whatever okay imagine the cops grabbing the other cop like don't say anything shut the fuck up seriously just like keep letting him talk shut up they're biting their lip every reason that he would kill yeah motor motor motor whatever okay then he says uh i mean because you guys saw a red truck or somebody saw a red truck or whatever and i used to have a red truck, so I'm the asshole? I'm the bad guy? Okay, sure. He said, I'm the asshole. I'm the asshole. I'm the bad guy. Okay.

All right. I'm the asshole. All right. Okay. Then he goes out on to say this. This is wild. This is a total unravel here. Quote, yeah, I'm the bad guy.

Okay. I was out there that night i mean people have seen me so i was there or close to it right so from my standpoint i'm the one who oh oh my god i'm dead okay that's what he says that is unbelievable one more time from the top quickly with a quick no no interruptions i won't stop i know how bad this looks on me so my fear is now you're a homicide detective everyone just the picture that you're listening to this my fear is that you guys you guys are i think you're here to prove I did it and not to find out, you know, who did it. And I know that you're saying not, I know that's what you're saying, but that's my fear. And the questions I'm going to answer, I'm going to be choosy about them. I am

because, you know, uh, I have to, because I know, of course that's going to make me look worse because we have a large insurance policy and because I'm having an affair. Motive, motive, motive, whatever. Okay. I mean, because you guys saw a red truck or somebody saw a red truck or whatever, and I used to have a red truck, so I'm the asshole? I'm the bad guy? Okay. Yeah.

I mean, I was out there that night. Yeah. People have seen me, so I was there was there right or close to it right so from my standpoint i'm the one who oh oh my god i'm dead okay huh is he that dumb that he just like went over all the evidence in his own head and blurted it out and then said, I was there. Shit. Why did I say that?

Now I just put myself at the crime scene. Fuck. With all the reason in the world to kill her. So they're just sitting there silently like, oh my God, you're a moron. This is even on videotape. Holy shit. We're going to watch this at every Christmas party and laugh our asses off. Whenever we have new cops, we're going to show it to them.

Like, check this out. You got to see this. Show him Stemple. No, you're showing him Stemple? Yeah, I'm showing him Stemple. Of course I am. Show him the masterful interview of Stemple. Yeah.

They're like, this job can be fun sometimes. Seriously, check this out. I almost pissed my pants and I couldn't even laugh. It was great. Watch this guy confess accidentally. Here we go. Oh, my God. my pants and i couldn't even laugh it was great watch this guy confess accidentally here we go oh my god so sean states that he wants to help out look i'd love to help you guys but i don't want to screw myself obviously so he says that he's you know that's why he's selective about it so um then he said at some point later on i better get an attorney then they tell him

you know what happens and he replies tell him, you know what happens. And he replies, I do. You know what happened? And he said, I do. This is after all that. He goes, I better get an attorney. He said all that shit. Then he goes, well, I better get an attorney.

You know what I mean? And they said, well, yeah, you know, we can get you one there. And they said, it's going to be up to you or yours. Because Sean said, when's the next time you're going to want to talk to me? And he said, the cop said, well, it's going to be up to you or you're because sean said when's the next time you're going to want to talk to me and he said the cop said well it's going to be up to you and your attorney and they say sean you know what happened out there and he said i do then stemple says i'm going to get an attorney and that's when the video ended you just fucked it all up and uh he's arrested pretty soon after that pretty quickly

obviously right in cuffs you dumb shit i mean that's the dumb dumbest thing ever sean one more thing try these on get in this room come on in here now now it gets okay his mother says that her and her husband this sean stemple'semple's parents here, say that they got, they received threats from inmates at the jail where Sean was, saying that they had to pay to protect her, to protect him.

If you don't give us money, we're going to fucking kill your son in here. We're going to stab him up and shit. Stemple's father said that he had paid $2,800 to people who said they were making threats against Sean. Now, what really happened was this $2,800 wasn't to these prison extortionists who were going to kill Sean. That money was actually going to Sean.

This was a scam Sean had to scam money from his parents so he could pay fellow inmates to have people on the outside killed. What? Sean wanted to have a hit squad. He wanted to have a whole bunch of people killed, so he blackmailed his or extorted this money out of his parents. Wow.

And said that, had other inmates say that we're going to kill Sean unless you give us money, and then they gave the money and Sean paid these people to kill other people on the outside. Unbelievable. This motherfucker's diabolical. Okay. One of the worst people on earth, right? Yeah.

It sounds really bad. They said he tried to arrange the death of several witnesses. Now, the person he found to set these hits up, pretty bad dude. He's willing to kill a bunch of people on the outside. So this guy said, listen, I'll do this shit. Yeah, I'll kill people for you. No problem. I'm a killer.

It's what I do. For money, I'll do it. But I need some proof here. He said, I need something because what's going to happen? I'm going to kill somebody, and there's not going to be any proof you're connected to it. We're in here talking right now. Who's listening? No one knows that.

He goes, so the only proof you're going to have is you're going to know I killed the person. You're going to have details about it. You're going to have all that shit. You're going to have a murder on me. You could fucking own me, man. He goes, so what if something happens to you? You're going to go, well, I'll give you a murder. I can't have that shit.

He goes, I need you to be just as guilty in this whole thing. And I need to have proof of your guilt. So that way it's mutually assured destruction here. Nobody fucks with anybody. He said, so in order for me to kill these people, you need to kill Sean. You need to write me a full written confession of exactly what you did to your wife to kill her that way i have that and if you fuck with me then i can turn that into the cops okay and sean went yeah no problem and that guy's obviously a cop he's not an inmate he's not a real murderer he's he's not it's a cop

that he's telling this to give me a confession and I'll murder for you. And then I'll murder for you. You're obviously a cop. And I have all these. I'll post them on social media. I have all these slides of this, all these pictures. This is in Sean's own handwriting. This isn't typed. This isn't anything.

Sean took his fucking pen and wrote this shit out and signed his name to it. It's dated and everything. I need a confession. I like to put pen to paper yeah february 697 here i timothy sean stemple is how this fucking starts out in his own handwriting on the night my wife died had possession of the 1978 Ford pickup truck and did lure her, misspelled by the way, L-U-E-R, lure her, to the 8500 block of South Highway 75 and did, with malice and forethought, murder Trisha Stemple by means of running her over with aforementioned,

he can't spell lure, but he gets aforementioned on the first try, 1978 Ford pickup truck.ry hunt and i beat her with a baseball bat and threw her the less popular o-u-g-h for that yeah particular uh thing here uh context in her front in front of the truck i ran over repeatedly which sounds like a recipe sounds like fucking beat egg whites repeatedly uh then terry took me home and i called 9-1-1 terry hunt who i was to pay 25 000 for the job was to take the truck out of state but he punked out and kept the vehicle in tulsa until he was caught and then it's signed timothy sean stemple and then it's written in you know regular tim t sean stemple underneath it in case signed and every dated and everything so

uh not only that they go well i mean yeah that's something obviously i mean you know clearly that's something but i don't know if that's enough you know know, really to go on. I think I need to maybe, you know, get some more out of you. And Sean goes, how about maps? I can draw maps. And I have hand-drawn fucking maps of him with the road. He's got a little stick figure that says body with an arrow pointing to it, Maxima with an arrow pointing to it. It's fucking insane.

That's a lot of evidence, man. All in his handwriting, maps and things, and this is what happened went here then this guy this hitman a quote-unquote satisfied that he has all this evidence says all right fine i'll kill for you and then he goes but in order to do it i don't have a good memory or anything so i need you to write down very specific instructions in your own handwriting of how i'm supposed to commit these murders could you do that and sean went absolutely i don't want you to fuck it up you moron you don't you kill people for that's why you're in jail you don't have you don't have good planning i'll handle handle this for you. I got that. Let me plan this. So he has something that says, and it says at the top, instructions.

So it's just so we're clear. Like he's building a swing set. Instructions. And he has at the top in bold letters with an arrow pointing to the instructions, it says, don't fuck this up. Please, no evidence. Please. No evidence. Please. No evidence. This is crazy.

This is this is we're going to kill Terry Hunt because he's the key witness against me. So they said no evidence. Broken doors, cars left in parking lots, etc. Terry has to just disappear with no trace ever. Nothing can show that he was taken by force or I am fucked. The point, this is the plan. They're going to get these hit men. They're going to sit Terry down and give him some money and say, look, Sean's giving you this money.

You are going to confess to everything. That's what you're going to do because you're going to jail anyway, so Sean doesn't need to go too. So here's $1,000, and then Terry is going to sit down and write letters to the sheriff and to everybody saying that Sean had nothing to do with it. Terry was lying. It was all Terry, and he'll take the blame for it. The original offer was $25,000 to kill her. And, yes, you did it, but you did it terribly. You did a bad job.

You got caught. So now the offer's a grand, and you just take the rap. You just take the rap. You're taking it anyway. You already pled guilty and all that. So instead, though, instead of doing that, they're going to say, once he writes all the letters, then kill Terry. So now it dies with him. The last thing that he did was write all these letters saying he's a murderer and Sean's innocent, and then Terry died.

So you can't ask him any follow-up questions. Done and done. Case closed. Sean goes home. That's the plan. It's over. It's over, yeah. So he says, give him a $1,000 bundle. This is Sean talking about Terry. Give him a $1,000 bundle and tell him if you had bundle. This is Sean talking about Terry.

Give him a thousand dollar bundle and tell him if you had it your way, he'd be dead. But since I am such a punk bitch, I'm going to let him live. All in his handwriting. This is amazing. But he is going to. Then he has a question mark. Then he has where. And then where is crossed out.

And Dallas is next to it. So he's going to. I'm not sure where, Dallas. There you go. And if he comes back before the trial is over, he dies. Alan dies. That's his dad. And Danny dies. That's Danny Wood.

This way, he'll be relaxed when he writes the letters. Kill him afterward. Don't tell him. Make him think he's going on a tropical vacation. Then kill him. Tropical vacation to Dallasallas to dallas yeah then he says about the letters do it all exactly buy a pack of paper let him open it buy a box of envelopes let him open it he's certainly been watching some forensic tv shows 90s style here buy a bag of ziploc bag uh big enough for the letters

buy stamps for each envelope don't touch them the glue on the back holds prints perfectly wow let him do everything with the letters so then he says oh my god this is amazing uh this is what he the letters need to say he's got those instructions what they need to say uh and it's 1, 2, 3 with a circle around the numbers, so they're really bullet-pointed here. Number 1, I got the truck from Danny's around midnight. Took care of some business, and then in parentheses, weed, baby, in mounds until around 2.30.

So I don't know what's up with that. Weed, baby. He said driving back home around around 245 north on 75, he sees the Maxima by the side of the road, recognizes the plate, and thinks he sees someone in it. Pitch black, 245 in the morning, he's catching plate numbers on the side of the road. And recognizing that he knows them. That's normal. Gets off at the 71st street exit, gets back on at the 75th,

heading south so he can see if I need help because it's Sean back there. Number five, he continues down 75 to the Jenks Road exit where he gets off and turns around heading back north toward the Maxima. He pulls in behind the Maxima and gets out to see if I am in the car.

He sees that I'm not, so he gets back in the truck and heads off again north on 75. He again exits off of 75 on the 71st Street exit and turns around and heads south on 75 to the Jenks Road exit, where he turns around heading north again toward the car. Jesus, how many times is he going to see this car? Why would he keep circling? Yeah, he's not there, he's not there. Then he says, he is driving slow looking for me when he feels the truck hit something.

He is confused and backs up to see what he hit and runs over her again. As he does this, the lights hit on her bloody body. This is what he's fucking right. He's got like a narrative. This is hilarious. The lights hit on her bloody body. He panics again and takes off hitting her again now number three now now uh scared shitless he drove this is what it said scared shitless yeah he drove north on 75 and in a quick decision decides he's

got to get rid of the truck he remembers that i sometimes park the truck at b line and turns around again on the 71st exit and drives the car to B-Line where he drops it off and starts walking slash hitchhiking. He gets all the way to Jenks Road exit again and is thinking oh shit there's blood all over the truck probably. Oh shit Sean's

going to know I did this. So he busts ass back to the truck, picks it up and drives to wherever he really took it. That's the instruction. That's a bad story. that's the only way terry can say it now where does the flat tire come from then how about that because he doesn't explain any of that in there um then he says also this is just a letter to some background for the murderers here terry needs to know i'm still going to pay for him uh for his time spent but if he changes his story, there ain't nowhere he can't be gotten to. He needs to know in advance that the police are not going to believe

him. They will probably know he's talking for me. That don't matter. No matter what they say, he sticks to it or the others get it. T. Sean Stemple and a big signature. Why would you sign that? How many other murders is this guy setting up where you need to like have an invoice and it's got to be signed and numbered because oh i mixed it up with the i mixed it up with the feldman murder that's a totally different murder shit i got let me go through my files quick here officer i mean inmate take care of this for me take care of that then he's got a cast of characters and who they are terry hunt my boy is next to their alan hunt terry's uncle and legal guardian peggy i question mark i think peggy

alan's girlfriend uh danny wood terry's cousin also my girl she can be used as a threat against terry but she has never talked to or touched ever underline two exclamation points never get near my girl never then tanya and leah danny's sisters live in okc i don't think he gives a shit about them but danny does and terry cares about danny oh my god uh terry's mom lives in okc he never sees her but you could say you know where she is where she is at or you will find her if he fucks up holy shit so he's got this whole thing all planned out signed and everything like that next we have the letters that terry wrote oh shit so they had terry go through with this and write it that way sean would keep talking because he thinks everything is going along plan here sergeant

huff it starts out and these are handwritten too by the way by terry i am writing this letter because you guys want me to be a witness about sean timothy stemple wife that got killed on highway 75 i can't come to court that's awesome i can't come to court i'm sorry can't make it because i borrowed the truck uh that, and I hit her on accident because she ran out in front. He just hit her. She ran out in front like a wild person. I never even seen her till after. Sean should get out of jail because he didn't do.

I am sorry, Sir Terry. Well, that ought to do it, right? Oh, we're so sorry, Mr. Stemple. get the cuffs off of him take him out of there jesus you poor bastard i'll just be in here doing my time someone will give you a hand job while they process you out because that was not right next up well shit terry you also gotta clear shit up with danny she's pissed at me acting a fool yeah so he writes quote danny sean didn't hit his wife i did not like the police say it was an accident for real sean didn't hit his wife i did not like the police say it was an accident for real like for real for real like i swear not for fake not for fake season nothing she ran out in front

of me i didn't do it she did that's what he says in the letter it was a suicide it's a suicide she couldn't take it no more she jumped out in front she's the next truck that comes down this road i'm jumping out in front of it um i sent a letter telling the police what i did but i ain't going to court because sean's got to know i did it tell because sean's got to know i did yeah tell him i'm sorry and i hope he gets out terry next up sean yeah i'm sorry i hit your wife she ran out in front of me when i was looking for you. I never even seen her till after I hit her. I'm not going to court, but I wrote without the W just ROT,

but I wrote the police a letter telling them you didn't do it. So you should get out. I'm sorry. She died. Terry. Okay. So now after all of that, uh,

by the way, Danny wood writes a very nice letter to, I believe it is a member of Trisha's family here. Yeah, she said, I'm so sorry. I don't know how to tell you this because you were so nice to me. But Terry and Nate killed Trisha because of me. I'm so sorry. I really am.

I love Sean so much. He was the best thing that ever happened to me. Wow. What? This guy? How? Shocking. This bald, stupid, unemployed motherfucker just, how could I find another one of them?

I couldn't. And she didn't love him or she wouldn't have let him be with me. That's what Danny says. I just wanted my own family and terry said sean wouldn't go to jail i wanted to tell the police all along but terry said they would kill me too i am sorry so there's that now um danny writes sean this letter sean i love you and i'm sorry about everything terry and nate killed trisha so we could be together see she's playing along with it too and he's just this poor oh god i'm sitting in

jail my children have no mother oh jesus help me i just heard what terry and nate did oh those terrible terrible people so we could be together uh you know i didn't want any money i just wanted a family of my own with you terry said it looked like an accident if it looked like an accident nobody would get in trouble i never wanted you in jail but i couldn't tell the police or they would kill me too i love you always and forever and i'm i am sorry tell the kid that he started the names of the kids i'm sorry i won't say the names of the kids. So now that's a Dear John letter. It's all over with at that point. So now next up, Sean puts Danny on the hit list too.

And as a thing, Danny Wood has her address. Arby's assistant manager is where she works. Got her car there. Says she's expecting flowers at her house. He's got her all stocked out. Cop lives in an apartment across from her. Might work nights. Check for surveillance. He's got her all stalked out. Cop lives in an apartment across from her. Might work nights. Check for surveillance. It's crazy.

So, Sean's trial comes up. Obviously, they don't let him go. Oh, this is bad. Yeah. The homicide sergeant testifying calls Stemple one of the most evil men he's ever come in contact with in however many years on the job. Which doesn't

sound great, but they probably say that about everybody, I would assume. So Danny Wood testifies that she had nothing to do with the death of Trisha Stemple, first of all. She said she met Sean when he would order food at the drive-thru. She knew he was married with two children, didn't care. She said that he all the time would constantly say he wanted a divorce and she said he kept saying some not very good things about trisha to her she said that once that she once called trisha without identifying herself just to say he doesn't

want to be with you and hang up yeah fuck yeah yeah yeah yeah so she just called brainwashed that's why trisha said are you having an affair because a woman called and said he doesn't want to be with you and was like yelling and shit so that's a bad move um danny said i think she knew he was having an affair but i don't think she knew who it was with were you fucking the drive-thru chick for mcdonald's isn't gonna come up a lot she had the same voice as the would you like fries with that girl i i heard i said yes i do want bacon um i i had half a mind to ask her to say would you like that upsized yeah shit yeah might as well i guess guess. So at the trial here, Hunt testifies. He says that the first plan involved a kill switch on the Nissan Maxima where Stemple and his wife would drive the baseball bat. Stemple, they kept objecting, by the way, to this. They kept objecting to Terry's testimony saying this is the first time they've

heard these details. That's what the defense was saying. The prosecutor said that before testifying, Hunt indicated that a conversation had taken place and added that to his testimony. So they're trying to say that Hunt's making stuff up to make his story sound more believable. To me, all of those details of who did what and when and all those, those are all like nebulous details floating around. The main thing is these two idiots killed her,

planned to do it, and then drove away. Whatever who was going to do what first and then this one thought that, none of that shit matters. Doesn't matter't you both killed her yeah doesn't matter but they the defense is really trying to parse little things with terry like well at first he said this so if he lied then he's lying to you now type of shit which is fair for a defense defense attorney to do so testifies about the baseball bat um later hunt Hunt testified that he drove by Nathaniel Helm's residence before driving out to the location of the murder. And so there was more objections over that.

I guess that he couldn't find Helm. Otherwise, Helm would be right here, too. Lucky he didn't come out that night. Yeah. Hunt's testimony saying he acted like it was an assault or a carjacking and told them to get down back there and stay down with the bat. Hunt said that that was the point. They were trying to make it look like a carjacking type situation, but instead they did such a bad job they thought it was a drunk driver. They never even thought of a carjacking. That never even came up.

So there's a lot of evidence on tire marks because the pickup truck is tied to the scene not only by Trish's hair fibers and blood but also the tire marks made with those tires that went right over her. I mean, Mona Lisa Vito would have been very helpful here for this whole thing. We could have found out it was a 63 Pontiac tempest and moved on been over with so they said there are discrepancies in hunt's versions of events as he initially told his story to the police and and when he testified at trial because that'll happen that shit will get real smoothed out by the time trial comes up um even at one point in a bench conference the prosecutor said to the judge and the defense attorney i don't know if anything

coming out of this guy's mouth is going to be consistent you know he's kind of a machine gun with spraying shit but the main the main point was all consistent there those two baseball bat truck trisha those that's all the core there all the rest of it's all sugar plums dancing in your head. Who gives a fuck? So the main facts are what they are, that they were both into it and everything like that. So on the cross-examination of Hunt, they said, when you discussed this with the prosecutor, you say they didn't tell you what to say. They told you the areas in which you would be examined. You prosecutor, you say they didn't tell you what to say. They told you the areas in which you would be examined.

You'd be examined today, didn't you? And he said, yeah, that's what I said. He said, told you what questions they were going to ask you, didn't they? And he said, they said what all exact certain topics that we're going to cover. Which, yeah, they prepared you for testimony. What fucking lawyer doesn't prepare a witness for testimony? That would be to be a terrible prosecutor if they did that or defense attorney. So they said they tell you there were difficulties between the crime scene and what you were testifying to as far as a huge puddle of blood out there that wouldn't fit in unless somebody's chest was run over or some serious injury was done with the car at that point. Terry says they didn't tell me about the blood. They asked me if I run over, put the truck on her chest, and I told

him yes. And then and they said they asked you if you put the truck on her chest. And he said they said that on the docket on the court docket that it said that I had run over her. And I replied, yes, they said that on the court docket is the question. What do you believe a court docket to mean, sir? And then Terry said, I don't know where the thing states the states of the charges I've been charged with. What they gave me when I was first arrested showing the charges that I had been. It's a charging sheet with the affidavits and witnesses and all the shit that why you're being charged with something. So they said, you know, they told you that the charges are that you ran over her chest. And Terry said,

yes. So all of this goes on small inconsistencies here and there are a big thing with, with that. They're really trying to do that. So the prosecutor here, um, he says this at one point he's,

he asked Stemple, Stemple ends up testifying and they asked Stemple if he had left Oregon. I guess he was in Oregon at some point for a minute. They said, did you leave Oregon because you were run out of town because you were abusive with children? Oh. And then that was objected and sustained, and the prosecutor was actually admonished for saying that and all this type of shit. The prosecutor was actually admonished for saying that and all this type of shit. Then the prosecutor comes in here and does his closing statement. And it's fucking hilarious because they showed the jury the videotape of him talking.

Yeah. Okay. And that is damning. That looks to when I was reading it, you were laughing. So that means it's bad. It's real bad. So they showed that to the jury and then had all this shit out in front. And this is what the guy says.

And the number of times he says tape is awesome. It's fucking great. He's because they're talking about the videotape that he's recorded on. He says, quote, you look at his statements, the statements of this defendant to Fred Park, to the police, to the written statement he made. Look at those statements. They're all inconsistent. Don't you think that you'd remember what you were doing at the particular time your wife was killed? Human nature, ladies and gentlemen.

He was trying to hide something. He was making it up as he went along. That was the one thing in his plan he didn't think about. The details. That's right. He didn't have the answers for those questions on that tape you look at the statement he made to fred park on the tape and it's on this tape right here you watch this tape it's an interesting thing about these tapes you put that right up here because that's a piece of evidence you saw on this tape what's interesting about a tape is there's no credibility problem with the tape yeah there's no memory problem

with the tape there's no bias with the tape there's no bias yeah you can watch that tape and if you watch that tape and you take that statement alone he made on the tape and disregard everything else. What's he say on the tape? Quote, we have a large insurance policy and because I was having an affair, because I was having an affair, motive, motive, motive, whatever, okay. That's what he says on the tape. That's his motive. Because you guys saw a red truck or somebody saw a red truck how does he know that quote i was out there that night oh shit he says

that to fred park on the tape quote i'm the one oh my god i'm dead he admits it all to you on the tape discard everything else the tape is enough to convict him suck it sir holy shit and then he turned around and did the crotch chop to the fucking defense and thrust at them several times

shit holy fuck so the defense went ah that was pretty good what he said was that was good sometimes you gotta you gotta give the other side credit i'll tell you what for their presentation um and the judge is like sir you need to get on with your thing he's like ah i'm just i i'm getting there i just um huh well i really want to high five that guy and beautiful day out today huh ladies and gentlemen can i switch sides can i you know what i quit i'm going to be a prosecutor now i'm on your team so they spend they spend their

closing trying to challenge the credibility of various witnesses, including Terry Hunt, pointing out inconsistencies in a 16-year-old dipshit's testimony, which, come on. What are you going to do? Verdict comes in. Five hours of deliberation here. Death penalty on the table, by the way. This is a big deal.

Sean is convicted, guilty of murder in the first degree, attempted murder in the first degree, conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree attempted murder in the first degree conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree yeah not good at all for that for him he's he's fucked um the fat trisha's family said there are no winners in something like this the loss of our daughter has been completely heinous and a horrible and tragic it's been a horrible time for everybody. Yeah, I would say. Christ. Sentencing comes around.

Now they have mitigating aggravating factors here to see if you're going to get the death penalty. Mitigating factors are Sean's children like him. Okay. That's what he's got. His son comes in and says, I like my dad. Please don't kill him.

They say he's got a high probability of rehabilitation. He's got no criminal history. He's religious. He's coached children. So that means he's a nice guy. He's a young guy. He's a nice guy. And then the aggravating factors are he committed the crime for money and promise of money.

And the murder was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel, which I think this is the definition of that. And they come back with the penalty here. You, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty plus 22 years, plus 10 years.

Oh, god damn it. Jesus. And Terry Hunt gets sentenced. You, sir, may fuck off too. Life in prison with parole for Terry Hunt. So that's what they got there. A chance.

2006, Sean and Trisha's son dies. Oh, no. At like 21 years old. I believe some kind of accident, I think, here. Now, Sean's appeal is an interesting one for several reasons there was a a free sean.org website that's not around anymore there is a change.org petition attached to this case with 1600 signatures jimmy that's a lot they put together on free sean.com they put together this insane document that it compared her murder to

the murder of another man who they said was i guess had baseball bat injuries as well and they didn't have the exact same injuries so that means that trisha couldn't have been hit by a baseball bat and his whole appeal is that the baseball bat thing was all made up by Terry Hunt just to railroad Sean Stemple and that she was actually hit by a car. And that's her actual actually what killed her. And this whole thing has just been a terrible miscarriage of justice to a poor, grieving husband. That's their appeal. Jesus. Dead serious.

Dead fucking serious. Also, ineffective assistance of counsel. He says that, you know, I should have gotten better help than that. He said there was a couple of issues. One was ineffective for waiting to give an opening statement to start at the start of his case, which is a legitimate strategy. The counsel can't be faulted for waiting to make an opening statement at the start of the case. They can do it whenever they want. It's a strategy.

If it's not, I forgot to make an opening statement, that would be an effective assistance of counsel. I didn't write one, so I didn't do it because I forgot. I had a lot of shit going on the night before. My kid had a soccer game. That's ineffective. But if he said, no, no, I'm choosing to do this because I think it's a better strategy

because I'd like to save this shit at this point in the trial and be better for me. That's just a strategy. That's a legal strategy. Sean didn't go to law school, so he should shut the fuck up. Plus, imagine being his defense attorney. You have a mountain on top of you. You've got a big bald mountain you've got to try to move. That defense attorney has ulcers today.

I guarantee you. He's gotta. He's fucking gotta. Now, also, he said bad aggravating factors. He said the fact that the only time they're talking about money being a motivation was what Hunt said, and that was uncorroborated, so that shouldn't be an aggravator. And they said that especially heinous, heinous, atrocious or cruel. They said that must be supported by all the evidence.

And they said that, you know, it doesn't, that it's bullshit with this baseball bat thing. So yeah, the change.org, this is the, this is the,

their paragraph to try to get you to sign up here. Timothy Sean Stemple was convicted of the murder of his wife, Tricia Stemple in February, 1998. Sean and his family have maintained his innocence since he was prosecuted. He's set to be executed on March 15, 2012, for a crime he did not commit. We are speaking out about this so late because Sean never wavered in his faith in our justice system. He was convinced that his conviction would be set aside for violation of his constitutional rights. Up until this point, our judicial system has failed. Key witnesses for

the prosecution perjured themselves, including the only eyewitnesses. Scientific evidence shows the murder did not and could not have happened the way the only eyewitness stated it. Five forensic experts have concluded that Trisha Stemple did not, capital letters, die from a baseball bat beating, but from an auto pedestrian accident. If you knew Sean or his family or are against the death penalty, please sign this petition. Help us free Sean. Share this with everyone you know. The truth should be known. Yeah.

And there are people, every one of them, quote, I went to the freeshawn.com website and saw how weak the evidence really was at trial. I also read what the witnesses said, and all those two witnesses did was continue to change their stories. Sean's parents were even threatened by men in jail regarding the safety of not only Sean, but the safety of many family members, including Sean's children. His parents gave jail criminals $3,000 out of fear for their family members. It was Sean scamming them, you dumb fuck. It was Sean scamming them. It's all written in his fucking handwriting. Do these people not see that shit?

Because I got it all right here. I'll fucking send it to him. I realize this is from 10 years ago, but I'm getting worked up. He wrote it down, for God's sakes. We hate a false conviction. That's the worst thing in the world to take a fucking innocent person and take all their freedom away and put them in a fucking box and torture them mentally forever. It is a horrible thing that no one should have to go through. This motherfucker, I feel 0% that this guy was in here for no reason.

0%. So you're telling me, okay, you didn't want to kill your wife okay just let me keep the facts straight you didn't want to kill your wife but you're just the luckiest fucking guy in the world because you happen to want to fuck this 18 year old for a long time and have a bunch of money in your pocket to do that with and out of nowhere somebody who knows without your prompting at all, just took care of all of this for you and cleared the way for you to bang your 19-year-old girlfriend and collect all this insurance money. They even did it in a way that you could get extra insurance money. What a kind murderer.

They really wanted me to start over again. Are you fucking kidding me and if you're not a murderer holy fuck are you a callous son of a bitch to plan several more murders from yes what about that motherfucker like why what innocent people go i've been falsely convicted i'll kill everyone involved who what innocent people do that? That's not what innocent people do. Including the woman I love. That is not what innocent people do. Start putting up hits and shit.

The next paragraph is, the really stinky thing about this trial. Okay, you're an adult and you're talking about a murder trial and you use the word stinky in print. I don't care anything you say, you dumb shit. Is that the two witnesses are the most likely the ones who ran over Sean's wife with their truck. Of course they would say whatever it is that would guarantee saving themselves. I'm still in shock that this man is to be executed.

Shock. Um, here is, I guess his niece. Uh, I love my uncle so much and have no doubt that he's innocent. I feel bad for her because she's his niece. Of course she's going to.

She's been through so much shit. Yeah. Growing up looking at him as a major father figure in my life, I've seen his strength, his perseverance in showing his love for his family, especially his wife and two children. Please spare his life. That's fine. That's from his niece and I'd expect nothing less than that. Here's another one. This just disgusts me. How

can they kill a person without even having real proof? Okay. What do you need? We know the truck did it. We know fucking we know Terry was there because he knew a lot of goddamn details. We also know Sean was definitely

there because a man drove by and saw a fucking bald man fighting with her on the side of the fucking road. Are you kidding me? What are we talking about? Then he said, here's another one. I've heard his story and how much his family cares and I strongly feel that he's innocent. I don't want someone to die

just because certain facts were ignored. Please free this man. Here's another one. I believe he's innocent. Here's another one. Please look at's innocent. Here's another one. Please look at the evidence. It does not add up that Sean did this crime of murder. Why is the evidence being ignored? Please do the right thing as you stand before God, knowing that the truth is that Sean could not have done this. If there's any doubt in your mind, you cannot allow Sean to be put to death for something he didn't do. Here's another one i cannot imagine that the court would condemn

someone to death solely on the testimony of someone that they knew participated in the crime and changed his story several times in order to save his life well that wouldn't be uncorroborated the problem is all the physical evidence backs up exactly what the fuck he said right and sean was with the truck so it doesn't really matter he He's 16. He doesn't know everything. He can't spit the whole story out. One take, Charlie. Plus, he was waving a gun around at school. He's obviously a moron.

That's not goes without saying. The evidence that the court presented is murky and frankly cannot be trusted. OK, who are these people? This is a true miscarriage of justice. Okay. Who are these people? This is a true miscarriage of justice. I feel there should be a new trial in order to review all the evidence available and to review the original evidence before it was allegedly changed. I hope that the governor and if need be, President Obama will intervene in this case.

Yes. President Obama was going to reach down and pluck Sean from fucking state prison. You dipshit. That's not how this works. So next up here is alissa this is his sister this is sean's sister i believe quote sean has demonstrated such forgiveness and compassion throughout this entire ordeal wow he's been our encourager and never lost faith that our justice system would work on his behalf oh jesus okay here's an anonymous one they didn't leave their

name this is wild quote terry hunt was a thug and part of a gang his uncle is a drug dealer and all-around disgusting human being the 14 year old nathaniel helm is serving time in a colorado prison for multiple counts of armed robbery this is like five years later, so maybe. Danny's friends and they chose this trash to testify against a man who everyone liked and respected. Here's the problem with his testimony. Because of physical evidence, we know she was standing up or on all fours when she was hit by the car, meaning she was conscious. Well, if she crawled from the middle of the grass to the bucking weeds, she'd have had to been conscious to do that. No, she also had no injuries at this point. Terry said when they hit her with the car, they either quote. And then in parentheses, he had two different stories backed up, which takes thirty nine seconds or drove up to 71st Street exit.

Turned around, went to the next Janks exit exit came back to run her over which takes six minutes and 30 seconds what is keeping trisha in the same spot for that long um she's been run over already beaten run over at her car in front of are you fucking nuts uh his story does not add up and he's protecting someone oh it's always someone it's always yes and the earth is flat you fucking morons oh my god so um sean's family's obviously they're you know lobbying to have him saved but execution week comes and the last chance they have is clemency that's it um there his sister says we're here because we believe in my brother we believe he's innocent of the crimes that he's convicted of. The whole crime scene, as well as the forensic report, does not support the baseball bats beating at all.

All the experts, the medical examiner's report, show it didn't ever happen. That's not true. His final thought was, if I don't have a reprieve, I'll be with Tricia and Shane. So he'll be with his kids, or with his son and his wife, who's gone now. In shame. Yeah, he'll be in shame. The letters to the clemency board talked about what a wonderful, hardworking person he was, and yeah, all this type of shit.

Tricia's family, though, on the other hand, sent letters calling him diabolical, a psychopath, a charmer, and a deceiver there you go so when looking for clemency he uh he writes a letter here um this is him right um no no this is the family there okay now sean and the clemency board votes four to one to deny him clemency good so. So March 15th, 2002, execution day, or 2012, I'm sorry, execution day. Sean writes a letter. He doesn't give a statement. He writes a letter. To whom it may concern, when my wife and best friend, Trisha Stemple, was killed, it devastated me.

That's how he starts it. So we don't need to finish it because I don't think you were devastated. It made my dick rock hard because it means I'd be hiding in more closets. Last meal, everybody. Hell yeah. Oh, baby. Last meal. Here it comes.

Drum roll. A large stuffed crust pizza with extra cheese, half pepperoni, half Canadian bacon, and a two-liter bottle of orange soda with ice like an eight-year-old's birthday party half and half who's he sharing this with un-fucking-believable yeah half and I want some of each I can't decide he eats that no last words um that's about that um her uh Deborah Ruddick Bird who is Trisha's sister, said, Today is not about Sean. Today is about justice, finality, and closure for my beautiful sister Trisha. Today we say it's finished.

So they do. They bury Trisha in the Memorial Park Cemetery in Tulsa is where she is. Now Terry Hunt, he's still out there. Oh, boy. Entered prison in 97, had his first parole hearing in 2014, and they told him to go back and fucking marinate for another 10 years or so. Think on it a bit. I think his next one is in 2024 because they can deny for like a 10-year period. He's still in jail.

Currently, I believe, at the Dick Connor Correctional Center in Osage County Oklahoma and that everyone is Jenks Oklahoma and a hell of a wild story what the shit holy shit balls if you like that story tell the world about it get on whatever app you're listening to and leave us five stars and tell us

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That's his one, yes. Definitely, I've never watched Brooklyn Nine-N he's the one. Yes. Definitely. I've never watched Brooklyn nine, nine for two seconds. I saw it. Um, I saw like on a plane for two seconds and I, I was hoping that we would lose cabin pressure and we couldn't watch it

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