Small Town Murder - #346 - The Bondage That Ties - Atchison, Kansas

Episode Date: December 24, 2022

This week, in Atchison, Kansas, Relationships intertwine like ropes, among three local people. Not only are their relationships like ropes, but ropes play a big part in these relationships. It seems that everyone in this town is into bondage, and can't wait to tell friends/family/co-workers about it. The problem comes when one of these folks is found, covered in leaves, and mud, with an intricate system of ropes, from feet, to wrists, to neck. Was it a callous act of violence, or a very horny accident??Along the way, we find out that you can be President of the United States for just a day, that bondage makes a great conversation starter, and that once you try to hide a dead body, it's hard to say the whole thing was an accident!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I don't know. I guess if it's in the middle of nowhere by itself, $10,000 is pretty small. That's bleak. Yeah. Median household income here, $41,283, so lower than the national average by a bit. And then median home price, though, only $92,900 here, so pretty affordable. History of this town oh man this is a this is fucking there's some weird stuff going on in this town here well in 1854 men from platte city

missouri crossed the missouri river and staked out a town and they named it for david rice atchison who was a missouri senator, I sure like our senator. We should name a town after him. Now, the senator. In another state, for Christ's sake. From somewhere else. The senator went on to serve as the, of course, Kansas was, well, they were fighting over, never mind. Acheson himself was the president of the United States for one day.

Oh, is that right? didn't know about that. Did you? Yeah. I never heard about him, right? No. One day, March 4th,

1849, Zachary Taylor refused to take the oath of office on a Sunday because it's the Lord's day. He said, so in honor of how that fell, uh, Atchison ended up having to be like the fill in guy for a day, like in case. So if war broke out that day,

I don't even, I, he must've been, or not couldn't have been, he's a Senator. So he was probably the, well, he was the president of the Senate.

Okay. I get it. Yeah, there you go. So, well, that would be the vice president. So I don't know how that would be.

Okay. Nevermind. Um, he's something during the great Mormon migration Westward, the, the city leaders persuaded the Mormons to make this their, all of them stopped in this town to resupply. So it made the business boom here because there was just wagon trains full of Mormons. Well, yeah, when you have eight wives back then, you've got a big family.

You've got to need a lot of provisions. So it's a good business. Clean them out of tampons probably yeah the and then the other well they're always pregnant i would assume back then we got to keep everyone pregnant so there's no cleaners around here it's the 1800s we're like oh we got farm work to do come on let's go pump them out so um this all the other towns around it then withered because nobody stopped there everybody just went to hatcheson um in 18 or 1958 they started calling it the city that refused to die because they rebuilt from two flash floods that basically destroyed the downtown area in the same

year in 1958 so rather than just giving up they just trudged on and called it the city that refused to die. Refused. This is best one, too, and they kept going. Kept going. So here's reviews of this town quickly. Five stars. This is this one. Charming, historic town with incredible homes.

The beautiful homes were built in the late 1800s as there were more millionaires per capita living here than anywhere else okay uh there are brick line streets uh streets atchison is famous for being the most haunted town in kansas there's actually the things to do is about that with all sorts of haunted events including the haunted history trolley tours great history from the lewis and clark expedition they passed by here uh to the home of Amelia Earhart, her grandparents. No shit. It's not her home. It's her grandparents' home, I believe. Atchison is set on rolling hills along the mighty Missouri River, where you can visit

the Riverfront Park and see the bridge to Missouri light up at night. Oh, boy. We came to visit five years ago, fell in love with Atchison, and made it our home two years later. The smaller San Francisco in the Midwest is a sheer delight calm dare you down calm down show me your golden gate bridge show me the ocean people show me the golden sunset over the bay and I'll talk to you but other than that show me a Ghirardelli's I don't give a fuck about anything else can i get a good lease can i get

a chapino that's good in this town i'm saying not probably so you got a wharf of any sort no no wharf you're wharfless god damn it here is uh three stars people can find jobs but they aren't good ones well that's not good uh two stars the homes that are old and most are unclean unclean dirty would be fun unclean sounds like a weird religious term like it's unclean it's unclean here she's been soiled but i don't like her. She's unclean. Here are one star, or is one star. The air is so gross from the factories in town, and the weather is always so muggy from the humidity. Well, that means humidity, so yeah. The cows are always so fat because of their bigness.

Like, what? Yeah. It's so bright because of their bigness like what yeah it's always so bright because of the sunshine you know because of the wow the lightness not even the sunshine the lightness of it it's always so bright because of the light yeah no one ever wants to go hang out hang outside or play in the grass it's not an outdoorsy atmosphere all right then eventually you outgrow playing in the grass i would say so let's do one more one star not much happens here i've lived here my whole life and all i've seen is lots of crime and people not caring about the community there are not many pleasant people in this town jesus there's not mine it's unclean there's not

much to do here and has no entertainment opportunities other than the local movie theater. Get out playing the grass. Well, it's too muggy. I 100% do not recommend this town. There is no reason at all to come here. Avoid at all costs. Okay. Well, that's honest anyway.

It's a nice community of angry folks. Angry. Pissed off people. Things to do in this town. The Sally House. It's supposed to be one of the most haunted houses in the country. Built in the mid-1800s. Dr. Charles Finney practiced medicine from the house using the bottom floor for surgery and examination.

And a bedroom as an office. And they lived upstairs. The family did. examination and a bedroom as an office and they lived upstairs the family did and so it's this weird haunted house that was has been like on the market and off the market for a few years so apparently there's a lot of paranormal activities there they call it the man-hating ghost apparently oh in the 90s it was on a paranormal investigations tv show called sightings which i don't remember at all and it was also on ghost adventures in 2015 so you can go visit that you have a real bitchy twitter account oh absolutely the man-hating ghost that's hilarious apparently some visitors

have claimed to have been scratched until they bled but only guys only men oh well yeah maybe she's just horny and it's on and it's on their back so you know what sir maybe you have some explaining to do why is your back all scratched up and nowhere else huh how's that work just high five you you did well sir you did you liked it sir are you banging a ghost are you banging a victorian ghost is that what's happening here i'd like you to admit that that's you know you cannot lead the town council anymore. I'm sorry. She smashed you back.

That's missionary, my friend. That's what I mean. Maybe she would have flipped her over. Well, she's from the 1800s. You don't want to get too adventurous with her. I don't know if she knows about all these moves that you're pulling. I don't think she can take it. Yeah.

She can't be like, doggy style. I think she'd be like, what now? Perhaps that's why she hates men, because they're not doing it like she wants them to. Maybe. Maybe. or not enough. Maybe this guy was laying down the hammer the way she wanted it laid. All the guys are scratched up. All scratched up. That said, let's talk about a murder not committed by a ghost.

Okay. Let's talk about a couple of people first off. Here we go. one steven dennis sexton yeah sexton he's the sexton yeah that's him uh sex right in his name there uh he's 31 years old back in 1992 when our story takes place in february of 82 uh he's born September 17th, 1960. He's a nurse, this guy. So yeah, Stephen Dennis Sexton, he's a nurse, and he's going out with on and off. Right now he's living

with this woman, but they've had an on and off relationship, mainly because she's married, so that's a problem. Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, whoever you're into, their spouse can get in the way of your relationship. That's a problem if they're married.

This is a filthy story from Jump. Oh, right from Jump. Yeah. She's 23. Trina Smith is her name, 23, also a nurse. They met at work. Now she works somewhere else, but they met at work. Yeah.

She previously worked at the Medical Lodge, where Sexton also worked as a nurse. Now she works at Mount St. Mount St. Scholastica Convent and in the infirmary. And she's a nurse there. Yeah. Trina is she has two young daughters from her marriage here. She grew up in where she gets. she grew up in atchison actually

went to grade school there attended atchison high school uh got her certified nursing assistant certificate from northwest area vocational technical school in atchison which is sounds like where they were giving the uh scholarship gift certificate away if you won miss american teen princess in uh drop dead gorgeous that's exactly what that sounds like where they were giving the scholarship gift certificate away if you won Miss American Teen Princess in Drop Dead Gorgeous. That's exactly what that sounds like, I think. Yeah, your scholarship is certainly a gift card here. Yeah, here you go. It's just a piece of paper with, like,

It's written down. It's written down. Yeah, it's somebody's handwriting. There's, like, cartoon characters on the actual thing. You're like, this doesn't seem real. But, no, she went went there she received her certificate uh she married thomas uh smith in thomas e smith on april 9th 1986 that's her husband at the time while she's going out with old stevie sexton over there um she has two daughters her daughter's names are China Dawn Smith. China Dawn Smith. And then listen to this.

How narcissistic do you have to be as a man to be Thomas Smith but be like, God damn it, she keeps spitting out girls. I'll just name one of them after me. Named her Tommy? The other daughter's name is Tommy Joe Smith. Tommy with an I. Tommy Joe Smith. Tommy with an I. Tommy Joe Smith. You narcissistic asshole.

Why would you do that? Oh, my God. Jesus. Tom Smith. Your parents didn't dig deep. No, this Tom Smith. You're like, I'll name her Tommy Joe. Like, oh, that's the poor girl.

I feel terrible, Tom. So the way this works out here, trina ends up clocking out of work at the convent working at the convent clocking out of work at the convent at 11 p.m on february 18th 1992 and she hops in the car with old stevie sexton yeah gonna give her a ride home gonna well maybe not a ride home but they're gonna give her a ride home? Well, maybe not a ride home, but they're going to give her a ride somewhere, or she's going to give him one, one of the two. Now, let's talk about their relationship, okay? Because it's, oh, man, have they had some. Is it steamy?

It's steamy, you could say. Is it volatile? Well, if it's steamy, it's usually volatile. That's the thing, after a while. So volatility causes steam a lot of the times. Steam causes volatility. It's kind of like when when the earth if there's like an earthquake and a plate cracks like steam comes out you know it's like a that's how it works there's a lot of shit built up in there yeah it's one of those deals yeah so trina's relationships are interesting

yeah for a number of reasons one of which is she's with Stevie Sexton tonight, possibly because her husband Thomas isn't around. Where is Thomas, you may ask? Well, Thomas is recovering in the hospital. He's been there for about 13 days after he set himself on fire. How did that happen? On purpose. It wasn't like working with chemicals and it went up in flames. He, on purpose, like a Buddhist monk protesting the Vietnam War.

Self-immolating. Set himself on fire, and now he's been in the hospital for two weeks dealing with that. Oh, my God. Like, whole body? Arm? Leg? He's in the hospital for, I know, at least for like a month. So he's got to have a lot of burns.

When you set yourself on fire, I assume you're really going after it because it wasn't an accident. But that's her. She picks winners, let's just say. Unreal. On August 25th, 1991, Trina was hospitalized for attempted suicide. Now, that wouldn't be that big of a deal here. I mean, it's a big deal for her, obviously, but I mean, in terms of the story, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, except that she didn't just try to hurt herself and then be like,

I tried to hurt myself. She at first claimed that Stevie Sexton injected her with drugs to help her commit suicide, which wasn't true. She said that at first. But she did inject drugs? Yeah. She later said, no, she injected herself and said that actually Stevie Sexton tried to stop her and actually called police and ambulance for help when he found out that she tried

to hurt herself. You can't do that. So she said he did it to me. What if you do die and this guy goes to prison forever? That's the point. You bitch. That's the point. This was because their relationship wasn't going well,

and this was her way of ensnaring him, I believe, anyway, of trying to keep him in. So there's obviously mental problems there. If somebody does that, clearly she needs some she's a party therapy at the least here so now her mother said that uh said that trina told her mother that that stevie had injected her with quote some stuff he obtained at nursing school some stuff uh and also her husband, Thomas Smith, will say later that that Trina told him also that Stevie had helped her try to commit suicide by giving her injections and stuff. OK, no, that's insane. So later on, he will say this, which is this is how screwed up he is.

You're thinking, wow wow she's got some problems nowhere near this guy's weirdness um he said that he didn't inject her um but he also didn't tell her how to do it but he said he wanted to help her he didn't but he wanted to he said quote i wanted to because i love her and i wanted to help ease her pain but i didn't help her what what the fuck is happening what is wrong with you two i want someone to come in like and mediate this situation and go you two get the fuck away from each other forever number one to help her be more comfortable even if it's killing herself yeah you therapy you therapy separate sides of the country. Nowhere near each other. No contact whatsoever.

No contact order. Restraining order goes both ways on this one. So at the same time, and this will come in, this is a big point of contention here. That's why we're bringing this up. They are super into bondage, okay? Okay. Sexual bondage. All sorts of shit we'll get into here. They are super into bondage, okay? Okay. Sexual bondage.

All sorts of shit we'll get into here. She, Trina, had discussed with her friends, family, and coworkers about her sexual relationship with the guy who she's having an affair with her husband with. Right. She's being very open with the Kinks, which fine that's fine you're married and at work maybe not maybe yeah i feel like hr is going to have something to say about that so rightfully so probably if you're like she doesn't do this for the fun of it she does it for the story which is a great person i mean you know what i mean yeah probably a little on the codependent side, but she's also a nurse and that's, you know.

Might go a little too far sometimes. Yeah. She also would tell anyone that would listen, friends, family, coworkers, all these people that she's having a really hard time choosing between old Stevie Sexton and her husband. She's like, I mean, this one ties me up and does all sorts of weird shit. But this one does this to me. And, you know, I kind of like that. He he he, you know, tried to help me commit suicide, but then he didn't.

So, you know, I don't know. It's it's a hard decision here. She said she loved Stevie Sexton. This is a quote from a co-worker. She loved Stevie Sexton because, quote, he was good at sex. Yeah, I mean. Good at sex, which is just so funny. When you say good at something, I don't know why.

Yeah, you can be good at sex but for some reason it's it just sounds so weird because it's an objective thing good at you know what i mean and sex is always no one no one on earth is really good at sex because you can't be good at it with everybody because everybody likes different shit so good at sex would be figuring out being able to tell what people are into and being able to adapt to that and anytime i hear that i just assume they are very enthusiastic i picture like a like a foreign guy going i'm good at sex come on you come with me you come we go out come on i pay i'm good at sex you come i have car no roof convertible they say beautiful you come. I have car, no roof, convertible, they say. Beautiful, you come. You come, and then you come.

Hair in wind? Hair in wind, then I fuck your face, okay? On beach, I fuck face on beach, romantic, no? Okay. That's what I picture, though, what I hear. Hair in wind, then my crotch hair in your face. Lots of, I tell you, lots of crotch hair. Oh, so much crotch hair.

Oh, it's a lot. It's so much. Oh, man. It's going to get you. It's going to be a night of hair. Oh, you're going to. Your hair or my hair. I have toothpick and glove compartment.

You're going to need. Trust me. You're going to have to pick lots of hair and teeth everywhere. Really choke. You're going to. All night. All night. You're going to.

Not good. good at sex she he's good at sex and better than she was used to with thomas smith the husband which maybe is why he set himself on fire because this guy's basically you're not as good at sex as this guy is. Oh, the worst news. Fuck. I mean, his name is Sexton, though, so, I mean, he really had an advantage from the start. He's Sexton. He's the sexman.

His name should be Sexman, not Sexton. She also said that because of his training, Sexton, that is, as a licensed practical nurse at his regular job, he also could provide for her and so could she. Together, they could make a decent income as a way for her children to have a stable life more than her husband, Thomas. So, you know, it's a thing. So there's financial stability, things like that. This is all. He fucks better and he's got more money. Between sex and money, I mean, there's not a lot. So there's financial stability, things like that. This is all. He fucks better and he's got more money. Between sex and money, I mean, there's not a lot left out there.

I mean, you got both covered. Normally, the guy with the money, you're like, I mean, he's got money, but he doesn't fuck me as well as the guy who I have to pay for his McDonald's. That's usually the problem. But this is an opposite problem. And he fucks me. It's interesting. Those are the two things that you want in life i mean in relation money are good yeah i mean like those are the biggest bonuses if all things are equal

trust respect all that stuff is equal yeah yeah yeah all that crap you know what it is jimmy just skipped over all that you know blah blah blah trust respect but when you get to sex and money that's what we're talking those are the bonus when you got those that's where i'm going priorities jimmy just laid out for you on a silver platter that's everything sex and there is trust respect sex that's it yeah but you left out two of those at first the big ones the ones that keep it together yeah you left out fucking the king and the queen there yeah sex and money are like the two reasons people kill each other. Yeah. What else do people kill?

You don't kill for respect. No. You don't kill for trust. You kill for fucking money and sex. You kill for sex and money. Anything you kill for, that is more important than something you wouldn't kill for. So therefore. Maybe I'm right in the first place.

Sex and money. Well, in society, yeah, absolutely you're right. It's about sex and money. Half of these weird things we talk about. It's crazy. So Sexton also would say that while they're dating, which is currently because they live together, but she's also still married, but he's in the hospital. You know how it goes. He would, the way he put it, she meaning Trino allowed herself to be bound with rope many times during sex.

Okay. He said during a nine month relationship, they engaged in bondage sex approximately 50 to 75 times. So plenty of, uh, plenty of, of kinky shit going on. So there was other sex too happening. I'm sure. Just only fuck bondage and you don't jump right into that probably so that had to take a couple months there he's like i'm gonna

tie your ass up and whatever the fuck went on here starts with a spank she said that before her involvement with sexton she had also engaged in bondage a few times with her husband thomas so apparently either she finds guys who are into tying chicks up or she likes to be tied up. One of the two. I'm not sure. Or a little of both. You know, that's a little column A,

a little column B. So her co-workers all say that Sexton and Trina would argue and fight and that Trina told them that Sexton would tie her up, handcuff her, hit her, and call her a whore, a bitch, and a slut while they had sex. And this was fine. Yeah.

It's a bit much, but how many girls have you been with that said, call me either a whore, a bitch, or a slut at some point during the sex? Call me one of those things. It's too much. Yeah. I understand where it's opening the curtain, but ask i'm just saying yeah they'll be like call me a whore and you're like okay i guess you want to be like too far i can't yeah it's a hard thing to do there but i like you know yeah like you know i don't know is that what you need like what do you need why does why does that make you come what happening? The way, the tone of voice you said that, I feel like you need that.

Is that what that is? That's like, if you don't, if I don't say it within the next 10 seconds, this isn't going to work right for you. I feel like there's a timing. Isn't that the clockwise motion? Is that what you need? Okay, well, whatever. All right, no more.

Take it. I mean, yeah. So she said that she did not, she wasn't really into being tied up, she told people. This is what she told other people, but then she did it with a couple of people. But if she was just kind of a go with the flow, kind of a sexual partner, that's what I mean. She said she allowed it because it turned Sexton on. And so she liked that it turned him on. That turned her on, she said.

The ropes and shit didn't turn her on, but she got turned on and he got turned on. And so she liked that it turned him on. That turned her on. She said the ropes and shit didn't turn around, but she got turned on and he got turned on. And she said that it just seemed to be part of sexual activity of what he did. So she was like, whatever, I'll jump in. OK, I'll do that stuff. Now, cops have been called several times to mediate disputes between Trina and Thomas Smith and Trina and Sexton, both of them. There's a common thing there. Yeah. Trina filed for divorce in December, a couple months ago, in December 91, but no action was taken by either party by this point.

So they just filed but then didn't do anything for a few months, which that happens. And Sexton and Tom Smith were also known to fight over trina they had been fighting each other so this is a giant triangle um one of the friends said it was said it was no secret that she was seeing both men like they both knew about it everybody knew about it it wasn't you know she didn't hide it or anything telling everybody yeah um june 1991 tom smith was charged with beating trina and uh and then when the responding officer came to intervene and arrest him because you know you can't beat your wife tom smith quote jesus cut him with a fillet knife so the cop cut the cop with yeah he cut the cop with a fillet knife. Cut the cop? Cut the cop with, yeah. He cut the cop with a fillet knife. So you can't do that, obviously.

Why is he out of jail to light himself on fire? Well, he pleaded guilty to both charges in December, but then withdrew the plea, so it delayed it more. So he was out on bond there, because that sounds like a guy you want to let out on bond. So on February 5th, Thomas Smith got into an argument with trina i'm sure she said well i'm he's better he's better at sex than you or something like that so his response was to set himself on fire that's what that was so that's why uh by the 18th by the time she gets off work and sexton picks her up from work he's in the hospital uh recovering from his burns there's not a stable person among

them no this whole thing's a fucking mess it's absolutely a mess on february 11th sexton had filed a report with police a week earlier from them hanging out now filed a report with police and trina was issued a summons charging her with breaking his car window. So a week, seven days earlier, they got into an argument and she broke his car window and he called the cops and she had to get, like, that's what's going on in this fucking relationships. This is while her husband's in the hospital for setting himself on fire

because this guy is, quote, more good at sex than him. So I don't even know. I wish I was there to see the, I mean, I don't want to see that. But I want to hear the argument that went before it. I want to know what he said right before he set himself on fire. I want to know the words where he's like, well, I'm setting myself on fire now. Or, you know, flame on or whatever the fuck he said. I don't know.

He had like a catchphrase. Take it back. Yeah. Did he have like a catchphrase take it back yeah did he have like a catchphrase that he planned out though you know he say something cool do you have like an his own hasta la vista baby is there anything yeah did he have that or life go up and smoke and he yeah flips the the zippo open real cool like pow and then just drops it with his eyes all wide and then stands there i don't know it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky and part comedy the stories we cover are well researched he claimed

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covering every angle and theory, walking through the forensic evidence, and interviewing those close to the case to try to discover what happened. And with over 450 episodes, there's a case for every true crime listener. Follow the Generation Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. Members of Thomas Smith's family said that they had not been going back and forth between the two men living arrangement wise for the last six months or so just one week she lives

with one one week she lives with the other so the whole thing's kind of been coming to a real head here Thomas Smith's I'm sorry Trina's father said that they always had arguments the two the married couple and that authorities had been called to arbitrate disputes between the two in the past. And they also had cops called to arbitrate disputes between Trina Smith – I'm sorry, Tom Smith and Steve Sexton.

So there's not a combination in this group that cops haven't been called to intervene with. Every pair is a bad pair. There's not a combination in this group that cops haven't been called to intervene with. Yeah. Every pair is a bad pair. Mixing all of them together, they all hate each other. Absolutely. So they should all, I think, live in one house together and just learn to deal with each other. That's a reality show. So February 18th, 1992, Trina clocks out of work at 11 p.m. and leaves with Steve Sexton. We're back to the beginning here.

So they leave. They drive off into the night. People see them leave. They all know. Everybody at work knows she left with him. And then, you know, whatever they do that night. And then the next day, next day comes along and two men are driving along a dirt road a few miles outside of Atchison. That's never a good start.

When two new people who we haven't talked about are introduced into the story as just drivers on a dirt road, you know something bad's about to happen. This is not good. It's not good. There should be a third person in the bed of the truck that slides the window open and goes we're about to find a body guys yeah hey everybody um they were just talking about people that had nothing to do with you and now you're in a car on a dirt road uh i think maybe oh shit there's an arm oh man there we go see i told you shit god damn it keep driving about to be real fucked up we ain't going hunting today like we thought we was. And they're driving, and they discover what appears to be, quote, a dead person, possibly a dead lady, lying in a wooded area about 20 yards over the bank of the road.

the road so they identify the the person here the body as a female approximately five foot two 200 pounds naked with leaves and mud on her body and feet okay like kind of covered up like you know but like just with some mud and leaves not like buried or anything started burying her and then was like this is hard someone like was like well i mean you wouldn't see her if you drove by shit now maybe you would i think someone did that like looks like she's wearing real tree camo tights i can't do this yeah well this isn't the weird part by the way uh it's a much weirder part here the leaves and earth around her body and up the embankment that that she is at the bottom of seems to have been disturbed like she'd been dragged down the hill. So you can see that this didn't happen here. She's been dragged here.

Now, the weird part is not the fact that there's a naked woman, you know, a naked dead woman sitting in. Did I mention she's dead? She's dead. Yeah. Otherwise, she probably would have had a quote from her. Like, hi, help, I'm buried in... She's probably getting up to go get clothes. I would assume so. Yeah.

So the weird part is she is elaborately bound with ropes and pantyhose. Oh. Yeah, she had a nylon rope tied at her wrists that went up her back and around her neck several times, then down to her ankles where it was tied around her ankles. Really? And then- Throat tied?

Yeah, except with the throat involved too. Yeah. And she had pantyhose wrapped around her neck under the ropes. Oh. So at first. The tension on the ropes was tight enough around the wrists, ankles, and neck that before they conducted the autopsysy the pathologist physically had to pull the ropes while an assistant cut them away oh jesus with the exception of an abrasion on

her forehead however there was no marks on her body indicating any struggle or resistance to this at all there was no like bruising where the ropes were, where someone would struggle against them. This looked like a voluntary situation based on the science. So the pathologist will say that the – and it's Trina. They say that she died of a ligature strangulation from the rope ligatures around the neck. They say, though, he's unable to state with certainty. The pathologist concluded the ligatures around the neck were tight say though he's unable to state with certainty the pathologist concluded the ligatures around the neck were tight enough to cause a complete cut off of air or near

cut off of air resulting in death within five minutes. So he further opined that if the strangulation was self-induced it would more likely be accidental than on purpose because we know in 1992 it was kind of a dirty secret that people

didn't know about but now we know plenty of people die doing shit sex shit to themselves it happens all the fucking time it's pretty rare that you do that out in the woods though that's the well it's pretty you can't dump yourself there afterwards that's the problem yeah so to go out there get naked tie yourself all up somehow cover yourself in mud and leaves and then die like that is probably as far you know she'd need help with that we'll say that's at that to get there to have to do all that to be able to come you've really you've really trudged through some some wild shit yeah you got to go back to basics, you know? I don't know. There's got to be a back to basics thing where you start over because...

Yeah, you need to try a non-vibrating dildo for a little while. Get back to a cucumber for a minute. Get back to a... A cucumber? A basic. Jesus Christ. A real manual. A basic? A cucumber's a basic jesus christ a real manual a basic a cucumber's a basic that's as basic as it gets

you sound like they hand it out to every 15 year old girl here you go have a here's your here's your weekly cucumber young lady it's like 69 cents that's as basic as it gets their grandma gives it to him here you go sweetie here's your weekly cucumber here's your very first dildo young there you are nope you'll figure out how to use it scuffles her hair around sends her on her way you know there you go wow so the bathroom take down your briefs you'll figure it out you'll figure it out oh my god that is gross so um the doctor goes on to say the pathologist if her legs were tied up and she straightened them out she would have lost consciousness and just the weight of her legs because of her obesity

may have been enough to keep tension on the rope oh just the her legs dropping would have pulled it enough to cut off her air supply. He's saying, oh, shit. He said that he during the during the autopsy, he observed. And this is a quote from give you medical quotes here. During the autopsy, the pathologist observed evidence of stretching and a small laceration of the victim's anal mucosa. That might be the grossest two words ever put together i mean i understand this is it's scientific and this is medical but holy shit i hope you weren't like eating chips and dip at that point because it's not good mucus is bad enough you throw an anal on the end of it and it's worse it makes you know before it jeez anything anal before it's gonna add a little

extra i was gonna say a little extra stank on it but that goes without saying right so they said he concluded that although the stretching jesus this is terrible this woman is this is awful but fuck the anal mucosa is just that's horrible we're only we're not doctors so that's just sounds gross the way she's tied she's tied so tight even if just struggling to try to get her legs out would choke her. Yeah, because she's got the rope tied from her ankles through her wrists around her neck. So if she moves her ankles, that's going to choke her. Oh, my God. It's one of those situations.

So which I guess would give you control unless you were unconscious and then it wouldn't anymore. So they said that although the stretching could be old, the tear was recent. They said further, although the cause of the tear could have been from anal intercourse, the pathologist could not confirm the amount of penetration involved. Again, pretty gross. Um, so the Atchison County Sheriff Dennis Parker, uh, said that Trina's body was found at 4 35 PM and they said she was strangled according to the medical evidence here, approximately 10 to 16 hours prior to that time. So that would be right about the window of if you got picked up at 11 o'clock at night at work, because we know that's, we know when that was.

And then time after that to it yeah so obviously her husband's in the hospital burned up so it definitely wasn't him so he's got a rock solid alibi rock solid steven on the other hand everyone knows he likes to tie her up and on top of that he was everyone knows that he picked her up from work so obviously he's the suspect so he gives on the day her body's discovered they go and chit chat him up a bit he gives two completely conflicting counts oh that's not good at all no that's bad uh he first stated that he picked up trina in his car after she got off of work went to her house and atchison quote made love got into an argument which seems like what they do uh-oh that this is

all checking out so far made love got into an argument and uh he left her spending the night at his new girlfriend's house who i'm sure wow uh let's always fucking someone else let's lasso he's got enough ropes let's lasso somebody else into this fucking relationship. It can be a disaster. Several hours later, he said that after picking her up at work, he makes another statement several hours later, and he goes, I want to change what I said. New story. Hold on.

New story. I forgot some things. I forgot everything and told you guys something that wasn't true. Sorry about that. The whole story is going to change. Oh, where they went, everything changes. he said that he picked her up from work then they went to the cemetery because oh my god oh no she knew that he always wanted to make it with her at the cemetery that's his quote oh that phrase he just wants to make it with her at the cemetery

we're gonna make it he tied her up cemetery. We're going to make it. He tied her up and they had sex in the backseat of the car while she was tied up. And at her invitation, he claims, he put pantyhose as a gag in her mouth. Okay. Okay. Now, he said that he tried to have anal sex with her but couldn't. He said that he didn't want to hurt her and he loved her so you know he backed it out of her ass so because he loves her so much that's nice what a gentleman yeah he's a real this guy's a gentleman caller he showed up with a corsage i think before this

sounds like old boy's bragging that he's got a huge rod yeah i think he's like, you got to find the right girl to be able to take this fucking piece of equipment down there. You know what I'm saying? I'd love to have anal sex with anybody, but I would fucking kill them. I can't. One girl's still in the hospital. It's just since 86. It's been a while. He said that after sex, she straightened her legs out the binding around her neck was so

tight he could not undo it and she wasn't cooperating with him he then started driving back to atchison with her tied up in the car still strangling herself and they crossed uh they crossed uh as they crossed over some area he heard a gurgle he said he then said he didn't remember putting the body where it was found that's a terrible story you just confessed to some really bad shit mr sexton and then said i don't remember putting the i don't remember fucking throwing the body away i don't remember staging it part that makes this really bad yeah because if it's an accident yeah then you go and say oh my god we're having kinky sex and this happened and then you let the courts decide whatever that is but when you dump some a body then cover it with mud and leaves that's that looks guilty that shows you didn't knew right

from wrong yeah that's like wrapping your three-year-old in duct tape and plastic and throwing them in a swamp and then going, well, I mean, I don't know. It's literally the same thing. I don't remember that part. It's fucking crazy. So then he started, he did all that. He said that later on he'll give a more detailed account. He's going to stick with this story. But later on, this is the one to go with because this one ties in her suicidalness because he says, well, she was she wouldn't let me free her.

She was like trying to strangle herself with her with her own. This was a choice she made. You know, she Aaron Hernandez herself here. Chris Benoit, Chris Benoit, the situation where Where I easily could have stopped this. Easily, easily. I couldn't get the ropes off. Well, try harder. How's that?

Also, that's a bad story from a guy who just said he didn't want to hurt her. You're allowing her to hurt her. And just driving with her. That's the other thing. You're worried about her, but you're going to let her. Think about how she's bound. This is all behind her. It's like hogtied. That's not a safe way to ride in a car no it's really not if he stops short

she is gonna slam up against the seat it's gonna fall in the middle of a console in her ribs this is terrible rope and twine does not a seat belt make no this is he's a nurse he knows what that gurgle is man yeah that's the other very well knows what that gurgle is, man. Yeah. That's the other thing. He's very well aware. So his more detailed account is he said that on the way to the cemetery, Trina had explained to him that she wanted to be tied up. Like, I want you to tie

me up in the cemetery. She wanted the ropes up around her neck like they had done before, and she wanted a gag also. This is what they were planning. He also says that the rope was loose enough so that she he could uh stick four fingers underneath at the victim's neck here is what he said at trina's neck and uh that the ropes under her wrists and ankles were not tight enough to cut off her circulation he again uh now he says later on he denies trying to have anal sex with her. Now he

says that didn't happen, even though he said he did before. I thought about it. I was like, oh, that looks worse. That just looks worse. He said he was, he was quote, unable to get stimulated for vaginal sex. So he couldn't get it up for vaginal sex and she couldn't apparently couldn't get it done with anal sex. So he asked if she wanted the ropes removed. And when she said no, he left her in the backseat of the car and left to use the bathroom. No. All right. And he just left. He said when he returned, she was all stretched out flat on the back seat on her stomach

so he was afraid something had happened to her you know lack of breathing and shit yeah there's a clue he tried to untie the knots and then immediately started driving to the hospital when he heard the trina make a sound quote like like trying to take a breath or something okay then now we're going to go into quotes he said i stopped and opened the back door got out and opened the back door he said that twice uh and check to see i was saying that wasn't me reading it twice he said that twice and check to see if maybe there was something i could still do for her. And when I opened the door, she just kind of rolled out of the car. Plop. Now what?

He says, as I was getting ready to put her back in the car, I seen some headlights. I hate when I seen some headlights. That's terrible. I seen it. He said, I seen some headlights. And I thought at that time of the night, it could only be a sheriff or something like that. I mean, nobody else drives obviously there's no other people in kansas but sheriffs uh he said and i got even more scared

and i thought well i'll just roll her over to the side and i'll come back around i'll come back around here in a few minutes and pick her back up and take her to the hospital what i just leave her i'll just push her off to the side of the road case the cops think it's me i can get me a little a whoopty whoop dance around with them they leave i'll come scoop her back up again take her on down for medical care but that's a again a terrible story not a good i'm gonna put you right over here i'll be right back look there's a cop coming you know the people that help in situations like this this is this is his best story this is his best story i don't want him to see this i know that the shame might be too much for either of us oh man i don't want to embarrass you sweetie that's what it is you're real naked and tied up you're indecent then he says and i as i was walking back to get in the car she rolled on down the hill she just rolled on

literally on down the hill which makes it sound so much more she just rolled on down the hill like she did it like god damn trina's always rolling down hills. God damn it. This is serious. We got shit to do. Rest her on her shoulder to her. Roll her down there. A little wind, a little breeze, and there she goes. Was Yakety Sax playing in the background? What's happening right now?

You know, what is going on? Folly. This is ridiculous. And I really panicked from there, he said. Well, yeah, I would say so. That's what you're going to do. So he gave these statements to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation agent and other law enforcement officers, then conducted a search of his apartment and car. But all those stories were within a day of each other.

That was just, yeah. Describes a real Ben Stiller scene. Absolutely. This is like, yeah. Guy can't catch a break. No. This is definitely like your girlfriend's dad's got you hooked up to a lie detector. You're like, wow.

He's got irritable bowel syndrome. Oh, man. They search his apartment they take photographs of his bedroom and from the front room of his residence as well as physical objects they confiscate over there okay now let's talk we'll talk about those objects in a minute here trina's family um said that they just now once this is all happening are learning about his violent temper. They said, quote, he had a violent nature. Guess he had it well hid. It doesn't seem like it. She told everyone she knew about it.

And the cops, the cops, it's well documented. It's public record. In police records. This is a total surprise. There were rumors of trouble between the two. But to do what he did is just unreal. They said she enjoyed elderly people working with them, working with elderly people.

She didn't enjoy, you know what I mean? She enjoyed cooking and needle craft as well. Her sister said she was a hugger. That's nice. That's good. They said that they'll never be able to forgive Sexton for what they think she did, quote, what they think he did. Throwing her on the side of the road like a used piece of meat is unforgivable.

Yeah, that's pretty. I agree. I agree. This, by the way, causes panic. The discovery of the body occurred nearly at the exact same time that authorities decided to characterize fire deaths of two brothers in town as a homicide as well, making three homicides in a week in a town of 10,000 people. So worried residents called both the police and sheriff's departments with reports of a fourth dead body then. So people started freaking out. It turns out there wasn't a fourth dead body, but they just people.

It was a panic. The sheriff said, quote, We've had 25 calls. It's ridiculous. People do not need to panic. I don't know how things get blown so out of proportion. Yeah, you do. You do, because that's a very wow. So the evidence, there's the photos here that he doesn't want in.

He doesn't want these admitted for his trial. He doesn't want these admitted for his trial. Photos are a photo of the left side of his bed showing a restraint device hooked under the mattress around the bed frame. Photo of the right side of the bed showing a restraint device secured to the leg of the headboard. A photo of a bundle of white cord on his bedroom floor. A photo of a pair of handcuffs hanging on the wall in his front room. This place sounds terrifying. This sounds terrifying, this place.

If all of that stuff is in a bag, they call that a rape kit. I was going to say, if Dahmer was alive, he'd be hearing this going, why didn't I think of that? Brilliant. That's what he'd be thinking. Jesus, this is like John Wayne Gacy's house. This is fucking insane. This is actually BTK's house, his dream house house this would be his bachelor pad btk's

dream house yeah btk's disneyland room as he goes off jesus christ now two notebooks that that are called captain's logs that are his like little diaries a dog choker chain with a padlock but no key removed from the floorboard of his car and a bible with markers removed from the uh trunk of his car as well the captain's logs here are two complete notebooks labeled captain's logs he these logs comprise more than 200 type pages of quote this is according to him according to sexton a combination of fantasy and diary prepared during a three-year period of time from 89 to 92 all of his weird sex shits in there yeah i would these would be the creepiest things in the world to read

uh the state argues that the logs are admissible since they were relevant in corroborating evidence and prohibitive with probative with respect to to sexton's sexual fantasies and relationships with women in general in addition the writings detail his plans or desires to control certain women and on occasion to kill specified women making their deaths appear to be suicides oh my god therefore these writings would be very relevant in a case where he's saying that he tied a woman up and she killed herself that way. So that's they said, yeah. So they allow the captain's logs. Also, the Bible with several markers in it recovered from his trunk. The state offers the Bible into evidence there. They object to the defense, says, Your Honor, I'm really trying to

be open minded about how this Bible fits in with bondage. And I think maybe that's stretching it. So I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to, I'm glad my client reads the Bible, but I'm going to have to object to the relevancy of it. Now, they admit the Bible, stating the Bible could be relevant just like erotic magazines could be relevant in some way. They said the passage from the Bible could be two in one sense, they said. So I don't know. They said the trial court, though, focused on the defendant marked in the Bible, two kings, 930, concerning Jezebel's violent death. And he claims the court did not determine the relevancy of the Bible or this passage. So they shouldn't have admitted the Bible.

Anyway, jury selection. I don't know shit about that. So I don't know. Jurors. I mean, you know what a Jezebel is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

From the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. We've got a woman. I just don't know. Having sex with two different men. I'm sure it's as a punishment. And if it's a biblical thing.

It's not like – I'm sure they're not anti that. It's probably like, no, you should have been nice to her and took her out to dinner. So the jurors were not asked about their moral attitudes regarding sexual bondage. They were asked whether they knew what sexual bondage was and whether they believed they could listen to the evidence fairly and consider the case without bias or prejudice. Jurors responded affirmatively, and they limited the questioning, though, of prospective jurors on the subject of sexual bonding. Now, at trial, the defense's theory was that the death resulted from either an intentional act by her. She did it on purpose or just an accident either way not his fault that's the main thing that we're trying to get across here not him

not the so uh not the guy whose name is almost sex tie he didn't do it so according to him the binding was not tight like we said he she She could have done this. And also the prosecution sought to establish that he had extensive experience with sexual bondage, which could kind of go either way for his guilt. Maybe he knew how to do it well, so who knows. The dog choker chain is a big deal. They say that they removed a dog choker chain from between the driver's seat and the door of his car right on the floorboard. seat in the door of his car right on the floorboard. The agent testified that when they were in Sexton's apartment, he saw no evidence that he had any dogs or cats or other pets. So the state offered the choker into evidence. The defense counsel objected and said, I'm trying to understand the relevancy there. The judge said, the court finds that your objection should be

overruled they admit it they said that i think the evidence that we that we've had concerning sexual bondage just could be evidence concerning that and it would be relevant but the defense council said i just haven't heard of any bondage regarding a dog choker chain well you haven't been around very long i don't think with bondage yeah that's I think that's probably, seems like a standard piece of equipment, you know what I mean, if you're into that sort of. Yeah, that comes with the starter kit. That seems like it would be in the starter kit. That's an easy one for chokage.

And, you know, you could pull on a thing. It would seem like that's what you'd be wanting to do. He said, so, I guess, maybe I'm being, maybe that's something new. No? I guess maybe I'm being, maybe that's something new. No, even if it's 92, I think they, whoever wanted to be choked probably went, there's a chain where you pull it and it gets tighter. The first fucking thought they had was probably dog choker chain. The invention of it was probably not for dogs. It was probably sexual.

It was to get some Victorian woman off. Maybe the woman from the Sally house. I'm not sure. It was to get her off i doubt that was first invented for dogs yeah probably not the judge said well i guess i don't know anything about bondage is what the judge said i assure you uh and i'll assure you but i would think all uh all that this all could be a part of it i don don't know. It could be relevant. Sexton testifies. He said that he was in shock after discovering she was died.

She died after she was tied up. He said he was driving to the hospital. He said he, you know, was driving. He heard her gasp for air. He went to help her. He stopped the car, but she fell out when he opened it. And then the same thing. I rolled her body to the side of the road and planned to return for her later. Terrible story. I care her body to the side of the road and planned to return for her later. Terrible story.

I care about her so much. I left her naked, tied up and unconscious on the side of the road for strangers to maybe do whatever with. Just because, you know, I care about her so much. I did not try to penetrate her anally because I care about her. I care about her. Out of about her out of love this is all love his ex-wife testifies that's not gonna be good she testified about her sexual bondage bondage experience with him during the marriage um he she was allowed to testify that she and he during their marriage engaged in sexual bondage 40 to 50 times.

And so there's that. They said that, yeah, and the prosecution was like, well, then he knew how to tie knots and shit. He would have known that she could kill herself or could die. This is his fault either way. So they, his ex-wife said they engaged in bondage all those times, but he, he did put things around her neck, but he never choked her. He said that she said that he quote demanded bondage and that she did it more or less willingly because she wanted to save the marriage. And at times when she objected,

he forcefully tied her up and then he often left her tied up while he did other things. Wow. So that's not great. But it was offered to corroborate the state's contention that one so experienced knew how to accomplish the act of sexual bondage without causing harm to the victim there, which I mean, yeah, but accidents happen at the same time. But this wasn't an accident.

They said the court said evidence has been admitted of other similar sexual bondage acts of the defendant. And they said this evidence may be considered solely for the purpose of proving the defendant's intent and or absence of accident and or corroborating the evidence concerning sexual bondage in this case. That's the instruction he gave the jury on it. So he never denied the acts. But still. Now, the verdict comes in with this jury. What do you do here? Because, I mean, yeah, guilty of second-degree murder is what he gets.

Second degree. Yeah, it's not premeditated, but you can't dump a naked, unconscious, tied-up woman on the side of the road, have her roll down a hill and go, I'll come back later. Even if you didn't mean the strangler to begin with, which I kind of think he did. I'm just saying. He may not have meant to strangle her, but I think he was looking over the seat while driving, saying things like, you're going to hurt yourself.

You're going to hurt yourself. I think he strangled her. I don't know. I think they got in a fight and he strangled her. I don't know. Maybe. It's hard to tell. Either way, you can't do this.

So sentencing comes around. You, sir, may fuck off 15 years to life. Okay. 15 to life. It's a tough stretch. It's second degree, so that's what you get. 94, he appeals. Two years later, they said that claiming that his former wife's testimony should not have been admitted because of marital privilege was his claim.

You're not married to her. Yep. It said, quote, the defendant cannot raise points on appeal which were not presented to the trial court. They said, well, yeah, you can't. You should have brought that up at trial there. And even if we were to consider his contention, the communications offered at trial were not confidential. The entire question has been the subject of a custody dispute on the record between him and his former wife over their daughter. This was all on court records that you could have got without her testimony is what they're saying.

So affirmed. Keep fucking off. 2019. Will he be on parole? That's his earliest parole dates. 2019. There they're saying, will they do it? They say that though they're having a whole thing, there's comment sessions that you get to have.

So basically the parole board and the state's going to hear from anybody who wants to tell how they feel about it, and then they're going to do the parole and weigh that. and weigh that there's several different locations where you can go and argue and say he's a piece of shit and you shouldn't let him out or you should let this guy out all over the place and all over topeka kansas city everywhere you can go now the law parole eligible inmates are required to receive a hearing but that doesn't mean that their eligibility is the same as parole suitability to determine suitability the kansas parole suitability. To determine suitability, the Kansas Parole Board considers 10 elements of criteria. Crime, prior criminal history, program participation, Jesus, a lot of alliteration here, disciplinary record, physical and mental health examination reports, comments received from the victim or victim's families, the public and criminal

justice officials, prison capacity, input from staff where he was housed, and proportionality to sentence guidelines and risk factors revealed by any risk assessment. So many variables. So many variables here. By the way, here is his list of disciplinary reports since January 96. This is 96 to 2019. Okay.

And I won't go through the years, but work performance, violation of published orders, violation of published orders, dangerous contraband, unauthorized dealing or trade, dangerous contraband, less dangerous contraband, less dangerous contraband, dangerous contraband, less dangerous contraband, tattoos and body markings, dangerous contraband, disobeying orders, less dangerous contraband. He's a terrible inmate. Disobeying orders happened right before the parole thing came up, by the way, too. That was the last one. And he is not paroled in 2019, but October 10th, 2022. Just happened. God damn it. I've had this on the, this is wild.

Parole, he is paroled in state oh shit this is a year after he was found with less dangerous contraband as well because 2021 yeah he yeah just got released he's out there so somewhere in kansas he's wandering around looking to tie somebody up because he's only fuck this guy's only 60 yeah i mean he's still horny so yeah careful the old man careful i don't know um by the way there's out there's so many ways oh so many ways so many ways for him to find women but at least maybe he'll find women who want to be tied up well he doesn't have to like kind of but still don't kill them jesus i hope he didn't i don't know what happened but uh there's a lot of steven sexton's though that could you could mix up with crime and sports we do mistaken identities but this is the most i've ever seen of somebody when

you look it up steven sexton i found he's a he's an author of books um steven section sexton's a financial advisor with edward jones steve sexton's in the texas horse racing hall of fame that's a weird i bet you never thought that was going to come out. Uh, Steve Sexton, a Canadian producer, musical director and conductor, and a guy,

uh, who is running for a state sentence Senate seat in the Republican primary for Alabama Senate district 22 as well. That's our guy. That's our guy. So there is Atchison, Kansas and some weird creepy shit that's the most we've ever talked about bondage in an episode i know that it's crazy too because you'd think that there's more of it happening in that commute because yeah they're

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