Small Town Murder - #35 - Dr. Frankenstein Has Lost Control, in LaPorte, Indiana

Episode Date: September 13, 2017

This week, we bring you an extra long, extra murderous episode, as a thank you to all of the listeners!! We look at the solid, middle class town of LaPorte, Indiana, where one man showed showed all the signs that he could someday be a budding serial killer, then started to follow through on his potenital.Along the way, we find out how expensive a bike ride can be, why it seems to be so easy to break out of jail, and what happens when society builds a monster, then tries to destroy him!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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tries and it always comes out. I love it. Without further ado, though, never mind all that because everybody left here, people that want to have fun, hear stories of murder and laugh a little bit. And let's do that. Shut up and make him murder. That's what I'm talking about. Let's do it.

Let's head to the Midwest, shall we? Speaking of excitement. Yeah. There's all kinds of it. This is an exciting place. We're going to La Porte, Indiana. Oh. Oh, boy. Oh, Midwest. All right. Yeah, there's all kinds of it. This is an exciting place. We're going to La Porte, Indiana. Oh. Oh, boy.

Is that the Midwest? Oh, Midwest. All right. Yeah, the Midwest. I was thinking. We're going to the Middle East. Jesus, I'm stupid. We're going to Oman this week.

I was picturing Louisiana because it sounded so French. La Porte, yeah, it's the door. I don't know why they named an Indiana state anything French. Well, they got French lick there, too. That's true. There's all kinds of French shit up there, I guess. Some sort of French connection with Indiana. I don't know if the French Canadians came down and hung out there.

It's right beneath the lake, so they might have. Maybe they sailed across and hung out there for a while. I don't know what the hell went on back in the day. Who knows? Somehow they got the fries. They got it. They got fries there. I know that.

That's as French as it gets there now, though. Yeah, I would imagine so. And there's plenty of fries in the Midwest, if you've seen the profile of any of these people from Silhouette. I've been through the Midwest. There are French fries, trust me. So La Porte, Indiana is on the northern border of the state. The county is on the northern border, right on the lake. It's like the northwestern part of the state.

It's an hour 20 minutes from Chicago. It's about 45 minutes outside of Gary, Indiana. So you're not too far from a pretty major metropolis here and that sort of thing. Where the Jackson 5 is from. That's right, Gary, Indiana. You got it, my man. This is a little bit 45 minutes east of there. It's in LaPorte County.

Zip code 46350. Area code 219. Watch out for the LaPorte County. Zip code 46350. Area code 219. Watch out for the LaPorters calling you. LaPorters. The LaPorters. That's what they call themselves. I don't know what they call themselves, but they should call themselves the LaPorters. But it's kind of

a little larger for a small town. It's a 12.38 square mile. So that's a little bit. We've been dealing with towns lately. The last one I think was.8. It was a 12.38 square mile, so that's a little bit. We've been dealing with towns lately. The last one, I think, was.8. Yeah, it was like a city block. Most of its land, over 11 miles of that is land. On their city website, this is the most...

Some of the towns don't have a slogan, and some of them in the beginning, I might have missed them or something like that. So out of our 34 previous episodes, we've done about 25 town slogans. This is the worst one of all. This is the one that made me go, oh, no. All of them are like, you know.

No creativity? No, it's just douchey. Okay. It's the city of douche is what it should be. That should be their logo. It's called, it just says, La Porte, the hub of awesome. What? The hub of awesome.

I doubt there's anything awesome there. That is. The hub of it, though. That is the worst slogan ever. That's where all awesome starts. It starts there's anything awesome there. The hub of it, though. That is the worst slogan ever. That's where all awesome starts. It starts there and branches out. They're in the middle of the country. All the awesome that's on the coast or anywhere else is spread out from La Porte, Indiana.

It is the door to awesome. That's what it stands for. The city of douche. La Porte's established pretty early for a Midwestern town. It's 1832 is kind of the settlement here. It was purchased. They built a sawmill in the first year. It's either a sawmill or religion.

That's what brings people to these towns super early. Sometimes a train. Sometimes a train comes through. Never ever oil. Never oil. Never, never. Usually there before we found oil, everything was settled there. That's why.

You're not thinking like that. That's what's oil. Only out west you might find some oil things, but anywhere else, not quite. The first settler actually built a permanent cabin that is pretty much right where the courthouse square is now. It's still there. It's still there. The courthouse is still there. Absolutely.

They built the courthouse in the late 1800s, which we'll get to, and it still stands today. They did major refurbishing on the whole thing, but they built it in 1892. Today, they did major refurbishing on the whole thing, but they built it in 1892. In 1833, they established a federal land office there in La Porte, which is where people would come from everywhere else. Register their boundaries? Register. Well, they'd just come in and they'd buy land from the government. This was like newly opened land back then for people to settle. So it was like the land rush.

You'd show up and you'd say, I put in a claim for some land. You'd buy some land from the government in Indiana. And it becomes La Porte. And then you ate French fries and you're very happy. 1836, they establish a newspaper. 1842, the La Porte Medical School is there, which actually one of the graduates of that medical school was William Mayo, who's the founder of the Mayo Clinic. Fantastic. That's interesting there. So they gave something.

That's the hub of something. Not awesome quite, but medicine maybe or something like that. It's somebody that gives a shit about people with tough diseases, man. Yeah, not bad. The Mayo Clinic's a great place for people. It's terrific. They do wonderful things for people everywhere. 1852, by that time, there's 5,000 people there already.

Holy shit. So that's a good honking town back in the 1850s. In the 1800s? That's great. 1850s, that's a good honking town back in the 1850s. In the 1800s? That's great. 1850s, that is a good-sized town. I mean, it was big cities and your little tiny towns, and that's a good one. I guess there's some sawmill jobs. You go there, why not?

Also, too, free land. Yeah. Or maybe not free, but cheap, I'm sure. With a little bit of awesome sprinkled on it, you're into it. Lots of awesome sprinkled on there. The hub of it. How could it not be everywhere? There's awesome on everybody uh also to uh first mayor was elected in 1852 so that's when they

really started going yeah uh they planted a ton of maple trees all right it became known as maple city after that which sounds like a really bad nickname for a basketball or something shitty in canada yeah yeah it's Or something shitty in Canada, yeah. That's like if the Toronto Raptors had like a really, you know, the guys were dunking everywhere and they were good, they'd be like, Maple City up in this motherfucker. That's what it would be right there. All these maple trees running around.

That's right. Dropping. Dropping some shit. With some sneakers attached to their roots. That's what I'm talking about. Also, for one more interesting historical fact, Laporte is known actually for a series of serial murders that took place here. What?

Belle Guinness, which was a woman who moved to the United States in 1881. She's looking for rich guys, basically. She would post notices in newspapers to try to attract wealthy men and that sort of thing. She'd get these men to come to her farmland and then they would disappear. Yeah, super weird, right? They got sucked up into the awesome vortex. How could you not? It's a hub.

You don't understand when you're walking into a hub? Jesus Christ. Come on, man. What they would do is she would kill these people, but not after he would get them to adopt her kids. Basically, it was how he would do it. Anyway, in the end, they found the remains of over 40 men and children on her property. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

She eventually burned down her own house to make it look like she died inside. But they eventually figured out the body inside wasn't hers. Yeah, because it had a dick on it. Yes, probably had a dick or it was like, you know, but they eventually figured out the body inside wasn't hers. Yeah, because it had a dick on it? Yes, probably had a dick, or it was like, you know, three foot three. It was tiny. She withdrew all of her money from her bank accounts, took off, and has never been tracked down. They never found out where she died.

Holy shit! She's just the black widow of Laporte. Sweet Pete. That's a crazy-ass story. My God. So this town has... And that's not what we're covering, guys. Not at all.

What the fuck? We're covering a worse person than that, if you can imagine. A way worse person than that. Not 40 people this person didn't kill, but I feel like the way it was done was worse than that. My goodness. So, yeah. So this town has a history of murder, but not recently. We'll get into that with some statistics here.

Population at this point, a bigger small town. Once again, 21,916 people in this town. So a good-sized small town. It's pushing the upward envelope of our small town. Small city, yeah. Yeah, I usually do about 25,000 is about my limit unless it's a smaller town. Unless it's like there's 29,000 but they're not near a major city at all. I'll make an exception for that.

This is almost a small city at 21,000. That's a good amount of people. Almost, but the feel of it is not at all like that. It's a very small town feel. You never know it was an hour 20 minutes from Chicago the way it is. It's a very small town. It's rural. There's a lot of woods and things like that.

Lots of dirt roads. Yeah. People live a nice rural kind of a lifestyle there, especially back when we're going to talk about in the early 80s. It might be a little different now. But median age in this town is right on target. It's less than a year away from our normal target. 37.4 is normal. This is 36.5.

Okay, 36 is where they're at. Not bad. Yeah, they're good. They're fine. Female male populations are pretty normal. Everything is pretty damn normal in this town. All your marrieds, your not marrieds, the widows, everything. This is small town USA. Gotcha.

Little flag and a parade. You bet. This is the place right here. The hub of awesome right here. Yeah. Folding chair on the 4th of July with a hot dog. Shriners throwing candy at your kids. Belly out. All that shit. Absolutely. Beer in your hand, waving, I'm sure, despising minorities. Right.

And speaking of that, let's get to the race of this whole place here. Race and religion, 84, basically 85% white. You bet. So pretty white. About what you'd expect for Indiana. I mean, Gary's actually very, very black. Yeah. But this is not Gary.

This is what I mean. You wouldn't know. This is away from everything. This is its own little pocket here. 0.20% Asian. So that is very low. Not is what I mean. You wouldn't know. This is away from everything. This is its own little pocket here. 0.20% Asian, so that is very low. Not even half a percentage, not even a quarter percentage. A little over 11% Hispanic, which is less than

the average, but still more than you'd expect for Indiana. But, you know, that's making up the difference here. Religion in this place, 36% of the people identify as religious, which is actually more or less than the average of about 49%. And less than I'd expect, honestly, for Indiana. That general area.

For the Midwest, I would really not expect them. That's just my ignorance. That's nothing to do with – That's my stupidity for sure. Yeah, just assuming. You figure the Midwest and the South is part of the Bible Belt. It's up by Chicago. It's the North Bible Belt.

It's the North Bible Belt. I've been by Chicago. It's the North Bible Belt. It's the North Bible Belt. I've been through Indiana. It seems pretty conservative to me. Mike Pence was their governor, so I mean, that seems conservative. You know what I mean? That's true. Jesus Christ, that guy looks like he runs an Eagle Scout troop somewhere. And may or may not touch the kids in it.

But let's get going here. 13.4% of the people are Catholic. That seems to be the main breadth of the people are Catholic. That seems to be the main breadth of the people are Catholic. Some are other Christians, that sort of thing, Methodist, all that, Lutheran. 0.30% are Jewish. So there's a couple people. A couple, that's not bad. 0.56% Islam.

That's fantastic. That's diversity for this show. I mean, Jesus Christ, we know. We're always saying, get some damn Jews in your your town what's wrong with you people come on as far as voting goes uh again this this town's a little different here 55 of the people are registered democrats in this town 42 republicans indiana can flip though because indiana went for obama in one of the elections it went democrat and then it went back to republican and then it went back to republican indiana flips but it's mainly a conservative state.

Mainly, they vote Republican. So that's actually a little more shocking. But it's closer to the city. Maybe that's part of it. I'm not sure. As far as the economy goes, pretty average here. This is your average, average town. Unemployment rate is right with the national average.

Household income, a little lower than normal, but it's okay in a place like this because things are a little cheaper. So it's okay. Household income here average is $37,225. And normal or average is $53,482. So $16,000 less. We look at the jobs here. It's a lot of blue-collar jobs, a lot of sales jobs, production, transportation, material moving, that sort of thing. But nothing really straying too far from the averages.

This is like your average town. If you can throw a dart and say, average town USA. I feel like Walt Disney made Main Street USA. And he was like, what's that La Porte, Indiana doing here? Anybody got a little sketch of that I can use? I don't know anything that Indiana exports other than super white basketball players that are really great at it. Yeah, they're good at that. And then they also export unbelievably talented at moonwalking black kids.

Outside of that, what does Indiana make? Corn? Do they make corn? I don't know. I don't think you make it. Do they grow it? Grain? Corn?

There's got to be some shit growing out there. I don't know what the fuck they do in Indiana. You know what, Indiana? Tell us what you do there. I'm not positive. I don't know what the fuck they do in Indiana. You know what, Indiana? Tell us what you do there. I'm sure that there's some sort of- What do you do? Like industrial shit. Yeah, I'm sure.

There's got to be. It has to be. I picture Indianapolis being super industrial. Yeah, Indianapolis is a city. It's an industrial city. It's got things. I just don't know what they make. I don't know what they make either.

I can't think of anything that's out of Indiana. No, I don't know if it's like Minneapolis, which has like corporate centers, if it's like that sort of thing. Right. I'm not sure exactly how it works here. Cost of living, actually, like we said, the income's a little bit lower. But when you look at cost of living, we say 100 is the average. That's par.

Right. So overall, cost of living's an 82, which is a little bit lower. But the housing here is very low. The housing's 47 out of 100. How about that? So you can afford some shit here, basically here. And if we've convinced you, knowing nothing about it and what they make there, what they do there, or anything for that matter at all about it,

LaPorte, Indiana, if we've convinced you to move there, we have the LaPorte, Indiana real estate report. This is my favorite part. For you right now. The average two-bedroom apartment there is about $760, which is about $400 less than the average, so not bad. The house is, though, very, very well-priced here, as we'll find out. Found a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,250-square-foot house, $134,000.

That's great. And it was nice. It wasn't a tear-down. It looked like they took the copper pipes out of the walls. It's like a nice house for $134,000. Ceiling fans aren't all sagging. Yeah, it's a decent house. I think the popcorn's off the ceiling, that sort of thing.

Four-bedroom, three-bath, 3,500-square-foot house. That's a big house. Yeah, there's a lot of house. That's a lot of house. $275,000. That's unbelievably affordable. Great price. And then a five-bedroom, four-bath, 5,200 square foot.

That's a mansion. You could rent that out to people that you don't even know and never see. You would never get to know them because they'd be over there. $389,000. That's unbelievable. That for less than $400,000 is insane. You could put up a wall halfway through that house, never see those people, and still make your mortgage. It'd be terrific.

Yeah, $389,000 is not bad for that at all. Really, you could rent out a couple of rooms and pay your mortgage and never have to make your mortgage. It'd be terrific. Yeah. 389 is not bad for that at all. Really. You could rent out a couple of rooms and pay your mortgage and never have to worry about it. It'd be fantastic. Things to do in La Porte, Indiana. They do have things to do. Exciting things to do.

Like you can go to the Heston Steam Museum. I'm sensing a sarcasm. That sounds exciting. Doesn't that sound exciting, Jimmy? Steampunk people from all around. Yeah, yeah. Rushing to this town. Oh, you know, they all dress up like assholes and goggles on and shit you know it you fucking stupid top hats and gloves yeah god damn

metal monocle on their shoulder pads and shit jesus christ sorry steampunk people you're douchebags you're fine you're fine in your own environment the moment you step out of that you look like an asshole yeah there's no thank you there's no in that, you look like an asshole. You look like an asshole. Yeah, there's no... Thank you. There's no in between there. You're like if a Ren Faire person walks away from the Ren Faire. Like, what are you doing? You look lost. Are you homeless like 300 years ago? What happened?

Or are you a time traveler? What the fuck? Yeah, what's going on here? Are you in a Monty Python movie? What are we doing? There is also the Red Barn Experience. What in the fuck is that? Which looks exactly like it is.

It's a red barn, and you go experience it. Okay. So knock yourself out there. Check out that red barn. exactly like it is. It's a red barn, and you go experience it. Okay. So knock yourself out there. Check out that red barn. Sounds like I can do that in a book. Either that, or this is what I mean, how this is, it's a bigger city, but it's a very small town. The other thing they're touting on the town website, huge, is the night bike ride.

Oh. They're into the- Bicycles? Night bike ride. The ride was rescheduled because of severe weather on July 21st, Jimmy, so that happens. The ride will take you on a—now, listen to this wording here and tell me if this sounds leisurely to you. The ride will take you on a leisurely 13-mile starlit bike ride through the city. No!

Leisurely. Why does it take 13 miles? 13 miles on your bike. What the fuck? Please, just a stroll. We're going to go down every fucking street in this town. Multiple times. It's a 12-point— to go down every fucking street in this town. Multiple times. It's a 12-point...

It's basically the square mileage of the town. You're going to cover every square mile of the town. We're going to go for a fucking marathon on a bike. No! Well, it does say, please note,

this is not capitalized a race. This is not a race. Nobody's going to be weaving in and out, knocking old people down. There's going to be Bill with his beer on the back in the middle of the pack. I'm not sure if that's allowed, Jimmy, because they're very strict.

Let me get into the rules. All participants must wear a helmet and have a headlight and taillight on their bike. Okay. No one's fucking around. Can I drag a trailer with my ice chest in it? I'm sure that's fine. It's Indiana. I think that's allowed.

Participants under the age of 10 must be accompanied and ride with an adult, either pulling behind or tandem and require their own registration. What? Very complicated to bring your kids. They got a registration? Register, you got to have a tandem bike. The cost is $20 per person, which includes T-shirts and snacks.

Sweet fuck. Register at the park office if you're interested in that. That's a lot of money to go ride your bike. It seems like it, around town. Are you going to provide the bike, you fuckers? Hey, how about I just go for a bike ride, and if I see you guys, I'll wave. How's that sound if i could do that shit for free i have my own t-shirt i'll bring from some fruit snacks from the house this is really not necessary i got a

granola bars in there is everybody out of t-shirts i need that night bike ride t-shirt jesus now crime let's get to the crime the thing we are interested in here uh property crime which you know robbery and that sort of thing here in here, property crime, which robbery and that sort of thing here, obviously what property crime is, it's pretty obvious, is almost twice the national average. They will steal your shit and report. Maybe that's why they need that T-shirt. All of their other T-shirts have been stolen.

So that's what it is. So almost twice the national average, which that's high. Violent crime, on the other hand, in this town is less than half the national average. Okay. So violent, they're not violent, but they'll just steal your shit. They'll steal it, and if they get caught, they'll walk away. Exactly. Seems like they have probably a few people on meth breaking into cars.

They'll drop your shit and run if they do. They'll take off. They shuffle. I get back on my bike. I was just doing the bike ride. I wasn't stealing shit. I swear. Wait, that's my bike, too.

What are you doing? What are you doing, asshole? So that's what they have going on there. It's a quiet, nice little town for the most part. It's nonviolent and that sort of thing. Now let's go back in time. Let's go back to January 29th, 1953. Okay.

Okay. Where a man named Frank R. Davis is born. Okay. Frank Roy Davis. He's born back then. He ends up in this area. He ends up in this area as a child. He has some problems that we're going to get into with his birth

and with some health issues that cause him to act out. He has no control over himself, basically. He acts out. He does a lot of things that are considered very strange and considered sort of dangerously strange, which honestly, we're talking about at the age of 14 right now. We're going to get into what he did real quick. This is 1967. So strange behavior in the Midwest in 1967 could pretty much be his hair was starting

to grow below his ear. You know what I mean? That could be anything for that. But I'm going to go ahead and take their word that they actually thought and knew what they were doing for what happens in the future. I feel like they did it. But they also might have caused what happened, as we'll get into here. He is 14 years old. He's placed in Beatty Hospital.

OK. This is sort of an institution where he can go for his problems and how he's been. So obviously a bad start if you're 14 going into an institution. He was placed in an adult ward at 14 in an adult ward with mental patients where he was sodomized. Oh, fuck. Not only by other inmates, adults, but also staff. Oh, Jesus. What he went through was really bad. There only by other inmates. Of course. Adults, but also staff, too. Oh, Jesus.

What he went through was really bad. There's documents to it. It happened. It's not good at all. It's a real thing. This isn't something he came up with later and made up. This is actually a documented thing. Is that a place that's closed down now and people go tour it during Halloween? It's got a different name, but it's still going.

It's still going. Still going. It's still going. It's got a different name. I'm sure they run things a little differently than they did then. I don't know if you guys have ever seen footage. There's tons of documentaries. The late 60s, early 70s, they really, really made a big deal, the media, of exposing these institutions

that would basically just throw a bunch of kids in a room and tie them to radiators and put them in straitjackets and not give them any treatment. And then just collect government checks. Yeah, and kids would be banging their heads against the wall. They'd do nothing. So that was a big deal. Geraldo, as useless as Geraldo is, he actually did a pretty good expose on one of them in about 1971. There's a documentary called Cropsey on Netflix that's about kids that had a closed-down institution in their neighborhood,

and that's the institution that he got closed down. It was a horrible, horrible place where horrible things happened. And I feel like this is the exact type of place that is. He was committed there for one year, Frank was. Oh, my God. A year of torture? Sodomized and abused the entire time. I mean, from the moment he got there for the entire year, he was just abused horribly.

So by 1971, he is in Union Mills, Indiana. He's had this horrible experience, obviously, behind him. Now, we don't know what his problems were before, but I guarantee you they're worse now. Guarantee you, whatever happened, that didn't solve it. You know what I mean? He didn't come out going, whew, all right, I feel good now. Let's join the Boy Scouts. That didn't happen.

Shaped that off. Yeah, that didn't happen at all. Tuck my butthole back in and walk on my life. Well, yeah, walk feel good now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's join the Boy Scouts. That didn't happen. Shake that off. Yeah, that didn't happen at all. Tuck my butthole back in and walk on my life. Well, yeah, walk this off here. Let me try to walk this off. And he tries to walk this off all the way to June 3, 1971, when a 13-year-old boy named Dwayne Bush is reported missing from his home in Union Hills, Indiana. They thought he was a runaway at first.

Apparently, this was a troubled kid, this Dwayne Bush. He had some problems with his parents and some problems with the juvenile court system and authorities and cops lately. So they thought he ran away. And they thought he was just running away. Like Alpha Dog. Yeah. And in 1971, too, it was a little different.

If a kid ran away, he might just be gone. Right. Like, oh, he ran away. I don't know. You can get a hold of him. I'll track him down on Facebook. Like, there's no, he's gone. Call his cell phone. Yeah. If he calls, great. ran away. I don't know. You can get a hold of him. I'll track him down on Facebook. Like, there's no, he's gone. Call his cell phone.

Yeah. If he calls, great. If not, I don't know what to do. We tell people to look for him. So they just thought he ran away and they thought he was off being a delinquent. Turns out that three months after that, a hunter finds his scattered remains of his skeleton in the woods five miles outside of town. Yeah.

He had been kidnapped, sodomized, and strangled. Jesus, they can figure that out from the remains? Yeah, well, they figured it out from something else later. But you can also figure out, yeah, because strangulation on some of the bones, it depends on what it is. Sometimes they can find that out. Some of the neck bones are broken. There's only one way to break those.

Exactly, some of those. But this is scattered. I mean, this is broken up and it's like Dahmer style. Jesus. Yeah, Dahmer would break them up when he was a kid and toss them. With a hammer. With a hammer, exactly. And spun around.

That's sick. Yeah, it spun around. Like a sprinkler. That's it. I feel like that's what this guy was doing. So scary. Just yay, bones. Like a sick fuck, man.

Ridiculous. That's the wrong usage of yay, you fuckers. Yeah, that is. Don't ever use it like that. When you're scattering the broken up skeletal remains of a teenage boy, please don't shout yay. No. Well, if you do, don't give us credit for it.

Don't like to go, hey, that whispin' sucks. I just yanked. Don't do it. Don't shout that in the wilderness. No. God, no. Shut up and give me murder. None of that.

Jesus Christ. Button it. No. Button. Don't wear your small town murder t-shirt either while you're doing that. It's going to look bad on the mugshot. Please don't. Actually, though, that would probably get us a good pub i might enjoy that so if you're gonna

murder someone anyway don't do it for us but if you're about to murder someone first of all don't right stop doing it don't do it right now but if you're doing any kind of trouble where there's a mug shot coming your small town murder t-shirt up do it up suit up i want to see especially if it's a crazy crime that's going to get national attention uh this poor boy here this this poor Dwayne Bush, I feel bad for laughing because this is horrible what happened to him. For some reason, I don't know why, and it's not true, but the farther back things happen, the less sensitive it feels. Even though it's not. Obviously, this is a poor young boy, and he had parents that this happened to, and it's horrible. The passing of 46 years doesn't make it any better.

But I feel like it's better than if it happened six years ago. I feel like it would – It's a little more closure. It's so strange. I feel like – It's so far from my life. It's so far removed from where I'm at. It's almost like it didn't happen because they were all driving like 40-foot long Dodge Darts and wearing butterfly collars and having all these – you know what I mean?

If you took a snapshot, that picture looks nothing like now. Cars had wings for shit's sake, not like wings. Rear fins, it's fucking weird. Elvis was alive. Yeah, that's bananas. That's so weird. Nixon was the president of the United States and we were in Vietnam. That's not

so weird. We were in the movie Platoon. It seems like it's another time even though it's not, obviously. But he was identified by dental charts because they couldn't identify him any other way, which is horrible about that. That's my favorite joke from Robert Schimmel. He says, if they identify you with dental records, they don't know who you are. How the fuck do they know who your dentist is? They know who your dentist is.

Yeah, I love that, too. That's fantastic. Anyhow, so they identified him with dental records. They identify him with dental records. Now, so obviously the whole area has terrorized now from this 13-year-old boy disappearing from his house and finding skeletal remains. It's not what you expect in rural Indiana. Of course. Right after this, shortly after this, Frank here, Frank Davis, our buddy, if we remember here, is convicted on a charge of burglary.

He is sentenced to a term of one to ten years in the state penitentiary for this. Nothing happens around there for a while. This seems steep for burglary. Well, yeah, but it's the 70s. Anywhere from one to 10, though. Anywhere from one to 10. That's the thing. And he ends up not doing much time at all because this is late 71.

He is convicted of this, And he's out before 74. So he does less than three years. I don't have the exact records because I try my hardest to find everything. But inmate release records from the early 70s in Indiana are really outside of my wheelhouse. I really don't know how to do that. So I tried my best, though. I promise you that. But, yeah, anyway, he is convicted.

He's back out. Less than three months after he's released, he and a friend of his hold up a grocery store to steal $40. I mean, he's got to get back on his feet. He's got to get back on it. Yeah, he's got a lot of stuff. He's got a lot of shit to catch up on. You know what I mean?

He's got tons of stuff going on. Three years of lost time. It happens, man. A lot of things to do. This is a busy man, Jimmy. He's got a lot of irons in the fire. So his one iron here is going to prison. That's his main iron in his main fire.

This is a 10-year sentence he receives at this point. Over $40. Over $40. So 10 years in prison. But it's your second offense, too. And literally the minute you got out of jail, you were doing it again. So clearly you have not learned your lesson. At least plotting it. you have not learned your lesson obviously uh so he gets that he escapes from prison in 1975 makes an escape a lot of these how many cases have we covered where the guy someone has escaped

from prison i can't believe it's that easy to escape we've had literally i think eight or ten escapes now in 35 episodes how easy is it to fucking escape from jail? Lock that shit up for Christ's sake. Why have a jail if you can't keep people in it? It's the whole fucking point. If they can just walk out the door, then why you lock? That's the whole point. At least put a lock on it and engage it.

There's no other point to prison. Otherwise, just let them out in the street and say, follow that guy and watch him. You stay behind this door now. You. You. You. He's quickly recaptured, though, thankfully. He gets paroled in 1982.

So he's back on the street in 82. But, again, don't think he quite learned his lesson. He's at the very end of 82. He's released from prison all this time. And, like we said, he was only out for less than three months, commits the robbery, right back in prison. So you would think this guy would want some freedom and want to not go to prison. I don't know. Maybe get a job.

You know, start trying to be a normal member of society, try to get an apartment, find a girlfriend. Normal shit that people do. Here's the thing that I just want to point out is that our system is so fucked that you get a guy that's been through a mental facility, clearly got mental problems, he goes to jail for robbery. He's in there for a couple of years. You got time to actually put him in through some courses and shit. He gets out. Obviously, what you guys did didn't fucking work because he's back in prison now for 10 years.

Now you have the chance to really – he has so much time to really be treated. They're not treating him. And now he's out in 83. And especially back then. Yeah. The treatment wasn't a huge deal. It's unbelievable. And now he's out in 83. And especially back then. Yeah. The treatment wasn't a huge deal. It's unbelievable. And now it isn't really even.

I mean, there's some prisons that there are and they have programs, but generally it's just housing. Our system is so fucked up. It's pretty fucked up. They put him back out on the street and you have to put him back out on the street. He stole $40. Right. So you can't keep him forever just going, clearly he's a scumbag.

Right. You got to give him another chance, but they gave him no tools to work with. Right. Not that it's their responsibility to give him tools to work with. But guess what? When he goes out and does something shitty, you didn't help. Whose fault is it now? Fault or not, it didn't help any.

It's one of those things. It may not be your fault, but you really didn't make it not happen at all. You didn't do anything to make it not your fault, too. That's the thing right there. At least make a fucking effort to keep us safe yeah you didn't try and that's that's the main issue point of the correction facility is the first word corrections yeah there's no correct the shit yeah that's not the way this worked back then and honestly even if they tried their hardest even if that prison had the best programs in the world i'm

not sure this guy is a candidate as we'll get into what he did i really don't think any amount of help would help this guy i think no i think he's I think he's got, this is deep-seated, and this goes back to many things. We'll talk about it as we go through it. You'll see what I mean. You know what I just thought of Indiana does do? They have fucking maximum securities there. They're one of the places that, in Terre Haute, right? Those are federal, though.

Right, right, right. But I mean, that's what they do do there. Supermaxes, yeah. They do fucking. Colorado. Right. Yeah, that's one of the places. Supermax, let's fucking figure out what you're doing in there.

You're putting those people through courses and classes and treatment. Yeah, that's the federal government, though, not the state government. You got a point. Which is a little better funded. Yeah, a lot better funded. I've seen a lot of prison, like inside prison documentaries. The federal prisons look nothing like the state prisons. No, they don't.

They look so clean. They look like they're actually a facility, like a government facility, rather than behind some guy's barn, which is what half of the fucking state prisons look like. They're total shitholes. Private funded horse shit. That's what it is, yeah. January, that's the other thing, too. Federal prisons aren't privatized. Right.

That's the other reason we have that. They got some fat cat living in Texas, not even in Indiana. No. Profiting off of those fuckers in those cells. Profiting off of this asshole getting out and then going right the fuck back. On January 10th, 1983,

when a 15 year old boy leaves a store in La Porte, Indiana. He'd been playing an arcade game in the store. 83, man, that's arcade central right there. Double Dragon, babe. He went out there with a pocket full of quarters ready to throw down.

So I don't think Double Dragon was out yet. No, I'm sure he was rocking Pac-Man. He was Hubert and Pac-Man or some shit. Galaga, some shit like that. Something, definitely. It's about 5 p.m. He takes his route home, which I guess is his normal route home.

I guess he goes to play video games a lot, which sounds like small-town Indiana, early 80s. He takes a route home through a cornfield. So he's, you know, he's playing his arcade game, going home through the cornfield. Small town, Midwestern life. That's America, and it seems so foreign to me. Yeah, I know. Me too.

To take a path through a fucking cornfield. Yeah, it does seem very foreign to me too. That's somebody else's property. Yeah, well, back in the day. You get yourself shot. They all know each other. Hey, it's a little guy who always comes through here. He's fine.

It's just a cornfield. Jesus. I don't know. As he walks through the field, he noticed that someone was following him. A man is following him. Yeah. This guy ended up running ahead of him, like running by the kid. Yeah.

And, you know, ending up at the end of the cornfield. Like, he ran by him like he was running, like, had nothing to do with the kid. Yeah. I'm running this way. The kid's like, oh, that guy's running. That's it. So he goes down there. He ends up at the end of the cornfield. He ran by him like he was running like it had nothing to do with the kid. I'm running this way. The kid's like, oh, that guy's running. That's it. So he goes down there. He ends up in the end of the cornfield. This kid gets close to the man by the end of the cornfield. I don't

think he was too worried about it, though, because it would have been like, well, he would have done something to me in the cornfield if he wanted to do something. He doesn't need to do it here. But as he gets closer to this man, oh, by the way, spoiler alert, this is Frank Davis. As he gets closer to this man, Frank Davis, Frank grabs him and pulls a gun on him. Oh, my God. Oh, by the way, spoiler alert, this is Frank Davis. As he gets closer to this man, Frank Davis, Frank grabs him and pulls a gun on him.

Oh, my God. Yeah, that's an escalation right there. That's a little more than stealing $40. He's escalating. He's up the penalty. But he's not really escalating because we'll find out 1971 happened, as we talked about with Dwayne Bush. What do you think did that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't the 13-year-old. No, that's weird, right? This is just stepping right back in, man.

Wasn't the cornfield running kid? No, no. You'd think it would. All his arcade games, he kills people and spreads their skeletal remains. That's what happens, man. He's a trespasser at minimum. You know it. Frank forces this poor kid into a wooded area.

He tells him to sit down, and he starts talking to him. Okay. This guy here, Frank, knew everything about this kid. Somehow he knew where he lived. He knew his sister's name. He knew his girlfriend's name. He knew everything about him, which is super weird if some

guy in a cornfield pulls a gun on you, drags you into the woods and tells you everything about yourself. You're going to be like, what the fuck? Do you work for the CIA? What's happening right now? The kid obviously asked Frank, how do you know all of this? And Frank told him, well, I just do, which is even creepier.

I would want an explanation. A little time goes by, and they're in the woods still, and Frank makes the boy move to another part of the woods. And in this other part of the woods, he ties a wire around the kid's neck. Again, terrible sign. One wires around his neck and wrapped around Frank's hands. So he can yank on it without hurting his hand, I guess, a little bit. He then, at this point, when he's got him like this, he's got control of him, obviously, because he's got a wire with his hand, so he can let loose and he can tighten up and he can basically make the kid do what he wants it's at this point that

frank this is horrible um uh this at this point he takes the boy's pants off yeah and performs oral sex on the boy jesus okay uh yeah and then he tells him uh he tells the boy frank tells the boy that he's going to take the wire off of his neck at this point, which makes the kid feel a little better. And then he instead pulls it tighter until the boy passes out. This is weird shit, by the way. I've never heard of a sex assault like that. Well, this is what I wanted to talk about for one second here. First of all, it's horrible to do anything to a – obviously, everything he just did is not recommended.

It's not recommended small-town murder behavior. We don't recommend any of that, and we're horrified by everything about that. But it's so strange. It's a weird thing. Have you ever seen Dope Sick Love? We've talked about this documentary. Such a great documentary. It's a great documentary about crackheads in the street. And in this, the guys who are crackheads, everybody's every crackhead in like in this documentary.

They're all a prostitute of some kind. They're all selling their ass in some way or another. But the guys, they don't sell themselves to get fucked by other guys. They pay to get a beat. It's so crazy to blow that. It's so weird. People call them up. They say, come over my house. And then they pay them and blow them. It's so crazy to blow them yeah it's so weird people call them up they say come over my house and then they pay them and blow them it's so crazy you walk away with money and a blow job

which is the strangest financial transaction i've ever fucking seen in my life right there that's which is like a dream for a guy if it's like a hot chick yeah that's like you don't go to the drive-thru mcdonald's and they go here's your food and here's 12 like the cost of it too you're like what is that like it's the weirdest shit there's a 20 for your food and here's $12. Like the cost of it, too. You're like, what is that? Like it's the weirdest shit. Here's a 20 for my food and here's $36 change. What? I get that this is a fetish thing and he's got the, I get that this has nothing to do with that, but it's.

It just lets you know where the psyche is. It's fucked up. Yeah, I tried to put it in maybe he's, that's his point. That's his, whoever these guys are that hire these crackheads to blow, I feel like that's where this guy is, except he's not hiring anybody. And guess what? He has a predilection for teenage boys because guess when he was abused? Right around this time when he was 14.

And we all know psychologically with this. And I feel terrible saying this, but it's statistically true. If you're molested as a child and not your fault, obviously, by any stretch of the imagination, we feel horrible for anybody. Jimmy, firsthand, you know this shit. And it's not even that you go one way or the other. It's like you go extreme one way or the other. Like you're super guarded and very careful.

Like when I had my daughter and my son. Some people become promiscuous. Some people become aggressive. I was very like weirded out, out holding them and kissing them in public. I was like, are people thinking that I'm going to try to fuck my own kid? That's the kind of things that go through your head. Yes. It's so shitty.

It's horrible. And it really is. And that's why this is extra tough because you know. You know for a fact. We don't know if this wouldn't have happened if that happened. But God damn it, it's a shitload less likely. Especially in a way of aggressively, the way it happened to him is the way he's doing it to others.

He may have been a homosexual man, and that's fine, but he's not choking out 13-year-olds and forcefully blowing them. That's fucked up. This is a different thing. This wasn't a sexuality. I feel like this was imprinted upon him. I don't feel like this is- This is not natural behavior by any stretch.

No, this is absolutely abnormal behavior to choke someone with a wire. I know some people like choking and shit like that, but at gunpoint in the woods, no, this is horrible. And the majority of those people like getting themselves choked. It's not that they like choking others. It's fucked up. It's way fucked up. So now this poor kid regains consciousness after this. He passes out.

He regains consciousness. Frank takes the wire off of his neck and then again takes him to a different part of the woods. Oh my God. So he's walking him around. He then at this point makes the boy lie down on his stomach. Sweet Pete. Which if I'm this kid, I don't know what I'm more scared of because I know he's got a gun.

Yeah. So this might be execution style. I've also been blacked out for a while. I don't know how long and I don't know what he went and found. I don't know what he's went and found, what he did, or he's already had, you know, he obviously has some sexual plans for me. This is another thing. This kid is more afraid of being shot, which is reasonable. He pleads with Frank not to shoot him.

They have a conversation. Frank says that if he lets him go, the kid's going to tell the police what happened. And the kid said he wouldn't tell anybody. He swears to God. You know, I swear, I swear I won't tell anybody. Just let me go. It's fine. I don't know you. We don't know each other. It's no worries. I don't even know your name, Frank. I don't even know your name, Frank R. Davis. So, yeah. But birth date, whatever, whatever, 53. Damn it, I forgot his birth date. I think it's July 29th, 53. Anyway, he then tells, Frank tells the boy that he will, he'll leave him, but he's going

to knock him unconscious first. Okay. He's going to, he's got to be unconscious when he walks away. God. He doesn't feel like he's going to chase him and point to him in the neighborhood, I assume. So he hits the boy in the back of the head with the gun. Yeah. And he pretends to be unconscious.

Good. Smartly. Yeah. Second, that thing, I don't care if he grazed you, you back of the head with the gun. Yeah. And he pretends to be unconscious. Good. Smartly. Yeah. Second, that thing, I don't care if he grays you. You go down like you're. Right. Like you're throwing a fight. Yeah.

You go down like Hulk Hogan right before he makes a comeback. You twitch. You fucking convulse. You fucking Hulk up. You do it right before the Hulk up when he's down and out, man. Nothing can bring him back. That's what you do. So while the boy is down, after he hits him with the back. That's what you do. While the boy is

down, after he hits him with the gun and he's pretending he's unconscious, Frank doesn't quite buy that, apparently, because he hits him with the gun eight or nine more times. Oh, Jesus. Just beating this poor kid with a gun in the head. This is horrific. Then he pushes them with his foot to see if he's moving.

Like, hey, is he going to move here? Is he faking? Yeah. He doesn't move. So Frank runs off. Yeah. This poor kid was conscious through all of this. He didn't get knocked out. He lays still for several minutes.

This kid's my fucking hero. He's a tough son of a bitch, this kid. 13 years old, he can take a beating like that and still talk. And he's got the wherewithal to try to think to get out of it he really is this is no he didn't need a bar mitzvah at 13 this is fine for him there's not that many jews in the name so he would have had a hard time finding one so i don't know but this is the worst way to be bar mitzvahed ever no this is the world's worst bar mitzvah right here worst nagila hava ever this is like worse than if they hired a clown for you this is way worse way

fucking worse. Holy fuck. So he gets up. This poor kid gets up. He's bleeding, obviously. Of course. He's been pummeled with a gun. He feels dizzy and lightheaded, obviously, because he's been pummeled.

Losing blood. And losing blood. But he's able to walk all the way to his house. My man. He gets to his house. His mother obviously freaks the shit out as any parent would. What the fuck happened to you? Takes him to the hospital. This young boy at the hospital says

he's never seen the man before, but the man told him his name was Frank. That's all he got out of him. His name was Frank. He couldn't even make up a fucking name, this guy. Bill. Todd. Make up a goddamn name, you idiot. I'm glad he didn't, but fucking moron. So much for my hero keeping his promise, though. Come on, kid.

Come on, kid. What are you doing? Jesus Christ. He swore to God for peace. He's a he's dishonest let's be realistic let's be honest i love this kid though poor kid i know man good kid and uh i didn't even want his name i love no his name wasn't really out there very much you i i did some digging and found it but it didn't look like he wanted it out there it looked like it was hidden in most places so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna bring it up i only his life of whatever he's living. Yeah, I try to only bring them up when they're out there a lot. Center of the trial, the star witness, and all that stuff is out there.

They're in the newspaper a lot, but if I have to dig it up in some court document or something, it's not in any of the newspapers. There's no need to do it. June 16th, 83, during the day, this is during the daytime, there's a teenage boy named Darren Reed. Yeah. He's a 15-year-old kid. He's at home with his relatives, and they're like outside hanging out in the neighborhood.

Frank is there, and Frank has a motorcycle, a dirt bike, whatever the hell it is. I think it's a dirt bike the way they describe what happens later here. And he lets the kids in the neighborhood use it. Really? He's like, hey, you guys want to go for a spin on my bike? Go ahead. So the kids are the neighborhood use it really he's like hey you guys want to go for a spin on my bike go ahead so the kids are like cool fuck i mean you're 15 kids letting you ride his dirt bike guys let me ride his dirt bike around what the hell right who cares so they're riding it around and he's not that old he's only 30 at this point yeah so

a 30 year old to a teenager that's that that's that cusp yeah that's like an estuary that area of like he's not like my dad right yeah he's like sort of young it's like an estuary, that area of like, he's not like my dad yet. He's like sort of young. It's like a cool older brother type of thing at that point. Or like a cousin who's like- It's almost on that creepy edge to where why are you hanging out with kids? Exactly. But if you're just in the neighborhood and he was there and he happened to have a dirt

bike, but to kids, it's not creepy. No. It's that estuary period. To 30-year-olds, it's like, what are you doing? But to a 15-year-old, it's like, that dude's 30. But if he was 40, you're like- That's fucking weird. That's that estuary period. To 30-year-olds, it's like, what the fuck are you doing? But to a 15-year-old, it's like, that dude's 30. But if he was 40, you're like, that's weird. You're in my dad's. This is creepy.

But 30 is like, oh, all right. He probably is. I don't know. Whatever. He could be a cousin, for fuck's sake. Yeah. He lets the kids ride the motorcycle. And then Frank and Darren make plans to meet up later in the evening to hang out, maybe

ride the motorcycle some more, whatever, that sort of thing. So about 10 o'clock, Frank hides by some railroad tracks where he thinks Darren's going to be coming out. So he hears Darren walk by, and Frank calls out to Darren, and he stops. Darren stops, and they talk, and Frank gives Darren a beer. They sit there, and they drink a beer right away. Then I'm creeped out from that immediately. And I give him a beer in public.

That's super weird. After a few minutes here, they're hanging out. They have a beer. Darren says, I have to go home now. So, you know, time's a wasting. Got to get going now. Burn some midnight oil. Yeah, it's past 10 o'clock.

And it's, you know, he's a teenage kid. His parents are going to wonder where he is. Wonder at 15, where the fuck am I? Yeah, he probably said I'm running down to get a video game or some shit. I don't know what. I'm going to get an Atari game. I'm going to get Defender from John Down the Street. You know what I mean?

I'm going to get Donkey Kong. And if I come home reeking of beer and motorcycle exhaust, mom's going to have some questions. Yeah, he drinks a beer. He wants to go home after a few minutes, but Frank threatens Darren with a knife. Oh, boy. He says, you can't go home. You He wants to go home after a few minutes. But Frank threatens Darren with a knife. Oh, boy. He says, you can't go home.

You're staying here. He gets a wire out. He likes having a wire. He ties the wire around his hands and neck. He does that trick with him. So if he moves his hands, he's choking himself. He takes Darren into some weeds beside the track. Oh, fuck.

Over here, again, we know how this is going. He performs oral sex on Darren again with the wire, so he couldn't even, poor Darren couldn't even defend himself because his hands were tied to a choke. If he tries to punch the guy out, get him off his dick, he's going to choke himself. Horrible, horrible, horrible.

If that's not enough, after that he ends up, he doesn't make the mistake he made the first time. He makes sure to choke this kid to death with his hands though, with his hands, which is much more personal than the wire even. It takes a while. It takes a while. You have to be a special kind of piece of shit to be able to strangle someone with your hands. You really do.

Shooting someone, stabbing someone, horrible, but I've been mad enough where I could definitely have shot somebody if I had the opportunity. And just a slight lapse of something. You guys have heard me fly off the handle. It could happen. That's why I don't have any guns or any weapons in my house. And not even that. If somebody picked up a weapon and I'm mad enough, fuck it. It's self-defense now.

Yeah. This is wow. Fuck, man. This is crazy. What he does here is then he carries Darren's body across a field and across a fence and leaves it in the weeds just to be found. So trash. Leaves it in the weeds. Horrible, man.

So this guy is on – and that's six months he's been out of prison, and he's already had two attacks. And one of them – he learned a lesson from the first one, and he made sure to escalate it to, oh, no, I have to make sure they're dead. That's how it works here. I can't just... Good God. Yeah. First, maybe he thought, maybe I can just force them to do this and then get away with it, and if I don't kill them, it's cool.

He might have actually thought that. That's the scary part. Now he knows that there's a witness out there that knows his name, too. Yeah, Frank. He knows his name is Frank, but that kid doesn't, unfortunately for him, they never connect that while this is going on. Yeah. Unfortunately for him, they never connect that while this is going on.

Hey, guys, just going to take a real quick break from the show to tell you about an upcoming show of ours that you might want to come see in Hollywood at the Hollywood Improv. What's the date on that, Jimmy? That is October 7th at 8 p.m. with Dan Cummins. We are Cummins soon. Do you feel like it? Oh, your pun. That was a terrible pun, but it's okay. Cummins. We are Cummins soon. Oh, your pun. That was a terrible pun,

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No one will be turned away from socialization. Hope to see you there, guys. And now back to the show. June 18, 1983. This is two days later after Darren was killed. Two days. They haven't even found Darren's body yet. He's still sitting there.

Two teenage boys, Jeff Lopez and Eric Fuller. He's going to go. What? They're going camping. They're camping out at a little camp area in the woods just south of La Porte. It's in town, basically, just south of town. There's some woods. They're going to camp out there.

How many times did you do shit like that when you were 15? I mean, I went camping. We used to go drive out. Yeah. We wouldn't really camp. We'd just light a fire, and kids would drink beer and smoke weed, and we'd talk all night. When I was 18 and 19, we'd go up to the lake and do that stuff. That's true.

I remember when I was like 15, we'd go find- 15, you would? Yeah, we'd go find woods but there'd be like bananas there'd be like eight of us and i'm telling you right now like i if anybody this guy would have been afraid of us i'm sure like he wouldn't have we wouldn't have been the oh there's some prey he would have been like those kids look dangerous like fuck man like we were insane kids smell like weed those kids smell like weed all of them have knives they're all fucking crazy uh that one's got like a prison tattoo he's only 16 like literally that was my friend so he wouldn't we would we would have seen this guy i'm like get the fuck out of here asshole

fuck you up and he would have ran away like because there was always those weird guys in the woods too there was a guy behind uh there was a strip mall and there was some little patch of woods behind it where we used to go and smoke weed when i was 16 or whatever and there was a strip mall and there was a little patch of woods behind it where we used to go and smoke weed when I was 16 or whatever and there was a fucking homeless guy that lived back there and he had a car that he lived that he'd be like sleeping in out in the parking lot and then you'd see him back there and he had this whole camp set up back there

and he was this old fucking guy and you'd have to when you went into the woods you'd make noise and shit because otherwise he'd be jerking off in the woods all the time so I've seen a 75 year old man sitting into the woods. You'd make noise and shit because otherwise he'd be jerking off in the woods all the time. So I've seen a 75-year-old man sitting in the woods, buck naked, just jerking off, sitting on a milk crate. Sweet Christ. Swear to God.

So there are creepy people in the fucking woods is what I'm getting at. The way to make jerking off and getting caught weirder is be sitting on a milk crate. That's so creepy. Where'd you even find a fucking milk crate, sir? Oh, by the way, and then don't stop when six teenagers walk by you. Don't stop at all. He wouldn't look at us, but he'd glance over,

see, make sure no one was attacking him, and he'd just keep going. And we'd be like, fucking weirdo. But he wasn't a threat. He was an old man. So we're like, fuck you, old man. God knows what he did to small kids back then or something. Who fucking knows? Squirrels or some shit. Could be anything. So anyway, these poor kids here, Jeff Lopez and Eric Fuller, they decide to go camping. They're both 15 years old.

Or I'm sorry, Jeff is 15. I think Eric is 14. They set up camps. They set up camp at Kingsbury Fish and Wildlife Park. It's a fish and wildlife. It's a park where you go to camp. It's between La Porte and Union Mills, which is where- Just down the road.

Just down the road. Where the fucking psychopath place is at. Where he's from, where they birthed him. Right. They take a tent. They take sleeping bags, cooking gear. They're going camping. And an axe with them, too.

Take an axe. You never know. A weapon. You might want to split some wood for fire. Who knows? They set their tent up, and then they go to collect firewood. So there you go. There's the axe.

They're walking along some railroad tracks looking for dry firewood, and they see a man sitting beside the tracks. This man is Frank. Frank's just hanging out. He just knows where to sit. But then again, too, in a small town, if you sit by the railroad tracks, eventually teenagers will walk by you. He's going to find a kid. That's where they walk. We used to walk the railroad tracks all the time, so that is what it is.

So they're looking for firewood. They see Frank. He's smoking a joint sitting there. So like I said, not an old man. He's not 80 years old jerking off. He's just a youngish looking guy sitting on the side of the railroad track smoking a joint. Cool guy. When you're 15, you're like, that guy's got weed.

Hey, look at that. So he asks if the two boys want any, guys want any of this? Yeah. And they said, fuck yeah, we want some of that. That's right. So they're camping. That's right. They sit down, hang out with him.

He tells them his name's Frank Davis. How you doing? I'm Frank Davis. They talk for a short time about how he knows how to grow marijuana. He tells them all about. And that's just that's bullshit that some older guy would tell kids like, yeah, I got a big grow operation. You grow tons of marriage. All of the kids are like, oh, my my god that's so cool like 15 year olds are

idiots like that i was the same way it would that would have impressed me at 15 i would have been like cool dude well how do you do that right now what what he does now is he says hey guys i got a motorcycle i got dirt bike you guys you guys want to ride it you're more than welcome to i'm just hanging out you know smoking a joint you guys can get on the motorcycles. They were like, shit, cool, man. Cool. So they got on the bike and they're riding it around. They said what a cool guy he was. They said he was just friendly.

They called him All Smiles. Just the nicest guy. They said his motorcycle got bogged down in the mud for a while and it was a pain to get out. And they said he didn't even mind. He was like, that's all right, guys. It happens. It's cool. I'm riding dirt bikes, man.

That's life. You trashed my shit. It's all right. Oh, my God. This guy's great. What a nice guy. He's giving us weed, he didn't even mind. He was like, that's all right, guys. It happens. It's cool. You're out riding dirt bikes, man. That's life. You trashed my shit. It's all right. Oh, my God. This guy's great. What a nice, giving us weed, letting us ride his bike. This is terrific. So they come later on. They break up or they break apart after that. We're going to go back to our campsite. See you later. And he's like, all right, guys. Have a good one, man. Take it off. Good. I'm sure he collected all the information of where they were, where they'd be, all that sort of thing. So later on, they're at their campsite.

Who comes pulling up on his motorcycle? But old Frank, he brings a few more joints with him. So now, shit, this is even better. We're camping. He's got some joints. Fuck, man, no parents around. This is cool shit. So they sit around.

They talk for like an hour and a half, chilling, just talking about shit, talking about weed and motorcycles and smoking more joints. And everything's fine. As it starts to get dark, this happens. As it starts to get dark, Frank's like, well, all right, guys, take it easy, man. Good seeing you. You guys have a fun night. And they're like, cool, man. We got to ride a motorcycle.

We got stoned for free a bunch of times. What a great dude. Hope we run into him again. See you later, Frank. Frank takes off. They sit around the campfire like nothing's happening. They're not worried about anything. So Jeff Lopez, he goes to sleep in the tent.

And Eric Fuller is sleeping in his sleeping bag outside the tent. There's some campers next to them. They're playing loud music. They're partying. So there's people around. They're not on the top of Everest here. There's definitely people. It's not desolate. Yeah, they're not on the top of Everest here. There's definitely people. It's nothing, whatever.

So Eric Fuller has trouble getting to sleep. He can't sleep, so he gets up. Because people try to sleep early when they're camping. If you're not used to that, that's not going to happen. It's miserable. He gets up, and he goes and sits on a picnic table for a while. And eventually, he's just saying, what the hell do I do? Eventually, he gets back down, and he actually goes to sleep.

This whole time that they didn't realize, Frank has been watching them. Oh, my God. Frank is watching their every move. He is off outside of the camp area watching him. He, in his own words, he says he was, quote, lurking around waiting. That's very important. That's going to come up a little later. And by the way, yes, we are going a little long this week as a thank you to you guys.

You've been so goddamn awesome with us. I'm into it. Let's going to come up a little later. And by the way, yes, we are going a little long this week as a thank you to you guys. You've been so goddamn awesome with us. I'm into it. Let's do this here. He's lurking around and waiting, as he says. He watches them go to sleep. He watches the partying people at the next campsite because he's got to wait for them. He can't go approach some kids with a bunch of people partying. So that all dies down.

They all go to sleep. So Frank approaches the campsite. He makes his way into the tent. He wakes up Lopez. He makes him, he has a knife when he wakes up Lopez. He takes him out of the tent and drags him, takes him down the tracks with him at knife point. Okay, so this is bad immediately. And this kid's got to be surprised.

He's sleeping. And he's separating the boys right now. Oh, well, yeah, you don't want to hear this guy this kid screams there's a whole party next door it's going to come over and probably beat the shit out of you i would imagine and drag you to the police station so uh he forces him there he then ties lopez up with a wire and again performs oral sex on him again he's got it he has a definite mo that he's doing here not an mo MO, but his definite way he's going about his things here. He then takes Lopez a little further down the tracks.

Again, he does this. That's one place. Now we've got to go to another place. He takes him down there a little further and finally decides to strangle him. So he strangles Lopez with wire, with the wire, at least he didn't do it with his bare hands this time, and drags his body off into the weeds. He kissed him while he was dead and then left him there. That's a detail he provided.

He kissed him and then left him there, okay? So now it's 3 a.m. Yeah. And he goes, Frank heads back to their campsite and wakes up Fuller. Oh, boy. Now, he wakes up Fuller saying that Lopez had been hurt while riding the motorcycle. He said, he got up and we were riding a motorcycle and he got hurt and he needs our help. Come on, man, hurry.

The things that these guys do when they wake them up, the stories that they come up with. It's just a quick, oh, my God, things happen. You've got to go now. And when you're half asleep, you're like, oh, shit, we're going. Where is he? Where is he? If someone woke you, if I came into your house and were like, Jimmy, your house is on fire. Let's go right now.

You wouldn't question me. You'd be like, oh, fuck. Let's go. You'd be out in the yard before. You'd be like, why am I standing out here? The house is on fire. Where are my kids? And by then I'm stabbing you after performing oral sex on fire. Let's go right now. You wouldn't question me. You'd be like, oh, fuck. You'd be out in the yard before. You'd be like, why am I standing out here? The house is on fire. Where are my kids? And by then I'm stabbing you after performing oral sex on you. So it's fucking horrible. You know?

Nobody wants that. That's what could happen. So anyway, he drags, he takes him away. Come on, let's go, let's go, let's go. They get a little further away from the campsite down by the railroad tracks, and now Frank whips his knife out.

He says, okay, Eric Fuller, you're going to lie down. He makes him lie down. He takes Fuller's axe from him, which is a, you know, let's take that weapon away from you, big guy. He ties Fuller's hands with a wire. Now he ties his hands up with a wire,

and Frank performs oral sex on him again. Makes him roll over on his stomach. Wish my wife had the job that he does. Jesus or the desire. Christ almighty. Well let's hope she doesn't strangle you with a wire in your sleep. He then hits Fuller on the head with the axe. He's got the axe

and all these guys they don't chop with the axe. All these axe killers they want to hit you with the blunt end which is like god it's even worse. Hits him don't chop with the axe. All these axe killers, they want to hit you with the blunt end, which is like, God, it's even worse. Hits him in the head with the axe four times. Jesus. Four times. The fuller loses consciousness after the first hit. He's out cold.

The next morning or Monday morning, there's some workers that find fuller crawling out of some brush toward the street out of the way, covered in blood, not knowing where he is, disoriented. He doesn't even remember any of that. He only remembers waking up in the hospital with four wounds on his head. He only remembers one blow. He said,

these blows to the head damage his peripheral vision and he has seizures, dizziness, headaches, nausea, and nightmares. Motherfucker. And difficulty walking for the foreseeable future. This isn't like this is going to go away in a week. No, this is brain damage and motor skill damage. And motor skills, and mentally he destroyed this poor kid.

I mean, destroyed this guy. But there is a bright side to this, if you can call it that. Eric Fuller does tell the police that the guy who did this, his name is Frank Davis. Uh-oh. Not just Frank. His name is fucking Frank Davis. Got a name. Here's what he looks like.

He's got a fucking motorcycle. They know all sorts of shit about this kid. They end up finding, at this point, too, they're looking around the woods, which while they look around the woods, they find Jeff Lopez's body in the weeds, like we said. That day, they arrest Davis because they know who the fuck he is. They find the murder weapon. They find the axe who belongs to Eric Fuller's father. It's his father's axe.

They find that at the campsite. So they got that out of that. I guess he dropped it back off there like they must have left it there. Tests on everything revealed no fingerprints, but didn't matter if there was fingerprints or not because Frank Davis makes a full confession to the deaths of Lopez, Reed, and Bush, the Dwayne Bush from 71. They got that. And two counts of attempted murder, too, with the victims who survived.

Everything I just described to you, he admits to all of it. He's just like, yeah, I did all that. All of it. What the fuck? All the details. What's his angle? He gave a, he admits to all of it. He's just like, yeah, I did all that. All of it. What the fuck? All the details. What's his angle? He gave a, I think he's just fucked. Plus, the other thing, too.

I don't know, and I'm not going to say for sure, but I can't imagine what the interrogation techniques were like in 1983 if they drug some dude into a place for sexually assaulting and murdering teenage boys in a small town. They rough him up a smidge. I have a feeling a phone book might have made its way into the room. I'm just saying that. Just possible. They might have worked this fucking guy over, and good. I'm not for doing that, but if you're doing this is the ultimate extreme. This is disgusting. If you kill an adult,

I don't want them to work you over with a phone book. I want the information to be fair. If you're tying up teenagers with wires and sexually assaulting them and killing them, I don't give a fuck what they do to you. You did it, motherfucker. You're incapacitating them entirely and then just torturing them. That's fucking horrific. And told them your name and then the kid remembers

your name and then says, yeah, that's the asshole. Guess what? I don't care what happens to you at that point. Don't give a shit. Go fuck yourself. So, yeah, he admits to everything. They introduce that as evidence, obviously, his statement into court. On July 13th, they charge Davis with 10 criminal counts and they say they're going to ask for the death penalty. Good.

Good. This is a good one. Yeah, this is one of these where we're like, good. We don't feel bad. Frank Davis initially plans an insanity defense based on all of this here. Now, the pretrial, we'll get into where he gets his insanity from. In addition to being horribly abused at that institution, there's a reason why he was in the institution which we'll get to davis's lead attorney here george hoffer has just two years experience which is not what you want in a trial lawyer

death penalty trial yeah he has worked as both a deputy prosecutor and a public defender but he has like no experience with jury trials, zero capital cases. Perfect. He is aided by an experienced co-counsel, but he's the guy talking, so it doesn't fucking matter. That guy can help you with your briefs and shit, but when you get up in front of the jury, if you're going, it doesn't matter. You're blowing it for your client, which is good in this case.

I hope they give him the- Wasn't that in my cousin Vitti when he did that? The guy came up and just stuttered through the whole thing? Yeah, yeah. The initial defense attorney. He was very measured behind the scenes and telling them what's going to happen. He got up there and he's like. Just fucking clammed up.

And they're just like, holy shit. That's what I mean. It doesn't matter who you have helping you with that. You're the guy who has to talk. So there's Humphrey and Hofer. Hofer's the main lawyer. Humphrey is the assisting lawyer. Humphrey even helped assist it with

the jury selection because he's handled several capital cases. So he's doing that. His lawyer, the inexperienced one, Hofer, actually is smart enough to know that he argues that there's an aggravator because in the death penalty that there's murder and there's an aggravator that makes it death penalty

worthy. And the aggravator of lying in wait in this case. There's child molesting, and there's lying in wait. There's two aggravators here. The lying in wait is, you know, lying in wait, waiting for this kid. The lurking part. Lurking. Thank you.

And that becomes a huge—the definition of the word while becomes a huge legal argument. Really? The definition of the word—you think the definition of the word it with the whole Clinton-Lewinsky thing, this is the definition of the word while. In court documents, there are five paragraphs dedicated to the dictionary definition of the word while and how it's interpreted in all its different ways.

And I've been reading this shit for days. What letter word? What the fuck do you people want? My head hurts. I've been reading this for fucking days. It's driving me crazy. How many ways can you interpret while? It's fucking going on while something else is going on? You get an attorney in a capital case and probably they'll figure out a way here. He'll make while mean dick. Yeah, that's the truth.

So he argue he knows enough to argue about that. The lying in wait part. I can't really argue with the child molestation part. That's kind of on there. Child. You blew him. You blew him. That's it. That's a forcefully blew the kid. Sorry.'t really argue with the child molestation part. That's kind of on there. It's a child. You blew him. You blew him. That's it. That's a forcefully blew the kid. Sorry. Well, he's a child, so anything he did is forceful. Now, they had a suppression hearing at this. They do not try to

get his, they do not try very hard to get his statement thrown out to the police, his confession. What they do do, they try to throw out a search of his room and his house. The police came and searched his house. And he's saying that basically a family member told the police that they were going to search the entire house anyway. So whatever. And just gave the police consent to search everything in the house, not just Frank's room. His consent. Yeah.

So the consent by the family members, even without the search warrant, makes the search perfectly legal. You can't. Once you say, sure, come on in. Well, then you just gave up your right. You waived it. So that doesn't work. And the search stays in. I'm not sure exactly what they found, but I think it was small things.

That shit's not really in the evidence of this. Frank's assertion is that the police applied undue duress to his family to obtain permission to search the house, which there's no evidence of that. And honestly, I don't really give a shit anyway at this point. Now, the main argument here, the main thing he's arguing here is that he'll argue this later on. He really, really wants his brain injury to come up, his childbirth brain injury. Apparently, he had during childbirth, he had a very severe brain injury during childbirth. I think it was a forceps thing trying to yank him out. And he had damage to a frontal lobe that was pretty significant.

Significant enough where they said, like, he might not be right, basically. Like, here you go. Here's your baby, bud. Walk it off. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see how that one comes out. No warranty, as is. It's yours. It's like a cake that they didn't have quite enough flour in the recipe. And they're like, we'll see if it rises, I don't know. We'll see how that one comes out. No warranty, as is. It's yours.

It's like a cake that they didn't have quite enough flour in the recipe. And they're like, we'll see if it rises. I don't know. I'm not fucking sure. We'll see what happens. It might be lumpy. It happens. It might be crooked.

I'm not sure. It's one of those right there. So that is the behavior that he exhibited to get put in the hospital to begin with is from this brain injury. This guy never had a chance. No. We will say that. Yeah, yeah.

But that's not a bunch of teenagers problems who want to go camping and not be murdered. It doesn't justify forcefully blowing children. Exactly. So the counsel here, Hofer, makes a huge effort to prepare the insanity defense. He's ready to proceed with this insanity defense. They said, and in Davis' words, 30 seconds before the trial is the way he said he elected to abandon the defense and just plead guilty. Wow. So he's going to abandon everything.

He's like, you guys, this is really shaping up to be a shit trial. Yeah. Well, what he didn't want is if you bring in, if you do the insanity defense and you're bringing in all his medical records and everything else, then also everything from his past comes up. Everything. And this is shit we don't know about. Who knows if he was doing shit to kids in school back then. We don't know any of that because it's sealed records from the 60s in Indiana.

But if you were doing a murder trial and it would all be subpoenaed and it would all come out. So he said, this might make me walk even worse if they know that. They may kill me twice. Absolutely. The trial strategy, that's the decision legally that rests with the council and obviously the defendant. Sure.

But it rests with the council and this isn't something, tactics aren't something that can be judged from the outside. Okay. Like you can say an effective assistance of council for certain things, but not tactics. No. That's something that that's, hey, they tried. That's the way it goes. Yeah.

That's the fucking war path you chose. Yeah. In football, you can be mad at the coach for pulling the quarterback out and putting the shitty quarterback in, but you can't be mad at him for trying to pass to this guy instead of that guy. He was going for that. That's who we thought was going to be open. I mean, what are you going to do here?

And if it worked, he's a genius. And if he doesn't, then he's an asshole. Exactly. So take your pick. Psychiatric examinations beforehand find Davis competent to stand trial. So he's going to stand trial. And even his attorney's helper here, Humphrey, thought Davis was competent. Now, they they they dropped the insanity defense right before the trial. Like we said here, with all this evidence, with the psychiatric evaluations and everything else,

it's pretty reasonable to drop the insanity defense at this point and go for something else. But there isn't a whole lot of anything else to go for, really, other than and he doesn't help. That's the thing. It comes up later that Hoffer said that any time he would ask Davis to help out, he'd ask him questions that would serve his own cause. ask Davis to help out. He'd ask him questions that would serve his own cause. Davis would say things like, well, you find out. Or he would tell him, quote, you get the answer.

Or, quote, that's your job. Like, it's your fucking life. When this is over, I'm going home. Either way, I'm going to go home and hang out with my wife and kids. Guess who doesn't live behind bars? I don't give a... They're not trying to fucking put me in the gas chamber. Understand? Like, I am going to go home no matter what happens.

Your life depends on what I say. to go home no matter what happens. Your life depends on what I say. So this is kind of your job. This is all you here. So January 13th, 84, is the trial, the beginning of the trial. Now, as the trial starts and they start everything, they say, nope, we're going to plead guilty, never mind. So they call it off.

And we've seen this a few times. It's like, I don't know if they're bluffing for a deal. Right. And they get up to it and they're like, okay, never mind. They start thinking about like what the prosecution's going to say. And they're like, we really don't have much. Let's just fucking take whatever they got. We blinked.

It's a game of chicken and they blink. So he pleads guilty to attempted murder, murder, two counts of murder, basically two counts of attempted murder and two counts of murder. They break it down to the basic. They cut out what they don't, what they are going to drop at sentencing once it's all the deal is in place. They will drop the child molestation charges. There's multiple of those.

Felony murders, more child molestation, unlawful deviant conduct, all sorts of shit like that that they fluff it up with. I hate that they do this. It's stupid. I really don't like what they're doing. They keep those. They drop those just to streamline the whole thing and make it easier for everybody to deal with.

But as part of the deal, the state does not, they do not agree to not seek the death penalty. They say, we're going to drop half the charges, but we're going to seek the death penalty on the two you fucking have. Because we think they're good enough, basically. I think it's one of those. So obviously he's convicted because he pleads guilty. Post-conviction, when we're doing the sentencing, his lawyer admits during the post-conviction hearing that he was overwhelmed by the case.

He said, quote, overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed by it and I have nothing to do with this shit. That's what I'm saying. But he even said, it's not even from the case. It's not like I couldn't handle the paperwork. He said my anxiety comes from Davis not cooperating at all. He said he did nothing. He said he didn't help in his own defense.

It had nothing to do with the legal shit. It was just I have an asshole as a client. It's like trying to get a toddler to tie their shoes and get out the fucking door. If they say no, you can't make their little arms do it. It's just the way it is, man. No. No. Shit.

All right. No, then, I guess. Then we aren't leaving. Fuck it. So, yes. Good luck. Wait for your mom to get home. That's it.

That's all you can do. So they have a hearing for pre-sentencing where everybody introduces evidence. Yeah. for pre-sentencing where they, you know, introduce, everybody introduces evidence. Yeah. At the hearing, these children, the survivor, the surviving kids identify him in court, which looks terrible. Yeah.

That thing he did to everybody else, he did that to me, too. Same thing. Didn't quite kill me. Mine is a death. Told me his name. Right. So, yeah, that's a problem. And that's the guy. So, yeah, the court decides when it's final, all said and done here, they impose a death sentence on the two murderers.

He's sentenced to death and consecutive terms of 50 years each on the two counts of attempted murder. So in case that death doesn't catch, doesn't stick, you're still going to be in jail for 100 years after you're already dead. When they were reading to him, because when they tell the defendant this, they also tell him of his right to appeal and his right to all this shit. Davis in court replies, I'm not going to appeal. He's like, I don't give a shit. I'm not going to appeal. He said at this point, he said he's not going to appeal his death sentence. He's ready for the electric chair right fucking now.

Strap my ass in. He wants the chair. Chair me up, bitches. I am ready to go. His attorney said, quote, he's a tormented person. You look at what he's done in his life and you ask yourself, why live? He's indicated his victims will...

That's fair. I don't want that guy as my lawyer ever. No, but I would like to have a beer with him and hang out with him because he's an honest motherfucker. He said, why live? Quote, he's indicated his victims will feel better if he's dead. His parents will at least be able to say, alright, it's over. Let's carry on. All true.

All true, by the way. I don't disagree. Everyone, let's all have a party marching this guy to the electric chair. That parade with the Shriners throwing candy and the fat guy in the lawn chair on the side. March past him. Throw candy from the death chamber. Let's do a 13 mile bike ride with that fucker. Fucking A.

Just drag him behind the bikes. I hate this son of a bitch. Some of these guys are women. I'm like, oh, but this and that. Like last week, I'm like to bike ride with that fucker. Fucking A. Just drag him behind the bikes. I hate this son of a bitch. Some of these guys are women. I'm like, oh, but this and that. Like last week, I'm like, this poor woman. I wanted her to be free. I felt bad for her. This one, I don't give a fuck about that. I want this guy.

Bad things to happen to him here. On his direct appeal, which he has to do. It's an automatic appeal, whether he wants to or not. He can say, I don't care. He raises, or his team raises six issues here. He raises or his team raises six issues here. Basically, there's some statutory shit with the aggravating circumstances like we talked about, the two aggravating circumstances. He's going to argue the one, the lying in wait one.

There was a – whether it was a reversible error for the trial court to find evidence that supported finding both murders were committed while committing the underlying felony of child molestation when the actual act of molestation had been completed prior to the killings. So he's saying, look, molestation wasn't part of the killings because I molested him then I killed him. I didn't molest him while I killed him. No. What the fuck? And that's the while thing we're talking about. Okay.

That's literally what he argues. It's while. I didn't kill him and molest him at the same time. That would be silly. I couldn't reach his throat with my mouth on his cock. How could I? That would be ridiculous. Duh.

Jesus Christ. Jesus fucking. We've all been molesting a kid and figuring out, can I kill him now or do I have to wait until I'm done here? Everyone's been in that position. Holy shit. You're too tall. I can't reach your throat.

Fucking asshole this guy is, man. Asshole. And also, too, he says that the court didn't look at his mitigating circumstances quite enough. Blah, blah, blah. You've got to – I understand the court is probably going to rule the same way I'm thinking. I understand the court is probably going to rule the same way I'm thinking, but you've got a wire around a guy's neck and your mouth on. It's so horrible. It's obvious that you're going to kill him.

It's pretty fucking clear. Looks like you're on the road there. The whole act is all wrapped into one. Hey, if you have your Yankee hat on and your Yankee jersey on and your kid's in the car and you have a number one foam finger and you have Yankee tickets in your hand, we're going to assume you're going to the fucking game. Just going to assume you're headed to the fucking game and you're pulling into the parking garage to go there. We think you're going in. Right.

I think it's reasonable to assume that. No doubt. Exactly. It's not like- The wire's his foam finger and the blowjob is his Yankee hat. Fuck me, man. Unbelievable. Yeah.

Fucking jerk. Ridiculous. So they argue the lying in wait thing hugely. That's what they're arguing a lot about the lying in wait. The law says lying in wait requires the elements of waiting, watching, and concealment for the purpose of taking a victim unaware. Okay. So basically him sitting there waiting and then shouting out to him when he concealed

himself in the railroad tracks and then shouted out to him and that sort of thing. So that's what they're saying that is. And I think it is because he was planning. It was even worse than lying in wait. It's stalking. It's predatory behavior. It exactly is exactly what that is. And he used the words lurking around in his own words.

So that was used against him. Obviously, they're like, what's the difference between lurking around and lying in wait? That's the same shit. So that's what ended up happening here. Now, they also talk about the mitigating factors in Beatty's Memorial Hospital, which, by the way, has been changed to Westville Correctional Center as a new name of that. Now, it was Beatty's Memorial Hospital back then. And they talk about while there he was like we talked about sexually abused by the attendants and they should call it not the rapey hospital.

That's what they should call it now. Where kids don't get raped. Come on down. Where kids don't get diddled. Bring your kids. We won't fuck them. Promise. Nobody will.

Not even the other prisoners. So they also they keep showing in evidence how the attacks on him as a child, Frank Davis in this institution were strikingly similar to the attacks he perpetrated on these kids, which makes perfect sense. That's what people do. That's exactly what people do. The court finds also they say the court finds some insight as to why the defendant has behaved in the manner that he did by this evidence. But the court determines that the evidence is simply not sufficient to show any justification or excuse for the acts perpetrated by the defendant upon these persons. Good.

No shit. Yeah. Don't care. It happened. Didn't matter. Don't matter. Unless the kid was holding a gun on you saying, blow me and strangle me. There's really nothing you can fucking say to that.

And even then, on the direct appeal, the Indiana Supreme Court affirms the conviction by a 5-0 vote. Wow. And they keep the death penalty too on a 4-1 vote. And the one dissenter, I believe, is the one that dissents every time. They don't believe in the death penalty. So it's one of those like we used to have Thurgood Marshall that would do it on any Supreme Court case. He'd always be a

dissenting opinion saying it's cruel and unusual punishment. Just to be the guy. Yeah, absolutely. And this guy, yeah, the judge wrote a dissenting opinion saying it's cruel and unusual punishment. Just to be the guy. Yeah, absolutely. And this guy, yeah, the judge wrote a dissenting opinion. In addition to being against it in general, he also said the lying in wait and prior murder aggravators had not been proved. Which I think they proved the molestation part. That's out of his mind. Yeah. How old is that person?

Because I think them and your grandma have a little bit of dementia in common. Yeah, teeming. Them and your grandma have a little bit of dementia in common. Yeah, teeming. He'd been on the high court since 1968, and he had voted to vacate more death sentences than any other justice. Wow. Justice Roger O. DeBruyler. That is a fucking unbelievably— He's probably dead now, I'm going to go ahead and say.

Probably, but that is a very— Yeah, fuck it. Forgiving person? Jesus. He voted to vacate 64% of the death penalty cases in front of him. It was 48 out of 75. That's somebody that hates the prosecutor. I got stats. That's right.

I got fucking stats on what some Indiana State Supreme Court judge did on his death penalty cases. That's right, bitch. 64%. Motherfuckers, what's up? Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports, baby. That's the one. March 17th, 1986. He's in prison.

He's on death row in Michigan City, which is Indiana State Prison there. There's a huge uprising in death row by the inmates, including Frank. Really? Including Frank. At 9.30 a.m., they take over the cell block using sharpened broomsticks. Sounds about right. It's crazy, man. It started during the recreational period and shit got crazy.

They ended up holding these people. They held them for 12 hours. They originally took three hostages and ended up releasing one of them and had two. There was 14 inmates in this whole thing. The whole point is they're arguing about the inmates are pissed about the overcrowding. Yeah. No injuries were reported. All these inmates wanted was their demands heard.

They want more room. They want more room. They want more something. Like I said, it's funny. The one they released was a prison administrator four hours into it, and they would release her if the prison officials let the inmates talk to a newspaper reporter and give them cigarettes, milk, and iced tea. They wanted that, too. Give a sense of cigarettes, too.

Jesus. Somebody wanted milk. I don't know. And iced tea. I mean, I can understand. Cigarette and iced tea? Nobody wants caffeine in this motherfucker? Cigarette and iced tea?

You being tired? I guess, yeah. You're a little parched? A little milk. But milk is fucking crazy. You know someone that's just been dying for a bowl of cereal the whole time they've been in there. That's some lunatic talk. Why do you want to milk, you weirdo?

It's fucking weird, man. They did ask also for drugs to stay awake. They asked for like uppers so they could stay awake. You want some No-Dos and maybe some Coke? The officials wouldn't give them that, though. They wouldn't give them that. Maybe some no-dos and maybe some coke. The officials wouldn't give them that, though. They wouldn't give them that.

They finally agreed to release both the other hostages after they get to talk to a reporter for 10 whole minutes. That's what they wanted. They wanted 10 minutes with a reporter. Their whole thing was, the reporter said, quote, they basically said that being electrocuted is their punishment. Their punishment doesn't have to include shakedowns. Okay. Which, you know, I mean, yeah, but you're still, you're on death row for a reason. We got to check you out every day.

You're the people that we're going to feel least sorry for. Right. If you're guilty. Obviously, there's a lot of people on death row who aren't guilty and probably a few of these guys. Right. But if you are guilty, there's a reason why we don't care what happens. How scared would you be if you're that fucking reporter that has to go into 14 lunatics that

are armed with sharpened broomsticks? Sharpened broomsticks. It's like you landed on some sort of island like 300 years ago. You're like, where are we? And they're poking sticks at you. Holy shit. You got to go visit Lord of the Flies and have to take their statement. Yeah, man.

Fuck that. Absolutely. So this all happens in 86. They make an agreement with little concessions from the prison officials. And the agreement included a promise that no physical retribution would be taken against the inmates and a promise that the corrections department would say it favors one cell each for death row inmates because they're double bunked in death row. It's like, we're dying.

We can at least have our own space. And so the corrections department now promised that when they go to the state next and it's discussed, their stance will be we want one cell. They're lucky that they're secluded from the rest of the population because when that happens, the whole fucking thing's on lockdown. And now you just put people that are generally out in their cell. They're going to be fucking furious. They're going to hate you.

Not to mention you've been molesting and strangling teenage boys this whole time. You're not going to be the most popular fellow on the soap block. Yeah, that's not great for you. Now, November 17th, 1993, the court vacates his death sentence. Really? They vacate his death sentence due to the mitigating circumstances that they say they were not properly – They didn't know about the forceps? circumstances that they say they were not properly.

They didn't know about the forceps. They were not properly talked about, talked about during the trial, the brain damage. And somebody felt bad for him about the diddling. And it happened to him, too. So either way, he is given 50 year sentences for each count of attempted murder. And so, yeah, and I think it's 60 years for each count above that. Yeah. 60 for each murder 50 for each attempted murder uh all consecutive 220 years total that's pretty he's not fucking

getting out that's fine he's gonna be there in 96 he is appealing everything what even the conviction he is advancing arguments to support a request to withdraw his guilty plea what it's been fucking 17 years you you're guilty asshole i'm sorry this is oh they should just go who are you again take a fucking walk asshole i'm tired of listening to this idiot jesus christ uh he says that his lawyer uh his main argument is ineffective assistance of counsel uh said the lawyer forced him to forego a jury trial and waive his constitutional rights in exchange for a plea agreement that gave him no real benefit because they were going for the death penalty. But the plea agreement wasn't for the death penalty. Also, he argues the counsel lacked experience to handle a death penalty case, which I agree with. an incompetent defendant himself to plead guilty and failed to suppress statements to

the police and fruits of what he calls an illegal search on his family home. I don't like where this is going. Yeah, he said he failed to present, he said the attorney failed to present an insanity defense and allowed Davis to plead guilty without the requisite intent. He says also, too, that the counsel failed to advise him on the aggravating circumstances and failed to properly wadir the jurors. He didn't even talk to the jurors right. He didn't do shit right. And even then he had an experienced guy with him.

He argues that because of the ineffective work of his counsel, there was no attempt to suppress evidence of his statement to the police. He just got no help, he's saying. The court basically says, maybe, maybe yeah and a couple of those uh but mainly no and go fuck yourself basically what they tell him this was scaring the shit out of me for a sec he tries to argue that his plea was not voluntary and intelligent uh he alleged his plea was invalid because during the plea hearing he denied an intent to kill until after an on the record off the record conference okay he's just he's looking for anything and he's saying i wasn't saying i did it i just said i wanted a plea and then the and they're like well you have 220 fucking years to think about it you stupid asshole uh there was testimony and in this too there was

testimony obtained apparently the brain damage thing this is, this is why it was vacated. I know this for a fact. Is the brain damage during birth was not brought in. That was not available until four years after the conviction. Okay. That makes sense. So that's after his appeal, his direct appeal, his conviction and everything. And then in 93, that was out there.

They said, OK, he's got a brain injury. That's a mitigating enough factor to not kill him anyway. So that's why that happened there. Because of that, they had a physician testify that because of this, that and the traumatic abuse, he suffered from PTSD, borderline personality disorder, major features of antisocial personality disorder. And he might not have also said that that might have caused him to have trouble cooperating with his counsel.

Yeah. Which all makes sense. That's fine. Yeah, but I don't know that I see. I'm no lawyer. But I don't see why this guy shouldn't be killed. Yeah, in some way, shape, or form. I don't see why this guy shouldn't be wiped out after all this.

This is fucking horrific. I don't want to pay for this. Granted, I'm not in that state. Well, shape, or form. Being honest, I don't see why this guy shouldn't be wiped out after all this. This is fucking horrific. I don't want to pay for this. Granted, I'm not in that state. Well, it's federal now. Is it federal? No, no. He's in state prison. Really?

It's all state prison. It's a state crime. No federal. He should end up paying. Federal has to cross state lines or have some sort of commerce implication or something like that. I thought Capitol was all federal. No, no, no. No, that just means he's fucked.

I told you I'm not a lawyer. You're not a lawyer. We are not lawyers. We are not journalists. The post-conviction court noted, quote, viewing the case as a whole, the trial counsel were competent. Okay. It's fine.

The guy tried his best for you. I just don't like that he's got the ability to fight this after what he did. This is fucking horrific. I mean, you have to because there are people Jesus, how many people get exonerated? This guy's not fucking one of them though. That's the thing. He's not one of them. I've watched those death penalty

cases on Netflix. This isn't a mystery that they picked him out of their ass and then they forced a confession out of him. There's a goddamn two kids going, that fucking guy. That Frank. That's the Frank. Wire blowjob attempted to kill me. That's the son of a bitch. And then he

did the same thing to other people, but it was successful. Ridiculous. So next appeal is finally to the Supreme Court of the United States. The last one. They also reject the lying in wait aggravator. They rejected it too like the previous court, but upheld the conviction and the sentence

of davis the mitigating factors were everything like we said that was the one uh that that made everybody everybody do this here uh that that was the one that made everything yeah cloudy was the brain damage followed by by that and the judge actually says the judge actually says as a special judge bruce emery of uh of miami county on this where they were talking about this this is one of the judges that uh that vacated the death penalty he said quote the state created the monster it now seeks to destroy wow which is a really fucking good way of putting it wow that's it right there he said you made this yeah you had a brain damaged guy that could have gone either way and you put him in a place and didn't watch him and allowed him to get abused and sodomized.

The state of Indiana is essentially Frankenstein. You made. Yeah. You made this monster. And now you're like, please, somebody kill it. It's like, no, assholes, you made it. Yeah. Which that makes sense.

And I'm glad that that judge put that on the state to say, watch. Don't let this happen to these kids. And maybe this won't happen. This is our fucking system. and it's your fault. So there he is. He's, he's in prison. Then he goes, he's not going to be executed. But January 22nd, 2008, he fucking dies in prison at age 54 alone and hated young.

Eat a dick. Frank Davis. Yes. I want, I want it to sound like it was over, but it's not. He's fucking dead. So bonus dead guy. Young. So young. I was over, but it's not. He's fucking dead. So, bonus, dead guy. So young. So young, I'm sure he...

That's crazy. Yeah, you know what? Good. His insides were probably as toxic as his fucking outside demeanor. It was pretty rotten. What a piece of complete and utter shit Frank Davis is. Thanks, Indiana. We're happy he's gone, Frank Davis.

I'm happy he died. And you know what? He probably died before he would have got executed anyway, so it didn't even fucking matter. He got an early sentence, by the way. He did. He only served 20 years. He did. It's horrible, man.

I feel bad for anybody who is actually in that situation where he was as a kid, who was put in it, honestly, through no fault of his own, really. He did some shit, but it was because he had brain damage. And they put him in this hospital, and they did create him. And they just warped him. They created him. But then at some point, it's like, I don't care who created him. We need to be safe and not have our kids be strangled in the woods.

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