Small Town Murder - #350 - The CSI Effect - Collinsville, Virginia

Episode Date: January 7, 2023

This week, in Collinsville, Virginia, when a brother & sister pair decide to share a house, the whole family senses trouble, especially since one of them digs holes, in the middle of the night, while always keeping a large outdoor fire going. When one of them disappears, it becomes a huge mystery, with dogs sniffing all over the county. But when the murderer finally admits to doing it, they then make one of the craziest attempt at suicide, in history. This is followed by a process of finding the many pieces of the body, in some odd places, because the killer was obsessed with CSI! This one starts crazy, and just gets crazier!!Along the way, we find out that dragons aren't real, that antifreeze probably tastes disgusting, and that no matter how much CSI you watch, it's hard to commit the perfect murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay and choo-choo. yay indeed jimmy yay indeed my name is james petrogallo i'm here with my co-host i'm jimmy wissman thank you so much for joining us everybody murder train is pulling away from the station on board have your tickets out and let's go because this is oh boy another crazy one walking the aisles and punching them let's go and this is crazy as usual and we'll get into it here we go uh first off before we get started though definitely head over to shut up and give me murder.com yeah get those tickets for february 10th february 11th that is cleveland and st louis to kick off the tour for 2023 and hurry because they're going real fast they're not going to be there much longer.

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Let's clear the lungs. Where are you right now? Not only shout it out your car window. Stop in traffic. Stand on your hood. Don't look over your shoulder. Arms to the sides. Up in the air like you're king of the world and yell shut up and give me

murder now get back in your car before you get in an accident please you're gonna cause a 14 car pile up i swear to god the 101 for christ's sake please be careful so let's do this let's go on a trip jimmy what do you say oh how long is All right. We are going all the way down to Virginia this week. Oh, yeah. I've been a little bit since we've been there. We're going to Collinsville, Virginia. Yeah. Which is a small town just outside of Martinsville, Virginia, which is a slightly bigger town that's kind of more well-known. So population here in Collinsville, this is like southern. The closest city is Greensboro, North Carolina. So it's kind of close to the North Carolina border but kind of in the central part of the state,

heading toward the panhandle of Virginia. And this is some serious panhandlery going on this week. So population here, 6,878. So a few people here, but not very big. Median household income is about 20,000 lower than the national average. It's 36,210. And median home price, though, 106,200 bucks. You can do it. This is cheap. Yeah, this is a very inexpensive area here, kind of in the middle of nowhere. A little bit of history about this town was founded that's how uh he uh him and another guy patrick henry who's a revolution famous revolutionary war guy uh lived briefly here and they named a county after him patrick henry and then the guy left so he showed up they were like yay we're so happy you're here we'll name a county after you and he's like fuck you bye

and he just left they just kept the name. That's pretty interesting. In the 20th century, DuPont built a large manufacturing plant for producing textile nylon filament. Yeah. Which was big for the war for World War Two. And during the Cold War, it was identified as a strategic bombing target from the Soviet Union. Really? Yeah, because of all the textile nylon filament they were making.

They were like, listen, they're going to be coming for us. This is it. I mean, they're going to go, we got to bomb. We got to come get our uniforms. New York, Washington, D.C., probably Los Angeles just for the population center chicago probably and make sure to get collinsville virginia while you're at it please can we get that so but it's probably true that's what's crazy uh the nylon production though jump-started the growth of the textile industry in the area because they were already making the shit there um the uh martinville

speedway opened in 1954 i guess i was gonna say i think this is racing yeah nascar is there there you go 1949 it was one on the roster for the first season of nascar boogity boogity in 49 uh for years martinsville was known as the sweatshirt capital of the world oh sweatshirt i thought you were gonna say shop nope not sweatshirt. I thought you were going to say shop. Nope, not sweatshirt capital of the world. If you had a random no-name sweatshirt on, it was probably from here. That's how it worked. Yep. And in the 1980s, it boasted here, Martinsville, more millionaires per capita than any other city in America. Is that right? I suppose, for a minute. I don't know. A lot of rich people here. That feels very biased, though. It feels like they, you know what I mean?

I feel like I hear that a lot, to where everywhere can't have the most millionaires per capita. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I've heard that about Scottsdale, Arizona. I've heard that about L.A. Yeah, it's a lot. Martinsville, though. Jesus. Yeah, it's a lot.

Martinsville, though. Jesus. In the 90s, textiles and furniture manufacturing became kind of economically obsolete by then. You couldn't really make any money doing it anymore. So they closed the shops. They laid off thousands of workers. These companies all went to other countries. And the city has repositioned itself or tried to as a center for the development of technology.

So that's what they're going for. Yeah. Reviews of this town. Let's hear what the people have to say. Here's four stars. This is a good, very good. It is a quiet city. Good to live and study.

That's because it's quiet. You can study. There's no noise interrupting you, people are friendly and lovely love you don't hear lovely very often when describing i love the word though yeah it's nice word it is the only problem is that you must have a car to go out and in vacation you do not have so much to do in city so you have to go to another one who vacations where they live i was just gonna say that staycation in martinsburg that's a vacation that's called the martinville or i think yeah yeah you can go ahead you do not have much to do so you have to go to another city that's a vacation that's what people do you're supposed to leave because we've done everything here already

because we fucking live here we do it all the time. This is so frustrating. There's a complex who you can play some sports. I assume he tried to say where. At least it didn't come out how. You can play some sports with friends. There is a NASCAR stadium here, too. Here's three stars.

Small town, but you meet lots of amazing people and friends. The middle schools are not that great. They have serious insect problems. Oh. How overrun must the middle school be where that's the main thing you have to describe about the town? Hey, how you doing? This town here, pretty nice. Middle school overrun with vermin

just crazy that's not even vermin bugs bugs i assume the last thing i thought you were gonna say usually 10 choices i wouldn't have said insects the middle school is a problem because of the bugs yeah then the vermin go to eat the bugs and then you're gonna get them too aren't your school isn't it closed for a few months? Take care of it. Wipe it out. Let it go. Let it go. They're having an experiment here. Set up some tarps and bomb the motherfucker. Nope. Nope. Trying to get the population up

and see what's going on. But the high schools are great is the next line. Great teachers that try hard to work with you and meet your needs. I'm going to say that person's in high school. They're like in the ninth grade and they're very happy to get out of that middle school. Here's two stars. Lacking of things to do.

Just some fast food places to eat and a bowling place to go sometimes. One can't bowl every day. Not every day. Oh, fuck your thigh up. A town in the middle of nowhere. That's the last. i think that's probably pretty accurate that's what um things to do here it's not much but there is the dragon festival at the virginia museum of natural history so those don't exist that's that's what i'm saying

this is a museum of natural history museum Museum, natural history. You know where none of those things have to do with? Dragons. None of those. Museum, natural, or history. Dragons. This isn't the Game of Thrones museum. This is a goddamn natural history museum. Show me a bison or something.

Don't show me this. What are we talking about? Show me dinosaur bones. Show me cool geodes. I don't't show me this. What are we talking about? Show me dinosaur bones. Show me cool geodes. I don't want to see this. What do we do with dragon days, James? Holy Christ. Explore the lore of dragons.

You said it right there. And the impact these creatures have made on societies across the globe. What? Have they imagined them? Who cares? What are we talking about? What are we talking about? They don't fucking exist. Is there a unicorn festival too?

And the science behind the growth and dissemination of their myth. Okay, you just said two words that don't belong in the same sentence together. I'm bouncing up and down in my chair right now. The science behind the dissemination of their myth so the science behind how it's spread you're going to show me a fucking flow chart of how these people sally told suzy who told bobby what are we talking about only dragon that's gonna happen is me dragging these nuts across your face. Yeah, that's right. Jesus Christ, I'm losing my mind. God damn it.

Why do they do this? I don't know. Festival experiences include dragon displays and art, full-size dragon sculpture, fire performances, blacksmith presentations. What does that have to do with it?

Do you shoe a dragon? You going to show me how to make a dragon shoe? Is that what we're doing here? Stilt walkers will be there for some reason. Don't know why that's happening. This is ridiculous. This is sci-fi-y, right? They wear, like, steampunk goggles.

Look at that. Look at me. Remind you of dragons. There is a sci-fi and fantasy author like meet and greet going on uh beer and mead garden you assholes uh a renfair marketplace food trucks and music and it tells you to come dressed in your favorite family friendly dragon medieval or fantasy costume and receive free admission family friendly is there an adult dragon james there's an adult costume where your cock hangs out don't you know the anatomically

correct dragon costumes with huge balls you have to drag behind you do you know that one you can't wear that one your veiny cock a veiny dragon cock no dragon dicks fire comes out veiny dragon cock no dragon dicks fire comes out like an eddie murphy raw fire come out my dick when i beat dragons today you know we don't need any of that this place is a disaster that's said clearly a disaster that said let's talk about a murder let's talk about someone who got out one way or another jesus christ i cannot fucking believe this this is disturbing uh museum it's a natural history okay yeah uh let's talk about a murder we got to go back not too far 2006 so you know it's pretty much what it is now minus instagram that's all and you have to get

your uh netflix through dvds that's it right yeah shit comes in the mail you gotta oh man they don't have a copy i gotta wait for someone else to be done with it and then they'll mail it to me that's that's that's that but they're still texting and cameras on your phone blackberry times everybody blackberry times think blackberry sideways kick that kick side kick out lg flip phone type maneuvers going on here so let's talk about some people first up let's talk about a lady here she's 55 years old okay nancy motes m-o-t-e-s that's her maiden name. Wingfield, Nancy Motes Wingfield. Now, she's described differently by a few different people. Apparently, pre-1997, she's described as a good-natured, gregarious woman who runs a beauty shop out of her home.

And, you know, to run a beauty shop out of your home, you have to have some you know oh god yeah you gotta be up yeah you gotta talk to these people and beauty shops it's probably a bunch of ladies coming over so you gotta talk to these ladies you gotta make this a fun experience it's you know all that kind of shit so then in 1997 her son david, David Dwayne Lawson was her son. In 1997, he is murdered in his house. OK, now this is crazy because a guy named Danny Steve Hall was convicted of this and convicted of first degree murder. He shot and killed David, who is her son. And this was in a domestic dispute where I guess I don't know if David lived with these people, but the Danny Steve Hall and his wife were in some kind of some kind of fight dispute. And I guess somehow her son got involved in it.

He was in the house. And I don't know if he's a friend or a roommate or whatever. But this guy decided, I'm shooting everybody. And he shot up his wife. And he also shot up David Dwayne Lawson. But his wife survived. And, yeah, his wife survived. This is in a trailer, too.

Oh, my God. Apparently, okay, there was. Yeah. His wife. So this is in a trailer, too. So my God, apparently. OK, there was the guy tried to say that Lawson grabbed the gun and shot at him when he saw the guy coming up on the porch of the trailer. But instead, they're like the forensics don't back that up at all. It shows that this guy just opened fire on people inside the inside the trailer. But this guy tried to say that, oh, I was threatened by him. He tried to grab my gun. He probably tried to stop him from shooting his fucking wife. Or him.

One of the two. Yeah. So this guy in 97 ends up being convicted of first degree murder. And he receives, I believe, a life sentence for the murder of Lawson and a 10 year sentence for shooting into an, are shooting into an occupied building five years for the unlawful wounding of his wife and three years. How's that not attempted murder? Hey,

you killed one guy and shot at her. You're a, your intentions are obviously murderous because you've already killed a person. So what are we talking about here? Wounding. What a fascinating charge isn't any wounding pretty unlawful unless it's a total accident wouldn't that be unless it's accidental or self-defense or so yeah even then it could be unlawful wounding who knows but uh yeah and the felony use of a firearm so he receives life plus 10 years

and this apparently made nancy not the same kind of person after that. I'm sure that changes her. Everybody said she became withdrawn. She stopped running the beauty shop out of her house. She couldn't put the smile on anymore and go, come on, girls. She couldn't do it anymore. She just couldn't do it. Didn't have it in her to play Shania Twain one more time in 1997.

She's like, if I have to fucking hear this song one more time while I fucking strip the color out of a woman's hair, I'm going to blow my goddamn brains out. Yeah. All over this dryer. I can't take it. One of those sit down things where it comes over your head. Yeah, the beehive thingy. Yeah. So either way, she ends up being withdrawn, taking painkillers and sleeping pills a lot.

Oh, no. And by 2006, it's been, you know, eight or so years of her basically just. Yeah, she's in it now. Yeah, spiraling down. And everybody said she's become quite miserable here. I'm sure. Yeah. Like all of her relatives, her daughter,

she has two daughters, Tina and Janine, and they both say that she's had to be suffering at this point from like severe depression. Sure. Because of, yeah, all of her drug use and,

and just being depressed and withdrawn, that sort of thing. Now, Nancy has a brother. She's 55. Her brother's 52. He is James Alton motes that's her brother he's 52 um apparently she tried to go out to las vegas for a little while and james and was out there and then she moved back to back to Collinsville, Virginia. This is 2006. She moved like early 2005.

She moved back and then James joined her in the fall of 2005. Yeah. So there's no place to live. He had no place to go. James is a bit of a weirdo. James will kind of talk about here. Yeah. Let's just say that her her her daughter said that Nancy allowed him to move back with her to help him.

So, OK, he's got some issues. He had a domestic violence arrest in 1995. Yeah. And from what I found, he also this was out in Las Vegas. He also I found him in New Mexico at one point. He had a domestic case in 95, 94. I found he was married. So maybe that's why he married a woman named Sandra in 1994. By 1995, he's being arrested for battery and beating her up. So that explains how that works. In 2003, I find he's in the newspaper for owing a shitload of property taxes in New Mexico. In the newspaper about it. They list all the debts in these local papers of that, and he's in there. And I found he owes $81,208 in debts and $21,000 in property taxes in New Mexico.

Is this all like in arrears or like we're just blasting that out i was gonna say this has to be you have this you have to go past due before they put it in the paper right i can't imagine twenty two thousand dollars is a year in new mexico you gotta print that shit in new mexico in in unis new mexico that's probably oh my god what that's 20 years he's paying his grandfather's property taxes, probably. That's, what is it, $180 a year for half the state, I think, is what New Mexico... Who wants to be there? Yeah.

There's no way he's $22,000 in arrears for one year. That's several. And apparently he owes, I believe, on his house $81,208 on that. Has he never paid for anything? I don't think he's paid for oh god it's not a not a thing 10 years hasn't paid a thing not a goddamn thing so he's got issues then i find him and i think 2004 in florida being arrested for battery so seems to yeah not changing its spots yeah but we're talking New Mexico, Vegas, Florida, back to Vegas.

He's bouncing all over. Bouncing all over. Yeah, he's not real stable, this guy. The whole country, for Christ's sake. All over, yeah, from corner to corner, sea to shining desert, I guess. Sea to dusty desert. That's where he's going, from Florida to New Mexico. From sea to nuclear tested that's right

to irradiated fucking wasteland he's going there so he moves in with nancy he comes to live with her um and the neighbor here and a woman named martha lee this neighbor she said that all of the neighbors started to gossip about him pretty much immediately in the first couple months pretty good guy because they were this is a i'll read right from the newspaper because it's hilarious neighbors were quote disturbed by his habits of digging in the yard in the middle of the night for about three months and keeping a fire going at all times outside what the fuck that's weird behavior hey hello mr clopac there's that new guy again he's digging in the night for again for some no reason he's not digging a pool or anything like there's no like oh it's gonna be beautiful and we're done we're

gonna tell you right here this is gonna be the rock slide okay we're gonna have a big old rock slide you can come down this is gonna be amazing he's just digging in the yard for no reason starting fires and not starting keeping fires right he's had it continuously goes like it's the what is happening why would you do that slow roast and something is it a dragon thing what's happening that keeps them away it keeps the keeps the dragons away all All right? All right. Keep the fire hot. One guy in Portland believed in dragons, Jimmy. He thought you were, in fact, a dragon as well.

He's a dragon. He's a dragon. He said it loud and proud, Jimmy. To explain, we were on stage doing a live show very quickly. This was like four years ago Jimmy was sneaking drags off his uh off his jewel cigarette you're trying to quit smoking you're taking drags off this thing and every once in a while you'd see a little bit of this vapor smoke shit come out of his nose and 20 minutes into the show I'm just I'm talking about something and I'm like yeah so this town has you know this many you know Mormons and this many that yeah and this guy in the front row loud as shit just goes he's a dragon

and I went excuse me and he just went hey he's a dragon I've seen I've seen smoke coming out his nose and I went are you fucking for real right now and his eyes were like he was dead serious and his girlfriend was like leaning into the next thing away from him like very embarrassed so sometimes i forget there's a crowd uh with us yeah just staring at your eyes he's a magical wow so he's these are his habits of just digging in the yard in the middle of the night and keeping a fire going for three months, which is not normal. So like I said, this is the fall of 2005 into January of 2006. And then we'll catch up with the story here. January 12th, 2006, Nancy's daughter, Tina, comes over to see her mother because she hasn't talked to her since January 1st. She hasn't been heard from.

Oh, no, the second because she said that on December 29th, she last saw her mother. And then her boyfriend had talked to Nancy on January 1st on the phone. So that's the last contact. And the daughter comes over. Tina says, you know, where's mom? And James is there. And he says, well, the last time I saw her was January 2nd. So we're in the same boat.

The 6th or four days later. This is the 12th. It's 10 days later. It's a week and a half. So you haven't talked to her your boyfriend talked to her new year's day i saw her the next day now she's been gone for 10 days he said she usually she'll take off for a couple days at a time you know doesn't tell me when she's coming back or anything like that but never 10 days yeah i don't know that's kind of weird

and uh so tina's like yeah that is weird what's even weirder is her car's in the driveway where'd she go who'd she go with? She left her car for walking. Yeah. So I mean, like, did she who picked her up? She's not really that social. And she just moved back here. So what's going on here?

And James, like, I don't know, man. She took off. I just one minute. She was here. Next minute. She wasn't. Yeah. Not my problem.

Don't really care. That's how it was. So Tina says, well, I think I should report her missing 10 days since anyone's heard from her that's crazy she would have called me she never goes 10 days without talking to me and he goes ah she'll be fine she'll be back she'll turn up yeah she disappears for a couple days i said maybe she just stretched it out this time she's probably in aruba right now just you know having a good time so dragon days is right around the corner she's she's making her costume she's making a family-friendly costume to get free admission she's down at the blacksmith building a dragon harness yeah that's what she is she's gonna spend four thousand dollars building

a dragon costume to save the twelve dollars it costs to get in to see the stupid thing so um tina's that i think i'm gonna go ahead and report her missing. This is crazy. You know, I'm going to do it. So she reports her mom missing. And deputies come over. They arrive. They look around the house, obviously, because her car is there. So they say, you know, it's like a well check thing.

We got to look around. And everything's in order. You know, it's not like the house is torn up. There's no holes in the drywall or blood spattered up in the ceiling or anything like that. It looks normal, like people live here and somebody left. Who knows? With no covers and soaked in blood and all that? No, just a big, the center of it's just cut out.

It's just a big hole in the middle of the mattress, just totally cut out. Gone. Big chunk of carpet cut out. Cut out. Gone. Yeah chunk of carpet cut out. Cut out. Gone. Yeah. Burned.

So, but they do notice one very strange thing here. Uh-oh. They notice a set of dentures here. Does she have dentures? Well, they say that, yeah, she does. Well, that's what they find out from Tina, that she does wear dentures, because they take note of the dentures, and they ask James, because he's got teeth in his mouth, so they're like, these aren't yours, obviously. Either you're already wearing them or you have your own, one of the two.

You got us there. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what's up with that. And they're found in her area as well, not his. So they're like, that's interesting. And so they asked the daughter, does she wear dentures? And she does.

So they start thinking, what person that wears dentures would run off even they start thinking what kind of a who that what person that wears dentures would run off even for two or three days without their teeth right you would at least take them with you even if you don't need them right now you might need them later yeah you'd want to wears them and he doesn't go anywhere without them i would think that why have them otherwise right they'll seem like a you have a measure that keeps you going. Yeah, you have them to put in your fucking head so you have teeth. Yeah, 10 days, that's upwards of 30 meals that she needs this for. Yeah. How often are you sitting around going, I really don't need my teeth right this minute if I could go without them right now?

They're good to have just in case. You never know. But every four or five hours, I'd need them, though. Yeah, so you'd need them though yeah that's how you need them for something it would come up then they also note that they find her glasses there but they go okay she could have many sets of people some people have six seven pairs of glasses who knows three four yeah but these are definitely her regular glasses that she usually wears and her pills are there also but they're like maybe she has more pills.

Who knows? She could have had another bottle, and we don't know that either, but still, glasses, pills, and teeth make it look like she didn't really go anywhere or wasn't planning on going anywhere for 10 days anyway without glasses, pills, and teeth. It's a tough sell.

You need all of those. So that's the 12th. They come over. They talk to James. James says, I don't know, man. Saw her on the 12th. They come over. They talk to James. James says, I don't know, man. Saw her on the 2nd. Fuck do I know what she does with her teeth?

Not my problem. I don't know. Just a lot of shrugs. A lot of I don't knows. And there's really nothing to go on. So the cops go, well, all right. We'll keep an eye out for her, basically. There's nothing else they can say. We'll also jot down that that is the last person that's seen her so far.

So far on the 2nd. That's what we they can say. We'll also jot down that that is the last person that's seen her so far. So far, on the second, that's what we're talking about. So January 17th comes around. Five days later, they look all around for Nancy. They put out, you know, everything everybody's looking for. The whole state's, you know, alive with the sound of Nancy. And the hills, the Virginia hills are alive with the sound of Nancy. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community.

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And they come with a search warrant this time. This time they're like, all right, we're going to do more than a look and see. We're going to really get into this here. So while they're doing this, they talk to neighbors as well. They're really doing a whole canvas. And more neighbors say, yeah, I noticed right around that time, around the second through the next few days after that, I noticed more digging than normal from James out there. Yeah, he does that. He does that.

But, yeah, there was more. Like, he was digging all the time. And they said a lot more. There was, like, more fires. He upped all the time, and they said a lot more. There was more fires. He upped his fire and digging game. Yeah. We're three weeks out of Krampus time. Oh, yeah.

He's definitely not sending a signal to Krampus. So they're like teeth, pills, glasses, fires, holes. That's too much. Those are five things that should never all be together. That's a Yahtzee, babe. Yeah, they should be together as much as science, myth, and dragons should all be in the same history and natural. Those five things go together as much as these five. And it's bad.

Bad. So they're really starting to be like, what the fuck? bad um so they're really starting to be like what the fuck um so they're they keep really going at james here in his own living room and they're like he keeps saying i don't know where she went i don't know where she went they're like we have her god these are her teeth you know i would assume they're making chompy things with it like look chomp chomp it's been 15 days i think she hasn't eaten anything solid since then he's got a bottom tray tray on his thumb and holding the top and slapping them together. That's what he's doing, yeah. Otherwise, what is she doing?

Just gumming down untoasted tuna sandwiches? What are we talking about here out there? She's got to have teeth. Just balancing between egg salad and tuna. That's her favorite. Back and forth. He goes, actually, yeah, no, she loves egg salad and tuna salad. No, that didn't happen.

But, yeah, that's how they're talking to him. And he said, I don't know. You know, I don't know. I don't know. They said, the cops said, the lead investigator said they went over the house with a fine-tooth comb and found nothing. But they kept at it. Fine-tooth. Fine-tooth. Chomp, chomp. fine tooth comb and found nothing but they kept out fine tooth chop chop

so they couldn't find anything the only thing they found the only thing in the entire house that they found that could possibly be of any evidentiary value is a speck a single speck of blood, speck of blood behind the toilet handle. Nice looking, friends. That's fine-tooth comb. There's no other way to say it with fine-tooth comb. Jesus. But, I mean, that's how deep they looked. They found a speck of blood behind the toilet handle.

But that's evidence, but it's also, if you went. It could come from anything. If you went with a fine to like a forensic team came into your bathroom anybody's bathroom your blood is in there somewhere it's all over the place i would appear missing for sure yeah oh my god jesus he's lost like a gallon of blood in here this is crazy it's all over the place oh please if i change my razor i it is a blood bath in this dangerous the first time i use a razor every time i take a deep breath and go here it goes here it goes roll a toilet paper sitting next to you already at the here we go it's on now

everybody does that right everybody's got that like that pit in your stomach that you know that you're just about to look you're about to injure yourself that's the thing you're about to injure yourself and you're like i gotta do it this is it's crazy i'm either hairy or bloody one of the weird thing to do yeah it's gonna be a trail of something behind me i know that much It's crazy. I'm either hairy or bloody. One of the two. It's a weird thing to do. Yeah. It's going to be a trail of something behind me. I know that much. Every time, it's just blood.

Oh, my God. So they look around. That's all they could find, a single speck of blood, which is behind the toilet seat. It's an interesting place to get it. Handle, though. You could have a nick on your finger and flush it and then blood gets there. I guess. Yeah. But it's like a speck in the way.

It's weird. It's the way. Where it is is very strange. The way it's sitting there. But other than that, they have nothing. So all they have is like they can't really say we found blood here. We found this. They have.

Look, we have redentures. There's a speck of blood behind the toilet handle. You're burning and digging. Something's fucking weird here, you know? And finally, after just sitting in his living room, grilling him over and over and over again, he finally cracked. Really? He finally said, fine.

I fucking did it. She's gone. You want to know where she is? You want to know where she is? I'll tell you where she is. And they're like, whoa, this is going to be good. He says, give me a piece of paper. All right.

Okay. They're like, all right. And so they give him a piece of paper and a pen and he starts drawing a map on it. Yeah. And on this map, he draws five X's. And he said, she's in those five places. That's where she is. All of them in those five places that's where she is all five places he said i put her in five different places and they go well how why what's going on here and he said everybody go pour

yourself a nice hot cup of tea and let's just sit down around the fire and have a little tail shall shall we he said that he was angry with nancy james was that usually starts oh yeah otherwise how you put them in five spots we've got that yeah because she's in multiple pieces you must have been pretty angry because he felt she had been rude to their niece not his kid one of their other sister's kids oh my god he felt that nancy had been yeah had been rude to her and he thought she was trying to separate him from other family members like she was trying to say like you shouldn't talk to the yeah yeah she's being uh manipulative he's saying so he then said to her, he said, look, there's that. Rude to the niece. I don't play that shit, number one.

Trying to kind of keep me away from the rest of the family. And if I'm being honest, she kind of wanted to die. So if you add those three things up, I did her a favor. Nice having you by, gentlemen. Have a good one. My show's on soon i gotta go and they're like yeah not so fast here chief uh how yeah did you like did you take her and was this like did she beg you to help her or how did this work he said not exactly um actually

on january 2nd she was napping on her bed and I went in there with a nylon cord you know because it's Collinsville and I want to stay I want to stay local so nylon that's what we make here and I strangled her while she slept so you know she didn't really have much of a chance to fight back I strangled her

strangled her good killed her in her bed so she never woke up from that nap with his hands or like a zip tie nylon cord a cord wrapped around her neck hands got it yeah yeah strangling her like she owed a mobster money type of deal or was going to testify so he said huh all right well this isn't good now i got my dead sister here you got to do something here so he hauls her into the bathroom uh-huh uh takes her into the bathtub and by the way we must say he's a huge csi fan the tv show csi he says openly it is the only television show that he watches he loves it it's a good. He loves forensics and shit like that. So that's why the bathroom is so clean. Even though he put her body in the bathtub and used a hacksaw and a knife to cut her into small pieces.

Jesus. Didn't take her into five, six pieces. We're talking cut her up small. and cut her up small. Then over the next six days, Jimmy, he spent six days stuffing these pieces into waterbed baffles. Now, waterbeds, there's either the big,

one big bladder with water in it, or they have ones that are like, there's sections of where it's baffled so it doesn't all move around all the time every time you fucking get on it that way when one person gets on it doesn't shoot the other person off the bed in 1987 when there's fucking water beds yeah me too 96 so he stuffs her into waterbed baffles because they're very thick waterbed baffles they have to hold the water and you put pressure on them,

so they're really good for that. Stuffs it in there and then wraps it in more plastic over and over and over again. It's amazing how well he wrapped these, and we'll talk about that. But then he buried some of the bags on her property. He said some are in the backyard here. some of the bags on her property. He said some are in the backyard here. Then he took bleach and the kind of acid used to eat the mortar off of bricks.

Wow. Acid wash. Acid wash. And that's what he scrubbed the bathroom down with. That's why. Holy shit. That's why they only found one speck of blood behind the toilet handle, because this guy's obsessed with CSI.

He couldn't see it. He's obsessed with CSI. He couldn't see it. He's obsessed with CSI and knows what they're going to do. And he acid washed the bathroom. He acid washed the bathroom, which is insane. Then he gathered up all the tools and equipment, including the trash can that had held her body because he put all of her parts in a trash can for holding and then took them out and put them in the plastic and then he burned it all in a big fire behind the house holy shit okay so he says all of this and they're like holy shit bro well obviously you can't do that that's not allowed um we're definitely going to arrest you for this.

And what happens next is why you take people into the police station to interrogate them and you don't do it in their own living room. This is why you don't do that. Okay. Very simple reason. Because then he says, okay, sure, that sounds good. Grabs a bottle of antifreeze and begins chugging from it. Get out. He gets down about half a bottle of antifreeze before they're able to tackle him

and get the bottle of antifreeze out of his hand. While he's like, ah, with his tongue out, trying to get the last drops falling out of it. It's late, fellas. He drank a half a bottle of antifreeze which by the way you're not supposed to do in case you're no that's not big on your science yeah yeah unless you're big in case you're big into dragons let me clarify for you science-wise this isn't good also on csi uh antifreeze will kill you it will kill you so they immediately have to bring him to memorial hospital of martinsville where they have to intubate him on a ventilator because you know he drank half a

bottle of antifreeze and they think he's going to die and for the next several days lingers on a ventilator wow okay so now they have his map and his admissions and they have to go around and try to find these bought her body. They had been searching for her before this using the best blood bloodhound canine team in the area, which is from North Carolina. They were over the spots where she was and could not find her with the bloodhound. That's how well he wrapped her. The police dogs can smell. I've seen cadaver dogs smell, be on a fucking rowboat in a lake and smell a body part 30 feet in the fucking water from the boat and they recover somebody. I've seen them do that.

That's how well he wrapped them they still today find human remains at the 9-11 memorial 20 years later they're still finding it yes how decomposed that must be they're still finding it yeah and this dog couldn't find it because it was wrapped so tight the best team of bloodhounds couldn't find it because it was wrapped so tight. The best team of bloodhounds couldn't find it. That's how well he wrapped it. They even, on one day, divers searched in an abandoned rock quarry that was near the house there. They searched 80-foot depths, everything, and found nothing. Found nothing. So he tells, once they find her in these different places, they find out totally he cut her up into 19 pieces.

Jesus. Can you imagine doing that, cutting someone up into 19 pieces? I guess I was thinking he'd probably take the digits off each hand, but he probably, that was just hand, hand, hand for him. He was cutting her torso down. 19, though, yeah. Cut her knee at the joint to make the legs i mean it was to make it real easy to do and put the parts in five separate holes

so he went around for a few days after that and by the way he did he he spent six days doing all this so that's the eighth then he cleaned up by the 12th they couldn't find a fucking thing in his house that's how well he did this. Yeah, but he started second or third. When the daughter came by, he just finished. Well, yeah, I'll tell you exactly what happened when the daughter came by. We're talking just finished. Just wiped his brow, for Christ's sake.

Yep. And he said that he did all this because he watched CSI a lot and he knew what they'd be looking for. So if he put the body parts in separate holes, washed down the crime scene the right way and do all of that, you know, it would work. And later on, the prosecutor says, if you think about it, everything he did was exactly logical. He said he watched CSI. He said it was the only show he watched. mean it helped him to almost get away with this if he didn't admit it they wouldn't have been able to get him on anything nothing no they could have went forever if the dogs couldn't find her and they've gone over it five times they're not going to come back it would have been done

their suspicions about him for the rest of his life oh he'd always be that guy yeah probably killed his sister but who knows he'd be that weird guy the neighbors gossip about even more. So at one point when they do dig her up from the house, he is brought from the hospital in an ambulance to point out exactly where he buried it, and then they take him back to the hospital. With an antifreeze hangover? With an antifreeze hangover. He starts to come out of it after a while here he's taken off the ventilator he's being guarded by sheriff's deputies and will be taken to jail if he ever gets out of the hospital they said so in the backyard they searched and they

found a a plastic covered package as they put it that contained two plastic bags so he's doing it like a really good weed smuggler, like separate bags inside of bigger bags. Or a grandma giving leftovers. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. That's what my grandmother would do. She'd lock it down.

Although sometimes she'd just give you like a big bowl of something that swooshed back and forth with a piece of tinfoil over it. Not even like a wrap where it would cling. We're talking tinfoil where it's like, that's doing nothing. It's just bunched up around the side. Just before Christmas. And he's like, take some of that to go. And I was like, how?

And he goes, paper plate, tinfoil. I was like, are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah, what are we talking about? I got to drive. Tupperware or fuck yourself. You know what I mean? What, you don't trust me with Tupperware, asshole? I'd take that as an insult. I'll bring it back. Paper, paper plate? You don't even me with tupperware asshole i'd take that as an insult paper paper plate you

don't even try hold on paper plate tinfoil in other words take this fuck out of my house i don't care if it falls on your floor stay in your car on the way home fuck you you're gonna stop short and this is going into your real well i wanted to him, why are you so mad at me? What'd I do? Jesus, really? I don't warrant Tupperware. Thanks. Noted. Thank you. It's pasta, man. What are you talking about? Next year for Christmas, make sure to get him Tupperware.

This is in case you have friends over and you want them to take food home, you don't have to say take a paper plate and tinfoil, because that's just sad take this is for you to keep your friendships going you're fucking jerk so people don't think that you don't trust them why why is what i do this is for you and your trust issues okay have fun i couldn't believe it that That is weak shit, man. That's weak. Truly. I always give you Tupperware. Yeah, every time. Take that.

You bring them back. Every time. I don't care if you bring them or not. I still have three, four of them in my kitchen. Sure. We would overwhelm. Every time I put shit in, I'm like, James did this for me. Yeah, I did.

This is from Ziti. This is from leftover steak. God damn it. Son of a bitch. Not even a firm paper. It's the ones that fold. Oh, I know the ones. The person who would offer you a tin foil covered paper plate only has one type of paper plate.

It's not the Dixie ones that are stiff and you could eat off of. No, no. They're like coffee filters for Christ's sake. It's a coffee filter that someone would stick a hot dog on in the backyard and go, here you go. Asshole. What'd I do? Here you go, friend who I don't care about. Enjoy.

Stunning. These are 1,200 of these for $1.50. So they also said the remains they found were, quote, fairly fresh. We're not talking about skeletal remains. I believe we have body parts because of the packaging and the size. And also because the murderer told you that they're body parts and he put them there. That's also another good hint you can use. But I get why he's saying it.

You have to do that. They found that these all recovered in different areas with the remains buried at least three feet deep in every area. He was busy. That's what I'm saying. Well, he's a hole digger, though. This guy, if you're digging all night, your hole digging muscles are strong. Like, you can bust a hole out, no problem. It's fun for him.

The ones found at her house were buried the deepest. They were buried in a five-foot deep, four-foot wide pit. That's such a big hole. That's almost a grave. That's almost a legit grave he dug in the yard. So that's why the dog, and then wrapped and wrapped and wrapped. That's why the dogs didn't smell it at all. So the lead investigator said, this is as gruesome as it gets.

This is as brutal as it gets. Hopefully we'll never have to deal with anything like this again. Man, this is wild. So that TV show off the fucking air. Oh, my. No, you're helping. You're helping. You're helping the wrong people.

So they they found all of this. They said we have found an article of great interest of some significant size, which we believe may be potential physical evidence, which may include human remains covered and wrapped. How about you just say, we found her fucking body. We got it. Dude, there's an arm in here. Can you believe that? Like, say that shit we can get with.

Unbelievable. The neighbors say that, yeah, he would dig trenches all day and burn fires all night. He was, quote, not quite right right as opposed to one of the neighbors. Yeah. Opposed that one. So they dug in all the areas. They find all five spots. They brought all these equipment in to dig gently and all that kind of thing.

On the 24th of January, they unearthed three plastic bags filled with human remains at a wooded area along Richardson Drive. On the 25th, they found the final bag of remains buried at a wooded area along richardson drive on the 25th they found the final bag of remains buried in another wooded area but they're all like a mile or a mile two miles apart so he yeah driving distance he just went down the road that's about good i'll go in here bury some i'll go down there bury some so he made a day out of it that's nice they said they didn't positively identify her yet but it's in her yard it's pretty fresh we think it's her she's missing yeah it's yeah quote we believe we have all the remains of a single body and they're going to do dna testing um but he said this is as bad as it gets they also

said they found at least one cutting instrument that they believe was used to dismember nancy and um that was probably the hacksaw, I believe, they found. So he starts to recover James in the hospital from his antifreeze hangover. And he's taken to jail, obviously, when he recovers. And the police or the prosecutor said, this was just great police work. Well, yeah. Come on, guys. They interrogated him until he cracked because he's a moron.

Then they let him drink antifreeze. You kept him in his living room. Yeah, this isn't great police work. Textbook, fellas. Real good job. Jesus. So they charge him with murder, obviously. First degree murder.

The lead investigator thought he was going to die. Because for a while they said he's probably going to die. He had like a small chance of survival from this whole thing when he was on the ventilator. The lead investigator said he almost went down. They had to put him on a ventilator. Yeah. He got a half a bottle of Prestone in him, you guys. What the fuck?

What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, you can't do that. Jesus Christ. Remember, if your car leaks and there's a little bit on the driveway you can't keep the dog away from it jesus christ he can't lick the remnants off the driveway what do you think half a bottle what does to the human body wow can't be good for you so uh they said that this is annoying the lead investigator said we believe we know what the motive was but we're not saying right now well then don't fucking say anything about that.

Keep it to yourself. They said, well, we know all we'll say is she's strangled in her bedroom, dismembered in her bathroom, placed in six plastic bags and buried all over the place. Because the prosecutor had worked with the public defender that was assigned to Motes, and they didn't want there to be any kind of appearance of conflict. Let's not fuck this up. Unlike our small-town murder, the full-length one from this week, where it was like the judge's cousin, four of the prosecutor's friends, his ex-girlfriend from high school. He still bangs sometimes on the weekends. It was crazy. They just interrupted a barbecue and said and said hey you 13 want to be a part of this he's like sure the barbecue was at the prosecutor's backyard um so they said they're going to have a psychological workup to make sure he's not

bonkers because you know this is a weird thing to do yeah this is bad so they find he's sane and sober and ready to go so may 2006 few months later he's going to he decides with advice from his attorney from what i understand was the main factor his attorney said you confessed you told them what you did they found him dismount the founder dismembered this isn't looking good i would say yeah so you might as well plead and it's a public defender who's like we're not gonna you know they're not looking for trials public defenders so they get him to plead guilty to first degree murder which what if i'm charged with first degree murder we're taking the ride you know what i'm saying we're gonna talk about second or we're going to try we're going

to chill what am i i'll just sit there with my thumb up my ass. But I'm going to waste everybody's time now because I'm not going to plead to the same thing that I would get if I the jury thought I was a bad guy. What are we talking about here? Maybe that's being selfish, but fuck that. Right. If I admit to this, you're going to give me a break here. I think I'm not planning on murdering anybody, but I'm just trying to put myself in that mindset. I do you and the taxpayers a favor.

You do a favor for me. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What the hell here? I'll just sit in the room. I mean, I get it. Bars, three meals, whatever. Yeah, I'm not getting out. Fine.

But let's talk about how bad I'm condemned. Let's talk about a break here. So he has to admit he strangled her with a cord, got her body, did all that stuff that we just discussed talked about here he said it took him 12 hours to dismember her and then six days to put her into packaging work man um so he uh he said tina the daughter came by as he was in the middle of dismembering nancy stop it she came by in mid dismemberment he is hacksawing something off of her and he hears at the fucking door oh so he answered the door he cleaned himself up he

answered the door he just kept her from going into the guest bathroom shit just wouldn't let her in there and uh because you know the mother was half dismembered in the bathtub at the time um she said but my mom's car is in the driveway and then reported her missing also her body's in the tub holy fuck so um yeah he said he had moved with nancy from las vegas he moved from las vegas to her home about three months before he killed her. They said, why would you do this? Just because she was mean to your niece? That doesn't seem... What did she do to the poor girl? He said,

well, she also threatened to shoot or beat up our mother. What? So he said that he would lie awake at night worrying that she might carry out the threat. Now, also, he would dig holes and burn fires in the middle of the night.

But he said that he couldn't sleep because he was so scared that Nancy was going to hurt or kill their mother. So, then they asked him in court, why did you dismember her then? And he said, to hide my crime quote unquote that's not good that's that sounds that's real bad that's the exact thing they want you to say because that the prosecutor would have been like why'd you cut her up to hide my crime to hide your wait that's what he said never mind all right i was trying to see you saw what i was going with that right but yeah he's right he's right. He's right. Okay.

Nevermind. It's pretty good. All right. Nevermind. He understands what's going on. He said he drank antifreeze. Cause they go, why'd you drink antifreeze afterwards?

He said, I just couldn't live with what I'd done. He said, it wasn't the pressure from the investigators. It was my own guilt for what I did. And they said, well, why did you choose to confess? And his reason is, and this is hilarious because when they came over, they're

there for a few hours. When they got there, he didn't want to confess at all. But a few hours later, he said he, quote, got with God. So three hours to get with him. He had a full religious conversion in the three hours it took for the prosecutors to get there and or investigators to get there question him and him decide that the only way to go to heaven is to repent so he atoned in his own head because he didn't do it you know i mean he's not vocally atoning oh no no no but he had to admit all this shit's going on in his head this is all there's gods and antifreeze bottles dancing around and fucking holes and fires going on. Dragons are coming out of the wall. There's a lot of shit going on in this guy's head.

There's a real party going on. They're asking where's the circus. It really is. There's a whole lot going on under the surface. It's a goddamn circus. He is all subtext, my friend. He said he was sorry for what he put his family through and he said this is a great line too for a murderer who did what he did this is hilarious uh quote i wish i'd have gone about

things in a different way that's an understatement probably yeah you mean have a talk with her oh man just have to talk leave you know i don't like her I'm leaving. So they asked him why he went to such lengths to conceal the crime if he was so remorseful. And he said, being tried for murder is not what I consider remorse. I don't know what that means. That was Motz's answer. Being tried for murder is not what I consider remorse. I don't understand that. It makes no sense.

Sir? The last word is the part that ruins the whole thing. Yeah. I have shoes with blue laces. That means as much as that. What are we talking about? What just happened in your head, man? Now, the real reason ends up coming out through the family of kind of what the whole point was apparently

she tried to change the locks nancy did so he couldn't get into the main part of the house where she lived she tried to isolate him in a part of the house and uh also at that after that the same day she made a threat by telephone to her mother the mother confirms that she physically threatened nancy physically threatened her over the phone and then said something unpleasant to the niece all on the same day. So he was so overwhelmed. The prosecutor said Mr. Motes parlayed that into taking a rope and wrapping it around her lady's neck and strangling her little little I would say a bit of an overstate over. You know, then he went on to describe the prosecutor how her son was killed. Since then, she took painkillers, sleeping pills, had severe depression.

And he said, quote, Miss Wingfield had a terrible life. Wow. That's the prosecutor. So in court, the other sisters come in here. They're siblings. You know, James and Nancy's sisters come in. Teresa Gregory is the first sister that talks, and she gives completely unlikely testimony. She gets on the stand, and you expect a teary-eyed, my poor sister.

She says, well, my sister was hateful and impossible to love. Jesus, Teresa. Well, my sister was hateful and impossible to love. Jesus, Teresa. Yep. She said that the slaying here was probably prompted by Nancy's rift with the family. She said she's hateful, difficult. She said that at that point, she said that she when her brother moved in with Nancy, she worried about her brother moving in there because Nancy's such an asshole that she thought Nancy was going to do something to James.

She said, quote, though I was not surprised she, or though, yeah, though, though I was not surprised she lost her life. I was surprised that James was the one that took it. I cannot comprehend the mental anguish that must have been inflicted on him

for him to do this. Oh, poor James. That's what she said. I'm the fucking Stan theresa then she said and you pointing at james's attorney and said you're a fucking idiot for not taking this trial this to trial you fucking lazy asshole my sister drove him to this he should have went to trial because trust me we'd all testify what a bitch she is so take that wow then they said well what kind of a

sentence do you think he should get and she said quote i would like him to see i would like to see him walk free myself he did us all a christmas favor fuck nancy and she got off the stand that's her sister this is didn't expect Didn't expect that, everybody, did you? You expected the typical, my poor sister, she was a light of everybody's eyes and all that. No. Bitch. Huge bitch.

Huge bitch. Just a horrible bitch. She only got 55 years. Horrible bitch. Teresa, Christ. My opinion, 20 too many. Could have done without her years ago. Bitch. Justrible bitch. Teresa Christ. My opinion, 20 too many. Could have done without her years ago. Bitch. Just a bitch.

That's what her sister says. Since her son died, she's a real asshole. Just turned into a real twat. Not dealing with her. So, my brother strangled her in her sleep. She wasn't even, it wasn't self-defense. In her sleep, then cut her into 19 pieces and buried her all over the county but he should go free myself because he did us all a

favor the last thing she said was james is not a bad person but everybody's buttons can be pushed in other words anybody in here would have killed her because she's that much of an asshole is what she said nancy gave him a secluded area of the house to himself for a while sounds pretty not granted whatever she says some shitty things here and there get out of her house then yeah leave you moved here you came 2 000 miles for this you gotta really want it to get there this ain't your house so he's got to get on the stand because it's a sentencing hearing. And he says he killed her because she was controlling and threatening. He said she often left home for days at a time, leaving him worried that she would return while he slept and carry out one of her threats against him. He said, like, I was he's basically using like a battered wife defense.

Yeah. Like, that's kind I was he's basically using like a battered wife defense. Yeah. Like, that's kind of what he's saying. Like, I never knew when she was going to come home and hurt me in my sleep and hurt my mother and hurt. This is what exactly what a domestic victim would say. They said, why'd you kill her? And he said, quote, I knew I couldn't stay there no more. She controlled me. She kept me up all night.

Paper plates and tinfoil. Wow. Just paper plate. That's all I ever ate off them bad paper plates it ain't no good man a man can only take so many times when you're eating something and the fork just plunges right through the plate you know i can't do it no more man not even chynette not even chynette got pork parking beans all over my good pants i don't know what to do got parking beans all up on my good pants i don't know what i'm right on the crotch for christ's sake that's never coming jesus christ now it looks like i might jizz some kind of brown liquid this ain't gonna work i gotta get rid of these i shit out the wrong hole i didn't take the pants off

for a for a something in the ass that's it you see how it works right right feller he said i just couldn't live with what i'd done and uh yeah so the prosecutor said this uh the actions could be explained by a family feud he called the murder cold and calculating and he said that that he's that moats was acting in his own best self-interest there. He thought it was. So the judge comes in and definitely does not take into account any of the family members. Doesn't care what Teresa said. Doesn't give a shit.

She has two daughters, Nancy, who wept and hugged and didn't want their mother murdered. So there was people that weren't like, good, fuck her. Like the daughters were like, that's our mother and we love her. So the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off life in prison without the possibility of parole. Oh, boy. So shit out of luck he is there. Now, the daughters said on the way out, they asked. They didn't speak to their aunts, not surprisingly.

And the press asked them about what's up with you and your aunts. And they declined comment. They just said they're satisfied with the sentence and walked away together. They're classy about it. In 2020, James, due to his geriatric status at this point, which is anybody over 70. If you're over 70, that's how it works so and james with his due to his geriatric status here he is actually brought before the parole board and can get out of prison but he is not granted parole do you know why he's not granted parole

because i have the reason here no remorse they leave they leave all the reasons here no no it wasn't their decision quote no interest in parole he wants to stay in he went in and said no thanks where the fuck am i gonna go i'm 70 years old everybody's dead my family i'm a murderer i'm good here i'm fine i could stay at theresa's probably i mean probably nobody's there now he said i'll ride it out in here. Thanks. And that's where he is. And that is Collinsville, Virginia, everybody. Anti-freeze and CSI. And this is a fucking mess, man. Wow.

Wow. That's why I love Express. Ten pounds of lightning in a two pound bag right there. That is fucking poor Nancy. Yeah. Yeah. So what if she was a bitch possibly? Who gives a shit?

Or treated him badly? Maybe her sisters were assholes. We don't know. Maybe she didn't like them because they were jerks. Maybe she didn't like James because he's a fucking ne'er-do-well who gets arrested for beating up his wife and shit. Maybe that's why. Maybe have an open mind. Nancy seems funny.

She seems like she could have been probably pretty glib and cynical and funny. I think I probably would have gotten along with her. So there you go. There's Collinsville. If you like that, tell the world about it. It really helps when you do that. Give us five stars. Say something nice.

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