Small Town Murder - #352 - The Body On The Hill - Milpitas, California

Episode Date: January 14, 2023

This week, in Milpitas, California, a local group of teenagers known as "The Stoners" get together, and do exactly what you think they'd do. Until one day, when one of the group brutalizes another, and dumps the body into a ravine. Afterwards, the murderer starts taking other people out to see the body, while bragging about how the murder occurred. Over a dozen kids come out to look, poke the body with a stick, and even steal a radio station's patch off her discarded jeans. It's cold blooded & mind boggling, but finally someone tells the police!Along the way, we find out that this area has a very crispy smell, that you shouldn't bring your 8 year old brother to see a corpse, and that somehow, some people can be even more cold blooded after they commit the actual murder!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So there you go. Your stupid opinions coming soon. We cannot wait. There you go. So that said, let's sit back. It's time to get into this and hear about some terrible death. I think it's time to clear the lungs, climb out of your sunroof, stand on top of your

car like a lunatic, arms in the air, spread high, and shout, Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going all the way out to California. Hey!

The regular episode this week was Alabama. We're going from Alabamaabama to california we cover it all this is milpitas california do you know what this yeah milpitas milpita on us and it was bad um m-i-l-p-i-t-a-s and that's what they call it milpitas it's it's kind of it's milpitas it doesn't sound good stick close to penis milpitas is what it sounds like a milk it's milpitas over there you know like mil hollow or mil mil you know i got the old milpitas yeah mil this or that they call old things milpitas that's perfect so it's sort it's sort of part of San Jose now physically.

They've kept their own town government and all that. They've passed resolutions and all this shit. But now it's kind of part of San Jose. But it used to be a farming community. And this is when it was just kind of a suburb is when we're going to talk about it. It's much smaller. Right now there's 75,000 people there. But back in 1980 when our story

takes place there was about 37 000 people and it was considered like a nice quiet suburb town fucking booming now now it's booming yeah you know the real estate up there yeah so median income here right now 99 072 is the median family household income median home price though you're gonna need more than that because median home price here 1,273,300 so it's a fucking joke that's insane that's what i mean this is where like this is where like a bunch of tech workers live in above people's garages and shit this is that type of area so it's crazy history real quick here. The name, why Milpenus? Where'd that come from? Apparently, in 1857, they wanted to put a post office confessional building that served for the local Indians and ranchers in the area a while back.

And there was also the creek named after that, which was there. So the local farmer and assistant postmaster said it sounds too much like penitentiary. Right. We don't want to be penitentiary California. That's terrible. Instead, we'll name it after a penis. We'll have everyone confuse it for a guy named Mills penis instead. So Mills Lane penis it was. And there was a rancho milk milk penis. And then that's was one of the farmers property. So he said, we'll name it milk penis township. And that's where they did so it's clearly a spanish name right yeah yeah it was some yeah it was some guy's branch uh lvco was his name or lvso was his name so it served as a rest stop for travelers on the oakland san jose highway and they had a nice hotel here for a few years and shit like that. The first murder in Milpitas was committed in the early 1860s

in Rathbone Saloon, and the murderer escaped, was never caught. The first one, they didn't even get him. Didn't even get him. Reviews of this town. Oh, boy, so much fun here. Let's see. Here's five stars for this one. Hiking the old Calaveras Road both in summer and winter is the best, especially in the morning because the air is very crispy.

All righty. Crispy? Crisp is different. Yeah. Crispy sounds like there's like crumbs and grease in it and shit. Yeah. Sounds like there's a saturated fat content. It's real nice around the time that when you're finished hiking you feel like a mozzarella stick.

It's kind of like a ruffle, you know what I mean? Around sunset hours, the view is best and if you were feeling brave enough, the night view is fantastic. Brave enough that you can get shanked in the back by a what's happening out there? There's a lot of cows

although it's caution not to feed or touch them. Yeah. The cows are known to be very dangerous. You don't want to, they'll come right after all animals. They'll come right after you, Jimmy.

No, no. Uh, it's a fairly safe town, but of course not completely free of crime. All right. Okay. Um, four stars.

It's a short one. Schools should receive more funding. Fair. The overall area is pretty safe safe but it can be a bit smelly here which is not what i expected when it's that's when it's crunchy or that's when it gets crispy when it's smellier that sounds like a mad lib it's a bit smelly here um four stars i love that milpitas is so ethnically diverse. I've always felt at home living there. However, there's not much to do around the city for a teenager. And in the evening,

you can catch a whiff from the landfill. I think we're starting to explain the night air here. Ew. Yeah, that's the night air. That's why it's crispy. Smell trash juice. What? There's a lot going on here. Here's three stars. I moved to Milpitas about three months ago from San Jose. It's nice. I'd say there's an unusual amount of clothes scattered about the streets. What a strange detail. I don't know if you see a hoodie over there and just like a 2T pair of kids jeans. I don't know.

Just some shit. There's an unusual amount. Really weird. That doesn't detract too much from its cleanliness, however. Must be clean clothes. I don't know. Just some shit. Just an unusual amount. Really weird. That doesn't detract too much from its cleanliness, however. Must be clean clothes. I don't know. I like the abundance of shopping centers and restaurants. There's not much commute time.

He says also, what I'd like to see change is the garbage situation. Apparently there's an issue with the garbage there. Yeah, you can fucking smell it. You can smell it. It makes the air crispy and smelly here's two stars milpitas is a very disgusting place to live that's very direct i would say yeah if you walk around milpitas the air smells like dump because of the dumpster nearby somewhere it's a town of dumpster milpitas america's dumpster the fuck is happening cry the dumpster nearby somewhere it's always right there crime is very high and not a lot

of diversity so the opposite of what the last few people said homeless people are invading the area um parachuting in it's wild it's you know those paratrooper homeless people they come in like like a halftime at the super bowl yeah they get like 50 of them at a time come in bindles hanging off them uh the only good thing about milpitas is that the schools are good other than that a disgusting and outrageous place to live outrageous this air is outrageously crispy. Disgusting. I love this place. This place is crazy. It's impossible. Things to do here is the Santa

Clara Art and Wine Festival. Okay. And just quickly, here is a couple of the bands that are going to be, quote, rocking the stage. Country Cougars. Gee, wonder what that is. A bunch of frosty haired 48- old women you think probably divorced singing reba i like them bunch of divorced women who

very frosty with that sparkly eye shadow i picture it's it's very it's a very soft name it's not it's not a bunch of gretchen wilson i'll tell you that i don't know i don't know she's she's like a more in your face country singer i don't know who that is she's gonna be softer i gotcha okay um east side funk will be there that seems like it's very contrasting east side not uptown Uptown. Not Uptown, Eastside. Yeah, come on. Jesus Christ. The peelers will be there. Don't know what that is. The spasmatics will be there.

Hey. That sounds like a medical diagnosis, but they're going to be there. I don't know what they do. They keep talking about having Polish sausage there, so maybe the sausage is great. And something called, this is food, Texas Snowballs, which I don't want to know what that is. It feels like they just, they take all comers. Anybody that wants to perform or sell their wares, come out. Come on out. What do you got, Texas Snowballs?

Sure. What are you, a bunch of old ladies? You can't even play instruments? Fuck it. Put on your eye shadow and get out there. No problem. The country cougars. A bunch of guys shaking around

let's go let's do it come on god damn it that said let's talk about a murder what do you say this is crazy stuff we got to go back in time jimmy back to the time of of mullets and uh denim jackets getting out of long camaros let's just put it that way. You know what I'm talking about here. Yeah, the long front ends on these things. Yeah, you know that model. You know, is it like the post-75, like the 76 through the 84? It looks like it has a lot of legroom. A lot of hood in that car. A lot of hood to those cars.

12-foot hood. 12-footer, baby, and no ass end. So this is 1981, and Milpitas at this point is described this way locally. Quote, Milpitas itself has the newly minted feel of a once small farming community that burgeoned into a factory town with the coming of an auto plant and is now belatedly becoming part of Silicon Valley. It is now belatedly becoming part of Silicon Valley, starting startling air to the boom. Oh, no. Starting their air to the boom of the electronics industry. I misspelled that. So. So it's it's it's a it's a sleepy place that's starting to get grow very quickly and does grow very quickly. So let's talk about some people who are growing very quickly as well. People who are growing very quickly as well.

Let's talk about Mark Falkes. Fowl. F-O-W-L-K-E-S is his name. Fowlkes. Fowlkes. It's not a great name. He's 17 years old, Mark is. Let's see here.

He's a local stoner. He's a local burnout, basically. He a you know denim jacket they go to the edge of the woods to smoke weed and you know minus kind of the 80sness of it what we did essentially yeah yeah put baggy jeans on them and and you know play wu-tang in the background you pretty much have the same two silver herringbone chains and double t-shirts. Yeah, just replace Black Sabbath with Wu-Tang, and there you go. Deal. Done.

Same Blacklight posters probably, though. That's the other thing. Same shit there. Same Led Zeppelin IV poster. The bedroom hasn't changed, just the guy in it. Just the guy in it, yeah. Maybe the lava lamp is gone. So he grew up with a young lady, Marcus 17.

He grew up with Marcy Renee Conrad. Marcy Marcy. Marcy Marcy. She's 14 years old, Marcy. They grew up together and hung out together when they were kids, despite their obvious three-year age difference. She seems to hang out with that group of kids. The older group, yeah. She's's in ninth grade but in junior high it's one of those high junior highs that's goes to ninth grade and then 10th 11th and 12th is high school so she's in ninth grade most of her friends are juniors in

high school so two grades ahead of her yeah and a lot of that i think comes from mark here who yeah they hung out as kids the gap but marcy's still cool as shit yeah we'll hear about marcy's cool as shit yeah marcy wears uh a weed leaf necklace in 1981 like yeah i would have been if i was 14 i'd have been smitten with marcy man because i would have been like yeah we're gonna go smoke weed in the woods together this is gonna be great this is gonna be uh she can roll blunts man, man. She just, you know, with her nails, she just cracks it, dude. She cuts it open. It's crazy.

She's good, man. She's good. Some nails. So Marcy, though, she's originally from Wisconsin. Oh. She is from Bloomer, Wisconsin is where she was born. There is a place in Wisconsin called Bloomer. Bloomer.

Called Bloomer. I was going to say, judging by by I don't know where that is. I don't know if a wider underwear is required in this area. And that's why it's spread from there. I don't know. But she's from there. Her and her family moved to California when she was three. So here she is.

And she goes to Russell Junior High School. And she used to play with Mark when they were little. And then the summer before, they were dating, which he's 16, she's 13. That's – I don't like 13. You know what I'm saying? I don't like three years here. Two is okay because he's probably – Two's pushing it even.

Two's pushing it, but two grades in high school is a senior and a sophomore junior and a friend i don't know that's you can't if you put them in the same bowl they're gonna swim together you know what i'm saying you have to kind of and teenage boys are super are morons and maybe he's maybe he's 14 and she's 15 in age whatever but 17 and i don't like 16 and 13. That's too. That's creepy to me. I don't like that.

He can drive. Right. She's like mid puberty. I don't like that shit at all. That's not OK to me. Yeah, I think. But I wasn't. I mean, the eight the senior dating a sophomore.

You laughed at that guy. That's a creep. That's a weird. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody did. But people did it, though. I mean, and no one was like oh he's a pedophile though no that wasn't a word no most of the time it was they had a class together if you put people in us in literally in the same

classroom together you're telling them your peers you can fuck right that's just how it is so you know not that i'm approving of it but i think that's kids aren't thinking, oh, she's too young if they're in the same class. But this girl, 13, I don't like it. I don't like that. No. I don't think a 13-year-old should be kissing anybody. That's where I'm at. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.

Dating? What are you dating? No. Stay home. Yeah. No. Dating implies way too much. Yeah, especially with this group.

Especially, you know, she's wearing a weed leaf necklace. She's worldly, you know, a little bit. I'm not saying she's going around doing stuff. I'm just saying she's not playing with Barbie dolls. She's looking to do grown-up shit. Yeah, she's not playing with Barbies. She wants to hang out and smoke weed in the woods like these kids do. So they broke up, though, the year before this.

In 1980, they broke up, though, the year before this. In 1980, they broke up. So he ends up – they were together. They were from the same neighborhood, these two, Marcy and Mark. It's a nice neighborhood, too. It's described as a quiet, well-kept neighborhood whose houses are worth $2 million now probably even though they're three-bedroom, two-bath raised ranches that are 1,600 square feet. Yeah, they used to always kind of hang out in the same circles. When he was a Cub Scout, her mother was the den mother of his Cub Scout troop. So they're just – they know each other very well since they were kids.

They know each other very well since they were kids. So apparently she was trying to, according to her parents, Marcy at this point is trying to, quote, get her life together at 14. She's a mess already. Smoking too much weed or whatever it is. But she's very much into writing poetry. She has books of poetry that she writes. So that's her thing. She's a thinker. Yeah, she gets stoned into writing poetry. She has, like, books of poetry that she writes. So that's her thing. She's a thinker.

Yeah, she gets stoned into Buzz poetry. So good for her. All of her friends, too, say that they're, like, really good poems. They're not, like, kid poems. They're like, holy shit, this sounds like out of a poetry book. That's fucking – Yeah, they all say, like, you know, she's good at this shit. So anyway, she's attending class and doing all that. And the junior high

and the high school are right across the street from each other too which yeah that's that's you know there's going to be some cross streams going together too long you're crossing the streams there i don't like that my high school and my middle school were directly next door to each other oh yeah that's right yeah yeah my son went to yeah yeah that's too close the middle school there so it's too close. My son went to, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's too close. He went to middle school there. That's too close. They're right next door to each other. Yeah, they can finger each other through the fence.

It's right there. You can stick your arm right through that thing. Come on, baby. Yeah. It's not even chain link. It's those bars. So there's plenty of room for it. That's right.

That's right. They're five inches apart. It's crazy. You can go crazy, man. It's too close. So these two are a part of a group of kids that hang out. And the group of kids in high school, everybody, and this is a very creative moniker that the other kids have given them and that they call themselves. They are known as, you ready for this, Jimmy?

Oh, boy. The stoners. Very. See how creative that is they really went out on a limb and you like to see kids reach into that part of their brain and get that creativity flowing and just kind of the stoners man so what you're saying is it's the same clicks 10 years later when i went yeah it's that's yeah we were all the stars 18 years later for christ later, for Christ's sake. Yeah, 10. Jesus. Yeah, we weren't in high school in 1991. But yeah, it's the same kids.

Stoners stuck around. These are the headbanger version of us. But for weed, we'd end up hanging out. We'd buy the weed from each other. We'd end up somewhere together on Saturday. Yeah, that's one thing about legalization of weed. It's going to stop a lot of cross-pollination of groups in high school. There was a lot of times where you'd be hanging out with people and going, none of us belong together.

None of us. You're on the soccer team. This kid just got out of jail. This one did that. This one's over here. Yeah. This is a blonde girl whose parents think she's at the library. And we're all together.

Why weed? She's getting fingered by the library. And we're all together. Why weed? She's getting fingered by the kid who just got out of jail. This is this is the whole thing's crazy. Yeah. The kids that smelled bad were around us and we didn't know why. We knew. Now, November 3rd, 1981. Marcy's mother reports her as a runaway oh says she ran away calls the cops describes her

as a runaway which according to the family wasn't so unusual because she's run away a bunch of times before so it's not unusual for marcy to run away so if marcy's doesn't come home they're like oh but marcy's late let's call the cops she's probably a runaway it's kind of where her family's at and she's 14 so if she's out of out of pocket you probably want to know where she is yeah and if she's if she's disappeared a few times i think 10 minutes is a pretty good window to start yeah she probably she probably she ran away yep she's gone so she ended up what she did on november 3rd was skipped her classes, skipped the last few periods of the day, so she could hang out with a guy she knows here, a local kid who's part of the stoner group.

Now, his name is Anthony Jacques Broussard. Oh. Jacques. Anthony. Jacques. And then all French. Jacques Broussard. He goes by Jacques, too.

He does? Yeah, which you probably just go by Tony, right? I mean, what are we talking about here? I don't know. If you're trying to make the whole French thing your personality, I think Broussard is French. Yeah, I guess it gives you. Anthony Broussard? That doesn't sound good.

He's like a 6'4", 280-pound black kid. So I don't think he's like walking around with a beret on and a cigarette extender. I think that's Tony. You know, that a beret on and a cigarette extender. No, I think that's Tony. You know, that's Tony Broussard there. Yeah. You know, like, if it was me, I wouldn't be Jacques either. I'd be fucking Tony Broussard.

I'd especially be Tony. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Forget it. Unless he's a foreign exchange student actually from France. Nope. Then you go by Jacques Broussard and you speak French. No. Oh, that's one of the things, too, about this town, too, is there is no racial tension in this town because there's an auto plant and everybody's parents work at the auto plant and they all work together.

So it's kind of like, you know, oh, you don't be don't be racist toward that kid because I go to lunch with his dad. So it's one of those deals. He brings a hell of a sandwich. Yeah. So the stoner group is, you know, they don't give a shit. There's no it's never never comes up what race anybody is they don't care so um now anthony jock here jock is 16 years old he's a junior at milpitas high he is mark's best friend oh so marcy's ex-boyfriend's best friend they hang out all the

time um he has mark has has known Jacques since kindergarten. They've grown up together. They've always been best friends. And a lot of the kids around here aren't really close to Jacques, though. But Mark is very close to him. He's known as Jacques, a gentle, kind of likable, just kind of easygoing guy. 6'4", 280, kind of an easy going laid back kind of a cat damn it that's so big like a lot of guys who are that like it's like our you know

josh it's like josh you know he's a big he's not that heavy but he's a big guy and you and he's just a friendly you know calm nice guy and people like otherwise you're super afraid of that guy and you're taught any anybody who's ever been bigger as a kid is taught immediately to not to seem aggressive to smaller kids. We say that all the time with NBA centers. They're like, why aren't they aggressive? Because they've been told their whole life not to be aggressive because they're a foot taller than everybody else. They're told to calm it down, let Timmy win too sometimes. They've been told to chill out.

So he – his friend said that – this is an understatement here, one of his close friends said, you know, I knew him since he was little, too, and he was a nice, happy-go-lucky kid. And then he said that he, quote, seemed a little strange ever since he came home at eight years old from elementary school and found his mother dead in the shower. That'll do it. it yeah that'll make you a little strange probably after that this whole sense we're whole demeanor changed really walked in number one when you're eight you don't want to see your mom nude really no anyway but to go mom mom mom and then she's oh she's in the shower and you know you play a video game or something probably not him because that would have been in the seventies, but you're hanging out in there and fucking, you know,

whatever, reading a magazine. You're like, wow, she's been in there a long time. It's a long shower knocking. She's not answering. And then you find your mom dead in a heap with the,

that's crazy. You know, that's a, that's a traumatic thing here. So, um, they were anyway, that's,

that's who she went to hang out with. Marcy went to hang out with Jacques. So, uh, nice, gentle, kind of a little bit weird guy essentially. So that ends up going on. Marcy is reported a runaway. And the next day, November 4th, Jacques is at the local arcade playing pinball. There's a pizza – it says pizza slash arcade on a

big sign so it's you want to be there 1981 that was the fucking spot you had you had roller skating to that and you would have had to keep kids away with fucking tear gas because they would have been charging the place yeah it would have been over fire code every week the guy getting rid of them at the end of the night will be exhausted trying to shoo them away. What a great goddamn place. So on the 4th of November, they're all hanging out. This is Mark. This is Jacques and two other kids here. Epperson is the one kid and Hanson is the other kid. All right. So Jacques is like, I got a secret.

I got a secret. He keeps telling him I got a secret. And they're like, what's your goddamn secret? We're bored. It's 1981. None of us have anything to look at. So we're all out of quarters. So what's the secret?

We got anything. And he said, OK, OK, I'll tell you. And Jacques says, you want to see a dead body? Oh, Jacques. And they're like, get the fuck out of here. You don't have a dead body. So they thought he was joking around because he's a jokester sometimes. And they're all a bunch of, they're all cutting up and joking around and fucking off.

And they watch horror movies. And they're like 80s headbanger kids. So they think, oh, God, he's just being a scumbag. then jock said no really you want to see a dead body he said i just killed marcy and they're like get the fuck out of here no you didn't you didn't kill marcy why would you kill marcy mark that yeah he told he told there he told all three of them that there's three kids there epperson hansen and falx are all there. Hey, guys, I killed his ex. Want to see it? Yeah.

Want to see? I just killed our friend. You want to see him? You want to see her? Also, yeah, she's a friend of his. She's part of the group. Yeah, they all know who she is. They all know her.

So they go, you didn't fucking kill her. You're crazy. And they're like, how'd you do it then if you did it? If you killed her, what'd you do? Did you shoot her? Like, what's going on? Yeah. He said, no. I was at my father's house and we were hanging out she skipped some classes came

over to hang out and we got in an argument over quote either sex or remarks that marcy had made about his mother one of the so usually small 14 year old girls start talking shit about large guys dead mothers that's usually how they get shit on they're like your mother's a bitch yo what's up yo she's a fuck yeah that's right i know she's dead fuck that i went and pissed on her grave motherfucker yeah like there's probably not a 14 year old kid from wisconsin who says that often to someone three times their size too much herbal essence in the shower and come to death she came out blazing guns blazing talking some shit so he said that he uh strangled her in response to that strangled her up he said on the couch on a couch at the

house uh there he said then he threw her into his father's pickup truck and went and dumped her on a hillside over there near the calaveras reservoir so yeah there's there it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied.

Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes.

You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. He said, yeah, she was wearing a brown tank top and white socks. I threw her in there. Nothing else. Dumped her in there. Dumped her into the gully. She stripped down into a brown tank top, white socks, and started insulting my mother.

Well, usually that's what you do. Here's my ass. Let me tell you why your mother's a whore. That's usually how it is. They said, well, why is she only in a tank top and socks and he goes oh because i raped her first did i mention that too yeah i mean why strangle you might as well get your money's worth right and they're just like now they think he's you're bullshit they were believing him ridiculous things until he's like yeah i raped her of course

since they're like you raped and strangled marcy. Yeah, right. Like, no, you didn't. That's fucking crazy. So he said, no, really. I dumped her. It's an oak-lined gully near a – it's near where kids go to make out and finger each other. That's what it is. There's a lover's lane up there. You don't know where it is. Yeah.

You know where it is in the hills outside of town, which now has houses on it that are $4 million, I'm sure. But at one point, there was teenagers fucking blowing each other there. Doing horrible things there. Yeah. You know how it goes. So he said, there was teenagers fucking blowing each other there. Doing horrible things there. Yeah. You know how it goes. So he said, yeah, no, I took her there and dumped her off and that's how it goes. You want to see her? I'll take you there.

Oh, boy. So they're like, huh? What are you talking about? So he does. And this spreads, too, because they tell other people that one guy, John Hanson, who's in this group of four, who's three people who's listening to him. He told an oil company employee that he knows who's some other 18 year old kid. And they were like, no bullshit. So then they went out to ride out and see her, too.

Yeah. But this particular at the arcade in the parking lot, they still don't believe Broussard here. They don't believe Broussard here. They don't believe Jacques. And Mark Foulkes said, I bet five bucks it ain't real as they're walking to the car to go see it. Yeah, he's like, I bet five bucks he's full of shit. You know, they're kids. So Hanson said they jumped into Jacques' white pickup truck. He said, tore ass down.

Jacques white pickup truck. He said, tore ass down. He said he was really going fast for some reason, going through these country roads. Cause it was still country roads out there toward Calaveras reservoir. And as they're going, Jacques is pointing out artifacts along the road that belong to Marcy. Oh,

look, there's Marcy's purse. See it there. And there's a purse on the ground. Oh, look, there's her, the passenger side of the vehicle.

Yeah. If you look out the passenger side of the vehicle. Yeah. If you look out the passenger side of the vehicle, you'll see a deceased middle schooler's trapper keeper. See that? And that's literally what was there. There's her binder. And they were like, what the fuck? Like, they're seeing a purse and a binder. Like, why would these things be there?

He was the only one who would know. Yeah, they're like, this is crazy. They also see her clothes. Her jeans are up at the top of the hill, just sitting there near the road, which is crazy, too. Five bucks. Pay up, sucker. Five bucks. Well, still, who knows?

You might have planned. This might be a big, giant, elaborate prank. Who knows? This might be this guy. Maybe he's coming out of his shell, comedy-wise, and this is his version of funny. We don't know. Solid prank. It would be a solid prank if it was real.

If like they were like, yeah, no. And like he put, you know, something down there and then Marcy popped out from behind a tree and was like, boom, motherfuckers. They ran away. That'd be awesome. That your friend was a murderer. You're so dumb. That'd be so cool there. If this was a prank and Marcy was in on it, that'd be awesome.

But instead, Mark Falk said, quote, I knew it was her from her clothes. I just said, take me home. All I could think about was Jacques is in trouble now. Like, oh, boy, he's fucked. So you're around a murderer right now. You're not safe. You should probably worry about that. That's an issue.

Right now, you're not safe. You should probably worry about that. That's an issue. The Epperson guy, he says he didn't get very close to the body and concluded that it was a mannequin. He was like, it's a fucking mannequin. You know, what is he talking about? That's that's a mannequin because she's she's she's pretty white anyway. And now she's extra pale from being dead.

So he's like, it's fucking it's a mannequin. Obviously, I'm not I don't believe that shit. So now the rumors are spreading all around. And another kid said he went to see it because he heard that Marcy was out there, but he also heard that it's a mannequin. So it's the town mystery now. You know what I mean? How many times has it been a mannequin? It's always a body. It usually is a body. Sometimes it is a mannequin it's always a body it usually is a body sometimes it is a mannequin that's the scary part how many times have you seen a mannequin

outside of a store it's a body every once in a blue it's a mannequin i have seen that but usually it's probably not more times than not it's a fucking body but they think that he's playing a trick on them with a mannequin. That's how it is. But this one kid here, Leffler is his name, he says that, quote, but when I slid down the hill and looked at it, it was obviously a real body. Mike lifted up the plastic bag. She was white and stiff, but she was real. Yeah.

So then they go back to see a second time. Falks brings his eight-year-old brother Matthew with him. What are they doing? Why are you bringing an eight-year-old to the scene? What is this? You're going to ruin that kid now. Come on. Hey, you know what?

This guy got all fucked up from seeing a dead body when he was eight. Let's see what it does to you, Chief. We're going to do a real hands-on experiment. This guy made another one after he saw one. So let's see if it works jesus christ um so uh hansen stayed in the car with matthew the little brother and they didn't get out to look closer but even from the roadway hansen said it looked pretty real to me god damn it so they uh driving back they spotted what they thought was a police car, and they were like, go, go.

They were trying to get out of there real fast just in case. It wasn't a police car at the time. There's another person coming to see. Yeah. They drop Epperson and Hanson off at the pinball arcade again, and Mark Falks goes home. He says he just went in his room and turned the radio on and fell asleep without dinner. Oh, boy. He's really.

Yeah. Real distraught. Real distraught guy. So the next day. Yeah. The next day is which is crazy. Mark said that he went over to Jacques house to hang out with him. And then he just killed a chick.

You want to hang? Where's the part where he calls the cops? No that's the crazy part you're gonna hear about 13 people come to see the body and none of them call the cops that's the thing what yeah it's it's fuck man it's just teenagers being like well i don't know if no one's gonna call i guess i'm not gonna call it's a weird group paralysis that happens with people it's weird that. That's mind boggling. Mobs can cause people to do crazy shit and not do anything. Yeah. And there's also a thing with and this is an actual psychological thing where if people are in a group and something bad happens, they assume someone else is going to do something about it or has done something about it.

And they don't and they'll actually won't do shit. Whereas if there's two people around, they'll help. If there's 20, no one will do a thing. It's fucking weird. What the shit? It's just a psycho. Dude, our brains are so weird. Is this a herd mentality if we need somebody to tell us what to do?

Our brains are so pre-programmed with weird shit that we don't even realize that it has. It's so strange. We need something, yeah. So at that point, he goes over to hang out at the murder scene at Jacques house there. And he said that Jacques showed him the couch in his house where he strangled Marcy. It's not even like I'm coming over and we're not talking about it. It's coming up.

He's like, this is where I did it. Check it out, bro. Like, isn't this cool? And Mark Falk said, I thought, here i am sitting in the same room three feet away from where this chick was killed very spicoli of this kid by the way this is this is this is spicoli i mean it actually is him so mark said he couldn't tell his parents though his mom's a nurse his dad's an electronics worker they're very stable middle class people he said because you know the quote i don't relate to them i don't i don't give a shit if you and your parents are on different wavelengths bro and they don't understand me or my music and all that

kind of shit there's a dead girl who cares they can relate to that i bet and it's your ex-girlfriend you've known her since yes she said you know her mother since you were a child. You've had chocolate milk with her. Another girl, Debbie, here. Debbie accompanies this Kirk Rasmussen guy out there on one trip. People keep taking trips out there. You want to go see the body again? There's people that go back and forth five times.

back and forth five times. This time, this Debbie girl, who's also 14, by the way, cut off a patch off of Marcy's jeans, discarded jeans. It was a patch from a radio station, either KSJO or KOME. Those are the hard rock stations.

We're assuming it was one of those. And took the radio, took the patch off her jeans, cut it it off cut it out of her jeans there um kirk rasmussen also covers the body up with a bag of leaves that he brought to cover it all up to to quote give jacques a head start what the hell is happening they're this isn't the mafia this is a loosely knit group of kids who are only hanging out together because they all like weed. He cleaned up the front yard and brought the clippings?

He brought it out there? Yeah, he brought some leaves just to cover it up, man. Put some sticks on it. So they keep going back. Hanson, the Hanson guy, was another one of, he kept going back and looking at the bodies more than once. Looking at the body more than once. He led a bunch of friends to the scene because he had told people about it who said, bullshit.

And he said, I'll take you there. Dave Leffler is 16. He's one of them there. He said he touched Marcy's arm to make sure it was real. Another guy, Mike Irvin, not the cowboy wide receiver but a different one mike irvin came out there and did blow off the body he came down there right off the ass cheek he said oh this poor girl he said that he got he went down to the body and prodded it with a downed roadway marker like poked at her how did none of these kids possess the decency to be like dude we know her this is crazy holy

shit that's marcy this is fucked up we know her parents they're probably sad this is bad um leffler says he recalls being shaken and saying that's somebody's daughter down there but hansen the other guy who had bet him a joint that it was real as Hanson said I bet you a joint it's real and Leffler said bullshit it's not I'll take that bet now that they got there Leffler lost the bet so Hanson just wanted him to collect his joint he was like fucking pony up bro pony up this kid's like shaking from seeing his dead friend and he's like what's up roll Come on, bro. It's time, man. This is terrible. You owe me one, man. You owe me a doobie, bro.

This is fucked up. Like all 81'd out. So many dickheads together. That's what I mean. This group of ne'er-do-well shitbags are giving stoners a terrible name, I gotta say. So they did that. Now, Leffler and Irvin, the other kid, Mike Irvin, said that they were going to go to the police and report the body being there. And Hanson and a kid named Robbie Engel said, no, no, no, you can't do that. That's we know the guy who did it.

That's crazy. So they did want to go to the police, Hanson and Engel. And instead, they returned to the school. Just go back to school. Leffler said, quote, John and Robbie were kind of hesitant. As far as we're concerned, it don't even exist, one of them said. Yeah. So we're just going to mind our own business.

There's minding your business and then there's this. This is ridiculous. You mind your business so you don't have to ignore things. Well, she's not somebody who is in half a Million to the Mafia gambling on college basketball and they dumped her over and go, hey, none of my business. She's a 14-year-old child. This is crazy.

Who's been fucking strangled to death on the couch of a kid. Don't forget raped first, too. Also that, yeah. Put that in there for whatever. So whatever that's worth, which is quite a bit. So Hanson said later

that all I could think of is if we all got caught up here they'd think we did it okay jesus christ and uh the angle kid said that it was bugging me but i didn't want to be involved i mean yeah it was fucked up and it was in my head but like you're already involved i gotta like talk to people and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, fuck that. But later on, he actually had a change of heart and told later on in the day, went and told his principal, Charles Parati, quote, I found a dead body. Told the principal. Told the principal. Didn't know where else to go.

He was at school. Told the highest authority figure who was around in the building right now. Okay. Who's the highest ranking adult that I have access to? The principal? Take me to him! Talk to the boss, to the boss, to the boss until he gets to the principal.

Until we get there. Now the problem is the body had, they're not the first person, the principal calls the police and the police say, oh yeah, we know about that already, we just got another call. Apparently it had already been reported

by irvin and leffler as well so the people who said they were going to report it actually did and uh yeah they went there irvin said that uh he told his friends if he had to do again he would report the body again but he would have done it anonymously this time so he went to the police station he said i should have just he went there ran in said, I should have just. He went there and ran in. He's like, should have just called. Body over here. Click. That would have been better.

Home alone voice thing. Hi. Hi. How you doing? Here is one of the kids that named David Gonzalez, who later on wrote a big thing about it in a tribute to Marcy, but describes what happens here. big thing about it uh in a tribute to marcy but describes what happens here so he says i'll just quote a lot from here under john's instructions mike stopped the car on the side of the road about 200 feet from the bottom marsh road was known to many teens that wanted a quiet place to hang out and party because it was nestled deep into the hills and a bit of a hard drive to get to the

cops rarely visited the road even the sun seemed to forget about this place in the broadest of daylight. It was quiet, dark, and damp, and there was a ravine that ran along the edge of the road that eventually crossed the bottom as you drove further down the road. Just to give you a mental picture. Dumped her in a place where the sun forgets about it. People dump like yard clippings and garbage out here. That's because no one goes here.

It's one of those places. He said, the ravine was dry and rocky that time of year, but I've seen it in the spring when water was flowing through it. I was the first one out of the car and I remember I shouted

quite profanely to John, okay, man, where is it? John reluctantly got out of the car and pointed down the hill off the edge of the road to the dry ravine. By that time, Mike was standing beside me, and we were both staring curiously at a small

pile of black garbage bags at the bottom of the hill. They didn't put leaves on. They put the garbage bags the leaves were in on top of her. So if you want to see her, look for the garbage bags. That's how it works. The whole bag? The whole bag. Nope. Well, the wind could take it then. So we'll just use these bags as a paperweight as a corpse weight here.

Now, Holy, he said we could slightly make out what seemed like it could be a mannequin partially exposed from underneath the bags, but it was hard to see from the road and down into the ravine. I had somewhat of a cast on my arm, somewhat of a cast soft cast. I don't know from the stabbing just a few weeks earlier.

He got stabbed a few weeks earlier. So I only had the use of my right arm as I made my way clumsily down the hill to get a closer look. About halfway down, I lost my footing. Jesus, this is a mess. And broke loose into a slide down the hill directly toward the bundle of bags I was aiming for.

With my leg and foot extended out in front of me all the way down i remember hitting her body as i came to a stop he slid down and down into her oh my god from the way her body slightly jolted after i hit her i quickly realized that this was no mannequin mike made his way down the hill right after me and i remember suddenly feeling like a child asking his mother to confirm what was going on. I remember Mike handling the shock much better than I was, and as I looked at him, he must have seen the vulnerability in my gaze because he said calmly, Dave, it's a body. Yeah, we know. I fucking touched it.

Jesus. He said, so there I was standing over Marcy as she lay on the ground in front of me. He said, so there I was standing over Marcy as she lay on the ground in front of me. I didn't know who she was at the time, but I remember looking down and not really wanting to look directly at her. I could see her jeans were off her body and they were kind of tossed off to her side. I remember seeing one of her tennis shoes as well. Her long brown hair was exposed and the white pale skin of her thigh, but I cannot remember if she was face down or face up. I don't think that I could have told you as I was standing there if she was face down or face up. It was as if all

the confidence in the world suddenly left my body and just this frozen, scared little kid was left standing there refusing to accept what was in front of him? That's OK. There were several there was several black garbage bags stuffed with leaves or something partially on top and around her, apparently in an effort to try to cover her up. Still not knowing exactly what to do or think. I remember screaming to John, what the fuck? Where is this Jacques guy? We need to go to the cops now. At the same time, deep in my mind, I remember that Jacques could still could still be on his way down there. And I must admit, I was a little scared at the idea that he might be coming. John replied as he knew what we were going to find that he had already decided what his involvement was going to be. And it was going to be I'm not involved. Please do not mention my name if you go to the cops, he said. So keep me the fuck out of it. Go to the cops, he said.

So keep me the fuck out of it. Still enraged with the discovery, I remember exploding at John and cursing him left and right. What do you mean you're not involved? This is a body laying here. We're both standing here, bud. Yeah, this girl goes to the junior high. Just then, Mike caught me at eye level and said, sure, John, we'll drop you off at school and we won't say a word about you. I can't say that I didn't completely understand John's response for a split second. Part of me wanted to just pretend I never saw her as well.

So he says, he goes on to say they're dropping him off at school and they're going back and forth. Are we going to say anything? So he continues, he continues, and he says he ends up going to the cops. He says, I found about 15 or 20 minutes later, I found three policemen at Mike's car window where I was sitting asking me to get out of the car. My guess was that the detective up on the hill validated Mike's story and called down to the boys in the basement and told them to put down the donuts and grab the teen and the Camaro upstairs. I knew they had Camaros. I knew it, Jimmy. Before I knew it, I was handcuffed to one of those old school desks, you know, the kind with the built-in writing table on the arm of the chair. Then I remember one of them asking my name and for my parents' phone number. And then he said his mom and dad came and said, why is he in handcuffs?

And then they took the handcuffs off him because he's just a witness. Yeah, that's crazy. He's a witness. What are we doing? He's a punk kid. Look at him. He's a punk. They're doing the most right now.

He's got a weed leaf necklace. He's a punk. The police said they know of 13 people who viewed the body. Awful. Yep. The detective said four carloads of kids cruised by and made abrupt turnarounds when the officers were at the site. So they got there. They were still doing the tour.

Four different carloads came and were like, oop, there's cops turning around. And they made a quick U-turn and got out of there. The lieutenant here, Ron McLeister of the Santa Clara County Sheriff said, who the hell knows how many went up there. It was getting to be an outing kind of thing like like like a like a place you go hang out mall right like like that rock that kids go hang out yeah it's smokers rock yeah you go to hang out at like you know marcy's corpse that's not a fucking it's not a place to go not a place to hang out um tower records think the arcade with pinball and pizza why ever leave there sounds great so they say that broussard himself took four loads of friends to the site and all including one student who has

been charged with an accessory after the fact as we'll talk about here oh yeah um the police that's kirk rasmussen who came with the bags of leaves. He covered up the body. Can't do that. They said he was trying to help. He said, give him a head start. So you're trying to help him elude. So he also visited the body three times and then lied repeatedly when questioned by police, Rasmussen. Jesus, he was going to be a bad kid, I think. Not a good guy here.

Seems like a dick. Rasmussen's parents i like this this is from the newspaper quote who live in a neat tract home with a good news bible in the window called their son quote a nice boy i got news for you oh man uh epperson this was his quote afterwards i didn't think it was real this is jerry e afterwards. I didn't think it was real. This is Jerry Epperson. I didn't think it was real. I didn't think anything about it. I went home and partied.

He said, then he heard a story on the news about it and then he freaked out. He said, you went and saw it. You idiot. That's what I mean. You fucking saw it. He's like, oh, that's cool, bro. It's all right. Yeah. Can we go to the party now?

Yeah. Woo. saw it he's like oh that's cool bro it's all right yeah can we go to the party now yeah so the police called mark falx asked him for an interview and he he said he finally told a friend about the body and then the cops called called him he said he lied when he first went the first talk to the cops too you have to so right i think so so why didn't anybody tell? Why? I'm baffled. Okay. Well, here's the excuses. Mark Falk said, quote, it's hard to tell on someone who's been your friend for 10 years. They've both been your friend, though. Right.

But how long has Marcy been your friend? And also, dude, you kissed her once. He said, I told them I didn't know nothing about it. And then he did. He said, I think they were pretty scared to go tell the cops, talking about the other kids, but they knew they thought they'd be blamed somehow. Here is Robert Engel, one of the friends. He said, I just didn't want to get involved. I don't think that it's fair that they blame all 1,600 kids at the high school for it

because they were saying it makes the high school look bad. John Simpson, another kid here, here he said this is about jacques he said yeah i knew jacques quote yeah i used to beat him up every day oh jacques he said yeah even though he's big he doesn't he's not he's not a good fighter he said no one was scared of broussard he said jacques wasn't that much of a likable person so that people would want to cover for him. He was scared of everybody. Maybe when he was nine, but not now. It's a different thing. So there's another case recently here, which is interesting, that happened very recently. And they were talking about how this case in San Jose recently might have made people not want to come forward.

This case in San Jose recently might have made people not want to come forward because there was a case in San Jose where two teenagers murdered one of their one of the kids parents and buried them in a backyard. Afterwards, they told a dozen kids, including a judge's son, and none of them told the cops. Even the judge's son didn't say shit. No. And then eventually somebody did. And then the people would fucking were like coming after this kid for snitching and all this shit. So they thought maybe that had something to do with it. They get Jacques in the box here, and he admits it fully. Doesn't even fucking blink.

He said, took her back to my house, raped her, and strangled her. Oh, my God. And they said, okay. Then later on in the day, he said, I was on drugs, L day he said i was on drugs lsd so it was lsd and they will but still why the fuck would you strangle a 14 year old girl and he said marcy had a tendency to mouth off she was sitting on my lap basically what happened i just grabbed her and she was dead that's you're skipping a lot of story. You went you went from she mounts off. Sometimes she's sitting on my lap and then I grabbed her and she was dead.

That's that's there's a lot missing there. What was said? How do you grab her? And then it got worse. And then it got much worse. She was sitting on my lap and then really bad shit happened. He said he drove her to the hills, dumped her in the ravine. He said he was hanging out with some friends and told them, yeah, he admits it.

Sure. No, no problem. Now, Hanson, he was one of the kids that wanted to tell right away because he said that he met Broussard only twice and felt no loyalty for him. But he his hesitancy of not why he didn't go to the cops, even though he wanted to, was, quote, because I was afraid they would get me as an accessory or something because he saw the body yeah his parents asked him why he didn't report it and he said i told them i was scared and really didn't know what to do so debbie the one who uh um cut the thing off the jeans unsurprisingly when all this is going on she's in juvenile hall for an unrelated thing completely not even for this completely unrelated she might be a piece of shit otherwise yeah i want that patch off the dead girl's jeans while

her corpse is still rotting on a ravine is pretty that's a fucked up kid i'm sorry that gets fucked up she has certainly said she didn't need it anyway several times since then. What a piece of garbage. That's cold, man. What happened to her? Wow. So Teresa Dane, who was friends with both Marcy and Debbie, said Debbie claimed that she didn't report the body to police because she was afraid. So Teresa Dane turned her into the police and later received an irate letter from Debbie. It said, quote, we used to be fighting. Yeah. It said, we used to be fighting. Yeah. It said we used to be so close. Then you backstab me, which sounds very 14 year old girl.

There's a body involved, honey. Come on. Yep. Teresa Dane said everyone's mentality is, quote, their whole mentality is you don't narc on people. She said that many of the students went to see the body but didn't report it are members of the stoners. She says, they said, well, what does that mean, the press? And she said, that means that you, like, get stoned, party, drink, and pop. I don't know what pop is. Drink and pop?

What? Uppers? Probably pills. Pills. You pop pills. Pills. Pop pills. There we go.

That's very 81 slang. What are you doing tonight? Just popping. Popping and locking. and then popping some more. On and popping. Yep. She said that she and Marcy were also stoners, Teresa said, and when Marcy was killed, she was wearing the, quote, so-called stoner blue jeans.

I don't know if there's a particular jean they wore. A gold necklace with a marijuana leaf and a brown tank top that said spoiled rotten on it. That's the shirt she was wearing. So, yeah, that's pretty fucked up. Now, Rasmussen, here, he's the one who put the leaves on the body and everything. He

said that he was so messed up before he was arrested. Right before he was arrested it started to hit him all. And then he was made him sad. Before that, he was bringing leaves and showing people. But once the cops got close to on his trail, he started getting sad. He said, I couldn't do my classwork. It was on my mind. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, I would say. The parents of Leffler said they were proud of their son who reported the incident. He said, yeah.

He said, I think it's just this is Leffler's stepfather. I think that maybe it's just these kids are the people of who were part of the 60s. Are they an offspring of the let's do your own thing generation? I think we have to ask what has happened to our society, not just our kids. There's always been scumbag kids. That's their time. It was greasers well before there was hippies and well before there was it's and i think he's saying it it reflects on the parents yeah yeah generally the scumbag kid is a child of lazy ass parents that's true that happens but for christ's sake i mean yeah we we've said the crazy nut doesn't fall far from the bat shit tree.

We've said that quite often. Sticks around. Sticks around. It's weighted. It falls off the branch and it just stays. It embeds in the dirt, in the gross dirt right beneath the tree. The gross dirt. So Leffler, by the way, says he was threatened.

He said one day at his house he heard voices outside the screen door. This was about a week after he reported the body to the police. And he heard voices say, quote, he's going to pay for what he did to Jacques. So he said that he went and got his.22 and pointed it at the door. And he said they could see it through the screen and they took off. So that's what he said. A lot of these kids were just, it was just those kids who were just didn't want to,

I don't know. One of the kids here, a 16 year old named Charlie, he said of Mike Irvin quote, he don't live by any code or nothing. Jacques is a partner of mine. He needs help. He's gone wacko,

but I wouldn't narc on him. He would have gotten it sooner or later. So he said like, you know,'t narc on him. He would have gotten it sooner or later. So he said, like, you know, he would have got they would have found him sooner or later. You didn't have to narc on him. The the sergeant here, the police sergeant said, I have never seen a group of people act so callous about death in my 15 years of police work. Truly, I am shocked. It's fucking so dumb. It's baffling.

This is insane. He said not the crime itself. He said he's seen lots of murders and shit like that. He said the unusual aspect was what followed. The kids going up there, that was the unusual aspect. Yeah. A rape strangle dump is common, but not a rape strangle dump. Come watch what I come look at what I did.

That's not common. Usually that's a hidden thing you don't tell anybody about that's fucking insane everybody knows about there's several cars going up there yeah and yeah that's right but he said that that's that's how kids are he said even the straightest kid in school knows which kid is dealing dope they don't care or want to get involved they all know the stuff that's going down you take the straightest straight a civic minded student and that school and he's going to know all that, and he's not going to tell. Because it's none of his business. No one's dying.

That's different. There's not a dead 14-year-old at the bottom of a ravine to look at and poke with a stick. You can't compare nickel bag sales to rape and murder. Yeah. Well, he said that, too. He said, but when it reaches the point of murder, I mean, when you're talking about a 14 year old girl and then he he trailed off, he said, whether it was fear or whatever, it would be hard to say, he said, but they knew it was a dead body. Definitely the location of the body. Nobody in their right mind could think it was a mannequin. No shit. shit the school librarian says this john ellis he says i don't think the kids here are different from anywhere else in the country they're all touched by the same media the impact of violence on tv is the same as everywhere else read more books i'm the librarian please he's the librarian

of course he's gonna say this fight club book is a little more vicious than the movie. It's much more vicious. There's also a bunch of kids in a tough school in San Francisco that they went to interview. And they're like, yeah, I mean, that's normal. You know, that's cool. He said, quote, the one kid said they were they was probably just protecting their homeboy. You know, anything to protect a homeboy. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. So they said that, like we mentioned earlier, race was never like mentioned as a factor, even though the victim was a small white girl and the, you know, perpetrators of a giant black guy. That was they never thought that was an issue because he grew up there and it wasn't a big deal. So the charges are murder, obviously. Broussard, they're considering whether to try him as an adult. And Rasmussen's also in the Santa Clara Juvenile Hall for failing to – yeah. Now, the assistant district attorney said the other kids aren't in trouble because it's not a crime to fail to report a body or a murder, only to harbor a murder or actively impede a probe. I don't know if that's still the case, but that's what it was there.

They said even cutting the thing off the jeans, that wasn't even a crime. Because. Is that right? It didn't hide the body or anything. So, yeah. And the jeans weren't on the body so i guess yeah yeah they charge him as an adult okay obviously because one of the things that they said they were going to do here charging him as an adult was because they were also charging him with two more rapes of 13 and 14 year old girls to around the area. It's two other areas. My God.

So eventually, though, the way that goes, there's the parents don't want these girls to have to testify and go through all this shit. So what they do is they make a deal with him

that they'll drop those two rape charges with which the parents want and the girls want. If he will plead guilty to murder, they won't go through the whole thing. Otherwise, you know,

he's eligible for the death penalty and shit or whatever. So they say, okay, fine. So he pleads guilty to murder. They do a psychological evaluation to see where he should be housed, state prison or juvenile hall. And the report from there said he changes stories daily, hourly, whimsically. They said that he appears to be without feelings about human life and without emotion as if nothing's ever touched him. So, yeah.

That's a dark fucking assessment. Yep. At the age of eight, when he found his mother dead, his maturation process stopped, and he developed a pathological family life that included talking to inanimate objects and seeking advice from his dog. Oh, my God. Yeah. He diagnosed him as a chronic paranoid schizophrenic with transient organic brain disease caused by drug abuse. This kid is a dangerous human being. He's a fucking mess. So sentencing comes around here,

and the judge says, well, you, sir, it could be juvenile hall or state prison, they decide that it will be prison. He's going to get sentenced to adult prison. You, sir, may fuck off, you little asshole, 25 years to life in state prison. He'll be eligible for parole in 16 years, 8 months.

That'd be 97. Rasmussen is sentenced to three years in a juvenile center for attempting to conceal the crime by covering it with leaves. That is fucking wild. And Falks ends up being charged with being an accessory because of the lying to police that he did. They eventually dismissed his case. So this was made into 1987. The movie The River's Edge is about this. It's loosely based on this.

Starring Keanu Reeves, Crispin Glover, Ione Skye, who was hot as shit back then, or in the 90s anyway. Dennis Hopper's in this. Oh, my God god he's playing a made-up character though and they make the the murderer a white guy also daniel roebuck plays the murderer who played jay leno in the hbo late night movie he's that guy so you know what i mean phil depper he's big big anyway. Yeah. So that's the movie there. 1996, he's up for parole. Oh, boy. Here, 97. The Board of Prison Terms votes three to nothing to deny him parole, saying that he has antisocial behavior before the crime, history of drug abuse, lack of remorse at the time and now, and a lot of people opposing his shit.

16 years doesn't even feel bad. Doesn't even feel bad. As of 2017, an article of him still currently serving out his sentence in Soledad, been denied parole several times, and he is currently at the correctional training facility in Soledad, California. He's still in prison. He's still in prison. 40 fucking years they've kept him. 40 years.

That tells you how really fucked he is between the years. What a complete asshole he is. He can't even, 40 years he can't go, I feel terrible I killed that girl. They would rubber stamp that parole so fucking fast. Nope, he's gotta go, fuck her. What an asshole. He's gotta have mental,

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