Small Town Murder - #353 - Olivia Newton John Must Die - Lake Arthur, Louisiana

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

This week, in Lake Arthur, Louisiana, when five people are found, slaughtered in two different homes, only doors apart, there is only one suspect. He's related to all the dead people, and he's a little strange to put it mildly. He claims to have been married at age 7, and was transformed into God. He also paints his hands blue, has a strange obsession with television sets, and stalks Olivia Newton John, because he believes she is trapped under Lake Arthur, and making his bed move, while he tries to sleep. And that's not even half of his overall crazy!Along the way, we find out that some people have it in for ladies named "Sandy", that your eyebrows probably aren't blocking oxygen to your brain, and once you're stark raving barking mad, there really is no "getting sane"!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us on another just insane edition of Small Town Murder. This week. Oh, my God. Pocket Robin level bonkers. An all time nut bag. I mean, wow. Is this just I can't even I'll explain it with an entire episode. Put it that way. Can't really can't encapsulate it up top. Very quickly, though, before we do that insanity, I would like to tell you to head over to shutupandgivememurder.com today. It helps out a lot. Go over there.

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I've known of him since it happened, obviously. I fucking loved him. Crazy guy did an interview on TV after he murdered a man with a hatchet, but it was a heroic act, a quote-unquote. And then three weeks later, he did something not so heroic and is in prison still. So we'll talk all about him at his Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports. We would also like to announce very quickly right now our new show that will be coming out late February, early March. We haven't got an exact date yet, but we're so excited

to announce it. Oh my goodness. Your Stupid Opinions is the title of it. We're jacked and it's not your stupid opinions, but the general world. The internet is all reviews

and this is a show much like we do the town reviews here. If you've been on our Patreon, we did a whole episodes where we do reviews. This show is reviews of anything and everything. It could be anything from that terrible motel in the middle of nowhere in Missouri where people are finding the same razor blades three months apart.

That was crazy. A Taco Bell at the Newark airport or a cross stitching class outside of Utah, Salt Lake City. You never know what it could be. Different stuff all the time, and it's so much fun, and we cannot wait. Your stupid opinions, check that out when it comes out, and we'll give you more info as it comes. But here we go. It's time for the disclaimer.

This is a comedy show. We're comedians. We are. Crazy, crazy shit's going to happen, and we're definitely going to make jokes about it. But what we're not going to do, we're not going to make jokes about the victims or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we are assholes. Yes.

But we're not scumbags. And that's how that works. So if that sounds good to you, man, do we have just a wild show for you. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever go together, maybe we're not for you, but maybe we are. Maybe listen and reserve your judgment, and either way, no bitching later, though. That's the word. That's how this works here. So that

said, I think it's time to sit back and just open your front door if you're home. Go out into your porch or your patio or you have an apartment, just stand in your hallway and just put your arms to the sides and scream, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy.

All right. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We shall. All right. We're taking a little jaunt down south here. We are. We are going down to Louisiana. Oh, baby. We've had some wild episodes down there., as we are. We are going down to Louisiana.

Oh, baby. Louisiana. We've had some wild episodes down there. Bloody floodplains they invite. This is like in the bayou, too. This is, oh, yeah. This is Lake Arthur, Louisiana. Jesus.

Southwestern Louisiana. Oh, yeah. It is sticky over here. This is mosquitoes. You can look outside and go, what's the weather like? Mosquitoey? i just see clouds of them just mosquitoey it's a lot it's all moving though shining but it's just go out and just come back one swollen mosquito bite it's a not not a cloud in the sky still gray yeah it's the top company in the entire state off. Backwoods off. It's a top seller. Just people loving it.

It's about an hour 40 to Baton Rouge, so nowhere near that. About almost three hours to New Orleans, so nowhere near that either. And even an hour 17 to St. Martinville, which was our last episode from Louisiana, which was a crazy one. Hey, Jude, don't shoot my mom, if you remember that one. Don't shoot my mom. This is like 20 minutes from Houston? It's closer to that. Yeah, it's near Texas.

Yeah, it's closer to – Jesus Christ. It's nowhere near that side of it. But this is some Bayou stuff here. Jefferson Davis Parish. So the parish is named after the president of the Confederacy. That tells you a lot right there. It's an interesting place, man.

Hang on to that, man. That's important. It's aging well. It's aging well. Area code 337. And the motto here, Louisiana's best kept secret. Okay. How?

Or we ain't allowed out when company comes calling. That's why they're a secret. This is the town you keep in the attic or something. We're still doing it. This town is the cousin that fell out of a tree when he was five and they never took him to the doctor. So he's a little funny and they keep him upstairs. That's this cousin. took him to the doctor so he's a little funny and they keep him upstairs that's this cousin like in the american holler documentary there american hollow when they go visit the sister

and they're like yeah she fell out a tree we just didn't take her to the doctor and now she's messed up she's like yeah yeah so history of this town a little bit the people here by the way in the 1890s a lot of people came kind of the, the main population came. And a lot of the people here were from Iowa for some reason. I don't know why, but tons of the people that came here were from Iowa. A lot of, a lot of Iowa,

um, the track. Yeah. And here is where you're also going to get where a lot of people and down in the swamp areas and shit, they don't speak, they don't speak English. They don't speak French. They don't speak French.

They speak this Cajun, weird Creole dialect that no one really, except the people there, understand. Nobody else understands it. Yeah, there's a quarterback in the USFL, Bobby Hebert. Do you remember him? Yeah, he was from down here somewhere. I can't remember. Cut off Louisiana or something.

Some way, way down south of Houma even. Way down there. And no one on the team could understand him. They had one guy that was from southern Alabama and they made him the translator. And he was like, I didn't fucking understand him. That wasn't southern. That was backwoods. That was Aver.

Yeah. He said he wasn't speaking. Yeah. So in 1840, the first sawmill was established here. That always seems to be the first thing because if you want to build anything, you've got to cut shit to do it. So Cypress timber made people come here at first to cut down the timber. A guy named Gustave Lorenz opened a store here in 1854. It was apparently the first store.

And early settlers were noble creoles from new orleans it says they were oh yeah they were more wealthy people moving out here i don't know if this is like the westchester of uh you know of like the or like the hamptons of um of louisiana i'm not sure what the yeah um. They had big plantations, too. They'd buy big plantations out here. And first they grew corn, but then they found out that rice was what you grow down here. Okay. That's what

they did. So a rice mill came in in 1876. Once you got a rice mill, you really have it all at that point. I don't think you can just pick it and eat it, probably. It's not like a green bean. You gotta do something with it. I don't know how green bean i think it has husks doesn't it is it in like a pod it's i can't just be open i doubt you crack open i'm picturing like a like a like a pod almost like a circular thing in the middle of a flower and then you just like crack it open there's a bunch of rice in there and you scoop it out

throw it in some boiling water 20 minutes you have goodness i picture it like grain like stocks and then you got the things on the top and then you smack it or you blow it like a dance yeah that'd be the easiest way nature would really be doing us a solid if you could just go and then the rice just goes into your rice cooker on your counter that'd be be nice. That'd be terrific. It's fresh. It's very fresh. Fresh rice. So they had the first rice thresher and portable steam boiler came in 1887. Oh, how many injuries.

Oh, God. People just, their skin melted off their bodies. Horror movies being made back then. Holy shit. All for the cheapest product on the planet. For fucking rice. Yeah. That grows a lot and everywhere.

So in 1890, the first rice irrigation pumping plant was built on the bayou over here. And everything, Lake Arthur is rice country back then, put it that way. The Broussard family

was the largest family in the area. And he was one of the first people to arrive he was a druggist in lake arthur 1878 they opened a post office that's you got to have a post office and that's what they did oh yeah absolutely um they uh in 18 oh no i'm sorry in 1890 they built the first sawmill within the city limits. By 1905, it was, of course, destroyed by fire. Just way too much wood. Way too much wood. It's damp down there, though.

I'm surprised anything burns. I'm surprised fire catches. Yeah. Besides the mills, tons of other shit went up, too, just like everything. It was a huge fire. I guess it was hot, all that wood. You got a hot fire there. So 1903, a petition signed by the majority of landholders

was submitted to the governor asking that Lake Arthur be incorporated, and that's what they did finally. So it was made. The Southern Pacific Railroad came in 1904. Shit was real by then. So there we go. Reviews of this town. Let's find out what people think of this place here.

Five stars. Perfect. Oh, I love a five star review because five star reviews are often I take them as as less seriously than a one star review where everything's terrible because not not everything is terrible or wonderful. So I think you're full of shit either way. And I need to know where have you been? been yes this is that this is what this is let's see a resume attached to these reviews that's what i've been to these places resume picture everything i want it all i want to be able to comparison to this i want to judge the whole of who's judging so five stars i really enjoy my small hometown of lake arthur okay they're from there and stayed there so everyone knows your name that's not great everyone is friendly and everyone

watches out for each other that sounds like everybody doesn't mind their own business is what that sounds like everybody looks my neighbors know my name and i fucking hate those yes but everybody watches out for each other that means everybody spies on each other so if something bad happens they'll be able to help you with that too if someone breaks into your house they'll happen to have been spying on your house anyway they'll see it so don't scratch your asshole outside of your door no because somebody's seen it they are going to tell everyone about it five stars i've lived in in Lake Arthur since age 10. Okay, I like that they've given us a background here. Yeah, we have been.

I love it. Oh. I love it. Lake Arthur is a small community with big family appeal. All right. Lake Arthur schools are excellent. By the way, they say Lake Arthur schools letter R excellent. So I'm going to go ahead and reserve judgment, but let's keep going.

I'm going to go ahead and reserve judgment, but let's keep going. The classrooms are small, so the teachers and students have more one-on-one opportunities in and out of the classroom. What? Here's one place I don't want my teachers having one-on-one opportunities with my kids. Even the way they put it, opportunities. Oh, God. Jesus. Out of the classroom?

Okay. I am want to attend a college. Okay. I am want you to go back a couple years. I have want to. I have want would be a thing. I am want to attend a college that offers the music arts. Yeah, English isn't your first subject. I have played the double French horn in the Lake Arthur High School band for four years.

OK, good for you. I enjoy my music and Lake Arthur High is an awesome place to introduce music and the arts to anyone and everyone who has even visited the small town with its with its big down home feel from the people, food and music. As for me, I would not change much of anything. It's a beautiful town with down-home friendly folks. Is this the writing the plot for a Hallmark romantic comedy right now? She went there and she found, wow, it's been a pleasure and an honor growing up in the Lake Arthur area. And an honor. That kid's boring.

That kid smokes no weed. Boring. Three stars here. Not many stores in the area. That's it. That's it. That's the one sentence. No punctuation.

Not even a capital letter. Give me more stores. Not many stores. More stars. Give me more. Trade your stores for stars, mister. What do you say? One star, finally. One star dot dot dot no growth dot dot dot

no employment dot dot dot no stores dot dot dot no things to do dot dot dot nothing and then it's all capital letters at all here for Young. For the Young. For the Young. If you don't play the French horn, you are fucked in this town. Shit out of luck, man. This place sounds bleak, man. I don't know how you give it five stars. I mean, if you're happy because you don't see anything else,

this sounds like a nice place to go fishing. You know what I mean? It's a weekend joint. There's crappie in that lake, probably. You know what I mean? Is there a lake? Lake Arthur's, yeah. Is i mean like it's probably it's a weekend joint there's crappie in that lake probably you know what i mean is there a lake like lake arthur's yeah is it right there yeah it's like yeah it's like arthur um only one good thing i can say is everyone here helps raise each other's children nope no stay away from my kids what teachers are out of the classroom people are are raising each other's children. What's happening in this place? What is this place?

Why are the children just fair game to be parented and learned? Can I say something? When is this place? What year is this? When is this? I just have a question overall. When is this? Then they go to drugs are out of control.

Law agencies are getting better. So, yeah, this sounds wonderful, really. Population here, 2,736. Tiny. Yeah, it's a small little place, man. Male, female, few more females than males. It's about average. Median age here is low.

It's 30. Usually it's about almost 38. The 25 to 34 demographic is like 20% of the people here. It's a huge chunk. Less people married than normal, which is because they're younger probably. Less married rate, but higher divorce rate. So when they do get together, they don't like each other. 30% of the people here are single with children.

So it's a party town. You betcha. You're going to get loose here. Race in this town. Eighty six point two percent white. Ten point four percent black. Zero point zero percent Asian. One point four percent Hispanic.

Black people and white people. It's a southern town. Small southern town. Cut and dry. Religion here. Seventy seven percent of the people here are religious god damn 77 77 percent almost 80 that's a lot that's as high as we've had uh and you not what you think 14.9 baptist which is high 51.1 catholic though You forget Louisiana Is a very

It's very Catholic there So that's where the Catholics are As we know the Catholics of the Bayou So Doesn't really work 0.0% Jewish though That's not going on here There is Jefferson Davis County

Here In the last election. 21.6% of the people voted Democratic, 77% Republican, 1.4% Independent. The median household income here is $27,969. Whoa. Just about half of the national average. Shit. And cost of living, 100 is regular average.

Here it is 74.8, so not even that low. What? But the housing is very low, probably because it's rotting from the moisture, I would assume. It's sinking. Or on fire, one of the two somehow. Housing is a 21 out of 100. Median home cost here, $61,200. Wow. So if we've talked you into here, $61,200. Wow.

So if we've talked you into it, damn it, you're going to catch some crappie this spring. We have for you the Lake Arthur, Louisiana real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for $621, which is half the national average. Super cheap. Super cheap. Here's a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,280-square-foot trailer. It is a trailer. It is your standard double-wide.

I mean, it's just a standard. There's not much to say about it. There's nothing weird or different or anything else. It's your standard. It's not good, though. It's $ a standard. There's not much to say about it. There's nothing weird or different or anything else. It's your standard. It's not good, though. It's $72,000. That seems high. I don't know if that comes with a lot either, so that just might be the trailer.

I'm not sure. There's got to be land. There's no way a double-wide doesn't cost that. I don't even know. Here's a one-bedroom, two-bath, so T-Bowl for every B-hole, technically. What? Never even heard of that. 3,830 square feet with one bedroom.

I don't know what this is. It looks like... None of these numbers add up. From the outside, it looks like a freestanding VFW hall that someone put in the middle of nowhere. But then inside, it looks like a church basement that kids have dances in. I don't know what the fuck is happening with this house. But it's a house because it's decorated like a house and it has a kitchen and shit. One bedroom, two bath, 2,000 square foot room.

Yeah, it's 3,830 square feet. I don't know what is happening with this house. It's the weirdest property I've ever seen in my life 135 000 for it i want it that's what i mean we should all pitch in and buy it just so we can figure it out everybody that's like that if we if all the listeners if we all chipped in like you know even 30 cents we could get this done let's do this 4 000 square foot just that's crazy that's that's doing 4,000 square foot. That's crazy. Let's do it. One bedroom? And the bedroom's weird looking, too.

I don't know what's going on here. Here's a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,475-square-foot house. It's definitely a house. I can see that. It's not a VFW hall or converted something or other. It's kind of ugly. It has a carport next to it that connects to a big old RV area, like a big RV tent-looking thing next to it.

It looks like it blows away in big storms. I don't know. Oh, yeah. I see what you're saying. $259,999 for that. That's the most expensive thing you can find. That's the house right there the jewel the jewel of the crown of the swamp crown is right there i believe princess swamp thing lives there

i'm not sure you found nothing over 300 000 i mean you could get land and shit but i mean yeah but that a freestanding structure to own it It's not there's not much there, Jimmy. It's a small kind of a dumpy town. There's not much going on. A lot of mansions there. Things to do here. Oh, boy. The lake.

Like we said, there's no there isn't even stores. So things to do. The Lake Arthur Regatta Festival. Regatta. Regatta is like a boat race. Regatta is like a boat race, but it says we're proud to invite you to cast your sails and find a shady seat under the majestic oak trees in our beautiful park for the weekend. You're going to get to tempt your taste buds with some good old Cajun favorites, it says. Come down to see the hottest regional bands playing your favorite music as well, because all the regional bands are playing everyone's favorite music obviously that's oh that's all they play that's that bar band oh yes i do like stevie ray vaughn for the 44th

fucking time today great sounds good is he gonna play wipeout yeah what are they doing here um oh george thorough good again great um the gator chateau is also what the gator Chateau is also. What? The Gator Chateau. Interact with live gators and learn about them. No. The Gator Chateau is home to baby alligators as well as larger alligators. Our alligator handlers are educational ambassadors for gators. These are people that have gone to the school until the third grade. I don't know if these people are like the old timey ones that are missing four fingers and work at the Tiger King's place,

or if these are like highly educated people who've been to like, you know. Dressed like Ranger Rick. Yeah, been to eight years of college to do this. I have no idea, so I don't want to disparage. I'm leaning on. I'm picturing a guy with half his face missing from a previous accident. That tooth we can't take out because if i take it out i'll bleed to death that's what that's what happened it holds in everything

my spleen will fall out if i take it the babies are hand fed they don't bite and you can hold them and take your picture it says isn't that nice so uh there you go then there's the children's telephone museum yeah it's a it's telephone, an interactive learning experience centered around a number of communication and historical telephone exhibits. So if you want to bore the shit out of your kids, because there's nothing a modern kid who has a supercomputer in his hand 24 hours a day wants more than to see that you used to have to sit in your kitchen with a four-foot fucking cord and talk to somebody and it costs a lot of money and you couldn't hear them well. They're going to be real interested in that. Watch me operate this manual app. This is the analog version of what's in that thing. Yeah, exactly.

No, no, no games on this. Where are the games? All I see is a big wheel. I don't see any games. Well, son. Do you spin the wheel and win things? What is that? That's not part of it.

The prize is you have to talk to your mom on the other end. You have to talk to your grandma once a week. That's the prize. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here, is low, actually. Property crime is about one-third of the national average, so pretty damn low i would say and then violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is about half the national average so very safe it's a safe little town that said oh boy let's talk about some murder let me say some not a because holy shit is is this insane? Oh, boy. All right.

I don't know. This was one where you go, where do you even start with this? Let's just start at the beginning with Michael Owen Perry. Okay. Here he is. Okay. We're going to just lay him out before you because, wow. Mikey P.

Mikey P. is one of the craziest people we have ever encountered on this show in terms of just remember how pocket robin had his little things guys have quirks on this show some of these murders they have little quirks sometimes they think that somebody is like a mountain witch or something and they killed them and they have an incident then they're okay now this guy is pure i mean unadulterated, 93-octane crazy. He is fucking high-test insanity here. He's born in 1955, Michael Perry here. He has some problems right from the beginning. Is he born here?

In America or in? In Louisiana. Yeah, he's from Louisiana. His whole family has mental problems also. Oh, boy. And not just little ones, too. We're talking, you know, hardcore incidents and insanity running through the family is what the doctors say. His sister is in and out of a mental institution for more than 10 years by the 80s.

And aunts,ts uncles he's had a lot of mental issues and 70s crazy that's what i mean 1970s uh institution yeah yeah that's like they put you away genitals come out it was a different thing yes exactly it was we're going to talk about some of these incidents that are like clearly outside the realm of normal this isn't you know had a depression issue is something like that this is a whole whole separate thing um he used to he would paint his hands blue okay to ward off germs but only blue blue keeps the germs away i don't know why and i get we're laughing at a mental illness, by the way. But this, when you hear, this guy deserves to be laughed at at the end because we have no other recourse and fuck him.

So trust us. He plumbed a chemical toilet. He's got blue hands. Blue painted hands. And they'd say, hey, chief, why'd you paint your hands blue there? And he'd go, ward off germs. Oh, yeah. They'd go, ward off germs. Oh, yeah. There you go.

Oh, okay. You just wear gloves. Hmm, that kind of thing. At the age of seven, he suffered third-degree burns on his legs. Oh, my God. What happened? All right. Now, this is what he says.

He said this happened at seven. Now, this is – he says three different things happened at seven, okay, for him. The burns were one of them. That's the only verifiable thing that we can find that we know happened because later on we know we were able to identify him from when he's found somewhere with a – because of burns that he has on his legs that are still visible when he's an adult in his 30s. So they're bad burns. So he says that's one thing that happened at the age of seven. The second is that he got married, he says, at the age of seven. At seven?

At seven. Now, I get that, you know, it's like the 70s and 60s. Shit, it's 1962 in southwestern Louisiana. Things are done a little differently. But I think seven's probably a little young for yeah to become yeah i don't think they're going to marry a seven-year-old so that's probably a figment of his imagination and if they did it there should be some paperwork and that's just as verifiable as fucking burn scars now there is no paperwork and the third thing he says happened also no paperwork trail

on this one he says he became god at that point too yeah so that i can't i mean like i said that could happen but there's no he there's not wasn't like a stamp or an official seal there's no yeah there's no he didn't sign anything there for that yeah he didn't sign anything there's no picture of him like with a big pair of scissors cutting a ribbon or anything to know, Hey, I'm God now. Clip, here we go. Open it up. There's no definition of which God he is?

He's just the God. The God. Yeah. You know, capital G. Not a God. Capital G, baby. You know what I mean? If he was a rapper, that would be his name.

Capital G. Because he's just, I'm God. Oh, baby. You know what I mean? If he was a rapper, that would be his name. Capital G. Because he's just, I'm God. Oh, boy. Yeah. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly.

And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar.

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Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on max starting april 21st bye-bye the official jinx podcast listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts so he is god

um he's a married god with third degree burns scars on his legs by seven so he's really his life that's that's really uh he's his success, it's a definitive year is what it is. Yes, and you got to admire for a kid, he's getting stuff done because I really didn't do much of my life until my mid-30s. So at least he's got things happening that I really didn't have going on. So I'm impressed. I waited quite some time. I'm impressed right away. So he's a god.

on so i'm impressed quite some time i'm impressed right away um so he's a god he by the time he's 16 he's seeing psychiatrists quite a bit uh quite a bit of say of doctors at this point and he is thought to be a paranoid schizophrenic you think which i mean yeah docs i got married at seven really who'd you marry well that's not important important thing is i'm god that's the important thing oh all right don't you worry about her i'm the one that matters listen listen yeah she's just doing like the she's doing the at home god stuff at home that i need who'd i marry the wife of god yeah what's her name god's wife that's what that's what we call her around my house. God's wife, because I'm God. So it's a little odd. He would, by the time he's 16 also and he was driving, he would attach 10, 30, and 50-gallon drums to the back of his car.

Okay? He was like. I was just married. But not dragging them. He'd like attach them to the back of his car okay he was like married but not dragging them he'd like attach them to the bumper so he had like these giant extra bumpers giant drums in the back yeah these big 50 30 10 gallon drums lined up in the back yeah almost like an extra line of bumpers back there yeah uh-huh and a neighbor asked him why pray tell tell, you know, why. And the guy said this is Emery Lyon, his neighbor. He said, quote, he said, you never know when you might need a bucket. Does that make sense at all to you? Does he have a weak bladder? Is that what he's saying?

to you does he have a weak bladder is that what he's saying 50 gallons of it a that's he has 90 gallons worth of storage space back there what in case amount of liquid is he gonna need that much bucket sometimes you gotta pee 90 gallons i don't know what you would have 90 gallons of i really can't even imagine he's doing a lot of drinking and driving because listen when you drink i mean it does it's every 10 minutes. They say you're just renting it. You know what I'm saying? So I understand what he means now, especially down there. Get that Lone Star beer from Texas.

It cuts right through you, boy. It really does. It's fast. It's a quick one. So he's an interesting fella. As the 70s progress and the early 80s amount to the turn of the decade here, he really starts to go a little wacky. Now, if painting his hands blue and calling himself God and carrying 90 gallons worth of storage space welded to his bumper wasn't strange, he gets stranger somehow. to his bumper wasn't strange.

He gets stranger somehow. He changed his name legally now we're talking, several times. Several legal name changes he went through. First, he changed his name to Zwick Ma. Two words, Z-U-I-C-K, like Buick but with a Z. Yeah, Zwick. Z Zuik Ma like hey Ma like an Italian kid calling their mother

M-A as in Yo-Yo's brother this is what he's got going on here fascinating yeah Zuik Ma is his name and then he said well I mean that's a stupid name, I think.

Only because I don't look like a Zwickma. People go, really? That doesn't look like you. Is that right? He changed his name to something different that he thought would fit him better. He changed his name. One name now. One name.

Like Cher or Madonna. Except his name, I. E-Y, no. E- no e y e like an eyeball last name he was gonna add ball to it later changed his mind no i that's his name i full whole name okay e y e it's easy this is an adult now so yeah i mean you can change your name or whatever you want i guess but i mean it's easy as a guy with a long last name i it's tempting trust me i mean james i would be very easy to deal with but i can't so then recently though he had changed his name back to his birth name which is michael owen perry okay so there we go That's his full circle. He goes through a whole thing of different names that he is here. Is he getting help now? Oh, I was going to say he's been committed several times to state hospitals for psychiatric problems.

He's seeing doctors on and off, but he won't go on any kind of medication. This is the kind of crazy back then that definitely requires something of you're not in reality. He's not in reality. If you're not in reality, that's a different type of thing. It's not a mood. It's not this. It's not that. He thinks he's God.

That's a totally different level of weird. So his parents took him to a mental hospital in Galveston for examination when he was 16 and had him committed to the Central State Hospital at Pineville when he was 18. So his parents have forcefully taken him to get help several times there. He currently, as 1983 comes around, so at this point he's 28 years old. He's back to Michael Owen Perry. He's done a lot of weird things. We're 12 years into the psychiatric care needs. Absolutely, yeah.

I would think it would start at seven when he says he's married and he's God. I would be like, you're going to talk to somebody, you sunny boy. I don't know who, but somebody, because wow, this is not right. Or you have a great imagination. Which one? Can you draw me what you're talking about? Because if you can draw it really well, fuck it. You're just going to make like, you know, comic books and pulp novels and shit like that.

We're going to make some money off of this. You can just be like George Lucas or something. But otherwise, you need help. So at this point, he is living in a trailer behind his parents' home. They are Grace and Chester, his parents, by the way. He's living in a trailer behind their home and is not allowed to enter the home without permission. He does not have keys to the house. They have to say he's like bubbles in the basement on the wire. And even worse, though, because he's in an outhouse. He's in a trailer near the wire like he needs to you know and even worse though because he's he's out he's in an out it's in an outhouse he's in a in a in a trailer near the dog pen so okay it's kind

of like that's the that's where we keep michael and the dogs yeah with that there it's it's that's imperative to the story that's it absolutely is yeah he'll say it too it absolutely is yeah his neighbors are noisy his neighbors are oh yeah definitely they're oh boy they're not a very uncivilized lot the neighbors so just licking each other's asses it's really weird so out in the open out in the yard he's a very average looking guy blends in that's the other thing too it's not like he's like uh charles manson where you go look at that little weirdo. The crazy is invisible. He's not some giant guy that you go to Ed Kemper where you go, holy shit, look out for him. He's 5'11", 160 pounds.

Little thin guy, other than the blue hands and a small mullet. He's got nothing else really going on to identify him with. Dark hair, blue hands. Answers to God, capital G. Or I or Zuik Ma. Either or. Or Mike. Please take your pick.

He's had a lot of names. Not too bad. But then you get information. You get a lot. So, oh, my God. This gets weirder somehow. And I have to tell everyone listening to this, this isn't one where you like listen to the court case and then go, OK, you need to listen to the end of this. Right to the end, because the craziest cherry on top is at the end where he there's an explanation, sort of this quote unquote explanation.

And it's, oh, man, you need to hear this. You need to hear this monologue, everybody. So he's got a couple of obsessions at this point, as you would imagine he would. Tops and first and foremost on his list is Olivia Newton-John. Okay. Okay. Now, if you. He's near 30?

Yeah, he's 28 years old, which makes sense because so is she the same age. And at this point in time, Olivia Newton-John was one of the most popular people on the planet Earth. Like we can't nowadays. It's hard. But like because I was a shit, a baby then, too. So I don't know. But like when you look back at stuff and she was huge back then. I mean, she was the female star.

Grease was the biggest fucking thing in the world. And that was 1978. So she was a giant star. Let's get physical. All this shit. I mean, she had movies, albums, everything. She was huge. So Olivia Newton-John is his obsession.

He writes her letters oh boy that's not all he does but he starts by writing her letters near 30 writing letters 28 writing letters to olivia newton john but it's not like hey olivia i saw you in your movie great performance you're super pretty love your albums you know maybe we could like have a drink sometime not even like that it's way different he writes to olivia that he's hearing voices um just in case you're interested olivia i'm hearing voices and they're telling me that you olivia newton john are a muse a muse so you know to somebody he's she's trying to help somebody get their something accomplished, who is currently trapped under Lake Arthur. Okay. Yes.

So I heard I want to check with you because these voices have told me that you're a muse who's trapped under Lake Arthur. If so, I will be happy to rescue you, essentially, is what he's getting at here. So I'm going to put this into the mailbox to an address that is not at lake arthur no absolutely not it's in malibu california is where he's sending these letters to but just to make sure well he's making if she answers them then obviously she's she's not trapped under lake arthur but if she doesn't maybe she's under there you never. I better get in there. You have no idea. So he listens. He waits for a while. Weird no response from ONJ after a bit. So he wanted to wait and see what happened.

Maybe she could just clear this whole thing up for him. And it didn't happen. It didn't pan out that way. So he said, well, I better go out there and make sure she's okay. So he went to Malibu from Lake Arthur. He went to California, to Malibu, to Olivia Newton-John's home. Oh, God. Five times.

Oh, God. What? He showed up at her house five fucking times over the course of a few months. Five. He was like Letterman's stalker, like back in the day that lady who would show up at his that's who he was he would show up all the time he always got turned away by the security guards because she had she had to have to get security guards after this and he's got blue hands some crazy guy with a blue hands going i just want to make sure she's not trapped under

the lake and they're like dude if you don't here, that will make you hire some security guards. If you're a small blonde lady, you know what I mean? Like, I can't. What the fuck? He's got blue hands, for Christ's sake. So they a bunch of security guards. He ends up going there, like I said, five different times to her home. She absolutely heard about this.

Right. Oh, somebody told her. Wait till you hear. This caused her to move to Australia. He drove Olivia Newton-John off the continent of North America. Wait till you hear. This caused her to move to Australia. He drove Olivia Newton-John off the continent of North America. Wait till you hear why. You have to hear the end of this. It's fucking crazy.

It's fascinating what these celebrity stalkers do and how we never hear about any of this. This should be like every – there should be a publication that writes about the new one. Yeah, it happens all the time probably yeah it's probably very common and it's just they show up and they get turned away by security guards most of the time it's not that exciting it's just some person because most of the time the stalkers aren't like you know with a

ski mask on and a butcher knife in their hand most of the time they're like acting like I just want to help them I know something and they're just like you know to kind of disturb people who are on the wrong path this guy the fun ones are the naked ones and yeah living room that's yeah and then you have to wonder did she pay that person to be there because that seems like something she she showed up and was like is the photo shoot today oh wait no hold on wait no you're an intruder i thought you're not the guy i hired to do this. He shows up at 9. It's only 8.30.

He's never early. He ended up, by 1983, this had all gone on. 83 is when he was really going there a lot. And wait till you hear why, too, the whole reason and what he saw that gave him the idea. A lot of it is based on the movie Xanadu, I'll just tell you right now. We'll talk about that. Sounds like something you'd call somebody crazy. Yeah, look at this Xanadu over here.

Look at him. Well, Xanadu is one of these movies that was out in 1980, and it was supposed to be a huge thing. It's a musical starring Olivia Newton-John and Fred Astaire, who was, I didn't even know he was still alive in 1980, to be honest with you. And if he was, he certainly can't do what he's known to do by now, right? Well, would you like to hear the plot of Xanadu quickly? I would love, I've never heard this. Sonny Malone, and hold on, the poster too is Olivia Newton-John looking kind of like a robot with like

her blonde hair like all puffed around her what the sunny Malone is a struggling artist in Los Angeles attempting to make a living by freelancing he rips up one of his failed sketches and throws it into the wind it hits a mural of nine sisters and brings them to life what okay his sketch brings nine sisters to life. This is important to know for the rest of the story. I'm not just going off on a stupid tangent. There's actually mean something. So the sisters fly across Earth,

but one of them roller skates through town and collides with Sunny, as you would do if you could fly. You're obviously going to put strap wheels to your feet and do that instead. Because, I mean, why would you want to fly because the sonic waitress is having a ball look how fun that looks she kisses him before skating away leaving him confused have this movie didn't do well in the theaters by the way no but it's weird right um having returned to his old job of painting album cover reproductions at airflow records sunny is tasked with painting an album cover reproduction for a group called the nine sisters the cover shows the mysterious woman sunny

encountered earlier roller skating in front of an abandoned art deco auditorium. Holy shit. The worst. The photographer notes. How do you explain this in one sentence? How do you log line this? That's why the movie didn't work. How did this get made?

Wow. The photographer notes that the woman was not supposed to be on the cover, but suddenly appeared in a few of the shots. So they kept her in? What the fuck is that? Who is she, Dahmer? She popped up in yearbook pictures photoshop doesn't exist yet no sunny eventually traces her across town to the aforementioned auditorium where she introduces herself as kira the two of them fall in love

though kira refuses to tell sunny anything about herself sunny also meets and befriends danny mcguire a big band orchestra leader turned construction mogul. What the fuck is going on? He was once romantically involved with a singer in the 40s who resembled Kira. Her departure resulted in his own loss of creative passion. Kira encourages Sonny and Danny to open a nightclub at the auditorium called Xanadu. And the two begin working on the project as partners. All the while, Sonny and Kira began to develop

romantic feelings for each other. They've already kissed, yeah. The night before the club's opening, however, Kira confesses to Sonny that she's actually turf... what? Terpsichore, one of the nine muses of Olympus. Okay. Okay, which is an ancient

Greek mythology thing. She was sent to inspire the creation of Xanadu, but she cannot stay despite their mutual feelings. Sunny gets upset at this revelation, and Kira departs the Earth, having fulfilled her duty. She's a muse. What a story. Danny tells Sunny to keep pursuing Kira, this is all important, encouraging Sunny not to give up on his ambitions like he did after his own muse left him. Sonny manages to enter

Kira's home by roller skating into the muse's mural. Inside the realm of gods, Kira's father Zeus denies Sonny. This has gone from roller skating and singing to now we're in Greek God. This is unbelievable. Kira's father Zeus denies Sonny's plea to let Kira come back to Earth

and despite Kira's mother interceding for Son and Kira, Zeus sends Sunny back to Earth. Kira professes her feelings for Sunny and Zeus ultimately relents, allowing her to be with Sunny for a moment or maybe forever. Quote unquote. Kira and the muses perform at the Xanadu Grand Opening before returning to their realm. Hold on. Got a gig. Hey, Zeus, hold hold on got to do a little disco roller gig here that we got because it's 1980 um gigging tonight wow sunny is initially

saddened by their departure but upon seeing a waitress who looks exactly like kira he stops and asks her to talk so that's this movie now this movie's obviously crazy by the thing. It's a lot. It's one of those movies that is so bad that over the years now it's been said it was so bad for so long. There's people who just to be, you know, obstinate go, actually, it's not that bad. It's one of those movies. You know what I mean? People have said that about Ishtar. Actually, it's not. Yes, it is.

That's why nobody likes it. You did it with Airplane 2. And I was like, don't do that. Don't do that. It's not bad. It is. I tried. I like it. I spent six different times trying to get through it again, and it's just a joke hose. It's a hose

of jokes that don't go together, that don't make any sense. It's just a pile of pieces of paper that they threw together and put a movie out there. It's so weird. I think Airplane's like that too, though. Just the idea of it is just fucking dumb. But it's more. I think they saw the success of it and were like, we got to do it again.

Well, yeah, we have to do it again. Fuck it, we're sending them to the moon. Fuck it. So anyway, this is all the shit that's going on here. So he ends up buying in July of 1983. He buys a one-way ticket to Los Angeles, but then cashes it back in the same day, gets his money back. So this leads us to July 17th, 1983 at 9.30 a.m. And this is in Lake Charles, not in Malibu. 639 Louisiana Street is the address that we're going to.

At this address are Michael Owen Perry's two cousins live here. His cousins are Randy Perry, who's 19. He's a diabetic, like has to take insulin and shit like that, 19. His cousin, his other cousin is Brian LeBlanc, who's 22. They live in this house. Okay. They leave their this house. Okay? They leave their house unlocked a lot of times just because it's a rural area and they're not real worried about it.

So on this particular morning at 9.30 a.m., Michael Owen Perry enters the house because it's unlocked. Comes over. It's cousin coming over, whatever. That would be fine. Problem is he's got a shotgun in his hand when he comes in.

Oh, why? Which is different. Maybe he's got a shotgun in his hand when he comes in which is different maybe he's gonna go hunt some varmints he's wondering if guys want to come away cuz you won't come with me so he walks over to the living room couch where randy perry was sleeping didn't hear him even come in he's out cold i mean he must have had a long night there so um from where he stands he's about three feet from Randy. And he opens, he pulls up the shotgun, raises it, and shoots his cousin in the left eye with the shotgun. Right in the face. Right in the face. Obviously, you know, hasn't prompted him to.

He's been sleeping. So shoots him right in the eye with a fucking shotgun from two feet away. As you can imagine what that looks like, by the way. And how loud that is. Wow. Then he entered the bedroom where his other cousin, Brian, was sleeping and just kind of like, what the fuck? Kind of, you know, just opening his eyes because he just heard a loud blast. And he raises the shotgun, Michael Owen Perry does, and shoots him in the head as well oh boy boom dead they're both dead what happened so nothing felt like doing it really he just went they didn't

they didn't you know like like piss him off or do anything to him no argue who's hotter no absolutely not no they didn't like they didn't say like shitty about they're like jamie lee curtis is way hotter than olivia newton john he's like no she's not rhinestone's better than xana do bro fuck you and he like attacked her like dolly's better no so um tits on this chicken come on so then he uh he looks around. He sees nobody's moving. Everybody appears to be dead. So he's like, all right, that's cool.

So then he walks out the door, calm as can be, cool as a cucumber, leaves the house, and walks two houses down through the yards, through the front yard, just two houses away. And this is his parents' house where he lives in the back. This is home for him. It's just trailers out back. So he looks like he's going home. This is 810 7 house where he lives in the back. This is home for him. It's just trailers out back. So he looks like he's going home. This is 810 7th Street is their address. His parents are Grace and Chester Perry. They're 49 years old.

So he can't get into the main house, though, as we know. He's not allowed in the main house. So instead what he does is he breaks a window and climbs in. So now his parents aren't home. He knows that because his parents went to Hot Wells. Hot Wells? I've heard of Hot Springs. Is this a hot well that you sit in?

That's gross. Sounds disgusting. Sounds like a knockoff Hot Pocket. I got Hot Wells. I don't know. Are they good? No? Oh, don't eat the barbecue ones?

Okay, I bought the barbecue ones. They're not microwavable. No. To cook them off. He's over an open flame. I was just going to say open flame. On a stick. With some big tongs and shit.

Yeah. So they had gone to Hot Wells on a four-day retreat starting on July 14th. So they're going to be home. They're supposed to be home today apparently because this is the 17th, so I think it was 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, and then they're going to be home later this afternoon is the deal. So

he breaks in a window to get in. Now a young woman neighbor saw him breaking in a window but said she was frightened away when Perry sneered at her yeah he turned like yeah he did like uh dan ackroyd in trading places when he said he's and he ran out he did one of those and she got scared and ran away um she's like a teenage girl so she just was like oh i don't want to i don't care so he goes inside uh he cranks up the stereo

get some tunes going first of all yeah i, gets some tunes going, first of all. Yeah, got to get some tunes going. I mean, bored, bro. Plus, probably drowns out the voices and the Olivia Newton-John fucking messages and everything like that. Unless it's her music. That would be just hopelessly devoted to you. Over and over again in his head. Over and over again in his head. Over and over again.

Oh, God. You're the one that I want. You're the one that I want. Yeah, over and over. Dancing. Dancing. Running around the couch. Sliding down the top of the couch.

Well, the funny part is that young lady said she saw him a little while later, his silhouette through the closed curtains, him with his hands up in the air. So, like he's had his hands up. So I think maybe he was having a little... He's literally dancing. He's having a fucking party in there. He's having a great time.

He's having a get down. Standing on the couch like it's the hood of Grease Lightning. the couch like it's the hood of grease lightning she's singing hopelessly devoted to you over and over again he loves it so his knee cocked and he's pointing across the living room she's gonna want me she's gonna want me if i learn this dance. Arm down, up, in, out. Okay, that's how you do it. All right, I can do this. Need to get me a Jeff Conway. He's still having a dance party.

And he's in his parents' house. Yeah, pumping it. Just waiting? Is that what he's doing? Finally in there. Well, here's the other thing. He's listening to music. He also has a double-barreled 16-gauge shotgun in his hand as well that he came came from next door with as well he brought that

next door brought it back this belongs to his uncle per our uncle paul who is um randy his cousin who he just shot that's paul's father so this is what he uses now while he's in the house alone got some oj onj cranking he says um fuck it man let's look around looks around manages to find some more guns hey he finds two pistols and a 12 gauge shotgun so he's like sweet now i got four guns awesome that's better than one gun one plus three equals four how about that cool man so he's got this the you know the guy the tunes bumping and um after he gets all that ready, he goes, okay, got my guns, got my tunes. He sets a chair up, puts a chair, sets it all up in a strategic place facing the carport door. So he knows his parents are going to come in, park the car, get out, come in through the carport door.

So he has a chair facing that door just ready to greet him. You know what I mean? Hey, Mom. Hey, Dad. He's got all his guns with him too is the other problem. door so he has a chair facing that door just ready to greet him you know what i mean hey mom hey dad he's got all his guns with him too is the other problem so he just sits there and waits for a couple hours just sits in this chair waits some tunes go and his parents are a little bit later than they should be because his parents um stopped to pick up the uh their two-year-old grandson, who is Michael's cousin, his nephew. I mean, it's his sister's son. His sister is currently in a mental facility, and his son and the boy's father works offshore in one of the oil things.

So they take care of the kid when he's offshore and mom is in the bin so which she's offshore as well a little fucking bonjour then yeah that's what happens so um they stopped to pick him up he's two-year-old anthony bonin so he's only two so hopefully that's brand new kid yeah brand new a little guy there so um they came inside now michael first he has his pistols out. Doesn't even worry about the shotguns. When he when as soon as they walk through the door, he unloads on him with both pistols. Oh, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

Cowboy style unloading on hits all three of them. Doesn't kill anybody, but hits all three of them. OK, he's just boom, boom, boom. So his mom, Grace, tries to go back out the carport as her first to get outside, which is smart. But instead, as she's trying to go out of it, he shoots her in the head with the 12-gauge shotgun. Jesus, God. She goes down outside. He drags her back in the side door. Okay.

Okay, drags her back in the side door and closes the door there you know after her next up he's got to go find his dad because he'll be formidable and he might have you know some weapons here so he goes in his dad is uh he tries to use this the this the same shotgun the 16 gauge he takes that but his dad is hiding behind a television set in another room. He's wounded. He's just trying to fucking, you know, he's hiding behind this television set. And so he goes in there. Michael goes in after him, and he shoots him in the head at some point.

He shoots his father in the head. But during this, there's a struggle. at some point. He shoots his father in the head. But during this, there's a struggle. He got so close to his dad that his dad grabbed the shotgun and is able enough to take... His father breaks the shotgun apart when they

wrestle for it. His father disassembles it as it's going. But Michael still had another shotgun. So he just pulled that shotgun up and shot his dad with the 12-gauge. Okay. So his dad with the 12 gauge. Okay. So his dad, by the way, ends up being behind the television set, still gripping the wooden stock of the gun. The wooden part of the gun as if it's pointed at him still.

He still had it in that position when they found him later on. So, yeah. So he shot his mother and father with, you know, respective shotguns here. Two-year-old's wounded. Now there's a two-year-old here. So, Jesus, what do you do here? You know what I mean?

There's a two-year-old. Well, he goes and finds the two-year-old and shoots him in the face with a shotgun. Oh, boy boy completely disintegrated took his head clean off gone kid's gone yeah gone so that's what he did to a two-year-old this guy oh by the way after he did that shot the kid again to make sure he was dead is that right yeah yeah because i mean that he he might grow another one. He's like a fucking gecko lizard or something now. So he's killed five people now, including a two-year-old.

A toddler, right? A toddler, yeah. A two-year-old's a baby. Baby-toddler on the baby side of toddler. It toddles. So he toddles. Not anymore. He did toddle.

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more so he could close the door all the way then he takes his father's finds his father's billfold which has three thousand dollars in cash in it what his dad's got some serious cash i don't know fascinating carry yeah i don't know that's a fascinating carry yeah i don't know if he was gonna deposit it or what the deal is and then he found a strong box uh belonging to his mother as well and got some money out of there so he takes that um takes some other shit and he leaves this the house in his father's 1980 oldsmobile Regency, which he is also not allowed to drive, which clearly at this point it doesn't matter. He has a.357 Magnum with him that he took from the house, a.357 Magnum and a 16-gauge

shotgun he's got. Wow. Yes. He stops a few miles, goes down the road and throws some of his parents luggage into the canal, some canal, then drives a few miles and throws both 357 and the 16 gauge shotgun into the canal. Yeah. In the houses, obviously, it's a bloodbath. There's blood and skull and everything everywhere. So gross shotgun shells everywhere. They end up and skull and everything everywhere. So gross. Shotgun shells everywhere. They end up finding seven 22 casings, seven 22 casings, one 357 casing as well. And four spent shotgun shells.

So he got off shit for 11, 12 shots. Yeah. He took just in just in his parents house. Right. Which is crazy. So he takes just in his parents house which is crazy so he takes off in the car we'll find out where in a moment here so he's taken off nobody finds any of this for two

days nobody goes to the cops this is July in southwestern Louisiana by the way two days the neighbors heard loud bangs but they, who knows where it's coming from? It's a rural area. Sometimes people are hunting. You never know.

You hear gunshots. Yeah, but now you've got five bodies within probably 800 feet of each other. That in rural-ass Louisiana. That's wild. In July? Yeah. If there's not central air keeping this place at about 68 degrees it's gonna stink from you know a half mile away in houston well uh in lake arthur here july 19th

1983 the murders happened on a sunday this is a tuesday brian leblanc the 22 year old cousin whom he murdered there his mother was curious as to why she hadn't seen her son in a couple of days. Well, it's my son. I usually come. He lives at home. He doesn't live at that house. So he's like, where is he? Hasn't come home. She tried calling and nobody answered. So she's like, I don't know what the hell those kids are doing. She sent her husband, Ernest Ashford, to the house to look. Go look. Go find him. Go find him. No one answered the door. No one answered the door. And I guess the house had like the he said that the doors of the house were locked when he got there. But when he pushed on the front door a little, the framing came loose and the whole door opened.

Like the whole thing came with the framing and everything. So he was like falling apart. Yeah, it's really weird. And this is their house. They own this house, the parents. So according to the police, quote, he's the man who discovered the whole gory mess. Well, part of it anyway. He discovers these two 5 p.m.

July 19th. So, yeah, he goes over to the house. He was worried, worried also about because's the diabetic the one kid's diabetic and they haven't heard from either one of them it's you know a lot so he said that he randy was on the couch shot in the face with a shotgun at close range he went to the bedroom he found brian face down on the on the bed and blood all over the wall he said quote i turned the light on because i couldn't believe what i was seeing i was in a daze or something i couldn't even use the phone he was just like in a trance of oh shit so eventually he does use the phone and he notifies the police luckily which is the first

person who's done that in this fucking episode so the police they're like well shit who can we talk to around here? They talked to the neighbors and couldn't really get anything. So they said, well, let's ask our relatives, right, two doors down. Maybe they've heard something. So they go knock on that door and no answer, no answer. They see a broken window in the back and they go, all right, let's go check on this. So they check in and they find a bloodbath in there.

All those casings, blood everywhere. Chester behind the crouch behind the television set. Mrs. Perry shot in the head, half her head missing over by the door. You know what happened to the poor baby? All of it. Yeah, this is a terrible thing to obviously come into here. The coroner. can you imagine? Yeah, to walk into this.

The coroner said the damage to the victims was so severe that it wasn't even really possible always to tell how many entrance and exit wounds there were because who knows? It's all one big mess at this point. It's just, oh, Christ. So this crime scene, this is obviously a horrific crime scene. So what you should do is you should obviously close it off, seal that bitch up tight. Don't let anybody in or out except for whoever the investigators in charge are, the homicide investigators and whoever they deem critically necessary forensically to be there. Otherwise, this shit is closed off. No, they didn't do that.

This is a big deal down here. They don't have a lot of stuff like this going on. So they started giving tours out to people. Come check it out. Not officially, but like, hey, if they got the cops have like buddies, like, hey, come over, check this place out. So there's just people traipsing through this crime scene like crazy. They said, well, who was on these tours?

One of them said, quote, a Jennings City marshal and his 9- or 10-year-old son he brought to the crime scene. Yeah, that's who I'd let in. They said three people were shown through the house, but they said they didn't identify the third person as well. This isn't a marshal who has any authority in Lake Arthur or anybody who could possibly participate in the investigation. Just a buddy of his who was curious to see a bloody house. And they were like, sure, traipse on through it. Wow. He just let a friend come by.

Yeah. At least the mayor is trying to help on that one stupid episode when the mayor's you know putting trails of fucking footprints through the blood samples this is different though this is a 10 year old saw this yeah they just bring your kid over to bring your kid to work day that's a weird sorry son it's a weird day for bring your child to work day buddy shuffles his hair come on in this is this one's gonna ruin you forever oh man they said that the cops said it didn't look like as if a burglar had been there. The one guy said, I didn't find anything out of place in the house except for guns scattered all over the place. They found guns everywhere. They found a total of nine guns, including the 12-gauge shotgun there, allegedly used, obviously, to kill Mrs. Perry and the child.

A jimmied open gun rack. So he broke the lock on that. He said there were two 12-gauge shotguns in one bedroom, a third in another bedroom, and a.22 caliber pistol in a third room. So there is a fucking lot of guns. They talked to the neighbors. They said, oh, yeah, we heard what sounded like gunshots coming from the house on sunday like oh that would have been nice to tell somebody about it glad you tell

us today wow so right away this becomes holy shit the slaughter of lake arthur pandemonium pandemonium the one cop said people in lake arthur locked their doors slept with the lights on and armed themselves in fear that someone would come for them. So who are they thinking about? Obviously, the only suspect is Michael because he lives on the property. He's got problems. They want to talk to him. And he's got a bad relationship with his parents as well.

So he's not allowed in there. His aunt Zula Lion is his aunt's name. His aunt Zula Lion is his aunt's name. She said that she thought that he would have done it to obtain the insurance proceeds from his parents life insurance policies. So he was he would always say that he was infuriated with them for that. And he had threatened to kill them in the past over it. But this was 10 years ago. Police switchboards are lit up. I mean, you can't even like call. You call it like they shut the phone systems down with calls to the police station from people claiming that they saw him.

He's here. He's in my yard. I see him behind a bush because they're so paranoid. They see a shadow. They call the cops and go, Michael Owen Perry's in my yard. No, he's in there now. And it's like a cat. It's a stray cat.

He got five people in one day, and we haven't seen him in 48 hours. He could be anywhere. Literally anywhere. But people called claiming that he was in their attic. Yeah. Several people. I think he's in 48 hours. He could be anywhere. Literally anywhere. But people called claiming that he was in their attic. Yeah. Several people. I think he's in my attic. You got to come get him.

Everywhere I hear noises and I'm not there, it's him. It's a possum or something. You know, it's a groundhog crawled up there. Yeah. So that's what the people were doing, though. They were freaking out. The state troopers said, we got a description of a vehicle. We ran the tag number and found it registered to Chester Perry.

They want to talk to Michael. I don't know whether they're going to charge him or not. That's what the one state trooper says. So the search focuses immediately on Texas highways because it's right there to Texas. Because a neighbor had quoted Perry as saying he was heading for Tijuana when he's talked to him that day. So they're going to kind of

try to cut him off at the pass going to Tijuana. He knows his way to California. If he knows his way to California, he knows his way to Tijuana. He'll find it. They're also going to search the Lake Charles area just in case that was a feign. You know what I mean? So they use patrol dogs. They have dogs.

They search the whole area around Lake Arthur. They search the Lake Arthur Cemetery as well. They search – one area they search because police officers reported hearing gunshots in a rural area. But then they found out that there's gunshots everywhere in that area. They say, yeah, there's people always shooting guns out here. All over Louisiana. This is rural Louisiana. Investigators then learned that Perry had recently bought several survival magazines the week before the murders.

And so they found – and when they searched his trailer, they found no food in there either. So they're like, is he planning on like hauling up in a swamp somewhere in a bayou? Like, you know, who knows? They don't know. Great question. Yeah. So they look in his trailer and they look around when they find no food. It's a treasure trove, buddy.

They find what appears to be a list of people he wants to kill. Yeah. He's got a list. Sure. A list. It's written on the back of a of a blank check just like it's a it's an expense payroll check from his where his father works which he just stole one of those that's where he's gonna write the names who to kill uh the list included

relatives who's who he did kill obviously so he crossed all those bad boys off then some celebrities as well as we'll talk about the war by the way the people that he killed he wrote the word sky next to them in parentheses like they're in the sky now yeah like that's where they are okay um the really weird thing is uh he had above the list he had written quote the 10 commandments that was the title of this list of people he wanted to kill which didn't even have 10 people and i don't understand commandment to what kill these people it makes no sense so they found on these names uh there is olivia newton john you know she's not answering him so that's not good and uh judge o'connor who is uh supreme court justice sandra day o'connor really yes that's who he'd also like to kill so olivia newton john sandra day o'connor

these are the women i'm upset with them severe jump in yeah in status so once they found out about that and they got a hold of olivia newJohn's people, Olivia Newton-John's people said, oh, is that that crazy motherfucker who shows up fucking every other week and says he has to save Olivia from being under a lake? Color his hands. Yeah. Are they blue? Are they blue? So the man with blue hands. That's wow.

So the authorities begin searching the Beverly Hills area, too, because they think he probably went there. He's probably doing that. So it's very scary. They talk to Olivia Newton-John, the press does, and she says the cases like this are an unfortunate part of public life and, you know, just hope he gets caught. It's like I don't know what to say here. I hope he doesn't murder me. At that moment, though, she was in Australia with her parents because – And not coming back.

Yeah, not coming back for a while. So they also had two letters signed by Perry here. These are letters that he had written to send to Olivia Newton-John that he hadn't sent yet. Okay. Now, he'd sent a bunch of letters, but here's one. So, oh, boy. So they get the piece of paper. He says, this is what he says to Olivia Newton-John.

Quote, I know much about Apollo and the nine muses. Oh, no. Like from Greek mythology. Okay. He said, and I said, as I said, I saw Xanadu for the first time in months gone by. So that's what he said. So he's like, I know all about this. We should totally talk about it.

He said, quote, after I saw the movie, I, quote, went shopping and saw many girls who looked like you with long hair and now with short hair. So girls used to have long hair like you, but now you cut your hair because she had that early 80s thing. That's what they're doing now, too. And her hairstyle became a fashionable thing after that. I mean, she was a fashion maker. So he said that he wrote of, oh, boy.

He said, listen, I understand what's going on. He talked about a, quote, underground network operating under his trailer and his parents home it's all under there okay oh no and he said quote i heard voices which is right away what you want to hear from someone i heard voices and the voices said to me that you are a muse trapped under lake arthur so the reason why i gave you that whole plot was he sees her as a muse like her character in fucking xanadu he's like she she's like couldn't he just see me as an australian high school student honestly couldn't just some chick who came to the america and wants to bone him fucking john travolta can't he see me in just black leather and with a boyfriend? Come on. Yeah, like with a boyfriend who's a greaser.

Can we do that? So he said he wrote, he also said that he wrote the second letter in four different pens. Oh. Okay, why would you write a letter in four different pens? Well, that's because, quote, because there were four rivers leading from paradise. So, four different pens. Oh, my God. Yeah, he's really thinking deep.

Who gives a fuck about the pens? Yeah, he had to tell us. Was it a red pen, a green pen, a blue pen, a black pen? Was it a different color ink? I wonder if it was one of those that had like six of them. Remember when you were a kid? Oh, yeah, yeah. Those were great when you were a kid.

They're real fat, hard to write with when you're little, but man, they were fun. He said, quote, I lost my only brother. I have only a married sister left and a father and a mother in one of them, in one of the letters. Then he said to her, whoa, boy, if you are real, write to me and tell me so. If you are not real, someneyland puppet then i will take those matters what okay now that's no update no mom no dad by the way that's not his whole explanation that's the letters later on he does an interview and gives and really delves into it and it's fucking crazy and he'll say why he decided to kill a baby as well he had reasons he had reasons okay

now now there's a manhunt for him obviously yeah manhunt this is a quote from the paper the suspect is described in police bulletins as a white male slender 5 11 160 pounds with short brown hair and a duck tail i guess that is your mullet he's got no no james that's the that's a greaser a duck tail oh yeah yeah with this thing up back and then yeah yeah yeah he's got he's got a fucking t-birds duck tail and a light beard yeah he thinks he's for volta he is believed to be driving a 1980 oldsmobile regency and carrying a 357 stolen from his father's house which we find out later he tossed it into the canal so So he doesn't have that. The cops at one point, they get a report from someone called in and said there's an armed man in the Perry home, his dead parents' house.

So the cops showed up and pumped it full of tear gas shells. Just showed up and fucking overwhelmed this house. There's nobody in there. Nobody. They also just gassed that, the trailer, Perry's trailer behind there. They said people just switchboards fucking clogged and everything. They can't fucking figure it out. So they're hunting for him.

Lafayette Sheriff's deputies and Lafayette police and state police were, quote, intensely combing North Lafayette after a man reported that he saw Perry at 7 p.m. This is two days later, walking on the Ambassador Caffery Parkway overpass over the I-10 or across the I-10. They said that the man who reported the sighting once lived in Lake Arthur and knows Perry. So that's why he knew it was him. The man said Perry was walking into Lafayette wearing a brown shirt and green shorts. And that same night, a clerk at a FINA service station, so FINA, is that a gas station? Near the I-10 reported she received a telephone call from Perry, who threatened to kill her.

Hey, ring ring hey yeah hey is this the fina station yeah hi um this is michael owen perry i'm gonna kill you why i don't know he's never been to this fina station before i mean maybe someday but not it's not like a regular there or anything no he just decided to she said he called and that's what happened. So July 29th, 1983, there's all these sightings all around Louisiana and especially around the Lafayette area. By the 29th of July, Sheriff, there's a big article in the paper here, the Daily Advertiser, Sheriff feels Michael Perry out of state.

Like, we feel like he's gone. Pretty sure there's no fucking way he's here we've been looking and uh we ain't found shit we ain't found shit as baseballs once said so he they said michael erin michael owen perry they said we flew the marshes and flew every road and canal we've walked the woods from lake arthur to memento and turned up nothing so they said we don't know at all. They said, yeah, there's calls that came in that said he was in Lafayette and all this type of shit. But we used helicopters, dogs, and horseback deputies when we got that call.

They said, as much as we've covered this part of the country, I feel that he's traveling out of state. They said he had a lot of survivalist literature in the trailer. So they thought he could be anywhere. The guy said he's been reading and buying that kind of stuff for, I reckon, a pretty good while. Reckon. I reckon a pretty good while. He put an H in that

while hard. He really while. He said that a flood of calls, every call they got turned up nothing. It was all bullshit. He said, we flood of calls, every call they got turned up nothing. It was all bullshit. He said, we were getting calls here on somebody who'd see someone on the road hitchhiking or walking or anything, just walking from one spot to the other, and we'd get calls. So any guy that anybody saw outside, they'd just call the cops and say, it might be him.

So finally, August 1st, 1983. So this is, you know, two weeks almost, two weeks to the day after the actual murder here. He is arrested, finally. They found him. Yes, they found him. Where is he, you might ask? Where do you think he is, Jimmy?

The Mexican border. Hiding maybe in the underground tunnel system under his trailer, possibly. Ten feet away from Tijuana. He is in Washington, D.C. What? Oh, Sandra Dee. He is.

Oh, my God. Sandra Dee. In Greece, she's Sandra Dee. Is that why? Look at me. I'm Sandy. It's fucking Sandy Dee. It's Sandy Dee.

And then Sandra Day O'Connor. He went after sandy d is is that what this is gotta be right it has to be well there's no other way he has another reason but we'll talk about it when they arrest him because now it's it's not in his words but i think that triggered it though it had to be yeah so sandy that's it had to be that. So he's going to show up. Sandy, I don't like your judgments. So they arrest him on charges. Now, there's two different, by the way. They arrest him at first on some disturbance thing, but he's also arrested on charges of shoplifting a radio from a department store.

Which makes sense because wait till you hear what's in his hotel room and shit. It is. Take a ride to crazy town, Jimmy. He says he'll waive extradition. He's cool with that. Go ahead and take me. He arrived in Washington, D.C. on the 18th of July, by the way. He went right there, just drove right there.

So all that looking was a waste. He checked into the Annex Hotel. While there, he paid rent in advance, as we'll talk about. He also bought numerous items from a television store. And these stores, the clerk at the store watched him load them into a car matching the description of the stolen father's car. So he ended up having an encounter i guess with a guest at the annex which led to the police being called so at the hotel he got in some kind of he's on the run for five murders and he can't keep his head down and chill the

fuck out i don't he's not capable of it you know what i mean so an officer ran a routine check on him and learned that he's wanted for five counts of murder in louisiana like holy shit they didn't expect that he used his real name oh yeah he used his real name yeah he told him i'm michael oh he had a driver's license on him or whatever yeah id so at the time of his arrest he had eleven hundred dollars and a hotel key on him that's what he had so they get a search warrant for his room among these things were recently purchased television sets. Sets. He has seven televisions in his room.

What? Seven. Seven televisions in his room. And that's. Seven 1983 televisions? Yeah. So there's smaller ones. There's no like fucking 32-incher or anything like that. A console model.

But he's got something he can carry. But this is in addition. So he brought in six because there was one in the room to begin with. All right. So, oh, my God. We'll talk about this, too. The names of the five people he killed are written on the side of one of them as well. On the other ones written across the screens in red diagonally olivia written across all of them

olivia olivia olivia written in red fucking shit across the goddamn television screens seven of them walk into this room what's happening walk into that room and go oh my This is a – wow. Holy shit. I'll live here. So the vehicle was also recovered. He didn't have it with him, though, because it had been in a police impound lot where it had been towed for parking in a no-parking zone. He couldn't even park properly while on the run for murder. So the police in Louisiana confirm that it is him. He was arrested on charges of theft and fugitive from being a fugitive from justice. They identify him completely and 100 percent by the burn scars on his leg.

Oh, shit. That's how they could tell he's being held in the city central cell block there. And they said they have identified a burn on the suspect's leg that's supposed to correlate with one of Perry's. So that's what they said. They said, also, I know people are going to sleep a little better around here, and we can get some rest now in Lake Arthur. We got him accounted for. When arrested, he's wearing cut-off shorts, cut-off jean shorts.

He made some cut-offs and a Washington, D.C. T-shirt. So he went there. He's like, I'm going to really get into the spirit of this thing. He got into the spirit of this thing. Got some tourist merch. Well, yeah, like everybody else who might go to see the Supreme Court building. You know what I mean? It's hard to shake it.

When you walk by it, sometimes you see the shirt and you're like, it's kind of cool. I'd probably wear it so he waved extradition and said quote i think the best thing for me to do is to go out there to louisiana and see what's going on yeah let's see what's going on mike what do you say oh what do you say what's Mike? Oh, my God. So they gather the evidence in his room. They found another list in his room. This list and note indicated his intent to murder both Olivia Newton-John and, of course, Sandra Day O'Connor. If you're not American, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. So kind of a big – there's nine of them. Sandy.

Sandy. Sandy. Sandy. Come on Sandy Sandy come back so he um they said that quote he'd come to DC to get O'Connor that was why he was there unbelievable it has to be the Sandra Dee part it has to fucking well what he'll say to a psychiatrist a little later on is he said he wanted to kill Olivia Newton-John because, you know, you got to cut her head off and take it home with you probably because she's a muse. Either that, but they said, well, why Sandra Day O'Connor? And he said he was angry that she was appointed to the Supreme Court because, quote, no woman should ever be above a man. Oh, my. That's why he wanted to kill her. Oh, my. She was a woman on the Supreme Court because, quote, no woman should ever be above a man. Oh, my. That's why he wanted to kill her.

Oh, my. She was a woman on the Supreme Court. The only time they should be above a man is in reverse cowgirl. In reverse cowgirl. And then I watch them bounce up and down. I say, spread your butthole out and let me take a look. That's right. Can I jam something in it?

Excellent. So they sit him down and they say why why and they asked him why why did you kill all those people his response uh well quote the boys threw me out of my grandmother's house which is the cousins next door i guess he used to live there and now he lives in a trailer behind because he's nuts so they put him back there rather than. That does hurt a little. He said, stole money from me all the time. Don't know if that's true.

And harassed me constantly. Okay. You can have beef with your cousins. I don't know if it's true. Probably not true, honestly. But even if it is, you can have beef with your cousins. That's fine. You can be mad at your cousins.

It's simply his perception, yeah. He said, my mother and father wouldn't leave me alone. Actually, they left you alone in the backyard. He said, they made me live in that little trailer behind the house and all those stinking dog pens. Oh, the dogs was a big point of contention. It's a part of it. See what I mean? I feel you, buddy.

The dogs are like, you split the fucking dogs. But at the same time, they wouldn't leave him alone. But then they made him stay out there alone so it's a he's a little off there he said they took all my money all the time wouldn't let me in their house when i wanted he said i just couldn't take it anymore um so the cop said i asked him why he killed the child well why'd you kill the child he said quote the kid was evil some sort of devil a witch of some sort and um the psychiatrist later said well like they said i the child's too young to do anything or harm you the child doesn't even talk why kill the child and And he said, quote, he was a very smart kid, too smart for his age.

I had to make sure he was dead. Too smart for his age. What does that even mean? That means he's a devil or a witch or something because he's being obviously too smart for a toddler. So he must be a devil. The devil's not. The devil would never. The devil would always.

He'll have a different reason later on in his interview. Wait till you hear that. Holy shit. Like I said, whatever you're hearing now and thinking, wow, you've heard nothing yet. You've heard nothing. Nothing. The devil's going to impersonate themselves. They'll never pass them off perfectly as a toddler.

Never. It'll always reflect as a very educated devil. When the devil comes back to earth, he's going to come back as a toddler. And brilliant as fuck. Just a drooling on himself, but then out of nowhere, he'll just write a book. You don't know. He'll just say some smart things. Drooling on himself while he does calculus.

It's wild, man. It's weird. So in the motel, they also want to talk to the motel people. And the woman who checked him in said he was very quiet he would stay in his room until late at night all the time he'd stay up late at night i guess he she said quote i checked mike perry and myself this is danette hernandez here she said it was sometime between 3 and 11 p.m because that was her shift on july 18th. I don't remember exactly, but I worked the graveyard shift,

so it had to be between those hours. 3 p.m. to 11 was the graveyard shift, by the way. 3 p.m. That's the second shift here. 3 p.m. Sun shining bright. It doesn't even get dark until like 9 o'clock in the fucking summer in July there, and she's like, that's a graveyard right there.

It's bright outside. For at least half your shift yeah she said he paid the annex hotels 19 room rate daily 19 by the way uh until july 24th when he paid for 25 days in advance. He gave... What is that? $547.50 is exactly what he paid. That's so cheap. That included $500 bills, by the way. That were probably from his dad's billfold there.

She said that a maid... He let maids come in his room. A maid noticed a number of television sets in his room, some of which had Olivia scrawled across them in red lettering. He let a maid see that. And they were like, whatever. The Jefferson County investigator, Jefferson Davis County investigator, Ted Gary, confirmed that Perry had at least seven portable TV sets in his hotel room, a tape deck, radios, and other items, and he did confirm that Olivia was scrawled on them.

So that shit's real. The clerk also said that Perry supplied the required home address when he registered. She said he listed his address as 635 Louisiana Street, Lake Arthur, Louisiana. She said he was very quiet. He didn't come out of his room often. I don't really remember what he looked like. The only thing I remember about him is that he would come in and out late at night, after midnight,

and never wore a shirt or shoes. We'll talk about that, too, because he's No shirt, no shoes. No shirt, no shoes. Come on in. Service, not a problem. They said the only complaint we had about him was when he stole the radio. So apparently that's an issue. So, wow. He's a fascinating man.

He's fascinating. Now he's in the car on the way home. He gets so much more fascinating. Looney Tunes Kenny Chesney. Wow. He really is. He's a bonkers so morgan whalen is what you're saying isn't that looney tunes kenny chesney yeah same thing so um

he says that um i only know that from you by the way because i don't know who those people are otherwise it's what you have told me people are gonna go how the hell does james know that from listening to you so i pay attention when when he talks. See, now you know. I oftentimes rant about the people I don't appreciate. I listen. I listen. Just so you know, my ear's to the ground here. I'm listening to you.

You're not just shouting it into the ether. I got your back, pal. So on his way home, he said, well, I'm on the way back. Let me point you out. Will you swing by a couple of places? Let me show you where I threw these guns out that you might be interested in. He's willing to show. He knows that.

Oh, yeah, yeah. He pointed them out, discarded weapons. One's there. One's right there. He knew everything, what was going on. Yeah, no problem. He's being transported from the jail to the state hospital for the criminally insane at the moment. Just to have a little look over, uh, look, see here.

He's taken to the hospital for that. Um, they, um, they said they were found exactly where he said they would be found in a drainage canal Southwest of Jennings. So the charges are five counts of first fucking degree murder. Yeah. Period. Death penalty. Yeah. Period. Death penalty. All that shit. This is this is bad shit.

He wants to plead guilty. He does. He tries to plead guilty. He goes to court and said, I'm fucking guilty. Guilty is my plea. And the judge said, I don't accept that guilty plea because the state law prohibits people from pleading guilty in capital murder cases at the time. Because that's akin to suicide at that point because you're going to get the death penalty. So they won't let you plead for that.

And two psychiatric experts who examined him said that he's a paranoid schizophrenic who slips in and out of reality. They both recommended he undergo additional testing at the mental hospital before we start throwing terms like guilty and not guilty around here. So he officially pleads innocent and innocent by reason of insanity to the charges. He's being held on, in 1983, $5 million bond. You had to be like Carlos the Jackal in in 1983 to be held on you had to be like an international terrorist to be held on that kind of money back then he can't i mean at least he's a he's a national terrorist he was he killed five people and was on his way to get sandra dale

connor oh yeah no no he needs to be held certainly a terrorist i just don't think i don't know how he could get a hold of say one million you know what i mean five million giving him a chance to secure the bond it's just my way he's getting yeah he's not getting five million is like they might as well said 48 billion jillion you know google dollars all that he has literally 1100 dollars yeah anything out of that realm it's like do y'all take tv sets? These ones are a little, they may need new screens. They're used, don't get me wrong. I carved Olivia into the glass, so that's a bad thing.

So they talk about how he doesn't even really think of himself as insane, really. His attorney said that as soon as he enters a plea of not guilty, he's making himself vulnerable to the death penalty. So it said when, when it came to the possibility of an insanity defense, they said that Perry actually has more going for him than a lot of defendants. A lot of people just go, I'm crazy. Whereas he has a documented history of bonkersness.

So long history of confinement for mental illness, all this type of shit. So they said he's got a shot. You got to plead not guilty by insanity. In addition to that, he says he makes a request to the judge in court to, quote, see the graves of the five relatives he's accused of killing. No, they said. You sure you're on a five million dollar bond. You go and get that. What are you talking about? Sure, you're on a $5 million bond. You go ahead and throw that together. You can go take a visit. Go ahead and knock yourself out.

Have a look-see. Have a look-see. Drop some carnations down and go for a walk here. They said you're not doing that. The deputy also told the judge that Perry – oh, the judge told Perry that he could see copies of the death certificates to verify their deaths if that's what it's about. Because if you want to make sure they're dead, is that what you're doing? You left. You don't know.

Maybe you're saying – if he's especially a little off mentally, maybe he thinks they made it up and they're not really dead. So it's like I'll show you paperwork if that's what you're interested in. Now here comes some strange behavior in court, OK? He would craft –esus christ man first of all he'd come in and like headbands and shit but it wasn't a he had different headbands first he had a ragged strip of cloth that he would just pull out of his pocket and he would tie it around his head like rambo um and then later on he'd take off, tie it around his wrist or his hand, just whatever. Then he would fashion headbands out of napkins, like twist napkins up into a headband and wear that to court. Headband napkin.

Okay. Wear that to court. He often showed up in court barefoot and wearing dirty clothing. Dude, that's the lawyer's got to clothing. Dude, that's the law. The lawyer's got to go. Yeah. Where's the lawyer in this? This is not.

I'm getting in there and putting shoes on you. You can't fucking go in a court like that. So when he did wear shoes or socks, he would just take them off halfway through the proceedings. Anyway, he just take them off in the courtroom, in the court. As you know, outside, outside of court, he never wears shoes and socks. In court, fuck it. I'm not wearing them either. They're sweaty.

I got to let them breathe. I'm sweaty. I get that foot sweat going on. My dogs are barking. Oh, boy, I'll tell you. It's been a long day. My dogs are barking, everybody. Takes them off.

When a reporter asked him in court, why do you do that? Why do you take your shoes and socks off in court? His answer, Jimmy? I breathe through my feet. That would be more sane. At least that makes sense. This is what I mean. I felt like I was being suffocated. I got gills in between my little finger toes. His answers, that would at least go, okay, A to B to C logic.

It's crazy logic, obviously, but at least there's logic. He just said, well, quote, it's the lifestyle of the mafia. You got to keep moving. What? That's it. That's his whole explanation.

He takes his shoes and socks off in court because it's, quote, the lifestyle of the mafia. You've got to keep moving. So now he's in the mafia now and people in the mafia stay barefoot so they can move away at a quick clip or pace. The thing about shoes is that it helps you move. Yeah, they're good for – I've never seen an NBA game where everyone isn't wearing sneakers and those guys have to move a lot. They usually have shoes on.

I've never seen a guy kick them off on a fast break. And I get that there's marathon runners that run barefoot. I understand. Don't send us. We get that. Are there? Yeah, yeah. That's a big thing.

Some people from Kenya will, I don't know if they still do it, but years ago, it would be like the old Broncos kicker who had no shoe on like a moron in Denver. Remember him? Yeah. In the 80s? Rich Carlos? Yeah. Walking through the snower who had no shoe on like a moron in denver remember him yeah in the 80s rich carless yeah walking through the snow to kick him 20 degrees outside and he's barefoot in a fucking ball that's crazy yeah his foot was pink as a baby's oh it's so stupid but so dumb i've run barefoot before hurts like a like a basket. You ever catch a rock? If you grew up never wearing shoes, though, you wouldn't feel like that. That would be fine.

Really? You have calluses on your feet. Yeah, yeah. We're not like that. We wear shoes all the time, so our feet are very sensitive. You know that little archy part? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's real tender.

You catch a rock there, it's over, my friend. I agree. There's people that do it, though. There's people that never wear shoes. You catch a rock there. It's over, my friend. I agree. There's people that do it, though.

There's people that never wear shoes. So also he had a tendency to spit and make obscene gestures as he sat at the defense table. What are the gestures? He's sitting there giving people the finger. Really? He gave the prosecutor the finger. He gave his own attorney the finger while he was doing his opening later on. That's what he did. The judge.

He fucking. I fucks the jury, dude. He mean mugs the jury later on that's what he did the judge that he he fucking he i fucks the jury dude he mean mugs the jury later on he literally like sitting stares him down sneers at him he he'll just be like poo and just spit out of nowhere what are you doing it's the way of the mafia pal so we're gonna have a little competency hearing about old michael owen perry what do you say everybody let's all uh let's have a look see under the hood and make sure we got everything here okay he just spit he just spit and took his shoes off and then fashioned his napkin into a headband and now he's just not not angry at anybody he just he just spit and then gave the jury form in the finger. Let's take a look at him and make sure. So Jesus Christ, it says that obviously Louisiana has their own. Every state has their own standards of shit. And then it's all the Supreme the Constitution, Supreme Court, that all kind of their rulings go over everything. But everybody tries to – the mental illness thing, the mental illness defense, every state kind of has their own little niches about that. So they said at that point he was shipped to the Feliciana Forensic Facility for the criminally insane where he was shipped after being found incompetent to stand trial the first time as we'll find out.

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He said that robots told him to kill his family. Oh, no. And that also, in addition to that, robots told him that if he himself, Michael Owen Perry, were to be shot in the head, it wouldn't kill him. Not him? He gave him some robot advice, and he said, your head is fucking impervious to bullets, bro.

Don't worry, there's no brain in there while in the hospital he also shaved his eyebrows yep here's your theory jimmy to increase the flow of oxygen to his brain that's where he breathes that's see what i mean that's what i said that was that's normal insane logic. That's not just. Everybody wonders what eyebrow. Why do we have these things on our face? They're blocking my breath. What they do is they filter dust and particulates from getting into your eyes. And you sweat.

Or into your brain when you breathe. That's what they tell us. That's the thing. The real reason is it's to keep people down because it keeps you below your actual brain capacity because if you had enough oxygen in your brain to do all the functions that you wanted without these goddamn eyebrows the world couldn't take the thoughts that you have and he is shaving his eyebrows to increase the flow of oxygen to his that is the craziest of the crazy appearances when you got no yeah yeah that's different unless you're the mon appearances. When you got no eyebrows. Yeah, yeah, that's different.

Oh, boy. Unless you're the Mona Lisa, you're in trouble. So Perry, they determined that he suffers from, quote, incurable psychotic condition called schizoaffective disorder, is what they say at the time. It's an illness that you always have, the psychiatrist said. She said, but it can vary in its intensity. And she also said Haldol, which is a powerful antipsychotic drug, was prescribed to calm him down and diminish the symptoms so he could try him and kill him.

So we're going to get him nice and calm so we can put him out of his deal here. And Harry Connick Jr.'s dad is going to murk him. You know how it goes. So the first commission was composed as a commission to decide of doctors, to decide his sanity. Dr. Louis E. Shirley Jr., a general practitioner with some capacity to treat psychiatric disorders. So he's just a regular doctor. Dr. Young Hee Kang, a general practitioner

who completed a residency in psychiatry, again, not a psychiatrist, and the other doctor that we just talked about who is a psychiatrist. So after brief interviews with him in jail,

they were both of the opinion that he needed further evaluation. They said, we find he has a long history of paranoid schizophrenia and that this time is not in complete contact with reality and may be dangerous to himself and others. Obviously. Sure.

So second sanity hearing. OK. Composed of the same two doctors who were on the first commission, non-psychiatrist, plus an additional physician who specializes in psychiatry, Dr. Aretha J. Rathmull. So they testified that he was, quote, presently sane and able to proceed with the trial. Rathmull added, in my opinion, he was sane at the time of the alleged offense. He's suffering from a mental disease. But at the time, it is offense. He's suffering from a mental disease, but at the time, it is in my opinion that he was sane.

Now, okay. We can say criminally responsible. If you want to call it that, let's call it that, but words have meaning. That's what I mean. That's what I don't like when we charge a 12-year-old as an adult. Well, then why do we have

the word adult? Let's just not use that word anymore. Let's's use something else i just want us to all be honest and not use euphemisms we can say that he you know is sane enough but you can't say he was sane at the time of the killings you cannot say this is a sane man you just can't and how do you prove that at the time because we're in fucking not that time because he planned waited and they said he could compose a plan to do all this steal the money try to hide that's because once you try to cover up your actions and run away and do all that but he didn't do it for that reason he was like oh now next on my list sandra day o'connor and he got he's not cover it. He left them out, for God's sakes.

And he left to D.C. He didn't do anything to cover anything. Yeah. So out of all the doctors who've examined him, only Rathmel thinks he was rational on on the day he did the killings. Based on three hours of interviews and a two hour scan, two hours of looking over thousands of pages of medical records from two different mental institutions. So she just looked him over. She's like, I think he was fine.

Like, this was a quick thing here. The only thing that, to me, says he knew what he was doing was throwing the guns away. Outside of that. Yeah, absolutely. Outside of that, I think he was just in furtherance of the crime. It's fucking wild. So that's all it was based on.

They said that the records compiled by psychiatrists at Central States Hospital in Pineville diagnosed him as having paranoid illness, which they indicate is more of a character trait or a state of mind than is the more serious schizophrenic illness. So she was like, he's like a light schizophrenic illness so she was like he's like a light schizophrenic not really you know he's like like diet smear you know what i mean diet schizo zero yeah that's you know how it goes you know how it is skit zero is good stuff it's delicious really gotta have schite. That is fucking insane. Oh, my God. So she characterized schizophrenia as a more incapacitating thinking disorder because he's doing great, this guy.

She believed that he periodically has severe psychotic problems or psychiatric problems but agreed, she found at the time of his examination, he was in remission of a paranoid illness. So on cross-examination of this doctor admitted other hospital records characterized him as having paranoid schizophrenia. And she noted that those words always appeared with the signature of non-medical personnel. She said that she noted no psychiatrist had ever documented the diagnosis of acute paranoid schizophrenia. So that's how she goes. She says that

the criteria is able to assist his counsel at trial, be aware of the charges against him, and be able to help in his defense. He can do all of that while wearing no shoes and a napkin headband. And spitting and spitting and giving his attorney the finger. That's going to go over very well in court so uh the judge here was like jesus fucking christ he says okay

i guess he ruled that the evidence is clear that he's presently sane and mentally competent for the purpose of understanding the proceedings against him and is able to assist his counsel in defense so here we go now while this going on, there's a lawsuit filed against him. This is the second lawsuit filed against him. He's facing trial here. Mrs. Dorothy LeBlanc Ashford, who is his aunt,

uh, filed a $2 million wrongful death suit in connection with the shooting of Brian, who was her son, Brian LeBlanc. Um, a similar suit was filed by Gwendolyn Walker, who was the mother of Randall Paul Perry, his cousin who he shot there.

Ashford is a sister of his father, Louis Chester, of Michael's father, Chester, there. So that's what we got going on. He's also being sued for millions of dollars because he has insurance policies. They're saying if he gets that, they want that money. So October 1985 is finally this trial. They go through. They try to seat a jury.

Everyone knows of this case. They can't seat a jury anywhere in the county. So they have to move the trial to Baton Rouge, which, as we know, is an hour 40 something away. So far away. So as before the trial, he withdrew his plea of innocent by reason of insanity and just pleaded innocent. His attorneys begged him not to do this. They said, please, if you have the innocent by reason of insanity, at least maybe they won't do this. If you just say innocent

you definitely did it you're getting put in the fucking electric chair this is crazy running not guilty is just that's that's nuts yeah we can sell you're crazy we can sell it that's a sell but we can't sell whatever other crazy shit you got going on here just that you're innocent so perry during this in court he said this he tries to shake hands with the assistant attorney general as the court proceedings start and he said i just want to make sure it's a fair trial that's what perry says while trying to shake the hand of the guy yeah then he says to the prosecutor quote it's up to you you're the one prosecuting and then he sits down like balls in your court buddy like he was playing judge now oh boy now the sanity law in louisiana the defendant

has the burden of establishing that he's crazy that's how that works in louisiana you have the burden of establishing incapacity because louisiana law presumes the defendant is sane and responsible for his actions in the law. So the defense must prove by a clear preponderance of the evidence that the defendant is incompetent to stand trial as a result of a mental disease or defect. And that's how that goes. That's fucked up. Yeah.

So he's obviously sane now. He's good now, as we say in crime and sports lore. He's good now. But wait. His trials move to Baton Rouge. His antics get weirder in court from there. Okay. He's now taken to, in addition to making napkin headbands, spitting, cursing, giving the finger and taking his shoes off,

he now takes to wearing paper he now does the paper like for his headbands but he he puts them around his toes now like he got a pedicure like he got a pedicure yeah and he makes faces at members of the jury well your attorney's trying to mount your defense and you're playing with your toes like imagine how weird that looks to a jury. He often made faces at the members of the jury or, out of nowhere, would just offer his, quote, offer comments about his, quote, connections with the mafia. Somebody would be testifying and he'd just go, I'm in the mafia.

You know what we do when we don't like somebody? We kill them. Okay. And he's claimed not guilty. Not guilty and sane, too. And I'm also sane. The judge eventually had the first two rows of seats behind him cleared so that nobody would get hurt. Because they didn't know he's so unpredictable.

They didn't know if he'd just start swinging his arms around, start spitting at people behind him. Who knows? He needs a two-row buffer. A two-row buffer zone to keep him away from people. So, holy shit. His aunt, who is his mom's sister, she visited him 18 times in jail and brought him clothes, writing supplies, and toiletries.

Felt bad for him. You know, still is her nephew, and she probably realizes he's fucking crazy. So she said, quote, in September of 1983, when I knew they were fixing to transfer him to Jackson, I was concerned about the weather turning cooler, and I brought him some long-sleeved shirts. As I was leaving, he said to me that he had killed those people. He said, Aunt Zula, I did it.

I killed those people. He said that the scene the day of the murders was like a battlefield in Vietnam. You don't know. Dead people. He's never been to Vietnam. Another time he said, don't worry. Those people meant nothing to me. He told her a different time.

Oh, thank God. So varying degrees of. That makes it so much better she ends up testifying all this against him so she becomes like public enemy number one to him after olivia newton john of course um standard day forget it she calls it she's like my aunt zulu that ratted me out that bitch like dude you killed everybody and then went somewhere and told everyone about it what are you talking about? So she also said that she heard Michael deny involvement with killing this family also in jail.

He also said, I didn't do it one day. Then he said, yeah, I did. It looked like a Vietnam battlefield. She also said her nephew told her stories that she considered, quote, whoppers and some big lies. And sometimes he would say things just to get get attention and shock her so she didn't know what to believe from him because you know he's a wackadoo so xanadu as we've said the bat shit nut doesn't fall far from the crazy tree right so um fingerprints they find here a fingerprint expert examined 34 pieces of evidence taken from the home of Chester and Grace Perry, you know, his parents' home,

and testified in court that zero prints matched any samples taken from Michael Owen Perry. He left no fingerprints. How did he do that? His footprint was found on the passenger side windshield of his mother's car.

Why would his footprint be up there? Who the fuck knows? Maybe he tried to kick it. Tried to kick it in. Listen, when you get relaxed over there in the passenger seat, you put your feet up. And if you put your shoes on, your foot's going to show up. I was thinking the outside of it.

I guess that makes sense. They said, though, that they don't know when that print was made. So, Jesus Christ. I love how the newspapers describe things. Perry, a 30-year-old ex-mental patient, faces the electric chair. That's what it says. A 30-year-old needs to be a mental patient. You guys, he's not a former.

He's still a patient. So in court, this guy said, none of the 34 prints I recovered could be linked to Perry. This included partial prints found in a wine bottle and a drinking glass. They said that there's no prints on several weapons already introduced in the case as well. So his defense attorney said, you cannot tell if that shotgun was in the hands of Michael Owen Perry. And the forensics person said, no, sir. So no fingerprints there. All they have is his constant admissions of this.

All they have is the list of dead people in his possession. That's all. So the defense's opening is this. This is Mark Romero as a defense attorney. He said, quote, I will present you to another reasonable hypothesis for what happened. He said that the prosecution is going to have to prove their story. He said, I don't have to prove anything to you. This defense doesn't.

He said, is there any real proof that he's ever used those weapons? There's no fingerprints, so there's no witnesses. He said, there's no witnesses. So how do you know that? I don't understand it. So he also said said by the way during this the defense attorney trying to save his life he's mating making hand signals behind the guy um including just waving at jurors doing things and quote putting his thumb against his

nose and spreading his fingers you know know, doing one of those. He was doing that during the time Romero was asking, is there any real proof that he even committed the crimes? The old spanky. Yep, that's what he's doing. Go fuck yourself as a child thing. When the jury took a break, Perry put his arm around a bailiff's shoulder to be escorted out of the room.

Like, come on, pal, let's go out this way. He's fucking nuts um you can't put him in a mental hospital you guys forever during the trial perry often made comments that made clear the extent of his obsession with olivia newton john it says here as well um he's i mean a lot of people liked olivia newton john but they didn't think she was an underwater goddess who lived near his house that was the other difference so um olivia newton john would later say i'm talking like years later in the hopelessly devoted to you documentary about her she became so frightened by perry that she moved from her house in Malibu to her parents' home in Australia. After one of the many, she said, many, way more than he ever said he sent, one of the many letters that she received included a photo of her in which her eyes had been scratched out.

Yep, I'm going. So she got on a fucking plane and went to another continent to get away from this man. Koala bears, here I come. Yeah, I know it'd be better for my career to be in Los Angeles when I'm doing all this movie and music stuff,

but holy shit, I gotta go. Look at this picture. I'm out. I'll be back to do Two of a Kind with John Travolta, which is terrible. So after two years of delays and all this shit that's finally going here, the verdict is finally coming down.

Wow. This is the attorney, by the way, later on. Well, we'll say this. We'll say. So he's found guilty. All right. Guilty, obviously. Five times over.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. During sentencing, they had the psychiatrist come on here, a certified psychiatrist, Dr. Teresa Jimenez, who was employed as a clinical director at the forensic facility where he was. She said there's two types of mental illness. Schizophrenia is a major one, and those illnesses that he has that constitute personality disorders she said that he is an anti-social type personality disorder and um so he's fine feel free to put him to death no worries so the jury and judge says well you sir may fuck off death penalty. Thank you. They're going to fry his crazy ass. Yeah. So one of the lawyers says if you put yourself in the position of a juror who's not allowed to find out, who's not allowed to find this man insane, what do you do with him?

That's true. Yeah. You'd have to find him not guilty and let him walk. That's the option. Either he's going to the electric chair or you let him go. You got to give them the option of put him in a hospital. Right. They said if you start with the belief that everybody gets out of jail eventually, whether the judge tells you differently or not, you think if we don't give him death, he's going to get out. Obviously, you don't want him on the street. So, yeah, he is found given the death penalty, which is interesting.

given the death penalty, which is interesting, the judge rules that as long as Perry took the Haldol, even if by force, they have to force it down his throat, that's the same as him being sane and we can execute him. Is that right? Yeah, if we can keep him sane up until his execution, then fucking whatever. You guys got to calm down. Obviously, there's going to be some appeals on that basis of we can force feed him Haldol to fucking.

Yeah, just to stick him in an electric chair. So the appeals are expert witnesses in the Sanity Commission hearing they have, which competency was found were examined thoroughly by the prosecution and the defense and the appeals. They find that three examining physicians were unanimous in their conclusion that he was able to proceed with the trial. So they're saying, you know, he seemed pretty goddamn sane to us. So in light of the evaluation of the expert testimony, they said that the first appeals court said that they cannot find the trial court's determination of his competency to be erroneous. They said they found him sane. That's what it was.

Because they can't just say, well, we think he's insane. They have to find error in the way the court found him sane. That's the only way that they can do that. So their hands are kind of tied. So the Louisiana Supreme Court denies his appeal as well. appeal as well and uh the state uh the court state court ruled that it will not execute one who has become insane subsequent to his conviction oh so even if he's insane now hold on okay yeah so they that meant that sanity hearings had to proceed at any attempt to do the execution they had to have like tons of sanity hearings leading up to it to make sure he's sane every day.

So 1988, there's a sanity hearing conducted by judge LJ Heimel. And again, three, uh, psychiatrists and a psychologist said that he suffers from schizoaffective disorder. They said,

uh, they said that Perry was quote psychotic, went off medication and he's that way medicated. So, yeah, they said that Perry was, quote, psychotic when off medication, and he's that way medicated. So, yeah. They said that. Always. Exactly right. They said that he's a moving target, quote, unquote, because his competency changes frequently.

He's fucking bonkers. Can we just say bonkers? Even crazy, crazy people are sane for five minutes a day. A broken clock is right twice a fucking day. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sometimes you got to drink water and eat food. I'm sure in those moments there's some there's some clarity.

Yeah, it's it's wild. Even the people you hate the most. Every once in a blue will say something. You go, all right, well, that's not stupid. But everything else that person says is stupid. It's one of those things. Let me go. All right.

Well, that's not stupid. But everything else that person says is stupid. It's one of those things. So they said that he's legally competent, therefore ready for execution. That's one doctor out of the group said that out of four people. So called to the stand. They called him to the stand while he was unmedicated. Unmedicated. Unmedicated.

This is from the newspaper. Called to the stand. An unmedicated Perry babbled incoherently for 35 minutes. 35? 35. In the midst of it, he blurred a truth that goes to the core of his mental illness and addresses why he killed his entire family. Quote, I did it. I'm 90%. I didn't do it.

The voices have 100% of my body. If you can figure that out, you can kill me. That's what he said. I will restate that just so you know. Quote, I did it. I'm 90%. I didn't do it. The voices have 100% of my body.

If you can figure that out, you can kill me. That's like a fucking Goodwill hunting chalkboard problem. I don't know what that is all about. I'm 90%. They're 100%. You mix those together, you can kill me. You can kill me. So Perry's lawyers said they advised their client to refuse the Haldol, telling him it's a form of suicide if you take this.

They're going to kill you. They stopped doing it. So Perry stopped taking the medication. That pissed the prosecutors off. And how could the state get these – how could they get him declared sane? So they said – the defense said they came up with a medicute-to-execute scheme. Pump Perry full of Haldol until he becomes minimally competent, then kill him. So, yeah.

And the state attorney in court said that the purpose of medicating him was to make him sane enough to execute. Oh, my God. He said that out loud. Out loud in court records. So, September 88, the judge rules that even though Perry's insane, he is insane. Even though he's insane, Louisiana's interest in the execution of the jury's verdict overrides Perry's right to refuse medication. They ordered that Perry be forcibly medicated so he'd know what was happening when he was killed. Oh, my God.

We don't want him to just float through it. We want him to feel all of it. Yeah, that's what it is. It's not medicating him so that he's competent. It's medicating him. That's like the definition of cruel and unusual. All right, he's good now. Strap him in.

No, no, he's good. Hey, buddy, where are you? No, he's got it right. Let's go, Chuck. Come on. He'll feel it. Let's go. Come on, before he starts talking about Xanadu and shit again.

Come on. Once he brings up Xanadu, buddy, I don't even know anymore. We got to unplug the whole rig at that point because holy shit, we'll definitely get. That is a crazy thing to say out loud. This is wild. I can't believe they're just saying that and being like, so? So? It gets dumber and then we finally hear from him in in totality

and in in its all here that's crazy so the louisiana supreme court turned deaf ear to this they said yeah kill him so the u.s supreme court agrees to hear the case including sandra i don't know if she recused herself or what here, but that's incredible. That is wild. So he's like, finally, she knows my name. So they agree. Oral arguments were presented in October 1990, so seven years after the murder. They said medically treating someone solely to kill him, this is his lawyers arguing,

violated the Eighth Amendment ban against cruel and unusual punishment. Louisiana scheme countered. This is Antonin Scalia saying this. So we know it's going to be fucking mean that it quote seems perfectly reasonable to me. We'll wonder why I celebrated it when that guy croaked the state literally said we're drugging him so he knows what's happening yeah so he can feel it um now he did kill a two-year-old and i get why you're upset and everything but nobody can say this guy knows what the fuck is going on no but i'm sorry this guy's he's nuts man he is nut nuts. He's got a brawny headband, you guys. No.

This is insane. He's crazy. This is the way of the mafia. Judge Thurgood Marshall, who had written the decision barring execution of the insane, he's the guy who wrote that to begin with, was furious with Louisiana's attempt to evade the mandate. He said, you're just trying to go around it. He said, well, in the interest of Louisiana, while you're giving him the Haldol, why don't you just give him enough to kill him? That's what they said to the state.

Like, I mean, you're just doing it anyway. Fuck it. Legally, it's very weird. So they ultimately avoided the issue by sending the case back to be reheard on technical grounds. This is the fucked up part. So they said that there's basically like a you can't kill him right now they left the uh unwilling to upset the jury verdict they left the conviction and death sentence in place but also moved it's very strange we'll talk more about it once you guys

think it over we'll leave it in place but do some do some more digging look it up just just that's i mean this whole thing is weird whether you want to kill him or not, the whole thing is just weird. It's just a weird thing. 1990, the LA Times called the Perry case the most closely watched death penalty case of the current term. This was the big one.

It was thought that the case would give the presumably conservative Supreme Court a chance to telegraph its support of the death penalty, but they didn't. There ended up being four to four. It wasn't even a whole vote. So they said the only thing weighing that they said about the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, both came out in support of Perry's position that

he shouldn't be forced to take Haldol if he didn't want it. Right. Okay. 1992 here. October 19th, 1992, the Louisiana Supreme Court issued a, quote, scathing 47-page ruling that forbade Louisiana from forcibly medicating Perry for the purpose of killing him and put in place what amounts to a permanent stay of execution.

The state could ask the court to stay, quote, only if Perry achieves or regains his sanity independently of and without the influence of antipsychotic drugs. So if he sains up, you can kill him. One justice said this, quote, There is no overwhelming need to execute this crazy man, which I think sums it up very well. So 1993, this is the San Francisco Examiner, and this is the real wild part here. This is his interview and shit. As of then, this is April 11th, 1993.

This is the guy describes it. Perry still lives on death row under the sentence of death. He must die slowly, trapped in the meaningless tortures of a six-by-eight-foot cell and his own insanity. He'll grow old watching generations of cellmates being led away one by one to meet the death man. Wow. Because they keep him on death row still because that's where the solitary is, and they can't put him in general population. They can't give this guy a fucking roommate. you kidding me jesus christ cellmate in there with him stand him in a line with other people holy shit you gotta yeah so they've kept him in solitary

which always makes people much saner when you keep them by themselves for decades they get really normal then they get real deep thoughts and clarity. Yeah. Now, here is the article. This is Douglas. I'll give this is right out of the paper. Douglas Dennis is a prisoner serving a life sentence for murder at Louisiana State Prison at Angola, where our guy is here. He's a staff writer on the prison's award-winning magazine, The Angolite, which is also publishing a version of this interview. So San Francisco Examiner picked up this interview kind of like an AP thing from the prison paper

from the prisoner who interviewed him. So I'll read from the article. After the dust settled, this writer received permission from prison administrators and Perry's lawyers to conduct an exclusive interview with Perry and see him as the state wanted him to be, medicated to legal competence. The lawyers and I were led down a narrow hallway and through a barred gate into an office just outside death row. I think this is while he is medicated, by the way. So that keep that in mind.

This is this is, quote, saying Michael Perry. This is how they want him to be in a a chair yeah the room was tiny and grim cement floor tile walls harsh fluorescent lights and heavy plexiglass windows with uh with a chill lifeless air uh perry entered wearing leg irons a rumpled white jumpsuit and a a big smile. He sat in a hard plastic chair, greedily lighting a cigarette snatched from among several placed within reach. What's your name, I asked. And it starts.

Oh, boy. Quote, well, I've had several names. Fuck yeah. Oh, yeah. The first name I heard me called was Mike. The first name I heard me called was Mike. The first name I heard me called. Think about how he put that. The wording for that is so weird.

Standing outside his body, somebody speaking to him. I heard me called. Yeah. And I heard it as that guy was calling me when I was standing over here. Wow. The first name I heard me called was Mike. Then it was God. Then it was Zewik Ma was Mike. Then it was God. Then it was Zwick Ma.

Yeah. Then it was I. And then it was just back to Michael Owen Perry. Okay. The guy's like, all righty then. So then the guy, he dives right in and says, tell me about Olivia Newton-John. Which is really what we all want to know about at this point. So here's what he says quote this is

all a giant monologue quote okay well that movie xanadu uh i was going through i'm gonna give his uhs by the way uh i was going through uh uh a bad time because i was laying down in my bed and the son of a gun would start moving on me. Right. The bed, the gun, the bed, the bed's a son of a gun cause it's moving. Okay. Okay. That's it. That's why he was going through a bad time because his bed moved every time he laid in it. Obviously that's terrible. And I was, uh, maybe there's something under the house. That's what he thought moving his bed around, some sort of magnetic force or something. So I wrote Olivia that.

Hold on, I can't say it. This is what he wrote Olivia. Hey, Olivia, listen. No, this is Jimmy. Quote, are you under my house, girl? You under my house, girl? Oh, my God. Okay.

So in that movie Xanadu, sure enough, when Olivia turned around, she was, man, all ugly and wrinkled. I said, God dog. Look at that. God god dog look at that god dog look at that uh so i went and i talked to my aunt my aunt zula the one who ratted on me you know about killing those five people yeah he that's what he drops in there yeah fucking bitch quote so i told my aunt zula i says somebody ought to kill that man. Not kill that man, kill that, comma, man. That's the same way my mother looked at me whenever I got burned that morning. So he's saying his mother burned him on purpose.

Sure enough, when the crime was committed, the voices, they told me to do it. And I says, no, man, I don't want to do it. You know? You know how that is, right don't want to do it you know you know how that is right yeah yeah that part's my you know how that is right he says i don't want to do it you know and so then i said if you want to commit murder now's the time to do it i said but i'm not going to help you because my two little cousins was asleep so he he shot the gun, and then I boogied. Oh, my. Excuse me, I boogied man. That's what he said.

So I boogied man. That makes a difference. That's pretty good. He is a boogie man. Yeah. All of a sudden, I guess the guy who did it has a word bigger than me, blamed it on me, I guess, because he's the only one that was there. Okay.

Let's back that party up for a second. A medicated man said this, and it's somehow nuttier. The voices told me to do it, and I said, no, man, I don't want to do it. So then they said, if you want to commit murder, now's the time to do it and I said no man I don't want to do it so then they said if I if you want to commit murder now's the time to do it so they said I don't want to do it and they said well if you want to kill someone now's the time to do it and I said I'm

not going to help you because my two little cousins was asleep so then the voices it went from being a voice to a physical object that can shoot a gun now now it's a physical being so he shot the gun. Is that the same he who was called Mike when he was a kid? I don't know.

Is he outside of his body? Does he think he's eight people? Who the fuck knows? I think paranoid schizophrenic seems to be a pretty good diagnosis here. So I think they've nailed it. Yeah. Just the way he's talking doesn't make fucking sense. So he says, yeah, so he shot the gun.

doesn't make fucking sense. So he says, yeah, so he shot the gun. So I guess the guy who did it had a word bigger than me, blamed it on me, I guess, because he's the only one that was there. So wacky. Now, the author here, this other prisoner, the guy journalist, he wrote, Perry couldn't be still. Some part of him was always in motion hands moving foot wriggling head nodding body shifting once to emphasize a point he grabbed my wrists and my wrists and shook me the words spewed so fast it was like standing in front of a high pressure hose okay he's not done by the way with his explanation. This started out with, tell me about Olivia Newton-John, by the way. This started out with, have you seen Grease? And it went to this.

So he says, I guess he's the only one that was there. Blamed it on me, I guess, because he's the only one that was there. Then he goes on to say, so maybe those five people are still living. I don't know. I haven't seen them since then. I saw one of them. Okay. Maybe they're still living.

I don't know. I haven't seen them since then. Then he says, I saw one of them. In fact, he just said he hadn't seen them. I saw Brian Joseph LeBlanc over here on a visit, him and his mother. No, you didn't. He's buried. He is very dead.

Well, he said it was his mother but i don't know how many mothers he has he he questioned the woman not the man holy oh my god um but i don't know how many mothers he has he's a sarcastic guy and uh he dirties the womb up you know yeah what the fuck are you talking about? This is nuts. So then he takes a pause and says, so did I say that about Olivia that they ought to kill her? But I wasn't going to kill her. That wasn't on my mind, you know?

He said, see, there's my little sister talking to me right now. He said he cocked his head and looked up, by the way, before he says this. Then he says, see, there's my little sister talking to me right now. And I talked to my foot because he always says he can hear me that far. I talked to my foot because he says he can always hear me that far. So it's safe. That is the greatest sentence ever. He says, so it's safe for me to meet God.

And then a guard passes by and he points to him and says, that might be God right there. No, your foot. Yeah. Let me read that again quickly because of how he said it. This is how he said it very quickly. And you're the guy sitting over there. Okay. Well, the question is, tell me about Olivia Newton, John.

Right. Okay. Well, that movie Xanadu, I was going through a bad time because I was laying down on my bed and the son of a gun would start moving on me. And I was maybe, you know, maybe there's something under the house. So I wrote Olivia that. Are you under my house, girl? Okay. the house so I wrote Olivia that are you under my house girl okay so in that movie Xanadu sure enough when Olivia turned around there she was man all ugly and wrinkled I said god dog look at that

so I went and talked to my aunt my aunt Zola you know the one that ratted on me you know about killing them five people uh so I told my aunt Zola I says somebody ought to kill that man. You know, that's the same way my mother looked at me whenever I got burned that morning. Sure enough, I was sure enough when the crime was committed, uh, the voices, they told me to do it. And I says, no, man, I don't want to do it. You know? And so I said, if you want to commit murder, now's the time to do it. I said, but I'm not going to help you because my two little cousins was asleep. So he shot the gun. And so then I boogied, man. All of a sudden, I guess the guy who did it has a word bigger than me, blamed it on me,

I guess, because he's the only one that was there. So maybe those five people are still living. I don't know. I haven't seen them since then. I saw one of them. I saw Brian Joseph LeBlanc over here on a visit. Yeah, he said him and his mother. Well, he said it was his mother, but I don't know how many mothers he has.

You know how that goes. He's a sarcastic guy and he dirties the womb up, you know. So I did say that about Olivia, that they ought to kill her. But I wasn't going to kill her. That wasn't on my up, you know. So I did say that about Olivia, that they ought to kill her. But I wasn't going to kill her. That wasn't on my mind, you know. See, there's my little sister talking to me right now. And I talk to my foot because he says he can hear me that far. So it's safe for me to meet God.

That might be God right there. Holy shit. meet god that might be god right there holy shit imagine you're sitting across from that man who says all of that quickly rapid fire after being asked tell me about olivia newton john yeah you think this motherfucker's crazy you can't kill that person he's nuts so then the reporter asks another hard question why didn't you like anthony bonnan he was just a little baby yeah you want to hear a really crazy response i don't know oh you do he says quote he hit me once you hit me man i cut you off oh my god but if you give me a cigarette i put you back 10%. That's right. I'm sharp, but I'm not smart.

You're saying that little guy, that two-year-old, the only thing he had to do to save his life was give that man a cigarette? Well, 10 cigarettes. He would have to build himself up back to 100% maybe. Maybe like 60%, 70%. Six, seven cigarettes would have probably done the trick. Give a mouse a cookie. I will repeat that because obviously that is awesome. Everybody pull your cars back on the road. Get back on the fucking treadmill that you fell off of when you stopped.

Let's all get out. He hit me. Once you hit me, man, I'll cut you off. But if you give me a cigarette, I'll put you back 10%. That's right. I'm sharp, but I'm not smart. That's my point for the day. Now, they said on this interview, if I just said something, it would go down cool.

But remember every word I said, I can't be held against me. I want all of you to know that because I never broke the law in my life. You know, I never broke the law. See, so I'm back to square one again. I can't go anywhere anymore. I'm weak. So you got a cigarette? What the fuck is that?

He asked for a cigarette. That's a man that's medicated. That's where they want to get him to that's this is the goal you could put this guy right in the chair and he's going to be fine everything's normal this place baseline this is your this is good sanity here holy shit um so the the article continues this is michael owen per, as sane as modern medicine can make him. He's non-threatening, agreeable, almost chipper. Intelligence is there and alertness, so is insanity, twisting beneath the surface like a great dark predator. Yeah, he said he's pallid and puffy with the look of decay that comes from years of cell confinement.

His death row neighbors hate him because he chatters loudly to himself about God, numbers, the mafia, Olivia Newton-John, and whatever else comes to his mind. Yeah. And an endless stream of loose association that grates like nails on the blackboard. Those paragraphs were all over the place. That's what I mean. That's what he's doing in his cell. He can't get an idea and then put it out all in a row in a linear fashion. That makes sense.

He's all over the zigzags to that. Yep. He says whatever comes to his mind, an endless stream of loose association. They said his he is of average size, average intelligence, average intelligence. And everyone agrees is quite mad. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, the U.S. Supreme Court. Again, they said they couldn't put together a clear majority on the whole thing. So once it goes back to the state, they said they can't make him take it, his medication.

As of 2017, he has been in solitary confinement for over 20 years now. He's been in solitary since the state put him back on death row in 93. Wow. So 25 years at that point. They said his attorney said that, quote, Perry has been deemed incompetent to be executed, but they can't take him off death row because he's in, quote, legal limbo with the whole thing. They said that Perry will reappear in the news every once in a while. They said that in 2017, he was one of three death row prisoners at Angola who sued the state on the grounds they've been held in solitary confinement for more than 20 years and that that treatment is constituted as cruel and unusual punishment under the Constitution, which is true. They will. That fucks you up.

So solitary, they said, this is, I was just looking it up. In the last few years, there's been a growing international trend in opposition to solitary confinement. The U.S. Department of Justice stated that solitary confinement should only be used as punishment for an infraction of a particular rule and not used as an ongoing practice for well-behaved convicts. You can't just say, I've all you guys get put in your own cells um i know a guy who was put in solitary for almost five years to try to break him to turn against his mafia guys and his brother and shit and he

didn't do it and he just stayed there for almost five years fucking no he's fine he's nuts anyway but i mean no more nuts than he ever was. The fucking mob guy he was talking about. It's not like he was in great shape anyway. But he said a mob guy with a real hardened brain, though, has a better chance of coming out on top than some guy who was nuts to begin with here. So, yeah, they said that more than 20 prisoners on Angola's death row have been committed to a long term solitary confinement. They said a final disposition in his case has still yet to be made. So if Perry decides he doesn't want to take Haldol, then what happens?

He can stop at any time. They said he doesn't have to take it, so he can stop at any time. Like they could say, okay, here's the execution date. This is when you're going to be executed. And two days before, he could say, I'm not taking my fucking medication anymore, and they won't execute him because he's going to go nuts. Even on it, he's nuts. On it, he's out of his mind.

You've got to be kidding me. In the end, really, and this is why we think the death penalty is kind of a waste of time in the end because only 12% of the convicts on Angola's death row have actually been executed because 88% of the time there's some sort of error that at least gets them knocked down to life in prison. It's just not – it's so expensive. But you're paying for all these crazy appeals and shit.

So that, everybody, is Lake Arthur, Louisiana. And it has to be one of the craziest things we've ever done, right? That's Olivia Newton-John, the blue hands. Certainly the craziest things we've ever done, right? That's Olivia Newton-John, The Blue Hands. Certainly the craziest guy I've ever heard of. Right? And that's saying something, because we have done 350 episodes of this show and another 310-plus of Crime and Sports.

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