Small Town Murder - #358 - The Not So Missing Spouse - Canton Township, Michigan

Episode Date: February 4, 2023

This week, in Canton Township, Michigan, we encounter maybe the strangest & creepiest relationship origin stories of all time. This relationship produces an unhappy marriage, and much fighting. Then, it gets even weirder, as one of this couple has an affair with the person who their teenage kid was dating. This leads to crazy, underwear clad arguments, and someone going missing for 3 and a half years, causing a huge regional mystery, and the eventual grisly discovery of the body, in a most unlikely place! Pure weird!!Along the way, we find out that this town had a very hard time picking out a name, that 10th grade biology class isn't a nightclub, and that once someone has been murdered, getting rid of them is definitely the best course of action!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So there we go. That was a good pitch. For Crime and Sports this week, which you'll have access to, we do the history of 10-cent beer nights at sporting events. Turns out, bad idea. Bad idea. Get a bunch of young guys in there, 10 beers for a dollar, and then things get caught on fire. It's just what happens.

We'll find out why they got rid of that. And then for small town murder, something very fun, small town scams. This is tons of these back in the day, where these small towns would try to have a scam, where they'd buy some land, they'd send pamphlets back east, look how beautiful it is, – they'd have a scam where they'd buy some land. They'd send pamphlets back east. Look how beautiful it is.

And they'd have these artist renderings of your beautiful gardens and all that. And it's just a cesspool of dust and nothingness when you get there. So it happened all throughout time. We'll talk all about it. Small town scams. Patreon.com slash crime and sports. And you'll get a shout out at the end of the regular show as well. Jimmy will want to pronounce your name well but he will not probably do

that so desires there sign up find out how he says your name it's fun that says that said that says that said is how that said that said think it's time to talk a little bit about this and I think it's time to sit back

everybody clear the lungs right now where are you were you at home I think it's time to talk a little bit about this, and I think it's time to sit back, everybody. Clear the lungs right now. Where are you? Were you at home? That's boring. Step out in your front lawn. Yeah, your apartment. I don't care.

Open the door. Look down the hallway. Maybe there's an old lady carrying her groceries in. You look her dead in the eyes, and you shout, shut up and give me murder. That's right. And then you go. Once she drops her groceries, go pick through them. You might be able to find something that you like in there. One man's trash.

There we go. Let's do this. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. How about it? Ballsy. Canton Township, Michigan, this is here. Canton Township. Canton Township.

It's about 40 miles outside of Detroit. Or 40 minutes outside, not miles, 40 minutes outside of Detroit. So Detroit suburb. And like we said, May 5th, Detroit coming at you. Our biggest show ever. Let's do it. Detroit, you will take the title at that moment of our biggest show ever. So can you do it?

Detroit, can you beat Milwaukee? Come on. Can the Lions beat the Packers? Let's do this, guys. Come on on jesus what are we doing here so canton township michigan population here right now it's high when the case happened it was much lower uh now it's 94 000 people it's kind of a it's swollen back and when this case happened in the 80s it was only in the mid 40s late high 40s of thousands of people so still kind of in our range at that point but it's definitely suburban over here used to be farmland

and stuff and it's kind of west of slow west just west i think from what i saw uh median income here is uh median household income 82 243 so doing all right a good amount over the national average so this is yeah if you can get out here at get out here for safety or whatever the hell, people, a little more room. Median home cost here, $331,000, which is a little over the national average, but not terrible. Crazy, yeah? Not crazy. A little bit of history here, just a little bit on the name of the town is mainly what their history is here. on the name of the town is mainly what their history is here.

In 1829, they passed a bill creating the townships of Lima and Richland out of Buckland Township. And then the governor didn't approve it, citing a conflict for some reason. The names conflicted with post offices in existence. And so you couldn't have any back then you couldn't have any towns bearing the same name as an existing post office anywhere in 1827 it wasn't just held on to that that would have been wonderful if they did that right that way there wouldn't be you know 12 miamis in the united states so the legislature then substituted the name of Nanking and the names of Nanking, the Chinese city, Nanking and Peckin after Nanking and Beijing, which is Peking in China. The name of Peckin was they got rid of that when it was renamed Redford in 1833.

So they went from they went from the original Lima and Richland, and they got rid of those. Then it went to Nankin. Then it went to Paykin. And then finally it was Redford. And then it was Canton in 1834 finally. So in 10 years it was named like eight different things. They took the rule of somewhere else off of there, obviously. Well, Canton.

Canton, Ohio has been there for longer, right? This is named after the provincial capital known historically as Canton of Imperial China. So they're really into China in this town. Yeah, everything. They love it for hundreds of years. So at least in the 1830s anyway. Reviews of this town quickly. Here is one, a good one four stars they like it um i have lived in canton since 2014 and have enjoyed it a lot well that's good

there are a lot of things to do in this city such as open rollerblading at skating station on joy road and sky zone on executive drive Drive. So plenty of places to indoor rollerblade if you're into that, which very few. Or bounce on trampolines. Or there's that, yeah, one of those places, the Sky Zone. Canton is located next to the city of Plymouth, and there's a lot of things to do there also. Oh, I love that.

It's heaving over here. On Friday nights in the summer, there's music in the park and a lot of bars around that area if i could change one thing about canton it would be how busy ford road is and how obnoxious it is that the train tracks surrounding joy road and hagerty always have stopped trains well yeah you're in a industrial outside of an industrial city there's trains everywhere there's the city is known for all of its industrial car work you manufactured so many vehicles there so much that your road is called ford they need a train it's gotta be you gotta get shit out of there somehow so like the train is necessity you'd need it

here's two stars there isn't a lot besides movies bowling putt putt and a few other things but there isn't a lot have you heard of sky zone i was gonna say you're not into open wheel rollerblading or whatever the hell that guy said he was into there what was it open open some shit open blade rollerblade what the open rollerbl. I guess that's just free skate. You were picturing some- Some different kind of rollerblade. Modified fucking rollerblade. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was like a special thing.

The rocket blade. He's just looking for open skate. Here's one star. Canton is the most miserable place to live. Okay. The people here are wannabe nouveau rich, busybodies who look for any excuse to go after someone. I don't know what that means. They get their jollies out of it.

Oh, okay. Wow. It's very specific. Their jollies. Sounds sexual, right? Generally speaking, yeah. Sounds like they got their meat in their hand while that's going on. Ah, there we go.

I got him. I'm going after him. The drivers. Going after someone. their hand while that's going on ah there we go i got him i'm going after him the drivers going after someone i imagine that means they're nitpicky about what their house looks like beats the shit out of me the drivers are super aggressive and there's no etiquette on the road well michigan has giant potholes everywhere so maybe they're just they're just swerving to avoid the potholes possibly we don't know it's be thankful you've got a trail yeah no shit you can plug through there it's a diverse community but devastatingly very racist people with malevolent

yearnings are always looking for new targets they feel superior to because of the bullying culture stemming from the auto industry wow holy shit that poetic. Well, they just went deep with the whole sociological thing. It's they traced it back to the auto industry, period. No fucking no talking. I don't know. I don't know. That might be true. I have no idea. But anyway, things to do here. Yeah. The Canton Liberty Fest. Of course. Normally, when you hear Liberty Fest, you think this is going to be a lot of the Michigan militia people. Yeah. But it's not, actually. This is a fireworks display. It's all sorts of people come in.

They have, like, soul music and shit. It's not what you'd expect it would be, actually. They have animals, food trucks. What is this? Flight will perform. Rock and jazz hits. Oh, so trucks. What is this? Flight. Flight will perform rock and jazz hits. So there's that. That's excellent.

A band called Flight. A band called Flight. You're also going to get The Fruits. I don't know who that is either. You're going to get Air Margaritaville, Jimmy Buffett tribute band. That's about what I'd expect there. I don't even want to hear Jimmy Buffett. No, that's what I mean.

No, not at all. Then you're going to also, finally closing it out though, the Detroit Queen of Blues, Thornetta Davis performs on the amphitheater stage. Special meet and greet featuring Peppa Pig. So there is that. I'm in! They're going to have Peppa

Pig. And George. George will be there as well. I do love that British pig fam. You can't have Peppa there if George will be there as well. I do love that British pig fam. You can't have Peppa there if George isn't there, so obviously. Mommy pig and daddy pig. I love them. I love them so much. Now that we've set this all up here, let's talk about a murder.

What do you say here? here. Quickly, I just have to say that some very good information that only came from one article that was done by an investigative reporter here named Joel Thurtell from the Detroit Free Press back in the 80s. So I have to give credit where credit's due for some of the facts are only there, so you have to have them. Let's go back to 1985, shall we? Let's start there. Let's start in 85 with a couple, a couple of people. We'll start with there. Let's start in 1985 with a couple. A couple of people. We'll start with one. Let's talk about a lady here. Her name is Dorothy Barker.

She will later be Dorothy Tyburski. T-Y-B-U-R S-K-I. Tyburski. She's born in 1947. Or 1948, I apologize. February 6th, 1948. Parents are Anna and Lewis Barker. She's the sixth of seven children.

Jesus. That's a lot of kids. One of the younger end by seven. I would just stop. I don't even think I could. I just be like you, you should know how to dress yourself just from osmosis by now. Figure it out.

I don't know. I'm tired. I'm tired. Six. Listen, six. I'm very tired right now. Yes. I, i i don't remember your name there's too many of you i remember the first two and then it gets blurry so i remember the first two then there's big head because he tore up mom's vagina um and then there's four five and six and seven i don't know what else to do. There's Billy, Sally, Big Head, 4567.

That's how my kids would be named. I don't know. And sometimes I mix up four and five. Very complicated. So she'll be Leonard Tyburski because she met a guy, or she'll be Tyburski because she met a guy named Leonard Tyburski. Okay. Leonard Tyburski. Yeah, she hasn't changed to Leonard Tybursberski she meets a leonard tyberski he is five years older born in 1943

and um so a little bit older but i mean shit back then they weren't cousins and she wasn't 12 that's a legit marriage you know that's pretty impressive that's pretty good and you know he didn't play the piano or was a successful songwriter. I don't know. So he's originally from Pennsylvania. They meet when she is 16 and a sophomore at Detroit's McKenzie High School. Oh. Yeah, she's 16. How did they meet, you ask?

You wonder since he's five years older, down at the Sock Hop maybe. At the Malt Shop. The old soda fountain. Actually, no. I ate even more wholesome place at school. How did they meet at school, you ask? Well, Leonard was Dorothy's biology teacher. No! No!

No! No! I don't care what year it is. This is not good. Jesus Christ, no. I don't care what year it is. This is not good. Jesus Christ, man. The only time we've ever encountered this was in the Ty Cobb crime and sports episode. And that was in the 1870s. And we went still no good.

But we were like, I don't know, maybe it was a farm situation. He was the only guy they thought maybe. This is ridiculous. Unbelievable. She lives outside a major metropolitan city she'll find someone who's not her fucking biology teacher eventually right parents what are we doing horrible this is like 65 this is like yeah yeah 60 no she's 15 so yes yeah what is that she's born in in 48. 64, 65? Yeah, 64, 63. 63 this would be, 63. Don't like this.

This is terrible. So, holy shit. It began when Dorothy arranged a date for Leonard and her sister, who was 18. Oh, God. Her sister was 18, Lorraine. And traded her in for the younger model. And, well, she said, you should go out with my biology teacher, which is weird. Who sets their teacher up on dates with teenagers, first of all? That's weird as fuck.

I've just never heard of that before. They went out on a date one time, but Lorraine didn't like him. She's like, I don't like him. But then Leonard was like, how about you Dorothy? And Dorothy was obviously she liked him because, you know, she's 15. He's an older guy, but not too much older. He's still only 20. So it's, you know, it's not good. But for a 15 year old girl, she thinks it's fine because she thinks she's mature.

But he is definitely thinking of gross things that she's not thinking of. definitely thinking of gross things that she's not thinking of probably so um now she wasn't a a really great student dorothy um but dating a teacher made her cool in school because everyone was like oh you're going out with an older guy which now that would make you not cool unless you were a boy who was banging like the hot blonde teacher or something you know that's just to your peers because that's what i mean. Everyone thinks it's gross. But the other 15 year old boys would be like, dude, for real. We had a hot teacher in seventh grade. We were 12.

If someone had sex with her, we would have hoisted him up over our heads and carried him around the school. You know what I mean? We didn't know that that was child abuse at the time. We would have been. Yay. We didn't know it was because she was sick. She was 23 and taught Italian. It was hot you know what are we like all the all the kids are like whoa she wasn't even that hot she was just a teacher an adult woman who wasn't 70 right and yelling at us so

it was against school rules for a teacher to date a student though they had that rule on the book of michigan yeah so you figure maybe they broke up and got back together when she graduated no she just got another she just dropped out what she dropped out of school this is all the worst decisions possible that's going on right now everything that's happening he didn't even transfer employment she just all right well I've got enough school. I'm dating the teacher. I'll learn from him.

I'm getting paid, so I can't leave. You, on the other hand. So, mom, this is Dorothy's mom. Dorothy's mom, Anna, thought it was not a good match, you know, because she's got a brain in her head and said, this isn't good. She's heard of child abuse. Yeah. in her head and said this isn't good she's heard of child abuse yeah i don't send my kid to school so they can be like uh like inventory for the teachers to pick out that's not what i'm doing wanted to learn biology like that yeah that's the other thing biology isn't the grossest the

grossest teacher to have doing this it's gross no other teacher on this campus that could be more disgusting showing the film of childbirth and then they're sitting there looking over at her like winking during it like huh it's hot right like yes pretty gross and you watch those films we had to watch it in 10th grade and all that not the conception they didn't watch fucking but we watched the no no they want oh the microscopic yeah yeah yeah they show you that and they showed us cloud inside of a giant. It's so gross. We watched a film of a childbirth in biology in 10th grade.

It was like, well, that was disgusting. Yeah, that was pretty gross. That made girls a little less amorous for the next couple of weeks. Made the high school girls a little tightened up. So Anna, mom, Dorothyothy's mom obviously against it she said i was against it and i told leonard so i told him that she was too young he was more experienced in life he had a chance to take other girls out and find out just what he wanted yeah he wanted a sophomore that's what he figured out. These other girls, I don't know. They're just too adulty for me. Dorothy's mother remembered at the time that called Leonard an irritable young man obsessed with cleanliness. Everything's in order in its way. His landscaping's perfect. He's got to take your shoes off when you go in the house because you don't track mud. He's that guy. off when you go in the house because track mud he's that guy um he but he had a cool car and she said he waxed it incessantly and would photograph dorothy posing next to it and all

that kind of thing so um when he drove he held a cloth against the steering wheel wheel and gear shift knob never touching them with his hands because he didn't want to mess them up what that's the guy you want to buy his car from, though, later. You want to buy that car. That's not the guy you want dating your daughter. But you don't want him dating your 15-year-old daughter. So they date for three years until she is 18. And then they get married.

So, yeah. She just turned 19. He's 24. They get married. In 1968, they have a young daughter. They have a baby. Obviously, it would have to be young. They didn't have a 7-year-old.

That would be hard to do. So they have a baby, and it's young, and then it grows up older here named Kelly. Kelly is the first daughter. Second daughter, 1972, is Kim. She comes along. So there you go. They have two daughters, and they move from an apartment that they had in Detroit to a house in Garden City in 1972. This would move closer to to her to Dorothy's sister, I guess.

Now, this was when Dorothy's sister first noticed she had a black eye one time. Oh, and she said, her sister said that Dorothy, quote, she would make light of it, joking, I ran into a door. Which is kind of like late 60s, early 70s, like obviously my husband popped me one. Which, yeah.

So, she said, the sister said she also noticed bruises on Dorothy's arms, but that Dorothy had always bruised easily and pretty much always had bruises on her arms arms, but that Dorothy had always bruised easily and pretty much always had bruises on her arms since she was a kid. So that wasn't anything new. Black eyes. Yeah, her eyes don't just blacken out of nowhere. So Dorothy's housework also seemed a way, the sister said, for Leonard to isolate Dorothy from her family. Her sister said, when I would try calling, this is another sister, Shirley, when I would

try calling, Leonard would say she isn't home or she's busy. And then he would say that he's got to wash clothes. He's got to clean the house and that she's not doing this and that she was paying too much attention to the rabbits and she's not cleaning the rabbits up the way she's supposed to either. She was raising rabbits in the garage as a hobby, apparently, here. He's very nitpicky about all of this. Oh, boy, yeah.

And rabbits are dirty, too, and they smell like shit. Oh, my God, they constantly shit. They are a machine gun of shit. Something for him to bitch about even more and even more. Yeah, it is. It's really a shit hose coming out of there. So he was mad about that. She bred tropical fish.

She painted ceramic figures and made macrame purses. Trying to find some shit to do. She is busy. Yeah, she's busy. She never got her high school diploma or anything like that. So she just, yeah, she dropped out and married this idiot. But her hobbies would, he was mad because all these hobbies kept her away from the schedule of housekeeping that he would prefer that she kept, which is constantly cleaning. That's all.

Just clean constantly. So, yeah, that's how it worked there. She said – this is Kelly, the one daughter here. She said, my mom was always trying to find something she could say. This is what I do. You know, like take pride in it. She always wanted to have a hobby and my dad wouldn't let her do anything. She would read books and he'd get mad at her for that because reading took up time.

Yeah. He just wanted she want he wanted her to concentrate on the house, the cleaning, the kids, whatever he wants. And she can shouldn't do anything on her own. So 1974, they moved into a three-bedroom house, and this is the house they'll have for a long time here and up until 1985 when we were talking about, on Avon Road in Canton Township. And Kelly said she can't remember a time when she wasn't afraid of Leonard.

Very much. Yeah, you'd think a teacher would be a little better, but no. She said, he was always yelling and screaming at me, and when he hit, he hit hard. Jesus. He's hitting his daughters? You shouldn't hit. You're punching your wife. You're hitting everybody.

I guess. Yeah. I don't know. People, obviously, hitting their kids, that's a sensitive issue and all that sort of thing. But everybody's, if you're a guy, you've wanted to, I've never laid a hand on my son, but I've wanted to pop him in the fucking head a good dozen times. You know what I mean? Where I'm like, you little bastard. That thought has never crossed my mind with my daughter, though.

You know? Ever. Never. Really? She's nice, though. She's a cool kid, man. She's so cool. so maybe that's why i adore my daughter but i've never ever thought about it uh i gave her her own bathroom that was

a big fucking mistake i was gonna say that's for your own good though at that point yeah yeah so but she destroys the thing and i want every time i walk in there to put something in there restock the toilet paper whatever i see how disgusting it is and i want to i want to punch her so he would yell at her he'd call her names he'd call her a bitch this is his daughter he'd call her all sorts of shit here um she said i think honest to god i think he mentally abused me. That's what Kelly said. Yeah. Then when she was 10, Kelly, Leonard started confiding in her. Because, you know, a 10-year-old's a great confidant that you want to tell your adult problems to. That helps them a lot. Give her all your secrets. Saying that I think your mother's fucking around on me.

Which is another thing you want to hear when you're 10. Bad things about your mother. That's what every kid wants to hear when they're 10. She said that Dorothy taking a job at a pharmacy and Kelly said, quote, My dad told me that he found a letter that my mom had written to one of the pharmacists there. He said he found a letter to the guy that she said she wanted to sleep with him. I never saw the letter. And it seems if he wanted to prove anything, he would have shown me the letter.

He shouldn't have told you about the letter no less show it to you either one of them was terrible she said my dad would go into the pharmacy and my mom would always be kidding around because she was always joking with everyone and all of a sudden it was like my dad was jealous walk in see her

having outside friends and yeah get pissed off at one point she worked at a pet shop. The owner of the pet shop sent her a dozen roses as a thank you for working extra hard. Okay. I think roses are. Roses are. Yeah, not roses.

Send the carnations. Yes, you send something brightly colored. Hey, thank you. Roses are. Tiger lilies. Skip those fucking. Especially in the 70ss roses have a very romantic connotation so and a dozen of them is mad specific of like yeah i realize that's how

they sell them but a dozen roses to somebody is like i'll give her a seven maybe that's yeah she won't it's what's the one is too intimate a dozen's too intimate what seven's the right number i think three four three four in a bouquet of other things three four of them you know a tree four five uh roses i think that's friendship right so you get half dozen or dozen that means i want to fuck yeah that's a that's a fucking dozen there that's what that is i got you a fucking dozen that's what i got you leonard went into a rage accused his wife of having an affair with the store owner and made her throw the roses out later um you know this happens over and over again over and over again um he also accused dorothy of having an affair with a local rabbit breeder who was a 65 year old man who helped her start out a rabbit operation i'm sure dot's real Yeah, she was like 30 at the time. So she actually was good at the rabbits.

She won a couple of ribbons at the Michigan State Fair with her rabbits. Really? She's actually good at the rabbits, absolutely. Kelly, when she was little, her father would tell her that one point he told her that he had seen a man running naked inside the house. Just running around with his dick flopping around everywhere. Balls akimbo. And that was. What was this story, sir?

Just, I saw a naked man running around the house. That's all. That's the story. So that means some guy ran out naked when he was coming home after banging Dorothy. So clearly she's cheating. Yeah. So this was constant, though. This was for years he's telling Kelly this over and over.

Kelly is like the one he tells about this. At one point, Kelly, when she was a young girl, teenager, young teen, asked her mother, Mom, do you love Dad? And Dorothy said, No, I don't think so. So this is fucking. That's kind of what happens when you're groomed. Yeah, I don't think so. So this is, this is fucking what happens when you, when you're groomed. Yeah.

I don't think so. And forced into a relationship with a man. I met her. I met him when I still like Barbie dolls. So, you know, um, so Dorothy's sister and best friend Lorraine in 84,

that's the one she's closest to 1984. Lorraine dies in a car crash. Oh, no. Yeah. So, not great there. That drives Dorothy into a depression as that would do. Kelly said she never saw Leonard comfort Dorothy at all. She said, my dad was just like, get off it. She's dead. You can't do anything about it. Oh, my God. Not that he was happy she died, but he seemed happy that his wife would be there 24 hours a day now. Like, got that encumbrance out of the way.

Now you won't have to go hang out with her. She was the reason we're together, sir. Yeah. I mean, you went on a date with her once. Well, you want to hear something weird and creepy, by the way? Jesus Christ. He right now, Leonard, as of 1984-1985

is the Dean of Students and Chief Disciplinary Officer where? McKenzie High School. The same one where he met his 15-year-old soon-to-be child bride. He moved up through the ranks. Marrying a student didn't keep him from getting promotions.

It didn't improve his career at all. They were like, well, we can promote this one or the guy who was found in that 10th grade biology class. Let's do him, I think. He's the one to do. Wow. Holy shit. Wow. It helped to do. Wow. Holy shit. Wow. It helped his career.

Probably. He really gets along with the kids. He sure does. Wow. Christmas morning, 1984. The daughters, Kim and Kelly, are awakened by Jesus Christ. They fell asleep next to the Christmas tree. And they're awakened by mom throwing an ashtray at dad.

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. They said they watched as their parents then wrestled with each other until their father slammed Dorothy against a table and broke her toe. You know, they really get along so nicely. This is not a good Christmas. This is not – you're not going to take pictures of that for next year to take a look at. They fought almost every day, arguing, scratching, pushing, shoving, semi-physical all the time.

It's fucking wild. semi-physical all the time it's fucking wild it's almost like meeting somebody when they're 15 uh and staying with them strange is bad it's like it's like you shouldn't pick yeah it's weird it's like 15 year olds shouldn't enter into lifelong relationships strange right that's i think there's a law actually to try to prevent that i believe might be why i think he tried to go he circumvented that and uh molested a student until she married him that's let's be honest here 1985 enter craig albright uh he's 18 years old he works with kelly at hardy's so there you go that's what we have here uh he's a real cocky, brash little fucker, apparently. Yeah.

Kelly didn't like him at first because she said he was too cocky. Kind of a douche. A little douchey. But after a little while, they started getting together and being best friends, boyfriend, girlfriend, all that kind of shit. So, yeah. She thought he was nice after a while, made her feel secure. She said, my mom and dad were fighting and Craig was my sanity. But she also found him immature and to be a liar also.

Like a 17, 18-year-old boy is. You know how that is. That's what she said. She said it's totally in just confluence with his age. He was also kind of white lies and shit like that. Craig, he'd come over to the house and he thought leonard was a monster he uh described him as to him an adolf hitler type loud tyrannical man who demanded that craig take off his shoes at the door he's that guy um tell me about uh leonard well you know the worst person in history? He's just like him.

He reminds me of somebody. Hold on. I'll get it. You know that guy? You know that guy? You know him? Burt Reynolds? No.

No, not him. Similar mustache. With the mustache. Tom Selleck? No. Close. Hitler. That's the guy. Ain't heard of of him hitler reminds me of hitler hitler's very famous for making people take their shoes off when they came in the house by the way that was more than the holocaust really i hear that was really the

that was really the policy that got people hang up yeah yeah that and auschwitz had a shoes off policy when you came in and that's what they were up it wasn't so much the murdering of genus mass genocide it was really the shoe policy that got people upset if you look in history at the pictures of the concentration camps there are piles of shoes that was a thing that was yeah just shoes off with the soldiers too they didn't like it either shoes off everybody off. Everybody's shoes off. No boots. Everybody in socks now. Let's do this. So this is ridiculous.

Always shouting at the kids, even in front of the friends also. Apparently, Kim kind of withdrew, the other sister, too. She was trying to hang out in her room. She plays drums and shit and just kind of. Drums are, if you're a kid that's got bad shit going on around you drums are something you can do not only does it take up your time but people could be yelling screaming fighting ashtrays can be whizzing over people's head but you don't hear fucking shit can't hear you drumming shutting it down good tool it is a absolute perfect analogy for drawing so after a while they started it was

craig kelly and dorothy started hanging out together all the time because they were kind of you know bunched up together scared of leonard so um then they all the three of them started going to movies together and stuff dorothy would go out with them. And she was like 18. You'd think she wouldn't want her mom coming to the movies with her and her boyfriend. Kelly says, Craig and I had a great relationship in the beginning. My mom really envied that at first. Then she started talking to him more. He would come around and we would have these great discussions and my mom would get in on them.

And I finally saw that my mom could laugh again. She finally could find some relief from her family and from my dad um then my mom started getting really attached to craig september 1985 craig has a fight with his grandmother who he's lived with for years since his parents kicked him out a few years ago craig's a great guy. So he's homeless at this point. Kelly offers to let him sleep on the couch in the living room, which I'm surprised Leonard's going to allow, honestly. I mean, it's the most forgiving and kind-hearted Hitler I've ever heard of.

That's what I mean. He's going to let the ne'er-do-well Hardy's employee boyfriend sleep on his couch, fucking sweating it all up. Yeah, all humid in a michigan summer sweating it up now white lion all over my couch nope not happening so um kelly thought this would be nice uh but craig would he said that um he would be asleep in the living room and then he would wake up and feel like someone was watching him and like staring at him uh some you know he would be aware that someone else was there like what's going on and he thought it was kelly coming to like you know ogle him because she's

he's such an adonis in her eyes but it's dorothy oh my dorothy would talk to him she'd come in when she was upset about something and told him. Tell him what she's upset about. Then she kissed him. Yeah. So Craig told Kelly what was going on. Craig's like, yo. What the fuck, Craig?

Yeah. During the day when you're not here somewhere alone, she'll ask me to take her to the store to get some cigarettes. And he's like, she'll hang all over me and shit. It's fucking weird. It's strange. Very strange. Kelly says she remembered waking up twice in the night to find Craig laying on the floor in her room because he said, I can't sleep out there. So, yeah, one time Craig was sleeping in Kelly's room and Dorothy popped in and opened the door and said, damn it, and then slammed the door.

And Kelly was like, what the fuck's going on here? Why? Yeah. And if she's so mad, why aren't they kicking Craig out? So Leonard also noticed Dorothy was into Craig a little bit here. One day, Leonard said to Kelly, your mother and Craig slept together or they fooled around, he said. And then he went to work. Just to drop that on you when you go to Hardee's.

Enjoy. Enjoy making your burgers with that on your fucking soul. Take this stain. I'm tired of it. When he got home that evening, he checked out Kim's room and said, that's proof. The bed's kind of messed up. See, they did it on her bed. That's what happened.

She saw the corner of the bedspread was slightly askew, Kelly said. That was proof. Just enough. Yep. September 22, 1985, Dorothy attempts suicide. She takes a big fistful of pain pills um that she had for a back problem kelly comes home from work and found her mother at the kitchen table writing and she no one said anything to kelly there was obviously tension in the house she said what's going on and dorothy said i have something i

want you to sign i took a bunch of pills and i'm going to die so I want you to sign this. Very calm. She said, very matter of fact. Yeah. How was work? Anyway. So her father from the living room said, she's not going to die like that. Like she's being a drama queen. And then she's like, oh, no, I took a bunch of pills and I'm going to die. And Kelly's like, what the fuck is happening in this house?

Jesus Christ. So she, Dorothy took off and put on her coat and left finally um they went out kelly ran out looking for her and knocked on a neighbor's door and called the cops and the ambulance they ended up finding dorothy passed out in a parking lot down the street she took walked and didn't make it very far a half mile away behind the bank is where they found her so they they pumped her stomach and uh all that kind of thing and she came out of it here um yeah she said when she came out of her shit in the hospital she gave kelly a kiss on the cheek and then she kissed craig on the lips and kelly said

kelly said that got me a little bit uptight. I just thought, okay, my mom is chasing my boyfriend. This is getting a bit out of hand. And Chris said, Albright said, I wasn't too happy either. Or Craig, I'm sorry. Craig said, I wasn't too happy either. Kelly asked him about it later, and Craig told Kelly that her mother told him that she loved him. Oh, boy. I thought it was you.

I was on pills. Leave me alone. Yeah. i thought it was you i was on pills leave me alone yeah um kelly then said okay and then the next thing is craig didn't offer any more information i think i'd ask more probably pardon yeah so is she fucking craig well apparently over this time craig admits that they had two sexual encounters him and and Dorothy. He said, quote, I was only 18 at the time. He said he felt the whole situation was a little bizarre. And he said, looking back, I think Dorothy would have liked anybody that came through there, just somebody to get out of the whole thing.

they get a message from the Barkers, who are Dorothy's parents, get a phone call from Leonard saying, Dorothy's taken off. Can I bring Kim over? I got to go look for Dorothy. How old is Kim at this point? 18? 15.

Okay. Going on 16, somewhere in there. Actually, no. She's younger. She'd be like 14 this time. So, yeah, can I take him over here? Which is she could probably stay home by herself, but either way. Craig, later that afternoon, comes into Hardy's barefoot and shirtless, which as an employee he should know that that's not allowed probably. It's right on the door, to see Kelly.

And his hand was bleeding. And he was talking so quickly that Kelly couldn't even understand him he said he said he'd been washing his car in the driveway at her house when Leonard came out of the house and told him to leave for a half an hour because he wanted to talk alone with his wife Craig said okay he returned to the house an hour later an hour later and Leonard was outside yelling and screaming telling craig to get the fuck out of here and get lost so he said they got into some kind of fight or something kelly says quote your dad won't even let me into the house to get some clothes he won't let me near your house

and your mom's gone that's why i'm half naked yes that's why i have no shoes or shirt on so craig said that he worried that dorothy confronted le confronted Leonard and told her that she'd been banging Craig. So now Craig had to tell Kelly, look, I've been banging your mom. I'm worried that your dad knows. So Kelly said, well, why is your hand bleeding? And he said he cut it smashing his car mirror with his fist after Leonard refused to let him come in and get some clothes. Punched his own car. Yeah.

So then the phone rings at Hardy's and I mean, who the hell calls Hardy's? It's Leonard. And Leonard gets on the phone screaming at Kelly, quote, I don't want you hanging around with Craig. Don't talk to Craig. And then tells her to your mom left. We had a fight. Get home right now.

Then go to grandma's house. Go home and go away. come home and then leave get out of here go change out of your grease stained uniform um so this is weird um so kelly thought i that i couldn't talk to my dad without my mom in the same room so i don't want to go to the house without her because i don't want her to i don't want to hear his shit basically so she went straight to her grandmother's where she and Kim spent the night there. The next day, she went home for fresh clothes. She said, for the first time I can remember, my dad had the entire house locked up when she went home the next day. I couldn't get in. I looked through a back door and I could have sworn I saw something on the floor

wrapped in a blanket. She didn't, though, as we'll find out. Now, sworn I saw something on the floor wrapped in a blanket. She didn't, though, as we'll find out. Now, Craig, what happened on the day she left, Dorothy, was September 28th. Apparently, she got into it with Craig. She wanted to have sex with Craig and Craig didn't want to have sex that day. Craig said that he wanted to go wash his car and she said, I want you to fuck me. So she was apparently walking around the house in her bra and underwear, taunting him, saying, come on, chicken, come on, calling him a chicken. Come on, chicken, get that dick out, which is wild.

That's a wild scene. That is a fascinating question. That's a fascinating thing. There's also everything mixes together there. If you flip the gender roles, that's a way different conversation. Some guy in his whitey tighties going, come on, chicken, get them panties off. That's scary. I want a British man who narrates nature documentaries and narrates this. The human species.

The woman wanders around calling him a chicken. This is a mating dance to these people now. To the upper Michigan. To the suburban Detroit, Michigan people, this is the mating dance. Now, here she is flapping her arms. Yes.

Yes, she's now imitating a chicken to drive home the point that he is, in fact, poultry. Now, that would be hilarious. She berates him. As she berates him. As common barnyard fowl. Still, his penis remains sheathed. Sheathed and soft. So he said, though, he turned her down and left the house to wash his car that's what he was doing outside so um yeah call come on chicken come on chicken so um he leaves now leonard said she's

gone but doesn't report her missing to anybody else outside the kids till October 2nd, which is a few days later. Then three weeks later, he told police, his wife had called him, said, Hey, by the way, I called,

called the cops and said, you know, my wife's missing. She called me and we met up on I 75 where he gave her clothes and money. And she said that she would be settling down in Toledo, Ohio. So leave her the fuck alone. She, yeah, he also, and then he told her family though, said that she would be settling down in toledo ohio so leave her the fuck alone she uh yeah he

also and then he told her family though the barkers that dorothy left to live with another man on a houseboat in toledo which sounds terrible is toledo on the water i'm sure there's a lake or some river that's on fire or something but i don't live on it body of water somewhere i don't want to live on it. I don't want to live on it. Put it that way. So then he said she lived on a houseboat somewhere else. He showed up one night at Dorothy's younger brother's house with a quart of beer. Just drinking a beer. Showed up to Larry's house going, why'd she leave me? And whimpering going, what am I going to do now?

Oh, no. So what the fuck, man? He was upset. he had to do all the housework and the laundry and the shopping he literally said that um so later he also tells dorothy's sister that he met dorothy again at a rest stop so she could find their sign their federal tax income refund check so okay but it's just a nomad on the freeway system now just stopping at rest stops at the flying jays but actually in reality he asked kim to forge the mother's signature on that check so yeah um then it's it's weird she also finds a newspaper article kelly does where her father's quoted as saying that dorothy had taken a large amount of money with her before she left home

but she knows that's not true because her dad her't say that to her. Dad said the opposite. He had to go bring her money later. Kelly also overheard a conversation overhearing him tell her aunts that Dorothy was alive and that she had called, but he had never told Kelly any of these things that he met her met up with her that she called anything one time craig was visiting and kelly went up to her bedroom and started figuring out how to find their mother they were going to go to toledo we're going to find her and all this type of shit so you know that's how they're literally what they're thinking you know right now so tripping to find, so over the next three years,

when Dorothy doesn't show back up again, it's kind of interesting. Um, Leonard, um, yeah, he bought Leonard made a weird thing. Now he,

he like cultivated Kim. He would buy her expensive shit and he would treat Kelly terribly. He was trying to put the sisters against each other here. He bought Kim a $1,500 drum set, a stereo, all this shit. All he did was yell at Kelly. Didn't buy her anything. None of that shit. So, yeah, it was.

And Kim would get annoyed at Kelly's speculations about where the mother went. She would yell, shut up. You talk about this so much and it takes up the rest of your day wondering. You don't really want to wonder for the rest of your life do you just forget about it she fucking took off fuck it Kelly said she had nightmares she had she said nightmares or dreams

or whatever you want to call them that her mother was in a place that she couldn't move tied up or locked up and she couldn't get to her her college roommate Kelly's college roommate said she woke me up sometimes during the night with nightmares and told me she had a dream about her mother and then went back to sleep. It was a really touchy subject, as I would imagine it would be. Yeah.

She said that she started talking about how she envied me because I had a really good relationship with my mom. Another friend of hers named Bill from school said quote she was real bummed out about her mom's disappearance what a fucking 80s way to put it dude she's totally bummed bro like i was like hey you want to party and she's like kind of bummed right now bro and i was like totally get it man fucking she's a little bummed. Maybe next weekend. Bitchin real bum, man. All right, cool.

Rad bummed. So in late 86, uh, uh, Leonard calls the police and said, and says to cancel the missing person investigation. Cause he heard from his wife. So then though,

the, uh, her Dorothy sister found out about that and said, no, no, reopen the fucking case. That's bullshit. I haven't heard anything. They ended up, they do reopen the case. They go reinvestigate. They talk to the pet store owner with the roses and all that. You know, unrequited love, some shit like that. Leonard also would censor his daughter's mail at this point intercepting

their aunt's birthday cards invitations to family gatherings that sort of shit and um so the kids assume that that dorothy's family didn't want to have anything to do with them leonard promised kelly a big party when she graduated from high school in 87 she ordered the invitations but he told her to cancel it because he said no one will come. The family doesn't like you. Okay. So March 87, relatives keep telling the cops they suspect foul play, talk to Leonard, talk to Leonard. So they sit Leonard down for a polygraph test.

Oh, boy. And he passes it. Really? Yeah. So the cops said there really wasn't any more that we could do to follow up on. I mean, that's the dead end of the investigation. There's no evidence. And we polygraphed him and he passed it.

So what do you want from us? He said she left. Once she left the house, anything could have happened to her. Later on, through all of this. Now, Kelly felt bad for her dad and a lot of people felt bad for him now. They're like, oh, well, we fucking suspected you. That sucks. So, yeah, September 88, 1988, a neighbor calls police saying that she saw Dorothy at a restaurant, obviously still alive, not like stuffed in the corner or something as a mascot, like eating. But that doesn't pan out. Nobody ever sees her again. Through all of this, there's a freezer in the basement, a Sears cold spot freezer, one of those lift up.

They last forever. Yeah, I have one in my basement. It's great. Sarah puts meat in there. It's wonderful. So I love it. And it's good for frozen pizzas too. They don't fit in a regular freezer very well for a big red bear in there. So Kelly said she was looking at the light around Halloween of this year. And she said she was – Kim said she was downstairs playing the drums and it was so dark in the corner. So you could just see this little rectangle of orange light coming from it. It's like that shows it's on and working. So you just see this sort of thing orange light coming from it it's like that shows it's on and working yeah so you see just see this sort of thing it's really bright and she said i would find myself staring at it while i was drumming it was something to focus on so she said then she

thought about it why haven't i been in the freezer lately that's weird so then she tried it and it's a locked freezer so she said she went up and got a paper clip and went downstairs and tried to pick at the lock but it wouldn't open so she said, I don't need to see roast beef from fucking two years ago. Who cares, you know? So she threw it away. A few weeks later, Kelly said she and her friend were home from school and the kitchen freezer didn't have a lot of food in it. So she said, I bet there's shit in the freezer downstairs. Maybe I can get in there.

But they couldn't find the key. And Leonard said that Dorothy took it with with her it was on her key ring so when she took off yeah he said we haven't been in there in forever because we don't have a key for it so um yeah it's a little strange um new year's eve uh uh craig started craig and kelly are still talking about the mother's disappearance and craig says maybe you should open the freezer just to satisfy your curiosity. And she's like, yeah, dad probably stuffed her in the freezer, right? And they're laughing. And he says, take a screwdriver and fucking jam it in there.

It'll open eventually. It's a freezer, not a bank vault. That a boy, Craig. January 2nd, 89, Kelly's in the basement here. And she's looking at the little orange light again. Just looking at it here. Her sister's upstairs drumming and she's thinking about it.

She's looking at this little light. She's looking at everything. She said that when her mother lived there, her mother used to polish the freezer once a week with car wax because that's how Leonard wanted it. Wax. He wanted the outside of the freezer in the basement. The basement freezer waxed. Waxed waxed that's crazy that's you know what i bet hitler would tell you to do that probably

never mind the shoes would he be like fax this freezer is the basement it will be waxed wax the freezers that's what it would be. You know it would be. So she, yeah, and they said they've just been, now it's dirty. They sit on it sometimes. It's got dust on it. Kimmel banger drumsticks on there. She's fucking around, that sort of shit. Hasn't been waxed in years.

No wax on there. Hasn't been opened in three years. Yeah. So they said, that's weird. I wonder why daddy's so cheap how why wouldn't he have broken in and got the food out you know what i mean that's so strange um really strange and she said it was just really weird so she saw there was rust on the lid she saw rust on it that was once perfect here so she said huh she she went upstairs she grabbed a screwdriver and a

paint lid remover from a shelf and she jammed it in jammed it in the lock and moved it around and popped it open a few inches and uh there's dorothy oh my dorothy is formed over the meat like on the meat on the meat with there's ground ham frozen hamburger patties and kielbasa that she's on top of. Unbelievable. Yep. She's 5'4", 135, so she's a small woman stuffed in there. Bloody.

She's got jeans and a gray Hall & Oates t-shirt on at the time. But in 1985, she disappeared. You can tell the time. It should have been a Huey Lewis shirt. It would have really put it on a time period so um yeah she's in there kim ran upstairs and said oh my god or kelly ran up to kim and said oh my god and kim said what the fuck and she said mom's in the freezer and kim said for real what and she said mom is in the fucking freezer i found her so they screamed and they were like holy shit what do we do and just at that moment here comes

leonard home they're like what do we do holy shit slam the door so they were anything yeah so they were like okay just uh kelly said kim said just think kelly if dad knows we found out what happened to mom he might do it to us calm down chill out you saw mom picture you in there yes she said we could be bunking with mom for all we know let's fucking chill out smart so they ended up escaping getting out of there acting totally calm oh yeah okay they're talking about just daily shit oh yeah i'm going back to school yeah no problem this is great um they end up running away uh calling the cops, and by 4.30, Leonard's arrested. He started this cover-up immediately, too, though. He's lucky the power didn't go out for two days or something.

No kidding. You know what I mean? It's no tornado or some shit. Over three years in Detroit, nothing? Nothing. The autopsy, by the way, says that she died of blunt force trauma to the head. They were inflicted by hitting her head with a blunt object, or vice versa, obviously, a minimum of 11 blows to the head. They ruled out suffocation,

therefore she was dead before she was frozen, which is a big thing because he's going to claim it the other way around. His story is wild. So he said it's quite clear from the injuries that she suffered that there was an intent to kill her do great bodily harm he's got a couple confessions here his first one he said that wow they got an argument and he hit her head against a basement pole and the freezer had been open because she was looking for meat before that so he hit her head on a pole and then she stumbled into the freezer fell in and the lid closed and locked

and he just and he was like he he did like the suitcase lady and was like well i guess she'll get out on her own and left and then he said that he came back later and the freezer was closed and she was dead and he said he was deeply ashamed about that leaving her there so it made up the fact that she's a i-75 roamer second story was heat of passion self-defense said that yeah he said that his wife told him that she wanted to leave for a couple of weeks that she no longer loved him he replied that he still loved her and that you know he doesn't want her to leave he then then asked Dorothy whether she was having an affair with Kelly's boyfriend here. She wouldn't answer. Then she grabbed a knife and a fork and went downstairs to get something out of the freezer.

Apparently she's just going to eat it right out of the freezer. That's how you separate hamburgers, though. You've got to use a knife and a fork to get them apart. Yeah, that's how. Yeah, you've got to pry them. She then said that he said that Craig's going to have to get out of this house. You know, banging my wife is a bridge too far. My daughter's one thing.

She said, Craig's not going to leave. You are. You're leaving. Yeah. He said she wanted me to leave and stay at her mother's house for a couple weeks. Go stay at my mom's house. She said she didn't love me anymore and needed time to think. And yeah, so she said, yes, I am having an affair with Craig.

I love Craig. He's a man. You're not a man. You're a wimp and a punk and a bastard. You're leaving. Get out of here. Then he said she picked up the freezer food containers and started throwing them at me. And she also threw the knife and fork at me.

Oh, I ducked. He then says, quote, She came at me with her hands. I grabbed her and tried to prevent her from scratching me. I pushed her away from me. Somehow she retrieved the knife. I was in shock because I guess I realized my wife was having sex with this kid. When she came at me with that knife, I never saw a look like that in her eyes. They were red.

I was afraid. She had red eyes? She had red. She turned into a demon is what happened. Just an 18-year-old sex demon now. No. Come on, Leonard. You beat her to death because you're mad.

Because you're mad because she fucked a teenager. Be honest. I grabbed the back of her head and started smashing the back of her head against the beam many, many times. I wanted to get her away from me. I was completely out of control. I grabbed her and threw her with every bit

of energy I had into the freezer. She was still calling me names and yelling Craig, Craig. While she's in the freezer? While she's in there, yeah. Get me out, I guess. So he then went upstairs to wash his hands and change out of his bloody shirt and shit. He said, my heart was beating so fast I'd never experienced a sensation or feeling like that before.

Felt like it was going to come out of my chest. And he said he didn't want to tell the cops because he was afraid to what would happen to his daughters. You know, he didn't want them to go through it. He said, I closed the lid on the freezer. I just couldn't stand to look at her. I felt so terrible and ashamed that I had done that. And he said about his daughters, I thought at that age it would be too horrible for them to see their mother that way.

Well, don't show her to them in the freezer. In the coffin at the funeral would have been fine. Jesus Christ. And to understand what happened. It worked for Kim kim but it made mckelly more unhappy it never occurred to me that they would open the freezer that's the last thing i would want the children to see is their mother that way that's probably true but outside of that i don't know what else is um so yeah that that's his story she came at me man how the fuck did he pass a polygraph? He's good.

I don't know. He's good at it. Whatever he said, he's said it so many times he literally believes it now? People who are true psychopath liars, I don't know if he is or not, but people who are can pass polygraphs. Because in their mind, they can put that out of their mind to where they don't think it even happened to them. It's wild. He may be good enough at it. He was molesting children. Who knows?

Yeah, that's what I mean. His wife, the cop talking to him, said that he said things happened, uncontrollable things. And the cop also said it appeared he felt sorry for her. He kept her in the basement for three and a half years. His reason was that he loved her and he didn't want to part with her. Yeah, I think the reason is it's really hard to get rid of a body the kids at school that mckenzie were like oh that sucks i liked mr tyberski one kid said he was kind helpful and just pretty normal said if you were straight with him he'd help you out almost anything he talked to your teachers for you give you bus tickets to get home

he was very nice and i don't want to believe all of this. Well, you know what? Why is he being nice? He's a child molesting murderer. That's the other thing. A 14-year-old kid said, I heard people in the office asking everyone if they heard that Mr. Tyberski put his wife in the freezer. I didn't know what to think. I always thought he was a normal-looking, normal-acting person. Then someone said he would tell stale jokes and laugh at them. They weren't really funny or anything, but he'd laugh. He was a really nice, pleasant guy. He'd tell dad jokes that the kids didn't understand about bands from 30 years ago.

And then he'd giggle. And then he'd giggle. So in court, his defense is self-defense. So his defense is self-defense. And in the opening, his lawyer says, if you came to this trial expecting to see an evil man, a demon, I think you're going to be disappointed. Prosecutors say, no, he just got mad that she fucked an 18-year-old. And they have – because Chris gets subpoenaed and he testifies – or Craig, I'm sorry. I want to call him Chris. He gets – he testifies that this all happened and it's all true.

So they can't hide that and try to make – just to try to make the victim look like an angel. They have to say, well, I mean people have affairs. But killing and affairs are – let's look at the difference in weight here. A little bit different. Entirely different. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. That's not against the law to bang some dude from Hardee's. So they said that they go through the whole thing.

They say he continuously lied about her whereabouts. Mr. Tyburski is an accomplished liar, which is a great title that you want to have for yourself there. They also argued about the freezer. The prosecution wanted to bring the freezer in. It's admitted into evidence, but they wanted to open it up so the jurors could examine the interior. Holy shit. And see what it looked like in there. But the judge says no.

Yeah. Too overdramatic. Leonard testifies. What in the fuck? So he says, I loved my wife too much to just dump the body i just couldn't dump it he said yeah he just couldn't do it he says i didn't mean any disrespect to my wife's body i knew no more harm could come to her where she was okay i don't i'm speechless you did it we do this show we're not often speechless and that made us both go, I did like a breath talk.

Did he not want like animals to eat the body? Is that what he's saying? I guess so. Yeah. Put her outside. Yeah. That's it. He said that also the state police science person said that she couldn't have fallen into the freezer because of the position of her body and the way that the blood was smeared.

He was moving her around to make her fit. He said that we didn't communicate. This is Leonard. We didn't communicate with each other. And there seemed to be more arguments. She said she was depressed and she couldn't talk to me. I still loved her very much. He said that.

But he noticed the difference after Craig. And he didn't. He said he didn't know they were having an affair. He said if I did I would have never let him in my house and probably not on my street either. So the defense takes a ballsy tactic. And they. This is a stupid tactic to say. Well you'd have killed her too.

Yeah. That's their philosophy which is a terrible thing because people are going, no. What would you do scenario? This ain't good. Most of the people in the jury go, I've been cheated on before and the person's still alive. So, no, that's not okay. The defense lawyer said Dorothy Tyburski said and did a lot of things that would make an ordinary person act rashly. Yeah, that's not great the jury takes less than two

hours to come up with their own verdict though because he confessed to the whole thing he is found guilty of murder here second degree murder not manslaughter and uh sentencing you sir may fuck off 20 to 40 years oh boy yes 20 to 40 Now, that does get appealed and retrialed and reconvicted and resentenced and all that shit happens all over again. He ends up pretty much in the same place right now. I'm not sure if he's still in jail or not, though, actually. 20 to 40. He should be out by now, right? Yeah, that was 89.

He could very well be out right now, I would say. Kelly, afterwards, said she's still a little undecided and she's a little bit upset. That's what her aunt said about her. She said that the verdict left Kelly torn between her dead mother and her jailed father here. So she said they did put him in jail right away so she can't talk to him. A few days down the road, she'll realize that this was the best thing that could happen that's what the aunt says so this guy though was like he just was like i'll keep her there forever was that the plan yeah what's what's the end game about murder is that

they never know what i'll just kill her yeah man there's some things that have to happen the body will never just dissolve and it's not a dandelion it's not eventually you go and it blows away and it's gone it's a fucking body and it's frozen still there's so few you preserved it yeah you hung on to it and made it worse for yourself yeah you did you did the opposite. That's fucking crazy. There's so few that get rid of the body and it goes away. It goes away, yeah. Oh, God, it's a handful in history. It doesn't happen very often.

If he was like a hitman, he could have done the Iceman Richard Kuklinski thing. He could have thawed her out, changed her clothes, and then dumped her off somewhere, and they would have thought she was freshly killed. She just died. Yeah, and they would have been like, oh, she must have been missing. Dump her off in Toledo and be like, oh, I don't know. I guess Toledo was bad for her.

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