Small Town Murder - #360 - Meth, Meat, Money & Murder - Fallsington, Pennsylvania

Episode Date: February 11, 2023

This week, in Fallsington, Pennsylvania, an odd feud develops among two young men, who grew up raised as almost brothers. Disagreements over the family store, and arguments over the quality of meth that one sold the other, begin to cause a real beef. This all leads to an elaborate plot, featuring just about every local dirtbag imaginable, including members of a local biker gang, named "Toot", and "Critter". In the end, it all goes wrong, and all the gory details are laid out, publicly!! A crazy tale, from start to finish!!Along the way, we find out that anyone can be in the rodeo, that a gun & a flashlight aren't enough to make grown man confident enough to look into a bloody house, and that DNA under the nails doesn't exactly mean that you have your killer!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay! Choo choo! That's right, Jimmy. Yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrogallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks for joining us all aboard the murder train pulling away from the station. We have quite the tale for you today of just dirtbaggery and weirdness and death. And it's bad stuff.

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Where are you? At work? You just get called into the boss's office. That's fine. Get out of your chair. Jump up on their desk. Kick the stapler off and shout, Shut up and give me murder.

There you go. And then while you look for a new job, we have a nice podcast for you. Let's go on a trip, shall we, Jimmy? Yeah, up to Galton. Let's do it. We're going all the way to Pennsylvania this week. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah.

Back to PA. This is Falsington, Pennsylvania. Falsington. There, yeah. Back to PA. This is Falsington, Pennsylvania. Fall-sing-ton. There you go. Okay. Falsington, Pennsylvania. It's in eastern Pennsylvania, outside Philly, like 40 minutes outside Philly. So Philly suburb, right by the Jersey border.

It's in there by all those bridges and everything here. It's inside of a town called Falls Township. So that's where it is. It's like a lot of towns in Pennsylvania and back east in some states. They'll have a township, and then they'll have towns within the township. That's how this is here. Waterfalls are so nice that there doesn't even have to be a waterfall. We'll still call it something falls.

We'll call it something. It sounds attractive, doesn't it? It does. It's beautiful. You can hear the water crashing and you're like oh that sounds nice not a creek nearby no uh about 70,000 i'm sorry 17,000 people in falzington that's a big difference between 70 and 17,000 uh median home price here a little bit lower than normal it's about 250 000 and uh the median income though median household income is higher it's about 78 000 so it's kind of you can drive it's drivable to philly it's a nice philly suburb um very quickly with the history here the bucks county courthouse which

is the county it's in bucks county uh was established in 1663 holy yeah it was located in falsington and then it was eventually moved to bristol in 1705 so um you know it became they they thought they were going to be the center of a lot of shit and then they weren't but they did have a lot of stuff going on here in the 1860s the business directory has has everything. Blacksmiths, butchers, carpenters, a carriage builder, Cooper, farmers, insurance agents, machinists, physicians, barrels.

They make barrels. Cooper's a barrel builder. How did you know that? I don't know. I have no idea. You said that and I searched my brain. File empty. I don't know where. No source. Link broken on this Wikipedia source on that one. I'm not sure. No empty. I don't know where. No source. Link broken on this Wikipedia source on that one. I'm not sure. No idea.

I don't know how we got there. I don't know, but everybody named Cooper. That's why somebody made barrels. It's probably somebody named Cooper, huh? They named people Cooper because they used to make barrels. That's why. So like people who are named Cooper eight generations ago, somebody was making a barrel. That's why they're named Cooper.

Okay. Yeah. I just don't understand how we got to the word Cooper for barrel maker. I have no earthly clue how that happened. So they also had a wheel right, which I don't know what that is either. They make wheels. Oh, there you go. They make them right, round, circle, backwards.

Reviews of this town here. Okay. A few of these ranging from the perfect to the not so perfect. Here is five stars. Okay. I've lived here most of my life. Pensbury schools are one of the best rated. I've never experienced any violence in my community and have always felt safe as a kid and adult in the streets.

Everyone is very friendly. Everyone. Five stars. So perfect childhood. Everything worked out great. Okay. Here's three stars. This is a weather-related complaint I hear, which I love when they complain publicly about

the weather. Like, that can be helped at all. Like, we need to fix this. It's weather. What do you want? Here we go. Three stars. No air moves around you want? Here we go. Three stars. No air moves around.

I at where we live. That's the first sentence. I don't even know how they auto-corrected that. I at where we live. Yeah, I don't know either. No air moves around. I at where we live. I guess if you say it like that, no air moves around.

I at where we live. It makes more sense if you say it really pompously. Or terribly. No air moves around, I at where I live. No air moves around, I at where we live. It sort of works. So hot, humid days are killers. Though when it comes to snow, they jump right on plowing and salting.

Well, they can't make it less human. They can't make air movement happen for you. That's not going to happen. Get a fan. You can't, you can't salt and plow the humidity. That's what I mean. They do what they can with the, with what you have. Yeah.

They want air. Make the air move. What can somebody get a big fan? We need a town. A town wind machine would really be ideal. When our power was knocked out, they worked really fast to get it up. That's helpful. Two stars, not as good.

I hate where I live. All righty. That's directed to the point. Maybe that's what they tried to say earlier. Maybe. I would never live here again. The people are rude as well as the kids. Oh. The kids are even rude. The kids are even rude well as the kids. Oh, the kids are even rude.

That's Philly. Sorry. I mean, there's rude children. Sorry about it. You got to like that. You little scamp. Look at you. You just told me to go fuck my mother.

That's pretty funny. Look at you. It'll pay off when your Eagles play somebody in the Super Bowl. They are mean as shit, and it's funny. Little blonde kid tells you to go fuck your mother. You're like, look at that. Little girl just told me that guy here's one star joey bosa to stick it up his ass yeah here's one star yeah there are close to no people around here to exercise

exercise the people like you would a gerbil in a wheel, a hamster? Yeah. Exercise your dog? I don't understand. You think people just come around and force them? Hey, move those legs. And there are almost no places to go around here to exercise. Well, the outdoors is really your oyster. There, you can just run. You just move. You just run to Jersey. Who cares?

Run across the bridge, run back. Run up the steps. Rocky back. Run up the steps. Rocky did it. What the fuck? He exercised. Rocky found plenty of places to exercise. Don't you got a chicken? Chase it.

Chase it. Let's do this. Good God. Find a mountain, haul a log up it like it's Russia. There you go. There you go. Put some shit in a backpack and run. Let's go.

Things to do here in this town. Historic Falzington Day. Oh. Yeah. things to do here in this town historic falzington day oh yeah um a celebration of our past including live music historical demonstrations artists crafters blah blah blah food trucks um they have uh truckers no that's not truckers that would have been a very one of the events is tuckers tales tales puppet theater trucker's tales puppet theater would have been a way different puppet show i don't want to see that how much for a blow job well it's a slow night how about 15 well i don't know you ain't got no teeth let's say 10 all right 10 and then watch the puppets

go climb in an 18 wheeler cab that's a very different puppet that's a different puppet show i don't think that's one for the kids oh man that's fucking i burned my tit on your hot plate. Oh, Jesus, I told you to be careful. Also, the Rising Turtle Dancers. I don't know if those are turtles dancing or people, I don't know, dancing about turtles. Somebody's got a shit. Not positive how that works, but there it is, everybody. There's the shit dances.

They're doing it. They're doing it. So the Bucks Countyish festival is also taking place oh get there it's uh five dollars a person yeah uh we irish festivals are fantastic the food is tremendous it says we encourage yeah the irish are known for their cuisine jimmy god they're not known for their cuisine i know i love it they're known for soda bread for boiling and famine yes they do may i like shepherd's pie and soda bread is good. And the rest of it, it's like, what are you people doing?

We just need something to hold down the booze, you see. Doesn't matter what it tastes like. We're this fucked up. Oh, this bread is good and dry. It'll soak plenty. Yeah. Oh, that's better. That's better, yes.

So that's pretty good. They chew their beer, too. It's thick. It is thick. They have the Fitzpatrick School of Iron Dance. Irish Dance will be doing there. The Shanties, an Irish band from philadelphia will also be be performing there so get down there it's only five bucks enjoy it's a deal that said let's talk about a murder

a non let's do it beer induced murder let's do this uh wow uh let's i'm going to read you the first sentence of the court document when it starts talking about the actual crimes here quote this tale begins in the remote passages of the appellant's youth and unfolds to a tragic denouement they said that where the beginning of the facts of the case they're like you need to

be braced for this when the court document says dude this shit's crazy at the beginning every once in a while it'll be like this plays out like a drama from Shakespearean time. It'll be like a commentary from, this is so dry. It's a legal document. It's very dry. So when someone inserts.

Court document. The court document is, these court documents are rated R. Yeah. When someone inserts, dude, at the beginning of it, like that's super weird. Dude, this shit's crazy. Okay. Check it out. And then they tell you legal stuff. And when the motion picture association is involved, that's a problem. It's weird. So let's see here. The actual murder itself is going to take place in 1980, but let's go back a little bit let's talk about some people

for a second first before we get there we'll lead up to there let's talk about george gregory gregory gregory gregory everyone's naming their kid gregory out there lately that's a very popular name george gregory orlowski is his name. He's born in 1955. And, oh, wow, he's an interesting guy. When he's a young child, a young boy, you know, not even of working age yet. We're talking 10, 11, 12. He began apprenticing at a, like, food store, a little market, okay, in Falsington. He apprenticed to a guy named Albert Kellett Sr.

He's the guy who ran the store. What was his job there? Just regular grocer? Well, he was apparently a butcher's boy, whatever that was in the 60s. I don't know. I picture him tying the wax paper thing around the – he ties the little ribbon at the end. And he'd clean the market also he'd sweep and mop and do all that kind of shit and basically this guy was teaching him

how to be a butcher and how to do stuff like that how to do the most coveted job in the store how to do grocery store stuff he was uh and this kellett here he was treated him like a member of the family he treated him like uh you know like he was like another son of his. And this is the Kellett Family Market in Falsington. So he's also, while he's working at the store, George Gregory Orlowski, he also is really close to the shop owner's son as well, as you might imagine. He grows up like a brother to him. They're both in the store all the time. The son is two years older than orlowski but he is albert e kellett jr better known as skip yeah we got some fun nicknames in this one and how old is skip

skip is uh skips two years older he was born in 53 53. But what year are we in at the moment? He's a teen or lousy. A teenager named Skip is not good. Mid-60s, too. Well, Skip was okay, but Skip, yeah. Is it? As a teenager, you can call somebody Skip? In the 60s, yeah.

In the mid-60s, yeah. Until anybody smoked weed, yes. Once somebody did drugs, they were like, man, don't call me Skip. What the fuck are you talking about? Stop that. Skip feels like a mid-50s guy. I'm trying to get – well, yeah, they probably started calling him Skip in 1956. You know what I mean?

When he was three. Yeah, because Skippy is no good. No. That's what I mean. It's a bad name. But when you're three in 1956, they probably call you Skip. Hey, Skippy. That was a – Jesus.

So he worked there. He worked there as well. But apparently Skip didn't get along with his dad real well as a teenager. That's why he's not there, huh? Well, Skip ended up getting a different job somewhere else, whereas Orlowski stayed on the Kellett shop to do his work there. So they're basically brothers, though. That's the thing. has worked there.

So they're basically brothers, though. That's the thing. These two are so close, Skip and Orlowski, that they grow up as brothers. They kind of have, kind of like brothers do, they go through times where they're fighting and then they're not fighting and, you know, teenage boys. And then as they get older, it gets to be, their problems become more adult problems like rather than just

wear you know something something little you know something where you stole my shirt or something like that now it's drug deals that have gone sour that they fight about no so yeah things get a little bit different you know strange so Kellett Sr. sells the store. He's done. He's done. Well, I guess Orlowski, though, just stayed on with the new owners. Later on, it was put as, quote, like a piece of equipment. They were just like, yeah, you get the back stock.

We'll throw in the slicer. We'll do that. That kid comes with it here. You go stand by the slicer. You come with the store. Okay. Run the inventory and George. And George will also do that.

And they said that they just get – George knew how to run the meat department, so why get a new guy if he's willing to do it and just leave him there? So sometime, though, between 75 and 80, George ends up renting the store himself. He ends up taking it over, renting it, and doing that. So he's got his own grocery store. He's a businessman. He's an entrepreneur. The whole store? The whole store.

The whole store. He's 21 years old. He's got a grocery store. Holy shit. But he's been working at it forever. But he also has a side business, too, because sometimes the grocery store can have but he's been working at it forever um but he also has a side business too because sometimes the grocery store can have ups and downs financially yeah you know what never has ups and downs weed selling methamphetamine and weed oh yeah you sell meth and weed that's a pretty

steady business right there economy be damned doesn't matter 21 boy is his portfolio is very varied. Varied? Varied. Varied. He's an industrious young man. You got to give him that. He diversifies. You have to diversify.

You can't put all your money in meats and grocery-related products. That's perishable. You got to diversify to meth. Don't put all your money in pork ribs. No, come on. What are you doing and skip apparently here also does the same thing so he's selling drugs all around and so enter a guy named victor hasin h-a-s-s-i-n-e hasin um he's george's age they're born the same

year only victor is born in egypt and raised New Jersey. That's got to be fascinating. That's an interesting combination. He came young, though. Sure. His family is pretty wealthy, too, Victor. Oh? Yeah, very wealthy and has real estate holdings all around the area. He's a rich kid.

He's definitely a rich kid. I guess he went to law school for three years oh paid for by his family and also his family um he has he manages some of the interests of his family's corporation in the falsington area as well he's doing he's doing money matters yeah he's managing properties and managing things and has you know he's like their investments overall. I don't know if they have businesses as well or that sort of thing. In 1979, that's when Gregory or George, I'm sorry, George Gregory, George meets Victor and they decide to go into business together.

So their business, though, is to open a new store. Oh, yeah. This is not with his own. He's going to open a new store. It's called not with his own huh he's gonna open a new store it's called greg's quality meat market because he goes by greg that's why i was calling him gregory it's easier orlowski goes by greg i'm calling him greg from now on so greg's quality meat market sounds good it sounds delicious this is financed by the hasaseen family, overseen by Victor, and operated by Greg. So that's how this works.

The business does not do well. No? No. So George, Greg, sorry, gets back into selling meth and weed. And not only is he selling meth and weed, he's selling it out of the store. he's selling meth and weed he's selling it out of the store so you could go to the store and be like can i get a pound of roast beef and like you know three grams of meth and they would give that to you and you could get that they'd both be wrapped in wax paper with a little twine tied up too that's it was very folksy that's the thing when you go there they're the folksy meth dealers that was

their ads right in the store on the window. He's got several scales in that. Yeah. Meth with a smile is what the... His scale measures down to grams. Well, yeah, yeah. It's a very, very precise scale. Can I get 3,000 grams of ham, please? Grams.

If he's doing meth, it's got to go lower than that. It goes to the hundredth of a gram. And you can also weigh up to a side of beef on it. So it's pretty good. Very sensitive. Very sensitive. So he's selling it out of the store, which is fucking crazy. That's not good at all.

Greg's slinging this shit, and also several of his employees are as well. He's got them. Oh, gosh. It's not just a secret that they come in, talk to, hey, where's Greg? And they go talk to him. He's got, it's like a, look, we sell meat and meth here. Greg's meat and meth. Go on down to Greg's meat and meth. It's not good.

What a strange combination of businesses, too. It's so weird. It's a great front. I mean, and cover. I mean, who the fuck is going to figure that out as somebody's leaving with a wrapped up bacon? You know what I mean? Yeah. You wrap it all up so it just looks like somebody picked up a fish. But they're like, man, a lot of people that like meat have running sores for some reason.

That's really weird. Fascinating. That guy just bought a bunch of meat because he has no teeth he has no teeth and he just like walked off down the street looking back over his shoulders didn't get in a car he didn't i think he lives in that dumpster over there why is he buying why is he brian top sirloin what's happening a lot of top sirloin in the car to that man with no teeth to chew it that's a lot of young people wow the butcher shop's hopping with these very shitty looking people

not your normal clientele but man are they busy i'll tell you what good for them no teeth evidently that meat treat makes you really Nobody eats that meat. It should fall apart. Nobody eats that meat. Holy shit. So Victor's also advising Greg on how to squeeze more profit out of the drug sales, you know, how to step on it better, how to better organize. He's a businessman, Victor, you know. It's not bad. Greg's a butcher who sells meth. His business skills aren't quite up to par so um it's it's it's this whole thing is fucking crazy so apparently victor everybody says that

victor has a very controlling relationship with greg he controls greg because he's the money man and he's more aggressive of a guy so he controls Greg. People say they've seen him kind of threaten Orlowski, threaten Greg in kind of nonchalant kind of ways. Like we both know that you're going to do what I say to do type of ways here. He needs to be the – everybody said Victor needs to be the boss of others. That's the way he is. He has to be the guy in charge and all that kind of shit. So he's – oh, man, I keep saying that.

But these people, one time they got in an argument, Victor and Greg, and Victor grabbed Greg and yanked his finger out of the socket. Just pulled it out. Oh, wow. Yeah. Huge fart ensued. Giant. Biggest fart ever. No, he actually grabbed him and was like, come here.

Dislocated his finger. Yeah, because he was mad at him because they got in an argument. He also punched one of the other employees for doing something. So you work here. It's a different kind of butcher shop. It's physical. Yeah, lots of threats to people all the time. He has feuds going on everywhere, Victor.

Victor's a fun guy. So remember Skip Jr. here old skip old skip well i'm selling meth alone by 1980 skip is in the picture still he's around and he also has a wife named lois at this point now everybody is about what skips 27 victor and greg are 25 lois is 21 in 1980 um she's going to be pregnant during this time too sure as well so in the in june of 1980 early june skip purchases some meth from greg for 150 dollars okay so it's like a lot of meth it's probably a decent amount of meth back in 1980. I'm not sure. I'm not big on my 1980 meth prices, but I'll look up. I'll get back into the price guide when we're done here, and I'll check it out.

Look up the meth becket of 1980. Yeah, the method of 1980. It tells you, you got to know what quality it is, where was it made, in a junkiey shed? How yellow it is. A Mexican jungle? What are we talking about here? Is this just like an Albuquerque fucking apartment? What are we doing? So I guess Skip gets the drugs back to his apartment, gets the meth.

He's all excited and finds out that there, as it's put, quote, an inferior quality. Oh. Yeah, the inferior quality. Oh. Yeah, the shit meth. Right. He gave me garbage meth and he got really pissed, Skip did. Yeah. Super fucking livid about this. $150 worth of useless meth.

Useless. So he's so enraged, he calls Greg up and he says, hey, Greg. He goes, that shit was the best. So fucking good. Can I i get more i want more it's so good you got to sell me more right now so greg said sure i'll be over a little bit what the hell so greg comes over to skip's apartment um where by the way uh george used to live and now he like greg used to live, but he handed the lease over to Skip. So he goes over to his old place, and when Skip lets him in, Skip, rather than having money in his hand ready to buy more, he's furious. His eyes are wild because he's been doing this inferior meth.

Doing bad meth. Your meth sucks. Oh, my God. Meanwhile, his eyes are popping out of his head. Yeah. And he's holding a big club. Uh-huh. He's got a big club in his hand, ready to fucking...

Yeah. He's threatening. Like a caveman. Threatening Greg about, you know, shitty meth, which is probably terrifying. Seems like it's working, man. Yeah, I would say so. So Skip threatens him with the club.

Then he takes the drugs that Greg had brought, the new batch here, and all of his money as well. He robs him as well. That's not good. That's your friend. Robs Greg here. It was either $64 or $104. Whatever. We're not sure give or take 40

so a few 20s in his pocket and a couple of singles and then he told him to get the fuck out of the apartment so he robs him it's weird to invite someone over to rob them that's strange usually you go to them to rob them yeah stop being lazy you try to do that uh anonymously also is and and conceal your identity when you bring them to your place in which they used to dwell. They know of it probably. They might have a key even. They're very aware of who and what just happened. Yeah.

But at the same time, I guess if you're angry and you're saying that that was shit, you know, shit meth and you owe me fucking more speed, that would be a different thing. So a few days later, though, they had a meeting at the meat market. Old Greg's Meat Market is alive with a titter with activity where it's Victor Hussain, Greg, and various employees of the meat market, including William Eric Decker, who's another guy here. He's a general laborer, sometimes works at the meat market. He's 21 years old. He's called in the court documents an itinerant drug friend and convicted felon who'd been doing labor work for Haseen.

That sums your whole life up right there. An itinerant drug fiend. Oh, drug fiend, not even friend. An itinerant drug fiend and convicted felon. Fantastic. That's once frightening man one sentence that sums up your entire 21 year existence here so has seen tells decker that uh this is while greg is right there that he wanted skip killed you got you can't let people get away with this shit you got to make an example of him. That's what he keeps saying.

We have to make an example. We have to make an example. He said he's got to be wasted. It's 1980s. No, Haseen's telling Decker this. We got to waste Skip. Okay. Okay, because he's the laborer.

I don't think Decker is going to be the mastermind of any plan. An itinerant drug fiend and convicted felon who's been doing labor work for Haseen. Haseen goes, pick that up and put it over there. And he goes, okay. And then they give him meth. That's how it works. He's like, I have meth now. And then he walks away.

And then he can think of a bigger rock. That's what I feel like is going on here. So Haseen says that, listen, if Lois is there, Skip's wife, that she has to be killed as well. She said she was, quote, she was to go also because any witnesses had to go. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of Part 1

and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid wherever you get your podcasts. 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied.

Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. So when you kill Skip, anybody around him also gets it. Greg said that Skip could be killed at Penn Manor Lakes because he was always fishing up there. So that might be a good place to kill him because it's out in the middle of, you know, no one will see. And if he takes his wife fishing, he goes fishing too. There you go.

Maybe that's it. Greg also asked one of his employees, Billy Hayes, who lived next door to Skip, if maybe, tell you what, you live next door, how do your windows line up? Do you think maybe you could shoot him from your bedroom window next door? Just put the gun out the window and like, you know, no one will ever figure that out, I'm sure. That'll be fine. If you could do that, maybe.

What do you think? Trajectories. It's going to be fine. If you could do that, maybe. What do you think? Trajectories. It's going to be real tough to solve. Seems like the only place on earth it could have come from was here. So Victor then says, Haseen says, listen, listen, listen. Everyone here try to get a gun, okay? We all need to be armed for this. So Greg went out and made a phone call to try to find a gun, but somebody was sleeping.

So they're all methed up, by the way. So that's the other part to put into this. In the middle of the night, they're like, yeah, let's get a gun. I'll call my guy. They're like, what? Fuck you. I'm sleeping. Go away.

So then Decker goes with Greg to a guy's house, a guy named David Evans, who's a friend of both of them. Yeah. They're going to look for a gun there. The gun is a hunting rifle, and they said not really suited for what they were looking for. Oh. They're looking for an up-close-and-personal handheld experience. Yeah. They're not looking for, you know, they're not going to track them down over a field at 200 yards.

Yeah, so they want up-close-and-personal. So Decker goes with Haseen to a guy's apartment named Ted Camera, who is, he lives in an apartment that Haseen's family owns. He owns apartment complexes. They ask for a gun again, didn't get a gun again. So they're looking around for guns. Greg ends up being the guy who finds the gun. He purchases a.25 caliber handgun from Tom Easterwood for $75. Pretty decent deal.

He's armed, yeah. Now he's armed and dangerous and pissed off and on meth. So this is great. Armed with a lady gun. Armed with a little arm with the lady trucker special. So July 1980, sometime in July, Haseen gives this gun to Decker and says, quote, here, hit him in the head and leave it there. Shoot him in the head and leave it there. Leave know, shoot him in the head and leave it there. Leave the gun, take the cannoli type of situation.

Told him the Michael Corleone. Yeah, like the Sopranos. That's it. So the gun, they test fired the gun, and they did it, by the way, in the back of the market. That's where they were test firing this gun. Fire it in the alley. What the hell are you talking about?

Fire it into them rotten cabbages we got a whole load of rotten kids just fire into them like sandbags it's gonna be great i don't know why i'm giving them that accent outside philly but these guys are just morons i don't know what fire in the water yeah yeah the water fire in the water um so they they test fire and they figure out it has a defective part. So they're like, shit, there's something wrong with the gun. It's jamming. Well, it was $75.

What do you want? It's a $75 gun. Yeah, it's probably never been oiled or cleaned or anything. We just fished it out of a lake, for Christ's sake. No shit. So late July, there's a confrontation between Skip and Haseen in front of one of H Hasim's apartments, which is across the street from where Skip lives. Small towns. Everybody lives right by each other. So Hasim files criminal charges of harassment against Skip, which is an odd strategy for a meth dealer who's trying to kill a man.

You want to harass him to death what are you doing i've never heard of a meth dealer say filing a harassment claim with the police that their meth purchaser is not living up to their part of the bargain this is the weirdest customers real annoying is that right yeah really exactly who i would annoying. Just harassing me and harassing me? No, I threatened to kill him, and I've been trying to get a gun, but still he keeps harassing me, man. So he's harassing me on the quality of my meth. This is ridiculous. Yeah, it's like write a Yelp review, pal.

Believe me alone. You know what I mean? Christ. So later they add a charge of terroristic threats when Kellett calls the meat market and threatens to burn it down. Skip called the meat market and said, I'll burn that motherfucker to the ground. So August 1st, 1980, Haseen and Decker, they drive out to Edelman's gun shop to obtain a part to repair the gun. They didn't get the part, but they purchased a box of shells for the gun, which he signed for at the register.

Perfect. Perfect. And again, you bought shells for a gun that's broken. Good job. We'll get the part one day. Someday we'll get the part, and we're going to need these bullets, though. So they come back from Edelman's, the gun shop. They pass Skip's apartment, and they see Skip.

Oh. And Haseen tells Decker, shoot him now. See if it'll work. Just give it a shot. Cram a bullet in there and just throw it at him real hard. You pitched in high school. Give it a whirl. The rimfire.

Bite it. Holy shit. So Decker said, it's daylight. I'm not going to just. I'm not high right now and I have lucid thoughts. And it was on the street in between two apartment complexes facing each other. Like there's hundreds of people that live in this area. There's a giant spotlight in the sky.

How about no? Crazy. Yeah, I don't think so. So he said, you know, also there's other people here. There's a giant spotlight in the sky. How about no? This is crazy. Yeah, I don't think so. So he said, you know, also there's other people here. There's a guy over there. There's people over here. A guy walking his dog. They're like, this is crazy.

So Haseen promises Decker that he could have one of Haseen's apartments if he kills Skip. He goes, I'll give you an apartment. That's how bad I want this guy dead. I'll give it to you. You can have it. So August 5th 1980 nobody's dead yet enter the breed yeah this is a motorcycle gang here oh named the breed i don't know if this still exists anymore no no the guys i gotta assume no the guys didn't have better nicknames than the breed even. So the breed, there's a few guys here. Fred Tweet, I guess you'd call it.

It's like sweet, like a hotel sweet with a T. But they call him Toot. Yeah, because who can pronounce Tweet? Tweet, yeah. So there's Toot here. And then there's also one of the founding charter members of the breed, this gang, named Joseph T. Schwab Jr., who's 37 years old. His nickname, Jimmy? Oh, boy.

Critter. So enter Critter and Toot of the breed, okay? That sounds like a cartoon. Yes, it really does. Guys on motorcycles. Critter and Toot. Critter and Toot of the breed, okay? That sounds like a cartoon. This is, yes, it really does. Guys on motorcycles. Did you see that Critter and Toot this week? Hey, if you guys are still alive, Toot and fucking Critter,

you really should pitch this as an idea. Things are so weird right now, it might actually fly. You might get this made. If it's animated animated i think you can pull it off put it on adult swim and make toot be like a blue dog that does a lot of cocaine oh absolutely and then uh make make critter a small black child with a filthy mouth and it'll work i think i think it'll work with a filthy mouth and his blue dog a blue dog that's a show that's a show critter and toot

that's a show i'm sorry that show works in itself there are stone college kids going man it's fucking brilliant i was just like it's more than you know what i mean like it's deeper than that bro i swear it's cerebral cerebral j. It's cerebral. Jesus. Now, Toot had just been bailed out of jail by a guy named Terry Conklin, Kerry Conklin, I'm sorry, who also worked as a laborer for Haseen and hangs out at the meat market, I assume. Sells drugs. He's not there for the chuck roast probably so uh toot had been jailed uh for

offenses relating to the possession of a 357 handgun oh my which he had previously attempted to sell to hasin so if the scene would have bought it he would have maybe saved this guy some jail time so uh toot and and critter were asked by hasin what's your price tootin crits what's the deal the tutor and the crit man i gotta know like what are your what are your stories here it's so hard to take them serious when they have those stupid nicknames and apparently critter's a terrifying looking man he's a giant fucking guy who founds a biker gang. So, I mean, you know, put that into context. Biker gangs are frightening, but their nicknames make them not so. Yeah, that doesn't help any.

If a guy shakes your hand and says, call me Critter, are you not going to laugh in his face? Really? Really? So, that is ridiculous. Critter. You have that shoulder to shoulder on a leather fucking vest. I'll be honest with you, too. This is one of those cases where as I'm reading a bunch of murder cases, I went, there's a man named Critter in this story.

We're doing it. I don't care what happens. This dude's name is Critter. We're talking about him so critter had collected money for hasin that's what he'd been doing he'd been that's how they know each other um this is about a month he'd been working for hasin doing that he offers to sell hasin by the way the price is 1500500 for Toot and Critter to get it done. Okay. $1,500 to shoot. That's what a murder costs?

That's what they'll, yeah. They'll take him out for $1,500. Okay. Okay. All right. Now, he offers to sell him a silver-plated magnum revolver after they said 15 was too steep. Quote, this is how Critter put it quote like the kind like the gun matt dylan carried wait what matt dylan had a gun i i don't know if that's like also an old-time cowboy

because this is before anyone knew who matt dylan the actor was so it's confusing because i just picture matt dylan with a gun going i'll show you sell you this gun right now. And you're like, Matt Dillon? What the? Why do you? You're selling? The guy with gel in his hair is selling me guns. Okay. But the $500 price was too high for that as well. It's a little too expensive.

How badly do you want Skip dead? That's what I mean. You were going to give a man an apartment. Isn't that more than $500 or $1,500? How bad do you want him dead? If you want him dead, Critter and Toot are the guys to do it. You pay the price. I would say so, yeah.

You know, if you have a pipe burst, if you have a good plumber that comes over, you pay what it costs because there's fucking water leaking everywhere. So if you want this guy dead, if you're going to hire Critter and Toot, obviously it's going to cost you. These guys know what they're doing. Fucking cheap bastard. It's a murder. You don't walk into a dealership looking for a car and say that's too much for an Escalade.

No, this is what Escalades cost. It's a lot of money. So a few days later here, a few days later, Critter and Toot meet with Haseen and Greg at Greg's house and discuss. By the way, Greg lives at the Escape. That's the name of the mobile home complex. The Escape Mobile Home Park. They should all be called that. Escape from a marriage. Escape from all sorts of shit.

Society. Escape from the police. And hopefully someday you can escape from this trailer park it's all of one big circular escape so it's a revolving door of escape critter said this uh they said has seen said that you know they've been harassing him over that you know skip's been harassing over this meth deal. And so Critter would later say, quote, they wanted Skip wasted, murdered. They wanted him stuck in a barrel of lime, man, and thrown into the river. We had to find a Cooper. We had to find a Cooper and couldn't find one.

So, God damn it, motorcycle gangs need to have a Cooper. We have a sergeant at arms. We got a treasurer. There ain't no fucking gang Cooper. We got to put him have a Cooper. We have a sergeant at arms. We got a treasurer. There ain't no fucking gang Cooper. We got to put them in a barrel. We need a Cooper. We need a Cooper. After this, Critter said that he told Toot to warn Skip that, quote, these two dudes had an attitude about something and that it ain't no game, man.

Better look out. That was his exact quote. After he learned. Oh, so they said, well, how much to just have Skip beaten up? He's very cheap for people who want something done like this. And they said $250. Oh. It's $500 for a gun to kill him. $1,500 to kill him, you know, full service kill.

There's the do-it for 500 there's the full service where obviously that's going to cost you a little more and 250 just to break his leg what was it break his legs and elbows that's what they said so wow put him in a body cast i guess so just bust him up good it's a pretty good deal. So, Haseen and Greg leave the room and return with an envelope containing $250. Okay? Okay. They give it to Toot and Critter. They don't do shit. They just steal the money and laugh at these two idiots.

Because they're a biker gang and they don't care. What are you going to do? They said that they told all their friends they were never planning on doing anything and they just wanted to rob these two idiots of their money. Period. Thought they were suckers and there was nothing they could do about it. Fantastic. So some time goes by and Haseen's like, okay, Decker, you're the killer guy.

You're my guy, Decker. Eric Decker, the 21-year-old here. He gets an unmarked, unregistered handgun from a guy at some point in early August. And so that's what they're doing. August 22nd, 1980. Skip and Lois, she's now a pregnant 21-year-old. Correct. Drive to the Dunkin' Donuts across the street from Greg's Meat Market.

Got some dunks. Meat and Methemporium, as I like to call it. Greg's Meat and Meth, how can i help you it says meat and meth and it says emporium but it's a capital m yeah emporium craig's meat and meth not we got new york strip it's 8.99 a pound yeah not the meth is good and yellow this week yeah it, it's good. Come on in. Yeah, we're going to have both of them for you. No problem.

We got home delivery. So they do that. He parks. He faces the market. Skip does. And a lot of time has gone by, but there's been harassment going back and forth. Greg sees Skip and was worried about what the fuck's he doing over here. He might be coming to get me first, obviously. Shortly thereafter, I guess, Decker calls the market,

and Greg tells Decker, hey, Skip's outside looking in here. What the hell's going on? So Decker drives over with a friend of his, and they get out of their car. He walks up to Skip's car, sticks his head in the passenger window, and says, are you Skipper Kellett? Skipper is worse than Skippy, by the way. They're calling him Skipper? Skipper.

You Skipper Kellett? That's Barbie's little sister. Oh, my God. Yeah, Skipper. You don't want to be Skipper. No. That was going to be real bad in two years when two years when they're when that doll is out by skip for sure absolutely um so skip doesn't answer but does answer physically by getting out of his car

with a baseball bat in his hand hey that means yes i am i believe at that point so decker take goes off back to his friend's car and and they go over to the meat market. Greg unlocks the door. Decker comes in. Decker asks Greg if Haseen is coming. He says yes. So Greg and Decker went to Greg's van, which is parked in front of the market, to wait for Haseen. This is all going on in this little town right across the street from each other.

This is the dumbest thing ever. Right in front of everybody. Decker says to Greg, this cat has got to go all right so then they smoked a joint and then has seen uh has seen and his brother eli drive up in a dotson 280z hell yeah hell yeah god jesus they're going we're too wild and crazy guys huh like they're literally those guys. So I worked at a pizza place with an Albanian pizza chef when I was a teenager, and the guy would talk. He drove that car, didn't he?

He drove 300ZX, and he'd talk about, me and my brother, man, we go out to club, 300ZX, tell girl, get in car, we drive fast, go get blowjob, drop them back off.

Such a good night, man. And he's swinging this pizza. Three times a week he tell me that me and my brother that's how it always starts we go out and find this girl big tits man big fucking tits back seat boom boom there we go i'm like there is no back seat little back seat enough room for blow job okay so i just see that such a cool car though now it is one because i'm afraid every one of them have albanian jizz oh it's everywhere everywhere all over the place albanian pizza maker jizz all over you know it so so greg and decker leave the van and approach Haseen's car. Decker says, tonight's the night.

This cat's got to go. We'll use your gun. I want $250 to do this. So Haseen said he'd come back and pick up Decker. While he's gone, Decker asked Greg for a shirt to cover his tattoos. So he's not so obvious. So they gave him a long-sleeved tan shirt that was in the market. Probably said Greg's Meat Market on it, which is worse than the tattoos more identifiable the emporium oh jesus christ the emporium of meth

and meat that's what he called meth and meats so uh has seen returns 15 minutes later they drive to the house of has seen's parents in trenton. Decker waits in the car. Haseen goes inside and gets his father's.380 handgun. They drive back to Falsington, and Haseen drops Decker back off. Haseen gives Decker a New York Yankees batting helmet to cover his hair. So, I don't want you to be too obvious. I don't want you to be very conspicuous. So, wear this shirt that has the name of a business on the front and then wear a batting helmet in public because that's normal everybody

just wears a bat not a hat a batting helmet which is less conspicuous the the yankees batting helmet or the giants football helmet yeah which one hold on the face mask. That way no one will see you. So this is fucking ridiculous. Decker walked up the street but got lost despite the directions because he's a moron. So after 20 minutes, he finally finds Skip's apartment. Before going there, he went to apartments owned by Hasin across the street and sat for a few minutes. Then walked just so you could see him going from there to there just to really connect the dots wow sat for a while in public in a batting helmet in a batting helmet and a meat market shirt this is ridiculous god

we have to make meth meat meth and meat emporium shirts we have to make them by the way we're making those a fantastic design yes we're gonna do it look legit we need this break for us we absolutely need that one of these of our own so and then eventually we'll open a real one so he then walks across the street now they skip and lois lived on the second floor but today they were on the first floor apartment of a guy named George Sofield. They were hanging out. Decker sees them in there and enters. Goes through

the kitchen into the living room from one of the sliding glass doors in the kitchen. Has the 380 there. There's four people watching the Friday night fights. That's what they're watching. It's Skip, it's Lois, who's pregnant. George Sofield and 27-year-old

James Perali. P-U-E-R-A-L-E. So that's who's there. Skip rises from his chair. Decker fires a shot from the.380, which hits Skip in the head, but doesn't kill him. Headshots

him, but it just hurts him. Decker then turns and fires a shot at Lois. Oh, my God. She's got to go, too, remember? Which hit her in the neck and wrist. I guess through and through. There. So that's terrifying.

Then turns to Sofield, shoots at him and misses. Then shoots Perali, who has nothing. You ever hear his name so far? No. That's because he has nothing to do with any of this. He just likes fights. He's a friend of the guy who lives under them. That's it.

Just to see the Friday night fights. Yep. He turns, shoots him in the head, killed instantly. Nothing to do. Who the hell is this is his response. Has no idea. Has nothing. Has never gotten meat or meth or anything from these people.

So while this is going on, Haseen had went to Greg's house. Greg and Haseen and a guy named Michael Thompson, who's 22 years old. They get into Michael Thompson's car. Haseen is carrying a piece of metal pipe about 12 inches long in case they run into Skip. Haseen directs Michaelpson to drive up and down certain streets while his scene whistled out the window looking for what i guess he's looking for if it's being done they're driving up and down these streets he directed thompson to stop in the parking lot across from skip's apartment then told thompson to drive to the parking lot of a

school behind skip's apartment. They then drove to Dunkin' Donuts, where they remained for four or five minutes, until Haseen said, we've been seen. Yeah, we've been whistling out the window. Yeah, especially because you have a Dallas Cowboys football helmet on. Everybody saw you. This is ridiculous. Obviously. We're not missing a dog and he's whistling farmer in the dell out the window it looks it looks menacing guys you're

wearing dale earnhardt's fire suit it's obvious okay we just everyone sees you so they they then drove back to falzington as they were driving along they heard two shots okay and has seen said oh shit that's my father's gun i hope that asshole doesn't get caught he knows and yeah because they were driving right by there and then greg said oh shit it happened and then a few minutes later has seen in thompson stopped the car to call and call eric who's decker uh so has seen told greg quote, keep his mouth shut if the cops question you. Keep him shut. Obviously.

Obviously. So, they said after this whole thing, after the shooting, Skip and Lois obviously went to the hospital. They told the detective that the shooter was the same guy who confronted him at the Dunkin' Donuts earlier in the evening. He said he didn't know who he was um so the detective said that uh he went to talk to talk to Greg and he said like not accusing you of being involved or anything just you might be a witness do you know this you know did you see anything you're across the street and all that kind of shit they went to Greg's house at 4 45 a.m on a saturday morning to talk to him the detectives do um he answered the door wearing only a pair of pants he was asked to go to the

police station um they said that he he protested said it's four you know quarter to five in the morning i'll go later but they said no you have to go now we need you to come down there now so uh the detective said they didn't say that at all. That's just what he says. They said we didn't tell him he had to come down there because he wasn't compelled to come down there. Can't make you come there. Yeah. So they said he volunteered is what the cop said. So at the station, he's in a conference room. They're talking. They're talking about the confrontation between Decker and Skip and Lois at Dunkin' Donuts. Greg said the previous evening he'd been at the market. He saw Skip and Lois over there but didn't see any confrontation at all.

This started over $120 worth of meth. $150 worth of meth. Right, and now we're to the point, and minus $104 that he robbed from him maybe. It's now over $46 of meth. Yeah, there's gunshot wounds to the head shot up pregnant ladies a strange a stranger man is dead yeah it's wow um bad yeah um so victor has seen um he said this is what uh i'm sorry what uh greg says he said he stayed in the market till nine until vict Hussien arrived. Then he went home, discussed business with the scene until about 10 p.m.

and then was told about the shooting at about midnight by Billy Hayes. Then the detective shows him a picture of Eric Decker. At first he says he doesn't recognize him and then says, oh, yeah, I've talked to him and I've seen him a couple of times, but I don't hang out with him or anything like that. I've seen him a couple of times, but I don't hang out with him or anything like that. Okay. So Eli Haseen shows up now.

This is Victor's relative. Yeah. Yeah, brother. Shows up and tells the assistant district attorney that I'm a Wall Street lawyer. Okay. Okay. Hi. I'm a Wall Street lawyer. And then they grab him up and take him out of the room.

Greg. So, yeah, there's a lot of Haseen keeps trying to influence everything that's going on here. They try to make Greg sign a statement holding him responsible for the crimes in case Victor, in case Haseen gets arrested, arrested, erected in case he gets erected. So all sorts of shit they had practice sessions about what the story would be Valerie Lynch is a big part of this she said that she had followed

the order by Victor Haseen this is Victor's girlfriend I believe she is told to lie about where he is and where other people are and uh so she said she did lie at first but then later on she'll testify and she said that oh this she's somebody else's girlfriend she said that has seen promised her if you as long as you lie from cover up this murder if you need meat or money let me know okay um but he said

he said but not right now it's too hot it would look like a conspiracy you go home with a trunk full of new york strips the whole fucking the whole the whole town's gonna be hot it's far too many rivets for a casual civilian oh my god this is too much for a barbecue obviously so yeah has seen oh my jesus this is crazy so they arrest decker anyway yeah decker says shit yeah they told me to do it has seen told me i i had a future on easy street and i got a free money and he's gonna give me meat and and meth and all such meat, meth and money. And then it's going to be awesome. And yeah, he tells the whole story.

Oh, no. Critter also ends up flipping. Critter, by the way, will be exiled from the breed for snitching on someone who's not even involved. So Critter said, I told him if he came up with the money, Decker wouldn't testify against him. If not, that Haseen would fry like bacon. He's not even connected with Decker, but he goes to them and says, this is what you're going to do. He wants your money. He's just extorting them.

He just finds a way that he can get money. He's fantastic. He just finds a way that he can get money. He's fantastic. Critter said we was going to try and get 10 grand out of him to silence the opposite side and find ourselves a place in the sun somewhere. 10 grand? 10 grand. Place in the sun.

Vacation week? I guess. Yeah, to hang out here. Head on down to Daytona for the week he uh critter also said he intended to quote shake down has seen's defense attorneys by telling them that skip would pay him five thousand dollars to testify for the prosecution he's playing both critters oh wait till you hear what critter ends up doing i love critter so critter says he received 350 from a private investigator working for Haseen's defense after having offered to sell prosecution files to this private investigator. Wow.

So Thompson, after two months, Thompson finally goes to the police, the guy they drove with, and spills it all. So says, oh, yeah, I drove them around. They're talking all about it. Wow. So Toot comes forward as well. Toot says there's a big piece of the pie. Toot says, I got 250 bucks to break elbows and legs, but we weren't. We didn't do it.

They said we intended to burn him for the money and never carried out shit. He said we took 250 bucks and quote partied like dogs partied like dogs baby okay so george wants his initial they talked to george here greg i'm sorry they talked to greg greg wants his initial his initial statements suppressed even though he didn't really say anything except that he knew who Decker was and stuff like that. So they don't end up suppressing it. It goes to trial. Decker pleads guilty

in January of 81 for first degree murder and is sentenced to, you sir, may fuck off, life in prison for Decker. But he's going to testify against Greg and Haseen who are co-defendants. They put them in the same trial, which it becomes a contest of who's guiltier.

So they just dirty each other up hard. Rather than work together to say neither of us did this, they both just add evidence onto each other. The prosecution couldn't have done a better job themselves of dirtying both of them up here. Well, it's not hard. They fuck everything up. They didn't even kill the people they wanted to kill. No. They killed a dude they'd never met before.

Yeah. The prosecutor said, evidence will show that Orlowski and Kellett were lifelong acquaintances. They grew up. Oh, no, this is the defense attorney for Orlowski. They grew up together as stepbrothers. They had their good days and bad days, but never, not even in their worst of days, did Greg Arlowski ever want to see Kellett killed.

He's his brother, for Christ's sake. George tries to, or Greg, I'm sorry, tries to, he wants the trials. He's like, why are we together? This is ridiculous. He said that a great amount of testimony presented against Haseen, his co-defendant,

spilled over and prejudiced him. Spilled over on him. Decker testifies against him. Everything we said that he told, he tells everything that went on. He said, I'd be on easy street, all this type of shit. The whole deal. He said, Victor wanted me to shoot this guy in the head and leave the gun there to make it look like a suicide.

If there were any witnesses there, they'd have to go, too. That's what he said on the stand. They all suicided. They all. He killed. That's a murder. Suicide. He said he was speeding on the day of the shooting, having twice injected a couple grams of meth during that afternoon and evening.

That's not great. Thompson testifies. Like we said, Critter gets on the stand yeah this is from the newspaper schwab 37 a massive bearded man dressed in jeans and a fringe leather vest on the witness stand that's how he came to court that's how he came to court with his colors so he came to colors in his cut man that's fucked up so he said um and he said on the stand i ain't crazy about testifying for the police but i don't kill people for money i scam them and rob them god damn it piece of shit but not like that so it goes back and forth he said i told him i

would take a van load of steaks pack the van with with steaks, and give me five grand, and I'll kill him. Everybody wants steaks there. Listen, man. It's a signal that you're successful, that steak. Oh, shit. Haseen gets on the stand. He testifies. They're both testifying.

There's objections flying. The whole thing's a fucking mess. Verdict comes in. Both of you idiots are guilty, okay? Greg and Haseen are guilty. In sentencing, Haseen's lawyer asks that he be spared death in the electric chair. He says, you must ask yourselves, is this man such a mad dog that he must be disposed of? Or is there still something there of humanity, something which is worth saving?

The jury, seven women and five men, deliberate for three and a half hours until they come back with an answer. And they say, you, sirs, scumbags, may fuck off. Life in prison for both of you. Both of them. Both of you. That was the jury's recommendation, and the judge took it. They could receive sentences of 60 to 100 years more for the attempted murders and other different crimes and weapons and conspiracies and all that kind of thing. October 1981, critter update after the trial. Okay.

In July of that year, because of his testimony, they spared him a prison term on some fucking assault charge that he had or some shit. But he received the sentence of a parole and they said that they wanted him to settle down and get to something straight. He started a biker gang. And they said, you know, grab. They said the judge told him, I hope it all works out for you. And he put him on probation. Less than two weeks later, they arrest Critter. Critter's arrested and charged with rape, kidnapping, involuntary deviant sexual intercourse, and theft in connection with an incident involving an 18-year-old Morrisville woman. Critter.

Critter pleads guilty under this plea bargain, and he's sentenced to 5 to 20 years in prison for Critter. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. I liked him for a minute. That son of a bitch. He fucked me. He fucked us good, man.

He really let us down. A guy named Critter letting us down. Critter starts a biker gang, lets us down. You can't trust anybody these days. 5 to 20 in 85. He's probably dead now, right? He was 37 back then. Guys that live like that I don't think live to 80, do they really?

It's been 40 years. Probably not. If he is, I'm sure he's still a terrifying man i'm not sure so they both has seen and uh greg both appeal and uh doesn't go anywhere they both get their appeal stomped down they're sitting in there supposedly for life has seen in jail writes a shitload of books is that right yes he went to law school, remember. His writings have been reviewed favorably by the New York Times. He's garnered awards. Two

Pan-American awards in 1991 and 1992 for non-fiction writing. He also wrote poetry about prison life, published in an anthology of prison writings, The Crying Wall, in 2005. We'll talk about something else. But on April 27, 2008, he died while in prison. We'll talk about something else. But in April 27th, 2008,

he died while in prison. Victor Hussain. Under unusual circumstances, he was an outspoken advocate for prison reform, and his death is still under investigation. Though it is in the reports it says he

hanged himself here, according to the memo from the Department of Corrections. 2009, Greg is set free. They let him go. Life without parole is commuted. They said it was a super weird thing. It rarely happens in Pennsylvania, and he actually got it commuted to life on parole. Oh, my God. They said because he wasn't present for the murder

and still insists he wanted no one killed. His defense was, I just wanted Skip beat up. That's what he kept saying. I paid $250. I didn't try to murder anyone. I didn't try to murder anyone. So he's put on lifetime parole. In 2010, Haseen's book is released after his dad,

Life Without Parole, Living and Dying in Prison Today. And it's been used by sociology, criminal justice, and all sorts of professors to teach shit like that. It's used as a teaching tool in many colleges and all that kind of shit. It's in its fifth edition right now, still on Amazon. You can still get it on Amazon. Yeah, pretty amazing. So he must have been a decent writer, but a shitty guy at organizing a murder. And that is Falsington, Pennsylvania, everybody.

And one hell shitstorm of a fucking story, man. Holy shit. The meth and meat emporium. One man's super lucky to be alive. The one that got shot at and they missed. And then the guy got shot in the head. He's alive. The head survived.

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