Small Town Murder - #364 - Bird Of A Violent Feather - High Point, North Carolina

Episode Date: February 25, 2023

This week, in High Point, North Carolina, trouble springs up in a marriage, but it doesn't seem like anything that can't be overcome. That is, until one of the couple decides to bring 50-60 exotic birds into the house, causing more problems. This all leads to a surprising plan of murder, put together with some close family members. The murder is as cold blooded as it gets, with the murder coming after the victim begging for mercy. But a written letter, that wasn't supposed to opened is sent to the police, cracking the whole plot wide open!!Along the way, we find out that people have strong opinions of their small towns, that if you're going to kill someone, make it worth it, and birds can't be racists, on their own!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Weird shit. Let's find out. Patreon.com slash crime and sports is where you get all of that. Let's get into this, Jimmy. We have a lot of murder to get to, but before we get to that, I think it's time to sit back. Yeah. Where are you right now, everybody? Where are you?

I don't care where you are. Is it uncomfortable? Yeah, that's what I mean. Is it someplace? Is it someplace? You know what? Are you vulnerable? Maybe you're at the bank applying for a small business loan.

I'd like you to knock the picture of the spouse and kids right off the desk in front of you. Hop right on top of it. Kick the laptop aside. Arms to the air. Look down at this scared soul and shout, Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. What do you say?

Okay. Let's go on a trip. What do you say? Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah. All right. We are going on down to North Carolina this week. Oh, baby. Let's do it. Last one down there was the vampire incident there.

The smooth lover man vampire with the sisters, and that was a wild one. Oh, yeah. And the trailer. Oh, yeah. All of that trailers and buses and rvs and kids running around this week we're going to high point north carolina here oh um it is a bigger town now now it's 113 000 people um back when this happened it was in this it was about 60 000 people so it was a smaller place. And this kind of happened kind of out also, not really in the middle of everything.

Median household income here is about $43,000. Median home price, $172,000. So everything's just scaled down a little bit from the averages. A little bit of history here because there's some interesting stuff to get to with the other things here. Mainly English, Quakers, and German immigrants came here before 1750 okay and then it became a major manufacturing center in the late 1800s uh tobacco and textiles they're pumping out clothes and smokes apparently there that is north carolina that's it yeah it's in kind of a centralized location in north carolina too so it was good for like uh it was a good go-between place for shipping stuff you know

your your lumber driver could stop here and take a leak yeah strategic uh john coltrane from here is that right damn yeah this place will give you some soul apparently there you go not bad uh reviews of this town this is where we got to get to because these reviews man there are some different reviews and some people think different shit about this town here is everybody in agreement not and by the way again these are not our reviews right these are people's reviews who write them and then we're reading how did that i'd love to know how anybody listened to this and got that misconstrued. These guys wrote these reviews. How would we don't care. Small town murder. We don't care. Put that right on the poster.

We don't care. Calm down. So here's five stars. High Point was a run-down small college town with not much to do. A majority of the businesses were closed and or run down, meaning most entertainment had to be found on campus. There's a college. That's the other reason why we're doing this because a lot of the population is college. I don't count those people.

Is this review about to say, and then? Well, it sounds like the story of a town. Sounds like a trailer for a movie. In a world where a town was a rundown small college town with nothing to do. The university did a good job at keeping students entertained, but it would be easy to get bored for many students.

I personally don't mind being a part of the cross-country team. I run aimlessly, so what do I give a shit? Can't wait to run out of here. We frequently traveled to surrounding areas for practice and competition purposes, which provided an appreciated change of scenery. A

favorite location to visit was just west in Winston-Salem and at Salem Lake, where we would frequent for our long runs many weeks. What is this, a guide to cross-country running around here? As High Point University continues to build more and more around the actual city of High Point, it will be interesting to see how these things change. Thanks a lot appreciate it here's here's four stars um needs a lot more to do but still a nice place to live the restaurants could be could be a lot better too we need we need a dave and busters or something so they said they

said we need a dave and busters or something so this town is just a Dave and Buster's short of being really attractive to live in, apparently. Imagine living somewhere where you're like, fuck, at least a Dave and Buster's. If only we had a Dave and Buster's, for the love of God. Dave, Buster, someone listen to me and hear my prayers. That's hysterical. God of skee of ski ball help me here's three stars i have been living in high point for five years now and everything have been excellent have it i'm glad it have i'm glad it have. I'm glad it happened, my friend. Good for you. Why is that so funny?

I don't know. I don't know. It's such a minor mistake, and it could happen to anybody with a type of, you know, autocorrect or something, but it's so funny. It makes it so funny. It makes you really think that this review doesn't matter. You know what I mean? Just disregard the rest of this. Love the city.

Love the place. Really close to a lake. What is this, a fucking poem this. Love the city, love the place, really close to a lake. What is this, a fucking poem now? Love the city, love the place, really close to a lake. But, all capital letters, have been waiting for three months the city that that the city come pick up the loose leaves. And dot, dot, dot, dot. Still wait for still waiting when I call the city. They said all the time. Next week, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

Five dots now and nothing is happening. Let's see for how long I have to wait. We are in January. Let's see. how long I have to wait. We are in January. Let's see. We'll keep reporting. Well, thank you. We'll check back periodically about this man's leaves and make sure they're picked up.

I'm worried that he may have died from whatever head injury. There's something bad going on here. All right, here's one star, and there's a lot of one stars, by the way. One calls it the fifth circle of hell. Yeah. Here's one. We'll skip that one.

It's a one star with that. I love those. How many circles are there? Because some people say the seventh. Some people say the third. This one's the fifth. Maybe there's five and they're saying, maybe there could be ten and they're saying, this reminds me of the fifth particular circle. All um one star i'm a 10-year transplant

where do i start the trash there's litter everywhere not the people the litter the crime the lack of things to do no shopping unless you all caps love a pick through ross and tj maxx there's a mini Target. Oh, well, then. What? A mini Target. I don't know what that is. What is that?

Like just on a street corner, some bodega-sized Target. Top-up Target? Yeah. Dilapidated, abandoned buildings everywhere. The money-grubbing government stole downtown for the furniture market and left the residents with nothing. There is actually no downtown, just furniture showrooms closed to the public. I can't wait to get out. Save yourself.

Why? Wow. Things to do, the High Point Furniture Market. That's what there is. Dead serious. They're dead goddamn serious. But it's not open to the public. It says there's over 10 million square feet by roughly 2,000 exhibitors through 180 buildings.

So apparently. It's like an Ikea. They have a big thing for two weeks in the spring. 80,000 people come from over 100 countries to look at furniture. Holy shit. That said, let's talk about some murder, shall we? Okay. All right.

There's so many more reviews we could have done. We could have really went a long time with those. But this is a good case we need to talk about it let's talk about a guy first of all here let's talk about fred brown yeah big bad freddie brown uh frederick chester brown jr actually a junior that's always a good sign. June 14th, 1945 is his date of birth. And he was born and raised in, I guess, Silar City, North Carolina. S-I-L-A-R City. Siler, Siler. It could be anything.

Who the fuck knows? That could be anything. And people would be like, I can't believe he didn't know that one. Crazy. It's only five letters, James. Figure it out. This is southwest of Greensboro he grew up. We are crazy. Only five letters, James. Yeah. Out a small. This is east of or southwest of Greensboro.

He grew up. He joined the U.S. Army in Vietnam. Yeah. So he joined up and he was at the non-commissioned officer academy in Fort Sill, Oklahoma. OK. And while he's in Oklahoma, I guess being trained to be an officer here, he meets a 21-year-old young lady at this moment in time named Patricia DeRosa. So he meets her. Sounds like an Italian broad.

Yeah. Patty. Oh, hey, Patty. Oh, Patty. When is the eggplant parmesan going to be fucking done? What are we doing here? Come on. It's 4 o'clock on Sunday.

We ain't eating yet. What's happening? So Patty over here, Patty DeRosa. Pat, she goes by, though. Okay. They meet. By the way, she is the commanding officer's stepdaughter. Oh, shit.

So you want to be extra P's and Q's with that one. Or extra under the radar with that one. Yeah, well, he's got to be, he tells the truth and asks permission and all that shit. And you kind of have to. And you better be nice. That's the thing. You can't leave her crying on the porch or anything. You're going to be.

Don't you stand her up. You better be there. You're going to be scrubbing something. You're going to be scrubbing something with a toothbrush if you mess with this girl.'s a lot of pressure peel potatoes with a spoon here's a spoon there's a pile enjoy let's go god damn it so uh they end up now she was um her mother she was raised by a single mother patricia and then later on her mother married married three daughters in her family so she is one of three she's very close with her sister Sheila we'll talk about who's eight years younger than her okay they're very close now okay well eight years that's that can be because I'm I have an

aunt and a cousin who are both eight years older than me and i was always close to them they were more like older brother sister and okay i don't know it was like i was they were old enough to not be annoyed by a little kid you know what i'm saying and to kind of be nice to them to you know any closer they would have probably beat me up or you know done something bad but your brother is much younger than you too and i guess but were you guys close your whole lives or what did it take a while no because we adulthood yeah back and forth across i was yeah i was never yeah i moved back and forth a bunch of times when i was a kid and then yeah then they lived across the country so it wasn't until i really moved till we babied and taken care of and you've got to be salty and angry that you're not getting that look at you with your with your nice stable home fucking dick yeah with your smiles and nice birthday party yes look at you your parents

together that's nice isn't it yeah you're married parents you feel real comfortable and included in the home don't you you do yeah yeah it's hard not to resent that kid yeah not his fault. Not anybody's fault. Not at all. Everybody doing their thing, but as a kid, you're like, you sons of bitches.

You sons of bitches. Yeah. You become comedians. Every time you see him, you gotta be like, fuck you. Yeah, and that's how you get, like, Jimmy and Jameses. That's how they pop into the world.

That's how we grow up. You get bitter and you go, look at this one. Look at this asshole. Look at this big wheel that this cocksucker's got. That's when you're five. You're like, you go, look at this one. Look at this asshole. Look at this big wheel that this cocksucker's got. That's when you're five. You're like,

look at him. You start making fun of it and making fun of him because that's all you got. That's your only recourse. This is frustration and anger coming out. I still love you.

I fucking hate you. Oh, that's what it is. It's not your fault. It's fine. It's good. So, Pat and Fred, here, the meat there, they are married within six months. They date for six months marriage.

So when you got the commanding officer's daughter, you better make an honest woman out of her back then or you better not be involved pretty much. Because like I said, that's a dangerous thing for him. Now, in the army, he got sent to live in different countries and different states and they go all over the place um they end up with two kids these two a son and a daughter and they stay together so this is you know all through the 70s we get into the 80s they're still together uh by 1988 fred retires from the army he's been in the Army the whole time. He's a career guy. He retires as a major. Wow.

That's a big deal, right? I don't know the rankings, but that sounds good. It sounds good. They made a show called Major Dad. They did, yeah. And in that, he had a dress uniform, and they had a decent house. He seemed to be of at least above a medium rating, I feel like. Yeah, it's somewhere in the-

There was a major pain where one of the Williams brothers goes to a school and beats the shit out of children. There's that. Yeah, there's that. Is it right before Colonel? Does it go Major Colonel General? Is that how it works? It's up there. I think it's up there.

The high is Captain. There's Lieutenant, which is not- That's lower. That's lower. Captain think it's up there. The high is captain. There's lieutenant, which is not. That's lower. That's lower. Captain feels like just above mediocre. That feels like below major. Lieutenant seems like you could bat at a person.

Don't get mad at us because we don't know. Yeah, lieutenant, you could flirt with them probably. I feel like anything above that. Major feels like a big deal. Major feels like you're in trouble. If you get called into their office, you're either at something really good or really bad, right? Yeah. It's nothing in between.

I think Major's above Captain, right? Does it go Captain, Major, General? Yeah, that's what I would say. I think so, yeah. No, the Colonel's in there. Oh, the Colonel, yeah. Colonel's right before General in the Army, I believe. Captain, Major, Colonel, General.

That's got to be right. i love when i love when we put together a theory with no facts backing it whatsoever and then we go that sounds like it's probably right we move on like let's turn that paperwork in we do that all the time small town murder we don't care remember that Remember, that's what you got to keep in mind all the time. We care about murder facts. Other than that, the rest of it, we try our best. No. So we don't. Imagine that if I studied the whole army hierarchy for this episode, too.

It's like there's enough murder to figure out in this. So he gets a job. In 88, like I said, he retires as a major. They settle in High Point, North Carolina. That's where they end up. He gets a job teaching business at Guilford Technical Community College. I don't know if it's a community college that's technical or if it's just technically a community college. I'm not sure how that is.

But technically you'll graduate. It's technically a community college, but it's sort of just in a field. You've got to bring your own camping stool or something. This is where the Target used to be. Yeah, it's here. Now, Pat worked in real estate and also taught real estate

at Randolph Community College in Asheboro. So they both do teaching. She does real estate. Pat has high blood pressure. Pat has a lot of health problems. Oh, boy. She's a heavy smoker or was a heavy smoker. And she had high blood pressure and diabetes to begin with.

Shit. Yeah. So not the best combination for health. High blood pressure, diabetes, and smoking mixed together is not terrific here. And so she had open heart surgery in 1990. Holy shit. Yeah, I mean, they're only in their 40s. Crack the chest plate.

That's a big one. And back then, too, 1990, that was a bigger deal than it is now. They're much better with stents and things can be done a little easier now. She ended up having to – she lived after the surgery. Her whole convalescence she spent with her mother in Alabama. So, yeah, that's where her family lives. And her sister Sheila lives down there. So she spent a lot of time with Sheila while she was getting better and all that sort of thing.

So her health starts to return. Okay. She comes back to North Carolina to, you know, live back with her husband, Fred, and everything like that. Get back to it. But she's very nervous. She's very worried about her future now. The health scare really, it didn't give her the point of view of you know oh every day is a gift now and even her thing was oh jesus christ you could die any day

now that was her thing she took the opposite thing of you know the usual way that people take a near-death experience they go holy shit those both of those lead to uh healthier living right well for her, yes. That's what it does. It makes her anxious. So she needs to find something to help her relax, something to do, something to focus her energy on rather than just think about whether she's going to drop dead any minute or not. Where does she go with that? Well, she ends up – I don't know.

Jimmy, everybody out there in small-town murder land, I don't know how this happens all the time. We don't look for things that have certain elements to them. But I don't know why birds always pop up in our stories. We have a T-shirt that has all the murder birds, the pocket robin, the meth falcon, the parrot, all of them. She finds her solace in breeding exotic birds not just bird watching she wants to breed them she has we're talking all over the house there's birds oh my god her friend said she had all these exotic birds all over the house there was 50 60 something like that that she was keeping there all sorts of birds dude everywhere holy shit that's so many birds man it's so loud it's so

loud and one of them her kind of prize is her african gray parrot which is the bird that said don't shoot don't shoot and solved a murder for us before yeah so let's see what happens with these murder birds man i'm telling you smart this is crazy this, these birds. Her birds are, we'll find out here. I'll tell you all about it. All right. So Fred wasn't quite as into the birds as she was. Shocker. Yeah.

I'm surprised. He wasn't real into the chirping and didn't really want the whole house to be a bird sanctuary. Just wasn't into that. Especially when he gets out of the shower and they're commenting on his dick a couple yeah a couple of birds you know i know it's cold in here but jesus christ fred that's a that's a lot to take from a bird you know what i mean you don't want all the abuse yeah like hey fuck you man hey man i'm doing what i can't be comfortable in my own home yeah can't be comfortable i'm a girl god damn. Can't be comfortable. I'm a girl. God damn it. So I'll kill this bird.

I swear to God I'm going to strangle it. He's a little cocksucker. And I don't, the only thing I know about birds is this, because I've never had pet birds. I know my cousin has birds. My cousin Ian inherited my grandmother, racist Nan's birds. So she had these birds and she birds live a long time they do and my stepmother my stepmother gave her like new birds not even old birds when she was like 86 years old so these these birds are gonna live another 10 12 years 15 years and my cousin has them now and he's like i'm fucking birds i don't you know i'm not

into birds but i feel responsible for these birds because they're around here my grandmother's birds apparently he told me i don't know anything about this but he said there's dry birds and there's wet birds what okay i guess wet birds are the type of birds that have like oils and shit so they don't have as much like bird dust coming off them all the time and like dander and feather shit and all that kind of thing and then there's dry birds who are just you could see a cloud around them in the sun just always like if they shake off there's always a cloud of shit around them dry birds yeah i don't know i just know i think they're cockatiels is what he has and those are dry birds and he's like god damn it why are these these kind of birds so 50 or 60 she's

probably got a mixture in there i don't know what's going on so uh neighborhood at a uh that that the typical blue blue and yellow parrot whatever the fuck that thing is with the white face yeah one of those named him larry obviously yeah he used to say larry and what's your name and then they would say larry is the most annoying fucking thing on the planet that's all i imagine that times 60 going on so fred here's a here's a quote from a co-worker of fred and a friend of his quote fred was definitely annoyed by the birds i think the first few were okay but as she continued to get birds yeah yes, it was quite annoying to him. She's now a hoarder of birds. We have 60 birds.

I mean, that's a lot of birds. I'm sorry. Two, three birds. All right. Yeah. My wife's getting better. This is good for 60 birds. Now you're just balancing feed time, right?

60 in a day? Are you cooking these? What are we doing? Are we, how are these, are you selling them? Are we turning this? Yeah. Are we flipping birds here or what is this just a bird house now so fred though because his wife was trying to get better he's

trying to be he's trying to get along yeah he says fine learns to live with them okay i can deal with these birds he even agreed to build an extension onto their home for birds. A birdstention. Just a birdhouse on the house for all the cages. If you're building more on your house just for your hobby, your hobby's out of control. Yes, especially if it's a shitload of birds. Right. Your hobby is alive.

Yeah. It's not like a workshop because they're going to make antique furniture. You know, they're going to restore antique furniture. They're going to make something, you know, I don't know, fishing flies or none of that shit. This is a whole house part. Oh, wow. So now she said she would tell everybody that her husband didn't like her birds and especially didn't like her African gray parrot. Obviously.

Yeah. She would raise the bird. She did sell some of them. Some of the birds she sold for two grand. Holy shit. Back in, you know, 91. We're talking 90, 91. Yeah.

These are exotic. Not just run-of-the-mill pet store birds she's got here good goddamn bird that's a nice bird i guess there so that's something um also they have a bit of a disagreement over her real estate activities um fred apparently apparently there was a beef between pat and her partner in a real estate company they had and fred's fred told her that her partner was right and that she was wrong and um you know fred take easy man listen to your partner because they're smarter than you essentially is what they said what fred said which pissed her off obviously yeah uh one of her friends said she was very upset that fred was

on the side with the partner and not her side and that caused her to lose her position in the business and lose money so somehow fred's opinion on this board of directors he's got the deciding vote of who who goes down and he was like he did an old thumbs down with his wife and was like sorry pat sorry about it see you in bed it's home with the birds for you so um also fred did not get along with her family at all we're talking all of the family there nobody the yeah the he the family didn't like him ever they just hated him and um he apparently when she was in the hospital in 1990 they didn't talk to him at all for the heart surgery thing and he noticed that he was on one side of the room and her whole family was on the other side of their bed and they wouldn't

talk to him so you notice that after a while yeah you know i don't think they like me i don't know what it is it's weird it's very strange there's a body here who we all care about everybody's on one side of her i'm alone over here yeah i mean i did scarf down her indicator i did scarf down her hospital meal and she went to the bathroom i know everybody saw that but that shouldn't be that big of a deal right hospital stuffing it's delicious it was just good i that cafeteria food. I can't get enough of it. So this is the environment we're living in here. It's full of birds and hate and acrimony and tension. Here's a friend who said, quote, Fred was trying to appease Pat in making the renovations to their house, even though it was creating a lot more debt than he wanted to have, obviously.

Yeah, that's expensive. Definitely. And they said at one point when he was talking to, I believe this is his accountant, they said that a situation came where he came to my office and talked about what he was afraid may happen, and he just said to me point blank, I would not be surprised if pat didn't get a contract out on me so yeah he jumped right to that like she's she's real pissy lately i'm surprised

she's gonna hire somebody to kill me which is a it's a big jump probably trying to get rid of me now that's a big jump you know um but fred would never consider divorce saying it went against his beliefs he believed that you got married you got married you're married and i meant it that's it yeah god damn it now a former house key they have a lot of housekeepers by the way really in a house with 60 birds and all this tension housekeepers come and go i mean they're not going to stick around are they housekeepers or zookeepers both that's what i mean what do you what are supposed to do? You know you're picking up bird shit at some point here. And your housekeeper shows up in Banana Republic and a hard helmet. Looking like Curious George's fucking handler.

That fucking safari hat. The hell's his name? I don't even remember. John or some shit. Wasn't he the man in the yellow coat? Wasn't that his handler? Yeah, him and then he had the little monkey the curious george yeah i think it was i don't think he had a name i think it was

just a man in the yellow hat or yellow suit yellow coat yeah i guess maybe i don't think he had a name so this motherfucker takes a monkey yeah into his home takes care of this little bastard doesn't even this thing doesn't care enough about him to give even find out his name nope wow i'm i'm done with curious george i'm done with him anybody that takes a monkey and refuses to disclose their identity that's a scary person i'll read no more of these books well the monkey's ungrateful or he's hiding a lot. One of the two. Maybe the monkey is causing so much mischief because this man is a terrible human being. Didn't he just take the monkey from the jungle in this too?

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So, one of the former housekeepers said that she was hired after Pat's surgery. She said she often heard Pat verbally abuse Fred. Really? Multiple times. She'd yell at him all the time.

The lady had her chest sawed open. She's probably not going to be chipper. Yeah, I can understand her being a little grumpy. Two other women who cleaned the house for them after Patricia's surgery said they overheard Patricia Brown curse at her husband on several occasions. But we don't know if she's right. That's the thing. We don't know if he's done something stupid or, you know, he's fucked up.

Who knows what he's done? We don't know. Sometimes she just loves right. That's the thing. We don't know if he's done something stupid or, you know, he's fucked up. Who knows what he's done? We don't know. Sometimes she just loves it. That's the other thing. If her name's Pat DeRosa and she's fucking Italian, she's just going to yell at you a lot. She just loves. That's one of the reasons. She loves hard.

Trust me. One of the reasons I said, I don't think I'm marrying an Italian girl because I don't really feel like being yelled at that often. Even if it's no even if it's not in a mean way it's like okay stop yelling at me it's just a lot of yelling trust me i grew up in a house a lot of yelling and just going this i think i can so i'm gonna quiet this down when i get older i think i super like it yeah because you didn't grow up with it yeah you didn't grow up with that and then the tv on fucking volume 65 to go over the din as a while they're all yelling at each other it's so loud i just got quietly for five minutes

just leave me alone you grew up going i want some action somebody care about me yeah you grew up going i want some action i want some stuff around and i was like can I get away from these people? So they also the second housekeeper in this one, Addie Collins is her name. She said she worked for the Browns only four days. She had to quit because of what she called the confusion in the house. And someone later said, what do you mean by confusion? And she said, well, the Browns are always fighting. And I didn't like one of the birds that was there either out of the 60s she didn't get along with one of them they said why didn't you like the bird yeah quote one of the birds made a racial slur i didn't like oh my god first of all which racial slur are you teaching

your bird because birds you know what that's so that's at least in a bird that's taught we know that for a fact for sure that's birds aren't boy birds aren't born racist first of all so what slur did you teach them number one that says a lot about your character number two you know is it funny is it self-deprecating is it guinea you know what i mean and maybe she taught it that. Maybe she wanted to throw it at me. Call me a wop. Let's do it.

We don't know. Was it aimed at you? Did they clearly say something behind your back? That's the thing. Or did this bird know what racial slur to throw at what person? That's scary. Does it know multiple racial slurs? Said, you're a whatever, you're black, and then throw the N-word at him, or was like, this one looks Hispanic or something.

It does something else. That's what I mean. Does it have a- Does it have a Rolodex of different ones to pitch out? What's this bird's racial vocabulary is what i'm getting at yeah and uh or saying one over and over and over does it know one and this it happened to be they hit the jackpot and that's the housekeeper we got i don't know and that's what she taught the bird the slot machine rolled seven and it happens to be you.

And you turn around and say, fuck did you just say? This fucking, are you, this bird. It said it three times. I know what it said now. I'm looking right in its eyes. Look at him. I can see it. So is that what's happening?

Because these birds, I don't know what it is about small town murder and birds, but it's blowing me away. So here's what ends up happening. Enter Sheila. Okay. Sheila's name, everybody calls her Didi, by the way. So we'll call her Didi. I can see that. That's the younger sister, Didi.

She works at a tool and dye factory in Alabama. That's a tough broad. Didi's a tough broad down there i'll tell you something else hey dd oh look at this she's making threads and steel that dd yeah she's she's definitely a member of the pink ladies in uh greece she's one of those she's a union member oh that's for sure card carrying so now pat in april march or April of 1990, right after her surgery, she contacted her sister, Sheila, Deedee, and her brother-in-law, Deedee's husband, Leroy. Leroy Wentzel is his name. They live down in New Hope, Alabama.

And she asked, hey, Deedee, Leroy, would you happen to know anyone who would be willing to kill my husband Fred anybody about that I mean just throwing it out there if you know anybody if someone's got a feeler out looking for work how far post chest crack are we pretty close she's just putting her bird collection together she's just I don't think he's decided to build the extension on the house yet so maybe it'll go away we don't know maybe it'll turn into a standoff so now leroy in an article by the way is described as and i have to quote him quote leroy wenzel a drug smoking mechanic known to drink three cases of beer a week i think we found out who taught that bird some words yeah well he hasn't been up there but he would be a guy who would yeah a drug smoking drug smoking first of all a drug smoking mechanic drunk from alabama would

probably teach him something but but if it's just weed we got to specify what drug because if it's if it's something using utilizing a light bulb that's a bad person well he's a guy volunteering for murder duty so i gotta think it might be more than weed possibly. Yeah, Leroy's like, well, I'll figure it out. So Pat meets with them in Alabama when she's down there convalescing with her mom. And she said, well, you know, this is where my house is, and let's plan this out. We could do this. She said, I'll give you $1,000 up front, you know, down payment.

And you could trust me. we're related here for later and then i'll pay you another thirty thousand dollars once it's over and i get the insurance money so let's do this hands in the middle you know go team yeah go to you we're gonna do everything that uh indicates a conspiracy was afoot. Let's make sure there's a... It's not going to look weird when I pay you 30 grand in three months. Everybody, let's make sure there's a paper trail here. We really want this to be... Connect these dots pretty easily for a jury.

So after this, Leroy, pretty much in the next few days, starts driving to North Carolina. I'm going to do this. On his way, he decides that he can't continue and do this. What is this? This is crazy. I'm driving to kill this on his way. He, he decides that he can't continue and do this. He, what is this? This is crazy. I'm driving to kill this fucking guy. What am I doing for this? This is crazy. So he called Pat and said he couldn't do it. I can't do it right now. So they said, okay, well we'll work on it at another time. Maybe we'll come up with a better plan.

So the first idea was to kill him in the house where they live in high point so brown here pat she drew a diagram of the house showing the location of the back door the fence this is where the dog will be if you go over here the dog can't get to you shit like that so leroy said that he went to he goes to follow through again and lost his nerve again and ended up just driving to penn to Pennsylvania instead and went to see his parents rather than killing Fred. That's an awfully big detour. I was just going to say, to go from, I'm going to go to North Carolina.

You know what? Reading, Pennsylvania doesn't sound bad. They're not close to each other. They're not. No, it's not like you were going to go to Scottsdale and you decided to go a little farther and go to Holbrook or something. This is a different story. So a little while later, Leroy and Sheila visit Pat in North Carolina and they meet Fred Brown at that moment.

So even meeting him, they're like not discouraged of killing him from there. meeting him they're like not discouraged of killing him from there so leroy will later say well quote about a conversation he had with pat quote well we had a long conversation about what was going to be done and how it was going to be done i called patricia and i let her know i was on the way and she made arrangements that her daughter would just be out of the house and fred would be the only one home pat told me i should make it look like a car broke down and call fred and have him come out so that's the plan that they're going to try to do um he has this is a none of these plans are great plans by the way they're all just kind of on the fly yeah i don't see a lot of diagrams, not a lot of master planning. So April 23, 1991, Leroy speaks with Pat again, and they made arrangements that it's going to go down in a couple days.

We're going to figure this out. So April 25, 1991, Fred is reported missing that morning by his wife and daughter. He's gone. Fred's gone fred's gone now the last the last time they saw him was about 7 45 the night before when his daughter left the house for a few hours she saw him she returned and pat was doing some real estate thing some seminar or something sure when she returned the daughter after 10 her dad wasn't there oh so fred um and he was she was teaching that night she had a class pat so the only one who the only people home were fred and the daughter daughter leaves fred's home see you later so his 10 no fred no fred 5 45 a.m when he still wasn't home they called the cops

and reported him missing about four hours later a 911 call call comes into the sheriff's office uh a road crew was out there like cleaning shit and uh they noticed that a dead body was found on the side of the road 9 a.m highway 68 in a ditch alongside the road face down oh boy yep uh a red sweatshirt was wrapped around the victim's right arm for some reason. Is that all? And a pool of blood surrounding the head. He's wearing nothing but a sweater around his wrist? He's got clothes on, but there's also a red sweatshirt wrapped around his arm.

Oh, got it. Yeah, you were taking it off. Yeah, so it's on the side of the road. It's a heavily traveled road, too. It's not far from the house either. His unlocked 1982 Mercury station wagon was sitting nearby. That's a ride right there, man. Oh, that's hot shit. It's a lot of car. Yeah.

Speaking of grease, like we mentioned earlier, that's a real pussy wagon, as they said in that movie. You're going to get something in that. Six of cream. Oh, boy. It's getting lots of tit and mercury in a mercury station wagon what a gross thing to say that whole song is really filthy really vile and people just showed that to their kids all the time look at them dancing isn't it nice yeah yeah but mo what they just say it's don't worry about it it's just something about cream

it's not a big deal it's fine what's he getting lots of nothing don't worry about it he didn't just say hand job it's okay it's a real pussy wagon you're like what wow okay um so the keys are in his pocket as well in this man's pocket no wallet on him though so they don't know who he is they're trying to is this fred who knows is the blood inside the car only on the outside of the car no blood inside the car no identification they look in the car no id in there they run the plates they're fred's plates. They assume that's Fred since he's missing. He's been shot three times. Once in the back and twice in the left side of the head. And his missing wallet thinks at first they're like, well, looks like a robbery, missing wallet. But then they look and there's a footprint on his back.

Like somebody held him down with a foot and shot him. And they're like, that's strange for a robbery. Yeah. You know, if he was trying to get away and someone was robbing him, they'd probably be happy he was leaving and just take what they got and leave. But this is interesting. So one of the county sheriffs, the sergeant said, quote, obviously someone stood over this guy and shot him with his foot on his back execution style. Somebody that's robbing somebody doesn't want to get that close. They'd say, stay back. That's why they have a gun. Stay back.

And if they shot him and they fell down or they tried to get away, they'd be like, good. Distance between us. Another witness who had driven by the night before claimed she saw two cars parked bumper to bumper on the side of the road, like somebody was giving someone a jump oh front bumper front bumper front bumper uh they said there was two people there one of their hoods was propped open and another person who lived around there said they heard three gun

shots at 11 p.m okay now here's what happened they uh leroy Wenzel, he said they planned that he would call Fred at Fred's house that night and say his car broke down. So Wenzel has got a Ford Escort station wagon. Yeah. 22 caliber pearl handle revolver. Jesus Christ. This is quite the plot here. Wow. And he kept his gun wrapped up in a shirt that he had.

He is a mechanic, a former truck driver, and a, quote, drug-smoking drunk from earlier. So he drives eight hours nonstop to get there from Alabama. He calls Fred from a service station and says hey my car broke down yeah you know all this shit he drove to a bank of trees off of gallimore dairy road near north carolina 68 that's where we're talking and he lifted the hood popped a spark plug out and waited for fred to come that way he could try to start it and it wouldn't start and waited for Fred to come. That way he could try to start it, and it wouldn't start.

Okay, but he's got the hood closed. So, I mean, if you open, if you got your hood open, and somebody goes, all right, start. Dude, you're missing a plug. It's pretty easy. Well, he had the hood popped, and he's like, yeah, I don't know what's going on. And so it was just going to be, you know, when I started, it's not there. Whatever. So that's what he does.

So he meanwhile, like we said, Pat's gone. She's at a meeting and everything like that. So he ends up he's got a yellow and black sweatshirt on, by the way. Wow. Leroy here. They arrive there. Jesus Christ. Fred said, sure, be right there.

Be out there in a few minutes. No problem. So he had the hazard lights on, Wenzel, and looks under the hood of his car there. And they're talking about he's trying to start it. And so Fred starts poking around a little bit. So Wenzel then said, why don't we walk over here for a minute? While he's doing that, he tells Fred that, hey, your wife wants you dead. And then he takes a gun out.

Oh, my God. From under a sweatshirt. Right? So Fred starts saying, hey, don't fucking kill me. No. He's just begging for his life. Leroy would later say of the whole situation, he walked up to the car, looked underneath the hood and discussed what to do. Then I got the gun wrapped in the sweatshirt from my car and I said, let's go for a walk.

And I told him his wife wanted him dead. So Wenzel says, quote, he begged me not to shoot him. He started running. I fired a shot and he fell down. That's the shot in the back. I walked over to him. I didn't know if he was dead. And I shot him two. That's the shot in the back. Yep. I walked over to him. I didn't know if he was dead, and I shot him two more times in the back of the head.

With his foot on his back. With his foot on his back. This is like a mob hit. This is cold-blooded. This is fucking cold. Yeah. To walk up and tell someone, hey, your wife wants you dead, I'm going to kill you,

and see that and run and then shoot him, this is cold-fucking-blooded. Truly, because it's not like your wife wants you dead i'm gonna kill you yeah and see that and run and then shoot him that is this is cold fucking blooded truly because it's not like your wife wants you dead and like uh and then him you know it's him saying sorry gotta do this man that's fucking cold yeah i'm gonna make sure you're good and scared through this process rather than just you know you turn around and look at your watch and i sneak up behind you and pop you a couple of times. And that would have been so much easier to be like, hey, look over there. That's the respectful way to do this. This is not nice at all. So and then Wenzel said, then I got back in the car and drove down the road.

He, you know, no problem. Easy does it. That's how he does it. So then he says, hold on a minute. I forgot. I'm supposed to make it look like a robbery. Hold on a minute. I forgot.

I'm supposed to make it look like a robbery. So he turns his dumb shit ass around, goes back, and takes his wallet. Takes Fred's wallet so it looks like a robbery. And then he takes off, drives home. When he's driving home, he takes whatever he got out of the wallet, which is between $70 and $95. Gross. And he throws the wallet out on the side of the road. He threw the gun into the Cusa river in Alabama and he tried to go home so fast that he even got a speeding ticket in Rome, Georgia, where the, the,

the tit statue is, um, for going, yep. For going seven, 72 and a 55 that day he was moving. Yep. That's it. He was going, yeah, he was getting in a 55 that day. He was moving. Yep, that's it. He was going. Yeah, he was getting the hell out of there. So he said, I called up my wife and told her it was over, and I threw the wallet away. So they're investigating, obviously, and they said there's a lot of speculating going on around the police department.

He said there's a thousand possibilities why he left that house. And then they heard that because they were were like why was he out there they found groceries in the car he had a small bag of groceries in the car fred so they said okay he must have gotten groceries at some point before this happened so they were trying to figure it out uh they notify pat of her husband's death uh they said one of the cops said when the detectives talked to patricia she did not act like she was too concerned with fred's death that kind of put up a red flag at least pretend if you're gonna get involved in murder at least go oh no oh god don't just be like well i mean people get killed all the time i guess i don't know you want to buy a bird have? Have you ever thought of an exotic bird?

If you get one for your kid now, it'll probably outlive them. Who knows? Come on in and pace my cages. Let's see which one picks you. Come on. Let's see which one figures out what ethnicity you are or race and throws a slur out towards you. That's going to be yours. The one that picks your race right is yours.

Racist murder birds we have now we've never had that before so they uh everybody loved fred too they talked to people at fred's job and they're like never gave anyone a problem he had no enemies everyone loves fred what are you talking about pat though they started being suspicious of pat right away um pat's friend said this quote she meaning pat asked if i had been interviewed by detectives and i said yes and she said i'm their number one suspect and i don't understand why and yeah i know they asked me a lot about you so yeah since the only reason i know fred is through you really this what do you think we talked about she and then they said about you so yeah since the only reason i know fred is through you really this what do you think we talked about she and then they said about you know i don't know maybe they think that

you would want the insurance money you know it's just normal conversation and quote a quote and she said why would i kill fred for 150 000 that's insurance money that wouldn't even barely pay off the house and wouldn't leave me with much after that. So I wouldn't do that shit, which is pretty good. That's a pretty good nest egg, though. It's not terrible. No bills. That's not bad. Or sell the house and you got some money.

I don't know. Figure it out. So it's it's a good start over thing. And she has a job. So the next day, Patricia meets with Dan Wright of the mortuary there at the Cumbie Mortuary in High Point. Cumbie, which sounds like a weird porn with somebody in a Gumby costume. It's a Gumby Bukkake film. I don't like that at all.

Cumbie. Gumby and he leaks green. Here's Cumbie and he's just covered in jizz. I don't like that at all. That's what everybody calls those Cumberland Farms gas stations in New England. Didn't they call his, that's true, didn't they call his horse Pokey? Maybe that's why. Pokey is now Cumbie.

Pokey is just, he's made him Cumbie. So they said, quote, she made the statement that Mr. Brown made her live as cheap as dirt. And that's the way she was going to bury him. That's what the mortuary person said. I was like, whoa, that is rough. So a few days later, Brown meets with Jean Williams, who's human resources director for at her husband's job to discuss his death and medical benefits through his job. his death and medical benefits through his job. And upon learning that the benefits and retirement contributions weren't that much,

she thought that she was going to have a shitload of money, but all of the stuff from the job is about $25,000. Oh, no. So this woman says, quote, Mrs. Brown made the statement, well, I don't feel comfortable to repeat them. And they said, no, you have to repeat them. And they said, well, she said to me, do you mean that fucking son of a bitch got himself murdered and that's all he left me that's awesome so but on june 4th 91 two death benefit checks were issued totaling 143 307 dollars and 25 cents wow of which she paid her brother-in-law three thousand dollars oh not 33 she gave him which well this is 10 of what i thought i was gonna get so you get 10

you get something here so um then a few days about a month after this pat's dad dies oh no the commanding i don't know if it's a real dad or the step step dad but big heart attack yeah so she calls that the the person here and said she said quote gene this is pat i'm very upset daddy's dead and that son of a bitch killed my father i thought my god someone has killed her father i told her no i'm sorry you've you've got two tragedies so close together what happened and she said quote he literally didn't kill him but he might as well have killed him he was so worried about fred's death fred is such an asshole he went got himself murdered leaving her very little money and making her father stress out about it what a dick fred is right i kind of dare

he i kind of hope that all the stress of this did kill him because that means she contributed to her death she killed both of them is what that is unbelievable she said it's all his fault wow uh that's insane so um now that she also after collecting all this money, she sells her home and moves to Alabama and buys a double wide trailer and continues to sell exotic birds. So it's now her and 50 birds in a trailer. Imagine that. Holy shit. She literally lives in a bird cage. She lives in a bird cage.

Imagine the cacophony of noise with the inside of a tin can oh my god kill me now so three years go by what three years go by they have no they talk to pat she says nothing they don't know to talk to leroy and sheila they have no idea they even exist so the cops they have no leads just oh my god this poor bastard got killed on the side of the road probably pulled over to help somebody and they shot him took his wallet i don't know the man's got kids leroy's having a tough time by now okay so he he assaulted his wife he assaulted sheila they're going through a divorce he attacked he attacked her with a weed whacker and then threatened to kill her. He put a knife to her.

Did he turn it on or did he just like hit her with this heavy fucking thing? I mean, I don't think that's much of a threat unless you turn it on and get that going. I think once you get that going it's scary. Hit you with those plastic things. Those will hurt. They cut weeds. They'll definitely hurt you.

You ever get your ankle with one of those? It's not good. It's not, yeah. He put a knife to her throat another time and said, I can kill you before anybody can get here.

He threatened to keep her son and this is wild. She said that he threatened to keep her teenage son that summer and turn over to authorities letters that would incriminate her and her sister i'll tell on both of you even though he's the one who killed him he said that is unless i get five thousand dollars five grand we'll keep this going why does he need that because

he is wanted for owing four thousand dollars in child support to his first wife. So, he gets arrested for not paying child support. Talk about living in the here and now. Dude, five, not even eight grand, we'll cover this twice, five thousand. So, by June 94, he's been arrested. He's on the verge of suicide.

He gives two letters to his daughter, Janelle, with instructions to open them only upon his death. Okay. Only. The letters had handwritten words, only open when I die, in purple ink across the front of them on the envelope. Here is what the letter said. Okay.

Quote, I, Leroy Wenzel, was to be paid $30,000. I shot Fred Brown by his wife, Pat Brown. The whole thing was arranged by my wife, Sheila Wenzel, and her sister, Pat Brown. It happened in High Point, North Carolina, approximately 10 p.m. He was found in the gutter, face down, shot two times in the back of the head. These are sentences. He uses a lot of periods, this guy. There was a black and yellow sweatshirt there next to his body.

He had a light blue jacket with a white shirt and brown pants. Pat did not have enough money. She borrowed $400 from her mother, who knew what it was for. She was also in on it. The mother knew about this the whole time, Sheila and Pat's mom. Pat paid me about $3,000 so far. I have to write this letter. I will not be the only one who will pay for what has been done.

This is a true statement. My son, Mark Wenzel, knew about this just in case they say they did not do any of this. I told him about it. Thank you. If I kill myself, this letter goes to the Ploisi, which is how he spelled police. This letter goes to the Ploisi, which is how he spelled police. P-L-O-I-C-I-E. Ploisi.

Give it to the Ploisi. The what? The Ploisi. That makes me think he says the Plois. The Ploisi. It's a Poese, huh? I see, a ploese. Send this to the Italian ploese.

I'm going to turn you into the ploese. They're going to come and get you. I swear to God, they're going to take you away. I'll bet he says ploese. I'll bet he doesn't say police. I'll bet he actually says the ploese. He also says paschetti. That's the best title ever he wrote it he wrote it this is awesome that's wild that's and it's all in capital letters to plo easy which is he was like really means that a lot that's hardcore

so july 13th So July 13th, July 13th, 94, Leroy's arrested for failure to pay child support. Right. He didn't get five grand? No. Yeah, exactly. So that day, his daughter Janelle just gives the letters to the police rather than holding them till his death. She didn't hold them for 10 fucking minutes. She gave them right over.

And she confirmed that her father also told her about the murder of fred brown and that he did it for her aunt pat and uh yeah here we go there's the whole thing on a platter so the detectives talk with him he gives statements about the murder um you know his sons also confirmed yes he did tell us about the murder it was done to receive money insurance money the whole plot here um yeah they also pat and uh fred's tax returns from 84 to 90 show they were having financial problems and all this type of shit um so they said you know this is a mess obviously he tries to fight extradition from pennsylvania by the way which is funny. Sheila and Leroy plead guilty. They're fucked.

I mean, he's got letters saying he did it, and his kids say it. So he confesses. He is sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off, second-degree murder. He gets life without parole and 15 years each for armed robbery and conspiracy to commit murder. Holy shit. He got a lot. Yeah. Life plus 30 years is what he got pleading guilty there. But

Sheila's not going to be too much. Now the kids said they didn't even know if it was true because their father's a braggart and he does shit to feel big. They said. So Sheila on the other hand, she pleads guilty and she is sentenced to you ma'am they fuck off 50 years in prison just conspiracy just uh no but she just gets a

lighter sentence because she didn't do the paying didn't get the benefit and she didn't do the killing so she wasn't even there right yeah she wasn't even there um she told the jurors later on that uh she said they argued a lot and they were unhappy i asked why she didn't leave him and she said she would get nothing if she left him because the children are older now so you know what's she gonna get she said she wanted fred killed she was angry because leroy hadn't done it the first time um sheila also said that she was constantly trying to rush leroy into doing it like has he killed my husband yet jesus christ pat and i would talk on the telephone quite often she asked me if he was going to do it and that she wanted it done and leroy said he would do it when the time was

right so it kept happening a county jail inmate also here's a bit from Pat here. One night, this is a Sarah Ann Amos. One night it was popcorn night in the county jail, which is when the female inmates are allowed to watch television and eat popcorn. They do each other's nails. It's really just a real fun time. You know, somebody will bring in like, you know, lotions. There's another one of those ladies that has like multi-level marketing dildo business. It's just a lot of fun.

So this woman said it was about TV time and I asked her what she got charged with. And she said she was charged with her husband's death and they had no evidence. I told her she should have a family member call the governor's office and do something about it if they had no evidence. And she said she didn't have anything to do with it but then later on she had this woman talk to leroy through the jail vents what they're talking through the vents all the time through the toilets this is through the vents to tell him that he should since he already pled guilty he should just say yeah just say i didn't have anything to do with it and what the fuck here. You know what I mean? So now Amos, later on, they said you're only saying this because she apparently had a possible 70-year prison sentence lined up before her and received probation for seven felonies after giving the information about Pat. But another inmate also testified that he helped the other side of that conversation.

He helped Leroy talk to them. Yeah. So it ended up being sort of true. They called Pat's trial OJ East. Oh, because it was this, it was going on at the same time. OJ's trial was going on.

And if you look up Fred Brown murder, you get Nicole Brown, Fred Goldman. That's all the newspaper hits. You get a Brown in there. Yeah. It's really fucking annoying. They bring in mom they bring in sheila and pat's mom she said yes they told me about it everybody like it's there's a lot of witnesses here friends say they suspected pat the whole time all this shit man it's it's a lot it's a lot it was her she teaches a bird's weird weird words yeah

that's i mean look at that look at her bird all these good things about fred he was a role model he's this he a kind-hearted gentle um a good christian man all these wonderful quotes i think it did kill her dad i think mom holds the information to him and he probably yeah oh my god all these people killed this nice man this is crazy so the prosecutor in the closing said she was grieving and um you know she she acted like she was grieving and she wasn't grieving and she's cold-blooded and she's talking about you know life insurance uh let's see seven men and five women in the jury or i'm sorry seven women five men they listened to everything deliberate for two days took three votes wow at first it was seven guilty two not guilty three undecided

and then it went finally the second vote it was 11 guilty one not guilty and then five a few couple hours later they said yeah sure guilty she is found guilty here she faces life in prison plus 60 years she is a diabetic with a history of heart attacks and she said she was worried her legs would be amputated in jail because they would start swelling and she's yeah not at all she said if i die i don't receive the i may die if i don't receive the appropriate care that's her thing she sends a a letter to her sister hands it to her as she leaves court saying steffy take care of my children always you must now become their mother also protect them for me no i love you please don't let mom hurt them anymore please protect them always and keep them forever so there's that um sentencing comes around 30 minutes of deliberating for this yeah and uh yeah she is

found it's first degree murder so it is a single concurrent term of 30 years life imprisonment for the convictions of solicitation and uh conspiracy and life in prison for the murder so fuck she'll she'll be eligible for parole in 20 years though it's not without parole yeah one of her oh my god here is a uh a jury a juror here afterwards when they asked him quote i think she realized her husband was tight with money and she wasn't getting any more than what she had already got and she figured life was short and she thought she could go out with a bang she just loved money so much that she didn't want to pay the murderer. And her eyes, they were all pupils, all black.

She's a shark. Another juror said, look at the telephone records. They had a lot of stuff. That was what they said. January 2001, Sheila is released out on parole. Ten years she did. That's it. on parole. Ten years she did. That's it. Not even.

Five years she did. Five years. January 2002, Pat dies in prison at 53. 53 years old. 53. Holy shit. She's a twat. She deserved that.

She didn't get shit. Nope. She got nothing. Not even birds. 2011, Sheila is off parole she's good october 2022 leroy here who's serving life without north carolina abolished for parole for crimes like this in october of 1994 but the crime happened in 91 the sentencing happened after that so instead they're going to chop that down december 31st 2022 leroy is released from prison he's out there on new year's eve new year new me new year new me 79 year old leroy and that is high point north carolina everybody

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