Small Town Murder - #369 - Blood On The Corn - Logan, Ohio

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

This week, in Logan, Ohio, we take our 2nd trip to this town, because we found another insane murder! Two local young people, looking forward to marriage, walk off, and end up missing. When they're found, it horrifies even the most hardened detectives. Body parts, scattered around a cornfield, with horrible mutilations to both victims. A perverted stepfather is put on death row, and looks very guilty, but is it possible that someone even worse was out there that night? Twisted, right up to the end!!Along the way, we find out that Sasquatch may prefer the midwest, that even if someone is the worst kind of pervert imaginable, you still need evidence in court, and that just when you think you've found the worst person around, there may be someone much worse, lurking in the corn stalks!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So we had a slight delay in the new show, but it is coming out. We cannot wait. Your stupid opinions. Keep your eyes out. Should be out in the next month, month and a half. Something like that. We'll give you an exact date as we get a little bit closer. It's our new show where we talk about people's dumb reviews of everything on the

play. Everything that can be reviewed. We'll talk about. It's a lot of fun because people who the reviews say way more about the reviewer than the thing they're reviewing right so we will talk about all that quick disclaimer it's a comedy show everybody we are comedians this is a comedy show also there is going to be horrible murder but the way we do it is we do it tastefully like like like you know 70s pornography how they would pitch it to people. Tastefully, damn it. We do it tastefully. Now, honestly, we don't make fun of the victim or the victim's family.

Why, Jay? Because, you know, we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. And that's how that works. So if that sounds good to you, then good God, get on board. We're going to have a crazy time. If you think true crime and comedy should never go together, maybe we're not going to be friends. Maybe we will, though. You never know. You don't know. Sometimes you like people you think true crime and comedy should never go together maybe we're not going to be friends maybe we will though you never know you don't know sometimes you like people you think you're going to hate so there you go we are we are or mold either one we're like either one of

those but i think it's time either way uh to clear the air a little bit here clear your lungs out especially where are you right now where are? I want to hear where you are. Let's say you're the head chef in a busy kitchen. A server just came up, asked to fire table 43. You throw his little receipt thing out of the window. You grab him by his collar and you say, Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy, shall we? Let's go on a trip.

I cannot wait. We're going somewhere we've been before. We've only done this one other time. That was to Anniston, Alabama. And that was mainly on spite because somebody in their paper there chose to write a real nasty negative article so he said oh okay you want more so do it again luckily luckily they've shut up but this is not a we don't have a vendetta or anything against logan ohio just happens to be they have two crazy crazy murders that happen there at different times so this is not that murder it's not like oh did

they make a mistake are they doing the same one again no uh logan ohio it's in southeastern ohio about 50 minutes to columbus so down in that area uh almost three hours to cleveland about two and a half hours to shawnee township which was our last episode that was grumpy violent old men which was a hilarious episode by by the way. Those two old guys fighting all the time. This is in Hocking County, area code 740. They don't really have a motto here from what I can find. No? No, they're just, we're Logan. We're going to be on Small Town Murder twice.

That's their logo. That's their motto. Twice on Small Town Murder, everybody. Not a lot of people, an awful lot of murder. That's the one I'm giving them here. So I'll go, since we've done this town murder, everybody. Not a lot of people, an awful lot of murder. That's the one I'm giving them here. So I'll go. Since we've done this town before, we found a different thing to do and throw some reviews in there. But otherwise, I'm not going to do too much on the history of it because we already talked about the history of it.

So matter of fact, let's go right to the reviews because we have a lot of show. Oh, right. We already know that it's named after Wolverine. Yeah, exactly. It's from 2019, the Logan. If you're really interested in the Logan, Ohio history, go back and listen to the 2019 episode. So that's fucking four years ago it was.

I think it was February 2019. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's four years ago. It doesn't seem like a lot, but it's an awful long time. So reviews of this town. Let's find out what people think of it. And once again, not our reviews. We've never been to Logan, so we have no goddamn idea.

It's what other people are saying. Here's five stars. I'm from Logan, okay? And I think it's a great place to live if you like to live if like exercise. I think if you like is what they're trying to say. like exercise i think if you like is what they're trying to say if like exercise and outdoors if that's if that sounds like you the hocking hills is right for you i hope we get more tourists also i don't also don't forget to visit frozen yogurt okay not to eat it just you gotta go pay your respects it's like so you go to like a mob town back in the day i go pay your respects. It's like you go to a mob town back in the day. You got to go pay your respects to the Don.

You go kiss the frozen yogurt's ring and you leave. Pop into the fro-yo and do the sign of the cross and be on your way. Pow, pow, pow, pow. They got the holy fro-yo, too. You got to sprinkle on your baby's forehead. Holy melted fro-yo. Run some banana TCBY down your face. Here is some wild berry surprise there we go excellent

that's what they're always called shit like that i don't know so um there's no punctuation by the way anywhere in that review not a single speck of it not a period not a comma nothing uh here is four stars i like the community and how helpful all the citizens are. All of them, apparently. Yeah, that's great. The people, every one of them, the people of the town respect the community and continuously offer help for those in need. That's nice. The town comes together to help create a great environment for all ages, from helping build a new pool to donating money to be a field house open to the public everybody's got to build the pool grab a shovel i was gonna say usually you gotta know how to do that that's not a i don't want just like random ass citizens building a pool i'm gonna go jump in it seems like you should probably know how to build a pool right you got

an eight-year-old out there doing rebar? There's electricity in there and shit. Yeah. I feel like you definitely need to know how that works. You got to make that shit waterproof. When you're mixing electricity and water, you should probably get someone who knows what they're doing is what I'm getting at. While I love the community spirit of all coming together to build the pool, let really like to be water sealed that would be terrific yeah that's why i don't explode like our patreon with the theme parks so uh logan is a beautiful

community that has nice restaurants and several outs outside i guess outside not outdoor activities i wanted to say outdoor because that's what it would make sense as that's the word my mouth My mouth tried to take it there, but it's outside activities for visitors or people in the community to do. So it's not just locals are banned from here. This is visitors only. Visitors and locals are allowed to do the same things. That's nice. Logan is also the hometown of the Hocking Hills and the members of the community are very open to helping tourists have the best experience while visiting the amazing features of Old Man's Cave and all the other amazing sites. Old Man's Cave. An old man probably. Old man six pack of beer. Some hungry man dinners maybe. Salisbury steak. Overall I think Logan is a very nice town with several great characteristics.

Okay, that's four stars. Okay, yeah. They're getting worse here. Three stars. As a student at the high school in Logan, oh boy, here we go. Let's see what the kids think. Everyday life can be boring if you don't have a job or sports and if you don't do sports then eight out of ten times you do drugs and drink illegally eight out of ten if you don't do sports it's either sports or drugs there's only

80 percent of the time if you don't do sports you will be doing drugs they don't have video games you want to do something yeah what about the nerds nerds have other shit to do don't they like sports or drugs when i was in school nerds didn't need sports or drugs there was like you know that was the point that's why they were a nerd they didn't do drugs or play sports that makes you a nerd i guess in 1993 you know i'd like to know who influenced that child to use that eight out of ten eight out of ten times you do drugs and drink illegally during the summer especially if you drive down back roads roads you'll see bonfire parties full of teens doing way too many things they shouldn't a lot of teens down of them that's why yeah eight out of the

ten the other two are driving by watching that's the other two they pass each other on the road and just shake their heads going jesus there they are a lot of teens down here in list just to get the fuck out of here and that's my current plan so that's what he's talking about. Yeah. GTFO. I think that'd be the first time we've seen somebody swear in this. Well, he's a GTFO. Still, it's swearing, right? Yeah. It's a kid. Yeah.

If you don't know from another country, enlist means they're signing up for the military to get out of a town. Yeah. Which was common back in the day. Now there's more mobility around, but I don't know. So two stars. Logan, Ohio is not a very good town. That's the opener. That's it.

That's nice. No, there's more. I've grown up living in this town all my life, and it has never really been good. Wow. That's interesting. There's a lot of drugs that are easily accessible to junior high and high school kids everyone knows everyone and there isn't much to do here all right well i didn't think there would be but two stars no matter who you are or how high

up on the food chain you are logan will swallow you whole and spit you out wet logan will turn you into a chunk of discarded red man that's what logan will turn you into spit you out wet like one of jimmy's little copenhagen packets that you chew on there that's what's gonna all nasty when you throw them out like jesus jimmy you look like you pull them out out of your insides and we're like here here's some brown chunks from inside my body at least it's in a pouch and not in my it's in a pouch it's not loose i like that that's good yeah that's helpful it's still gross it's yeah but it's there's less gross i'll give you that uh people in this town population 6,933. So not a huge town, as we've talked about before.

Way more females than males, like 56% female, which is crazy. The age, too, is weird. The median age is 36.4, which is about normal. But all the demographics, the older people, there's more of them than anybody. So it works out mathematically here. About an average number. It's 50-50 married, not married, single with more of them than anybody. So it works out mathematically here. About an average number. It's 50-50 married, not married, single with kids and all that stuff. Race of this town, 96.8% white.

Pretty white. 1.7% black. 0.2% Hispanic. There's a couple of black people and a bunch of white people. That's the town. Religion in this town, 25% are religious. And there is no dominant strain here. It's Ohio.

It's mixed up. There's a few Catholics, some Lutherans, Methodists mixed in there, Baptists. What there aren't, though, are any Jewish people, 0.0 in that one. But that does not happen. not happen uh in this county uh last election uh hocking county 28 of the people voted democratic 70.3 republican and 1.7 independent and the economy here median household income here is 35 184 which is 20 000 under the national average holy shit in that frozen ass state yeah that's rough and then uh it's southeast, though, so it gets hot there, too, and sticky in the summer. I guess it gets warm, yeah.

Yeah. It's just- It's still Ohio. It's just, yeah, Ohio is a rough weather state. It is cold in the winter. It's hot in the summer. It's sticky. It's windy.

It's a punishing weather state. There's natural disasters. You're going to pay for it. Yeah, fuck yeah. There's tornadoes out there, right? You get fucking nasty winter weather. It's brutal. It's a crazy place. Yeah, fuck yeah. There's tornadoes up there, right? You get fucking nasty winter weather. It's brutal. I don't know if it's just tornadoes.

Yeah, they get a lot. What you won't pay for it, though, is in the housing, because the housing is about half the rest of the country. It's a median home cost, $141,900. So it's about half. So that's not bad. So if we've convinced you, damn it, you need the weather and all the stuff that comes along with it. We have for you the Logan, Ohio real estate report. Your average two bedroom rental here goes for about $715.

So, whoa. That's 500 less than the national average. I found this house. This is two-bedroom, two-bath. Or two-bedroom, one-bath, I apologize. 1,037 square feet. It looks absolutely abandoned. I mean, this house looks like Charlie Bucket's house.

It's not good, man. This is... This is where a story with a golden ticket starts. It's... Yeah, right. Multi... Multi-generations of a family

sleeping on the floor together in front of a wood stove is what I see inside of this joint. Room for improvement, for sure. In every single aspect, including straight walls on the outside. The walls look like they're not straight, which is not helpful. $70,000 for this little gem, though.

So, I mean, there's that. Here is a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,900 square feet. It's a fancy log cabin, period. That's it. So if you want a fancy log cabin, I got a fancy log cabin for you here. It's doable. It's doable. $650,000 for that, though.

Holy shit. It's got some land, too, a couple acres. But still, that seems like a lot. That's a lot of money. Now, this house, wow, this is wild. Five bedrooms, seven baths, tea bowl for each and every b-hole here, guys. 10,583 square feet. It's super weird.

It's part log cabin, part mansion. Oh, boy. There's like a log cabin section of the mansion. I don't know what is going on. There's weird shit going on in the basement, like with strange colors on the walls that are going to take you months to paint over. Everybody has put their little spin on it that's owned it. It's so strange, this house. It looks like they just broke up houses and put them in a bag, and then you picked out parts.

And you were like, oh, we're going to put a log cabin on the west side there. But okay, and the guest quarters, great. That's what it is. $1,500,000 for this little mashup of shit. I mean, 10,500 square feet's a lot. So things to do here. Okay, tell me more. No, go ahead.

No, I guess if you do it by square footage costs this much per square foot, I understand that. But if you've got a lot of wrecking out to do, that's kind of great. That's what I mean. It's not terrific. I agree with you there 100%. So the things to do, and this is different than the one we did last time as well here. This is the Hocking Hills Bigfoot Festival. Come on down, everybody. Mark your calendars and bring the whole family to enjoy the weekend of August 5th and 6th in the Hocking Hills for a super fun, free, recreational, nature-savvy, Bigfoot-themed festival!

With exclamation points. I had to give it a proper due. Bigfoot-themed, but they're not claiming to hunt him, right? Well, let's find out what they're doing. That's not there, right there i think you definitely win a prize if you kill one probably i'm just gonna say uh from local vendors to national speakers what do you think those are people who travel around to talk about bigfoot boy uh art exhibits and even a squatch walk does that mean you have to slench like slunk over and fucking look like Sasquatch?

Yeah. This event has it all. Well, what else would you want besides local vendors, national Bigfoot speakers, art exhibits about Bigfoot, and a Squatch walk? That is it all. That's all of it, Jimmy. That's it. Located in the heart of Bigfoot country, Logan, Ohio. No, it's not.

Huh? Since when is that Bigfoot country? How dare you? No. it's not. Huh? Since when is that Bigfoot country? How dare you? No. That's not. No. I always hear Northwest. I never hear.

Yeah. You know, Ohio has a large number of Bigfoot. PNW's got this shit cornered, babe. You guys got to stop this. Yeah, this is. You are. Pick a different brand. I don't know.

Pick something. Grow something there. Make corn your thing. i don't know pick something grow something there make corn your thing i don't know uh enjoy both local and national speakers as they discuss the bigfoot phenomena proceeds from this event go toward the logan theater restoration project and the hocking hills children's museum events that day uh there's vendor speakers 10 to 4 p.m is the squatch and find oh so 10 to 4 we've been looking for no one can find it six hours we're gonna get it in this four hours six hour window six i guess i mean now but you have six hours so get in there and one p.m is the squatch walk and then 3 p.m. is the Howling Contest. Oh.

Because we know Bigfoot howls somehow for some reason. I don't know how that works. I don't get that at all. There's an award show at the end of this. Oh. There's an award show at the end of the whole thing, which is hilarious. What are you going to get? Hilarious.

And then live music to be presented by Sandy Ogle. So there's her. We got that. And then, by the way, your speaker lineup. Want to hear who's speaking, everybody? Can't wait. B. Mills will be there. B-E-A, like B. Arthur.

B. Mills. Mick Rohr will be there. R-O-H-R.h-r yeah roar that's funny uh adam davies will be speaking these are hour and a half slots by the way we're talking holy shit we're talking like a full comedy set plus but with no jokes except that they're talking about sasquatch which is funny and they're supposed to not step on each other's material with how long can you talk about fucking squatch without saying something somebody else is gonna say that's what i'm saying it's the same they should all do it together a panel um there's a couple coming on also jeanette

and pat quackenbush so you know those who swatch together stay together as we all know. Doug Waller will be there. Jeff Carpenter, Eric Altman, Susan Ferencak. Yeah. Yeah, that's the ones, everybody. So get on down there. Not a famous one amongst them. It's hard to be a famous Bigfoot person unless you capture a Bigfoot and bring him somewhere in chains. You'll be famous then.

The most famous one is probably the guy from Harry and the Hendersons, the bad guy, right? That little bald guy. I think, yeah, yeah. He's probably the most famous squatcher going probably. I'm going to say. So crime rate in this town, what we're interested in property crime is actually high in this little town really about one-third over the national average so i don't know what the hell's going on here but then violent crime seems like well not dangerous because violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is just under the

national average so what are you gonna do here i don't know it's a it's uh just they'll rob you but won't won't just just stealing mom so that said put it back let's i'll put it back you have it i'll pay for it yeah let's talk about a murder shall we let's do that yeah whoa this is a lot of crazy and like i said before i understand we said it at the top but in case you skip to the whatever uh you need to listen all the way through to the end of this because you're going to leave a lot on the table if you don't. Because holy ballsack is this crazy. All right. Let's talk about some people, shall we?

Okay. Some Logan people. Let's talk about a young lady first of all here. Let's talk about Annette. Okay. Double N, double T, Annette. Yeah. Annette Cooper Johnston with a t Johnston

she's 18 years old and she is she was a Miss Parade of the Hills semi-finalist so she's a pretty girl yeah I guess I don't know I suppose I don't know what your qualifications would have to be to be a finalist in the Parade of the Hills. Which sounds like a fucking horror movie title. Absolute Parade of the Hills. And there's a big, oh, they're coming and their ears are hanging off from leprosy. Like they got down in the mines and they're coming to give it to you. What year is it that she's 18?

Zombie lepers. Well, we'll get to that. It's 1982 here. That's'll get to that it's 1982 here so that's what we that's our setting here is 1982 now annette smart uh annette is uh very ambitious she's uh considered a very nice girl very good in school very perky and upbeat and also quite promiscuous as well. All right. She puts, she puts together a lot of very disparate things like the, the,

like the overachiever, like, you know, very nerdy type of girl. It's very happy and perky is not often the promiscuous one in high school. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

It's different, but we'll find out what happened with her. Uh, but, uh, her, her parents said they just assumed that Annette was having sex with most of the young men that she hung out with, and they would argue about her with her boyfriends and that kind of thing. But she always wants a real boyfriend is the thing, and she kind of just hangs out with people. So she's known as a perfectionist in school, though.

She's taken college-level courses in her senior year. She's done with all her high school stuff already. After one year at Hocking Tech Junior College, she was going to go to Ohio State University, is her plan here, to study computer science. She liked to code and write programs. So in 1982, there was not a lot of people doing that. Yeah, that was a very, that's a very specific nerdy thing in 1980. Like think about Stranger Things. Like they were like into computers a little bit and they were the nerdiest kids in town

and they were a little bit into computers in 84. They were coding in 82. They're, you know smart so she liked to do that she liked to try to solve problems and do that sort of thing um she grades never good enough for her parents don't ever have to tell her to get better grades she freaks out if she doesn't get perfect grades so that's not even a thing um every her mother and her everybody remembered one time she got a 98 on a test that she felt she should have got 100 on and burst into tears and ran out of the room holy shit for a 98 meanwhile me and you if we got you know an 88 and an 86 we'd be high- bro. I don't think I got a 98 on anything ever.

Yeah, it was smart to cheat off each other. Awesome, that's what we'd say. I tried to look at that Indian girl's paper, but she kept putting her arm over it, man. Covering it up. Yeah, because that was my high school experience. Yeah, I had a little nerd that uh is very the kid's very successful today uh he's a lawyer that's who i used to cheat off of and uh he's doing great and

i'm not still um her uh her girlfriends all would say about annette that they didn't really see her wild side or anything like that. She only would be a little bit wild if she was with a guy that she liked. That was it. Otherwise, she was just kind of a really studious school student and that sort of thing. A friend of hers named Sunny Wassom Squires. Jesus Christ. Wassom.

Wassom Squires. That's a friend of his of hers here of hers yeah she was Sonny's a girl

by the way Sonny Wassum Squires Sonny Wassum was engaged to a guy named Todd who then started to date Annette

after they broke up oh shit Todd's 19 by the way they're all 18 19 years old. But there's engagements and breaking off of engagements. That's not great.

Welcome to small town USA. This is great. Yeah, well, yeah, just welcome to 1982 also where people were trying to get married early. Now, this young lady, Sunny, says that Annette never did drugs or anything like that. That wasn't her thing. She wasn't wild at all.

She actually remembered that Annette and Sonny together had reported to both school and police authorities people they suspected of bringing drugs into the school. What? Annette snitches? That would have got you so stabbed in the face in my school and fuck it like you would have been killed that's incredible kids wow that's wow yeah but no one would probably suspect these like a couple of yeah you know girls like that so that's wild so yeah she would she would tell of the the teachers I don't know what drugs are talking about but um another girlfriend of hers uh Becky who um you know was pretty close to her she said

that annette really liked this todd guy we'll talk about todd in a second she said that todd was what she called the first real boyfriend she ever had oh and uh they said though here in in 1982 coming towards september october her friend started to notice that she kind of had some changes in the last month a little bit. Physically, she stopped coloring her hair. I guess she always dyed her hair blonde. She's a blonde. And they said she stopped coloring her hair. They said that she would.

She used to always be very meticulously dressed. They said now she would be like dress sloppy, not wearing makeup with her roots grown out. Yeah, fine. But they're like, that's not Annette. That's weird. What's up with Annette? She doesn't look like Annette.

Which, I mean, she's 18 too. People change and figure stuff out. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion

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Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. But they said, this friend said that Annette seemed troubled when she saw her one day. Annette had talked to her about going to pot parties, quote unquote. Ooh, a pot party, oh no. And how she was, she apparently, during one of these pot parties, some kids got in an argument and the cops had to come and there was a bunch of stuff.

And she's saying she didn't like the chaos of it all, but she does like her fiance, Todd Schultz, who apparently loves a good pot party. Can't get enough of it. Pot party. What are they going to do? Play that jazz music over there? That's stupid. They're going to be playing jazz music, and I swear to God, they'll be, oh, no. Everybody just staring at blacklight posters.

It's boring. They're going to be race mixing over there. I know it. Race mixing and dancing. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. It's no good. Sounds like it's the fucking, again, the 40s is what it sounds like so her fiance here is there they quickly become engaged here todd

oh yeah so she annette has a fiance now named todd schultz he is 19 years old so an age appropriate fiance anyway thankfully on our show that's something to give a hats off to because... If there was applause on this show, we'd be playing it. Yeah, he could be 48 years old. We don't know. He could be 55 years old on this show. It doesn't matter. Now, Todd was considered very square, Todd.

Everybody says he's very square. That's always the fucking description of him is he's just kind of a square. But he also, and this is disputed by his family, but not by everybody that knows him, that Todd liked to smoke weed a little bit too. Which you can be square and like to smoke weed. It doesn't mean, yeah, you don't have to. Like I said, this is the 80s. You weren't like a jazz musician if you smoked weed in the 80s you just a normal kid wanting to hang out maybe it opened up his mind for coding i don't know who cares it doesn't matter

so todd the thing that really amazed todd from what i understand here is that Todd thought it was so strange that when he went to Annette's house, they had a, they had a, Oh boy. There's a property there, a big property. They have a pond in the farm there that they swim in the whole family and the whole family skinny dips together. What we're talking,

um, her mom, Sandy, um, her stepdad, Dale, who we'll talk about uh her younger sister who's like 16 17 or 15 16 at the time and then they're all just they all skinny dip there you can just oh that's so weird let's watch stepdad's balls flopping around as he jumps in the fucking part

oh jesus i mean that's not cool that's not the part that's i mean the whole thing's the part. Oh, Jesus. That's not cool. That's not the part. I mean, the whole thing's the part. The whole thing is the part, yeah. It's all the part. It's not good. But stepdad makes it so much creepier, right? That's creepier. I don't know what chicks do. So if two teenage girls want to go skinny dipping with their mom and they tell me that's normal, great.

I don't know. I honestly have no idea. It's hard to argue with them. Women pee together. I don't know what the fuck they're doing do you know what they're doing when i go when you go take a dump when we're off on the road you never go james come with me i'm gonna go take a dump stand with me and talk to me you never say that so i don't know lean against the wall and tell me about your marital problems it helps ease my bowels to hear about your marital problems while I get rid of this. It helps ease my bowels to hear about your marital issues.

It's so bizarre what girls do. I don't know what they're doing. So if you told me that's normal, yes, skinny dip with my mom all the time when I was 18, I'd go, great. I don't know. That's fine. But I do know, as a grown man if my 18 and 16 year old stepdaughters were there with their tits out i certainly wouldn't be there and neither would my ball sack they'd both be put away in the house somewhere me and my ball sack i might not be on the property

fuck i don't want to be near this i don't even want to just be in my room on the off chance that somebody says that put your covers over your head yeah covers over your head is what you guys i don't want to be on this problem i'm gonna go see a movie you guys see if you can get done with this in the next hour and a half going to town yeah wow so that's not the only weird thing that goes on there but apparently there's there's a lot of strife at the at annette's house about certain issues and a lot of them are weird and strange and we'll get into everything but dale caught todd and annette changing into his bathing suits in the same room.

They were changing, so they were getting nude together here. And apparently a big fight blew up. And from this, this is the last. This is a straw kind of a thing that broke the camel's back. But there's a much deeper root to this. It's like a tooth. It's all the way down to the jawbone. It's way more than you think. a fight started and annette ends up

leaving the household here leaving this this household the johnston house and moving in with todd and his family the schultzes she it was such a big fight she moved out she moved out i mean she is 18 so i mean at 18 you at 18 you're kind of feeling sometimes feeling your oats as far as like if I have somewhere else I can go. That's the first time in forever. Someone goes, well, if it's under my roof and you don't like it and you go, you know what? I don't like it. And you fucking leave. That's the first time you can do that.

And you have somewhere to go. It's just a power play. You've been you've been dreaming about since you were four. You know, you've been really looking for it. It's like having a bad job and really looking forward to the day you can tell your boss to go fuck himself. But this is worse.

Fuck you. You're cool. This is worse because this is going to make Thanksgiving fucked up. Yeah, this is going to be a mess. This is going to be a mess. So now Todd, by the way, his ex-fiance, there called him uh said that he's a young man with old-fashioned morals whatever that means i don't know what that means

no fucking till we're married no no no no no no no they're fucking like crazy all over the place they have like a special fuck spot they go to and everything else they're very normal when it comes to that like libido wise or nothing he's just a nice kid uh they say though he did become more and more possessive of annette over the course of the relationship maybe because her stepdad's balls were around out of her and around her and she was a little creeped out and um but uh uh one one of her friends said he was he's a wonderful thoughtful boy he'd come around and talk with us he'd open car doors for you things like that that kind of thing got it kind of an old-fashioned gentleman type guy here yeah yeah yeah you pull a cigarette out he's got a lighter ready to go yeah little cough he's fucking altoid he's right there ludens so um uh yeah they remember also

his mom says he was also content to stay home there's three younger kids in the house too there's four kids that the schultzes have and he would work on his pride and joy a car that he's restored and made beautiful here uh in 1984 82 82 yeah he's got a 67 pontiac lamans baby oh yeah 67 yeah yeah it's kick-ass he called it the chief and he called it rosemary depending on his mood so yeah um he like i said everybody said that he smoked a little weed here and there and stuff like that um um yeah his mom would say later that he didn't run around with the bad kids she said quote he didn't run around with the bad kids. She said, quote, he didn't run around with them, but he treated them with respect. Okay.

So that's what she said. But I mean, in a small town, it's one of those deals that kind of, everybody kind of hangs out with everybody. And whoever smokes weed just hangs out with people who smoke weed. That becomes like your thing in common. So, you know, it's not that bad. that bad there's nothing wrong with that it's fine so after annette moved into the household here uh the family the schultz family is on welfare and they found out i guess the dad's not around or something here so they i guess it was found out that annette had moved in the welfare office found out about it and they are their benefits were recalculated, and their food stamp allotment was cut to $16 because they had another adult in the house.

$16? Monthly. Monthly. Oh, my God. So that's like, why even be on it at that point? You're cut so low. Yeah.

That's, come on, kids, let's go to McDonald's for our monthly food stamp fucking. One day. She had, yeah, I guess when Miss Schultz, they had been recently divorced

and she had three younger children and then Todd is in the house now so he's considered an adult and his mom said, I had four of my own plus a net. I wanted them to move out before they got married

so that she could get more benefits for the kids. So they lived in a trailer, by the way, here. Or I'm sorry, that's John. She moved out. Annette wasn't a trailer. And then they moved in with she moved in with the Schultzes. So left at the trailer is is her stepdad, Dale Johnston. Dale and johnston he's 48 years old with his

yeah with his fucking floppy nut sack jumping in a pond and she also has a um a sister named michelle and um they have a mom named sarah sarah is their mom dale is both the girl's stepdads. So Dale had lived near Xenia, I guess. Z-E-N-I-A, Ohio. Xenia, I'm going to say. Xenia, Ohio from 57 to 76. And then they moved here and he got married to Sarah. And then he got upset that his 18-year-old stepdaughter got dressed into her, got naked to get dressed, obviously, in a trailer. We're all

we're all together in this uh why are you so mad how about also she was looking at your old nutsack fucking just 10 minutes ago in the in the farm pond now she can't at least this kid's disgusting so it's weird sandra is uh sandra is todd's mom, and she apparently says, Sandra will tell later on, tell everybody that Annette told her that Dale Johnston, her stepfather, had raped her when she was 10 years old. Oh, God. And that a few weeks before she left the house, or a couple months before she left the house that he had quote masturbated in front of her. Jesus. Yes. Bizarre move.

That's a really strange thing. I don't understand that. I never understand why guys want people to watch them jerk off. Watch me. No. No. I don't want to. What is this?

This is gross. No. No. I don't think so. So yeah. Todd. Todd is having some problems too he's kind of floating he's 19 he's trying to figure it out he's going to get married he's living in a trailer on food stamps he had a job at a print shop but he lost his job because he suffered a hernia so he couldn't do it anymore he had to lift stuff and he couldn't do it anymore. He had to lift stuff and he couldn't do it. And then he lost his workers' compensation claim.

What? Yeah. How do you lose that when you got a hernia? I don't know. I'm not sure. What a bastard. That sucks. And he also is having a hard time because Annette is – he wants to keep Annette here.

He wants to live with Annette, but she can't really stay in the trailer because of the food stamp issue. And they can't go back to her house because Todd can't go there. And then God knows what she's going to do or what's going to happen to her. So Todd had threatened to kill himself if Annette left him recently, which is strange. This is out of control. I guess he wanted to get an apartment for him and Annette and he was trying to get some cash this in October here. He tried to do that. He went and talked to his father, Don. He said, can you help me? And Don said, I can't really help you.

You know, sorry about that. He went to a next door neighbor, was looking for jobs. Anybody have any work for him, things like that. He was trying to – he talked to a next-door neighbor attorney of his, and I guess Annette had a car, but her family is keeping it because she left. So he's talking to the lawyer, seeing if there's a way that they can legally get Annette this car. But the problem is her mother can either drive Annette's car or a rusted out Pinto that she has, which is clearly unsafe. So that's not great here. Also, Dale started, I guess, they wanted to get this car because Dale had soon expected to get royalty checks from leasing some of his land to a strip mine operator so like dale's gonna have money so you should be able to get your car so he was trying

to he wanted to get the car so he could sell it get a thousand dollars get an apartment that was the that was the plan here we want the car not to drive it but to sell it yes we got to sell because he has a lamon so he's like we have my car that's fine we'll get your car sell it we'll move into a place weird thing is annette had more over two thousand dollars in her savings account but never said anything about it so that's interesting she could have got it like that literally a thousand dollars can change our lives she has two of those and yeah okay so we don't know if maybe she wasn't as hot on the idea of getting a place as he was and she was just humoring him or if she just was saving it for a rainy day. Who knows? So she she they have to move out soon. There's no doubt about that. That that has to happen. And Annette is tired of the whole thing. And that doesn't want to be go back and forth. She doesn't want to be unstable. She's kind of tired of the town. She wants to go to Ohio State, get the fuck out of here, go to Columbus, do something with herself here. So October 4th, 1982, Annette gets an A in her computer programming class at Hockney Technical College.

And she's good at it. Jesus. She's good at it yeah um so she said she has a she's telling everybody and her teachers are telling her she's got a very good chance of getting into ohio state next year her grades are good um so yeah she gets home to the schultz trailer here and things are not as great she's fighting with todd um todd was whining about you know well let's get married and let's do this type of shit and, you know,

give me, you should get the car. He starts with the whole thing. We got to move out and let's get a car. Oh, boy. And everything like that. So, Annette ends up walking out of the house. She walks out of the house and the mom overhears them arguing

and, you know know it's it's that's what they do sometimes kids argue she's walking out on the on the fight not leaving like i'm you know taking all my stuff and leaving but i'm walking out of this out of this thing here so uh todd she found todd had run upstairs so the mom came in and said hey todd annette just took off out of the door in case you're interested so todd runs out goes after annette she's about two blocks away when he gets out of the house catches up to her and um there's a couple of residents here of that street clara anderson and a guy named george groves and they're sitting on the front porch of Clara's house near the intersection, and they watched the couple talk for about 10 minutes.

And Clara later said, quote, they had a little lover's quarrel, I suppose. So it looked like they were arguing. But she said that it looked like that the fight ended and they made up during this conversation. Yeah. It became the full circle. By the end of it, they make up at some and during this conversation yeah it came the full circle by the end of it there they make up with each other she said they they took each other by the hand and started walking off together holding their hands together so adorable fixed yeah you have

arguments when you're 19 and 8 that's why you're not supposed to be in that deep of a relationship when you're that age because right there shouldn't be financial giant decisions of fighting over selling a vehicle to benefit our lives you're too young for this shit it's pretty cool though that they figured out how to like you know have their problems resolved amongst each other that's nice so i you know todd puts his armor puts his arm around her they're walking away everything's looking fine here um so everything looked fine todd waved uh to his mom who was back a couple blocks away he's like he was walking he was like i see you later she had come out now um they were next seen a few a few blocks down on gallagher near the intersection with mother well street they walked past a pickup by the way there's a book that

had some of this detail it comes from that i'm going to give you at the end of this as well uh it's a pretty pretty decent read um so they walked past a pickup truck that was at a stop sign there's a driver named melody morehouse who knows them and uh she said that she knows what time it was specifically because it was not long after the end of general hospital which is her fucking jam so yeah that was a nice time to be about live when you as an investigator you can piece a whole bunch of shit together based on what you were watching what were you watching oh well that's on at 3 30 that's obviously yeah you really could now it's on now it's like what were you watching season three of cheers okay well either it's 1984 or i time. What were you watching? Season three of Cheers. Okay, well, either it's 1984,

or I have no idea when you were watching that. Never mind. So, yeah, so this would have been about 4.30, this Melody woman said. She said that she was sure because she watched her favorite soap opera, then her and her two friends went out on a cigarette run. You get some, you know, it's like post-sex it's a it's a

post-coital experience when you're done with general hospital you got to take a puff that's how it works gh will make you uh want some mores yeah so melody beeped at the kids and annette turned and waved and then melody saw them walking down another way here, down into the direction of the home tavern, and that's where the city streets ended. Past the tavern is woods and shit like that, more rural stuff out there. There's also the Hocking River, which goes along a cornfield. The cornfield is also where a lot of kind of transient people sleep and hang out. That's where we'll fuck off, yeah. Yeah, it's a kid's party.

People sleep there. You know, it's that sort of thing. Now, a guy named Charles Blosser, who sleeps there, I assume a homeless gentleman here, he saw them, he saw the two of these. Well, they fit the description. A woman who had dark hair, dyed blonde, and a man had long spindly legs. And that describes Todd and Annette. He saw them having sex in a secluded spot on the banks of the river that day. So, yeah, he saw that.

So they did that. He saw the whole thing. He did not leave. He didn't glance. He sat there and was like, well, I'm going to be whacking it. Yep, that's right. So they ended up, when they were done, they continued walking on the railroad tracks, the C&O railroad tracks, toward West Logan. And a guy named Scott Cawthon sees them leave the tracks and go down a driveway leading

into West Logan. There, they stopped at a garage sale, Todd and Annette. Stop at a garage sale. They look around. They put down a $5 deposit on a coffee table to hold it, their first piece of furniture. So somehow in this 10 minute argument then a fuck session they have healed all wounds and are now in agreement that they're moving in together enough to where they're buying coffee tables so let's go fucking furniture shopping that's right solved

then about a half hour later at 5 45 p.m which is you know ballpark a guy named charles bartow who's a part-time security guide at armco steel company in the logan industrial district he heard a noise coming from the direction of the cornfield the noise was three gunshots followed by a followed by a brief pause then four or five more gunshots holy and he said he knew it was 545 because he was required to shut and lock the large doors of the warehouse and he was sure that he was on time that day and also positive that the shots were fired by a 22 so if you're a hunter you know the sounds of rifles in the distance you'll go oh that's a 308 right there you know exactly what shit is so and a 22 is so fucking distinct that pop it's well it's got that that firecracker sound to it that yeah it's a that crackle in the air for a long time boom

yep nope yeah it's it's yeah total crackle thing so if you don't if you're not familiar with weapons a lot of people think 22s are firecrackers when they hear them that's that happens all the time thought i heard firecrackers yeah but hunters them. That happens all the time. Thought I heard firecrackers. But hunters, they know the difference. Now there's a drive-through window of the McDonald's on Hunter Street. It was a few yards away from the

cornfield next to the river. There's a Rebecca Troops and Mary Cullison were stopped there at about 545 yelling the rotter out into the box, into the McDonald's drive-thru box. They heard shots coming from what they thought was the cornfield. Also, they thought that they were fired. They were.22 caliber shots also.

Everybody knows. Everybody knows. It's a rural place. I think a lot of people probably hunt here too. I mean, it's a small place in the hills. Yeah. So there's another woman here, Shirley Frazier, and she talks about all this stuff here. She witnessed something from the kitchen window of her mother's house on Homer Street, which ran parallel to the C&O Railroad tracks, which were about 20 yards away from the back doors of the homes that she was in.

So you can kind of set it up how it is. Now, her husband had come to her, actually soon to be ex-husband, had come to the post office where she worked and dumped the two kids off and just took off. So unless she was going to get them jobs at the post office, she had to figure out something to do with them. She brought them to her mom's house and yelling about her mother, about what a piece of shit her ex-husband was and blah, blah, blah. When she saw a young blonde woman and a thin brown haired young man on the tracks having

an animated discussion with a taller, older man wearing dark green coveralls and a hat of some kind don't like that scene that doesn't sound great yeah that's the older man she said that the older man seemed to be quote glowering at the couple so i guess trying to intimidate them of some kind he went down the railroad track embankment and into the cornfield, followed by the younger man. So I guess there's no forcing because Todd's behind him, according to this woman. The young woman seemed to become angry, is what this witness said, and she walked down the embankment after them, after a second. She was like, fine, I'll go too. Minutes later, this woman was Shirley Fraser, was outside loading her kids into the car when she

heard three gunshots she believes from a 22 wow and she heard a female voice yell out quote oh my god you shot him then several more shots and then silence

she said moments later the man in the coveralls came up to the tracks from the cornfield side he looked around and then looked straight at her this woman shirley she got in her car and quickly drove off she said at the time she just downplayed it um she said that you know what oh my god horrifying thing i've ever heard oh my god you shot him that's what i'm saying yeah she just downplayed it like it's no big deal and then a guy came out of the out of the cornfield acting creepy and i just took my kids staring at me stared me down till i drove off so i figured it was no big deal she said the cops are here that seems suspicious she grew up in that house and she said it's totally normal to hear gunshots coming from

other side of the tracks because people do that over there they shoot but usually you don't hear oh my god you've shot him that's a different and more gunshots followed by silence silence so it gets weirder down the block a little bit on homer street still janice moyer a woman she was up late she was in the back upstairs of bedroom here um she had a uh her baby was crying and uh she just took in a foster child that's crying so she's looking out the window has a clear view of the access road that crosses the railroad tracks leads into the cornfield this is dark later on the access road allows farm equipment to get in there that's what it's there for so in the middle of the night she sees a what she calls a strange parade going across the access road three vehicles traveling close enough to stay within each other's headlights

she said no one was a dark body pickup truck with a white roll bar the so marty mcfly is there that's good to know the second was another pickup with a yellow trail bike in the bed and the third was a van okay all right so she was like what the hell is going on it's the middle of the night she said also the corn was at least eight feet high it was ready for harvest this is the beginning of october they're gonna harvest soon so she's like what the hell here why who's driving into there she was so disturbed about it she woke up her husband and um he looked she said look what's going on and he looked and he just said there must be some kind of wild party going

on i don't fucking know i gotta work in the morning and he went back to sleep babe wake up three cars one dirt bike this is weird three cars went into a cornfield honey i don't fucking care imagine waking up you'd be like what i don't get it they only have one dirt bike i was sleep a trail bike not even a dirt bike right a fucking mountain bike 10 speed like a mountain bike yeah no motor i think yeah i think we're talking about just a mountain bike. Like a 10 speed? Like a mountain bike? Yeah. No motor, I think. Yeah. I think we're talking about just a mountain bike. A dirt bike. Any bike at all. It would be more fun. Yeah.

It makes it so fucking weird because you're all not riding that at the same time. They take turns. They take turns? They're going to take turns there. So the next day, no one can find the kids. No one can find Annette and Todd. They're nowhere to be found. So the Schultzes, you know, the mom, Todd's mom, and Todd's dad even, they go looking for them.

Where the hell are they? They took off. We saw them walk away. They never came back. They tried them at Annette's parents' house there at the Johnstons, and no luck there. Annette's parents house there at the Johnston's and no luck there. So she went to his mom. Todd's mom went to a doctor's office where Sarah Johnston,

who is Annette's mom works as a receptionist. Apparently, according to witnesses, Sandy, Todd's mom yelled, how could you live with such a pervert at Sarah? When Sarah answered the phone, when she called her,

she's like, oh, my God. Sandy then said that Todd and Annette are missing, and, you know, blah, blah, blah. What the fuck? So Sarah, Annette's mom, said she didn't know it was wrong. She said, I don't know what you're talking about there. So Sandy, Todd's mom, said, I know what he did to Annette. She told me everything. Raping her, masturbating in front

of her touching her all the time yeah so this and they'd only met once these two women so this is an aggressive there's a lot going on here so as soon as she hung up Sarah called her husband Dale who had just come back from feeding his livestock

and he said he'd go to the Schultz's house and find out what the hell was going on. So he knocked on the front door, and she said to her husband, Sandy said to her, someone on the phone that she was talking to, I believe it's Todd's father, the stepfather is here, get over here. So he said, you know, what are you talking about?

The kids are missing. And she said that, you know, kids took off off i don't know where the fuck they are i was looking for him you know you were probably a pervert i don't know blah blah blah so that's how that's how it went um everybody by the way they claim the schultz's claim everybody in town thinks dale's an asshole nobody likes dale is what she they say so five days go by no kids what don't know where they are now at the same time they've both she's they've been told they can't live at the trailer they're not there so the parents are kind of half thinking maybe they maybe they took off and they're like yeah they went to a lope and who knows what the fuck they're doing you know what i mean we

don't know by now it's five days they're 18 and You know what I mean? We don't know. Alaska by now. It's five days. They're 18 and 19. So this might be their, you know, thing. But Dale, Dale doesn't seem to think so. Dale and Sarah, the Danette's parents, they go over to the Schultz's house and they ask for, hey, can we have Annette's possessions that must be here since she lived here? You know, and they were like, why? Isn't she going to want them when she gets back? And they said, well, her clothes and other things are the last things we might have to remember her by. That's dark.

They're like, whoa, that's pretty fucking morbid, bro. You're jumping to a really sick place already, sir. Fucking Grim Dale over here. What's going on? This is not cool. You're being a real sick place already, sir. Fucking Grim Dale over here. What's going on? This is not cool. You're being a real Grim Dale, buddy. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid.

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I didn't know how she meant it. Why would she look there? Very specific. Yeah, that's extremely specific. So this goes on another five days october 14th 1982 there is a a group of said the cops haven't looked by the way for them at all there's been no searches no no dogs no helicopters no let's find them nothing they go well they're adults adults yeah yeah there's adults at that point they have no signs of foul play or anything like that.

They're just two adults that took off. Who knows? Right. So a group of citizens here, this is the REACT group, the Radio Emergency Associated Citizens Team, a bunch of CB radio people, a CB club. Yep. CB club. Yep.

A CB club organizes a search of the area. With weird nicknames. With dumb nicknames. Yeah. That they've always wanted to be called. Always. Just always wanted to be Wolfman. I don't know why.

They're all self-given nicknames. You're not supposed to nickname yourself. It very weird no no exactly do it's very the hubris is so obvious it's pretty fucking clear yeah people usually unless you're muhammad ali people usually give you nicknames that are you know slightly off or a little you know they're a little tongue-in-cheek-ish. They're not like, you know, Stud God 45 or something. I don't think your friends nicknamed you that. Breaker, Breaker God King here.

Breaker, Breaker Johnny Big Dick on the line. Who's here? Who's coming at me? Johnny Longschlong coming on down with some smokies in my pokey. Breaker 1-9. Long Don Silver. Coming on down the highway.

The worst. Any bears in the air up there? So about a dozen of these people gathered in the afternoon in a parking lot of an abandoned supermarket where all great searches start and um wasn't far from the railroad tracks obviously so that's why they did it the police had not made a systematic search like we said the volunteers said they're just using common sense which told them that the two people two young lovers out for a walk don't just run off with all of their shit left behind.

If they're going to run off, they would have packed at least a duffel bag or something. So this group- That's the thing. It couldn't matter any less what the age or any description of the person is, their lifestyle at all, left all their shit behind. Start looking for them. That's the thing. Yeah.

And it's not, if they like went on said they were going out of town and took a bunch of shit with them and left and never came back you go well maybe they stayed there but this is they walk they're on foot for fuck's sake why would he he's gonna leave his prized classic car behind right that lamont is everything yeah yeah so they split up into small groups um They started walking the tracks. As they crossed the bridge, a woman volunteer pointed out something floating in the water trapped in some debris. And they all decided, you know, let's not get any closer. Yeah. Looked like they didn't see legs or a head or anything sticking up. So they were like, fingers or anything.

So they were like, okay. They call off the search there that day. The next day they go back. And this river, by the way, is they find, Jesus, they find something. There's a guy with a little boat here trying to look for that shit. Deputy Bill Groves is here with another deputy in there. Because now the cops come in after they say... I think once they see a group of citizens searching it, they're like, we should probably look around, right?

We're going to look like real dips if they find anything at all, right? Yeah, let's do that. So there was a bunch of debris and trash that was kind of caught up in fallen trees and limbs and shit like that. They're poking it all with their oars trying to see uh they kept yeah they did it a bunch of times and a bottle will float away and shit instead they see something that looks like a dead animal probably a pig carcass so they poke it with the oar as it floated away though they said that looks like human skin yeah um couldn't tell what part of it was what part of

a human body it was though or anything like that that was sticking above the water so it floated away and got caught on a sandbar where the police could get close to it and they realized that it is a torso that's all no arms no legs head, just a torso. Oh, God. He said presumably male, although it's difficult because there's no genitalia because it's a torso. Just a flat chest. Yeah, that's the only reason. I guess, yeah. Yeah, maybe whatever.

I've seen little ones. Yeah, I mean, there's little tits out there she uh uh so they they go to the johnstons they're wonderful that's what i mean well that's not what you said like a month ago you're taking i know we had an argument now you're fucking no you can't do that i'm just saying i love them pay attention don't switch sides now mr there you go be yourself jimmy i'm just saying just just trying to be kind to this body i get you i feel you i'm just breaking your balls i'm not trying to hurt this body i'm not trying to hurt this torso's feelings you don't want to no it's this is terrifying but they don't know who it is though also because

they figured out that there's another couple who'd been reported missing in columbus recently oh my god and these these bodies seem pretty decomposed so they're like this might be this other couple from columbus is what they're thinking, more than likely. They asked if Annette had any identifying body marks on her body. And Dale said, yeah, she broke her leg. So, you know, we have old x-rays. Maybe that'll help. And the cop said, well, we don't have any legs to work with here.

Oh, God, Jesus. She break her sternum or anything like that. So the mother said, well, she wore partial braces. She was supposed to get them finished off. She was coming in sections. And they said, well, we don't have a head either. How about does she have her appendix? Yes, there are an appendix scar there. Anything we could open heart surgery at the age of 12.

Anything that we can get into. there anything we could open heart surgery at the age of 12 anything that we can get into so uh they asked can you supply any pictures that might help make an identification of the torso possibly so the johnstons went home they come back dale comes back an hour or two later with three pictures of annette at age 12 okay okay is, these pictures should not exist, by the way. These are three, she's nude in these pictures. Oh my God, Dale. This is a 12-year-old nude photo shoot, okay? Oh my God.

Now, I get that there's some nudist shit going on in the house. Sure. There's nudists that walk, but you don't take photographs. There should not be a camera anywhere near. going on in the house like sure there's nudists that walk but you don't take there should photographs anywhere near yeah you should you shouldn't be naked around your fucking kids if you're an adult they're 12 anyway but that's i don't care i'm gonna make a goddamn we're judging that as weird i'm sorry i'll stand on that hill and i'll fucking get away i don't care put your dick away put slap some boxers on chief i don't care you walk around shirtless all you want slap some boxers on so and regardless whether or not you're naked put some fucking clothes on that child

that's weird child yes at 12 that's too old too old for them and they're not around you yeah and they're like like a photo shoot too like these are staged she in two of them she's holding a shotgun with bands of ammunition crossed in front of her chest. While she is nude. Yeah. You know, like fucking people do on Instagram and shit all the time. But not when they're 12. This is crazy.

Oh, my God. I don't like this at all. This is like those weird calendars they had back in the day with naked chicks with machine guns. So the third, she's oh god yeah go on i'm sorry the third she's lying on a rug like on her stomach with her you know with her feet up exposed yeah yeah you know the pose um now um they're dale always said that they were saying oh there's a cute story behind these pictures. No, there isn't. No, there's not, Dale. There's a very disturbing illegal story behind all these. There's a very large crime behind these pictures, actually, Dale.

Yeah, this is not good, Dale. If this is acceptable to him, that he can explain it away with a story, I'm starting to lean on the truth of the other accusations, man. How do you show this to people with a straight face? How do you do this? He was like, well, here's a picture of her bare torso. No. And they were like, and at the time, the cops were like, okay, this is super weird. But they weren't going to be like, put cuffs on that man because they're trying to piece together who's, you know, where are the kids first?

So they were like, okay, that's weird as fuck. So the torsos, by the way, they ended up finding both torsos here in the river. Okay. That's, it gets really strange here. There was a cross-shaped, like a T or an X or a cross, whatever, however you want to put it, whatever shape it's in, a cross-shaped incision on Todd's abdomen and several smaller puncture wounds near it. There was also a large incision made roughly along the bottom of his rib cage across most of his chest as well. So mutilated, this torso has been. And that was caused with a knife.

That wasn't like an animal or something like that. That was a knife wound. The cross-shaped wound is eight by eight inches too that's big okay that's a good size yeah that's a good thing about dollar bill is six inches and yeah it's a good size so the um dale directed um they talked to dale obviously about this what they get the pictures and all that kind of thing he said listen i think this is wild uh yeah he said i think you guys should check out that cornfield as the site of maybe something bad that happened yeah he said that he told the cops he heard quote a rumor about what he called kids doing crazy things in the cornfield near the area where the torsos were found.

So he's like, you know, I don't know about this. I think we can. I think I think you're going to find them in there. So the cops were going to search there anyway, because it's kind of a connective area connected, not connected, but near there. area connected not connected but near there so they search in the late afternoon they received word that they someone had reported seeing a sock near the railroad railroad tracks not far from the access road to the cornfield the sock was where the cops went it was where the caller said it was somebody called in when they inspected it they They found that it contained, quote, some fleshy material. So they kept it as evidence.

Terrible description. Yeah. It gets worse. About 75 yards away from the sock, another discovery is made. It's a plastic-coated burlap feed bag. Okay. The kind that holds 100 pounds of animal feed. Oh.

Big bag. Yeah. big bag. A sheriff's deputy found the bag near the bottom of the railroad embankment. He showed it to another cop. They tossed it aside at first, but then when another officer came a few minutes later, this Jones detective, he came up and said, yeah, we got to take the bag, and they looked at it, and they saw what might be bloodstains on the bag, so they kept it. So they continue to search.

They break apart, the guys here, break up and look around. They start walking around the whole edge of the cornfield. They walk near the riverbank just inside the edge of the rows of corn, and they notice a spot where some of the corn stalks were broken. And that's one of the advantages of having this eight feet of corn, as you can see when there's areas of disturbance. Right. If you can just get above it.

So he saw more broken stalks forming what looked like a path that led into the corn field deeper. He follows the path until he comes upon a depressed spot in the field where no corn is growing, just a bare spot that's a little depressed in the ground. They're like, uh-oh, there's a small discolored spot on some weeds growing around there. When he pulls back the weeds, he sees a reddish stain in the soil.

So he says, let's go. Let's look at this here. So, wow, they end up finding an area where more corn stocks have stocks have been broken about 15 feet into the corn when they stepped in there they saw five or six holes in the earth okay going into each of the holes was a just tons of maggots coming in and out oh god shit so they were like well i think we found something yeah um they scrape off a little bit of the dirt from one of the holes and the first scrape they found human flesh um after a little more digging they see that what they found is an arm here oh no so they yep they say all right everybody get

shovels get the coroner you know this is now a fucking scene and nobody would step here, block it off. And they're in the middle of a cornfield. So this is how'd you like to be this farmer? He's about to go harvest. He's getting all the shit ready. And he's like, it's a fucking crime scene now. Jesus Christ. I need that money, you bastards.

Yeah. They said, look for footprints around this area, even though they've been trouncing all over it for a while now tons of people yeah tons of people um so they they got everything out uh where the maggots were they found the body parts they found four arms four legs and two heads so that's good i guess i suppose um but no that's not quite all of it. Both of the bodies had been mutilated pretty bad. We told you about Todd's torso mutilation. Right.

From what this says here, the court documents here, what they call their sex organs had been removed. They removed genitalia from both of them. Annette's torso wasn't as mutilated as Todd's, but six of her fingernails were missing. Six of her fingernails were missing. Think about that. An autopsy shows... The whole tip or just the nails were missing?

No, no, no, the whole nail torn. Not in the bed anymore. Nails missing. Oh, Jesus. Like they were in a Vietnameseietnamese prison camp or something so yes um uh the autopsy shows they died of gunshot wounds so interesting um by the way um while the cops are doing all this there's some guy hanging around the cornfield looks super curious about everything that they find here he's a random guy 21 year old named kenny lynn scott l-i-n scott um yeah he's they find him a deputy finds him quote lurking amongst the stalks they said lurking that's great yeah

now they talked to him and he's the same guy who had called police a few days earlier to ask if there had been any progress on those two missing kids. So he called police about, he called, yeah, a while back. So any progress on those kids? Also, this guy suffered a deep wound to his right arm on October 4th, a big knife wound to his right arm that night. on October 4th, a big knife wound to his right arm that night. And his wife was suspicious that he was involved in wherever these kids disappeared because he came home with a big wound. She was like, you didn't do anything with those kids, did you? That's the thing about wives.

Which is strange. Yeah. So let's just say this. This town goes motherfucking bonkers over this. Rightfully so. Of course they do. Yeah. Especially in 82 and it's hot they halloween is different this year there's no arrests made it's just teenagers found completely dismembered mutilated and torn apart and in a cornfield so nobody wants to let

their kids outside no jesus no it's terrifying i, this town is like, you know, they're really scared. And rightfully so, too. I mean, they're freaking out here. It's not like they just found a body laying down by the river and they're going, oh, God, this is two teenagers completely taken apart. This looks like a different deal. Yeah, two sick pieces. Yeah, gun sales increase.

It looks like Harry and the Hendersons when Bigfoot was spotted. People are running door locks, alarms. I mean, you name it. Anything that makes you safer. Sales are through the roof here, which is interesting. Months go by. What did you just say? Months.

May. Fucking May. May 1983 comes.M. Fucking May. May 1983 comes upon us. Oh, my God. Horror film. This is crazy. The cops suspect Dale. That's their big, that's everybody suspects Dale, the stepfather who was allegedly molested her and all that sort of thing.

But they don't have any proof. And in possession of child porn. Yeah. And in possession of that. Yeah. So they don't have any proof child porn. Yeah. And in possession of that. Yeah. So they don't have any proof. So they go to the FBI actually for a profile. They want a profile on this.

Yeah. They actually go to, you know, the behavioral science unit, mine Hunter, and they get a, they get profiles here. So the profile,

the report says that the, they believe that the murders were quote quote, unplanned and spontaneous and that the decapitation and dismemberment of the victims suggest that suggests that the killer tried to conceal these as some kind of bizarre axe murder rather than what they were, which was a spontaneous murder that they said, oh, shit, what do I do now? do now um they also the profile also suggests the possibility that the killer knew the female victim was familiar to not didn't have to be close but was familiar to her well not a stranger at least so they have they have the fbi's profile but you know what that's the fbi you know what i mean so the behavioral science unit john douglas them, we've seen Mindhunter. We know how that goes. But we also have a construction work and livestock man named Dale, the stepdad, who believes he's a psychic. Okay?

He's going to help out with his psychic powers. Yes. He's a psychic. The possible kid toucher is also clair clairvoyant i mean you know what god gives you gifts he gives you burdens at the same time what are you gonna do jimmy you can't have it all they can both be curses that's what i mean so dale said quote i remembered that annette believed in my psychic visions, and I just figured if she was in trouble, she would try to send a mental message to me. So I'm over here.

Thank God it was her that's missing because she's aware of how talented I am, and she will try from beyond to get me information. We'll connect somewhere in the psychic ether. We'll get it. Don't worry. We'll try from beyond to get me information. We'll connect somewhere in the psychic ether. We'll get it. Don't worry. We'll get there. Stupid. He said then, later that same day, as soon as he thought of that and connected it and kind of put out the mental bat signal to Annette, later that same day, quote, I had two visions. She got me. I had a vision.

In one, I saw Annette and Todd standing beside some water. You know, like a river, okay? In the other, I saw Annette and Todd in the front seat of a car. Todd was driving and she was sitting behind him. How is that possible? I saw Annette and Todd in the front seat of a car. Todd was driving and she was sitting beside him, not behind that possible? I saw that in Todd in the front seat of a car. Todd was driving and she was sitting beside him, not behind. Sorry.

I messed up my thing. Okay. Behind beside him. So that's what he saw. These two things. So this is fucking wild. She's very strange. So after the visions, this is by the way,

before the bodies were found, he said he had visions. That's why the cops are now going, well, this guy said he had visions. And before he, he said he and his wife, Sarah had driven to nearby Lake Logan and then to Buckeye Lake,

which is 60 miles away to look for them. After he had visions of water, he said he found no evidence that they were at either place. Cause obviously he's a forensic detective now. But he said after after he had these visions and told the cops about him trying to be helpful, he said ever since then, the police have been leaning on him, you know, kind of trying to muscle him into saying that he had something to do with all of this. Because in the past, a lot of guys that have done bad things have done this, sir. They've said this. That's the thing.

To help, to give closure. He said, no, I just want to help with my psychic ability. He said, sometimes when I close my eyes, I see things. That's what he said. Okay, it's interesting. It's better than hearing things, I suppose. Most times, what I'm seeing doesn't have any significance, so I ignore it. He said, Sarah and I went to the scene on the river to help identify the bodies.

When I looked across the river, I saw the trees, the same trees that had appeared in my vision almost two weeks before. A tree is a tree. Yeah. Yeah. So, oh, oh my god this is weird so now todd's dad here donald schultz he um during this time what everybody suspects dale he had a psychic vision he's lusting the pictures all this sort of thing todd's dad gets arrested and charged with by the sheriff's department with improper handling of a firearm. They stopped his dad's pickup truck at 8 p.m. Not far from the Johnston home with a loaded 32 caliber revolver in the truck. Oh, he is pissed.

So they were like, hmm, that's weird. What are you doing, vigilante man? Yeah, he doesn't live around there anymore. So they're like, oh, he doesn't live around there anymore. So they're like, I don't like this at all. So the investigation is focusing on Dale, obviously. August of 83 comes around. Get fucked.

This is crazy. No hurry. No hurry. Yeah, no hurry. A whole town's livelihood isn't sitting on the fucking brink of disaster. Oh, everybodyless and everybody's just calling dale that murderer that's it's just like well there it is they're gonna arrest him sometime keep your kids away from the murder so uh they found a boot a boot print uh near the river there it was found on the river's edge near where you know where everything happened here but they said that the this area also had been

searched by a volunteer civilian team for four to six days before they found it so this boot print could have been made by a searcher they're like this is you can't do that but the police are trying to say it was dale's boot print they also introduced that they have uh they searched the johnston house and he let them you you know, gave them full permission. They found a pair of cowboy boots, some feed bags similar to the bloodstain one they found over there, and items of clothing

that were recovered from a strip mine pit behind Johnston's home. There's bloodstained clothing they found here. They think the bloodstained feed bag, by the way, was used to haul body parts from the river there where they had the...

Because torsos are heavy. You kill them, cut them up by the river. The torsos you put there, but then you can carry arms and legs and heads up there. Which is pretty crazy. They found several bloodstained household items during the search of the strip mine behind the Johnston home here.

But a woman named Sylvia Clark, who is a microanalysis official with the Ohio Bureau of Investigation and Identification, she said that she could not determine whether the blood was human or animal. That deteriorated too much. This is pre-DNA, too. human, or animal. That deteriorated too much. This is pre-DNA too. They had a curtain, a tablecloth, a blanket, a quilt, a pair of socks, and a piece of paneling all bore traces of blood, which is not normal.

I'm going to throw all these different weird seemingly not connected items that all seem to have blood on them. I'm going to throw them out in the same hole. Good? All right. You got any blood- shit i'm putting my blood spoils out here i'm going out in the blood pit if y'all want to throw your stuff out there this is where we keep our it's a bio hazard pit i call it um just like the hospitals have now he um johnston he said he had authorized strip mining mining on part of his property and and he said that sometimes he dumps garbage in the mining pits, you know, because it's a fucking giant pit.

So they searched his farm for three days, and like I said, got all of that and all the men's boots too, like we said, the cowboy boots and everything. They also took a pair of women's suede shoes from the master bedroom as well. They found a canceled check from Dale written to a Logan gas station for a purchase made on October 4th, 1982, the day of the murders. Now, there was some confusion whether he was in town that day or not. But they know that he was because they have a check putting him at least at this gas station or at least the date of the check is for that who knows so who knows if he didn't know the date we don't know so um you could have posted it don't cash this yet it's not good that's yeah hey give me five days on that one now another search of the property they confiscate a piece of carpeting that was under the heater in the living room of the trailer here. So several police officers take the feed bag that had been found at the burial site and they shake it out onto some paper placed on the floor of the sheriff's office.

They hadn't shaken the bag out yet in over a year, by the way. What? They discover some hair samples in the bag that they shook out. Some hairs come out, okay? A year old. A year old hair, yeah bag that they shook out. Some hairs come out. A year old. A year old hair that they found there. So more evidence here. Human blood found on the grain bag found near the graves.

The blood types could have been those of the slain people, they said, but they couldn't be positive. It was indeterminate. Now, the prosecutors say that the bag was carried. They're going to say the bag's carried for body parts here. There should be a lot of blood in there. They found also pubic hairs found in a pair of brown suede shoes taken from Dale's closet. By the way, who has pubes in their shoes, number one? That's a very weird.

Why do you have pubes? How do you get pubes in your shoes, number one. That's a very weird. Why do you get pubes? How do you get pubes in your shoes, man? I don't know. I guess you stand naked just wearing shoes to trim your nuts. You'll get pubes in your shoes that way. But then it wouldn't even go up. They'd have to. Your shoes would have to be off your feet for them to be pubes to them.

Yeah. Unless you do it on. Unlaced open. Some brown suede shoes. Rock them like fucking, you know. What i like to do is i i put my from the fucking 80s and i yanked the tongue all the way out oh yeah set them on the floor beneath me then i stand over and they're like a they're like a hair catcher you see it's like a lint trap in your dryer to me i just feel better like they're cheering me on you know what i mean

it's moral support that they're there for, really, for me. It really feels like it's two girls standing underneath me with their tongues out. Either way, that's how you get pubes in your shoes. And they're hungry for my pubes. Wow. They said that Annette Johnston had a similar pair of these shoes, so they weren't his shoes. But the mother testified later on that the shoes are her shoes that they found in her closet. They also said similar polyester fibers were found on the bloodstained feed bags and a vest owned by Dale.

No blood was found on the vest, though. So, yeah. But these are mom's shoes? A ball most expert does her mom shoes too and then there's a vest that's his vest but it's in the closet so a ballistics expert yeah giant bush just shoes or she was wearing loose shoes and shaving his balls a nice favor that's i see it's probably trimmed now. So this ballistics guy says that the 22 bullets recovered from the bodies were not fired by the.22 caliber rifle

confiscated from the property. That doesn't mean they didn't have a different.22 rifle. I feel like in a lot of these stories, on a farm, a.22 rifle are pretty ubiquitous. They shoot vermin and varmints and things like that you know um they said also the 22 round could have been fired from a handgun or a rifle

either one right the long rifle yeah that round goes in everything yeah um now they so they're talking to other people they find a guy named michael stevens who's a former school acquaintance of annette who he'll say uh fill out an affidavit and everything, that she told him that she had been molested by her father and she feared that she might be pregnant. This was during her, like, the 80-81 school year that happened. P.S. Molested and pregnant requires rape. That's not—I hate that it gets called that way. That's more than molested.

Yeah, that's fucking rape. that's a lot more rape absolutely so uh another former boyfriend of annette said that when she was 16 she told him that her stepfather was having forceful sexual contact with her as he as this guy put it and um another guy uh that's john jones another guy who was dating Annette, said she told him of a problem with her stepfather and asked to talk to his mother because she wanted just somebody to talk to. So he said this John Jones, not the fighter, within two weeks of this John Jones situation here dating her, he said that he started receiving phone calls from an unidentified man who told him that he only had so many days to live and in addition threatened to castrate him so that's oh that's true that's that's very oh that's very uh indicative of what happened wow that is something yeah um so the they asked jones if the caller's voice had any distinctive traits, and he said that he had a hissing associated with his S's. So he had like a lisp.

A lisp is what that would be, yes. So he said that he had also that he had heard Dale Johnston talk in a similar way before any phone calls were ever made. So they said, I know that Dale Johnston guy, his stepdad kind of talks like that. Dale Johnston guy, his stepdad kind of talks like that. So the cops are trying to put together, they think maybe Dale killed the couple because he was jealous that she was leaving and going off with this guy. And he feels like he had like some kind of possession over her possibly. You know, they don't know. They're trying to put it together.

They need something. They do say that his relationship with his stepdaughter, quote, far exceeded the bounds of intimacy that would be expected in a normal parental stepfather relationship i'd say those pictures right there are the anything that's that right there and that was when she was 12 it took a while to get there he's been doing this for far too long i would say yeah uh somebody else said that dale would do anything to break up the relationship between Todd and Annette. So they saw – there's some witnesses that saw Dale with them the day they disappeared as well. So there's a lot going on here. They found, though, that the he says that he didn't see his stepdaughter that day,

and they said the boot print, the mud on the bank, didn't match the mud found on his boot either. So they just said it could have been the same boot, but the mud was different. So, Jesus Christ, an investigator told Johnston that

after the bodies were discovered discovered and after all this, one of the investigators told everybody that as far as he was concerned, Dale Johnston did it. That's it. Now Dale is sitting there and he said, at a time like this, a man needs more than his own strength. He needs a little help from God too. Yeah. He said that little help from God, too. Yeah.

Yeah. He said that. That's right. He said that it's been, quote, hell and torture for me and my family since the bodies were found. Just hell and torture. He said his home's been searched. You know, people have made comments about him here. They said also they claimed that Johnston and his wife had quote in their possession instruments and implements that could cause or contribute to the condition of the victims, personal items of the victims and evidence of trauma and writing.

Yeah. The personal items of the victims, they lived, she lived there. Um, and he came over all the time and everybody has knives in their house. So right. That's guns in Logan, Ohio orio or alike they're probably both very common she lives they live on a farm for christ's sake yeah he literally has a farm with a strip mine out back so very very very uh odd here so um he said even though nobody has mentioned names it's obvious that the police consider me a suspect yeah it's just no shit dummy shouldn't have been such a fucking creep yep they said um

they said that uh he said the disclosure of the details of the search warrants they said are you upset about that that they exposed what they found and he said quote don't matter to me one way or the other he said there's a bunch of stuff in there that won't make me look very good but there wasn't a single item taken from me or my property that had anything to do with the deaths of those kids. What bothers me the most is and he didn't say that

they haven't found the murder. He said that while police are wasting their time and energy trying to pin this thing on me, the real murderer is still out there running free. He gave us an OJ. Yeah, that was pretty good. September 29th, 1983, they finally arrest Dale.

Okay. Finally. It's almost a whole year. They were like, it's going to be a year in five fucking days. This is very embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. Every newspaper is going to say, one year anniversary, no arrest still. So if we have anything, let's do it now. So they arrest him two counts of aggravated murder, which is terrible here, obviously.

They get Sarah Johnston, the mom here, Annette's mom, and they talk to her and her testimony is that her husband may have been having sex with Annette, which is crazy. All of this is stricken from the record, by the way. This will all be stricken. The prosecutor asked Sarah, quote, Do you recall telling Dale, quote, that you didn't care if he raped her every day of the week? I just want my baby back. Oh, my God. Why would you say those words? She said, yes, I do remember saying that. Oh, my God, Sarah.

She said that. I don't know if he means rape Sarah every day of the week or her daughter. I'm not sure. But you shouldn't rape Sarah every day of the week or her daughter. I'm not sure. But you shouldn't rape anyone any days of the week. So it just seems it's fucking crazy. I guess that says how desperate she is to have her baby back. But holy fuck, man.

What kind of words are those to say? Mrs. Schultz here. That is the one who said that Todd's mom who said that Annette told her about the molestation. Now, Annette, though, Annette's mom, Sarah, says no. Annette would say anything to get her own way. She was playing on Sandy's sympathy. But yet she doesn't. But yet she doesn't deny that there was, you know, abuse, sexual abuse. It's crazy.

So she also said that Annette was not terrified of her stepfather and that she wanted to return to home more than she wanted to stay with the Schultzes. She said that Annette had actually apologized to her stepfather for moving out so abruptly and had been back at least twice a week to visit. So she wasn't running away and doing all that. She said that, uh, the last time she saw annette

was when she and dale returned from a vacation and that was staying at uh the trailer with michelle and uh they arrived unexpectedly the johnstons uh dale and zara late at night but annette got out of bed and stayed up most of the night talking with them. That's what she said. She said that the Johnstons bought her a puppy as a peace offering. They wanted to make up with her. And that Annette had said, me and the puppy might be moving back shortly. So that's what Sarah said. All of this is stricken from the record, by the way. All of this, including the incriminating things, because it was the reason was that no one else had heard it.

Only Sarah and Dale. Yeah. And this conversation. No, this conversation fell under the protection of privileged spousal communication. Oh. Which is that they've changed the rules a little on that. So he's in jail. Johnston Dale does an interview from jail and he says the town the town feels safe now so i guess they're safe now

is what he said um but he didn't think he said you know this is ridiculous i'm not this is crazy this isn't me i'm a child molester i'm not a murderer that's what i mean listen i'm a fucking chomo not a murderer let me get this i'm a rapist yeah i'm a please don't isolate that i'm a rapist i'm a terrible terrible person but god damn it do i draw the line at murder that is my moral compass does not go that far to the fucking south holy shit for the trial he waives his right to a jury trial and instead opts for a three a three judge panel to decide the case i think his lawyer said look there's people that are going to come on that stand and say that you fucked your stepdaughter and raped your stepdaughter you have pictures of your stepdaughter in very creepy weird calendar gun calendar fucking poses this is very creepy um

a jury's gonna see that and not care about any of the evidence as a judge would separate that from the evidence so that's why they that's why they do that here lean it on guys that have seen these cases and are seasoned vets that are not shocked by this. Let's just get their legal opinion rather than somebody doing this with their heart. Totally. Exactly. That's what they're saying. Regular people are going to be very much swayed by that sort of thing.

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He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal.

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They made a plaster cast of the footprint. The defense challenged the validity of the footprint. First, there had been heavy rain during the period between when they disappeared and the discovery of the bodies. Also, civilian search parties had walked all over the riverbank for three days or four days. But the state said that the print belonged to Dale. But the plaster cast was sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington, along with Johnston's boot, okay? The FBI evidence expert, William Bodziak,

he testifies at trial that in his opinion, the boot did not match the plaster cast. So, yes. trial that in his opinion the boot did not match the plaster cast so yes he also said that the casting was probably that of a barefoot print also like a barefoot footprint that's not a bear actual toes right there not a not a rango right exactly um so very interesting he also he sent the cast to dr louise robbins a north North Carolina anthropologist who's done study on the analysis of barefoot footprints. And she said that the casting was indeed that of a boot print, though. She disagrees.

She said that the wear patterns shown in the casting were similar to the wear patterns she has observed on the tracking taken from the inside sole of johnston's boot so she says it's it's similar it's a boot and it's something like his yeah yeah it's she says it's his boot the fbi says it's not even a boot it's a fucking foot if you're deciding this to me that's a wash yeah you know what i mean i go well i don't i i don't i'm not considering that evidence at all because there's no i need well i don't i i don't i'm not considering that evidence at all because there's no i need a conclusive i don't yeah i don't need it muddy and gray this is not good because it wasn't even a defense expert that they you know the fbi guys that the prosecutors sent it to he said it wasn't that so right you know that's tough um the uh they also said that the wear patterns from the inside of the brown suede shoes confiscated at the Johnston home were similar to those found in a pair of Annette's riding boots.

So they're saying those are Annette's shoes is what they said. The state will claim that Annette was wearing the brown shoes when she was murdered. And the defense contains that the shoes had only been worn by Sarah, not Annette. So there's a big deal with michelle the younger sister okay she is his main alibi dale and um but she testifies that she heard dale declare annette is dead 10 days before her body was found okay but when asked when asked about it minutes later during the same testimony, she couldn't recall whether her stepfather made that statement or not. Oh, she knows she heard it. Yeah.

Also, she's undergone psychiatric evaluation. She's in therapy. She's in all these things. She's not doing well, and she's not remembering things on the stand. stand she's a 17 year old whose sister got slaughtered and is being put under tremendous pressure on a fucking witness stand to either put her stepfather in jail who her mother obviously doesn't want that to happen or have people think that she let the killer of her sister go free there's too much pressure on this kid for that that's a 17 year old and this is probably her best friend. Yeah. So, yeah, they have that from her. She also at one point says that Dale was with her that day.

Then at the next time she says she's not sure. Then she's sure again. Then she's not sure. Again, what do you do with that? So then there's a hypnotized witness. The police, not on the stand, but they got his information from hypnosis. They used hypnosis to aid his memory here. This is Steve Ryan here.

He said that Ryan's an employee of the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency. He said he saw the couple who he had met the week before walking along a Logan Street that he was driving on on October 4th. He said he saw a car stop abruptly at the curb next to the couple. He said a man got out of the car, ran around to Annette and Todd, cursed loudly, said, you know, get in this fucking car. And

the man grabbed Annette Johnson's shoulder and shoved her toward the car and grabbed Schultz and threatened him with his fist. Now, that's what they got out of hypnosis. He said he initially withheld the description from the investigators and told them more than once a week that he had seen a man with, or told them more than once that he had seen a man with shoulder-length brown hair

and a mustache get out of the car, but the description of that was not mentioned during his trial testimony because that doesn't fit johnston johnston has short gray hair and is balding so his initial description doesn't match them so they the hypnosis though they made it match damn right so yeah that's a problem uh there they ask for a mistrial after the hypnosis witness but the judge allows it. So there's also an investigator here. During cross-examination, this guy said he left the scene because he had become so badly disturbed by Logan investigators

that in his view, all the evidence collection value had been lost. This guy is an investigator with the Ohio Bureau for Criminal Identification and Investigation. That's a very important title. Better than Logan whatever the fuck. And he's not impressed with the collection of this. He's mad actually. No, he came to the burial scene and said he could only stay a few minutes because he was so disgusted with how badly they fucked it up he said that he tried several times to pass leads about other possible suspects too that he found to the logan police department detective james thompson specifically the lead investigator but he said thompson ignored all

the information he gave him thompson wants nothing to do with it we've got a good suspect we got our guy yeah he also said he walked out of thom Thompson's interrogation of Johnston because he disagreed with Thompson's methods. He said Thompson tried to get Johnston to explain bloodstains on his boots when there wasn't any bloodstains that this guy could see and that Thompson charged that Johnston's hands were cut. But but this guy said there was no cuts on his fucking hands. So his whole thing was I have things that didn't actually happen explain how they happen and dale went that's not true and that you're never going to get the guy to crack on that shit you got to find pieces of truth that you can nail him with you're lying to him and that which is legal and it's fine yeah if you if he can't prove those lies just by looking at his own fucking hands yeah yeah johnston um uh they also said that john that

that thompson told johnston to confess to quell the fear that the murders have raised like confess it'll make everyone feel better the defense to this whole thing isn't they have no evidence other than i'm a bad guy the defense is it was devil worshipippers that did it oh god don't do that yep um they have an expert who they subpoena but don't call as a witness by the way this is going to take the biggest left turn you've ever fucking seen in a minute here so hang in there everybody um not that this isn't crazy and interesting but holy shit is there a big turn coming so this guy says he was going to testify that the body parts were in seven graves, a traditionally symbolic Satanist number. He said the graves and two blood patches form a rough circle.

He said also the slayings occurred during the midnight of a new moon, which is an important cultist requirement. He said, quote, it was obvious to me this was a satanic killing. And he said they don't know where the blood is i'm sure it's not just that they did it at the riverbank and it washed away in the river he said that they must have drank the blood as part of the ritual you son of a bitch yeah he said that he didn't think johnston killed his stepdaughter and then her fiancee but that five or more of what he called dedicated, totally perverse Satanists did it. Probably seven. That's what he said.

Yep. Probably seven. It's a better number for them. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, he said that's it. That's all there is to it, man. I mean, I don't know what the hell these people are doing.

But they end up not calling him because Dale testifies himself. Yeah. But they end up not calling him because Dale testifies himself. And they thought Dale did well enough on the witness stand that they didn't have to call in the Satan guy. But a little more from the Satan guy here, by the way. This guy's a history teacher at Columbus South High School at the time. And he believes that a Satan worshiper shot them, left their bodies in the cornfield, went to gather other cult members so they could have a midnight ceremony, obviously. Hey, guys, I got two. Let's go. Got two, yeah. They said they found only a small bit of blood, and he said that meant that obviously they'd been dismembered elsewhere and they drank their blood, clearly.

He said that also the cross-shaped wound, eight by eight inches on Todd's chest, he said, quote, Satanists make the cross symbol over the victim's gut or genital area. So he also said that smaller cuts were intended by the Slayers as rays emanating from the cross. They were drawing a picture on him. He said that the rays correspond to the stations of the satanic cross dedicated to the satanic trinity of Lucifer, Beelzebub, and Baal. So, duh.

They have to do the stations of the cross, man. It's Catholicism and devil worship. It's the same. I mean, honestly, duh. You know? Now, so he tells the newspaper this. Then they talking to satanist groups who are going hey hey hey we're misunderstood calm down fucking blame us for this shit yeah he said um they said no this is crazy they said it's not us that have to have animal participation uh sacrifices and

all this type of shit they blame blame criminals and motorcycle club members. Yeah. He said who that's who's really doing a blame in it on us. And he says also, he said, you're blaming us. That's all it is. He said it's twisted caricatures and this is ridiculous. Silly. You got to look at the Mongols and the Vietnam vets.

Come on. They do this shit, not us. Sonny Barger is the biggest Satanist ever. So Johnston on the stand admitted some type of sexual contact with Annette on one occasion when she was about 11. That's what he's willing to admit in open court. But he would not elaborate, and the prosecutors didn't make him go into detail on it somehow they they just let that float in the air is happening they didn't go exactly what happened asshole let's talk about that so this goes to the jury and they thought this is a because there's no

real evidence obviously no physical evidence nobody's really seen them together none of it matches other than the hypnotized guy so they think that this is going to be like a long time of deliberations to come up with something but instead they come back in two and a half hours the three judges yeah three and a half or two and a half hours they say guilty of two counts of aggravated murder okay um sentencing same three panel judge panel as does the sentencing a couple weeks later you sir may fuck off death in the electric chair death in the electric chair with that evidence with that evidence yeah death in the electric he sucks but holy shit you guys yeah this is a tough one for us because oh boy you want to you don't want to defend the admitted child molester.

That's not who you want to defend. But at the same time, I mean, you know, something, something, but it's not something. You know what I mean? We are asking for death for child molesters, so I understand that. That's not what he's charged with. No. And now there's a new witness that comes out, by the way, after he's sentenced to death here. She said she heard what sounded like shots and a girl's scream coming from the cornfield.

She said she didn't connect the screams to the death of the kids until after searchers found their torso. She said she saw a boy and a girl late afternoon on October 4th, 82, standing on the railroad tracks adjacent to the cornfield. She described the couple as a girl with blonde shoulder length hair and a lanky youth with dark brown hair. That's the two that fits their description. They said they were closely followed. This is what she said, that the boy and girl were closely followed by a taller adult male, perhaps in his 40s. The man had dark hair, heavy brows, a prominent chin, and large ears. He was wearing dark-colored overalls and no eyeglasses.

Now, this does not describe Dale at all. Dale wears glasses. He can't see shit without glasses. His hair is totally gray. It's not brown. He doesn't have heavy—none of that fits him. He has a very angular face. It doesn't work like that.

Very detrimental to their case. Yeah, but he's already convicted. She said, I have seen the pictures in the paper of persons who testified at Dale Johnson's trial and have not recognized any of those pictures as being similar to the adult male on the railroad tracks. She said that the man appeared to be smirking and the girl seemed angry and stomped her foot. So we've heard that from a couple different people. Yeah. So now he gets to death row, Dale. And here's a quote.

When you arrive, they promise you a week or so of orientation. I was stripped, searched and shoved into a cell. Then they slammed the door. That was my orientation to death row. That's the Dr. Dre out. Cl was my orientation to death row. That's the Dr. Dre out. Clang, welcome to death row. And then the fucking Dre day starts up. That's how that goes.

That's the chronic album. So he said that his cell had a bed bolted to the floor, thin mattress, pillow, a toilet, and a hand basin and mirror. He said we spent an average of 23 hours and 37 minutes a day in our cells. He said he found comfort in his Bible, and he kept up on world events by reading five daily newspapers. So that's what he's doing there. I didn't say. I'm sure the Columbus, whatever, the fucking local.

Yeah, give me a USA Today. I need some color in here. the fucking local yeah give me a usa today i need some color in here he said that um he said he's critical of media reports that characterize him as a cold callous man he says the people who report stuff like that are full of uh full of prune juice you know what he means wow prune juice makes yeah it turns turns things into liquid poop and that's you he says this is a funny he says quote this experience has changed me forever well no shit you're on death row so that's the most obvious is that right sir is that right he said for one thing i have more compassion for others my faith in the lord is much stronger because of this too so um how about

the children you son of a bitch no no no no not if not if i think they're hot he does an interview with columbus's wbns tv as well yeah um which doesn't seem like a good idea but he does it um does this whole interview now sarah johnston she does a lot of interviews too by the way she divorces him when he gets sentenced to death yeah divorces him you have to yeah yeah i don't know if that's for property transfer to keep it away from being so he can't be sued and i don't know what it is but um she's still on his side though she said quote he wants people to know that he didn't do it he wants to be vindicated he'll never be satisfied until he finds out who killed his little girl yeah um he said he told me if they take me out tomorrow and shoot me i'm ready to die she said dale's in

prison but i'm in prison too they've tried to push me to the edge i don't think of it i don't think about it if i did i'd go out of my gourd so um out of her gourd she said that she got a job she had a school um or no she was going to a vocational school and uh she was in the restroom and heard a young woman walk in saw her and turned around and left yelling to someone else don't go in there that murderer's in there that murderer's in there she said i've got either gotten used to it or maybe uh lie to myself a lot, but I try not to let things like that bother me. Now, Donald Schultz, Todd's father, said, I'd like to be there when they fry him. I'd get a great amount of satisfaction knowing that the last thing he saw was my smiling face.

Yeah. But, yeah, there's some problems here, obviously. There's there's there's some problems here. Obviously, 1986, the appeal comes around and they bring up the it's not the lack of evidence. It's the fact that it's the fact that they ignored some of his they they wrongfully. Wow. Illegally confiscated some of his clothes and the fact that they let a hypnotized witness testify that was one of their main witnesses to tie him there so the court orders a new trial the state supreme court orders the conviction overturned and a new trial here so he remains on death row waiting to

hear what the prosecutors are going to do they don't then put him in a regular prison. They keep him in death row. He says, I mean, if they let me out, he goes, I'll be without anything. I got no family. I have nothing. I don't have any possessions. He said, all I'm left with is questions. The only thing I do know is that they weren't with me that night, and I didn't kill him. He's sticking to it.

He said, I believed in law and order all my life, but my belief's been shattered by what has been done to me in Hocking County. It was just a shabby cover-up, one falsehood after another. Everything I had, whether it was of value or not, is gone. They can't give me back the years of my life they've taken away from me. My daughter, my wife, our home, our horses, our style of life, none of it can be replaced. October 1989, the court has to decide what will we let in on a new trial it's the pre-trial stuff they're not letting in the hypnotized stuff they're

not letting in any of the actual evidence that you could make a murder case out of they have nothing so may 11th 1990 they have to let them out of jail they have nothing they can't charge them they let them out they don't dismiss the charges though they're still hanging they just let him out so he's like holy shit he gets out and um he says the way i see it i have an obligate an obligation to my friends my family and the people of hawking county to use every legal means possible to find out who killed annette and todd that's right said, I can't go home to Logan because that part of my life is over. I'm sort of drifting here and there,

not putting down any roots. Oh, that's good to know. There's an admitted child molester drifting and not putting down any roots. Just wandering around from elementary school to elementary school. The police who believed in me before still believe in me,

and that keeps going. The people, not the police. My life has changed totally. Before all this happened, I was a semi-retired carpenter who worked when he felt like it. I had a family, riding horses, and a 53-acre farm in the most beautiful, restful spot on earth. But I've lost everything. I don't even have the tools of my trade. And without his tools and a truck, a carpenter can't do much carpentry.

He says his friends are giving him financial aid, but he said it's hard. He goes, my entire life I've been a shy private person. I minded my own business and expected others to do the same. God damn it. So he said it's difficult and the whole thing's hard and he's going to try to find the real killers. He said he was, I was was railroaded pure and simple the police and others needed a scapegoat so they could protect whoever it was who killed those kids i was an outsider not one of those good old boys who hung around the bars in town so i was elected oh my

oh my god yeah he said they all got together like and got the pitchforks you belong in that prison just not on that side just in a different tier that's all in a different tier um bitch so yeah he said that once the trial began he realized that he'd be convicted he said that's the way they are the the hocking county officials are they made a big mistake they thought my conviction would end it they thought when the trial was over my attorney would shake my hand tell me sorry dale but we did the best we could and that would be that but my attorneys didn't quit we kept at it and he said then my great great he said my great great grandfather homesteaded in hocking county damn it and i'm god damn it i'm not gonna no goddamn concharn it and something gonna make me leave no how he did the blazing

saddles yeah then he said he doesn't hold it against the people of logan he said a majority of them are good decent god-fearing people they've been as much a victim of this whole thing as me and my family you asshole he's a bit of an asshole um so yeah he says i'm it's still a semi-open murder case because a murder weapon has never been found only 15 to 20 weapons out of the thousands fit the category that was used in that murder and the cops said it isn't like we work this case every day or anything like that but if a lead develops we'll check it out um yeah so dale says someday he knew he'd get out though which is crazy to think that um he said though i won't quit until the real killers are brought to trial. He's got a lay on that, huh?

He's kind of hanging on. Yep. Now, Todd's parents said this doesn't change shit for them. They think he did it. Todd's father said, the one who wants to watch him die while smiling, said, I can't tell you how angry I am. I'm real mad at the system. It'd be very fitting if a garbage truck ran him over but then i feel sorry for the truck driver yeah so i've been applying it all all garbage details around here yeah his todd's mom said quote i'm still in shock i'm afraid to leave the house not because of him but because i'm afraid i'll run into somebody who thinks he's innocent i just don't think i could

take that so she said i saw him on TV last night and he kept saying he wants to get out so he can find the real murderer. I guess they don't allow mirrors in prison. Sheriff said he's not innocent either. The sheriff said, this is bullshit. He goes, now Sheriff Jones here. He said, yeah, we had the right man,

but due to a flaw in the law, he was released from jail. Not due to your shoddy police work he said you you had nothing he had nothing um so yeah 1994 finally uh 12 years after this um sandra schultz too this is right after that 12 years after the murder she said i have a feeling god is ruling here. We know, uh, we know Dale. Oh, no, this is Sandra Schultz. We know Dale killed them. And even though justice may not come in this life, it will come. It will come. And Dale says the same thing. He says, I just want justice. I want to clear my family name. Now they introduce another killer into this scene,

a guy named William Wickline two months before the bodies of our people here, Annette and Todd, were discovered, Wickline murdered a young Columbus couple, Chris and Peggy Lurch. Chris Lurch had ripped off Wickline in a drug deal, and Peggy Lurch was killed to eliminate a witness. Wickline is on death row at this point, and they're trying to connect him to these killings as well but they don't have any evidence obviously all they know is that he robbed a drug store about 20 miles from logan once so maybe that's why so that's 1994 14 years go by oh my god what was that 2008 2008 remember kenny linscott yeah the guy by the cornfield calling, going, yeah, the lurker who called and said, any progress? You found anybody? Well, he's talking to his probation officer, and his probation officer starts prodding him about a couple of things, and he says, we killed the kids.

He admits to the whole thing. What? Yep. He is arrested. Who's we? what yep he is arrested who's we and he said it was me who by the way lynn scott's 47 at the time he was 21 at the time of the murder he said it was me and chester w mcknight known to friends and police alike as quote chester the molester stop it oh yeah chester the molester is around and they don't talk to him he was 24 in 82 let me give you a quote from chester here quote boy i was born march 2nd 1958 this is about his

dad and he left in april something of 1958 so he didn't stick around too long after i was born so you know i never knew my dad i seen him once in my whole life and I was at the Lebanon Correctional Institution and I was 33 years old and he expected me to call him dad. And I told him, look, I don't need a daddy. I was doing six to 15 years in prison and I don't need a dad. Oh boy. Now his neighbors remember him as more when he was a kid, like a goofy kid. It's just a goofy kid. He'd fall down all the time. One of his neighbors called him, quote, Chester was a short, fat, jolly boy. Maybe he was a little stupid, but he laughed a lot. A short, fat, stupid boy.

A short, fat, dumb, dumb. Yep. But he started drinking when he was a kid. He got arrested for underage drinking. And he said, I was just going along with the teens to be their designated driver. I wasn't drinking um he was lazy all the time um according to his ex-wife usually he'd just lay on the couch and watch tv i couldn't ever even get him to mow the damn lawn jesus fuck he started doing a lot of drugs and shit like that um she said that uh has his usage increased his mood swings

would be terrible they said practically anything could trigger his outbursts which included cursing shrieking throwing objects around the house she did say she never did hit me though um which i don't know that's interesting unstable fella yeah she says when he was on drugs he was happy but when he was off he was a holy terror. Now he's got convictions for over the last 30 years. Well, let's see here. Abduction, felonious assault, importuning, whatever the fuck that is. Attempted unlawful sexual contact with a minor, pandering obscenities involving minors, pandering sexual materials involving minors. Oh, boy. All of that and making an RSX faster?

No shit. Inportune. Thank you. November 3rd, 1983, Chester commits, this is very similar. He pulled a knife on a college girl who was walking the railroad tracks in Nelsonville, pulled her down the railroad tracks in Nelsonville, pulled her down the railroad embankment intending to rape her. However, she was quick and escaped and ran away and identified him.

He's a short, fat, jolly guy. Couldn't catch up to her. He had to pick someone on the track team. Yeah, he had to pick someone on the track team because he's a dum-dum. So he pleaded guilty to a charge of abduction and in 84 was sentenced to 3 to 15 years in in prison however he qualified for shock probation and was released after serving six months of his sentence um it was his five-year term of parole was terminated what the fuck yep his probation officer said he no longer needed supervision. He was good now. Six months? Yep.

Then September 12th, 86, a 19-year-old female student at Hocking College in Nelsonville was taking a shortcut by walking the tracks to campus on her way to a final exam. And she passed a short man standing near the trestle bridge where the tracks go through a city park. You know, a troll. Right. They exchanged a greeting greeting and even though they didn't know each other she said hi he said hi after she passed him she started to walk faster and heard his footsteps um then she heard the words say good night baby and chester swung a tire iron and struck her in the head oh my god but she had turned around and the blow didn't

completely knock her out because it kind of caught her on the top of the head. Chester grabbed her arm, but she was able to pull away and escape. She went to the hospital, reported it. And a week later, he ends up being arrested with charge of felonious assault. He said, well, your honor, I'm sorry this had to happen. I just lost it. Which, you know, I'm drug dependent anyway. Seems like I can't go a day without, you know, anything.

I have blackouts, you know. When I get so high, things, you know, I just lose track. Oh, boy. Now, they get him in there and they go, hey, Chester, did you kill these kids? And he went, I did. Yep, I did it. Oh, my God. Yep.

He said a heavy weight has been lifted from his shoulders by this is that right yep uh the cops said they were skeptical because you know they can't be wrong obviously but then the hocking county sheriff's office said quote he came in and talked to me for a little while and he kind of had doubt and everything and i told him to call the sheriff's office and see if there was a double murder. And they found two victims in the cornfield and in the Hocking River. So he did and came back and said, they'll be up to see you Monday. And when I did that, it was just a million pound weight lifted off my shoulders and everything. It was just a whole different feeling.

He just wanted to tell. Yeah, they said, well, why didn't you come forward till 26 years later? He said a lot of soul searching, mostly tired of running and hiding running and hiding and you know an innocent man was still being blamed for the whole thing and i felt that you know it was time to come forward i mean innocent of that yeah um so they fuck uh they said that what ended up happening was cooper Cooper, that's her whatever, Johnston, Annette, and Todd visited the home of Kenneth Linscott to buy some weed is his story. And his family was just very angry that anyone says that he was going to buy weed. But that's what everybody says, and he's a 19-year-old kid. Who cares?

It was 40 years ago. Who gives a shit? So who cares? Yeah. It doesn't matter. It wasn't doing anything that wrong. It's stupid. So they said that McKnight was also inside the home and another guy named Kevin Tex Myers, who has been died since then.

They were all there. I guess Tex Myers had been making sexual advances toward Annette. God damn it. ordinate god damn it now the couple seemed to have been at um i guess they left the house under the pretext of partying with lynn scott and chester mcknight mcknight though the whole time had planned to rape cooper and kill and kill todd if todd objected to it or rape annette he's already in he's like i'm gonna rape i'm gonna rape her and if he has a problem with it i'll just kill him so um he said that um it was a party is what he said that day he said every day was a party day this is chester he said how uh i knew

he got high i knew he drank who didn't talking about uh todd he said it was like me going over there to see what was going on to go to the party house and there were a few people there drinking smoking you know so i just joined in i went in and started to party with him and everything just started working out real well he said though tex there was spoiling the atmosphere so he kept trying to come on to annette so chester the molester said in an attempt at gallantry and in an attempt of impressing Annette, he said that he told this guy to stop. But I guess Tex wouldn't stop, so Chester pulled out a.22 and put it to Tex's head. At that point, Tex took off. He left.

He's got a gun put to his head. So the four of them, McKnight, Linscott, Annette, and Todd todd go down to the river to party and smoke weed um mcknight will say chester the molester will say then one thing led to another and yeah so they wanted to go party by the riverbank and one thing led to the other he said that he made sexual advances toward annette which made todd angry quote and then things got out of hand here's his quotes of the whole thing i just finished my beer. This is about text, too, is how he confronts text. I just finished my beer.

And so I thought that I would go into the kitchen and fix me a double shot of Jack and a beer. I mean, when you're done with your when you're done with your beer, you got to have a reload here. Double and a beer. Yeah. He said he saw text in a net and they seem to be arguing. He said he thought he had ties to Annette, but on the day it happened, he was over at Kenny's and that after a while I was watching him slither gleam in him like he wanted to hurt her. So he said he asked if there was a problem. Chester said that Nanette maybe should leave, and she did. Tex got mad, threatened Chester.

Chester said that you're going to pay for what you did, and Chester pulls out his gun, puts it to his head, and he says, you want to see how this works? Get lost. And he also says, quote, I was ready to put him down because I was trying to impress her by taking up for her. Now, as they started to leave, Todd and Annette, Chester said, do you want to party a little more? Todd said, sure. Annette was like, not really.

But she said, OK. So they walked down the embankment. She's behind them looking a little pissed off. So they walk down the embankment. She's behind them looking a little pissed off. So they left. Kenny called back. Lynn Scott called back to whoever else lives there and said, we're taking off to get more beer.

And that's his wife. And he said, I couldn't figure out why they were walking to get beer. There wasn't any place to buy beer within walking distance. But there was a car in the parking space. Why didn't they just take the car? So they walk down the alley. They do all that type of shit. They stop in the tracks to light up a joint.

But I guess something made Chester stop. He says, we was just going to party some more. I mean, you know, there were some people out there in the backyards and stuff. And, you know, we just didn't want to be seen. So they went to the cornfield. They'd have more privacy, is what they said. Chester tried to keep it going. He said, quote, I was sitting around kind of teasing Annette how cute she was.

And, you know, after all, we smoked a couple of joints. I asked Annette if maybe she was looking for some fun. When she said no, that's when I tried to make her feel guilty about me saving her from Tex. Like, you owe me. I deserve a blowjob in front of your boyfriend because I just stopped a man from flirting with you. Fucking, wow. He said, we was just talking, joking around, and then the joking started getting serious, and that's when it started getting more hectic. Now, he said that his idea was to pull a train he wanted everybody should fuck a net is what he said so todd got angry um

said no and i guess todd tried to physically stick up for for his for a net and stick it the fuck away from me and tried to kind of start a far a party and a farty and a party and um chester said quote i just said to hell with it i pulled the gun out and shot him and she started screaming so i shot her oh my god he said i guess i can say the drugs and alcohol kind of did the thinking for me i just kind of flew off the handle i always carried a gun a 22 caliber he said that uh um todd was shot six times and then and that was shot as well chester um they decided they couldn't leave the two dead bodies there so they went back to the house to get some tools then they dragged the corpses through the cornfield holy shit um they then stripped them so they could dismember them

though not before chester masturbated over annette's dead body what in the course yeah why not um he called it a rush from seeing her body he said quote this is disgusting quote it was a really it was really a waste of a good piece of meat is what he said what the fuck man um yeah um he said the action to dismember he goes that wasn't because i wanted to dismember me just i just wanted to be harder to find the bodies he said also though quote i didn't just kill them but i took it to the steps of a madman i butchered them that's what he said you jerked off over a child man no she's an adult at that point but a dead adult i don't care if she's 80 she's a fucking adult that's or she's a dead it doesn't matter if what it's gross yeah she's still

a child in my mind too so uh she said kenny held the limbs the limbs while chester cut them off they tossed the torsos in the river. There were more cutting wounds on Todd's body than Annette's. Part of that was due to the difficulty in carving him up. He said, quote, I was just, I was getting tired. That's what he said. He said, though, he was especially angry at Todd because if Todd had just been more accommodating, maybe they could have all had some sex and nobody would have had to die.

That's what he said. Yeah. I am shocked. He cut off Todd's penis and stuffed it in Annette's mouth as well just because he thought that was funny. Oh my god. Yeah. He said when it was over it was over. He left the

area. Left all of that. He told Kenny to take care of the rest. He claims not to know how the bodies became buried in the cornfield he said kenny just fucking did it all himself um yeah i i oh my i would hate him so much if he left me with that kind of job to do then he said quote this is chester the molester i've been thinking about that ever since it happened. Really, it was on a whim. Really, it was on a whim.

They said, is this because you was like a humiliation thing with women? They're trying to find the psychological thing. And he said, it's possible. You know, we can all speculate. Who knows? I'm crazy. I'm just kind of wacky. So he was serving a prison sentence for unrelated convictions anyway.

So he's indicted on four counts of aggravated murder, two for each victim. Two of the counts alleged that the murders were committed with prior calculation and design while two committing while two were committing or attempting to commit rape as well. So he's got a fucking this is a disaster at this point in time so um the court comes up he pleads guilty chester does says what he does you sir may fuck off two life sentences hey stick around a while lynn scott pleads guilty to because he testifies against chester he was the catalyst for all this he pleads guilty to abuse of a corpse what he is released from jail in less than 10 months less than 10 months are you fucking kidding me oh my god he's uh he's just as i mean they don't solve this without him so i get it but jesus fuck at least maybe five years ten years what do you oh ten months ten years 12 12 to 15 something nope

chester in prison said that yeah he regrets it he said quote i would have never come forth if i didn't i would have just left it the way it was because my outdate was 2017 so he's like i was almost out of prison he said yeah he said hearing about the pain and suffering he caused really wears on him he said matter of fact the whole city of logan was really up in arms they didn't know what was going on matter of fact they changed halloween you know it's nothing to laugh about and i'm 54 years old and i caused a lot of shit yes i did and it's time to put it all to rest you know i can't bring back the two victims only thing i can do is bide my time being incarcerated. I apologize to the

Schultz family and I apologize to Dale Johnson and his wife and everything, but I'm just glad they didn't request a death penalty like the citizens of Logan's did Dale, because I was expecting to go to the trial and for them to not even try to make a plea bargain. My attorneys talked to the prosecutors and the prosecutors talked to the Todd family and everything. And I just thank God they didn't treat me like the people of Logan treated Dale for this. That's because they don't have any evidence except him talking. And if he stops talking, they have no other corroborating evidence. So you take a plea and they're happy to get the plea out of him.

So holy shit. He said, wow, this is wild. Quote, I was just like a cloud floating in the sky, but now I want to be a cloud floating in the sky. Now I want to be known as a person that shows respect, you know, and I also get respect from the corrections officers and other inmates. They've got other things to worry about than me causing trouble or anything because a dorm holds 126 people and you know i look at it this way if i could just stay out of the way that's one less person that they've got to worry about he said he's trying to be a positive influence on younger inmates he said it's like this i tell them i've done ruined my life that's what he says they don't

need to go out and do the same stuff hang out with the people they hung around it's time to change friends it's time to change locations and they have to and they have to and everything because this place ain't it this ain't the place to be no shit it's prison uh not the place to be holy hell what is wrong with this guy he said my life was a disaster i've been drinking since nine he said like my grandma, like my grandfather always said, I always just pissed in the wind, pissing in the wind. Uh, that's a, that's a, that's a different Bob Seger song. Pissing in the wind. Pissing in the wind. Every hillbilly colloquialism. He's got them all. Absolutely. all absolutely he does he said i had an uncle when i was growing up who always told me i was never going to amount to nothing i guess he's right

he is up for parole in 2037 when he's 79 years old when he's 79 but he says he's he knows he's not getting out for this he said quote don't worry i'm not getting out i probably won't even make it but i mean you know i've been in and out of prison most of my life and it's just like my attorney told the columbus dispatch i'll end up dying in here yeah you carved up two children you son of a bitch you what the fuck man dude i mean the good news is he did expose a child molester to an entire community. That's true. But the problem is he's made us root for a child molester. Yeah.

You're worse. I don't care for that. You're worse than an actual murderer. Yeah. I just don't care for that, sir. I'll be real fucking honest with you here. I don't like what you made me do. Yeah. I don't care what you've done to the rest of the world. I don't like what you made me do. Yeah, I don't

care what you've done to the rest of the world. I don't like what you've turned us into. Not cool. You've made me feel bad for a man who hurts children, you son of a bitch. Oh, god damn it. Because it's like, well, I mean, he didn't cut their arms off, I guess. Like, what a...

Jesus. The parsing you have to do when dealing with cases like this you know he left children alive to go deal with the cause cause damage that he's doing but he's still a piece of shit no shit so in 2013 kenneth linscott dies so good he died at the free man oh free man. Oh, free man. Hocking County Valley Community Hospital. The word prison isn't in there anywhere.

Right. Yep. The author of the book. By the way, the book that I was reading some parts of, especially the description of the murder, talking to Chester, that's a lot out of the book. That is called Guilty by Popular Demand. And it's by Bill Osinski. So Bill Osinski there um he bill osinski the author said it's a shame that lynn scott took his lies to the graves with him um because he said that uh he seemed to pride himself on beating the system with and with some

good reason he got away with murder for more than 25 years sure did and then did six months and got out right so now johnston wants to sue the state for being in fucking done death row for years at this point. And this is the assistant attorney general saying, quote, Johnston already unsuccessfully brought a wrongful imprisonment action arising out of his criminal convictions. This case seeks a do-over, and Johnson's attorney calls it a monstrous inequity that happened that we need to correct. Johnson was wrongfully imprisoned and that it's necessary to preserve the reputation for justice that the Ohio courts have elsewhere earned. That's what they said. So he's working around as a construction worker and later as a handyman, and by this so he's working around as a construction worker and later as a handyman and by this point he's in his 80s um in 2010s he was living quietly with his new wife roberta on a two acre plot

he has a big garden he said if i'm able to get everything that the state says i'm allowed to have that's still an insult when you figure what i was lost what i lost yeah yeah it's also you also diddled a kid so right more than that so you probably should have been in prison for a while anyhow that's the thing they should have they should have gone well i mean yeah not you should get a few bucks for serving it on death row and not in prison but they should have said yeah that amount of time in prison is about right for fucking a kid don't you what do you think dale but what do you say we make a deal and call it even on yeah on that when you molested a child you bastard um so 2020 and by the way the governor in 2017 kept trying to fight wrongfully

imprisoned people getting money it was not up for that at all it's like no if you if you put someone away for years you owe them something i'm sorry that's just that's crazy scumbag or not that's yeah that's not okay you got to get that shit right yeah you got to get that shit right and you know what what the motivation for getting it right is getting sued for millions of dollars is the way you go let's get this shit right yeah that's that's a check and a balance that's both of those a check to balance your shit now in 2020 uh the this ohio there's a fund that gives out money to exonerated people in 2020 they gave out more than 4.8 million to eight exonerated ohioans who collectively served 87 years in prison

wow uh dale johnston who served obviously six years on death row and then 87 years in prison. Wow. Dale Johnston, who served, obviously, six years on death row and then more time in prison, he got $775,000 in 2020. Four to eight. He got the lion's share. He got a bulk of the money. Yeah, I think because he was on death row, probably. Okay, yeah. Yeah, it was only eight of them, so eight times. it's close yeah that'd be half a million per death row gets you a couple extra

bucks probably yeah so chester the molester from what i can understand is still in jail and still alive kenny's dead tex myers is dead the guy who tried to rape annette initially uh dale i couldn't find an obituary for him but he was 48 1982 so that would make him a solid 90 right now or an 89 90 years old 80 89 no he was 42 that was 40 years ago 42 80 yeah that would make him that would yeah so that would make him 80 years old 82 years old so he's from what understand, he's still alive. I haven't been able to find an obituary for him. $800,000 for an 80-year-old man is pretty good money. He's probably going to last a while. Yeah, that's not too shabby.

He can put that into it. I don't know whatever happened to Michelle. I do know that the younger sister, I do know that Sarah, Annette's mother, was eventually, I don't know for how long, but she ended up in a psychiatric institution for a while yeah kids killed husband put in jail is that everybody she can't go to the bathroom without people going don't go in there the murderers in there yeah meanwhile she lost her kid which is terrible but she also acknowledged over time that she said the cops told her that hey you're still on the line for a bunch of shit so don't fuck with us because you're on the on the hook for a bunch of you covered up his

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