Small Town Murder - #373 - In Colder Blood - Murdock, Nebraska

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

This week, in Murdock, Nebraska, a horrible & bloody scene is discovered, in a rural farmhouse. The victims are pillars of the community, with no known enemies, so police turn their attention to a nephew, who had a minor disagreement with the couple, and they even get a confession. But... was it true? Was any of it true, or is it all made up? And if it isn't true, then there are some sick people out there, that needed to be caught! A very crazy story, that needs to be heard, all the way to the end!!Along the way, we find out that a "Little Tuggers contest" is something that exists, that not all confessions are created equal, and that everyone involved in a murder is just as responsible as anyone else who is involved in a murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to get it correct so get in there get in there join up also there's the book club thing now we put up books to read everything and do that. Now, disclaimer time. Like we said, we're comedians. This is a comedy show. Nothing about the story is made up for comedic effect or anything like that. There's nothing funny about the actual murders. The thing that's funny is everything else around it. Make fun of small towns.

We make fun of the idea of someone going, I think I can get away with that. What? And then having a terrible plan. That's funny. I'm sorry. So dumb. Make fun of the idea of someone going, I think I can get away with that. What? And then having a terrible plan. That's funny. I'm sorry. So dumb. Make fun of that idiot. That's the recourse we have as citizens here.

So that's what we do. But what we never do, what we go out of our way not to do, is we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we're assholes. Yeah, but? But we're not scumbags. There you go.

That's how that goes. So if that sounds good to you holy hell do we have a just a crazy wild story for you uh if not if you think true crime and comedy never go together then oh man maybe this isn't for you but for everybody else out there let's see here what are you doing here i know what you're doing you're picking out an avocado right now or maybe maybe a maybe a melon i don't know what's right you're knocking on the melon you're picking out an avocado right now or maybe maybe a maybe a melon i don't know what's right you're knocking on the melon you're knocking on it knock on it put it up to your ear listen then when you make sure someone's looking at you after you knock on it and listen to it

look at it like it's a person look deep into its melon eyes and you shout shut up Shut up and give me murder. And then you have the whole produce section to yourself. That's how that works. And you get all the good melons. And you get all the melons. That said, Jimmy, let's go on a trip, shall we? All on Z.

Let's get it on. We're going to Nebraska here. Okay. Middle America, baby. As middle as it gets. Straight in the middle, yeah. Straight in the here. Okay. Middle America, baby. As middle as it gets. Straight in the middle, yeah. Straight in the middle. This is Murdoch, Nebraska.

And it's M-U-R-D-O-C-K. Not like Murdoch. Yeah, like, I don't know, Murdoch. Like a Mur and a Doc. Murder Doc. Like you're importing murder. Everybody, is the new murderer in this morning? It's coming in from overseas.

Let's have a look-see. Come on down to the docks of Nebraska. If you're from overseas, you don't know why that's funny. It's because Nebraska is the most landlocked place on earth, maybe. There's nothing. It's impossible. It's impossible to get to water from there. So this is in eastern Nebraska over there by where it seems like eastern Nebraska is

kind of where the population is. And then western Nebraska really thins out as you go. Nebraska's on the river, right? On that Mississippi? Is it? No. Not the Mississippi, no. No?

There's a whole other. There's a whole other state there. There's like Iowa and shit between that. Yeah. But here we have have this is outside the half hour 35 minutes to lincoln which is a terrible place if you want to go there 46 minutes to omaha which is also a terrible place but very nice people it's a confusing motherfucker that if you talk to 10 people eight of them will tell you warren buffett's house is

around there and they'll show it to you if you'd like them to they're very friendly but you're like you have nothing else to show me but that i'm leaving and then they'll give you their address for when the world series isn't that's how kind they are yeah college face they are yeah they actually did that we were like thank you but uh come stay and it's 15 minutes to alvo new mexico which was our last or not new mexico nebraska which was our last nebraska episode was The Devil's Gift, the name of that one. This is in Cass County, C-A-S-S, Cass. Area code 402. This is a deep story, so we've got to go through this kind of quick.

The history here, it was established in 1890 when the railroads extended here obviously that's it it was named after a rock island railroad official oh so not a lot of organic history of like you know people started a town and then you know it got bad they got a newspaper and this time some churches opened up no not like that they just said this is a good place where we're loading unload shit yeah name it after me. All right, bye. And then put his hat back on and got back on the train, and that was that. So not really all that special.

But reviews of this town here. Let's see. A couple of reviews of the town and a couple of the county in general. So if you want to get an overview. Reviews. Here's four stars. Great small town community with a lot of opportunities for children to excel in areas where they would not be able to participate in a larger school i guess more

more one-on-one time they probably have more less kids the more stuff you can do with the kids that's right usually uh teachers are very involved in the extracurricular sports and music programs okay so that's good so it's like you an old timey small town, all hands on deck. You know, that's nice. Four stars. I like that Murdoch is a small town where everybody knows everybody and bad activities aren't really done in Murdoch. Well.

Bad activities. Well, that covers a lot of ground, Chief. It sure does. That's vague. Well, we don't know who you are so from your perspective bad could be you know smoking crack on the street and carjacking old ladies or bad could be they're listening to that devil that devil music like we have no idea they're dancing we don't know what's is this the footloose town who Who knows? We don't know. That is arbitrary. It's really subjective.

Yeah. So three stars. It is a decent town to go to school in. Of course, the population is very small, so that means my high school class is only 25 people. Whole class? That's like, yeah, senior class, 25 people, or junior class. Holy. 25 people.

Of course the teachers can do all the extracurricular. You just need one teacher. You can take care of two teachers can watch everybody in the whole high school. That's crazy. Yeah. It's 100 kids. Holy shit. I guess you have one teacher per subject, and you just go to each class with each person.

You just stay in one room, right? 25 people. Have the teacher come in and out. Have the teacher switch. 25 kids are going to walk from one room to another? Teacher, you come in and out. I like that guy. Yeah.

You're done. You leave. Tag in the next one. He comes in. What are we talking about? Yeah. That's just a matter of just logical. Why make us move when you can?

Easier to move one than 25. You stay put. We're good. Holy shit. It is a safe environment, and most of the people are very friendly and willing to help. I don't know with what, but they're willing to help. So that's good. As long as it's not bad activity.

Well, you never know what that could be, too. So helping out with a bad activity. Now, these are for the county, Cass County in general here. Here's three stars. These are very specific to one thing that must have blown this town's mind that a grocery store opened. Three stars. Just recently, we have received a Hy-Vee, which is a grocery store. Hy-Vee.

And business is booming booming exclamation point everyone everyone would rather shop at high v than at local grocery grocery shops in the area so yeah it's again going back to logistics it's better to just go to one place than several and three stars though so i don't know if he likes this or he doesn't like this or he's indifferent about it but three stars here's two stars here it's not very good because once the high v opened no this is why this high v has just it's dominating the area it's really making headlines it's holy shit you wouldn't think just opening a grocery store is really gonna change everything but apparently goddamn jojo potatoes causing a saint fuck man fingerlings are just

because once the hyvee opened everyone in town got a job there and it's the only place they wanted to work okay well if it's they wanted to work there then that's good that they got a job there right it's a good thing if they go it's the only place to work that sucks but that's a problem if it's the place they all want to work maybe it's a decent job i don't know maybe that's why we've all been clamoring to work at an amazon fulfillment center thank god one opened yeah if someone yeah a lot of those people left their other jobs in town to go to high v so the other businesses were out of people. Well, that's called capitalism, where if they want to go to a— What should they be doing?

Fucking chained to this job? Sentenced to work in this place? You must work at the print shop on Main Street until you're 48 years old. Like, you can move and move around if you want. Is the Hy-Vee better paying? I think that's what it is. If they left a great paying job to go work for minimum wage and iv then yeah be pissed a lot of supermarkets are

union jobs so maybe that's right it's too so you get benefits and who knows we'll see people here population 227 okay that's what i mean this is yeah that's this is why a grocery store can blow the whole thing out of proportion here. A few more females and males. It's about average. The median age here is 39 and a half, which is close to the average. But the strange thing is it says there's zero people from 18 to 20 years old in this town. Zero.

None. They all left. How did that happen? And then 21 to 24 is 3.2. So as soon as you turn 18, you leave this town is what it looks like. Absolutely, yeah. That's the thing here. And all the kid demographics are low.

They're all low. There's a lot of old people. 65 to 74, 18% of the population is 65 to 74, which it's usually 7%. Right, that's high. Tells you a lot. Yeah, 85 and over three times the average it's it's an old town an older town here you leave at 18 and fail in lincoln for three years and come right the fuck back that's what it is well go to omaha i that's

it's so close to the other towns too that you could go there but i feel like this is a town where if you go and you stand in the middle of Main Street at like 730 at night and you just are very quiet, you hold your breath for a second, you can just hear tons of rocking chairs on porches. Just a quiet. You can hear the teapot boiling. It's like crickets some places. You can hear that. It's 63% married, so it's going to be – it's more of a family place. Very few people are single with children here as well.

Yeah. The race of this town, not very shocking for a rural town in Nebraska, but 96.8% white. And the rest of it is two or more races. And there's 0.9% Hispanicic so there's like two people literally three people maybe that are hispanic in the whole town and uh that's it so uh religion here 34.7 percent of religious so it's under the national average because we've seen this a lot with these older towns. People get older and they're like, get the fuck away from me with that shit. It's enough. I'm old.

I'm rotting. I'm going to die. Put me in the ground. They don't care anymore. So it's a fixed income. You can't have any donations. Nope. And it's spread around pretty good, too.

There's Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, some other 0.0 percent Jewish, though. It's no Jewish people in this town. Some other 0.0% Jewish, though. That's no Jewish people in this town. 30.9% in the last election voted Democratic, and 66% voted Republican, and the remaining 3.1% were independent, which is high. Right. It's a high independent quotient there. The median household income here is $57,000 a year.

That's not bad. Slightly above the national average, which is good. Thank you, Hy-Vee. There's a lot of farms in this area. It's a lot of farms and big stuff like that. And the housing is actually low. Median home cost here, $322,000. So it's actually not that bad compared to some of it. And that's because they're large properties.

Acreage is what a lot of these properties are. There's not a lot of like half an acre, three bedroom, two bath, 1,500 square foot houses here. So that said, if we've convinced you, damn it, you have some corn to grow and some wheat to wheat, we have for you the Murdoch, Nebraska Real Estate Report. Real Estate Report. All right here, what do we got? Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for $990. Now, I don't know if that's probably a house, though. I doubt there's a lot of apartment complexes when there's 227 people in the whole town.

There aren't any houses. These are for like right around the area. In the town proper, there's no houses for sale because, I don't know, they're probably just willed from generation to generation here. There's 200 people. There's 200 people. So, yeah, that's like 70 houses probably in the whole town. People aren't moving here to find houses. If they live here, they already got a place. They got a spot, yeah, and it was their grandpa's.

Right. So here's a two-bedroom, one-bath. It's kind of a shitty little house, I'm going to be real honest with you. 1,215 square feet. There's a one-bedroom. That second bedroom, there's no bed in it. It's kind of a little office at this point. It's not good, man.

The second bedroom has multiple outside doors outside doors on it what which is really weird unless it's not good you're not good i don't know if they put a had a porch on it or some shit it's really fucking weird but 150 000 for this okay that's i don't understand why it's overpriced here's a four bed one bath which is that's old school yeah that's uh yeah the revolving door on that bathroom. Jesus. Yeah, you got three kids in one bathroom. You're never getting in there.

That's five people in that house usually, probably, right? I would think, yeah. 2,576 square feet. There's plenty of room for another toilet, people. Let's do this. Bolt one on. But it's really cool, though. It's like a farmhouse, and it's very quaint.

Put it that way. It's a very quaint one. It's on some acreage. Just shit elsewhere. Yeah, it's okay. Maybe there's an outhouse that I'm not seeing in the pictures. I'm not sure. $399,000 for that.

That's a pretty good deal. So that's not terrible, actually. Then here is the... Oh, the gem. No, it's cheesy. At least least the the farmhouse has like personality charm yeah it looks like it's that's nebraska you know what i mean it's gotta get some charm to it this one looks like a big you're rich and we you know want a nice house so we built you this we cleared every tree from a lot and built you this fucking shiny piece of shit. That's what it looks like.

It's a manufactured fucking beauty, I guess. I don't know. Three bedroom, five bath, T-Bolt for each and every b-hole. It's 4,625 square feet. It's big. Only three bedrooms and 5,000 square feet? Yeah, yeah. This is made to not have a lot of kids here i guess it's it's very

boring it's got columns and shit there's there's a bar in the basement it's a douche house it's a douche house you know it's uh it does have and this is pretty cool a portrait of a horse up there that really reminds you'll see it it reminds you of the sopranos that the horse picture that's just what it looks like pie oh my so um nice basement it's a big basement uh tons of like intricate landscaping that looks like you have to hire like four people to do it painted the ass manufactured fucking yeah like you've achieved something yeah nine hundred thousand dollars for this that's a lot yeah and it's it's not worth it fuck that place things to do the plattsmouth Things to do. The Plattsmouth Harvest Festival.

Plattsmouth. Plattsmouth. Plattsmouth is what it is. Entering its 92nd year. Holy shit. It's the oldest continuous harvest festival in Nebraska. Remember? Just the other day.

Qualify it with the continuous. Well, remember just the other day we were saying, which is the longest running Harvest Festival in Nebraska? And you were saying – you said it was the one – I thought it was elsewhere. Yeah. Yeah, and so did I. It's a length one. We were both wrong is what I'm getting at.

So it's really good that we get this now because we would have never known, you know, all you Harvest Festival trivia heads out there. They said, fun for the whole family four-day event begins with the coronation of the king and queen on thursday yeah gotta have that king corn king corn or king wheat king gluten uh friday there's a kitty a kitty parade which i don't like the sounds of like that it's not up all the kids have them walk down the street have all the adults look at them that's just weird um there's a pep rally that's strange for a town i guess the whole town is yeah why not a talent show this is my favorite thing i've ever heard of the little That's the greatest thing ever.

What the fuck is that? Come on, guys. Come on. We're trying to be mature, but we're only human. You can't call it that. Little Tuggers. What does that even do? I don't even know what it is, but it's a little Tugger contest. So see who does it the best.

I don't know. Quickest on the draw. Little Timmy McGee, everybody. Well done, little buddy. Timmy's only nine, but he's masturbating at a 12th grade level, and we're real proud of him. The mayor fucking gives him a big ribbon. A big soggy ribbon. A big soggy stained ribbon. Little Tuggers Contest.

Is that like Ookie Cookie? Remember that game? Oh, yeah. God. It's got to be. Maybe. That's what it is. Last place has to eat it.

I don't know what's going on. Horrific. There's also a car show in case the kiddie parade in the Little Tuggers Contest doesn't turn you on. We got that for you. Then there's bike races, music and entertainment, contests, and of course, the grand parade. No, the grand one. There's 227 people here. How grand could it be if all participate?

No one's there to see it then. Who are they doing it for? Who are they doing this parade for are they doing parade for empty streets for nobody that'd be wild so you have to it's different um there's a breakfast a horseshoe tournament a tractor pull a community picnic uh blacksmith working wood carving there's a quote foam zone okay i thought that was a little tuggers contest that's what i mean i think that's i figured that's where it would be that was earlier there's also mutton busting and extreme bull riding i don't know what that oh extreme bull riding it's where it's where the bulls are on

skateboards you see yeah and we and we do it in a half pipe i I was going to say, you don't sit on the bull's back. Right. You strap yourself to its udders. You sit directly on his horns and see what happens. It's extreme, man. It's a two-man rider experience. Jesus, fuck. Blacksmith, the outlaw truck and tractor pull. Okay.

Then there's a hypnotist after that to wipe all this away you forget you didn't see the little tugger contest wipe that from your memory because that's gross black that out of your fucking head yep done um band in the beer garden and that band is going to be drunk monkey oh all right drunk monkeyunk Monkey, everyone. Sounds like probably the best one that they can pick. Yeah, it's probably the only band in town. There's only 200 people. A bunch of high school fucking guys there.

There's also Figure Eight Races. There's a band at the track, I assume, by the Figure Eight Races. Those are the Ghetto Busters. Okay. I don't know what the deal with that is. There's barrel racing. Dueling pianos will be going on as well. Oh, thank God.

It's a lot of stuff. There's a cartoonist. It's so much stuff, Jimmy. Mini golf. This is the most elaborate fucking festival ever for 200 people. 200 people, yeah. It's incredible. They got to be hoping to draw some people from Omaha or something because this is crazy.

I'm not sure. But crime rate, I do know here in this town, the thing we're interested in. God, that is just a crazy festival. That's so much. I want to walk around. Yeah. I want to see exactly. I feel like it's being pumped up for more than it is.

I feel like the parade is like three cars and like, you know, Miss Murdoch is waving and like the mayor's fucking with his walker trudging along. They got to put all this shit together because otherwise it's a 10-minute festival. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 200 people. This is five days long, this festival. Holy shit. It's five days. This is like all year probably.

It's go time, people. Come on. All hands on deck. I kind of want to take five days off and go do this with you. I know. It sounds fun. If our choices of staying somewhere weren't Lincoln and Omaha, I might go with you there. I did find a trucker hat for you, though, that I'm buying and taking you to. It says, this actually is my first rodeo. How about, and last? Is that on that tape?

how about and last is that on that tape because that would be more accurate you could make it real accurate if you do it we'll write that on there and last uh crime rate in this town yes uh property crime less than half the average as it should be there's 227 people it's not a big mystery if someone's stealing your shit. There's no way you can. There's no mysteries here. Chet, why are you stealing my shit again, goddammit? Jesus Christ. Every time I turn my back, you son of a bitch.

And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime. Also, well under half the national average. It should be zero. That's what I mean. You're going to get caught. I mean, how the fuck are you not going to get caught? If there's one event, this place is a nightmare.

It absolutely is. And speaking of nightmares, this is a nightmare. Let's talk about a murder, Jimmy, because, oh, my goodness, God, this is the the the cruelty, the incompetence, cruelty of murderers, incompetence of police. Oh, boy. The whole story has it all. It's really just if there is a murder and they're going to fuck it up. Right. There's no way they're getting it right. That's what I'm saying. Well, we'll see how poorly this went, though.

That's what I'm saying. Well, we'll see how poorly this went, though. This murder reminds everybody of almost a copycat sort of situation of In Cold Blood, the Sherman Capote story. It's very similar, like to the point where you go, huh, that's really, wow. Was someone making a point here, or what's the story? But we'll talk about it here. 1968, let's go back to. That's not when the murder takes place, but that's when we'll start talking about a couple of folks here and tell you about their life um as of 1968 let's

talk about a 20 year old man named wayne stock man boarding 48 48 s-t-o-c-k stock all right that's right wayne stock that's that is a very middle American name right there. Name's Wayne. There's no way to fuck that one up. Nope. Name's Wayne. Wayne Stock. It's just boom.

He meets a woman here when he's 20. He knows her for a while, but he gets married in 1968 to a nice young lady named Charmin Linda Drake at the time. She'll be Charmin Stock after a while when they get married. She's 17 at the time, just about to turn 18. They get married and they have a

very nice life, actually. It's a real nice life. She comes from her very nice family. Her parents are Arthur and daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur P. Drake. They're so middle American that her mother doesn't even have a first name. That's how middle of the country they are.

And he fucking uses that middle initial. You betcha. Mrs. That's it right there. And his parents are Mr. and Mrs. Willardstock. So Wayne Stock from Willardstock Mrs. Willard Stock. Yeah. So Wayne Stock from Willard Stock there. Yeah. Willard and his stock.

So they're married August 17th, 1968. This is how small the town is. The newspaper has like a full description of the wedding. Yeah. The bride's gown was of white satin, floor length, and accented with lace appliques and seed pearls. They covered the wedding. They got a guy there writing shit down. What are those, seed pearls?

Okay. And he had a notebook. Wow. Think about that. That's how little goes on in this town. It's just go down. Someone's getting married today, I hear. Go down there and cover it.

See if the bride's wearing an ugly dress. If it's pretty, write it down. That's a damn good reason to get married in a small town just for this. Oh, yeah. It's a New York event. It's like it's like it's like a mob boss's kid getting married or something. That's how it's covered. Yeah.

She had a white satin train and a crown of seed pearls. The flowers were white. Gladioli. Is that how they're said? Gladiolas? Yeah. And big, I think multiple would be gladioli probably. There you go.

Yeah, I think that's why it's gladioli. White gladioli and big yellow mums in a basket at the front of the church. The bride carried a cascade of yellow roses and white carnations. She wore a bracelet once worn by her great-grandmother. They interviewed her, too, and they were like, what's that bracelet all about? She's like, it was my great-grandmother. She's like, alright, hold on. Great-grandmother.

Let me ask you about them shoes. Like, wow. Then after that, they went on a three-week honeymoon to Tampa. Three weeks in Tampa. If we can survive that, honey, we can do anything together.

We're going to be together forever. She came back blonde, bruised, and fucking hates roosters. Fucking goddamn roosters. Why do I have bruises all over my legs, Wayne? Why? Maybe the rooster pecked her. I'm not sure. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the

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I'm Wayne Stock and I sell hay and grain. I'd buy my hay and grain from a man named Wayne Stock. Wouldn't you? He's got good stock there. Absolutely. They're known as a typical Nebraska farm couple. That's what they are. Hard working, pie cooling on the windowsill kind of people, for lack of a better fucking visual there.

So they end up with three children, Steve, Tammy, and Andrew. And they have four grandchildren out of that. Wow. So they're up with three children, Steve, Tammy, and Andrew. Yeah. And they have four grandchildren out of that. Wow. So they're very excited. Wainstock was very active in the, I did not know this was a thing that existed, the Nebraska Hay Association. Oh. You're a member of the NHA, right? Aren't you?

The Nebraska Hay Association, I believe. Did you renew your membership this year jimmy they're gonna kick you out the n-ha i called the president and all right all right good as long as you called you gotta give me an extension on that okay good good pay your dues jimmy pay your dues association hey association where wayne was once a, he was on the board of that. Wow, they got a board. Well, yeah, you're associating. Someone needs to be in charge of that.

He was also a former school board member. And his wife, though, Charmin, was one of 15 children. What? That's some farm shit right there. That's some farm shit. We need help. Let's go. Pump them out.

And she was also a former teacher's aide for the Manly School District. And she has like a small at-home wedding cake business. She makes wedding cases. Yeah. Or wedding cases, wedding cakes that she makes. So they're very, very involved in the community. Everybody knows them. They either buy their hay. Their hay or their

cakes are coming from these two. They're both real into the church as well. You know, be very strong Christian people and they both are caregivers for their elderly mothers as well. Wow. Both as well. Wow. Both his.

But yeah, both their moms are elderly and they take care of them as well. His cousin. This is Wayne's cousin, Jim Stock. OK. Nobody's going to be named like Alejandro Stock. You know what I mean? It's Wayne. Jim.

That's Bill. This is Frank. I don't like Jim Stock, though. That sounds too close to Jim Sock. Jim Sock. Yeah, he got called Jim Time. He's still dead. So he said, they're always there to help you if a person needed help.

They had good hearts. If somebody was sick in your family, you could bet Charmin would be at the door with cinnamon rolls and a cake or something. That'll make you feel better. Wow. Every time. That is so nice a woman named reneea panska she says sharman's her best friend closest friend uh she said that there's probably a dozen other women in town who consider sharman their closest friend as well

because that's how nice she is uh fun and thoughtful uh said she's really just a fun loving person said she always had these minor mishaps happen to her and she always told the fun and thoughtful. Said she's really just a fun-loving person. Said she always had these minor mishaps happen to her, and she always told the stories in such a funny way. So she's like a little farm comic. That's cute. A little farm comic? Yeah.

Just the worst luck. Listen to this. If only we could have got her to, like, a comedy club in Omaha or something with her farm dress on going out there telling farm yarns and shit, but her funny, that'd be great. I'd love to see that slipped on a on a buffalo chip yeah man i think dressed up nice i think they'd be good good stuff there uh one of the stories is the time she made a wedding cake and put it in the trunk of her car on the way to deliver it she got in a car accident oh no that's not it's all over the place so the cake arrived all fucked up obviously at the wedding venue yeah and her friend said she's able to pull it together

and make it look nice she could just see how things are supposed to look oh nice she's very nice and this town is this uh family's big in town too there's a lot of stocks around and also cousins of the stocks and yeah there's a lot of them uh it was linda stock who was obviously related uh she said quote shake a bush and a stock will fall out it's such a close-knit family shake a bush and a stock will fall out a gym or a something there's a tony around here somewhere somewhere probably not a lot of tony's in here actually yeah i think there's they're not an anthony you don't think hey anthony where's anthony yeah there's definitely a bill stock what's he doing he said he was going to get an eggplant parmesan what was that 20 fucking minutes get the fuck out of here. That place is fast. Ant-Nay. I see a lot of that. Ant-Nay!

Calling across the farm. You don't hear a lot of that out the back door of the farmhouse. Ant-Nay! Ant-Nay! It just doesn't happen as often as you hear. Wayne! Seems more common. So they're upstanding, as upstanding people as you get.

I mean, when you talk about like, you know, middle of the road, nice. And so nice. Salt of the earth. This is the, yeah. They give a shit. Exactly. So April 16th, 2006, we're going to fast forward to. My Christ.

So they have grandchildren. They've been married 38 years grandchildren three kids successful hay business that now andrew is their youngest son has involved he's involved in that it's him and his dad and his dad's been trying to tell him like hey you got to learn how to keep the books here because it's going to be your business someday i'm not going to be you know i'm not going to be selling hay forever here. What do you think I am? I mean, Christ. I'm trying to build a nest of hay that I can lay in. A nice hay nest that I can feather my hay nest. Yeah. There we go. So April 16th, 2006 is Easter Sunday. Beautiful. It's so weird

that Easter's coming up right now. It is. Not thought of at all when the episode just happens to work out that way sometimes. So Easter Sunday and the stocks here, they hold an Easter get-together for the family at the farmhouse. I don't know. Apparently there's a bunch of people there. This includes cousins and nephews and, you know, it's a gathering. Yeah. The stocks. All the good stock is there. So it's a gathering yeah the stocks all the good stock is there so

um it's a big party it ends about 10 p.m um at the party is like i said a ton of people including a nephew of theirs because there's a little there's kind of a little bit of a kerfuffle at the party about this nephew is kind of upset and they're upset with him and so this doesn't seem like a family where a lot of drama occurs you're probably right yeah they probably all get along they're all helping each other so it's hard to well they're just they're just not i don't feel like these farm people i feel like there's they're short arguments that are a few words these are like wayne sounds like a man that doesn't mince words and and you know. Probably fixes whatever the situation is pretty quick.

Yeah. Now, listen, I got to talk to you about what you're doing. I don't appreciate it. And I'd like you to stop. I'd like you to stop. That's it. And you go, all right there, Wayne, I apologize. And he goes, well, just come on now.

Don't let it happen again now. All right. All right. And that's it. We turn it away and they go, Andy, we're going to talk to you. So at the party is one of the nephews here he's 28 years old his name is matt livers l-i-v-e-r-s matt livers got the easiest names they're great for me here i like this i wish they would donate to this god i was gonna say none of these people

unfortunately donate to our patreon so you can't get to pronounce Livers in stock. So Matt Livers is Wayne's nephew. Yeah. And he's got a little bit of a beef here. By the way, he's got a 63 IQ. Livers does? Livers has a 66.3, which is almost 10 points lower than Forrest Gump. Somebody's trying to choose today.

Yeah. It's somewhere, and it's measured somewhere between 63 and 68. Oh, boy. But different tests. So he's had a little bit of a tough time, but this guy's got a fiance. He's doing something. So according to the people here at the party matt livers wanted the stocks to allow him to move into their home because his maternal grandmother lives there

lauren uh lorraine stock who is wayne's father or wayne's mother that's his grandmother okay so he said i want to move there where my grandmother is. And he apparently everybody said that he had been saying that he eventually hoped to inherit the house if he stayed there and waited for people to die off. Eventually, four other kids, man, that's not you. They have three, three children and four grandkids. So you're not getting the house. But there's seven in line before you. Sorry about it. But also, if you have a 63 IQ, you might think if I move in and then they die, then I have a house because I'm in it.

Okay. You might not think of, I don't know if you know about, well, actually, how the inheritance goes. We're going to talk to the lawyer and get into some real. You just go, well, I'm here and they're not, so it's fine. Yeah, I guess it's my house now. So Wayne and other relatives here were not into this though they weren't cool with this and they were like no no you're not moving into the house matt you know sorry about that the family said no um and some of the family said the

reason why they said no it wasn't just because they didn't they could tell him you can stay here but you're not inheriting the house but they they said that he had been, what they quoted from other family members, a leech on the family. He'd been a leech, and they didn't want him living with his grandmother because he kind of stressed her out. So that's, you know, we want to keep this farmhouse peaceful. Also, everybody working is how they earn things. Everybody works hard. If you're taking stuff, that ain't how it works. Yeah, and on the farm things. Everybody works hard. If you're taking stuff, that ain't how it works. Yeah, and on the farm, everybody's working hard.

That's, I mean, how it works here for these people. So now Wayne is one of only two children. Wayne, and he's got a sister named Barb, and that is Matthew's mother. Mom, yeah. That's Matt's mom. So Wayne has also controlling interest interest being that he's the oldest child he has controlling interest in his mother's property also which is adjacent to their property so it's one big giant property so i don't know if matt just thought if i just stay there and

then everyone dies i get all these properties we don't know so and if you don't know much that's a pretty easy conclusion to get to. Yeah, you might mistake that. So Matt currently at the time lived in a rental house in Lincoln. He was recently laid off from his job as a security guard and was currently unemployed. Doing great. Yeah. So not not exactly living the high life here. He is engaged, though.

Yeah. I don't know how that's possible, but which is something here. Engaged, though. Yeah, I don't know how that's possible, but all right. Which is something here. So that party breaks up about 10 p.m. Everybody leaves, which is, I think, late for an Easter farm party. Is it? I mean, yeah, it's Sunday.

Yeah, Sunday, and it's at the farm. I feel like everybody would be in bed by then. Right. We've got to get up early. People are just leaving. So the next morning, April 17th, his wife, his mother-in-law, Wayne's mother-in-law, Gwen Drake, she calls Andy Stock, their son, Wayne's son, and tells him that Charmin hasn't been at her house yet. She's supposed to come over because she comes over to take care of her. She gives her food and does all that shit. So she said, hey, where's your mother? I'm waiting on stuff here.

And so Andy goes, I don't know. I haven't heard anything. I'm doing hay stuff. I have no idea. This hay keeps you pretty busy. Yesterday we were up until 10 p.m. So maybe that's what it is. Yeah.

So he said, I'll go over there and check on him. I'll find out what's going on here. So he goes over and he walks in the house and he goes over and he goes to Wayne's house, Wayne and Charmin's house. And he walks in and notices that things are a bit amiss. Something doesn't feel right in the house. And then he walks upstairs to his parents' bedroom and he finds out exactly what feel right in the house and then he walks upstairs to his parents bedroom and he finds out exactly what's wrong in the house and it is absolutely horrific up there i mean you want to talk about a bloody scene really it looks like if somebody you know

cut somebody open to like bleed them like somebody a deer, but instead held them by the ankles and just spun around in a circle. And fucking that's what this place looks like. There's matter all over the walls. Oh, no. It is horrific. They decide, and he runs out, calls the cops, obviously. So they decide that these murders, they're both murdered here, Wayne and Charmin. Really?

Absolutely. Were committed with more than one shotgun. Think about that. Multiple shotgun attack here. They've been shot at close range. Both of them shot in the eye, by the way. Oh, my. Which a shotgun at close range in the eye, I don't know if you know what that'll do to to your head but it'll put it all over the wall is basically what that is so i mean even if it's if it's shot or if it's a

slug yeah it's gonna pull things apart man either way it's gonna be absolutely horrible um the the blood was just everywhere i mean they said the scene was just you couldn't even in a horror movie you'd go jesus all right that's overkill. You know, that's how, that's how much it was where you go, eh, you know, clean some of this up,

take it down a notch. It looks like we, that's what it is. Um, they decide this is quite the medical examiner of timeframe here that the couple was shot sometime between 10, 15 Sunday. Cause everybody left at 10 sometime between 10,

15 and 9. A.M. Monday. When is, when Andy showed up 10, sometime between 10.15 and 9 a.m. Monday when Andy showed up. When was the last time I was seen? When did he find him? Sometime in there. Sometime in there. Great, great. That narrows it down to, you know, 11 hours. Terrific. Good job. So, yeah, both shot in the

head and body with two different shotguns. Headshots were close range. Apparently, from the looks of it, Wayne Stock attempted to confront whoever came in. He's more than one intruder if there's more than one shotgun. Most people can't wield two shotguns.

Yeah, and you certainly can't fire them two at a time. Even if you're strong farm stock, that's going to be tough to do that. So, apparently they're a shot. They imagine this is the first shot because of time even if you're strong farm stock that's going to be tough to do that yeah so uh apparently they're a shot look they imagine this is the first shot because why would you do this after the person was pretty much you know headless uh he was shot in the knee with the shotgun which is extremely painful that's yeah terrible uh there appeared to be some kind of struggle because by

the way everything works out between between Wayne and this intruder. Now, apparently they this is what the cops imagine here when they're putting it together. The crime scene investigators that it seems like possibly while there was a struggle going on over here. Yep. Intruder B comes over and fires into Wayne. Oh, Jesus. And, you know, yeah, makes it an unfair fight. 4-10 shotgun it is, they're talking, in the direction of Wayne.

And then they believe possibly the first intruder, because it was that shotgun, shot Wayne in the back of the head, killing them. Then they turn their attention to Charmin. Oh, Jesus. killing them then they turn their attention to sharman oh jesus who is sitting in bed and shot her in the face right in the eye close range lord with a shotgun so to walk in and find your parents in this state is that's horrific man wow i mean this is these are mild mild-mannered hay people this isn't like you know this isn't the wire where they're expecting to find their friend splayed out on a car hood with cigarette burns in his face because he was keeping the guy who robbed the drug dealer's location a secret. Like, that wasn't, you know. Nobody goes, Andy wouldn't walk into that room, see that, and go, that's all in the game. Like, that's not how this shit works.

This isn't supposed to happen on a farm. the stairs yeah hey shit i'm the farmer fuck i better run so the um they said that um whoever the also the police said whoever was involved in this appeared to have known uh not only the layout the house, but possibly the Stock family's activity patterns, such as what time they go to sleep and that sort of thing. So they think this is an inside job. And what room they would be in, right? Yeah, it's kind of whoever did this would know their patterns, you know, wink, wink, someone in their family probably.

So they said they concluded that two people were involved, though, because of the two different types of shotgun ammunition on the scene so um immediately as you can imagine in a town this small this doesn't happen oh god the panic if there's a murder it's and there's no murders for years and years and years but if there is a murder it's like some two drunks at a bar some guy stabbed each other or maybe maybe some you know uh wife shot her fucking drunken abusive husband in 1948 or something like some shit like that it's not this this is somebody a different thing in a fight over a bad farm deal and there's a shot yeah there's a shotgun or some sort of farm implement yeah a hoe he's gonna gonna show you a fucking hay fork what a hose are all about yeah corn raking them so the uh the cass county and nebraska state patrol

all of them are involved in this uh they are under wild amounts of pressure i mean this is like yeah town folk gathering out in front of the police station yelling and screaming type of pressure that you need to fucking find who's none of us can sleep because this is even in 2006 nobody locked their doors in this town this is a this is a 227 people in the farms i mean it was that type of thing so they're like you we are freaking the fuck out um and center of the country landlocked you're you're there are no foreign fucking uh issues here for sure this is going to be a panic of something inside i doubt it's like a isis attack or like

you're not worried where's bin laden we haven't found him yet we think we think we know where he is he's in Nebraska. So in the newspaper, the Lincoln Star Journal, too, not like the little town newspaper, huge headline, family mourns the loss of two pillars of the Murdoch community found shot in their home. And listen to this. I mean, this will give you the newspaper coverage really gives you an idea of, like, how the feeling of what was going on around there. Newspaper coverage really gives you an idea of like how the feeling of what was going on around there. It says a rural Cass County community reeled with grief and anger Tuesday while homicide investigators continue to probe into the lives of the well-known Murdoch family. Little additional information was released Tuesday about the shooting deaths of Wayne and Charman found Monday morning at their home about two miles west of Murdoch. The couple was shot sometime between 1015 and 9 a.m.

Cass County Sheriff Bill Bruggeman said evidence suggests the couple was awakened by the perpetrator. Both were found dead on the floor in an upstairs bedroom of their home. He said Wayne Stock was seen first and rescue squads found Shannon or Charmin Stock was on the floor behind the bed. Oh, dear Lord, she was hiding. She was hiding, yeah. So they knew that she was there. Yeah. That's what that tells you.

The sheriff said he didn't think the deaths were work of a transient. Okay. So he's saying this isn't a passerby. This isn't a hitchhiker. He said, I don't think it was somebody running around killing people. We have no reason to believe that at this time. So they said they're interviewing anyone who might have been in the area, which includes probably all 200 people in town. Yeah.

Because they interview sometimes for a really big homicide case. They interview 500 people for that. So you could interview everyone in town. They said, including farmers, neighbors, a newspaper boy, everybody. No signs of forced entry, they said. And they said it's common in these rural places to not lock their doors. And he said it's unknown if anything's been taken from the home. They said we're looking for anything, tips, leads from citizens.

Please just give us anything. We need help. Help us. Is it Sheriff Bruggerman? Bruggerman, yeah. Sheriff Bruggerman. It is Sheriff Bill Bruggerman. It's alliterative, too.

Jesus Christ. So Bruce Stock, Wayne's cousin Bruce Stock. One syllable names, everybody. Jim, Wayne, Bruce. One. Said a lot of friends and family are gathering for support and uh he said it's pretty surreal to say the least and then jim stock says i think everyone's holding up pretty well it's just something you don't expect in a small town like this in nebraska no doubt that's the whole idea they said they have the community has no idea why somebody would commit such a heinous act and they said it's it's bruce stock even brings up in cold blood actually the

truma capote book he brings it up and he goes that's that's exactly what it's like it's far too similar yep he said um and then jim stock said we're hoping they catch whoever did it yeah very good understatement of the year i. Now, they have no real motive here or anything like that. They process the crime scene, and when they do, they get a couple of leads here, a couple of pieces of what could be evidence, including something they don't believe probably belonged to Wayne and Charmin's stock, a red and silver colored fucking bowl a weed pipe oh so unless wayne was you know popping a little weed weed pipe in there and nobody was

looking which i doubt smoking on hay while he's growing that's right just hanging out of his mouth like a like a sherlock holmes also a silver colored led flashlight and a ring. Oh, and on this ring, there's an inscription. Oh, there's always a fucking inscription. Always stop inscripting things.

Uh, love always Corey with a C C O R I Corey and Ryan. And it says that none of these items, according to the family, belong to Wayne and Charmin stock. I mean, maybe the flashlight, but definitely not the other two things. And you got a Corey and then you make it even more significant with fucking Ryan. Yeah. Yeah. With Ryan. So Corey and Ryan love always Corey and Ryan.

So now we have two names to look for and go on anyway and something there. for and go on anyway and something there so they look around and they're trying to figure out if maybe they can get any biological material for dna analysis off of that because nowadays they do touch dna so it's you don't need blood or hair all hair yeah a ring's a good one it sits on your finger for a while hugs you yeah so they uh the they transmit these items to the sheriff's office they don't immediately process them for DNA, though, for some reason. I don't know why. People are losing their motherfucking minds in this town. As each day goes by, it gets crazy.

The sheriff is literally going to the newspaper telling people, assuring them that they're safe but to take precautions. I mean, the whole town shuts down. And you can't tell me you're safe but take precautions that tells me i'm not fucking safe i'm not safe yeah and they said now everybody leaves their outside lights on all night now whereas before they never did windows locked dead bolts being bought from the hardware store and all that kind of shit it's a you know it's like harry and the hendersons and everybody's going to buy the rifles it's that sort of shit It's like Harry and the Hendersons when everybody's going to buy the rifles.

It's that sort of shit. So Bruggerman called for people to remain calm but take precautions. And he said, because we don't know who did this or why they do this sort of thing. So until we find out, y'all want to be careful. Now, April the 19th, two days after the murder, they have a big candlelight vigil at the Ebenezer Methodist Church. April 20th, there's rumors spreading here's another problem with the town there's rumors spreading that there's been an arrest oh okay so a news truck and a camera crew from omaha show up and they have a big deal and they show up and they're like let's see it where's the arrest here and they're like, let's see it. Where's the arrest here? And they're like, the hell are you talking about? What arrest? No arrests have been made. So they pack up their truck right back to Omaha. Well, nothing else of any noteworthiness in this town. No, we said the sheriff needs rest. Yeah.

The county and state patrol people here, they interview a paper carrier, a paper boy, who reported that he saw a light brown or tan four-door midsize late model sedan with a flat tail lens. Flat. What is that? Maybe it's got tape over it, like people put red tape or something. A flat. Oh, no, no. Maybe it's not a bulbous one. I don't know.

Whatever. Whatever. Something. A flat tail. Oh, no, no. Maybe it's not a bulbous one. I don't know. Whatever. Flat tail lens parked near a fence between the stock's property and the adjacent cemetery. There's a cemetery on the other side.

Maybe like a Honda Accord. You know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe. Something like, I'm not sure here. He said it's a late model, so somewhere around that era. They also said that the car had, this guy, the paper boy said the car passed him at a high rate of speed in the vicinity of the home. The paper boy didn't say that.

No, the night before, somebody said this car had passed them at a high rate of speed in that area. So same car, but paper boy in the morning, late at night the night before. So it's in that area. Same car, but paper boy in the morning, late at night the night before. So it's in that area. So they determined that by, I guess because it's a small town, they figure out that this car must be a 1998 Ford Contour that they know somebody in town has. Okay. So I see.

Straight across. Oh, one of those. Yeah. I know what it looks like. I know too now. It's the long tail light that's those. Yeah. I know what it looks like. I know, too, now. It's the long taillight that's flat. Flat, yep. Good way to describe it. It's confusing.

So apparently there's not a lot of cars in this town that fit the description of light tan or brown with that taillight. Right. So with that many people, you can go look around and go, well, there, that fits it. That's the only one we can find. So they do. That's what they do. And they find a car belonging to someone named William Sampson.

Okay. William Sampson. Willie Samp. Willie Samp. Now, he's got a brother named Nicholas Sampson. Okay. And Nicholas Sampson, he is friends with matt livers the nephew okay so they're like that's interesting so they get the will sampson's consent to search and seize the car he said yeah

sure because i guess his brother had borrowed the car that night from him so he didn't know now on the evening of the 17th morning of the 18th so that's the day of the murders the day after the murders um for about four hours they bring in matt livers okay um and they talk to him and um they do this interrogation in a patrol car by the way which is perfect great procedural shit there um they do this in the middle of the night also, four hours, terminating the interrogation at 3 a.m. Oh, my God. From 11 to 3 in a car? 3 a.m. in a patrol car with somebody, which is not a good setup for an interrogation.

Even to get information, it's a terrible setup because you're not even facing them, number one. You get your back to them. You're talking to them through your mirror even if you bring them in the front seat you're still turned in a weird way and he's it's it's very bizarre so uh on the morning of the 18th they uh they get hair and saliva samples and get fingerprints from him and from samson and all that shit so everybody's got it all and he uh they agree to submit to a polygraph determination examination as well yeah so they're going to do that now the search of the car of the ford contour here they thoroughly swabbed inside and out just looking for any sample of anything so this is a this is a thorough invest like you know look over the car all wiped

down and this isn't even by the cass county thing this is the douglas county csi which is a bigger county so they bring in a bigger agency for this because there's a lot of pressure to get this shit solved um the examination yielded no blood evidence no trace evidence no other evidence whatsoever to connect this car to the murders. Nothing. You're going to have your car back. No, they keep it impounded. Oh, okay.

Just in case for some reason. But they have no physical evidence in this car that it was connected at all. Nothing. So they hang on to it anyway, though. They put it in the City of Omaha vehicle impound facility. That's where they take it. That's where it is. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our

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Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So April 25th, 2006. It's not too far now, nine days. Yeah, a week after. Back to Matthew Livers here, the nephew. Now, Livers said that, you know, the Sampson guy, by the way, was not at the party. The guy who had the car wasn't at the party. But Livers was at home and say, we'd like to talk to you again.

Talking about, you know, the murders of your relative there and all that kind of shit. He said they said he was nervous, but he agreed to accompany the police because he said he wanted to help in any way solve the murders that had occurred in his family's community. So he's all on board Joe community here. So they interrogate him now he's 28 years old but he has like we said an iq of 63 oh my which is uh intellectual functioning below 99 of the population that is that is yeah that is so very below average in terms of intelligence. Not a bright guy at all. Would you say functioning dum-dum? Well, he is called, I don't know, dum-dum, I guess.

Medically, he's called in court documents mildly retarded. So that would be because IQ-wise, that's what the medical term for it is. Don't fucking blame us. So he's not real bright and in addition to that he has no criminal record never had any exposure to he's never been like interrogated by detectives before or anything like that he's just kind of a an innocent guy in terms of his demeanor and everything so he is a special education student always throughout school um he also in school they had on his records,

he suffers from low self-esteem and low confidence and all this type of thing, as one would when your IQ is 63. He said he's also a very compliant person who is far more likely than others to go along with whatever you tell him to do, pretty much. It's just kind of the way he is. They said he has the vocabulary skills of a 13-year-old, though, which sounds low for a 28-year-old man,

but actually, that actually... If you're a 13-year-old, dude, they'll insult the hell out of you. They're great. Yeah, but vocabulary skills and shit, not their fucking wise-assness. Sure. Okay, yeah.

Not their personality, just their vocabulary. Their vocabulary is still not the best. It's not an adult. But it is the same words for the same things over and over and over again. Oh, exactly. But they said that the fact that he's at least has a vocabulary of a 13 year old helps mask his kind of low functioning a little bit also because his vocabulary is slightly better than his intelligence. low functioning a little bit also because his vocabulary is slightly better than his intelligence. So they said, though, he's definitely has limitations, obviously. But 13 year old vocabulary aside. Yeah. If you're sitting in a close proximity to this person and getting in an in-depth, hours long and terror, you know, interrogation scenario, you're going to notice that this guy is, you know, he's not real.

It's a Brendanndan dassey situation you're gonna look at it and go he's not really all you know all on the level as far as none of this yeah none of the information we gleaned from him matters this isn't kind of this isn't fair basically like he doesn't know what we're trying to do he thinks that this is you know he thinks he's gonna watch wrestlemania later. Right. So there you go. So they but they still focus on livers here. They're like, listen, Matt, you're the one who had a no one else in this town has had a disagreement with Wayne Stock in the 58 years he's been alive. Right.

You're the guy. You had one that night with him in front of people. Then he's dead your friend has a car that matches a description of a car seen speeding by and then in the next morning you know something matt and we're going to talk to you about it here so uh they sit him down they you know put him in the room it's a their interrogation room's a small cubicle windowless obviously table couple of chairs an interrogation room and And so he's there. He doesn't ask for a lawyer, so he's got no legal counsel.

I assume they read him his Miranda rights, I would hope. So over the course of the next 11 hours, they do an interrogation on him. 11 hours they get this guy for so and um and these guys kind of know what they're doing and they're they're trying to elicit a confession from them they want a confession we they're not like trying to find information they're this is 11 hours of we know you did it just admit it yeah we need you to say it because uh we're not good at this anyway yeah yeah no shit we're not real good at anyway. Yeah. Yeah, no shit. We're not real good at this.

So, well, they have no evidence, so they need a confession. So during this interrogation, this long interrogation, he denies being a participant or anything in this murder 102 separate times. 102? 102 times, he says, and never did anything. Okay. He never did like the, you know, because they asked him like, well, you know, do you think it would be okay if somebody did this? Or what do you think should happen to the person? He never minimized it.

He never did any of that. He was like, well, that's terrible that my uncle was murdered. That's awful. You know, like he was, you know, not doing anything like that. He said that the murderer should get the most severe punishment possible. He did all that kind of shit. He, you know, they then, he had no, because they were asking him about stuff that happened in the crime scene.

Well, why was this over here? And he didn't know what they were really talking about. Why was this over here? And he didn't know what they were really talking about. They eventually get him to say that the pipe and the flashlight are his. Oh. They go, just say that's yours. And he goes, yeah, okay, those are mine.

He incorrectly describes the color of the bowl. Okay. So incorrectly describes that. Incorrect incorrectly describes the color of the flashlight as well and um then they start talking about shotgun shells they don't get him to say he murdered anybody but they start talking about shotgun shells and he describes shotgun shells of a different color than the ones that were used in this in here so So also they say, you know, how do you think someone would get into the house? And they got in through a window

and he says something else, which isn't the way that that is. So he will admit that stuff is his, but then he doesn't know anything about them. You know what I mean? So that's not great. Also, he told them that he hadn't eaten breakfast or anything before they took him in, and they didn't give him any food or anything

for 11 hours, which isn't great. You can't really do that. Then he also said it was cold, and he said, could you turn the heat up, or could I have a blanket or a jacket or something? And they didn't do anything about that. But they do say after five hours of this they go let's take you down for a polygraph what do you say yeah okay um so this is before he's even saying that the weed pipe or anything is his so they administer the polygraph he says okay he'll do it um they tell him that the polygraph is foolproof and they also tell him he conclusively failed the polygraph. Okay, and it's perfect. Foolproof, you failed it, it's a perfect test, and you failed it, mister. So you are guilty of these murders.

Obviously, yeah. So then they became highly aggressive because they're really on him, and that's when he said that, oh, okay, yeah, okay, the weed pipe, yeah, that's mine. I guess maybe if he thought he admitted to that they'd leave him alone or something so yeah so they uh they also attempt to he keeps denying and denying and they tell him every time he denies it they'll go that's just another line of shit man don't give us this shit matt what are you doing why are you doing this they kept telling him that and they kept telling him everything you're saying it's just bullshit we'll sit here till the end of time because we know you're lying okay so they said you'd no choice

but to confess to the crime then they tell him as a matter of fact we just got this paper back from the lab that you won't know how to read because it's you know horseshit uh it's just numbers on a page but it's just code this paper we got back from the lab said physical evidence connects you to the crime scene mister that's right there's blood that was on your stuff and oh boy you're in you're done for now now we got physical evidence they don't have anything by the way this is just a bluff they have nothing they just have his myspace code page that's it this is just a bluff but this is legal it's legal for cops to bluff. Sure.

That's because if you get caught bluffing, then they're fucked. Well, if you didn't do it, yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. Well, the thing is, if you say, we got your fingerprints all over that place, and the guy knows he wore gloves, he's going to sit back and smile and go, do you now? Right. That's interesting. Yeah, you can go fuck yourself because you don't have shit and you're lying. So that's one of those. So the police now there, they tell him that he's going to receive the death penalty if he doesn't confess.

Oh, like, look, we'll go easy on you if you confess. But if you don't confess, you're getting the death penalty, period. They tell him that, quote, the one guy, the one officer tells him that he's, quote, going to do my level best to hang your ass from the highest tree. You are done. I will go after the death penalty. I'll push and I'll push and I'll push and I will do everything I have to to make sure that you go down hard for this. Then he said, your ass is on the line. You are on the line and you're in the frying pan right now. Okay.

and you're in the frying pan right now. Okay. Which is all very common interrogation tactics if they have someone who they think can be pushed around. You know what I mean? That's what you want. And he said a lot of cliche, hang your ass from a tree. Absolutely, hang your ass. It's a lot of threats, though.

Yeah, it's a lot of threats, and this guy seems scared, so the threats work. So if someone seems scared, keep threatening them. That's kind of how it goes. Poke the wound. They tell him at one point, they said, listen, you can get some leniency. We'll promise you some leniency if you confess. He said, look, quote, you cannot hide from this.

OK, right now we're waiting and waiting on. He said, listen to me and listen. Well, this is the chance for you to save yourself this is potentially a death sentence no lie okay so if you're involved in this then you can save yourself right now so he's good cop listen i want to help you okay never mind this guy yelling he's angry but wants to murder you me and you are going to work this out together though let's let's i'll get you know what hey hey come on let's go outside for a minute but i'll take my guy outside then i'll come back me and you will talk and you know i'm going to help you i got a leniency i got a a tree crew

out there cutting down all the tall trees don't worry that's it don't even just the tops of them not a tree over what are you five five not a tree over five three in this entire town won't be able to do it mister mister, I'll tell you right now. So that's kind of what's going on. He's trying to make friends with him and be a good cop. Plus, they're telling him, like, look, the point of you saying you didn't do it and all that, all that's over. We know you did it. So it's just a matter of you getting the death penalty or not now.

So let's help you not get the death penalty. Okay? Okay. So, you know, he said, you can save yourself. And so, and also, he started to think that Matt was even, the words he was saying were essentially like Brendan Dassey, like basically, if I confess, I can go home then, right? Oh. You know what I mean?

And so he was under the impression that if he just said, yeah, I did this, then he would be able to go home and leave there. It's crazy that they can get people to think that. No shit. So then also they said, Jesus Christ, they said at some point that many people are in similar positions have tried to outsmart us and failed. Yeah. So tell you what, Matt's response is response is quote i'm dumb as a brick like i'm not trying to outsmart you guys i'll never be able to outsmart you

yeah he's like i wouldn't even try because i know how stupid i am why would i try to outsmart you bricks outsmart me all the time i i you know how many bricks i've run into? And then they laugh at me. At one point, they ask him if you consider yourself a man, Matt. And he nods. And he goes, well, if you're a man, then stand up. Stand up for yourself. Stand up to this. So Matt stood up. God damn it.

This is what I mean. I'm telling you that he's like of low intelligence and going back. These are the exchanges that are happening for 11 hours. Then you need to stand up, Matt. And he just stands up. And they're like, no. Like metaphorically, stand up. Do it from the chair, though.

Medically? Wow. God damn it. You can't do this to this kid that's wild so after more denials and more denials and more denials then the cop said quote if you don't admit to me exactly what you've done i'm gonna walk out this door and i'm gonna get the prosecutor to make sure you get the death penalty and blah blah blah blah blah so um there from all of this, he goes, okay, fine. I did it. Yeah, good.

I did it then. So Matt just says he admits to it, okay? So he – but they can't – they say, okay, tell us what happened. And he doesn't have a narrative for them. Now, also, he's not that bright, so a narrative for him, narratives are hard to put together. Sure, yeah. Telling a story is not easy.

That's why, like, a monkey can't tell a story because there's a certain cognitive thing that, as it goes up the food chain, intellectually it gets better and better. It can peel a banana, but it can't tell you anything funny about it. Exactly. It's not going to tell you a funny story about how they peeled one, slipped on the peel, and then somebody else. That's not going to happen.

So they ask him at one point, the truth is you got a gun, right or wrong? And he says, right. Yeah, I got a gun. You got a gun. Yes, I do. So of all that, they said, well, you couldn't have been alone. Nope, you're not alone in this. How could you possibly be alone?

You're definitely not alone. There's two shotguns used. So who were you with? He's like, oh, I wasn't with anybody. And they were like, you were with somebody. Who were you with? So he said, my cousin, Nick Sampson, he was with me. Because that's the only person he hangs out with.

So he's the only person that even could have done that. Now, Nick Sampson is the guy who's the brother of the guy with the car. So now they're like, okay, parts are coming together. We're getting somewhere. So they said, tell us details. We need details. Now, the problem is, too, they told him, like, all about the autopsy reports, all about the crime scene.

He knows everything that's happened. He's read everything in the newspaper because he's been out in the street until now. So they said, tell us exactly what you did. Tell us how you shot her in the face. Tell us all of that. So he said, quote, I put the gun to her face and blew it away. And then as I headed out, I just stuck it to him and blew him away. Okay.

Well, we know that didn't happen. His story is shot her first and then was like, oh, yeah, get him on the way out real quick. So then he told police that he and Samson had been driving a tan car that night, the Cont um and a witness had said that obviously and also he said that yeah we got it car we got the car washed that morning at 5 30 in the morning so the detectives come out and they go he got the car detailed at 5 30 in the morning that day that's an awful odd coincidence mister yeah which they had to explain why there's no physical evidence in the car. Exactly, yeah. So they did that. So they ask him questions regarding the crime, and he would answer yes to everything. Did you do walk in and do this? Yes.

Now, when you're looking at, like, false confessions, the number one thing you're looking at is do they have a narrative, really? Yes and no's are not good for this. Yeah. You need details. You need shit that's irrefutable that that's why police hold certain details of the murder back so that that's they wait for if someone's confessing they can use those details they're the only person that would know that that's how they know they're telling the truth but instead they give him all these details and then ask him if they're true or not ask him yes or no questions yes um

they uh they gave him they talked to him gave him the details about the positioning of the bodies the positioning of the perpetrators the location of bullet wounds on the bodies the uh location that they assumed where the perpetrator's car was during the murders and even the sequence of shots fired that they thought so uh when they would uh it was very interesting here so he implicates his cousin nicholas sampson and him and uh they immediately charge livers with murder two counts of first degree murder and they go pick up nick sampson who's 20 21 years old He moved here about a year ago, Nick. Yeah. He's related to Matt, but not related to the Stocks.

Got it. Other side of the family. Other side of the family. So he rented a one-story house on B Street. It's kind of run down. And neighbors said that he loved to ride his motorcycle up and down the street, Nick Sampson. He shared the house with at least two women who were in their mid twenties. Good for you.

He's got, he's got a real three's company, Jack Tripper situation going on. Good for you. Yeah. With a motorcycle. This kid's a swing. That's why he's got it.

Which, which chicks on the back of his bike depends on the day. Oh, Nick gay. Go pick up at me. Bring them over. This is going to be a party. a party so uh he says that they were uh they were there were no strangers no weird people one neighbor said there was no parties it

was always just him and the two girls yeah i don't want anybody over here i'm fucking this up i got a coming over in my in my fucking situation i got going on here. Jesus Christ. Come over being better than me. Yeah. No way. So one of the residents, Olga Livers is her name. I don't think you could. That's a rough name. That's not easy.

She's an older lady at 2006, so she was named. But Olga Livers is tough. It's pretty ugly. It's tough. So her son is married to Wayne Stock's sister, Barb. So that's how the Livers kid

is in there. So Olga here has said that Matt's always been a good kid about Livers. I can't fathom how this happened, she said. They announced,

hey, we arrested these kids. He grew up in this area. His parents moved to Texas for several years before they came back and lived in Lincoln. He's a hunter and a trap shooter, though, livers. That's one thing. A very good shot. So the next day, April 26th, he says, I don't want to confess anymore i want to take all that back that never happened that stuff i told you okay i'm recanting so they do that they inform

wow he says that everything he said during the interrogation was false and um you know it was he would never commit such a crime he doesn't know how he said that it's not true and all this they videotaped this as well uh this whole thing now the evidence searching the farmhouse they searched the farmhouse the outbuildings and wooded area for for days and don't find any of the weapons used in the shooting the uh cass county sheriff bill brugerman again he's he said that some weapons were recovered after a search of matt livers and nick sampson's home and vehicles but they're also both into hunting and trap shooting and all that shit so also shotguns you can't trace to the fucking

source of the wound which is helpful for them yeah that's the thing for the cops they like that at this point because you can't that can't discount it also they've got a shot you got a shotgun they're killed with a shotgun that seems right he said at this point we're hoping that they may be connected to the case these guns so then it comes out that the suspects this is a omaha world herald huge bold fucking headline suspects were at funeral for fuck's sake you guys oh yeah livers and samson uh they're arrested they say they were at the funeral uh livers introduced stock to his longtime girlfriend and told him they were planning to get married next year because he talked to jim he said here's my him they were planning to get married next year because he talked to Jim. He said, here's my girlfriend. We're planning to get married. Jim Stock said, quote, at the funeral, Matt and I shook hands and he was shedding tears and grieving like the rest of us.

I've seen Matt over the years at a number of family reunions. He's a happy-go-lucky kid. I've never seen him angry. Yeah, that's interesting. So he said, it's hard to believe and hard for us to understand what his motive was. So they're like, this makes no sense. Maybe there wasn't one because maybe he didn't do it, you guys. It's senseless. So is everybody happy now that everybody put so much pressure? Are you all happy, Murdoch?

Are you happy now? No, they're not, is the answer, by the way. Really? Well, yeah, there's a headline here for murdoch uh for murdoch arrests hit too close to home so there's a lady here that says this is angie frisell who's the murdoch postmaster she said a lot of people were scared just plain scared thinking someone would burst through their door and shoot them. And she said, but this is worse because it's family. Now it's worse.

Now it's worse because it's family. They said, we've known the Livers boy and the Samson boy since they were babies. So this is terrible. And, you know, oh, my God, it's the worst thing ever. So they said she went on to say this is going to be more painful. She said, I wouldn't believe this of either one of them she said then she started crying and said no no no so this is a very small town when some kids you're not even related to you're crying over them because you remember them as babies

so um she said she started to hear rumors last week that livers might have been involved in the shootings remember those rumors? That was the rumor. She said, but I didn't believe them. She said it just doesn't fit the boys that she remembers playing in the neighborhood. It just doesn't fit. She said that livers always struck her as a kind-hearted, generous kid, nice kid, not that kind of person at all. They said as a teenager, Samson would often go to the roller skating rink

and the guy who ran it said at the roller rink, Nick was never a problem. Just a good kid. Not even cutting up at the roller rink. Where you fucking cut up. Where you go to cut up. Yeah, none of that shit. They said that everybody was just, they didn't understand

it. They said one person said, it looks like to me that four people's lives have basically ended. And they found no criminal record at all for livers and Samson has convictions for traffic offenses. Okay. So neither of these people are like violent criminals to begin with. They're not hardened murderers for any stretch. Yeah, but also you got to start somewhere is the other thing. That's another good point.

Yeah. Everybody's got their first murder that's a murderer. They all do. So the whole town just said, well, we hope we can get through this. This is terrible. You know what I mean? So Bruggerman said the family members were told of the arrests and he said there was some relief and some hurt. I'm sure it bothers them that someone related may be involved in this as far as the stocks it's a good

family so early may 2006 here douglas county forensics investigator christina gabig uh traces the ring remember the inscribed oh yeah cory and. Traces the ring found at the scene to a Walmart. By the way, that ring had rolled under the stove. That's where they found it. It was under the stove. But there was not a lot of dust and shit like that, so they thought it was just put there. It was traced to a Walmart store in Beaver Dam, Wisconsin. Oh, that's a long way away.

Where it had been purchased by Corey Zastrow. Hence the Corey. Love Corey. Yes. So she gave it to her boyfriend, Ryan Krenz. Hey! At the time. After they broke up,

Ryan kept the ring. It was in his pickup truck, which was stolen a few days before the murders. That is convenient. Yeah, that's interesting, right? So they said that the investigator here was familiar with the ring because they had taken the stolen vehicle report. And he said, also, my ring is in there. So it was on the stolen vehicle report. Love always, Corey and Ryanyan it said on there and um you know they're looking at the whole thing

looking into that so they found that uh he left it in the glove compartment or the center console he couldn't remember it was a dodge ram pickup truck the truck had been stolen the night of april 15th going into april 16. Outstanding. 24 hours before the murder. And he said the people he thinks stole it are a couple of teenagers he knows, a 19-year-old and 17-year-old couple named Gregory Fester and Jessica Reed. They're suspects in the truck theft of this, all right? So since they have them arrested on truck auto theft they go well let's go ahead and grab some dna on them yeah and see what we got here and so they found that and they matched

the dna found on the weed pipe and the ring and the flashlight to edwards and his girlfriend here oh yeah or fester and Reed. So it's, yeah, not good. The ring was discovered there. They found the owner of the pickup truck, got the ring back, and said, yes, that's my ring. So who the fuck are these people now? I'd love to know. Coming into this thing.

This is Gregory D. Fester II. Oh, a little junior. Fester is his name. Like uncle. Of course, like a piece of shit. Yep, a piece of shit. Yep. A piece of dirty shit that would be under your stove. He's 19 years old, and he's already got a two-year-old child, which is perfect.

What? Going well. Lengthy history of all sorts of shit. Let's start with substance abuse, including, he's 19, mind you, excessive use of alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and dextromethorphan. He's doing terrific. Yeah, that's all great.

He also has an extensive criminal record at 19 as well, including trespassing on land, shoplifting, disorderly conduct, theft from a motor vehicle, criminal damage to property, and sexually assaulting a younger family member. He's doing everything up to and including rape. Yes. Bad person is what he looks like here.

He's been under various degrees of psychiatric care and been on a hundred different medications since the time he was a kid too They keep trying to figure out how to balance this kid out So he lives with his girlfriend a minor 17 year old Jessica Reed

like under 18, not with a helmet on You never know, it's who the fuck knows in middle America, she could be a minor she goes down to the mines she's crazy so should be in jail for christ's sake shouldn't even at 19 be available to be stealing trucks right all this stuff happened pre-adulthood that's wild so she grew up with no dad and uh her mom was never home and has no structure in her life or support or anything like that in 2005 2006, that school year where she should be like a senior or at least a junior. She's actually a third year sophomore. Oh, my.

So she's there at Horicon High up there in Michigan or Wisconsin, I mean. Or is it Michigan? I think it's Michigan. She had serious truancy problems and attended school only 25 times during the entire academic year babe that's why you're still there in sophomore year maybe not great and she's living with this dickhead right because her mom doesn't give a fuck no dad and mom's never around that's the perfect storm for she's gonna like this guy you know what i mean this fucking scumbag so they find um the the there's 12 gauge uh shells that they found in the stock's house at

the murder scene obviously and they were also the same color brand and model as the shotgun shells that were in the dodge ram stolen from krenz yeah okay. Okay. Wainstock's blood and DNA were found on Fester's sneakers. Oh, no. Fester's shoe print matched an impression left at the Stocks farmhouse in blood as well. What an asshole. It's over for him. So Reed and Fester told investigators that eventually they'll talk about the shotguns and where they threw them away. They'll never be found, these shotguns, by the way.

They stole, after they got rid of the Dodge truck, they stole a 2003 Mercury, light tan, on April 11th as well. They abandoned that. They ended up eventually abandoning that after a traffic accident. They ran away. And then they stole the truck April 15th, 16th, belonging to Ryan Krenz. And they ended up with another truck. And that's how they. Oh, no, they didn't.

It was Krenz's truck is what they use. So that light tan bullshit just didn't matter. It wasn't even that. Wow. Could have been somebody going to the fucking cemetery to say goodbye to their grandmother a lead and ran with it and tried to pin it on somebody based on that ran it all the way there so they uh stole the truck obviously reed after they stole the truck started to wear the gold ring it was too big for her because it was for like a larger guy so she wore it on her thumb

all the time so that's how she she was wearing it around um also they stole uh because they had not only did they steal ryan krenz's truck they stole shit from his home as well in wisconsin they had 12 gauge pump shotgun and an assortment of uh federal winchester and western 12 gauge shotgun shells were taken as well. They've got a fucking lot of shit from that guy. No shit. The pickup truck is found abandoned in Louisiana on April 18th. That's a long ride. Why do they always go to Louisiana?

That's the same guy. Remember that guy? What the fuck is up with that? With the cab driver? They also reported that Fester had the 410-gauge shotgun shell in his pocket at the time of the arrest, which is the same caliber used to shoot people. So this is not great for these two. It does not look good at all. It gets worse, though, for them.

They found also they had done other things. So they had done other things. On April 16th, Gary Hines' farmhouse outside Guthrie Center, west of Des Moines, was vandalized and ransacked. They stole about $150 in change, one of those big water jugs full of change or something. A single-shot.410 shotgun as well, so that's where that came from. The ammunition for it and a U.S. Navy CB belt buckle or was also taken okay so no c cb is a navy thing oh cbs yeah cb yeah so cb belt buckle right exactly so they um uh sometime after 11 p.m the same day they said they turned and uh drove up to a farmhouse and they drove away to Murdoch there. And that's where they ended up.

They stole all that shit and then drove over to Murdoch. So Reed as well, right when they took her in, she confessed to another inmate that her boyfriend shot a man and that she was worried she might have left her fingerprints in the house while trying to clean up the blood. That's what she tells a cellmate. She's like, you know anything about fingerprints? Because my boyfriend shot this guy, like totally shot him in the head right and so like i was trying to clean up the blood and stuff and like i think maybe i left fingerprints do you like know anything about that so uh 17 year old girl in 2006 i think that's accurate dummy so these two are not bright um so they uh they link reed and Fester to the scene with all sorts of DNA shit.

Link her with the ring. Link him with other shit. Blood is on both of their stuff. DNA and stuff is on the bowl also. That is consistent with both her and him. DNA found on various areas of the stolen pickup truck was consistent with Wayne Stock's DNA. So in addition to all of this, they then come across Reed's diary. Oh, she's the chatterbox.

A 17-year-old girl that likes to write a diary. In her diary, they find an entry from April 17th that says, quote, I killed someone. Oh, God. He was older. I loved it. I wish I could do it all the time. Oh, my God. That's what she said. I wish I could do it all the time.

Literally, I loved it. That's no good. Well, it's great for one person, two people. I mean, wow, that uh holy shit that's that is terrifying honestly for and that was in the truck or in her house that was in her house oh my that was in her house yeah that is awful and then also they match there's blood all over her clothes from wayne and all sorts of stuff everybody's all intertwined and it's all fucked out here so um they sit them down they're both going to confess to the killings okay they're both going to confess well they have them dead to rights they're like listen we got

everything all the evidence that we didn't have with the other people we have it plus more with you but it would make it more fun if they just sat there and said didn't do that yeah what are you talking about coincidence coincidence my shoe that's not true but the cops also say but we know you weren't alone though uh-huh let me ask you this how when did you pick up livers and samson yeah Yeah. When'd you pick them up? And at first they go, no, we were alone.

It wasn't that. And they go, no, no, no, we know, you know, we got a confession. We know they were there.

So we're here. Unless you tell us all about this, we know you're lying because we know they were there. So, you know, they did that. They, they try to tell him that they threatened Jessica with the death penalty.

If she does not, she said, listen, if you don't, they say, you're going to get the death penalty if you're not honest. And to be honest, you need to tell us where Samson and Livers and what their parts were. You two don't understand. We have pensions. And if you go to jail for this and we have to let those guys free, we'll like dickhead. We might get fired. Super stupid. Just say they were there.

By the way, she's 17, so you can't give her the death penalty so that's not possible for her so that's she doesn't know that though so they're telling her that they're also promising her leniency if she could implicate them and make sure that you know let's let's tell the truth here and uh they'll say they're just trying to get the truth out of her that's's all. So they said they must have been involved based on all of that. And they said that there was blood found in that brown car. So meanwhile, there wasn't, but they said there's blood found in there.

So you must've, this all must've been together here. So they also said that, uh, she identified Nick Sampson out of a photo lineup and said that Sampson and one other person had been in the home with them the night of the murders. When they show him a picture of livers, she says, no, no, no. Sampson was the guy that was there.

And they were like, no, no, no. I think you're mistaken. This is the one. We need to make him. Yeah. Either way, they say before they. This is their story. Now, they drove 500 miles into town.

Yeah, this is Reed and Fester and went to Bulldogs Bar and Grill in Murdoch. And I don't know why they went there, but that's where they were there. Now, Fester said that he had a friend named Thomas who lives in Nebraska, but he couldn't remember the last name. So he couldn't find him. So they ended up hooking up with two men at the bar. And one of them was Nicholas Sampson. So Reed said that Sampson left the bar for about an hour before returning. And then they said they went back with Reed, with the two of them, with Sampson and Livers

to the farm and said they were only, she said they were only going to steal some money from them, but then it got out of hand. Okay okay and all four of them were involved in it so yeah um now few days later she's going to say no no no actually changed my mind they weren't there it was just me and fester when they bring in a different set of cops to interview her so they said they gained entry through an unscreened window. They got inside. She said she found an envelope with $500 in it right away. That's nice.

That was a score. She said she then heard gunshots and went upstairs where she saw a man being shot. And she said she got blood all over her. So at that point, she said that, you you know they believe someone had been standing when they investigated they said when someone got shot someone was standing here because there's less spatter than there should be in this area so they said that she heard she said she heard additional shots and she said she ran downstairs yelling to fester that they should leave so she's saying those two were upstairs and shooting and somebody was already here to murder while you were stealing

yeah you know that's crazy when that happens right on a what are the odds on a farmhouse two sets of people coming to murder everybody soiled my shirt we got to get out of here crazy and they shot him i got shit all over me i just ran away they didn't mind it was cool so she said that uh they didn't uh fester told Reed that he saw Wayne Stock being murdered once they got back to the truck. And she said that's all she knew. She said she then advised him to dump the weapons, which he did, but they couldn't recall where. They then drove to Louisiana, dumped the truck off, and then they were arrested and returned to Wisconsin. So there's an extradition

shit and all that this diary is going to be a big deal in court obviously yeah um and the shell casings and the dna they have a lot of proof of that these people so in fester's interrogation he displayed an intimate knowledge of the crime scene and the crime himself itself he could do a narrative of what happened, who was where. They didn't have to ask him yes or no questions. Because he's a genuine piece of shit. He's a genuine murdering asshole. He said, though, that Reed and he acted alone and that no others were involved.

But eventually, he said, okay, fine. Nick Sampson and Fester were also. Nick Sampson and Mitt Livers were also there because they keep getting it back. Listen, you can say you did it all you want. We know you did it. We have all the physical evidence. What about the other two? You need to tell us the truth.

Don't protect them. Don't protect them. So then they also said they're already sitting in jail for the crime. So it's not like this is the way it's going. So you're going to get worse charges unless you do this shit here. So he he said, OK, yeah. Then he put up a scenario where livers had told them what to do, where to go. He was the mastermind.

Dumb as a brick. The mastermind. The mastermind. Mind you. OK, he's the mastermind. And that, you know, Samson went with Reed and Fester to commit the murders. Okay. That's how it works.

So they say, yes, that's what happened. They did it with me. So now July of this year, July 10th, that this is all going on. Samson's trying to get bail because he's saying you don't have any physical evidence so they're trying to get bail anything on me yeah livers and samson entered not guilty please and um they said that uh they deny him bail though saying that there's two witnesses for the prosecution that place him in the murder scene so you're not getting fucking bail out of that what are you crazy um now he has two witnesses saying that he has an alibi and he

was at home the whole night and he said that yeah they said though the defense witnesses do not negate the prosecution witnesses and that the states met its requirement to deny bail fuck off so that's pretty interesting so they do not release him they refuse to finally on october 6th the attorney cass county attorney nathan cox announces charges against nick sampson have been dropped that's good news yeah he said that he felt um that he had enough evidence to hold sampson but doesn't have enough to prosecute him so saving face saving some face so he's released from jail. They can reissue the charges, though. They're not canceled here. So he said he felt the evidence available at the time just wasn't enough. He said the Nicholas Sampson case at this point does not meet the standard to prosecute. the future you never know as far as additional evidence may being discovered and refiling charges that's entirely possible this is a strategic retreat and not a complete waving

of the white flag we'll get that little bastard so samson's lawyer said there's no evidence placing nick anywhere near that scene he said at all he said this presented a bad case of tunnel vision or represents a bad case of tunnel vision or represents a bad case of tunnel vision. And the investigators failed the basic requirements of homicide investigations. One on one when I about the DNA evidence and all that sort of thing. He said, you know, things have been contaminated. He said that they can come up with theories and all that kind of thing. That doesn't mean it's based on reality.

So somebody said brown car and they ran that's it that's it so they said they asked samson how do you feel about being released from jail and he said it's nice it's better out here he said it's nice then he said this which surprised me he said quote concerning the severity of my charges i was kept in isolation for five months the hospitality in the jail was nice, but something needs to be done. I'd prefer the investigators here in the Cass County Sheriff's Department and the State Patrol take more training classes. I know the history of the Sheriff's Department, and I don't think they know how to investigate a murder. Nice work, Nick.

They said, would you like an apology? And he said, not necessarily. I just want this all to be gone and over with. Yeah, I'd rather never talk to those people ever again. Sounds like a smart kid. He said that off the top of his head. Not bad. Concerning the severity of my charges, if you start a sentence like that, you're not a complete dummy.

So that's good. And hospitality. That was impressive, too. Yeah. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast.

We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts um they said that it's taking his toll on him he said jail is not for anybody it will break you it will break you in a heartbeat i'm 21 and on the second day in jail i was bawling like a three-year-old you have to control your life then all of us or you have control of your life then all of a sudden three people have control of your life. Or you have control of your life. Then all of a sudden, three people have control of your life.

I guess that's three people work at the jail probably. Yeah, probably. Got a class of 25 at that jail. So he said, the county attorney, my attorney, and the judge. That's a scary thought. He said, I knew there was nothing they had against me, though. And they kept threatening him because he refused to say you know that to admit it and he said that uh they asked him why do you think matt said he did it why do you think he confessed

and uh he said quote that's a sore subject and then his attorney cut him off and said we don't want to talk about that have you ever met a brick before you know a brick They told him to stand up and he did. He's not a bright man, okay? They told him to stand up, you guys. Ass out of the chair. He did it. He fucking just stood right up. If you'll excuse me, I have two hot roommates to get back to.

You got to get back to this. So Samson's mother, Lori Muscat. Yeah, his mother, Debbie. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. That's his mother, Debbie. And his fiance's name is Lori Muscat. There we go. They were there waiting for him.

His fiance said, we had to move. We lost our house. And she said, mom's been there for us, though, pointing at Mama Samson here. We're going to have to start our lives over again from where we're at. And we will. We've survived hardships, and we'll make this one. We'll survive this one and make us stronger. And they said, well, what are you going to do?

What's the first thing you're going to do? And Samson said he's going to go ride his bike. Hell, yeah. We'll get back on the motor suit. But you know who's still in jail? Oh, no. Livers. Yeah, Matthew. older suit but you know who's still in jail oh no livers yeah matthew finally december 6th 2006 holy shit they finally release livers poor bastard his lawyer said that evidence is missing regarding

her clients and said either you hand it over or it doesn't exist so where the fuck is it a letter to the wife of a chaplain is said to be missing. They said they have no knowledge of the letter but said he'll look for it. They're talking about this is the big sticking point. So December 5th, though, they say that his confession is considered unreliable by the prosecution. Yeah. Cox, the prosecutor, says he strikes an agreement with the defense when he realizes that his mental health expert agreed with the defense's.

Right. The defense's guy said, yeah, no, it's a fake, false confession. And then his guy came and went, oh, this was the worst confession ever. It was a total piece of shit. You know, his ass came off the chair. No.

It came off the chair. We can't do this. And he thinks he's watching WrestleMania. Like, seriously. It's a dassey-esque situation here we got an issue with this so we told him to stand up and he did and he did end of discussion and he just popped right up like all right well i did that he didn't even look like now what he just said well task completed Task completed.

So, yeah, he realized that. And they also realized that Livers was coerced into confessing. And Samson's lawyer said that it was an incredible piece of luck to find that ring. Yeah. Because that's what connected them. Without that ring, this would have been bad times, man. I mean, honestly. Poor kid's in jail forever. They're both in jail forever.

They have confessions. This guy, it's wild. So Livers and his parents met him there. Him and his fiancee cried. His fiancee said, I love you and you're a free man. And he said, I'm free. It's over now. I'm going home.

Yeah, no doubt. And they said, what was it like spending eight months in jail? And he said, terrible. And he kept walking. Right to the point. Terrible. Jesus Christ. Nothing in my life has ever been worse, and I barely function.

What are you going to do now, Matt? Reach for the stars? I'm only 5'9", and he walks away. Very literal. So, yeah. five nine and he walks away very literal so um yeah he said his parents said it was a nightmare to learn within days of the murders that they thought his son they thought their son was the murderer here and uh his mom barbara said unfortunately he was pinpointed by some of the family members and they will regret that because matt was able to walk out of these doors

innocent yeah apparently she just said matt's to seek vengeance on family members who put him there. That's what it sounded like. They're going to regret that because Matt's a free man now. You seen what he didn't do to those people. You saw it. The sword of vengeance will be mighty and swift, my friend. Mighty and swift. So Dave Livers, the dad, said he regrets having told his son to cooperate with

sheriff's detectives because he was like yeah he said um i'm just glad he's out but our faith in the justice system was shaken it's over now and it came out the way it was supposed to my only surprise is that it took this long so a friend of of samson here had an interview with the police or with the uh press and he said something hilarious. As a team, our county attorney, Nathan Cox, and our sheriff Bill Bruggerman, fail us all. Failures. They're both pieces of shit. They're both pieces of shit.

And he said he doesn't understand why they were continuing to sit in jail once the other people were charged. He said they're not even from here. How the fuck are they going to know them? They're from Wisconsin. They're trying to save face that's what it is that's all that absolutely you got this in with this why yeah because then it's well why did that guy confess totally then if he didn't do it so what the fuck did you have to do with that and this guy says it does baffle me and i can't offer a reason nathan cox has no that's the da has no choice but to

dismiss the charges against livers. The case itself has brought Cass County nothing but public embarrassment. Bill Bruggerman and Nathan Cox owe Nick and Matt an apology, but I don't think they'll get it. No doubt. The prosecutor then and then he starts defending the investigation somehow. somehow yeah he said when people that are making these allegations have gone through the courses to be certified as an investigator and investigated homicides themselves then they'll have room to talk oh god oh you mean when they coerce a confession out of a fucking a fucking turnip with a with hair what are we talking about here not to be be a dick, but for real. James, you don't know. You don't know.

You coaxed someone with the mentality of a fucking nine-year-old to confess. Wow. Great police work, guys. That was... Eventually... Wow. Because we've never investigated a homicide, we can't try our best to pin it on somebody who clearly... He stood up, you who clearly he stood up you guys stood up that shit he they

should have looked at each other right then and went we can't fucking do this right there's no way he killed two people he stood up this is we're gonna say that guy killed his uncle now if they said stop shooting he would have went oh sorry and turn around and left he stood up. If they said stop shooting, he would have went, oh, sorry, and turned around and left. He stood up. Yeah. If they're in the room and he pulls the shotgun and they say no, he's going to go, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I'm sorry, and he's going to leave. That's that.

He stood up. He stood up, man. That's it. That, to me, that's why I said that, because that encapsulates the entire thing is you told him to stand up and he did. Period. Send him home and have someone watch him. Eleven hours broken down into that right there. Wow. So finally, Fester, now that he's not being threatened with horrible things if he doesn't implicate other people, he comes clean as to what happened here.

Oh, boy. And here we go. Apparently, Jessica and Greg stole a truck while they were under the influence of cough syrup. Oh, syrup, yep. They're syruping up here. And they went on to go on what they called a robbing spree across three states.

Boy, oh, boy. Yep, while they were passing Murdoch, they randomly broke into places just while they were on their way there, randomly broke into places. At this point in Murdoch, they were what they called tired and irritable and coming down from their fucking...

From the codeine, sir. From the codeine high there. And Jessica Reed was looking out the window while they were driving for a house to rob okay and um she picked that one out and uh damn it jessica that's all it was they went to iowa nebraska ended up in louisiana she pointed out a house and um she would point out a house and then he would go now we can't because of this and that so she pointed out a bunch of different what about that one what about that one? What about that one?

They needed a place where it looked like no one was home and it looked like they could actually get some money out of it because some of them were like run-down places. It's like, I don't care if we get in there. What are we going to get? So they wanted to buy gas and food and all that shit. So after about an hour, they finally pass by the farmhouse belonging to the Stocks. And Jessica Reed will say,

I thought we might have gotten lucky with a huge house with no one home. Like, they'll have a bunch of... Easter Sunday, yeah. Yeah, they were out of town visiting relatives or something, bunch of cool shit to steal. So they arrived there. They were armed with the shotguns, 410 and the other one. They broke into the home with an intent to burglarize it randomly selected

like we said um he says they got in there uh when they got in there they were sleeping they forced their way in through a window when they got in there the stocks were sleeping and they could hear snoring coming from upstairs okay so then they uh they start to go upstairs and they said that Reed entered a bedroom and that's when Wayne popped up. Yeah, he must have heard them coming up the stairs or something. So Wayne attempted to confront them. And that's when Fester kneecapped him with the shotgun. Yep. Wayne blasted him in the knee on purpose.

Like, you know, I'm going to shoot you in the knee. And he thought that he would fall down and then he could do what he wanted. Because in the movies, when you shoot somebody in the knee, they fall down. They go, ah, ah, ah. And they go, now you're going to fucking do what I want? And the guy goes, yeah, right. I'm sorry, Anthony. I'm sorry.

And that's the end of it. So here, though. But Wayne's a tough fucking hay farmer. Wayne takes his hay stock himself here and he fucking attacks Fester and they start struggling. And he's a 19-year-old skinny kid. So, I mean, it's not skinny, but it's a 19-year-old kid. He doesn't have the old man strength of a 58-year-old fucking farming hay salesman. He just doesn't.

Named Stock. Who's been farming for his whole fucking life calloused hands so they start fighting over the weapon and and stock gets a hold of the weapon and they're struggling over it he's about to get it away from fester so fester yells to jessica fucking do something yeah do something Yeah. Do something with this gun. So Jessica comes over and blasts the 410 at Wayne. Oh, my God. And, yeah, shoots him there. Apparently, she ends up shooting him in the eye is the way it works here. Really?

She shoots him in the eye at close range while then Fester goes over and shoots him in the back of the head as well. Jesus. His head doesn't exist anymore here. So, yeah. Then they go and they find Charmin over there and shoot her with the shotgun and shoot her right in the face in her eye as well. So, yeah.

That's what happened it was a horrible struggle think about that shotgun blast to the knee that that's a scene that's a dramatic yeah dramatic scene man blood everywhere struggling for the gun do something oh my god sharman's probably screaming trying to hide behind the fucking headboard this is insane so physical evidence was fabricated about livers as well, we find out. Really? Yeah, a guy will get in trouble for this, I believe. There's a guy, Investigator Kofoed.

It's K-O-F-O-E-D. He prepared a report dated May 6, 2006, in which he stated that a swab taken from under the steering column at the bottom edge of the driver's compartment dashboard in the contour tested positive for blood. Oh, what a dickhead. He also said in this report that lab examination of the swab determined that the blood from the swab was consistent with that of Wayne's stock. So not only is there blood it's wayne's blood it's wayne's blood and this was after two different departments had gone over it with i assume a fine-tooth comb when you're looking for any trace of physical evidence and uh that was a month earlier they kept it in the in impound yard for a month, and all of a sudden there's blood there.

What the hell, man? That doesn't seem right, right? That's not right, right? What a jerk. This is, shit like this is why you watch like Steve and Avery and you go, I mean, it's possible because there are assholes like this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It does exist.

And I don't know what happened, but. Somebody in the police was like we have nothing can you help had to right we know they were there we all we have is these two people's word that they were there we need physical evidence to connect them we don't have any and there's a teaspoon of blood that we found at the scene can you utilize it allegedly i don't know i mean obviously i'm not right i don't know I don't know. I don't know. It's our opinion, I suppose. So they they the evidence was provided to the Cass County attorney and plaint and the plaintiffs and livers criminal counsel for all of this. Now, prior to the the state taking control of the automobile, the blood was not present in the car, obviously.

Then he had then all of a sudden was not present in the car, obviously. Then all of a sudden, it's present in the car. And we know for a fucking fact that these two had nothing to do with this shit. Nothing to do with it. They did nothing. So there is no way that there was Wayne Stock's blood under the fucking... It's impossible, physically impossible for that to happen. He's never been in that car, Wayne Stock. They've never been around Wayne when he's bleeding.

It's physically impossible so the prosecutor nathan cox said he does not believe the blood was found in the automobile as a result of accidental and uh contamination therefore on information and belief blood from the crime scene was possibly planted there he didn't say that but the own prosecutor said he doesn't believe it came from accidental contamination so whoever else that got there it got there if there's accidental what else is there you know there's only two fucking things it's accidental it's on purpose so yeah they said that um it doesn't look good so the official charges here are jessica reed and fester both charged with two counts.

It's Horicon, Wisconsin, by the way. Horicon, Wisconsin. H-O-R-I-C-O-N. Oh, you don't pronounce the H. It's just O-R-I-C-O-N. It's O-R-I-C-O-N. It probably is. It's like O-R-I-D-A. Who gives a fuck?

So many people, Jimmy. You have no idea. It's insane. Many people, Jimmy. You have no idea. It's insane. More people than you would imagine could possibly have the capacity for that with all the things we have going on in our lives. But it's a whole other story.

So they were both charged with two counts of murder, two counts of use of a firearm in connection with the killings as well. They were already in custody, so that was easy. So they're talking about the death penalty. The intent of the prosecution. This is how incompetent this fucking county is. The intent of the prosecution was for Fester to face the death penalty because they can't charge Reed with it. Cox, the prosecutor, believed that he could amend his charges at any time before the trial and change it change it to death penalty wanting the death penalty the judge ruled that a new state statute prevented him from adding aggravating circumstances to the charge because he waited too long dude cass county i'm sorry you people fuck out you guys it's not

your fault the people there you people pay fucking taxes. You got to ask for better than this. You do. I'm sorry. This is fucking pathetic. So the news was, so it broke that Fester would not be eligible for the death penalty and the Stock family super pissed off. Super pissed off.

The family, here's a quote, the family of Wayne and of Wayne and Sharman Stock told the Cass County attorney from the beginning that they wanted anyone found guilty of this double homicide to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law because of this heinous crime. So he said if the filing for the death penalty was not filed in a timely manner, according to the law, questions should be directed to Nathan Cox for an explanation. There's a lot of awful lot of splaining to do in this public capacity here so um fester is going to just go ahead and plead guilty to second degree murder may as well yeah because he's pretty fucked otherwise so during sentencing he has to describe exactly what happened talking about surprising the stocks shooting him in the knee and everything like that. Since he's been in jail, Stock has been or Fester has been diagnosed with attention deficit, hyperactivity disorder, depression, adjustment disorder, personality disorder, alcohol dependence. And this is directly from court documents. Transvestite fetishism.

What? Oh, really? So I don't know if he's into that or that's what he does. Well, does he do it or is he into it? You know what I mean? Does that turn him on or is that what he does himself? One way or another it turns him on, but we don't know which. Either way, the prosecutor described his whole life.

I don't know if that included, but he described it in court as, quote, this is a train wreck of a life. From all the things I told you before, the drugs, the criminality. Yeah, the transvestite fetishism really is beside the point. It doesn't really that doesn't matter at all compared to anything else, really compared to anything who gives a shit so uh defense here the defense attorney a guy named alan stoller who's got a real uphill battle here trying to get you know a better sentence and everything he entered into the agreement to accept he said his client entered into this because he wanted to accept responsibility for this homicide okay it's what it is not because he was dead to rights on every piece of DNA and physical evidence he could possibly be.

Remorse and human capacity for feeling. He says, quote, he also did not want to relive the events that happened that night. That's why he chose to plead and not have a trial, he said. I don't want to think about it anymore. He does. I just can't. I can't. Oh, it's too traumatic for me.

Yeah. He understands the possible penal, the possible penalties. However, at some point in time, he would have the opportunity to live his life outside of a prison cell. That's what he hopes. He wants that. We're hoping for parole for this guy. He wants that's what he's asking for. He really does. He wants that bad. They said this is discussions to the potential disposition of this case happened early on, even before Mrs. Reed or Ms. Reed decided to plead. The overriding concern of Mr. Fester was to make a determination to accept responsibility in this case.

All he cared about was being responsible. Yeah. Stand up. All he cared about was being responsible. Yeah. Stand up. So before he's sentenced, he unfolds a piece of paper with his shackled hands. Yeah.

He asked the attorney for a pen so he could fucking make some edits here. Yeah. And, yep, he said, quote, for almost a year, my heart has known the horrible truth that I am responsible for taking two innocent people's lives. There's no price I can pay that can make that right. They are gone. And all I want to do is take that day back. He said that he would not cheapen the memory and the lives of the stocks by trying to offer excuses for his actions. And he'll accept whatever the court decides that he deserves. Okay. Yep.

So they say, okay, well, if you're going to put it that way, you, sir, may fuck off a term of not less than life imprisonment, nor more than life imprisonment. So that means life. Life without? So that means life without, I guess, for count of murder in the second degree and a term of 10 to 20 years imprisonment for the use of a firearm to commit a felony. Okay. So that is two life terms. Oh. And 10 to 20 years imprisonment for the use of a firearm twice. And those are all consecutive.

Oh, damn it. Yeah. He bangs a long way. Yeah. He banged him long ways there he gave him each one get paroled on one go ahead 200 years basically you're gonna start another you got to serve like 80 of two i'm sorry fuck he's done yeah so the family said that this is kirby drake this is sharman's brother that he was not impressed with the statements at all.

He said following the hearing, he said he'd hoped Fester would receive a harsher punishment than imprisonment. He said the same thing regarding Reed. He said these two individuals took two innocent lives in their own bedroom. I don't know how much more hideous a crime could be than to go into someone's bedroom and murder them. Yeah, it is when you're most vulnerable. Snoring, goddammit. You got to. I agree with that. That is brutal. That's bedroom and murder them. Yeah, it is when you're most vulnerable. Snoring, goddammit. Jesus. You got to.

I agree with that. That is brutal. That's everybody's biggest nightmare. He said that he hoped they both received life in prison but would have no other comments because he doesn't know what's going to happen. He said, all it takes is one person with a reasonable doubt to say, you know, I have a reasonable doubt that these people really did this. He's saying that Reed's sentence, he's worried that she's not going to get shit. Okay.

This idiot also, not this idiot, he's the, I feel bad because it's his sister died, but I don't like this. He's refused to be critical of investigators. Stop. Stop. They fucked this up. They fucked this up. They fucked up the investigation.

And then the reason why you're not getting your death penalty is because they fucked that up too. Right. They fucked this up. They fucked this up. They fucked up the investigation. And then the reason why you're not getting your death penalty is because they fucked that up too. That's why. It's the only reason why it's not. They're going to blame other people and all this society. No, no, no. That guy's a guy who can't fill out his fucking paperwork on time and doesn't keep up on the statutes being updated. Right.

Blame Cox. They had a lead and ran it until it was so exhaustive that yeah and and they didn't even they didn't even solve this the other no louisiana fixed this for you i know and i feel bad too like i said this person he's a fucking grieving family member at this point he's angry and he's probably you know he's still working with the prosecution and probably doesn't want them to say well fuck you then and not try as hard so i get why he's still working with the prosecution and probably doesn't want them to say well fuck you then and not try as hard so i get why he's saying this but still also he probably still lives in the town and doesn't want to get that doesn't want to get framed with murder with somebody else's who knows fucking anything could happen yeah he said quote i think law enforcement

has done a very good job yikes sir that that is a bridge too far uh he said facts are facts if you don't have them you can't prosecute somebody yeah so you shouldn't make them confess that's why you spray blood on the inside of cars because that's why you do yeah wow he said the family's really upset as well they should be i don't think it's really hit um you know us yet of exactly what's going on here. So, yeah, I apologize that I said he's an idiot

because I don't think he's an idiot, honestly. That goes against our disclaimer, but I think he's got a lot of emotions going on, but that was the wrong thing to say. So, Jessica in court, she's going to plead guilty too.

Yeah. To second-degree murder. They both plead to second degree because he didn't update it to first degree for the both plead to second degree because that's you can't he didn't update it to first degree for the death penalty and um she says guilty are on both charges she said that her lawyer said that uh afterwards that she uh this is just a part of her being with the wrong people jessica she said yeah she went from a young woman who had been active in her school getting ready for her senior year not true not true she wasn't even she wasn't even active in

fucking showing up to school never mind active in anything in school and she wasn't entering her senior year she was in her third sophomore year that's from the principal who liked her so wow that's really a stretch. Here's the idiot. Went from that to being charged with multiple homicides in Cass County. She's very remorseful. Is she still quite unbelievable? Is it still quite unbelievable not only to herself but to her family how she ended up here?

She accepted responsibility for her involvement and the fact that she was at the residence with Mr. Fester. Now, she's saying she didn't shoot anything in her trial. She picked the house. Yep. From the get-go, she has been cooperative. Wow. Once they found her diary and said, hey, look, stupid, we have this.

I would submit that due to her cooperation and her candor that not uh that not only did it assist in securing a plea and a conviction for mr fester but ultimately it was very important in securing the release of two men who are innocent she wow okay now she's saving people's lives she's a hero she said listen this girl was you know on the fucking flag team yeah she was uh you know in band uh she's uh good she's two minutes from graduation she's graduating next week you know she she got two guys out of prison and got your fucking terrible murderer to admit to it so really we should probably just give her a ribbon we're gonna change her name to innocence project that's her first yeah because i i feel like it's fine i feel like it's really good there.

She saved two men. She saved their lives, Jimmy. That's what it was. Never mind that they are pretty sure she shot Wayne Stock in the back of the fucking head. That's okay. Right. So, the lawyer also said he believed that Reed was, quote, under the influence of Fester. You don't want to be under the influence of Fester, man. get you all messed up you can't drive on that stuff they'll put you in jail for that

it does say on the bottle not to take it and operate heavy machinery so i'm saying may cause drowsiness you know they said that she would not have been a part of the crimes if it were not for him um and uh she said it's a slippery slope and she ended up in cass county involved in something that a week prior to that you would have never guessed it's unfortunate but it is what it is it's more than unfortunate yeah it's a tragedy unfortunate is an insult yeah to these two people that got murdered to say it's unfortunate oh it's real unfortunate that all their brains are all over their fucking bedroom now. That's super unfortunate.

Fuck you. That's ridiculous, man. The lawyer also believes that Jessica's age will be considered as well as her actual involvement in the murders. And the lawyer said it will be seen that her role was not nearly as culpable as her co-defendant. She has no criminal history of any significance. And the fact that she

did cooperate she came to law enforcement after they initially believed two individuals from nebraska were involved no no it's not what happened she got interviewed after they found out that she was connected to the stolen ring that was in the car that they fucking stole that's what happened she broke into a house and fired a weapon at a person. That's a bad woman. I would hope that whoever she was saying this to, these reporters would go, excuse me, you're full of shit. That didn't happen at all.

That didn't happen. Cut people off when they're lying. That's one thing I would love from the media. When someone starts lying about an actual factual thing, not a matter of opinion, a thing, 500,000, this person did that not bullshit no it didn't happen oh fuck you everybody starts throwing shit at him fuck you nope bullshit we know better lie lie lie lie that would be amazing but they'd have to then we just get psychopaths who would be doing that when factual shit happened who knows so before sentencing she writes a letter another one writes a letter from jail to theresa graven the assistant principal at

horican high school horican high school whatever it is it's a 400 student high school so not very big again um reed told her that she plea bargained with prosecutors. She said, quote, God has been good to me. Wow. I have a plea bargain and could end up only doing 10 years, exclamation point, if I get lucky. People who, God willing, people who I care about think I'm a monster when in all reality I was just a child on drugs calling out for help. That's what calling out for help looks like? Hold on. I got it.

I got it. I got to do a rewind on that. She just said, that shows zero remorse at all right there. None. When in all reality I was just a child on drugs calling out for help. What the shit? Child on drugs, fine. Calling out for help.

That's not calling out for help. Two people are dead, lady. You killed people for sleeping in their own fucking beds. She then says, God is taking care of me. Wow. He really wants me to finish school. He totally came over last night and told me. It was really cool.

The assistant principal said, yeah, totally, and agreed to send her high school's transcripts there so she can get her GED in prison. Okay. All right. So she also wrote of her hopes to enroll in college correspondence courses after her sentencing. She said, sooner or later, I'm going to look around psychology, too. I have taken all my practice tests and have practiced with high scores, all capital letters, except except math. Oh, and I am in a faith based addiction program.

God does everything for a reason. God bless you. Jesus. Wow. So they said you need a psychologist, not you should be a psychologist. Yeah. Not you should get into psychology. We said, wow, I'd love to get into your psychology. And she went, I should get into psychology. No, no. You have an appointment at three for psychologists. Wow. When in all reality, I was just a child on drugs calling out for help. That is how I was a fan. She thinks she's better now.

She thinks it's all over. And this came out before sentencing, too. This letter became public, so that's not great. No. So during the hearing, her lawyer painted her as someone who has changed greatly since her arrest. She started attending bible studies she's working toward her ged which doesn't mean anything yeah what does that mean i'm working toward my gd you could i'm working toward building a 12 bedroom mansion

you know in the middle of central. I'm working toward it. It doesn't mean it's happening. That means she's read a book or two. Yeah. And also she's drawn praise from her instructors in both her Bible studies and her GED classes. Now, the prosecutor disagreed that she had changed, saying she has a history of lying when she saw that it could benefit her from lying. That's what she's doing. of lying when she thought saw that it could benefit her yeah from lying um she's doing he then said as a matter of fact she wrote in her journal that she had killed someone and quote loved it right he said she was sprayed with the blood of the victim and subsequently was able to

say she loved it shocking where does that go you can say oh that night you know blah blah blah well was she traumatized uh you know, shaking in the corner after that? Or was she writing in a fucking journal? Oh, my God. My fucking teen pussy was dripping from fucking excitement from killing these fucking adults. This is crazy. I'm fucking disgusted. She's a terrible woman.

Oh, my God. So her attorney's pissing me off more than anything, because she's a she's a kid but this guy is a dickhead thomas olsen so he said that uh reed played a crucial role in helping cox realize that livers and samson had been wrongly accused like we said and olsen hopes the judge takes that into consideration here i mean i guess that is his job right yeah it's his job everybody deserves everybody deserves representation and an advocate fighting for them uh even the shittiest people oh man he has got smoke coming off his shoes because he's been tap dancing so fucking hard sweat beads coming off his face he's just fucking he's got a really young girl Young girl, young girl, young girl.

Wow. Get out of my mind. He said, so I think she is not nearly as culpable as her co-defendant. Jessica later went to a Wisconsin detective and told him what really happened because she could not live with it. She wants to make things right. She was very important in securing the release of the two men who were innocent of the crime. She wants to make things right. She was very important in securing the release of the two men who were innocent of the crime. I know she does not expect to be patted on the back, but I don't think she deserves a life sentence.

Good Lord. And then she also says that she still thinks about Charman Stock's scream. Quote, a piercing scream that wakes me up often. Thinks about that every night, she said. And then Jessica said, here's her big quote yeah okay here's her big plea for leniency quote um she said um um which is fine you're nervous i get it um i just wanted to say i'm deeply sorry for all the pain i've caused that's it and then she sat down she sat down? She sat down. She went the lawyer guy.

He said everything I wanted to say. What he said. Oh. And then she sat down. So the judge says, you, young lady, may fuck off exact same sentence as Fester. Oh, boy. Hit the fucking bricks. Yeah.

So much for 10 years. You picked it out. Yeah. You went in together together he was in a struggle you fucking shot the guy fired rounds honey you're just as much involved in this as anybody else i mean if not yeah it's exactly the same so they she appeals um her lawyer said she shouldn't have received such a harsh sentence because she cooperated and also played a smaller role yeah i don't know if that's true yeah they said she said she played such a smaller role than the co-defendant and notwithstanding the appellant here was painted with the same brush and was sentenced to the

exact same sentence as gregory fester it's ridiculous he was very indignant about the whole thing he said uh he said that in statements to authorities reed says she was shocked when fester shot the couple and she stood there frozen and that everything seemed like a silent movie like it wasn't real but in actuality it was super real yeah so they go great well she can keep thinking about that shit in prison yeah fuck off so uh 2008 they both have an appeal here it's an appeal from both of them and it's it's kind of an interesting thing here uh there's talking about the state supreme court released separate opinions because they were both going at the same time saying that um the victims they go through it by all accounts the victims were wonderful people

respected by community uh members of their community and church and loved very much by their family. They experienced fear and horror, which is hard to imagine. They were brutally murdered in the sanctity of their own bedroom, their own home. It's hard in this case to consider anything less than life sentencing. And the court says we, the state Supreme Court, agree with that decision. Any lesser sentence under these circumstances, even when considering the mitigating factors, would diminish the seriousness of the crime and promote disrespect for the law. The district court did not err in sentencing Reed to two consecutive life sentencing and confirmed. Yeah, there you go. And she was in such a rush to get out of that house, James.

She knocked a ring off of her own fucking finger. Yeah, off her thumb. And threw it under the stove on accident. Yeah. Fuck yeah. So they said that he went over with the, you know, under the influence of Fester thing again. I mean, there was that. Oh, come on here.

influence of fester thing again i mean there was that oh come on here um they said that reed had given contradicting statements to investigators and that they were a smoke screen to minimize her role in the murders that's what the state said uh the argument that her account cleared livers and samsons was countered by the fact that she originally was the first one to implicate them both so you implicated them and then you fucking, you're a big hero because you changed your mind and said that. Wow. They said at sentencing, the district court considered both the mitigating and aggravating factors and explained Fester's possibility of rehabilitation is remote. That's for Fester's thing here. They said his sentence is great, too, because he has a very remote chance of rehabilitation that far outweighed this case the

necessity and need for the protection of society as well and they say we agree with his sentence both of you getting fucked so good there you go 2013 livers and samson sue the state oh yeah because they're saying not only was this this wasn't an accident, you motherfuckers planted evidence. So to stay, they said two state patrol investigators and a deputy engaged in constitutionally prohibited coercion when they interrogated livers. As a result, he made a false confession that also implicated Samson. The state's own interrogation experts said under cross-examination that the questioning of livers was flawed. that the questioning of livers was flawed. The investigators fabricated evidence by feeding crime scene details to livers during their investigation and interrogation and used coercion to produce incriminating statements from other witnesses.

They were also disputed evidence that the video of livers recantation made the day after he confessed was withheld from the prosecutor. Yeah, they didn't tell the prosecutor about that who needs to know that kind of shit the cops were like yeah yeah the investigators and crime lab commander engaged in a conspiracy against the cousins two of the investigators pressured csi technicians to find some physical evidence to bolster liver's confession and one of the patrol investigators found more uh spent more than three hours at the crime lab the same day the kaffowid guy found

found a victim's blood in the car that they have it in the documents around and found absolutely. The investigators arrested livers without probable cause. He fired filed a suit against the county officers, Earl Shenick, a shank, a William Lambert, Charles O'Callaghan. That sounds like a cop. If I've ever heard one Sandra Weyers and a cofo co fed and represented by multiple attorneys, the Northwestern University School of Law, the Roderick MacArthur Justice Center, liver's claim to civil rights violation for coercive action, fabrication of evidence, false arrest, concealment of exculpatory evidence, and conspiracy, and failure to intervene. Jesus. So, this was going to go to trial on October 21st, 2013, three days before the trial starts. We got a settlement? The state goes, why don't we just cut a check and say, fuck it, because this is.

Pay that guy and save ourselves the embarrassment. This is terrible. Yeah. Because it would all come out in court. I mean, everything. Yeah. So he accepted $1.75 million in damages, Livers got. That's fair.

Yeah. And then Sampson got $965,000 in damages.vers got yeah and then samson got 965 000 in damages yeah not bad because he wasn't yeah because i think he gets extra for that interrogation as well i hope that somebody else gets that check and they put it in a trust for him because uh they could tell him this is 1.7 and it's a dollar seven yeah he's gonna have a hard time with that, probably. So 2013 is another appeal. And the Nebraska Supreme Court here, this is Fester arguing his guilty pleas for the murder were the result of ineffective assistance of counsel rather than shitloads of evidence, which would probably be more accurate. I need to say that guy's a dummy because this hurts. Yeah.

I need to say that guy's a dummy because this hurts. Yeah. At that hearing, he also said that the lawyer told him he'd get between 21 and 35 years. But at that hearing, the court found that Fester's counsel spent about 285 hours preparing for trial. That's a lot of hours. And that he prepared until the plea agreement was reached. The attorney also denied telling fester he would get 21 to 35 years investigators say that um yeah that's that's what happened there so uh they say nope keep fucking off fester keep festering it's at this point where a change.org petition comes out justice for jessica reed what let me show you something jimmy

i'm gonna roll that chair over that's the picture lord with her with glasses on smiling holding the dog who the dog's the one in focus in that picture too by the way sure is and he looks like valkor oh yeah yeah this white dog looks all sweet uh They're trying to get to 2,500 signatures. They got 1,793 signatures on it. That is a lot. That's a lot. It's a petition to the governor of Nebraska. And so Greg, at this time, he's serving his prison term at the NDCS Reception and Treatment Center in Lincoln.

Sounds wonderful. By the way, the family business, the hay and fucking grain business. Did Andy take it over? Going fucking gangbusters. Is it really? This, I found an article, and I shit you not, this really exists. Hayandforage.com. What?

Hayandforage.com. Yeah. That's an actual thing they have it's like they have articles like they wrote and it's like field and stream yeah hay and forage magazine that says look at these bloobs it's so awesome after the tragedy andy along with his sister tammy vance and brother steve were committed to continuing. I said three sons earlier. I apologize. We're committed to continuing their parents legacy of farming.

Then then as now the farm consists of 1300 acres of non irrigated alfalfa alfalfa grass mixtures corn and soybeans non irrigated. They got to water this shit themselves. Yeah. I hope for rain I I guess. Jesus. The acres, which are a combination of owned and rented, are split evenly between two row crops and forages. Following the instructions of their parents' will, which was written when Andy was five years old, all assets were put into a trust and were to be divided between the three siblings once Andy turned 30 years old.

Control of the farm was given to a local attorney and banker whom the elder stocks trusted very much. Andy said, at first, I thought that arrangement was going to be awful. But in hindsight, it was perfect because it took a lot of the business decisions that needed to be made off my shoulders. I was the operator and they ran the business. The way my parents set things up also gave me time to grieve. My mom and dad had a plan and it worked the way it was used in training sessions all over the place yeah of literally this is want to see the worst interrogation ever this is what not to do for anything seriously yeah washington dc homicide detective jim train them uses this to train people. His name is Jim Trainum. That's amazing.

Jim Trainum. I love when the universe works out like that. Meanwhile, the prosecutor in Nebraska is a cock. His last name is Cox. And then Boogie Man. Fester. Sheriff Boogie Man. Sheriff Boogie Man. he does a terrible job getting

the boogie man off the street under the stove fester it's all gross this is amazing so jim trainham uses this case to demonstrate false confessions and cognitive errors that can derail good investigations the nebraska Enforcement Training Center in Grand Island also uses it to show officers how to recognize cognitive impairment in subjects. Unbelievable. See him? Watch right here. Watch right here.

See that? I'm going to slow motion. See, there's a stand up. See that? Right there. I'm going to go ahead and turn the tape off. When that happens, stop the fucking interrogation. So among the problems, especially the cognitive things and all that shit,

also that Livers was not asked prompt free to provide a retelling of the incident, which is important. In addition, the investigators ignored key items he'd omitted, such as where'd he put the murder weapon and where'd he get the murder weapon, shit like that. So, yeah, that's that. Jessica, you can free her. Change.org, it's there. Don't you dare.

If you want Jessica free, now's the time to do it, Jimmy. No? You want her to stay in there? She now's the time to do it, Jimmy. No. Got it. No? You want her to stay in there? She's a monster. I hope she stays forever. I mean, she might be, listen, she might be fine now.

I mean, yeah, people are a lot different from the time they're 17 to 33 or whatever the fuck. But what she did was so. It's so bad. I'm just saying it like that because there's not a change. And I say what she did because there's not a change.org petition for Greg. Everyone's like, yeah, fuck him. Let him fester. You know what I mean?

Whereas here, they think that she's innocent. But there's really no reason for it other than she was 17 and she'd feel bad for her. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he could say I was going out with my girlfriend when she's pointing shit out. Right. I mean, we know that he was probably the one in,

we know how these things usually work in terms of murder. She was probably not her idea, but talk about participating in it. He wounded, she literally killed the man. That's what they think, that she at least definitely took a shot at him while in the middle of committing a murder like if if this happened in a 7-eleven and they went in and they

both buck shots at the fucking cashier and killed him ran away done they're both done equally guilty remember our old disclaimer was we're in the car it doesn't we're all equally guilty it doesn't matter if you're sitting outside in the car you You went there to the robbery. We're all part of this. We're all part of it, man. That is that. That is Murdoch, Nebraska. And one fucking hell of a twisted, weird, wild story.

And I feel terrible for Matt Livers. I really do. Also, the fucking Stock family really took one hard there. That was tough, man. They're very resilient people. Jesus Christ. They're farm people. Very impressive.

They're farm people. Floods and droughts and all that shit, and they'll stick around. So they're tough farm stock is what they are. P.S. Murdoch, they imported murder. They did. Nice murder they did. They came from fucking Wisconsin, for Christ's sake. Right away said, well, we don't think it's a

transient or someone passing through it's like how wrong and bad could an investigation be from the start right from the start they yeah they took dumb opinions and made them facts and they only said that because they were laying the groundwork because they had heard that matt got in an argument with his relatives the night before. So that's why they had to be someone that knew the layout. Why? People don't understand bedrooms are upstairs. They don't need the layout.

It's not a fucking mansion. It's a farmhouse. It's not a fucking 8,000 square foot house where you're like, which wing is it in? Follow the snoring. There's the bedroom. What are we talking about here? So very silly. But anyway, that's Murdoch, Nebraska. It's probably four bedrooms. Follow the snoring. There's the bedroom. What are we talking about here? Yeah. So very silly.

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