Small Town Murder - #382 - Who Tasted The Blood? - Salem, New Hampshire

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

This week, in Salem, New Hampshire, three drifting young men decide to murder some young women, after extensive viewings of the movie "Scream", and a healthy binging of meth & booze. Their plan turns out to be tragically successful, after luring two teenagers to the local hangout spot, and committing some unforgivably brutal acts. Will they make a clean escape, or end up huddled in the attic of a cabin, while police close in??Along the way, we find out that New Hampshire really wants you to think they have an american stonehenge, that teen horror movies characters may not be the best people to emulate, and that who did the stabbing actually does matter!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That is patreon.com slash crime and sports. And you get a shout out at the end of the regular show where Jimmy will butcher your name. Well, he wants so badly to get it correct. So that said, I think it's time everybody what are you guys doing out there where yeah what's everybody doing what's that in your hand what's that in your hand that's a good one what are you doing right now what are you teaching a kindergarten class that's that makes sense right yeah you got one ear just just an ear little air pod in there and you're listening that's totally fine those safety scissors tell the kids you know it's time to color and just when they're all about done everybody's polishing up their

pictures i want you to stand right up on your desk freak the kids out big time throw the arms to the sky and you shout you little bastards shut up and give me murder there you go and uh you're gonna have to probably chip in for some therapy because they're not going to understand that at all. Get your apology letter ready for the family. Yes, that's the truth. Definitely get that. But do it anyway. So let's go on a trip. All right.

We are going all the way. Let's go to northeast. We're going to New Hampshire. Hey. A lovely place. There's a Salem there? There's a Salem, New Hampshire. It's actually just northeast. We're going to New Hampshire. Hey! A lovely place. There's a Salem there? There's a Salem, New Hampshire. It's actually just, it's southeastern New Hampshire.

It's a suburb of Boston, essentially. Oh, really? Yeah, like some of New Hampshire is. A lot of the population of New Hampshire exists there because they work in Boston. That's kind of like how it is there. So this is southeastern New Hampshire, about 35 minutes to Boston. Yeah, it's right there. Right there. Population is southeastern New Hampshire, about 35 minutes to Boston. So right there. Population's only 30,158 right now.

So yeah, it's a smaller little place. You've got to have a little bit of dough here. It's a little higher median income. It's about $78,395, which is about $25 more than the national average. Median home price, very expensive as well. Boston's really expensive so it just kind of it stays there it's a little ripple as it goes out yeah if you can drive to boston and work it's going to be pricey and median home cost here 517 600 median home price

oh my god that is crazy uh this area to give you a little idea of why it's called Salem like everywhere else, it was first settled in 1652. Okay. So old school. Yeah, old school. As early as 1736, Salem was the North Parish of Methuen, Massachusetts. This was actually Massachusetts back then. In 1841, when the boundary line between Massachusetts and New Hampshire was where it is now, the North Parish became part of New Hampshire, and it was given the name Salem because Salem, Massachusetts isn't that far from here. That's good.

Let's have two places real close. That's what I mean. That makes less sense. If you move somewhere 2,000 miles away, you want to name it something from back home. That makes more sense. But if you go, well, we like that town over there there let's just name it that i get oregon but for christ's sake it's a different state who cares 50 feet away it's that's ridiculous so that's wild uh used to be a lot of factories in this town it was that kind of place and uh really nice so they have like these long tree-lined streets and uh yeah it was like a real night it didn't look like

a like kind of a, crusty factory town. It looked pretty, and then they had factories also. Beautiful. Yeah, it was really nice. There's lakes here and water and shit like that. Yeah, it was good. They had arcades and they had dance halls and shit. You know, it was hot shit back in the day.

What does arcade mean? Because it could be a lot of things, right? It's a place for people to play shit. It could be. Now it's video games, but back in the 1800s, they had different types of games they would play that were mechanical. They weren't video games. They were, you know, you pull a lever and something falls in a thing and then a chicken gets a fucking piece of corn. Yeah.

And then, you know, you win. I could have Googled that later, but I figured this is information that everybody needs to know. They might need to know that. Because I've never. Or they know that. I've always wondered and never looked it up. I see like adult arcade. I'm like, that's not a thing.

That's not a thing. Well, I mean, honestly, technically, you could have an arcade game that involves dildos. I mean, it could be very adult. Fascinating. We don't know. So the automobile, though, coming more into prominence, brought the decline of the trolley, which made everything all fucked up, basically. The trolley was holding the shit together.

The trolley was holding it together, damn it. In the 50s, 1950s now, Salem developed as a suburb, and it really became a bigger place and started to blow up a little bit more. Reviews of this town. Let's find out what they're all about quickly. I'd love to know. Here's five stars. Great place to live, especially with a family. Not just by yourself. You's five stars. Okay. Great place to live, especially with a family. Not just by yourself.

You got to have people. A great school system. Could use a little more diversity, but great overall. It's fucking New Hampshire. I mean, yeah, you're in New Hampshire. I don't know what you're looking for. Exactly. It's New Hampshire.

Yeah. It's known for it. Five stars. Very nice housing. Yeah. One vacant house that hasn't had a person in it for months. Months. This life is so easy for this person that their only complaint is a house down the street.

No one's lived there in months. It's been like four months. You know what? I better put this out to the internet so people know. If they're going to come to town, it's nice and everything, but avoid the street because that's just blight. No one's in there. And I'm doing the landlord a favor. Maybe we'll get it rented with this review.

I mean, yeah, they mow the lawn. They still keep it up and everything, but I like to know there's something going on in there. They need lights at night. Wow. Four stars. Salem is a very beautiful town with a busy main street filled with shops and restaurants for everyone. Okay. Everyone.

The town is not very diverse and is predominantly conservative but it's still a small town safe for families they're leaning hard on that it's just it's not very good yeah it's weird i moved to a tiny town in new hampshire it's strange that i don't see more of the rainbow of of life here yeah well there's boston's that way there you go uh three stars i really don't have anything to say. I do not vote and I'm not involved in town elections. How many stars? That's all.

Three. Okay. I mean, I can't say it's great. I can't say it's bad. I really don't have anything to say. Why would you put this in then? I don't even vote. It's not even on me.

You had to sign into this website to do that you have to make an account to say i don't have anything to say wow uh three stars this is very short depends on where you live in the town okay exclamation point that's all like everywhere that's it's a whole review combine even if you combine that with i don't really have anything to say guy doesn't mean anything you still get nothing you can combine two reviews and get no information so things to do here america's stonehenge yeah yeah what is that well it doesn't look like stonehenge i'll tell you that fucking much and we actually have some inside insight into this because allison has been here before our research person for small town murder all Allison, has done this, has been to this place.

And she said it is she has been hoping for against hope that we would do this town. So just so she could talk about this. And she says, quote, this is truly the dumbest thing since the rock zoo. It's just a bunch of rocks that these people clearly arranged themselves. That's that's her take on it. Are they big? Not. It's they call bunch of rocks that these people clearly arranged themselves. That's her take on it. Are they big? They call it, quote, well, here's what it says. Built by Native American culture or migrant European population.

No one knows for sure. Oh, stop it. Allison's like, you put this up and you charge five bucks. Shut up. You know. A maze of man-made chambers, walls, and ceremonial meeting places at over 4,000 years old, America's Stonehenge is likely the oldest man-made construction in the United States. Like Stonehenge in England, America's Stonehenge was built by ancient people well-versed in astronomy and stone construction.

It's been determined that the site is an accurate astronomical calendar. Oh. Yeah. Also, there's randomly just alpacas walking around. Really? Yeah, that scream at you. That's no good. Yeah, she said it's rocks and alpacas and chain link fences.

That's all you see. It's very loud. Not a great place to visit. So there you go. That's things to do, everyone. Have fun doing all that shit. What a mess. I don't believe them at all.

I think that they did this and now they're just- Well, look. You want to see? Here. Move your chair. You can't believe them at all. I think that they did this and now they're just... Well, look. You want to see? Here. Move your chair. You can see. Look at the... It looks...

Oh, fuck you. Yeah. It's a stack. Give me a goddamn break. I can do that in my yard with a fucking wheelbarrow. It looks like an old guy is bored and he's retired and he built a wall. And then he's like, I could make a whole hallway in there. You can crawl through it and people think it's made thousands of years ago.

We have no idea what's going on there. So that said, let's talk about something we do know what happened. Let's talk about a murder. All right. Shall we? Or multiple murder, actually. First of all, let's talk about a young man. Okay.

All right. Let's talk about a man named James Grant. He's 20 years old in 1997. So, 97 we're going back to. Yeah, this is a bit of a douchey time. Yeah. This is a lot of, when you say like 97, 98, I just picture Sugar Ray. And I go into this, oh God, this like douche fetal position.

It was a lot of guys. A lot of frosty tips. Yeah, a lot of guys trying to look like they're not trying, but they're fucking trying. Oh, hard, hard. So hard. You know how hard it is to frost your tips? It's hours. Even if you make your hair messy with some gel in it after that, you still went to the salon for four hours to have that done.

You're trying, bro. Come on. So there's a young man, James Grant. His name, though, everyone calls him opie oh opie because he's yes yeah he looks like opie that's why yeah that's when you see him you go yeah that's opie there's a good reason for it hey opes what's going on so um neighbors said that they the grant family kind of kept to themselves here. James Grant, the only thing the neighbors have to say about them is that James Grant here, Opie, and his younger brother would often race their mother's car up and down the street like, quote, bats out of hell. So they would take their car and just race up and down the street.

Do we know what kind of car it is? Nothing special. Just their mom's car. Just running mom's wagon. Yeah. It could have been anything. Just a Dodge Omni. Running running mom's wagon. Yeah. It could have been anything. Just a Dodge Omni. Running mom's LeSaver down the street. That's all.

Oh, there's a little, thanks Chrysler LeBaron. That's all. Not even a convertible. Got a Cordova out here. It's got one of those pink K car, Mary K cars. That's what she's got. Her Alliant. Yeah.

She's like, come back. I need, I have to go drop off a bunch of eye shit whatever the fuck women put around their eyes i don't know the creamy shit i don't fill in stuff contour to deliver there you go maybe that i'm not sure so he um this guy here opie he's had a little bit of an infatuation with a young lady around here. A young lady named Leanne Milius. Okay. She's 17 years old. Uh-huh.

He's real into her. 17-year-old Leanne. Yeah. 20-year-old creepy guy is a little into her. And they've been, apparently, a few weeks before they were introduced to each other through mutual friends. Yeah. And he's real into her. She's not, like, totally totally into him but she'll hang

out with him oh so like he'll page her and they'll hang out so they've been see quote seeing each other a little bit on and off he's trying to get her to yeah go out with him sure but we don't know what's going on if there's any sort of right if she's reciprocating romantically at all for him he's trying his best to court her. Oh, yeah, big time. The caliber of seeing him that she is, he's there in eyesight. She's probably like, I don't know if I really want to be down with Opie. I'm not sure yet. He's kind of cool hanging out with him, but we don't know here.

Now, Leanne is a senior at Salem High. And like we said, they've seen each other a number of times over the past month, these two. But he's from Fitchburg, apparently, wherever that is. And so there's another, they're introduced to each other. And I guess her mother, Leanne's mother, says that he was repeatedly paging her over the last few weeks, just constantly toward the end of the summer of 97 here. Just annoying, you know. And just annoying you know and he's come over he's brought a couple friends over before and they're annoying and mom's not a huge fan of him and his douchebag friends yeah it's a lot so september 12th 1997 comes around here

and he's got a couple other friends too he's got uh eric zelenuski yeah zelenuski it's a long one here he's 19 that's one of opie's pals and um zelenuski here people say that his family was kind of also very um tight-knit and didn't really talk to many people zelenuski went to the army oh for a while and then i guess but then returned oh so so he finished or he's early kicked out he's only 19 it's a young fellow to have finished the army he didn't do it all he's not done yet so i don't know what happened here but he's home and not in the army and at one point he used to have a uniform so there's there's an issue there but one woman who lived near them said they seem like a nice family

good neighbors so they keep the lawn mode is what we know yeah that's that's all we can really tell at this point so eric here for some reason he would like go stay in motel rooms for long periods of time huh i don't know why well he would like to do drugs and drink okay uh meth he likes to he's a meth and drinking and uh at 20 at 19 19 and he just like live in a motel room for a while to do meth and drink and hang out with his friends army frowns upon that maybe that's why he's not in the army anymore where the hell is jelanuski where jesus christ seriously what the he can't do that he's just in a motel room drinking sarge he's got meth he's meth he's got meth he everything look at him he's shivering he's shaking yeah he just took apart his gun and didn't put it back together that's what he's i thought he was learning a field

strip but he just took it apart he put it back together there's four extra parts i don't know where these go i don't know where these go but I don't know where these go, but yeah, here it is now. And then he went and stripped all the sheets off his bed. I don't know what's going on, man. Looking for microphones, he said. I don't know what's happening. He's real cloudy, guys. A little cloudy.

So he holds up in a motel room. He bought a couple of movies, a couple of VHSs here. This whole week he had hung out drank done meth and watched scream repeatedly really repeatedly watching scream okay which was new at the time right that was a you know hot shit movie and was totally really into scream really loved it loved it that's all he was doing for a while there um yeah imagine watching that movie and not just going, hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

There it is. There we go. Great. All right. Hopefully they won't make five sequels of that. Keep going. Shit. But no, he just watched it over and over and was real into it.

Wow. So then there's a guy named Christopher Doucette. Okay. And D-O-U-C-E-T-T-E. He's 18 years old. He's part of this crew also here. He has served time in jail before. He's from Michigan, from northern Michigan. He served time in jail for larceny and also breaking and entering. So he's a fine, upstanding young man. How old is he already? 18. Holy shit. Yeah. So we already have a guy who's been in jail for

breaking and entering and someone who is from what i can tell kicked out of the army already by 19 and 18 and a drug addiction and oh always does meth in hotel rooms while watching scream over and over with terrible cinematic taste jesus christ just an asshole this kid's an asshole. So is this one. So apparently they hung out, these two, Opie and this other one here. Eric or Doucette? Doucette and Opie hung out with Jill and Oosky in the motel room like the whole day before, the night before, the day of September 12th. Three dudes in one hotel room. Just hanging. Well, there's meth and booze of September 12th. Three dudes in one hotel room. Just hanging. Well, there's meth and booze in Scream to watch.

It's a party. Yeah. After a while, they start talking, and they're like, man, we should do something. You know? Like, this is boring. We're just sitting in a motel room. We have all this meth in our system. We should really put it to good use.

Yeah. So they start thinking, you know what we should do? You know what would be cool? Oh, God. It's like, we're watching Scream. Oh, Jesus. And this makes sense. We should just kill some young ladies wow want to just kill some chicks what the fuck that'd be fucking awesome right we'll just kill some chicks yeah they were

like yeah man sure you know and fucking holy let's do some more meth what's in your meth man fucking meth is in your meth i think this is not aberrant behavior for people who've been holed up in a motel room drinking whiskey and fucking smoking meth right kill some chicks and get more meth yeah that'd be awesome wow so other he had brought this up to other people too jelanuski apparently before like we should just kill some chicks and all of his friends always thought it was quote a mix of bravado and drug-induced craziness he's just all high and fucking because he didn't talk about it when he was sober really but when he was all high on meth he'd be like we should just kill some chicks man and they're like sure

yeah okay maybe the meth makes him what he really wants to be i think so or the meth is meth yeah and uh it's just you know we have we haven't faced like some shit like meth before really yeah not a lot of critical thinkers after no it really makes you do weird shit like you'll see people do shit and you go there's no way they did that before they did meth right yeah no way it's shocking truly i've said it a million times i can't believe anybody ever even tries it for the first time now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody should be well aware of what this shit does to you. I get how crack happened because people liked Coke.

Coke was fun. So then they went to the next level and the next level. The cheaper thing. Oh, it's a better high. It's quicker and cheaper. So that makes sense. But meth was just like, I got some poison. You want it?

It'll make you crazy. And people were like, ooh, give me some of that. I got some car battery and pseudofed want to try it can you sell it by the quarter gram because that sounds delicious like that's awful light this car battery and pseudofed on fire and breathe it what i don't know what's going on so he's taken meth yeah jelanuski. He's been watching Scream, also Scarface intermittently. That's the two? He'll watch Scream three times and then put a Scarface on.

Scarface is longer. It's so long. It equals like two screams. So you have to, I could see him doing that. But he balances them out with Scream and Scarface while he does meth. Wow. So the thoughts that are going in his head and he's just in a room just taking this all in. Drugs and murder.

Drugs and murder. Drugs and murder. So he was like, yeah, this is how you should do it. You kill girls, and then you sell. First you kill the girls, then you get the coke. Words of Scarface. Loosely quoting Scarface. First you get the meth, then you kill the girls, and then you rule the world.

And you do that because they sawed up your brother in a bathtub. That's, well, Jesus Christ. I mean, he was. That's one of the worst scenes. That ruined me for a minute. That was a bad scene. That's a tough one. That was a bad scene.

Yeah, they're all, yeah, that was a good one. Splashing his brother all over him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. While he's sitting there getting it all over his brain chunks on his face. God damn it. So they figure out, listen, we're hanging out in New Hampshire. We're going to go back. We're going to we're going back to Michigan here to stay at his grandmother's house or

something. They're going to go with Doucette to Michigan, these three. So they're like, you know, we should kill. We should do this before we leave. Probably, you know, that way we'll leave it behind and we'll go back to Michigan, you know, take off. We'll be less thought of if we're not here. Exactly.

Right. So they're like, okay, September 12th comes around and, um, you know, this has been taught. He's been talking about this for days and it's not really a big deal. So the three of these idiots are hanging out. Opie, Doucette and Jelanuski. And, uh, September 12th, they go to hang out with Leanne. Leanne's got a friend with her, too, a girl named Kimberly Farah, who is 18, just about to turn 19 in a couple weeks here.

So now Farah had dropped out of school the year before and was trying to get her GED. But she was like a cheerleader and all that kind of shit. One of her friends said Kim would have been a senior, but she dropped out. She had such a hard time because she had a lot of classes to make up. And she said, you know, but they were cheerleaders together before that. So not sure exactly what happened there. Her one friend or her counselor said, I remember thinking a couple of times watching her compete that cheerleading was really for her.

She's really good at that, but she just got distracted somehow and school didn't work. Yeah, I don't know. Well, she moved, too. She moved here two years ago. So I think maybe the move set her school. I don't know if it didn't have the same classes and she had shit to make up and just said, fuck it. I'll just get my GED. That's what I did.

It makes all the sense. And that's a bummer too it's because it sounds like she's got promise she actually yeah she she actually like does activities i didn't do any of that right the school never missed me they were like who else has weed to sell that's all it was was like they're on game day someone else have weed okay then we fine. We don't need him. So apparently it's a Friday night, and Leanne walks into – she goes to hang out with these guys, okay, with the three. It's the two girls and the three guys, and they go to get some pizza, which seems innocent. Common. Totally. I mean, when you're on meth, pizza's less innocent.

Yeah. But still. But it's a very common Friday night for a 19-year-old. It is. It's not a topping that they give at the salem house of pizza is the place can i get a special and a meth can you just sprinkle put it on top like if it was fresh garlic do that would you can i get a sausage meth do you say sausage no no no no just roll it in meth is what i want from you so he

they told uh leanne told a friend of hers that worked there that she was afraid of a young man that's all she said i'm afraid of somebody and um and we think it's grant because he's the one who has a crush on her he's they're there together and um later on she had mentioned opie so apparently that was uh this girl took it the employee took it as she's afraid of this opi guy that she's with okay so um they end up drinking a bunch they eat pizza they drink a shitload of beer and liquor everybody's having a good time they're teenagers on a friday night that's what you do you know what i mean so um they end up going to hedgehog pond park okay um that's hedgehog pond park is apparently where the kids go this is where you go to drink up going to Hedgehog Pond Park. Huh. Okay.

Hedgehog Pond Park is apparently where the kids go. This is where you go to drink beer. That's the party spot. Yeah. Somebody said they sit on the picnic table, smoke, drink beer, and talk. Okay. It's the hangout spot for teenagers. It's the bar when you're not old enough to go to the bar. Yeah.

The one kid who's 17 said there's no other place really to go in Salem. You just go there because that's the place you can go hang out. She said, you know, everybody felt comfortable going there. People would swim there. This young lady said, I've come here before. It's not a bad or a dangerous spot. You know. It's just where we all go.

Yeah, it's fine. She said it's totally fine. It's about 10 to 15 acres. It's got a small pond, fishing and swimming. It's got a bathhouse and picnic tables. Perfect place to go smoke once in 1997, what you're doing here. It's a small place. Nobody's going to be there.

Nobody's going to be there. Even the police chief here, Stephen B. McKinnon, said that Hedgehog Pond is an area known to police. He said, kids sit on picnic tables drinking a beer or two. There's no keg parties, but occasionally kids will go there and have a six pack. They don't even really care. It's innocent. There's nothing crazy going on. Who cares if there's four teenagers sharing a six beers?

Do we give a fuck really? We aren't going unless somebody calls us that they're disturbing them. That's it. That's all we care about. Otherwise, who gives a shit? So they get to the park. Apparently, the Kim Farah was alone with jelanuski yeah uh here and then um millius was uh was with grant and ducette was around as well so we had

leanne leanne was with opie jelanuski with kim farah and then ducette is kind of the odd man out wandering around so that's what they're doing. And it seems like a very typical Friday night. You know what I mean? So we figure, you know, they probably had some beers and went home. Except for 6.40 in the morning, there's a woman walking their dog. She's walking her dog out near the beach. Yeah?

By the pond? That's why you live in a place like this. So you can go walk your dog in a nice place in the morning. And she discovers the body of Leanne Milius out there. Her body was in plain view of a busy road. You could just see it off the road. At Hedgehog? Yeah, it wasn't even deep.

It wasn't in the woods or anything like that. Yeah, and Kim Farah then, later on, so they were like, oh God, what happened to Kim? And they found out she didn't come home last night either. Oh no. They found her also murdered behind a small beach house over there as well.

So they found the two of them. They found them within 90 minutes of finding one. They found the other. So then they said, well, okay, what else is going on? So they report her car is missing. Kim had a car going on? Uh, so they report her car as missing. Uh, Kim had a car, Kim Farah.

So they report her car is missing. And within an hour and a half of that, they receive a telephone call from the owner of North carpet or North carpet mills about what appeared to be an abandoned vehicle on his property. I bet that's it. Yeah. And the check showed it was from New Hampshire and it was Kim's car. So they're like, okay, that's interesting.

That's fucked up. So this is bad. It's just been abandoned out there. So they're wondering what the hell happened. They obviously want to talk to the three young men. They want to talk to Opie and the other two dipshits. Opie and the dipshits here. They didn't do a great job not being seen.

You know what I mean? No, no, no. That's what I mean. That's why they're like, well, what happened here? The one police officer said, we have a very good beat on them, and I think we're going to bring them into custody to have a chat with them. So that makes sense. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid.

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So there wasn't at least, this wasn't like something that, either way, they're murdered. Is it less, is it more horrifying? I don't know. I don't even know anymore. If it's't know. I don't even know anymore. If it's just murder, that's so much. I don't even know anymore. Fuck, that's so much. Yeah, I feel like almost like if you're going to rob somebody or whatever you do to somebody to get something out of the murder makes more sense than to just be like, I just want to kill a person.

That's weird. Getting the murder out of it is much worse, right? That's weirder. Yeah. God damn it. a person yeah that's weird getting the murder out of it is much that's weirder yeah i could i could see manipulation and other aspects but just to kill to kill seems really murder for silence is one thing but this this it's so much worse for the fuck of it yeah for the hell of it because scream was cool as a weird reason to do it so the uh they found none of that although they

they said that it's really bad, the wounds, too. Leanne was stabbed or slashed around the neck. There's a bunch of hesitation stabs as well on her. Her body was left on the beach. And Kim Farrah had her head bashed against a picnic pavilion. Good Lord. Yes. Against the column.

Yes. Holy shit. And then also stabbed as well and um it said it indicated that she may have been running away at the time and like kind of tackled and smashed against and then they stabbed her so god damn it yeah it's obviously insane we'll find out the details of this in a moment here so um the next day it's everywhere in this town. I mean, it's crazy. You don't kill two 19-year-old girls. No, 17 and 18. And also, the other thing, one's a cheerleader. They're pretty.

They're photogenic in the paper. This is a bad plan. I mean, it blows up. By the next day, friends of theirs are gathered at the police station to get information. There's like a horde of kids at the police station going, what the fuck's going on with Leanne and Kim? This is fucked up. So they give them the information they have that they can release to the public. They said they're believed to be

with several teenage males that they had recently met. That's what they're looking at. They said, you know, they haven't made any arrests yet, but they're the people they'd like to talk to. You know what I mean? One friend said that, yeah, Hedgehoghog pond park is normal and people go there to party but she doesn't think that kim and leanne would have gone off with people they didn't know too well but if you know guys when you're teenagers and you know someone for a month yeah you know them you know i know

that guy a month is forever and yeah it's. And even you meet them, you hear their name from their mouth and you say yours to them. Now all of a sudden you know them. You know them and you've eaten pizza and it's all fine. Oh, I know that guy. We watched Scream like eight times together. You don't know anybody. It's so weird. This girl says, I just don't think Leanne would be dumb enough to go off with a stranger to the beach.

But he wasn't a stranger. He's been chatting her up for a month. He has her pager number. That's the point. Yeah, he's been talking to her all the time. And that was big back then. No cell phones. So the pager was how you got a hold of people.

And this girl said they wouldn't just pick up guys and go to Hedgehog. That wasn't their style. So they're saying it must be someone they know. And it was. So, yeah, that makes sense. So they found state troopers in massachusetts find what they believe to be the murder weapon in the woods in andover uh the next day really so right away they find a knife and they have blood and it doesn't look good there

uh they also search for fingerprints and other evidence in the men's room of a mobile station in andover near where they found the knife where they believed that the they uh the killers had gone to clean up after the stabbings okay so they're looking they want they want to see if there's like some bloody fingerprints in the bathroom because who the fuck is going to clean up the mobile bathroom after you've done when you're done befouling a mobile bathroom with blood with anything yeah shit diarrhea puke blood you just go and you walk out nobody's gonna clean that up yeah they've got a towel that's that recycles for christ's sake no to dry i will not

use that people's bodily fluids are on that literally sucks trash in and then delivers you quote-unquote clean towel clean no i don't hear No. I don't hear a steam cleaner and a washing machine and something that goes above a certain temperature with soap on it. This is a loop of towel. No. Strangers fucking blood and snot and God knows what on there. No thanks. Gross.

So they end up, the cops issue arrest warrants for Opie Doucette and Jelanuski. Jelanuski. And because they say, based on what they're calling the theft of Kim Farrah's car. Oh. So that's how they're doing this. She's got a blue Chevy that was found abandoned, like we said. And so they also, police end up seizing Jelanuski's red Honda Prelude in Cadillac, Michigan, they find that. Oh.

Not anywhere near here. No. So, yeah, that was a couple, two days later they find that. So they believe that these idiots have gone to Michigan. So now they're hunting them in Michigan as well. So they followed them from. Three dudes in a Honda Prelude is not a good fit. That's snug.

That's a fart box right there boy man it's gonna smell like dorito farts forever in that place car though burning them right into the seat yeah those are nice those late 80s hondas are in early 90s honda preludes are fucking nice they had the all-wheel steering yeah they were badass but fuck for forget it if you got to get that shit repaired that's gonna be very expensive very expensive i never had that good of a car i had a girl that i did a girl that drove over the center median awesome one of those and fucked the undercarriage yeah you can't her dad was so mad because he had to fix all that under that under undercarriage steering oh my god that's terrible what a fucking idiot just pulled out of the tatum and greenway without fucking in center median yeah oh my god that Fucking intermediate? Yeah. Whack, whack, whack. Oh, my God. That is terrible.

Destroyed her car. Not even close, man. You got to realize. Girl. Did she not just gun it? What was the? You kissed me, so you're clearly dumb, but this is out of control. Holy shit.

So, apparently, the next day, Doucette had brought the other two morons to his mother's house in Manton, Michigan at about 1 p.m. on Sunday. They moved. They got all the way to Michigan. Yeah, they got right on it there. They're like, oh, time to go. We've killed. That's so fast. The mother said, they said the mother called the police as soon as they left.

Really? Yeah, she told them you can't come in the house. I heard you're wanted by police. She was notified by Salem police to give us a call if your son shows up. And they said he's wanted on serious charges. So she said, you guys aren't coming to my house. I heard you're wanted on serious charges. Serious from the cops means important.

They called from like 800 miles away. That's got to be important, right? Yeah. They wouldn't care if it was something small and figuring. So I'm going to say no. That's a big be important, right? Yeah. They wouldn't care if it was something small and figuring. So I'm going to say no. That's a big deal. Yeah. And yeah, that's what the cops said.

The mother told them that police were looking for them. She told them that the sheriff was on the way. So sheriff's on the way now. And they said, well, we can't stay then. And they took off from the mother's house. Wow. So when the cops got there, they were gone. They couldn't find him.

Where do they think they're going to go? Well, they found the car after that. That's when they found the prelude abandoned outside of the town of Manton, which is – and it also had a stolen license plate on it too. So they did that. So they – now deputies, about 2.30 a.m. Monday morning, they think they have them in a cabin in the woods outside Manton. How'd they get there? They're ready to go. On foot?

I guess they ditched it or they stole another car. Who knows? They're stealing license plates. Why not? They've murdered people. Let's steal a truck. Who cares? Take the whole bus.

Shit. Who gives a shit? So the cops end up showing up. They received several tips throughout the day from local residents who said they had seen evidence that three men were in the area. And so one of the cops here said one resident saw an open door on a trailer. So two officers went up, found the door open, and found some food in there. Who knows?

They then went to the next residence, a farmhouse, and searched it, and they couldn't find them there either. So they're looking all over the place. They raided some shit. A special police team surrounded one cabin finally and fired tear gas into it. Really? Yeah. And no one was inside. The owner's got to be pissed.

Yeah. Thanks a lot. Now the whole place is going to make me cry. Weird shit everywhere here. So they said we're running all over. We're getting all kind of tips trying to check them out. So finally 10 10 p.m that night they got a tip that there were they were in an abandoned house on the outskirts of manton michigan and so they said quote we got a tip on a house and we were checking the residents in the area and a search revealed all three suspects hiding in an upstairs room they were all in the attic like huddled together like idiots i'll never find us wow what this is we're really scarface yeah that's not he watched scarface but i don't think

he took much to heart there that's not the end of scarface they didn't find him huddled in an attic with two of his fucking idiot cohorts i hope they find our little friend shivering yeah they'll never find my little friend and he ran into the attic and hid and huddled with his friends for one to me and my friends i'm going to hide that's why because i'm hiding yeah so um yeah they said that they're likely will be charged with receiving property while they try to sort out the whole murder thing here so um they said the object here is to get the guys into custody and be able to question them in a safe setting for both them and the officers. Yeah, that's what it is.

We just want them to be safe. We just want it safe and sound. Very concerned with their safety. That's what it is here. Now, right away, Grant starts talking. Opie is. A chatterbox. Opie is.

Let me tell you what happened and how I was the least involved out of everybody. Okay. Yeah, so he went to Don Knotts here. I just pictured the Mr. Farrelly face over and over. Shocking surprise. You did what? Andy! Andy!

I never watched that show. I just know that he was on. I loved it. I don't remember a single plot, but I watched so much of it. I mean, he was always in trouble. That was a lesson that Andy was teaching him. Not in my regional orbit at all. It was just like, well, what do we do?

We're going down to the fishing hole. This has nothing to do with me. Click. I'm going. Goodbye. It was old and southern and slow and boring. And Ron Howard's just stealing shit. He's conniving.

I didn't like it. He wasn't a good kid. He's kind of a dick. Was he? Well, that's why this guy's Opie. Did he murder a chick by any chance? I don't think so. I don't remember that episode.

Maybe. Man, did he stab a chick ever? Maybe that's possible. Him and Don Knotts both. So this Opie, though, he's going to give it up right away here. He said that Jelanuski took the knife from Leanne's dresser

in her room. She had a knife in her room. Took that and handed it to one of the other guys, and somehow it ended up with Opie here. He had it. And they hoped to use it to rob a gas station later. That was the plan.

With a knife, which is a great robbery weapon when it counters between you. You know? That's great. It seems like in the 90s, every guy at a gas station had a fucking gun. You're going to bring a knife to a gunfight? Give me your gun. Well, I'll just back up a couple feet, and there's a counter between us, so it's going to be a lot of work for you to get to me,

and I'll grab a weapon by then and probably hit fight i got a broom i can hit you with the gun is scary because you don't have to be right next to me that's what's scary you can get me from over there that's from the from the bathroom in this place jesus so grant said that he while he sat alone on a bench at the park jelen uh jelenuski and Kim Farah were in a wooden shelter, the little beach house thing. And Doucette and Leanne were in the woods. So even though Opie's the one who really likes Leanne, I guess she was in the woods with this guy. So he said he heard a scream from the wooden bathhouse, or not bathhouse, beach house. So he approached Jelanuski and told him and said, what happened?

And he said, Jelanuski said, I stabbed her. I stabbed Kim and then he kicked her in the head. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then he said, I kicked her in the head and then I stabbed her and I kicked her in the head again. So there's that. Okay. Yeah.

He said that Doucette then got the knife. Then somehow he's in the woods with this girl. Somehow he said that Jelanuski somehow got him the knife while he was hanging out with Leanne over there. And he said that he and Doucette went to sit and talk with Leanne for a period of time hoping to keep her away from Kim's body. Yeah, I don't want you to see this. Don't watch. That's going to freak. It it's gonna ruin the whole night at that point um yeah it's gonna turn all screamy real quick so he said that he and grant says that he and doucette walked her to a picnic table where doucette rubbed her shoulders and neck and then he said doucette

suddenly pushed her to the ground and began to strangle her after he was rubbing her neck. Opie here, Grant, said that he held her legs down while Doucette repeatedly stabbed her. Grant said then he took the knife and stabbed her some more. And he said those were the hesitation ones were me in there. Yeah. He says, yeah, that's what happened. He said, yeah, he was a little bit jealous. And, you know, there was a whole thing like that.

So rather than them working it out amongst themselves and just whoever she likes, she likes, they decide, why don't we just both kill her? So, yeah, they go to talk to people. Yeah. They go to talk to people. The press goes to talk to Opie's neighbors. And one man, this is fucking amazing, who saw some kids being interviewed, ran out and yelled at the kids, quote, don't say nothing. Keep your mouth shut. Let's question him now.

Yeah. Why? That man's dangerous. There's been a murder of young ladies. Let's do this. Don't say shit, you bunch of of rats you goddamn fucking stool pigeons so meanwhile farrah's father says kim farrah's father william said you know he didn't know what's going on here they talked to him and he said it's obviously worse than you can imagine students at the high school also had like a big gathering for them. Like immediately in the next week, they had all these posters all up.

So we miss you, Kim and Leanne and all this type of shit. I mean, they made it a they made them a cause very, very quickly. These kids here, they sent us professionals from the Center for Life Management to go to the school. They said counselors there. Right. It was apparently really freaked everybody out. to the school they said counselors there and it was apparently really freaked everybody out i'm sure um the one kid is assistant superintendent of schools said the kids are at a heightened level of anxiety now if anything knowing that it's not someone from our own community who did this is making it a little easier on the kids okay but they're scared we're hearing that a lot of them

were scared last night if there's anything positive that can come out of a tragedy like this it's that people will refocus on what should their children are doing but not really because what are you going to tell a fucking 18 year old and a 17 year old they can't go hang out with boys they met like right i mean that's normal teenager shit even if we're doing anything crazy we at that age say things like yeah but that's not gonna happen to me yeah well you just can't anytime your teenager goes out or a teenager goes out, this shit can happen. You can't just keep them inside and go, no, you can't hang out with friends. What kind of weird shit is that?

No one's going to do that. So they said one guy said, our students are all a little spooked by what happened. And some of them are feeling a little bit guilty about things they've done and where they've put themselves at risk. Guilty? I don't know about that. No. They even have a big, it's Kim's birthday the next week, they have a big like birthday celebration for her. At the park, they

bring candles. It's a vigil. I mean, they don't like have a party. They don't start playing fucking cool in the gang and doing the Macarena and shit in 97. Yeah, fucking celebration. Boom! It's none of that shit. But, you you know they have candles and shit like that it's a lot more crying it's a little little sadder yeah they said tons of people turned out

for this though and the dad there said quote it was good to see a lot of people showed up and that a lot of people care yeah so that's nice anyway anyway so once they're arrested grant like we told you he said that i was just I held her legs down. And, you know, I was kind of real incredible story. It's a little hard to believe here. Then he talks again. And in a subsequent meeting when they're saying, look, one of you is going to tell the truth. I don't believe any of you are telling the truth.

And whoever tells the truth is going to get a deal for testify against the other. First one wins. But, I mean mean we got to know exactly what happened so grant opie says well that'll be me then yeah i'd like to get out one day but to do that he has to be honest and to get the deal he has to say this and it's bad, yeah, it was actually me, not Doucette, that stabbed Leanne in the throat. I'm the one who did those. It's cut her throat, basically. It was the other guy who did the superficial ones. That was Doucette. So I'm the monster is what I'm saying.

Same story, reverse it. Reverse it. Now I'm going to testify against him. That's how it works works which is weird as fuck and they're allowing it well they have to they gave him the deal and uh now he's this is what he's he's telling him so yeah so the whole plot is he said that he uh opie says that he ducette and jelenuski uh all drove to salem to see leanne at some Opie and Jelanuski took the knife from the dresser. Grant gave the knife to Jelanuski, who gave it to Doucette. He said that's how that worked. They

then put the knife in Jelanuski's car. Later on in the day, Opie, Jelanuski, and Doucette accompany Leanne and Kim to the playground. This is after pizza. And after also the boys have had plenty of booze and meth. Oh boy. Okay. So Leanne and Doucette went for a walk in the woods. Uh, Kim left, uh,

left Jelanuski and Opie to find Leanne. Where's Leanne? I'm going to go find Leanne. Okay. During this time, according to Opie, Jelanuski told him that we should totally kill these chicks, right? Get them.

We should totally kill them. And they talked about the idea together. Jesus. And went, yeah, I mean, they did a little pros and cons, and they said, all right, let's kill them. That's premeditated. Oh, they sat there and had a whole talk about whether they should or not, and finally they said, yeah, yeah, you know what?

Yeah, you were right. We should kill them. Cool. Yikes. So they decide they're going to do that. Shortly after this, after they decide let's definitely kill him tonight, Opie left to get a sandwich. He's hungry? He's just peckish.

He's a little peckish. He hasn't had a whole lot of meth, and that booze is just really swirling. Yeah, really go for a gas station quad. Just a real nice, yeah, like a gas station turkey on wheat. That's what I'm looking for right now. That's what everybody wants. The kind that just smells like mold. And one of those cases that doesn't have doors to guarantee the mayo is room temperature.

Absolutely. And grab it right from the front, too. The warm air has been hitting it all day. Matter of fact, get the egg salad. Take a chance. Take a chance. Sure, it looks like it's got a crust around the outside of it and that's an unnatural color of yellow that nothing is but yes

you should totally eat that so he went to get a sandwich he said when he returned doucette and jelanuski were fighting with each other oh somehow so we now arguing somehow it went from we should kill them cool i'm gonna get a sandwich to now those two are fighting and the girls were getting upset at the fighting stop fighting i'm in the woods with you two idiots can you stop fighting you're acting all meth-y yeah opie said that the fight was a fake fight though designed to separate the two women like oh it was designed to be like well yeah you go walk over there with him, you go walk over there with him, and you go walk over there with him,

so they're not fighting with each other type of deal. Okay, yeah, pull us apart. This was a setup. Separate us, yeah. That's how premeditated it was. They actually have a fucking setup. Like, it's like a prison hit. This is crazy.

They're going to separate us, which separates them. Wow. So, I guess, according to them, they returned to – I guess they had returned to Leanne's house. This was outside. They returned to the house. They went inside. It was at this time that they again discussed how they were going to separate the two of them and agreed that they would – one would walk off with one and one would walk off with the other.

Doucette would walk off with Leanne. Jelanewski would walk off with one and one would walk off with the other. Doucette would walk off with Leanne. Jelanewski would walk off with Kim. So they returned to the car, and then they went to the park. When they arrived at the park, Doucette and Leanne went into the woods. Jelanewski and Farrah went to the bathhouse. Okay. Now, Opie remains at a picnic table. I guess within minutes of them arriving at the park, because this was the whole plan once they got to this park,

Jelanewski had already stabbed Kim to death in the bathhouse within minutes of them arriving. They just got there, went in there, okay, just started stabbing her. on zelenoski uh here while um while grant was with was with uh switched off and grant was with opie was with leanne now when doucette returned he pulled opie aside and opie says that uh doucette had got the knife from zelenoski and then said here and gave it to grant when he went in the bathhouse he got the knife then he gives it to Opie. Opie says that Doucette was crying and emotional and begged Opie not to stab and kill him, which makes no sense.

This is meth. This is a lot of meth going on right now. So according to, wow. Because he's seen Scream, and at the end they got to stab each other oh i guess maybe that's what it is say that there's some assailant getting that's maybe that's what he's trying to do man jesus what a piece of shit yeah so um according to grant do set that said that the two of them have to kill ian now so grant had told do set that he couldn't do it so then doucette returned with grant to the bathhouse to look at farrah's body to kim farrah's body let's look at it for a while so according to

to opie here he and uh doucette returned to leanne and the three of them walked uh walked to a picnic table near the pond apparently that's when doucette started caressing and then massaging Leanne's shoulders and head but then grabbed her head and tried to snap her neck what he tried to do like a fucking Jean-Claude Van Damme Steven Seagal quickie neck break like in a movie which does not work no it does not work if you've seen that movie guy movie, a guy just goes, pa, and then the person moves an inch and drops down dead. That doesn't work. But he tried to do that. Yeah.

He tried to do that to a human being. Even when they hang somebody and it snaps their neck. That doesn't break half the time. No. And even when it does, their body just, it's not the end of it. He just goes, pa, like a ninja. Just, pa, one shot, and it's supposed to work. But it doesn't work, and Leanne instead jumps back.

And that's when Doucette lunged at her. And Grant said that Doucette started choking her and strangling her and wrestled her to the ground, strangling her at that point. He continued to squeeze her neck until she stopped moving, is what he says. I mean, he strangled her. That takes a while. Once Leanne was unconscious, that's when Doucette told Opie to stab her. until she stopped moving is what he says i mean he strangled her that takes a while once leanne was unconscious that's when doucette told opie to stab her stab her now so opie comes in and

stabbed her twice in the throat which were huge it's more than two little it's he didn't wasn't like there you go i mean these were murderous stab wounds when leanne then screamed from that she came to from that apparently jesus doucette then kneeled down on her neck for a period of time to keep what a fucking monster jesus christ i hate these kids neither of them are they're all pieces terrible yeah these are fucking girls you idiots like are you kidding me christ Good Christ, man. Ugh, I'm just, this is, I'm disgusted by this shit. So when, then they restrained her at that point while they were kneeling on the neck. And that's when Doucette used the knife to inflict a number of less serious wounds to her, Leanne's neck and abdomen. Just stabbed her a bunch of times.

Because he's not mad, he's scared. He doesn't want to do it. Yeah, he doesn't, well, he doesn't, doesn't want to do it. Yeah, he doesn't. Well, he doesn't. He's scared to do it. We're hoping he's got rage that she won't date him. Apparently. This dude's got nothing except for cover this up.

He was crying. He's cried three times tonight already. He's on a roller coaster with this mess. He just wants to get high. So in the court here, the families of the victims and suspects and all the court hearings in the beginning when they're arraigned and all that kind of shit, they're kept like very far apart from each other because some of these families want to kill these people, even though that's their kids that did it. And they had to do a special warning of no outbursts and nobody did anything.

They were all good. of a, at this point, newer, sophisticated genetic test that shows that a stiletto, the blade, the knife, almost certainly was the weapon used to murder the girls. If they succeed, it'd be the first time this test has been accepted as evidence in New Hampshire. It's just DNA. It's like a very specific type of DNA. They said this sophisticated new DNA test

that shows that specks of blood on the stiletto found wrapped in a T-shirt in an Andover, Massachusetts industrial park matched the blood of Milius and Farrah. It's just you need less at this point. So they said the victim's blood was also found on several items of clothing. All of them had both of their blood all over them. Of course. All of them had it speckled everywhere. So they were both, all of them present when that happened? Yeah.

Wow. And they walked in. They got on their shoes if they stepped. It's, you know. They said the motion does not say whether the suspect's DNA was found in any of these articles. The tests were done in Quantico at the FBI lab and all this type of shit. The defense, though, wants to argue that the PCR test, which is the most common thing in the world now, is not reliable enough to be evidence in court. And it's the most reliable. That's what they use.

They said the FBI laboratory and court cases from other states even show it's unreliable. They said DNA is taking a drop of blood. PCR is taking a speck. So it's way different. Sorry, it works better yeah there are too many factors and variables that come into play on contamination and on the testing mythology uh mythology they use uh in a world in a perfect world it is probably good science but on planet earth i don't think it is this ain't a perfect world not a perfect world yeah uh all the pcr is is just an older sample

of blood or extremely small sample basically how they solve crimes now right it's very very good yeah uh that at this point though they're talking about the last time pcr testing was in a big made a big deal of was the oj trial and it was attacked by the defense lawyers. So, you know. And he got off. He got off. So a friend here, a girl named Bethany Taylor that got interviewed for the newspaper, she knew Leanne from high school. She came to court to watch this. And they said, why did you come to watch? And she said she had to see what kind of a person could kill her friend. Wow.

She said. Yeah. She said she heard rumors that one of them was on crystal meth. And, you know, she didn't know. So she got there at the end. They said, do you get your answers? And she said, I don't know. They look like normal people, but they must have something bad inside.

What did she expect? Horns? Like, yeah. She needed those drooling jaws. Yeah. When you walked in the court, they went, ah, and tried to lunge towards you, and the bailiffs had to hold them back. She needed spines coming out of their back. They looked like normal dipshit kids who did meth for three days

and made the dumbest fucking stupid asshole decisions in the world. They're assholes. So they're being held without bail, obviously. So they said at the time, they were saying, well, one of them's got to cooperate against the others because they hadn't said that Opie cooperated. They said, quote, in my heart of hearts, this is the prosecutor. I think one is less culpable than the other two based on the nature of the evidence we have and the nature of the people we're dealing with.

So that's what he's trying to, like, put it out there that when we do announce this deal, it's not a big deal because he's less culpable you know what i'm saying don't don't be mad at me here um i'm sure the state would uh like that given there are only five witnesses and two of them are dead is what the prosecutor what the defense said which seems terrible he also says prosecutors have no clothes they have no murder weapon and from my limited understanding they have no eyewitnesses they have a murder weapon they have their clothes they have victims blood on their clothes they have all these things we don't have eyewitnesses of the event but we got witnesses putting you together yeah and then we have one guy who was participated in it pretty fucking hard here um so they're gonna let jelanuski plea okay okay now the parents are pissed i'm sure they do not want any plea. The plea agreement would give him a chance of parole after 35 years.

Parents, though, William Farah, who's Kim's father, said, quote, I don't understand how this society can plea bargain with animals. He's a construction worker from the Boston suburbs. He's like these fucking animals. They're animals. And, you know, I don't blame the guy. It's what you would want to get a fucking job and just do it the right way yep he said he wanted the death penalty he said he said it was the same as in the paper there was a pit bull that killed a horse and they put the pit bull down what's the difference he said they killed that dog and this

guy killed my daughter a pit killed a horse a horse so they killed the pit bull which just seems like wow it's a lot bigger than you. Good job. Talk about nature. Wow. Some nature shit right there. So he, the father, was accompanied by Leanne's mother, Mary. And Mary said that the details of all this have brought the two of them together, and they're now living together.

They're back together. No, they're not back together. It's one of the girl's fathers and one of the girl's mothers. Oh, hey. They're now living together. Hmm. They were both divorced. Oh, okay.

Yeah, they didn't break up their families for it. They were two people that were divorced, and they share this horrible, tragic thing. Now they're just going to be together forever. That's beautiful. That's nice, I guess. Yeah, it's nice. It's really nice. Now they're just going to be together forever.

That's beautiful. Nice, I guess. Yeah, it's nice. It's really nice. So, yeah, she said that the mom, Wallace here, said that she had met Jelanuski, Doucette, and Grant in her house before the murders. They had come over, remember? She remembers Jelanuski as, quote, being loud and obnoxious. He's a dick. I hate him.

Talking about Scream all the time. He really sucks. Saying, like, say hello to my little friend. A lot of shit like that. Things in a weird Cuban accent that's not very good. Real obvious why he's not in the army anymore. Very, very strange. So now maybe no deal, though, because he pleads to this.

There's an outrage here. So the prosecutor or the judge ends up rejecting the deal. Or the prosecutor ends up in the end rejecting the deal, saying that Jelanewski should serve at least 55 years, not 35 years. So they pull it back. Grant, though, Opie gets a plea deal in exchange for his testimony against the others. He gets you, sir. A fuck off. Twenty five to life.

Unbelievable. He gets. OK, yeah. The Doucette trial, on the other hand, he's got a Opie's going to do this, you know. Unbelievable, man. slash her throat once or twice oh glianne's throat um they said medical evidence showed she died from the first two stab wounds to her throat you delivered those right and he said quote yes i'm aware of that oh my god so what are we doing here exactly um so you're saying you killed her and then you get less than this guy plea bargaining a guy that just admitted to actual murder like the worst part of it well i guess the other guy, too.

Jelanuski's pretty fucking bad, too. So he said he slashed her throat a couple of times and stabbed at her stomach but never broke the skin. So, you know, I just did a little, like, stabby stab, slashy slash here. He said that he was the one who made the hesitation wounds initially, but then he changed his mind now and said now it's the other guy who did it so he said um there wouldn't be anything else to blame on chris ducette if you admitted you stabbed leanne millius in the stomach is what the guy said the defense attorney earlier in the day he had tried to pin all of this he was they were trying to the defense is trying to discredit opie the whole time and then opie gets on the stand and says exactly what they need him to say yeah so you kind of can't really discredit that at that point so they're really in a weird spot like he's an honest man we changed our minds um

they also accused opie of making up doucette's role he didn't do anything right you're just talking you're just talking shit about scream because because that's not true. Because he also said that Opie said, though, he was telling the truth when he said that they both stabbed Leanne, but that Doucette tasted her blood. Oh, my God. Yeah. He said he testified that Doucette stuck his finger in the stab wounds and licked the blood. Yes. So much worse than just like rubbing the blade on your tongue that you got your hand in it and the the attorney said well that's actually a scene from scream yeah they said

um it's and they said it sounds like you're writing a bad story and opie said it is a bad story sir but it's the truth okay he also said that before leaving leanne's body he went through her front pockets then rolled her over and went through her back pockets. You got to rifle the body, of course. He said that he knelt beside her body and closed her eyes. And the defense attorney said, how do you close your eyes if she's on her belly? And he said, I don't know. Yeah, I forgot about that part.

This is a great testimony here. So the deliberations that goes into multiple days of deliberations that uh they have jury has a lot of questions about first degree murder or second degree murder yeah and so they keep coming out and asking more questions the judge has to keep parsing okay it's second degree if it's this it's yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of planning and premeditation and all that kind of shit so they find uh doucette here guilty of second degree murder really they sat around planning it yeah like i'm sorry um sentencing here you sir may fuck off 37 and a half years to life he gets okay that's odd i think opie is bad, and Opie is getting policed. I think all three of them.

Oh, they're terrible. They're all terrible. Awful kids. But yeah, Opie's the worst. He seems bad. Jelanuski killed all by himself in that bathhouse, too, which is creepy. And we knew that he was a piece of shit. Yeah, yeah.

He's all meth-y and kicked out of wherever. So 1998 is his trial, Jelanuski, and it's the same exact information as Doucette's trial. Grant testifies the same way, and it only takes eight hours of deliberation. I can't believe it took eight hours. It's just between first and second degree murder is the only deliberation they're doing. No, he did it. I mean, it's pretty fucking obvious.

So he is found guilty of first degree murder. They find him. Now, sentencing, there can be a little bit of leeway here and the judge has a good one you sir may fuck off was made for this guy because he he might as well have said you sir may fuck off he said quote this was a senseless murder and the worst case i have sat on in my 15 years on the bench you You don't want to hear that from a judge. There was no reason for those girls to die other than to satisfy you and your grisly gang.

Then he's you, sir, may fuck off life without parole. Oh, and then he says to the bailiff, quote, get him out of here. Get him out of my get him out of here. He says, don't even let him gather his shit get him the fuck away from me i don't even want to look at you he said that like it's his dad i don't even want to look at you that is awesome that's a you sir may fuck off he literally said get him out of here fuck off you sir may fuck off out of my courtroom. Life without. Yes. Kim Farrah's parents here, the father, he is satisfied. He said, people like that should be executed pure and simple.

He does not belong on this earth. There's no value to that human being. I like that. There's no value to that human being is something that's good. A lot of value there. is something that's good. A lot of value there. Her mother, not the actual mother,

his divorced ex-wife here, said that she believed that if Jelanuski had been freed, he would have killed again. She said, I'm just so relieved that he can't do this to anyone else's family. In 2000, William Farah and Mary Wallace, the mother and the father, get married. Hey! That's something decent came out of this.

Now, 2003, Doucette's trying to appeal. Uh-huh. On what grounds? On the grounds that their principal witness, Opie, is a bullshitter. He's full of shit. And also, the court improperly limited cross-examination of him as well, even though they ate his ass on fucking cross. I mean, they made him look like an idiot on cross. It didn't matter. They asked you to

describe what you did, and you logistically ruined that. You fucked it all up. You didn't even have the, yeah, you didn't even have the time and space right. This is terrible. So the judge said they were unclear on whether the alleged failure of consultation constitutes the denial of Doucette's

right to effective assistance of counsel. And in the end, they go, nah, you're good. Keep on keeping on, shitbag. You did just as bad as your counsel or worse. Get him out of here. Get him out. Get him out.

September 16th, 2017 is a 20-year vigil they have. Oh, my God. They have a 20-year vigil. Yeah. And the father,iam farah he speaks and says i was in a funeral home on the morning of her 19th birthday picking out a casket with her mother jesus christ that is bleak oh my god fuck man um and uh they say he also goes on to say five people lost their kids that night not just two the other people lose their kids, although they can still talk to them if they want to,

and they can probably touch them in life. But we don't get that option. Said a lot of them. He was happy that all these people, kids that went to high school with them, showed up now. He said a lot of them were friends that those kids, they grew up with them 20 years ago, and it's kind of heartwarming in a sense. This is not part of the grieving process. This is part of a celebration of who they are so that's nice and in 2021 the parents here mary

wallace and mary i guess farrah now um they were instrumental in their trying to revitalize this park park shitty they had a skate park there for a while it got condemned a hedgehog yeah it's just kind of run down so they're trying to make it a place make it a nice and a safe place um and mary said kids need a place to go and have fun it's not our favorite place but we still live in town and see kids out here skating when we drive by and the other parents said they we've only really stepped in this park to you know on anniversaries of my daughter's death. So it's pretty gross. But we kind of like it to be nice for the kids.

They should have a nice place to go. And they were trying to raise money. They had all these fundraising shit. So I don't know if they ever got to their goal or not. But nice. Good for them. But yeah, these three idiots are still in jail. Wow.

Thankfully. Hopefully never get out that is those three are wow just ruined children right i don't understand what they did they're just like let's we should kill a chick cool man and then they like just do it like what are you doing i don't i don't there's no advantage to what they did they got nothing out of it how do you how do you have that conclusion how are you still that influenced by movies at that age i don't know i mean meth is a part of it yeah let's let's be honest yeah meth is certainly a part of this there's no yeah this is i don't think this happens without a little bit of meth in the mix probably right meth and booze but still you have to have it in there yeah to begin with it's got to be there to pull it out yeah you could give me a lot of meth. I don't think I'd start killing strangers.

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