Small Town Murder - #387 - The Rantings Of A Serial Killer - Clarksburg, West Virginia

Episode Date: May 18, 2023

This week, in Clarksburg, West Virginia, police receive several letters, and a 2 hour audio tape, from what appears to be a serial killer. He claims at least 6 murders, and several fires, and police start to put together that he may be telling the truth. This is confirmed, when bodies are found in different locations. But is he lying about some other murders, or is he actually hiding even more? A wild story, directly from the mouth of a serial killer that would have left anyone who listened, a bit disturbed!!Along the way, we find out that Italians used to live in West Virginia, that people sound a lot more dumb, when they misuse big words, and that no matter how much you dig, you might not find all the bodies!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy, yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on another wild one, and it will be. I promise you that we have a lot, a lot for you today. You want to hear crazy in a man's own crazy words?

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What you're going to get is 1979. The White Sox thought it was a good idea to explode a giant pile of disco records on the field in between games of a doubleheader. And instead they got riots and fires. So that's pretty cool. We'll talk about that. And then for small town murder, one of the craziest things I've ever heard of, Sherry Papini, California woman who staged her own kidnapping. And the big question is why it wasn't for wasn't for love, wasn't for money, wasn't for any of the normal motivators. I think I know why. And it's the creepiest reason we've ever heard of and something that people will be very interested in. I think this wild story and her interrogations and confessions and holy shit patreon.com slash crime and sports is where you get all of that and um disclaimer time this is a comedy show yeah it is this is a comedy show uh we're comedians we're gonna make jokes there will be murder also that's the thing there's gonna be

death see what we don't do though how we make this work is we go out of our way not to make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we're assholes. Yeah, but? But we're not scumbags, and that's how that goes. So if that sounds good to you, man, are we going to hear a crazy story. If not, you think true crime and comedy should never

go together. I don't know. Maybe it's a bad date. Who knows? But we'll see. I think you should give it a chance and I think you'll enjoy it, hopefully. And if not, we warned you. So there you go. We're covered either way. That said, I think it's time, everybody. It's time

to sit back. What are we doing here? Clear those lungs. You clearing them out, Jimmy? Get rid of all this. Let's do it. Let's clear it out. It's spring time. All our allergic lungs. Let's clear it out. It's springtime. All our allergic lungs, let's clear them out. And let's all sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Okay. All right. We are going to West Virginia again. It's that time again. Everybody, ring the bells. Do we have to? Put the sirens on. It's West Virginia time.

Here we go. Twice a year or so, we're in West Virginia, and it's always a special kind of a chef's kiss kind of a party time in West Virginia. We're going to Clarksburg, virginia here um this is in the like northern west virginia it's kind of like the top part of the chicken there in between the legs and everything so um i don't think i know where all of it is it's a it's a tilted chicken pointing toward pennsylvania okay oh yeah because you can go through it in New York to get to Pennsylvania. No. No?

West Virginia? No. You go through West Virginia to get from Pennsylvania to Ohio. Ohio. That's it. We went. We drove from Pittsburgh to Cleveland, and we had to go. We were like, oh, no, entering West Virginia.

Uh-oh. They're going to be looking for us. This isn't good. It's about an hour and 50 had to go. We were like, oh no, entering West Virginia. Uh-oh. They're going to be looking for us. This isn't good. It's about an hour and 50 minutes to Pittsburgh. That's the closest major city here is Pittsburgh. Is that right? Yeah. Three hours and 40 minutes to Hensley, West Virginia, which was our last episode, which was Horror in the Hills

and oh God, I remember that. All the West Virginia ones are more insane than the one before. This is in Harrison County, area code 304. We have a lot of nicknames and mottos and things for this town. Oh, yeah. Nicknames that they have, first of all, Jewel of the Hills. Okay.

Jewel of the Hills. Obviously, it's in the hills up there. Oh, and it's the place you want to be. Yeah. Half of these towns say they're the jewel of the hills. Unfortunately, that jewel is coal, so that's not the best jewel. Another one, almost heaven. Oh, almost.

I think they just mean elevation-wise. They're like, if I can get up on the top of the hill, that's going to be closer to heaven, I think. I think it is, right? I'm almost in a cloud. That's going to be closer to heaven, I think. I think it is, right? I'm almost in a cloud. That's perfect. Almost. And then finally, proud past, unlimited future. Oh.

Not a lot is happening here. While the future, by definition, is unlimited, you can see where the limits are, I think, when we go over a few things with the town. You go, oh, there's some limits here that I didn't't realize i think they got a limit or two going on here west virginia proud of the past is that right proud past of uh of coal mining and we'll talk about a little bit of their past here with the history uh kind of settle settlers started coming 1772 and claiming land around where clarksburg is and started building cabins. This is what I want up here. And the Virginia General Assembly authorized the town of Clarksburg in 1785.

It's named for General George Rogers Clark. And he fought a lot in the against the British and Indians during the Indian Wars and the War of the American Revolution, of course. Plural Roger. Plural Roger. Rogers. And yeah. Now, George Washington, the first president here, he proposed that the General Assembly also authorize a road from Winchester, Virginia to Morgantown, West Virginia, or Virginia

at the time, in 1786. And a branch of that road is how Clarksburg became to exist. Is that right? Yeah, because the branch went through there. They were like, oh, now we can get out here. So that exists because of George Washington. The Clarksburg became one of three cities in the late 1800s from which West Virginia voters would select the state capital.

So it could have happened. Oh? It's not the state capital. So lost. Yeah. So the when this was all going on, it's centrally located in the north part of the state, but central in the middle there. Clarksburg, Clarksburg got some industry and manufacturing mainly involving glass and coal. OK. Yeah.

Making something that's making soot and then something nice that you can see through. So it's very dichotomy here. The city, the telephone service here was the first in the state. Began in the mid-1880s. And so there's that. It was called at that time a sleepy moss-covered town. That sounds disgusting. That sounds disgusting. That sounds gross.

Why would you want that? I picture, of course you're going to look like you're sleepy if you're covered in moss all day. Yeah. Walking around covered in moss. Sounds like a bunch of lazy monsters. That does not sound great. So in 1929, the population had reached 35,000. Wow.

And then the Great Depression hit. Uh-oh. And the Farmers Bank closed in 1929, and the Bank of West Virginia failed in 1933. Oh, boy. And Clarksburg began falling in population. Sure. And it's fallen further to this day, as a lot of these West Virginia towns have. Is that right?

Oh, yeah. There's been a lot of stuff going on here. There was a militia issue in 1996. Seven guys in some militia were arrested on charges of plotting to blow up the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division complex. Yeah, they accumulated large quantities of explosives and blasting caps. And they obtained blueprints of the FBI facility from a firefighter in Clarksburg. Can you stop? Oh, my God. Yeah, 50 grand he sold them for, the firefighter. Yeah, that's a lot of cash.

So that's what happens here. Then everybody ended up getting arrested. The firefighter got a year in prison. Only a year for the firefighter. So reviews of this town. Let's see what we got here. Five stars. Here we go.

Clarksburg is my home sweet home. Isn't that nice? It's located in Harrison County. It's an everybody knows everybody kind of town. We have a shopping plaza that hosts lots of restaurants such as, ready for this, Texas Roadhouse, Primanti Brothers, which is, I ate that at the Pittsburgh airport the other morning because it was open. So it's a chain. It's a chain, yeah.

They told me, we're out of breakfast potatoes, which are just square potatoes. They're not like hash browns. So I was like, okay. And she said, we have French fries. And I went, good morning. I literally said, but that's still a potato that's fried, right? And she's like, yeah, it's just a different shape. Yeah.

Throw them in there then. Sounds great. I don't care. Perfect. I don't want my potatoes in that shape because of the time of day. I'm not an idiot. I don't care. You tell me they're long the time of day. I'm not an idiot. I don't care. You're telling me they're long breakfast potatoes?

That's what they are? Okay. Yeah. Great. This is how our breakfast potatoes come. Oh, they look like long French fries. Look at that. Perfect.

I'll eat them. No problem. And then they brought me regular breakfast potatoes anyway. I was like, where'd you find these? Which made me worried because I'm like, where'd they dig these out of? We found this old bag. He was okay with fries. No, serve him the old bag.

No, serve him these. This is an order left over from yesterday that no one dumped in the garbage. If we refry them, he won't know the difference. So Texas Roadhouse, Primanti Bros, Chick-fil-A, and McDonald's, to name a few. Those are not restaurants, Frank. They're name-dropping over here like, hey, listen, I got some stuff we need to talk about. Downtown, we have several small businesses, the courthouse, and the DMV. Wow, this place is a dream.

And the DMV. And the DMV. Clarksburg is also home to two high schools, six elementary schools, and two middle schools. Wow. That seems like a lot, right? Yeah, a mid-sized small town. That's what that seems like. Five stars.

I love the family relations that Clarksburg has. Ew, don't say that at all. Don't say that at all, ever. Don't say that when we're talking about you know when you get when you're you're stereotype here's the thing i have a certain stereotype so i try to avoid it try to avoid gold jewelry gaudy things like that you know making loud ostentatious displays and things very busy wallpaper in your home yeah yeah, foil and velvet mixed on one wallpaper. I try to avoid things of that nature just to avoid a stereotype.

If your stereotype is you fuck your cousin and marry your sister, don't say I love the family relations that Clarksburg has. Avoid that subject, and I won't say anything. Just skip the word relations. Relations. I love all the family that lives in clarksburg perfect um it is truly a wonder it is truly wonderful place there is no way i gave them too much credit to live although our crime on drugs we are battling with what is what happened

to this person mid-review the crime is on drugs drugs now. You know it's bad when the crime itself is on drugs. That's when it's gone over past the limit. Although our crime on drugs we are battling with. They are murdering the weed around here. Fuck, man. But by the grace of God, not only Clarksburg finds a way to stop drugs, but the entire world. Okay. So they want Clarksburg to stop drugs in the entire world or for them to stop the entire world?

Because the way it's written, that's the way they mean it. That's very confusing. I hope English isn't that person's first language. Let's put it that way. If it is, I'm disturbed. Here is two stars. The only thing I like about Clarksburg is that most everybody knows everyone in town. That's the one thing you like? That's the thing you do like. That's the thing I would abhorsburg is that most everybody knows everyone in town. Well, that sounds the one thing.

That's the thing you do like. That's the thing I would abhor the most. No, everything else about Clarksburg isn't actually sunshine and rainbows. The public school here are definitely less than average. Trust me, I know. OK, great. And there is literally nothing to do here. The drug use here in Clarksburg is also serving to be a huge issue. Almost everywhere you go, you'll sooner or later see a drug addict walking down the street out of their mind.

If you walk around enough, you'll see a drug addict, I guarantee you. Out of their mind. Out of their mind. That's just life. The weather is also extremely poor, and it's almost always cloudy or raining. There's nothing the town council can do about that. They can't fix that, unfortunately. The last thing I'd do is recommend living here. I myself will hopefully be out of this dump sooner than later.

There are a lot of things that could make this a good town but it lacks every single one of them the city may be good for adults but adolescent but for adolescents definitely not there is just nothing to do here and the city has no money to make something to do once again i don't recommend living here at all just in case you were confused yeah about there. That is interesting. Here's three stars. There isn't much to do in this small town. It has definitely gone downhill fast. The drug use has skyrocketed.

I don't plan on living here forever. That's why I'm in school. I wonder what drugs they're discussing because. Pills, meth. We've seen the wild, wonderful whites of West Virginia. Yeah, it's got to be the hard shit, right? It's pills and meth. That's what they're, it's the Boone County mating call.

Yeah. You know, the shake of the bottle. That's what it is here. There's got to be some dead serious drug addicts here, though. I would say so. So it's, they paint a bit of a bleak picture here. They do. A bleak landscape dotted with these, you know, wonderful glowing McDonald's and Chick-fil-A's

and Primanti Bros. with these uh you know wonderful glowing mcdonald's and chick-fil-a's and and primanti bros people in this town 16,085 it has really dropped oh yeah these towns in west virginia what back then there was tons of jobs in the mines and places now and manufacturing now there's literally you can the mcdonald's and the dmv are and that's it. So not a lot here. Less married people than normal. More divorced people than normal. More widowed people than normal. Maybe that's why there's less married people. They're all getting divorced and killing each other, dropping dead.

More single with children is, like, double the norm. So it's got – and the economics of it are not great either here. Race of this town, 91.1% white, 2.7% black, 2.5% Hispanic, 0.3% Asian. Religion, it's 50-50 just like normal here. They're all spread around too. There's some Baptists, some Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists. Methodists are actually the highest group. So let's see here.

Last election in this county, 30.2% of the people voted Democratic, 67.9% Republican, 1.9% Independent. And unemployment's about average here. Median household income is the low thing, $40,068. Oh, no. Is that. So that's pretty low. Lucky for them, cost of living is also low oh that's great west virginia uh the real estate market is not hot up in the hills really so um the median home cost here 93 500 which is like yeah less than it's like a quarter of the

national average that's very affordable but that's frightening when they're all that low. Yeah, it's interesting. Put it that way. I can't wait to hear about it. It's very interesting. Well, if you can't, then let's strap it on. And we have for you the Clarksburg, West Virginia Real Estate Report. estate report okay your first house i found here this one is uh i don't know how to describe it it looks like it looks like it was a bigger house but the hillside took some of it that's the best

way it's on a hillside in the house or into the hill? Yeah, it's real weird. Half the house is exposed. The other half is in a hill. It's a four-bedroom, one-bath, 956-square-foot house. I don't know. Fascinating. That's more like a bunkhouse. Four bedrooms and less than 1,000 square feet. That's a custom home is what that is.

It's a weird-looking place here. I'll tell you that. It looks like it's all trees around. You're on a hillside. It's definitely not a know, not a lot of neighbors to bother you anyway. $27,900 for that. Oh. So, I mean, that's the type of house. Cheaper than a pickup truck?

Cheaper than a used pickup truck. Never mind a pickup truck. Then we have a house in town here. So we'll look at kind of the in-town house. It is three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,769 square feet. Yeah, it's got like an old awning over the porch, kind of a real old-looking awning. It looks like it could be tin. It looks like possible tin.

It sort of matches the color of the house, but it looks like it needs a paint job. The house could use a refresh, put it that way. Not the best. $109,900, though, for it. Fantastic. I mean, that's pretty goddamn cheap. And there's a lot of houses here under $100,000. Is that right?

A whole bunch of them. Yeah, could have chosen from a lot here. Here is a house. This isn't bad. Three-bedroom, four-bath, T-hole for each and every B-hole out there for you. T-bowl. T-bowl. When I say B-hole, well, you can have a... T-Hole. T-Hole.

That's fine. T-Holes and b-bowls. I don't give a shit. What do I care? It's only on.68 acres, but it looks like it's pretty nice inside. Nice hardwood floors. Kitchen's very old-looking. That's over a half an acre. That's great. It's not bad. 3,932 feet.

It's got... It's very nice inside. There's a lot of updating that needs to be done, but you can tell it's been upkept and there's nice woods and stuff like that. It's in town. $349,900 for that. That's amazing. So, that's nice. We have to live

in Clarksburg, West Virginia, which is less nice. So, there you go, everyone, if you're dying to move there. Things to do in this town. Oh, boy. I found a couple. Number one, the Clarksburg Rock Fest and Block Party. Rock Fest.

Rock Fest, baby. There's bands. Oh, it's about music? Oh, it's about music. Rock. We're going to rock the block, baby. Okay. It takes place in Clarksburg at Jackson Square, and it is Memorial Day weekend.

And it's inaugural this year. It's the first one. Here we go. Here's our bands. Want to hear the bands? Okay. I'm riveted. It's not locals.

I think it's a lot of them are probably locals. Fall of Babylon. I think that's a fucking real band. Maybe. Last Year's Model. Okay. Dixie Duncan. Oh, no.

Be there for her. Stone Senate. No. No. Flaw. Okay. That's probably accurate. Tantric.

Yeah, Tantric's good. Okay. Saving Abel. Yeah. Okay. Trapped. Now we're doing it. Yeah, theseantric's good. Okay. Saving Abel? Yeah. Okay. Trapped? Now we're doing it. Yeah, these I've heard of.

Trapped is from fucking 2008. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's, they're going to get some people out there. And Puddle of Mud is the headliner there. That's the headliner. Holy shit. This is going to smell like Axe Body Spray. Oh, it's going to smell like Axe Body Spray and fucking probation is what it's going to smell like ax body spray oh it's gonna smell like ax body spray and fucking probation is what it's

gonna smell like this is a lot of piss tests lots of them a lot of people with uh a lot of people with ankle monitors in this one i feel like i gotta be home by eight now sit 7 30 yeah i don't give a shit a puddle of mud plate or not we gotta fucking go i'm end up in jail puddle of mud is headlining that's crazy it says kicking off this event with the national anthem is the extremely talented miss stacy ann swigger so yeah oh boy yeah be careful with that name yeah um so that's what's going on there and they're doing that and there's also it's at the end it says let's get ready to rock in all capital letters so bring your chuck liddell t-shirt and let's get down let's say that's not your thing no that's nobody's thing anymore it's not really

my thing i that seems like i'd be like whoa this place is douchey you know a lot of a lot of white oakley's on the back of a dude's neck type of deal. Yeah, yeah. That are like, when did you buy those? You bought those from a sunglass hut in a mall in 2006, and don't say you didn't. You bought those when Puddle of Mud was played on the radio. That's the memory. Unboxing your Oakleys while Puddle of Mud fucking rocked out in the bathroom.

Or in the bathroom in the background. In the bathroom. Or in the bathroom. Next up, let's say that's not your speed. How about Dan Cava Toyota presents the 44th annual West Virginia Italian Heritage Festival. What? Here we go. That's what you expect in rural hills of West Virginia.

There you go. That's what you expect in rural hills of West Virginia. Now, back in the day, there was a lot of Italians in these hills because, like I said, we'd come over here and they'd go, you look greasy, we can stick you right down a mine hole. Get down there. You look all lubed up. Let's go. Look at him.

He's all greased up already. Come on. Get him in there. I'm telling you. So that makes sense. But there's not too many of us left anymore. We've gone to places that have better pizza now. So they have events for this.

Freedy Sunday, which is the third Sunday of each month. That doesn't sound like a festival. Oh, they have this. Okay. April 8th is the spaghetti run. I don't know. You run around throwing spaghetti at each other, I'm sure. Yelling Mamma Mia or some fucking... Or you run and then the people on the sides of the course just throw fistfuls of al dente pasta in your face.

It's sticking to you like it's done. Oh, it's so hot. I can tell you it's finished because it's stuck to my face. Then there's a pasta cook-off as well. All right. I don't know how to see who is you make. Maybe that's homemade pasta because otherwise it cooks the same. Yeah.

It says 10 to 11 minutes. That's what it is. There's a bocce tournament as well. Okay. Yeah. And that's pretty much it. So what else do you do? Pasta and some bocce and they sit around and cook off a plan, plan a crime or two.

So speaking of that crime rate in this town. Yeah. Well, we're interested in here. Property crime is almost double the national average. What? In a tiny town like this. Yeah. The crime rate, property crime rate almost double.

The drug problem is out of control. Absolutely. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, property crime rate, almost double. The drug problem is out of control. Absolutely. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault here. The Mount Rushmore of crime is also slightly above average. So it's above average. This town is hopping. It's a cauldron. They're really getting after it.

They are. That said, let's talk about someone who certainly got after it. Oh, boy. Let's talk about a murder, Jimmy. Yeah, let's do it. Oh, boy. certainly got after it oh boy let's talk about a murder jimmy um yeah let's do it oh boy this is um like i said it's one thing a lot of times we'll we'll do a case and we talk about it and it's you know we have the evidence and the person denies it all the way through the trial so you never get like their version of it you never hear from them or anything like that it's just

here's the evidence and sometimes we don't get to figure out. And when I say we, I don't just mean on the podcast, just society. We don't get to figure out exactly what happened. We know the injuries that were inflicted, but we don't know what was the exact course of everything. And so then sometimes someone will talk and you're like, OK, good. This now we get a clarification and we get a little insight too which helps us figure out other criminals in the future then sometimes people will do what this guy did which is on june 1st 2009 a clarksburg police lieutenant named robert matheny receives

a package in the mail yeah okay uh inside are several letters and a two-hour audio tape Yeah. he'll be like okay that's it it's over and then it'll start up again you know a little while later and be like one more thing and he does this keep your eye out for that because when i say click that's that's when like he ended recordings and then it'll be like but there's another thing i got for you like it'll pop back it's hilarious it is when i was a kid we'd go to my uncle's house and he'd get super drunk and then we'd be leaving and he'd follow us out the door and then lean on the passenger window that's been rolled down and continue the we'd sit in the truck listening to this man for another 35 minutes you gotta start rolling up is the problem that's rolling the window up or just put it in drive and like oh yeah you gotta start rolling oh okay i'm sorry no matter what he might be offended but he'll definitely get the

hint and probably won't do that again you know what i mean it was every time oh we're pulling out sorry here i'm gonna it's cold out i'm gonna roll this up walking us out god damn it stop jesus christ and this is worse because this guy's gonna be giving us more and more awful details everybody has that person who's like, I want more thing. You're like, ah, for Christ's sake. Jesus. You've made 12 points. Well, this guy keeps coming back with more and more shit where you're like, why would you stop before he's saying that?

Should have said that to begin with. So they get this. This is the recording. And here goes. Now, a couple of things to tell you about. Some of the, it has a couple redacted things, has redacted names in it that of people that he is blaming and calling co-conspirators that are fully investigated and had nothing to do with it. And he's just like throwing some fucking shade on people to try to try to take him down with him, I guess, is the deal here. It's an odd, meandering, weird.

So we'll try to make sense of it and try to go. And I'm going to read it just like he writes it. I'm not going to give any, you know, any whatever. I'm not going to add in anything or take anything out. So in this, he says, quote, OK, I'm going to write a note about what happened. And then I'm also going to record this. So make sure the police get what they need all right like i said he hasn't said anything yet by the way this is his first nothing sir in the

letters he said so uh my name is james e childers or childers uh chi but child e r s so there you go childers yeah childers so james e child he says, and his dog's barking in the background. Love that. He says, I burned all these houses down on Northcott Street. My brother, John Childers, helped me. And there's more dog barking. Oh, boy. Now, he really buries the lead here because that is the least of what he's done.

So, like, these are he's talking about, like, unoccupied structures. This is nothing compared to. Oh, there's nobody even in them. No, no, no. He's completely burying the lead here. That's like Ted Bundy going, I got to tell you guys, I stole a car one time. Yeah. You know, like, that's okay.

I lied to some people. Let's start at the beginning. Yeah. My arm was never really broken. Right. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media

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part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied.

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e childers who is he uh he's born in february 8th 1964 he grew up on a 96 acre farm oh okay that his family owned after leaving school he moved to clarksburg where he had a lot of jobs that were just kind of blue collar. Some construction industry jobs, handyman, things like that. Wherever he could make money and unskilled sort of skilled labor. Sure. Type of deal so um in the late 90s 1990s here he began to show some signs of depression and started doing a lot of drugs and alcohol that was his his coping yep that's how he coped and he went he underwent treatment for that as well at the time and um he's considered though he never

really does anything he never really gets arrested he's not starting bar fights or crashing into telephone poles and hitting Girl Scouts with his cutlass. Nothing like that. He's fine. He's known as a law-abiding citizen. Got friends and acquaintances that describe him as a very friendly person who'll help neighbors with chores

and people see him strolling around town all the time and he's fine. Nobody's scared of him or any shit like that. So he's known as a friendly guy. He likes to walk around day and night. He talks with plenty of people. Always talks to the cops. How you doing, officer?

Blah, blah, blah. He knows them all. They all know him. It's a small town. So they all know each other. One of his friends said he never gave anybody here a problem that we know of. other um one of his friends said he never gave anybody here a problem that we know of so you know i mean that's a way to also be like i mean i don't know everything right we know of so uh he's talking about with the fires and we'll talk more a little bit more about them setting

fire to both his home which he set fire to and three other buildings on his street. Okay. So the officers talking about it, they don't know. When they get all this information, these letters and these tapes, at the end they say, we'll have to re-review this material. It's lengthy. Maybe we can answer more questions accurately at a future date. They're trying to blow everything off.

Yeah. Okay. Here's some neighbor's opinions on him. Here's his neighbor, Ed, who lives next door. Yeah. Ed described him as a, quote, very friendly chap, which I didn't know they used chap as a regular verbiage in West Virginia. That's strange. He's the one Englishman living up in the hills here.

A very friendly chap. Very nice, helpful, and articulate. Again, not normally words thrown around in these parts of the woods here. Hey, that guy right there, he's real articulate. Not that nobody is, but I don't think anyone's calling each other that. He's also known as kind of a screwball, the guy said. And Ed also said that he was quote slippery okay those are all very vague but right on the nose at the same friendly very nice helpful articulate slippery screwball yeah those are a lot of adjectives

that you just kind of that's a that's just a scrabble board full of adjectives there. You're like, oh, what did I get? A Q, an S. Is that everything? Yeah. An A. That's weird. They said that James would always claim to have no money. This is what the neighbors said. He'd always claim to have no money, but he seldom – or he'd always claim to have a lot of money, but he seldom would be working. So they thought he was just kind of a braggart type of guy.

Other neighbors said he would frequently disappear for several days at a time. Just gone. When he was home, he'd walk up and down the street talking to people. He would paint people's porches, do jobs like that, wash down the sides of houses and do other odd jobs. Fascinating man. He's a very fascinating man. His other neighbor here, Thomas Roach,

said, he's a nice guy. I never knew he was anything like I'm hearing now. I guess some people might have two sides to them. I don't know hardly what to think about it. That's more West Virginia there. He started to act a little bit weird in the summer of 2009 here before he sent this letter to the police.

He started, he offered to sell his house to his neighbor, Ed, his next door neighbor, for $5,000. Oh, that's a deal. Take it. I'll give you, I don't know if you've seen his house. I don't think it's. The land alone is worth more than that, right? Possibly. Not in the hills of West Virginia.

It might not be. Yeah. It depends on what's going on. And then the next day he came over and said, how about 3000? Oh, now it's dropping. Jesus. This price is I'll wait till tomorrow. It's going to be a grand sale today.

This is great. Yeah. He told the neighbor, quote, I'm fed up with this neighborhood and I want out. Selling dirt cheap. Fed up and I'm done here. Okay. So he ends up burning it down, much of it. Now, criminal background.

This guy sending weird letters, setting fires. Seems like he'd probably have having money without jobs. He'd probably have a criminal background he has apparently he'll say he's got in some trouble but they can't find any criminal record on him oh no criminal record and um that he was about to be charged with a crime though when this happened a totally unrelated thing of making harassing phone calls to neighbors oh he's doing that yeah one neighbor he called one person 50 times in a 24 hour period 50 twice an hour twice an hour for a whole fucking day which is uh really fucking interesting so that he was about to be charged for that so a little obsessive you could say

that is yeah yeah but this has not that has nothing to do with the murder he didn't do anything to that person or he just called him a lot he just called him a lot and was harassing him so to before we get back to the recording i'll give you a little clip a little snippet of something from later on that really describes him well quote you can analyze and think all you want and get some of the greatest minds in the world which which I know you're not, because I'm just a small-town killer, but don't judge me because you don't know my life. Killer. He's a small-town killer is all he is. No, he's a killer.

He said you can get the greatest minds, which you're obviously not, because I'm not worth that much as just a small-town killer guy. Like, I'm not Ted Bundy. You're not going to bring in John Douglas to talk to me. He said, but don't judge me because you don't know my life. You don't know me. You don't know me. You think you're better than me?

Passing assumptions on me. Let's try to all get along. If we tried to get along, I think the Northeast and the South could get along better if we all realized that we all have the, you think you're better? It's either you think you're better than me or you think you're fucking better than me it's we all have it it's one way or another it's there yeah you think you're better than me huh yeah that's what it is so back to the recording he talking about his brother who helped him with the fire he said he was like my lookout there and tom rhod Rhodes also helped me watch the front of the house, make sure nobody was there.

But I'm pissed off. Oh. Pissed off. More barking. Still pissed off. Still pissed off at Tom Rhodes because he hollered too soon and didn't give me enough time to get away, and I almost got caught by the fucking police.

Okay. How dare he almost get you caught for arson you stupid asshole was involved well he said he was lookout he hollered too soon because um a police officer stopped me up there on uh chestnut street that i had talked to from a previous fire and he had his light his side light shining on me and i said well and i'm in a rush i gotta get home so he didn't think nothing of it and i got away with it and i had matches in my pocket in his pocket all right so i you know i went home um and then the fire they fight it it's out and uh but the impotency of the clarksburg police department with that arson investigation was almost appalling to say the least.

The impotency. The impotency. That is amazing that this fucking moron hillbilly is calling you impotent and appalling with your arson investigations. Yeah. Holy shit. Appalling to say the least. Did he mean incompetent or did he really mean impotent? He said impotent.

The impotency. Okay. I mean, it might have been an accident. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're too limp dick to figure out the fire. Is that what he's saying? Fucking flimsy dicks, you bastards. Y'all had a tingle in your balls.

You figured this motherfucker out but you don't so guess what i'm walking free matches in my pocket dry sand or the gas and a handful of matches and and police were too impotent so no one found out it was a pollen i don't think i don't think i'm gonna use that in that one so he said wilk who is wilk now he was talking about his brother and then there's tom rhodes and now he says wilk only had one pussy at home waiting on him what he wanted to get home back back home to it. So anyway, I think that means the cop. Oh. Maybe that's the cop.

He said, so anyway, if that'll be the, if that'll be the, and I'm using his exact words, the cats in the police department, I would have, I don't know. They, they, they've got,'ve got the way they handled that operation. But anyway, another thing is this. My brother, John, you know, like I said, he helped me watch out for me. And so did Tom Rhodes. And we wanted to beat the assholes out. OK, we thought we did it all three together.

They did good. My brother, he didn't know anything about it a different brother not the one he's talking about jeff he knew about it he didn't have anything to do with it though but he knew we were burning the houses down and he uh he uh he even got his assholes anyway got his assholes what does that mean he said gruden is on denna with his house burned down and he'd act straight okay so he's saying his brother would cover for him the other brother didn't wasn't involved but he'd cover for him he then says okay and it says big sigh so he's here we go okay so and we get to that we finally get that done and jack cecil comes to me one day and he says uh

why they throwing that son of a bitch out but if he didn't like him because of the simple fact that he was really bent on a house of his own on a pile of logs and it's 3 4 15 north cut the weeds bid high on what the fucking place was worth and then nobody else would bid any higher and he got the place so he defaulted on the loan and then ended up getting more owners so joe r piles which doesn't sound like a real person no it doesn't joe r piles would come to me and then sell me the house for a thousand dollars okay so that's how it happened so apparently he was was able to buy this house for a thousand dollars because somebody, I don't know, somebody went into default and had to get rid of it. I don't know what was going on. Bunch of owners. Bunch of owners, I guess. He said, okay, so that's how that happened. And then on to my brother.

Of course, I got Marilyn at home. Marilyn, like a woman's name. Person, yeah. Because then after me and Jeff was talking, he said, you know what? You know what you're, you know what? Your house is worth more now, uh, since it burned down than your brother's house. Since both houses involved. I said, yeah. So I was thinking, he said they hadn't caught that arsonist yet, had they? And I said, no, not that I know of. He says, Mike Harmon, he found some, they can't tell, it's garbled. Then he says, I'm a Northview resident.

There's an arson loose and they're burning houses they have to pay. I don't know what. His dad said they have to. I don't know. He said there's an arson to burn around the same neighborhoods that the insurance company would have to pay out and put a pressure on the police department to find out who's doing this so the insurance companies can start having to pay out all that money okay that's confusing so let's figure out what he's talking about um he's a

little more clear later on he says um he can he's confessing to four arsons on the block where he lived. And they said at this point, we as the Clarksburg Police Department feel there's credibility to this information. They knew already that there's an arsonist because four houses on the same block don't just catch fire. They don't just catch fire around the same time. That'd be real weird. Around the same time. That'd be real weird. So they said, neighbors said the arsons involved Childers' home, two other houses, and a small apartment building all on his street.

Oh. So that's a lot of people's homes. Childers' home burned the week before, and the other fires occurred within the last year, kind of staggered out. So culminating with his house burning. Yeah. So that's real. He definitely burned these people out of their burning. So that's real. He definitely burned these people out of their homes. So that's not great.

And then that's not good. And it gets worse from there. And that's generally, I mean, historically, if you talk to people that investigate serial killers and murderers and shit, they start with hurting animals or burning certain fires, shit like that. This is very common. Oh, it's it's a lot as well. Also, a lot of times they just have like a fire thing like, you know, David Berkowitz like to set fires. A lot of the guys like fires. He then goes on to say what they then they get near the police department, say they have

all double standards, too. I mean, if they can, they could hook somebody up and solve this crime. They'll do it. I mean, all they have to do is spread the wealth of the police because there are double standards. And I mean, if somebody's coming to my house and they're bothering me, then the police officer will come and risk his life to save mine. I know that, and I appreciate that very much so.

Okay. But there's one thing I don't like. It's the double standards. He's talking about, look, I get the cops will save you and come to my house. If someone's trying to attack me, they'll come over and save me. He goes, that's all fine and dandy, but there's also double standards here. Tell me more about the double standards, sir. Okay.

Like, it's the bit of harassment charge I have against me. They could have swept that under the rug if they had wanted to. But they won't because why? I committed a crime. Yes. He's like, I mean, they could just ignore it and then that would be fine. So I don't understand why they don't. That's a double standard.

Okay. I don't think he knows what double standard means. He said, but they didn't want to. So by them doing that has exacerbated my plans my plan wasn't until september but now it's going to be earlier and i'm going to kill a few more people before i go and if i can find out where joan post lives i'm going to kill her too okay now it's very specific we can watch that person right we could all right so now it's a few more people that That's terrifying. We don't know who.

But Joan Post, lock your doors. She's one of them. Roll them up, lock them down, Joan. You're in trouble. I don't know who's in trouble, but I do know Joan Post is. She is. Well, also, not just Joan, as we'll find out. And my plan is to go down there to Locust Avenue, down where one of her neighbors is,

and get in there and threaten her and find out where she lives and kill her ass then go over and kill joan and her mother do we know who this person is he's gonna kill someone else you know he's got another plan i guess and then he's gonna threaten to find out where this person lives so he can kill her then go over and kill both joan and her mother so and he sent this information to the police yes he's telling them that's what's good and then he says quote that's my plan and i sure hope it works out i sure do hope it works out please don't try and stop me this is the recording he sends to the police fascinating hey y'all just gonna give you my plans for the night um

shit i was gonna go over to the mcdonald's i was gonna pick me up uh one of them big mac meals that look pretty good tonight maybe some nuggets too i'm feeling kind of hungry then i was gonna go over to the mcdonald's i was gonna pick me up uh one of them big mac meals that looked pretty good tonight maybe some nuggets too i'm feeling kind of hungry then i'm gonna go kill joan and her mother and some neighbors and a few other people if y'all want to join me and hang out and make a big party we can but y'all want to watch y'all want to watch or just you know maybe like videotape it or something you know not exacerbate the situation i can't believe he used the word exacerbate. He said, and another thing I forgot to say about that Jack Cecil, he hates that Jane Marie, he wants my house because he went, he put out $20,000 life insurance policy. Listen to me.

You're on a tape. I think they're interested by now. We're riveted, friend. All hands on deck. There's a dude transcribing. Everybody's listening. They have it on the loudspeaker. They have everyone gathered around.

House insurance on this house. And he knows that he thinks, I mean, before I may not have, I would have killed myself in September. That's what he's explaining. My plan was to do all this shit and killed myself in september that's what he's explaining my plan was to do all this shit and kill myself in september now i gotta speed it up and you're really pissing me off here he's he said um preferably august because that's down there by september it's right next to it i've never i've never ever ever ever ever heard of months as down there by that one ever have you i've never been given directions to months before not ever you go ahead and you make a right at july

and then right down there by september's august you're gonna run into that one now and then you just tell them that i sent you what the fuck are you talking about you go on down past july you get to september you're gone too far you went past it now you're gonna have to turn around can't really make a u-turn around there but you're gonna have to come go back around the block to get back to it god because that's down there by september down the one way. Down the one way. This is why I like that we have the transcription of the recording, because when people are babbling, they say funny shit, like because that's down there by September.

And it's just them in the room, so they don't know how fucking ridiculous that sounds. Well, at some point, there's another person here that's unidentified, that we don't know who it is, but there's someone else. And that person didn't stop them and and go rewind and record over that. You sound dumb as shit. First of all, what are you doing? What's the overview of this?

Okay. You said this to who? First of all, don't do any of that. But if you're going to do that, at least don't sound so fucking stupid and say that August is is down there by september how do you say the word exacerbate and a few sentences later september he called the police department impotent and appalling and he's like august done down there by september hold on i gotta go poop in my bucket. Like, that's how'd you turn into from that to that? He said, and, um, and, and he had him. He said, you know, Jimmy, you, we all know Jimmy.

He says that let us both be. He says that they haven't found that arsonist yet. I said, yeah, what about it? What about it? That's how he said it. I said, yeah, what about it? What about it? That's how he said it. Because at least if you burn this house down, well, you know, they'll pay me more money.

And I found out who's been burning these places down. And he says, I'll tell you what. I'll buy your house for $5,000. He says, I'll give you $2,000 if you burn it down. So that's a total of $7,000 for a house and a burndown. That's what somebody offered. I'll buy it off you and pay you to burn it. That's what he's saying. If he says, and then you'll get as soon as it's burned down and I can handle the insurance money later.

And that can be yours or whatever. You know what I'm saying? And he knows I do shady dealings. You know what I mean? I wish I did. Yeah. do shady dealings you know what i mean i wish i did yeah um now he knows a few things i've done uh overheard a few conversations i've had with some people so he kind of knew that i was that kind of person he knew that i was slippery as we'll call it i think slippery is the best word

what was the other word scuzzball was it scumbag uh no i don't think it was we're going with slippery here yeah he said but uh do i i do i wring my neck along with this because that would be what would happen okay but jack cecil is a dirty rat oh he's a dirty rat dirty rat he said he's a screwball and a dirty rat and slippery screwball there it is he said let me tell you that let me tell you that not too many people like him he's a slumlord he'll make money any way he can and he has no morals um asked me to burn this fucking house down and then to uh uh and he's gonna collect um probably and i don't know how much, plus taxes is out. Okay.

He said he got it for $20,000 and he'd give me $5,000, $2,000 to burn it down, $13,000 he'll have left. And I don't know what he has to pay out of that, but I'm sure he'll have about $10,000 left, free money. He has a lot to boot. He wants it. He's got the lot. Okay. He says he wants it. He doesn't want it. He just lets the city take it over. Then he ain't been out a bit. But I'll tell you what,

I got to clean. I'm going to burn this son of a bitch down so there ain't going to be nothing left. And he did. So he won't have a whole lot of cleaning up uh up left but he ain't wanted to park in his place you know okay uh but anyway that's the deal so everything i told you is true and all and you can all believe me or you cannot believe me i really don't give a fuck but all i know is at least i tried to put these criminals and then there's some noises in the background he stops for a second and he said their justice just as i already have my justice so whatever happens will happen click okay so that's his original message that he starts with before he starts going back to add on notice he didn't talk about any murders in there called himself a killer but fires you know stuff like that okay that was the the main message i

wanted to get across but now that i've thought about it fires dirty rat that guy's an asshole my one brother's cool but the other one's a dick okay so fire up that casio it starts back starts back up again and this is um real real quick he says, so we hid the body. Oh my God. Huh? Where the fuck did that come from? Pardon? James, back it up a little bit. What now? I feel like we missed something in that click. I feel like there was... What was edited? So we hid the body

for about four hours and then he came back about nine o'clock and he had a piece of plastic in the back of his truck and we had her in the garbage bag tied up with a white rope with her hands, her feet, and a rope tied around her, the top of the bag. As we were traveling down, as we was traveling down the road, sorry, nobody was in front of us and nobody was in back of us all the way out through the United Hills and Methodist Church. And so we got up there to where the parked car right past the church with the church being up on the right. I think the church is on the right. He's said that a lot.

Up there, right there, past the church, we're on the right. And we turned around, made sure there was nothing coming he has a pretty good stretch and he can play his bass what so when we see nothing gonna uh we got out of the car and we threw that over the hill just barely though i mean it's just i mean over the hill then just enough to where you couldn't see it it's a wonder they haven't found the body yet just in a bag all tied up yeah just tied them up and just there's a little hill in the parking lot just kind of pushed it over so you can't see it that uh i mean jeff was happy he got the body out of the car then the plastic we took and threw away at the um um that car wash there in nutter fort nutter fort wow and um you know he said if i ever done to him

i i'd say you would never ever let him know ever never so the only thing my my brother, but I was thinking about it, we all deserve justice in this. So he wants to go to jail for this? We all deserve justice. Okay. Me for killing that girl. Yeah. Me for starting the fires. John for helping me clean up the scene.

And Jeff for helping me clean up the McGuffey scene. And Tom Murph for being a lookout. We did it all together because we wanted them assholes out of here. And now we're all laughing about it thinking everything's good now. Okay. Whoa. Click. Okay.

No, no, not yet. He goes on. No, no. He's got more breath. Just one of those. Big gas for breath. This is horrifying. He said said and that's their problem that's what i was telling larry i said is that he did and he's gonna go to jail and i was gonna

plain out shoot his ass and i had them guns anyway arson's what three to fifteen or whatever so he knows the law he knows something it. He could burn these fucking houses down and they put your ass in prison. But the only thing you got to do was the impotency in, he loves that word, impotency in, in just the way the fire and most of the way that the police detectives did the investigation. He, he, he actually did a he, he he he said, that's the one thing about the FBI. There's there just a little bit more training. I'll talk to some person here and I'll tell you what I did when that I'll tell you many times. I've done it three times.

I'll burn them with the old gasoline. I took the top off. And of course, I hate to I hate to rub on them. I wasn't stupid. And I walked upstairs. I just put that gas down on the floor and tipped it over and started that fire in the back block. And then they deemed that second fire where John and Peckerhead there, Pat, was watching. Peckerhead there.

He's looking for the name, and Peckerhead there. He's looking for the name. And he got Peckerhead there. What's his name, Pat? I don't know what happened. But I got to get, hey, granny, can I stay here for dinner while you and that? He's got his grandmother now. He's got his grandmother. And he's shouting at her.

And she's got a friend. Yeah. He said, a little bit of gas. I got to get gas. So I took the lid off and closed the – I didn't have gloves on, and that poured. And that cat in the back window, I think he means a person. Oh, no, the cat, yeah. Oh, no, the fire he's talking about now.

And the pressure's on. I raised the window because it apparently needs air. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. For fire. That's how fire works it's generally how fire is done he said and we had to i opened up the back window and the front windows was open so uh they had gone through there and just just devastate the house in no time but so when i did that i knew it was a hell of a it was i knew it was a hell of a whoosh so like i told tom wait for a little bit but the fucking pig head he acted too damn soon

and said get out of here uh and he didn't see no fucking bunny i i am he is an interesting fella that is for sure i am perplexed he hasn't gotten to the crazy parts yet this is like getting to getting to know you yeah did you get to hear it or did you just read had to read it had to read oh i want to hear it so that'd be amazing yeah um he said he knew that we all knew that too he can't jump over that fucking fence jump over that fucking fence i mean i might between the fence and the block building then i went through my brother's yard which he was watching and i jumped over that way run down through between mary layman's house and jim corll's house and went up by sycamore street

and up up the alley and then went into on to mulberry and up chestnut and that's when the law stopped me but um he thought he should have waited on something here when the law did stop me i was telling them what was going on yet he was i had my hands in his in his door and he was looking at me see if i was shaking but anyway i don't know all the tricks i know a few of them and it was and I was just as calm as can be because I knew what he was looking for. I don't, I don't shake it. No. Like he just, he just stopped me. So to a cop, after all this happened, that's the cop that he said he had matches in his pocket, but he's saying that he was leaning in the cop's window, talking to him and making sure he didn't shake or look

nervous. Cause that's the guy would be looking for. He doesn't even smell like gas? I guess. Amazing. Or this cop is not top-tier law enforcement. He could be impotent, we'll say. Or there could be allergy season. You know what? He's a little stuffy.

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If he was going to do anything, it was going to be coming out real quick. Oh, that, um... He's willing to shoot shoot cops he's willing to shoot a cop over this that um you know maybe he he saved his life too by and not pressing it because there's no way my pistol was ready and there's no way he could have pulled his and done anything to me i'd have shot him four or five times but um then he says i guess that's it i mean there's more crimes and i ain't gonna tell you all about them but i will tell you four that i did okay four bad ones yeah and this is where it starts quote i've been killing these women for quite a while now okay you only have to tell me about one of those that i can uh guarantee you did and i don't have to worry about about one of those that I can guarantee you did,

and I don't have to worry about anything else you've done. Talk about burying the lead here. Yeah. He talked about his brother and how this guy's an asshole, and this one's talking about... He's talking about insurance fraud that people are pulling off.

I got to tell you all this. It's real important. Then he's like, oh, by the way, yeah, I fucking killed four... I'll be killing these women for years. Have a good one. Bye.

Me and my brother disappeared a body. Also, I've been killing these women for years. Have a good one. Bye. Me and my brother disappeared a body. Also, I've been killing these women for years. For years. For years. Wow. He said, if you look on my record, I don't have a very good record, but I have a domestic against a woman. See,

that's he's saying he got arrested for a domestic, but after all this came out, they're saying he had no police records. So I'm not sure. That everything's Carolyn Sourween. She didn't ruin me. She ruined me. Okay?

Okay? She didn't ruin me. She ruined me. He's like Two-Face in Batman. Yeah. He says one thing out of one side. She ruined me. She ruined me. Yeah. She didn't ruin me. She ruined me. I'll put it. He's like Two-Face in Batman. Yeah. Says one thing out of one side. She ruined me. She ruined me.

Yeah. She ruined me. He says again. I'll put it like this. She ruined me and I'm going to kill her. And that's just a matter of time. I'm going to kill that bitch. Yeah.

When she's dead, it'll be me. He done it. Okay. Yeah. You want to know why? More than ever. She ruined my life. Oh, he goes on.

Yeah. Uh, quote, the devil is in her life. Oh, well that's obviously now it's a, you know, you got it. What else are you going to do? Of course you got it what else are you gonna do of course you gotta kill her now the devil is in her life and she she ruined my life and i'll be damned if i'm gonna let her live after what she done to me elaborate you son of a bitch but anyway that's about all i can think of right now he's got more murders he hasn't talked about if there's any more i I'll let you know.

But I don't want all my brothers to escape justice, especially when I think they deserve it. Now, by the way, this is not a click. He keeps talking. He keeps saying, well, all right, I'm going to go now and then keeps talking with your uncle. He is Uncle Rick. But it's at this point in the letter where the FBI or the recording that the police go, we should definitely call the FBI, right? Yeah. Because this is probably a lot more than we can handle.

He's confessing to so many crimes. Maybe they can understand him, first of all, and then outside of that. So the FBI, based on this entirety, the entirety of the letters and recordings, label him a possible serial killer. Based on characteristics they gleaned from a review of his notes and recordings label him a possible serial killer based on characteristics they gleaned from a review of his notes and recordings um they said that he killed more than two people both male and female at different times and places with different motives he also committed other crimes such as a series of arsons and he's taunting and challenging the police now so this is all kind of part of it we'll get back to the fbi in a minute because they do a whole profile and whole thing here.

So back to the letter. He's talking about his brothers deserve to go down with him. Then he says, quote, well, I don't think I know they deserve it. And I deserve it more than they do. A lot more. Okay. Wow. He goes from she's a bitch.

She ruined my life. Fuck her, too. I deserve to be punished more than anybody else. Like either you ruin my life the most or I'm the most guilty and the most in need of punishment. Yeah. He's got an ego on him. This guy. Wow.

He said, but like I said, my brother Jan, nothing. Don't want to get him involved for one reason i have 10 well 10 reasons but this is one of them you got a big fucking mouth okay john you can't go you can't pry a word out of his sideways jeff same way i know i trust them guys that that fucking fire marshal whoever the fuck he was he kept telling me no we've got somebody bragging about this fire no there'll be no bragging about this fire just a confession to let you know what's going on and the only reason I'm telling you this is because I don't want my brothers to escape justice wow I'm did something happened in his life right to say

all this did he do this before or after everything he, right, to say all this? Did he do this before or after everything? Oh, this is all kind of in between. Okay. And then we don't know when he starts recording and stops recording, too. Yeah, right, right. Because that could be different days. We have no idea. There's no way to tell.

It's just an audio diary. It's a standard, like, audio tape. There's no, you know, digital footprint on it or anything. There's no digital footprint on it or anything. He says that, like I said, the steamer that we used to clean, the crime scene at my brother John's house, it's a, like I said, a Regina carpet cleaner. A Regina steamer carpet cleaner. Remember those commercials in the early 90s and 80s? Oh, they'd be out all the time. Are these those only?

I don't think so it was like one of those all over you water it was a mail water thing you call up i want one of those regina steamer carpet it's one of those steam carpet cleaner bullshit but it doesn't work and they show they show dirty water coming all up and bubbling and people like oh my god that's in my carpet like the curvy yeah exactly uh so it's's a Regina carpet cleaner, and that's about it, really. I mean, you should have seen my bathroom shutters when it happened. And like I said, that Regina carpet cleaner was Sherri Lynn Baker DNA is in it. It's all over at my brother's house, and I'm sure there's plenty of DNA in it.

No, I love them all, but I don't like them. It's weird. I just don't like them. It's weird. Meaning his brother. Yeah. Most of what he says could start out with, it's weird. But I did this.

But I did this. Now, Sherri Lynn Baker is actually Carrie Lynn Baker is her name, not Sherri Lynn Baker. He got her name wrong. The woman that he killed, he got her name wrong. Oh, boy. She's 26 years old when she disappeared in 2008, so about a year before this. This is recent. This is recent.

She disappeared about a year and change before this year. And he'll go on later to say where to find her, and her skeletal remains will be found along State Route 57 in Barber County. So he goes on to talk here. Quote, I love, but I don't like him. Talking about his brother. I love my brother John, but I don't like him. I love, but I don't like him i love but i don't like him okay

we got it but i could have lied and implied jan did something or maybe jan i'm sure it is did something but i was in uh because he is nothing but a fucking liar but i'm not going to cause him uh havoc for something he had nothing to do with i wouldn't do that to him so he's like i could implicate my brother just because he's a fucking liar but he didn't actually do with. I wouldn't do that to him. So he's like, I could implicate my brother just because he's a fucking liar, but he didn't actually do it, so I shouldn't implicate him, is what he said. He said, you don't have nothing to do with something.

You shouldn't be accused of it. That wouldn't be right, because he's, he trails off, that's the only reason, but I do not like my brother Jan either, and he knows it. And I mean, I love him, but I don't like him. We never did get along. But I'm not going to try to get him in trouble for something he had nothing to do with.

I just wouldn't do that to him. And then, you know, I just didn't want to do that. So anyway, big sigh. He's exhausted. He got all that out of his system, like a little kid who just told you about his trip to the zoo. And the stingray game, I got to pet the stingray and the thing, and there's a little monkey and you can throw things. And then I got Dippin' Dots, and it was good. He says, quote, that's about the size of it.

Okay. And, yeah, I just have one more thing to say. I don't want to get caught by police. Well, no shit. Who does? But you gave so much detail. Why are you giving this detail? I don't want to sit around in the interrogation room and you fucking guys talk your shit to me and you na-na-na-na-na-na-na.

You know. Yeah. I'm seeing those tapes. Yeah. I've seen those tapes. Yeah. You can't judge me. You might think I'm a bad person and you might be right. I bet we would be. I'm going to go out on a limb here.

I thought we'd nail it. I think we'd probably go, I knew he was a bad person. I had it. But you can't judge how I became the way I am because you would be making an uninformed judgment because you don't have a clue and that's the truth. Well, clue us in. He said, so you can analyze and think all you want and get some of the greatest minds in the world, which I know you're not because I'm just a small town killer, but don't judge

me because you don't know my life. That's where that quote comes from. Okay. He says, maybe judge yourselves. Oh, look in the the mirror you son of a bitch back on society and hold that mirror up to it and say look at what you created yeah uh maybe judge yourselves because i can judge myself and know the truth and you can judge yourself and know the truth too so all right well i've got to help you police people solve all these problems.

And those are his uhs. I should have became a cop. No. No, that would have been real dangerous. I should have became a cop because I'm smart enough to be one. That's what he said, literally. I'm smart enough to be one. That's what he said. Literally, I'm I was smart. I'm smart enough to be one.

But I'm I just took the wrong road and that's all. And, you know, then they create something else here. You know, I smoked marijuana and I drank a little bit and I did Xanax here and there just to relax myself because it's history now and I need Xanax. It's because I'm a nervous person. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't think they want somebody that relies on Xanax to be calm, to be a police officer.

Probably not. And has an alcohol problem. Right. Well, that's normal for, but still. Yeah. He said, uh, all of my life has been nothing but a nervous fucking mess. Jesus. all of my life has been nothing but a nervous fucking mess.

Jesus. Having said that, if I had kids now, I would beat the hell out of them if they started doing drugs and drinking because drinking because drinking and drugs are no dang good. No dang good. Then he says, no damn good. I'm upgrading that dang to a damn. What do you say? I need you to know just how I feel about this.

And it's no dang good. Strike that. It's no damn good. Susan, strike that. Strike the dang. No, no, no. Strike it. We're going damn.

Okay. This isn't for TV. Continue dictation. Oh, my God. He said, drinking and drugs is no damn good, and I would beat the hell out of my son if I had to to get that through his head. The jails was no good. I have to admit that. I think jails are good.

The best thing to go through life is straight. And if I wouldn't have done all those damn drugs, smoked marijuana and whatever, I'd be in a lot better shape than what I am today. But I ain't going to sit here and ramble on about it. But anyway, that's it. So here, I told you everything. I just didn't want my brothers to escape justice. I don't want to imply my brothers over this. I don't want to imply my brothers over this. Okay. And I wouldn't want to do that. My older brothers, they're not in anything because I just ain't, and maybe they'll get probation. I don't know what they're

going to get, or maybe they won't get nothing. I don't know. But don't let them lie to you. And don't let them lie to you. That they didn't help me make that 12-gauge shotgun. Make that 12-gauge shotgun? He's making guns. He's Frankenstein and shit. That sawed-off

shotgun. Oh, he sawed it off that's why um and don't let them lie to you and say and say that they didn't shoot it up there in braxton county at our farm either because they did and we all laughed about it except my brother jan no jan shot that's right and jaron didn't shoot it right they're all j names yep all of his brothers wow i'd like wow it's a very common thing and uh i think that is it hillbilly culture i don't know my my grandparents did to my to my aunts and uncles it's all jays all k's all k's okay even even worse he acts like he's wrapping it up here okay but he's not all right I'm going to be sending this out in the mail. Then I'm going to mention it and say, Luis, don't worry about Menendez.

He don't seem too bright. I think he's talking about a cop. I'm going to, I mean, if he, he might be bright. I don't know. He just doesn't seem like he's too swift on. I'm going to send this to, I mean, Timothy Matheny. that's the guy he sent it to lieutenant matheny because don't ask me why but i always liked he he got uh in a wreck with my dad's car one time and the man he treated me nice and uh i always did like him i don't know why i ain't gay nobody what what the fuck happened where the hell did he take that he got in a car accident

with my dad so hard treated me decent i ain't gay or nothing but he's a nice guy you can say a man is a decent guy and you liked him without anyone going i bet he wants to suck his dick i always like that metheny i mean i wouldn't deep throat i mean you know i don't want to up my fucking can or nothing but you know i don't want to take it into twins or nothing but I'm just saying he just went so hard wow he went John Wayne Gacy there in a second ain't no fruit picker don't get me wrong here pal but uh nice guy he said wow I always did like him don't know why I ain't gay I've had a lot of girlfriends I just some fellers you meet some fellers he said some fellers you meet and you just like I I liked him and uh I'm gonna make sure he gets this letter and uh he's the smartest one I think

out of the whole bunch great guy he had to clarify not only is he not gay, he's had lots of girlfriends, just so you know. Not only do I want to have sex with women, I practice it as well. So it's not like a... What I'm telling you is I would be thanking him graciously by blowing him. It wouldn't even interest me. I'd find no pleasure in it. It's not for sexual gratification for me. I just think he's a smart guy. It's just for him. It's not for sexual gratification for me. I just think he's a smart guy.

It's just for him. It's just being a decent neighbor, really. So he says, yeah, he's the smartest one. So good luck with everything. Good luck with investigating my shit. By the way, he's still not even close to done. And I hope you heed my words. So, all right, I'll have this mailed out by,

you know, I might make two copies. I don't know. I want to make sure that the truth gets out. But not that every freaking body, I'm sure they're not going to have this on television, you know, telling everybody about it. You know what I mean? I wouldn't want that. You know, all right. But we, into Matheny. I just want to tell you that I think you're probably the brightest cop they have up there to catch him. So hats off to you. All right. Talk to you later. Bye.

Got to go. Click. Okay. All done and over. Sending it off. Nope. It turns back on. Just a sec.

Quote. But I got one more thing to say. have to add this one more thing you know people love john man killings and grapes and grapes and all his stuff and i bet you guys are all tickled to death you've got something to do now aren't you just tickled to death well all right i'm glad to give you guys some crime okay bye, bye-bye. Doesn't click it off, though. Is that the Grapes of Wrath author? I think he's always talking about that. Then he says, true, and I am in my right mind,

but I don't think that I should take the blame for this thing that my brothers and Tom Rosh helped me do. I really don't think so. I really don't think I should. Now, if they get off fine and dandy, whatever, and would it surprise me? No. Not even a little. No. But are they involved?

And then are they... They are involved, and then as they act so smug about, well, you did it, and Jim would be the one to get in trouble. But anyway, that's the whole deal. What happened? What? You know, I hope they share it.

I hope they share it in Baker's family. You have some closure. She did the wrong things at the wrong time. If she wouldn't have been sitting on her fucking ass, this would have never happened. Never would have happened. Nothing less she tries to do. You got to tone down that mission over there. That ain't no place for people needing to be a bum.

Is that the church he's talking about someone else who was murdered from i guess they were someone from the mission it was probably a you know a homeless person getting something and probably murdered a woman there so he's saying that if she wouldn't have been sitting on her fucking ass this would have never had i don't know what he's saying here he's trying to blame happened. I don't know what he's saying here. He's trying to blame the victim. I don't know what he's doing here. That ain't no place for people needing to be a bum. Tom DeHolzio, DeHolizo, I'll buy a green.

I'm not narrow-minded. Okay? But I see so many people over there, and I'm like, he can work. He could do this. He could do that. He's talking about the mission. People at the mission. Don't judge me while I judge all these people who are down on their luck you can't judge me for murdering and you don't know me that man don't have no job he don't deserve a handout his legs work he said um he could do that he could do this why doesn't he do this why doesn't he do that he

could lay over there and be a fucking bum fraternizing amongst each other and they smoke cigarettes outside, talk downstairs. Hell, they're in their own little family and it's just going to keep growing and growing and growing until it's going to get to the point where it's going to be so big and silly that it's going to be stupid. Well, I think that's about all I need to say. But like I said, Sergeant Menendez, or whatever the fuck his name is, I'd lose the weight, okay, Barry? He judges harder. Yes, you're fat fuck. He keeps going on. He says, and I'm afraid that since you have exacerbated my plans. Yeah, I think he means expedited because he said move it up a few months oh i think he means expedited be saying exacerbated i think i don't think he has the right word there

because there will be a few more people that are going to die because of it but uh sooner than later but like don't worry it won't happen later it'll be sooner you'll find them bodies but um i have um there are there are four bodies out to braxton county on our farm we have 96 acres you'd have to search 25 acres to find one to find one he said quote they're buried well i've been doing this for four years i've been doing this now for four years oh boy oh no i had that camp right there for about four years almost and i've been killing women and taking them out there night and day but i can give you a hint please do i can give you a hint yeah holy shit oh yeah they'll be hard to find trust me because i got that and it's you

can't hear them and it makes it look just like natural ground. Some sort of tool, I think, here. You know what I'm saying? I even went back after it sunk down and put more dirt on it. And I mean, that didn't you know, because I go up there all the time. I made them look like there wasn't even nothing there. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not going to tell you where they're at. But I will tell you that there's four bodies at the farm on your property, on our property. So that ought to help you out a little bit. We've got 96 acres, so see what happens.

Good looking. Wow. He's like, I'm just going to give you a little scavenger hunt. Um, as far as the Canon, um, Decker case goes, I understand. And, uh, that stupid bitch who got on my cell phone and made all those fucking calls when I thought it was fucking a credit card. Uh, she'll be lucky if I don't kill her before I get out of here. Uh huh. He had to pay for her bills.

He had to pay her bills. But yeah, that's the one he was talking about. But, um, I could take a round and I could go to court and I could go get arraigned and I could do this. I could do that. But you know what? I don't want to do that. I could get arrested and do all that. But come and get me.

He said I could do that and get out and get out of jail and be a free man. But I had this plan to begin with and it was going to happen in September. And just so happens it just so happens that it got exacerbated from Steven Menendez coming to my house. Yeah. Things have a funny way of working out like that. So he said things have a funny way of working out like that. Someone comes over. More people have to die. You know, it works. Why? You know, life stuff. Super weird. Shit comes up. He said, but I'm like, but I but like I said, I'm going to say it one more time, but I can't get over how you could have a fat cop like Steven Menendez on your force. When you could have a killer like me.

I don't understand why you have a fat guy when you could have a murderer like me. You hired him instead of me and you deserve. Yeah. Okay. like me i don't understand why you have a fat guy when you could have a murderer like me you hired him instead of me and you deserve yeah okay he says well i could have shot him in the face and i could have brought him in in my fucking in my fucking make him park his car brought him to my house shot him ha ha he ha ha he actually said he actually are he he sure is not too intimidating and i think i could have took him very easy unless he could have gotten the mace on me or something but um yeah lose some damn weight be a police officer not a fat officer oh my god this is awesome this is awesome right not a fat officer

be a police officer not a fat officer i thought he was going now. Not a fat officer. Be a police officer, not a fat officer. I thought he was going to say be a police officer, not an obese officer. That would have been at least like he's trying to be clever. At least it rhymes, yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. If you said that in eighth grade, your friends would be like, try harder. Come on. Come on.

Be not a fat. Yeah, you could be mocking a cop and they'd all go, oh, that kind of sucked, bro. That was stupid, man. You suck. When we're done mocking him, we're all going to turn our attentions to you. You're next. For that. You're next.

He said, but that's it. The advice I'm going to give you, I mean, what good does it do for me to give people advice? I'm done. I'm giving you advice. Maybe you'll straighten up and uh lose some weight and do the right thing and uh you know whatever and i can't think of anything else um to say but there'll be no good there'll be no good evidence in the house and carolyn baker's carrie she called her sherry and carol her name is carrie uh he fucked it up both times. Leaked all over. Her blood's all over the floor in the bedroom.

But it's bowed up by now. But the Regina carpet cleaner that I used to suck it up, Carrie Lynn Baker's blood. He finally got it right. Carrie Lynn Baker's blood is over at John's house. So he's saying, you won't find any evidence here cleaned it all up but if you go grab that carpet cleaner from my brother's house you'll find her dna all up in this shit he said um he told me it would be safe over there and you know he just admits joe he wasn't worried about it but i wanted to keep it over here you know i have the shotgun

over here but i of course of course i don't have it now i'm gonna take it over here, you know. I have the shotgun over here, but of course I don't have it now. I'm going to take it over to Jeff's today and hide it. But like I said, would you please keep it over there at your house? I just did not want it over here. But it's got all the DNA. There's going to be Carrie Lynn's DNA in that damn

because I'll tell you what, if there isn't any of her cute DNA in that sweeper, I'll kiss your ass. Ha, ha, ha. I'll kiss your ass. I love that saying so much. There ain't none of that cute dead girl's DNA in there. I'll kiss your ass.

Ha, ha. That's what he said. But like I told you, I told you where her body's at. Then he goes on, because he didn't tell you where the body's at. No, he didn't. Now he says, go past Green Hills on 57, past the Barber County line. The Green Hills Methodist Church will be up on your right, up to where you pull off. There's telephone poles and places to pull off.

Along through there somewhere, it was dark, I took her body and I drug it over the hill. Now animals will have her shirt all over the place. I don't know. But there's a dead body over that hill, and this is the God's honest truth, and they're going to put this on her tombstone. She died July the 15th.

Okay. Then he says 2009 i meant 2008 not 2009 2008 okay so he clicked off before he got the year and then he had to go back and do the year and so he's done right yeah nope he's back hey it's me again but uh having said that if she wouldn't have been a fucking prostitute up in town which is a wrong thing to do any damn way again with the judgment oh it gets it gets so much better jimmy it gets so much better i just have to read this whole paragraph because it's fucking wild yeah it's his judgment is the things he yeah it's okay arson fine that's okay unless it's my brother's helping me do it but then it's like why would you help me you scumbag i'm a nice guy and you're helping me what a scumbag yeah prostitution's bad but you know you should kill people if they're

prostitutes that you gotta get rid of them he's his moral compass is all fucking skewed. It's like Stranger Things. It's going everywhere. She said, having said that, if she wouldn't have been a fucking prostitute up in town, which is a wrong thing to do in any damn way because it corrupts families, brings herpes home to the family. That's his main concern. Brings herpes home to the family. Hey, kids, I brought herpes home. Yay!

I was hoping for Kentucky Fried Chicken, but herpes is just as good yay i really wanted burger king with herpes you can't show up late to the family gathering without you can't show up empty-handed no if it's a what are we talking about here yeah if you have a gathering if it's a big potluck you can't show a smooth cock you always bring the herpes. Everyone's excited for that. Don't worry, kids. He said, quote, it's just a nasty deal all the way around. Okay.

She shouldn't have been doing that up here, so she lost her life for $100. So, you know, she's pretty stupid herself. Good Lord. Holy, this guy is just... I've never seen someone who has so little self like self-awareness yeah self-awareness he won't look at himself at all because i never mind awareness he hasn't even looked in the mirror yet to be yeah to be aware that he's there yeah he doesn't even know that but like i said when it comes to being a killer you're a killer at a young age

i i just struggled at a young age it was just in me all the time i mean as you get older and things happen in your life and they just blossom blossom into problems which happened to me so to judge me you would be very stupid okay you just judged her right you don't know what her life was to lead up to the point of being a prostitute that would go with your scummy ass for $100. What do you think led to that? Good things, sunshine, and she was an equestrian champion. Like, what are we talking about here? She had a degree from fucking Harvard and she just decided to suck your dick for $100.

The debutante balls, you know, all that stuff. No, I don't think you don't know her life. And just like she don't know your life. Right. Yeah, that's the thing. She was goodly enough to blow you for $100. $100. That's a wonderful line that Kevin Smith wrote.

Goodly enough to blow me. That's a wonderful. It was goodly enough to sleep with me, Dante said. Yeah, it's a great line. So to say what I did wrong is not because what I did is wrong but to judge me and to say how I got into this position you cannot make an informed judgment you cannot make a truly informed judgment on that because you do not know and I know that you do not make informed judgments on something you do not know what you're talking about because when uh then what you're doing is

you're talking a bunch of fucking bullshit don't talk that bullshit i would say that's the best way to describe that paragraph a bunch of fucking bullshit i don't know what he's talking about he's just you know click by the way okay he's done now bunch ofunch of fucking bullshit. Click. I'm done. It's a good walkout. Okay. And he clicks it back on. What I meant to say was uninformed judgment. Sorry. Now click. Right?

Now we're done. The closer had, it was done, man. You can't come back. Well, he just wanted to clarify. Now it's done. Okay. Nope. Here he comes again.

But I can't understand how you didn't catch that. He's continuing. Yeah. Maybe because he's so fat and stupid. That's probably why the cop. I don't understand how you didn't catch that. That was, that was a total farce.

If I would have, uh, if I just, if I was the captain or whatever, the fuck, the captain of the pool, the fuck, the fuck captain of the police department.

That's the title you want there. I'm fuck captain. I've been promoted to fuck captain. Fuck captain of the police department. And I knew that what went down in that fire, there'd be some talking to, trust me on that one, meaning the fat officer who didn't get him. Them dudes probably wanted to get back home to that warm pussy.

You know what I'm saying? Fat boy's got warm pussy at home awesome i think is that's yeah he's not gonna change his life is great um i think that but with the fireman the fire burned up and the fire burned everything up but hell there was meth and that fire was over. Okay. Didn't look for shit. It was back in the something, a flashlight looking for stuff. It was just like two minutes. Didn't ask no neighbors in the back, no neighbors anywhere. Did they see anything suspicious? Meaning they didn't do a fire investigation.

They went around with a flashlight for two seconds and went, I don't know. That's it. I don't see it. I mean, you know, to to me that's fucking impotent he loves it but then who am i i mean who who am i to judge you know what i'm saying who am i who am i i mean honestly i don't i can't figure it out no more we don't know you you told us we don't know you. You told us. We don't know you. He said, but then who am I? You know, I'm just saying that's fucked up.

That's what he says. But anyway, yeah, I didn't want my brothers to get away with this. So if they do, they do. But at least be glad you know the truth. All right. All right. Bye. Click.

That's the end. That's the end, right? That has to be everything right said bye okay here i am again that's literally the next thing that pops up okay here i am again he's a ray stevens song it's wild yeah it's just he keeps going i thought you were rid of me right i have yeah yeah i have something else i wanted to add i because this is the only conversations we'll ever have well we've we'll never have had conversations face to face so we might as well make the best of this hadn't we okay um a main thing you know i've been with the uh

health access for a long time and they are a great organization okay yeah i have all the respect in the world for those people they have been nothing but nice to me i love them to death uh i hopefully will be able to give them a letter written and get out get it out to them and tell them how much i cared about how they treated me over the years and how much i appreciate it but there's one bad thing uh there's a fat guy working that no i'm just kidding i had this uh a nurse and it was rose harlow and she was a nurse practitioner when i first started out and she was down there and i had depression real bad and uh i don't know i always had depression i guess i was uh you know people back when we were kids i'm 45 depression it didn't you know it was depression as fuck okay yeah if you didn't

if you didn't feel good you didn't feel good or whatever they didn't really emphasize it much like they do today yeah in the 1972 they were like i don't know go run around for a while so um but anyway yeah i had a depression my whole life and i cried a lot and um i'm not telling you this to make you feel sorry for me because that's the last thing I need is for someone to feel sorry for me because people need to feel sorry for the victims, not me. Okay. But I was having these feelings here. I was having these here feelings, sorry, about these women. And I didn't like it. And it was a hateful feelings.

I mean, I'm not a bad looking guy. I could go, I could have got any, uh, not any woman, but I could have, uh, I had all the pretty girls, but it just never seemed to work out for me. So I, uh, so I got in, I guess I actually was a jealous person anyway, to begin with, because I had gotten with a woman when I was 15 years old and she was 30 and caused me to become more insecure because she fucked with my head because she was so because I was so young and I was I mean, or she was so young and I was I mean, she was so old and I was so young. Yeah.

She was a pedophile, friend. Yeah. That's called a pedophile. Yeah. You just that's you got molested. We get it. You and you have a depression. You have lots of depression, friend.

Keep that, by the way, in mind for later. 15, 30. Okay. So, you know, that kind of hurt me a little bit there. That was in the back of my head about women, you know. You would whine and say, this bitch got to do this to me. This bitch going to do what the girl did to me, you know. What Jan did to me.

This bitch going to do what the girl did to me, you know, what Jan did to me. And so then I went to see Rose Clark for the first time at Health Access, and she's such a nice lady. And she'd seen just that I was just edgy, you know, just, you know, not just bags under my eyes, just look like I'd been through hell. I'd been through depression. That darn near Harlow woman, she tried to get me on medicine that didn't even help me a bit so then she finally rose gave me some pills that were called uh they're called lexapros and i it was 10 milligram to begin with but i i noticed 20 would help cut the edge off my day. You need a double. Yeah. I mean, I was fucking miserable every day, you know.

I never felt good. And, you know, if I had, if I had felt good, if I had a good life, I wouldn't be talking to you now about everything I've done. It hasn't been the greatest life for me, but I ain't crying about it because at least I can walk and talk and do things that a lot of people can't do. Yeah, because, you know, Lexapro. And kill and strangle and shoot. You knowxapro yeah lexapro uh i just wish i could i could have given my uh good body to my nephew benjamin and he could have had a good life and i could have been in the wheelchair and had a bad life and instead i had had good limbs and arms. And I wasted them. But anyway.

To talk about Lexapro. And then what happened was. I was having these bad feelings about these women. And this is the God's truth. And not like I was wanting to shoot them. And do whatever. It was just all fantasy. But then I started taking the Lexapro.

And it made me want to start doing it. What? That's what he said. The Lexapro, and it made me want to start doing it. That's what he said. The Lexapro made him want to take his fantasies into a reality. So it gave him the courage to move forward. Well, you know what? When you're depressed, it's very hard to do things. That's one thing about depression.

Lexapro's a motivator. I'll give it that. You're sitting there like, I really want to go kill women, but I just don't really want to move. We've all felt like that. Who hasn't sat around going, I'd love to go serial kill women? But I'm just so fucking depressed. I just don't want to get out of bed. I've got a lot to do today, and the blanket is so heavy.

I'm not moving. I'm not going to do it. This is the only time I've rooted for depression here. If you've got so many thoughts in your head to go murder and you're depressed and can't get it together, don't. Never seek help. Nope. Just stay in bed. I don't know. That as well.

But yeah, he says Lexapro made him want to start doing it. He said, and that was how I killed Carrie Lynn Baker to begin with. Lexapro. I took that. I took not with Lexapro, but that helped him. I took that damn Lexapro and I was just out looking for somebody to kill. It changed my whole fucking mind. So it took him from this kind of feckless, just a depressed person who didn't have any motivation to do anything and made him.

This is the worst advertising for Lexapro ever. This is great. Yeah, that's a good commercial. Guy in bed feeling bad. He gets some Lexapro. Next thing you know, he's fucking looking on the streets, pulling over. You're like, oh, he's going to talk to this lady. And then he picks up a woman and murders her.

Yeah, that's a Lexapro commercial. Before, I just didn't have it in me to kill. I wanted to. In my heart, I wanted to kill, and I knew I could kill, but my depression just wouldn't let me. But Lexapro lets me fulfill my potential as a murderer. It really does. If you just really want to get your taxes done, you'll get them done,

because guess what I did? Yeah, I mean, there are less ladies than there were this morning because of Lexapro. So, yeah, he said I was looking for somebody to kill. It changed my whole fucking mind. It all happened last year, turkey season, around 2008. I mean, that's all I thought about was shooting some fucking buddy. Wow. That's exactly when my mind really started changing.

But I mean, I'd never hurt anybody. I didn't even like to fist fight. But then there was something about Lexapro, that Lexapro that I was taking, made me, made my mind change to want to, instead of fantasizing about doing something, I wanted to do it. And I did it, and I was out looking for it,

and I wanted to do it, and then after I'd done it, I felt bad about it, and now I want to do it and I did it and I was out looking for it and I wanted to do it. And then after I'd done it, I felt bad about it. And now I want to do it again. Wow. Is that a journey? Okay. Oh my God.

I want to, instead of fantasizing about doing something, I wanted to do it and I did it and I was out looking for it and I wanted to do it. And then after I'd done it, I felt bad about it. And now I want to do it and I did it and I was out looking for it and I wanted to do it. And then after I'd done it, I felt bad about it. And now I want to do it again, which is what serial killers do. Yeah, that's their cycle. Yeah. And then they cooled down. That's I feel bad about it. That's I cooled down.

Yeah. I'm not in a fucking rage to do this or I'm not a whole, you know, tizzy to do this. And but now after a little bit i want to do it again gotta do it again so yeah so now i'm glad that steven menendez has exacerbated this this poor fat exacerbating bastard so i can get this over with because i just want to rest and i don't know i may not rest i'll probably go to hell i don't know how can may not rest. I'll probably go to hell. I don't know. How can they put a mortal person like us on this earth with all the demons and temptations and things like that? And it says in the Bible that the body, the flesh is weak. How in the hell are we supposed to put up with all this stuff?

All these desires to kill from a young age. How are we all supposed to put up with it? Wow. How are we supposed to put up with all this stuff hell we'd have to live in monasteries have people watching overs no yeah people like you live in prisons prisons is a different type of monastery yeah um you know because everywhere you look there's sex sex everywhere. It's summertime. The girls are out showing off everything they got. I mean, it's like Billy Graham said one time, meaning not superstar Billy Graham, the wrestler, Billy Graham, the reverend here. He says, like Billy Graham said one time, he said, these poor men now, women have more sin to deal than ever before these poor men and they

can't how could they stand up to these sin dealing women such look at her tits is what he said yeah her her ass is so tight you can see it right there the pants are so tight you can see every dimple in her thigh and he just used that wow oh my god we can do whatever we want because we can see every dimple in her thigh. He just used that to justify. Wow. We can do whatever we want because we can see half her titty. Well, you know, once her tits are out, then poor men. He says, I feel so sorry for him, and he's right. But that still doesn't make up for what I've done. He really flip-flops. But anyway, I just want to give you a brief summary on that.

And like I said, there's four women up at the farm and they're all buried within our property, but I'm not going to tell you where they're buried. They're not buried together. I'll put it like that. They're hundreds of yards apart. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I found places that where it was like indentations already. And then I could, you know, dig it it up and then the last time i buried her up there it's been almost a year so i'm sure vegetation has grown up so you gotta take cadaver dogs up there i don't know i buried all of them naked so there was no other there was no other clothes or nothing no identification no earrings no anything like that i make sure that they had on

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I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us

and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Now, the burial sites here that we'll talk about here, Carrie Lynn Baker was shot twice in the head, and they found her skeletal remains that were over a year old. And she was a prostitute? That's the one he was talking about. That's why he kept getting her name wrong, because he didn't know her. Because she gave her a different name, probably. Yeah.

He knew her real name, but he just kept getting the first name wrong, called her Sherry, called her probably. Yeah. Well, he knew her real name, but he just kept getting the first name wrong. Called her Sherry, called her Carol. Yeah. Yeah. So her name's Carrie. So up there, they also find Carolyn Sourween.

Oh, two of them. A 40-year-old woman. Oh, no. From Philippi. She was found on the family farm here in Braxton County. She was killed by blows to farm here in Braxton County. She was killed by blows to the head with a blunt object. This is recent, by the way.

She was reported missing in the last week. Oh, no. When he's saying all this stuff, as you'll find out, he talks about wanting to kill her because this is the woman who fucked his, ruined his life. Ruined him. This is Carolyn. So that's what he talks about. No explanation of what that means yet. Nope.

They found her. They found her up there. And he'll explain that. He also goes on to say, quote, but there were also prostitutes. And I promised them a wild weekend at the farm. Oh, boy. He took them. Oh, my God.

And one good thing about that. And one thing about the farm, I can go up there and nobody bother me. But anyway, I guess I'm looking forward to what's going to be happening. You know what I mean? It's going to be, um, hell in trouble here pretty soon. And I'm not scared to die. Cause I almost died one time and I know what it's like, but I don't know what it's like to almost die after you've killed somebody either. It might be worse. What?

So I don't know, but I'm going to find out. But I just want my life to be over with. I miss my mother and my father. You know, my life is just not happy. It's not ever going to be happy again. And you can just tell. Yeah. You know what I mean? You can just tell yeah you know what i mean you can just tell that's what he says you've murdered people and you're confessing to the cops i'm pretty sure the rest of your life is gonna suck i can just tell you know maybe it's

because i'll be in prison if i live or you know he says um i can just tell blah blah blah okay he says um uh you know what i mean and you know who's mostly fault it is? The man who's talking now on this phone right now. I don't blame nobody but me. And I had to bang those Lexapro. I don't want no lawsuit to come against health access by no means at all. Nobody be suing them. Because for all I know, that might not have been what done it.

All I know is when I started taking Lexapro, that's when my mind completely changed. I don't know if Lexapro changed my mind, but I know when I started taking it, my mind completely changed. That's what he just said. I don't know if that was the exact thing that did it, but from the moment I started taking it, I was a different person. Yeah, it really did something. It's completely different. I mean, completely changed to from uh fantasizing about wanting to do it i was out wanting to do it and then when i got the chance to do it i did it

so i know i'm a mess yeah but i just don't want anybody to give uh me uh and scarbled and send me something i don't know what my brothers were capable of doing later on in life. If you look back in the history of the Childers family, we've done some things that's been pretty crazy. But there's one thing I want to tell you. Now, when this all goes down, I don't know what I'm going to be driving. I know one thing. I'm going to be at the farm. It's too small of an area. You'd find me too easy. Too many too many uh too many tracks uh i mean too many four-wheel tracks why they'd be all over the fucking place the neighbors would be out looking for me every fucking thing else that'd be a big deal up there so as far as you wanting to look

at the farm uh you can you can if you want but i'm not going to be there as a matter of fact i will probably be where you wouldn't even think I would be. Where's that? In your own closet. Deputy Menendez, you fat fuck. Hiding behind your quadruple X uniform shirts in your closet. I'll be somewhere you least suspect me to be. A gay bar, because I ain't gay. I just want to know that one guy. I had a lot of girlfriends.

So, yeah, where I would be. And I'm sure I'm going to be, and I'm sure that when I burn my trailer at the farm, I'm going to go ahead and burn my car, too. So we'll see what happens there. I love how he says that. So we'll see what happens there. But, you know, I'm sad that it's over, but I knew it had to be, and I'm glad it's over because I'm tired of living like this the longer that i live the more the more things i'm gonna have to deal with yeah that's life but another thing that joan post if i do get lucky enough to kill that fucking cunt real casual like wow uh if i do get a chance to kill that fucking cunt it's not because i love her or

that i wanted her i went i dated that girl i broke up with her four or five different times i just i just was fucking with her somebody to fuck with i don't want that woman she's fucking ugly smoke cigarettes i hate cigarettes so uh if i do get the chance to kill her, it ain't going to be over some love tryst. You know what I'm saying? It's just going to be because I don't like that bitch. She's a bitch. She's a bitch and she smokes cigarettes. She smokes and she's ugly.

So what do you want? Another thing is I don't want to be dead and them sitting over there talking, saying that I wanted that son of a bitch's dick because that's how they talk. saying that I wanted that son of a bitch's dick because that's how they talk. So there'll be a big misconception that they paid for that killer because I love her because it's completely fucking wrong. I just wanted that out there. It would be completely wrong for people to think

that I still love her, which I do not. How many times has he said this? I'm not repeating myself. He's repeating himself. I've been with that bitch six or seven times i just didn't like her or her mom's fucking smart ass attitude okay so her mom's awful too yeah i gotta kill her too remember it was her and her mom i'm gonna kill um that son of a bitch did this son of a bitch you know what i mean you know so i hope i get to kill her and i'm looking right now trying to find her address and hopefully i'll find it then one night i'll go over there and i'll

shoot her and her mother and that'll do but it'll be on the run and that'll do so is he is he an incel is that what this is i mean he has girlfriends yeah he has he's has he went out the carolyn woman he's they were on and off dating too he dates women all the time who knows but uh like i said i'm telling you right now i'm gonna burn down my camper and i'm burning down my car at the same time then i'll have another car that you won't know anything about that i'll have with me and i'll go as far as i can go but But yeah, I'll also tell you this much. I have enough money to last me quite a while too. So I've told you just about enough.

I haven't told you where I was going to go after I did all this stuff. So that was the part you probably want to find out about, but I just can't do that. So anyway, like I said, you got it there. He said, um, then he says, click. Okay. That's it's not a, not not a click because he clicked it off. It's quick because that's the end of side A. Oh, my God. Background flips it over and he says, no, you should have. And there's music in the background for a while. Then there's an unknown male and female talking in the background.

People just going, yeah, some music, conversation in the background, more music, some dog barking for a couple minutes, more music. Then he comes back and says, okay, so I guess now I'm starting another side. Side B. Side B. Yeah.

I also wanted to stay home Memorial Day weekend. I got pulled over by a county police officer. Like I said, my name is James Childers. We got that by now, sir. And I opened up the glove compartment box and out felt that.22 humanette. Is that a gun? I don't know. Never heard of it.

And that.25 Jimenez that I had that I used to kill Carolyn Sourween with on Labor Day up there at our farm. You'll find her. You'll find her. She's on the logging road on our land going up the hill. As soon as you get to where it starts to go up a steep hill to the left, and the left, it's a shallow grave, which if you have the cadaver dogs, they'll have no trouble finding her. She'll be there.

She had on a gold and silver watch and whatever, but she wouldn't, won't have her glasses on. She, I left her clothes on, took the keys out of her pocket. I don't know what else she had, but she's just in a shallow grave. But what I'm trying to say is if, uh, if with that, there wasn't a clip in that gun, nor a shell, the gun, when he got pulled over pulled over now if i was carrying that gun wrong and he didn't take that gun from me and let me go and didn't do the right thing by taking the gun if that was what he was supposed to do then he could have saved a death i'm just telling you guys all this stuff that way you can you know in the future operations maybe these uh maybe during these domestic violences um you'll you'll know to go about it another way. But, you know, Carolyn Sowerween,

you know, I did, you know, cry a little bit about her, and that's the truth. But now I look back on how miserable she made me and made my life. It's, you know, since May of 1991. That's when he met her. He's known her for 18 years. He is this long? He's known her this long. And how she ruined my life. I don't really regret it. I'm glad she's gone now. Now, other people said that they knew they'd known each other since at least 2001, but he says May of 91. Apparently, they were romantically involved on and off. Yeah.

You know, they had a very stormy relationship. And she was her brother. Carol, Carolyn's brother, Chris, said that his sister had been friends with James Childers Childers for several years. But relatives had discouraged what they believed was which he called an unhealthy relationship. He said Carolyn is intelligent and compassionate and also suffers from a mental illness, but he didn't elaborate on what it was. Great. So she's vulnerable to him is what that means. The James Childers we know was quite different from the amiable person described in the recent news media. Remember all those neighbors going, he's just a nice guy.

Sweetheart. Yeah. Quote, he was mentally abusive toward Carolyn and he would take money from her. He would show up during times when Carolyn relieved or received her disability check. At least once he had stolen her glasses. So she couldn't see what,

what a monster. She's got terrible eyesight and he steals them so she can't see anything remember the uh by the way remember what he just said in the when he buried her she didn't have her glasses on when i gave her all he took her fucking glasses then too like see you don't have them now either this that that means something to him um so um. He says about her quote. So she kept telling me, Jimmy, why don't you take me up on your farm and put a bullet in my head? Why don't you take me to the farm and put it, put a bullet in my head? She was begging to be shot at the farm is what he's saying.

And she thought that car was going to be the dream thing for her. And then she said, why don't you take me? And, uh, and she, that car is not what I want. She said, why don't you take me and she, that car is not what I want, she said. Why don't you take me to the farm and put a bullet in my head? I have to admit, she did suffer a lot. She was the one who had her skull bashed in is what happened. He didn't shoot her. She was always by herself.

She was. She was a misfit just like me. I'm a misfit in this world. I don't fit and she didn't either um and when i shot her one time and then she said james uh you i think it was like saying james thank you and then i shot her again and she was dead and i put her up in that shallow grave so she was the shot one i'm sorry carrie lynn was the one who was bashed her skull in you know and uh and don't let them and don't let them tell you that they didn't shoot that shotgun.

And don't let them tell you that John, okay, so he's talking about the brothers. Yeah, yeah. He said he didn't, and I didn't tell you that. James Childers did, and so did Jeff. He's James Childers, by the way, and so did I. And Jeff, like I said, helped me to to make it make the shotgun he's talking about now you know i i love my brothers but i don't like none of them okay he's back to this again all right but having side is a lot of the first side it's a lot of the free yes you know what this could have been a single album is what we're saying he said but uh all right but having said that i could have made something up about jan i could have said jan did this or jan was

involved in that well you know what he wasn't that's why he wasn't involved that's why that wasn't involved in it but they were they should pay like i paid like carrie uh paid you know uh you know what i mean he should pay course, he didn't kill anybody, and neither did John or Jeff. They should all pay, though, just like you, even though they didn't kill anybody. He just helped out with the murder. Tom Rhodes, he didn't.

He helped me out with, you know, the commencing of the fire we did, you know, watch out and stuff. And like I said, you know, we had, he's seen all that shit. I felt like kicking his ass after the investigator, after he got his mess ahead. He, for the first campaign, crossed his head, crossed his head come too damn quick. I don't know what the fuck that means. And then we owed to Dan Mopop.

No, I said nothing. You'll end up with all these stupid cockamamie something or other. Say it wasn't true. He says he's seen a damn dog walking through the hall, and that son of a bitch dog was in the damn cage, and we both knew that. He did. He's stupid. He's trying to get himself in trouble.

But like I said about my brother Jan, even though I didn't get along with any of my brothers, ignore my brother Jan. Much, I guess, because I was such a loner or whatever, And even though I didn't get along with any of my brothers, ignore my brother Jan much. I guess I was such a because I was such a loner or whatever. I would never lie and say he didn't do he did something he didn't do because that wouldn't be right. But don't let John and Jeff lie to you about their part in this, because what I said they did, they really did. You can take that for however you want. But I had to leave that on there because if I don't, I feel like the judges didn't get away, didn't get all the way around.

And my life will probably end with a 12-gauge shotgun in my mouth blowing off the top of my head, which will be what I deserve. And I will get my just desserts just so everybody else does. And that would be fine with me. If you did it, get your just desserts. If you didn't do it, then you don't get no dessert. That is not what that means. That's not how it goes. That is not at all.

Wow. If you did it, get your just desserts. Prison time? That's not the same, dude. If you didn't do it, then you don't get no dessert. But anyway, that's all I got to say. That's all I got to say. But anyway, that's all I got to say.

That's all I got to say. When I get ready to, I'm going to mail this out to Matheny and a note. And in other words, it'll be a note and a piece on side A of this tape is most of the conversation. And side B is just either the finish of it right now or maybe later on today or tonight. I might add some more to it. tonight i might add some more to it but like i said if that man had found the gun that night when he pulled me over james childers and that gun fell out of the compartment box if he did the wrong thing by not taking the gun even though it was empty and there wasn't the magazine he should be reprimanded for that he's just i want to get everyone in trouble i'm going to a new school let me tell you who puts gum under their desk. Let me tell you who smokes behind the bathroom.

Let me tell you who's doing this. But if he did the right thing and I was able to shoot the gun, then so be it. Then he did his job. But what I'm saying, and not only that, but when I opened up my trunk, he would not show me. He would not, when he showed me, to put my car, because I had put my little pistol in the trunk to keep it safe, so that's how it would be the way you were supposed to have it, he said. Hadn't been in a case, everything's right. Okay. The officer told him to put it in the trunk rather than have it in the glove compartment.

So he said if that wasn't the right thing to do, you should get him in trouble. But that was something that he didn't know about. But I had a.22. I had brought a.22 back there loaded, a.22 Ruger, which I had with a Luger Ruger. A Luger Ruger? I know what it is. It's the Mark II. I've got one.

And it was underneath a bunch of the stuff I said, and he did not search. He had a nice piece of pussy on the mind that night or something. That's all he thinks about bottom line is yeah so what i'm saying is the man who turned me in or the man who stopped me when i was driving by um if he did not do his job right if he had not done his job job right carolyn wouldn't be lying dead up there like she is now and i'll tell you another thing if dickhead would have done his job right and took me, who knows what would have happened? You know, maybe I wouldn't have been able to shoot her. I wouldn't have killed her. Maybe I would have changed my mind and said, hey, I don't want to do this. Just like, you know, Carol and Sourween. But I want Joan Post

and her mother. That's who I really want to kill. He goes on to say, yeah, I wouldn't have done that, but these people I do want to kill. But if I don't get those, if I don't get them killed, that'll be all right with me. Because I'm just a small part of the puzzle. What? It's a puzzle, all right, sir. I'm a small, I had, my mom had a terrible life. I had a terrible life. My life's going to end short. My mother's life ended terrible. I just had my mom had a terrible life. I had a terrible life.

My life's going to end short. My mother's life ended terrible. I just had my mother's luck and I don't mind because I love my mother. But I ain't getting that freaking messy. All I like, all I'm saying that I do not want to have those lights shining on me, telling me to pull over, because once they get their hands on me and get my fingerprints, they're going to find out that I killed Carrie Lynn Baker, and later, but since you know where her body is now,

obviously not. Not at the farm, but like I said, there's four bodies at the farm. One of them is Carolyn Sowerween. You'll find her easy. I made it easy for you to find her. As a matter of fact,

there's down a little hill a bit, and you're going to pull right out, and she's in a shallow grave. A cadaver dog would have no trouble, but the other three, you'll have trouble finding them because I took my time with them. He said, I worked and I had a relation because like every day I would go and make sure he didn't say anything because nobody ever did see it. But if they would, I'd just say that I was out looking for mushrooms or something, but there's never a problem. I never hurt anybody and i got to bury them right okay and and i i like i said they're on they're on 96 acres of property so uh yeah it sounds good and another thing you need to get your men and their operations down more pat now he's going to

criticize the police force and their operations. And your work ethic. Listen to this. Yeah. That guy who pulled me over that last night of the fire when I started this, and he looked in my hand and seen, he had to see if I was shaken or not, and I wasn't because I knew what he was doing. He was looking at him.

I didn't smell gasoline, but I swear to God I had a flashlight and some batteries with me, and I failed to decide why he turned around except to see to talk to me. Because what the hell are you doing out? And I said nothing. You hear about the fire and then never, no more said about that, and the detective come that night and it was just a poor shabby, I guess, whatever you know. You can't put 10 million man hours, I understand, into one case when there's, you know, you got so many cases, let's face it. If you want to do a crime and you got halfway

since, you can do crimes and get away with it in this town, probably pretty easy. Until the FBI said it and there was a serial killer or whatever, and they had to, and then they had to try to get up to it. But that's about it. I understand your work picture, and you don't have a whole lot of people to help you, and your lack of manpower. But the problem is in this state, what I did was stupid. Nothing I did. I put a body up there. Carol Sourwine is up there.

Sourween. Shallow Grave. I could have took her body someplace else put her somewhere and then nobody ever able to find that girl but i ain't worried about it you know you you know you should thought of her anyway i got i i get to help okay now that's the end now no but they found out at this point that he had been placing personal ads all over the place lately. What? Yes.

This is crazy. He apparently used newspaper classified ads to possibly target people they're talking about now. He placed two ads offering work the week of May 20th and advertised for female companionship in August and January. He also answered a recent ad looking for a caregiver of an elderly person, but he didn't get that job. The ads placed by Childers sought twice weekly housekeeping and help watching an elderly woman three days a week and three nights a week. But he lived alone and there was never any elderly woman anywhere near him.

So this was a scam that he was putting out there so they said we feel strongly at this point that he was placing ads and answered the one ad to identify potential victims and he's baiting them via what the fuck yep back to this is a deep hole here he goes he clicks it back on and he comes back on again and he says you know when i said i killed that person a long time ago i got away with that no problem i could have got away with that but listen i have to be stopped okay long time ago he doesn't mean the woman he killed last year he means 2004 when he killed a man named cecil ralph hill yeah who's a friend of his and was his boss. He employed James. The death was ruled as a suicide but then they said they thought there was some foul play. They thought he shot

himself. This man left everything in his will to James Childers. Huh. Which was crazy and Childers was not only the last person to see him alive but was there when police arrived. And they thought maybe maybe suspicious maybe suspicious so yeah they're they're gonna go ahead and dig him back up out of the fucking ground and see what they could find back to the letter he said or back to the recording and i can't keep on killing like this because i get these urges when i killed carrie lynn baker i, I felt I'd cry and I fell down and I felt trodden. I felt that, you know what, that went away and then I wanted to kill again. He said he felt terrible and depressed. That went away. I wanted to kill again. So

all will be happening right now. I kind of feel down. But I mean, later on down the road, if I got away with this one, I just want to do do it again so I think God has a way of doing things so when the time comes to go even though you could try to be uh God's flock and do your work neat you just say hell with it because in a way that in a way you do that and you know uh you want to know why you get sloppy till you run run it to the owner I'm so tired of this it's just I can't I'm just tired of it I mean everything I know I killed those people and I've done some bad things you know but what has happened with my life which I realize I know hasn't been that damn bad but it hasn't been the greatest life either he said hell we used to have all these talks and

fill your head with wanting me to kill people and all these suicidal thoughts and all this crazy talk and cried all the time until something. Then he's, he's a lot of mumbling. Um, it's, if I would have went and they would have been diagnosed with me and being depressed and he put me on more medicine, you know, I would have been doped up. Sure. It had been better to be doped up instead of, you know, uh, then turn into the monster, which I turned into. I have big problems right now. That's the most honest thing he's said so far. Wow. They can take the junk and live off something, not to mention $700 that they can get from their disability checks and using the system and not abusing for the right thing.

And then people like me who need those pills for the right thing shut down, say you shouldn't be calm, I don't get them. Then I can ride up at Billy's just like Alexa Pro, okay? I just started taking it. It wouldn't take me from fantasy killing to looking to do it. I mean, so to judge me, you just can't do it because you would be making an uninformed judgment on me and it wouldn't be right. Even though it's not right what I did, I should have never killed them girls.

He said, Carolyn, I'm ready to just be passing time and I wanted to do it again and I didn't want it to happen. Okay, I wanted to do it again, but I didn't want it to happen. I knew it wouldn't. Then he says, you can get a cadaver dog over there. God, he keeps bringing that up. He says, and I want to tell him and the rest of the girls, I'm sorry about all this. He said, I don't know, but I want to leave a tape to let you know and give you an insight on the mind of what to what makes a killer a killer. No, we don't. We need you behind bars.

There was something already wrong with him. He's got mental health issues. So much. He's all fucked up. He said, and man, the trash. I've been cursing more than usual. It's weird. I think the worst thing that happened to make makes you become a serial killer.

Yeah, that would be the worst thing that could happen if you do anything. I've probably told the whole I've been telling you all along depression, not taking care of your depression. It'll turn you into a monster. It twists and turns. Well, you know what? But now, since I got over it, I started taking Xanaxes, which have been good. Start taking Xanax, which have been good for like a normal human being. Although it got to, what does he say? Something that you get a buzz. But if you don't take it, you're higher than a kite flying too high.

And you can get your blood pressure and there's no right answer. We've all done bad things. The only thing I could hope for, I almost died one time. I know what it's like. So he says, but you you know, I wanted to be this way, and I wanted, I had that. Menendez exacerbated the problem, although it did cost lives when he did that. But, I mean, there might be more. Bye.

Click. Okay. One more. One more. Okay. I'm back. Back on. I forgot to mention about that damn devil ass and Jack Cecil and me.

I thought I was going to be leaving town. Didn't know I was going to be doing these, committing suicide and doing all these killings and suicides. Wanted me to douse the house before I left. Oh, wait. He even gave him me money. Well, he already paid me $5,000 for the house. He said normal deed would be $200, and he'd give me $5,000 when the attorney's office signed the deed. But yeah, he thought he was going to get me over.

He thought he was going to get over on me for $5,000 and he asked me to burn it down so he could collect the insurance. Well, fuck him. I'm going to burn. Fuck him. I'm going to burn the motherfucker down and I hope I do need to burn down and all those other assholes will get in trouble for it. If you don't big deal, but if he does, he's been wanting to burn this fucking place down. He didn't give a fuck Matheny, uh, something, but a fucking parking lot. People whose money trails off. I've done shitty things in my past. He knew,

you know, I'd, i'd burn someplace for for somebody else but i could mention a name he's so politically involved that it'd be erased right off this page so he's saying there's somebody else involved here he says i hope jack cecil gets what the hell's coming to him and for trying to screw me over the way he did click oh god and another thing oh my god if you go back and check your records, you know my daddy used to be a preacher man and an ordained minister or anything, but he always preached the word of God to me.

But I was a faithful subscriber to CBN for two years and sent their last check on the 15th of this month, May. I tried to do the right thing. He's been tithing the whole time? That's what he said. I tried to do the right thing. He's been tithing the whole time? That's what he said. I tried to do the right thing. I feel there's something, not tithing, giving to a television show. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's not really tithing. Christian Broadcast Network, though? Yeah. What's his name? Billy Graham's one. Is it? Yeah. I feel there's something just would not allow me

to do it. Whenever I had the opportunity to try maybe to enjoy something or something to happen something bad would happen i could not win for losing but i know this is all the show this is all shit you don't want to hear but i had to get it off my mind anyway the public's not hearing any of this anyway yeah they are so there's not much difference. Bye. Okay. There you go. Back again. No! God damn it!

Hey, Jeff and John as brothers, I don't know if the police is going to let you hear this or not, but it's how I feel that you would help me make a gun to kill your brother Jim make you feel good? Make you feel good? Why did I have to be the one who do all these bad things? Why couldn't it have been one of you guys? You guys are a lot worse than I was. John, you did two or three DUIs and did some time in California. Jeff, Jeff, uh, driven Jeff ever since I could remember. And he never did get

caught. Why am I the one who always has to be the one that always has to be involved in all this shit? Now I have to worry about any trails off, I wish it would have been around you. I should have died young because you would have deserved this more than I do. But not now because of all the bad things I've done. So consider yourself lucky. You're alive until you get to work a little bit. I don't know what's going to happen to you. You probably will be off walking the streets in an hour, but at least you'll know, at least everybody will know that you did it. It won't be a lie, not a lie. Then he takes a deep breath, it says, and he says,

at least everybody will know what you did and you can't lie about it. Oh, it could be speculation about this or that, of course, but how do you feel? You prefer jail until you're dead someplace now? I know you didn't, but I'm enjoying it it now i'm in a bad desperation here the whole hell of a lot you know thank you a whole hell of a lot click clicked it off then he says i'd like to add a tidbit to my story one more thing i think what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna take that gun i want to hear a little bit of jeffrey something i got it hidden underneath his porch and i'm gonna take it with me because i think that's the gun I'm going to use to kill myself with because I strangled that

one girl. I shot Carolyn in the head twice, which she kept saying, please take me to the farm and shoot me in the head. Please take me to the farm and shoot me in the head. Alright, here you go. And I shot her. You know, I've been caught by the law for anything like that. I had the shotgun, couple pistols. I'll tell you what,

that's all I have. The pistols. Maybe a half stick of dynamite. I don't know about that yet I had the shotgun, a couple pistols. I'll tell you what, that's all I have, the pistols. Maybe a half stick of dynamite. I don't know about that yet. What? Yeah, now he's like, I got that. Well, if I had that, I'd just blow myself up with that. You know, a gas bomb or something. But yeah, it's funny.

I'm going to go over today and get that gun tonight. When no one's around, I'll sneak out. I'll sneak that gun out of Jeff's underneath the porch and take it with me in case there'll be a real nut and chase them when I'm ready to do it. Since I blew those two, I shot those girls and they didn't turn. I'm going to do the same thing to me because that's what I got to do. But in that little tidbit right now, you got hopefully you'll get the mail and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He says, oh, you know, one who did the least of all this is Tom Motes. Only thing he did was he didn't like them either.

He was just look out and said, hell, hell, and said he hell, hell, help me. That's what he the way he put it. Helped us burn down this house. OK, so I told Tom, I said, Tom, if you take that lie detector test, I said, and you tell the truth and I'll shoot your fucking ass. This is beforehand. He's going to tell on him. So he says, so anyway, like I said, who am I? I'm the murderer. I'm the scum to you guys.

I'd like to say one thing. You all need to work on your procedures. Okay. Again, you get lax too. The one time if you get lax like that stupid cop did on that night he pulled me over for weaving, he was a little lax, I think. If he was lax at his job, then he should have taken the gun and put me in jail. Okay, we get that. And then I killed that girl with that gun.

Right. You know that whole fucking situation. You do what the fuck you want. I don't care. I'm in the wrong, all right? I'm the asshole here, all right? What am I, the bad guy? What am I, the fucking? Quote quote i'm a bad person is the next thing

that is fucking amazing i'm a bad person um so he goes on to a ramble and talk more about his brothers and more about his brothers and more about his fucking brothers oh my god um he says but anyway i'm gonna take it out and um the gun and use it and then i'm gonna kill myself with it i just wanted to let you know well uh i was gonna tell you how short it was but i'm not now uh cause here it's short very very short well i don't think it's i i don't think if i've been from the police i'm looking at my dead date carrying caroline's car out here. She's just got that.

She kept saying, oh, that car will help me get that car. I remember so she couldn't find me. Oh, he co-signed for her car, I think. Answer your phone, sweetie. Answer your phone, sweetie. Answer your phone, sweetie. Anything from her.

I've been sitting here since 2001. I had depression real bad and all this. And she kept playing head games with me. So I have to admit, maybe she knew what was coming. But guys, you don't fuck around with a man like that. And she fucked around with me or whatever. I don't know. But anyway, I better let this finish.

So I think I'm going to send this all off in the mail now. Bye. I'll send it off in the mail soon. I mean, bye. Okay. Now, end of recording finally that's the end of it he finally got to it i co-signed on a car with her an hour and a half after i started this and i killed just a plain old just a prostitute from town he was never even a suspect

in their in their cases is that right never even a suspect never even talked to him never of anything he never said yeah if he had never sent this yeah they would have just been big mysteries he would have got away with it forever now that after all this the police reveal oh in his house they also found a hit list amongst his shit of course with the names of three women under a bed this was under a bed in the burned out remains of his home he found a list um and uh there was several people on that list and uh they said they have tried to talk to the women on the list but they haven't returned phone messages however they're all alive so that's good police would not say why uh they were targeted but they

said that you know who knows what this fucking guy. They said he had specific connections to specific lifestyles and I'll have to leave it at that. That's what the police officer said. Oh, what does that mean? We can't. We don't want to besmirch him. He's got to have some gay shit going on, right? The only way they use the word lifestyles back then is in a gay way, right?

That's it. That's like code. So they said that Childers also had on his list that he contemplated killing three local police officers as well. He bragged that he'd been carrying a gun around and could have shot Clarksburg police officers and Harrison County Sheriff's Department. Yeah. He said that Matheny was not one of the officers, the guy he sent it to. They also said that he seemed he basically they say he just seems to think he's smarter than the police. So he that's why he wanted to do it, basically, because they're dumb.

They said the FBI described Childers as egotistical and said he believed no one could judge him because no one could understand him. and said he believed no one could judge him because no one could understand him. They said in the course of the letter, he never sounded apologetic or guilty, rather fantasized about killing people and blamed his urges on everything from upbringing to drugs. Right. Yeah, he said nothing was his fault. So they're looking for him. Now they have a manhunt for him. Oh, boy.

Watch out for the police. Yeah, well, June 2, 2009, shortly after all this, they issue a police warrant. He is last seen at the Town House Motel in Clarksburg. So they, during all this, by the way, during the manhunt, he actually went back to his house to cut some tree branches that a neighbor had complained about. Got to do it. Got to be a good neighbor. Got to be a good neighbor. Got to be a good neighbor before the cops close in on me. Okay.

So then he spotted at the motel, like we said, and the police surround the building. They surround the hotel. And when they surround the hotel, they attempt to make contact with him and hear a gunshot. Oh, no. Blew his own head off stop it yep took him out just like he said he was gonna yep once they found him done they said after confirming his death

they combed through his farm where according to him there's at least three other women buried on the farm um but no other remains were found only the two women um only the two women uh one of his friends said he was out at times, but never anything that would indicate this type of behavior. They're still looking for bodies, though, because it's hard to find on here. So they said that they'll reopen the case on the urging of the FBI. Yeah, you got to find these people. Yeah, the behavioral unit actually came out and said he didn't just kill two women and his friend. He did this, and he's been doing it for a long time. Yeah, there's more.

He's 45. There's more. They said he's a serial killer, and I'd keep looking around. So they decide they will. They're going to keep looking. Matheny, who is the guy he sent everything to to, um, said the FBI's report, which he read recommends West Virginia state police reexamine the 96 acre property. And they'll also work with the state medical examiner on a five year old case of the Ralph Hill guy that we told you about. Um, they said that that is, uh, they have to exhume him and they consider Childers the prime suspect in his murder.

Of course. They said a second cold case will also be reviewed, but they wouldn't give any details about that. Matheny, though, said without more bodies, fresh tips or witnesses, or some other new evidence, a lot of questions aren't going to be found. He said when he took his own life, he took a lot of good information with him. They said if the next uh they said if the next search of the property is fruitless then they said they might end up not having anywhere to go the mike detective mike walsh said there will come a point when we've

done all we can do so um the state police say said quote uh let's face it someone who would commit a crime such as this either has mental problems or they're deranged, which are the same thing. What are you doing, man? They're either crazy or out of the mind. It's fucking nuts. One of the two. He said it's very possible it could be a silly, sick game on his part to keep our resources

and manpower tied up with this search because there's nothing to corroborate his statements. With the other two, he was very specific about where we could find them and we found them. Most likely, he would be detailed with the others if they occurred. And he does besmirch the police. He doesn't trust them. He doesn't like them. He thinks he's smarter than them. So that's a good point.

Everyone but Matheny because he was nice to him when they got in a car accident. Right. So, meanwhile, none of the other cops ever hit him with the car. Right. So, you know, they said city, county, state, and federal authorities are all tracking down leads, fielding dozens of phone calls and calling for help in examination of forensic evidence and digging up historical records on Childers. They said there's literally thousands of things that need to be done, Matheny said. They're also reexamining unsolved missing person cases from around the state and taking a closer look at the house that he admitted to setting on fire.

Matheny said that Childers recently sold the small White House and they said arson detectives have been in the house and sifted through it. But after all this, they're going to go through it again obviously so they search and search and search we're talking everybody all hands on deck search and they still can't find anything else oh my god they still can't find anything else they said the investigation has slowed down considerably as they review old cases and look for new tips and try to figure it out. Basically, they said, when you're in law enforcement, you can walk into our office and have a clear desk. But many cases like this are always going to be sitting in front of you.

This is the county prosecutor. He says cases like this, you think you read about them every day or you think about them every day. There's not a week that goes by that we haven't talked about this case. And at a certain point, you want to quit waiting on somebody to come forward. So you throw a line out there to see what you can catch. But after 15 months after the suicide, they still have nothing else. They still have nothing. They don't know if those extra women he said he killed are fact or fiction. They've repeatedly searched.

They said that just haven't found anything they said his claims to have buried them deep and several hundred yards apart but the land is remote and wooded and it's hard to find though other cops said they could very well be out there he said about about him quote he could have gone out there and dug for days and days and days he could have built a house out there and nobody would have seen it. Nobody would have known anything. Yeah. Yeah. He said so.

They think it would be worth going back and using all available resources to dig up the acreage. Just dig up 96 acres. Oh, my. Holy shit. They said until then, further excavation is on hold. They said that regardless of him claiming in the transcript, you know, his brothers helped him and don't let them tell you they didn't and all that. Police say those people were thoroughly investigated and we don't consider them to be suspects and won't and we won't consider it to be the truth. That's what Matheny said.

They also said having an accomplice is also inconsistent with the behavior that the FBI has, you know, overlaid him with. This guy's behavior is that he does it alone, right? Yeah, he wouldn't have somebody else. Now, in 2017, a documentary titled Mountain of the Missing centered around events in Clarksville here in an attempt to find evidence about Childers' involvement in disappearances and murders of more people in clarksburg and harrison county so during the filming they interviewed friends and all that kind of everybody cops and all that kind of shit um they tried to gain access to the child or family farm in order to locate the burial sites of they wanted to do it themselves fuck we'll dig it up

and uh they wanted to use metal detectors and shit like that but the childers would not give them permission the family told them no huh yep and then the clarksburg police department also refused to issue a search warrant well because then they'd have to do it if they had a search warrant they don't get a search warrant for you oh here you go dickhead with three digital cameras and a boom mic you know you guys do it you have the expertise it's not a day pass for a national park you fucking yeah jesus christ so kenneth wiseman okay although never proven police alleged that childers was the culprit in the murder of kenneth kenneth wiseman who was an alleged prostitute of clarksburg. See what I mean? Oh. Kenneth, who's a prostitute. Right.

Yeah. So he does things and then morally judges himself and then lashes out on others for it. That's what he does. So they said a rape kit was performed on Kenneth Weisberg, but the rape kit was lost by the police. Fantastic work, fellas. Yep.

And they can't link anything. They said maybe it would have made a difference because the DNA swab was never taken from Childers either. They don't have a good DNA on him either. Oh, no. And he was cremated after his death, so they never got it after that. Oh, my God. Rather than grabbing a swab quick, they were just like, yeah, sure, send him through, and that's what happened. The guy's got a hole in his head.

Throw a couple of cotton balls in there. Yeah, what the fuck. And hang on to him for a while. That's it. Just put him in a little tube. There's a bug. We'll deal with it later. Wiseman's death was ultimately ruled as a medical death, even though police still have

speculations of foul play. Another woman they keep looking at, which I don't think he did but is possible, is a woman named Sue Faye Roop, R-O-O-P. This is a big one in the whole web sleuth community here. They love this one. She disappeared in the 70s here. I believe 79 is when she disappeared, which is when he was 15 and she was 30. Oh.

So that's what people keep latching on to um she had like three kids a nine a seven and a two-year-old okay and uh she had just gone through a bad divorce and um after finding out her husband was having an affair with the babysitter yeah so it was tough yeah that old trope here uh so from Websleuths.com, somebody wrote, Is it possible that James Childers murdered Sue Roop? And if it is, in fact, Sue Roop's remains found at the Gauley Bridge. DNA matches Sue Roop. It doesn't mean police say someone helped carry the body there. She may have been tricked to walk there by her killer and killed there or nearby there.

This is also why I asked how Sue Rupp's home burnt down. James Childers was also a confessed arsonist. Obviously, was also a confessed arsonist. Where am I here? Yeah, Cobb claimed Sue Rupp had a new lover. No one ever said who that new lover was, and it was not clear if they were talking about Sue Rupp or Raymond Rupp in that news story. That is another hint that would be helpful. So they're saying that this could have been it. Childers' confession offers some good

clues, and it may or may not have something to do with Rupp. Notice that Childers' claims to have been with a 30-year-old woman at age 15, had been mobile as long as he could remember. It was not uncommon in West Virginia and many states for teens to drive without a driver's license, even if caught by the police back in the 70s. So they're really trying to do that. Now, they found a body on Bolt Mountain in December 1993, which they originally thought was Sue Rupp, and they found it, and I don't believe it was.

The more they learned, the more they became convinced that the remains were those of Sue, but the body had been abandoned in a forest area and not buried deep enough to protect from exposure or discovery. Roop had disappeared in a cold winter and would have been difficult to dig a burial hole, so they were talking about that. They said that they thought it was her very much so. The body matched a lot of different things, but the results were inconclusive. They went through and they couldn't find whether it was her or not, basically.

They had a mismatch thinking it was somebody else. And he did say that that woman fucked him up pretty bad. Yeah. They said, though nothing in the DNA test eliminates her as a possibility, there's also not enough evidence to prove that it was her skeleton. In 96, the skeletal remains were sent to one of the leading DNA specialists in the nation at Penn State University for mitochondrial DNA testing.

And they said that the body on Bolt Mountain matched DNA of Sue Rupp's family in 25 of 26 points. They said the mismatch on the one point could be attributed to contamination or other factors. They said, making the following recommendation, if there is sufficient compelling other evidence to support the claim that the remains are those of Sue Rupp, then this should be repeated in an independent sample. So they said that they're trying to find out. They were trying to link him to this, but it doesn't look like he did this, essentially. In 2016, though, human remains were found in Fayette County, originally believed to be that of Sue Rupp, because they never found that it was her who went missing in February 79. But they were confirmed to be ancient remains of three different individuals that are at least 200 years old.

Holy shit. Yeah, three different people buried up there, old, way, way fucking old. Three different people buried up there, old, way, way fucking old. People were searching for artifacts around here and came across human remains. And the remains were sent to the medical examiner's office and the FBI. And they said that they received notice that the remains did not belong to Roop and that they were considered ancient, containing bones from three different individuals. And they may be more than 200 years old. So, old bones.

On a hillside. How do you accidentally find 200-year-old bodies? Right. Well, stumbled across three of them. Three, yeah. So that is a weird story. And James Childers and the story. So he definitely killed two women. That's a fact.

And so many more. And 99% sure he killed Cecil Ralph Hill. Yeah. And he might have had plenty more. He seems like the type to me that probably didn't kill three prostitutes and bury him on that property, but he probably killed more than that and not around there. That's his way of keeping them away from where they might be is to keep them searching on

his property. Just think about that. Yeah. Yeah. That way he's smarter than them. Yeah. I didn't tell you where they were. Oh, they're on my property.

Just keep searching. Oh, it's 96 acres and they're deep. So keep going. Meanwhile, they're God knows where. Dig deep. They're probably shallow in another county. Who knows? Just to fuck with them.

You know what I mean? You know what? Maybe having that fat fuck dig so much, he'll drop some LBs. Yeah, maybe do that. Maybe get Menendez out there with a shovel. But that, like I said, that's a weird kind of a different case. Fascinating. Kind of that whole narrative, and we go off of that.

It's a weird different case, and just thought we'd do something a little different this week. I want that tape so bad. I would love to hear this guy's hillbilly voice for two hours that would be amazing that would be a lot of the yeah i think it's it's annoying that he said everything he said on the a side then went to the b side to say so much more of it all over again it's so annoying is he just did he forget where he was he said he was taking xanax yeah yeah so if you take xanax you forget and you repeat shit yeah you you get in that loop yeah you know what i'm saying like i've seen that before that that fucking pill loop and that's what i think he's in he's just like let me turn this back on again and another thing

my fucking brothers are dicks man yeah and for real. So that is Clarksburg. Saying it over and over again is a typical substance abuse person, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you forget you said it, and you repeat it, and then you forget you said it, and you repeat it, and you forget you said it, and you repeat it. And then you stand on the edge of somebody's car telling them over and over and over again. By the way, then you forget you said it, and you repeat it. That's what happens. I wish after some of these clicks he would have went, I'm back.

All right. Just had to go get some pizza. Okay, I'm back now, little boys. Here's Jimmy. What is it? James, yeah? James. Yeah, here's James.

Here's Jimmy. Here's Jim. Whatever he likes to go by. I think he goes by Jim most of all. Probably. So there he is there this is there's a wild case two women died horrible deaths that were really unnecessary um especially one you know i feel like and i've watched countless documentaries like the hookers

at the point documentaries on hbo and those women know there's danger yep you know what i mean and they're prepared for it and And their ears are up. Their ears are up. They know that it's out there. But, like, the other woman didn't know anything was amiss. She thought everything was fine. And next thing you know, this guy's killing her. And then he's telling everyone that she wanted him to do that, which is also crazy.

Begging. Please take me to the farm and shoot me in the fucking head. So good thing he's dead either way. So it's a bummer that he got out the way he did, though. I really don't like it. It sucks. I don't like it at all. Nope.

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So that was a lot of fun, a lot of good stuff there. And then for Small Town Murders, we're going to talk about Sherry Papini, the California woman who faked her own kidnapping for who knows. That's the weird part. Hard to figure out. I have a theory. i have a theory and i think it's the right theory because i mean why else would i have thought of it if i didn't think it was right but i think it's right let's all talk about it because that's going to be a discussion

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Thank you both for coming down to hang out in Detroit. So good to see you. Definitely, always. And she wants us to make sure that we mention Brie Della Cassie, Caitlin, Robin Amber, Cody, and Delaney, who all came to the Detroit shows. Yes, yes, yes. We know all of them.

Thank you, everybody. So good to see you guys. Good to see Jason Fuller. Enjoy the Chet Lemon jersey. Yeah, he was jacked about it. He wanted me to tell you thank you. He's the largest Tiger fan I know. And they sent me a jersey.

Size and heart. Yeah, they sent me a jersey, and it's way, they gave me the wrong size. So it's perfect for him. So he's got it, and he fits it. Yeah. And other executive producers, Christine G., Julie Goforth, David Roden, and Christy. I think that's his girlfriend.

Maybe. I'm not sure. And Dominic Wecken's fiance, Erica. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, crazy fuckers. Erica's birthday. Happy birthday. All right.

Other producers this week are James in Florida, Evan and Dear Walona, Ivan Putzke, and his Paulish. James in Florida from good times. Yeah. Parents from good times. I'm just trying to rattle them all. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. I hear James in Florida Evans and I'm like, what happened?

James died. I'm still sad about it. Fuck. Gary Friedman. Is it Friedman? Yeah, it's Friedman. Loves to give me all these names of people that i don't know who any of these fucking people are when i read them so i just have

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