Small Town Murder - #39 - The Orbit Of A Killer in Epping, New Hampshire

Episode Date: October 11, 2017

This week, we check out the pretty, little town of Epping, New Hampshire, where someone heartlessly drew in victim, after victim, until it was too much for anyone to ignore. Lives were ruined, bodies were burned, and toes were found a decade later. This is a crazy story, that never stops getting crazier! Along the way, we find out what parades are absolutely necessary to a town, how easy it can be to take over someone's entire life, and what bones are simply too big to belong to rabbit! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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on a holiday. Let's do it. Oh, boy. We are going to Epping, New Hampshire. Ooh, exciting. Sounds cold. It's there in the northeast. It's cold. It's like the far southeast part of the state. So it's not up way north by Canada. It's practically Boston. Gotcha. It's down in that region. It's pretty much Boston.

It's around. It's, you know, I would call it not a suburb, but it's I feel like they get all the Boston local news stations and all that sort of thing. Like I've been in a Rhode Island before and they get all the Boston stuff. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Rhode Island shouldn't even shouldn't even put in the effort. They should fuck it. Whatever is closest.

Whatever. There's not enough room for anything here. So we have nothing here. It is in Rockingham County. Zip code 03042. Area code 603. But we also have an odd thing here with it. It says that there's a 679 exchange.

What in the fuck does that mean? No fucking idea. I just picture some old operator plugging in with a 50s accent like, yeah, 679-340. You know does that mean? No fucking idea. I just picture some old operator plugging in like, you know, with a 50s accent like six, seven, nine, three, four, zero. You know what I mean? One of those Rockingham. Oh, four, three. I'll put you right through.

She's got like an like an auxiliary plug. That's what I keep doing. You guys folks can't see that. But I imply every time I say something in an operator voice, I'm plugging something into that and connecting you to something. So maybe that's what it is. I don't know, and I don't really care at this point. It is a larger town in terms of square mileage.

That doesn't reflect on where the people are, but it's 26.2 square miles, which I believe is about the size of Manhattan. That's a decent-sized area. I wouldn't have any fucking idea. That's a big area. In terms of land mass, that's one of our bigger ones so far. One of the bigger ones, but most of the people are crammed into one area of town. It's not spread out throughout that. And then there's the rural area of town with farms and all that sort of thing, and that's where we're going to be this week.

Their slogan, they don't have a slogan now that I can find, but their slogan for years was Epping, the center of the universe, which I assume is sarcastic as shit, because it is certainly not the center of the universe. Or some flat earther designed it and was like, boy, did we fuck up. There's the center. We did it. Perfect. Moving on. Moving on to other forms of science.

And then there was a moon landing, and they were like, we should probably take that shit down. Let's stop. This is ridiculous. This is not really the center of the universe. Definitely is not. Let's go with Jupiter, maybe, at that point. And it's not even the center of the universe. Definitely is not. Let's go with Jupiter maybe at that point. And it's not even the center of America.

It's not even the center of fucking Rhode Island or Delaware. No, not at all. Rhode Island, whatever. Delaware. You know where you're going with that. The town was originally part of Exeter, which was one of the four original New Hampshire townships is what they did here. Is it the exit or is it the center? Figure it out, fuckers.

Exeter. Exeter. So to encourage settlement, what they would do is give away land to people. That's what they did back in the day anyway. We want people here.

Well, shit, let's just give them the land. People will go where they want. So basically, you get a big plot of woods. I grew up in the wrong era. There you go. Wouldn't that be great?

You grew up about 350 years too late. Yeah. I guess. If you wanted to die from a cold and shit in a hole in the middle of the winter, then this would have been great for you. You grew up now or you grew up then and you fear polio. I'll take non-polio and having to pay for my house. I think it's much better here. In 1741, it was incorporated into a town.

Epping was. It became its own thing at that point. Epping was named for Epping, England, is what it was named for. Rockingham's somewhere in England, too, isn't it? Yeah, everything in the Northeast is named after English towns. Which is hilarious that we separated. And they're like, fuck it, let's just name everything after that. They didn't want to leave England, those people.

They just wanted to practice their weird religion and burn women at the stake for having an opinion and shit like that. They wanted stuff like that. They're like, yeah, an opinion and shit like that. They wanted stuff like that. They're like, yeah, I don't know about that. So they came over here and they're like, we'll make it just like England, except we can burn people at the stake at will. That sort of thing here. Now, following the American Revolution, a lot of this town's residents moved to Maine, moved to Monmouth, Maine, because a general up there was offering free land to his soldiers.

So they were like, well, that's more free land. We'll go up there. So it was that sort of thing. Just chasing the land fire safe. Chasing the land. That's what people did. And then they went out. Why do you think there's people in Oklahoma for Christ's sake?

You think they'd be sitting there waiting for the next tornado to come if nobody gave their ancestors land a shitload long ago? Like, why are we here? Why are we here? Because we have no mortgage. That's why. It was free. We have a mortgage now, but my great, great, great, lazy-ass grandfather decided this is

a fine place to set a stop. He just packed up the wagon train and let seven people die on the way here for his free land. All their little headstones behind. My God. When I was a kid, I was obsessed with the Oregon Trail like that, too, and I always thought of that, too. I thought, did people really do that? Fuck yeah, they did.

And they think they did, which is kind of neat. Now they're all in Oklahoma. It crosses all over the mountains of Tennessee because of it. That's true, yeah. By 1790, this town already had 1,200 people. So I mean, we were barely a country over here yet. There was still shit being signed and articles being ratified and things like that. And there was already 1,200 people in this town. Fascinating. The principal thing here was farming all through the 1800s. Tons of farms. Also, they have a lot of clay here, reserves under the ground.

So they're digging up. How would you like to be a clay farmer? Like digging up clay? That sounds dirty and awful. I'd rather be a diamond miner in Africa. They'd probably let you keep both arms if you can't get any clay out. So maybe this would be better. But it's still cleaner. It's terrible.

Oh, God, yeah, you're going to come out much cleaner. That sounds horrible. Slipping all over the place on the clay. Awful. They would use, the residents here made bricks with the clay. That was the big industry here, was brick making. Dig up the clay, let's make some bricks. They're not even brick layers, they're brick makers.

Makers. They'll slap it together. Picture them making like a mud pie. Alright, that's good enough. Put those three holes in it and throw it in the pile. Cook that shit. Put it in the kiln. That's it, man. In 1840, there was a commercial brickyard that opened up here, though, and really blew the whole place up. Forget about it.

You get a commercial brickyard in town. Whew, shit gets going. There was railroads all through here. All sorts of railroads crisscrossing and through here. Now, by the 80s, there was no railroads anymore. They stopped coming through there. Now, there's just like a thing saying here was the railroad, basically.

And they bypassed the whole town? Because the railroad still exists. I mean, they still use it all over the place. Yeah, it's just not here. They took these lines out, apparently. They just cut that. Yeah, there's the- Fuck that e the place. Yeah, it's just not here. They took these lines out, apparently. They just cut that. Yeah, there's the- Fuck that epping place.

The Worcester, Nashua, and Rochester Railroads. And then there was a Portsmouth and Concord Railroad, and they all kind of- things got abandoned in the 30s. Gotcha. They first started going in the early 30s, 32, so I figured the Depression probably had something to do with that. That makes sense. It sounds right in that time frame.

That's what I would think, too. Yeah. They have a big theater there. It's the letty center it's an antique playhouse where they do all sorts of plays and that sort of thing is that i don't know we should do a live show there we should maybe do a live show there probably not boston can come up we're actually a little little secret here we're actually uh looking into boston right now yeah boston might be coming soon guys so if you're in boston wait for us here wait for us we're coming soon we're coming soon, guys. If you're in Boston, wait for us here. Wait for us. We're coming soon.

We're coming soon. I want to see where that time capsule is that Paul Revere buried. They just dug one up that he buried. That's cool shit. That's badass. That I would like to see that. Not a lot of people here. Famous people from the town, you try to find some of them here.

It's a lot of like Senator of New Hampshire in the 1800s shit. People you would know, the 36th governor of New Hampshire from the 1800s. He's got to come from somewhere. The only cool thing I found was Carl Stearns Clancy was the first person to circumnavigate the globe on a motorcycle. I don't know how the fuck you do that. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. That is impressive.

That is the most impressive feat I've ever heard of, honestly. How do you build a nautical motorcycle? He's amazing, this guy. Incredible. He's like, how the shit do you do? I understand. It's from land to land. But that's not circumnavigating the globe.

No. Most of the globe is water. You circumnavigated a portion of the globe, asshole. You circumnavigated the fucking land on the globe. That's pretty much it. And by the way, I hate anything with the word circum in the beginning of it. Let's not do that ever again. That sounds painful.

Very painful, the whole thing here. the word circum in the beginning of it. Let's not do that ever again. That sounds painful. Very painful, the whole thing here. People in this town, population is 6,835, which is actually up about a third, 32% since 1990. What in the shit is happening? I don't know.

People are moving there. I think it's like everywhere back east. Like where I'm from got a lot more crowded. It's about an hour north of New York City. It got very crowded around that time. That was the time when cities back east got really expensive. And people started fleeing toward the suburbs. And I think that's probably what you got, a bunch of people from Boston going, hey, that's a nice town with cheap shit.

Let's go there. It's a housing bubble. That's what that is. Yeah. That's the other thing. Median age in this town, a few years older than usual. It's 37.4 is our average. Up here, we're about 41.6.

Okay. Male, female populations are pretty normal. A lot of married people here. More than normal. 63% of the population is married. It's usually 50-50. Yeah. So that's odd.

I don't know. I don't know. I guess when you're on a farm, when you're making clay bricks, you stay together. People who make clay bricks together stay together, from what I understand. That's just what I've heard. I think there's an old country song by that name. A lot of couples like to go to those fucking pot factories and go paint shit together. bricks together, stay together, from what I understand. That's just what I've heard. I think there's an old country song by that name. Well, a lot of couples like to go to those fucking pot

factories and go paint shit together. Oh, it's craft. It's the pottery. They're crafting, Jimmy. They're crafting. That pottery holds shit together. Divorce rate here is about normal. There's a few more, a few less, I'm sorry, single with children people wandering around here. So you either get married and stay married

or you get knocked up and you don't get married. Either way, you're having kids. Either way, there are some damn kids here coming out in this town. The race of the town, a very, very white town. You bet. Which New Hampshire, it's known for. It's very white there. Not anybody else has really made their way up there.

96.57% white. Holy shit. Pretty much this town is, you could put this town and a bar of ivory soap next to each other and go, which one is whiter and more pure white? I'm not sure. I can't tell. I dare you. I cannot tell. And a gallon of whole milk.

Yeah, exactly. Which, pick the whitest. Pick the white one. Shoes and some Elmer's glue. Yeah. The Hispanic population here, 0.0% black, 0.0% Asian. We don't want any damn restaurants. I'll go to Boston if I want Chinese food.

Fucking want nothing here. The way it's working. Hispanic population, 0.15%. Jesus. There's like three guys, probably. Two guys. That's it. That's nobody else.

Religious, the religion here, normally it's about 50-50. Like we say, 39 39 of the people here identify as religious yeah most of them are catholic obviously catholics the baptists of the north you better know it so goddamn funny in this region there is tons of catholics obviously here uh nothing else really to speak of in terms of uh different religions uh we do have 0.32 percent jewish what so a So a couple of Jewish people. Maybe there'll be less violence. We'll see.

I know the story, so I'm going to say not. 0.0% Muslim, which is to be expected up there. Politically, it's almost even, which is kind of New Hampshire's a toss-up state most of the time. 47% Democrat, about 52% Republican at the time of this. Yeah. And that's for this town. It's always a flip. I always picture that area just being overrun with Kennedys and Kennedy supporters.

I'm always shocked. Well, it's rural. I get it. But I'm always still shocked to hear that one person's a Republican. It's rural up there, and they're also very anti-the-city up there, whether you're Vermont, New Hampshire. It's like, well, scumbags down in Boston, they don't know why they're saying that. Those damn liberals in Boston.

Not even that, just they're down there fucking each other, and there's illegitimate children left and right. I feel like they're judgmental up there. Supporting the gays and all that shit. All that shit, yeah. Weird stuff. Unemployment rate here, it's less than 3%, which is good. That's not bad for a town here.

Good job growth, that sort of thing. It's way better than national average. Isn't national average like 7 or 6? It's 5.2 is the national average. But still, that's a couple percent better. That's not bad at all. Unemployment rate isn't everything, but it gives you a general overview. Median household income, this is a better indicator here of prosperity, is $77,321.

Thriving like crazy. Yeah, that's almost $25,000 higher than the national average. God, that's money. So that's not bad. They're doing well up there. A lot of jobs, more than twice, or about twice the amount of like management business finance jobs as usual there as average.

A lot of that art and media design, entertainment, that sort of thing, a lot. So it feels like maybe some of these companies moved out of Boston and they have put a media company up in a lower rent area, that sort of thing, a lot. So it feels like maybe some of these companies moved out of Boston and they put a media company up in a lower rent area, that sort of thing. Taxes and all that shit. Absolutely. Yeah.

New Hampshire is very low on taxes also. As a matter of fact, I believe there is no sales or income tax, I believe, in New Hampshire. How the hell do they figure that out? If I'm not mistaken. Because there's nobody there. You live on a fucking farm. Yeah, but I get that. What do they need taxes for?

Where do they get the fucking money? From the federal government, I would imagine. Okay. I guess property tax? For things like that. And there's got to be some sort of tax. There has to be something because there are schools and things like that. Yeah, they got roads.

Granted, even if they're dirt, they got to fucking grade them. Cost of living here is a little higher than usual. We say 100 is the normal. That's par average. Here, 125 is the cost of living. Okay. A little high. That's a little steep here.

Everything's a little higher. Groceries, health care, utilities are $150,000. So that's high up there. Housing, though, $130,000 out of $100,000. So high on the housing here. That's fucking crazy. It is. Median home cost there is $241,000.

My God. In the rest of the country, it's $185,000. That's so much money. That's a lot for a house. Looking for a quarter million dollars for an average house. An average house. And it's about 65% of the houses there are between $150,000 and $300,000. So that's the range

where you're looking here. And if you are looking in fact to move to Epping, New Hampshire, we have something for you. The Epping, New Hampshire real estate report, baby. My favorite. Let's do it. We have a two-bedroom apartment here, about $1,010 a month. That's average, right?

Which is right about, that's just like $30 less than the average. I found a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,530-square-foot house for $224,900. Okay. Not that great of a house, too. It's a pretty small looking. It's 1,500 square feet, but it doesn't look great from the outside. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, a little nicer looking from the outside, 1,600 square feet for $269,000.

And I found a three-bedroom, three-bath, 2,100 square foot house. Very nice house. That's a house. It's beautiful looking, too. It's a real nice house, nice yard. $410,000. Fucking what? So, buckle up here. In a farming community. Like, I've seen that shark tank where the guy makes, like, those tree

teepee things. Yeah. And they're like, how much do you sell them for? He's like, I make them for a dollar. I sell them for $3 or whatever. 70 cents, I sell them for a dollar. Whatever. He makes very little profit on them, is the point. And they're like, why don't you sell them for, like, $5? And he's like, these are farmers. And like he loses his shit for like even the suggestion of taking money from farmers.

If a farmer can afford a $460,000 house, jack your prices up on shit. I feel like there's not a lot of farmers left around here, Jimmy. I feel like these quote farmhouses are probably mostly wealthy people from the city who want quiet. Old money. Who move from Boston. Or just people who work and have a good job in Boston. They work somewhere. Because Boston has good salaries and it's crazy expensive to live there.

Also, too, Steve Jobs has fucking had. That's a bad example. He's dead. Oprah has several houses around this country. She may have one in Epping. You never know. That's the most expensive house there and she's never there. And maybe while she's there, she participates in the things to do in Epping.

Oh, this is great. Epping has two annual parades. It is the Christmas parade and the Memorial parade. The Memorial parade, exactly what you'd expect youth sports teams. Memorial Day? Yeah, the Memorial Day parade.

Scouts, you know, Boy Scouts, high school marching bands, the fire department, and Christmas parade, a little different here, a little different. A few fire trucks, fire department, and a Christmas parade, though, a little different here. A little different. A few fire trucks, police cars, and they go around town with Santa and the elves. Oh, boy.

I don't know if they bring in real dwarves or not. We are not sure. They're fucking better. They bring in real little people or how they work this, but if this town's worth a shit, they bring in fucking dwarves. I guarantee you Santa Claus Georgia. Was it Santa Claus Georgia? Was it Georgia?

Santa Claus Georgia, yeah. I guarantee they bring them in. Yeah, they bring them in. Yeah, maybe they do a little tour. Maybe that's it. Maybe they're like comics or now. Was it Santa Claus Georgia? Was it Georgia? Santa Claus Georgia, yeah. Yeah, I guarantee they bring them in. Yeah, they bring them in. Maybe they do a little tour. Maybe that's it. Maybe they're like comics or something. Just travel more around. Yeah, all right.

Now we're up in New Hampshire next. Are y'all booked on the 23rd? Yeah, we're booked. Sorry, we got a big gig in New Hampshire. So they have Santa and they throw candy to the kids who are outside. Perfect. So if you're outside freezing your ass off in the middle of December in New Hampshire, maybe a dwarf will throw some candy at you.

That sounds terrific. Drilling the frozen nose with a candy cane. Can't wait. Crime rates in this town. What we're interested in here, the nitty, the gritty, the crime. Property crime is actually a little lower than the national average here. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault is right at national average. So you are just as likely to be murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted

here as anywhere else in the country. So that's not bad. That's not high anything or anything like that. But let's talk about some murder, shall we? Let's shut up and give you a murder. We're going to discuss a case this week that I've actually seen a couple other places. Now, normally what we'll do is, I don't want to do anything that other people do. So I'll look and I'll scour, and if I see another podcast has done it or anything, even if it's a little thing on it, I'm like, well, that's out.

You're telling me you treat this podcast like you're comedy, James. Oh, Jesus, trying to be original? You're telling me you Google shit? Oh, my God. Why would you do that? Trying to be original and shit. This case, I have seen a couple of places like that, but they never cover it right. They never cover it right.

And that's the thing. It's like, why are we not going to do a really good case that people would be interested in? Sure. Because other people, there's a podcast on that was literally 18 minutes long. Why waste the time? We just spend more time on the town we're in than that. We're going to get so deep into the crime part. So I decided that with this one, I said, you know what?

I don't give a shit if other people have done it. I'm not going to do that all the time, but this is an interesting case. It's in a goddamn small town. It's in our wheelhouse, and no one has covered it right. Fantastic. So we're going to do it our way. I don't care what anyone else has done. We'll give this justice.

Let's do this. Let's give somebody justice. Let's talk about a young woman, shall we? Let's talk about Sheila Labar. Okay. Let us talk about her quickly. She's born July 4th, 1958.

Oh, an independence baby. Her nickname... She was the fucking gleaning somebody's eye one time. Somebody was so happy. You know, the next day... The Memorial Day parade is coming up. What day did it just pass? It just passed. It's the 4th of July. It went bad. Memorial Day is in May, right?

And Labor Day is in September? September, yeah. Okay. I never, I mix them. They're very easy to get mixed up, those two. Because who gives a shit? One's at the beginning, one's at the end of the summer. Right. But yeah, because of her birth date, they call her the firecracker.

Oh, Jesus. So that's that right there. That's what you want to be, the firecracker. So she grows up in Fort Payne, Alabama. Okay. So, I mean, yeah, Fort Payne, Alabama, fourth of July. I mean, they were just, whew, man, they were super patriotic over that. Well, half the town was patriotic and half the town tried to wrap her in a Confederate

flag instead. And they said, no way, she's born on the 4th of July. What are you doing? She is the youngest of six children. I don't know if anybody out there has ever known anybody who's had a large family and they're the youngest of many siblings. But most of the time, they're an asshole, usually. Yeah, they're fuck-ups.

A lot of the time, they can be a little bit selfish if you're the youngest, depending on how young. It's either one of two things. They're either spoiled beyond belief by their parents, or they're just like, I've got five others. You're on your fucking own. Yeah, they're just ignored. Yeah, it's one of those things.

It's never like right in the middle and just loved perfectly. Yeah, exactly. They're either completely discarded or the favorite. Yeah, no, it's one of those things. It's never like right in the middle and like just loved perfectly. Yeah, exactly. They're either completely discarded or like the favorite. Yeah, no, it's the truth. It's 100% true. And that leads to weird psychological things I feel like with these people. Both ways, God damn it. Absolutely.

Both of these people, her parents were married. So there wasn't any weird family thing, anything like that. As a child, she had some weird issues. had some weird things with animals, and we'll get into that more. But she's got some weird obsessions with animals and killing animals and caring for animals. And it's really creepy. She's a creepy, creepy, creepy woman. Like breaking bones and resetting them to break them again?

Not that creepy. Because most of her things are with rabbits. So anything you do to a rabbit is not nearly as creepy as snapping a teenage boy's legs and then setting them and snapping them again like happened in Baraboo, Wisconsin. Hilarious. She had a very tough childhood, Sheila, though. This is terrible. This shouldn't happen to anybody, obviously.

From what I understand, there's rumors of incidents of her being a very small child, an infant, and having some form of physical or sexual abuse at that point. And then there's a documented case of six years old when she's six years old of her father being drunk and sexually assaulting her. Jesus Christ. At six years old. How could you?

What a fucking monster. That's a monster right there. Horrible. And what you do when you do that is you're making other monsters. Yeah, she's ruined forever. You're ruining someone's psyche or they go the other way and become either one. Either way, you're screwing this person up. She's never going to have drunk sex ever. That's the worst.

No, she's... Any sort of booze on a dude's breath and you just want to kill him. We'll talk about that. I don't think it keeps her away from it, but it gives her certain emotions that are not safe for those around her. So this definitely screwed her up a little bit here. For sure. As I would imagine it would here.

She has an incident when she is younger, young, young. Her father hit her in the head with a metal can of antifreeze. He did what? And knocked her out, apparently, and caused a little bit of loopiness in the old brain there, as you might imagine, I guess. I would say so. Yeah. Also, too, there's rumor that a family friend of her father's also had some inappropriate relations with her, we'll say.

I don't know the best way to put that, but he fucking diddled her, we'll say. As a child, she's already warped. It's horrible. She also, she at one point slipped and hit her head in a doorway and knocked herself out. So she's had a few head injuries, too, which does not help any of this. If you add head injuries to this cocktail, this shit is getting, it's getting dangerous with the head injuries here. Her father was like a highway worker. You know what I mean?

Like a construction worker? Just part of the highway road crew. So, I mean, you know, whatever. Striper slash salter. Who knows? He's coming home after a hot day in the Alabama sun, getting shit-faced and looking for somebody to take it out on, I feel like here. She graduated high school in 1976 from Fort Payne High School down there. So that's good for her, I guess.

It's a start. It's a start. She finished something. And for her, she's probably like, thank God I can get out of this fucking house now. Yeah, no doubt. Getting molested and hit with antifreeze cans here. From there, she doesn't go to college or anything like that. She kind of dives right into the workforce, as you could say.

Like I said, she's trying to get out of her house. It's never been more obvious. Sure. She works at a motel for a while. Yeah, a motel in a small town. And that's depressing. And she's an assistant administrator at a nursing home for a while. Yeah, a motel in a small town. I mean, that's depressing. And she's an assistant administrator at a nursing home, which is better, but probably more depressing, though. People dropping dead.

Oh, where's Mrs. Jenkins? She's like, oh, okay, never mind. She's not giving back? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Okay, here. But there's rumors of her killing a dog when she was a kid, too, doing weird shit to fish. Jesus.

Cutting them up in weird ways while they're alive that they don't need to be. And also rabbits. I mean, I've cut a fish while it was still alive. Well, yeah, because you're cutting it. But no, she's like doing it for fun. Because I want that shit fresh. Yeah, no, she's doing weird. She's doing that to a goldfish, not a trout.

Yeah, she's not saying this is going to be delicious wrapped in some tinfoil with butter and lemon and some rosemary and roasted over the fire. Oh, I'm so hungry now. That sounds delicious, by the way. But no, she's not doing any of that shit at all. She also has a huge obsession with rabbits that we're going to get into because she's so fucking weird with the rabbits. So creepy. She likes drugs a bit, too. She likes pills.

Who the fuck doesn't? She likes weed. She likes Valium. Yeah, she likes some shit. You know what I mean? During the 1981 year, she has a suicide attempt, which isn't great. She tries to kill herself. I'm not sure exactly how she tried to kill herself, but she attempts suicide and ends up staying in a mental institution for 30 days to, you know, kind of figure that out.

As you should probably do if you're trying. It was obviously reported because that's where it usually goes. Yeah. She was definitely going for results. I feel like they were like she was trying. Yeah. They were like, OK, let's not do this. But she gets out of the mental institution.

And, you know, you're very stable when you first get out of the mental institution. I can imagine you're you're ready to make major life decisions. Right. Yeah. That's definitely definitely on the on the good foot. Yeah. Jumping out of there going now I'm going, now I'm back to work. Anybody got a mortgage I could sign for?

Any kind of long-term commitments I could make? Something like that. Is that possible for me to have? Somebody help me plan out these next eight months. Anybody want to maybe marry me? Yeah. That's what she finds. No way.

Yes, she does. She marries a man named John Baxter on New Year's Eve 1981. Where the fuck did she meet him? I don't know, but it didn't last very long. While married to this John Baxter, the first guy here, in six weeks of marriage, she filed for divorce, but he was the one angry about it. Because after only six weeks, he discovered here that Sheila had been locking his little girl up in a small room while he was at work all day. No. Locking his little girl up.

Yeah. Not great. You can't do that. In six weeks of marriage, she's already doing that shit? By Valentine's Day, they were not together anymore, and then she's filing for divorce later on. So she's really got mental problems here. Can you imagine, though, as a dude?

He's got to feel great that he didn't have to buy her Valentine's Day gift. Yeah. All right. Later. Yeah, exactly. She rubs her little head. She ruffles his daughter's little hair and goes, thanks, little girl. Yeah, you got me out of something here.

Thanks, Brianna. We're going to be great pals. Jesus Christ. Daddy's going to love you forever. Later on, the little girl that she stuck in the room here, we have a quote from her about this. She said, quote, the marriage didn't last very long because as soon as the truth came out about how I was being treated, he ran her off. Good for him.

Good for him. Exactly. Jesus Christ. Good dad. Before a year is up by December 14th, 1982, which is less than a year, she files for divorce from Baxter. She couldn't even make it a whole year with him. Who knows after what she went through with her father?

Who knows what kind of piece of shit this guy was? She's just latching on to somebody to love her. And a lot of times, if you have that happen to you as a child like that, you're either going to get the same thing as your dad or you're going to get somebody completely meek that you can control. And she starts out, I believe, with the like my dad type. And we'll figure out what she finds later on. She sits down in a bar and she tells him, I just got out of nut farm and he's like here's an easy one to bang that's perfect she's gonna find the abusers now and then later on she is going to find people that she can control a little bit and we'll talk about that uh she gets married again to a guy named ronnie jenkins

our jennings yeah she's with him that doesn't last long and there's no real we don't know if she was officially married to him or not. But there's different accounts of marriage and not marriage. But I couldn't find legal documents on this one. Anything on record. 1985 she has another relationship with a guy named Sam Billiams.

So you know she's just kind of bouncing around. She's 26 at this point. She's just looking for. She's seeing what it's like out there. You're out there. You gotta do it. She's just looking for, you know. She's seeing what it's like out there. Yeah, you're out there. Living her life. You've got to do it. Yeah, you're living your life, finding people, hoping to find someone to be with. Yeah, as somebody that's been manipulated, she's looking for a semblance of normalcy, and then she's realizing after being in these manipulative relationships, she doesn't like

being manipulated. She wants to be the one manipulating. That's what it is here. She's like, I'm going to show these people. She wants to be the one manipulating. That's what it is here. She's like, I'm going to show these people. The Ronnie Jennings fellow, too, that she had a little deal with here, he put it in his words here.

He said, quote, she's just plain crazy, to put it bluntly. Sheila didn't care about anyone. She just wanted everything her way. So he said that she often turned violent with her mood swings, and that is going to keep coming in, keep coming in. Hey, fellas, she was in a nut farm. I mean, what do you expect? What do you expect? Men are so stupid. We're like, yeah, we like that.

We like a little crazy. I like crazy. No, you don't want crazy. You don't. But I've heard you say that before. I like a little crazy. No. Not that crazy.

Not this crazy. I like crazy, but not that fucking crazy. Men stop tearing their own hair out while she watches daytime TV. That's lunacy. This isn't like romantic comedy. She's got a little bit of a quirk to her. She'll dance on a table and sing along to Phil Collins. This is some weird shit she's got going on here.

I kind of like a little bit of crazy like in Wedding Crashers, the one that's jerking off Vince Vaughn under the table. That's fun crazy. That's fun. This crazy is like punching herself in the face crazy. Well, this is Ronnie Jennings would lay awake all night afraid that she would kill him with scissors or a knife. So that's this kind of crazy.

Her mom, his mother, Catherine Jennings said, quote, she was very, very, very smart, but she was very, very, very mean also. Yeah, that sounds about right. That's a lot of varies. So what she does here is LeBar, she finds a personal ad. She's always looking for personal ads and chat lines we're going to get into. She's looking for, as people do, and in the 80s there wasn't really, you couldn't go on Tinder or Match.com or anything. It was either go to the bar or answer a personal ad.

Those were your options. She finds a personal ad from Wilford J. Labar. Bill, he goes by. He is a well-known and he's a chiropractor. And he's like, the town knows him very well. He made a lot of money. He has a nice big house. He's a Wilford, for God's sake. He's got money. He's moving pieces of your spine around. He better have goddamn money. This is in 1987. He does well. He's got a little money. He's moving pieces of your spine around. He better have goddamn money.

This is in 1987 she finds this. He's recently widowed too. Recently widowed, has a bunch of money, much, much older than her. Yeah. And yeah, she said, this sounds like a good deal. How much older? I believe he is a good 30 years older than her. Wow.

I'm sorry, 25 years older than her, if I'm not mistaken. All right. Which is a good amount. So she comes up there, and she basically, you know, they have younger woman comes up and everybody later on, they always describe her as sexy. And she's like, she's like crazy and sexy, like guys like, you know what I mean? That's the thing. That's what this guy's looking for.

That's what he's looking for. He's looking. 25 years older. His wife just died. I want somebody that fucks like mad. Yeah. He's going to be expecting some wild shit here. Absolutely.

Shit that him and his wife probably didn't do, I would imagine. Pinky in the ass or some shit. Yeah, especially while she was old and sick when she died. So it didn't actually happen. And it's not like they got a divorce and she's going to come around and he's not spitefully banging this chick. He's just like, listen, that one's over. I'm going to do something entirely different, so much different that I'm going to get something crazy.

Well, what she does, they have a little romance. And what she does is she just inserts himself into her, into his life. Yeah. She just, she puts himself. Herself. What are you doing? She puts herself into his life. Yeah.

She puts, she lives in an apartment above his office. Yeah. Then she moves into the farm and off the farm that he has. He has a big giant farm worth a million dollars. It's a nice farm. She just basically takes over his office as like the office manager. She takes over his house. She does all this type of shit.

Her kids are pissed. His kids are pissed. Laura Malisi is his one kid. We're going to hear about her a lot. And she said she didn't trust this woman right away and didn't like her. Also, she's trying to take my inheritance, I think, is another thing here. So she lived in the farm for a while. They don't get married, but she takes his last name. I don't understand why. I feel like that might have been, I don't know, to get more, I don't even know. I can't imagine for the town to respect her more because she's married to the

guy. I can't even think of a logical reason of doing that other than like proving to him that she loves him so much i guess i'll take your last name even if you don't propose like yeah that's like really really inserting yourself though it's and she just keeps it there too because i mean forever well she's there for years yeah she's there for years she's there from 87 now we go up to i'm gonna talk right now about 1995 jesus she's still around years she She's there for years. She's there from 87. Now we go up to, I'm going to talk right now about 1995. Jesus. She's still around. She's still controlling shit in his life.

She lives above his office. And she, like I said, she's controlling his business. She has a lot of control over shit. She hates that daughter so much. Oh, you know she hates that daughter. Those two, nice to see you. Yeah, they're real. She's like carving a turkey at Christmas.

Oh, I was going to say, Christmas is so uncomfortable. And she's like, how's my dad? And she's like making motions of blowing him behind his back he loves that he loves it he takes out his checkbook every time i unzip his pants let me tell you something right now and rubbing it right in her face yeah here's something you can't do to get more inheritance i'm gonna blow your dad have that can you do that I didn't think so. So 1995, she finds somebody else to marry. She keeps, Labar is her name, and she still hangs around

the farm a lot and still controls his office and all that sort of thing. She's still keeping her, she thinks, I am going to get that inheritance someday. I might have to marry people from Jamaica, which is what she does here. She marries a Jamaican native named Wayne Ennis in 1995.

Okay. Big shocker. Not a real happy, blissful relationship. There's complaints filed in court. She claims that he tried to force her car off the road and then punched Sheila in the head and kicked her is what she claims. But I'm not sure I believe this. Normally, you say domestic violence

and I'm going, well, shit, I'm all ears. You know what I mean? I want people... What'd he do to her? Yeah, what happened? What'd he do to her? But here, I'm going to have to side with Ennis on this one here. Right out of the gate, he wasn't in a mental institution. She was. That kind of alludes

to she's probably the instigator of this shit. And she got him for a specific reason and let's find out what I believe this reason might be. Apparently there was a they were both living on the farm too. This is her and her and her Jamaican husband are living on his on his farm which is super weird.

She's got the dude's last name. She's got the dude's last name while she's married to this guy and living at his house. It's super strange. Oh, Christ. One night in 1996, Sheila asks Wayne Ennis if they can go for a drive around the back roads and just clear my head here. A little country night. Yeah, it's a nice little drive. And he's thinking, hey, this is good.

Maybe I'll get blown into the moonlight. You know what I mean? This is going to be great here. Some roadhead with the sunroof open. Oh, man, the stars. Imagine the stars up there. a foreign country. Beautiful, beautiful times. She instead, instead of any of that, Sheila

told Ennis that she wished a horse would kick Wilfred LeBar in the head and kill him. And she thought of strangling him, but she said instead, I'd like you to kill him please, Wayne. She asked Wayne to do it. You know, I'd like you to you to kill him please wayne she asked what she asked wayne to do it so you know i'd like to do it myself but you know how things are it looks bad with me

i'd like to get triggered to do it while he's changing her shoes or you can just do it you know maybe you just walk up behind him yeah or you know and we live in new hampshire and there's tons of black people up here as we've made mention of so you won't stick out like a sore thumb and get arrested right away or anything it'll be fine jesus christ this lady's a fucking and uh this poor guy's a nice guy yeah he said quote i did not want to say no and have her turn on me yeah when she is like that i don't trust her i hesitate it just can't come out i can't do that i'm not a murderer and dr laber is like a father to me you mean he had a he loved the guy he had a hard time telling a crazy bitch no well he it's just proposition to murder. You mean he had a... He loved the guy. He had a hard time telling a crazy bitch no.

Well, he... It's so funny. He's afraid of her. She just propositioned him to murder somebody. Now, if he says no, now she's going to go find somebody to kill him

because he knows. Well, that's what he said. That's what he said. I don't trust her. No. He said, I don't want to have her turn on me.

That's the thing. It's like, at least if I'm on the inside, she's not trying to kill me. But... And he's such a nice guy. He said, I'm not a murderer

and Dr. LeBair's like a father to me. Like, I don't kill anyone, especially not a guy like, you know what I mean? We live in his fucking house. What are you doing? What are we talking about here? So she files for divorce from Ennis at that point. On grounds of, he won't help me murder.

Yeah, well, the way she put it was that he's an abuser and all of that. She got a restraining order on him. Wow. Yeah, he denies all of this he said that uh she hit him she shoved him she fired guns at him she fired guns at him and other people she would not let she would uh refuse to let him use the telephone she burned his clothes and she would make him sleep outside sometimes during the winter just to do it and then she's like oh you'll put with all that, but you won't kill a guy who's nice to you? And then we live here? Fuck you.

You're out. I'm going to file charges against you. She's just like that typical woman that'll just burn your shit. Well, not a typical woman. She's like a typical real woman. She's like a typical woman from a song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From like a 90s.

Like a stereotypical scorned woman. Like a Blink-182 woman. Like an offspring song or something. Like a Blink-182 song. That's what it is. You asked me to kill a doctor. Whatever bullshit we know, they all sound the same. Something poppy and upbeat talking about killing doctors. And Travis Parker back there on drums.

Wayne said, quote, she had a handgun with her all the time. She points the gun at me and shoots over my head and told me she's going to send me back to Jamaica in a box. Why doesn't he carry a gun? Sweet Pete. That's fucking. This poor guy, too. He said, quote, I was ashamed to let anyone know I was living like this in America. Because that's why he picked.

That's why she picked him. Because he wouldn't do that. Now she knows. In the beginning, she was picking people who wouldn't put up with her shit. She's like, I need weaker people. I need people that will put up with my shit and let me fire guns over their goddamn head. He said, quote, she would rip her clothes off and strike

herself and then she would smile at me and call the police. She said the court is not going to believe, and don't get fucking mad at me, there's a goddamn quote. She said the court is not going to believe a black negro over a white american woman that's what he said you redundant bitch fucking yeah that was really unnecessary but i think she wanted to stick one word you dumb bitch she wanted to stick that in

there say something she said it long too she said negro i feel like like that like a real asshole you know what i mean totally uh he said that the real he said that uh they that the real reason they got divorced is because he caught her with another guy. All of that doesn't cause it, but he's like, now you can't cheat on me, too, on top of this shit. I picture her not stopping either in the middle. When he walks in and sees her riding some other dude, he's like, what are you doing? And she's like, I'm almost done. She just keeps going. But this is how nice Wilfred LeBair is.

He says, Dr. LeBair here says that, well, first of all, Ennis says he keeps coming back because he didn't really have anywhere to go, so he kept coming back despite all of this. One time, Dr. LeBair told Ennis here that Sheila is crazy and she's going to kill you, so Dr. LeBair gave Ennis money and took him to the bus station. Jesus.

Get the fuck out of here, dude. This is too dangerous for you. He ended up getting deported, Ennis, in 2002 for overstaying his work permit. And they're going to want to talk to him later, though. He deported him and he's back to barbecuing chicken on a fucking grocery cart. Jerk chicken. Yeah, grocery cart jerk chicken. Like we say from the Trevor Burbick episode of Crime and Sports.

You should listen to that. So gross. Shopping cart jerk chicken, baby. I'm sure it's delicious. So at this whole time now, through all of this, she's doing everything. She's living on the farm still. Okay. So, I mean, this Dr. LeBair here, he knows what he's dealing with.

Yeah. Because she has gone crazy on him. Of course. He knows she's so dangerous that he tells a man, she's going to kill you. Let me give you money and take you out of town like you're Vito Corleone and getting taken out of Sicily or something. What the fuck is going on? And he's going to bed every night going, why did I fuck her?

Why did I do that? What am I doing? That's the thing. Oh, at one point, she chases him with a gun. Jesus. She chases Dr. LeBair with a gun, too. This sounds familiar. This is what she does here.

It's fucking nuts. You could say nuts, I think, pretty easily on this one. I hate to turn to any gun talk, but this is the exact person you don't want with a fucking gun. When they're talking about common sense gun laws, this is the exact person you don't want with a fucking gun. No, you don't want her having a gun. You don't want her having a gun at all. They're talking about common sense gun laws. This is the person. How do you keep it out of her hands?

I don't know. What do you say? Look in her eyes and go, I see a lot of crazy there. You've been in a fucking mental hospital. No gun for you. Shit, for 30 days, 10 years, 20 years before that, how do you even know that? That's good enough for me. That's not on the record. How would you find it, though? I don't know. What's the problem? There's no way to keep it out of her hands.

She doesn't deserve it, though. No, she does not deserve a gun at all. She doesn't deserve a lot. But she's so crazy that at this point, like I said, she's really taking over the farm. She's taking over everything. The daughter of Dr. LaBear's daughter, Laura Malisi, went to court and got a restraining order to keep her away from the father. That was granted, but it was only for a year.

It's fucking nuts here. Now, at this point, too, in the late 90s, she's dating a guy named James Brackett, just dating a guy here. And in 1998, she's charged with second-degree assault because she stabbed him in the head with a pair of scissors. What the fuck? Stabbed him in the head with a pair of scissors. The case ended up being dropped. The police ended up saying it was just a lover's quarrel.

These things happen. You know, these things happen. If he stabbed her in the head, do you think it would have been a lover's quarrel? I've argued with a lot of women. Never once pulled out a goddamn pair of scissors. No! Good God you don't pull out scissors and stab somebody in the fucking head here. So this is just, she is

out there, I would say, the easiest way. Year 2000, Dr. LeBair dies. He dies suddenly of a heart attack, which I mean, that'll happen to an older guy, but it's still shady when she's around. Yeah, no doubt. Because there's all sorts of chemicals and shit on farms that who knows what she put in his coffee.

You know what I mean? Dude, it was heart attacks. I'm telling you, dude. Yeah, I wouldn't put anything past this woman at all when it comes to that. What happens here, strange though, is he leaves her. I don't know how she forced him into this, but he leaves her his entire estate. Everything. Everything. Oh, boy. Everything. Everything.

Oh, boy. Everything. Lord's going to have a problem with that. Oh, you bet your ass. This includes the office in Hampton, his chiropractic office, two properties in Somersworth, the Portsmouth House also, so that's how many properties, and the 115-acre horse farm in Epping, which is worth a million dollars at the time. But the chiropractic office doesn't mean shit to her. Why does she want that when she's not a goddamn chiropractor? 115-acre horse farm in Epping, which is worth a million dollars at the time. But the chiropractic office doesn't mean shit to her.

Why does she want that when she's not a goddamn chiropractor? Because she can sell it now. That's a good point. The whole estate's worth about $2 million. Jesus. So there you go. That's a lot to do there. Laura Malisi is, I don't even, apoplectic would be the best word for it.

I don't think pissed quite covers it. I think her hair had burst into flames and lasers shot from her eyes, I believe is what happened here. Upon hearing the news, for sure. Because at some point, she has to assume that dad's going to take care of her in his death. And then he dies. And all of a sudden, you don't want her to have it. No. Of anybody. Even if he gave it to charity, at least it's not a psychopath.

That happened to my family. My wife's family her grandmother died and her her her grandmother's nephew from the other side of the family found out she was in the hospital sick and he drove down and stayed with her for two weeks and had her change everything to benefit just him two million dollars that shit happens all the time bag all the time people are vile man they really are the time. It's so common. People are vile, man. They really are. Well, Laura Malisi's pissed.

She's telling everyone she knows that it was extortion and threats. And she's saying she obviously threatened my father. I would have got you health insurance with that shit. God damn it. Oh, that would have been fantastic. Just to get you a little angry, too. I fucking need some. Trust me.

You have a stake in that. I do, yeah. Come December 14th to Chicago and put some money in my pocket for a live show. Get a goddamn health insurance. Get some health insurance out of this. Maybe I'll get it for Christmas. That would be nice. That would be nice.

So at this point, she stays on the farm. It's her farm now. She's living the luxury life. Do the elves build some Blue Cross Blue Shield? That would be nice. I don't think they do. Maybe they can throw it to me from the top of a parade float. At minimum, some Obama chair.

Something, anything. Something. Take whatever. So she's hanging out here. She's doing well. Now she's got all the money, the farm, the whole deal. Now life is good here. So what does she do?

She starts getting into her passions. You know what I mean? You know, everybody has passions. You figure maybe she's going to do watercolors. Who knows? Maybe she's going to do crafting. Maybe she's going to do watercolors. Who knows? Maybe she's going to do crafting. Maybe she's going to start building things. Who knows what people's hobbies

are? Hers are harassing the police constantly. That's what she likes to do. The Epping Police Department has a record of more than 100 calls from her. 100 fucking calls from her. Are they calling to ask the time of day? No, no, no, no. Never.

They're all complaints. What? If someone calls the police station in a small town twice in a month, they're crazy. Yeah. All the cops are like, oh, that's a pain in the ass crazy bitch. This woman again. A hundred times? Holy shit.

They must have just said, just stay by her house. Yeah. She'll be calling soon. That's where the rookie goes. Yeah. Send him out there. And yeah, this will indoctrinate him quick into the force. No doubt. Because she would do everything. She would also

fax them. She'd write letters. She's faxing the police. She's faxing the police. She's writing letters. She shows up to complain. I didn't even know that was an option. Neither did I. She shows up to complain in person. Hi, guys. Just want to level a complaint. She would complain about her neighbors across the road and say

there was domestic violence going on over there. She would do about her neighbors across the road and say there was domestic violence going on over there. She would do... Oh, she's awful. Complain about other neighbors, complain about this, complain about the town. She also liked when they came to her house because she said she liked it when hunky police officers came out. Oh, boy. She thought that was pretty good. She wanted guys coming out.

Give her something to rub, too. When they'd come over, I don't think they're rubbing. They're probably just like, Jesus, you're probably just like i'm jesus she's rubbing when they leave yeah not even when when they leave she would come over and they all said she they'd find her in various stages of undress get out of here you know she would be just you know with a robe open or you know topless or whatever and then and then would also you know then give sexual innuendo. Oh, she's a problem. She's an issue. And they would be like, nope, nope, we got to go now.

And then other times she'd just be ranting and raving and acting like a lunatic. So she might have her tits out. She might throw a frying pan at you. We have no fucking idea. Go on, rookie. If she's got her tits out and a fucking pair of scissors, run. God, if you see scissors, get the shit out of there. They didn't want to deal with her. So anytime anybody said anything, they would just be like, oh, Jesus Christ.

So that's how she kind of got away with things, too, is because they didn't want to deal with her. And the James Brackett guy, in addition to stabbing him in the head around this time, she tries to run him over with her car, too. He complains about that. She also shot a gun at him. He complained about that, obviously. She is a terrible murderer, too. She is a terrible murderer. She's a terrible shot. I feel like she's trying to control them. Terrible shot, terrible driver,

terrible stabber. Well, she didn't want to. She wanted to control them more than anything here. So now she's on the farm and there is just, all the neighbors say, there is just guys in and out and in and out and in and out of there. She is pulling them in from all sides. She gets on chat lines a lot at this point. like uh you know dating chat lines yeah like the numbers

that you call yes she's doing that a lot so she's just meeting anyone she can i'm just whatever i do those if she no god you never tried fuck no can you imagine me on the fucking phone with somebody i can't actually i would fucking watch that youtube video of you dialing. Just me shaking my head and being like, what the fuck is wrong with you people? I have no patience for people at all. None. When I was single way back in the day, even to get laid, I have no patience. I'm not putting up with your bullshit so I can fuck you. It's not happening.

I don't care. I don't care. I don't need it that bad. I swear to God. That's so fucking funny, shaking your head. I could see that. That phone call would be i want to i want to make you do it jesus christ with sarah understanding that there's nothing going further than that

but i want to see you talk to some crazy bitch because they're all crazy on those phone lines i've done it when i was i don't know 21 they're all they're all lunatics they're sitting on a goddamn phone everyone of every gender is crazy on there. Those women are nuts. I'm sure the guys aren't much of a prize either. Let's not blame this on the women. No, no, no. I'm just saying I didn't talk to the guys, so I wouldn't fucking know. That's true.

But I'm just saying the chicks on there are just like, what would your father say to you? That's what you want to ask him every time. In 2004, she finds a guy at a homeless shelter to take in. That's a good place. She's going from weak to weak. Look how much she's, we'll call it escalating, but it's like de-escalating mentally. She picks weaker and weaker and weaker. An immigrant that she can get deported.

An old man, an immigrant she can get deported. Some guy she thought she could stab and run over with her car. And a bunch of other people. And now this guy is a homeless guy. The most desperate of all. The most desperate. He's there for about a year. And we'll talk about some things that happened.

He's going to think he hit the fucking jackpot when she takes the clothes off and starts banging. Oh, that's what I mean. She was taught, she was thought of as, to him, he was a younger guy, too. No, he was her age. But he thought of her as as just this sexy woman. And she would say, come stay at my house and we'll have tons of sex and I have food. On a million dollar farm? And he's homeless.

He's like, this sounds great. Holy shit. I have hit the fucking jackpot, man. I mean, I know a lot of homeless people have a lot of mental issues and they can't process. They don't know what's a good situation and what's not no as even as a guy with with a job and doing fairly well in life if a woman of her caliber is asking me to come stay at her place and just fuck all the time i'm assuming i'm about to die like i think i'm about to be murdered because that's fucking lunacy you should definitely

think that i would say you've got a million dollars at minimum at your disposal, and you want me? You're out of your fucking— For what? For real. For fucking fodder? For manure? What are you going to put me into? You want to know what my ass tastes like?

Is that what it is? Yeah, I think so. At 425 degrees? My dick is ending up in the fridge. For sure. That's all I know. It's ending up in the butter tray. Toes in a blender and everything.

Well, we'll talk about toes later, actually. Hopefully. There's some toes that we're going to bring up later. Terrific. It's horrible. And his parents were his stepfather. This is funny. His stepfather's like, I can understand why he liked her at first.

He was like, you know, she was fucking him like crazy. The mother didn't like that, though. His mother was like, I don't like this lady at all. The homeless guy's mom was like, no, no, get back out on the street. Get her back on the street. It's better. Well, apparently all they did was do shitloads of drugs and they were into like really weird sexual shit.

Nice wide shot shit. No, not like that. Like real sadistic kind of weird shit. Stuff like that. They were both into some weird shit. I don't know if he's into some weird shit, but she is. She is. And he's going to goddamn participate while you're staying in that house.

That's all he's doing. Otherwise, when it's raining and he's dry, he's like, whatever, I'll do whatever you want. She would hit him in front of people. Oh, boy. Like this Michael Deloge would hit him in front of people. The parents tried to get him out of there. It didn't work.

So what she does, because the parents, Michael Deloge's parents, are really trying to get him to leave. So what she does is she forces Michael Deloge to make a video accusing his mother of abusing him as a child. That's a good way to do it. That's how you do it. It says, he said in this video, quote, I'm starting to remember things about the past. You really messed me up. You really messed me up.

And he's forcing her to do it. Or she's forcing him to do it. And she basically at that point has to she makes him cut off all communications with her from her family. She then she gets worse after that. Obviously, at one point, a neighbor watches Deloge limping down. This is in the snow. He's limping down a dirt road with leading to her house with a blood trail behind him. He's bleeding.

His ear had been sliced half off. Holy Christ. And he passes by the neighbor and just says to him, Sheila, and keeps going. The neighbor's like, yeah, obviously. Another time, she stabbed him in the head with a pair of scissors. Fuck. I think she likes scissors this lady. That's her weapon

of choice. She digs that, man. But still, he keeps coming back. He keeps coming back. You know, the holdover, I guess, drugs, place to live. And drugs have a real, drugs and sex, for someone who's really into drugs and sex, and you're giving them both of those things and a warm place to stay, he'll take a couple stabbings. Zero means to get either of those things on their own.

Well, you could see somebody being like, well, I mean, you know, maybe I can be cool. And you try to, like, rationalize how you can make it so she won't act like that towards you. And that's what people do in abusive relationships. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the way you – I mean, granted, it's the same for either sex. Oh, absolutely. But that's how you for sure control a dude because a guy's got, like this whole prideful thing of, I've got to be a protector. I've got to make money.

I don't think this guy has that at all. But if you've got somebody that's willing to do all that shit for you, it's like, why have any drive to do anything? What's the point? Exactly. So in the fall of 2005, Michael Deloge, who's 38 at this point, disappears. Gone. No one sees him, hears from him again. Really?

Gone. Parents don't know where he is. She said, I don't know where the fuck he went. I don't know. He's homeless. He could be out there anyway. What do I know? So that's scary right there.

Took his dirty dick on down the road. That's what he did. Yeah, that's it, man. She said, go on down, because she's looking for new people. Yeah. She's looking for new people, and more people come in and out and in and out. And then she meets in February of 2006, right before Valentine's Day, she meets someone on a singles chat line again.

She meets a guy named Kenneth County. Okay. Kenneth County is young. He's 24 years old, which is much younger than her. She can control him. And also, not to mention, he has the mental capacity of a 12-year-old. What the fuck? Yeah.

He's a 12-year-old mentally. He has a form of autism. He has a form of autism. I think that's what they thought it was then. I'm not sure now whether he'd be on the spectrum or not, but he had basically like a 12-year-old mentality, and so very easily manipulated. Sure. Very

easily manipulated by her, and god damn it, I'll tell you what, she manipulates the shit out of him. Right. They meet on Valentine's Day 2006. Yep. They have sex in a car. Ah. So that's romantic. It's a fucking great first date. Oh, you know it, man. And right after that, right into the

farmhouse he moves. Old Kenneth County right in there. He never even went back to Massachusetts to get his personal shit from his parents. Really? She just said, no, no, you don't need it. I'll buy it what you need. You've got your dick. That's all I need from you. That's all you need. The mother, his mother, was super worried

because he's not mentally, you know, all the way there. Yeah. So she's worried. Her name's Carolyn you need. The mother, his mother, was super worried because he's not mentally all the way there. Yeah. So she's worried. Her name's Carolyn Lodge. Usually he used to call her every day to check in, and he would see her pretty much always every day. But now he was just gone. And so she files, Carolyn Lodge files two missing person reports about him. As your mom would.

As you would, yeah. She files it on, the first one's on February 24th, which is 10 days after they've met. They're already doing that. So they end up, the family ends up, they're calling, they're filing missing person reports.

10 days after he left the house. Epping police because he just disappeared, which isn't illegal for an adult, but when he says he's got diminished mental capacity and things like that, it's like, okay, let's start talking about this. Especially when she tells the Epping police who he's with. They're like, oh, Jesus.

Oh, fuck. Oh, boy. This poor guy here. They said that she... You think that they were like... Oh, boy. Here we go. Brace yourself, mom, because this dick has probably already been fucked off.

That's been fucked off. But the good news is he's probably stabbed in the head with scissors. So there's that. He's got a permanent smile that's got a knife carved in it. Yeah. And cut in it. That's crazy talk. So police.

They have to have warned her, right? Who knows? As a cop? I don't know if they could or not. I don't know if they. Honestly, I don't know if they'd want to get involved. Because, I mean, they don't know the situation. The cops don't want to get involved.

No, they want away from her. They don't want to deal with her. That's the thing. Isn't their responsibility to warn the mom that their son that has diminished mental capacity is now involved with somebody that faxes them shit? Well, he's 24, bottom line, and there's no way to control an adult doing what they do here. So they send out Sergeant Sean Gallagher here. He's dealt with her over two dozen times, he said. So he's like,

I'll fucking do it. I'll just go and see what the hell this crazy fucking lady has over here. So they go. He's listed as a missing person county. So they show up at one o'clock in the afternoon. It's Gallagher and Detective Richard Cote. They go to Check on county. There's a gate in front of her house. It's locked and it blocks blocked, you know, that property from the road. They see, you know, they look on,

they see all the shit that's on there. There's also a fence with barbed wire, the whole deal. So they they they park their cruiser outside of the gate and they climb through the gates rungs to get in there because they're investigating a missing person. So, I mean, they're going to go see if he's there. They're breaking into Shawshank. Yeah. They go up to the door and they see Sheil in there and they talk to her through the window. The Gallagher says, hey, is Kenneth County in there?

And she says, no. And so the Gallagher says, well, there's a report, a missing persons report, and we need to know if he's here or not. So is he there? And she goes, OK, yeah, he's here. Like right away, I'm like, OK, she's fucking nuts. So Gallagher says, well, can we see him and check on him maybe? Like how many – let's just go through every step of this here. She said, no, don't think so.

She said, no, he's naked in the bathtub. You can't see that. And then she just left and walked away. Wow. And they're like, OK. Are they supposed to accept that? I mean, I guess they can. No, they're there.

They have to check on him and make sure he's okay. They have to make contact. They have to find out if he's there. So they're trying to find out. She said, yeah, he's in the bathtub. He could be dismembered in there for all day now, especially with this fucking lady. Scissors sticking out of his forehead. That's not lying if all those parts are in the tub.

Yeah, he is naked and in the tub. I did not say he was breathing. Yeah, that's not part of it. That's not what you asked. I didn't say all the blood was in his body that he originally had to start with. That's not what I said here. So anyway, after a minute, she changes her mind and just brings him out. And I think she figured they're not going away until they see him.

It's kind of their job. This is a problem now. So she says, here he is. The officer said that he looked fine. Yeah. And he said that he was there of his own free will. So they left. He's an adult.

What the hell are they going to do? They can't keep a fucking guy. They can't do anything. So a couple of days later, she lets a couple of days go by, then says, you know what? Fuck them. I'm pissed. So what she does is she starts making phone calls to the Gallagher, to Officer Gallagher, saying that the police had no right to even come on her property. I want a report.

I want a copy of that report that says he's a missing person. I will sue anyone who steps foot on my property again. This is bullshit. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Un-fucking-believable, OK? Yeah. So they're like, oh, boy, Jesus Christ. Stay away from this crazy nut.

So they stay away. He's there. They let him do their thing. March 17, 2006, they're at Walmart, okay, Sheila and Kenneth County. And Gallagher and Cote, the two police officers, or Cote, whatever it is, they respond to a call that there's a suspicious person acting disruptively at the Walmart Supercenter in Epping, okay? They arrive. They find Sheila and Kenneth. Kenneth looks like he's just got out of a concentration camp.

Oh, boy. He's thin. He's ashen. He looks injured, and he's slumped over in a wheelchair. He's in a wheelchair now. He's in a wheelchair now. He's 24 years old. The guy's fine.

What the fuck? Now he's in a wheelchair. He's all messed up. He has cuts all over his face and his hands. One of his hands looks broken. It's swollen, and he can't do anything. Yeah, Sheila tells Officer Gallagher that he got in a car accident. So, you know, he's fine, though.

Yeah. A car accident makes you lose tons of weight. I don't know if you know that. Tons of weight. You look ashen. And she also, this is the store employee's call because of his condition, obviously, and also because she was buying a bunch of big yellow diesel fuel tanks. What?

That's what she's buying. That's her purchase. And they're sitting on top of him in the wheelchair. So you don't even see him. You just see fuel tanks. She uses them as a grocery cart. Yeah, I saw a picture of it. It's insane.

She gets super pissed. They're like, you know, he says he was in an accident. She said she was in an accident. The officers, so they can't take him in custody or anything. I mean, people get in car accidents all the time. So as they're walking out, like the cops, they watch her and they said she has to help him get out of the wheelchair because it was a Walmart wheelchair. And he had to like lean on a shopping cart and she had to help him into the truck. He can't even walk.

Like he is a disaster. Yeah. Yeah. And that's from a car accident she's claiming, that his behavior and his condition are because he got in a car accident. He got in a car accident. So rather than her lay low, she waits a couple days and then calls Gallagher, the police officer, and says, how fucking dare you characterize me as a suspicious person? I don't like that. I thought about it for a few days

and how fucking dare you say i'm suspicious so what i got a half dead guy 20 years younger than me with fucking swollen parts and asher in a wheelchair with diesel fuel things on him no problem that's fine sure he was fine last week and his parents are worried about him but how fucking dare you say that's suspicious what's suspicious about that this is ridiculous it's it's crazy man she also tells gallagher at this point he left anyway he's gone now What's suspicious about that? This is ridiculous. It's crazy, man. She also tells Gallagher at this point, he left anyway. He's gone now. He's not at my house anymore.

Okay. Okay. So the next day. Stop bothering me. Stop bothering me. He's gone. It's over. It's done.

Right. So the next day, county's mother, again, calls the police again. And she said that, you know, what's going on? I can't find him. County hasn't gotten a hold of me. Right. Where the fuck is, where is he basically? She says he's gone, but he hasn't got a hold of me? I can't find him. A county hasn't gotten a hold of me. Right. Where the fuck is, where is he, basically? She says he's gone, but he hasn't got a hold of me, and I can't find him.

So help me out here. Sure. So they said, okay. He couldn't do it on his own. She said he has mental deficiencies, and he needs help, basically. And you saw him two weeks ago. The dude couldn't even walk. Yeah.

There's a problem somewhere. So at this point, she waits until 1 a.m. on March 24th, which is a couple days later, 2006, and Sheila calls Gallagher again. She called in the middle of the night. She's calling the cops. She's calling the police. Yeah, he said, this is a Gallagher said quote, she said that she wanted us to know that Kenny left and that he was a pedophile and she was going to play a tape for

me that would prove he was a pedophile. I told her to play the tape at 1 a.m. over the phone. At 1 a.m. she's like, I got a tape that's going to prove some shit. So she plays the tape over the phone. On the tape it's her saying she's a justice of the peace which is insane in

New Hampshire and questioning County about raping children and just being like, you raped them, didn't you? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And County is just replying yes to everything in a real meek voice. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like she told him, you're going to fucking say yes to every fucking thing I say. Or I'm going to break your other leg and you're going to need worse than a wheelchair. So he – obviously the detective is like, this seems a little shady.

Seems a smidge coerced. At the end of the tape, he can hear a heaving sound and you hear Sheila yelling at County to stop faking that he was throwing up. And she said on the tape, Kenneth County is now faking that he's throwing up. Kenneth County. Then she faints. Yeah. And she says, Kenneth County is now faking that he fainted.

Did you watch this? No, no, no. Oh, God. I couldn't watch that. No, it's an audio tape. Okay, God. Oh, my God. What?

It's crazy. Yeah. So at the end of the tape, she's saying what he's saying. Why? Why? Why? He's crying. It's it's a mess. What the shit? She's yelling and screaming and the whole thing. It's fucking what a scene.

So they end up going to her house again. They're like, we got to fucking find her. Find this guy here. So they end up going. There's no lights on in the house. There's no all of her cars are parked there. They can see from the outside of the gate. Gallagher sees a burnt mattress in the front yard, which is a weird sign.

I don't have any burnt mattresses. How many mattresses in your yard? It's also a bad sign. I've never once burned a mattress. Never. Not in my yard, especially. I did once when we were a kid, blow up a waterbed mattress in the backyard and bounce on it. That was a blast.

That sounds good. You could sit on one side of it and then bounce on it from the other side. Yeah. Like those fucking bladders that they put on the lake. No, that sounds like fun. Only there's no water and you get hurt in the backyard. Yeah, you're obviously going to get impaled with a rock or whatever else is on the ground. That's great.

So these cops, they obviously go through the rungs of the gate again. And they go in here and they pass the burnt mattress. And there's another burn pile there. They use their flashlights and they see what appears to be a knife handle and a melted blade, tree limb clippers, a partially burnt chair, and a piece of a bone. The bone was approximately three and a half

inches long with a large piece of fleshy material attached to it, according to the court documents. The officers, they go up to the door, they knock, they knock, they identify themselves, no one answers. They go back to the car, but they sit there. They're concerned that the bone of the bone. That's the main thing.

Like the mattress would be one thing, but the bone is really suspicious. It's really just weighing on my mind. We really want to find out that that's not Kenneth County. Let's just do that. So they stay there. They call the assistant county attorney and they said they have enough evidence to do a well check a well-being check on county they call for assistance they do that more officers come they take

their rifles and shit and they're you know they walk up to the door here they're just in case I don't know what the hell they're walking into with this woman so they knock on the door they bang on the sides and the windows I mean they're doing a we need to get the fuck in here they end up going back to the door and Gallagher kicks it open because now

there's a bone and a missing person and a crazy lady who stabbed people with scissors and shit. We need to know what the fuck's going on. And the county attorney said, do a well-being check, which means you can kick the goddamn door and find out if somebody's okay. They do that with old people all the time. I can't get a hold of my mom. The cops go over and kick the door and they're dead for four days.

The bone is a big deal. That's what made them go call him. Otherwise it would have been like, I don't know, he's not here. But the bone, a little bit weird here. So they kick it open. They go in. They hear a commotion. And then they see Sheila walking from the front gate toward them. Now she's there.

She said that Kenneth was not here. They said, cops said, can we look inside? She invited them in. She gave them a room-by-room tour of the house. She seemed happy to give the tour, like's having company over like we just redecorated come in here look at the wallpaper fucking ridiculous uh they found a pair of sneakers that belong that she said belonged to county in the basement uh she asked uh she told the officers they were not allowed to take them though they have to stay here uh after the whole tour they

all walk outside and uh so this is at this point're like, let me ask you one thing here. We get that nice tour, good house, like the wallpaper. It's very nice. You did it very well. They're even. It's hard to do. There's no bubbles or anything. But what about this bone we found out here?

That's going to be an issue. What do you say about that? The whole reason we're here. She said it is from a rabbit and explained that she cremates her rabbits usually. And he said, you know, I cremate them all the time I burn them in a pile on a mattress don't you burn your rabbits on a mattress that's what I do the officer said it's a little too big to

come from a rabbit it's three and a half inches and she got super pissed off and like just like you know like Jesus Christ she said well it's either from a rabbit or a pedophile I don't know that's her answer which I don't? I don't know. That's her answer, which I don't think that's normal. So the cop says, why did you just say it could be from a pedophile?

And she said, I didn't say that. They were all like, we're all standing right fucking here. You just say that. You just said that. So they said, well, can we take the bone to find out which it is? And they said, no. Get off my property. Move.

Get off my property. So they had to leave. Really? They can't even take it? I say somebody should have knocked her with a nightstick and dragged her to the car and went, take this fucking bone. She's crazy. We got some talking to do, lady. She won't remember any of this anyway.

So they leave. They go to get a search warrant, obviously, here. They go to get a search warrant to get the exterior. They go to get a search warrant to get the exterior. They come back, and Sheila's in her kitchen covered in ash and soot and holding a handgun when they get there, which is a scary sight. She looks like a coal miner with a handgun in her hands, like, holy shit, what the fuck? She told Lieutenant Michael Wallace that she'd burned a pedophile. That's what she said.

They were like, pardon? And there was also Police Chief George Dodges there, And she's like, well, yeah, I've been burning a pedophile. Obviously, I'm covered in soot. Jesus, you'd be too. You know what I mean? So there was clearly pieces of him left after she. She also said at that point, she told Kenneth County, he's in a bag out there. That's where he is. He's in a bag and they look in the bag and there's human bones in the fucking bag.

So like, holy shit, Jesus Christ. What the fuck? Jackpot. God damn it. So they said, could you possibly come down to the station and answer some questions? Yeah. You know what I mean? She does.

She's not under arrest yet. She just said she burned him. She didn't say she killed him. So they're like, we have to- She's not a murderer. She's just disposing of a body improperly at this point. She's just bad at that. Right.

She turns over a loaded pistol that she had in her waistband to them. Here, guys, hold this. Hold that, because she figured that was probably a thing here. One of the police officers said, do you have any more weapons? And she flashes her tits. Oh, boy. That's a weapon. These are super.

And she said, all righty then. These are dangerous. Never mind. Yeah, I'm going to end up on a pile here. At this point, they have an interview with her. She gives them a suicide note that she wrote before they came. This claims that County was a pedophile, Kenneth County. She said that Kenny threatened to kill himself

and then he left the farm. She says, so that's all she said. She's like, he's a pedophile and drug user, threatened to kill himself and he left the farm. Doesn't say anything about burning him or killing him now. Now she's like, I didn't say that.

She's not arrested at that point. They have to let her go. She says, if I'm not under arrest, I'm leaving now. So she leaves. So now they come back with more search warrants the next day. They take tons and tons of cops. They collect everything.

They get Michael Deloge's clothing. They get blood on a knife blade. They get blood spattered in the kitchen, in the living room, dining room, two bathrooms, a bathtub, human bones, human teeth. Jesus. It's a fucking horror story. What the hell? It's a horror story. It's like John Wayne Gacy's teeth. Jesus. It's a fucking horror story. What the hell? It's a horror story. It's like John Wayne Gacy's house over here.

It's fucking batshit. Police also find evidence of older burn pits that have layers of dust in it. They're wondering how many people has she killed in here and burned. They have no idea. It's just dust at this point. So then she's interviewed again by the police because they're like, okay, let's talk about this here. She said that she arrived home, found the police there. So she said it's you know, it is what it is.

It's not nothing happened. I didn't kill him. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. So now they're like trying to figure out what the fuck's up with this lady. They start talking to her neighbors to see if they've seen anything. One of her neighbors said this, this, this, this kind of lays it out to one of her neighbors said, quote, she talks so quickly I thought she was on speed

and bounced so erratically in her conversation trying to communicate 12 or 14 stories at once. She stayed for two hours bouncing from one story to the other. Oh, that would be a fun visit. That's what she's like here. Oh, boy. So now the police are looking for her. Now they can't find her.

They go to talk to her again. She's fucking gone. She's disappeared. She's disappeared. Finally, on March 31st, they issue a warrant for her arrest. I don't know what the hell took that goddamn long. No doubt. It turns out we find out later that she hitchhiked out of town. April 1st is a nationwide manhunt. They're looking everywhere for her. The police chief said, quote, it's the information that has been uncovered by these

various agencies that led us to seek an arrest warrant, obviously, about all the different police forces. They said she could literally be anywhere. We are taking all measures to locate her nationwide. Wow. Dr. LaBear's daughter, Laura, she gets interviewed if they're saying, do you think she's capable of violence? They're just trying to talk to everyone around her and get something. I want to hang out with Laura.

She sounds like a party. She sounds great. She said, quote, she has made threats at gunpoint. I feel very badly for the county family because I fear Kenneth is not coming back. Well, no fucking shit. He's not coming back. And also, she had talked to Malisi. Laura Malisi had talked to her ex-husband, Wayne Innes, because he loved the father.

And Malisi said, quote, Wayne told us that Sheila asked him two times to kill my father so they could have the farm in practice. Wayne, who was the nicest guy, said he liked my father and would not do that. Good for him. He's a decent guy, Wayne. He's like, man, I'm just trying to get along, man. I want to get away from this woman. She's beating me for Pete's sake. I want out.

Yeah. Then Malisi goes on to talk about how she coerced, Sheila coerced her father to put her name on everything. Malisi said, quote, I believe she came up here to reach that goal. She knew he was a doctor that had money and property. She knew he recently lost his wife and that he needed help at the office. Well, fucking mission accomplished. Yeah, Malisi says, quote, when I talked to her the first time on the phone, I said,

Dad, you don't want her in your life. She's bad news. This girl knew immediately. Fucking understatement of the century, too. There was beef with the whole family. Apparently her cousin Ed was also a chiropractor and was one of his business partners, one of Dr. LeBair's business partners. He used to live in the apartment under the office. But she wanted that as her own little kind of fuck den.

So she tossed him out? Which she did. She tried to raise the rent because he wasn't paying much rent because he was part of the practice. And she said, you're going to pay more. And he said, I'm not going to pay more. What the fuck no. So she said he had a Doberman this Ed and she said I tell

you what the rent's going to go up to $700 or I'm going to kill your fucking dog. How's that? He said no. Three days later dog dropped dead. She is straight gangster man. Three days later dog's dead. Just dead. Dead dog not sick just dropped dead out of nowhere. Perfectly healthy dog and now it's dead. Yeah.

So she says also, Malisi, quote, before he died, my father called me and we made plans to go riding. He took me into the living room to show me where he had hidden money for my brother and I, and she had control of all his accounts. He probably thought the money was safe on the farm, which it was not because it was not there. Laura Malisi even says that Sheila, quote, she stiffed me for the catering bill and the musician for the funeral too. Wow. Took everything and also made him pay for the funeral. Absolutely

not a good person here. A musician at a funeral. A musician at the funeral. Well, yeah, they have like a harp player or, you know, they play amazing. Rich people do different shit at funerals, Jimmy. That's fucking awesome. I'm not going to do with that. I'm not wealthy enough to have any sort of musician at my funeral. I don't know that I want to be that wealthy if that's got to be a thought and an argument

and a talk. I don't want to. You can put it in your will, what you want. It's here right now. No, don't do it. April 2nd, she's found in Revere, Massachusetts. They find her. She had her hair cut and dyed red using a different name.

The Joker. The whole deal, yeah. Absolutely. She is found outside of a Taco Bell in Revere, which is where you find all the major criminals. You know what I mean? That's where John Gotti was taken down, outside of a Taco Bell in Revere, I believe, right? Just picking up a

bean burrito. That's where they got Dahmer, I think. It was not in his apartment. It was outside of a Taco Bell in Revere, Massachusetts. Although Gacy may have been at a KFC. That's possible. He ran one, didn't he? Yes, he did.

Yes. Several. I think he owned. She gave him a fake name initially, but they were like, no, no, no. We know who your crazy ass is. Come with us here. She had scissors down, lady. Yeah. Put him down.

She had a large amount of cash and marijuana on her. She's like, I know what I need. Weed and cash. I'll bring that shit with me. She sounds like a good trip, though. That's not a bad trip. Not a bad trip. She's just fucking and getting free rides and then smoking weed and spending cash at

Taco Bell. That sounds great. Not bad at all. So she said they sit her down and she tells another version of what happened to Kenneth County. She said that she'd renamed him. Oh, boy. He was no longer Kenneth County. His name was she'd renamed him. Oh, boy. He was no longer Kenneth County.

His name was Adam Olympian LeBair. What? Which is insane. And then she said she'd cut off the relationship when she found out she was a pedophile because she hates pedophiles. That is number one. She said she didn't kill him, though.

She said, quote, nothing bad happened. I fell asleep. I woke up and he was gone. Oh, that's it. Whatever. During this interview, she'll change the subject. She'll talk about him being a pedophile. She'll talk about her family. She'll start talking about the neighbors and their domestic

violence again. She's like, what in the fuck? She said she disappeared. But you guys know those people across the street fight. Oh, I hear all sorts of you should hear them argue. He is not polite to her. I'll tell you my rabbits. I got tons of them. She said she burned the mattress because, quote, she'd slept on it with a pedophile.

So who wouldn't burn it? You know what I mean? She said maybe at that point while it was burning, Kenny possibly might have fell into the fire. She's not sure, though. She said, I never harmed him. I don't know anything about it. He might have fell in the fire. And then she also said, but I don't feel bad he's gone.

No, no, no. I don't feel bad about his disappearance. He's a pedophile. So what they do is they charge her with first-degree murder of Kenneth County, and she's denied bail. She has no explanation of how teeth and bones are all over the fucking place. Well, she kind of said maybe he fell in the fire. And then also Michael Deloge, she said, I might have burned him, too.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not positive. They fell in a fire and spontaneously combusted and exploded everywhere. She had eight different versions and bones and burned shit. So they said, tell you what, let's charge you with two murders and we'll fucking sort this out later. What do you say here?

We'll let a judge decide. Yeah, let's do that here. So pre-trial, they obviously try to suppress the evidence seized, which doesn't work at all. The whole deal. She's full of shit and she's really trying to bring it home hard here. She enters a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity and files a notice of the insanity defense.

At the same time, she waives indictment here for a plea. She pleads not guilty by reason of insanity to the murder of Michael Deloge as well. She's like, I am crazy. I don't know if you folks have been around me for five minutes, but I am crazier than a shithouse rat. Let's do this. So she's sitting here. It's May 13, 2008.

The trial goes on. She has her attorney, this poor bastard, Jeffrey Denner is his name. He had to just be like, I don't even know what to do with her. What do I do with her? You know she's not helpful either. She's probably flashing her tits. And he's like, I need statements. Do you have anything that can help me?

Your tits aren't helping, OK? They're not. I do have a statement. Look at these. Touch them. Feel them. Weapons. Grab a hold.

He also has psychiatric reports here this whole time here. She is saying all these. She has several psychiatrists that are like, oh, she is crazy and shit. She's a psycho. She's nuts. She told them that they were pedophiles and then she'd been a victim of incest and she wanted to rid the world of pedophiles. The jury hears hundreds of recordings. I've been a victim of incest, and she wanted to rid the world of pedophiles. The jury hears hundreds of recordings.

I've been a victim of incense, though. Of incense? Yeah, when somebody just burns one, and you walk in the room, and you're just like, what the fuck is that? What is that? Goddamn honeysuckle? That sounds like shit. You're putting smoke in the air and trying to make it. That's supposed to smoke.

Do you really? Oh, it's vile. I like it. It depends on the flavor, though. I like the fruity flavor. I dig it. You're burning. You're putting smoke in the Oh, it's vile. I like it. It depends on the flavor, though. I like the fruity flavor. I dig it. You're burning. You're putting smoke in the air.

That's not good. I like that. I like smoke. That's not good at all. I like it. I like it, Jimmy. Damn it. I like it.

What are you doing? What are you doing for smell, huh? You got clayed plug-ins over there? No, I've got... Is that what you're doing, Jimmy? Clayed plug-ins like a woman? I got candles, man. Candles?

I have candles, too. So many candles. What do you think they're putting in the air? It's not smoke. Something. I got wax burners. You blow it out and there's smoke. You blow it out and there's smoke.

But you judge my incense. Oh, it does. It smells like burned wax. It smells like wax lips that were on fire at that point. I like those fucking, those jars that have a light in them and then they have just wax on top and the wax melts down. Okay, this is way too, this is not a conversation we should be having anymore.

I'm starting to really doubt my own sexuality at this point, which is fine. But I mean, whatever. Par for the course, I guess. I don't really care. I hate incense. I don't care. If you're going to burn them, at least brace me. If I'm fucking gay, I'm gay.

It's fine. I don't care. I don't give a shit. If you're burning incense. I'm just saying if you got incense, just brace me. That's going to be burning. Rather than that, let's talk about dead people rather than oils that smell nice. Although I do like oils that smell nice.

So the defense psychiatrists say that she was abused, obviously. She projected her experience onto other victims. That, you know, she is convinced in her mind that they're pedophiles and that she was actually justice. There was actually justice being served, which I don't understand that. Bizarre. Also an odd thing. She was a notary public, you know, like a stamp that's a notary. I figure that was for the office because she worked in the chiropractic office.

We'd have to notarize things. She thought, and she's told the police this, that she had some kind of special authority to kill pedophiles based on paying $25 to get a stamp. What? That's what she said. She said, I felt like as a notary, I had the obligation to kill these guys. That's my responsibility now. Batman's a notary.

What the fuck? She sent $25 to a state office to get a stamp and a little notebook, and that gives her authority. Yeah, go. Wow. Go kill everybody that touches kids because you can do this. Her psychiatrist here, Malcolm, forensic psychiatrist, I'm sorry, or psychologist, Malcolm Rogers, says that she either has a schizophrenic affect disorder or a delusional disorder that caused her to mistakenly believe

that all of these men are pedophiles and believe them. Those aren't mutually exclusive, though. You can have both of those, by the way. Absolutely. But he's thinking one or the other because he's a doctor and whatnot. So he says that he also believes that she, what are you, making a fucking diagnosis from 20 years ago from a person you've never examined and never gone to medical school either. But I do know you can have both of those.

You can have a lot of things, too. You can have cancer and AIDS at the same time. If someone's got cancer and someone else has AIDS, you can have both of those. No shit, you can have both of those. Yeah, you can. But she doesn't, is what we're saying. She has one or the other. I'm not sure.

I think she's got both of those and more. And more. I think you're right. Holy shit, there's way more to this party. She's got a whole suitcase full. And more. I think you're right. Holy shit.

There's way more to this party. She's got a whole suitcase full. The psychiatrist here, his psychologist, he said he also believes that she believes that she once died and was sent back to Earth as an angel with special powers on a mission to kill pedophiles. That sounds like a movie. Why are we having a trial? That sounds like a movie right there. That is a fucking movie.

At that point, they just got to go, no need for a trial. Lock this woman up forever. Anybody out there who is a writer trying to pitch that. That's the one. Exactly what I just said. A woman dies and is sent back to Earth as an angel with special powers and a mission to kill pedophiles. That's beautiful. That's a fucking movie right there.

Everybody's on board with that. Everyone. Yeah. Oof. Everybody's on board with that. Everyone. Yeah. Oof.

She told the psychiatrist that she was driven to kill Michael Deloge because he was hurting and killing all of her rabbits. Okay. He was being mean to the rabbits. Yeah. So he said they both ran into the house and ended up in the kitchen where she grabbed a chain and began beating him. Oh, boy. She said he was still alive but bleeding from the head. She said that she told him to go to the hospital, but he said that he deserved to hurt because of how evil he was.

So he just went to the couch and just laid there for about two weeks until he died. Two weeks on the couch just dying from wounds. And she was like, that's fine. She said that Kenneth County's death was an accident. She said she woke up one morning and he wasn't in bed, so she got up to look for him. And out of nowhere, he was choking her. And she was like, what happened? So she wriggled out of his grasp. And he told her at that point that he was only there to steal her money and he wanted drugs.

And so they argued. And somehow in the bathroom, there was a struggle, and he slipped and hit his head on the tub. And that was it. Done. Well, let's see what she said. She said, quote, he just stared up at me. He didn't move. I started CPR on him. I didn't know what else to do. I was screaming his Done. Well, let's see what she said. She said, quote, he just stared up at me. He didn't move. I started CPR on him.

I didn't know what else to do. I was screaming his name. I tried everything. And in a second or two, I immediately started CPR on him. I used to be certified years ago. I did the best I could. Holy shit. So then, once she knew he was dead, she said that she should set him on fire to give him, quote, a kind of a Native American funeral.

What the fuck is that? You can't do that. She just makes up shit as she goes. She really does. And I thought Vikings burned people. I watched a movie once so that I can give proper Indian burials. Yeah. So, you know, one saying.

What the fuck is she doing? Oh, my God. It's crazy. Her stories are fucking great, though. They are. Oh, she's crazy. saying. What the fuck is she doing? Oh, my God. It's crazy. Her stories are fucking great, though. They are. Oh, she's crazy. Then they show the jury videos and tapes. They play the tapes of her, you know, of her yelling at County and did all this shit, yelling

at him. There's one tape where he's saying, she's saying, you flipped and did me wrong. You brought the police here and blah, blah, blah, and get mad at him. They show her one of her police interviews initially when they brought her to the station. And in that interview, she has a rabbit with her. And she brought a rabbit to the police station. We're going to take you down for questioning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let me get fluffy right quick. She's just petting the rabbit, petting the rabbit. At one point, the rabbit pisses all over her. And she just grabs a paper towel and wipes it off and keeps petting the rabbit. She doesn't even be like, oh, shit, my bad. I got to go wash this off. Covered in rabbit piss. Yuck.

No problem. Wow. This is fucking crazy, man. They bring her sister on the stand. Her sister tells horror stories of her being in her childhood, alcoholic, abusive father. They talk about her suicide attempts. They talk about all this crazy shit that she did. It's mainly just this is building up know, this is building up her case.

Sure. Her sister is like, you have no idea. She said that the sister said that one time as a kid, not only did the father's friend molest her, the father molested her. She said one time there was a man's face in the bedroom window in their room as a child. And then she became super nervous after that and was always locking windows and doors and became super paranoid and that sort of thing. And so she's saying all of this. They're building a case, basically. During all this, she's – LaBear Sheila is crying in the court, acting like, you know, wailing and crying.

The whole thing is wild. They play the video, like I said, of the rabbit, which imagine if you're a juror and you're like, oh, my. They play surveillance video of County in the wheelchair at Walmart. And which is like, you could see this poor guy sitting there. It's so sad, man. It's so sad. In court, she'll yell out. She'll just, he was a pedophile.

And just that was that. So it's like, OK. I mean, she's also trying to, you know, say that she's crazy. So, yeah. She's pandering to that side of the courtroom trying to get attention yeah the state psychologist in the end ends up saying quote it's not that she killed them because they are pedophiles it may have given her an excuse to kill them because she's she is sadistic yeah that makes much more sense to me than the theory that she thought she

it was morally right and she had to rid pedophiles from society like let's go with the obvious here god damn it like they show a video of this psychologist interviewing her, and he, like, just tries to, you know, poke the bear. And at one point he says, like, well, maybe, well, I don't think it was Deloge, I think, hurting the animals. I think it was you hurting your rabbits. She freaked out. I didn't kill my animals! I never hurt

an animal! And she's, like, throwing shit. That's great. Like, he's like, okay. That's a good tool. Just imply that she fucked up and see how she reacts to that. That's brilliant. It. Just imply that she fucked up and see how she reacts to that. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. So finally, June 21st, 2008, the jury is out. I don't know how long it would take them to – 13 hours.

Seven seconds. Well, it's 13 hours, but I would say I don't know how long it would take me. They end up taking 13 hours of deliberations. How long does it take to walk from here to the jury room and back? That's how long it takes. How long does it take to make eye contact with the jury room and back? That's how long it takes. How long does it take to make eye contact with the juror next to you and go, the second day of trial? Like, whoa.

The fuck are we sitting in on? I know we're not supposed to discuss this, but we can roll our fucking eyes here. Wow, is she crazy. Did you guys see how she reacted to getting pissed on? Can we just not have this trial? That's enough right there. That's enough right there. So they end up finding her guilty of two counts of first-degree murder.

Luckily, as the jury read it, the family burst into applause, which is good. Different members of all different families and the town, too. Probably the cops, too. They're like, thank God we don't have to deal with her anymore. Yeah, no doubt. Holy shit. The fax machine applauded. Oh, my God.

Thank you. Thank you. Good Lord. They end up, Kenneth County's mother is there. She says, this is for my son. For two years, my son could not rest. Now he can rest. Her lawyer plans to appeal, obviously.

He said, quote, it continues to be our belief that she's deeply crazy and insane. Okay. We also understand there's a huge amount of emotion in this case that clouds the issue. That tends to happen when you kill two people and burn them. I love that a lawyer says she's deeply crazy. Deeply crazy and insane. She is fucking whacked in the head. I think he just did a little circle.

Yeah. That was one of those. She's crazy. I don't know. Holy shit, man. Fuck. So the jury sentences her to two life sentences without parole whoa sheila is getting her ass to prison god damn it county's mother said quote sheila lebert took advantage

of my son who was kind a kind caring gentle young man who could not socially defend himself she was a master of evil who evil who deliberately tortured him sheila lebert stripped my son of all his dignity and self-worth self and in the end, she murdered him. If she had been found insane, it would have just been further hearings to see when they let her out. Like Hinckley basically would do one of those. Every five years, they'd review.

And Chapman. Yeah. May 28, 2009, they auction off the farm. Really? It sells for $600,000. Whoa. At that point, that was right after the economy collapsed. Remember, the housing market fell out.

So a million-dollar home took a shoot. Got it for half, pretty much. There was a big picture of the auction, because they did it on the front lawn with a little podium and everything. A petite woman in an overcoat bought it. That's all we found out. It's a little lady with a paddle. That's it.

She bought it. I guess, who knows? So July 2012, this nice petite woman has her own little farm and on that farm they find some toes. Oh my God. On that farm

they find some toes. Dude, is that how it goes or is it E-I-E-I-O? I have no, now you confuse me. Oh, that was Bingo.

That was the song you were doing. Bingo was, yeah, yeah, yeah. And on that farm they found some toes.

Oh, it was Old MacDonald. T-O-E-S, I don't know, fucking whatever. So they found some toes. Oh, it was Old MacDonald. T-O-E-S. I don't know. Fucking whatever. So they find some toes. Old MacDonald had a farm. That's the one.

And on it was some toes. It was 10 toes, right. So they find toes. They're trying. They have no idea where, who it's from or whatever. They know it's not Deloge or County. They're like, okay, that rules out, too. So they say, quote, investigators did find remains of a third person.

There's no way to determine who it was. Oh, my God. Unidentified man. That's all they said is that they know it's a man. They don't know how long they've been there. They don't know anything. Oh, through DNA, you can tell that. It's a guy, yeah.

How can you look at a toe and be like, that's a dude's toe? Because I've seen some women's feet that look pretty dude-like. No, definitely. We'll say she's killing guys out there. Assuming she's only killing dudes. Yeah, they said the toes were located out near her property, kind of on the edge of it there. She probably said, let me toss these. I figure she tossed them like a handful.

A handful of them. Like Dahmer did with his first bones. He just spun around. Like she's overseeding the grass. Yeah, it says if additional information is developed that indicates those toes belong to someone who met with foul play, we would look into that, the police said. Ten toes, how the fuck else do those come off? You know what I mean? That's what

I'm saying. You got a pretty goddamn good story if those just come off. Yeah, absolutely. So now she's in prison for a few years. She writes to the newspaper while she's in prison. The New Hampshire union leader says she wants to serve her two life sentences in New Hampshire or Massachusetts. There's some sort of inmate exchange, and she ends up in Florida.

I love that. And she doesn't like it down there. She says, quote, the truth is I'm afraid and in fear for my life. Two white female staff members abused me physically and psychologically in May 2012. So she's saying that – she's also saying, Jesus Christ. White female staff members abused me physically and psychologically in May 2012. So she's saying that – she's also saying, Jesus Christ, she says – she's writing letters saying that the staff began a cover-up with her abuse. She said, quote, this is a very corrupt prison, which I'm sure it is. It's prison. They all are.

Yeah, she said – she's just talking – she's saying everything. I miss here. They don't like me down here because I have an accent, because I have a northern accent, even though she's from Alabama. I don't understand it. She said, I'm a Yankee. I even have a late Yankee accent. Well, put on your southern one, asshole. You're from Alabama.

And who says Yankee, by the way? Yeah, down south they say Yankee. Do they still say that down there? Fuck yeah, they do. You bet your fucking ass. You bet your ass, man. You lost. Stop it. We're all Yankees now, they do. You bet your fucking ass. You bet your ass, man. You lost. Stop it.

You're all Yankees now. No shit. Everybody's a Yankee. Shut up. Her lawyer got letters, too. She wrote letters to everyone. Her lawyer did, and they asked her lawyer, and her lawyer, who's not her lawyer anymore, said, quote, I don't know what's going on.

Prisons can be abusive places. And he kept walking. He was like, what the fuck do I know? I mean, that's what it is. That's why you don't want to go to prison. He also said, quote, she wanted to be sane, but she was the craziest person I ever met. When the verdict was read, she collapsed in my arms and said, thank God they know I'm sane. She was happy.

What? She was happy that the jury judged her as sane. It doesn't matter if she's going to prison. She collapsed and said, thank God they know I'm sane. That is the craziest person I've ever fucking heard of. But I'm happy she's in prison. She doesn't belong anywhere else. Her sister said that she did awful things. She didn't get the death penalty and no one has the right to mistreat her, god damn it. Okay. Yeah. I mean. They talked to the prosecutor, the assistant attorney, Kristen Wilson, 10 years after the trial and she said that, quote, Sheila LeBear herself was fascinating.

She just said it was the most fascinating case she's ever encountered. Still, she said, quote, she was at one point in time a beauty contestant. She is from the South and can turn on a Southern accent and charm. So she could be very charming, but also very intelligent and very terrifying. No shit. Yeah. She's sitting there stroking a rabbit while it pisses on her. And she kept denying it, but they kept doing tests.

They found DNA and shit. And she said, the prosecutor said, I think, quote, I think some of the progressive forensic technology really got her to the point where she accepted responsibility but proceeded with the insanity defense. That's ridiculous. So, yeah, all sorts of people were coming forward. There was tons of other people. They found hundreds of audio cassettes of her speaking to men on chat lines. What? She would just record them all.

Just recording shit. Tons of them. They said hundreds of audio cassettes. That's somebody that's a weirdo. People would just record shit for no reason. Yeah, I don't know if it's Spank Bank type shit or what, but it's crazy. They said they're possibly going to look into the toes. They don't even know.

One of the residents here said, quote, you tend to think of Epping as being a small town. What does that mean, a small town, where everybody knows what everyone else is up to? Everybody is watching everybody. So you would think that people couldn't just come from a farm like this and disappear or come to a farm like this and disappear. Yeah. Yeah, the police, Kote, or Kote, one of the police detectives said, quote, people started realizing that even in a small town where everything is nice and beautiful and everyone knows each other, that we can still have a horror going on in someone's home that you don't know about. Bad shit happens. He just, that's the mission statement of small town murder.

That right there sums up our whole fucking show. Exactly that right there. Bad shit happens everywhere. Poor Dr. Wilford J. LeBair is buried in Hillside Cemetery in Seabrook in Rockingham County, New Hampshire. Nice. Poor bastard. And Laura Malisi still doesn't have a fucking dime out of that. No doubt. She didn't even get restitution. Well, she doesn't get restitution.

She didn't get the farm. She got shit. She got nothing. Wow. That's a crazy story. Like we said, we've heard that story a couple of times. We've heard her name. We did an 18-minute one here, a 20-minute podcast here.

I don't think anybody got into it as deep as we just did. So fuck you guys. Not you guys, but fuck the people who did it first because we do it better. That's what I'm saying. They likely skipped the rabbit piss. They skipped a lot probably, I think. We got all up in that ass, and that's what I like to see. If you like that, everybody, please get on iTunes.

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I want to say it is. All right. Quintaliani. Well, good for you. Thank you, Quintaliani. I love you. And I'll pronounce you. Hey, Quintaliani.

Good to see you. I couldn't pronounce an Italian name. Greg Gernitz. Danielle Longmore. Ryan Doody or Duddy. Valerie Galloway. Anthony Kaiser. Stephanie Slaza.

That's got to be right, Roxanne Townsend, I'm sure I'm wrong, Logan Abbott, Abby Joubert, Samantha Statterston, Isla Morgan Pierce, Angel Cantwell, Michael Desrosiers. Desrosiers? It's got an S, though. Desrosier? Desrosiers. Yeah, well, Des, that can be De. Oh, it could be.

It's possible. I'm better with names and towns, and you're just not going to pronounce it. Ashley Lewis, Adam Thorpe, Candy Emons, and Megan, thank you all so much. Thank you, guys. You producers are fucking amazing, and you guys make this happen, so thank you so, so much. Jimmy said it, guys. You guys make it happen. You keep us going.

happen. So thank you so, so much. Jimmy said it, guys. You guys make it happen. You keep us going. You keep it so we can do a show and not say, why do we spend all this time for nothing on all this show? But you guys make it worth it. And thank you for all of your support. Pass it on. Head to lh-st.com and get your tickets for Lincoln Hall, Chicago, Illinois, December 14th. Do it up. God damn it, are we excited. Jimmy, what if someone wanted to get a hold of you? How can they do it? If you want to find me and tell me something terrible, like I ruined your name,

find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, or Snapchat. Follow me, play along. It's been really, really amazing. Thanks to you guys. So thanks. And I am at Jimmy P is funny and you can follow me there or copy and paste my name from the show description if you want to friend me on Facebook or

something. Either way, I look forward to hearing from you guys. I get super busy and into the research and I'm kind of off social media for two days and it's too far behind. I promise I read everything. I try to like and try to do everything, but I really, I read everything and I take everything in and I just thank you guys for all of your words and everything like that.

You guys are honestly the best and we are so excited. God, can't wait. Every, each and every week. Yeah. Get your ass back here next week. Telling you, because until next week, guys, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today.

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