Small Town Murder - #394 - The Sudden Passion Of Boobs - Nassau Bay, Texas

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

This week, in Nassau Bay, Texas, did a lesbian affair between two housewives set off a series of events that culminated in a completely different woman, killing her husband, in a public place, in front of many witnesses, and even a video camera, because of his obsession with another woman's "puppies"? Will all of this lead to no prison time? An absolutely wild tale of accusations, truths, desire, and rage! Along the way, we find out that anyone is allowed on a public street, that dentists are very horny, and that "sudden passion" is a legal defense for murder in Texas!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay! Choo-choo! Ah to Small Town Murder Express. Yay! Choo-choo! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host.

I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us all aboard the murder train, pulling away from the station. We got some weird stuff today, as usual, and 10 pounds of dynamite in a one-pound bag today. Yes. It's wild stuff. Before we get to it, very quickly, shutupandgivememurder.com is where you get all of your everything that has to do with us. Most of all, tickets for live shows.

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Because these people, it's bad. They live in Mudlick, Kentucky, and times are tough. And there's a murder that stems from it that you can watch blossom in this documentary. It's crazy shit. We'll talk about that. American Hollow, it's called. Can't wait for for that that is patreon.com slash crime and sports that said time to get into this because it's a lot of story we got to go here but before that i think it's time everybody wherever you are i don't care where you are that's right cause a

traffic jam stop in the middle of the intersection. Get out. Throw your arms to the sky and shout, Shut up and give me murder. Believe me, people will leave you alone after that. They'll go, we'll let that person get back into their car because, I don't know. You don't have to use a turn signal. It's all right. They could have a problem right now. So that said, let's go on a trip, Jimmy.

Okay. We're going all the way down to Texas right now. Oh that said, let's go on a trip, Jimmy. Okay. We're going all the way down to Texas right now. Oh yeah, Texas. We're going to Nassau Bay, Texas. Well, that doesn't sound right. No, that sounds like it's off of Long Island. Or Jamaica.

Like the Nassau County Coliseum there. Nassau County is in Long Island. Yeah, it's the same way too. Nassau Bay. It's also obviously in the Caribbean. Nassau Bay, Texas. It's in southeastern Texas about a half hour outside of Houston. It's eight hours

from our last Texas episode, which was Odessa, Texas. That is fucking crazy that you can drive for eight hours and stay not even close to the fucking border. Nope, nope. This is all the way up there. That's all the way up by the panhandle of Odessa.

Population of this town, 5,191. Median income here is about 60,000, a little over that. So it's a little above the national average. It's a suburb. It's like a nice suburban kind of family type environment. Median home. Sort of. Yeah.

Median. There's a lake here. Median home price is $361,700. Okay. And the motto here is charting new horizons. Okay. In other words, we're going to build a bunch of neighborhoods at once. That's what that means.

We've got a lot of developers. Because that's what they did. what that means we got a lot of developers because that's what they did um this started out where a guy named colonel raymond pearson established a ranch called the spirit of 1776 ranch and that's that uh that was that became nassau bay that area of his ranch in 1962 they planned a community to be an exclusively residential you know nice gated communities all sorts of shit like that and they built it for this is in 1962 49 million dollars which is 623 million today so so much money it's a lot so people started coming uh originally four people are 400 people came at the start and And then in 1968, they had almost 3,000 people.

It became a city after that, and it started to grow a little bit, but not too, too much. It's still pretty. There's a limited amount of it. It's kind of that. You can't really build much more. So reviews of this town. Here is four stars. Some of these are weird.

These are some weird reviews. Okay, four stars some of these are weird these are some weird reviews okay four stars reaction time of our police department as well as fire department is impeccable oh so these people have clocked the cops and the fire department why are you using all these services yeah why why are you using these services enough to know that their times are good. Number one, police and or, and, and fire both of them. If you happen to be in an accident,

the average police time will be there is in around less than five minutes. How many accidents have you been into where there's an average time? Why do you have an average? I've been in 12 accidents. One took about 14 minutes, one, they were there in two and then one, they were there.

So it averages out to five minutes, I'd say around. Wow four stars if this area is good for anything it's definitely going out um okay there's such a variety of bars um no clubs but that doesn't mean you can't find someone to dance all right uh the area i want to dance with somebody whitney houston wrote this review right before she passed the area seems to be decorated more towards people in their 20s to late 30s something for everyone all right unless you're above your late 30s or under your 20s and not so much uh three stars here houston weather is intense in the first place okay this is going to be about weather once you get closer to the bayous it gets a little crazier don't bother fixing your hair or

putting on a bunch of makeup in the summer the humidity is going to ruin it anyways well that sounds like a paradise really that's but what about the town makeup doesn't matter there's makeup running down your face and your hair is a mess. Who gives a shit? You're not seeing anything. You won't leave the house. I'm not doing anything memorable. There will not be any pictures taken of me like this.

Nothing. I look like Tammy Faye Baker after crying. I'm just a mess. Just pouring down my face. People here aren't used to winter, so everyone thinks they're going to freeze to death in the wet cold. What the hell is wet cold? I don't know. I don't know.

When it's under. But they have fucking ice storms there. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's dangerous. What are they talking about? It's not that bad. Yeah, well, they're saying that people think they're going to freeze to death. So they're going to freeze to death.

You will. You will freeze to death. Things to do here. The Street Eats Party. Number one. It says live music exclamation point food trucks exclamation point beer and wine exclamation point get your ass down here free admission and parking just come we don't care it's a street festival we're all familiar with that come on in bring your own it's byoc though jimmy what's that bring your own chair literally it says that

byoc bring your own chair in case you weren't aware of that nomenclature there uh nassau bay's street eats party is a family-friendly town square event with focus on community engagement and a relaxing good time happens twice a year and uh yay next is the moon tree launch what moon tree do that yes they're going to have a special moon tree planting ceremony the trees will be planted at city hall in some park uh what this is is um apparently the astronauts the seeds somebody took into space were brought back and planted and successfully grew into trees that are 75 feet tall now. So as they grew and matured, the Moon Tree Foundation was formed and started planting

seeds and growing saplings. And over time, they were able to take DNA from those trees and create new offspring of moon trees. It sounds very stupid. So somebody put some seeds in their pocket and went up yes and then brought them back and they worked still so they were like cool this is the dumbest thing ever so there's people they don't go find seeds for something elsewhere and bring them back if they walked around on the moon saw some seeds lying there and took them and

brought them back that'd be amazing. Those are moon seeds. I'd go look at those trees. And they'd grow up and be like, it's a moon tree. This is just some tree seeds. I want to see those seeds. Yeah, this is a different seed. This is stupid.

And it says they encourage families and young future astronauts to attend. Oh, God, Jesus. The splendor of this tree. Wow. That's insane. It's an earth tree. It's an earth tree. You'll love of this tree. Wow. That's insane. It's an earth tree. It's an earth tree. You'll love it.

Right. It's a moon tree. Yeah, this is a suburb where you, yeah, it's a safe kind of suburb. That said, let's talk about some murder here. What do you say? Oh, boy, I can't wait. Let's get into this. Okay.

Oh, first of all, I have to give credit to an article because they had a lot of good information that nobody else had from Texas Monthxas monthly and the article's called suburban madness by a guy named skip hollandsworth so i'm terrified there you go oh yeah it's it's fucking wild let's talk about this stuff let's talk first of all about a guy here a very successful guy actually his name's david harris he's born in 1958 um by the 90s he 90s, he's got a toupee working. Oh, no. Yeah, he's got a rug going on. He's a successful orthodontist, though. So it's a good rug.

It's not like one of those where, Jesus, look at the fucking thing on that guy. You can't even see the seam. It's not one of those. It's one where you're like, wow, he's got a rug? Holy shit. It's a good one. Yeah, he's got it all sewn in there. So very, very, very successful orthodontist that has a big, huge practice.

Eventually he'll have like seven offices and they'll be – Yeah. I mean – That's got to be the most depressing thing on the planet to be that successful and then wake up in the morning and see your bald fucking head that you can do nothing about except for somebody else's shit. Slap this thing on top of it. Just slap it on top. Just there you go. Like Seinfeld said, your little hair hat there.

Millions of dollars. And this. This is what I got. Yep. Can't do it. So he's so smart, though. He graduated second in his class in dental school. Everybody said he was charming and folksy.

His favorite word that he used all the time was golly. Golly. That's what he'd say all the time. I like him. Well, golly. Yeah, I don't know if I want someone working on my teeth saying golly, though. I want a doctor. I think the worthwhile fan, that's all.

Yeah, I want a doctor that's serious and lost golly when they were about nine. That's what I want from a medical professional. Most people, I want a doctor that's serious and, you know, lost golly when they were about nine. That's what I want from a medical professional. Most people, I don't care. My mechanic, if he says golly, makes me more trustworthy, I think, in that point. I think of him as more honest, and I'm happy to give him my car, you know? HVAC guy, golly it up, pal. But medical shit, drop that golly shit and let's be professionals here you could kill me to me yeah don't talk to me about my fucking surgery and say golly that

molar needs some work no i don't want to hear don't say golly while looking at my x-rays nope that's that's a problem for me i don't know what it is next next maybe that's just me though i'm sure most people would probably make them more comfortable for me i'm like listen listen chief you're not wrong look gomer pile was a dipshit and he said golly all the time i just say use some medical terms i don't understand please that's what i'd like from you some expertise that i don't have i know golly already i got that you tell me what you know sir yeah so he's uh he ends up getting he's married has a young has a daughter and then he's divorced and so he gets remarried later on here so um he gets has a wife named clara harris

here and um that's who he marries that's his second wife clara harris being there uh she's born in 1958 also same age she's from bogota columbia originally that's where she was born yep her she was raised by a single widowed mother dad died very young uh so she was one of these people who's very determined to have a better life and do some shit. So she ends up studying dentistry in Colombia before coming to the United States in the late 80s for more dental training and eventually becoming a dentist as well. Oh, okay. So that's... Your fucking dental training in Colombia amounts to a bag and groceries.

Exactly. It was more like a step up into the... Yeah, there you go. So she's got and groceries. Exactly. It was more like a step up into the, yeah, there you go. So she's got red hair. Oh. She's an orthodontist, so very nice teeth, too. Good smile. She even has like a mole on her left cheek that's very, you know,

model-esque. Yeah, she's very, very pretty. She was actually crowned miss columbia houston in a all right in a contest after she completed her residency for dental shit at the that's what they call it officially it's a dental shit residency yeah are you in the dental shit course oh okay good well that's that's official right dental shit for dental shit shows that little college i i did which is none dental shit so uh that she went to university of texas houston dental branch which is where he went also which is where uh david went as well so after that she graduates and she becomes miss columbia houston so best looking

columbian chicken houston you betcha there you go she's judged by a panel it's judged by a panel there you go i don't know who they are but fine so meet she meets david here in 1991 they're both you know same age early 30s 33 uh they both work at the castle dental center in houston and so they're you know they meet as both dentists and he's attracted to her. He's very smart and successful and can't really tell he's wearing a rug, so she likes him. It's nice. One of his father, David's father, Gerald, said, I remember David calling soon after he had met Clara, telling me he was completely smitten.

So he called his dad and everything about it. Golly. Golly. Golly, she's pretty. So in 1992, after less than a year of a courtship, they get married on Valentine's Day, 1992. Boy, that's fast. When you know, you know, Jimmy. When you know, you know. Yes.

And this was less than a year after their first date. They held the reception at the nassau bay hilton hotel which will come up again later in the story so keep that in mind which is about you know 30 miles away from houston here and um clara said she told uh one of her friends i found the best meaning him he's the best she said quote i found the one god had reserved for me that's right she makes my mold tangle yep they said she two or three that's absolutely you got to rub it just right yeah two or three times a day they talk on the phone always say i love you at the end of the calls and all that kind of thing i saw an article here in 1997 where they

were celebrating their fourth anniversary of service in the community here where they opened their own practice oh this was their for in 93 this was their fourth anniversary of that and uh they were it was basically a big article in the paper to thank their patients for yeah being there supporting us yeah thanks for bringing us your teeth thanks for bringing us your fucked up fucking teeth that That's good. Texas teeth. Your Texas teeth. Or any teeth, really. So 1998, they have twins.

Oh. Twin boys. I don't know if there was some fertilization help there or how that goes, but that's what happens a lot because they're both 40. Well, she's also Latin American. True. And the gals are fertile, my friend. Well, yeah, you don't even have to actually have sex with them. No.

Yeah, so you rub their arm a little bit and they'll be like, twins. How do you like that? No, Jimmy says that because his ex-wife was pretty fertile. Oh, boy. I barely touched that woman. I got two kids out of her. There you go. He doesn't even remember. He doesn't think they ever consummated the marriage, but he has two kids out of there you go he doesn't even

remember he he doesn't think they ever consummated the marriage but he has two kids it's crazy it's bizarre so yeah her this is kind of they have these twins so a lot of times that's what happens is you have the like in vitro or whatever they put a couple legs and then you know you end up with more than one takes right you end up with more than one so um also david has a daughter from another from the first marriage who was born in like 85 and she gets along great with her too her dad's got laid twice he's got three kids to prove three kids boom in and out three kids in a crooked rug after all that sex you know he comes out of sex with a crooked rug every time. Poor bastard. Straighten it out. So, you know, that's all right.

It means he's working, Jimmy. Yeah. He's not sitting there still. He's working it. I'll knock my wig crooked for you, baby. You want to rub your finger through someone else's hair? Yeah. Come on.

It's nice air. So, Lindsay and Clara have a great relationship together. Lindsay plays violin. She's very good at it. She spends summers there after spending the school year with her mother, who moved to Ohio. So Clara would work doing dentistry all day. She always got home in time to cook dinner, they said. They have a big, beautiful house and a nice, thriving practice and everything like that. One of her coworkers said for Clara, it was always David, David, David.

I used to tell people that I wished I could be able to love my husband in the same way that Clara loved David. What's his fucking problem? I used to tell people, hopefully her husband wasn't one of those people. Jesus Christ. What a terrible thing to say out loud. Unbelievable. In the paper, she said that. I used to tell people her husband's standing next to her like,

what the fuck did you just say? I wish I could love this piece of shit. What's your problem? I thought things were going well. What the fuck, man oh that's the most insulting thing i've ever read in the newspaper we just went to acapulco for two weeks i thought things were going well this is we gotta we're gonna have a talk when we get home all right this is bullshit yeah fuck that i'm never leaving the bedroom without my rug askew ever again. Yeah, this is bullshit, man.

So Clara loves her practice, likes being successful, likes her family, loves David and all that. She's not real materialistic. There's only one extravagance that she really loves, and that's her car. She's got a Mercedes that she really loves. So she bought this Mercedes, and she thought that was nice. She thought it was a symbol of all that she had accomplished. Hell yeah. It's an actual physical manifestation of accomplishment.

Tangible hard work. Absolutely. Yeah, that feels good for people. So David, very loyal as well. They're very loyal to each other. They love each other. One of his coworkers said, quote, I'm not exaggerating this. He just didn't look twice at another woman

they said he never went out drinking with the friends he never you know would talk about you know porn he watched or anything with his buddies or anything he was just very like oh yeah my wife my wife my wife uh they also together they went to the shady crest baptist church all the time where david played the drums in the in the church's contemporary christian soft rock group oh my god that's the only band you can play uh the drums in as a man who has somebody else's hair yeah well you can wear a hat back there i guess put a fedora on or something yeah if you ever you ever. You can't wear somebody else's hair to your gig. If I'm ever like, if they need to torture me to get information out of me, no need to waterboard me.

No need to do anything. Just put on contemporary Christian soft rock. And in about probably two minutes or so, before the first chorus hits. I'll tell you everything. I'll tell you everything you want to know. They sang songs like Sing Hallelujah and You Make Me Complete. Those are some of their songs that they made there. So he is also doing all sorts of shit with, of course, the practice, tons of braces.

And he's making tons of money by 2000. He's making as much as $35,000 a month from Space Center Orthodonticsics which is the name of his company there he buys a piece of land uh in an upscale shopping center so they could build a huge six thousand square foot new office oh boy so make that nice and um once the building's finished clara's gonna move her practice there as well so they can work in the same office together. It's beautiful. They've worked this all out. This is the American dream, this type of thing. You got your family, your own business, and it's all good. Fucking half a million a year.

Enter Belinda Gail Thompson Bridges to the story here. Gail, she goes by. Gail Bridges is what she goes by. She is described in the Texas monthly as a petite, stylish, 35, 39 year old mother of three. So,

yep. Yep. Um, she had just, she's two years out of a divorce. Oh, just divorced her husband, Steven,

tiny and hot. We'll talk about here. Uh, they had a great life. They lived in a nice, great gated community. Everything was wonderful um you know all perfect she's known as listen to this quote she had flawless alabaster skin

eyes as brown as almonds and a pixie-ish dorothy hamill-like haircut compared with other neighborhood wives her breast implants were not overly large okay a lot of wives with a lot of a lot of wives with fake tits in this neighborhood it's a gated fake tit neighborhood yeah it's one of those she looks mad gettable while being incredibly hot that's kind of the vibe she's given off here and she's also fresh off a divorce here and fresh off a wild divorce let's talk about gail's divorce uh started in 1999 her husband steve claimed that she had been carrying on a lesbian relationship with her best friend julie knight who was married to a guy named chuck who was a software specialist for an aerospace company and then chuck made the same allegations about julie in their and both of their divorces were my wife's a lesbian who's cheating on me with her friend.

Who gives a fuck? Okay. You know what I mean? They never, well, we'll check it out. They never presented any definitive evidence in court that proved any lesbian relationship here. But they, she claimed, both wives claimed in their suits that the tales were invented by their husbands. claimed in their suits that the tales were invented by their husbands, and they were only saying this to divert attention away from their own improper conduct, including abuse of alcohol and prescription pills, and an extramarital affair carried on by Chuck with one of Gail and Julie's close friends. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come

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bobby baka and uh she does has, she's a, like a 43 year old woman that owns a blue moon investigations. And she does a lot of, you know, spying for couples. Yeah. Yeah. Is this person cheating on me and shit like that?

So, uh, Chuck Knight, Julie Gales would be lesbian lovers. His wife there, quote unquote, uh, Chuck said that he needed to, he needed someone to watch his wife, Julie, that night. Julie and her best friend, Gail.

Chuck said that his wife lived a neighborhood away from Gail and her husband, Steve, and the couples were close friends. They went to the same church and all that shit. The boys played on the same soccer team. They hung out every New Year's Eve. But for the last year, Chuck said, neighbors started coming to the two of them chuck and steve and asking why did gail and julie spend so much time together what kind of nosy neighbors are these yeah what none of your business how's that get back in your house

you're destroying them you're destroying two marriages with your bullshit gossip stop Get back in your house. Fuck off. You're destroying two marriages with your bullshit gossip. Stop it. Even if it is happening, who gives a shit? Gee, they seem to be spending an awful lot of time together. You nosy twats. Go back in your houses. Good for them. Yeah.

They go to lunch together, taking tennis lessons, sitting around, just visiting each other's houses. Just, you know, having a friendship. Just being friends, eating meals and doing things together. That's just weird. They're probably fucking. Jesus. They would think we were gay as hell. We go out to eat together on the road.

We hang out. Kind of Italian cock-up swallow. Oh, my God. They would be like, these two. Holy shit. The rump rangers these two are. My goodness. The guy's going on trips with the man.

Look at him. Look at him. They went to a nice restaurant together and ate lunch. Jesus Christ. Sitting on a patio in San Francisco together. Who does that? It was a decent place by the water. They had a shrimp cocktail.

These two cocktail get it. You get it. We all get it. So they said, this is all while your husbands are at work. They're doing that. Yeah. That's what housewives do together. Yeah.

Stay, hang out and do shit. Right. And yeah. So Chuck said he began to have suspicions after watching julie and gail hugging he said i didn't like they hugged and they were like hmm so as time passed wow they went to the bathroom together like yeah that's what women do yeah they went to the same destination and rode in the same car they're fangering each other while they pee i'm sure that's what's happening i don't know what they do in there but something so they began to grow very suspicious

though chuck and steve and they decided their wives must be lesbians that's the only explanation for this which is very a little myopic i think so but still we're so we're soft to not be insanely driven nuts by the thought of seeing that you're just being a dick about it yeah yeah they're not he's not even trying to like you know maneuver it into his own bedroom he's trying to not trying to stand in the corner and talk no nothing he's trying to get a divorce over it jesus so chuck tells bobby the private investigator then he and steve would be watching the children that night so their wives could go shopping at the bay brook mall for a couple hours quote shopping and so you better follow them and see what they really do so uh according to Bobby's notes, Chuck said to her, this is fucking amazing. Oh, my God.

I've been waiting to say this quote. Quote, but I bet they will go to a hotel or they might just pull over on the side of the highway to do their business. Gail has a boob job and my wife will not be able to wait to touch those puppies. The projection is too much oh my god i want to touch i mean my wife really wants and it's the late 90s so i feel like he's been watching wwe and listening to jerry lawler say puppies over and over again i feel like that's where this is coming from not gonna be able to wait to touch those puppies although they said that or larry chuck said that not steve although steve i feel like in texas they call everything puppies yeah i mean anything just if you have steaks on the grill like when you're taking them puppies off the grill i feel like it's one of those it's right by the dealership

all the new trucks are i want to go take a look one of them puppies yeah when the puppies are out there absolutely oh them new f-150s are looking good so there here's the stakeout let's find out what oh god i can't wait what sultry yeah steamy hot lesbian behavior on the side of the fucking freeway yeah just couldn't even wait couldn't wait just 69 and right in the back throwing two digits in her while sucking a titty. Just behind the second row of seats in the SUV back there. Just fucking enough room for the two of them. Can't wait to get those titties in her mouth. So the PI drove to the night house and waited for Gail and Julie to drive off in Gail's Lincoln Navigator.

and waited for Gail and Julie to drive off in Gail's Lincoln Navigator. She said she saw Julie, described her as a curvy blonde with blue eyes, wearing blue jeans and a red Tommy Hilfiger top. Oh, man. Yeah, she's looking okay. Gail came out in blue jeans and a pink top, and they drove to the mall, like they said they were going to drive to. They drove to the mall, got out promptly, and started shopping.

Had some Panda Express or some Aunt Annie's and wandered the mall. Wandered the mall. They shared pretzels. They shared those pretzel bites. I saw it. Their fingers touched when they went for the salty one. Orange Julius with one straw, these fucking dirt bags. God damn it.

So Bobby follows, gets out of the car, too. She just looks like another lady shopping. She said they went to Nine West Shoe Store. Yeah. You know, and they were there. Bobby walked in and sat near them and tried on some shoes herself to, you know, blend in and listen to the two women talk. They talked. They laughed loudly before heading out of the mall. And then, you know what they did then, Jimmy?

It's nefarious. They drove through McDonald's to get drinks. You filthy lesbians. Filthy, filthy lesbians. Yeah, clearly this is all very lesbian behavior. Chuck's got to feel like a piece of shit, right? What a complete idiot. This is all very lesbian behavior. Chuck's got to feel like a piece of shit, right? What a complete idiot. This is so stupid.

He had his wife to hail to Nine West and McDonald's. At the mall, which is exactly where she said she was going with the person who she said she was going there with. Unbelievable. So the next day, Bobby tells Chuck that they acted like, she said, they acted like Wilma and Betty from the Flintstones. She said that was the best way to describe them, just like a couple of pals. She said there was nothing lesbian-like at all in their behavior. The physically closest they got was when they were in the car together and sitting in seats next to each other. Otherwise, they were just normal.

So Bobby asked her to, quote, inflame that part of the report that they were in the car. Maybe they touched each other a little bit or something to, you know, help his case along. Right. And Chuck says that he never asked her that. And he also says that he never referred to Gail's breasts as, quote, puppies. Never. Please don't tell Steven. Never referred to him as those puppies. i'll tell you that right now wow um that's amazing he regrets it so much no so she said i don't know if i can do that that's

not really honest and then she also said quote even if two women hug or kiss it doesn't mean they're sexually active with one another. Not at all. That's just not how women are. And Chuck hung up on her. And so Bobby filed the case away. Conversation. Yeah.

And moved on. So then mid-July 1999, Julie and Gail show up in her office. Oh. And said, we both filed for divorces from each other. They filed in the same week and talked about all the, you know, just regular stories from why their marriages sucked. And they said that their husbands have been threatening to expose them in court as lesbians, which they said they weren't. They brought their they thought that maybe that they're these guys might be using this to try to force them into out of court settlements that would leave them with less than their fair share in a divorce, which is obviously what they're doing here. Julie says she wants her husband tracked to see what he might be hiding. Gail does not hire Bobby.

She backs out at the last minute saying she wants to try to keep the peace between her and her husband during the divorce. Maybe she can work it out more amicably. and her husband during the divorce. Maybe she can work it out more amicably. So Chuck gets tailed, though, and the investigator begins to notice that he was visiting the house of a friend down the street and that another woman was showing up at that house right around that time.

He had like a rendezvous spot for fucking here. I'm going over to Ted's house, but over at Ted's house, Martha shows up. Yeah, allegedly. So Bobby, also Bobbyby's investigator caught chuck and this woman flying to tampa together for a weekend trip so we know it's filthy if they're in tampa yeah because everything in tampa is filthy so dirty shit they're doing dirty shit and she's going to come home with bruises all over her legs as we know somehow magically the mark of tampa so the uh the woman was laurie this woman named laurie who was a

part-time baton twirling instructor i don't know what the demand for a baton twirling instructor is but apparently it's big the answer is unemployed yeah and she's also married okay she's the her husband is a guy named steve wells who is a modeling a contractor and all this shit so this is yeah so now we got all sorts of people here laurie julie gail oh boy clara here so the three women and their husbands all knew each other they were all they had been good friends the couples had at one point even gail had met laurie at lamaze class and invited her to church and that's how they all met at church so they would all hang out and uh but they were all getting divorced after a while everybody was being accusing everyone else of sexual misbehavior and lesbianism and this and that and this is why you just don't have friends. Jesus. They're all calling each other.

At one point, they got in a shouting match at the mall. This is trash now at this point. You can't have that kind of behavior. No. Shouting at the mall? No. Your parents, for Christ's sake. You're scaring teenagers that work there.

They work there to get away from their arguing parents. Leave them alone. You're scaring a young girl with a septum piercing. Knock it off. Yeah, please. Who's trying to figure out how many pieces of sesame chicken arguing parents leave them alone scaring a young girl with a septum piercing yeah please who's trying to figure out how many pieces of sesame chicken to put into a fuck or orange chicken to put into a two-item order at uh at panda express when you when you order them both orange chicken so julie got her house vandalized she blamed chuck and laurie and ste. Chuck would follow Julie in his car.

During one episode, Julie says he stuck his middle finger out the driver's side window while she took a picture of it. This is what we're going into here. Gail and Julie accused Chuck and Steve of tapping their phone conversations, then splicing the conversations together so that the wives would appear to be swapping sexually suggestive comments such as on about activities that were originally eating ice cream or going going to eat food and shit like that they're doing z morning radio zoo shit to each other to each other wow julie and gail went to the district attorney's office and both men were indicted on felony charges of illegal wiretapping at that point. So later on, the charges against Steve were dropped, but I don't know what ended up happening with the charges against Chuck, because I think he was the guy that actually knew how to do that shit. the good puppies there. She moved into a She moves into a less

opulent home, smaller home, and starts looking for work. She has to find work because, you know, you gotta do that after you get a divorce. Oh, by the way, Gail and Julie appeared on a segment of the Sally Jesse Raphael show in 2001 wearing wigs and dark glasses.

Talking about their divorces, talking about how their former husbands tried to portray them as lesbians. They went on Sally Jesse with her big glasses and everything. So that's amazing. This is incredible. Gail gets hired by space center orthodontics, which is, uh, which is uh which is uh clara and um david's david right uh their business orthodontistry in august 2001 she's making about

eighteen hundred dollars a month so she wasn't making that much money but she did like the job and she got along great with old dr harris there, David. And one of the co-workers said, quote, I remember watching Gail bend down in front of David to get some papers out of a filing cabinet. But instead of bending at the knees like everyone else, she bent at the waist so that her butt would stick up. And I thought, uh-oh. Uh-oh. uh-oh okay yeah uh-oh she said that also because not well it was easy to tell because maybe david's not paying attention

but then she saw his toupee pop up and go back down for a second like it was like a three stooges like a little pop yeah like one of those one of those. A little poof. She was like, oh. It spun around. Yeah. And it did one of those. And they're like, whoa. So then Gail started mentioning to her friend that David was taking her out to lunch now and then.

Yeah. By February 2002, he asked her if she would like to have lunch at Perry's restaurant. And by April, they were fucking. Oh, boy. Gail and David. Now, David's brother, Gerald, who is a psychiatrist or psychologist who teaches at the

University of Houston and also has an office in the office here, installed a video camera in the office to identify ways to improve patient-staff interactions. But someone kept turning the camera off so you wouldn't see scenes of david coming up to flirt with gail wonder who was doing that so it was david they started meeting at the nassau bay hilton where david and clara had their wedding

reception and you know nice views they overlooked the No, at least get your own joint. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, man. Yep. So she told her friends that she, you know, he said that he was only staying in his marriage for business and the children. What the fuck happened, man? You were in love with her. Everything was great. Puppies, Jimmy.

Puppies. Yeah. Puppies are a draw. It's a strong. That's how dumb we are. This whole thing. And we're just like, pair of tits. At least if it was like, because this happens sometimes.

You'll see like a woman might like a guy because he's very rich or something. And aren't our stories anyway. And blah, blah, blah. At least that's your whole life is different and changed. And he's like, I can touch boobs that i like i'm gonna throw everything down the toilet squeezy squeezy look at them there they are wow that is incredible having a penis is wild man it's really is it really is annoying it's an adventure it's an adventure so wow this idiot she told her friends that david said he loved her and all that kind of thing but people didn't think that david was really in love with her um one of the friends said

one of the friends said quote if anything he was infatuated with her for a while. Nothing more. He was never going to leave his wife. That's what the friend said. Over the Fourth of July weekend that year, 2002, the Harris family, Clara and David, took a vacation to Jamaica. Oh, yeah. The kids and everything. A few of his coworkers said they'd. Celebrate America in Jamaica? Let's do it.

Let's get the hell out of here. That's what we're doing. So I guess it's hot, though's get the hell out of here that's what we're doing so i guess it's hot though in the fourth of july in texas you want to go to another hot place i guess and it's summer in in bahamas yeah fucking amazing there yeah better breezes probably yeah so friends and the co-workers were like maybe this will be the thing that'll spark their marriage back you know this will be good um so someone suggested that gail that he fired gail like he should fire gail and he said he loved clara he doesn't want to end the marriage but he's emotionally involved with gail and he can't fire her so

july 17 2002 they're back from jamaica and everything clare knows nothing of this affair by the way at this point clara i'm sorry clara not cl everything Claire knows nothing of this affair by the way at this point Clara I'm sorry Clara not Claire she knows nothing about this affair no one had told her about it even though everyone in the office knows about it so David knowing that too many people know about it at this point it's eventually going to get back to Clara that

morning he sits her down and tells her about it yeah yeah he tells her tells Clara yep tells her about it. Yeah. Yeah. He tells her. Tells Clara? Yep. Tells her they had lunches at Perry's and they have spent nights at the Hilton where we had our wedding reception. Oh, God, Jesus. Clara, of course, freaks out, obviously, cries and, yeah, all this type of thing.

He told one of his friends and then he even this to. So she said, why? Why? And she said David told her that Gail was petite with a perfect and was a perfect fit to sleep with you holding her all night. That's what Clara said that he told her. You can't say that. No, she's not you. That's why I fucked her. That's what you just told her. This was, by the way, at an airport sports bar. He told her this in public. And she took notes on a napkin, by the way, while airport sports bar he told her this in public and she took notes on a napkin

by the way while this is going on well done clara notes on a napkin just like but not for like legal purposes no just to just so she could remember all this she's just very studious so clara said she was stunned about all of this. She said, quote, I couldn't believe he could sleep holding her all night because we had never slept like that. Never in 10 years. So that was a blow blow. Dagger. According to the way Clara's notes here, David seemed fixated on Gail's breast size.

Yes. Yes. Yes. He said he gave his wife higher marks. He sat there and compared the two of them. I mean, you're like this, but she's like this. You have this, but she takes it in the face. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, there's different needs being fulfilled here.

That's what he sat there saying. Until it stops throbbing. She keeps it in her face. Yeah. He basically graded their whole bodies in front of her. Un-fucking-real. She said that he gave Clara much, quote, much higher marks for prettier hands and feet and prettier eyes. But what about in between there?

But tits. You son of a bitch. No contest. Queen there. You son of a bitch. No contest. She said, quote, he told me I would love you when you get your boobs to be just around the house waiting for me. Because he wanted her to quit the dentistry practice and just be at home with her boobs waiting for him. So the next day and the next couple days she starts scheduling appointments not with lawyers not with lawyers but for liposuction breast enlargement went to the

tanning salon joined a fitness center did all this in four days um yeah so then they went to the office the dental office where gail and uhail and where Clara confronts Gail telling her that she's fired and she can't ever come back. She should fuck a guy with great hair. That's what she should do. That's what she should do. Just a beautiful head of fucking hair. Just fucking guy with a bobby on hair. Yeah.

A homeless guy with a huge bush of hair. He doesn't have two dimes to run together but look at that head such so much better hair than you i just like to hold on to it while he pounds me so she uh she said she called gail so many times ranting at her about what kind of woman she was, that Julie Knight reported to the police that Clara was making terroristic threats on Gail's life. One of Clara's friends said that she only called Gail, though. Clara only called Gail to thank her for opening her eyes. So Clara ends up, her friend said she looked terrible in the days after this she stopped eating she lost 10 pounds oh jesus she put a five thousand dollar down payment on lipo and breast implants hired a personal trainer went to the tanning salon telling everyone she's going to get david

back she's going to win him back this is terrible jesus christ so That is so awful. The office manager at his office, Susan Hansen, said that Clara scheduled all this shit, told her about it. She said Clara was shattered. She was humiliated. She was devastated. Everything in her life had come to a stop. Yeah, that's wild. But she told the office manager one day, quote, we're going to make it. Oh, Clara.

So she's going to make it. She said, I told Clara Harris she needed to protect her marriage try not to ignore anything out of the ordinary pay attention to david maybe get counseling i wanted her to be able to start seeing the things i had seen you know that he's staring at this broad's tits in the office so then they sit down, David and Clara, as a couple and tell everyone they know about this shit. They sit down with his teenage daughter, who certainly doesn't need to know about this and explain it. They sit down with his parents and tell them about it for some reason. What business is it of theirs? But, Dad, you should have seen these puppies.

These puppies were and took his dad aside. David asked everyone for forgiveness, and David's father said that was the time when the healing had started to begin. As part of the healing process, David told Clara he wanted to sit down with Gail at a restaurant and tell her that he was sorry, what happened wasn't her fault, and know he needs to be a man and go back to his marriage here clara said okay fine you know what if that's that's the we're making amends let's make amends so she uh she did tell david that if he stuck by the marriage he could continue to be friends with gail he just couldn't you know have an affair with her she's the sweetest woman very nice she's very nice woman wow it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina

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Of course it's Bobby. So she explained that her husband's going to meet his mistress at a restaurant to tell her that he can't be with her. And he wants an investigator to get close enough to overhear what was said so they can she can know what's going on. So she then starts chatting about gail to bobby she describes gail as evil yeah she said that she had heard around town that this woman had a lesbian lover and that these two lesbians might have come up with a plot for one of them to seduce dav so they could get his money and then run away and spend it at, you know, craft fairs and armpit hair wax and things like that. You know, that's what she said. So July 24th, 2002 is this meeting.

OK, David doesn't go to Perry's, though. He drives to the Hilton. Oh, no, he's going to do one last romp where he meets gail inside at a restaurant the investigator it's a young lady named dubeck she couldn't get close enough to hear what they were saying but david one of gail's friends said david became distraught and told her he wasn't ready to end it and that he still loved gail and he could arrange it that they could still see each other so he just wanted to keep the affair going. Gail told him she wanted no part of the relationship while David was still married.

Then Gail got up and walked out to her car. David followed her. They talked to her for a few minutes outside. He sweet talked her, somehow won her over, and they ended up coming back in and getting a room oh god room 604 to be exact he paid in cash and used an assumed name of course he did like everyone who's up to no good might do here so due back the investigator going back to her car positioned it so she could see the front of the hotel and david's car in the parking lot and pulled out her video camera to capture it on tape when they come out and all that.

That's what Bobby always says, to get them all on video. That's what you need here. So Dubeck called her friend up who came over to hang out with her, brought some fast food. They're eating Arby's in the car or whatever, videotape and shit.

Well, this guy's up there doing the worst. At the same time, Clara and Lindsay, David's daughter, the 16-year-old at this point, the Dubek and her friend are sitting there having a chat in the car. Clara and her stepdaughter pull up to the Hilton, and Clara couldn't. She hired someone to come do this, but instead she came. So she asked Lindsay to go along with her to search for her. We're going to look for your dad. They had gone to Perry's and they weren't there.

So then they went to the restaurant and or they went to the they've gone to another restaurant where they had. David had sometimes taken Gail. Then they went to Gail's house, couldn't find anything. So Clara called Blue Moon, got through to Bobby's husband and said, I need to know where my husband is. So they called Dubek, and they found out. So then she came to the hotel. Oh, God. So Clara and Lindsay arrived to the hotel.

They spot Gail's navigator out in the parking lot. Clara drives up to the car, gets out, smashes one of the taillights, and scratches it with her keys. Very Texas. Very Texas. Very Texas. Very country song here. Yeah. So Dubeck was looking at David's car, never saw Clara do this,

because she was just looking at David's car, because that's what they came in. Clara and Lindsay then parked in another area of the parking lot. Then they went to the front desk, asked for David Harris' room. An employee said, we don't have a David Harris. So Clara said, okay, here's what we're going to do. Both of us will call your dad from their cell phones, me and you,

Lindsay, and tell him that one of the twins is sick and begged him to come home. Okay. So David, uh, tells both he and Gail, or both tells them that he and Gail went to Papa do instead of Paris and that he's on his way home.

Now, okay. A few minutes later, elevator doors pop open. David and Gail pop out. Clara and Lindsay are standing in the lobby and ding is the right way to put it. I would say,

uh, ding is definitely the right way to put it. Like a bell between rounds of a fight. Yeah. Oh fuck. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Yeah. So, because this gets real crazy real fucking quick. David doesn't even get a chance to say anything.

A witness remembers Clara lunging at Gail, screaming, quote, you bitch, he's my husband, then slapping at Gail and tearing her shirt off of her. Oh, my. Yeah, this is turning a WWE angle now. This is puppies, divas tearing each other's shirts off. This is like very 1999 WWE Attitude Era shit here. So she also screamed, this is Dr. David Harris, and he's fucking this woman right here.

She's screaming at the lobby. So everybody knows. Then Lindsay jumps in, the daughter, and begins hitting her father as well, saying, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. Very teenage girl. Yeah. Hotel, imagine. Oh, my God. Hotel employees then try to intervene and break this up, you know, because it's the lobby of a nice hotel.

Lobby of the Marriott. But Clara keeps grabbing at Gail. And at one point, she and Gail, Lindsay and Gail, were both pulling on opposite ends of Gail's shirt like they were trying to pull it off like a tag team. Finally, David put his hand on his wife's head here, on Clara's head, and shoved her to the floor. Like stiff-armed her down. Yeah. Not a punch, but placed his hand down and shoved her away. Definitely inappropriate.

Definitely inappropriate, but this is a melee. This is like a Heathcliff fight with just a cloud of dust and paws coming out every once in a while. A hotel employee then quickly escorts Gail out of the lobby doors to her car, the Lincoln Navigator, which is in one of the parking lots. Without a taillight. Seems like all is good now, right? Yeah. Hotel employees then walk Clara and Lindsay back to the Mercedes in the other parking lot and said, please leave.

You've brawled in the- Don't come back. Yeah. Clara starts up the car and she guns it toward the parking area where David is standing with Gail. Oh, God. area where david is standing with gail oh god the mercedes hits just barely glances off the navigator but hits david before he can get out of the way oh shit this shoots him 25 feet across into the air and across the lot he lands 25 feet away oh yeah boom popped him right witnesses could

hear lindsey screaming while this is going on you know, she's in the car and they just hit her dad. They saw her door open and she put her feet on the ground trying to get out. But then Clara gunned the car again. Oh, God. At David and hits him again. They said the Mercedes bounced twice as the front tire, like by the front tires, and then the back tires rolled over him. So it was like, boom, boom, boom. And then finally went over him.

Bounced twice before it went over him. Totally ran over him. Then she turned the car around and gunned it again and drove over him again. Oh, my. Then she did a wide turn, did a 180, and gunned it again before hitting him a third time holy shit hitting and running over with this car three times so then she comes to a stop imagine you're this private investigator who was watching this this is not what you expected yeah not only saw the whole thing fucking film the whole thing oh boy yeah uh it's insane so she

said you know this is insane she had hold on i gotta grab my video camera and she was like oh you can hear the women in the car the two investigators saying oh my god oh my god as he's flying through the air then according to witnesses lindsey finally gets out of the car once they come to a stop runs around to the driver's side of the mercedes and punches clara in the face through the window she then collapses on the ground sobbing lindsey yeah i imagine she watched this from the passenger seat yes telling her not to please so So then Clara gets out of the car and stands there dazed for a minute, they said. Then she walks over to her husband and just stares at him. Walks over to David's dead body now and stares at him.

She killed him with the car. And then she starts to sob as well. So the police arrive, and by then she was cradling David in her arms, begging him to breathe, saying, I'm so sorry, David. I love you. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Oh, Clara. Yeah, it's it's insane. One of the other hotel people there at the desk clerk said that he heard the sound of a car speeding and cackling as Clara Harris head in their direction. She was laughing. He said, I could hear her laughing because the windows were open.

She said that Clara Harris jumped the median, ran over his body, circled the lot, and ran over him again. Then she put the car in reverse, backed up, and ran over him a third time. That's what he saw. So she's arrested, obviously. She's released on $30,000 bail. Is that right? Which is very low. She is, isn't it? Yeah, she's released on thirty thousand dollars bail is that right which is very low um yeah she's released uh she said it was an accident that's which that's her official explanation and defense the media the new york post calls her mad wife at the wheel is the big

headline uh english tabloids called her the driller killer okay my goodness gail um goes into seclusion here because the media is all over her they find out that she was on sally jesse rafael and that goes blows the fuck up and videotapes are everywhere my husband spies on me it was the title of all these articles and it's a lot uh the houston chronicle ran a thing said saying, quote, bisexual triangle led to a car slay of hubby. That's the New York Post, not the Houston Chronicle. Now, well, that's that's a headline, though. I mean, that's it. You're going to go, what's that now? Just to figure out what they're talking about. Yeah. At the trial, they said the prosecutor want to prove wants to prove that, you know, she did this on purpose with rage and everything.

He said she turned her $70,000 vehicle into a 4,000-pound murder weapon. That's right. 20-minute opening, though, her lawyer said that she desperately wanted to keep her family together and bring her husband back home. She went through all this stuff. She put down money for breast implants. She felt terrible. And she didn't know what she was doing. She was, there's a certain statute here in the state that gives you, uh, where the jury can judge that the thing you did was in quote, sudden passion. Okay. So you

can be found guilty of murder and not be required to be sentenced under the regular murder statute sentencing because it was, if it's a sudden passion case, they can lower it a lot. Okay. So she's in court, still wearing her wedding ring in court. Really? Oh, yeah. It's a lot. So they said that the restaurant manager testified from the hotel,

and they said if looks could kill, then, uh, she, uh, looks could kill. She would have killed her. It would have killed him. And it said, it sent shivers through my spine. She peeled rubber. I was like,

okay. Yeah. So everybody said that he was a good guy. Otherwise Lindsay testifies and says, quote, she stepped on the accelerator and went straight for him. He was really scared. He was trying to get away and he couldn't.

Gail testifies as well, saying that she believed that he had an open marriage and it was okay and didn't realize that this was all going on like this. She said, that's what I was told. The defense tries to say that the Mercedes turning radius and other evidence indicates that she hit him only once. Her lawyers also called Gail a homewrecker and said that Clara had a marriage made in heaven and she was just trying to keep it that way. That's all. She's just a poor, poor lady here. So the prosecutors, though, using science film of the event and bloodstains and forensics and eyewitness statements, plenty of eyewitnesses reframe the whole thing and say, yeah, no, that's not what happened. And officially, Officer Rolando signs was an expert on.

He's one of the collision experts here. one of the collision experts here. He said that the turning radius made it was possible. Also said that it's possible to make tighter turns by getting the back end of the car to skid, as you make a left to drift, basically. He said he also pointed to separate and distinct blood stains on the underside of the car as evidence that Harris was run over at least two times and possibly more, scientifically. That's what he sees. Clara gets on the stand too.

Oh boy. Oh yeah. Her defense attorney had begged her not to, not to fucking get on the stand. Don't say anything. She gets on the stand when the trial breaks for lunch, the defense attorney goes out in the hallway and has to get taken to the hospital for what he calls combined effects of stress and the hallway and has to get taken to the hospital for what he calls combined effects of stress and

the flu and maybe if i stop i can convince her to not testify when i come back so they uh they talked to clara clara on there said that quote i couldn't believe he could sleep holding her all night and all that kind of shit he really she said i i signed up for liposuction i put a you know deposit down on tits i got it all man i tried i have notes with these napkins of what he told me was wrong with me whole mommy makeover i was gonna do everything i was doing it all uh she had an hour and a half she testified and um yeah she said that uh they said how did gail match up and she said quote she let him do whatever he wanted to do. And I was always the one planning things and kind of being the forceful one. And Gail was more easygoing.

So that's what she thinks. That's why she thinks that he liked her better. She said that she veered around the Navigator toward the median within the hotel parking lot. And then things got fuzzy, she said. Quote, I think I closed my eyes. After that, I didn't know who was driving. She said, everything seemed like a dream. It's all real red.

Yeah, all real red. February 14, 2003, Valentine's Day and their 11th wedding anniversary. Oh, my God. She is found guilty of murder. Unbelievable. Guilty of murder. 11 years to the day. To the day. nine women and three men on the jury there and uh guilty of murder but they also find that she acted in sudden passion yeah which rather than being you know in texas murder is kind of a big deal

uh rather than being that her sentencing can go anywhere from two years to life. Oh. If her sentence is under 10 years, her lawyers are asking for probation. They said no jail time. Yeah. Her lawyer said she's been a law-abiding citizen throughout her life. She, as a result of this verdict, will no longer have a dental practice because she loses her license because it's a felony. She is an excellent candidate for community supervision. She'll be out and be miserable with no job i think that's what we need um the only person in danger is gone now his parents support it david's parents gerald and mildred support it they said our motivation

stems from one word forgiveness this tragedy was a very strong blow against our family. We feel like a member of our family has erred, and we forgive that. We don't feel Clara intended to kill David. Wow. So the judge, let's see what they decide here. She hit him with a Mercedes three times. You, ma'am. Hey, fuck off.

20 years. She gets 20. She got 20 for that. She's very upset about that, though. I'm sure. David's parents said they were upset, too, because now the sons have no parents at all. Lindsay sues Clara. Is that right? In civil court, yeah. Oh, to be

the sole, yeah. Okay, good move. She sues her. She said that, I know know she said on the stand lindsey said she's attempted suicide four times since her father's death uh from seeing that and in court clara screamed out i'm sorry lindsey i'm so sorry baby she screamed out that's not your baby that's not yeah yeah so 2005 clara's in prison. Yeah. And she gives an interview with the Houston Chronicle. And she said that a week after, she told everyone, I didn't know what David even died of. And she was just talking about prison life.

Oh, his head got bounced underneath the undercarriage. Yeah, ran over. Three times. She meant she didn't know she hit him with a car. She didn't even know he got run over by a car. Okay. She said that she hopes to be able to visit with Lindsay, her stepdaughter, at some point. She really wants to.

She said they have to get up at 3 o'clock in the morning and breakfast is at 3.30 a.m. So she said that's kind of rough. 2007, Mildred and Gerald Harris, David's parents, Gerald Harris, they file a civil suit for $5 million against her. Really? Yep. I guess because you can file against her insurance probably, her insurance company. And they have to raise these kids now.

Right. Yeah. They filed a civil suit. During it, she was weeping, Clary, screaming out, I'm sorry, Millie. I'm so sorry to his mom while she was on the stand. Mildred is testifying against her. And Mildred described in detail seeing her son just, you know, a couple hours before he was run over and all that kind of thing. And, yeah, she said, I was grieving and praying.

I just couldn't stand seeing him. And she described her husband breaking down and crying. And they said Clara just had her head on the table, just miserable. She testified, but she said she still loves her daughter-in-law, Mildred said. But I don't love what happened. She says, though, she has continued to correspond with Clara, even though the lawsuit's pending and everything. She's continued to talk to her about the kids.

Clara takes the fifth on the stand. Is that right? She takes, yeah, that's what her attorney told her to do. Their attorney said, because it's a civil suit, in a criminal suit, you can't say, they're hiding behind the Fifth Amendment. Not allowed to do that. In a civil suit, you can say,

they're hiding behind the Fifth Amendment. You're allowed to do that. So they do. They say she's hiding behind the Fifth Amendment, and they repeatedly said she, you know, she fucking ran him over because he was having an affair. So the verdict comes out and it is she is found obviously negligent and is told to pay three point seven five million dollars to the parents. They called it an equitable decision. They said we had the opportunity to tell the story of what a good man our son was,

and now the door is closed. All she had to do was divorce him. That's it. That's all. And that's what the jury forewoman said. She could have stopped, and she didn't stop. She kept running him over. That's all.

So she's in prison. In 2018, Clara is released on parole. Oh, my God. She's let out because she has a 20 year sentence so a lot of times if you keep her the whole 20 then you can't watch her at all afterwards but if you let her out five years early at least you have her on parole at that point and if she fucking kills somebody else you can you know you can get her back in real quick but 2023 this year just about two months ago Clara's parole is is over, her 20 years is up, and she is a free and clear woman walking around out there.

Holy shit. Very recently, as of a couple months ago. Do not cheat on that woman. Don't. Actually, you can cheat on her, but then once she catches you or once you confess to it and you say you're ending it, fucking end it. She'll get her tits done. She doesn't doesn't care yeah she'll do whatever you want she's cool like fuck

man uh wow so there there you go there's clara and david and gail and julie and this one and that one and lesbians and the mall and nine west there it all is everybody i hope chuck and steve's lives are miserable. You know they probably are living great lives, those two, too. They're probably like, woo! They got golf memberships and shit. Either way, Gale still probably has wonderful tits,

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