Small Town Murder - #398 - I Just Needed To See Blood - Liberty, New York

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

This week, in Liberty, New York, a sitcom like living arrangement turns out to not be such a hilarious situation, when a mother, her grown daughter have a middle of the night confrontation that seemingly starts over loud music, dancing, and possibly witchcraft. But it ends with with one of the most horrifying murders we've ever covered, and accusations of evil spirits, that needed to be freed! Also, a disturbing confession that will leave anyone that hears it shaking their head!!Along the way, we find out that the town of Liberty is VERY into the 4th of July, that you shouldn't tell someone you think is a witch to stop dancing, and that sometimes the reasons for a crime can be crazier than the crime!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It happens. Business is business. Moving on. Now, I think it's time to get into this. What do you say? I think it's time for everybody, wherever you are. I don't care where you are. I really don't.

It does not matter where you are. You're checking out at the supermarket. That's where you're at. The grocery store. Bleep, bleep, bleep. Stop that. Climb up onto the little whatever that is a little check writing platform we don't use anymore no no no the thing with the the conveyor belt hop up on the conveyor

belt keep going like it's a treadmill arms to the sky and shout shut up and give me murder all right jimmy let's go on a trip let's go let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip. Let's go. Let's do this. We are going this week to New York. So we're coming out of the south where we were last week, I believe, for our express. And we are going to Liberty, New York. Liberty?

Liberty, New York. It's west of me. Western over the Hudson to the west. Near the lakes? West Virginia, New York. Not that far. Not that far. In the kind of the App. Near the lakes? West Virginia, New York. Not that far. Not that far. In the kind of the Appalachian section over there,

I like to call it, kind of the Pennsylvania belt there. So Liberty, New York, it's about two hours and five minutes to Albany. Okay. About two hours and ten minutes to New York City. So it's kind of... Okay. Oh, it's a bit out.

Yeah, it's just kind of over from me to the west there. So far from the city, you're not going, though. No, it's not really... It's not bit. Oh, yeah. It's it's just kind of over for me to the west there. So far from the city. You're not going, though. No, it's not really. It's not that commutable, really. It's not that type of place. It's you're you're out there.

It's you live in liberty. So it's about two and a half hours from Chadwick's New York, which was our last New York episode, which was the word of death. The cult, the whole church cult. That was a crazy episode. So, by the way, this town's Web site says they 90 minutes from manhattan and that's not true at all even if taresh is driving that's not true taresh is the guy driver is not tonight who drives me home from the airport he's this awesome guy from georgia not the state the country and he's insane and he can get me home from jfk in like an hour 20 and it's impressive it's really i mean it's he's impressive man i swear he makes the he makes his suv fly at

some points he's crazy no no regard for law body anything just doesn't just yours i mean if my time is all he cares about that that he that he had to crash he'd make sure that whatever seat you're in is intact oh it's intact yeah that's the thing he's gonna get you there he's gonna go it's good it's good yeah it's great thank you high five love that guy so anyway population here 10 146 so not a big place at all. Median income here is below average. It's $39,851 a year, which is $15,000 below average. Median home price also below average, $236,500. Holy. Because this is, like I said, it's out there on its own.

So the little history quickly. The town of Liberty is credited with providing 303 men who fought in the American Revolution. Oh. This town. Yeah, Liberty was carved from a larger township at that point called Lumberland. Oh. Wow, you know what they do there, I guess. Sounds like a discount lumber store.

Really? Lumberland, come on down. We got two-by-fours. Come on down, get your board feet here, buddy. We got board stretchers. Oh, my goodness. So the farms at one point, there's farms here, and then they were cleared out. And so tanneries came in for a long time.

That ran through the Civil War era. And then dairy farming came in after that. So it went from farming to tanning to dairy farming in like 100 years. Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting then they would have a lot uh they tried to have hotels here and make this like a summer resort town for people from the city bed and breakfast yeah come up here it's quiet come relax yeah it's quaint there's a lot of towns up here that did that a lot of places on yeah get out of all that noise and all the dirty city stuff and come up here.

So they have a bunch of, in Liberty, the Village of Liberty, within it, there's a lot of smaller hamlets, they call them. Sure. Ferndale, Parksville, Swan Lake. Swan Lake is here. Oh, yeah. And White Sulphur Springs, which sounds disgusting. Gross. Don't put Sulphur in your name if you want anybody to go there.

No. So the Village of Liberty, though, wasn't incorporated until 1870. So it was a little bit later. But, yeah, they're plugging along. And they've just kind of been, like a lot of these towns, they've just kind of maintained over the years. So reviews of this town. Let's find out what other people think about it. Five stars.

Here's one. Great place to raise a family okay my family and i moved to liberty new york in 2018 my kids love it and their school i'm fond of the relaxed lifestyle this town offers very relaxed but do the kids know any better you know what i mean they're very relaxed jimmy it doesn't matter it's quiet quiet. It snows a lot, but everyone is friendly. Well, those things have nothing to do with each other. No. Those things don't belong in the same sentence.

I guess the snow hasn't frustrated everybody into fistfights yet. I suppose. But would correlate that there's something that they got this. But that. No, this is just. No. Okay. The police department is

located in front of the elementary school which makes me feel good knowing that the local authorities are close to the school if need be if the kids get out of hand yeah four stars well rounded town with many things to do that surround the magnificent elementary middle and high school magnificent jimmy they're magnificent um there are many low-income housing that is really an amazing value for what you will receive this is a perfect area to start or continue your life start or do you have any other besides end your life are there any other choices besides to say this is a good place to blow your brains out in a motel six what's happening uh everywhere is what you're doing yeah that's just start or continue things everywhere wow that's mind-boggling uh this town i'm frustrated already with the snow guy this

person three stars it's a little off the radar and doesn't seem to have a very educated population. It has a lot of drug problems, but not much violence. And the nature is beautiful. That's good. Uh, great for outdoors people,

especially if you're on, if you're a drug person and you're an outdoors, if you're like an outdoorsy drug addict, there's no better place in the country. No better place. It's also very cheap to live around here. Well, yeah. There's nothing there.

That's why. One star. Extremely rural. Not accessible if you don't have a reliable means of transportation. There's no subways up there. Any major chain store is 45 plus minutes away, including

CVS or Target target it's an older community with no social activities for the not elderly taxis cost a fortune you're in the middle of nowhere you have to have a car sorry shit loads of bridge and pinochle nothing for me i don't know what to do here man please do not move here is the last one things to do very quickly the liberty fourth of july as you might imagine the fourth of july is quite a big deal around here the northeast really does it big with the fourth of july yeah but holy fuck the town of liberty who their main claim to fame is we sent 303 people to the revolutionary cause is a they're huge here so 306 people here yeah we had 312 so it was the rest is just we left a few everybody under 11 so it was real town didn't

run well for a while the northeast man that fourth of july runs for fucking two weeks oh they love it yeah they're excited it's summer too yay it's not cold out anymore. Dead of it, too. Right in the middle. Yeah. We got a long way to go before this is over. They celebrate this with a car show, of course, a classic car show, because nothing says freedom like a classic car show. So they have bands as well. The Other Band is playing. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's that. The Other Band. They're playing. And also Games and Bouncy and bouncy houses so come on out sounds awful there we go that's oh there's a rain date for that that's set for july 8th so we'll have the fourth of july at some point in case it rains that day yeah then that'll be the fourth of. Yeah. So let's talk about a murder. What do you say, Jimmy? Let's do it.

Let's do it. Buckle up, everybody. This is one of these that is brutal and terrible and just a wild case. And it's very weird because there's so much crazy involved that it's hard. It's almost like the crazy leaked over into the case. It's hard to process the whole thing. It's so strange. So let's do our best here.

Let's talk about a lady, first of all, an older lady, a woman named Amelia Vogel. And Amelia Vogel is born July 10th, 1923. So she'd be 100 nextth, 1923. Oh. So she'd be 100 next month if she was. No shit. Yeah, 100 is old. So she's born in Lima, Peru here, Amelia. She came to America pretty early on, I believe, pre-World War II. So when she was younger.

Yeah, when she was young. She married. She has a husband named Carol with a K. K-A-R-E-L-l vogel oh and uh yeah that's interesting yeah i don't know if he's from somewhere else yeah that's that seems just the spelling of that seems european yeah yeah that's that's yeah that's that's like a dutch or something i'm not saying it's dutch but i mean it's not it doesn't seem american like we'll name him Carol. K-A-R-E-L.

What? I do like a man named Carol. I like it. That's fine. Archie Bunker was a Carol O'Connor. Was he? Yeah, Carol O'Connor's his name. Oh, shit.

Oh, the real guy. The real guy, yeah. Got it, okay. What'd you think? Archie Bunker had an alias in the show? He was really a spy? I thought Archie maybe was a nickname. Archie Bunker's my nickname, but my real name is

Carol O'Connor. That's why I have a nickname, because my name is Carol. I pretend to be a racist blue-collar guy in Queens, but actually I'm a CIA agent that's infiltrated foreign... I'm Agent Carol. Agent Carol here.

So, wow. They have a daughter. They have two children. They have a son named Dennis, and they have a daughter named Jessica. And Jessica's born in 1957, and she'll end up, I believe, her name ends up being Melchick. M-E-L-chick. Yeah, so Jessica Melchick. She's born in 1957, and there's Dennis, of course. melchick she's born in 1957 and there's dennis of course now dennis in he moves away at some point and in 1987 he's murdered in california jesus yeah so that's that's a uh big deal for the family obviously families when they have a tragedy like that one of the kids gets murdered it kind of

it changes the whole dynamic of the family and the whole the way everybody acts it changes everything it really does it's brutal so you know that's tough on everybody and then carol dies in 1993 as well oh no i mean just jessica and her mom just jessica and her mom he was like 80 years old at the time he was born in the 19 teens carol so the guy he put in his time he Yeah, he had a good run, let's just say. He sure did. Good for you, Carol. Good for you, Carol. 93, he dies, and so it's just Jessica and Mom.

And at that point, Jessica's 36 years old, and she has two children as well. And it seems like she must be divorced or something because her name has changed to Melchik. So I feel like she was married at some point. Yeah. And now she moves in with her mom. So I feel like she's probably not married at that point. And she has two children. And one of them, as of 2003, is a teenage girl that lives there that she shares a room with.

So there's a lot going on. And it's weird, too, because I'll talk about the house. But Amelia, the mom, she worked at Kutcher's Hotel in Kiamesha Lake for years and years and years. She retired. She was like a career waitress there oh probably one of those places that has a lot of tourists and they probably should probably make good money you know is that new york yeah yeah it's up in that area yeah it's one of those resorts sure upstate new york if you drive around off the beaten path you'll find like these crazy resorts

that are like beautiful where the fuck did that come from? Yeah, there's a couple within a half hour of me that are like, how is this in the middle of the woods? And how do all these people know about it? Like all these rich people know about this shit. Do they send you a list when you start making a certain amount of money? They send you like, here's places you should go where other people go of your ilk.

Is that it? I hope we're successful enough to get that. I've never, yeah. That'd be a weird magazine to get in the mail you know places you should go monthly yeah oh shit look at this wow did you know that there's a that's really nice fuck 1800 a night and up monthly yeah yeah shit you can't afford monthly ha ha fuck the broke well that's that's the title they put on it so no broke people look at it and get mad that's the thing they're like oh shit i can't afford never mind and they don't even look at it they're like yeah that keeps the riffraff from coming here if you say

beautiful shit then you know poor people are going to want to come here we can't tell them it's beautiful what are you doing shit hole monthly. Nobody's reading that except for guys that are looking to jerk off. Poor people might go, ooh, I can afford that. Good. If I'm, you know, I've been there where if I'm looking for a vacation, I'm like, well, Shithole Monthly is probably about where I'm going to be. It's my range. So, now they lived in the area, Amelia and Carol and everybody, for 47 years.

Wow. As of 2003. So it's been a long time everybody's been here. They moved here when the kids were younger. Their house was built in 1961, I believe, or 1962. So I'm going to say that's probably when they moved here. Pretty new house, too. Yeah, probably.

They probably moved into it brand new, I bet. A new house, a new neighborhood, that sort of deal. Now, Jessica. Let's talk about Jessica. Okay. Now, her dad died, but her dad died older and she's an adult. So that's to be expected. It happens.

In 93. That happens. The brother dying, again, that could be very, you know, that's, yeah, that could be traumatic for anybody. But again, she was also 30 at the time. So it's tough and it's traumatic, but it's not like if it happened to a nine year old, you know, where their older sister died or older brother or something. So as of 2003 or as of the 2000s, Jessica's living with Amelia. She's got some problems. She has a long history pre Dennis being murdered and everything like that, of severe mental illness.

Oh? I'm talking fine one minute. She needs antipsychotic drugs or bad things will happen type of shit. She has some personality defects. Oh, my goodness. Bipolar shit. I'm not going to diagnose her. No, she's diagnosed later bipolar and schizophrenic here during this time period.

So she's got a lot of issues. Episodes of psychosis that happen quite often. She has been hospitalized several times for her illness just to get her back on track. And she's supposed to always be on antipsychotic medications. Very, very strong ones from what I can understand here. So when she's not on her medication, anything can happen pretty much. That is proven in November of 2001 when the Liberty Police Department are called to her home,

Jesus Christ, after she impaled herself with a samurai sword on purpose she took a samurai and ran herself through like a fucking Japanese businessman who took the firm down just emptied the retirement fund

absolutely yeah cleaned it out for like prostitutes and drugs and shit like that's that's what she did she owes the yakuza money yeah said screw it somehow she missed all vital all major vital organs and major blood vessels holy shit running a samurai sword through herself. She came out fine after that. I have so many questions. Why is one of those in the house with somebody that's obviously unstable?

I don't know if she picked one up for this purpose or if it was like a, you know, decorative. Some people have like a sword on the wall. You know what I mean? I don't know. Amelia's a big Bruce Lee fan. Well, this, I think she was on her own at this point, Jessica. Okay. I think she was living by herself at this point.

So who knows if she's into, I don't know. And that's maybe one of those things you pick up over time. Some old boyfriend left it. You know what I mean? When he lived there for like three weeks. Yeah. He's like, I'm going to bring all my stuff. I'm going to bring all my underwear and swords over.

Yeah. like three weeks yeah he's like i'm gonna bring all my stuff i'm gonna bring all my underwear and swords over and we'll just he just comes over him out burned all his shit but the samurai sword doesn't burn so he moved in with a duffel bag and a samurai sword that's what he came with he's that guy you know that guy an a drumstick no drums pair, just one. And three beers on a six-pack holder. Same hand as the samurai sword. Three beers and plastic rain. That's right. That's the one. Just dangling.

Too funny. Off two fingers. I didn't want my old landlord to keep these. I've cleaned my fridge out, too, before I left. Pulls that, holds that up and pulls a box of baking soda out of his back pocket. An expired ketchup. An expired three ketchup packets. Yeah, packets from McDonald's.

And half of a pork fried rice in a fucking, because that's the stereotypical, you know, he's got to have a Chinese food thing in there of some kind. Like, make it gun style. Yeah. So, she's an interesting lady, let's just say, Jessica, who obviously needs to be kept an eye on. I would say so, yeah. You know, make sure that she's taking her medication because she can obviously be a danger to herself here that's that's a solid suicide attempt if you impale yourself you're asking for trouble i feel like you're not you're looking to end it yeah you're

looking to end it so by 2003 i don't know if it's because of this incident she moves in with her mother or could be a catalyst to need some eyes on her. Exactly. Mom said, hey, you should probably move in with me or however it works. But she ends up moving in with her mother and also her teenage daughter lives with her as well. I'm not sure. Yeah. I'm not sure if Jessica's son lives there also, but I know her daughter lives there because she shares a room with her daughter with her teenage daughter, which has to be. That's difficult. Teenage daughters and mothers have a

tough time already if they're living in the same room i don't know what's gonna happen yeah that's holy my daughter and i get along great i adore she adores me she's still a daddy's girl if i had to be in the same room as her oh god all the time forget it Imagine she was 16. Oh, I'd hate her. Yeah. Oh, shit. So this is 66 Willie Avenue in Liberty. And so mom and daughter live in the house like a sitcom with the kid coming in and out. This is a sitcom that we have. Mom's 79 years old.

Amelia's 79 years old. Jessica's in her 40s here, and she's got her teen daughter living. This is absolutely like a bad sitcom. Yeah, three generations of gash on ABC. Yeah. The Gilmore Hags on ABC. No, I'm just kidding. I'm not saying they're hags.

I'm just saying that's what – I'm trying to make it different. So that's what's happening here. So now, wow. Amelia, everybody says loving mother, good friend, that sort of thing. Everyone said she refused to give up on Jessica. I don't know what giving up on her would entail. She's mentally ill. She's not a crackhead where you're like, listen, I tried, but she just keeps going out on the street and smoking crack.

She's mentally ill. She's got an issue, right? Yeah. So she doesn't give up on her, and she says keeps going out on the street and smoking crack. She's mentally ill. She's got an issue, right. Yeah, so she doesn't give up on her, and she says, you know, move in with me instead. And I guess all of her friends would say, no, you can't do that. You're an old lady. You're in your retirement. You can't have some. Right. You're mentally ill.

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We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on max starting april 21st bye bye the official jinx podcast listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts so they live there and i looked up the house it's a four bedroom three bath So I don't get why they're sharing a goddamn room. Does she still have all of Carol's shit in two of the rooms? That's what I don't get. A lot of storage. I don't know what's going on because I know Amelia has her own room. So that's one bedroom and the girls share another.

And even if the son does live there and that's another bedroom, there's still a fourth bedroom. So what are we talking about here? What's going on? Why are they sharing a room? Amelia will not give up that sewing room. She's gonna do it she will not do it listen i worked a long time on my feet slinging hash to get this sewing room i'm gonna cross stitch and sew to my heart's content and i'm not gonna let any of you crazy impaling motherfuckers getting my way. So 1,522 square feet the house is. So it's not a tiny house, but it's not a giant house either.

And we'll talk about the house more later. February 16, 2003. Okay. Let's set the scene. Like I said, they all live in the house. Now the daughter, Jessica's daughter, is away for the night on this night. She's staying with a friend. Staying in a friend's house

so at 5 11 a.m a call is placed to 9-1-1 which is not a good time for 9-1-1 call even even 9-1-1 when they see 5-11 it rings they go oh boy this isn't gonna be you know this isn't somebody blew their hand off with a firecracker and we need, this is bad. This is going to be ugly. So this isn't a fun accident or anything like that. So they came rushing to the residential neighborhood where they're called, and we'll talk about what happens when they get there. Now, the Liberty Ambulance Corps members are there, and what they find is some wild shit.

Okay. They find, now, Amelia's bedroom's across the hall from Jessica and her daughter's bedroom. Okay. And it had been recently repainted and her mother hadn't slept in there lately. She's been sleeping in another room

or on the couch or something because her room just got repainted so it still smelled like paint. The fumes, yeah. The fumes. And for an older lady, too, to go in that room. So it's very so it still smelled like paint. The fumes, yeah. The fumes. And for an older lady, too, to go in that room. So it's very sensitive.

Yeah, like her bed, everything's still covered in the plastic from the paint and all that kind of shit. It looks like Dexter's about to come in there and take care of a serial killer. Lots of shit tape and thin plastic. Yeah, that's all it is. So there's that shit fucking bad masking tape that doesn't work on anything but plastic. Nothing. Just flimsy plastic. But holy shit, will it stick to that plastic? It won't come off ever.

No, never. So middle of the night, Jessica decides she wants to play the radio. She wants to hear some music in the middle of the night. Now, Amelia, being a 79-year- year old woman is more into sleeping at that time of night yeah than she is so here comes amelia down the hallway barges into jessica's room like she's a 16 year old yeah and starts yelling at her to turn the damn volume down on the radio i'm trying to sleep what's wrong with you why are you acting like this you know what i mean it's two o'clock in the morning you're playing the radio or it was like four o'clock in the morning. You're playing the radio. Or it was like 4 o'clock in the morning at this point.

You're playing the radio. What's wrong with you? And Jessica, when she walked in, Jessica was dancing. She's playing the radio and dancing in the middle of the night. Wow. Which, you know, that's if you're bipolar and you're having a manic episode a little bit. And you might have a little extra energy to burn off at 4 o'clock in the morning. Middle of the night people understand this. You what i'm saying i get it i don't know what my issue is but i just that's my issue so she's dancing her mother says amelia says you shouldn't be dancing in the middle

of the night you should be sleeping yeah solid yeah solid point point but she's also like 45 years old so and she also shouldn't be doing a lot of things that she probably does. That's what I mean. Put some headphones on. If I'm Amelia, rather than try to fix the whole here of you should be sleeping, you shouldn't be doing this, let's fix the problem of it's loud so I can't sleep. Put some headphones on. You want to dance, I'm going to wash my hands of it and go back to sleep. Pick your battles. You know to dance. I'm going to wash my hands of it and go back to sleep. Pick your battles.

You know what I mean? Yeah. That's about this. Let's solve you needing this and not wanting this. Yeah, absolutely. And even if the person is having an issue that you're talking to, they can understand it's loud. So sleeping is hard that they can process. Whereas you should be sleeping and not dancing is a challenge to their personal you know

ethics at that point so amelia then accuses jessica of witchcraft oh yeah apparently that's she she starts saying that she's got like spirits in her type of deal you know and she's from peru so there's you know i don't know what the different Peru voodoo. No, not even that. I don't know. I Peru who Peru who Peru do. Yeah, I like Peru. So I don't know. Not even that.

But like, I don't know what kind of like legends or, you know, that sort of thing. Like she might have said, like, you're like this, you know, that's Peruvian. I have no idea. Chupacabra in you. Exactly. So that would be the hillbilly version of whatever we're talking about but she said she doesn't approve of your witchcraft in your middle of the night dancing or this music this sucks can you turn off lay down shut your

eyes well jessica jessica's like i will not shut asa base off at all it will not happen she's been bumping it's the sign and I will not stop. It opened up as I saw it. Get the fuck out of my room. Don't turn around. You're gonna see my ass dancing. It's 2003 though?

It's 2003, but Jessica's like 45. She's not listening to brand new music. She's rocking Ace of Picks. She's hanging on to it. Let's be honest here. She's getting the blowfish going. That's next. She's rocking Ace of Pace. She's hanging on to it. Let's be honest here. She's moving the blowfish going. Yeah, that's next. She's got that next on the eight disc changer that she's got up there. Oh, man.

Let's go. Let's do it. So this is obviously a weird scene. And Jessica told her mother that she's not tired and she's not doing witchcraft. Leave me alone. I'm dancing because I'm not tired witchcraft has nothing to do with it whatever then she tries to hug amelia which she's dancing around amelia's like freaked out by her why what the fuck you're playing the radio and dancing in the middle of

the night i think you're doing witchcraft jessica's like i'm not doing witchcraft come on give me a hug like she's like all very up you know what i mean like very up and amelia said tried to push her away and said i want to go to sleep get away from me i'm going to sleep now and jessica um and she said she wanted to go to sleep and she said i'm going to sleep in here with you so we'll both go to sleep amelia said that's her way of getting jessica to stop playing the radio and dancing we'll just both sleep in the same bed here. So this is she's saying, what do you Jessica said? I don't want to do that. And Jessica said, well, I want to leave the light on.

Amelia's like, I don't want to leave the light on. OK, so then Jessica tries to kiss her on the cheek and say she loves her is what she's what she says. And she told Amelia that Jesus loves her, too. OK, I love you jesus loves you fucking you know witchcraft loves you it's all whatever love it's all coming to you so amelia pulls away and says she's going to call somebody because jessica's crazy she says you're crazy i'm calling somebody you need help again which this has happened a lot. She's been hospitalized quite a bit. So I feel like if Amelia calls about Jessica, they're going to be like, oh, Jessica again?

Yeah, we'll be there in five. You know what I mean? It's one of those deals. So she said she didn't like the way Jessica looked. She said she didn't like the look in her eye. Okay. This is what Jessica says here. She said she didn't like the look in her eye.

is what Jessica says here. She said she didn't like the look in her eye. So Jessica asked her mother to tell her she loved her and loved Jesus, but she wouldn't. She just said, you're acting crazy. I'm going to call somebody. So now the room is dark because Amelia turned the light off when she said let's go to sleep. So the argument is taking place near the door to the hallway.

So there's light coming in from there. The argument then escalates to them bickering back and forth about this whole thing. You're crazy. No, I'm not. You're a witch. No, I'm not. Stop dancing. I want to go to sleep. They're going back and forth. Jessica backs

her mother across the hall. Amelia backs up into Amelia's bedroom where it's just freshly painted. Jessica kept trying to hug her mother and kiss her on the cheek, apparently. And Amelia kept pushing her off and resisting. She was afraid of her, apparently. So then Jessica wrestles Amelia to the floor near the bed. I will kiss you.

You will feel the love of your child now you to absorb my physical affection wow that is something so that's what's going on they're on the floor now the bled the bled the bed covered in plastic wrap again remember a plastic tarp because of the paint job and on the television in the corner of the room there was a can of disinfectant sitting there for some reason old ladies like to disinfect they spray they spray everything two germs and they're dead that's why it's scary being an 80 year old lady i'd be terrified yeah i'd carry that shit around yeah all the time i'd carry that shit around i'd spray people up hold on there you go i don't know what

you got in new york and upstate new york has been uh monster couponing for a year since i was a fucking 10 and she has more i bet she has more lysol in her house than a lysol factory and she got it super fucking cheap it's everywhere they have pine salt and lysol it's all miniature ones big ones it's crazy crazy. All of it. Yeah, you never know when you're going to have to take it with you. Mobile lice salt. She wants to be buried with it. So a wooden sliding closet door was left off its tracks by the painter,

so they could paint near it, and it was propped up near the sliding glass door that leads to the outside. There's a porch outside the master bedroom. Jessica at this point is now kneeling on her mother's back and Amelia's face down on the floor. Oh, boy. Okay. 79. So Jessica kept yelling at her to say that you love me and you love Jesus.

Say that you love me and you love Jesus. Amelia started shouting, look at what your sister is doing to me, Dennis. Dennis is the dead child who the dead kid son who died and was murdered in California. So I don't know if she just screams out to that's a that's a foreigner thing because my my family will do that, too. That's like a southern not southern hemisphere, but that's like a Italians will do that. Latins will do that. You'll just You'll scream to people who have died. It's a thing that they do. My grandmother did it all the fucking time.

Her relatives. They just scream at people who have been dead for years. Why do you see what they do to me, son of a bitch bastard? My wife. You're doing this in front of your father. He died 12 years ago. What are you talking about? It'll make you come back to reality for sure because you're just like did she just say some weird shit it's

yeah it's that's that's that's a common thing though yeah so she's still on her mother's back she grabs her mother's bed for some leverage and jessica's hand slid across the comforter under the tarp while she's up there she's like and as she's feeling around up as she you know leaning on it there's a pair of scissors she feels in her hand that they used to cut plastic yeah so jessica grabs the scissors with her right hand and starts stabbing her mother in the head what the fuck while screaming at her to tell her she loves her and tell her that god is love tell me say god is love stabbing her in the head so then jessica told her mother that she was going to die and that since you're going to die you should say that you love jesus and jehovah then please turn the radio down yeah what this is it gets wow does this make you petrified to ask your kids to do fucking anything

yeah this is why when they're 45 you make sure they have their own house i guess i don't know take the trash out no all right i'll do it wow i got it don't don't sweat. Take the trash out. No. All right, I'll do it. Wow. I got it. Don't sweat it. You know what? Never mind. Jessica told her that she shouldn't forget who God is. What? Amelia just wants to not be stabbed in the head at this point.

Amelia said, was screaming out that Dennis can see what you're doing. Dennis can see what you're doing. So Jessica said, no, he can't because he's fucking dead. He's dead, Mom. Dennis is dead. You know, he pulls one of those deals. So she pulls one of those deals. So Amelia's struggling.

Jessica continues to stab her in the head with these scissors repeatedly. The whole time this is going on, it's not stab, stab, say God is love. It is repeated stabbing. Say God is love. Do it. Say as she's stabbing say god is love it is repeated stabbing say god is love do it say as she's stabbing which is crazy so wow um as her mother struggled she's stabbing her in the head jessica would later say quote it was difficult because she was struggling i can imagine that yeah i would imagine she would when amelia was still for a moment jessica takes the scissors and begins to cut off her clothes which is a bathrobe and pajamas with the scissors so it's cutting yeah cutting them off so her back

is exposed just so she can stab her in the exposed back not have to go through layers of yeah yeah holy that is insane you want to hear it get crazier i don't know no well that's what i mean um this is a lot this shit this is a whole lot this is wow she this is groundhog for breakfast level crazy here she's too much yeah pocket robin is looking at her going you need to talk to somebody you know what i mean are you good jessica gets up then and grabs a piece of grabs a night stand yeah some furniture and puts it on top of amelia to hold her down then she laid the closet door that was propped up on the wall on top of the nightstand to hold her down more wow okay stacking shit on for leverage here then oh my goodness okay uh this is a rough one here um

then she cuts off the rest of her mother's clothes her undergarments and begins stabbing her in the vagina as hard as she can and as much as she can with the scissors over and over and over and over again why would you she's got an explanation later. Don't worry. Oh, I can't wait to hear this shit. Yes. So once she decides that's enough of that, I don't know if she was tired or what, because we'll find out how many stab wounds. And it's a tiring amount of stab wounds. You have to be in a manic state to deliver this many stab wounds.

You have to be, I would assume. How do you get this rageful over turn the music down? It's got to be. She's mentally ill. This has nothing to do with that. It's issues stacked on top of each other and then weighed down with mental illness. She was in the middle of an episode and mom walked in. And that was bad.

So if you see her light on at 4 a.m., you just ignore it, I think, at that point. Walk on by. Well, then again, maybe she's like Dion dion warwick baby walk on by so then she stops once it's she feels like she's had enough of this and she grabs the big can of disinfectant and sprays it all over her mother's body oh sprays her all down with disinfectant to To make her clean? Well, no, because she said, quote, everything smelled. I think that's a mental thing, I think. She's having a mental. I mean, that's like if you see things or smell things, that's a hardcore break.

Also, blood smells bad. Blood also, yeah. Stabbing the shit out of somebody smells bad as well. Then she stopped stabbing, she said, at 511 and just decided to call 911 is what she said. She called and said, I need an ambulance for my mother. She was calm and the dispatcher said, how come? And she said, well, there's been a stabbing. That's an understatement.

So the police, like I said i said post haste they come over here for this one they arrive within minutes because it's also nothing is going on it's 5 11 in the morning so an officer asked jessica what happened and jessica said quote i stabbed her i had to do it okay i had to do it no choice the cop The cop said, stabbed who? And she said, it's my mother. She's up in her room. And he said, well, where's the knife? And she just said, I didn't use a knife. I used scissors.

Oh, God, Jesus. Now she's just straight. Just facts. Yep, just the facts, ma'am. She's delivering them. She's completely calmed down now. It's crazy. So police found the scissors still in amelia

um yeah so at that point at 5 20 she's read her rights once they realize this is true and you know all this is going on she's taken to the village police station for a formal statement here here uh by the way the over 120 stab wounds 120 yeah you you have to be either in you killed my baby rage or in a serious manic episode to to have the energy to stab anybody 120 times it's just that's that's crazy that's so many fucking times But we've done this before. Make a stabbing motion 120 times. Right. It's tiring. It's a lot. It's a lot. So they get down to the station and they said to her, did your mother say anything else while you were stabbing her? Quote, she said, you know, you're killing me. You know, you're killing me and stuff. Yeah, you know, the typical when you're stabbing someone 120 times. You're killing me, ouch, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Wow. They said, did you intend to kill your mother last night? And she said, quote, I didn't plan to, but I couldn't stop after I started. I wanted to kill her. It got good to me. It got good to me it got good to me that's all it is they said well why did you stab your mother in the groin yeah because i think that's where they i believe that's where they found the scissors so she said quote to destroy sin for life i don't know what that means i don't know what to destroy sin for life means when asked why you're

because it's between this and the reviews no one in this town makes any sense i'm just gonna say that no one no one makes a fucking lick of sense so far we have not she she should have i've run myself through with a samurai blade so take that and everything else I'm about to say. Great. What it is. Hardcore grain of salt here. Just to let you know, because. Sin for life.

To destroy sin for life. And the cop, I'm sure, went, all righty. Next question. Put that down. I mean, sin for life. Okay. That's what she said. Sin for life. Do you remember that's what she said sin for life do you

remember how many times you stabbed your mother okay the answer to this is chilling quote no i just needed to see blood what i just needed to see blood what are you freddy krueger what the fuck is happening but i imagine after one you there was blood you got what you needed to see he was yeah 120 there's a lot of blood oh my enough to kill a woman that's crazy so police go ahead and tell her you're you're under arrest i don't know if you realize that or not she said she knew she goes i know obviously oh yeah i figured i'm crazy but i'm not stupid you know what i'm saying and she said what's the charge what what's the charge it's vagina stabbing that's the charge is that a statute because it should be we're gonna go

with extreme murder well 120. 120 counts of murder. Yeah, lots of murder. So the cop is silent for a second. She said, is my mother dead? Like, is it murder or not? So the police, the cop said, it appears so. Yeah, it looks like she's pretty dead. So Jessica then lets out a sigh and says, I should have waited on calling the ambulance until I was sure she was dead.

What does that mean? Even though she is dead, she's like, I fucked that up. I should have waited a while, made sure she was dead, then called the ambulance. Then I wouldn't have to ask that question. Could have saved myself some time. Does that mean she wants to stab her more? She just wants to make sure she was dead. Yeah.

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and ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts so she signs it's a three page formal statement that she signs okay three pages the whole thing those are the highlights of the you know sin for life and fucking you know i needed to see blood this is this might be the craziest part of this whole thing three pages long this is you're gonna shit when you hear this on the bottom of each page is a signature line. You have to sign to say that this is your statement, right? Each time, she dotted the I in her first and last names with hearts. What?

She dotted the fucking I on her confession talking about how she needed to see blood while she was repeatedly stabbing her mother's vagina with hearts on the eyes did she fold this thing like origami to hand it to somebody she made a mash thing out of it she's like you're gonna be in a mansion uh with a bm little tab that says pull here. Yeah. Man, girls are good at that when we were teenagers. That art has got to be lost now. Oh, God.

That art is lost. I do great. Pull here and then here and a tab and shit would fall down. You'd be like, how did you do that? That's incredible. You must be amazing at paper airplanes. This is awesome. The ones that have a 3D diamond on top, too.

Oh, yeah, yeah yeah women were amazing they were girls they were like 15 they were girls but they were really good at that yeah children children children were great at that in the 90s more more of an adult than i was so you were all children jimmy children giving children notes that's what we all were in the 90s so not only does she dot the i with a heart after after her name each time she drew a little smiley face with a circle not just as eyes and a smile circle eyes nose smile did it have a little tongue not a little tongue she just drew it come on jimmy it nose, smile. Did it have a little tongue? Not a little tongue.

She just drew it. Come on, Jimmy. It's not printing. She doesn't have a stamp or anything. Hilarious. Smile. Each page. Ma'am, you just murdered your mom with scissors. The words that say terrible things are right on the page you're signing.

You fucking see them as you're doing it like this is just wow with a heart i that's the craziest thing we've heard so far somehow so the the cops don't have they say you know obviously people are interested locally of hey what what happened there they say we don't have a motive here there's no reason for this other than she wanted to kill her and she was they don't know if she was trying to draw her into the room with the radio being loud possibly to get her mom to they don't know but they don't know and they said if that's the case for what they don't have a motive everything seemed fine before that other than she's off her meds for right now and, you know, losing her fucking mind.

They're looking for any evidence of trouble in the past few weeks. Or this is from the new. This is from the police at the time, the day it happened. So they didn't know. They said we're looking for any evidence of trouble in the past few weeks or a history of mental illness on the part of either family member. Well, you're going to find a treasure trove there, I would say, because we think something's wrong. Yeah.

So February 19th, 2003. Here, this is a few days later, she is indicted here, obviously, for second degree murder. By then, her behavior had become so strange in jail that they moved her from the sullivan county jail to a secure mental hospital in upstate new york really they she went and she was too in jail they're like yeah just throw him in a cell by himself like that's how they handle that shit in jail that's how fucking whacked she was she was like she she's scaring the other inmates we gotta take her out of jail she In jail, she's too much. Yes.

She is diagnosed with, I'm sorry, not by, later on she'll say bipolar, but she's diagnosed at the time with schizophrenia and depression. Two bad things to have together. Two bad things. Yeah. So she has a little time out at the hospital for about a year. Oh. A little cool down time. Yeah. Yeah, about a year oh a little cool down time yeah for yeah about a year then they're ready for the court shit and they're talking about an insanity plea now we've talked about on this

show a million times how insanity pleas are rarely rarely actually utilized number one the judge a lot of times won't let you use that as a defense unless it's very specific. And at the same time, we never hear them working. You hear it like in the 60s and 70s, but not in modern times, not in 2004. And even when it does work, it doesn't work. No. You're not going back to your job the next day. No, certainly not. But, I mean, they send you to prison.

They don't care. But between her well-documented history, someone who runs themselves through with a samurai sword, I'm sorry, that person is mentally ill. You need to sit down. And all of her other well-documented history, her stays in hospitals and everything else like that. The county court they meet at, they have a conference at the county court. This is District Attorney Steve Lundgren, so the prosecution, Mel melchick's lawyer henry sean and the judge as well so da defense attorney judge they discussed a plea of not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect which is the insanity plea in new york and they all talked about it they said that it looks like

she's going to take the insanity plea and try to do that they said that they're going to have a hearing where a psychiatrist is going to testify and they basically said that even the prosecution said obviously there's a problem the prosecution never goes along with this no and they said this is so wacky she's obviously got such a problem that we'll listen to the psychiatrist on it basically so let them testify so they have a hearing and melchek's not even in court for it she's not even there no they don't even yeah they don't even have her there and the the da at the end says that i'm going to recommend the plea like she said even the da says she should take that plea that's it should be an insanity plea

she's insane obviously he acknowledged the sword incident with herself would make it difficult to prosecute her on a murder charge. It would be hard, yeah. Yeah, if someone says, I'm mentally ill, you go, oh, are you? And people think you're faking to get out of it. But when you go, yeah, two years ago, she impaled herself with a fucking samurai sword. People go, wow, that's crazy. Yeah, you're right. You know what?

The only reason she's here is because by the luck of dumb stupidity, she missed fucking everything. She's crazy. That show don't tell is what that is right there. Hardcore. Hardcore show don't tell. Yeah. So he said, I don't know how we're going to do that. So the DA in the defense said the concern is that Jessica needs to be hospitalized long enough for her condition to stabilize, obviously.

They said based on the past 15 months, the judge found she was competent to assist in her defense, which is a finding that is required to allow her to even take an insanity plea. Really? Before she can even go to court and do anything, she has to be sane enough to plea. Okay. That's how it works. That's a tightrope to walk. You're crazy, but we got to get you not crazy enough to say that you're crazy? Exactly, to get you in here to find it.

That's why the insanity defense never works because by the time the court happens, sometimes it's three years later. They've been on medication for three years and they're completely calmed down. And the jury goes, that person doesn't seem crazy. Meanwhile, before that, they were stark raving batshit. Whereas, so this is an interesting one. All that Lori Vallow thing is the same way. It's similar. They're very similar.

They locked her ass up and calmed her down for a while. And now everything's, now we can go forward. They have to get her sane enough to put her in a courtroom. So she, this is the insanity defense, not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. This is the insanity defense, not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. And it rests on the person being unable to understand either the nature or consequences of his or her actions or that the conduct was wrong. In New York in the last 10 years before this, it's only been used four times, five times. Wow. One guy shot his two brothers in 94.

This Robert Tortorella guy on the mid hudson bridge right by my fucking house there in poughkeepsie if you go over that one the mid hudson bridge he on purpose drove the wrong way into oncoming traffic and killed a person trying to kill himself because he was mentally ill um a woman named marie conklin in the town of walk hill which is down here too uh stabbed her three-year-old daughter to death. Another woman, 98, smothered her 91-year-old mother, I guess. What the fuck? And then some guy who was a former Orange County district attorney killed some other

guy too. So there you go. Now, in court for insanity, they call this insanity court, which is that's the TV show I want to see. Never mind this person, judge so-and-so, people's court, that court. I want to see insanity court. Show me that. Make it so, Court TV. Come on, Court TV.

Just insanity court. at her hearing here and says that Melchik thought she was saving her mother from an evil beast that possessed her when she stabbed her 120 times with the scissors. That's why she kept saying, say God is love. That would mean that her mother wasn't possessed. But the fact that she wouldn't say it meant that this evil beast, as she put it, was possessing her and keeping her from saying it. So it justified everything she was doing. So if she stabbed her in the head, that could the evil out and then that didn't work so i guess the vagina

is the center of the evil then after that yeah well it's yeah that's that's one way to put it so it's event all right so melchek he said has mood disorder and schizophrenic symptoms and melchek tells they then they get melchek finally in the courtroom they have to get her in there and the judge says what happened darling do tell yeah pray tell what happened and melchek said quote it wasn't her that i killed that night oh boy dead serious too it wasn't her that i killed that night and the judge is like oh and go on that's what that's when she was supposed to plea they said guilty not guilty insanity what's your plea and she says it wasn't her that i killed that night

the judge said i'll take that as an insanity plea literally that's what they did they go well that's the most insane thing you could have said perfect literally to say i'm insane you said it in a different way you showed without telling thank you you know what fuck man you should write screenplays really show don't tell so the district attorney asked the judge to rule that Melchick is a dangerous person so that she could be committed to a secure mental hospital for treatment. Yeah. And that's what the judge does. And she is sent to the Rockland Psychiatric Center in Orangeburg, New York.

Okay. And she'll spend the next almost 10 years there. Really? It'll be 10 years in total. She'll get out in 2003. She'll be released from the hospital just 2013 there's 2013 yeah released just into the into the population of the world yeah not of the jail of the world she's just the fuck out of here no they just said bye remember to take those meds would you And they sent her on her merry way.

Said she's fine. She's good now. And yeah. Are you fucking serious? Jimmy is frozen in time and place. His face is. If my arms were two feet longer, I could just tap his jaw and put it back up and it was in a place there. She's out in the world?

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, she gets a job at the you she's out in the world oh yeah yeah no she gets a job at the orange county community college in the cafeteria what the fuck she she worked there for four fucking years no matter what time absolutely in 2017 she's fired for their she's fired because we saw your background jack no no no because the whole staff is fired because they're automating the cafeteria. You have to be shitting me. I shit you not. Here's a, from the Ithaca journal quote, the entire cafeteria staff at an upstate New York community college will be laid off and replaced with vending machines.

The times Harold record reports that nine fulltime and three part-time workers will lose their jobs in June at the Orange County Community College in Middletown. The college is part of the State University of New York. Jessica Melchik, a food staffer for the past four years. They don't mention any of this, by the way. Listen to this. I mean, listen to the article. Jessica Melchik, a food staffer for the past four years, said workers cried when they heard about the layoffs Friday.

Did they know about you stabbing your mother in the vagina? Yeah, over telling you to turn the music down? Whoever your boss is better not sleep at night. Holy shit. And students say they'll miss the staff members and the fresh food is what Jessica said. Wow is all I have to say to that so jessica once she gets out she's very active in out there in the world as far as social media and different like mental health things like she has a mental health journal stuff she has stuff here's a poem that she wrote that is uh published on one of these mental one of these

is it called i need to see blood it's called love indoors time oh boy um quote many seasons have come and gone however love indoors time and distance i have watched my children grow up behind the jagged points of a barb. Because she's in the mental institution. My heart breaks knowing I can't smell their skin. Oh, that's creepy. Wipe away their tears, comfort them in their time of fear, and cheer them in their times of success. I saw the sign, and it opened up my eyes. I'm only kidding.

I have photos of memories long ago before the age of innocence was interrupted. Life goes on as it always does. Trial and tribulation will continue. However, my test will become my testimony. However, I hope I can let go of my young children and develop a new love and understanding with a whole new dynamic. Of a young man and young lady on the verge of realizing their full potential remember justin and britney is this about her kids or justin timberlake and britney spears and this isn't even rhyming at all no i love you both fully and unconditionally she named her kids

justin and britney i think from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul amazing bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul amazing that okay it's like well and that oh she had them that was that yeah that's what i mean well her said her daughter was older so maybe it was just a coincidence that would have been wild if you just she just happened to do that so instagram too very active on instagram um she likes to put up inspirational, you know, posters. That's her jam. That's what she posts. So I'm going to give you some choice ones that if you know her history, it's a possibly a different meaning. One is first action and reaction should be prayer rather than stabbing in the vagina. So that's good. That's interesting. Happy moments, praise God. Difficult moments, seek God.

Painful moments, trust God. Every moment, thank God. Oh, for heaven's sake. Wow, she forgot that at some point there. Yeah. Let's see here. I'm learning to trust the journey even when I do not understand it. Well, we don't understand anything there.

I don't understand how they could release her. I don not understand it. Well, we don't understand anything there. I don't understand how they could release her. I don't understand that. The only thing you can take from me is notes. There's one. Don't take her meds. Just as long as you let her have her meds, I don't care what you take. If you want to know how to murder someone,

take notes. Wow. Don't let anybody tell you what you can or cannot do a pair of scissors solves everything fuck you want that radio on you keep it on it's often a reflection of their own fears and blocks or an evil beast they're possessed by you never know it's your journey not theirs go for it dream big oh wow um yikes one day at a time is all we should be dealing with we can't go back to yesterday and we can't control tomorrow so live for today she's just spitting out hr quotes that are on the wall in your in the team meeting room now now here is one here is uh a bob marley quote

with a picture of Bob Marley there. Stop it. The greatness of man is not how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively. And not murder them, possibly. Here's a Dolly Parton one here with her Dolly in the background. If you see somebody without a smile, give them yours. Oh. If you see somebody without a smile give them yours oh you see somebody without a smile stab their vagina darling um here we go um i'm just janice joplin allegedly here i'm just doing what

i wanted to do and what feels right and not settling for bullshit and it worked. How can they be mad at that? I don't like that at all. No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say that. Oh, my God. And possibly the worst one, just dance to the beat in your soul. Oh, no.

But if anybody knocks. No. But if anybody knocks on the door you stab their vagina to death clear the fuck out when she's dancing wow that is the dance floor yeah dance floor is yours my dear clear out like your travolta and saturday night fever i don't it's all yours treat her like turbo and ozone and let her have it. Holy balls, man. So St. Peter's Cemetery is where Amelia Vogel is buried.

Jessica, I don't know what she's doing or where she is. We'll leave her alone and not. Don't bother her. Do not. Do not DM that woman. Yeah, yeah. Don't, don't. Leave her alone. The house, the murder house here 66 willie avenue there's a house

called there's a site called house creep that has like you know houses with dark histories and shit like that i kind of like it but it feels a little little gross yeah i mean we've done an episode of haunted house you know houses for sale that have histories and shit so this house has sold four times since 2003. Well, it was sold because of all the issues and everything. It was sold the first time in 2006 by the family. It took three years. It just sold in 2021, too.

So in the last 15 years, it has sold four times, which is a lot for a house to turn over. So I don't know if there's some weird shit going on there or what. It sold for $146,000 in 2006. It sold for, oh, $500 in 2010. That must have been linked to a family member. Then it was sold for $25,000 in 2011. Another family thing? Maybe it got redone.

Maybe it got completely remodeled. I'm not sure. But then it was finally sold in 2021 for $141,000. So it is not gaining value in any scratch. In 2006, it was $146,000. That was the height of that real estate boom, too, though. And then it crashed. So it was worth jack shit in 2008, 9, 10.

Probably $500. Probably $500. And it might have been that it might have been abandoned and that might have been your the fee to buy it from the city also because like i remember when detroit had all their problems you could buy like you know almost 100 bucks or whatever a six family home for the price of the paperwork it was like 380 or some shit you know so there you go everybody that's liberty new york and like i said when i say insane i'm not lying about that shit that was 10 years for it 10 years 10 years in the hospital and that's it and she's out 10 years and one flew over that that's so easy that is i mean it's it's

not 40 in state prison i tell you that much. Yeah. That's a lot. So, wow. Take whatever you will from that. I mean, mental illness is a motherfucker, obviously. It sure is, yeah. I think, obviously, she's mental. I don't think she's one of these people who was, like, faking mental illness. She's mentally ill, very mentally ill, and I hope she stays on her medication and does well.

And I'm happy she didn't. May you all remain safe in upstate New York. Yeah. There you go. I'm happy she didn't kill any kids. Yeah. That's what I'm happy you all remain safe in upstate New York yeah there you go I'm happy she didn't kill any kids that's what I'm happy about honest I mean not that that's whatever but someone's 80 let's be honest you know that's tragic but it's not as tragic as a 14 year old who has their whole life ahead of them so you know that's what I'm saying here not to take away from an 80 year old but there we go if you like that show or you liked how we told that crazy batshit story tell the world about it get on whatever app you're listening on, Apple Podcasts, Audible, this one, that one.

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