Small Town Murder - #40 - Six Unthinkable Things in Norwalk, Iowa

Episode Date: October 18, 2017

This week, we look into the noticeably middle of the road town of Norwalk, Iowa, where the police were powerless to stop an inevitable horror that would take place in a quiet home, despite the all the warning signs in the world. The murders are mind boggling, and the defense is even crazier!Along the way, we find out just how rich you can get off of corn, if having no memory is the legal equivalent to being insane, and just how much of a discount you can get on a house where a massacre took place!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Enjoy. But for the rest of you, for the awesome people who are left, all of you great people here who have not gone back at the last chance to leave the roller coaster sign, let's go on a trip. Shall we? Let's go on a trip. This is not a tourist area. We'll say that.

This isn't a place you would normally go on a trip. We're leaving New Hampshire then. We're leaving New Hampshire. Yeah, that was nice. That was ridiculous. It was pleasant. We'll say that. This isn't a place you would normally go on a trip. We're leaving New Hampshire then. We're leaving New Hampshire. Yeah, that was nice. That was ridiculous. It was pleasant. We went into Boston. We got some seafood.

It was great. That part was nice. The side trip. That was speaking of Boston. Early next year. Look out for us in 2018 coming to Boston, people. Date soon. But now we're going to go.

We're going to head to the Midwest of the United States. We're going to head to Iowa. Oh. Oh, exciting. I know you're excited United States. We're going to head to Iowa. Oh. Oh, exciting. I know you're excited, Jimmy. I saw the look on your face. You should have seen him. He got flushed in red right away.

He's like, oh my, Iowa. It's like going to Tijuana for him. It's very much like Illinois in that the rural areas, I don't know what the fuck you do. It's like Illinois without people. Right. It's like Illinois and they forgot to make a Chicago. That's the problem. They were like, well, Des Moines is good enough. Yeah, that's why we got the Quad Cities here. It's like Illinois and they forgot to make a Chicago. That's the problem. They were like, well, Des Moines is good enough.

Yeah, that's fine. We got the quad cities here. It's like you got the – no. Quad cities make one half city. So don't tell me a quad shit. Fuck you, Iowa. What is there in Iowa? There's Des Moines.

There's Des Moines. And that's it. And Des Moines. And there's some Des Moines. And speaking of Des Moines, let's go to a town outside of Des Moines. Okay. Shocking, right? Yeah.

Yes. We're going Des Moines, let's go to a town outside of Des Moines. Shocking, right? Yes. We're going to Norwalk, Iowa. By the way, I actually have never met a person from Iowa that I don't like, oddly enough. They're the nicest people. Iowa and Oklahoma are the two nicest people, and I savage their states. Savage them. I have just the opposite. I've never met somebody from Iowa.

Really? I've known several. Maybe they all stay there, and the other ones just meet you. They're all super nice. Really? They're super nice. They all have corn experience. Seriously, everyone I know from Iowa is like, yeah, I was a shucker as a teenager.

You're like, you were a shucker? That's a job there? A shucking corn as a teenager. Yeah. In the summer when you're looking for a little extra work, apparently that's shucking season. All right. And you get your ass out there, you get shucking and you make some extra cash. What about the guy that cracked it?

That Jimmy guy? I don't know what he did. I don't think he gets paid. No? I don't think he gets paid. I think he does that. He gets paid in corn? I think that's community service, actually, is what he was charged with, a very serious crime.

We'll talk about somebody he might be related to here and some of these people. Norwalk, Iowa, we're going to here. Terrific. It's the south-central part of the state, dead center. Iowa has just rectangular counties. They're lined up perfectly. They're all in a line. It's just a big grid of counties.

It's a grid, exactly. They're not even staggered a little bit. Really? There's a line that just goes across all of them, and it's so strange. Somebody is just like, fuck it. It's not going to matter. Nobody is going to care. So it makes sense anyway, at least, because they could do it then.

So yeah, it's right there. It's just outside of – this town is middle of the road in every way. It's in the middle of the state, which is in the middle of the country. We'll get to the stats and everything. It is the middle of the road town. This is Main Street, USA right there pretty much is where we are. And it really feels like that when you're doing this. It's about 20 minutes outside of Des Moines, which sounds like, oh, that's not too far from the city, but it's Des Moines.

So it's really not. 20 minutes outside of Des Moines. It's the capital, but that's like being the capital of an ear of corn, basically. It may as well be forever away. It doesn't matter. It doesn't. And you get there, and then what? Like I said, oh, now we're at the capital of an ear of corn.

This is going to be great. I don't think that's going to help any. It's in Warren County, Norwalk is. Some small portions extending into Polk County. Because I think they made the counties, it's weird. Like I said, they're all very square. So it's on a county line? It's on a county line, exactly.

Zip code here, 50211. Area code 515. It's about 11 square miles. So not a tiny town. Not a huge town. Just kind of a mid-sized, middle of the road in every single goddamn way. It's apparently a decent place to live. And this is what I mean.

It's Main Street, USA. Movoto.com apparently ranks best places to live in states. I saw this. They have a ton of states. And in the top 10 places in Iowa to live, it is the number six best place to live in Iowa. How about that? It's not bad, which makes it- Do they give reasons for that?

Is that like- It's everything. Yeah, they give reasons. It's- Nightlife, job income, stuff like that. It's basically like it's a nice family town. Okay. It's sort of affordable.

It's clean. Yeah, because I mean like- The school systems are good. Yeah, yeah. Sixth best place to live in Iowa is like the 14th best place to live in hell, basically, at that point, though. You know what I mean? You're not really- Yeah, those rankings are dumb, too, basically, at that point, though. You know what I mean? You're not really saying a lot.

Those rankings are dumb, too, because it's like, best for who? You know what I mean? Yeah. Best family life, that's not going to be conducive to like- Yeah, maybe for a college kid. Right. I don't think this would be the best town or a retired person. But yeah, I feel like, it feels like from these websites, if you are a 37-year-old white

family with 2.2 kids, this is the best place to live. Perfect. That's middle of the road. Straight and white. Straight and white. Bring your children, goddammit. You must have children to enter this town. The slogan here.

I love these damn slogans of these towns. That's quickly becoming my favorite part. It really is becoming my favorite part. The slogan here is, noticeably Norwalk. What? are these people disfigured from a rendering plant that went fucking haywire what happened why is it so noticeable is there a smell right is there some are they making very specifically boring is that what it is apparently noticeably norwalk i looked at pictures of this town and compared to the other

top 10 towns it's not noticeably shit. They all look exactly the same. They all look exactly the same. Just houses and little white kids running around. That's it. Little blonde kids that look very happy. And it looks, there's not a lot of, it's weird. I know there's trees and shit there, but whenever they show pictures of any kind of living, it's just landscape.

There's nothing there. There's these new trees that are planted. Brand new ones that still have the braces on them. It looks like, yeah. Like the sticks with the wire holding them up. That's what I mean. All of Iowa from the pictures I've seen, granted, I've never been there, and I'm sure there's lush forests all throughout the land. Oh, I'm sure of it.

I'm sure. But everything I've seen looks like it's a brand new landscape at Disneyland, and they're like, we need some fucking trees in here. This is getting kind of, yeah, put a house, maybe a water park over there. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, those little blonde kids need somewhere to play. That's what it seems like. In about 30 years, this tree is going to be good for that little white kid to build a fucking tree house in.

He's going to build a tree house. That's very middle of the road. He needs a tree house. All these kids need tree houses. This town is named after Norwalk, Ohio. So even originally there, they're like, that town in Ohio, man. I can't stop thinking about it. I can't stop thinking about it.

We have to rename this town. There's a Norwalk, Connecticut, too, isn't there? There is a lot of Norwalks. What the fuck does that even mean? What is the Norwalk? My guess is there's a town in England called Norwalk. And then everything got named after in the east. And then people went to the Midwest.

And they were like, I like my hometown of Norwalk. And then here we go. It spreads like wildfire. And you have every, that's why every state has the same towns. Yeah. They all have the same towns. Also too, like if you hate something so much and you go somewhere else to create something better, how about you don't name it after everything you fucking hate?

Stop that. Came here. That place sucked. You know what? White people are so uncreative. Do that. Yeah. It's true.

It's true. Yeah. Cause we just say that only because white people settled things. That's it. That place sucked. You know what? White people are so uncreative. Do that. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. And we say that only because white people settled things. That's it. There was no- And they don't create anything without naming it homage to something else. Like, fucking just be proud of what you did. We definitely know it was white people in 1846 that were settling here.

The first settlers came around then, 1846. One of the guys here named Samuel Crowe. Couldn't name it Crowtown? No, no. Or Crow, Iowa? No. Well, let's find out what Mr. Crow here did. I'm really pissed about this.

I am, too. I don't understand it, either. I've been saying this forever. Have some creativity. There shouldn't be 14 fucking Miamis in the United States. Right. There's a Miami, Arizona, for fuck's sake. That's what he means.

There's Miamis everywhere. Ohio has no business having a Miami. None. Zero. There's none. If there's snow, it's not fucking Miami. It's not Miami. None. Zero. There's none. If there's snow, it's not fucking Miami. It's not Miami. That's what I mean.

Nobody has any goddamn creativity here. There's a guy named Samuel Snyder. Everybody named Samuel back then. Samuel Snyder here, he built the first log cabin. That's the first construction anybody built here. There was no trees, anything. So he really had to work for those logs, I'm sure. He's like, there's only those little trees with the wires on it.

I don't know where they came from. We're the first people here. He had to raise some saplings to build his fucking house. Apparently, the natives are very concerned with the saplings falling over in the wind. Good for them. The next year after that, more families started settling, and it became known, the town, as Pyra. P-Y-R-A.

That's it first. I don't know. I'm impressed. It sounds like a Pokemon. It's something. Yeah, it sounds like a Pokemon that shoots fire out of his eyes or some shit. That's his asshole. Or his asshole.

And his tail's on fire constantly. That's pretty solid here. For no fucking reason at all. Yes. What I tell you in a minute is going to piss you off, but I saved it because you asked and I couldn't let it out of the bag then. All right. First, the post office here established June 18th, 1856.

A guy named George L. Swan, he laid out the town. He had all the planning of the town and the grid and all that shit and said, let's leak over into that next county a little bit here. And he put up a hotel there. Once they get a hotel, then they're in business. Yeah, that's getting fucking lodging going. You got tourism. Let's do it. And it seems like whoever makes the hotel gets to name the town.

It's the oddly enough. He's the businessman of the town. He gets to name it. And guess where he's from? Where? He is from Norwalk, Connecticut. Get the fuck out of here. That's right.

And also, too, he went to, good God, he moved to Norwalk, Ohio. Also, where he had a newspaper there. Is this serious? I swear to God. He's naming all the fucking towns in America Norwalk? He moved from Norwalk to Connecticut, and then moved Norwalk, Connecticut, where he's from, to Norwalk, Ohio, which was named Norwalk already. So he's two for two in Norwalks, and then he moves to Iowa, and he's like, you know what this town could use? Norwalk.

That's what it could use. It could use the name of Norwalk. This guy's an asshole yeah he just didn't I feel like he had those little stickers with your address on them and he's like

I'm gonna name this street this with this address and we're in Norwalk now it's fine he crosses out he doesn't want to just buy he crosses out

the little CT on Connecticut and just writes in Iowa he's tired of buying new fucking mail labels he's like you know what

I'm tired of this shit. What a cheap dick. I only moved to Norwalk. If the town's not named Norwalk, I'll change the goddamn name to Norwalk. Hilarious. 1882 had the first railroad construction. So it went from Des Moines to Missouri down there. So that ended up, that obviously makes things a little better here.

Norwalk finally incorporated in 1900. Okay. They had a guy named adam stifler as his first mayor yes we all i looked at joey big guy yeah you can't you can't who fucked his mom exactly you can't not do it but uh stifler here somebody in norwalk is banging the hell out of a mannish looking woman well that's the thing he was very upset about that the town originally at this point was only one square mile and he said god damn it i need more room to put my mom so people don't fuck her and then that's what happened we got another 10 miles out of it he was very upset very upset with that whole thing

uh phone service here began in 1903 so you could call all the other norwalks and say we're norwalk too holy shit that's a lot oh my god the railroad the railroad was there shipping out all the livestock because there's a lot of livestock there. And obviously there's corn everywhere. But livestock was a big deal. Cattle and hogs, is that what it is? I believe so, yeah. Pigs in Iowa maybe?

I think so. Yeah, there's some pigs there. Well, I mean, if there's a bunch of corn there, you're going to raise whatever eats pigs. That's the thing, yeah. Pigs love corn. Pigs eat corn. Pigs will eat anything. Pigs eat people, for Christ's sake.

Pigs are, that's why they're pigs. Like, you know, if you kill someone in the Gem Saloon in Deadwood, you bring it to Mr. Woo, you throw it over the fence, Jimmy. Watch Deadwood. Or it's Snatch when you bring it to the horrible cunt and he eats him. That too. So his primary here, like I said, they're shipping

out shit on the railroad, all sorts of pig shit everywhere. There's a big flood in 1947, screws up a bridge, and then the railroad's kind of abandoned from there. Yeah, from the livestock. So then they go, I don't know what we're going to do now. I guess just sit here and look at each other. What year, 1947?

1947, this happens here. Well, good thing they've got cars now so they can fucking truck them out. We can truck everything. We're good here. People here, 10,135 people population-wise, which it's growing a lot because it's up 77% from 1990. Holy shit. That's a shitload. Yeah, 5,726 in 1990.

Wow. So it's pumping. This town is doing very well. What are they doing different now? And you can tell it's on the rise, too, because the median age is actually two years lower than the average. All right. It's 35.7. All right.

So there's younger people coming there. These families, it's the best place to live. These people are 35 years old with their two little kids, and they're doing everything here. It's noticeable. It's noticeable. And it's noticeably Norwalk, obviously. The married population here is about 61%, which is about 11% higher than the average. So it's a family kind of a town.

A lot of kids here, that sort of thing. The divorce rate's slightly lower than normal. Less widowed people, because I feel like it's skewing a little bit younger, that sort of thing. More married with children than normal. So it's that sort of thing. Less people that are single in general. Single, no children, that sort of deal. Racially, I'll give you a hint here. I'll give you a guess. What do you think here, Jimmy? 90% something white people. 90% Pacific Islander? No, Jimmy, you a hint here. I'll give you a guess. What do you think here, Jimmy? 90% something white people. 90% Pacific Islander? No, Jimmy, you're absolutely wrong.

I'm sorry. There's a lot of fishermen here. I know it. 94.75% white. Oh, my God. It's so milquetoast. Which is kind of to be expected here. 0.0% black.

They're just not coming there at all. 0.48% Asian. They need a couple restaurants here. The younger people are like, look, we need some diversity of foods at least. 9%? 0.48%. Not even a half. It's like four restaurants worth. That's it.

But they bring in actual Chinese cooks, which you've got to respect in a Chinese restaurant. They're not just putting a couple guys from Guadalajara back there and calling them Kim every time they call back for an order. So I respect that. 2.88% Hispanic. So that's not bad there.

There's a couple Hispanic people they brought in anyway. I think they just brought them in. Plant those saplings, babe. Yeah, I think maybe that's probably why the sad part. Honestly, that's probably what it is. Religion-wise here, less than the average, which is not what I would expect. And they're pretty mild in Iowa. They're not real.

They're not like, I feel like there's no fervor for anything, whether it's religion or whatever. They're like, take it easy a little bit. Shit to do either. Look, the corn's in. Okay, let's all calm down. Everybody get out there and shuck a little bit. Everybody relax. We'll think about Jesus out in the fields.

Let's just do that. But that's not the case, huh? I know. 40% religious and the usual is 50% is the average. 10% Catholic, you know, 5.5% other faith, 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim, as we would expect in the middle of Iowa. Literally the middle of Iowa. The voting, very down the middle again. It's just like Iowa's kind of a toss-up state.

It's been lately 48% Democrat, 50% Republican. So right there. Low unemployment rate, about 3.5%, which isn't bad at all. Household income here is high. This is another thing. I mean, this is apparently there's- Corn pays the bills. Corn pays the bills.

I think there's some industry in Des Moines, which is only 20 minutes away, so there's stuff to do there. Median household income here is $80,406. Wow. Corn is expensive. That's $27,000 over the average. You're killing it. Which is crazy because every time I go to the store, every time I buy corn on the cob,

it's when it's $10 for a dollar. Cheap as fuck. It's $10 for a dollar. It's literally damn near free. You can buy a sack of corn that you can beat a man to death with for a dollar. A dollar. What else can you buy that's heavy enough to beat someone with to death for a dollar? For a dollar.

It doesn't exist. A can maybe if you really get them with a corner of it. But I'm talking a sack. You can dent his skull with this shit. If you went to a landscape place and asked for a five-pound rock, I feel like that's like five bucks. It's going to be more than a dollar, I feel. It's more than a dollar a pound here.

That's crazy. It is. It is. So that's how much fucking corn is being grown. There's a lot of goddamn corn. So it can make 80 grand a year. Growing some corn. Also, too, we don't know what kind of jobs there are.

Also, there's a college in Des Moines, which is another thing. A lot of people in these towns will work in the college, and that's a higher salary usually. And there's a lot of propaganda saying that corn is super healthy, which it's fucking not, because your body can't even digest it. I don't think there's any propaganda saying corn is healthy. Really? You've never heard that corn is good for you? From your grandmother when you're seven.

Eat your corn. It's good for you. But I don't think anyone with any medical training has ever said corn is good for you. I've never seen that pyramid without a piece of corn on it, though. That's true. Well, they paid for that spot corn. That's why they make 80 grand a year, because they have that extra money to pay for your pyramid slot.

That's what it is. That's propaganda, though, for sure. Yeah. Because that's all government driven. Corn sucks. It does. I like to eat corn a lot. Corn on the cob. I'm not even a fan of that. That's what it is. That's propaganda, though, for sure. Yeah. Because that's all government driven. It sucks. It does. I like to eat corn a lot. Corn on the cob.

I'm not even a fan of that. It's fucking delicious with butter and stuff like that. It's delicious. Fuck yeah. But I don't like corn syrup and soda. I prefer the natural sugar soda. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do.

I know you do. It's much better. Tastier and less thick and gross. Anyway, the residents here. But I don't like eating off the cob because then it gets in your fucking teeth. Oh, yeah. You're going. It's a nightmare.

That's two days of flossing ahead of you right there. You're putting yourself in the way. You have work ahead of you. After like two hours of brushing. It should come with floss. Instead of having those little things you stick on the end to hold it, those should be two floss sticks that you eat and then pull the floss out and you have two floss sticks to do it with. That's how you sell corn right there.

I just made corn much better. They make here... They're going to have 90 grand a year now. They are. That's what I mean. That's what it is. Residents here make 45% above the state average of income. So that's how much- It's also voted business week's best affordable suburb in Iowa.

Wow. So it's a nice place to have a family here. The jobs, a lot of management, business stuff. There's also a lot of blue collar. There's also your production, transportation, material moving twice as much as average. Cost of living here isn't that high either. It's not above what you'd expect. Usually when we have a higher pay, there's usually a higher cost of living. But here we say 100 is average. The cost of living here is 93, which isn't terrible. Housing is 95, which is about average. All this stuff's average,

and then the income's high. So that's great. The houses here, you look at it, there's 65% of the houses are between $100,000 and $200,000. So that's not bad either. That's decent. And if you are looking, if we've convinced you, if this place is noticeable for you, and you want to go get

down on some corn, we have for you here the Norwalk, Iowa Real Estate Report. Okay, there we go. We're back with the Real Estate Report. I love that. That's good. Now we have music.

This is official. 26% of the people here are renters, which I feel like that's probably college-related, possibly, or something like that. I don't know if you think they're on there's got to be a university in des moines right yeah yeah there's 20 minutes out that's not too far you can yeah there's also drake university i know is near here because i'll we'll talk about why we know that in a little bit here i found a two-bedroom apartment here on the average is 870 a month which is a couple hundred less than the normal uh three i found three-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath, 1,500-square-foot house for $172,475. That's not bad.

$185 is the average in the U.S. for a house. Four-bedroom, two-bath. It's 920 square feet. How the fuck do you get four bedrooms like that? I don't know how you crammed four bedrooms. Those are closets, people. Calm down. Those are closets.

It's a nice-looking house with a nice yard that I feel like they've made one bedroom into two and screwed the whole thing up. But $194,900 for that. They made both bedrooms into two. Probably. That's what they did. Cut those in half. Fuck yeah. And I found a three bedroom, two bath, 2,210 square foot house. Wow.

It's a nice house. It's spacious. It's big. Good looking on the outside. $299,900. Not bad. And that's kind of like a real nice thing to do there. $300,000 is about what a 2,000 square foot house goes for. You would imagine on the average. That's about average. And speaking of things to do, here are your things to do.

Fantastic. On their Facebook page, the number one thing to do is the St. John's Catholic Church. So that sounds exciting. That sounds terrible. Also, 2-Bit Pinballs. It's a place where you play pinball. Pinball place? Yeah. That's awesome. That's cool. I like that. That's fun, yeah. That is terrible. Also, 2-Bit Pinballs. It's a place where you play pinball. Pinball place? Yeah.

That's awesome. Which is cool. I like that. That's fun, yeah. That is fun. I'm drinking play pinball. It's the church or pinball. Wow.

I mean, that's slim pickings for shit. Lots of parades. Parades for every goddamn holiday. Just parades, parades, parades. That sounds like Iowa. It's Iowa, yeah. That's what I imagine in Iowa. Just kids with candy getting thrown at them left and right.

Niche.com, which is a town review site where users, like people who live there, talk about the town. Like the dirty.com for towns? Yeah. It's so average. It's rated three out of five stars by everybody. And that's where the most votes were for three. And here's a review of it here. Quote, it's a good place to raise a family.

It's safe, has a good school system, and definitely caters to families. However, there isn't much to do. And if given given the choice i would probably choose to live elsewhere no so that's that's your review of that place review they did that's what i mean it's so average it's just there's nothing this town is the town equivalent of a shoulder shrug just i don't know it's fine uh another review about the crime said quote there's almost no crime in this area and mostly everyone can feel safe occasionally young people will be a little disorderly, but there's almost always no issues with it. The police are visible, trusted, and friendly. Visible. They're noticeable.

Oh, yeah. You see them. Noticeable. Noticeable. But the kids will go down to that goddamn pinball arcade and get a little drunk from time to time. They're cutting up down there, drinking the Mad Dog 2020 out behind the place. And they go over to the rectory and apologize for sins, and fucking everything's all forgiven. That's the truth. And let's find out what kind of crime they get into here. With the crime here, property crime is less than half the national average. Really?

So very low. And then your violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault, even lower than that. Really? One-third the national average. Wow. This place is safe. Bring the kids. Yeah. Load them up. Let's go to Norwalk, Iowa. Come on down-third the national average. Wow. This place is safe. Bring the kids. Yeah.

Load them up. Let's go to Norwalk, Iowa. Come on down and have a glass of warm milk. That's exactly what it is. A glass would be warm, too, I feel like. Let's talk about some people from this town. What do you say here? A couple of people named Rick Wayne Forsyth is the first person here.

And he marries a young lady named Mary Jolene Reinhart. She goes by Jolene. Goes by her middle name. Of course she does. Of course she does. It's a Dolly Parton song. Midwest. It's her favorite fucking song.

For four days. Well, no, she hates that song because whenever anybody meets her, the first thing they say is, Jolene, Jolene. That's such a great song, though. And they have to sing the whole verse of it, and then Jolene wants to rip her hair out and she hates everybody. At least one verse. I'm going to go out on a limb.

How crazy is that, too, that Jolene is a redhead in it, right? In the song, I think Jolene is. I believe so, yeah. And she stole the Pretty Blonde Girl's boyfriend. Yeah, that's it. Stole the Pretty Blonde Girl's boyfriend. Yeah, stole Dolly Parton's boyfriend. You're not stealing Dolly Parton's boyfriend. You're not stealing early 70 stole Dolly Parton's boyfriend. You're not stealing Dolly Parton's boyfriend.

You're not stealing early 70s Dolly Parton's boyfriend. No. No. Dolly's, first of all, Dolly's a treasure. Okay? Let me tell you this real quick. I'm going to tell you a secret that a lot of people don't know. Dolly Parton is covered in tattoos, and that's the hottest fucking thing I've ever heard.

Covered in them. Like, her boobs are covered in them. Everything is covered in amazing. There's no lines, James. There's no outline. It doesn't matter. It's so hot. There's much beyond,

much, much below the surface with Dolly, okay? Let's not try to, don't put Dolly in a corner. It's true. Nobody puts Dolly in a corner. Do you understand? You put her in your bed and you never let her go.

That's right. So this Jolene. God, she's amazing. So this poor woman here. I'd fuck Dolly Parton today at the age she's at now. All chance breaking her hips and everybody hating me. I think so, too.

And I think Sarah would be okay with it. My wife, Sarah, because she's the biggest Dolly Parton fan in the world. I think she'd be like, I think you should do this for both of us. And I think I'd like to be there. Listen, I wouldn't care if my wife liked it or not. I'd chance a divorce at the chance of banging Dolly Parton. That would be the most interesting proceeding ever. I love her.

She is a treasure. So I would love to hear that case laid out. Put Dolly in an apron? Take every dime you have. Oh, forget it. And it's being read right now. So apparently had an affair with a 74-year-old woman. That's strange.

In an apron, sir. In an apron. In an apron. That's very strange. That's odd behavior. Irreconcilable differences. She doesn't think I should bang Dolly Parton. That's irreconcilable.

Obviously, we're not going to. This isn't going to work, clearly. We have differing opinions. It's over, sir. Yeah. No, it's not about raising the kids or where we're going to live or careers or anything like that. She doesn't think it's acceptable for me to bang a national treasure.

Can I say she's wrong? I'm just going to say she's wrong. So this poor Jolene, people are singing songs to her. She's very frustrated. They get married right around the time the song comes out here in the early 70s to mid 70s. Rick has some problems. Rick has a few problems.

Jolene, pretty stable. She's a Midwestern gal trying to hold the family together in a nice little town here. She wants to take the kids down to the parade, get the 10 for a dollar corn. It's probably 20 for a dollar in Iowa. It's so free there. It probably is. People just throw it out of trucks. We've got extras.

There's candy, and then here comes the corn truck. Everyone put your helmets on. Watch out. Everybody's got a catcher's mitt, I'm sure of it, for the corn. Completely. Well, yeah, anyway, they got it anyway because it's Iowa. It's field of dreams time. So from an early time here, from the time they're together from a young age,

because they get married when they're pretty young. It's a nice Midwestern. It's a John Cougar Mellencamp song. Sure is. You know what I mean? It's Rick and Jolene instead of Jack and Diane. He has a lot of contact with psychological, the psychological field, let's just call it. Shrinks of all kinds, psychologists, just anyone that could try to figure out what the

fuck is wrong with this guy, what his deal is. But that doesn't stop them from having a lot of children. You don't want to do that. No. If you have psychological problems, you want to have as many kids as possible, I feel like, because I think that's going to work it out, probably. I think maybe he's thinking, I'm going to be so tired

from the kids, I'm not going to have time for any crazy. I'm just not. I think that's how it works, right? My brain will not have time to be a lunatic. Extra stress makes you perform better, I hear. Listen, brain, calm down. We've got diapers to change. Let's do it. Listen, brain, we don't have time for this today. No crazy.

They end up with a total of four sets of diapers to change. They have Brian, who's the oldest. He's born in 1975. Then we have Nikki, who's a girl. Jessica, another little girl. And then they have Eric in the mid-'80s, who's their youngest. And he's kind of the apple of Rick's eye and we'll find out why too because every two or three years they had

a kid every few years they have a kid no there was a I want to say a like a four or five year difference between Jessica and Eric okay there and because I think Jessica was born in 81 okay and Eric was born in 85 he's an oops whoops a daisy he's an oops but

there when you find out I don't know if he's an oops, because we'll talk about this in a second here. Rick started getting psychotherapy in 1977, is when he really started going regularly and not just like a once-in-a-while thing. And he's going for anger issues. He's very angry. He's only got one kid. It's not like he's got the four kids and it's just like, I'm just a dad and the house is a fucking mess.

Losing my mind. Yeah, it's not like that at all. I don't know if things were bad in the corn market or what the deal was, but he was angry and had violent impulses here. Perfect. Having marital problems already with Jolene. It's only been a few years. One kid. And just a general malaise, basically.

He goes in and says, well, I'm violent and generally just very depressed, and that's the deal. Just a general malaise has set in. This goes on. He kind of, through the late 70s, he stays in therapy pretty regularly because he's got problems, and Jolene tells him you need to go to therapy. That's kind of her thing, like, look, dude, you're going to snap and we don't want to be around for it. So why don't you go to therapy? Being a mom.

She's looking out for the safety of everybody in the house. Exactly. And once it peters out some in the 80s where he doesn't go as regularly, it's not known exactly. It's not a weekly thing anymore. It's kind of sporadic. And maybe you can't afford it because that shit gets expensive. Possibly, especially because by 1982, Jessica is born, and that's their third child.

Shit. So if you have three kids, and they're probably 30 years old here, so they have three kids. It's starting to get where it's like, okay, we can't afford that $80 every week. And if you don't have toys, if you don't have a motorcycle or a big truck. They're going to destroy your house. Oh, you're talking about the kids. No, no, I'm talking about him. I'm talking about if he's got to sell something, and he doesn't have anything to sell to support the family,

it's selling his psychotherapy and just giving that shit up. That would be terrible. I think that was his luxury. You know what I mean? That was my luxury is to go somewhere so I don't kill everybody in town, so I don't wipe the town out basically or just myself or anything else. So he's doing that. He's in general depression, just not feeling very well about himself.

82, Jessica is born. Now, the reason why I feel like Eric was the apple of his eye, the fourth child, the second son, is because I feel like he wanted a boy. He needed a boy that could do his thing. And fathers have a weird thing with that. Like, I need a boy. They have some fantasy that maybe he'll play center field for the yankees it could happen it's like i need to have one of those he's gonna be my best friend he'll do everything i say he's gonna be just like

me they are never never like me i'm gonna name him i'm gonna name him bro and then you never know what happens not just like you name him bro that's an inside joke but it's it's exactly what you would think it is somebody named it anyway uh so jessica is born brian the oldest and jessica are both considered quote mentally disabled okay now i don't know what that meant in the 80s yeah what that could have meant anything in the 80s i don't know what mentally disabled was sure back then but uh they were in special ed and they were slow and that sort of thing so i feel like in his mind he's thinking well i don't have that with brian because he's he's got a problem or some sort of problem. So I feel like in his mind, he's thinking, well, I don't have that with Brian because he's got a problem or some sort of problem. And I feel like this guy was like, now this one's this one I made right.

You know what I mean? He's not fucked up yet, you know, because I this isn't the greatest guy in the world. That's why I say this. This isn't what everybody would think. This is what this kind of a guy would think. I feel like they're both in special. I'm on board. Yeah. You know what I mean?

1984, late 84, Eric is born, and he appears able. So that's what I mean. He's excited about Eric. He feels like. He can pick up a bat. Yeah, he feels like. And not worry about hitting himself in the head. You throw an ear of corn at him from a parade float, he's going to catch it.

He catches it or bats it down one of the two. One of the two, or he hits it right back up the middle. There we go. Back through the box. Good job, Ken. All right. He laid it or bats it down one of the two. One of the two, or he hits it right back up the middle. There we go. Back through the box. Good job, kid. All right. He laid that one down on a good bunt. Yeah, that's a good one.

Good job. So Rick is working as a bus driver for the school district here. So he's a failure. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know. I know in Phoenix, if I drive by my daughter's old middle school, she's in high school now, but you drive by her middle school, they were just advertising for bus drivers. And full-time bus driver, the pay was $10.84 an hour. And that's what we're having our kids save.

They're responsible for taking your kid from A to B. So many kids. So many kids. So many kids. With no seatbelts on that fucking thing. Yeah, no seatbelts, in a big box, and you've got this guy. I knew a guy that drove the bus for the kids, and he was not a good person. He was not an okay man.

You're not going to attract the best candidates for a job when you're offering them $12,000 a year. I don't think that's going to cut it for people. He's sitting in his garage smoking weed, working on a Harley, and then he gets up at 6 in the morning and rides that Harley over to the lot where he picks up a bus and goes and puts America's children on it. There's a reason why the Otto character on The Simpsons was funny because that's a bus driver. It's either that or a bitter old lady, like a bitter 68-year-old lady who won't speak to anybody. Those are the only two people who drive buses, zoners and bitter 68-year-old lady who won't speak to anybody. Those are the only two people who drive buses. Zoners and bitter 68-year-old ladies. We called him no shirt guy, this neighbor, because he never had a fucking shirt on.

And then one year during Christmas, he was putting up Christmas lights and we were driving by. And from the back, he had his jacket on. And I stopped to say hello to him. And he turns around and goes, cold out here, isn't it? Not wearing a fucking shirt. He had a jacket on. Jacket on, no shirt. That's special right there.

That's like Randy Quaid in fucking Vacation. Fucking no shirt guy. It was so annoying. So cousin Eddie was driving the bus. That's safe. I feel good about that. I feel very good about that. Fucking no shirt guy.

So through the 80s, family problems continue, but they stay together. They stay around the four kids and, you know, two of them. And this is tough. This is the thing, too. It's no one saying it's easy to raise four kids when two of them have issues as well. That is hard. I can't imagine. I can't imagine how difficult that is.

I can't imagine how difficult that would be on a marriage. Just on everything. On somebody that's already fucking crazy. And then someone who had problems when they had one kid and didn't even know that they had problems. I hate to just keep saying crazy over and over again, blanketing that with somebody that's got mental fucking issues. Yes, exactly. And now you're peppering in some children that need extra attention. And also good for him.

He sought out help. You know what I mean? First of all, he realized he had a problem. He listened to his wife telling him he had a problem. And he went and he sought out help. So that's good. Anybody out there, there's nothing to be ashamed of if you have a problem. He listened to his wife telling him he had a problem and he went and he sought out help. So that's good. Anybody out there, there's nothing to be ashamed of if you have a problem. We all have fucking problems.

Believe me. But recognizing it and getting help if needed is kind of the, that's the line of between crazy, as we put in quotes, and we can deal with you. Functioning member. It's okay to have problems. Don't think that you're Functioning. Thank you. It's okay to have problems.

Don't think that you're alone because you're fucking not. Perfectly acceptable to have problems. No, believe me. We're all a goddamn disaster. Each week, it's a goddamn miracle that I'm sitting in front of this microphone. It's the truth, man. Goddamn miracle. Well, 1990 shit gets worse.

If we're talking about stress and I don't know what this would do on a marriage. 1990, youngest son, Eric, is six years old and dies in a bicycle accident. Oh, for fuck's sake. So, I mean, that right there. And that was the youngest one? That's the youngest. That's Eric. That's the youngest.

That's his favorite. That's the one. The one that didn't need extra help. Exactly. So, this here, even if everything else was glorious, they got along great. He was perfectly sane, felt good about himself. Other kids were thriving and great. This would still be difficult.

So when you add in a guy who's already got some problems and stress and marital issues, I can't imagine what this does to it, to everything. He's placed on antidepressants at this point. He goes to counseling kind of constantly now. This just decimated his psyche, this whole thing here. Did they say which antidepressants he was on? No, they did not. They did not give an actual.

This was 1990, so there wasn't a lot to choose from. I can't even think of it. I wouldn't know. I don't even think Prozac was out yet. There is not a lot to choose from in 1990. I'm trying to think of anything that would have been. If you were on antidepressant medication in 1990, that was considered like outside the box.

Right. You know what I mean? That was going the extra mile to try to... Yeah, this was like, you know... Yeah, this was considered like, ooh, he's on meds. Holy shit. Like, wow.

He must have... Yeah, cuckoo. He's got some real shit going on. That's the thing. Yeah, that's how people... It was perceived back then. Now it's just like... You say...

It's not embarrassing at all. Right. You say I'm on antidepressants. It's like saying which toothbrush... People are like, yeah, which one? saying, which toothbrush brand do you use? Colgate, AIM, what do you got there? Yeah, perfect. Crest, what are you using?

You're that rich guy that uses that mentadent, the fucking- Oh, God, the pump handle. That stuff is horrible. You've got to push it evenly to get both sides to spray. It's harsh shit. Otherwise, you wind up with a toothbrush full of white or a toothbrush full of blue. And you want none of that. You need both. You need both. You need the It's horseshit. Otherwise you wind up with a toothbrush full of white or a toothbrush full of blue. And you want none of that. You need both.

You need both. You need the fucking the baking soda shit. Why don't we mix those together? How about that? How about do that in the fucking factory? There you go.

So this shit doesn't happen. Give it to me already done. How's that? Don't make me assemble your shit product. I'm paid. This is over. My part's done.

I have to assemble your shit toothpaste now. Thanks, Dick. So at this point, Jolene's cousin Dave, and we're going to talk about her cousins and relatives a little bit later, he says about Rick and about this incident, quote, that seemed to be his favorite child. After that, he went downhill. Brutal.

Brutal, right? He just didn't cope with Eric's death very well. He became obsessed with the preservation of Eric's memory. Became crazy about it, about his room, about his things, about everything. He became obsessed with preserving his son's, which is an understandable emotion. But at some point, you know, and I would hope with the counseling, they would be trying to push him through that. Like, hey, I know. Yes, that's great. And you do need to save his things. And yes, that's fine if you want to laminate his baby socks. But you need to chill out at some point and relax.

Truly, because I mean, that's that's what every serial killer. They always show like mom's dead and they have the bedroom that's got two inches of dust on everything because they don't want to go in there and disturb anything. Yeah. Just you got to process and move on. It's true. That's true. That's the healthy way.

I mean, granted, I'm sure some people healthily deal with preserving memory more. I'm sure there is, but you have to be way stable for that. Historically. More stable than most of us can claim to be. The stigma of it is that if you're doing that, there's some shit going wrong. It's the truth. Now, the neighbors at this point, neighbors, relatives, all these people, they said they knew there was problems between Rick and Jolene and the problems got they would escalate. They said, though, they never heard them fighting or never heard them arguing or saw them fighting or anything like that.

But they'd quote one of the neighbors said, quote, we'd see law enforcement show up at the house. That's a bad sign. I don't care what you're hearing. How many times the cops in your house, Jimmy? It was quiet. Not that many, right? And now there's cops. Yeah, it's quiet, but now I'm more worried.

If I hear nothing and then cops pull up, I'm like, what the fuck happened over there? Somebody just, you know, went into business and really was focused. We never heard a sound, and then there's cops fucking everywhere. Then there's police. 1991, he has an incident, Rick does, with his son, Brian. Brian's 16 years old at this point. And apparently, Rick beats him up with a paddle. Apparently, it assaults him pretty good.

Good enough to where he is arrested for it, for assault and everything. This wasn't like two spanks on the ass. He went after his kid with a paddle for some reason. We don't know why or what. He's got issues. He's got anger problems. And now he's depressed. And he's going a little fucking cuckoo crazy at this point about his son dying and all

that. Understandable. He's going off the deep end. This is in 1991. The school board asks Dr. Taylor, he's a guy who works for the school board, works for the school system, to evaluate whether Rick should be reinstated as a bus driver. Jesus. They're like, if he's attacking 16-year-olds with a paddle, maybe we don't put him around

the children. Right. Which, yeah, understandable. Just take a look at him. The kid was 16 at the time? He was 16. Fuck. He beat a 16-year-old kid with a paddle.

That's not disciplining. You're having a fight. Yeah, that's a fight. You just had a boxing match with your kid, and you had a weapon. You beat your developmentally disabled 16-year-old with a paddle. that's a fight you just had a boxing match with your kid and you had a weapon you beat your developmentally disabled 16 year old with a paddle that's that's an issue uh he even at this point they're trying to figure out what what he's all about he had he has a gun he's had for this whole time he turns the gun in temporarily to the norwalk police department to not have it in his possession to just show that he's not you know i'm not a nut who needs my gun

like i'll give it to them he gets it back but that's you know, I'm not a nut who needs my gun. Like, I'll give it to them. He gets it back. But that's, you know, for the time. Dr. Taylor, who they tasked with figuring him out, reported no evidence of any psychiatric disorder. And he recommended that Rick be reinstated as a bus driver. Go ahead. Twirl around in the snow with a shitload of kids in a bus. You're perfectly fine. No evidence of psychiatric disorder.

None. He's fine. Guy's fine. Clearly, he's fine, I would say. I would say even if he showed nothing, I would still think there was still some shit in there just based on all the stuff that's happening. There's some underlying

shit somewhere. There's some stuff and then it also culminated in beating your kid with a paddle, so there's probably an issue. May 21st, 1991, he is placed on probation for a domestic assault abuse charge on Jolene. There was a little incident with Jolene. So now he's roughing her up a little bit.

This wasn't like a full-on beating, but it was enough to warrant the police. He physically touched his wife, which you can't do like that. So it doesn't matter. He's going to fucking jail for it. So he gets probation for that. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about something special. Yeah.

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Yeah. And she legally separates and files for divorce against him. So she's said, that's enough now. This has been, and it's been a long time. It's been almost 20 years. And all the kids and everything that's happened, this happens a lot. And in families of tragedy, when they have a young child die or something, they end in divorce a lot. It really did.

Yeah, that puts a lot of fucking, it's a burden to deal with in the first place by yourself alone. Yeah, absolutely. It's a burden to deal with in the first place by yourself alone. And now you've got to process your grief along with somebody that you're married to. And they process it differently. And then there's clashes on, well, you don't feel bad about this. And then there's arguments. Now this, not to mention also, who knows if somebody blames somebody. You didn't tell them to come inside in time. Not only that, but also even if it was just completely random, if just something happened, if the school bus, if

the stone school bus driver flipped it over 12 times and your kid died and it has nobody's fault, you still are with that person that that's what you had together and that's your reminder and you have to stare at this person every day. I could see that could be possibly difficult for people. So anyway, they're separated. The kids here, Brian, Nikki, Jessica, not Eric, obviously, reside with Jolene. They stay in Norwalk in the family home with her. Rick is not wanting this divorce at all. He's resisting at every single step he can.

He does not want it. He's saying no. He's telling everyone he can tell. I'm not letting this happen. We're not getting divorced. Jolene doesn't know what the hell she wants. Sure. This is ridiculous here. He threatens the family's safety multiple times, and we'll get into that.

He tells her first attorney. She has an attorney for the first time in this divorce proceeding. Rick tells this attorney that the divorce, quote quote would not happen and that he would do whatever he could to stop it from happening. So he's saying this, I don't give a shit what she hired you for, paperwork, this shit isn't happening. It extends so much

to where you can legitimately call it stalking is what he's doing. Because this is nuts, a couple of things he does here. Neighbors, relatives, everybody says that he's relentless in following them. He follows the kids. He follows Jolene. He monitors their actions.

He's always around. If they go to the store, they'll look. There he is in the parking lot in his car. Checking all the boxes. Stalking. First ballot Hall of Fame. Stalker. Oh, he is an A1 stalker.

He would be a great private investigator. Yeah. Like, he should stop what he's doing. Stop stalking. Quit your job driving the bus. Get your PI license. He's a PI. That's what PIs do. It would be great if only these people didn't legally file to have him stay away from them.

It would be fantastic. Except for that part. And no one hired him to do this. He's just crazy. Apparently the neighbor said numerous times a day, not just once or twice, just many, many times. Like if you look out the window, you got about a 50 50 chance that you're going to see Rick drive by and be driving by the house or sitting outside the house. He's just sitting out by the curb in his car staring. That's not even the worst of it.

In a second here, I'll tell you. Rick tells one of his wife's sisters around now that if he told her if he can't have the family, no one else can have them. Oh, Christ. So he's getting into this now. September of 1992, the police apprehend Rick. He is prowling around Jolene's home. So at least they take him in. Wow.

What they end up establishing is he's been stalking her since the moment she kicked him out and got the restraining order. And this goes on indefinitely. He just never stops stalking. His stalking gets worse. And they don't do a fucking thing about it. So there wasn't any stalking laws back then, too. When did those happen?

When did those start? I want to say it's the late 90s, early 2000s. There was a push for it back then because I want to say it was one of the celebrity deaths. Somebody killed a celebrity in the late 90s or something. Was it Selena, maybe, with the fan?

I could see that. Or some shit like that. There was some, not the shit like Selena, I'm just saying. The Versace guy. Yeah, there was something with that. I know it was celebrity-driven, even though it should be driven by shit like this right it was celebrity's name that died in my yeah yeah he got killed by the andrew whatever his name that guy was fucked up yeah he was crazy that guy yeah that was speaking of crazy that was ridiculous that dude we don't even have to preface it with you know if you have psychological he's crazy just andrew uh versace murderer was- Yeah. Cunanan?

Cunane? Cunane? Cunane? Some shit like that. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Whatever. He's dead. So he's dead and Rick is apprehended by the police for prowling, which is fucking terrible

right away. You never want to be taken in as a prowler, I feel like. That's an inkling, just a- not an inkling. That's just an inch, an inch from having your pants down, I feel like, prowling. Like, if someone says you're a prowler, I assume you were jerking it. Even if you didn't have it out, you were slow talking, as you like to say, under your pants. You were thinking about it, rubbing on top of them. Yeah, something.

At minimum, rubbing the seam of the jeans between the balls. You were prepping. You were prepping up. For sure. You were getting yourself to a ready position, I feel like. You're getting yourself all set. You were chubbing up, you fucker. That's right.

So, September 5th. And cat burglar makes me think of somebody that steals, like, shitty things. Little things with bells in them that smell like oregano. Cat burglar and prowler are like the most old timey shitty words he's a prowler see he's jerking

look at him there but a cat a prowler he's touching his man fuck eventually becomes a cat burglar when he stops jerking off that's true he's like well I see

all that shit inside while I'm jerking it I might as well go get some of it while I'm here so this is September 5th of 92 he's charged with violating an order to stay away

okay rick is which i would say if he had especially if he had his dick out like we said now he's definitely at minimum rubbing that thick seam that thick seam in the jeans you know what that's the same thing if you're doing it well look you may as well be just jerking tell you what if you're doing it on your couch it's not it's just scratching it's just adjusting it's just chilling out if you're doing it while your couch, it's not. It's just scratching. No, that's called being a man. It's just chilling out. If you're doing it while staring into someone's window who has a restraining order against you, I feel like that's got a sexual undertone to it. Absolutely.

That's different. It's a problem. That is not small town murder approved behavior right there. Please don't do that, folks. Do not do that. We beg of you. We beg of you. So December.

Unless she approves. Unless she asks you. We beg of you. So, December. Unless she approves. Unless she asks you. In the middle of making out, she says, now go outside. Do me a favor. I like to be stared at through the window while somebody slow tugs on top of their seat. I'm going to draw the blinds open. Now you stand out there. I'm just going to be doing the dishes and shit like that.

I just want to know what's happening behind me. It turns me on. I'm going to be reading a book. It's that. I just want to know what's happening behind me. It turns me on. I'm going to be reading a book. It's better for later. Sipping some tea. Normal shit. I want you outside the window. I have some bills I have to pay.

I'm going to get online and do that. I'm going to balance the checkbook. Some stuff. Maybe vacuum the living room. You tug to it. Look over the kids' homework. There's things I have to do. So while I'm doing that, you stay outside.

My God. Oh, God damn it. Rick is forced pretty much to go see a psychologist in December of 1992, which, thank shit. If anybody needs it. It's about time. I want him to move in with a psychologist. I want to just move into his house. Have a roommate.

Have a roommate. And I want them to just stare at him all the time and go, let's take a look at Rick. He's been prowling. So this psychologist said that Forsythe here, Rick, had been chronically depressed for at least a year. It's when his wife left him. He's saying that's the year. And he's saying it probably extends all the way back to Eric. And then it probably extends all the way back to the 70s from there.

Birth of problem child. That'll do it. Yeah. This particular run of depression, though, is based in a year from there, he's saying. And he keeps being depressed. January of 93, Rick calls Jolene's sister-in-law, Diana, Diana Reinhardt. He's calling her on a daily basis. Just constantly.

She doesn't have a restraining order against him, so he's calling her. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why she wouldn't. He's just talking about Jolene, the kids, the divorce. Imagine having that guy. Oh, Jesus. And he's sad, and he's upset, and he's depressed, and he went to counseling, and why doesn't she like me? And is she seeing anybody?

And what are the kids up to? Is everything okay? The only time that conversation is warranted is when somebody calls you and says how are things going yeah i've got a lot on my fucking plate if you want to hear i'll unload but if you don't don't open that can of worms nope this guy's calling her uh daily with this and and sometimes more than once a day it's up up it's r Rick again. Jesus Christ. And 93. This is beginning of caller ID. And I don't know if it was available in Iowa. She might have had to just pick this phone up blind and then be like, Jesus Christ.

Please be a telemarketer. She's expecting a call. I'm expecting my mother to call. God damn it. Damn it. It's me again. Fuck. Fuck.

Put it away. Stop. I know you're on top of the seam. I know it. I can hear it. I can hear it. I. Put it away. Stop. You're on top of the seam. I know it. I can hear it. I can hear it. I can hear it. So this poor lady is dealing with that.

February of 93, Jolene's sister-in-law, Cindy Reinhart, she overhears a phone conversation that Rick has with his daughter, Nikki. Now, Nikki is the non-mentally disabled daughter. So Jessica is the one. Jessica's, yeah. Nikki's the second child born non-disabled. At this point, the only non-disabled one left. In the house, right? In the house or wherever they are.

She has a conversation with Rick over the phone. Cindy Reinhart overhears it. And during this conversation, Rick tells Nikki that it would never be over. And if the family tried running he would quote kill them all holy fuck that's a that's now it's not just like no i'm not gonna let this divorce happen i'm gonna try hard and i'm gonna go to counseling and we're not it's not gonna go through it's not that anymore it's not standing outside that's if you try to run i'll kill all of you that's a threat of multiple lives yeah uh 93, the next month, Jolene's brother, John, she has a huge family.

They're very involved, these people. John overhears Rick tell Jolene when they're arguing, quote, you are bringing this all on yourself. If you don't quit, I will kill you and the others. Fuck. Which this is a threat right to her now, overheard. And he's saying it in the presence of others. That's the thing. Her brother's there.

You don't threaten people's lives in front of their brother. How did the brother not go over and go, well, what the fuck are you talking about? Hey, dude, chill out on the fucking murder talk. What are you doing? What about I punch you in the ear? What sort of fucking kill my sister and her kids? I'm going to beat you to death with a fucking ear of corn if you keep this shit up. If I had a sister, I would not be okay with this.

There would be an issue. There would be cops being called for other purposes that day. You just threatened my sister's life, asshole. Are you nuts? So also this month, Rick tells Jessica, tells a former teacher of Jessica's now, a teacher that he knows from town. But this is someone who worked with his daughter at school. This isn't someone you kind of tell intricate whatever.

He tells her that Rick tells her that he would kill Jolene and the children before he would allow a divorce. That's really opening up. Now he's just running into the daughter's old teacher down at the Walgreens and he's like, hey, did I tell you I'm going to kill everybody? I just want to let you know

that divorce isn't happening. My daughter got a C in her class. Don't worry. She's going to be fucking dead soon. Don't worry. I'm going to kill her and everyone around her. Yeah. No, they're like, whoa, I don't know anything about this here. Have you ever talked to, like, outside of parent-teacher conferences, I took my daughter

to school the other day, dropped her off in her class, and it was the second time I've met her teacher. I was going to say, yeah, parent-teacher conference. No, I don't. I never talk to them, like, socially. No, no, no. Not at all. I actually had, this was weird as shit.

I was at Stand Up Live doing a comedy show and my son's teacher was at the show. Oh, Jesus. And she came up to me afterwards and she's like, hi. Yeah, to give you shit about what you said about your son. No, no, she thought it was great. She thought it was great actually. She was like, that's really clever. But she was like, hi. And I had five seconds of blank because

that's not where she, that's. What the fuck do you want, lady? I don't know who she was. Yeah. I didn't recognize her. And then I i didn't recognize her and then i was like oh shit you're way out of context behind your head makes so much more sense you do not belong here and it was freaky wall behind you is really fucking me this is super weird yeah it took me like five seconds to register who she was and then i was like oh my yeah okay i know who you are i would never recognize my daughter's teacher outside of anywhere especially she was like dressed to go out. She wasn't dressed like just going to school

to teach kids that day. She had like makeup on and shit. It was like, that's the Lord. Yeah, that's bizarre. It was creepy. I can't even imagine.

I wanted her to leave. I couldn't talk to her. I can't look at your face. I literally was like, nice to see you. And then I talked to the next person behind her coming out of the showroom.

So Rick also at this point is no longer driving the bus. Okay. Probably because he has a restraining order and can't be around his kids or who knows knows so he begins working as a custodian at drake university oh god you mean janitor a janitor so what he's doing is going around mopping and just plotting and see and just seething oh he's that guy you know he is he's dragging that fucking

giant gray trash can thousand yard stare into nothing and the kids are like that dude's gonna snap bro you know there's kids hacky s the kids are like, that dude's going to snap, bro. You know there's kids hacky-sacking all around him like, that dude's going to snap, bro. I bet I can get him to snap and they like throw some garbage on the ground. Watch, watch. I bet he'll snap, man. And he just walks right over it. He just glares. He doesn't even acknowledge it.

The mumbles, fuck you. Just never looks at anything. Just sweeps things up into that little push broom with the handle. It's just been one of those. One that folds up when you pick it up. He's just like, mm-hmm. The kids are like, dude, he's going to snap. They take bets on how long it's going to be. So April 1993, April 27th, to be exact, he is charged with harassing Jolene.

This is in addition to the divorce proceedings, the whole deal. They talk to a neighbor at this point and they're like, you know, what's going on about this? There's a neighbor says, quote, we weren't real nosy neighbors, but we did wonder how they were doing. They're like, I don't know what's going on over here. He's always outside. What did Jolene do for work?

I don't, I'm not sure what she did for work exactly, Jolene. She had to be just fucking doing great because- She had to be focusing. He's not making any goddamn money. No, I don't know what you make as a custodian. And also- Less than a bus driver, I imagine. Early 90s Iowa was probably pretty inexpensive, which helps, but maybe he's making more than a bus driver. I don't know.

I'm not sure. I mean, one, you're only responsible for the lives of the whole town's children. The other one, you have a mop, Jimmy. You're responsible for the pine saw. You have a lot of things you really need to keep track of. You think they're using pine saw in a fucking college? No way. They're bleaching everything.

They give him a key to that little closet with all the supplies. Think about that. You never know what he could make in there. There's tens of dollars worth of supplies in there he could have. I mean, you've got to trust a guy. You know what I mean? So he's doing this here. One, Rhonda Ostrander, who's a neighbor, she said she would see Rick visiting the youngest daughter and all that sort of thing when he's not supposed to.

He'd come and visit Jessica, and she said, quote, they would park down the street from the house. He wasn't supposed to go near the house. So he'd pick her up and go park down the street and talk to her. It's so creepy, man. May 1993, he completes the Minnesota minnesota multi-phasic personality inventory test what in may 1993 apparently that's oh yeah yeah i'm on board it's a psychological evaluation and it's in connection with the divorce and the custody proceedings like let's see how sane he is if he can even see these fucking kids let's see how many personalities you have yeah

let's look into this pal uh so So May 6, 93, he's found in contempt of court because they found him entering the wife's property here, Jolene's property, on two different occasions, which was violating the restraining order. He's ordered to serve 14 days in jail. Shit. By August 1st.

This is May, so he has until August 1st to report. But he's got to serve 14 days in jail. He's freaking out over the jail time, apparently, going nuts over it, really freaking out, which, I mean, he'd probably be out in eight days or something. Yeah, but that's a lot of fucking time. I understand that, and he's not the type of guy who I feel like is going to do well in that environment. You think eight days. That doesn't sound like a lot, but then you start taking the time out of that.

Oh, yeah, it's a lot. Seven days. That's a full week. It's a big deal. So doesn't sound like a lot. But then you start taking the time out of that. Oh, yeah, it's a lot. Seven days. That's a full week. It's a big deal. So he's not OK with it. His landlord said he's super depressed. And he told his landlord that he didn't think he could handle going to jail and he wasn't going to be able to do it. So, yeah, it's a problem.

But not a problem enough for him to stop doing the shit he's doing. Really? Nope. Not a problem enough for him to stop doing the shit he's doing. Really? Nope. He also at this point is charged with harassment for making numerous, uncountable, numerous hang-up phone calls to Jolene. So he just keeps doing that. So he's got a trial for that charge scheduled for June 28, 1993.

So he's got a lot of shit going up. He's got jail. He's got trials. Divorce proceedings are to be held. The dissolution trial is to be held in July of 93. He's got a ton of court dates for such minimal shit. He's got three months straight of court dates and then jail. So this is going to be a bad summer here.

He's going to be wishing he was shucking corn with the kids. Right in the time of the best fucking parades, too. Oh, God. He's going to miss out on so much candy and free corn. It's ridiculous. So many water balloon fights. He's missing out on all of it. So many lightning bugs being hit with wiffle bats and aluminum bats.

It's not even funny. He could be having so much fun pretending he's an alien. There are so many fucking, yeah, so many lightning bugs there. Early June 1993. Okay. It's getting pressing here. All of his things pushing down on him. getting pressing here, all of his things pushing down on him.

Diana Reinhart, who we discussed before, said that now he's calling her more frequently. Now more than twice a day. Now it's every 10 minutes, and he's always very upset. That's too much. He's always upset. He's crying. He's angry. He's mad.

He's yelling. What's going to happen? Is she calling the police at all? Calling for help of anything? No, he's not threatening her. He's not threatening anybody. He's just saying how upset he is all the time. So is she like trying to manage this for him? She's trying to manage him, I feel like.

Like if I can calm him down, then he'll leave Jolene a little bit alone. I feel like this isn't the way to do it, but she's just trying. Think of this. She's in her goddamn kitchen. Her kids are running around. It's back then. She's got a long cord on the phone. She's like, yeah, I know.

She's making spaghetti. I don't know what Jolene. Yes, I know. It's very sad. I'm got a long cord on the phone. She's like, yeah, I know. She's making spaghetti. I don't know what Jolie. Yes, I know. It's very sad. I'm sorry. Will you, John, put that down. Stop. Stop pulling your sister's hair. Yes, I know. It's very sad. I understand. Like this poor woman. I gotta go. The kids just fell. No, no, no. Don't let go. Don't hang up. Don't hang up. I'll just wait. I'll just wait. I'll just wait.

Here, I got a seam tub. It's all right. I'll rub my seam. So Diana characterizes Rick as obsessed and he's really upset and over the moon distraught by the fact that Jolene has made a male friend. Oh, boy. A guy named Mark that she is now dating. And this is, I mean, can you imagine this guy? Everything.

He's trying to keep everything under control. He's stalking, and now this happens. In breakups, though, this happens every time. Somebody's going to get into a relationship first. this happens. In breakups, though, this happens every time. Somebody's going to get into a relationship first. It happens. When you break up with somebody, you should be in a rush to get over it and fucking learn whatever lesson you're going to learn from this to be the person that drives the other person mad

by getting somebody much hotter than them. Yeah, sure. That should be the way that everybody should approach. That's healthy. Right. That seems healthy. Be in a rush to fucking be, not in a rush to get into a relationship. No, just get over it, though.

You've got to try to get over it. To get to fucking compartmentalize all that anger and hatred. Well, for her, it's been, you know, Christ almighty. That's my point. It's been a year and a half. She's like, fuck it, I'm going to heal and be done with this. It's been a year and a half. She's just looking to have a life at this point.

Time to ride cock. Let's go. While she's looking, yeah, while she is trying to have a life, he's not letting her, though, Rick. Her cousin Tony Selsey said, I think that's how you pronounce that, Tony Selsey, she said, quote, he would just see what they were doing. He would stand on benches

in the back of the house, looking in the window and watching them. She would call the police and all they would say is they couldn't do anything because he hasn't broken the law. This is what I mean. These fucking cops, and it's not their fault because legally they can't do anything because he hasn't broken the law. This is what I mean. These fucking cops. And it's not their fault because legally they can't do anything. I mean, you know what, though?

There should be somebody that could go over there and go, if I fucking catch you in this yard again, I'm going to crack you with this goddamn nightstick in the side of your fucking head. Get the fuck out of here, you asshole. But if the cousin or the brother-in-law says that to him, then they go to jail for making a threat. It's fucking stupid. This is like there should be one head-cracking squad guy who's just like, I got to go. There's a guy standing on a fucking bench looking at his ex-wife again.

I'll be back in 10 minutes. He's just got to go over. He brushes off his stick. I got to go knock this guy upside the head. Crack some knuckles. Cut it out. Crack. Oh, shit.

Sorry. So they need some stalking laws here. This is rough. June 12, 1993, my birthday. Hey. I remember watching the sons lose to the Bulls that day. This

whole time you're saying 92 and 93, I keep thinking, oh, the Bulls are making a run right now. Yeah, they are. I remember watching this and being very angry at John Paxson for hitting that fucking shot. Anyway, at this moment here, there's two little girls that are Mark, her boyfriend. Mark Napodano is his name. He There's two little girls that are Mark, her boyfriend. Mark

Napodano is his name. He's got two little girls, Martina, who's nine years old, and Helen, who's seven years old. Those are his kids, and he's trying to kind of introduce his kids to her family, and they're trying to kind of figure out what they're doing. Trying to blend this shit. Yeah. These girls are on vacation.

They go to Gary Elementary School in West Chicago, and they're visiting their father here who lives in Des Moines. Mark manages a power tool service center in Des Moines. He's killing it. He's killing it. That's what I mean. So that's doing well. That's doing well. He's managing...

I'm the manager of the whole power tool service center. All of it. If you need a drill fixed, I'm your fucking guy. I'm your man. I can do it. Your fucking key broke to get the bits in and out? I got them. I got you. By the fistful. I'll just give you one.

It's all yours. Here you go. It's in my pocket. And guess what? On the other side, I'll get you an ear of corn for free. No problem. It's a bonus. No, everything.

Every purchase comes with corn, Jimmy. That's how it works there. That's what they do. Buy your healthy, get a fucking ear of corn. It's like in Family Guy when you go to Texas and every purchase comes with a gun, state law. He's like, why are you giving me a gun? He's like, every bottle of liquor comes with a gun. State law. All right. I guess I'll take it. That's what goes on here. Comes with an ear of corn. I'm sorry. North Carolina. It's a pack of cigarettes. Yes. Here you go. It's a pack

of Marlboro. I'm sorry. You have to have a smoke, smoke up Johnny. So, uh have the smoke up, Johnny. So Mark is also recently divorced. His divorce had just been finalized in May. He divorced his wife, Paige, in May. And this was up in Minnesota. He came to Des Moines and the girls moved with their mother from Winfield, or to Winfield, I'm sorry, from Minnesota. So they went to school that year. The girls sing in the choir at the church, the Bethany Lutheran Church of Batavia. They sing in the choir.

Oh, God. Nice girls. Mark's dating Jolene. Seems like a good thing. Oh, boy. Rick is still going nuts. Rick tells a neighbor about this because he's talking to a neighbor about this whole thing. He'll talk to anyone that comes around.

So he talked to a neighbor, and he's like, you know, she's with this guy. And the neighbor's like, well, you know, maybe it's okay. And he says, quote, she doesn't know what she wants, but she is an unfit mother. That I do know. So she's just like, I don't know what she wants, but she's a shit mother with these goddamn kids. The neighbor who had this conversation actually said that Jolene was an excellent mother. And that part was very inaccurate. She's very caring of her kids, the whole uh so on Sunday was an argument yeah exactly on Sunday

June 13th 1990 yeah you think he'd be like okay yeah she'd be like yeah no totally terrible yeah I see all the time kids are running down the street naked yep that's what happens dirty naked and malnourished she's a pretty good mom well let's fucking talk about what I know that you don't know and then there's a big fucking argument. Well, let's fucking talk about what I know that you don't know. And then there's a big fucking argument. You're right. I saw them cleaning up roadkill for dinner. Exactly.

She said, bring them home. And I brought it home. And it was raccoon. It's OK. So Sunday night, June the 13th, Mark goes out of town. He has the kids for the weekend. But he has an early morning appointment in another town in Des Moines. So he goes to stay in Des Moines just to be there because it's like it's 630 in the morning or something.

So he's going to go there, which still doesn't make sense. Your kids are here, but he goes anyway. He leaves the house. He leaves the kids with her. Leaves the kids with her and her kids. Yeah, on a Sunday night, you know, in the summer. With his unfit mother. With the unfit mother.

It's the summertime. I mean, I'm sure they were looking at the cornfields and playing baseball out there waiting for ghosts to come out of the field. Any day now, we can harvest that. We can do it any day. Kids, get your shucking gloves on. Let's do it here. So he's doing that. The kids are with Jolene, so that seems fine. Everything seems fine

except for the next morning when nobody can get a hold of Jolene and she misses an appointment. And they're like, where's Jolene? What's going on? What's happening? So they go over to try to figure out where the hell Jolene is, and if maybe the phone's broken, because who knows?

I mean, it could cut a line. Somebody was plowing or something. They cut the line out there. I don't know how it works. So 12.30 p.m., so we're at noon, a little afternoon on Monday, June the 14th. Jolene's brother, Kevin Reinhardt, a lot of Reinhardts in this story. Yeah, no doubt. Reinhardt comes over.

He goes to their home with his neighbor, a guy named Wyman is his last name, and one of Wyman's sons also is with him. And a boombox blaring the song Jolene, because that's how you get her. That's how you get her attention, because then she breaks out a window and throws things at you. She says, stop, stop out a window and throws things at you. Stop. Stop it. I hate Dolly Parton. She fucked my husband. I mean that song. They climb into a window. Kevin climbs into a window with this Wyman's son behind him. Kevin gets halfway in the window and then stops and pushes the son back out and says, quote, you don't want to come in here.

Go call 9-1-1. come in here. Go call 911. Oh, shit. There's problems, obviously, here. There's a reason why no one has been answering and that sort of thing. They go through the house. They go upstairs to Jolene's bedroom, to the master bedroom. The police did. The police do.

Yeah, they call 911. They don't go in and investigate any further, Kevin Reinhart. Police go in. They find Jolene, Brian, Nikki, and Jessica side by side in the master bed, in the bedroom, in the bed in the master bedroom, side by side

all covered in a blanket. Jesus. Together, all dead. Yeah. All dead. Jolene and Brian had been shot to death. Jesus. Nikki had been strangled. Oh, fuck, man. And Jessica had been shot to death. Jesus. Nikki had been strangled. Oh, fuck, man. And Jessica had been suffocated. What the fuck? Suffocated.

Couldn't take so much time. Why would you do that? Why? Why? Oh, Jesus. There's no fucking... I don't understand the instinct to want to kill everybody anyway. Right.

But once you're doing it, why wouldn't... And especially they're your kids who you've, I don't understand. Jessica was the developmentally disabled one. Jessica was one. And Nikki was the one that was fine. She was fine. And he strangled her so personal. Each child was killed in a different manner.

Shot, strangled, suffocated. Oh, fuck. That is horrible. And how do you suff, like with a pillow you think? Or what do you think he did? Or just his hand? It's not said in the thing. It's not said, but she's, it's, that's right.

Why do I know so many ways of fucking suffocating someone? Well, there's a lot of ways to suffocate. Shit. It's a lot. You've tried this many times. But I mean, to strangle one, to suffocate another. It's so much. And then bring them all in there to stage them on the bed like that and cover them up.

Where are the other girls at? So let's talk about this here. They do, all the evidence suggests, by the way, that they were killed in other rooms, obviously, and placed in the mat. They weren't all sleeping in bed together. Also found the girls, the Napadano girls, were found in a downstairs bedroom shot to death. Of course. He shot them so angrily.

Because, you know, nine and seven, they're going to be a real... I'm sure they've caused him tons of problems. He said something so horrible when he did it, too. It's fucking horrific. What a pile of shit. What a complete pile of shit. They're side by side with a blanket over them, too. Can't look at them. He's got a style. Yeah, that's what I mean.

He knows what he did is fucking wrong. He knows what he did is wrong. He knows what he did is wrong so much that Rick is also found in the master bedroom with a gunshot wound to the head and to his wrist. Oh, shit. So Rick is still alive. Oh, boy. He's been sitting there for, you know, several hours, bleeding out from the head and wrist. Wow.

So he's alive. By the way, he put two bullets two bullets in himself yeah and couldn't do it and couldn't get it done couldn't finish it he should have suffocated himself or maybe strangled himself that seemed to work put a hand over your mouth and nose you did do that yeah yeah there you go do that unbelievable jump in the bathtub so this piece of shit here uh they found two apparent suicide notes uh one in the, he rented a room somewhere they found there, and one was in the actual home they found. So he wrote

two different ones. Handwriting experts said that each, that they're his, Rick's handwriting. The one found in his rented room there, his house, his apartment, repeatedly expressed his desire to stop all the pain and to save his family so they could all be together.

He's this fucking idiot. The note, he talks about his son Eric's death a lot, and he wishes to, quote, save us all after Eric's death so there would be no more pain. Oh, my God. And then he's got, there's apologies in there. He says, at one point, I'm sorry, but I have to have my family. That's what he says. I'm sorry, but I'm so selfish.

I'm going to kill everyone so we can have this fantasy. Nobody has that family now. No. That's six fucking bodies. That's insane. That's so much. Yeah. So much pain.

Too much, we'll say. I would venture to say that. So they found the second note at the scene in the original house, Jolene's house. This one also references Eric. Also, four different references to now how their family can be together now. Also, an apology, a request for God to forgive him for the deaths of the two little girls. Oh, I'm sure. Not for his family.

I'm sure he'll be right up for that. Yeah, he's like, obviously, I did a good thing by killing my whole family. Now we're all together. That's not even on the table. We're banging on the pearly gates, obviously. I'm slow tugging outside the pearly gates now. That's not an issue. I'm rubbing on my seam, begging St. Pete to open this door.

That's not an issue at all. That's fine. But the little girls, they could see how someone would frown upon that, apparently. You could take umbrage with that. So let me explain. Yeah. apparently you could you could take umbrage with that so let me explain yeah at the bottom of the note there was a list of people and phone numbers who uh apparently that he thought should be contacted when all of these people were found no you know call my aunt call this one call that one yeah so people obviously don't worry i got a feeling they're gonna hear about it yeah uh people

obviously fairly freaked out about this uh jolene's cousin, the Tony Selsey, who had talked about him earlier, said, quote, he had mentioned to our family that he'd kill them all. And everybody else in town. We never really thought he'd go through with it. It's the worst tragedy of all, to go in there and shoot everybody. What are the Norwalk

police going to do now? Because she said that she was the one who said they won't do anything. What are they going to do now? Now that they're they, she was the one who said they won't do anything. What are they going to do now? Now that they're all dead. Now, can you fucking do something about it? Another, the neighbor named John Donna Jones, Jesus Christ. She wasn't surprised at all. She said she saw the police cars coming down the street and said, quote, what happened?

Did that lunatic down the street kill his family? I don't think anybody's shocked. That's she's at least. I don't think anybody's that shocked. We all expected it. I don't know why's shocked. She's that late. I don't think anybody's that shocked. We all expected it. I don't know why I gave her that accent, but she's in Iowa. An angry woman. We all expected it. Let me tell you something, sweetheart. We knew this day would come.

A friend of Brian here said, quote, I saw this coming big time. I worked with Brian at an elementary school. He was a special education student, and he worked with me as a learning experience. His dad was constantly driving by, I guess checking up on brian so he's just completely crazy here uh rick survives yeah he survives he's in the hospital cleaned him up addressed his wounds and he's fine he's recovering wow uh what he is though is he's claiming he has amnesia the shot to the head i don't remember a fucking thing so So how could I possibly help in my defense, making me not competent to stand trial? That's what he's trying to pull here. If I don't remember it, how could I possibly talk about it? So several doctors talk to him,

as you might imagine. Several people say, let me take a crack and see what's going on here. Dr. William Robert McMorty, who's a clinical neuropsychologist, which was my old job right before this. I was a clinical neuropsychologist. You know what? It's a little much. That guy's doing great. He's doing well for himself. He interviewed him four times over the next month while he's

in the hospital. Spent seven and a half hours with Rick. What a nightmare. This poor bastard. He said that in his professional opinion, Rick was competent to stand trial and that it doesn't that his evaluation does not support an insanity defense at all. So that's one psychological person says he's fine. Seven and a half hours with that man earning every fucking dime he makes. Oh, you are.

You are. What a horrible thing that would be. I hope he's not getting paid by the state. No doubt. He's not making a dick. Another one, Dr. Lauren Olson, who's a psychiatrist, saw him, saw Rick on about 10 occasions in the hospital following everything, following the murders here. He said in his opinion that Rick understood the gravity of the situation, the legalities of it. He also stated that if he's an amnesiac, it's impossible to determine whether he understood the nature of his actions or mental capacity or nature of his actions when he was doing it.

Sure. So it would be hard to know if he had the mental capacity to know the difference. So he's basically a maybe. Yeah. He didn't really have a strong opinion. I don't fucking know. I don't fucking know, man. Another one, Dr. Mark Souza, and this guy will come up a few times.

He says that Rick, he is aware of his legal circumstances. He knows of no impairments in his ability to communicate with his counsel other than amnesia that he says he has. He said all he can look at is what he's looking at in front of him. And he says, I don't know about the mental capacity of when he did the crime. Sure. Right now he seems fine to me, basically, other than not remembering shit. Another one, Dr. William Logan, who's a forensic psychiatrist. He interviews Rick for six hours.

Another one, poor bastard. He had tons of documents from all of his history and everything like that. His opinion is that Rick is not competent to stand trial. Yeah. He said that he suffered from a major depressive disorder complicated by psychotic features and at the time of the murders that this is the mental disease. This mental disease prevented him from being able to tell the difference between right and wrong or to appreciate the nature and quality of his conduct.

Wow. Who paid him? Holy shit. That's really fucking depressive right there. They had to go through until they found one asshole who said it. One guy was like, he's fine. The other two were like, I think he's fine's fine but i don't know and this guy's like holy shit he's this poor man but if you're looking at the stats that's a fucking draw right down the

middle yeah that's one and one for sure exactly the other two are i don't know well they have a hearing on it that's what they do here they had a have a hearing uh because he files an application for a hearing to determine his competency, obviously. He argued that the amnesia was from a gunshot wound. He's unable to appreciate the charges, understand the proceedings, effectively assist in his defense, all of this shit. I hate that usage of the word appreciate so much. Yeah, it's so silly. After Weinstein used it.

Let's just say understand. Right. I'm saying I appreciate my actions as I have learned from them. Don't say I appreciate. You appreciate that you fucking almost raped women, you asshole. You did rape. You forcibly gave oral sex. Say appreciate

when somebody does something nice for you. Say understand when you fucked up. Nice, appreciate. You fuck up, understand. That's how shit works. That's how it works. Jesus Christ. I hate that usage of it. Now, the court says the amnesia surrounding these events does not automatically render him incompetent to stand trial. The test of the test of the competency to stand trial is whether he appreciates the charges and can effectively assist in his defense. Which, yeah, I would say the Dr. Sousa, who we talked to, he testifies in this hearing saying that he performed the

whole evaluation. And he says that Rick is aware of his circumstances and able to comprehend. Also, they have an officer, Hosey, who testifies. He was guarding Rick while he was hospitalized. He says that he heard Rick on the phone have a conversation with his father. And Rick explained to his father that he understood that the state was attempting to make a case against him for killing his wife and children. So he understands the charges is what they're saying. He appreciates it.

Yeah. In the ruling, he appreciates it. He appreciates it. I appreciate that they're making this case, God damn it. I do, too. Someone should God damn appreciate it. In the ruling, the district court finds that Rick is suffering from amnesia with respect to the events of June 13th, and the amnesia might be permanent. However, they conclude that he does understand the charges and is able to communicate with his counsel and assist in his defense, and he is competent and ordered to stand trial.

Eat a dick, sir. There's a state shrink in this, as you can imagine, a state psychiatrist who he probably has a different opinion. Dr. Michael Taylor, he says it's his opinion that he's not suffering. Rick isn't suffering from any mental disease or defect at the time of the murders or now. He's capable of all this shit. He's full of shit. Doesn't think he has amnesia either. Just basically think that he's completely full of shit.

I wish courtrooms went like that. That would be amazing. Your honor, I have. Didn't doctors say that? I went to medical school. In my professional medical opinion, that man's full of shit. I wish courtrooms went like that. That would be amazing. Your Honor, I have... Good doctors say that. I went to medical school. In my professional medical opinion, that man's full of shit. Eight years of residency, and in my professional opinion, you, sir, are full of shit. That's how I label you, professionally.

Prosecution, their case in the trial, they have a lot of case. First of all, there's tons of record establishing that he's stalked people, that he stalked them, threatened them, told family he was going to kill them. He was found at the scene right by the four dead bodies with a gun in his hand and gunpowder residue on his hands. The gun that he had, the Norwalk police testified, was the same gun that he turned into them when he had that incident back in the year before when he turned his gun in for a minute.

So there's that. It was noticeably the same gun that was used on the kids. Noticeably, Norwalk. All nine of the empty casings found in the house were fired from that gun, which is his gun in his hand with gunpowder residue all over himself. The notes that were found in the crime scene and at his house strongly implicate the defendant, I would say. I would say it's strong.

It's a strong implication. It's written by him. He says he has a desire to unify his family so they would be together forever with God in heaven. That's pretty specific right there. I don't think that's not a metaphor. For forgiveness of the other two. That's not metaphor.

And begging, begging for forgiveness for killing children. That's the other thing, too, is the note that the home says that he has regrets for killing the two girls. Also, the placement of the kids, Jolene and the three kids in the bedroom is very symbolic of his. We're getting all together. We're all going to be in the bed together with the blanket on us and I'll be over here. And those other kids downstairs way the fuck away. Get them out of here. They were just down there.

Somebody else's fucking kids. Left them where they were laying here. Jesus. Now, there's some controversy over Jolene's journal. She kept a journal that she kept basically records of every time he called, visited, followed them around. This was at the her attorneys and her family told

her to do this when she filed for the divorce and got the restraining order. Write it all down. Document it. So there's all of this stuff and he, Rick does not want this to be admissible. No, you don't want this to be read in court. They rule that it's not prejudicial to Rick. It's just, it is what it is.

And also, a lot of it is redundant with what people say. Like, it'll be like July 12th, he stalked me, and then her cousin will testify that on July 12th, I saw him stalking her. So it's like, it doesn't matter anyway. It's just backup. The defense, they have a case, too. Yeah. They're trying.

Really? They don't just say. They're swinging for the fence on us. He says that the state failed to prove that he did anything, that he's the perpetrator even of the crimes. Wow. He argues the physical evidence shows that he couldn't have committed the murders. Couldn't have at all.

He said that Kevin Reinhart, the guy who discovered the bodies, or Mark, whose daughters are downstairs, or maybe another unnamed individual or them together committed the crimes. Anybody but me. OJ just said it's Colombian drug dealers. I think she had an ex-boyfriend that was angry. That's what he just did here. The Bojangles defense. Yeah. He points to numerous – he's just pointing out to picky stuff about the evidence

to try to challenge it rick's big thing in his lawyers is that there's no blood was found on jessica's hair uh her head was found on a pillow which had a bunch of his blood on it but not her blood which whatever rick says that the only way that could happen is if her head went on the pillow after he shot himself so he's saying someone shot me and then put her head on the pillow. Or it just splattered that way, and that's fucking life here. So that's a big sticking point that he's trying to say. That means I didn't kill the kids. There's an expert witness that says why that happened.

He said that the possibility of absorption into the pillow and the streaming of blood into crevices away from Jessica's head. That's what he said. So it's, you know, otherwise, who knows? It could have just happened there. Or they said it might just be that the crime scene photographer was just screwed up when he said he didn't see blood in the hair. It just could be one of those. So it's like there's a million different reasons why that could be. He also says, Rick says uh he emphasizes the alleged

presence outside of the upstairs bathroom uh of of a blood type which didn't match any of the victims rick uh uh mark or kevin none of these people it matches someone came over somewhere yeah someone came over and bled that could have been any time though and it's not a lot of blood it's a dry it's a little tiny bit of blood. Somebody picked their nose in the bathroom, and now they got a nosebleed. Yeah, well, there was evidence that the blood sample here, that sample, was very saturated and had the smell of urine. The jury said, you know, who knows? It was too contaminated anyway.

They said it might not have been able to match it to anybody. Could have been a dog's blood. Could have been anything. A dog with a bloody dick somewhere. Anybody could have been a dog's blood could have been anything with a bloody dick somewhere. Rick also says there's no blood trail between the bed and the master bedroom and his jeans, which are on the floor. He's like the absence of the blood trail here. That's evidence that someone else, the actual murderers, removed his jeans from him after he was shot in the head. And yeah, it was found on the jeans.

This is the weirdest fucking thing. and uh yeah it was found on the jeans this is the weirdest fucking thing it's for somebody that that let's let's fucking play devil's advocate and say somebody else did this because for for all the evidence and he's talking about like he wrote these notes that they're all going to be dead and we're all going to go to heaven together yeah and all of a sudden he's got like he's going to defend himself against this that's crazy too that's crazy that's a nutty thing to do he was so dedicated to being dead and now that he's not dead now he doesn't want to be part of this at all yeah what the what are you talking about yeah it's very much like he was rubbing the seam too hard got real just like when you masturbate and then when it's done like reality comes rushing back yeah that's kind of where he's after you

murder your whole family and then you try to kill yourself and it doesn't happen you wake up in the hospital and then you're like oh my god what have i done you wake up in the hospital with a police guard by your bed you're like just like when you've done master and you're like what have i done i did it again this is a little worse i'm gonna say a little bit worse yeah it's still harder to clean up and worse let's just say that i just can't believe he's defending himself against this. Like, why not just be like, yeah, I did it. I need punishment. You're going to die one day.

You'll go back to him. No. If that was your plan and that's what you believe, then you're going to go back to him when you die in jail. Why not fucking give a shit? Why give a shit? Who cares? Or try again. I don't know.

Why defend yourself? Kill yourself. This guy could try again. Who cares? Why kill yourself? Why don't you just go for the death penalty? And does Iowa have it? I don't know. Why defend yourself? Kill yourself. This guy could try again. Who cares? You tried to kill yourself. Why don't you just go for the death penalty? Does Iowa have it? I don't know.

They're not going for it here if they do have it. So he says that the reason why there's no blood trails, an expert says, is because there's also a pillow, a huge pillow found in the bedroom. It's soaked with blood that he probably put the bodies on and dragged them up there because it's a lot easier to do that. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, that's the theory there. He also, Rick here, he argues that there was a use of gloves and an attempt to clean up blood evidence that aren't consistent with him committing suicide or trying to commit suicide or wanting to commit suicide.

It's like, why would I clean shit up if I was contemplating suicide? If I was going to kill myself, why wouldn't I just leave it everywhere and write a note? Maybe you weren't contemplating when you first started all this shit. Well, he left a note at his house that was a suicide note, too. But still, they're saying, why would I clean this up? And they say, the state's answer is, well, the record reveals that you have a low-functioning IQ. That's what they said. And you're clearly unstable, and your efforts to conceal some shit are probably, they're

not inconsistent with your otherwise irrational behavior. That's what it says in the court documents. I love that so much. Let's not try to make heads or tails of this. You're clearly off your rocker. Well, sir, you're a moron. In addition to being a little crazy, you're also a moron. So I just wanted to let you know that.

You're actually an idiot, just so you know. a little crazy, you're also a moron. So I just wanted to let you know that. You're actually an idiot. Just so you know. Technically. Medically, you're an idiot. So I just wanted you to know that. That's awesome. He tries to make a big deal out of the fact that Martina Napodano, Mark's daughter, was wearing some of her father's, a big t-shirt of her dad's and something of her

mom's. So he says, well, that's obviously Mark came over and killed him and put his her mom's but uh so he says well that's obviously mark came over and killed him and put his clothes on him and it's no they also said that sometimes kids when they go stay somewhere want to like bring their dad's t-shirt to wear at night or something like that when she stays with me that's what i mean my daughter all the time she loves to put my shirts on big t-shirts or a hoodie or some shit like that so yeah exactly so fucking seven she isn't we don't even wear the same size and she's still trying that doesn't matter yeah my daughter is i think it's close to same size yeah for you

yeah it's probably more than you your daughter definitely wears taller than you yeah actually so i might want to wear her big shirt probably probably yeah she's definitely taller so uh also they're saying uh he's trying to establish rick's trying to establish evidence that there was a bitter divorce between Mark and his wife. And that's what it was. And he was pissed off. And yeah, that's OK. That's what he's saying. So no one's buying this shit basically here. Also, too, he tries to he tries to challenge what Kevin Reinhardt saw when he first came in the house because he had a conflicting statement about seeing something and seeing something else, which it doesn't really matter because I think in that state, it's a little, you know, you see your sister and all of her kids dead. You might go, holy shit.

I want the fuck out of here. Yeah. You might have your facts a little off. But they also said that he also posits the theory here. Mr. Rick here says that, well, what probably happened is Kevin came in, was trying to kill everybody, obviously, and then I tried to stop him, and during the struggle, he shot me twice. Well, once in the wrist while we were struggling, and then he got the gun and he shot me in

the head. Then he killed everybody, staged it, and left. That's probably what happened. And there's no physical evidence whatsoever to support that. So 1994 in April, there is a verdict. He is found guilty of six counts of first degree murder. Wow. Right before sentencing, they do a motion.

They file a motion for a new trial before sentencing because they're trying to say that a blood specialist from the state gave scientifically false evidence at trial regarding the blood found in the upper hall carpet. Motion is denied. Wow. And he is sentenced. District Judge Dale Hagan asks Rick if he has anything to say for himself before sentencing. This would be the time to say it.

And Rick just shook his head. Nothing to say for yourself, huh? Nothing at all, you piece of shit? Nothing? Okay. Not even I'm sorry. Yeah. So this guy, so Hagan said, okay, well, you're well you're gonna go to prison quote for your lifetime holy shit let's bring in a one thing we do in crime and sports

when someone who deserves to be sentenced to a long prison sentence gets sentenced we have something where we just say the judge might say to him look at him and say you sir may fuck off and send them to prison so you sir may fuck off. Six consecutive life sentences, no parole. Eat a dozen dicks, you asshole. At least six. At least. No, double. I want double.

You know what? One more. Baker's dozen of dicks. Have a Baker's dick dozen. Enjoy, motherfucker. So 1996, their house is sold. The murder house is sold for $58,500. It dropped in price.

It did. There's a reason. New owner also found dried blood in the closet. Oh, shit. She freaked out a little bit. This woman named Selena Ayers said she opened the closet and found dried blood. She said, I was just mad. I thought they had it all cleaned up.

Wow. Crazy. I mean, they don't have to. That's not their responsibility. No. When you bought a house, you should have checked everything. You expect there to not be brain matter on things. I suppose.

There would be viscera all over the place. But you knew what happened in there. And they knew, and that's why they got it cheap. They call it the homicide house. They make jokes. The husband, Brian, says, quote, ghosts would at least understand things I'm talking about around here. It's, yeah.

And then she says, after all that, she said, unfortunately, all those children had to die. Oh, good God. Yeah. What a horrible phrase. She's got a reporter, and she points to a bedroom, and she said, when she's over there, she goes, this is where they found four of them, like pointing over here. There's dead people here. Wow. They said, Brian, the husband, said, quote, when the house was put on the market, there was controversy.

Some people thought the memory should die with the people and that they should tear it down and put up a memorial. But it's a beautiful house. I mean, that doesn't do anybody any service. No, but we've had a few of these where they knock the house down and they build another one. Like, let's just not have this here. But just build a memorial, like a fucking garden or something? Knock that shit down, build another house. That brings way more attention than an actual house there.

The only people that know about it are the people that know about it. Unless you're out there just fucking telling everybody that that's what happened there. And they were just looking for a good price. They said it didn't matter to them. People said they were crazy. They just pulled the carpet up. When they bought it, the carpet was all pulled up from where there was brain matter, that sort of thing. Problems.

That's a good way to put it here. They said they were just looking for a nice house to get pretty cheap yeah uh you got it for 60 grand shut up whatever's in there you're fine with and the real estate agent said quote it would probably cause a house to be on the market for a while a murder quote at some point someone would be able to purchase it for under the market value like these people uh rick is appealing like crazy appeals on several grounds evidence insuff insufficiency, that blood stuff says that that blood stuff with the

state thing that he's giving scientifically inaccurate information. Ineffective assistance of counsel saying that he didn't appropriately fight to say that he was incompetent. Also the journal admission saying Jolene's journal, which doesn't matter because it was duplicated evidence anyway.

And also the evidence exclusion because he had even more crazy theories about Kevin Reinhart that they didn't let him put in because there was zero evidence to possibly back it up. And also they wouldn't let evidence come in of Jolene had a couple therapy sessions in 1985. Who gives a shit? And they wanted to put that. Well, that means that her brother killed everybody. Absolutely. Because she had two therapy sessions

because I was being an asshole. That's what that is. She probably had therapy sessions because of him. Right. It was probably like, I'm going to need to talk to your wife separately so we can figure out

what's going on with him. Or my son died. You know, I'm going to go to therapy for that. Yeah. So trial court excludes all of this shit and says, no, sorry. They affirm everything's all the exclusion of everything and say to fuck off. 2008, another appeal. This one

is all about the competency, all about competency. There's a ton of stuff with the with the all of the different psychiatrists and they're challenging this one. And it's really ridiculous. He says that the experts examining him lacked the requisite training to assist him because they were clinical, not forensic mental health experts. The court says that he presents neither a factual basis for differentiating categorically between clinical and forensic psychiatrists or psychologists, nor any legal authority for that to make a fucking difference at all. You pulled that out of your ass because you saw they were different words. And you were like, maybe that's something. There it is. Throw it against the wall.

Nope, not sticking shit. Wow, man. That spaghetti is not even stringy yet. Like, that's still stiff spaghetti. Yeah. Just because words are different. That's what I mean. That's going to bounce clean off the wall.

Then that's exactly, right off the wall then that's exactly it's bright off like a like a super ball come back hey you're right in the face and they're saying about the lawyer too like he was in a tough spot this lawyer there's tons of evidence and he said that it wouldn't be a good the lawyer basically said it was strategy not to do crazy not to go for the insanity because he it looks like he did it and he didn't want to go for the quote, I did not do it, but if I did, I was insane defense because that never fucking works. And he was right. And this wasn't going to work. Sorry, you were laying there with a gun in your hand.

You're going to prison, asshole. It's going to happen. It's going to happen here. And then look at the husband first. Oh, look, he's here too. Yeah. With gunshot residue fucking everywhere. The court here says that because Forsyth had has alleged no grounds in support for his claim of ineffective assistance of counsel of his appellate counsel beyond those alleged against him at trial alleged against his trial counsel. his asshole self in Anamosa State Prison in Iowa. Of course. Enjoy. Jolene and all the kids, all of her kids, all of their kids,

are buried at Oakwood Cemetery in Pleasant Hill in Iowa. So that's a tragedy. And that is, at the time, one of the worst, and it might have been the worst mass killing in the history of Iowa at the time when that happened. I don't know about now. I'm sure somebody shot up a school or something. Probably of Iowa at the time when that happened. I don't know about now. I'm sure somebody shot up a school or something now.

But at the time, it was. And the dad, the guy that left, he now has to go the rest of his life knowing being guilty, feeling guilty for that. And his crime, what he did was move on with his life and start dating somebody. And it seems like a safe place.

Safest place. It's such a great place. Violent crime is a third of the normal. It's an average town. They're staying on Main Street, USA. There it is. Wow. So that mess of a story. If you like that mess of a story or at least our telling of it, please, please get on iTunes and give us five stars.

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Jimmy, why don't you hit us with the list of our most loved people, our producers. What do you have for us today? It was bananas this week between going to L.A. and performing out there and meeting so many of you unbelievable people. And then we got a gift at the show of note cards to just the outpouring of support from you guys is fucking incredible. And we, we love watching it happen.

So thank you guys all. And the start of this week, we've got Courtney Pentecost, uh, shit right out of the gate. Shit gave us something awesome. Shit's been so good to us. Alexi Makinen. Shit. That sounds terrible. That's definitely not her or his name. Alexi?

Alexi. It's Alexi. That's definitely the first name, but Makinen is not. You've never pronounced the name right. Nobody cares. I said Lino instead of Lino six months ago, and I still fucking get tweets today. Still get tweets about it. And I tell every single one of them to go fuck

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Melissa Butler, John Bickness, Paul Schultz, Laura Sinclair, Blaine Holderby, Melissa Hoover, Luis Figueroa. He was at the show in LA.A., by the way. He drove down from San Francisco with his friends. Oh, awesome, awesome. Thank you. Where was I at? Sarah Suong, S-U-O-N-G.

Suong? Yeah, sure. Sarah Suong. David Edmonds, Jose Olivares. I hope that's one of the Cholos from L.A. I hope so. Those guys were so awesome. Those guys ruled.

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What the hell? I like it. Denise Sanchez. Kellen Englert. Kellen Englert. Aaron Dombrowski. Jessica Paredes. Paredes. Kevin. okay, so here's something.

He's got a business. Kevin, Texera, art and stuff. So try to figure out how to spell Kevin, Texera, art and stuff. Probably like Teixeira, like Mark Teixeira. It's exactly that. Yeah, it's Teixeira. God damn it. Jordan Bodell.

I know who that guy is. Why didn't I try to fucking pronounce it like that? I played in the majors for 15 years. That's like me going Jordane. Jordane is a Jordane. I know who that guy is. Why didn't I try to fucking pronounce it like that? I played in the majors for 15 years. That's like me going Jordan. Jordan. Jordan is a Jordan. No, it's Jordan, you fucking idiot.

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Yeah. Here's an easy one. You ready? Pickles. Good for you, Pickles. Pickles. Thanks for donating. Thank you. Catherine Sawinski.

Craig Ventura. He loves the Mexican pimp and the shawarma man. I just love his brother Ace. No. Not a good joke. Ace Ventura. I don't know. Mark Williams. Terrible. Laura Willis. Ace Ventura? I don't know.

Mark Williams. Terrible. Laura Willis. Amy D'Angelo. Flavia Perez. Andrew Pearson. Scarlett Charlton. Lindsey Ray. Blaze Cruz.

I know how to pronounce that. You almost got me with Blast, but it's definitely Blaze. Blaze Cruz. Luis. Nilo Rafsanjani. Oh, what? Whoa. What was that?

That wasn't bad. Where did I pull that shit out? That came out right, yeah. Holy shit. Aaron Anderson Raphson Johnny. Oh, what? What was that? That wasn't bad. Where did I pull that shit out of? That came out right, yeah. Holy shit. Aaron Anderson. Laura Christensen. The Triloquist in here somewhere. Laura Christensen.

Travis Mays. Corey, Corey, ah, shit. Corey Griton, or Griton, no, Gaiton. It's an A, not an R. Gaiton. Right, Corey Gaiton, that's it. Julie Smallman. That's me, right? Yeah, you got that. Jimmy Smallman. Leslie Green. Guyton. Right. Corey Guyton. That's it. Julie Smallman. That's me, right? Yeah.

You got that. Jimmy Smallman. Leslie Green. Beth Burleson. Looper Joy. Joy Looper. Alex Marchy. Marchy. Marchy. Marchy. Is it March? Is that an R? I'm an asshole. Don Gordon. I have no idea.

Katie Heisel. Tiffany Daubert. Torin Bakerson, or no, Torin Beckerud. They say when you're in quicksand you're not supposed to struggle or kick. You're just supposed to look for a branch or something to grab onto. Your fucking feet are kicking

and you're sinking hard. Torin Beckerud, Mary Grace Hewlett, Cassandra Walters, Rachel Bridge, David Edmonds, Sarah Beamish, Rebecca Lemmer, Taryn Winnie, Andy Reynolds, Mike Kennedy, and Stuart Davies. You guys are fucking amazing. Thank you guys, honestly. Thank you for forcing me to struggle through that because I'm an idiot.

Thank you guys. I love you guys, for real. Thank you for being our producers and thank you for dragging us. Every cent, everything, everything you guys do for us, we're blown away by it. We still don't understand it. The show does well on the charts and stuff like that, and we don't understand it. We don't get it. It's because of you guys.

We don't get why you're so nice to us or what it is, but thank you so much. Thank you. It feels weird, but God damn it, do we love it. And we just thank you guys so much. Thank you. It feels weird, but God damn it, do we love it. And we're just thank you guys so much. From the bottom of our hearts, you couldn't find two more appreciative people for any amount of love that you want to give us. So that said, Jimmy, where would they go if they wanted to get a hold of, I don't know, a guy like yourself? If you want to correct me for any of that, which you probably won't, you can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat. Thank you guys so much for being involved, and thank you for playing along.

This has been really, really fun. Love you guys. And I am at JimmyPIsFunny. You can find me there. Copy and paste my last name from the show description. Don't be a hero and try to spell it, because you will fuck it up. Jimmy would never be able to pronounce it in a million years if he didn't know me very well. Phytra?

Phytra? It's P-I-E. It's got to be Phytra. I still am not. You know what? If I just handed him a piece of paper and said, read that, I think it would take him three times before I go, what's your last name? That's your last name.

That's the one. So I think it would take that. Thank you guys so much for everything this week. We can't wait for next week. It's going to be a blast. So until next week, guys, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Bye.

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