Small Town Murder - #400 - The Bad Seed - Eureka, Utah

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

This week, in Eureka, Utah, a man who started getting arrested at age 10, was in prison by 15, and participating in a very well known riot/murder while behind bars. Once he gets out, he's predictably primed for violence, and ends up committing the horrifically cold murder of two innocent people. These murders involve awful cruelty, and heartlessness, but the murderer claims "he's not a monster", while begging the court for mercy. It's a terrible tale, of an awful person!!Along the way, we find out that you may just fall into an 2000 foot open mine shaft while taking a stroll, sometimes behavior actually can be predicted, and that some people just seem to be born evil!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Ah, yay indeed, Jimmy, yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you all for joining us so much all aboard the murder train, and this is a special episode. Episode 400 today we're celebrating. We are celebrating. We've been around a little bit here, and we're pumping them out. The quad centennial.

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That is patreon.com slash crimeandsports is where you get all of that. And you'll get a shout-out at the end of the regular show as well. So that said, let's get right into this. Let's all sit back, everybody. I think it's time to sit back. Let's clear the lungs. We didn't start doing this in the very beginning, so it's not the 400th,

but for the 300-something-eth time, let's all throw the arms to the air, everyone, and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this jimmy what do you say all right let's go on a trip all right we shall we shall we're going to utah let's do this 400 in utah and this is eureka utah which i know there's a eureka california yeah i didn't realize there's a eureka anywhere where they found shit in the ground i guess there's a Eureka, California. I didn't realize there's a Eureka anywhere where they found shit in the ground. I guess there's a Eureka probably, right? Anything, something shiny down there. It's Eureka.

That's what we call it now. I think there's a Eureka, Arizona. Probably there's mines all over the place. So yeah, surprise me. This is a little over an hour to Salt Lake City. So it's about an hour 20, about two hours to our last Utah episode, which was Oakley, Utah. That was the crazy one with blood icicles. Blood icicles, yeah.

With maybe the greatest father in the history of fatherhood there. At least the toughest man I've ever heard of. Yeah, just one of the craziest stories ever. Go back and listen to that. It was around the holidays time six months ago. Population of this town, 596. Not many. That is tiny very small absolutely median household income here about 45 000 which is less than the national average median home price also less than the national average 217 000 so it's a small middle of nowhere

utah town that's the best way to describe it motto here though oh we got one they're they're expecting this town's been around a long time and it's not very big okay so you'd say this is what we have not them they have a little more a little more optimism quote a historic town with a bright future why we're gonna get 700 people here never mind 600 so this town little history was originally known as ruby hollow and then it was a bustling mining town that's why it's eureka it was a big mining town they incorporated in 1892 it became the financial center for the tintic i guess it's called t-i-n-t-i-c tintic Mining District, which was a lot of gold and silver mining in this area. Not a bit of rubies.

No rubies. Ruby Hollow. It was Ruby Hollow until they started mining. Then they changed it to Eureka because they found shit. So, yeah, it was a wild thing. They had four big mines there. They called it the Big Four for a while. And it became, this place was like the middle of everything.

Like, businesses came here. The second ever JCPenney store was in Eureka, Utah. What? Second ever. It was called the Golden Rule Store at the time. But that's JCPenney's chain. Second one. How many people were there to have a fucking JCPenney?

It was lots of minors there. They needed to outfit these people. And yeah, so it's amazing. They were the second one, and now there's only two left, so it's perfect. And theirs isn't one of them. Theirs is not one of them. Outfitting minors in Arizona jeans. Take that.

$12 jeans. In the early 1900s, their soccer was great here. Their, I guess, high school soccer team, they won the state title in 1905, 1907, and 1909. Dominating. They were jamming, yeah. Dominating here. Now, Eureka was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1979 due to the mining stuff that's here. Now, Eureka was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1979 due to the mining stuff that's here.

Notable people from here, one person from here, it's Frank Zamboni, who's the guy who made the Zamboni. Get the fuck out of here! Yeah! The thing that comes out at a hockey game when they play in Havana Gila and smooths the ice over, this guy invented it. And he's from

here. this place is fucking incredible frankie zamboni reviews of this town there are none because there's only 600 people here but here's one for the county uh that it's in wab county schwab county i don't know j u a b i don't know how the fuck you say that in utah i don't know if you do spanish things in utah or what i don't know that's got to be native right maybe i don't know uh you do Spanish things in Utah or what. I don't know. That's got to be native, right? Maybe. I don't know. So five stars here. I love the small town feel.

Actually, it's the small town fell is how they spell it. And the people in this area. It's still growing, so there's a lot of potential to the schools and jobs in the area. They really just live on optimism in this town. Still growing. Still growing. There's only six people. Plenty of room. Pl plenty of room plenty of room you can be talking about are we doing half full or half empty here jimmy let's look at the glass

half full there's lots of room for people to come therefore room for growth to have full let's do it so the things to do here not not too too much and it's all kind of based around the same shit the tintic silver festival takes place. Okay. It offers fun activities for the whole family, blah, blah, blah. There's a parade, crafts and foods and an auction and a swap meet. And it just sounds like a flea market or like a county fair. It doesn't sound like any. It's going to be the fastest parade in history. There's 600 people.

There's 600 people. There it goes. All right, there they are. They're just wandering into the desert now, into the mountains. The mining museum will be open to all visitors that day. And then there's the Silver City Ghost Town.

It's about two and a half miles south of Eureka. And there's a small town, a small sign marking the turnoff to Silver City. It was once a big mining town with 1,500 people. They first discovered was silver here in 1869 and it was a big rich silver mine and then in 1890 they the mines eventually hit water and that was that so they went oh shit screw this place and it all faded out and that was that so

so it's a ghost town so if you want to see what eureka is going to be that's what we go do yeah according to this journalist quote not much of the town remains today besides a few old foundations, mine tailings and some old mine equipment. As you explore this site, be very cautious of mine shafts. We were hiking on top of one of the old mine tailings pipes and discovered an air shaft that was very deep. So don't kill yourself if you're when you're walking around looking at nothing. Holy shit. If we had not been paying attention to our surroundings we could have easily fallen in.

We're not sure if this shaft was one that they missed when most of the mines in the area were blocked or if it opened back up due to erosion around the hole. Awesome. Wow. These mines are very dangerous and contain bad air and shafts that may not be seen. If you do enter these mines, do so at your own risk.

We've taken our kids to Silver City many times. It seems to have an air of nostalgia that they enjoy. If you don't lose them down a mine shaft, your kids are going to have a great time. Wow. Wow. All right, then. That said, let's get right into this because we got a lot of this today. Let's talk about a murder, Jimmy.

Actually, more murder than one. This is one of the worst people we've talked about. Eureka. One of the most dangerous people we've ever talked about we're going to talk about today on episode 400. The cruelty and the just, this person is just one of these people where we go, God, we can't just disappear. We can't just say poof and have this person just like be a pile of ashes with his shoes under him like god or send him send him to the realm with the sandworms you know what i mean like there's very few people that i just want to just lightning strike and

oh pile of ashes oh look at that on top of his nikes that's very sad this guy's one of them though it's it's one of those things like things. You hate him like you hate BTK. All right. Jared G-E-R-R-O-D, like Mustafa, like we did the basketball player. Jared Baum, B-A-U-M, Baum, Baum, whatever you want to say. Okay, this guy. Born in 1976. Okay.

Fuck up from day one, from jump. Really? Just, I mean, he's born to, well, I mean, his father wasn't around. His mother was an alcoholic teenager. So that says a lot for you right there. Yeah, that's a good start. That's a great start for him. He's adopted by his grandparents, Billy and Maxine are their names.

And they had a hard time with him. They just had a hard time with him they just had a hard time with him he was not tameable really like he just from the very start they had a hard time raising him he got nothing but F's in school nothing but failing I mean from elementary school nothing but failing grades from you know went to the next grade for social promotion, I guess, was the thing. You know, you can't get left behind. We can't have a 12 year old sitting in second grade. This isn't Billy Madison. You know, it's just going to be weird at that point.

He's probably going to steal their fucking cookies and it's not going to work. Yeah. So they they had a hard time with him. And in school, he often shoved and fought with other children. OK. And daydreamed drew and talked about pretty much exclusively about guns what which is i get it if you're a child in the 80s let's say he's born in 76 let's say you're 10 years old in 86 what's out in the movies in 86

rambo commando it's big giant guys jacked up on steroids with machine guns in their hand running so when I was a little kid when I was like 8 because I'm a couple years younger than Jared Baum but me and my cousin had a big giant like thing on my grandmother's

porch that we'd bring inside and take out that was all just toy guns and we played gun shit all the time just like a big vat of guns that's all you did because that's what was out there at the time you know yeah that was after my cousin had quit karate when he saw the karate kid but if you didn't have parents that would buy you like the guns oh yeah no none of those none of the cool ones we had to make all those oh yeah yeah yeah jesse like gat gatling hooks made of coat hangers that i would throw up on the house and try to climb that's awesome that sounds fun it worked no you're just gonna fall you get one step foof onto the ground yeah i'd have like uh uh

things made into guns like uh toilet paper not toilet paper the paper towel roll yeah i mean you make that into a gun my cousin had like cool fucking guns jesse had like enter tech guns and shit or like they were like the lasers they were badass the ones that were like the water guns that looked real they were like battery powered they go yeah like those he had those dude it was crazy i was like wow what the fuck i got to play with them they were were awesome. I can't imagine. The kid across the street had laser tag. I lost my fucking mind. That's awesome. I was like, you rich motherfucker.

Yeah, how dare you have electronics, you son of a bitch. Your mom bought this? Wow. You didn't have to steal this? How'd you get this? If I got it, it'd be stolen from Goodwill and it wouldn't work. Totally broken immediately. So Jared Baum here, his first arrest comes at 10 what now dude that's the

whoever's watching this kid that's their fault at 10 you can physically take a kid and put him somewhere and go you fucking stay there don't move at 10 you can do that once the kid's 16 they go to school they come back they get in a fucking car with one of their friends, they can go anywhere. You never know. They can defy you. At 10, they can't defy you. Right.

They go from your custody to school, someone else's custody, and then back to you again, and you can do whatever you want with them. They have no autonomy. They don't have any money. What are they going to do? Yeah. But he's also got, his mom was a teenage alcoholic.

He's probably got some alcohol-related injuries to the brain, right? That's possible. He could have some fetal alcohol syndrome. I'm not sure. But the arrest, not for, figure 10, what, he shoplifted a candy bar, and it's like the fifth time they caught him, so they're going to try to teach him a lesson. Wrote on something. No, no. He shot another boy with a handgun.

A real gun? A gun. Yeah, not a BB gun. He shot another boy with a handgun at 10. Holy. Yeah. So they were like, well, he's 10, so we don't know what to do with him. So they just put him in juvenile detention for a while, which just was like a good crime

school for him, essentially. He just learned from older kids and got more pissed off and it was good for him yeah yeah so then when he gets out he turns to stealing shit becomes his racket at that point he didn't even need to do it that's the thing didn't do drugs at the time drugs weren't an issue wasn't like supporting a habit wasn't in a gang or anything like that he has a home he's yeah just him and a couple of friends thought it was fun to steal shit yeah i mean they they liked it jesus and his grandparents say they admit they spoiled him and doted on him because they felt bad for him because you know mom was a teenage alcoholic who wasn't around and dad is god knows where so there is the

entitlement aspect too that if you if you got everything given to you, then maybe he just expects that this shit's his. Possibly. But it's more like I can get away with it because there's no consequences at home because my grandparents go like, oh, the poor little Jared. He's, you know, he's troubled. And then that's his mom's on the bottle. Mainly what it is. He thought crime was fun. It was like a sport.

It was a sport, basically. He said it was I was mainly out to get high on an adrenaline rush. He said it was I was not to hurt people just to get away with it. The crime itself. That's what he said about being a child and doing all this. So it was mainly just for kicks. I mean, a lot of kids do other things, physical activities and things for kicks, and his is, let's steal shit. It's fun. Okay. Well, from the time of these 10 up until October of 1991, which is when he turns 15, he racks up 43 convictions for crimes. Until what age? From 10 to 15, he racks 43 43 not arrests convictions that is mike tyson childhood level of crazy one a month that's that's insane that's fucking nuts to have that that's wild um and he nothing would do anything they'd put him in juvie he'd get out he'd do it

the next day he'd be stealing again they'd do it the next day. He'd be stealing again. They'd give him a probation officer to look over him. He'd do it anyway. There's just no stopping him. Wherever he's at, he's doing something bad. He's doing something. And that comes to a head in October of 1991. For his 15th birthday, he's got to celebrate.

You've got to blow it out big for the big ones. On the fives? Come on, man. Those are big, all of them. got to celebrate you got to blow it out big for the big ones you know those on the fives come on man those are big all of them yeah he goes on to celebrate a three-day crime spree to celebrate three days three days of crime of going around stealing shit robbing people just stealing cars breaking into houses really robbing stores just whatever three days of crime 15th birthday he had been absent without permission for the third time from project ascent which is the youth home he was placed in by the court no anytime there's a project and it's anything like going getting better going up in

the world hope ascent any of that shit you know that's a lot of kids who have very little hope and they're not going to assent very far. Project promise or some shit like that. Yeah, that's usually a bad sign. It's a youth home. It's kind of like a kiddie halfway house from what I understand back then. Try to get them back on track so that they don't go to prison. Sort of.

Well, he walked away from an appointment he had with a Provo therapist and then just went out and did shit for the next three days. Stole cars, stole guns, robbed a Burger King. Oh, boy. We'll talk about it. But he said he had to quote. As soon as I walk in a place I'm robbing, my adrenaline blows up. Yeah, he's jacked about it. up yeah he's jacked about it um he says when it's over that high goes on for a couple of days and i wonder what it would be like to do it again well you already know you've done it jesus christ man that is a disturbing thing so he uses a handgun to rob an oram utah burger king restaurant oh boy then as he as employees chase him out and he flees in a stolen pickup truck, he fires his gun at the employees as he's driving away out the window like a fucking cowboy or some shit. 15-year-old kid. 15 years old. Not old enough to drive.

Car stolen anyway. Stolen gun. Shooting at Burger King employees who he just robbed. He is Jesse James. Out of control as it gets here. So he doesn't hit any of them, thankfully, for them. Well, he's just kind of firing out of the window, out of the back as he's driving. It's hard to drive and shoot the other direction. So by 7 a.m., this really draws the attention of the cops.

The stealing and everything. They come and take a report when you steal some shit. but when you're firing from a moving stolen car at some burger king employees that you just robbed in broad daylight that'll you know tends to get the attention of the police a little bit they don't need to call they hear the gunshot it's a it's a big deal and the alarm going off from the burger king so by 7 a.m he gets arrested and how he gets arrested he and a police officer trainee a recent academy graduate that's on that they let like on the street just to i don't know on the job training i guess he pulled over the stolen pickup and when the officer was approaching i guess baum got out got out and grabbed for his gun,

but was fumbling with his gun, so the officer ran over and grabbed him and got the gun out of his hand. He was trying to shoot the cop. That's what he was trying to do. He took the gun out and tried to shoot him. 15 years old, he's going to kill a cop. He's going to kill a cop while fleeing a Burger King robbery in a stolen vehicle.

With a stolen gun, too, of course, obviously. That is a lot right there man that will if you're 35 that crime alone gets you the death penalty oh fuck if you killed somebody if he killed that cop there that's that definition of the death penalty right there done i mean they wouldn't even wouldn't even think especially in like a utah or something they wouldn't think twice about that probably so he is charged with second degree thefts of a motor vehicle, second degree thefts of firearm, second and third degree burglary, third degree theft, class A misdemeanor theft, and first degree burglary and first degree attempted murder. Yeah. Those are the first degree aggravated burglary and the attempted murder are very bad.

Those are hardcore felonies right there. So he's also 15 and not that bright. So here's what he does. Unbelievable that he's already here. It's wild. So the cops are talking to him. By the way, they don't fucking Mirandize him at all. At first they do, but then they take him to jail and they mirandize him then

when they arrest him but then later on that day they pull him out of jail and they're like we want to talk to you young man you admit what you did and he's like okay i will and they say good you're gonna get in the car and we're gonna drive around you're gonna show us everywhere you robbed what you stole we're gonna do all this shit okay and he said okay so they put him in the car no mirandas nothing in the car take him out for a little joyride no attorney no parents no grandparents nothing 15 years old so

they drive him around Provo and Orem and he's pointing out where he did shit I stole from that house I stole shit from there and the one cop said quote he was euphoric in a car and recalling these events like he was like oh oh when i went in there this happened yeah he admitted that's where i got the gun well he admitted having a gun during the burglary of a home and said and they

said well what were you going to do if the if people were there and confronted you and he said i would have shot him obviously he tells the cops this like oh i would have obviously shot them in their own home while i was robbing and how dare they interrupt my my robbing oh so the problem is now is his confession going to be admissible in court sure doesn't seem like yeah so they said that they can't be used in his trial obviously he's charged with 11 felonies and some misdemeanors he's pretty fucked but they're uh they have to have a parent present for interviews also applied to bomb they said the rule is that children under 14 have to have a parent present which i think now that's 18

probably but yeah at the time it was 14 but they said it also would apply to bomb because any file you look at on him it it says that he is way immature. He's this, he's that. He goes under that. So the judge throws out the confessions made in the police car because they didn't read him his Miranda rights and all of that kind of thing. So he's still pretty fucked, though. I mean, they don't need the confessions. Yeah.

He got caught. Yeah. With a stolen gun. Burger King employees going i was dodging a hail of gunfire coming from that stolen vehicle with the teenager there so he decides all he can do is plea so they have to the they certify him as an adult there though he's now an adult they're going to try him as an adult, and they find him competent to proceed. The judge said he was reluctant to accept a plea from

Baum until he was satisfied that Baum had adequate time to discuss the matter with his family and his attorney. He said, it seems pretty quick this kid just wants to make a plea, but he wants to plead guilty to second-degree vehicle theft, second-degree theft of a

firearm, and third-degree burglary. That's what they want. And also to first-degree vehicle theft, second-degree theft of a firearm, and third-degree burglary. That's what they want. Okay. And also to first-degree attempted aggravated murder. They also want him to plead to that as well. Sure. So he spends time in jail as the attorneys are working on this.

He ends up, they let him plead guilty to what we just described here. And at first, he didn't know if he wanted to plead guilty to the attempted murder charge but they talked him into it okay essentially here so where are they going to send him it's a great question to prison i mean he's 15 so yeah the moon it's a sandworm place maybe that would be good so the judge orders him to remain in the county jail so he can basically figure it out they have someone from adult probation and parole they want to talk to him obtain necessary information and prepare pre-sentence reports to figure out what the hell's going on he'll be taken to a diagnostic unit at the prison for evaluation yeah they don't know where to put a 15 year old in what do you do maximum security prison so the judge says quote the problem here is we have a youthful offender

but a very very violent offender so do you want to put him around other children also right you don't want to put him because he's going to be the baddest dude there you don't want to put him with the other ones because they're going to make him the baddest dude ever he's a true tweener he really is this is the definition of a tweener. This is how it goes. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again, leaving us to wonder, decades later, what really happened to Dorothy Jane Scott? From Wondery, Generation Y is a podcast that covers notable true crime cases like this one

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of what he does. Right. That's not good for society. So they also said that his defense, though, his attorney said that he belongs in a juvenile facility, not an adult prison. He said, quote, I'm concerned about sending a boy to prison.

I think we'll end up with something far worse. Right. And you worry about everybody else's safety in the childhood, but you got to worry about his in the other one. And then when he's out, everybody else is. Oh, this is a discussion we have all the time. We've been talking about this for 40 years of what do you do with kids in this situation? We have one that says one thing. We have them that says, I think we'll end up with something far worse we get to find out what happens that was that's the good news that was 30 years ago so now we get to see the the long this is a long-term study here now we're going to see the results of it so his father here somehow his father got back into the picture his father billy here, Billy Baum. He said he talked to people at the prison's diagnostic center where he had been since December, the son. And he said that they told him that his boy isn't dangerous.

Not dangerous at all. Yeah. So he's good. He's good. His defense attorney said that maybe if we give him intensely supervised probation, maybe that would be the better way to do it. Maybe we don't put him anywhere. Maybe that would be good. He said the boy could work with his father.

His father's got a job for him lined up. He'll be kept real busy, and then he should be fine. He said that he's done very well in jail, except for some incidents early in the incarceration. But who doesn't have a bunch of prison infractions? Other than that, though, he's been a good prisoner let's just say you know maybe next time for this guy we're gonna get him a job and he'll be a welder he'll be fine then he'll be fine yeah no he'll never fuck with anything again so the county attorney said well in the last 17 months he's been behind bars he's had a shitload of problems all sorts of infractions all sorts of stuff like that he said that also he also the county attorney said that

baum thought he had shot the clerks at burger king like when he talked to the cops he's like i i killed those guys at burger king and they were like lucky for you you didn't hit those guys at burger king but he thought he shot them he like, so that's why he was going to kill the cops. He's like, yeah, that's it. So why not? He said he intended to shoot. And then they asked him about the cadets that pulled him over. He said, I was definitely going to shoot them.

The guy got even more dangerous. Oh, absolutely. That's what I mean. This is that's and that's what the attorney's trying to say is this guy thought he killed Burger King employees and was perfectly happy to kill two cops. And we're going to say probation on this guy thought he killed Burger King employees and was perfectly happy to kill two cops and we're going to say probation on this guy so the judge said he was convinced that if bomb were released he would probably obtain a gun and harm someone within a week he said you'll be back within a week if I let you out for something and I'll feel terrible he you know he said you've admitted

that you plan to shoot people in their own home that you broke into, Burger King employees and police officers. That's everybody. That pretty much runs the gamut. From cops to Burger King employees to you sleeping in your bed. It doesn't fucking matter. So they said he actually fired at those people. The judge said if he had the opportunity, he would take it. And the judge said it's his responsibility to try to protect the community.

And he said if he places him with juvenile inmates it will place every child there at risk if i put this guy with other kids so the judge is thinking here this judge lynn w davis said prison is the only option for him and he said quote it's a painful day to sentence a 16 year old boy on attempted murder and other felonies, but his duty to protect society made it necessary. He said that, quote, until the fantasies of violence can be controlled, he will always pose a threat to our community. Yes. You, sir, may fuck off. He ends up, in the end, getting five years to life on the aggravated murder. It's a good window but aggravated attempted

murder yeah but that means we can keep an eye on him and we can judge based on parole boards whether or not he needs to be in if he's rehabilitated see how long and this also the law requires a one-year enhancement because a gun was involved so it's six years to life the one year has to run consecutively to the original sentence also ordered one to 15 years on the other ones and all these different charges that are all concurrent though so it's it's six to life the judge said he would recommend credit for time served which is 17 months it's a long time which you know they say he said may or may not be accepted by the parole board in their considerations at that point when he goes for parole.

So, yeah, he's going to prison. He, by the way, the Utah has a list of worst youthful offenders, like their top fucking, they have a top, literally a top 10 list of the worst kids in Utah, which is pretty awesome. Biome is fifth on that list, by the way. There are four others? Four other youths, as they say in My Cousin Vinny, that are worse than him, according to the law here. Oh, my God.

Among the top 10 young men here, they have 180 convictions among them, including 69 sex crimes. Averaging almost seven sex crimes each yep they have a list of utah's 5 000 worst youthful offenders and he's number five on the list top one percent baby top 0.01 percent 0.1 so yeah they said it compiles criminal histories to determine how to best combat repeat offenders. They said, you know, one says, quote, the kids on this list are the ones who are the most dangerous to the public. The report will help us determine whether we're putting the right kids in the right places. You know, prison.

He said, right. Another one who the director of youth support services said, if you tell a kid he will rot in hell for doing something wrong it won't work these kids think they're immortal they act without thinking okay so yeah okay what's the alternative like that's the thing he's doing the he's doing the uh give a man a fish uh teach a man to fish thing. He's giving no alternative. This is teach a man to kill, it'll kill forever. You know what I mean? Teach a man to do crime. So his probation officer said that they always hear bravado from these kids.

They said, quote, for some, getting caught is part of the excitement. When you sit down and talk with them, you can see the excitement in their eyes. And once they start committing no matter how small they feel a need to continue so once he gets to prison he immediately gets some uh white power tattoos all over him oh right away well oh he's wait till you you know you know this guy actually you don't know you know him but you fucking know him because you've seen him on camera before i know for a fact because we've talked about so he gets a he gets a tattoo he joined i know you just it just clicked for you yeah he joins older inmates in a bunch of prison disturbances he gets in a prison a fucking he's in the aryan brotherhood is what he is he's a riot starter yeah he uh results in 5 315 days in punitive isolation so he's in the hole for 315 days

with 30 discipline violations like right off the bat 315 days with 30 discipline violations, like right off the bat, 315 days. That's a year basically. Um, Baum told one guy at the parole board hearing later on, quote, when one of us would go off, we would all go off. I told all these guys to cut me loose. I don't want to get in trouble no more. They don't care if they ever get out. That's what he told the parole board. He wants out of it. He told the parole board, I told them I don't run with them anymore. And you know. They don't care if they ever get out. What does that mean? He wants out of it? He told the parole board, I told them I don't run with them anymore. And, you know, they don't care if they ever get out. And I want to have a future here.

So that's what he said. So I don't hang out with these guys, which is a load of shit, as we'll find out. They said they would schedule a rehearing and all this shit. The guy who ran the hearing said, quote, in my 30 years in this business, I don't know when I've read a file that's more troubling you've got to learn how to interact with people if you don't do that you'll never get out of here he told bob so here we go he says here's an article on dangerous youth in utah and they talk about ones that are in prison so they talk to baum obviously he says well maybe stricter punishments would keep us from fucking up that's that's what he says in the paper i don't know how though he was put in the in the paper we could do put a 10 year old

in adult prison is that a that's not a punishment you can you can do you want us to take fingers yeah i don't know he said that uh threats by judges and counselors and probation officers had little impact on him in his criminal career But you assume that most kids aren't like full grown psychopaths by the time they're 12. You hope anyway, you know, you hope they said you have to grow up sometime. This is Baum talking here. You have to grow up sometime because you won't have much of a chance later. You think you have you think you you have to think about the time when you're 22 years old and sick of getting in trouble it's time to settle down and get married but you're already in prison jesus july 8th 1994 him and his buddies set off a prison riot you've seen the footage because

there's a documentary it's probably still on max because all the documentaries are on there called anatomy of a prison riot is the name of it and the guy who is seen murdering someone dead fucking centering on the camera he's doing it to the camera i mean he's not hiding it is a guy named troy kell remember that he's the guy who's you watch him stab someone 67 fucking times on camera while no one intervenes even though they all the fucking people see it and uh he's screaming white power the whole time that's that guy it's so vicious it's the knife gets stuck yeah he stabbed the guy 67 times that tri-cal ended up being on put on death row for that the murderer was of a man named lonnie blackman who was a black man obviously so they uh they they killed him he was what blackman was walking to the prison's medical facility when three inmates attacked him with the shank stabbed him shit

loads of times as seen in the video and they made him go to the infirmary uh they created uh an appointment for him he didn't even know he didn't even need any doctor attention they just they created an appointment for him they told him you're going to the infirmary he's like what do i gotta go there for they're like you got an appointment so then he started walking there and they got him that's how it works yeah if you ever watch oz a lot of times these there's the prison guards are friends with some of these guys so they said he bled to death within minutes they said likely they'll have filed charges against other people it turns out though they said the inmates jared bomb eric daniel stephen ormiston ray pain and nicholas yazzie plead are going to plead guilty to inciting the

riot so he ends up pleading guilty to inciting this riot as we'll find out he actually um more than that he he was the guy who gave shell the shank gave kel the shank, gave Kel the shank. Yeah, he's the shank procurer. So he did way more than that. We'll find out later on. So by 2001, so he's already convicted for that. This is not looking great. You know what I mean? The guy, I believe, Blackman was arrested, and this time he was put in jail was for a $40 gas station robbery.

Yeah. Not even as many stab wounds as he got. $67 a $40 gas station robbery. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't even. Not even as many stab wounds as he got. Right. $67, $40. So, 2001, Baum by then has been disciplined for possession of contraband, specifically a processing, or possessing a tattoo gun and ink. Oh, jeez.

He's the guy making, he was doing tats. In 2001, while he was being housed in a Missouri state prison, as they sent him over there, a jar of black ink, a homemade tattoo gun complete with motor and two AA batteries was found during a search of his cell. probation and parole he claimed that he was at a time quote working for local drug dealers collecting taxes meaning he was collecting money beating the shit out of people he admitted several assaults in the utah county area and one in cedar city and he stated that he had represented himself as a hitman named chris from california to help secure debts that are owed to local drug dealers he stated he has threatened and intimidated numerous people unreal a little more piece of his past here past here in uh december of 2008 grandma maxine dies on him here so that's tough i don't know when exactly he gets out of prison sometime between the you know in the aughts here he gets out of of jail. That guy got out of jail. Oh, he was out of prison. Don't worry about that.

Yeah, he's good. Holy. December 29, 2017. Braylene Otteson. She's 17 years old. They call her Breezy. That's her name. Breezy Otteson.

Okay. They say she's outspoken. And, you know, she's like a spunky teenage kid. Yeah. Girl, you know. Yeah. Her mother died a few years ago in a car crash, and she's been kind of not – she's been struggling with that for a while. That's an issue for her, obviously.

That's not easy to get over. No, absolutely not. She found, though, a boyfriend, and she feels good with this guy, and she's happy. A guy named Riley Powell, who's 18 years old. Okay. At least her age. Okay. Her aunt said

he was a nice kid, Riley. They went to Thanksgiving. You know, they had been together over Thanksgiving holiday here of 2017. She had told the family that she might be pregnant

at 17. So that's interesting. The aunt said she struggled with that affection she struggled with feeling that people loved her and the same with riley i think they both wanted to be loved so she said they kind of found each other and powell has had his own problems riley powell he's he was sent to a boy's home after he brought a gun to high school at one point what is he said he was going gun to high school at one point. What is that? He said he was going rabbit hunting after school. That's the only reason why he had it there.

But he got sent to another school. He ended up changing schools. He graduated. He ends up working as a plumber. So right now he's 18. He's a plumber. Okay. That's a career.

That's a lot when you're 18. Let's learn pipes. That's a partnership, and that's real. That's a real fucking job. That's tough lot when you're 18. Let's learn pipes. It's a partnership, and that's real. That's a real fucking job. That's tough at 18. So this couple, they're living together right now in December of 2017. They live with Riley Powell's father in Eureka, Utah, and that's the town we've talked about, obviously.

So he's kind of a thick, stout kind of a guy, Riley. He's got, like, glasses and a goatee and um he likes to play basketball very northern utah but no yeah yeah he likes to play basketball he likes to go like off-road riding and stuff like that he's a normal normal kid basically except that he's a plumber see uh at one point riley had dated a young lady named morgan henderson that was his ex-girlfriend and she'll come back into play here into this At one point, Riley had dated a young lady named Morgan Henderson. That was his ex-girlfriend, and she'll come back into play here, into this whole thing. So the night of December 29, 2017, Riley and Breezy, they leave Toole, Utah. That's how you say that, right?

Toole? I guess. Is it Toole? T-H-U-L-E? No. T-O-O-E-L-E. I think that's Thule. Yeah, that's Thule.

Yeah. That's Peter O'Toole. Peter O'Toole. So they're going home to Eureka. They leave Thule where they were visiting some of her family. They make a stop in Spanish Fork, and they're going, obviously, home to Eureka. There they visit a woman named Morgan Henderson henderson who is riley's she's older too she's like 10 10 12 years older than him but apparently they used to go out here

so this is in mammoth utah they stop off to visit her okay morgan lewis henderson later on she'll go by morgan lewis i don't know if know if Henderson was a married name she dropped or whatever, but they had remained friends after they broke up, Morgan and Riley, and they made plans. They ran into each other at a gas station, of all places, and spoke over Facebook Messenger, and they made

plans that Riley and Breezy should stop by her house on the way home, and they'll hang out and smoke some weed and stuff for a while and chill. All right. Sounds good, right? Not bad. So come on by.

They were, Breezy and Riley, were doing Christmas shit with her family, and now they're going to stop off, smoke some weed, and head on back home to Eureka. He's doing some real 30-year-old shit. Yeah. Plumber job banging a 30-year-old woman. That's fascinating. He thinks he's 30, I think.

He thinks he's like. He's an old soul, this boy. I tell you what, boy. I'm worried about my 401K is what I'm worried about because this damn stock market isn't. It's just not the same bull market that it was last year, and I'm a little worried about it. 18 years old with bad lower back. Yeah. My knee is just.

You hear that click? You hear that click? I love when an older guy will try to show you his clicks. Listen to that right there. You hear that? That's not good, right? I can sure feel it. I guess not. So this Henderson here, she decided, yeah, come on over. And Riley and Breezy said, yeah, what the fuck? Why not? We'll stop by and say hi and smoke some weed. That sounds fun. Let's do it. So they stop by the house to visit with Morgan. And the problem is Morgan's got a boyfriend. He's not home, though.

That's why she said to stop by because, you know, he's not even here. So it'll be cool. The problem also is that her boyfriend is Jared Baum. Jared Baum is her boyfriend. Her ex-boyfriend, who is so much younger, is coming by. Is coming by. So she knew, Morgan said she knew that Jared Baum would not approve, but he wasn't going to be there. And somehow, though, she said that Baum found out that they were going to come over that night.

And so he came home and was fucking furious. Livid. What the hell? Came in the door, house of fire, man. Pissed off as shit. Ready to rock and roll. Super mad. Why?

He told her that he warned her about having male friends over. He said, quote, I told you you couldn't have guy friends. Real secure fella. Yeah. There's a difference between I told you you couldn't have guy friends. Real secure fella. Yeah. There's a difference between I told you you can't have guys over and I told you you can't have male friends. You know what I mean? Like, I'm allowed to have, like, women friends,

but I can't be like, yeah, come on over. That's not cool. I don't think anybody would like that. You know, that would be bad. You can't do that. But ex-girlfriend coming over with her boyfriend, that weird it's weird yeah but still uh morgan at that point said quote i knew i was in big trouble yeah i guess so he was angry and i knew he knew what i did i knew that this was really bad and i didn't know how it was going to happen or what to do. So he came home and she was like, oh, fuck, it's on.

Shit. I guess you jump on Instamester and be like, I made a mistake. My boyfriend's a lunatic. They're already there. He just burst in the door with everyone there sitting in the living room smoking weed, and here comes Jared. I told you you can't have guys over. Who the fuck is this and all this shit?

That's what's going on. So it's a terrifying scene. This is a guy who we know his past. Dude, I i'm so sorry we didn't know you'd be upset we gotta go yeah we he's a guy who hands a man a shank who then stabs someone 67 times while screaming white power into a camera like this is a crazy person so january 2nd two days later two days later, three days later, Breezy and Riley are reported missing by their families. Oh, no. No one's heard from them in a few days here. So January 9th comes around, and detectives figure out the path of where Riley and Breezy went, and they also look at the Facebook accounts.

Now they're looking at social media to see if maybe they can find it out. Now they're looking at social media to see if maybe they can find it out. So they go over to Baum and Henderson's house here to Morgan and Jared's house. And they say, we're the teens here. And they say, shit, I don't know. We heard that Riley got into a fight with somebody in town on New Year's Eve. They did stop by. They were hanging out.

And then on New Year's Eve, we didn't see him anymore because we heard he got in a fight in town and then he was gone. Don't know what we heard. That's I mean, that's the rumor so all right january 11th two days later riley powell's jeep is found uh actually i think it's a chevy pickup actually they call it a jeep because it's sometimes people call trucks jeeps for some reason all trucks it's weird so it was found about a mile south of the Cherry Creek Reservoir, hidden by some trees with two slashed tires. That doesn't... It's a bad sign. That's not how you park your truck. Darling, let's leave my car here.

We'll slash the tires and cover it in trees and just run away together. That's not... Nobody will steal it. Nope. It's good right here. It's found there. Nobody will steal it. Nope.

It's good right here. It's found there. January 15, 2018, a search warrant is served at Riley Powell's mother's home. They release a statement. The police says the condition and location of the truck is highly suspicious and foul play is strongly suggested, they said. January 25th, they interview Morgan Henderson. The police do. She claimed the teens never visited her that night.

Now they said, I don't, she never came here. They said they were coming, but they didn't come. Now she's saying she's never seen the kids. Yeah. But then they, they go, look, you said this, it's on the messenger. So finally she goes, okay, fine. They were here, but I don't know nothing about it. They left and I don't know what happened to them. They left new year's Eve.

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She said, but she didn't. She felt terrible about the kids. But she said she didn't want to tell the truth because she has a son and she thought Jared would kill her son or have somebody kill her son if she said anything. So she said suicide seemed like the better option. I'll just kill myself, take myself out of the equation. My son will be protected. Everything's fine. Okay.

So she said that she was going to take a shitload of mushrooms. Her plan was to go into the mountain, take a shitload of mushrooms and kill herself. But she got pulled over for speeding on the way there. She was real anxious to do this. She had a bunch of mushrooms that she was planning on eating and the weapon that she was planning on killing herself with. That's how she got arrested. I don't think mushrooms can do that, can they? No, no, no, no, no.

Then she was going to get tripping the mountains and blow her brains out, I guess, so she would feel it less or whatever the fuck. At least it would be fun. and blow her brains out, I guess, so she would feel it less or whatever the fuck. Then she started, they sit her down and she goes, okay, the one detective said, the truth will set you free. And she said, alright, here's what happened.

The kids were here. Jared came home, said, I told you you couldn't have guy friends. She said that she thought he was going to start punching Riley, but instead, he acted real calm and he calmly put a fleece jacket on, put on a fleece jacket or pulled a fleece jacket of hers from the closet. And he also got some thin black gloves that he put on. And she said Morgan said she could feel violence in the air as she as as Baum told them to get outside and come outside. So the whole company move outside.

OK. She said something was wrong at that point. He had taken the two kids outside and she had stayed in the house for a minute. And then she went he went and got her and said you're coming with us to here. So she said when she came out she could feel violence in the air. She knew something was wrong. And she said she could see two people in the back cargo area bound with duct tape. What the fuck?

She said he went to the back of the car of the Jeep. I guess it was a Jeep. I'm sorry. The back of the car of the Jeep. And I could see that Riley and Breezy were tied up. He bound their hands and feet with duct tape and their mouths as well.

Duct taped their mouths and placed them in the Jeep. Baum then told Henderson, Morgan here, get in the fucking front seat. We're going. I don't understand why. At some point here when they got the tape was off the tape was off her mouth Breezy said, can you please untie me?

I'm pregnant, is what she said. She's trying to make something, yeah, reason with him. Now, Morgan said, quote, his anger completely turned off and he was charming, talking about Jared. Totally not mad anymore. He's like, oh, oh, sorry about that. She said that Baum apologized for the inconvenience and said, you know, don't worry. We're almost there. Don't worry about it.

I apologize. Sorry. Got real charming, she said. So he drives the truck east and arrives at the foot of a cliff, is what Morgan said, where he joked with the, he got the couple out of the car, got Breezy and Riley out, and he was joking with them and just acting real casual and, hey, you know, hey, look at this and that and all that sort of thing. She said she, Morgan said she was, found it increased, she was increasingly afraid and found it difficult to swallow at this point. Now, she said that the girl, Breezy, asked to be untied and said, you know, I said I was pregnant, can you untie me? And he replied, quote, we're almost there. Okay.

So they stop in front of a mine shaft that's wide enough for a car. Yeah. It's 2000 feet deep. Whoa. Yeah. Morgan said, quote, I didn't know why he was there and I didn't know why they were in the back of the car. I felt very disoriented.

I felt scared. It was kind of dreamlike.'t know why they were in the back of the car. I felt very disoriented. I felt scared. It was kind of dreamlike. You know why. So while he's leading them to the mine, at one point he actually congratulates them on her pregnancy. Hey, congratulations, guys. That's great. So, by the way, we'll find out later that she isn't pregnant, Breezy.

She thought she was, but she's not. So Baum then forces Morgan and Breezy to go down to their knees and sit down on their knees. Morgan called it execution style, is what she called it. So they can witness what he's going to do to Riley, which is beat him for a while and then repeatedly fucking stab him. What the shit? While he's tied up then he throws him over the edge of the mine shaft and it says goodbye riley and waves at him yeah that's what he did um i don't know what to say i don't understand how we got here. There is no reason why we're here.

Lightning. Poof. Pile of ashes. What the fuck? So she Morgan said, quote, he had this huge grin on his face like he was enjoying himself. And he and he was later. He laughed about it. Oh, my word.

She said, obviously, she was frightened. Morgan, she said before he dumped Riley over the mine shaft, she said, I heard Riley say, I'm dying. And he was gurgling. And that's when I realized he wasn't hurting Riley. He was stabbing Riley. It was the most horrible thing I've ever heard. I'll bet. Now, Breezy, he turns to her, to Addison, and she says, I promise I won't tell anyone.

Yeah. Just fucking don't do anything to me here he said it's okay darling and then uh cradled her body as well the way morgan said kind of held her a little bit and slit her throat yep uh morgan said and it seemed like he had his arms around her but i'm not sure and he said it's okay bray uh braylon and then she went shh and then he went shh to her and i felt warmth on my leg it was her blood he's oh my right next to right next to her and then he threw her in the mine too oh my word she called it she said quote he said on the way home quote like lambs to the slaughter they didn't even fight no because they're terrified of you and then he said this is your fucking fault they're dead that's on you you had them over the

house over now they'd be fine if it wasn't for your stupid ass so oh boy she said he looked manic he looked high he looked overjoyed he said the next time i start crying about stupid riley i need to think about my little boy and whether i want him to grow up um wow he said quote that he made riley suffer but that he felt bad about bray lynn so he made her death quick and painless you know because she had nothing to fucking there's no reason to kill her you know she's a 17 year old kid with no reason to die and what that's he's mentally. He thinks that's painless? Are you kidding me? He thinks that was kind. He was being a kind person.

That's not fast. No, no. You still have to bleed to death. So, well, she said that at that point, Jared Baum bleached and burned the clothes they were wearing after this. And that was that. Now, by March 27th, though, she's leading them to the mine this is the Tintic standard mine and she's leading it's an abandoned mine remote area using a camera they put down the mine shaft they found Breezy and Riley about a hundred feet down I guess on a

ledge or something they fell they both had their hands tied behind their backs and appeared to have stab wounds is what the police said but we know what happened um wow the her aunt uh breezy's aunt said we had every scenario run through our head but for the events that truly took place words can't even describe it no they didn't have that one huh shit not that one that's not how did you ever get there it's not on my list, everybody. I didn't think a crazy person throat slashing down a mine shaft wasn't. Wow. Jesus. The Utah County Sheriff's Sergeant said, quote, it's as bad as anything I've ever seen.

They just seem like decent kids. They never did anything to deserve this. So they obviously arrest Baum. And the other thing they're thinking about, should we close this mine shaft up? Maybe. Good idea. But it's on private property. So they'd have to do it. The chief consolidated mining company is apparently the company that owns the

land. So it's up to them and they declined to comment. So I guess fuck it. Not our problem. Good place to toss a body down a fucking shaft I guess. So in his jail cell, or in jail once Baumounds in jail, he has calls and visits here and he visits with his sister. And he says this quote, they found the missing kids. And she says, good.

And he says, yeah, well, it's not good because she took them to them. And she said the sister says, oh. So she knows what happened. Yeah. She said she took them to them. That's previously talked about. She knows who she is and where they are. He said, yeah, she's saying that fuck.

I did everything because I fucking forced her at knife point and forced all three of them and fucked. And she's trying to save her ass from going to prison. He told his sister that he's never even yelled at Morgan. Never raised a hand to her and all that. She said, she just turned on me, man. That's what Baum said. You just slit a teenager's throat in front of her and she gets all weird. Wow.

He also said, I actually don't think she knows some things, obviously. I don't think I actually don't think she did anything herself. I don't think she got it in her for that kind of shit. That's what Baum said. And the sister said, no. And he said, well, I mean, I do. Like, I mean, I could see it, but but I but I see I don't. But she I don't.

I don't know. I'm just going by the by the way that I know that I've had that I've known her, you know, and you know what I mean? I don't know what you mean. I have no idea what you just said. What I just read is what he said. And the sister says, you didn't know her, Jared. She's obviously terrible. And he says, I know that. I'm just saying from what I thought I knew.

What I'm saying is I think there's other people involved and she's knowing it and she's part of that. You know what I mean? She's knowing it. He's just trying to put it into the record that at one point he says, do you think that I would fucking put evidence by my house and stay anywhere near that fuck if I fucking whacked a couple of people? And the sister says, well, I agree with that. Now it's just proving it to them. And he says, that's just fucking insane. They think I'm stupid.

So they're going to seek the death penalty, but eventually the death penalty somehow, I guess Riley and Breezy's family both said we want the death penalty but eventually the death penalty somehow i guess the riley and breezy's family both said we want the death penalty yeah and yeah that's one of those but for some reason they don't the death penalty is off the table here it's pulled back i don't know why so at we go to court there's a hearing and morgan has to testify she said i kept thinking i need to run i need to get out of here, I kept thinking I need to run. I need to get out of here. This is bad. I'm going to die here.

But I couldn't move. I felt this intense guilt like this is happening because of me. So she will end up pleading to something, though. She has to plea to 10 counts of obstruction of justice. And she's sentenced to three years in prison for that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't just not do that. Oh, little surprise jared has child porn when they search his shit oh jared it's over for you

fuck he evidence uncovered here jesus prosecutors filed charges of sexual exploitation of a minor against him those charges came separately from the murder, obviously. The search warrant filed says that they found as many as five phones at his residence in January 2018. And a crime lab technician alerted investigators that one of the phones appeared to contain child porn. This is my kiddie porn phone right here. Wow. This is for calling my girl. This is for calling my ladies on the side. This is my work phone.

This is my kiddie porn phone. This is my work phone. This is my kiddie porn phone. This is my drug phone. This is my jerk phone. My jerk phone. Apparently, they said the phone contained images of young teens or tweens, not Addison or Powell, apparently around the ages of 13 or 14 years old and get involved in sex acts. In one image, two boys appear to hold down a girl while performing sex acts so the charging documents say the phones belong to him he's pretty fucked yeah he pleads not guilty

to murder here is that oh yeah he's not gonna he's not gonna fucking tell he wants to go to trial on this but the investigators are saying your tattoos are telling us everything we need to know. Apparently, according to those who know him, he considers his tattoos to be his, quote, records. Yeah. These records include headstones with the initials of people he's killed. Oh, what a dummy. That is not smart. They want to find out if he's added new tattoos.

So they want a search warrant to photograph his tattoos to see if he's added riley and braylene to the whole mix here so he said just as baum's iron cross may have documented quote bravery in battle for his involvement in any number of acts he may have documented his killing of riley and braylene by way of tattoos as well my training and experience console and consultation with experts leads me to believe that there's a reasonable probability he's done so. They said there's a strong likelihood he may have recorded the deaths of Riley Powell and

Breezy Otteson in the form of another tattoo. So they're looking for this, right? They said that, quote, while listening to interviews of Morgan Henderson, I was made aware Mr. Baum had a variety of highly controversial tattoos depicting and documenting his ideologies and organizational

principles. During these interviews, Morgan made reference to the swastika tattooed on his face. He's got a swastika next to his eye. It's on his fucking face. Jesus. Perfect. You know exactly where to punch. Perfect. So, in another interview,

Morgan said that Baum spoke about his tattoos as records. With specificity, she reported the tattoos, the headstones, symbolized people he'd killed, and Morgan stated that Mr. Baum did kill people, and he was a, quote, tax man for illicit organizations.

So hot. Why does this man have a girlfriend? It's insane. During the interview with Morgan, she also said that he took the ancient religion of Odinism, which is just white supremacy in America anyway, in prison, where worshippers embrace Norse and Viking figures like Thor and Odin. Stupid.

And he took that seriously, and he's been teaching her about it. Oh, God. Quote, Morgan reported that Mr. Baum drew runes and symbols on her naked body with her own blood. Ew. And that it was meant as a threat to bind them together. Morgan stated that Mr. Baum told her that if she left him, they would perform the ritual again, but it would be with someone else's blood. Okay.

So, this is wild they said considering morgan's age and stability this had likely had a psychological impact and effect on her the they said that baum used the runes as control measures through corrupt religious propaganda fear and violence so um during the initial portion of the visit, by the way, he was showing his sister, his tattoos. At one point he said, quote, I got my little gravestones right here. And then he laughs. Oh boy. Okay.

According to the officials, here's some of the tattoos that are known of his that they're, they need an update on, but the ones he has swastika on the right side of his eye runes on his back, stretching from his left shoulder to his right shoulder a quote unknown demon in the center of his back a viking or nordic scene with an iron cross on the lower left side of his back a swastika in the center of his chest documented patch member of the aryan republic militia plus unknown writings underneath the patch the word r-a-H-O-W-A written across the front of his stomach, that's an acronym for racial holy war that has been used for a rallying cry for white supremacists. A swastika with two lightning bolts inside,

as if the swastika wasn't enough, we need the SS symbol in there as well, plus a Viking hammer on his left torso. Quote, what looks like headstones and lettering on his left forearm, investigators noted in the warrant there headstones and lettering on his left forearm. Investigators noted in the warrant there's probable cause to collect the photographs because of what we said.

An iron cross and a circle and undecipherable writing around the cross on his right shin. Investigators noted in a warrant, quite simply, the wearer of this tattoo has been, quote, brave in a battle with an enemy race. They said that this, the warrant also says that he received this particular iron,

iron cross after participating in the brutal stabbing of the Blackman guy in the, in prison. Following the murder of Mr. Blackman sources advised Mr. Baum was holding the murder weapon for inmate Troy Kelly, hit the weapon who perpetrated the murder reports from the Utah department of corrections indicate Mr. Baum gave inmate Kel the shank that he used to murder Mr. Blackman following that murder.

Inmate Kel gave the shank back to Baum. That would suggest that Mr. Baum had been brave in battle. So, yes. Also Thor or a man with a hammer on his left thigh and world of the church of the creator patch with a 14 slash 88 there which is heil hitler and the fucking 14 words and ruins on his left side world church of the creator is a radical white supremacist organization that the war that's what the warrant says there obviously the 1488 is a hate symbol 14 word slogan of white supremacist eight and eight is hh heil hitler there you go but several of the

tattoos that investigators were not able to decipher in part because they didn't have a clear picture on them because they're shitty jail tattoos right yeah they said they're you know working with fbi and homeland security members as well as corrections officials from other states to figure all this shit out and they said all these experts indicated that many of Mr. Baum's tattoos demonstrate his adopted ideologies as well as document his history in going into and out of white supremacist organizations. Incredible. Jesus Christ. They said Mr.

Baum treats and speaks of his tattoos as being records of past acts and violence. An updated record of tattoos newer than January of 2018 would support recent behavior, violent behavior, and produce additional evidence. So, the trial. She testifies, Morgan, obviously. She said that she covered up because she

was growing, she said, before this she was growing tired of living with Jared Baum and she was becoming more defiant and then he made her do the blood ritual to bring them closer. She said that Baum took a knife and left a large gash on her arm. She claimed he told her he would do it again if she left.

She said, that night I figured out what I was dealing with and who I was dealing with. I was in way over my head and this person was extremely dangerous. I was not defiant anymore. I decided it was best to just do whatever he wants. Unreal.

He's such a piece of shit. Oh, yeah. She says that now the defense is saying that she can't be trusted because how do you distinguish reality from hallucinations? She has schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, depression, and she doesn't take her medication all the time, and she does a bunch of mushrooms. So unreliable. She's fucked up and unreliable, but she led them to where the bodies are, and he's the one capable of doing that shit, not her. That's exactly what that tells me.

So defense in the opening statement said that Baum defenses, bombs, defense teams told the jury he was not guilty of the murders. They said that quote, uh, the attorney said they rushed in before they finished doing their homework. The result is that Mr. Baum is now facing charges for something he didn't even do. Okay. At the, at the same time they charged Jared bomb, roughly they charged Morgan Henderson with obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice is lying to officers who are investigating a case. It's not just one count. It's not just two counts. At one point, she was facing 30, three

zero counts of obstruction. So that means she did it. Wow. They said, but they said no. Obviously, they had all these recorded conversations with him and his sister and this one and that one and all of her shit that matches up perfectly with the physical evidence. It's, you know, it's a lot.

Closing arguments come on here and prosecutors depend a lot on Morgan. She told a terrifying tale of this whole thing. Prosecutors say she was forced to watch the murder and, you know, everything we talked about here. The county attorney said that Morgan was terrified to come forward, thought her life was in danger. Wow. So they said that she, quote, he takes a garrotte, puts it around her throat, pulls it, and said the next time you think about crying about Riley,

think about whether you want to ever see your son again. He did that too. I guess he did that. Now the defense attorney says she can't be trusted. She can't be trusted. They said she's a liar. Quote, the first one would be the lie she told the law enforcement officers. Second, the lie she told to the prosecutors.

You've heard evidence from Morgan and Morgan alone that implicates Mr. Baum. Nobody else has presented any evidence, whether it's testimony, physical evidence, forensic analysis, nothing. That's it. So the verdict comes in, and they find him guilty of fucking everything. They tried to say he said, she said? Yes, he said, she said. Aggravated murder, aggravated kidnapping, desecration of a body, possession of a weapon by a restricted person.

In the sentencing, they're asking asking for they want him to get the maximum sentence which is four life sentences without parole okay they said he's been given too many opportunities not only was his behavior predictable it was predicted two lives could have been spared if those predictions would have been given heed his defense attorney said he's had a terrible life his defense attorney went to elementary school with him. He knows him. Okay. And he said that he has memories of Baum targeted by classmates, and the odds were stacked against him.

He said throwing a 15-year-old into prison is not an opportunity. Mercy is not something that anybody deserves. What are we asking? What we're asking for is a small modicum of mercy from the court. Does he deserve it? No, but that's what we're asking for. Okay small modicum of mercy from the court. Does he deserve it? No, but that's what we're asking for. He then makes a statement.

Really? Quote, I'm not a monster. I don't kill people. I don't know what else to say, but I'm sorry that those youngsters got killed, got murdered. I wouldn't have done it. I would not have done that. They were no threat. Judge says, well, neither are you anymore. And says the most, you're the most, this is the most violent, selfish, most senseless, the most disturbing thing he's ever provided presided

over. He said each day when you wake to see the walls confining you and each night when you close your eyes to see the walls disappear, remember that these are privileges Riley and breezy no longer experienced because you murdered them because unlike your victims, your eyes to see the walls disappear, remember that these are privileges Riley and Breezy no longer experience because you murdered them. Because unlike your victims, you live to see another day. And allowing for a life sentence without the possibility of parole, the law shows more mercy to the defendant than he showed to either of them. You, sir, may fuck off life without fucking parole. Good, because he did it for zero gain. Zero gain.

Yep. So he tries to get a retrial in 2022. It doesn't work. Good. And fuck off, basically, is how that goes. Stay in there for the rest of, I don't know, you're not going to live much longer. You're a fat old man. Fucking eternity.

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