Small Town Murder - #404 - The Laughing Psychopath - Marrero, Louisiana

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

This week, in Marrero, Louisiana, a night of bar hopping & fun leads to a drunken group of people, driving in a car. It all turns very dark, when violence comes out of nowhere, resulting in one of the party ending up beaten, cut, slashed, and face down in the bayou, while the murderer giggles at the carnage. Will threats of even more vicious violence keep the rest of the crew quiet, or will someone tell everyone exactly what happened that night?Along the way, we find out that drunken alligators sing together, that you should probably never take a ride, from anyone, and that kidnapping can be the solution to murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's do this, Jimmy. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going down to Louisiana. Like I said, way down in the bayou here. We're going to Marrero, Louisiana, which I'm sure is not how you say it. It is, I believe. M-A-R-R-E-R-O.

Yeah. That sounds so familiar. Somebody I know is there. I'm sure it's Mayrero or who the hell knows. Louisiana. No, it's Marrero. Nothing is pronounced the way it looks in Louisiana, though. That whole state is set up just to mess with you. Every town is like, no, we're not going to pronounce it like that.

I think there's rules, though. Like, you can't move jaw muscles when you say it. So you have to say Marrero. Marrero. It's probably Marrero. Yeah, something like that. But the accent down there is different there's parts of louisiana that it sounds like a new york accent almost yeah yeah there used to be on live pd they used to have the slide l i believe it was police department and when they first popped on and i didn't see where they were from

i was like is this like is this like westchester or something like i thought it was new york because they literally like some of the half the words sound super cajun you know louisiana and half of them sound very new york so it's a weird accent down there in some spots it's kind of cool at least there's different very different accents all over the state very very different the french ones the word that's the hardest that's the hardest yeah there's there's well there's people don't even speak english there yeah that speak like not even french not english it's a weird it's not a language that's anywhere no you can't rosetta stone it right no no no no you have to grow up in a swamp to know that language this place is 15 minutes to new orleans it's right

outside new orleans right across the water from there three hours and 10 minutes to our last louisiana episode which was Lake Arthur. That episode, Olivia Newton-John must die. Remember that? The guy had Olivia Newton-John under his bed, he thought. Loved her. Wow, was that crazy. Xanadu was mixed in. Population here,

31,928 in this town here. It's a good size one. It's a good size. Median household income, this is low here, $ thousand seven hundred ninety one dollars which is yikes twenty thousand below the national average twenty five percent of the people here make under fifteen thousand dollars a year so what yeah it's there's it's pretty pretty uh low income here yeah bleak and then median home price here 189 700 which is way lower than the national average too so but also way lower than sea level that's the other problem yeah this a lot of people moved here after katrina

apparently this was a place that maybe higher ground a little i don't know just didn't flood as much so morero was named in honor of a louisiana politician and the founder of the Marrero Land Company, Louis H. Marrero. And it was originally shown on maps as Amesville after a guy from some Boston businessman who purchased a lot of the land after the Civil War. But then they they changed it officially, the post office and everything to Marrero in 1913 or 1916. So this Marrero guy is kind of an asshole, let let's just say i'm sure he's a bit of an asshole especially and to me i just i don't like this guy because new orleans was after the first italians to come here came to new orleans that's where they came in the in the 1800s you know 1870s times like that so the earliest earliest ones they came there and they the people there hated

italians like it was like oh it was like fucking san antonio people of mexicans it is not like they fucking hate them like that's how it was there they did not like them there was a huge there was a race riot involving all this shit in 1891. Oh, yeah. They did not want us there at all. So even after that, though, Italians still kept coming because that's where their families go. So if their family's there, whether you want us there or not, I got nowhere else to go. Where am I going to go? So my aunt said, I'm coming there. Yeah.

I got a place to stay. That's where I'm going. So they kept coming. I didn't realize this, though, too, that up until the 1990s, there were social clubs in New Orleans that had a no Italians allowed rule. They're like, because it was an old school rule and they just never changed it until the 90s, like 1890s from the 1890s. What? Yeah, absolutely. So they basically, a lot of the Italians moved over here to the West Bank, it's called, to avoid New Orleans, to avoid getting, you know, hated on a lot.

So they became farmers and grocers and all that sort of thing. And then the mafia kind of came up from there. This Marrero guy, he freaked out, though. There's a guy called the Axeman who's a famous New Orleans killer. And he killed all Italianian people in an italian area so they don't know if he was like a mafia hitman or just some guy who killed people close to where he lived or some guy who didn't like italians and killed like they never figured out who the hell he was it says he's known as the axe man still yeah he thought that he figured out who

the axe man was though okay and he he was convinced the whole thing was an Italian vendetta, quote unquote, the Axeman. He thought the suspects were these two guys. Frank Giordano was one of them and some other guy. Right. And he thought that they were the ones that did it. He called them like Jack the Ripper. He called him Jekyll and Hyde fiends in the newspaper and all this shit so after these store owners got attacked and their two-year-old got murdered uh by the axe man this marrero forced these people to say it was this guy who

is the axe man this some guy just that he thought it was uh-huh pressured the one told arrested the wife because she wouldn't talk and then finally she talked they sentenced this guy to die and then this lady ended up saying recanting the whole thing saying i was forced to say it and they ended up letting the guy go and everything so then marrero ended up being like you know pushed out of office and everything and wow there's a real asshole after that so he's a real dick uh people in this town famous people nfl players cordell stewart marty booker reggie wayne all from here cordell stewart yeah athletic people come from here guys who can play wide receiver or quarterback in the nfl reviews of this town give you a couple

of those here's four star five stars i'm sorry neighborhood and establish. I don't know what that means, but that's what it says. Most people who live in my neighborhood bought their homes at least two decades ago, and they are still here. Home prices have increased steadily in the last decade. Not too much, as we saw there in the home prices. Lawns and homes are

manicured constantly, and it is just beautiful. Here's three stars. Average. Average. Lawns and homes are manicured constantly, and it is just beautiful. Okay. All right. Here's three stars. Average. Average. Marrero is a nice place for families to settle down, and there's a decent amount of schools for your child's education.

As opposed to your grandpa's, so that's good. Who else goes to school? Jesus Christ. Here's two stars. Not as good. My overall experience of this area has been pretty bad. There's too much negativity around. The weather is either too hot or rainy, and that makes it feel like it's very cold during the winter because it's hot during the summer.

Not a lot of positivity around here. Allow me to contribute to that. You didn't say anything positive at all. No. Compared to everywhere else in the country, on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give it a 3. There's lots of crimes, and I don't really feel safe here. Okay. And here's one that's hilarious.

It's called Looking to Move is the, you know, whatever the subject. And it says, I currently live in Marrero, Louisiana, which is outside of New Orleans city limits. That's the whole review. Oh. Now, you can agree or disagree with the review on here. This has 227 agrees and 227 disagrees. That's the internet. I live in this town, which is outside of here.

Disagree. That's the internet for you. That explains the internet and a fucking i want to take a screenshot of that and say this is the internet in a nutshell run run get off get out fuck my life dude that is amazing i remember why i know the guy happy hour that used to donate to us lives there that's why oh okay so somebody that listens to that's how i've heard all right i got you not as near as interesting as played on to me things to do in this town i love this it's called the uh cajun festival okay and i love it because the advertising is two looks like drunken alligators one with like a woman's old timey

southern hat on. One's playing an accordion, the other's playing the guitar. They look drunken. They look like they're strolling through the streets. So that looks fun. Gators, yeah. Gators, yeah. Looking at that, there's a bunch of bands, and there is a crawfish eating contest.

I mean, there's not a lot to it. Do you have to suck the heads or not? That's the thing. What's the rulings on this? If you're eating in a contest room, you better. You better. I don't know what the rules are.

I'm sure there's rules for head sucking or non-head sucking. So let's say we won't get too far into that, but there's bingo, live music from people with very...

No reason of doing it. Very Louisiana names, like French sounding names and shit like that. Games, bingo. Limited capacity for it. Oh, yeah. They're going to... A live and silent auction that. Games, bingo. Limited capacity for it. Oh, yeah. They're going to a live and silent auction.

It's live and silent. Yeah. Makes it sound action packed. Yeah, it does. This whole thing, free admission. So get on down there and see that. Now, that said, let's talk about a murder. What do you say?

Let's do that. Let's do this here. Just a weird night out on the town. And this murder doesn't even really happen in Marrero, but everyone here is from Marrero. Okay. It happened while I was on the way to somewhere else from Marrero. So I'm calling it Marrero. It's Marrero.

There's no other. It's Marrero. So here we go. Let's talk about a couple of people. Here's John O. O is his middle initial, not, you know, O this. It's not O. O is his middle initial, not O this. It's not Irish. We'll call him John Orenthal Schilling is his last name with no C, which is a huge point of contention.

SH. SH, which the newspapers have it wrong. So when you're looking stuff up, very annoying to find this. But all the court documents it's sh so yeah not so john schilling he's 23 years old in 1981 where our story takes place here okay you know we've been doing a lot of very current stories lately right let's go back in time to some like 40 years ago louisiana swamp grime what do you say everybody this is this is fun shit so john o shilling not john o shilling from dublin here he's 23 years old and he's got a friend here herman billiott billiott like like billy and elliot mixed together

billy bill billy the idiot billy the idiot you're a real billy it aren't you yeah b-i-l-l-i-o-t billy wow yeah that's the one. He's 22. Herman Billiot. Wow, that's wild here. So these two idiots here and another man who will never be identified publicly because somehow he slept through everything that happens tonight in a car, which is insane. This is wild. But everybody here says, oh, no no that guy was fucking passed out cold apparently they were on a real drinking bender and one of the guys just passed out when some people when

they pass out from drinking they're out there's no way to wake him up yeah and he's this other third guy is one of those guys so picture another third man here with a funny name but when he wakes up he's going to be so tired because it's the worst sleep on the planet. In a car, especially. Drunk and in a car. The two worst ways to sleep. Especially. They'll go off-road half the time.

He's pumping around like there's no way he's sleeping well. Least restful rest ever. So these three guys are out on the town. Well, they're out on several towns. They go to Gretna which is nearby just south of new orleans as well they go to marrero louisiana they're going to all the hot spots all the nightlife hot spots as you can imagine yeah which is funny orbiting north because i remember saying new orleans is 15 minutes from here yeah which is the hot spot it's if you want if you want to go out at night

if that's your jam you like to go out and drink and fucking party at bars you don't get a better town than new orleans to do that in you really don't it's the street literally doesn't have car traffic because they want you out there they're like they're gonna everyone's gonna be drunk they're gonna be so many people getting run over just walk it just walk it you'll be all right just walk it but that's what it is it's it's that it's set up specifically for that the whole town is crafted for it and these people are like let's just hang out out here in the outskirts get in the car yeah so right away lazy is what i have to say about these two fucking lazy brazen yeah you want to go there nah i'm short nah i. Nah, I don't want that New Orleans pussy.

I'll take the... Get that grit in the pussy. Yeah. See what's going on in Marrero, where we're from. This is a combination of lazy and reckless. And, you know, this is... Why? Already, why?

That's what I'm getting. I could see, like, we're going to drink close to home because we're all going to drink and drive home. So that's, that's what I'm getting. If they're going to, if I could see like, we're going to drink close to home cause we're all going to drink and drive home. So that's how we're going to work this. We're going to drink close to home, but to go like bar hopping, go to new Orleans and find a better bar.

So it's 15 minutes away, man. I'm sure they went to high school with the bartender. So who the fuck knows, you know, who knows here. So later on in the evening, they, they went to like

a bunch of bars not just two bars like they're going to they're hopping bars like a drink a piece uh drink a spot here they meet up with late in the evening a woman named pamela leblanc she's very interesting as we'll talk about she's got all sorts of warrants out for arrest for things ranging from failure to quote move, which I assume is loitering. I think it's a bad breakup. Failure to move on. She just kept calling. She kept calling.

She would call her friends and cry all the time. And they called the cops and they said, I have a friend who will not move on. And they came to her house and charged her. If she called him, it would be harassment or something. But she was calling everybody else. I think her sister turned her in probably at the end, right? That would be the one to turn her in. My sister will not move on.

No, she won't. Let me give you her address. You need to go over there and get her because she will not move on. That should be a law. That should be a law. I knew it was a rule. I didn't know it was a law to quote love after lockup it should be both so oh my god that's so good wow so they're out with old pamela blanc here all everything ranging from that to prostitution as well oh jesus to other things too there's just all sorts of

stuff that she's not going to court for so she's a party obviously you want to hang out with her if you meet her is she fun so she joins the party here of the three guys and and ends up in their car where they go to another hot spot here and they meet another young lady who and i don't know if they knew this one beforehand or what or if they just met her and said yeah come party with us or whatever's going on this is stephanie uh placence uh yeah placence i guess what her name would be and penny she goes by so penny and pamela here okay two p's so then they go to another bar after that so they went to a bunch of bars to the point where they didn't meet LeBlanc, Pam LeBlanc, until late in the night, 11 o'clock, 1130.

And then they went to another bar, met this other girl. Then they go to another bar after that. This is like bar 10 of the night. You know what I mean? It sounds exhausting. This is 23 and 22 is what this is. Yeah, that's what that is. That's what that is.

You're absolutely right let's go see who's there let's go see who's there because their friends are probably out at bars and they're running to people they know so this place sucks let's get out of here yeah this place sucks man whereas if you're an adult and you show up you go well i made a bad decision tonight and then you sit down well you're an adult you show up and it sucks and you go this is great yeah well even if you don't like it you go well i just won't come here again but you're gonna this is where you're spending your evening now you're not going somewhere else yeah right let's say i'll have six seven beers here it'll it'll

start to get better after a few yeah absolutely it'll be a lot more fun so they do that at this bar the group and especially pamela leBlanc meet another young man here. Oh. So let's add another. So far we have five people in this group. Now let's add another. This is a guy named James Stache. Stache.

S-T-A-C-H-E. Oh, like a porn star. Yeah, exactly. There you go. James is Stache here. So he's 22 years old also. Oh, boy. He you go. James is stash here. So he's 22 years old also. Oh, boy. He joins in the group.

So they all party. They're drinking. This last bar, I guess, is the one they stay at and really tie one on. They're drinking from what is known later legally as a, quote, unknown quantity of beer. Plenty. Shit piles. Shit piles of beer. And this. Shit piles. Shit piles of beer. And this is a southern Louisiana unknown quantity.

Oh, boy. Which is like a Wisconsin unknown quantity. It could be, we have no idea. It could be anything. They usually measure it in kegs. Kegs, barrels, some weird southern form of measurement that I haven't even thought of yet. Some like corn holder or like some, you know, cotton bag worth. Give me half a cotton bag.

You know what I mean? Like, what does that mean? How much booze is that? I don't know. Not sure. So however that goes, they end up all leaving and piling into James Schilling's. Is it James Schilling? What the hell?

John Schilling. John Schilling. James Stash. John Orenthal. Yeah. Yeah. John piling into James Schilling's. Is it James Schilling? What the hell? John Schilling. John Schilling. James Stash. John Ornthal. Yeah. Yeah. John Ornthal Schilling. So they all climb into his car, the six of them, and drive away.

All right. Toward Lafitte, or Lafitte, Louisiana. Yeah. That's where they're headed toward. Why are they headed there? Who the fuck knows? None of them live there. I don't know why they're going there.

More bars? I don't know. they're going there. More bars? I don't know. I love that you said Lafitte. Lafitte? I want it to be Lafitte so bad. L-A-F-I-T-T-E. I think it's, is that Lafitte? It might be Lafitte.

It might be Lafitte. That's what I'm saying. Or it's Lafitte, either one. I hope it's Lafitte. That'd be amazing if it's Lafitte. Lafitte it might be or it's lafitte either one i hope it's lafitte that'd be amazing if it's lafitte lafitte lafitte uh they're going toward lafitte louisiana and the unknown third person since they've left this bar the unknown third male not you know the billiard and fucking shilling and not stash so at this point he's the fourth male yeah he passed out like as soon as they left this bar so he is now consider him ladies yeah consider him out of the equation

from now on may as well not even be in the car yeah if we had like all their pictures up cross him off just shade in his picture just black that picture. Well, originally he was just a gray outline of a skull, outline of a head on like a black background because he's an unknown photo unknown. We don't have the photo because we don't even know his name. So cross that out. Crossed out. Yeah. Just gone. Forget it.

He's captured. He's gone. He's exactly. He's arrested. So he will remain unconscious for, quote, the remainder of the night, which I don't know how that's possible. But according to the other witnesses, that's exactly what happened. So on the way to Lafitte, this is, you know, 3.30 in the morning type of deal. We're talking late, late, late night.

Schilling stops his car twice. We assume so people can go to the bathroom because unknown quantity unknown quantity of beer absolutely goes right through this yeah three unknown quantities and don't go once no it goes through you the fastest unknown quantities that's the thing really so they keep having to stop to piss which is another reason why you shouldn't drink this much and drive because you can't even go without going to the bathroom this far. So it's stupid. So they do that.

The first place he stopped was too well lit. And so they were like, shit, the reason why it was too well lit, Jimmy, this place is fucking wild. This is Southern Louisiana. We got to go party down here because it's crazy. Too many trash fires? There was a fire. You are correct. Not trash, though.

There were too many people nearby watching a car on fire. There was a large gathering of people. They pull off the road to piss, and they're like, well, we can't piss here. Like dozens of people just watching a car burn on the side of the road that's that was what they do here for fun that's how they fuck around y'all want to have bonfire i'm out of wood i'm out of wood i got an old mobile i mean a car in my front yard ain't getting ain't getting any more you know running so why not i got an amc javelin been there since about 76 we can just use that i got a volkswagen their blocks titanium that shit will light the canyon let's do it oh wow so they stopped

that's it they watched the fire for a while too because how do you if you do pull over and there's a car on fire you go what are we watching here are there people in that car we're just watching the car you sit there you watch it for a while it's gonna explode what's gonna happen and then you leave apparently eventually yeah you you get tired of watching a car on fire i mean oh yeah if it's not gonna blow up what are we watching here just it's gonna go out slowly a car fire a car fire no one's putting it out or doing it. They're just observing it. Yeah. And there's this many people observing it at 3.30 in the morning on the side of the road between two towns in Louisiana somewhere.

That's the other thing. It's too bright. It's too well lit. So no one can piss. They watch the fire and they're like, well, we should go somewhere else and piss here. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morb're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky and part comedy the stories we cover are well researched he claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people with a touch of humor i

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Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So Schilling, he's the driver, obviously. I'm sure he's a total designated driver. He's abstained the entire evening. Stone sober. This is a wobbly ride. He's drinking a Snapple right now, I believe. That's what he's doing. Come on, guys. Ten-hour energy. Six people stuffed in his car, too.

Two ladies, four guys. One of them passed out in the corner farting every two minutes. Cars are on fire. It's a wild night in Louisiana. So they drive down the road a little further and stop again. in Louisiana. So they drive down the road a little further and stop again. So we got the billiard,

we got Schilling, and we got James Stash, and they... Yes, we get all of them. They all walk about 10 feet from the vehicle and everybody starts to piss or do whatever here. So everybody seems

fine. Everybody's putting their dicks away and such, everybody seems fine. Everybody's putting their dicks away and such, you know, as one does. Everybody's putting their dicks away. And pretty much out of nowhere, Billiard and Schilling began to start beating Stash up. Oh. They just start punching him. They knock him down. They start kicking him and beating him and punching him.

Surprise. Out of no, there has been no arguments there's been no ill will it's just like yeah come on with us we're gonna go party and just everyone's taking a piss and these two apparently billy and shilling have talked about this because they begin doing it at the same time so attack yeah it's definitely a coordinated attack then god damn it fucking louisiana then if that's not enough to beat this man for no reason they both pull knives out billion and shilling and began to cut and stab him just stabbing him slicing him stabbing him up a little bit just stabbing him all over the place and cutting oh

my god after they beaten him and everything else Then they beat him more because he's still like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this to me? Ow, that hurts. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. So then they beat him even more into a state of kind of semi-consciousness. Yeah. With punches and kicks and whatever else blows are raining down.

Yeah, raining down upon him. And then they rob him. Sure. raining down upon him and then they rob him sure of what i assume the whole point of this attack was because there really is no other reason to attack him and they rob him of the grand sum of 30 30 30 30 is what they got out of his pocket fuck man you know saturday night beer money they get out of his pocket that's a big pullout 30 bucks for for one guy for an hour 30 bucks well and down there in a small town in 1981 probably 25 a beer i'm gonna say if you pay a dollar over a dollar a beer you're a sucker probably back then so you know yeah i remember you my money for that kind of money yeah because in remember the movie

she's having a baby with kevin bacon yeah remember that movie got more kevin bacon talk after that last the michigan episode i had to watch like eight kevin bacon movies because the victim's name was kevin bacon and it just got me thinking about kevin bacon movies and there's one point where there he wants to go out to like a club and him and his wife are out at a club there and he goes this is great man i just love this this is great it's obviously terrible it's loud they can't hear each other they're drinking he goes i just paid 350 for a beer and it's just great man that's isn't that hilarious that's great and that was considered like outrage like can you believe crazy amounts of money for a beer that was 87 so i'm assuming that

that's a special today yeah that would be shit beer you're getting cheap shit on draft for special uh yeah that's budweiser you're drinking trash you're drinking trash so yeah you're drinking that or well that's kind of what i when we go out what do i get jimmy well yeah of course like trash there trash trash beer makes your breath smell like a milk fart let's get into it let's do it yeah i don't fucking care that's that's i can't drink good beer well i've had that in my life i grew up on malt liquor and shit like i'm not i was good i think that beer is very much like wine that the difference between a good one and a bad one is whether or not you like it that's the difference if you like the beer then it's fucking good beer.

Yeah, yeah. See, to me, cheap beer has less taste, which is what I want, because beer doesn't taste great. I don't like micro-brew shit. No, I don't want to taste the hops and all that shit. No, no. I don't want to drink a fucking orchid. Yeah, Coors Light tastes like water, and if it's ice cold,

I can slam it down in two sips, and if I have two of those really fast, I can get a little buzz going and be happy. A little dance, yeah. That's it. And I'm like, that's enough for me. A little dance and wobble. There we go. Two of those, slam down, smoke a joint. I'm feeling good.

Let's have fun. Look at this wobble. I like it. Yeah. It's not for taste. No. Holy shit. How do you drink something so flowery and enjoy that?

Like with food. Yeah. That's disgusting. That's a way to fuck Like with food. Yeah. That's disgusting. That's a way to fuck up a meal. Yeah. It'll overpower it. Yeah. Don't do that.

So these guys, $30 they get. Okay. So now $30 richer. Billy at $15 a piece they did this for. And they leave him in the woods? They just leave him on the side of the road. Yeah. Just on the side of the road where they pulled over.

Down the road from a car fire. Down the road from a car fire. Well, someone will drive by eventually. So everybody gets back into the car and they drive away and they end up at Schilling's house in Lafitte, wherever it is. That's where he lives, Lafitte. That's where they were going. His trailer. It's not a house.

What am I talking about? It is a trailer. I know that for That's where they were going. His trailer. It's not a house. What am I talking about? It is a trailer. I know that for a fact. They're going to his trailer, and they just leave him for dead on the side of the road. They're like, we cut him and stabbed him and beat him a bunch. I'm sure he'll die. And they just leave. For $30.

For $30. So this is why also you shouldn't do murders when you're shit-faced and been drinking all night. They get back to the trailer, which I love in the court document, quote, soon after arriving at his residence, which makes it sound way more, makes it sound way fancier than what actually happened here. Yeah. They pulled up at his trailer, says more fitting. Schilling and Billiott leave the two women at the trailer. Y'all stay here hang tight the third guy still in the car passed out okay so he's just going for rides this guy he has no idea where

he's going what's happening he's been an accomplice to an attempted murder so far or possibly a murder he doesn't know he's just in the car passed out so they say we got to go back to the scene of remember where we left that guy on the side of the road? We got to go back there because Schilling dropped his knife back there. Oh, gosh. John Schilling dropped the weapon he was stabbing this boy with, so we're going to have to probably go get that. That's not good.

So holy shit. When they arrive, they pull up and they look where he was. He's not where they left him. Oh, no. They're like, oh, shit. When they arrive, they pull up and they look where he was. He's not where they left him. Oh, no. They're like, oh, shit. They look up the road a little bit. He's got his thumb out hitchhiking. He's fucking hitchhiking.

And he's got Schilling's knife now. Now he's armed. Now he's got Schilling's knife and he's just out there with his thumb out waiting for you know car fire people to pass by apparently or some shit so attaboy wow this is a tough guy he got beaten kicked stabbed cut multiple to the point where they were like oh he's definitely dead not only is he not dead he's actively hitchhiking that's wild well bleeding i'm impressed you know what i mean no one's picking him up, because he looks like a zombie probably with blood pouring out of him. Are you stopping?

I'm not stopping. Fuck no. I might call the ambulance or something from up the road, but I'm not stopping for him. I might tweet the local police department. Yeah. Hey, got a picture of him? Yeah. This shit's on the side of the road, guys.

Somebody might want to fucking fix this. Somebody give this fella some help. I'm scared to death. Bowie knife tucked in the side of the road, guys. Somebody might want to fucking fix this. Somebody give this fella some help. I'm scared to death. Bowie knife tucked in the front of his pants. I'm not. Pick me up. No thanks. I don't know who did that to him or if he did it himself.

Yeah, who knows? I'm not stopping to ask. So they're pissed off. Billy and Schilling are like, this motherfucker. How dare he? Not only is he alive, which we didn't authorize, number one. We asked for this to not be. Number two, I don't believe in hitchhiking.

That's, you know, number two. It just clogs up the sides of the roads. Number three, that son of a bitch stole my knife. Sure, I left it in him, but he thinks it's his now just because I left it stuck in his ribcage. That's ridiculous. Unbelievable. So they pull up next to him because he's hitchhiking. So they drive up and pull up next to him and say, get in the car.

You're the only car I don't want to get in with. And he gets in the car. What? Why would he do that? I don't know how they talked him in. He has a knife now. You'd think he would pull the knife out and be like, get the fuck away from me right now. in the car what why would he do that i don't know how they talked him into he has a knife now you think he would pull the knife out and be like get the fuck away from me right now as soon as you

step out that door i'm stabbing your face that's as soon as that door opens i'm fucking stab stab somewhere yeah somebody's getting stabbed i'm sorry i'm gonna be swinging this like a psychopath but instead he's like all right i guess they're like we we're sorry. We didn't mean to. We was just kidding. We was just playing. Yeah, punctured lungs part of the game, pal. Come on, get in. It's fun. We was just tickling you. Them girls really want to fuck you.

Come on in. Oh, man. I'll bet they used it. Even if you're bleeding when you're 22, even with several knife wounds, you're like, I don't know. I'll patch this up, and I'll worry about it after I get laid. A blowjob? Is that what she said? I think that's what she said.

I'm pretty sure she said that. She said she couldn't wait to suck your dick. We'd all be in the car. That's the sad part. Okay. Sounds good. Great. I can't wait to get there.

Lead the way. Lead the way. So they get in the car and they drive down the road. Where do they drive? Not back to Schilling's trailer. No. To a more secluded spot. Yeah.

Now, if you're this James Stash guy, you got to go, man, I make bad decisions. Why did I do this? I got in the car with a bunch of strangers. That wasn't smart. They beat and stabbed me. I got back in the car with them again, and now I'm in an even worse spot. Would you believe it? Jesus Christ.

This is crazy. Poor Stache. Most trusting man on the planet. At least when Dahmer went to get his victims back, they didn't want to go back. He had to pull them in. This guy's like, okay, I'll come back. This sucks sucks i feel bad for this guy but jesus christ at some point like this would be like if kevin bacon lost more money into yeah he was like you know what i think i get that he didn't he was accounting practices weren't that great but he says that he's really

cleaned it up he's cleaned up his act and he's gotten way better people in his staff and it's gonna work out this time so the sec cleared him this time he's got a beat on a company that's really gonna be a winner i feel like we should invest in it so he is they they drag him to the edge of the bayou yeah again terrifying to be here with strangers who apparently want to murder you so at this point he doesn't want to get out, James, of the car. He's like, I'm not getting out here. I saw what happened last time I got out. So they drag him out of the car, each of them punching him repeatedly in the head. And then for some reason, both of them were just punching him in the throat a whole bunch of times,

which is the strangest attempt at a murder I've ever heard in my life. We'll just punch his throat so So don't breathe no more. That's what a weird thing. So then apparently shilling takes him toward the edge of the Bayou where they're beating him. They're right. Like on the bank here, sure.

Shilling pulls a knife out. I guess the knife he got back from stash. So give me my knife back and slits his throat with the knife he got back from stash so give me my knife back and slits his throat with the knife then he pushes his head underwater yep right there by the shore and stands on his head wow stands on his head while it's in the water until he eventually drowned and we'll give you details of that in a second so yeah he drowned there but i there. But, I mean, there's bubbles coming up. And he's like, look at that. They got bubbles.

And he's laughing about it and shit. Schilling's a sick fuck, man. He's a real sick fuck. So that's what they're doing. He's drowned. So then they go, all right, well, that's that. They leave him there just like his head in the swamp. You know, his head.

They get back in the car. And they drive back to the trailer there. And they pick the two women up. Yeah. Take them home okay and on the way to taking them home though they make sure to regale them with the tale of how they finish the guy off yeah oh man we went back you wouldn't believe it he's hitchhiking with my knife in his pocket boy i fucking blah blah blah held him under the water and give him details and then of course schilling says if y'all tell anybody about this i'll obviously kill you both clearly i mean that's goes without saying obviously there i assume that

was much yeah so why if they i don't understand why they wouldn't just drive the girls home then go kill him or i don't understand why they gotta go back what they went back or why they would go why they would tell the girls about it wouldn't you go and be like well we couldn't find him he must have left right that way at least you're setting it up so if you know i don't know you could say possibly later on that someone else must have picked him up and killed him who the hell knows and the girls would be like yeah that's what they told us too and you would at least have some something these two aren't bright i'm gonna say though no and they're real billiards yeah right

yeah that's what they are hillbilly it's hillbilly it's so uh stephanie here the uh the one chick here uh that's with them the second one penny who they picked up at the second bar here stephanie later says she's later asked quote then what happened this is by the police because they go to the police these girls because they're terrified now because they think maybe they're going to change their mind and come back and kill us yeah they changed their mind and went back and killed that guy why why not us we're witnesses now why the fuck wouldn't they kill us so her name is stephanie stephanie yeah stephanie penny she goes oh okay yeah so they say then what happened and she said quote they meaning john and herman took us to john's trailer residence as the court put it trailer

and then john locked up the phone in the bedroom and told us that if we would leave that he would kill us and we didn't leave they when they went to the house to drop them off they didn't just say yeah hang out watch tv we'll be right back he went to man locked him in the house locked the phone up in the bedroom so they couldn't call anybody right and said we'll kill you if you leave oh boy what a weird this is why generally it's dangerous to go home with people you just met. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's back then it was maybe the worst time to do it.

Oh, God. Yeah. Nobody has a cell phone. Oh, no. The house phone locked up. That's it. Shit. Go outside and scream.

Other than that, I got nothing. We should probably just stay here so they don't kill us. Yeah. Let's let's try to make them not kill us. That seems like our best course of action. So she said they that he would kill us and we didn't leave then him and herman left and when they came back it was almost daylight and they took me home he stopped at a gas station and then he pulled over to the side of the road and he wanted to cut my throat he's like i going to go ahead and kill you.

Apparently, they know Pam. All right. Apparently, they know Pam ahead of time. But they don't know Penny. She's new. So he said, I'm going to go ahead and cut your throat now. It's just for, you know, be safe and all. Yeah.

You know. Say cut. Well, measure twice, cut once. You know what I mean? Yeah. Go ahead and cut your throat. So Pam, apparently, according to Stephanie, quote, Pam told him that he wasn't going to do that to me. You're not going to fucking cut this girl's throat in this car with me.

That's not happening, basically, is what she said, which is thank you, Pam. That's nice. You're not going to do that to me, quote. And then we left, and him and Herman talked about what happened when they went back to get John's knife. And he said that he cut that guy's Adam's apple out. Oh, boy. Not just cut his throat, cut his Adam's apple out. Cut all.

Why? Why'd you do that? Why is that necessary? It's not too far it's just too far extra stank on it uh he said that he quote cut adams uh cut the guy's adams apple out and that he stabbed him in the heart and stepped on him underneath the water till he couldn't see no bubbles coming up that's the direct quote and he was laughing like it was a joke. And then Herman started laughing and they dropped me off about three blocks

from my house. Didn't even take her home. Which if I'm her, I'm going right here's fine. Yeah. I'm fine with this. No, I just moved. I live right here now. It's great. Yeah, I'm down the street. I'll get there. I live at the post office. Yep, that's right where I live. Just drop me. There's a room up above. Yeah. The mailbags are very comfortable. I'll get there. I live at the post office. Yep, that's right where I live. Just drop me.

There's a room up above. Yeah. The mailbags are very comfortable. I sleep on them. It's wonderful. Just drop me the fuck off here. So that's what her story is. That's her, quote, damning testimony because it's exactly what happened and exactly matches up with the wounds and all that kind of thing the coroner who examined james stash he'll later testify that the immediate

cause of death was drowning oh because he immediately put him underwater and he drowned before he bled out yeah oh my god blood because it'll take a couple minutes to die even if you get your throat cut whereas drowning i guess was a little bit quicker and it's probably a photo finish if i'm being honest yeah you're, you're right. Another couple seconds, it was going to get him anyway. It's something was going to get him. But that water in a cut has got to hurt so bad. Oh, bayou water? The pain this guy went through.

Jesus Christ. You hope an alligator would just come up and eat you at that point. Just bite your head right off. Get us both. Fuck me. Just bite your head off. Get us both. Fuck me.

So the coroner also said that one of the stab wounds to the right portion of James' back caused bleeding into the chest cavity. Yeah. He thought that this particular wound could have resulted in death if the bleeding had continued unabated with no medical attention. Sure. So that was the last one that he did there. So apparently the other stabbings were more superficial in nature. The one in the back was deep. Not life-threatening, the ones that happened at the first beating. So he said, it appears from the evidence that this wound was inflicted during the initial attack on the victim, though, but they don't know.

So they said that based on the bleeding, but who the fuck knows at this point. It's a mess. So they go to talk to Schilling after these girls turn him in. They go to talk to him and he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. What do you mean? I don't know. Then they look at his car for a while and he still won't talk, Schilling. He won't do anything.

But then they talk to Hillbilly it here. And once they talk to him, they tell him, hey hey let me tell you what we found in your buddy's car okay uh blood stains on the rear seat evidence of damage to the exterior of the car supporting testimony that came from one of the girls that his head was smashed against the vehicle multiple times as well yeah so they bashed his head and Yeah. That did the damage. And also there was a wound to Schilling's hand that was, you know, like a cut, like you'd stab somebody and it would slide down. And he had like his knuckles were scraped up from beating and pummeling this guy. So they go, this is what we have now. And we have girls saying that you two did this.

So which one of you did it? Basically. Yeah. Right now it's both of you. So. Right. Race. Race to the lighter sentence? Yeah. Right now, it's both of you. Right. Race to the lighter sentence? Yeah. Who wants the lighter sentence?

And then so they said, quote, what did John Schilling tell you he did? And Hillbilly, it said, quote, he told me he punched the guy in the throat and the guy was still breathing and he wouldn't go down. And he took his knife and slit his throat and put his head underwater and watched the bubbles come up and laughed about it. That's what he said. Jesus christ that's cold man so to say that out loud that's what he told me it feels very uh first person though watched the bubbles come up and laughed about it yeah in may of 1980 near anaheim california dor California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again. Leaving us to wonder, decades later, what really happened to Dorothy Jane Scott?

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Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. That's so funny. Yeah, well, he was there. I mean, he was right there. So they said, what kind of disposition did he have when he was telling you this? Was he serious?

And he said he was serious, but he thought it was funny. You know, hilarious, obviously. But Bubbles coming up, ain't that funny? Air leaving his body, that's hilarious, right? I do a lot with comedy and jokes, and I can't find it. No, that's what I'm looking for. That's what I was trying to figure out, too, because I'm like, maybe I'm losing my touch. You know what I'm saying?

I've been doing comedy a long time. Maybe I've lost my touch. I don't know what it is anymore. Maybe that's hilarious. I don't see it. I've been doing comedy a long time. Maybe I've lost my touch. I don't know what it is anymore. Maybe that's hilarious. I don't see it. I've written a joke before, and the structure is very unique. I'll say that. It is.

I mean, and that's fine. You know what? Jokes don't all have to be in the same structure, and I'm totally cool with that. At the end, though, the punchline needs to be something better than the bubbles were coming up and he died. I feel like that just as lack it's maybe it's the rule of threes maybe one other thing has to be there bubbles he died and then something fun i don't know what it is maybe some spit or slobber maybe it's missing something right just something we can punch the workshop it that's all workshop

it could just be in the setup you never know that's the thing sometimes it's just too wordy of a setup who knows we'll we'll get into it later so the live audience it might work try it when we're done with the show tonight we'll workshop it me and you okay we'll figure it out we'll get to the bottom of this so they're saying first degree murder is this first degree murder uh the law says in louisiana at the time when the offender has a specific intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm and is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of armed robbery that's first degree murder 30 bucks 30 bucks but they killed him the second time oh so they're gonna going to argue that. No, no, no, no, no. Those are separate acts.

Yeah. We took his thirty dollars and didn't kill him. We just left him there for dead. We thought we killed him, but we didn't. Then we left and came back to get the knife. And then, you know, a whole other separate thing happened, which I feel like if it's if it's in the same day, it's the same thing, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. It's within a couple hours but also just because your first attempt wasn't very good doesn't mean that you know i mean this isn't the same attempt yeah they thought he was dead right you know like that's when they were you didn't go back to kill him you went back to get the murder weapon exactly because you thought it was there right so they say quote in essence the defendant argues that he was not engaged in the perpetration of an armed robbery at the time the murder was committed we already had his money yeah nothing left to steal uh defendant contends that the armed robbery and murder were two distinct acts they're different i mean they might as well be on different days

with different people they're totally different there's your punchline. That's the punchline. There's the joke, friends. The setup. Exactly. Sometimes, look, Dane Cook's act isn't very funny on spec, but with the act out, then it gets funny. It's still not funny. It never has been, but people bought it for a while.

People bought it for a while. They needed the hip gyration. That's what it was. More humping. So, the defendant contends that the armed robbery, there are two distinct acts. In support of this theory, defendant emphasizes the fact that the victim was abandoned after the initial assault and robbery. I'm a hell of a guy. I left him for dead on the side of the road by a swamp.

Now it's getting funny, guys. Now I'm a hell of a guy i left him for dead on the side of the road by a swamp now it's getting funny guys now i'm a bad guy jesus when the defendant and his companions drove away to the defendant's trailer so that's his thing like i'm fine where he's kidnapped two women yeah where he has two women essentially kidding you're not allowed to leave or i'll kill you is kidnapping the last time i checked and i'm locking the phone up to make sure right i don't think that's voluntary so shilling and billy if they're going to try them together as co-defendants here okay oh so nobody's getting a lighter sentence no one's well that could be but they're they're going to be tied together so neither of them will testify during the trial which is kind of standard for this type of thing yeah yeah um shilling's gonna rely on the testimony of two witnesses to establish an alibi for his whereabouts on the night he's gonna say i wasn't even there

his car his car okay several people yeah i wasn't there the bar he left with them there's so much evidence of that he was there it's not even funny for hating italians he's using a real mob tactic there he really is in the bathroom what are you talking about i don't know what you're talking about i've never been to that place before especially when your co-defendant said this is what he told me he did like and i was there and so i know he gave me the details i saw him dead i was in the bathroom i was in the bedroom i don't know what you're talking about so leblanc here the one girl she's gonna tell one young woman here she's gonna testify she says that now he's gonna say her trial testimony by the way schilling says her trial testimony is inconsistent with information contained in the police report okay that's

that's his thing where he's saying it's all fucked up all fucked up the testimony that leblanc or leblanc gave regarding which bar room she was in at different points in the evening was at times inconsistent with the information she gave to the police and a police report or it's exactly consistent with somebody consuming alcohol going drunk and going to different bars but she testifies in court and at trial here that she was not drunk at the time of the commission of the crime i guess so but in the police report she indicated that she was drunk but in hindsight she's like i guess i wasn't that drunk but at the time she's like oh i'm i'm drunk so additionally here

shilling contends that the police report indicated that the that the witness here, Penny, was angry and afraid of him because because she believed that Schilling had stolen three hundred fifty dollars from her who common law husband. That's who is common law married to horse. Every 22 year old is common law married. And right Of course. Every 22-year-old is common law married, right? What the fuck is happening down here? What's the law down there? Is it like spend three hours with a man and you're married? If you don't pull out, I think you're married, right? That's what it is.

I see it dripping out of you. That's you're married now. I cream-pied her. That's my wife. That's my wife. That's how you get one down here. She can't even help it. She says, pull out.

I'm too young to get married. And I'm like, nope. Stroke too long. You're my wife. Right when I come, I go, I do. We're registered at Target. Come on. Come on down.

All right. We're registered at the pig. Register jimmy is what the pig we we've learned our lessons it's the pig yeah it's got a nickname so 350 from her common law husband so that's so that's his thing of why she's a liar because she's scared of me because i stole from her husband so she must be lying about me okay okay she's gonna pin a murder on me yeah that's because that's what you do with people you're scared of yeah shilling further asserts here that the prosecution should have disclosed a meeting or a missing persons report which noted that stash was last seen at 10 p.m on the night of february 23rd because obviously all the other testimony says

that he the murder occurred on the 20th so if he was alive on the 23rd it couldn't have happened on the 20th so there you go done and done meanwhile they just wrote down the wrong fucking date on the missing person report that's all it was the date was wrong that's easy that's it but he said well couldn't have been that's what it is sorry i'm innocent bye everybody i'll be seeing you later tried to walk out of court. Trying to run out on a technicality. Jesus fucking Christ. So, yeah, the missing persons.

There was an incorrect date of the murder is what happens here. That's all it is. So the court finds that the inconsistencies between the police report and the trial testimony are completely immaterial. Obviously, it's the same facts. Just there's a wrong date written down. So it's not like a traffic ticket where it's like, oh, that's the wrong date. Now I don't get a ticket. That's not what this is.

It's murder. I did that. That's awesome. Yeah. That's what I mean. It works. Murder doesn't work like that. That's the thing.

They'll hang on to that one. Yeah. As Bunk says, murder stay murder. Yeah. That's how it works. Let's fix the paperwork and we'll go forward. murder yeah that's how it works to pay for it and we'll go forward so they said the testimony of prosecution witness uh penny here was virtually unshakable despite rigorous cross-examination and they said that the state reinforced the testimony of the two young ladies by linking

schilling to the crime through the presence of ass loads of physical evidence and other witnesses too yeah so they say now he also says you didn't disclose the prosecution did not disclose an agreement that you had with leblanc so i shouldn't be convicted that's what should be a mistrial yeah okay he asserts that the state failed to disclose an agreement that it had with leblanc he says that the disclosure disclosure of this agreement would have allowed the defense to show witness bias. You know, like she was just doing this to get out of something. Something obviously, lots of prison and stuff like that must be. So to support this contention, Schilling produced two handwritten documents purported to be letters from LeBlanc that are completely unverifiable and everything.

They're not notarized. Nobody knows if that's her. It's just paper with words on it. Right. Or if he found a woman and was like, will you write in a girl's handwriting, write this please, and then told her what to write.

Right. Love Peggy. Love Pamela. Pam. Yes. Yeah. Pam. So the supposed agreement addressed minor change,

minor charges for public drunkenness, resisting arrest, quote, refusing to move on. Simple battery. These arrests were all put before the jury. They told them, aren't you? Isn't this true? And on cross-examination, LeBlanc admitted that she was to be tried on a charge of prostitution as well.

That was going through the courts. She denied, though, that she made any agreement with the prosecution. Oh. Which she might have. And a lot of times they'll do that they'll go well we can't make a deal with the little after the trials that way there's no deal right now yeah but later on you know i'll go to court and say give her time served and fucking kick her to the curb you know what i'm saying so but doesn't matter she denied that she made any agreements the state denies that any deal was made and that's that so they go to the jury it's a pretty i mean they have all these witnesses and all this physical evidence it's not a lot of

his whole defense was it's the wrong day and he was still alive until three days later when he was missing so it couldn't have been me which is a terrible defense and the cops are going to be nice to her i need to go home i need to go home. I need to go home now. So the jury instructions here, they say that in order to convict him of first-degree murder, this is what they say, that they must find the jury that, number one, that these people killed James Stash. Sure. Number two, that they acted with the specific intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm. Sure. And that the defendants were engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of an

armed robbery. That's first degree. Second degree murder is they must find that the defendants killed the victim and, uh, that the defendant acted with the specific intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm and, um,

and that, so that's, that's pretty much all that is there okay that's first or second okay so that's how it works now the verdict for shilling is there they have verdicts they're both sure guilty of something we know that let's find out what they're guilty of shilling is found guilty of first degree murder yes so he's first degree billy it he'll billy it you sir or not yet sorry guilty of second degree murder yeah him so here's the sentencing here uh shilling well the judge is going to say it here he says you sir may fuck off and he says you are sentenced to life imprisonment without

the benefit of parole probation or suspended suspension of sentence life without yeah cut bag fuck off it's a long way to go a long way to go to go never gonna see you again bye yeah i just want to give you the last words that you'll ever hear outside prison walls i'm gonna give you a lot of them it's a bunch of words so really buckle up for this one son uh now billy it here they say you sir may fuck off life with parole after how long 25 don't know i think 2030 i think it is here maybe louisiana it might be 3000 we don't know who knows but also back then with the guidelines it could have been life that's 30 but then half of that or 20 it might have been 10 years for all we know we have no idea so shilling's going to appeal this is that right oh yeah yeah he says that number one the instructions to the jury on the law of principles was constitutionally wrong here so that's number

he didn't say any of this by the way the word constitutionally he'd go uh wow consequentially um um incidentally what's the word one of them european car brands i don't know what the hell that is so number two whether schilling was denied the fair trial because all potential jurors unwilling to impose the death penalty were excluded from the jury yeah whether the jury instruction on reasonable doubt was constitutional and whether the prosecution suppressed exculpatory evidence and knowingly used perjured testimony. So that would be the evidence of the deal being made with Pam and all that kind of shit. So whether the prosecution failed to disclose that, there they go. So they said the exclusion of the jurors unwilling to do the death penalty.

Apparently, he complained that he was denied this impartial jury jury jury because six potential jurors were excused for cause based on their lack of willingness to impose a death penalty. They said the trial court took care not to automatically exclude potential jurors who verbalized reservations about the death penalty. Nine potential jurors and all expressed a reluctance to impose the penalty. So a third of them stayed. Yeah. So he concedes, Schilling concedes that each of the six excused potential jurors indicated that he or she could not impose the death penalty under any circumstances. So they said that that would, so that's his like main thing there. indicated that he or she could not impose the death penalty under any circumstances.

So they said that that would, so that's his, like, main thing there. And they tell him, you fucking idiot. That's how shit works here. And you didn't get the death penalty either, stupid. Yeah, you got life. You got life. It'd be one thing if he got the death penalty and they were excluding people, but this is, no, you got life. So the only thing he can really appeal is that his sentence was wrong he tries to appeal on every other ground but it's it's

absolutely asinine just because you're gonna die in there doesn't mean you've got a death sentence no exactly you get to live you get to live in there as long as you want as long as you can go for it you know keep going you got this buddy so and then the other things were the jury instruction which was stupid and whether the prosecution suppressed the they found out that there was no evidence to suppress because they didn't have a deal with that young lady so i don't know if she ended up getting her prostitution charge dropped or what but yeah i guarantee you after this night those those two young ladies um probably are more careful about who they go home with i would assume they changed their lives and and also the guy in the back seat's like i'm

never falling asleep in public again i'm never drinking again i'm never drinking because wow i was involved in a murder and i didn't even fucking know it that's the craziest part of this whole case there was a participant that had no idea any of this happened while they were in the middle of it all no someone was banging a guy's head against the car and he's just pass out not even come in come on it's all right come in somebody answers the goddamn phone it's open door's open leave me alone fucking insane that is to me the craziest part of this entire case is that the guy slept through all of this and had no idea any of this crazy shit occurred i wouldn't know if i he went to court just to go, wow, really? I did all that shit happen. I just came here to hear what happened that night because I am.

Wow. That was a fascinating dream. Listen, this was, how big was this car? There was six fucking people in it, and one man was comfortable enough to sleep. To sleep for hours. The whole thing. Only thing I could think, it's 1981. Yeah. So it might have been a big you know

big old 70s boat yeah big big old boat for a big fucking cordover monty carlo giant fucking car brome of some sort some big giant who the hell knows some rundown piece of shit so that uh everybody is this insane town whatrero, Louisiana, which it didn't even take place in. It's more like Lafitte, but that's okay. Who gives a shit? Lafitte. Lafitte. That is the Lafitte.

Don't fail me now. That is terrible. So that's this terrible case, terrible everything, and a lot of fun, unfortunately. I'm glad we did it. I'm glad we talked about this. Nobody talks about this one, I'm sure. No, no, this has never been on a podcast. It's never been on anything.

This is one of those things that was a blip in a newspaper. Some kid nobody gives a shit about. It's not like his parents came out, oh, we loved her. Nobody said that. Some kid that was a blip that got killed in the bar, after the bar, and it just went away. I mean, not that it's that important, but I kind of like to find some of the ones that are like this where it's just a court document that you can find and then go find it lives on in these archives.

And a man needed us to tell this story because he didn't know because he had no idea. And I don't and I don't know what we don't even know his name. And I don't know. I can't find what the prisoners are up to. I assume Billy, it's probably out by now. It's been 40 years. It's got to be, right? So he's got to be out by now.

Unless he turned into a complete piece of shit in there and just got more and more time tacked on. Or he was killed or he had a disease or who the fuck knows. Schilling, who knows. But either way, they're both, what, 63, 64? They're not even that old. At least, yeah. So that're not even that old so that's not even that old they could get a more time in there who knows there it is if you like that show tell the world about it we always ask you please get on whatever app you're on it's an easy free

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