Small Town Murder - #413 - Judging The Devil By His Horns - Pittsfield, Massachussets

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

This week, in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, A very terrible man, somehow finds people just as terrible as him, including a man who has his teeth sharpened, tongue split, and has horns implanted into his forehead, to commit some of the most brutal murders that can be imagined. They laughed as they described the torturous killings, and the bloodbath of dismemberments that follow! It's an all around wild tale!!Along the way, we find out that not all of Massachusetts is fancy & expensive, that you can't intimidate everyone into silence, and that if you have horns on your head, it's hard to tell people not to judge you by your looks!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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craziest goddamn things i could think of we're gonna have those together in one episode one's in louisiana and one is in oh arkansas north dakota something like that so we'll talk about that it's gonna be yeah they're wild stuff north dakota something like that something like that i don't know right up the middle there somewhere up up the gut over the over the second base bag and in the center field that's all i know so we'll uh talk about that patreon.com slash crime and sports and jimmy will give you a shout out at the end of the show and we'll praise you as jimmy mispronounces your name so that's a lot of fun that said disclaimer time this is a comedy show we're comedians we're gonna make jokes we can't help it and that's what the show is. So we're going to make jokes. The thing is,

though, we know when to make the jokes. It's not everywhere you make a joke. That's the thing. As a matter of fact, we go out of our way not to make jokes about the victims or the victims' families. Why do we do that, James? We're assholes, but we're not scumbags. There it is. That's how that works there.

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just don't think it's a match. Maybe you won't like the show. I don't know. But no complaining afterwards because we warned you. That said, I think it's time everybody to sit back let's all clear the lungs everyone here arms to the sky and let's all shout let's do this jimmy what do you say let's go on a trip shall we let's do it we're going right up the road from whence we sit here at my house, and it's only a couple hours away. You may have been there with me.

I've been there so many times. You may have been to this place, to Pittsfield, Mass., with me, because this was the first place we used to go where dispensaries are. I've only been to Great Barrington. Yeah, once we found out about that, it's a lot closer, so we went there. But, yeah, Pittsfield here, it's out about that, it's a lot closer. So we went there. But yeah, Pittsfield here. It's in Western Massachusetts, Northwestern Massachusetts. It's weird because a lot of the towns, like when you drive into Great Barrington, you're

like, what a beautiful town. Yeah. Like a lot of the towns in Massachusetts are like that. This is one where it looks like you could film a 70s movie there. Oh. Like it looks like the town they film Slapshot in. You know what I mean? Very Idaho. No, no, no. Very like there oh like it looks like the town they film slap shot in you know what i mean like it's idaho no no no very like rust belt it looks like it's a rust belt looking you know kind of factories that look like they haven't been used in 40 years and that kind of

shit brick buildings with stains all over them with nothing inside of them it's a lot of that yeah it's a kind of a it's a weird looking when you're like oh this town isn't that great meatpacking district yeah it's not good they they made something there at some point that they no longer make there and it's all falling apart it's about two and a half hours to boston from here it's about 40 minutes to great barrington if you want to go to another dispensary town they have a lot of them there it's very nice and then about an hour and 15 minutes to greenfield massachusetts which was our last episode michael myers is my idol that's our last massachusetts episode that was a crazy guy too was that the halloween one that was our halloween virtual live show that we yeah then recorded as an express so uh this is in

berkshire county area code 413 the motto here is uh Benigno Lumine, which is Latin for benign power. Oh. That's a motto. I don't know. Benign power. We're not going to be dicks about it. Okay. We're super strong, but we're not going to fucking force anything down anybody's throat.

We're going to be benign and nice about it. So very nice here. Also, the city website calls it the, quote, heart of the Berkshires, which I don't think so. It's a little – you go to like Great Barrington feels like the heart of the Berkshires when you drive through there. This feels like a heart with a clogged artery that something's gone wrong in a little bit. A little bit, Pittsfield. There's nice parts of it too, but it's a little dumpy also. So here's a little bit of history, an incident that's very wild here that I found out about.

This happened in 1902. On September 3rd, 1902 at 10.15 a.m., there was a two-week tour through New England for a campaigning person for president here. And this was a guy, a congressman who was campaigning with Teddy Roosevelt, who was president at the time. And they're going from downtown Pittsfield to the Pittsfield Country Club. And they collided head on with a trolley. Oh, shit. Which is tough in their mode of transport. Whatever they were driving, they hit a trolley head on.

Is that what happened to Teddy's legs? No, that's Franklin's legs. Teddy's legs. Didn't he walk with a cane though oh no he was the one with the stick right yeah that wasn't a cane no that was the you speak softly and use a big stick and i don't know if he carried an actual sticker if that's just the cartoons of him always saying yeah i think it's just a saying with him with his now in your mind when you're picturing this does he have a giant head uh yeah yeah that's gonna be the cartoons then probably big eyes and evidently my head has made him uh his words are hanging in a bubble above it probably i'm gonna say right and he walks like

a little leaned forward yeah yeah yeah i think that's maybe that so he did get shot at one point too he did yeah yeah but that was in the upper body so roosevelt and massachusetts governor winthrop murray crane secretary to all these people okay uh secretary to the president george bruce cordelou and body oh he was the roose Roosevelt secretary and the bodyguard, William Craig were thrown into the street. Wow. William Craig was killed. He's the first secret service agent killed while on a presidential protection

detail. Holy shit. Ejected. Yeah. Now Roosevelt, whose left shin and face were all hurt. He like landed on his face and hit his shin on something. He got pissed off and

went over and basically had to be separated physically from coming to blows with the trolley person uh euclid madden fucking deemed it that guy's fault yeah i'm gonna go over and kick the shit out of you madden was later charged with manslaughter and pled guilty to it and did six months in jail for it this guy here So that's pretty interesting right away. Just picture FD. Teddy was the president at the time? Yeah. The president of the United States was like,

get out of your car, motherfucker. Let's go. What's up? What's up? That's right. Yeah, look at your wife. That's right. Yeah, talk to her about it, motherfucker.

Yeah, that's this guy. He's in the street like, what's up, bitch? Get out. With a big stick. I got my stick. a motherfucker yeah that's that's this guy that's he's in the street like what's up bitch get out with a big stick well i got my stick would you think this shit was metaphorical motherfucker hell no get on out here let's go he's breaking headlights yeah standing on the hood breaking his windshield what's up screaming i want that to be how it went. Little glasses falling off, monocle popping out. Those tiny, fragile glasses. Yeah.

Another thing here, they discovered that a reference, possibly the anyone from playing baseball within 80 yards of the new meeting house in Pittsfield. Now, later on, it's credited that baseball was invented in like 1839. So this is in 1791, and they used the words baseball. Now, that might be a local game they were playing that's not like our modern game. They just happened to call baseball. We have no idea, but this is the first reference to earliest reference to baseball in the united states here which tells me the state house has had some broken windows yeah they're like listen stop hitting shit yeah there's kids out there whiffle balls have you heard of whiffle someone

invent plastic please this is holes in it make it slower someone invent plastic now i can't take it anymore so famous people from this town elizabeth banks is from here she's the oh really blonde lady who's in everything um let's see writer one of the dixie chicks is from here which one no uh emily robison i don't know which one these are dark hair chick whatever isn't there too i don't know like i said natalie manes is amazing and i don't know the other two sound like three cats fighting in a dumpster when they sing i don't know what it's all i hear it's all i can hear uh brian piccolo is from here the famous chicago bear that they made brian's song the movie about the guy who died and billy d william Williams crying by his bedside. That guy.

He's from here. Poor bastard. Herman Melville wrote Moby Dick while he was here. Okay, that's good. Just about a guy, a trolley driver, who he termed as a huge dick. And he disguised it and put some shit in there. And Robin Williams had a summer house here as well. Oh. So there are nice

parts of the place summer away from the water hmm yeah yeah but you can go toward it's a lot to out yeah i guess you could why not if you're robin williams have a summer house if you're robin williams you have a house down the cape yeah martha's vineyard you're over there yeah why are you doing over here a movie star for christ's why are you saving so much money rob bring your oscar with you they'll let you in you here? You're a movie star for Christ's sake. Why are you saving so much money, Rob? Bring your Oscar with you. They'll let you in. You're fine. So reviews of this town here.

Let's see. They really range, by the way. This goes really, it depends on your experience, I feel like. This has to be. So here's four stars. Your typical town has everything your childhood town should. I don't know. What's that?

Candy store. Ice cream shop a firehouse weirdo who who stares at the kids from a park bench that one guy who's drunk all the time wide variety of public schooling in the town all the way to high school oh they have schools in the town you can go to high school here wow you can get an education from kindergarten to 12th grade. Kids are doing reading, writing, and arithmetic in this place. My goodness. Other options in nearby cities and towns as well, most with good out-of-district transport. So you can pick whatever public school you want here.

Whatever you want. Anywhere. Four stars here. Low crime incidents. I feel safe. Okay. That's good. Feeling safe. I haven't heard of the crime, so I feel safe. Okay. That's good. Feeling safe.

I haven't heard of the crime, so I feel safe. That's what they mean. I mean, feeling safe is as good as being safe. It's the same thing, really. Some people that are not safe certainly feel safe. Yeah. Yeah. And some people that are very safe don't feel safe at all.

So it happens. Here's three stars. Pittsfield is a weird place. It starts out with, which I enjoy. It's like that weird aunt that no one wants to bring to Thanksgiving, but is still part of the Berkshire family, so you have to invite her anyways. Three stars. The weird aunt. The weird aunt.

It makes sense. I get what they're saying if you've been through there. Here's two stars. This person's a little wordy here. Okay. The police department is having to buff itself up after the recent rise in shootings. The other person said they felt safe. I've always been responsive in the first.

Oh, they've always been responsive in the first place. But the amount of crime for the amount of officers they have just seems like too much. Recently, when a gunman entered the local hospital a special unit from the entire county was called in i've never heard of such a thing needing to happen during the time that i've been alive and in this town you never needed uh you just don't know up if there's a crazy murder the county comes in to help investigate that too whoever's got better facilities will help that's how it works and And usually a town doesn't have that kind of shit. I've never heard of the police force needs to buff itself up.

Buff itself up. I assume they mean hiring more, but it sounds like they're like. Shine that badge, Johnson. There's shootings afoot. More push-ups, boys. They're shooting people. The more clean-shaven, the better we look, the less crime we're going to have, everybody. Let's do this.

Top hats for everybody. Yeah, let's get a bow tie on you. Where's your dickie? Where's your dickie? All right, I still don't blame the police for the rise in crime. They respond quickly and efficiently, and I have hardly seen accounts of brutality in the area, which is more important, I feel, than being a five-second responder. So what are you talking about is what you're saying.

So you had a mass shooting in a hospital, and the county came in to help, you know, because they probably had more better equipment and things like that. So otherwise, I don't know what you're complaining about. They had a mass shooting in, like, a fucking regular hospital? Yeah, that happens all the time. People get pissed off, like a fucking regular hospital yeah that happens all the time people get pissed off medical bills holy shit happens all the time hospitals are dangerous dangerous places um here's a two-star review all that's left in pittsfield are retail jobs for someone who will have a degree uh oh yeah for someone who will have a degree for an essentially academic job, and then in parentheses, anthropology, there is nothing here for that. What? I don't know what you're talking about.

That's why you don't have a job, because I don't understand you at all. If that's what you're – if I go to your resume and it reads like that, I'm throwing it out because I'm getting a headache. Moving on. That's the guy that got an anthropology degree. He's like, what do I do now? I don't know what to do, and you work at anthropology. That's your fucking job now. That's the guy that got an anthropology degree is like, what do I do now? I don't know what to do. And you work at anthropology. That's your fucking job now.

That's the problem. That's terrible. That's terrible. You sell high end women's clothing or Walgreens. That's it. One star. Don't listen to fake statistics. The numbers are available.

They spend money to keep up appearances, but never to improve anything. They spend money buffing up these lousy bastards. Negative influence and poor leadership don't add up to a lot of progress, but they congratulate themselves on a job well done while they benefit their friends financially. This is very specific of what they're... There's a guy that they're talking about, I have a feeling. The crime per capita is well above the state average this is not a good place to raise a family it's a good place to leave okay wow they have a good family wow yeah to leave a good family

um one star some nice bars they put bars in quotation for some reason i don't know i mean is it a bar so did they sell booze they sell booze? That's a bar. Unless they mean weed. Like so-called bars. Yeah, some nice bars, but the people that tend to go to those bars are not so nice. I mean, that's a bar.

That's a bar. You just described a bar. There's shit bags in there. Yeah. They sell booze and stay open late. We're pieces of shit. Leave us alone. That's right.

We don't need you here then. Go. No. Okay, people in this town, 43,890. Leave us alone. That's right. We don't need you here then. Go. No. Okay. People in this town, 43,890. That's big, yeah. It's kind of our top end of where we usually do. There's a few more females than males, kind of a little more out of whack than normal here.

Median age is 44 and a half. It's a little slightly above the national average, but not too much. There's less kids here. Everybody from 24 and up is older, is like a higher demographic. Less married people than normal here. A couple more divorced people than normal. And way more people are single with children here because they get divorced because their divorce rates are higher.

Got to leave the family behind. That's it. Bye, everybody. Staying in Pittsfield. Race in this town, 84.4% white, 4.4% black, 2% Asian. We have 6% Hispanic. So mixed around a little bit anyway. 100% Patriots fans. We might get a few Giants fans in there probably, Jets fans maybe. We're trying to be like, yeah, yeah. Just trying to be dicks? It's kind of real close to the New York border too, so it's kind of right there.

So religion in this town, it's about 50-50, just like the national average here. And I'll give you a guess of who's going to take this title far and away. Oh, that is Catholic as fuck. 38.3% of the people here are Catholic. Catholics are, as we know, the Baptists of the North. They're everywhere. Here we go, a couple of Methodists, a Presbyterian

or two. 2.1% Jewish. Oh my goodness! This is incredible. 2.1%. Let's do it. Havva! Nagila! Nagila! I don't know the words. Hey! All right, look at us.

Is that two weeks in a row? I think it is. It went like a year without it. Now it's two weeks in a row. I don't know what to make of it. Yeah, so in Berkshire County, Massachusetts, 70, and politically here, last election, 72.4% voted Democrat, 25.3% Republican, 2.3% Independent,

and the unemployment rate here is slightly above average because like they said, when you go around, you see a lot of things where you're like, well, that used to be jobs. That used to be jobs. That's not jobs anymore. The median household income here is less than the national average. National average 54,000 here. It's 43,489. In Massachusetts. It's also cheaper to live here because it's not that you know there's no ocean there's no ocean it's two and a half hours from boston it's you know probably three and a half hours from new york city it's there's you're not commuting it's i mean it's not a big commutable city right there's what i'm saying here so cost of living a hundred's average here it's 88 the housing's the low one median Median home cost here, 263,800 bucks.

Okay. Which is not that bad, actually, compared to the rest of the country. That's why Robin's here. Maybe. Maybe he found a real mansion. And if you're going to move to Pittsfield, you said, God damn it, I'm going to reopen that factory. We're going to make zippers and widgets and shit. We have for you the Pittsittsfield massachusetts real estate report all right your average two-bedroom rental here goes for 1480 bucks which is above the national

average so buying seems to be the the way to go here here is wow, it's a two-bedroom, no bath listed here. No bath is listed. A 1,080-square-foot trailer from 1976. Literally. It's a 1976 trailer. They didn't put bathrooms in them back then. I don't know. It has zero bathrooms listed.

Yeah, listed. So I don't know if there was a bathroom and they took it out. Or maybe if you don't have like you know a bathroom installed you can't say that you have a bathroom i don't know what it is but it's really shitty it looks like hell it has wood ceilings in the living room like it's a fucking cabin though it's a trail i would like like decorative like like decent wood that you put up like if you were like if you had a house in the woods that you were going to make and have wood on the ceiling. Yeah, it's really weird looking here. $54,000 for it, though.

Okay. That's the low price option. And here's a five-bedroom, four-bath, 4,581-square-foot house. It's pretty goddamn cool. It's a nice old house built in 1880. It's pretty goddamn cool. It's a nice old house built in 1880. It's badass. The inside, it's like these different like wallpaper. It looks like fancy but old.

You could have a really awesome haunted house here. It looks like that. It's decorated like an old time haunted house. $399,000 for that. Okay. It's a huge house too. It's nice. No kidding.

Yeah. A six bedroom, six bath T-Ball for each and every b-hole right here six thousand eight hundred forty five square feet of my god that's so much house on 20.41 acres yeah oh tell me more built in 1940 it's a big giant stone house it It's awesome looking. Fuck yeah. It looks dope. Yeah, it looks like an English manor. It's so nice.

20 fucking acres. 20, oh yeah, almost 21 here. It looks really nice. Again, probably haunted, but really nice. Out back, there's a really nice deck hot tub thing going on. Beautiful. Done in a modern way. Inside, $1,685,000 for 000 for that what but that's a mansion on 20

acres and that's incredible that's a great if you're looking for a house of a million and a half dollars or so i recommend it it's oh i wish i had a million dollars right now let's go get that so things to do here here we go the berkshire museum festival of trees okay yeah christmas trees with decorations on them it's fucking boring that's what's going on here um the berkshire craft beer festival okay yeah they said unlike some festivals the bcbf obviously that's what they call themselves a fucking acronym does not have quote per drink tickets however we are tasting we are a tasting and beer education festival we are not the place to consume mass quantities of beer we follow the same rules as your favorite pub guests receive a five ounce handled mug on entry which is yours to

keep and then you get some samples and that's it okay don't think you're coming to the beer festival to get drunk or nothing don't try to come here and get rid of your problem yes and 50 bar for that 50 bucks for that by the way holy shit the hell out of here i don't think so they also have uh and they even have something called a chug run but don't chug yeah you don't want you getting drunk or nothing they do have uh the uh fair frozen polish food you can buy, kielbasa and shit. They also have, here we go, entertainment for your listening and dancing pleasure will be provided by the Rymanowski Brothers of Albany, New York. Oh, boy. That's a polka band, I think. I'm so glad they told me where they're from.

It's not Mobile, Alabama? It's not those Rymanowskis? No, the other. Oh, you mean those Rymanowskis. Yes. Okay. From Albany. Those are the ones.

From Albany. I thought they were the ones from Caracas. That's a different ones. Okay. And then also there's the seventh annual Moby Dick read-a-thon. So you can sit and listen to people. Yeah. Five bucks it says to listen to people read Moby Dick.

So crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here, property crime, slightly above average, but not too far above average. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. Also a little bit high, but not double or not anything exorbitant like that, but a little bit high. Higher than the national average. For a small town, yeah. I mean, what's the advantage of living in a small town if there's crime there well that's why we're here we're here to you know not have that if you have it fuck it i guess just move to a city at least there's closer jobs so boston's right there

yeah uh let's talk about a murder everybody let's murder let's talk about a whole shitload of murder and a bunch of weird stuff okay let's start out with a with a guy here we'll talk about named kevin reiser i guess that's how you'd say it r-e-i-s-s-e-r reiser reiser yeah reiser reiser we'll call him reiser the reiser bro the reese the reaser what's up buddy buddy? Yeah, Kevin Reeser here. And Kevin's with an E, by the way. K-E-E-N. Yeah, that's his name. All right.

Oh, God. So back in 1997, now our murders are going to go up through 2011 here is when these happened. But we need to start back in 97 to talk about a couple of Kevin's friends here. Kevin's going to hang out with some people. He's going to go hang out in an apartment here. He knows this guy who lives at 13 Melville Street here where there's going to be an issue. Okay, so he goes to this apartment,

and he hangs out with a guy named Adam Lee Hall, who also goes by Leo Mazzoli for some reason. Yeah, I mean, you've got to really Italian this. Adam Lee Hall, which is very plain. I need everybody to know that my great-great-great-grandfather was an Itai. Leo M-A-Z-O-L-I. All right. Leo Mazzoli.

So a 97-year-old Leo here,I. All right. Leo Mazzoli. So a 97 old Leo here, Adam. He's 21 years old. And Kevin Reiser is, I think, 18 years old. And there's another guy there, Richard Stanson. He's 21 years old. Guy named Paul Glass is also on hand. He's 18 years old. And then two minors, let's throw into the situation.

Oh, boy. That is Paul's girlfriend, Amanda E. Betts, who's 14. Okay. She's going out with an 18-year-old hanging out at his apartment. Yeah. And Anthony F. Mazza, probably, here, M-A-Z-Z-A, an actual Italian guy who Mazzoli is trying to take his name here. He's very embarrassed. And he's 15 years old here.

So we got two minors. We got four adults and two minors in the mix here at this apartment hanging out. We have Paul. We have Adam slash Leo here. We have Richard. We have Dickie Stanson, Richard Stanson, Paul Glass, Amanda Betts, Anthony Matza, and then, of course, Kevin Reiser. The Reiser, man. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper.

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You remember when you were a kid remember being 18 you'd hang out with 12 people in a fucking closet if you're smoking weed or you know movies on or something you don't care but i remember i remember six people in an apartment and everybody going let's go somewhere because this is well yeah it sucks but you know you're too close we're allowed to finger each other in here though there's nowhere else where it's really that where that flies so put your feet up here and i'll put's nowhere else where it's really that where that flies. So put your feet up here and I'll put mine up there and we'll touch. That's no one's even going to care.

So I guess Reeser, he says that Hall, one of the guys here. Where'd Hall go? Where's Hall? Oh, no, not Hall. Yeah, Hall. There's another guy here named Hall. OK, he's a minor also. So you're not talking about him.

So, oh, no. Adam Lee Hall is Leo Mazzoli. Good God. How did I confuse that? So Hall, he knows Hall for a while here. It's Hall's apartment. That's where everybody's hanging out at Leo Mazzoli slash Adam Lee Hall's apartment. The fake eye tie.

The fake eye tie. So they're there and they're hanging out at the apartment and drinking vodka with iced tea chasers. Shots with iced tea chasers. Yeah, which means you're 18, and that's what you have in the house. That's all we've got. We've got vodka and Snapple. This is what we have. So it's 97 in the Northeast. It tastes like shit if you mix it.

So shots and chasers. Let's go. Vodka and Kiwi Mango Snapple. Let's get it on so they're doing that uh they're drinking for a while i guess just hanging out um and then one of them said that glass here paul glass the 18 year old wants to fight him he wants to fight you you know reaser yeah so the reaser says that he this was like what the fuck why does he want to fight you, you know, Reeser. So the Reeser says that he, this was like, what the fuck? Why does he want to fight me?

He said, I have no beef with Glass. And as far as I know, Glass has no beef with me. We've never had any words. We've never had any problems. He's just another guy hanging out in the group. So he's like, why the fuck does he want to fight me? But Glass isn't there. But he's on the way.

He's coming. And this guy's like, hey, he's coming over. He wants to fight you. So when he gets here, he's probably he's on the way he's coming and this guy's like hey he's coming over he wants to fight you so when he gets here he's probably gonna want to fight you so reaser said well you know he figured i don't know i i'm not mad at him he's not mad at me so you know fuck it i'll just hang out so he just hangs out and then glass arrives and he says i want to fight you oh unsurprisingly i want to fight you i've been warned about this and reester said all right i guess we're gonna fight then i've heard let's get it on so they begin to

fight in the apartment oh okay close in the apartment close quarters with multiple people there and furniture and i'm sure a tv and like a you know a sega genesis it's 97 they don't have a playstation yet that's just came out That's too new for this fucking group. So they what everybody says they quote sparred for 15 minutes, 15 minutes, which is that's five rounds of boxing. Yeah. Get up and move your feet and punch for three minutes. That's around. And then spend the next three minutes catching your breath.

And then you're going to be sore tomorrow because your shoulders aren't used to doing that. So it's difficult. But these two sparred and boxed for 15 minutes in an apartment living room with multiple people here. Then Reeser decided, I don't know, this is crazy. Why are we fighting for 15 minutes? I'd like to stop now. Can we have a chill on this fucking spot like what are we accomplishing here what's going on yeah so i guess there was a pause in the action where you know reaser's like can we stop now and glass stopped for a second and then

out of nowhere everyone else in the room jumps oneser and starts beating the shit out of him. Oh, what the fuck? Yeah. Hall, Stanson, the girl, everybody. They all start kicking the crap out of him. Matzah, everybody. They're all beating the shit out of this guy. Okay.

They beat him with their fists. They kick him. They get a wooden board with nails in it and they beat him with that. Jesus. they beat him with that jesus they just beat this guy unmercifully for from what i understand the beating takes place over a period of i wish i was making this up three to five hours oh boy they just beat him for three to five hours which three to five hours you're you can get bored of anything for three to five hours i don't want to i don't want to fuck for five hours. Never mind beat somebody. That seems like a lot. I mean, yeah.

It's too much. I don't know. They were just in shifts or they just kept going together? They must have been like, you'd have to quit, smoke a cigarette, talk about the Patriots game on TV for a while

and then you go, all right, I'm going to go. Yeah, who's up on the next line change? And then you got to jump in there and you start pounding them. There's no way it could be a sustained beating that everybody would be tired. Too tired, too tired.

So he tries to stand up at some point and he gets pushed back down and they beat him more. So eventually he blacks out from being beaten unmercifully for three or five hours, which seems like you'd be going, please black out. God, why won't I black out? Why does my brain not want to protect me from this horrible thing that's happening?

How in three to five hours has nobody knocked me unconscious? How weak are you, motherfuckers? Plus A's. You're not knocking them unconscious. You're just beating the piss out of them. You're just beating the piss out of them. God, I love Funny Farm. So he ends up coming to.

He survives this brutal attack. Okay. Which would have killed a lot of people. He said, quote, I saw blood everywhere. On my face, on my hands, on the walls. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Later on, he's asked, when you woke up, how did you feel?

Which is maybe the dumbest question. How dare you? How do you think I felt? You fucking idiot. Let me beat you for five hours and then ask you a dumb question, you stupid ass. How do you feel? How do you feel? He said, quote, like hell, I couldn't move. Yeah. I didn't just win the Super Bowl. hours and then ask you a dumb question you stupid ass how do you feel how do you feel he said quote

like hell i couldn't move yeah i didn't just win the super bowl why would you ask me that question that all tracks through i think right that's good so i think everybody can imagine wow how do you think i felt the next day he left the apartment with hall and Stanson and Glass. So Paul Glass and Dickie Stanson and Adam Lee Hall slash Leo fucking Mazzoli to get food. So they went and got food. They came home. They cooked a meal and they offered Reeser some of it. But he was in too much pain to eat, he said. He was, you know, beaten half to death.

Yeah. You guys remember that that happened earlier? Yeah. So this was the next day for Christ's sake. So later on they rest for a while and hang out. And somehow after that, they're just, research just leaves.

Like he just acts like everything's fine and everything's cool. And it's fine that I'm covered in blood and I'm too hurt to eat or anything, but you know, I'm not upset about it. It all good i'm gonna go on home yeah i gotta take off now i got things to do and they just let him leave so he leaves he said when he gets home he lives with his parents right when he gets home the way he described it quote my mother flipped out i'm sure at the side of him yeah imagine so, I mean, Christ, my mother would have been already stabbing people. It would have been a fucking bloodbath. So I get what you're saying.

So he is beaten. He said that he told her what happened. He said, a bunch of my friends beat the shit out of me. And then he told doctors. But he didn't tell his mom that at first. He'll tell her that later. But at first he's just going to say he'll tell her. He'll tell doctors and police that he got jumped at the Pittsfield Common while he was walking through.

Just got jumped walking through town. A bunch of guys beat the shit out of me. Doesn't say for five hours. A day later here when he's in the hospital, being treated for a punctured lung, number one, which is that's why he didn't want to eat because he can't breathe a broken arm um severe head trauma and other minor injuries as well cuts lacerations stitches i mean he's like he got thrown through a windshield and bounced off a tree is like what his injuries are they're fucking crazy so like you got beat by five people for five hours. Yeah, a person an hour.

So he said that after the beatings were over, Hall helped him clean himself up. This is what he told the cops. He said, after they were over, this Adam Lee Hall slash Leo Mazzoli helped me clean myself up, bandaged my head, and then he went with them to buy food. And Reeser said he was just glad it was over. He didn't want any trouble. He just didn't want any more trouble. He just wanted to walk away and didn't care. But he's in intensive care. He had bruises, they said, over 75% of his body.

Just one big bruise with a punctured lung and a broken arm and shit. That's fucking horrible. So once the cops find out what happened, whether he wants any trouble or not, he's been beaten so severely they're going to go over there anyway. The state wants trouble. They want some trouble. They're going to say, oh, let's fight for five hours. So the police get a search warrant and they go to the apartment. And one of the detectives said, quote, there was blood splattered.

Yeah, splattered or splattered. He said blood splattered all over the walls in the living room and other rooms. Boards with blood on them were confiscated because they were believed to be used in the beating. Oh, my God. They said they were stunned by the savage, pure savagery of the assault. They said the blood was everywhere on the walls of the apartment all over fucking everything. They said, quote, it was a vicious, vicious beating of a human being. We're lucky it wasn't a murder.

Cops who were on the scene investigated it and everything said it was the worst beating they'd ever seen in their careers that didn't result in death. Sounds like they beat him within an inch of his life. Like as close as you could actually do to that. With weapons, man.

Oh, with weapons, with boards with nails in them, with their feet. Like, that's brutal. And this is the 90s, man. These guys had – a lot of these people had Doc Martens on. You know they did. Sure, yeah. This wasn't like an ASIC wrestling shoe or something. There were some caterpillars on these motherfuckers. Something. So at that point, the cops are trying to figure out how to recommend or how to go forward here.

And they talk to the Stanson guy, Richard Stanson. And Stanson will talk. He's talking about everything. Yappy, yappy, yappy. Oh, yeah. He said, quote, I was under the influence. That's what happened here. We were just drunk.

Yeah. Yeah. He said, I drank more than a pint of vodka before the incident so i mean gross obviously you'll beat someone you're sober five hours later or at least more sober than you were so a pint of vodka jesus yeah when you measure it in in like you know fucking sales amounts like amounts that you sell rather than consume yeah that's too much yeah so he said that's what happened and the cop asked him that's the only reason and he said yeah that's it it was just that the judge they were like he was later asked was this a friend

of yours and he said yeah total yeah love love love the reaser bro the reaser's the shit man and they said has he done it did anything to you or anyone else to provoke this beating and he said quote yes he was provoking me because of the way he looked oh because of the way i looked sorry he was provoking me because of the way i looked okay he's like strawberry from up in smoke he, he was severely burned as a child Stanson. And if anybody looks at him weird, he needs to beat him for five hours. Apparently on this October 7th,

1980, his mother, Dana, Diana Sue Stanson tried to use a gasoline soaked rag to remove roofing tar from the skin of her four and and two-year-old children. Okay, I have a lot of questions. Number one, how the fuck did your two-year-old get roofing tar on it, first of all? Number two, you thought gasoline was the solution to this in 1980?

That was your idea. Yeah, she needed something with a cutting agent that would dissolve the tar. How about nail polish remover? Yeah, alcohol. Try that. cutting agent that would dissolve the tar. How about nail polish remover? Yeah. Alcohol. Try that. There's different things. Gasoline.

Those are flammable, but fucking gasoline. Not gasoline. There's never been a moment where somebody was like, everybody knows that you rub gasoline on a person for this. That irritates the fuck out of your skin, too. Oh, God. I had a Zippo open in my pocket once. When I was a teenager, I fell asleep and it open in my pocket once when i was a teenager i fell asleep and it opened in my pocket and the zippo fluid got i had a huge chemical burn on my

fucking leg for like three months it was horrible from this fucking shit i can't imagine if someone was rubbing something off rubbing gasoline into your skin that can't be good for you trying to thin out a a an oil-based... Fuck. It's a petroleum-based something. Tar. It's fucking tar. Yeah, it's crazy. So anyway, Richard was four at that point.

Mary, his little sister, was two, and they were in Middlefield at that point, Massachusetts. A spark from the hot water heater ignited the fumes, causing a flash fire... Wow. ...that destroyed the home and set the children on fire. How much gas did she pour on that? That's what I mean.

How much gas was in the air? I picture you dip a little tiny corner of a rag and you dip it in the thing and then you do a little like, you know, like you like you'd lick your finger and wipe something off. But with a gasoline and a rag and not like soak them down. Tart and feathered as a prank or something. Yeah. What happened to these kids?

So the Bay State Medical Center there, the spokesperson said that Mary suffered third degree burns over 100 percent of her body. Oh, God. And she died 15 days later. Richard suffered second and third degree burns over 85% of his body. He survived, obviously, but his arms and everything else, they say, plainly show the burns, despite extensive reconstructive surgery and everything else. So it's a lot. And I guess Stanson is Hall's stepbrother, too, by the way, which is weird. I don't know how that really I don't know if it's mother father. I don't know where the relationship comes from, but that's how they know each other.

Anyway, that's what's going on here. Wow. So they they rule that Stanson is too dangerous to release after this. They won't give him bond right away. But he's saying that he was under the influence and that's it? I was drunk and he was looking at me, looking at my burns, and I didn't like it, apparently. But they told him that Glass wanted to fight him, so why the hell are you involved? But I guess that was just a plan to lure him in

because they apparently had the signal of when Reese says we're stopping, then everybody jump him because they all did it like on on command on queue like it was a plan so also charged here are glass who is the guy who he was sparring with a 14 year old girl amanda betts the 15 year old anthony maza maza kid here and hall of course as well hall though he says i have an alibi i wasn't there for any of this. His 17-year-old girlfriend, who is 21, by the way, that's classy, here, I guess his 17-year-old girlfriend was charged with attempting to intimidate a witness at that point. First, he was using her as an alibi, and then he used her.

Her name's April Slitsker. She was using the 17-year- old girl to try to intimidate witnesses which if i want to intimidate a witness i send a 17 year old girl named april over there and they're going to be shitting themselves silly that's that's intimidation open up april's here oh shit it's april everybody run you don't hear that very often. April coming. April coming. April coming. April's going to take your shit. So there's a bail hearing, and in the bail hearing,

they describe the fight as a death match between Glass and Reeser. It's somewhere between a sparring contest and a death match because it's described alternately as those two things so i don't know which one i think it's a spar that turned into a death match maybe you could say i think it's a spar that uh he may have been embarrassed that he couldn't finish so he needed five other friends something yeah maybe that's what it is so hall's attorney asked Reeser in court if he could have chosen not to fight and if he could have left before the fight started. And Reeser said that he had not been prevented from leaving before the fight started. He didn't try, but no one said you can't go anywhere or block the door.

He could have walked out anytime he wanted. That's a wild. Yeah. You could have left anytime you want. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm young and I was having fun. I didn't know.

What are you talking about? I was halfway into a game of Madden. What the fuck are you talking about? When was the last time you hung out with friends, you fucking loser? Just leave? Yeah. Plus, I look like a pussy. Right.

Because that's how teenage boys think. Right. So they also said that Hall had left to go with April and wasn't present when Reeser was beaten with the wooden board is what they establish here. They also established that Adam Lee Hall had possibly wasn't there till the very end. And when he was just cleaning him up, but because Reeser blacked out, he couldn't put an exact time on it. So that doesn't help anybody there. But because Reeser blacked out, he couldn't put an exact time on it. So that doesn't help anybody there.

The judge, after hearings and everything, decides that she found clear and convincing evidence that no court mandated conditions on bail for Adam Lee Hall could reasonably assure Reeser's safety. So, yeah. So fake eye ties staying in. He's staying in and they're going to have the trial as soon as possible here. So what ends up happening to the youths here, the two youths. Two youths. The two youths, Amanda Betts and Anthony Matza here, they were ordered held at the Department of Youth Services Detention Center in lieu of $10,000 and $25,000 bail,

and they each face a count of kidnapping, one of assault with intent to maim. Jesus, that doesn't sound good. Not just intent to injure. Two counts of assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon and one count of assault and battery in connection with the beating of Reiser here. So, they end up, Stanson

ends up being sentenced to a, quote, you sir may fuck off, three to five year sentence in state prison. For assault, huh? Assault, yeah. People are going to be looking at your burns a lot in there. Yeah. Enjoy that.

They're going to be eyeballing the shit out of you. Yep. So that's going to be real interesting. They're going to have some wild nicknames for you in there. You don't like people fucking, you don't like people looking at you. Your nickname is going to be Burnty Ernty pretty soon, so you better. Dickie Burns a lot. so that's how that goes and glass is also serving three years at berkshire house of correction as well now the matzah kid he received a as a juvenile they tried him and he received suspended sentences and was

placed on probation for that he's 16 at point. He admitted to the facts that happened, and there you go. He's going to do that. He, I guess, pleads guilty to one count of kidnapping, one count of assault with injury to name, basically all the charges, and they just give him probation, which is very nice. Five years of probation and orders him to refrain from drugs and alcohol, undergo counseling, and go to school. five years of probation and orders him to refrain from drugs and alcohol undergo undergo counseling

and go to school you have something to school go to school you little bastard and i don't think anything happened to the girl i don't i could not find anything that happened to her she was arrested and held but i don't know what her charges were something tells me probation if everyone else got probation so anyway that's how it all works out. Hall does a couple years in the joint for this. Everybody goes away for a couple years. Reeser kind of fades into obscurity here. So fast forward 12 years to July 21, 2009. We're in our 30s.

Yeah, now we're in our 30s. Now Adam Hall, because we're going to talk a lot about him, old Leo Mazzoli here. Yeah. Adam Hall, Adam Lee Hall, at this point, he's a Hells Angel. Oh. Yeah, at this point, he's known as a Hells Angel, and that's his whole identity now. Yeah.

So he's grown up a bit. Yeah, the Massachusetts Police Lieutenant Joseph P. McDyer, who's the commander of the Drug task force, said, quote, he's a member of the Hells Angels. We've seen him wearing his gang colors riding around the county with the Hells Angels. So that's if you're riding with the Hells Angels wearing the colors, you're a Hells Angel at that point. And that's a you've been doing this a minute. Yeah, that's what I mean. You're you're in the group. You've got the vest.

You've been around the club all at least a couple of years, at few years you've been hanging around here so let's introduce some new people here let's talk about david glasser glass er not the other not to be confused with the other guy just glass this is glasser david glasser he's 44 years old at this point he's a a friend and acquaintance a guy who hall knows a a guy who Adam Lee Hall knows. And he, I guess, would perform odd jobs for Hall. He's a little bit slow, David Glasser, we'll talk about here. He would perform odd jobs in exchange for cocaine. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, which is weird to say he's a little bit slow when he's doing a lot of cocaine. So he's mentally slow, but he's doing it very quickly. Still human and capable of being addicted to something like that. Oh, absolutely. He, Glasser, would say he's mentally and physically challenged. He has diabetes also at this point. Oh, yeah. Put chemicals in there.

Yeah. When you have mental and physical challenges already and then you're also a diabetic, you really want to mix it up with some drugs and make an experiment out of it. See what happens. Do some of the hardest ones. Shake it up like a martini and see how it goes. So he said that the diabetes and the fact that he's mentally and physically challenged sometimes mimics him being drunk is what he wrote in a court document at this point. Yeah, because he was trying to I don't know what he was trying to do. He's trying to get awareness, he said, for this, because he said he'd been wrongfully fired from jobs and treated unfairly.

And other times because people thought he was drunk when he was just not drunk, but diabetic and having like a diabetic fit and also he's mentally challenged so yeah and he can't walk right so you put those all together i got a i got a friend in his 20s had a stroke he was yanked out of the car by police when he was pulled over for speed oh i bet he was drunk and he's just like all about drunk yeah sure all right just point to your head yeah i did one of those of those. He could drive, but it was not. I wasn't confident in it. I know a guy one time who I worked with him on a film and he said he was describing how he had problems and he got in an accident and he had all these health problems. We're like, well, what happened?

And he just goes like this and taps his head twice and then turns and walks away. We're like, whoa, that's some shit happened to his head. Well, he is not right, dude. That's just told us. Think about it or it's all in there. Yeah, no, no. He pointed to his head like his forehead, like my head's fucked up. And then he walked right there.

Behind here, it's madness. It's wild. You don't even want to know. So David Glasser is a handyman. And people like him. He's a nice guy. He's known as a gentle, nice guy. Likes his coke once in a while, but whatever.

So he likes loud rock music. He likes to play the drums. I don't know how good he is at them, but he likes to play the drums. Probably great. Yeah. He's got some issues. So he ends up one day going to a property on Route 143 in Peru, which is a town near there, to help Adam Lee Hall with a task. Now, the property is owned by Hall and his girlfriend, Brittany Beggs, stays there. If that doesn't sound like a porn star, I don't.

With two Gs,immy does she britney begs that's a porn name yeah with two g's come on man so good she's won so many avn britney begs that's she's the anal queen i feel like right because that's she'd have to be begging to oh my god needs a lot that britney wow so yeah either way and whatever direction it's going it's Oh, my God. I don't ease a lot, that Brittany. Wow. So, yeah, either way, in whatever direction it's going, it's... Yeah. So, Glasser, I guess, was moving equipment at Hall's request here. At that point, he's just doing his job, working, Glasser, you know, limping along. Hall comes up behind him with a wooden baseball bat and begins beating him repeatedly just going to town on on on glasser just fucking pummeling him with a baseball bat

casino style this is a man that has physical and mental disabilities absolutely okay does not need a baseball bat to knock this guy around put it that that way. Especially he's a hell's angel, for Christ's sake. You should probably be able to handle yourself to the point of this guy. But the beating was because, and this is what's disputed, either he wants something from Glasser, and he's accusing Glasser of stealing a carburetor from him from a car, which glasser says he absolutely did not do so he's saying either you give me my carburetor or you give me a thousand dollars for that carburetor okay right now as i'm beating you so he's over here doing a fucking doing manual labor for coke he doesn't have a thousand bucks to fucking throw around obviously here he can't even buy coke yeah

he can't even buy the coke he's got to move farm equipment around so he beats him and beats him with this bat beats him pretty goddamn good uh here and then hall threatens to kill him if he contacts any cops over this if you fucking tell him he for this beating you're fucking dead then he forces glasser to sign over his truck to Hall. Hall forces him after a beating, makes him sign his truck over to him. He said, well, you don't have the money, then you're giving me your truck. That feels more than $1,000, right? A little bit.

Well, I don't know if it was a good truck or not, but sends him on his way after that. Then tells Glasser, get out of here. I guess get walking because you don't have a truck here. So he showed up, Glasser does, at the Berkshire Medical Center for injuries to his arms and legs with his bat. I guess he wasn't hitting him in the head anyway, beating him over the arms and legs. So state troopers are dispatched about a possible assault, obviously. And, you know, here Glasser's taken to the police barracks for an interview where he told them what happened. And at the end of the interview, Glasser asked if the state police had a witness protection program. Oh, he's that scared.

He said he was very afraid of Hall retaliating on him for telling. He said, I didn't even steal his carburetor and he beat me with a baseball bat. So imagine if I actually did. Yeah, imagine if I actually did something to him. Holy fuck. So now probably that was just a big ruse to steal his car and sell it because he felt like stealing his car. You know, that's all it was. He's punking him.

So, wow. According to the report here, Glasser was escorted out of the barracks and told to contact police if anything further happened. Hold on. He beat you half to death. If he finishes the job, give us a call wow yeah not a lot i mean i don't know not even like well we'll take you over to the court get you an order of protection not that that would help but nothing they were just like anything happens let us know they didn't even stay here overnight him they just kicked him him out. There you go. So he came in for a follow-up

interview, Glasser does, two days later. And just before the interview, he again told police that he believed Adam Lee Hall would kill him over this. This is a killable offense. So you guys are really putting me out there. Hall ends up being taken into custody on July 23rd, 2009 in Pittsfield by members of the Berkshire County Drug Task Force. That's how they know him well, obviously. He's going to be held without bail right away. The judge is going to hold him, and he suspends his right to bail. This isn't, he doesn't hold him, you know, without bail.

He suspends his right to bail to even get a hearing about it because he's held with bail for up to three months. They say they can do this after a so-called dangerousness hearing. Oh, it's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast. Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky and part comedy.

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It's a matter of he's a menace and we can't let him out. How many victims will there be if we let him go home? Yeah, even though this is pre-conviction and everything like that. But, I mean, still, the hearing, which was held at the Central Berkshire District Court, that's what that's called, was ordered here. And Hall was arraigned on a slew of felony charges. We're talking a whole bunch of shit. So the judge remanded Hall to the Berkshire County Jail and House of Correction, where

he'll remain without the right to bail for up to 90 days. Wow. The violent offenses are armed robbery, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, witness intimidation, extortion by threat of injury, and kidnapping. Oh, and he's also charged with a single count of cocaine possession with intent to distribute, because when they picked him up, he had a bunch of coke on him as well. That feels like he's not getting out for a while.

He's pretty fucked in there. Yeah, that's drugs and violence. You just named a bunch of things that they like to keep you in jail for. So it's a mess here. So 2010, he is in more trouble hall as this goes on he's been he's being held in jail still he's being held on fifty thousand dollars bail now because he got out of jail on that last one before the trial will happen not for two years on that beating so he got out of jail they finally gave him bail then they

re-arrest him and held him on $50,000 bail. They're saying now that he's the Hells Angels, that chapter's sergeant at arms, too. Oh, he's up in the office. Yeah, they're saying he's got a title and everything. He pleads not guilty to witness intimidation and kidnapping. They say this is fucking wild. Okay. He and his cohorts tried to frame david glasser and for a crime so glasser's word wouldn't be worth shit testifying against him okay this is

elaborate it would have been less elaborate to say pick him up shoot him in the head and dump him in a fucking bay somewhere way less elaborate than what they come up with to try to fucking discredit him. Okay, this is crazy. They made it so one of Hall's women friends accuses Glasser of robbing her at gunpoint. And Glasser gets arrested and everything for this. Put up on

felony charges, held on high bail and everything, okay? Alright, Nicole Brooks is the woman's name. She is hall's girlfriend different girl i guess britney begs is out now well it's been two years didn't beg her now she's her career's kind of lagging and he's like i don't know i'm going for a fresh face here so this woman i guess hall arranged for nicole brooks to falsely accuse Glasser of kidnapping and shooting at her. He also, to provide support for the story, Hall drove with Brooks to a location in rural upstate New York, just across if you go over there.

And what he did is shot a gun three times into a tree to show that Glasser shot at her. This is the place that he shot at her. Look, there's three bullets in that tree. Okay? Then the gun that was used on the tree was supposed to be planted in Glasser's car by a guy named Scott Langdon, who was another friend of Hall here. So the police could then trace the bullet holes and you know tie it all back to this gun ballistically they tried to set him up csi style which is fucking like a for attempted

murder yeah for attempted murder robbery kidnapping you know 20 years in jail shit that right when they put you on the stand nobody really cares about you or has any sympathy for you at that point so this is wild uh hall asked langdon to offer 100 to glasser in exchange for a ride to new york which langdon did during the drive langdon planted the gun in glasser's car as well as nicole brooks's wallet he also puts that under his seat as well which is fucking that is insane so he said that when he there they everybody said to while Hall was planning the scheme, he told everybody that if this doesn't work, we have to make Glasser disappear either way. But this is this is the way we'll try. So Brooks gave a statement.

Nicole Brooks gives a statement to New York police claiming that Glasser had robbed her, shot at her, provided a description of Glasser, the license plate number of his truck, everything. By the way, he got his truck back eventually from the police made Hall give him his truck back, which I think is funny as shit. So then she identified Glasser in a photo array. This just went through the whole process. He was arrested in Pittsfield and held in custody there which is crazy but the

accomplices to frame him eventually confessed to the police that this was all part of an elaborate setup and um you know those confessions are corroborated by tons of evidence here specifically surveillance footage from grocery stores and a gas station raised suspicions about the whole thing because they saw her with Hall, not Glasser, at these different places. And he was charged with kidnapping, though, under the theory of, the theory of, oh, wow, when the defendant framed him for a crime. So they're charging Hall with kidnapping for a fake kidnapping okay yeah because because of this glasser was arrested and held for 10 days so they're saying that was because

of hall's actions that that happened so you've deprived him of his liberty that's kidnapping therefore kidnapping yeah that's kidnapping which i mean at that point the cops would be accomplices though so that's a weird way to do it. I don't know. They executed the crime. Yeah, they actually did it. But I guess whatever. So they said under a theory that defendant enticed Glasser to drive to New York under false pretenses, and that's also kidnapping, they said.

So both of those things could be considered kidnapping there. They said that the false police report could also constitute kidnapping. Any case of detention based on a false police report is kidnapping. So then after this all failed, by the way, and they let Glasser out, Hall tried to bribe Glasser at that point. Do that first. Start with bribe. Always start with money.

That's the easiest thing to do money can i give you money no okay then i have to frame you for kidnapping if that doesn't work i have to kill you if that doesn't work right what will it cost me to get rid of you yeah financially start with that right then we'll start talking about how many years i'll get for the things i'm gonna do he frames him for a kidnapping armed robbery and then goes, all right, bro, fine. How much do you want? Fuck you.

You're a dick at this point. I can't wait to testify against you. What an asshole you are, which is fucking wild. So the false pretenses theory, however, was determined to be valid and the reason for the kidnapping charge not being dismissed in its entirety here.

So he tries to get a bribe him for all of this. Glasser expressed to a friend that he was worried about testifying, saying that he wanted to hide out for a couple days and stay in the house here and there because he would be all freaked out. So he ends up, he lives with a guy, Frampton, we'll talk about him, this is not Peter, different one, in a first floor apartment in Pittsfield, and they were both clients of mental health and social services agencies. So they would go together to these appointments and do all that.

They both received federal disability assistance as well. So the trial date for the beating of Glasser, the baseball bat beating here, that's set for September 2011. Glasser is supposed to testify against adam obviously so he wants protection though glasser for yeah from the police because he's like obviously this guy will go to elaborate lengths he tried to frame me that's crazy what he did he tried to he tried to negotiate with financial gain after this shit. Yeah. He shot a gun into a tree, planted a gun, planted a wallet. He's capable of anything.

His friends all say he lived in fear through 2011 here. He's in fear the whole time. People say that he's a nervous wreck. One of his friends said he was really getting scattered and frantic in the past couple weeks. He couldn't even sit down. He'd pace. You could see the fear written across his face, and he would openly admit he was terrified. Yeah.

You didn't even have to read it. He'd tell you, I'm terrified. That's why I look like this. for protection as a witness, even though he's supposed to testify against a guy who is allegedly in a group that might take retribution for something like this. Generally known

for that, yeah. Generally known for that. So, I guess people in other countries know who the Hells Angels are, right? Yeah, there's an Australian chapter for Christ's sake. They're everywhere. I was going to say, do we need to tell English people? But probably not. They understand. It's a motorcycle gang that sells a lot of coke. They've been a motorcycle gang for a long time now.

So they said that he said they told him, basically, what do you want us to do to protect you is what the district attorney said. And the district attorney said that Glasser told him he feels safe in his apartment. I feel safe in my apartment. And the district attorney said they offered to relocate him. And he said, no, I had rather I feel safer in my apartment. OK. August 27th into August 28th, Tropical Storm Irene comes through. Yeah.

And just dumps up. This is 2011, by the way. Decimates this area. Yeah. And dumps up just a shitload of water on this area here. So it's a weak hurricane by this point. So tons of water, rain, all that kind of shit. So Glasser is at home with Edward Frampton, who's his roommate,

and they're there with Robert Chadwell as well. He's another guy, just a friend of theirs, hanging out. Frampton is 58 years old, and Chadwell's 47 years old. They're waiting out the storm, basically. They're all just kind of hunkered down for a couple days waiting this out because it was a real mess. Frampton is described as mildly mentally challenged, but he's very active and plays basketball and even competed in the Special Olympics. In his younger days. He's 58 now.

He'd be competing in a different kind of Special Olympics. A bunch of guys whose knees just hurt really bad because they're 58. And this is ridiculous that they're doing this. I could probably get in those ones.

Yeah. We might be able to pass on those. So age aside, we could get in there. So he was also an advocate for people with disabilities at this point. He would give presentations

to caregivers to help them understand how to meet the needs of people and shit like that. So he was doing a bunch of stuff. Chadwell is their good friend, and he'd been a counselor who would help adolescents who had drug and alcohol problems here.

That was his thing that he did. So all in an apartment, hunkered down, waiting for the storm to pass. Now, this happens. Then Sunday, Monday comes along. There's no response. People knock on his door.

They call. Nobody answers the door in his apartment. His truck's in the driveway, though. He's supposed to show up Monday to bring a friend to work and give him a ride, and he doesn't show up. And then that same day, Frampton misses a doctor's appointment as well. He doesn't show up for that. So it's a little weird. So finally, Robert Chadwell's brother, Les, was like,

where the fuck are these guys? My brother was supposed to be over there. No one can get a hold of them. He said he talked to his brother daily and couldn't get a hold of him for days all of a sudden. It was strange. So at the same time, Frampton's disability caseworker, a woman named Erin Forbush, went to check on him because she didn't hear from him right she found nobody

at the house glasser's truck is our truck is in the driveway the television's on and she said she went into the house walked in no one was there television was playing she found frampton's medications which he took daily sitting there and his wallet had been left on a computer stand okay so like here somewhere he's around here so yeah no no wallet no id or medication is not how people leave the house for long periods of time usually so the three of them are reported missing and they find out this and now the da hears about this and they know that glasser's been in danger for all this time so they're like let's talk to hall first probably about this

they file a missing person report and um the police then come into the apartment and they find all three of these guys cell phones there as well and frampton's Wallet as well, the TV on, and the calendar marked off daily stopped at Saturday, August 27th. That's the last day that's marked on the calendar, and it's like four days later now. So it's Monday now, so it's the 29th. So it was either the 27th or the 28th, but something bad happened. Something very bad. Who knows if they slash off in the morning or the night.

So people had different calendar habits back in the day here. So the cops are considering, they quote, are considering the possibility of foul play, they said. You think? All three of their cell phones, wallet, medication, missing appointments. Going out on a limb today. They get to walk outside during the storm and get swept away in a in a in a big wash of water like what happened here they're at a they're at a festival for uh craft beer yeah or do you think maybe it's that he's a key witness in a trial that's coming up in two weeks by the way oh it's so close it's two weeks away yeah this trial

so uh leslie chadwell like we said is the brother of robert chadwell he looks for his brother um he said that friday he was hanging out with him and he hung out drank a few beers with him and then couldn't reach him by phone sunday and then by monday they were reporting him missing um willie haywood Jr. who described himself as Chadwell's lover, his boyfriend, um, he said he last spoke with Chadwell at about 1120 p.m. that night too, just hours before no one ever heard from him again. He said, quote, he told me he loved me and he missed me and he'd see me soon. And Haywood was in New York State at the time this was going on. Another guy, Andrew Johnston, who almost Andrew Johnston, Andrew Johnston, a friend of Robert Chadwell, who everybody called Robert T. for some reason. Andrew Johnston, they all called him Robert T., which is confusing when you're hanging out with Robert C. Very confusing.

And David Glasser, he said everyone did that. They said that just before the disappearance, Glasser told him about how worried he was testifying in a trial. Johnston said, quote, he wanted to hide out for a few days and wasn't going to answer his phone. He was just going to do that. So, yeah. And for Bush, the caseworker there, she said she called Frampton or Frampton would call her every day. And then all of a sudden he doesn't call. He doesn't show up for stuff.

She said, I had nothing from Ed, no voicemail, nothing. And that's very odd. So that's when she went to the house and saw all that stuff. She said, things were out of place.

The dishes hadn't been cleaned. Frampton's wallet was still there. And as, as, as was his medications and a cushion had been knocked off the couch and left on the floor. So she also filed a missing person. So there's like eight people filing missing person reports here. So yeah, they found the cell phones. They have those. So that sucks because they can't ping now trying to find out that way. So that's kind of shitty. And, um, that's what's going on.

So the, the district attorney here said that, listen, everybody calm down. District attorney said, listen, I understand that you guys think that we don't do enough to protect witnesses. I get it. I get what you're saying. But, and that's helped by Glasser's friend, a woman named Donna Randolph, whom he calls mom, by the way. She said they never did anything to help David at all. She said that Glasser was estranged from his family at a young age and that no one in his family could be located either.

No one could find him. And she said that he kept complaining that he went to authorities and asked for protection as recently as a month ago, and they told him to give us a ring if anything happens to you she said quote he came to my house right after he'd been to the police one of those times and the officers told him that nothing could be done and to let police know if anything happened can't do anything yet because no crime has been committed no crime once he murders you let us know bring that news to us.

So the district attorney, though, he says he's never denied a, quote, reasonable request for protection of a witness. So this isn't reasonable. What deems what deems that you're testifying against a guy who's part of a fucking gang? That's just gang. Yeah. And especially this guy has shown that other people will do his bidding for him. Right. Think about it. Somebody planted a wallet and fucking pretend talk to the cops and pretended and they said the only reason they started realizing that her story was bullshit when they tried to frame him was they said she had way too much recall of things too many details

that's that's so scary yeah too many details she remembered and they said kidnapping victims don't remember license plate number how exactly this was said kidnapping victims don't remember license plate number, how exactly this was. They don't remember that. They remember these major events and the way they put a story together. If it's too detailed, it's bullshit usually. It's the way it is. So, you know, unless they have some sort of photographic weird memory, but most people don't. memory but most people don't so he said that he insists his office did everything it could to protect glasser including uh offering to relocate him twice and um but he never did he said that uh

after each of the relocations which were intended to be temporary glasser said he didn't like it and went back home he said on one occasion he said look i feel okay now and I'd like to go back to my apartment. Ultimately, it's his decision. We can't make witnesses relocate. True, but you can do more than that. You can take responsibility for what's happening and adjust accordingly. You can certainly help them still. He said it's normal for witnesses to want to stay in their homes. Yeah, people don't like to uproot their lives usually.

Of course. He said they want to control their lives. But his friends, though, Glasser's friends said he only stayed in his apartment because he literally had nowhere else to go. His one, Donna, the one he calls mom, said he wasn't there because he wanted to be. The state has a witness protection fund, which pays for lodging, living and transportation expenses. And DAs can submit petitions to fund the relocation of a key witness. They said that capeless, uh,

said his office never submitted a petition for that. So they didn't try that hard to relocate. They tried to like, why don't you move across the street or whatever, I guess. I don't know. Maybe they don't look at that house. The,

the DA capeless would not go into detail about the office's two temporary relocations either. They won't even say where they were, how far they were. He said he won't say when they took place or where he was relocated or how long he stayed. Give no details.

He said that speaking more about his steps his office took to protect Glasser could compromise the safety of other witnesses. That's what he said. In other words, it also looks terrible. So, wow. No one who knew Glasser said they heard anything about his being relocated by the district attorney's office as well. So they asked the DA about that.

And he said, people aren't supposed to know about this. That's the point. Yeah. We try to keep this secret. Donna Randolph said, it's not true. They never, never relocated David. They never did anything to help David. He would have let me know. He was like my son.

We were very close. He would have told my husband and me one way or another. The lady he calls mom, he's going to tell. Talks to her every day so they said another friend here rick reynolds along with three other friends contacted the newspaper or contacted by the newspaper said that glasser hadn't hadn't been relocated and never got the help he was asking for either um capeless said that you know it's inappropriate for me to comment any further um also randolph said that glasser's mental challenges, quote, he functioned a little bit slowly.

But she said he did understand the danger he was in. He wasn't like that because they were asking, was it because he had a decreased mental capacity? Is that the deal? He doesn't sense danger? Yeah. They said, oh, no, he knew he was in danger and he got it he's just a little slow with stuff she said oh he understood he was absolutely terrified there's no other way to put it okay so uh quote after glass is capeless the da after glasser became full further involved with his office he did not express that he felt unsafe anytime he

was staying in his apartment he remained there because he felt safe and Anytime he was staying in his apartment, he remained there because he felt safe and he wanted to be in his home. I don't know. His friend said he didn't want to testify. He said he was being pressured. I think the DA's office used that he was angry about being jumped, being beaten, and having his truck taken to get him to testify.

It hurts pride. I think police used that to say, do something about it. Absolutely they did that. They also said that Glasser might be charged with possession of cocaine if he didn't testify is what Glasser told him he was told. The D.A. says, no, no, absolutely not. That's not true. And so the friend said he just felt like he was in a no-win situation. And the DA said, listen, we need people to testify. Quote, people have to understand if they don't come forward, these kinds of people will be walking the streets. Yeah, and that's a bad man. That's a bad man. They said the district attorney's job, this is another person, the district attorney's job is not to win the trial.

It's not just to win the trial. It's to provide justice for the people of Berkshire County. Where's the justice for Mr. Glasser today? DA said, did the best I could with the information I had. That's all. Anyway, Randolph said, last time she saw Glasser,

quote, I didn't see him, but for a couple of minutes last time, he hugged me and I hugged him. He said, I love you, Ma. I told him I loved him. I miss him every day. just didn't know where the fuck he is though any of these three guys so frightening so hall is arrested but not for what you think not for you know the witness in his trial disappearing two weeks before his trial no no no possession of coke no it's better than that he's arrested on extortion and child pornography charges. Oh, sir.

Very nice. That's good. That'll go over well in prison. I'm sure the other Hells Angels will be very proud of you for that one. Extortion of who? Right now, any fucking biker people, if they're angry at us or whatever for this, tell your actually Hells Angel people, biker people don't care, but a Hells if you're angry fuck that you cut this guy off right at this right yeah right this is your fault right right we're done with him now thank you pornography that'll that'll get your bike taken away there you go so he uh i guess the charge is alleging he got someone to text him

inappropriate photos of a 16 year old girl that they knew gross which isn't making like he didn't like shoot child pornography but he was like show me that hot teenage ass when he's in his 30s which is not okay you shouldn't get arrested for that that's disgusting it's so wild that there are grown men that give a shit about that that's so gross so he was arraigned on charges here. Judge ordered him held on a million dollars bail. His attorney says that he denies all the allegations and looks forward to his trial for some vindication here. When they asked the attorney about Glasser and the other two missing men, the attorney's attorney said that, quote, I would not be surprised with the authorities to suspect Hall's involvement. But I have no reason to suspect that's true, and I don't know what to make of it. This is my trial here. I don't know.

So where the fuck are the guys here? Love to know. Okay. Well, they said it was, here's the DA quote, it's now well past a week, and other information we have indicates that this was not just a matter of them leaving for parts unknown. Foul play is what they're saying here. They said that the three men haven't made any banking or credit card transactions, haven't been in contact with their relatives, friends, anything since they vanished, and also there's no signs of a struggle at their apartment besides a misplaced cushion. So he said these guys are local people.

They hung around their apartment all the time, and there's been no indication since they went missing that they're out and about. Chadwell's brother, Les, said that he thinks it's the fucking biker guys. He's the fucking hall guy there. So he said, three people all in the same house missing. Yeah, something happened. Something tragic. We'll never hear from them again, and you can quote me on that.

That's what the brother says. My brother's dead. Finally, September 7, 2011, the bodies of Glasser, Frampton, and Chadwell are all found. This is horrible. Buried in a pit, wrapped in plastic bags, completely dismembered, hacked apart, hacked, disemboweled, absolutely... Not even one person. No, it's

a horrifying... Several... It's just a wrapped thing of parts is what it is. It's horrifying. The police believe that Glasser's the target. The other two were just at the wrong place at the wrong time, obviously. Now, who helped him with this? All right.

Loved him. Through their investigation, police find that he did not act alone. They identify accomplices, David Chalue, C-H-A-L-U-E, who was a member of the Aryan Brotherhood. Of course. who was a member of the Aryan Brotherhood. Of course. And David Casey, who's a backhoe operator from New York, upstate up there by Albany.

It was this other guy, though, that's the guy we really want to talk about here. Let's start this plot and find out what happened on August 26, 2011. So let's do that at this date and introduce not only Chaloux here, Let's do that at this date and introduce not only Chaloo here, but also a 32-year-old guy named Caius Demetius Viovis. I know I'm not saying that right, but that's fine because he made this fucking name up anyway. Yeah, that's not a real name. So we have an Aryan brotherhood, a Hell's Angel, and now we have a man that makes up a banana's name. Well, never mind makes up the banana's name.

Jimmy, please come over here for a moment, because I've never wanted to show you a picture more in my life. All right. Oh, my. He has, well, let's start out. He has a tattoo all the way across his face, number one, which is a bad decision. From ear to nose, that's wild. That's an interesting choice.

A large 666 across his forehead. That is sixes, isn't it? Yeah, underneath that, I don't know if you can see this, but that is a scar of an X like Charles Manson and the Manson girls. And then this is all just preamble because the real thing here is the fact that he has multiple horns put in his head. Three on each side of his forehead implanted in there. Right above his eyes. Horns. Those are very bizarre.

They look like they're about to pop out of his skin. Like his body is growing horns and they're about to break through his skin and come out. Like he's in mid-transformation. What they look like to me is an insect bite and there are eggs beneath his skin and come out like he's in mid transformation what they look like to me is uh an insect bite and there are eggs beneath his skin lots of thousands of eggs are under there but then on the left cheek james let's talk about that oh he's got all sorts of scars and shit going on he looks like scars and swirly motions it looks like he's had the shit cut out of him a lot this guy is a fucking disaster obviously look at i've never we've

this is the weirdest looking man we've ever had on the show yeah yeah that's an actual demon there's there's never been anything that looks like him no he's that you you have to create that and for you do surgically yeah yeah if you lots if you saw if you're done not to be too you know fucking trite with it or whatever or boring or basic with it but if you went outside and your daughter was walking onto your property with this man hand in hand you would get your biggest gun yep and tell her to run inside yeah say if i ever fucking see you again i'm gonna shoot you with a bazooka get the fuck off my property baby get inside daddy'll save you run yeah that's what he said run while i hold this man at gunpoint get the honey you have a demon yeah i'm bringing the machete outside for this one the law the jungle

master you know the one i'm talking about the big one that i have i'm bringing the jungle master out serrated side on the one yeah the saw blade what i don't i like look i understand there are the there's that this is counterculture the subculture of like making yourself a little freakish but that is that's not freakish no fucking that he's standing out on purpose this is crazy this will will say at small town murder on instagram at uh at uh it was a small town pod on facebook, so you can see this when we post it. He's doing it on purpose to look scary. Oh, he wants to look scary.

Well, he claims, this is the thing, Jimmy. When you go down these roads, he claims to be both a Satan worshiper, which you can claim to be a Satan worshiper. Maybe you are. That's great. He's got the trisixes. claim to be a satan worshiper anybody can you maybe you are that's great and also sixes well yeah the next claim though is one that you really it's not really something you can just decide on he also claims to be a vampire which i don't think you can you can't just become a vampire based on your desire right no no you got to get bitten you have to get bitten there's a whole process to it

bitten just enough to not die but just to get the vampire venom in you so that he can live forever. There's a whole science to it, let's be honest here. I don't think he's aware of this at all. And I don't see any scars on his neck, if I'm going to be honest with you. So I don't believe it for a second. Vampires, I mean, I suppose there's a breed of them with horns. But I don't know. I've never seen the six horns.

You're mixing horns. You're mixing metaphors here. You're mixing horns and vampires and hell goat people. You're mixing them all together. What we're saying is you're confused. Yeah. Are you man, Satan, goat person, or are you a vampire? What are we talking about here?

You got to pick one, bud. Either way, you know what his original name is? What his real name is? Tom Miller. Even funnier. Roy C. Gutfinski Jr. Gut Finski. Roy Gutfinski.

Roy. Would you look at that, man? I said, what's his name? Would you go, Roy? Roy. No, you wouldn't. Roy would not be your guess. Roy C. Gutfinski Jr. Wasn't us ma it was roy it was roy

he legally changed his name twins oh twins oh twin the one twin twin um he legally changed his name 2008 to to say the name artemis to caius demidius vovius it's what is c-a-i-u-s first name caius i suppose uh demidius which is d-o-m-i-t-u-s last name is v-e-i-o-v-i-s Roy Gutfinski Jr. is his name his name's Junior his name's Junior so Junior in a letter to the media here because he's going to get arrested for a bunch of stuff too he tells everyone he tries to explain his names he said his first and middle names were inspired by the Roman emperors Caligula and Nero they're not good emperor those are terrible emperors Caligula and Nero. They're not good emperors. Those are terrible emperors. The whole thing fucking fell as Nero. You want to hang out with Nero?

Also both known for their depravity and all that kind of thing. And his last name, he says, is from an ancient Etruscan demon. Which they say isn't even accurate. This is like he fucking messed something up and called himself something that is not even what it is so none of these things are real he's just a dummy he's an idiot junior roy c gutfinski gutfinski roy c but the name isn't the only thing around that time is when he got facial tattoos um the writing is a runic writing. You can tell that there's a reason for the...

I don't know what the fuck it is. It looks like Roman numerals, but it's definitely different. Yeah, it looks like letters you'd make up if you made your own font up. Yeah, it's letters that serial killers use as symbols for what words are. Basically, it's a line from a Zodiac letter. It's a Zodiac cipher on his cheek.

That's what he's got. Crazy shit. So he got facial tattoos, got those, got the number 666 in the center of his forehead. It's dead center, but framed nicely. He, quote, he also has two rows of subnormal implants in his forehead, which give the appearance of horns. He has implants in his ears to make them look pointed. It's hard to see from this angle, but he does. Implants in his ears to make him look pointed.

It gets weirder, Jimmy, somehow. I don't know how. His teeth are sharpened. Oh, yeah. Like a vampire. And his tongue is split. It is split. Of course it's split.

Of course it is. Why wouldn't he have a snake tongue? Why not? That's what I mean. That's so weird. How can I be the strangest person ever? I don't know. And wow, I don't even know what to say.

So in his booking photo, he's wearing large gauge septum piercing and two smaller bridge piercings as well. So he's got all sorts of weird shit going on in his face. His, his booking, his fucking photo is, I mean, it got around. You may have seen it on Facebook,

like when this all went down or whatever. I've never seen this shit. No. I mean, when you saw it 10 years ago, this would have been. So he also, let's talk about his history.

Cause you don't just wake up, go to school every day, go to college, you know, work for a while and then go, fuck this. I'm a vampire. Put horns in my head and split my tongue. I don't fucking care anymore. This is a these teeth. There's something deeper here. He had his first arrest was when he was 13 years old for carrying a knife. years old for carrying a knife. Then in 1999 when he was 19, he and his 16-year-old girlfriend Wow.

This is... Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. Okay. Let's slow down for a second because this is bonkers. He and his 16-year-old girlfriend were convicted in Maine for assaulting a 16-year-old girl. A different one. What did they do?

They lured her into a motel room. Oh, my God. Where his girlfriend slashed the girl. You don't know. That's what I mean. You don't know. You think this guy's just going to bring them in and they're going to force sex on her? No, no, no.

Oh, no. This isn't a rape situation. They lure her in, slash her back with a razor blade. Then they laid on top of her and kissed as they licked up her blood. Good lord. Licked her blood off her back and tongued each other with the blood and did all that shit. Made out over her blood. I guess that's just assault assault but it feels like it should

be way worse way more if someone's getting a sexual charge off drinking your blood that's a special charge i feel like right that's a special crime that should be rape right it's definitely adjacent it's rape adjacent for sure that's for sure feels like if somebody comes that's full-on i'm sorry if what either one of those people comes during this i want charges for rape on this this is crazy so anytime someone comes without your permission while they're touching you i feel like that should be a crime right especially if your blood's out like yeah bloodletting and calm yeah that's worse than assault The bloodletting to make you cum? That's even weirder. Right. This shit is... Oh, my God.

I almost wish she was just raped in that room. This is going to really fuck that girl up. Fuck, man. This is insane. So she needed 32 stitches to close up the wound. Oh, God. It's so deep. Pretty good-sized wound there.

He ends up waiving a jury trial in 2000. The prosecutor portrays him as a member of, because at this point he's young, as a member of the, quote, Goths. He's a Goth. Oh, boy, not the Goths. But you have to remember, this is the time they were calling the Columbine kids Goths. Remember that? Yeah. Which they weren't either. They weren't. They were calling the Columbine kids gots. Remember that? Which they weren't either.

They weren't. They were calling the Columbine kids gots, and that was the year before this. So by 2000, every kid who did anything who looked weird was a goth and ready to shoot up a high school, and that's how they used to do it. Pale skin and dark hair was a goth. This guy, they would have obviously been right to do whatever with him. But instead, Jesus Christ, this is crazy. But they tried to explain in court that he wore dark clothing and practiced self-mutilation and was into, quote, some blood licking or blood drinking. Blood licking? Some blood licking.

I've never. OK, no. If any form of blood in your mouth is blood drinking i'm sorry licking it it'll drop in your tongue no there's no blood licking that's not a not a word um wow they said quote roy gutfinski jr perceived himself as i love that so much that his name is Gutfinski. What a fucking dork. You fucking dork. Hey, Gutfinski. You fucking dork.

You fucking dork. Gutfinski Jr. They called him Little Roy around the house. Think about that. Yeah, they sure did. It's Big Roy and Little Roy. Hey, Little Roy, you going with Big Roy over to the store? No, Mom.

Oh, my God. That's amazing to me. That's how you create an adult with shit in their forehead and a split tongue. Come here, little Roy. And at some point, Roy Sr. proudly took his boy places and said, Here's Roy Jr. Named him after myself. He he's gonna do big things as roy cut to 15 years later when he has shit implanted in his forehead and a split tongue and jerks off

with a mouthful of somebody else's blood yeah while licking another girl so he said that he perceived himself as and claimed to be a sataniper, claimed to police that he was a vampire and drank blood. He told the cops that. That's normal. And his own blood, as well as other persons, quote, as often as possible, is what he said. So they get him in there for this weird crime. And he doesn't say, I don't know. I saw it on TV or I saw it in a movie or I had a weird thought.

And he doesn't say, I don't know, I saw it on TV or I saw it in a movie or I had a weird thought. He says, yeah, stupid, I'm a vampire and I'd have to fucking drink people's blood all the time. What do you expect, dummy? That's what he says. Look at me. Wow. I guess witnesses described his apartment as dark and dungeon-like with darkened windows. Bones scattered about. Okay. Whose bones?

What bones? It was almost your house. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Definitely. It was getting close here. Dungeon-like, darkened windows. Bones scattered about.

I don't know where you get bones from. Where do you get them? Why are they scattered about? You don't even have a place where you put them? You just trip over them? That's where the bones go over there. No, under the VCR. It's 1999 or whatever.

Under the VCR, put the bones. That's where I like to keep it. Next to my copy of Home Alone. Put the bones there. Yeah, it's my favorite movie. Got a fucking problem with that? That kid's got this fuck. He's hardcore, man.

Fucking kidding me shit so uh they said bone scattered about pictures of bodies on the walls dead bodies and i don't understand razor blades throughout the apartment just everywhere lots of razors when they when they searched his apartment, they found a library book on human anatomy under a fish tank. Uh, the fish tank had a, had a snake in it. And, uh, next to this was an ax,

uh, near a wooden chair. So it wouldn't share an ax next to it. And a weird anatomy book that he stole from a library fucking five years ago under a terrarium under obviously his fish tank, which clearly has a snake in it. You, this guy has a snake. Thereium under obviously his fish tank which clearly has a snake in it this guy has a snake there's no fish involved in this guy's life because the snake that's how he started probably he went out of places with the snake and he was like yeah people

are freaked out by this shit well like a couple people were like oh cool can i hold it and he was like yeah shit fuck now what what do i do hmm And then he started, 666 on my forehead. That'll get people to fucking look away, right? No. Carrying a serpent around. Shit. I'm going to just. One day you get a snake and then your teeth are sharpened and your tongue is slit.

And your tongue is slit and you have horns implanted in your fucking head. And pointy ears. The other thing, was he going to get bigger horns at some point yeah at some point those gotta come through like an elk right that's what i mean they have to grow so at some point do you just like throughout throughout your time eventually have a full rack you connect like you're like a 12 pointer i think at one point right that's what i do go the fucking whole nine or is it like a like a rat like a goat horn i think because it's supposed to be like a curl yeah i think it's like

a satanic goat horn thing is what he's probably going for but he's gonna have like three on each side which is gonna be crazy later on or is that the three points of one horn that's gonna come through this is so confusing why does he have to confuse us like this? Why does he have to be such a conundrum, this guy? What a weirdo. What an enigma. I mean, enema. I mean, an enema, for sure. There's definitely poop flowing

through, coming out from this. He sucks. They said the cutting victim met Gutfinski and his girlfriend. Yeah. He's going to be Gutfinski. Met old Junior or Roy or Gutfinski downtown two days before the incident occurred. So they hung out, which is interesting. Neither Gutfinski's girlfriend nor the victim wanted Gutfinski prosecuted.

Oh. The girl didn't want him prosecuted for this. The girl that got slashed? She didn'tfinski prosecuted. Oh. The girl didn't want him prosecuted for this. The girl that got slashed? She didn't want him prosecuted. I think he's got some weird vampire harem thing going on, probably. Yeah, or she's fucking petrified of this man. For good reason, probably. Yeah, yeah.

So she and the girlfriend, you have no choice. You're in on it. You cut the fucking girl and then made out with him over the blood. You're deeper in this than he is. Of course you don't want him prosecuted because then you are. This is crazy. So he does not testify in his own defense. He gets convicted here.

And while he's awaiting sentencing, old Gutfinski takes a razor to his arms while in jail. And this isn't, we've heard a few attempts where they try to use the prison issue razor, and it never goes very well. It doesn't get very deep, and, you know, it's just like a whatever. It's just a mess and superficial. He got a hold of a razor razor because he needed 200 stitches to close the wounds. Dude, that's bicep to wrist, right? 200 stitches.

That's bonkers. Holy. I don't know if he just cut it up in different ways, wrote his name in it. That's elbow to wrist. If it's just one slash. Yeah, I don't know. It may be several. He might have wrote some weird ruined fucking symbol in his arm.

Who the hell knows what he's doing? He may have written adonis such a modest yeah cryptoponus whatever his face look at his face i mean he may have written a fucking spell in his arm yeah yeah i think he i think he wrote his name definitely which is a spell probably so 200 stitches uh he had a series of mental evaluations over the years yeah and um he is sentenced on july 3rd 2000 in the cutting incident of the 16 year old girl to you sir may fuck off 10 years in prison that's pretty good yeah with all but three years suspended though is what they end up doing okay and four years probation so he's in for three so he's out in a year and a half or two

years and then four years probation. Yeah, the probation. So he served the initial term of incarceration, is let out, then is returned to prison, as they say, several times for violating probation. Because look at this fucking guy. Obviously, you think this guy's going to listen? They put him in. They let him out. They put him in.

They let him out. They keep over and over for four years doing it um some of the incidents involve getting charged with criminal conduct in new bedford massachusetts all sorts of shit so he's finally yeah it's he's hanging he's finally released from probation on um let's see uh from the main state prison he was serving time in maine when some of this stuff happened. April 27th, 2010 and discharged from probation, July 8th, 2010.

So he basically did all this probation time in jail. So that's not great. Then he had, um, this was, he had changed his name while in prison. Sure. To all that shit.

Then when he gets out, that's when he starts getting shit put in his head and surgical things and teeth sharpening and tongue splitting what doctor does tongue splitting i mean i i don't know i don't think it's a doctor do you know like is there a place at the mall that does that does it does the piercing pagoda do this what's happening right now you wander into claire's gonna say yeah here you go i'm gonna get my left uh pierce just a regular no right in the middle of the lobe and then just split my tongue if you could thanks but there's a giant like artery in there like you gotta be careful splitting your tongue yeah you can only go back so far at but you can you

can wiggle each side independently it's so weird fucking weird man you can wrap it around things it's a sex thing i don't i think it's just a a freak thing but but you gotta get somebody to have sex with you first with that weird tongue to be able to use it that's the problem yeah i don't know if it's just a if it's just to fucking scare people when you whip that thing out when you whip that excuse me while i whip this out so it's very straight but you'd be like like i know i'm scary i know you have no interest in me but i will make you come so hard as a really weird pitch to somebody you know yeah for i mean for a guy i get i i think i get it for for that but yeah some sort of oral sex thing but for a

i don't understand it for like a i don't think that's gonna work for a chick right like to i don't know right i guess you could tickle each ball independently i suppose you could do i don't know there's really i'd rather you just have a normal tongue and let's yeah yeah do whatever i don't really need that um the other part is like how does this shit that all of that looks really expensive yeah that's how do you have the money to get that's what i was wondering all your teeth sharpened that's gonna be costly that's not covered by dental insurance if you god no if royce if he's still on roy senior's plan i'm not sure i don't think united concordia is covering

i think they're covering that at all. And the fucking horn implants, too. That's crazy. Maybe he got Claire's to split his tongue. I don't think Claire's is putting marbles beneath the skin. They're not doing dentistry and fucking forehead implants. You've got to go to a sterile environment for that, and I don't see that happening. And implants in his ears to be pointed. Right, the elfin ears.

Which you'll just look like Spock at that point, don't you isn't that silly or an elf point right the elf thing is the idea behind it but it's like were you a vampire or fucking elf what are you right which are i guess vampires have pointy ears too because they they turn into bats right count chocula does on the box yes he does yeah he does count chocula certainly does on the box i don't know but spock has ruined pointy ears for anything yeah oh it's all spock yeah pointy ears if you got pointy ears oh you're a vulcan i got it so yeah you're doing star trek shit right now right so he this is amazing he changed his name finally to that crazy vovs fucking right caius dominious devil Vesuvius bullshit here. He thinks he's Italian too.

All these people. This is because he had tried and failed to change his name before. To what? When he lived in Maine, he tried to get a judge to approve his name change to Diszade. D-I-S-Z-A-D-E. Diszade, whatever the fuck, Diszade Trash Horror. Trash Horror. Diszade, middle name Trash, last name Horror. I think I like that one better.

At least Trash is in it. At least I know what Tr and horror are it makes sense and the judge said no i'm not fucking letting you which i don't get it if he wants to be called disade trash horror let him who gives a fuck i don't know but he said when and the sheet he had to like write his whole reasons for everything he said quote i want to shred all ties with the christian church and one important step toward that goal is legally changing my name. So in a successful one, he had to say why he didn't want to be Roy C. Gutfinski Jr. Well, I mean, it's pretty obvious.

He said, quote, and this is, I know you'll perk right up to this. said, quote, and this is, I know you'll perk right up to this, adopted as a child, I have no blood relation with, nor do I share the nationality my given name implies. I don't want to be a Polack, is what he just said. Yeah. Or, even worse, in his mind, Jewish. Jewish. Which can also be Ski, and Russian, too, but there's a lot of Russian Jewish names that are ski and a lot of that. The top two there are two that generally have some dislike towards them.

Two that guys in Hell's Angel chapters make jokes about. You betcha. There's how many Jews does it take and how many Polacks does it take jokes, I'm sure, flying around there. So he said, yeah, nor do I share the nationality my given name implies it has long been a burden for me and I feel the new name I have carefully the new name I have carefully and which much with much thought chose more justly represents my individuality and nationality he has no idea what nationality is. Trash horror?

Trash horror. No, this is when he changes it to the other one. Oh, to Mount Vesuvius. To Mount Vesuvius. To Caius Mount Vesuvius Dominatrix. Caius Dominatrix Mount Vesuvius, I believe is his name. That's his name, right? I wish he would have changed it.

That Dazade one made me think of Darude Sandstorm. That would have been a good one. That would have been a good one. I kept thinking Dasani. Dasani Trash Horror is all I could think of with Dasani. That water is trash horror. It's trash water. It's a trash horror.

It all tastes like plastic. He should have named himself Dasani Trash Water. This judge would have approved it. Judge would have said, normally I wouldn't approve it, but when the truth is before me, I'm a judge. This courtroom, it's about truth and justice. You've nailed it, my friend. Dasani Trash Horror. Go forth in peace, my friend.

Enjoy your day. Trashwater. Yeah. Enjoy. So, yeah, he said that this one he chose more justly represents my individuality and nationality. This name is also in keeping with my religious beliefs, which are Egyptian demons and Italian emperors. Right. Makes sense.

Okay. So when he's in 2006, he's on parole still, obviously, because he didn't get off parole until 2010. But this is one of his stints out of jail here. He's charged with kidnapping. Who did he kidnap? Two strippers from a club. Oh, I've always wanted to do that.

I've always wanted to take. I'll take both of them. He didn't even pick out one he liked the best. He said, I want both of y'all. Let's go. He thinks it's a store. I'll take two. I'll take two.

No. Caius dominatrix. You came alone. You leave alone. Wow. He held them against their will in a hotel room. Wow. I don't know if he had no word on whether he cut them and licked their blood and jerked off to it so the charges are later dropped because they don't want to testify against him because he's terrifying yeah they're scared i assume but he was sent back to prison because

you can't get arrested for kidnapping two strippers while you're on probation whether yeah whether it comes out in the in the wash or not you still have to not get arrested for that sort of shit so okay now now that we know who's involved in this fucking madness yeah so we got adam lee hall leo mazzoli slash crazy hell's angel guy who lures people and you know has things planted in people's cars and big elaborate plans and beats people for hours and all this type of shit. We got him, and then we have the fucking spawn of the devil here also. So we have Ghost Boy. And the Aryan Brotherhood guy?

Is the Aryan Brotherhood guy with him too? Chompatoe or whatever his name is? Yeah, he's there too. Okay. So add these three in the mix. This is quite the trio. Wow. These are the three that are going to take care of.

That's a triad of trash horror, James. Trash horror, yeah. This is one where you just hope as they're driving down the street there's some sort of gas leak in their tank and their car just explodes. It goes off a mountain like in a 70s movie and crumbles and explodes and it hits the bottom. I want an explosion because nothing else is going to kill these three. Or the Indiana Jones rock just rolls down over the road. Whoops-a-daisy. And then they explode. I want an explosion because nothing else is going to kill these three. Or the Indiana Jones rock just rolls down over the road. Whoops-a-daisy. And then they explode.

I want an explosion. Fire is the only thing that kills them. That's what I'm saying. I need an explosion. I need the impact of the pain and then the burning afterwards too. I need it all to happen. There needs to be a crater at the end with their body parts strewn about still on fire. I need someone to ask them if they've ever wanted to go see the Titanic at the bottom of the body parts strewn about still on fire i need someone to ask

them if they've ever wanted to go see the titanic at the bottom of the sea that's what i'd like free passes in this miller light can get in let's get in come on guys so let's talk about the murder details here okay hall here alex or adam lee hall leo mazzoli he picked up his friend caitlin carmen in a tan buick okay with him at the time were shalu the aryan brotherhood guy and fucking dominatrix vesuvius dominatrix vesuvius Von fucking Gutfensky Jr. Trashwater. While driving, Hall spoke about Glasser and said, quote, I ought to kill that motherfucker for ruining my life. Now, your life has been mad fucked up for a long time.

You didn't even know Glasser when the first thing happened, when they beat beat up reser and everything else so let's be realistic here chief you need you you gotta really look at the calendar to look at what day did he said that with nude teenage pictures on his phone the fuck out of here ruining my life so chaloo and dominatrix vesuvius trash water said that uh quote don't respond to saying don't worry about it quote we'll get him well the two of us the two of us so i guess hall event eventually drove caitlin carmen shaloo and vesuvius dominatrix trash horror to the uh hell's angels clubhouse in lee okay if there's anybody that you would expect to be in that clubhouse yeah that's them this is the this is the squad here i don't know why this why this woman wants to be a part of this but she's in here too so at the clubhouse carmen the one guy um here or

carmen the woman caitlin carmen she drove an all-terrain vehicle around the property yeah just having tearing it up they do yeah just jumps on an atv and rips just running around at the clubhouse with shaloo and dominatrix Vesuvius Trash Horror. So he shouted out, Adam Hall shouted out to Carmen, hey, please be careful. I need those two to do a job for me, and I can't. Don't let them get hurt. I'm putting them up to a capital murder, so we need to make sure they're healthy.

So my starting QBb rothlisberger get off that fucking motorcycle and that young lady so this is fucking crazy don't don't hurt them so the next day is saturday august 27th you know during the the rainstorm and all that shaloo and was dominatrix vesuvius go to a hell's angels party in springfield okay so that with hall hall takes them there that evening the three of them went to the clubhouse again where they meet up with two other women allison scassi and uh that's very close to Skanky. It is Skanky. Yeah. And Kayla Sewell. Sewell. Sewell.

It's probably Sewell. Sewell. Kayla Sewell. So Allison Skanky and Kayla Sewell. I don't know. They're hanging out at the Hells Angels Clubhouse riding ATVs around waiting for fucking dominatrix Vesuvius Trashwater to come pick them up. I'm sorry at this point.

You know what these people are like. You can already. You know what they are? You picture them. You smell what that them you smell what that place oh yeah it smells like they itch yeah they they are itching usually yeah crotch head things like that just just itching their arm all day so they then proceed to go where should we all go who's got the coolest let's go to fucking dominatrix vesuvius's apartment yeah because he's got bones everywhere that sounds fun so they all go now hall drives separately to the apartment in his buick uh which is very hell's angel cool it's the most fucking rock and roll car very rock and roll car. Very rock and roll car. Got me a century. What's up? So before he went to the apartment, he stopped off, Hall did, at Stephen Hinman's home in Lenox. At Hinman's home, Hall showed Hinman several firearms that he had with him, including a.45 pistol and also a vest that he had as well.

He had this all in a dog food bag, by the way. He carries all his shit, illegal things in a big dog food bag. Also a.44 caliber Magnum revolver and a sawed-off M16. Really? I had never heard of that before, but sure, why not? It's got to fit in the dog food bag. I should have got the 50-pounder, not the fucking 20-pounder. I'm a cheap asshole.

This is what I get. Take the barrel off it. It'll fit. Yep, take the barrel. That's what I get. I tell myself, oh, now I had to make an extra trip to the pet store to get more dog food earlier, and my M16 doesn't fit. This is such a drag

so when he can make it a pistol wow yeah so when he when he arrives at dominatrix vesuvius's apartment he pulls the firearms out of the dog food bag and asks dominatrix vesuvius where do you keep your cleaner and gloves yeah so vesuvius points to a cabinet, and then Hall goes over, and he and Shalhoub proceed to disassemble and clean all the fucking guns. Take them all apart and clean them. Get all the fingerprints off them. Well, no, they don't need to get them off them yet. They're cleaning them for use at this point now.

Oh, they're not going to do this? Getting them all good and ready. Clean guns with clean hands? Okay. They just want them to shoot straight. That's it. Yeah. Got to make sure they're operational here.

Jesus Christ. Reliable weapons. Yeah. God, know your business. You know what I mean? Know what you do and do it right. Do it well. Yeah.

So that same night, Chadwell, Glasser's neighbor from down the street, he ended up, that was the night he went over to sit with Glasser and Frampton and they stayed in that evening and all that sort of thing. to sit with Glasser and Frampton, and they stayed in that evening and all that sort of thing. They were last heard from. An upstairs neighbor asked Glasser to move his truck sometime after 10 p.m. and then saw them outside doing that.

That's the last time they were seen, and they were last heard from at about 11.20 p.m. that night. Shortly after midnight, though, the upstairs neighbor, Glasser's upstairs neighbor, heard banging downstairs on Glasser's front door like somebody was knocking. So I guess this was Hall. Hall, I guess, will tell a woman named Karen Sutton later on that when they opened the door, one of them was fixing a computer, and the other was playing a video game when he arrived. He arrived with Shalhoub and Vesuvius in tow, by the way.

That's who you want to see at the door. My God. You open the door, and those three are at the door. What the fuck? It's a horror movie. That guy and those people standing behind him. Jesus Christ. And he later on, Hall will tell his friend that the man who was fixing the computer, quote, picked a bad night to work on the computer. He's just collateral damage.

Oh, no. Because they were planning on killing Glasser and his roommate because they live there. But then this other guy just happened to be hanging out over there that night. That's the only reason why he had to get it, too. over there that night. That's the only reason why he had to get it too. So I guess 1.30 a.m. Sunday morning, Hall was driven to a residence in Pittsfield where he met with another woman, I believe here. Yeah, he met with another woman. He asked to use a cell phone and then he left with it. He later returned the cell phone to Dawson, that's her name, Dawson, and instructed her to delete the calls he placed on it and not tell anyone that he ever took it.

I don't know how to do it. You do it. Please delete your call log and don't tell anyone that I took it. That's not suspicious. That's not suspicious at all. So during Saturday night into Sunday morning, obviously the heavy rain is coming. 530 Sunday morning, obviously the heavy rain is coming. 5.30 Sunday morning, Hall is seen at a convenience store in Pittsfield buying three candy bars, black and mild cigars, and Marlboro cigarettes with wet cash.

Oh. Wet cash. Now, the store clerk noticed that his boots and jeans were soaking wet and that he had mud on his shirt. He got out and left the store in his Buick. Now, he doesn't smoke, Hall, but Vesuvius smokes Black and Milds, and Chaloux smokes Marlboro cigarettes. So, yeah, he stopped off over there. Jesus, this is such a fucking mess. Shortly after that, he returned to the Sutton residence where he parked his Buick.

Vesuvius followed behind him in a Jeep. Of course, he's in a Jeep with his weird head sticking out so everybody can see it. No top. No top. Again, to you, it's just open. It's got to be open, even though it's pouring rain. Yeah. That makes him even weirder.

So, yeah. Smoking a black, James. Smoking a black and mild. Yeah. He's just not even rolling it and making a blunt out of it. Just smoking it straight. That's a fascinating person. A whole box of them.

Yeah. A very strange man he is. So Hall gets into his Jeep and they leave in the Jeep, okay? 9.30 a.m. this Hall returns to this Sutton residence in the Jeep with fucking dominatrix Vesuvius and Shalhoub. At that point, Hall asked this Dawson woman and her friend Alexandra Eli. There's so many people involved in this that it's ridiculous. It's crazy how just out there these people just live their lives. That's what I'm saying.

So she I guess she was there and also dating him. So from what I understand, that's his I'm saying. So she, I guess, she was there and also dating him. So from what I understand, that's his girlfriend's house. And his girlfriend's friend is also there who he's also dating. Okay. Okay. Wow. He asked, I guess she was staying there. They went to go buy breakfast.

Breakfast food. He said, will you girls go out and do me a favor? Go get some breakfast food and bleach also. Pick up some ham and eggs and some Clorox. Here's some cash to do that. The Dawson described the cash as, quote, wet and nasty when he handed it to her. He instructed the women to, quote, not touch a bag that's in the Buick and to wash their hands after

handling the money that he gave them. Yeah, and by the way, don't tell anyone to use your phone. So, the women drove off in the Buick to get food. They ended up meeting up with Shalu and Mount Vesuvius here back at the hall house to eat breakfast.

They came back with the food. They returned in the Buick to the Sutton residence after that. Then Hall, Shalhoub, and dominatrix Vesuvius went behind them. They went to the Sutton residence in the Jeep, and then they took the Buick with them. Okay. The three guys leave in the Buick. 2 p.m. that day, Hall went to the home of David Casey in Cannon, New York, which is

to C-A-N-A-N. I know exactly where that is. Oh, yeah. It's close to the border. It's just off the Taconic. So he asked Casey if he knew a place where he could park a car he was having trouble with. Yeah.

I don't know. A parking lot? A garage? A driveway? A driveway. Your backyard. I don't know. A parking lot? A garage? Your driveway? Your driveway. Your backyard? I don't know. A supermarket?

Pretty much anywhere. A junkyard. Your yard? Your backyard? Your friend's yard? I don't fucking know. So he said that Casey made a call and found a place for him to park the car. Then Hall tells Casey that,

I killed Glasser and two other guys he said the other guys were quote a fat guy and a black guy okay those are the two other guys so one fat one black he tells casey that he went to kill glasser at first his gun misfired and he had to rechamber another round of ammo to to kill him we just cleaned these god damn it fuck man this is this is why i said to clean them i guess somebody didn't do a good enough job i don't know maybe we cleaned them too good and didn't oil them well enough god damn it we took all the oil off so while he's trying to rechamber because it's stuck in there and shit he's trying to rechamber another round. Glasser takes off running into the woods. They had taken these guys

from the apartment and drug them out to the woods. Wow. So then someone else, one of the two guys, ran after Glasser and shot him but didn't kill him. Just brought him back to Hall and said, here he is. So then Hall told this Casey guy that Glasser

begged not to be killed, saying he wouldn't testify. I won't. I promise. I won't testify. Hall told Glasser that, I warned you what would happen if you said you'd testify against me. And then he told Casey that after he shot Glasser, he stabbed the other guy, and that after all three men were dead, he, quote, chopped them all off, chopped them all up, cut their heads off, arms off, legs off, and gutted them.

Jesus. Oh, my God. After one body, and then you did it two more times? Just butchered them all. Butchered them out like that and gutted them. This is like enjoying. I feel like Vesuvius was enjoying this. For sure. This would take so. I feel like Vesuvius was enjoying this. For sure.

This would take so much time. Oh, yeah. Well, he told Casey that it was pouring rain the whole time, too. And he said, I enjoyed working in the rain. Oh, my God. Working in the rain. This is not your job. He then asked Casey, can I use your excavator to dig a hole to bury these people?

Which, if someone tells you that story, the answer is absolutely. you can borrow whatever you need to right now whatever makes you leave faster here you go sir yeah that's great if you're willing to gut people so he told casey that if if you help me then you know i won't hurt you or your girlfriend or your sister or anybody like that you know you guys are all safer so don't worry about it just help me out please tell me no more details fuck yeah just please i'll help you do whatever just shut up please so that evening hall brought his buick which contained the dismembered remains of the victims to an acquaintance of casey to their property in beckett uh hall told the property owner he was having mechanical problems and would remove the car by the next day. Then the next day, I guess after that, Hall returns to the Hells Angels clubhouse where he spends the evening with Shalhoub and fucking Vesuvius here.

So on Monday morning, he and Shalhoub without Vesuvius return to Beckett to retrieve the Buick. Casey, the digger guy, meets them there. He introduces Shalhoub to Casey, saying that Shalhoub is a member of the Aryan Brotherhood. And in order to get in, you have to murder someone. That's his introduction. Hi, this is my friend. He's a member of the Aryan Brotherhood. And you got to kill someone to be a member of them guys.

You know what I mean, buddy? Yeah, that's right. All you got to say is this is my friend who's a member of the aryan brotherhood and you got to kill someone to be a member of them guys you know what i mean buddy yeah that's right i mean all you got to say is this is my friend who's in the ab and i i know enough i get it that i don't want to be around either of you well that's a prison gang so i know where that's where you got that so yeah most feared uh because they are horrific human beings fuck man so so he then opened the trunk of the Buick and commented that, quote, they're starting to smell, Hall said. Man. He later drove the Buick to the property where Casey kept the excavator. there where the car was. Casey used the excavator to dig a large hole and then Hall opened the trunk and dropped a number of plastic garbage bags

containing the remains of the victims into the hole. Holy shit. On Monday afternoon, Shalhoub and Hall brought the Buick to a salvage yard in Massachusetts and sold it for scrap. The interior carpets were wet.

The back seat was mostly missing. The carpet had been removed from the trunk, and much of the car was stripped down to bare metal. Yeah. Yeah. The same afternoon, Hall told two friends that Glasser and his two friends that were missing were, quote, probably dead.

Probably. I would assume so, since I took them apart and cut them into a dozen pieces each. I've seen it. Unless, I mean, since I took them apart and cut them into a dozen pieces each. I've seen it. Unless, I mean, unless they can breathe without their lungs. Oh, that's wild. Monday evening now, later on in the day, Hall and Chaloux were at the Hells Angels clubhouse. They're both drinking and joking.

At one point, Hall pretended to run away from Chaloux, yelling, quote, help me, help me, while the other guy pretended to point a gun and shoot at him. Like, oh, nope, I'm going to shoot you instead. They were reenacting it. What the fuck, man? Then Hall laughed and said, you should have seen the look on his face. You should have seen him run and try to get away, laughing his ass off, like belly laughing,

they said. Then Hall and Chaloo talked about Butch or Butcher when they were joking. He refers to dominatrix Vesuvius as Butch or Butcher because he's the guy who likes to cut people up. And he said that this is from this crazy fuck. Hall's a crazy fuck. This is from this crazy fuck. Hall's a crazy fuck. He said Vesuvius is crazy and, quote, a sadistic psycho and a real sick guy.

He's saying this about somebody else. Well, yeah. I mean, his face looks like it. He must have rubbed some blood on him. He was enjoying it probably. Yeah. He was loving it. Oh, look at these guts. He's probably holding up intestines.

He's fucking crazy, this guy. Yeah, he was loving it. Oh, look at these guts. He's probably holding up intestines. He's fucking crazy, this guy. So Sunday, September 4th, Hall, Shalhoub, and Vesuvius went back to the salvage yard where they left the Buick to see whether the Buick had been crushed. On Friday, September 9th, and Saturday, September 10th, the police dug up the plastic bags with the victims' remains in it.

That's when they found them. How would they find them? Buried in an upstate New York woodland? Well, Casey went and told on everybody. The backhoe guy. Yeah, he's like, I'm not going down for this shit. Fuck that. Yep, the victims had been shot, stabbed, their neck, arms, and legs dismembered. Two of the bodies had been cut through the torso.

Arms and legs dismembered. Two of the bodies have been cut through the torso. Most of the dismemberment took place with chopping or hacking with a sharp instrument such as a butcher's knife. Yeah. Not slicing. Right. Hacking. Who likes to do that?

Throwing it. God damn it. So the police search Vesuvius' apartment. They find a machete, a cleaver, hatchets, knives, all weapons that could have easily done this deed here, which, I mean, I have all those weapons, too. I haven't cut anybody up, but still, I don't have horns in my forehead. You don't have a lot of this stuff in your orbit. And a split tongue. They also found two spiked baseball bats, a collage of anatomical illustrations that depicted dismemberment similar to that inflicted on the victims he made a collage about it isn't that nice that's so sweet he made an art project

that he went to he went to second grade after the summer and they said make a collage of what you did over the summer and he put together this he had a nice uh a nice sunday free and he went to as you wish and painted a little pot it's very nice he's gonna get a decoupage kit next it's gonna be very nice a lodge good stuff so jesus casey flips tells the cops everything everything yeah yeah he said this is what hall told me he said when he went to shoot glasser he was holding glasser's head with a gun pointed to it. He pulled the trigger, but the gun didn't fire. That's when he took off into the woods.

He said the other guy, though, was on Glasser real quick and shot Glasser but didn't kill him. Brought him back to Hall here. They think that is Shalhoub was the guy who was after him real quick. He yelled at the man who caught and shot Glasser, saying, hey, he was for me. Mad at him for shooting him. He said, oh, don't worry, he ain't dead. When Glasser was brought back to him, he was holding him, and Glasser was begging for his life, saying he wouldn't testify.

He shot him, saying all the stuff we said already. He said after he killed Glasser, they were cutting up the bodies. After they cut Glasser's head off, he was holding up the head in his hands and saying how ugly he was with no teeth look how ugly he is with no teeth look at him oh my okay one of the guys they said and this is what hall told him one of the guys dominatrix vesuvius really enjoyed torturing and cutting them up the other two because they could do whatever they wanted with them so they really enjoyed torturing and cutting them up the other two because they could do whatever they wanted with them so they really enjoyed torturing them um yeah so that's how that went holy shit now um they said that the the one boyfriend is scott lang or the one of casey's friends

his sister's boyfriend is scott langdon langdon participated with hall in the scheme to remember his name to frame glass yeah he was that guy so that's how these people all connect okay um that's wild so on monday august 29th he met with hall and chalut at another guy's house uh in beckett hall drove his car with the bags containing the remains to Daniel Cole, another guy's property, where Casey was doing work and using the excavator. Casey dug the hole about four feet deep, three feet wide, eight feet long. He said there was a ledge on the bottom prevented him from going down any further, I guess. Hard, yeah. Hall said that he loaded the bags into the excavator in case he dumped him

into the hole and that's how that went so covered it up with dirt and rocks boom now hall's legal strategy here what do you what do you do blame the guy with the horns is what i do you see that guy he did everything and i couldn't stop him look at this fucking guy i'm blaming horn guy for all every last bit of it fucking guy look at his face i'll blame him for shit i did when i was nine it's horn guy i don't care so it's believable his legal strategy is to completely blow his defense's legal strategy before the trial even starts that's his strategy what is it his strategy is before the trial starts to say publicly say stupid shit that hurts his legal case and also undermines what his lawyers are doing why only an idiot does this obviously let the lawyer handle it so adam i

guess lee hall met twice with police at his request yeah while this is like he's being held i'd like to talk to the cops please yes his lawyer said, do not talk to anybody or tell them shit. I got this. Look, come here. And he did this in an attempt to exonerate himself. What did he say? I didn't do it. I was trying to give excuses.

During this, he accidentally revealed his attorney's defense strategy and fucked the whole thing up. August 9th and August 13th of the next year. Obviously, he met with Massachusetts police investigators without his attorney's knowledge. These are interviews which are videotaped and lasted more than six hours. Wow. During the interview, my God, he's an idiot, Hall discloses that the defense's trial strategy, what that was, and tells police that he doesn't trust his lawyer.

So these actions have prompted a superior court judge to let his lawyer withdraw from the case. Uh-huh. has caused Rota considerable frustration and has prevented the lawyer from being able to convey certain basic concepts to him. He said Hall has, quote, totally disregarded Rota's advice on fundamental issues and spoken at length without representation with the Commonwealth, the party that is seeking to convict him of unspeakable crimes. Is the judge saying this? Are you a fucking moron? So he's got a new attorney coming at some point. The judge wrote that Hall apparently believed that by presenting the Berkshire District Attorney's Office

with his defense, he would be able to clear himself of the murders before trial. Okay. Wow. Rhoda warned Hall that if he revealed their strategy before trial, prosecutors would then have time to neutralize it.

Yeah. Yeah. The judge also viewed the videotapes, addressed Hall's allegations that Rhoda had breached the attorney-client relationship and was trying to, quote, sandbag me. He's trying to sandbag me. That's a very vague. Yeah.

Sandbag is one of the more vague terms that you can get. Carpet bagging. He's sandbagging me. Oh, okay. So he said that the notion of, this is the judge writing, that the notion of Rhoda the lawyer seeking to sell out Hall for, quote, no apparent reason appears astonishing. Like, he's a fucking idiot. So the judge called Rhoda an experienced attorney of 26 years that has represented others in murder trials. He also wrote that Rhoda is regarded as

one of the best criminal defense counsels in Western Massachusetts. So in this decision, he allows Rhoda to step aside. And that was that. So when questioned, Hall, when questioned by the judge during a hearing, admitted that Rhoda was quote responsive to his concerns attentive to the cases and well prepared so i hate him obviously he's too good at this fuck the judge wrote whether these allegations are real delusional or an orchestrated effort to derail the trial schedule is secondary to their effect on the relationship between attorney and client. So Hall at one point here also met with the FBI behind his lawyer's back in an attempt to resolve an earlier case as well. Before that meeting, Rhoda had told him, do not talk to them.

And he said, oh, I'll do it. I'll talk to them, all right. Oh, you better watch me. Wow. So Rhoda told a New England newspaper, quote, I was reluctant to ask the court to allow me to withdraw, but I believe that it is within Mr. Hall's best interest that he have new counsel. I wish him the best of luck. I will coordinate with his new attorney to transfer the file and assist in the transition in any way I can. As long as I don't have to deal with this fucking guy.

I hate that motherfucker. Have you talked to this guy? For five fucking minutes? So, Rhoda is the fourth attorney to pull out of this case between the other, between Shalhoub and him, and Vesuvius is the only

defendant who had the same attorney the whole time since being charged so far. Loves him. Loves him. He just doesn't care. So, I guess they said that this has happened all the time he reached out to the fbi in september reached out to the fbi do you know why no because i'm thinking he doesn't have a case with the fbi that was a state case the first case is a state case they're all state cases you know what the fbi does though they do a lot of RICO work in organized groups. He was going to the FBI offering to become an informant on the Hells Angels for some help here.

Uh-oh. That's what he was doing. Oh, that A.V. boy. No, thanks. We got plenty. That A.V. fella is going to be furious. So, again, nude, underage people on his phone, and this. So nobody get mad at us, please.

Thank you very much. He's a coward. He's a piece of garbage and shit, and you're lucky to get rid of him if you're mad at us. There you go. 2014, the trial, they find out in pretrial, the jurors will be allowed to hear about the Hells Angels. That was a big point of contention. Can we say Hells Angels or not? So during the three days of jury selection, they've got 10 women and seven men,

five alternates are on this whole thing. They're chosen to hear the case. It's kidnapping and murder, obviously, multiple counts of it. They said the process has been slow because many potential jurors, A, balked at the length of the trial. They said it's going to be four to six weeks. I got my kid's birthday's coming up. I got a lot of things to do.

I got a thing at work and I got a vacation going. And others specifically saying they couldn't be fair jurors after being told they might hear evidence concerning Hall's affiliation with the Hells Angels. They say, yeah, that'll definitely make me think he's guiltier, the fact that he's a fucking Hells Angel. Yeah, just makes it more believable, you know, because he had to be a certain level of scumbag to get in there to begin with like a certain level of criminal you know right i i know i i mean i've known a lot of them and uh there are very good dudes that are a part of that they are certainly overshadowed

yeah there's not yeah it's hard to say you know because if you kind of are who you hang with at some point yeah at some point you're the other thing you are with the company that you keep but uh the all for one one for all thing that means that you're gonna have to do things that you're not okay with so you gotta agree with everything yeah yeah likely done some bad stuff to yeah to be a part of it but you have to. Yeah, you do. So, yeah, the all-on-one thing is not great if you're a guy who's like, hey, guys, look, I just like the atmosphere in the clubhouse. I just like camaraderie and riding motorcycles together.

You know how it is. I don't want to punch that woman. You don't want to punch her. It's just when I'm working on my pistons or something, I need a guy's advice on what the timing should be. I ask this guy, and, you know, he knows. he knows these guys are motorcycles it's really hard to bleed the brakes by yourself i need somebody to to pull the obviously this is what it is man hold the bike up i'm adjusting the clutch oh god so they said the jurors are a diverse group as far as what they do there's an office manager medical medical technician, this one, that one. So a bunch of different people. The judge rules that jurors will be allowed to hear evidence that he was a Hells Angel and all of that. The judge ruled that the prosecution can tell the jury that he's a member of the Hells Angels.

A member of the Hells Angels, his lawyer, Hall's lawyer, said it would be prejudicial to his client. And the district attorney said it's essential to the client to this whole thing. He said, quote, it's the persona he wants to project to others. That's what the DA said. Yeah, that's a good point. He said he's used his affiliation with the club to intimidate people. Yep. That's what he likes to do.

So the prosecutor did say it's not a Hells Angels case. It's a rico case or against the club it's against one specific guy but it would be impossible to avoid mentioning uh not to avoid mentioning the organization his lawyer here hall's lawyer wanted any references to the hell's angels to be replaced by the phrase motorcycle club okay yeah which sounds way that's the difference between claudius dominatrix vasuvius and roy fucking gut finkson gut finsky fucking junior those are very different things motorcycle club is definitely roy gut finsky junior just because it has an mc on the on the vest the words hell's angels are much bigger than MC in the corner. Totally.

That's just small. Yeah. So, man. So during this, the opening here, they talk about, this is the district attorney says, these men were tortured, stabbed, shot. He says he can prove that Adam Lee Hall did it with the help of two others. He said, we will prove beyond a reasonable doubt each and every one of the charges. The DA describes in detail various wounds on the body of Glasser, Frampton, and Shadwell.

He also describes how Hall made Glasser watch his two friends suffer before killing him. Wow. We'll watch you kill your friends first, then we're going to torture you and kill you. Hall was telling him, quote, I told you what happened if you witnessed against me is what they're saying they're saying that you know he was going to testify the opening is given the whole overview according to the da hall later bragged to others about what he had done laughing about glass or pleading for his life describing how it had been difficult to dismember frampton's body and 10 uh telling of picking up Glasser's severed

head and commenting that he was ugly. His attorney said, none of this is true. This is madness. He said, horn guy is what he should go for everything. Horn guy. Horn guy. Hey, horn guy. For real.

Like, that should be his answer to everything. Horn guy. Smile for them, would you? Smile. Horn guy. Horn guy? Hey, horn guy. For real. Like, that should be his answer to everything. Horn guy. Smile for them, would you? Smile. Come on. His attorney says, quote, there's no physical evidence linking Mr. Hall to any of these crimes. This is ridiculous. Okay.

For you to even bring this up. He said no DNA, no fingerprint evidence that connects him to these incidents. Nothing. He said not the 2009 alleged beating of Glasser with a baseball bat, the faked armed robbery. None of that means this. It's all separate there. He told the jury that many of the witnesses were themselves facing charges related to Hall or unrelated crimes and said they were testifying in the hopes of reduced sentences. So you can't trust any of them, obviously.

He then told the jury at the end of his opening statement, quote, you will find Mr. Hall not guilty of all the charges against him. That's his closer. That's his mic drop. That's some kind of Jedi mind trick he just tried to pull. Is it that or does that feel like a threat, man? You will find him not guilty. Not, you know, you not guilty not you know you should

or you know i think that you're gonna find this he said you will find him not guilty oh my so people come forward here jealous lovers here this i love this this is from a newspaper jealous lovers a two-foot section of a tree and a man who once lived in a tent in the defendant's cellar, all figured prominently during testimony Wednesday in the kidnapping and murder trial of Adam Lee Hall. This is a circus. These two women, Nicole Brooks and Alexandra Eli, are the two girlfriends that were hanging out together. They admitted to helping him fake an armed robbery in 2010 in upstate New York. They were on the stand prosecutors alleged

that hall faked the crime in order to frame glasser to discredit him as a witness of course at the time hall was seeing both women according to testimony yeah brooks and eli both 24 which a lot younger than him too told the jury of being in a dating relationship with Hall in August 2010 when he entangled them in his plan to get back at Glasser. Brooks said, I was under the impression we were dating. He had told her that Eli was his former girlfriend. Quote, she was supposedly his ex-girlfriend, but I believe they were still dating, is what Brooks said from the stand. Eli, who's the mother of one of Hall's children, he has children, not child.

Multiples are running around out there. Oh, that is terrifying. No offense to the kids. They might be nice kids, but if this is the mother and this is the father, I don't know what the fuck is going on with these kids. Somebody, I don't know. the father yeah i don't know what the fuck is going on with these kids somebody i don't know so uh said that she had been quote uh had in had been in an on again off again relationship with hall but at that time she was dating him she learned about brooks when she found out that hall had driven with her to his cousin's wedding in indiana using eli's car took her car picked up

his other girlfriend and went to a wedding in Indiana. I got a date. Can I take your car? Wow. Eli said she found a wedding card from Hall and Brooks in her vehicle. They wrote a card and then forgot to bring it in. And then they didn't give it to him. They didn't bring it in.

That's amazing. The first time she met Brooks face-to-face was at the Hall's Peru residence in mid-August 2010. This was also the day that Hall allegedly pulled out a 22 long barreled revolver and told the women he planned to use it to frame Glasser here. Hall then set his plan in motion with the help of Eli Brooks and that Scott Langdon guy. And Langdon and Glasser once roomed in the same boarding house for two years. Langdon later lived in the basement of Hall's home. So that's how he connects to the two. On Wednesday of the trial

Langdon told the jury that in July 2010 he was asked by Hall to offer Glasser $3,000 not to testify. And he said that he turned it down. Oh. The next month, August 14, 2010, Langdon, under Hall's direction, convinced Glasser to give him a ride to Wells. Once he got there, he placed the bag with a gun in Brooks' wallet in Glasser's truck.

And Langdon said he had no idea what was in the bag and only did it because, quote, he didn't want to get beat with a baseball bat again. So apparently that baseball bat is what Hall does. Yeah. Because Langdon's been beat with the baseball bat too before. So Brooks previously testified at Hall's behest that she lied to the New York State police telling them that she had been robbed at gunpoint, had $800 taken from her, and had a pistol shot at her while she fled. This trooper who initially interviewed Brooks about that robbery said it seemed like a tall

tale because she knew so many details. Like I said before, she had a good description of her attacker, license plate number, knew the exact tree in the woods where the bullet had gone. Oh, that's handy. Yeah. Typically, they said, police, we don't get that much identifying information that year, so that's not normal. We had a couple of red flags there. The tree in question was presented to the jury by the district attorney.

In this case, two foot section had a bullet hole in it and was cut from a 20 foot high tree. According to Brooks, here Nicole Brooks, the scheme unraveled after police found a receipt from Pittsfield in her wallet dated the same day as the alleged robbery and were able to piece together that she knew Hall because the two were friends on a social networking site. Fucking Facebook. Right, of course. They got on Facebook and said, oh, you two know each other. The guy, you motherfucker. Eli said she initially lied to the police and denied Hall's involvement because she was scared upset and quote a lot of emotions wrapped in one jesus i was ovulating come on man that's holy shit it's just i was so emotional that day you're in court man i needed ice cream

bridget jones yeah that's that seems like the most stereotypical. Like, it's like, don't do that. So she said after being arrested for the charges, Eli told police that Brooks was behind the whole scheme. Not even Hall. They said, well, why did you lie to the police and tell them that? And she said, I was jealous. If I can get the other girl sent to jail, then he's all mine. these people are the most selfish awful people all of them he's got one that's

emotional another one that's jealous jealous emotional fuck me he's a murderer this is awful so all three witnesses under cross-examination said they were hoping for leniency on their charges in exchange for testimony they all denied that they'd been promised anything in exchange for their cooperation brooks said she had resolved her charges in new york which included making a false statement to police and did not receive any jail time her charges in massachusetts are still open and have been continued so to make sure she testifies that's the game we all know it When asked if she hoped to get the least amount of jail time in this case, she said anybody would. The most is going to be a lot, so I'd rather have the least. I'm hoping for a lot of jail time.

I've got a lot to catch up on. I've got a reading to catch up on. I've got a lot of stuff I've got to really. She said, I take responsibility for my actions. I'll take whatever comes. So, yeah, I guess during the meeting with police, she was confronted by evidence. They knew it didn't happen. And she asked what she would get if she cooperated on the other case.

She said, I have to worry about me. That's what I'm doing, and told her she knew how the criminal justice system worked for those who cooperated. So she said, well, I'm worried about me. This is what I'm doing. So February 10, 2014, the jury deliberates for about 17 hours over four days for Hall. Why does it take that long? I guess because no physical evidence they wanted physical evidence but the verdict comes in and he is found guilty oh fuck yeah three counts of

murder in the first degree three counts of kidnapping and three counts of intimidation of a witness or other person everything yeah also found guilty on a charge of intimidation of a witness or other person related to uh an incident a 24-year-old woman in Pittsfield. Just a totally separate incident in 2012. And single counts of kidnapping, possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, and a count of conspiracy in the intimidation of a witness or other persons in connection with the plot to kidnap or intimidate Glasser in 2010. in connection with the plot to kidnap or intimidate Lasser in 2010. He was found not guilty on one intimidation charge out of this whole lot of 40 charges.

The jury found him guilty on single counts of armed robbery, assault, battery, by means of a dangerous weapon, an account of intimidation, of a witness, or other person from another incident. These are a bunch of things all put into one. However, July 21st, 2009, he was found not guilty of kidnapping and extortion by threat of injury for the original beating on Glazer. Uh-huh.

Of the whole, you know, with the bat and everything. So, sentencing comes around. Adam Lee Hall, a.k.a. Leo Mazzoli, you, sir, may fuck off consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole three bang bang bang no parole never getting out unless you live four lifetimes you're never getting out of here you're fucked crazy yep they told him him to be served at the Massachusetts Correctional Institution at Cedar Junction. The judge here also ordered Hall to serve several consecutive sentences on and after the final life sentence against Chadwell, beginning with a 12 to 15 year state prison sentence on the count of armed robbery against Glasser,

an eight to 10 year state prison sentence on kidnapping charge against Glasser, an eight to 10 years state prison sentence on kidnapping charge against Glasser, and then a sentence of five to seven yards, years, yards on the charge. Might as well at this point. Who cares? On the charge of possessing a firearm during the commission of a felony. Some new measurements in there. Who gives a shit? That's it. So three consecutive life withouts and then a bunch of others banged on to the end of

that. 80 extra years. Yeah. Yeah. The reactions here. Chadwell's sister said, quote, that's the one guy that killed. I'm glad. Just glad this is over.

It's been a long, long, long two years. Hall's defense attorney said there was no physical evidence and it's ridiculous. Did you hear how long he got? He got a long time. I don't think they needed it. I think they were convinced that the district attorney said there was an excellent amount of work put in by a great number of people who did an excellent job they were tireless tireless into trying to determine not just whether or not adam hall did it and also to determine if it was possible that anyone else had done it i think the public needs to understand this was an incredibly thorough investigation yeah they found everything out so shaloo is convicted and sentenced to you

sir may fuck off life without parole as well uh-huh yeah bye-bye arian brotherhood you'll fit in really well just fine yeah you'll do just fine now is the cassius dominatrix Vesuvius trial here. Oh, boy. He pleads not guilty on all counts, saying there was no physical evidence linking him to the victims or the crimes. None of the weapons used has ever been found. None of the ones in his apartment match up. He's out of his fucking mind. This is crazy. Yeah.

All the witnesses for the prosecution had testified were not present during the incriminating events. They just heard about it from Hall. Vesuvius' current girlfriend gave him an alibi for the night of the murders. And unlike Hall and Shalhoub, Vesuvius doesn't belong to the Aryan Brotherhood or the Hells Angels. He doesn't even have a motorcycle. He just has that face. He's got, I don't, you can ride in there on five motorcycles. It's not nearly as much of a spectacle as if you walk in with horns on your head in a split tongue that's

fucking insane the prosecution though uh produced testimony that hall considered vesuvius a prospect for the hells angels at the time okay all we gotta do is get you a bike you gotta get you a bike though the witnesses however, state that the three were seen together the night before the murders. Also evidence of blood in his car, although it couldn't be proven to be any of the victims. He had blood in the car. But this guy, I feel like there's blood everywhere with this guy. He licks it. He licks it.

He drinks it. Other evidence introduced in the trial included knives, machetes, diagrams of human dissections found in his apartment. And the evidence, they claimed that he really enjoyed torturing them and cutting them up from what the other guy says. Next up, Rose Dawson, who is Titanic. Yeah. Later on, Rose Dawson here. She testified that when she got to Adam Lee Hall's house in the middle of the morning,

August 28, 2011, Vesuvius was asleep in a recliner in the living room. David Shalhoub was asleep on a bed. And Adam Lee Hall was in the kitchen talking on a cell phone. They said the three men, between two and five, together kidnapped, murdered, dismembered everybody there. So that's how that happened. They said the only name he thinks Hall said when describing they, meaning killed the men as Davey. That's what she remembers. Now, Davey is Casey. No, Davey's the other guy. Okay. So Berkshire District Attorney Capless again puts on the screen a picture of Vesuvius showing how he looked in 2011 when he

was arrested. And Dawson said that he had seen or she had seen Vesuvius with Hall the prior weekend when they were killed. Hall borrowed Dawson's phone at 130 that day. That's the one that she said, don't tell anybody. And she said, quote, I'm not stupid. I know what that means. Yeah, it's dumb. So the verdict comes in. They deliberate for 37 hours over six days.

This jury. You don't have any physical evidence but you have his physical fucking face you have all yeah that's i'm not one to judge people based on appearance tattoos shit like that i don't care horns in your head split tongue pointy shit ears fuck off teeth come on what benefit of the doubt is gone eat dicks sorry you've got rumors and and attached to guys that actually were convicted of this? Bones around your apartment? Fuck out of here.

Dude, come on. You've got books about mutilation the same way these guys were mutilated. Fuck, man. You did it. Anyway, the jury comes back six days, 37 hours. They find him guilty. Oh, God. Jesus Christ.

Guilty. When they read their verdict in the court, you vesuvius we think he does thank you for your service for your public service on the jury i appreciate it nope he screams i'll see you all in hell no you won't then he continues remember that every fucking one of you i'll see you all in hell as he's dragged from the courtroom. Wow. That's pre-sentencing. Dude, that implies that you're going to hell, man. No, he knows it.

Yeah, yeah. I'll see you in hell. So he has given you, be horned weirdo, a fuck off mandatory life sentence with no chance of parole yeah after a sentencing he continued to proclaim his innocence and he said quote let me make this clear my hand wasn't in this that's right he appealed his case to the supreme state supreme court in 2017 conviction was upheld and he is serving his sentence at north central correctional institution in gardner 2020 hall appeals as well oh um yes they said there were several errors um they they miscounted they gave me a lot more time than i thought it seemed like i didn't think it was going to be this bad here um capeless the da had retired since, came out of retirement to make sure.

No, no, no. Get the fuck out of here. He Jordaned him so Malone wouldn't get a ring. I need to talk about this. I guess to his accusations of prosecutorial misconduct and mistakes. And Kaplis said they're accusations alone. He's coming back for it. Kaplis said he was committed to seeing all three cases through to the end to see that justice is served.

I feel an obligation to the memory of the victims and to their families. He said, noting that the work done on the appellate case by the other district attorney was a guy who worked with me anyway. But now I need to be involved in this. And his appeal is denied. Yeah. Get fucked, mister. So they're all away at this point forever.

How the fuck? This was in 2010? How the fuck was this not national goddamn news? The biggest crazy story. That's what I'm saying. This is the craziest shit I've ever, you saw this guy. It's fucking insane. It's nuts, yeah.

When we saw this, I'm like, how did we not cover this yet? This is bonkers, man. Holy shit. When you affect your appearance that fucking, I don't know, to that extent, you are telling everybody I'm out of my mind. You're definitely not going to be judged at just the content of your character at that point. Never. Never again. Never again.

And you've chosen that. That's fine. And you've affected portions of your face and your being that cannot be fixed. Oh, yeah. It's all fucked up. He's all fucked up. His teeth are jacked now at this point. His whole face is all fucked up.

Everything's all fucked up. He's got pointy ears and shit. Oh, what a fucking disaster. So anyway, if you like that show or any other show or just want to say nice things about us because you're so wonderful and you want to be cool people you want to help the show in a very quick easy free way you can do that whatever app you're listening on give us five stars if it's possible to review and

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And I think it's a time to let's – Jimmy, tell me the name of the people who are so wonderful and would never, ever, ever put horns in their head and then have us murdered and butchered and cut up into little pieces and buried by an excavator in a fucking field somewhere. Jimmy, hit me with those names right now. This week's executive producers are Jeanette Bell and the Delta Survivor Club. She was on the plane with us from Salt Lake to Denver. Thank you. Good to meet you.

Terrific to meet you and your family. Sat on a hot tarmac. A lot of fun. It'll bond you. Good to meet you. Terrific to meet you and your family. Sat on a hot tarmac. A lot of fun. It'll bond you. Talena Jensen, who hung out with my family in Denver. That was very nice of you to say. At the Brutal Poodle, she said. She hung out at the Brutal Poodle, and she said some very nice things about my family.

That was very sweet of you. Thank you, Talena. Also, Father Biff, thank you very much for being a part of this, Father Biff. Thank you. Whatever that means a part of this father biff oh thank you whatever that means i need a father i picture him with a flat top and a blonde flat top and a collar and very large very large man oh obviously yeah other producers this week are corporal carl kirshner liz vasquez peyton meadows, Exotic Adrian Street, and Miss Linda? Yeah, it's a wrestler.

He was a very flamboyant, I'm a lady character, but he was a badass. And a donation on behalf of the GoFundMe account to get Jimmy a genuine, authentic Australian Shepherd hat. I kind of want to see one of those. Small Town murder turkeys cindy wilkins see you in chicago cindy uh see you there turkeys janice hill james are you really scared to fly fuck yes we're both afraid it's it's absurd there's neither of us are it's dumb uh we have to do it is the thing. Evan Pease, or Peace maybe. Kirstie Brozvic. Flatjord. Flatjord?

Wow. It's Flatjord. That is some Northern. I don't know. It's very whatever. You're Northern up there. You go in hot tubs when it's freezing out. Right.

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I like that one. I like that one a lot. Jimmy Hustle. You're too white to have a stage name like that, though. I want Jimmy Hustle and Wu Chang shirts every day. They call you up and people go, that's not what I expected at all. Who's that guy?

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