Small Town Murder - #415 - Dirty Desires, Killer Consequences - Columbia, Illinois

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

This week, in Columbia, Illinois, the perfect couple have the perfect family. In the perfect house. In the perfect town. They even have perfect jobs. But things get very imperfect when a sudden affair changes all future plans, and eventually leads to a terrible scene, complete with carnage, and terrible, and taunting messages spray painted in red on the walls of this formerly perfect home!!Along the way, we find out that a city wide yard sale may be just too much junk, you have to get divorced from your first spouse before you marry another, and that some people appear to just be heartless, murderous liars!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Small Town Murder. Yay! Ah, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us. All you turkeys out there gobbling up to the podcast. I don't know what you'd call it.

The podcast trough. We appreciate it. Is that what turkeys eat out of? I don't know. I have tons of turkeys on my property and I don't know what they do. They just walk around and run for my dogs. I don't know. Peck your car.

And peck my car and make me go out there and argue with them. There's footage of me arguing with a turkey as it pecks my dogs. I don't know. Peck your car. Peck my car and make me go out there and argue with them. There's footage of me arguing with a turkey as it pecks my car. It's incredible. So thank you all for joining us today. We have a wild story for you as always. This is a pretty crazy story, so we'll get into it rather quickly. But first, you definitely want to head over to shutupandgivememurder.com.

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So we'll do all of that. That said, disclaimer time. Yeah. It's a comedy show. We're comedians. We're going to make jokes. People are going to die, and it's going to be terrible, obviously, and we're going to make jokes also.

See, the thing is, we know how to navigate that. We do our best to do. What we go out of our way not to do is we never make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why is that james because we're assholes yeah but we're not scumbags and that's how that goes so do you think that sounds good and uh everything's fine like that we're gonna have a good time if you think true crime and comedy should never ever go together and how could you make a show like this

maybe we're not for you maybe we are give. Give a listen. No complaining afterwards, though. There it is. I think it's time, everybody, to sit back. What do you say here? Let's all clear the lungs. Who wants to do it? Let's hands to the sky and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy.

What do you say? Yeah. Let's go on a trip here. yeah we're going to columbia illinois and we did this episode in chicago as our live show and we're gonna do it here and i'm sure i don't even know if you remember most of this probably not there was a we had some some stuff flowing that day it was a we passed joints around. There was joints. There was several margaritas, I believe, and some beer. And we had a lot going on back there.

Seven margarita lunch. Well, when you ask for a shot of tequila and the venue brings you a bottle, you're asking for trouble. You're asking for us not to remember a lot. So that's what's going on here. Sat down and had tacos. And the man gave me three free margaritas. I said, oh, this is delicious. Oh, yeah, try this.

Oh, yeah, try this. What are you doing, Christian? Jesus, I have to talk in front of people tonight. So this is in southwestern Illinois, like extreme southwestern Illinois. It's a suburb of St. Louis. It's 20 minutes outside of St. Louis. In Illinois. In Illinois, though, yeah, because St. Louis is right on the border. It's four hours and

35 minutes up to Chicago, and about three hours and 45 minutes up to Kankakee, which is the last Illinois episode we did, The Man in the Box. Remember that with all the tubing and the PVC pipe and the air? That was a crazy episode. If you didn't hear that, go back and listen to that, because wow,

was that wild. This is in Monroe County. They buried him. Yeah, buried him and said, you have enough air for this much time and called his family and said he's got this much time didn't have that at all no that was wild uh area code 618 the motto here which this sounds like a threat it doesn't sound like a motto or anything like that or a slogan quote good for business business, good for life. That sounds like a threat from a mobster, doesn't it? That sounds like, Hey,

Hey, listen to me, pal. 500 every week. It's good for business. It's good for life. All right. We'll be back every Friday.

Have my money. That's what it is. Your business won't burn down. We won't kill you. That's what that means. Keep breathing. That's what it is. Good for breathing. That's what it is. Good for business.

It's good for life. Okay. History of this town. Should end with you know what we mean. You know what I'm talking about, right? You get it. No, it should end with your life. Good for business.

Good for your legs not being broken. Okay. Moving on. Good for your kneeca moving on good for your kneecaps good for walking all right let's go yeah every friday have an envelope it's the history of this town incorporated in 1859 as a small farming settlement but it had been occupied by various native americans for 12 000 years there's been people around here. 12,000. That's a lot. 12,000.

Yeah, that's a lot because the Mississippi River, it's off there. So anything by the river, it's fertile, and you're going to end up with people. We're only 2,000 post-zero. Yeah, this is 12,000. 10,000 before that. Long time. Wow. And then a shitload of germans came and covered

wagons from the eastern states here too it was known as like this german german haven everybody come here it's wild so reviews of this still we're lucky nothing happened we're lucky they we're lucky that they stayed there and we're cool yeah kept it under wraps there that's good so let's get some reviews of this town. A few reviews here. People seem to like it here. It seems to be, yeah, they seem to work in St. Louis and live in Columbia and like the relative safety of it. Here's five stars.

I've lived in Columbia for 15 years. Safe, good schools, mostly friendly people, close to South County, best kept secret in the region okay they love it okay here's another 15 years 15 here's another five star this person doesn't know vocabulary words very well um five stars although i was not raised in columbia i consider it my hometown well that's not how that works that's nope nope can't do that not it could be the town you live in now in the town you like and you know your home but yeah yeah your hometown's where you're from i was born in february i consider myself a capricorn that's the way it is yeah i consider myself a capricorn it's fine consider myself a cancer that's how it works you can't do that i'm more

of a scorpio though jimmy that's the way it works so i'm a i'm a scorpio and this is it's not your hometown yeah you didn't grow up there so columbia is an an all-american city where neighbors help neighbors and everyone is a fiend that's what their review says yeah yeah i think he's going for friend but he hit fiend which is might be just as accurate i don't know i've never been here but it's it is hilarious i love it here everybody is stealing scheming and trying to murder somebody where neighbors help neighbors and everyone is a fiend the neighbors will help you get some meth for the night you know what i mean it's good for you everyone helps each other it's very nice nice here. Here's a three star.

This is fucking, this is good here. Okay. Three or four star. I'm sorry. Too safe. Oh. Too safe, which is okay. If there was a ton of crime, you'd be complaining about that.

Now it's too safe. Okay. Well, I do like just a little bit. Keep me on my toes. You know, just a little. Yeah. I like to get. Otherwise, it keeps the blood flowing. You know what I'm saying what i'm saying otherwise you get plaque building up in your heart that's

how it works i like it's spicy too safe provides people with a with a false sense is the second line a false sense i guess of security security yeah yeah provides people well if it is too safe then it's not false is it no that No. That's a 100% true sentence. Yeah, but murders happen because we're doing this show here. Here's four stars. I don't know if this is code. I don't know if this is like, I feel like we need the code breakers of World War II to come in here and tell us what this means. Someone's got a decoder ring.

Satisfied needs do not motivate oh the eagle lands at midnight like tk using the review websites to communicate with a serial killer on the outside that should actually absolutely be done with different size newspaper and magazine letters cut out that fucking thing i have no idea what you're talking about here's a three-star review okay this is the worst thing i could find about the town here okay three stars i live in an apartment that allows pets period every line is its own line it's written like rap lyrics like one line to the next like up and down not you know no paragraphs i live in an apartment that allows pets hard Hard stop on that paragraph and sentence.

I got lucky. Next sentence. Oh. Then, concept realty owns most of the rentals here. Okay. Okay. Next sentence. No dogs.

All capital letters. No dogs. Next sentence. They overprice also. Okay. Next sentence. I amprice also. Next sentence. I am very isolated here. I can tell. This review is a cry for help.

It's a cry for help. Someone talk to this person. Where are you? It feels like a board game. Yeah. The game is guess what pet they have. Yeah. Where are you, current resident?

I really would like to help you. This is. And each sentence is a clue. I think they have a bird, James. It's a little clue. Yeah, it's like a hunt a killer thing. One of those. So, yeah, it's pretty goddamn wild.

So there we go. People in this town, 11,090. Not a ton, not a little tiny bit, but more females than male by a lot. 52% female. Median age is a little bit high, 40.3, but pretty close to the national average. Family in this town is a lot, too. It is 58% married. This is a suburb.

You move here when you want a yard for your kids to play in and you still work in St. Louis. That's who lives here, essentially. Very few people are single with children. Everybody's married with children. Race of this town, 95.5% white. Excessively. 0.6% black. Wow.

This is 20 minutes from St. Louis. I don't know if anybody's ever been to St. Louis or not. Now, anecdotally, just going there the few times we've performed, there's a couple of black people there. Just one or two black people in St. Louis. That's 20 minutes away to filter out every single one of them. It seems like on purpose, I'm saying. I've seen a Nelly video. I've seen a St. Louis video.

There's a shitload. Jesus Christ. Just on the Cardinals, there's a couple of black guys. Like, this is more than are in this town town i don't know what's going on here it's probably more on the blues even and that's hockey yeah so 1.5 percent asian and 1.9 percent hispanic religion in this town 65 percent religious real 65 percent religious 28 the most here are Catholics, which I wouldn't assume, honestly. Yeah, 28.4% of the people here are Catholics. Catholics are, as we know, the Baptists of the southern Midwest.

I don't know. At least Illinois. I'm going to say that. 0.0% Jewish here. Last election, 31% of the people voted Democrat. 66.7% Republican. 2.3% Independent in the last election. The unemployment rate here is a little bit lower than the national average.

You have a big city sitting right there. There's plenty of jobs. That helps. The median household income here is higher as well because you move out here and you have a few bucks. $65,286 is the median household income. Cost of living is pretty close to the national average median home cost here 267 600 so lower than the national average by about by a good amount so if we've convinced you damn it yeah you have got you know what you you want all the all the st louis of st lou, but without all that St. Louis.

We have for you the Columbia, Illinois Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for $950 a month. And house number one950 a month. Reasonable. House number one is not a house. It is a 1.2 acre dirt lot with a little cul-de-sac that comes up to it. Love that. There are

23 pictures of a dirt... There's nothing on the lot. There's no trees to take pictures of. You take one aerial picture, that's the lot. That's all you need. There's 23 pictures of this fucking dirt lot. They did it 23 different times, different angles? From the sky, from below, from down low, from the corner, from that corner, from the side, from the side, but up a little bit.

But you've got to see it from the left. It's dirt. When you've seen it from the left, though, make sure you want to see it from the right. This is $110,000 for this patch of dirt. All of dirt with, I don't think, anything else to it. House number two, three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,571 square feet. It is built in 1960. It looks like it's the classic ranch house.

It definitely looks like the kids in Dazed and Confused were going to have a party here, and then the parents decided to stay, and now they can't do it. That's what it looks like. It's a very, it looks very 70s. 219,900 bucks for that, though. So pretty reasonable. 1,571 square feet. You know, kind of a starter family home.

That's not bad. Not bad. So then we have house number three, four bedroom, five bath. T-Bowl. Each and every B-Hall, baby. 5,150 square feet oh my god it's a big joint 2.56 acres too nice big property it's built in 2001 oh it's new it's weird man it's bro this is a weird house this is the house it has a huge weird mural under the stairs oh do you

make your children sit there i don't know it's under the stairs. Do you make your children sit there? I don't know. It's under the stairs. There's nothing there. It's a place where you maybe store a couple of things. They have a weird tree mural there that a sad kid drew as he was forced to sit there for a few hours. For time out.

For time out because Dad had a couple too many spicy juices. Yeah. Throw him a paintbrush and said, draw. That's not great. So there is a bidet in here, which is weird. Oh, love that. And then another strange thing, there's a goddamn palm tree growing in the house. Inside the house, there's a small koi pond with, like, rocky dirt next to it.

Yuck. With a two-story high palm tree that grows all the way up into your second story of your house. That's going to go somewhere else eventually. Yeah. This house, all the shit in there looks like it's from the 80s. It's a very 80s kind of cool house. Like, oh, this would be cool in 87, but it was built in 2001.

Makes no sense. $625,000. I don't understand this house. Fascinating. It's a fascinating property. You got to look at it. Things to do here. Oh, tell me. don't understand this house. Fascinating. It's a fascinating property. You gotta look at it. Things to do here. Oh, tell me. Well, here's one. The Columbia Walk Trail. Yeah. Which sounds like

maybe some nice nature. It's not. It's just this street. Literally, if you look it up, it'll show you a picture of a sidewalk kind of in their downtown and it says Columbia Walk Trail. You can walk on our sidewalk. And I looked it up. It's like two miles of a sidewalk. says columbia walk trail and it's just you can walk on our sidewalk and i looked it up it's like two miles of a sidewalk that's not a walk trail it's a

sidewalk there's no it doesn't get naturey no no no no no you have to pass every block you have to you have to try to not get hit by a car as a matter of fact so that's not a walk trail that's a walk trail walking in the city at that point i mean it, it's loose, but yeah, I see what you're saying. I would say. Holy shit. Next up is Festy Fall. Oh, yeah. Festy Fall.

You can tell right away with the wordplay this is going to be great. Celebrate fall with the entire family. Listen to the music of the Z Band. Oh. They're formerly the Smash Band. Oh. They're formerly the Smash Band. Oh. And they were like, oh,

damn Smash Mouth kids are ruining it all. God damn it. We thought they'd go away 25 years ago and they won't, it keeps coming and it won't stop coming

is the problem. Kids keep screaming, play All Star. They keep saying, yeah. They keep saying, come on, you're walking on the sun come on they keep screaming they're clamoring for it the kids they can't help it so yeah this they're ridiculous so they had to change it to the z band there's like i don't know 17 members of this band and all of them look like they're all of them look like they're collecting Social Security.

Put it that way. All of them look like they're a few years under their belt. So they also, you can stroll the promenade to find unique merchandise, food, and drinks, including authentic German potato pancakes. They look pretty good. Is that German? I don't know. They look crispy.

I don't know how you can go wrong with a smashed crispy potato thing. That looks good. Yeah, I didn't know that they were the first ones that made them flat. I don't know. Evidently. Take this. You know what? Why is it so round?

I know you sliced it sometime, but what if we chop it up and then make a slice out of it? What about that? Fry it. What if we chop it up and then make a slice out of it? What about that? Fry it. So there's also an upper limits rock climbing wall, inflatable activities, and so much more for the kids in the kid zone. Oh, wow.

Here. Next event here, the citywide yard sale. Yuck. Over 100 households participate. 100 people's houses worth of shit. Normally held in the spring okay i could never that's just a vehicle to get somebody else's bed bugs into your just yeah how can i do that quickly how can i do that does it oh they can be transferred through books perfect i'll take three then i'll take the whole sesame street collection crime rate in this town what

we're interested in here all right right. The crazy stuff here. Property crime's about half the national average. So the reason why people are moving here with their families is because it's safe. And then violent crime,

murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about one-third of the national average. Incredibly safe. Very low, very safe. Yeah, it's a place

where you can go and say, well, I'm not scared on my street. Get in here and be lulled into a false sense. False sense, man. Too safe. That said, let's talk about a murder. Let's talk about people who are too safe. Let's do it here. Okay.

They wish they were too safe. Let's talk about a guy first. Let's talk about a dude. Here's Chris Coleman. Introduce you to here he's born on march 20th 1977 chris and chris is the son of a preacher all right which is always um you know dusty springfield was that her name yeah i think so yeah and then everybody else saying that too but yeah um she did a great job nobody did do it do it. Pastor Ron Coleman and his wife, Connie.

Uh-huh. So there's that. Who else did that song, though? No, there was a, early 60s they did that. It was a, damn it. I don't know. Not the Supremes or somebody like that, but it was a, I can't remember. It was Dusty that did it best, right?

I don't know. It's the most recognizable? I don't know about that. It didn't, like, somebody from Motown do that? I feel like that was a Motown song. I don't... Because the version in the Pulp Fiction movie and that soundtrack... That's Dusty Springfield.

I don't think so. It is. Is it? A hundred percent. It might be. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think you're right at all.

I don't think you're right at all about that. But you might be. I'm not going to say definitively, but probably wrong. Anyway. But I could very easily be wrong, too. As sure as you are that I'm wrong, I'm that sure that I'm right. I don't know. Well, now you've got to look it up.

Pulp Fiction soundtrack. I'm looking it up right now. I'm doing it right now. We'll talk about this, but we're going to have a hard time because we're going to both be thinking about it is the problem. I know it's going to drive me. What's worse is that as this show progresses and people listen, my tweets are going to be going bananas or threads or Facebook or one way or another.

People will be telling me about how wrong I am. Here's the Pulp Fiction soundtrack. Here it all is. Let's find it out. Nope, not there. She should be early because it was the early song in the movie. Yes, her version was in the movie. You're correct.

Dusty? Absolutely. Yes, you are correct. That's the good one. I don't know about that. No? It might be somebody else? I don't know if it's the good one.

It's certainly a good one she did a lot yeah she is who the fuck else did that about aretha franklin did it that's right oh did thank you was it her first then probably it's probably she did it in 1970 and uh dusty springfield did it 64 uh 69 69 okay so right. Okay, so right around the same time. Right around the same time. Yeah, it doesn't matter. They did a white version and a black version is what they did. Well, it was the 70s.

That's when you made the whiz. You made, that's what they did. Yeah. That's what they made. So Chris Coleman, the son of a preacher man, as according to Dusty Springfield from Pulp Fiction, as Jimmy has correctly pointed out, and uh preacher man wife connie here the wife of a preacher man connie so the son and wife of a preacher man here so ron and connie have chris and um they have okay he has brothers and sisters and um they are or just brothers i'm sorry one

sister i think i think so So they speak in tongues. Oh, it's that. Yeah, this isn't a like, you know, turn the other cheek, love your brother type of church. This is a get down on the floor and fucking speak to God. Let God speak through you type of shit here. The father teached what was called, quote, clear teaching from the Bible. Yeah. The father teached what was called, quote, clear teaching from the Bible.

Yeah. Which would be, you know, stone your daughter, don't work on Sundays, or you'll be stoned to death. Don't do this. A lot of stoning to death, I feel like, is what you'd have to preach there. Like if you're going Old Testament, there's a lot of stonings there. So amid everything here, Chris is known as the quietest and gentlest of the Coleman boys. There's three Coleman boys, and he's known as the quietest and gentlest of the Coleman boys. There's three Coleman boys, and he's known as the quietest and gentlest of all of them. He's a sweet boy. Known as nice.

His mother said the worst curse word she's ever heard him say the whole time was one time he said P-I-S-S. Oh, he did? Piss. Not even piss, though. He said P-I-S-S. He spelled piss. Yeah yeah which is so weird saying shit is much less weird than spelling piss right yeah yeah piss is your it's such a weak word to to spell unless somebody peed on you it's very strange of a thing to say too right i never bring piss up unless there's pee involved yeah never

and the only time you spell it is when you don't want people to know that you just pissed your pants what's that on your leg p-i-s-s is that if you're in a group of four-year-olds maybe i guess that would work but otherwise i think everyone going to know what that spells. I think so. Once they smell it and put the two together, they're really going to know. So, yeah, but that's all he would say in front of his mother, I guess. He's very conservative in terms of his, you know, just he's a very vocabulary, not a very just very churchy. They're very churchy. They're very churchy. So his junior high school coach in basketball,

he had the same coach in basketball, baseball, and track. Really? So you know none of those teams were any good because you need some specialization. The basketball coach can't be the baseball coach. That's not how it works. The special ed teacher or driving teacher or driver's job teacher can absolutely coach totally totally but one sport

not all three you can only know one sport sorry yeah the science teacher doesn't teach english also you know what i'm saying there's a reason for that so this coach said you couldn't ask for a better kid he's very kind he's a team player i hardly ever even saw him lose his temper so he's just hardly ever they said one night chris went out and with his friends when his parents were out of town they had to went out of town for the weekend his friends on the team talked him into going out and partying a little bit. And he got a little, he had a couple of drinks. He never had that before, but they kind of peer pressured him into some drinks. He went home and couldn't, his parents weren't there and he couldn't get a hold of them.

So he couldn't tell his parents and he needed to confess his guilt. So in the middle of the night, he called his high school basketball coach to tell him, Coach, I got drunk and my parents aren't here and someone needs to yell at me for this because i feel bad my parents gonna be p-i-s-s p-i-s-s you know how it goes but no they he called the coach and confessed um chris also his mother said would never go hunting with his father because he did it one time when he was a kid and she said the first time we butchered a rabbit he did it one time when he was a kid and she said the first time we butchered a rabbit he was just beside himself so he couldn't handle it yeah doesn't like the blood and the violence of that at all even a rabbit he's not not okay with it so

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Nice guy. If he gets drunk, he calls his coach to confess about it, even though he went home to his house where no one is and he could have slept it off, got away with it, and never thought about it again. He called while he's drunk to go, I'm sorry I'm drunk right now. I just threw up all over myself.

Son, what's that on your pants? P-I-S-S. My dad just shot a rabbit. We're going to have to butcher it tomorrow. God, no, please. So when he's in high school, a Marine recruiter came to high school. Let's call him a maroon recruiter. So mix those up.

He's recruiting for people to be maroon. A Marine recruiter came to high school and chris came home saying man that's that's who i'm gonna be is that guy right there yeah though he liked the way he carried himself and he was like i'm impressed oh yeah he signed up soon as high school ended he graduated boom next day he was holding his hand up marines gotta get in the marines so he does he joins the marines he trains with the canine unit he's an mp. He joins the Marines. He trains with the canine unit. He's an MP in the Marines. Oh.

And he trains with the canine unit. So he's a canine MP is what he's doing in there. Dragging the dog around. Yeah. So at least he gets a dog to hang out with. That's fun. That's cool. I mean, that job, though, it's kind of you're basically a dog trainer and the dog is the cop.

The dog is kind of the cop. Yeah. The dog does the go oh, here, okay. Yeah. Well, you don't even really train them. You take them to get trained and they tell you how to make it do things. And then they give you a badge and let the dog do the work. Yeah, they give you a badge.

And then we also say that the dog's a person now. Right. Which is fun. And the dog's a sworn deputy and you hurt that dog and you go to jail for beating up a cop yeah that's the same thing which i mean you shouldn't beat up dogs so no never or cops probably i'd rather so really rather you beat up the cop than the dog well the cop can defend himself he's got a gun and a nightstick right he can take you to jail the cops just the dog's just a dog you know he doesn't know he's a cop mason no he doesn't know he's a

sworn officer he didn't know he had no idea he was swearing to anything they picked his paw up and he was like oh we're shaking okay like he had no fucking clue what was happening he bit a rug coated with some shit that's all he did i like to smell for shit and then they tell me good boy and give me do i have to do paperwork too this is bullshit how am i gonna do this? Yeah, I didn't even punch into that. Yeah, this is fucked up, man. I thought I was off on Saturdays. We're going in. What's happening?

He has no say in his shifts or anything else. Yeah. So he's in there for a few years, and he's going to end up leaving the Marine Corps. Like once his duty's up. But his father said he was ready for a career in the marines but something made him get out of the marines what'd he do he said this is ron ron said quote he would have stayed in all his life except that bill clinton and monica and all that was a disappointment oh the president got a blow job so i can't be in the marines anymore i can't answer to that man i guess i

don't know what his deal was my boss i want out it was a disappointment i don't know that that's what ron said but ron's also a preacher so he might have been trying to put a moral thing on it when also at the same time he'd met a woman too oh there's another reason so i think ron might be putting his own things on to chris possibly and be like yeah he was real upset about that. He meets a woman named Sherry as well here. Sherry Weiss is her name. They meet in

1997 at a canine training seminar at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio. She is an MP in the Air Force who works in the canine unit. Oh. Yeah, they meet at a couldn't be better couldn't be about the streams on the branches of military very both in the service both doing the same

thing both doing the dog thing so they meet and they hit it off very quickly they're okay immediately here now sherry um you know a couple years younger than him uh sherry is she's like i said sherry weiss she went to largo high school in saint petersburg florida that's where she's from the tampa saint petersburg area she's uh different though she was in the drama club i don't know how many chicks from the drama club joined the marines on a regular basis right well i remember the chicks from the drama club they didn't cross over with the really rotc crowd very much they were more of the yeah i knew some i knew probably four girls in rotc that were in drama club what kind of school did you go to that is very bizarre artsy

kids all aren't also like i learned to kill on the weekends yeah and then i sing fame on monday like that's not normal i learned hamlet and claimed my ar it Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Usually those are very opposite people. Yeah, and she was all, the group, it was like the roller blade girls. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, softball girls signed up for the Marines. That's who signed up for the Marines, softball girls. That was the same girls that were in the drama club.

Isn't that bizarre? You had a weird drama club. You sure they weren't like lighting people? Usually lighting stage people they join the marines sometimes but not the people memorizing things usually you think i know that's true you just saw them all going in they were all in the one section in the yearbook that's all and so sherry yeah yeah so sherry here she in high school and growing up and still through this day is best friends with her high school friend, Tara Lintz, L-I-N-T-Z, Lintz. She graduated a year after Sherry. So Sherry, when he meets Sherry, Sherry's 21. She's in the Air Force.

He's 20. She's 21. They're both studying at the Canine Center. Three months later, old Pastor Ron, here, Dad, he said he stood at the window of his house and watched his son pulling up in the car. And he yelled to his wife, Connie, he's got somebody with him. Oh. Who's with him here? So who was with him was Sherry.

He brought Sherry home unannounced. He didn't bring the dog, huh? He brought her. Just Sherry. And he just said she's a friend who lives in Chicago. here so who was with him was sherry he brought sherry home unannounced bring the dog huh just sherry and uh he just said she's a friend who lives in chicago and he said that he was you know giving her a ride and he was going to run her home to chicago and then come back really that's what he said yeah and ron said we didn't pick up anything uh you know dad yeah it's a grown man with a girl in the car just the two of them how many how many women do you drive four hours out of your way who you don't want to have sex with because you're

such a good pal of theirs you know what i mean i'm hoping this car breaks down in a thunderstorm yeah we gotta cuddle for warmth that's some shit that you do, you know, for hope of pussy. That's a pussy hope there. You're like, well, if I drive her all the way there, she might say it's late. Maybe she'll like me more. We'll drive back now. It's too late.

No, it's so late. And the thunderstorm. Oh, boy. I'm freezing. Come in. Look at us. We're soaked. You've got wet clothes on.

Get those off. We're soaked to the bone here, you know? Get them off. I'll put them in the dryer come on yeah you you are you know just wear here you know what you're fine just just climb in the bed with me yeah climb in the bed let's keep warm under there we gotta snuggle now ron said didn't pick up anything quote except she was a worldly little girl worldly little girl little short shorts tattoo on her. Little short shorts, tattoo on her leg.

Oh, God. Not a tattoo on her leg. Tattoo on her leg. Not the person we thought he'd be with. What does that mean? Whore. That's what it means. It's the middle of summer and she came in with shorts on,

showing off some kind of tattoo. Clearly a woman who will sell her wares to the highest bidder on a street corner obviously she don't speak in tongues is what that says yeah worldly worldly that means yeah she's had lots of penises in her is what that means worldly all of them in the world all of them in the world and a lot in her mouth too that's also part of worldly ron's like when i was in the service i met plenty of worldly girls when i would stop at the ports and i feel like that's what he's doing now worldly yeah so chris left to drive sherry home and he didn't come back he was supposed to come back that night and never came back.

Oh, just stayed with her, huh? Where the fuck is Chris? So the next morning, phone rings. Pastor Ron picks it up. And Ron says, quote, his first words were, Dad, you'll never believe what we did. We got married. Last night? Last night.

They went and eloped. Or this morning at some point. Whatever, yeah. Ron says, I was quiet. And Chris says, Dad, you dad you don't seem excited i said give me a few minutes that's what ron said give me a few minutes here i'm not sure if i should be here that worldly little girl i don't know yeah i don't know i don't know if i'm jealous of you for the good tang you're getting if i want to strangle the life out of you boy shorts and a leg tattoo she must be doing wild things to you huh so then ron says that chris realized right away that the marriage hadn't been godly it's not godly they didn't do it in a church yeah chris realized ron said chris realized right away he was like yeah you're right jesus it wasn't i didn't include god at all in this scenario did chris realize it or did dad emphasize it hardly into him well and then he realized chris

was like i promised him he could be an usher and now god's gonna be mad at me so he said ron adds quote my gosh he was raised in church he was repentant and broken over it and i made sure because i yelled at him good and made sure to break him good over it and told him quoted a scripture to adam and i just put the phone down and started preaching i did a whole sermon for about an hour and a half and then we spoke in tongues together and then he said you're right dad that's how it works do you have anything to say and i said yes sir oh quote quote he said oh I just got caught up in the moment, Connie recalls. We said, well, it's a lifetime. Caught up in the moment.

Oh, you can't go back now, boy. Now you're in there. And then Ron adds, quote, and this is the reason why, though. Ron adds, quote, but later we found out she was pregnant. Oh. There you go. Yeah, yeah. That's the reason why they got married right away because

she's pregnant that's fine yeah that's that's a common marriage reason i feel like that's fine love dedication devotion pregnant those are the top four probably i think right i'll tell you there was no jesus in my wedding it was was it not godly jimmy. It was a little boy. It was a fucking three-month-old. So 1998, they have their son named Garrett is his name. So they have a son. And Sherry becomes a stay-at-home mom. She leaves the service as well. Becomes a stay-at-home mom.

Two years later, in 2000, they have another son named Gavin. So, yeah, they have cute little blonde kids, and they play in the yard, and they have a whole nice Gavin. So, yeah, they have cute little blonde kids, and they play in the yard, and they have a whole nice time. They buy a house, Garrett and Gavin, here at 2854 Robert Drive in Columbia. It's a three-bedroom, three-bath, 2,200-square-foot house. So real comfortable, nice family house. Kids got their own bedrooms. They have a nice-sized yard out there.

They like their neighbors. They're a nice size yard out there. They like their neighbors. They're the real family type of situation here. Yeah. This is, I mean, when you picture like, you know, middle America, middle class family, you go, boom, right here. Yeah. White house, two little kids running around in the yard, playing in the leaves and shit. So one of their neighbors who lives down the street said the Coleman's had they were the perfect. They had the perfect life raising their two beautiful sons is what the person said.

This person said, quote, I always thought of them as the American family, the perfect family. Everybody would want their children to be like those two boys. Polite, helpful, heart of gold. Just perfect. That's weird, right? To know that much about them? Perfect they're all nosy i think it's weird to know anything about your fucking neighbors you know i am so to have like that do you have anybody on your street that you think is the perfect american i don't know who they are

right the answer is i don't fucking know i don't know who they are you talk to everybody do you you're the one who talks to everybody i know so i know the guy on my left the guy across the street the guy on my right and then you fight with the guy on your right yeah the guy no the guy behind the guy behind me fucking worse the guy on my right fought with the guy on my left but that guy now moved out and they used to fight it with each other with me i'm pretty sure the guy who lives next door is named john that's what i got i'm pretty sure like 96 sure his name is john he wears a yankee hat sometime and i wave once in a while that's my i don't know shit i think we we drop a christmas card in their in their thing because they brought us cookies or something once or some shit when we first got here that's a that's the extent of it i don't

know shit about it so these people must be staring out in the yard going look at them all perfect wow so people next to me people cross street people behind me none of them good american they're horrible people yeah they all seem horrible yeah who knows but these people they everyone looked and went wow look at them and when they take their pictures too they take these you know professional photos and all they're all wearing white and they look like it looks like an advertisement for like for a church is what it looks like it looks like they would put it on the front of like a pamphlet to come to this church like does your family look like that would you like them to come to this church that's what it looks like some ll bean yeah not even so 2000s here sherry through of this, even though Sherry wholeheartedly gets into the church stuff with him and she's into church, too, and she's into everything. She doesn't have Forstner or anything like that.

But she still remains friends with Tara Lintz, her friend. But she feels bad for Tara, though. Tara's her number one MySpace friend at the time, which if you remember the MySpace days, your number one friend, big deal. So they're interacting a lot and whatever the hell they're doing on MySpace. So Tara, she said they have to pray for Tara is what she says. She tells Chris, we have to pray for Tara a lot because she's still single. She's like 24, Jimmy, Jesus Christ. I mean, she's rotten on. She's still, she's like 24,

Jimmy, Jesus Christ. I mean, she's, she's rotten on the vine out there. It's all gonna, she's 24. Like who cares? Florida?

In Florida. Yeah. I mean, come on 24. Uh, she's worked at a, as a hostess at a quote, gentlemen's club.

Hell yeah. Waitress at the titty bar. Keeps her clothes on though. Yeah. Yeah. Her shirt's on, but that's, she said waitress there and currently is working at the derby lane dog track in saint petersburg this is the most florida woman i've ever heard in my life two houses of florida sin yeah yeah i feel

like that if you grow up in florida it's the law by the time you're 25 you had to have been a waitress at a titty bar and worked at a dog track as well, right? Isn't that the law down there, I feel like? Yeah. Yeah. If you bring your resume at 30 years old and those aren't on it, they have some questions. You're done. Yeah.

You're out. They're like, I don't see Derby Lane dog. Did you work at the dog? You never worked at a dog track? Explain this gap of unemployment. Well, you were employed, but not at the dog track. I didn't want to tell you about- Well, you were employed, but not at the dog track. I didn't want to tell you about the strip club. Yeah, I'd like to know more about the strip club.

During that time, I was at the dollhouse. Well, why didn't you say so? You're hired. You're hired. Jesus, wow. Obviously, you have the experience we're looking for. Her friend said that Sherry only spoke of her friend one time to her, because Tara was like her friend, but she wouldn't tell her church friends about her her quote crazy single friend who's out there just living a life like a like a

maniac sinful gal yeah she said that she only spoke of her friend once saying that it was very sad that test had that tara's life wasn't reconciled with christ and that she just prayed for that's all she could do is that it sad? Stay close and pray for her. She's seen a woman with her titties out, Jimmy. Yes, it's very sad. Oh, my. Sherry, on the other hand, is very interested in the Destiny Church. That's the church they go to.

It's a non-denominational congregation in West St. Louis County. That's where she and Chris and the family go. She organizes trivia night fundraisers hosts a lot of like you know like uh silent auction parties for the church we show up with a fucking buy a grill for twice as much as it costs and shit like that what a six hundred dollar grill yay and 1200 for it and you can have it. Come on. And they said they went out celebrating the holidays. They're so nice, Chris and Sherry. They paid to have a friend's entire kitchen redone.

Their friend had, like, a fire in their kitchen, so they just gave them the money to have it totally redone. $40,000. Probably $10,000 back then. Maybe. Yeah, $10,000. But still, how many people you handed 10 000 dollars to no especially if you're middle class people you have two kids at home and all that you have your

own bills and you're you're you know it's like they were retired and had millions in the bank like yeah we'll throw them a few bucks so other things she's very interested in are spongebob square pants okay she loves spongebob she loves mash reruns yeah everybody a lot of people who are anybody in the medical industry or the service at all back then like mash reruns that was the come together yeah and her favorite thing even in the early 2000s new kids on the block fascinating loved them loved them couldn't yep she that's why she went in the marines she heard the song and she's like i have the right stuff baby i'm going in another one baby don't go or some shit like that i'm sure baby don't do all sorts of shit baby don't spit

baby don't there's a lot girl something girl you know baby i gotta do this you know that's the one song i like the best girl you know baby i gotta do this yeah that's one um stuff uh um yeah all that girl girl anymore girl girl baby baby i like that's one of my favorites of theirs that a guy sang to another man is a girl girl baby baby and then the other guy sang it back you know that's how they did it it was good so now he ends up chris he's supporting the family here he uses his marine security mp experience to land a security job on the outside which a lot of those guys do that and he lands a job for a very well-known person, actually, Joyce Meyer. Does everyone know who Joyce Meyer is?

I'm pretty well aware of this woman. Yeah, she's known throughout the country, known throughout the world. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch called her the leading voice, a leading voice in the evangelical movement. He said she's extremely successful financially. I've seen figures from $50 million to $100 million a year. A year? Yeah, a year. She makes money.

People just send her money. So what's weird, if people send you money without you having to give them, like, a product or your time, that's a great business model. That's the greatest. I mean, yeah, it'd be incredible. Garage doesn't have anything but cars in it. Hand you money. Yeah, it'd be incredible. Your garage doesn't have anything but cars in it. Hand you money. Yeah, just hand you money. This guy said, Joyce Meyer does conferences all throughout the world in countries that don't necessarily respond well to women who are preaching a Christian message.

So she goes to some Middle Eastern country to a small group of Christians. They don't necessarily love having her there. And so she wanted some deeper security. She's beefing up her team. love having her there and so she wanted some deeper security she's beefing up her team yeah now this around this time too early 2000s this is the exact time this was going on my stepmother who by the way is the nicest kindest jimmy can vouch for this yeah the disney character of a person she's just it's crazy she's this it's ridiculous you think she must be full of shit and it's like well i've known her since i was four and i'm still waiting on it she's not it's crazy she's this it's ridiculous you think she must be full of shit and it's like

well i've known her since i was four and i'm still waiting on it she's not it's her so wait for her to snap into this itchy attitude yeah come on now turn it nope you're just god damn it you're like a fucking you're a disney character even had an illness that you're entitled to be to be rude and she refused refused just kind sweet i don't want to put anybody out. What are you talking about? Put us out. Please put us out, for the love of God. I'll say, yeah, she did.

I'll do anything. She wanted to go to the hospital one time because it would be an inconvenience. And she had a thing that really needed to be fixed right now. She's like, I don't want to. You don't have to go sit there for a week. What are you, crazy? So nice. So she is so nice that years ago, around this time, she had a hard time sleeping and would wake up in the middle of the night and Joyce Meyer would be on TV begging for money as she does.

And she kind of had a – she was dipping her toe in the prosperity gospel fucking waters as far as if you give me $5, right? Let's say you have $5. You give me $5. give me $5, right? Let's say you have $5. You give me $5. Well, I'm going to keep that $5, and then I'm going to get money, but you're going to get $7.50 back from that. Now, out of that $7.50, you give me another $5, and then out of that, then you have $2.50. That'll turn into $10, though, because the Lord will blah, blah, blah. And then at the end, both of us will be making $20 million a year. This starts from you giving me $5. That was literally, that's prosperity gospel.

It's like multi-level marketing where they say you can make unlimited amounts. Yes, if you get every person in the country of Bolivia to be in your downline, you can make that money. But if you don't, then you can't. That's like send a dollar to seven people and then. Yes, that's exactly what it is. It's that shit. It's that dumb shit. It's kind of like that.

Except there's no seven people. It's just send it to Joyce and then wait. And then wait for it to come back to you. And Joyce ain't sending shit back. Not from Joyce, from the universe it'll come back to you. Oh my God. Because you did a good, so yeah, that's kind of what she was dipping her toe in. So my stepmother would send her $20 every once in a while, not because she believed

in it. She said just because, you know know I don't know you never know it might work it might work to which I'd look to my father and he'd go and he'd put his hand up he'd go which is Italian guy Italian guy for if $20 shuts her up I don't know

whatever I don't care it doesn't matter to me I don't want to hear about it. That's the equivalent of I'll throw two bucks in when the mega millions is a billion whatever exactly whatever I don't care I don doesn't matter to me. That's the equivalent of, I'll throw two bucks in when the Mega Millions is a billion. Exactly. Whatever. I don't care. I don't pick the small things to argue about. $20 makes her happy. Great. Whatever. That's what it was. I was like, all right, cool. If we win, we win.

So Chris here, when he completed a personality profile for the company, for Joyce Meyer's company. He describes himself, as you have to describe a bunch of different characteristics about yourself, as a perfectionist, independent, decisive, moody, stubborn, hard to please, tolerant, crafty, and restless. These are all different things. It's just everything, because I mean perfectionist, independent. Those are decisive. Those are good. But it's all your different personality types, because they're doing it like a profile of where they're going to profile you

in a certain way, so you can't just say all perfect things about yourself. When he gets the job, he takes out a $250,000 life insurance policy on himself because he's doing security. Security, yeah. Just in case. That's in 2006, and he lists Sherry as the only beneficiary, as you do as the mother of your children. So he's hired by Joyce Meyers Ministries all the way back in 2000.

At first, his salary was only $41,600 a year, which still isn't bad. It wasn't bad in 2000. But within three months, he gets a promotion and over $4,000 of an annual raise. And then he keeps getting promotions from there on. He's known as a model employee. He works his way up to head of security for the ministry. Wow. Yeah. He does his way up to head of security for the ministry. Wow. Yeah. He does

all sorts of shit. He more than doubled his salary. By November 2008, he was making $100,000 a year. In eight years, he got a fucking $60,000 bump? Because he kept getting better jobs. He kept getting promoted up the line. That's incredible.

He earned glowing reviews here. Here's one of his reviews. Quote, Chris is a very good manager. He operates in wisdom and intuition. Okay. It's a weird thing to say in an employee. Have you ever got that in an employee evaluation? He operates in wisdom and intuition.

Who the fuck says that? I don't think I've ever operated on either of those. No. My intuition is to have no wisdom. That's my problem. That's why we're both sucking everything but this i act on straight compulsion yeah compulsion a little voice i can't control yeah is that intuition i don't know maybe it is i don't know not sure whatever you want to call it um wisdom is not involved in it though i

know that much for either of us he is a hard-working he's hard-working diligent and very trustworthy and god has definitely blessed him with wisdom and discernment twice wisdom in one review yeah jesus and joyce myers they love his family because his family is very photogenic. Beautiful. They love what he's standing there with his kids and his pretty wife and his little blonde kids. And, you know, he's looking all Marini and shit with his head shaved, looking all tough. And this is, oh, man, this is what she wants to put forth is strive toward this. And, you know, don't you want to look like this?

Joyce Meyer can help you, you know, that sort of thing. Wow. So, yeah, it's a big deal. He would his employee evaluation. He marked every question with the most positive response. He was happy to be there when asked if there was anything about the job he would he felt would discourage someone from wanting to work there. he responded not knowing what the ministry's plans are beyond dave and joyce's ability to travel and preach the gospel and the time frame that they plan to continue traveling in other words what are the future plans of the company once joyce and her husband who are both 70 drop dead is that right is what he's saying yeah what happens once joyce can't travel the world and preach the gospel and all that shit then was this company fall apart do we all have jobs do you have a succession plan in place that's what he's talking about he said a strong christian knows that it's all in god's plan and you have to trust him a person on the outside might wonder why though is my only thought that's a crafty way of saying i'm still wondering why he's saying i'm not

questioning you obviously god has a plan. But, you know, someone on the outside might ask that question. So how might I answer it? As I think how he's saying it. Yeah, it's a crafty way of figuring out how to ask that question without looking like an asshole. That's he's a smart guy. He has wisdom and discernment, I think. Absolutely.

So, Chris, they asked him where he saw himself in the next year he wrote uh well obviously working here but then outside the ministry too i see myself working more and more in my church and continuing to raise my kids in the best way god would have me do oh yeah so he does well um now joyce speaks about and writes about she said she her whole thing is that she had a lot of problems and tragedies in her life and that, you know, God helped her overcome all these things. She says she was sexually abused as a child. She said after her father came home from World War Two, I guess he sexually abused her. He had a lot of mental problems. She had breast cancer.

She said her first husband was cheated on her and was abusive to her. She had breast cancer. She said her first husband was cheated on her and was abusive to her. And she also said that he persuaded her to steal payroll checks from her employer. So at some point, Joyce got busted for stealing payroll checks from her employer is what we're getting at here. And she blamed a man? She said he did it and he forced her to because he was abusive and that she later repaid the money. Could be true.

Who knows? She does about 15 conferences a year, but they're huge. They're like at a basketball arena. They're gigantic. And she's written more than 80 books. 80 books. And hosts a radio and TV show, enjoying everyday life as well. By Time Magazine, she was ranked as one of the 25 most influential evangelicals in America as well she was by time magazine she was ranked as one of the 25 most influential evangelicals in america as well yeah she's she's uh big time um the reverend larry rice who is an advocate for

the homeless and operates the tv station knlc in st louis was a a Meyer supporter up until around this time when he dropped her show up until 2004. He said she had an excessive lifestyle and criticized her biblical teachings as well because Meyer's had a private jet, $20 million corporate headquarters, and $2 million home. Also drew a U.S. Senate investigation in 2007. Don't give her money. I'm sorry. I don't care if you did. She's obviously keeping a bunch of it.

She's got plenty. She's got plenty. And she's not giving. This isn't all going where you think it is. And the sad part is people like my stepmom who are nice, people like your mom are trying to be nice. And they think they're trying to help people. And then this lady's got a $20 million corporate fucking headquarters and a jet and a $2 million home. $2 million home.

In the middle of nowhere, too, so it's probably a fucking mansion. Crazy. Yeah, it's not like a $2 million apartment on the fucking Upper East Side of Manhattan where it's 1,200 square feet. She's probably living quite lavishly. She's thriving. Yeah. So there's that.

Where is it? Oklahoma or some shit? Who knows? I think it's somewhere. I think it's in Missouri, her thing here. Oh, yeah. So November 2008 is when Chris is promoted to be Joyce's personal bodyguard. Oh, shit.

Personal bodyguard here. Yeah, so she's got to be in St. Louis if he's a personal bodyguard. He can just drive to work. Yeah. He traveled in advance of her to check security at the venues like a Secret Service agent where she's scheduled. He once told his worried mother because his mother said, I'm worried about you being a bodyguard. What if somebody wants to kill her? And he said that being a bodyguard was just a matter of looking tough. The bald head being beefed up, never smiling. He said it's all intimidation.

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Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. So at this point, the kids are doing great. Garrett's playing football. Gavin's playing baseball. Everybody's doing wonderful. You know what I mean? Absolutely couldn't be better. Thriving here. Thriving.

So now there's some problems for Chris and Sherry though that come up. Not necessarily between them. Some stuff will come up between them, but some threats start coming in. Oh no. Yeah, I guess this put Chris said it must be because I'm Joyce Myers had a security puts a target on my back. So in November 2008, he right when he gets promoted,

he starts receiving death threats to his work email. Oh, yeah. And then his neighbor is a detective. So he tells his neighbor about it. And his neighbor said whenever Chris Coleman reported the first death threat that he got from from this email account at his work at Joyce Meyer Industries, he came to us at the police department. So he went to the cops right away. The email here read, and I quote, the subject line is important. Some people just leave it blank. It's crazy. You got to grab them.

You got to grab their attention. Here's the reader. A chance to do it. And they he this will grab your attention. Quote, Chris's crazy. You got to grab them. You got to grab their attention. Here's the reader. A chance to do it. And they he this will grab your attention. Quote, Chris's family. They are dead with three exclamation points. I think that'll get your attention. That's in the subject.

That's the subject matter. Yeah. Just subject. He says, quote, I'm sure this will make it to someone in the company. All right. That's important. If you jackasses are like any other company, this. Alright, that's important. If you jackasses are like any other company, this will

be in someone's account. Pass this on to Chris. You know, because I'm going to kill him and his family, obviously. If I'm going to kill them, they're the ones you want to tell about. It won't help otherwise. Maybe let them know. So tell Joyce to stop preaching

the bullshit or Chris's family will die. If I can't get to Joyce, then I will get to someone close to her. And if I can't get to him, then I will kill his wife and kids. Okay. I know Joyce's schedule, so then I know Chris's schedule. If Joyce doesn't quit preaching this bullshit, then they will die soon. During the Houston conference, I will kill them as they sleep. If I don't hit there, then I will kill them during the book tour or the trip to India.

I know where he lives and I know when they are alone. They will all die soon. Tell that motherfucker next time to let me talk to Joyce. She needs to hear what I have to say and now she will. Okay, so misleading headline. To let me talk to Joyce. She needs to hear what I have to say. And now she will. Okay. So misleading headline. Yeah. Chris's family.

They are dead. Yeah. Well, you want to grow up. My family's dead. Oh, phew. Good. They're not dead. That's like the spam calls.

They call you and go, you don't have any warranty on your car. What happened? Oh, yeah. No, this is a scam.'s right never mind so this the email account that it's sent from is this is great destroy chris at gmail.com which is just hilarious yeah right on the nose what do i want to do destroy chris okay, sometimes the shit writes itself. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, yeah, it came from there, and they were like, okay, it came to his email at his Joyce Meyer Ministries account. So what will the cops do about this?

I mean, this is some serious threats, right? What can you do? What can you do? Well, his friend said, quote, we give the Coleman family extra patrol, which we just patrol around the area a lot more than we normally would during a shift and give it special attention to make sure nobody's there. So if we're driving by and we hear a woman and two children screaming for their lives, we'll stop. We'll stop. Whoever's in that area, anything on the opposite side of that area is fair game to break laws. Do whatever you got to do. We'll be over here.

Take a look. See a Chris's house, though, and make sure no one's currently being murdered okay we're gonna have cops just sit out there why not and make everything else be vulnerable so then january 2009 a a hand-delivered threat shows up in the coleman family mailbox oh it's not mailed it's no postage on it or anything no email somebody came there and dropped it in the box which means they know exactly where he lives they know where he lives yeah this starts out like this the title here is quote fuck you well which is all right you know that's again attention this guy knows whoever this is knows how to grab attention your family's dead fuck you these are attention grabbers he says deny your god publicly or else or else no more opportunities the time is running out for you and your family

have a good time in india motherfucker which sounds like he got like pally with him at the end there i'm gonna kill you i'm gonna kill you but i know you have that trip up coming up have a good time motherfucker have a good time motherfucker motherfuckers all capitalized by the way oh yeah and an exclamation because you know so you're not so you're not gonna kill them in india you're gonna let us go well maybe while chris is there maybe we'll kill the kids and family here kill her here then they were talking about the kids and family going to India with him as well as like a, you know, a trip so they could see another area, another country,

different culture and all that kind of shit. Yeah. So they said, they asked a neighbor, does it concern you as a neighbor living so closely that you heard there was death threats being made to the guy across the street? The guy, he said, absolutely it did.

I was terrified. He could, he could he could someone could say third house on the right and mean left i could be fucking dead you come in from the south end of the neighborhood i'm on the right now you know what i'm saying yeah yeah these two here the ones on either side of me the one across the street the one behind me they should all be terrified everyone somebody hates me everyone's scared you guys you guys are vulnerable too you're all vulnerable it's the address all are vulnerable, too. You're all vulnerable.

And I missed the address. All those houses look the same. They're your vulnerable. Yeah, they do. So April 27th, 2009, another note arrives. Oh. Another note. This time, again, an ultimatum here.

In the mailbox? No, this is in, yeah, another note in the mailbox. Quote, I am giving you the last warning. This is the final countdown, the last warning. Countdown, going to kill your entire family. Whole family. Going to kill them. Going to kill your wife and kids, your kids,

if you don't renounce God publicly. It's the final. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. You son of a bitch. That's mine.

I'm throwing in there for him. What's his whole ways? I have warned you to stop traveling and to stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money. That's always good advice, but I don't feel like – I feel like Chris is into this. You know what I'm saying? You think you are – I don't think it's – I think maybe it could be Joyce. It could be full of shit, but I don't think Chris is. You think you're so special to do what you do, protecting, or think you are protecting her.

So special. She is a bitch and not worth doing it. Joyce? Joyce. Huge bitch. Not worth doing it. Stop today or else. Or else.

He doesn't ever mention Joyce, but I assume it's Joyce and not his own wife. He's not saying, my wife's a bitch. So I know your schedule you can't hide from me ever I'm always watching he's dropped off two you know two notes in the mailbox yeah seems like they are that's fucking that's so scary that's terrifying I know when you leave in the morning and I know when you stay home. I saw you leave this morning. I will be watching. I know when you're sleeping.

I know when you're awake. Yeah, I was waiting for that to rock. Yeah, I was going to say, is this Santa Claus pissed? Who pissed off Santa Claus? Santa Claus forgot his own poetry. I will be watching. You better stop traveling and doing what you are doing then now all capitals from now on this is my last warning your worst nightmare

is about to happen about to happen it's about to happen so this is what's going on here you think you're so special yeah so special so a neighbor of his decided to get more security because he's terrified the guy across the street fuck yeah he said we got one camera mounted up in one of the rooms that points right out at the mailbox oh inside pointing outside genius yeah point so they could get to the coleman's mailbox and maybe catch the psychopath from doing this shit and that guy won't know that there's a camera out there because it's inside. It's inside. It won't scare him away.

It's about 214 feet away also. About? That's very specific. That's what they said in the police report. About. Could be 215, could be 213. We're going about 214. They hope to get a clear shot of whoever's leaving the notes, obviously,

and they said they wanted to be proactive in case anybody came to their house, too. Sherry's worried, though. Sherry told her friends and the cops, because they had called the cops about this, that she had to close her Facebook account because she received threats possibly related to death

threats that she received. They said Shererry also reported to friends that there were unauthorized changes to her facebook account without her knowledge like someone was hacking her account so she just shut it all down yeah done shut it all down so april 28 2009 this is the day after death threats come in and they're going to kill your family it's the last warning chris is having a good old time having a having a nice throwing nice throw and catch with kurt warner the quarterback of the cardinals fucking you know rams giants whoever else whoever else he threw wounded duck passes for he was throwing that

sidearm there in in st louis at the time at the time well now he's in arizona for 2009 but he's from st louis originally that's where the rams, so that's where he was at the time. And he's throwing them around, which he hangs out. Kurt hangs out at Joyce Meyer Ministries all the time. She's his buddy. So, yeah, if you're her right-hand man, you get to play ball with Kurt here. So he's doing that. And also, in Chris's phone, he has Joel Osteen's cell phone number.

Of course. So, wow. Through 2009 now, beginning of 2009 comes around. He's got the job as head of security. He starts growing his hair out a little bit. Starts growing hair because he had shaved himself totally bald. I thought he was just bald. He has hair.

He's just shaving it to look tough for the job. Really? Yeah, which is a i think an insult to bald men everywhere truly as george costanza would say motherfucker george does the george costanza thing he's like he shaves it on purpose what no no he was very upset yeah so around uh may second ish this is the saturday as a Saturday, he goes to a Vita Pure Nature Salon in Columbia for a trim. Oh, for his hair.

For his hair, yeah. Not going to a barber. He's not a barbershop guy. He's more of a salon guy. Vita Pure. Yeah, Vita, a Vita, a Vita Pure. A Vita. Yeah.

Oh. So Sherry joins him after she got her passport picture taken somewhere. So, yeah, yeah. I'm sure it was. I'm going to say at the right age or whatever. So the boys were camping with their friends, the friends of the family, Gavin and Garrett. So the Coleman's were going on a date night that night. The hairstylist was saying, oh, they were so excited about it.

She said, and they were both really excited about it. We stood in the window and watched them leave and said, oh, my gosh, they're so cute as they went to dinner. So everybody loves this. So it's funny. He said that people started noticing his hair. One of the neighbors said, what's up with your hair, dude? What's going on with that? And he was like, well, you don't like it.

And they said, no, it's fine. But this particular night of the date night, they're hanging out with neighbors. This neighbor who called them the perfect family. And I wish my family was like that. My kids are pieces of shit and theirs are nice and all that sort of thing. His wife's so much hotter than mine. Yeah, his wife's hotter with that leg tattoo. Yeah.

Ass falling out of her shorts. Man, look at that. This neighbor said that Chris started to drink more heavily than she'd ever seen. Usually he stopped at one or two beers, just social, you know, with dinner or whatever. But that night he pulled out a big bottle of hard liquor saying that he'd, you know, gotten it recently and he was going to try it out. This bottle. Tying it on tonight. Tying it on.

Sherry, the neighbor said, was quiet and she was also drinking more than usual so they're both tying one on i guess she asked for another corona asked chris for another corona i don't know if he was closer to the fridge or what chris snapped quote get off your ass and get it yourself you lazy bitch which is i guarantee you not what everyone expected me to say right there he didn't say yes dear anything for you my love anything anybody else need anything he said get off your ass and get it yourself you lazy bitch that's what he chose to say doesn't go over well that's it that's a conversation starter yeah and the neighbors are like well start looking at their watches what time is it well we uh gotta get up real early in the morning don't

we so much for the perfect family wow they said in five years the neighbor had never heard him talk to her like that never seen them get drunk like this. It was a totally, totally weird thing. And she said her, this neighbor said her fiance nudged her, like, let's get going now. And both uncomfortable. They said, well, we're going to get going now. It's getting late. And they both took off. Exactly what I said.

So May 5th comes along now. May 5th. And Chris gets up, goes to a gym, gets the workout going, leaves his house about 545 p.m. or a.m., I'm sorry, morning. He makes his first call to Sherry at 5.43 when he's pulling away from the home. So we know exactly, he says, when he left. He said he's calling to wake her up when he left. Like, hey, she was still asleep in there.

He called her to wake her up. Later on, they're like, well, why didn't you just nudge her when you were in there? He's like, oh, I didn't. I don't know. I just usually it felt like calling her, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. Let her sleep. So he texted home.

She didn't answer on 543. She's like, oh, man, phone didn't wake her up. So he texted while he did his cardio. He said, are you awake? I know you quote. I know you was tired last night. Yeah, I was. I have about five minutes left on cardio. Then I'll you quote. I know you was tired last night. Yeah, he was. He was. I have about five minutes left on cardio.

Then I'll be home. And then again, he texted, hello, you up. And then another one time to get the kids up. And so he said he, you know, was there another about another 20 minutes, I guess, after the five minutes was over. So then he starts driving home and when he's five minutes from his house he calls his neighbor who is a detective detective barlow we've talked about before here six something in the morning yes six something in the morning he's five minutes from home right so he calls his neighbor then according to at&t who is a cell phone provider, he drove past the exit for his house and went

way north and then made another call and then turned around and came home. So he was gone for another while. He left, drove all the way up and turned around and made a phone call and came back. And he said that you know he was asking his neighbor to check in on him but he which is weird he said detective can you check on my wife she won't wake up you go check on her yeah and so then he doesn't doesn't go right home even though he's insanely worried about his wife that he needs a police officer to check on her he could have been home a police officer to check on her.

He could have been home in five minutes and checking on her. But this is a neighbor detective that he's never talked to? No, he knows the neighbor. It's his neighbor. That's why he has his phone number. He doesn't call the cops and they give him, oh, we'll put your neighbor on. He calls his neighbor. Have you called your neighbor yet?

Yeah, have you called your neighbor? That's the usual procedure. You call a neighbor, and then he calls the pastor, and then the pastor calls the cops. That's our usual procedure around these parts. So, no, he calls the neighbor. The neighbor says, okay, if he's going to do a welfare check, though, he gets officers in there and does it the right way. He's not going to just stroll over there and do a casual welfare check. So here is from the police report. This is Detective Justin Barlow, the neighbor.

After searching the first level of the house and finding no one, we went upstairs to the second story. As I walked up the stairs, I looked to my left and saw a white female lying on her stomach. She was naked, lying face down. Oh no!

He said, I yelled, Columbia Police! And she didn't move and um so i called for an ambulance obviously so the officer then at that point after he called for the ambulance he jumps in and tries to figure out if she's alive if she's unconscious yeah he's gonna try to roll her over and feel her her pulse and when he grabs her he noticed that she's already in rigor. She's already stiff. She's already stiff, which occurs within two to three hours usually. So he said, I attempted to roll her over in order to see her eyes and check for breathing.

I noticed when I lifted her shoulder, her head and neck moved also. It appeared rigor mortis had set in. I noticed the skin of her chest and head appeared purple. Oh, no. And he said it felt thick, he said, quote, like a dinosaur's skin, which I don't know how you would know what a dinosaur's skin feels like, but what you assume. Yeah.

So she's naked. Yeah, I've never seen a dinosaur. I don't think he's ever probably felt the skin. Whoa, that dinosaur skin's weird, ain't it? But all that color is from the blood settling on that side, right? Yeah, it's lividity from laying there, and it settles, the purple on that side, totally. So good call. So he said he didn't find a pulse at all, and he said she appeared locked and all that.

Yeah, she's gone. Yeah, she's in rigor, for Christ's sake, and not bringing her back. So he had shouted about that to the other officer. Then the other officer shouts back, quote, there were a total of three victims. Oh, God damn it. In other words, I just found two more, is what he just said. So Barlow writes in his report that he walked to the rear of an upstairs bedroom and, quote, saw a younger boy lying on his bed. This is terrible.

He said, I checked for a pulse on the younger boy but found none. I also noticed his face appeared slightly purple. So as they're doing this, noticing the kid's purple face, they hear Christopher Coleman yelling from the living room, from downstairs. He's yelling, what's going on? What's going on? So the officer walked downstairs, takes Chris out of the house, obviously. He can't be in there.

Sits him down and tells him everybody in there is dead. He said, he told him, quote, quote, I told him, hey, they didn't make it being the family which is a terrible way to learn about it they didn't make it yeah to make it through what surgery what are we talking about here like it's my house they didn't make it through the night what are we saying they didn't make it back yet where are we talking about so the detective said chris sat down in the driveway and started sobbing said he felt like he was going to throw up and then kind of curled up in the fetal position.

Okay. So the neighbor had been his neighbor for five years and he said this was the first time that Chris ever called him when he couldn't reach his wife. He never said, hey, can you go check my house for any reason? Hey, there's a thing. Oh, is that right? Even can you go pick up a package on my door? Nothing.

He's never called his neighbor for that before ever. Make sure porch pirates don't get my fucking water bottle that I just ordered. Yeah, I just ordered a new chainsaw and, you know, get some shit. Yeah, those hydroflasks are expensive. You know what I'm saying? So they said that the crime scene wasn't bloody,

but that didn't mean it was any less gruesome is what they said, which is absolutely true. She's found, like we said, naked down in bed. She's in rigor. The autopsy shows that she fought violently with her killer, leaving her with two black eyes as well. Oh, she had punched. She fought like a, which I mean, she's a fucking Air Force MP. She's not a, you know.

Yeah, that's a tough check. She's not a weak, you know, God, oh, don't touch me. She's going to be like, I'll punch you back, motherfucker. I know how to punch, so she's fine. She's got her ass out and short shorts and the dogs are listening. And she knows what's up. Sherry, they said Sherry was involved in an altercation before she was murdered. The two boys weren't.

Everybody was strangled to death. Oh, my God. Deep ligature, like from a rope around their necks, strangled them. That's how they died. All of them. All three. So if it gets a little weirder, if it couldn't get any grosser, it definitely gets weirder. Police investigating the murders found messages spray painted all over the walls of the home inside.

Oh, is that right? Oh, yeah. They all over the walls of the home inside oh is that right oh yeah they all over the place um they said that also they found in the garrett who's 11 here was covered in a white sheet with a red circle of spray paint and there was paint on his hand and arm as well we got on him they said that they go into gavin's room and they found him lying on his face near the wall with a spray-painted expletive on his sheets. On the sheets? On the sheets. Yeah, of a young child here.

Fuck you. We don't know that because we don't have the crime scene pictures. And I'm very happy we don't, as a matter of fact, here. And so is everyone at the Chicago Live show. I was thrilled that they didn't have to see pictures of dead children. matter of fact here and so is everyone at the chicago live show was thrilled that they didn't have to see pictures of dead children all three had purplish colored marks on their bodies were for lividity as well um the this is fucking terrible they said that this generally takes an hour to develop and doesn't get fully developed for eight hours they said gavin appeared to have

a clump of his mother's hair in the crook of his arm as well. So at one point they were together or something. She was trying to protect him. Maybe he was ripped away from her. And he's got a hold of it? Yeah, in the crook of his arm. So, you know, it's like in there. So they said it might have been possibly from the same cord used to strangle his mother.

That's what might have happened. it might have transferred that way they also these messages were fucking crazy one says you have paid they say um i saw you leave fuck you i'm always watching one says wow i saw you leave fuck you i'm always watching one says the one in the dining room wall says punished you've been punished punished the one that says you have paid they couldn't tell if it said whore paid or you have paid but it looks more like you have paid to me

you have paid whore I saw you fuck you I saw you leave fuck you I'm always watching you've been punished and other weird shit just written on the walls all around spray painted and red spray paint as well so the um they said that the they went to uh waterloo rural king which is a store here um it sounds like it says it sells like water beds in the middle of nowhere or something. Rural King?

Rural King, the king of the rural area. They said that they came into the store inquiring about red spray paint right away. They said they asked us about a lot of numbers, brands we carried, and how much we sold over a certain period. They confirmed they visited several stores in the area related to the investigation, but they wouldn't obviously talk about it right away. And they said that all three victims were strangled with a ligature, some kind of wire rope or cord. Jesus Christ. They said, according to Dr. Raj Nanduri, the autopsy was conducted and said the best

guess of time of death was between 3 and 5 a.m. Oh, she based that based on the rate at which bodies cooled and other factors like room temperature, number of people in the room, all those things. So they said that all three died from ligature strangulation, like I said, and between 3 and 5.

So right when he took off for the gym. Well, before. He didn't take off until 5.40. He wasn't in the driveway until 5.43. Back home? Yeah. He wasn't in the driveway till 543. Back home. Yeah. He wasn't leaving the driveway till 543. And these happen between three and five.

Oh, well, yeah, that's what the doctor's saying. So that's not good. People in this neighborhood freak the motherfucker out. As you can imagine, this is I mean, with the spray paint and the spray. I mean, they're like, oh, my God, this is like some satanic cult or a crazy serial killer or some shit. So they the murders were then linked to the threats to Joyce Meyer Industries. So they said at this point, the cops could be on a global search for suspects. Wow. Yeah. The the the major here involved in this.

The police officer said there was a lot of fear that there was somebody out there killing families and who was going to be next. So real Carmen Sandiego. That's what it is. You never know. Is it Rick Trevick? Who knows?

Maybe. So the town, like I said, real shaken here. One person here, Nick Pister. Pister. Oh, boy.

Pister. Barely knew her. P-I-S-S? P-I-S-T-O-R. Pister. Oh, boy. Pister, barely knew her. P-I-S-S? P-I-S-T-O-R, Pister. Oh, all right. He said, this touched an entire community. The neighbors were shocked. They saw the young boys playing touch football with their father in the front lawn.

These are little boys that everyone knows. Their close friend of Sherry's named Kathy said, you could just see the pain on everyone's face. It devastated the community. Sherry was a loving Kathy, said, you could just see the pain on everyone's face. It devastated the community. Sherry was a loving mother, loyal friend, and sister to me. My life's not the same. It put a hole in my heart. Now, Sherry's family, too. By the way, Sherry's family, extremely excessively like my family level of Italian.

They're really, her brother's name is Mario Di Ciccio. Hell yeah. So that's her brother's name. Sheio de chichio hell yeah so that's her brother's name she's got another brother named enzo i want to say her mother's got a big long italian name uh oh no her mother's name is her mother's name is angela which is my mother's name too so there you go it's all italian so uh the brother said this quote if we would have known for one millisecond she was in danger i would if i would have known for one millisecond she was in danger i would if i would have known for one millisecond she was in danger i'd have been down there i don't doubt that why didn't they tell me i had a sat outside for these motherfuckers what are you talking about you want to mess with my sister oh you would have gone crazy millisecond one millisecond she was in danger i come down and protect my sister right now right

now so angela the mother said it was impossible to accept the reality of what's happened angela said she grew up to be a beautiful person on the outside as well as on the inside they were uh they were her they were her world those boys they were her whole world she said garrett was quiet uh more of like a thinker he was the one you could tell by looking in his eyes that he was always thinking and gavin was very outgoing he was more like a social butterfly his personality is just like his mom's just like his mother's they said so um the detective said with sherry garrett and gavin i mean that's just that's what the motivation was for everybody. They killed an innocent woman and two kids. Somebody's got to fucking go down for this.

So let's do an investigation, shall we? Let's do that. All right. Columbia detective here said that they police found a latex gloves stained with what appeared to be red spray paint on it. stained with what appeared to be red spray paint on it along the median on the Illinois side of the Jefferson Barracks Bridge by members of the Major Case Squad. Holy shit. That's fanning out.

They found a glove. It was collected as evidence and obviously because it's got red spray paint on it. So they were looking for anything with red spray paint on it in the whole county. So threats as well. They're doing their best to pursue these leads on the threats they said that's our obviously our top lead all we got guy saying gonna kill your wife and family wife and family's dead so they get a search warrant here

um based on all this and they find out that um you know they there he had a that chris coleman by the way had a Facebook fan club. They found out what because he's the guy always standing next to Joyce. So some of the viewers have said, oh, the guy always next to Joyce, the guy, we love him. So, yeah, he had his own little fan club. Bailiff on fucking. Exactly. Yeah.

Like fucking. Yeah. He's like bull. If bull was. Yeah. So a staffer for Joyce Myers Industries told an investigator that Facebook group account titled something to the effect of fans of Joyce Meyers' bodyguard. They didn't even know his name. It was available until it was removed after the slaying because they didn't want any...

Fans of him. Of that guy. Fans of him. Of that guy. They looked into that and they said on September 19th they had a record on there from a Natalie Johnson, who's apparently one of the fans, asking about Coleman. And it was, does anyone know Chris's email address? I'd like to send him a note. So they're like, okay, that's good.

Let's start there. You know what I mean? Let's do that. There's somebody talking about emailing. Yeah. So an employee of Joyce Meyer Ministries said that they provided the police a list of names as well as photos of people that have threatened Coleman and other Joyce Meyer Industries employees or ministries. It's industries am I talking about? Who Coleman stated he believed could be responsible for the threats. So they're looking into this and they also,

they have to talk to Chris, obviously. Um, this is all the day of they're doing all this. I mean, this happens immediately. It's first 48. We got to find it now.

And where do we go? Well, they threatened him. Let's do that. That's where they go. They have to talk to Chris later on that day and they bring him in and sit him down. And it's in the,

in one of the interrogation rooms. They talked to everybody in there. And they said, how you doing? And he said, freezing. Freezing. And they said it wasn't really cold in there, but he said he was freezing. He had a short-sleeved shirt and some shorts on, but it still wasn't cold. They said, well, anything I can get for you?

You're freezing? And he said that, yeah, I'd love a blanket. You know what I mean? OK. So the cop says, you can see on the video where he's asking for a blanket because he said he's cold. And the only part of his body that he covers up are his arms. And they hand him a blanket. And he says, that'll work, won't it?

And Chris says, yeah, that's fine. As long as I can cover my arms, I'm freezing. Oh. And he covers his arms. And so they ask him a few questions about, you know, bullshit. They were poor building. You were in the service, right? What branch? Okay, yeah, yeah, me too.

My dad was in the Marines, all that shit. My brother's currently serving. Chris gives them. You're going to say, hey, right? Oh, 100%. Yeah, get your account going. Chris gives details of everything. He's speaking.

They said he was kind of passive for a guy who was a marine whose job was protecting people's lives he seemed pretty passive and pretty and he does he seems really you can see it's on youtube his interrogation or whatever you want to call it he's just kind of passage passive and whatever um so they ask about the morning he says he got up at 5 30 went to the bathroom got dressed and left he said as he drove away he called Sherry to wake her up to get her going. And she didn't answer, of course, was her exact quote. Then he says, so I went to the gym. I called her again on the way back and she didn't respond.

And that's when I called you. So he says, you know, he was on. He said he was home. They said, what happened the day before? He goes, we were home, ran a couple errands, picked up the kids from school, played catch with Garrett, and waited on Sherry to get home. She got off work at 4, and then she actually made dinner. Pasta and chicken, and she cut up some kind of pizza and mixed it all together. It's a very weird meal.

Cut up pizza? I never heard of cutting up pizza and putting it in. Whatever. I mean, maybe it's good. The Midwest, they'll make a casserole at anything over there. Yeah, yeah. They really will. We'll bake some shit together.

Put it all together and bake it. Put some cheese on it to bind it, and then it's great. Put it at $3.75. And he said that quote, it's pretty good, actually. He was laughing. He goes, pretty good. He said after dinner, they all walked up to the snow cone stand. That sounds very nice, small townie.

And Chris played catch with Gavin. Then after that, he said, I went to Zach's gym and I came back and helped put the kids to bed. And then Sherry put a steroid cream on his poison ivy. And Chris listened to Garrett say his prayers. He says, and then he and Sherry watch TV. They watched most of the movie batman returns oh that's uh this they're watching it in 2008 but this is the this is the what 1992 batman returns it's the second one with danny devito and michael keaton and all that shit so michelle

pfeiffer yeah catwoman there so um he said they watched. Batman returns and then, quote, she fell asleep in my arms on the couch. So it's at this point where they can see his arms a little bit and they start asking, hey, what's with the scratches and red marks on your arms? What's that all about? And he says, I think it was when I was the gurney in the ambulance. I think I was hitting the pillow. Hitting the pillow and you scratched your arms on a gurney. That's weird.

They ask him about his job and he speaks pridefully. He says she's on TV in 37 languages in three quarters of the world. Oh, Joyce. Great. That's good. We're worried about your dead wife right now. Kids. People like that. He tells them about, let me tell you how great she is. Boy, that's good. We're worried about your dead wife right now. Kids, people like that. My boss.

Yeah. He tells them about, let me tell you how great she is. Boy, that's Joyce. He also tells them about the security surveillance company that he's just started, Executive Innovations. But he doesn't mention that he has his own security camera, which is downstairs pointed at the basement door. So he's trying to talk to the cops, and they said, we've tracked down people across the country who didn't like Joyce Meyer. We interviewed them to find out where they were on May 4th and May 5th,

and they said, you know, maybe you can point us in the right direction. So they said to Chris, who do you suspect? Yeah. I mean, you're a security guy. You've got to know. Out of all these emails and things you've been talking at work, and there's got to be one person that stands out in your mind. At least one.

Chris says, I don't have a clue. I should have been there this morning. I should have been there. The worst security guard ever. Yeah, Joyce is safe, but not my kids. So then they notice that he has not asked one very specific question it's been over an hour you notice one question i haven't mentioned that you might want to know if you never if you didn't get to get in the house and see what happened how are they how did they die oh yeah that too

there's what happened to them he never asks how are they dead just they're dead i guess they're dead doesn't say where they shot where they stabbed where they strangled fucking oh yeah because he's heard they didn't make it that's all he's heard they didn't make it not make it and now he's here so he says i have no idea if they ask him how do you think they died yeah and he says i have no idea you guys haven't told me oh let's play this game? Yeah. Well, it's like, yeah, that's telling him you should have asked already.

Yeah. And they said, okay, do you have any clues? And he just went, I don't know. Not really. The transcript says mumbles. That's literally what the transcript says. Mumbles. Actually mumbled. Actually mumbled.

So they asked if there's any dna at the scene that could implicate him and um yeah the detective said i'll just that's what chris said why is there dna saying i did something and they said i'll just say there wasn't any dna found that didn't belong there no boogeyman no unidentified d, nothing like that. Yeah, they didn't find anything like that. He still, he never had asked, still doesn't know how they died. So they, later on, the detective who's his neighbor said, just the lack of reaction. I mean, the lack of curiosity of what's going on, of what the fuck would that any human being would ask here. Other things here, they found a basement window open when all the other windows unlocked

in the basement meanwhile he's got death threats coming from everywhere from a man who knows where he lives who has dropped off two fucking messages at his house threatening to kill his wife wide open the whole basement open yeah so the cop said major jeff connor said here's a guy whose family is being threatened they're going to destroy his family while he's gone and yet that window's left unlocked and it was obvious it was left unlocked because there's no forced entry so they said what about the camera that he installed downstairs and um they said that one wasn't working they couldn't find the recorder it was missing someone took the recorder part of it so no no way. They said, well, what about the neighbor's camera across the street? He's got it.

And they said, we saw no strangers walking up and down the street. No vehicles. No strange people. No strange vehicles. They parked a ways away and teleported there. It's amazing. No, no, Jimmy. They tunneled in.

Yeah. They tunneled in from, youed in from God knows where. It could be from anywhere. These could be Chinese agents. We have no idea. These could be Chinese military agents. They slam in. They fucking dug their way through the earth, and here they are.

You don't know anything here. Yeah. So forensic scientists for the Illinois State Police wanted a basement window seized that was found open and presumed to be the killer's entry point. And they said they wanted to determine if the window was operating properly or if it fell open or whatever. So they asked later on the detective, when did you first notice the scratches on his arms? Right. And he said, it was brought to my attention by people at the scene. And he said, yeah, he asked for a blanket.

He said, I don't remember the interview room being very warm, you know, for him to ask for a blanket. They go, well, maybe. They said, well, maybe, or being very, I don't remember. Oh, I remember it being very warm in there is what he says. And they said, do you think he was in shock, like shivering? And he said, no, he was fine. You know, not at all do you think he was in shock like shivering and he said no he was fine you know not at all no he's in bullshit so then they ask him again and he goes you know what now i know what the scratch is i was removing a satellite dish from the roof yesterday and i

must have got scratched on the you know yeah you know you get up there and trees and i got in a fight with a raccoon up there you know at first i didn't know yeah so i just made something up now i remember i remember family of raccoons was living in there i had to fight them off And I got in a fight with a raccoon up there. You know, at first I didn't know. Yeah. So I just made something up. Now I remember. I remember family of raccoons was living in there. I had to fight them off. You know, it goes. So the police said, was there a problem with your relationship? Was there anything currently that wasn't going so well in your relationship?

Chris says, no, not really. I mean, just a communication thing. Okay. So that's just a little bit you left out there. What communication? He said, the sergeant said, have you seen anyone else outside of your wife? Oh. And Chris says, what do you mean?

I think you know exactly what we mean, Chris. I don't think it's very hard. I wouldn't even have answered that. I would have been like, seriously, bro? Fuck out of here. So the cop says, in a romantic way. And Chris says, no, no, no, not at all. Not having any relationships outside of his marriage.

Absolutely not. Then, out of nowhere, he goes, no, absolutely not. No, no, no. Kind of trails off. They're about to ask another question. And then he says, quote, Tara in Florida, you guys are going to talk to. I talked to her a ton lately, but, you know, and trailed off. And they're like, who's that now?

Yeah. Say one more time. One more time. And the sergeant goes, and what's with that? And Chris said, just a friend, somebody to talk to, you know. And Tara is Tara Lintz, who is Sherry's best friend from high school and the dog track waitress. Dollhouse dog, yeah. Yeah.

So the sergeant said, okay, you said you had a close friendship, but you were actually, but were you actually doing anything that you felt wouldn't be approved by your wife? Yeah. Were you actually doing anything that you felt wouldn't be approved by your wife? Yeah. I know you know her, but would your wife – could you sit in the living room and have the same conversation with this chick with your wife sitting next to you or not? Wearing the same amount of clothing. Yeah. By the way, gentlemen and ladies too, I guess, that's how you know you're doing something wrong. That's how you know that you're crossing the line as far as that goes is if you go, she wouldn't like that.

I shouldn't be doing that. If I didn't have this amount of clothes on. Yeah. Jesus Christ. He said, quote, some of the conversations probably. Oh? That's not good. Some of the choice of words?

Some of their conversations they've been having, I guess maybe Sherry wouldn't have liked. He insisted, though, we're just friends. He said, I met her through Sherry when our family went to Florida on vacation. We went and saw Tara and that's how we did it. And Chris tells detectives, I just like talking to her because her personality is, quote, the same as Sherry's. She's never pushy about anything. Never pushy about anything? What does that mean? Well, then he admits to quote a little sexy phone flirtation but definitely not an affair or anything like that so the sergeant said did it

have potential to go further and he said no i didn't want to do that to my kids absolutely not so then his neighbor who's also goes to church with him and is quite a devout Christian as well, the detective, he says, quote, believing what we believe in. Now we're in this together. We're, you know, help a fellow brother in Christ out here. Believing what we believe in, knowing we can be forgiven for the sins we do. We, we, we. Not you. We.

What do you think should happen to whoever did this which is what they always if they ask you that that means they think you're guilty by the way what do you think yeah that means the punishment should be what he said chris said he should be put away oh yeah okay um then they said is there any way you think this person who did it maybe has an explanation? Which is another thing to give because if the guy is soft to that, the answer should be, fucking explanation. My fucking kids and wife are dead. I don't give a fuck about his explanation.

I'll stick his explanation up his fucking ass. Ask Mario DiCiccio what the explanation could be and that's what you're going to get out of him. Which one is going to make him feel all better? Chris says, quote, I'm sure they have an explanation. Oh, boy, what? Which is not a good thing to say. Cops are like, wow, we're trying to give you outs, and you just keep putting yourself back in. We open a door, you slam it shut.

What the fuck, man? I want to stay in here. I want to stay in here i want to stay in the love it in here stay in the suspicion box this is my favorite place me and my blanket i feel my blankie i feel very secure um then the other cop says do you think you've been 100 honest with us do you think he said yeah yeah i did my best with it again not the answer when your wife and children have been murdered you say fuck yeah absolutely anything else you need to know i'll be out in the waiting room coming back in here every 10 minutes asking you if you found anything yet because i have

nothing better to do because my family's dead you know what i mean i'm gonna go out there and speculate and bring every fucking crazy thought i have right back to you i'll be doing that i'm gonna talk to people. I'll be back. Don't worry. Me, Mario, all of his cousins, we're all going to round up a squad and we're going to go find this motherfucker. That's what we'd be doing. But instead, I did my best with it.

Did my best. Okay. So he insists Sherry was alive when he left home. The one cop says, what would you say if i told you i don't think she was alive when you left oh he said quote i don't know what i don't know what to tell you i mean i think she was i mean she was she was lying she was laying right beside me wow they said do you think we have the resources and capacity to determine time of death? I was trying to scare him, and he goes, yeah, definitely.

I see it on TV all the time. I watch Dateline a lot. Meanwhile, it's not an exact science, but it's closer than he thinks it is, I think. So, yeah, he is left alone. They go out, you know, cops go in and out of interrogation rooms half the time just to see what the guy's going to do in there. Right. They walk out of the interrogation room leave him alone soon as they get out the door this is fucking amazing he fucking grabs their interview notes from the chair and starts looking

through them oh really his interview notes of him he's trying to see what they think of him oh boy which is again not a good sign to see how he's. And they're watching him on video doing this the whole fucking time. Like, look at him. He's going through our notes now, this fucking idiot. Look at him. By the time the detectives come back in, he's just back where he was. Notes are back where they were. And he's sitting there like nothing happened.

There's a camera in the room. And when they sit down, they tell you, we are recording this video and sound. He has no idea. You see people in interrogation rooms do this shit all the time do things they don't want the cops to see them do when they leave the room knowing they're being fucking videotaped it's crazy yeah it feels like they uh they just help it in in the heat of the uh pressure they forget i don't know what it is or that they won't see this they're not looking right now they're that guess, maybe, that they have to take a chance.

What about the guy that fucking confessed while he was taking a piss? Yeah. You know what I mean? At some point, you just forget that because once the pressure's off, I'm not talking to anybody in particular. This thing, this mic, it's different. It's not the same. They have 19, and they put an extra bet down and said, hit me. Hope I get a two.

Let's go. That's all they do. So he's seated again. So then the cop says, so you're saying some madman sat in the shadows and watched for you to leave and then entered the house. And Chris said, that's the only thing I can assume. Yeah, that's what happened. They leave again. Chris is sobbing.

He leans forward, head in his hands, crying. He reaches for his water and then sits up straight and gives a big sigh. And he can hear the cops talking in the hallway like they're about to come back in. And he puts his jacket across the front of his body, covering his arms, and he waits. Okay. back in and he puts his jacket across the front of his body covering his arms and he waits okay now what he's not saying is what actually happened is that sherry found out that he was having an affair with tara in reality she found out she even sent a very sad text message to one of her friends in december saying chris a divorce. So we've known about this for a while. We've known about this for a while, but they're very private

because they don't want to spread rumors in church and all that. So Sherry found out this is from her friend said that Sherry opened up her computer one night with a friend and said, do you want to see the woman who's having an affair with my husband? And then showed images of Tara.

Uh-oh. At that point. But Sherry refused to get a divorce. She told her friend Kathy that she would not get a divorce. When he came home demanding a divorce, she told her friend that if anything happened to her, Chris did it. Okay. That's not good to have that floating over you. So they sent a subpoena to AT&T showing that Chris Coleman called his wife's cell phone at 544.

One minute after the surveillance video captured him leaving his home to go to the gym, he called his wife's phone three times after that, left text messages and all that. They have that. They have him driving past the exit and coming back after he called for the check. Then they go down to St. Petersburg and have a little ch chit chat with tara to see what's going on here yes they check her out yeah and tara has a bit of a different story than he does what's her story well her story said it was quote so we went from the station oh this is the cop so we went from the station to go make contact with her thinking it was going to be a quick 20 minute interview and it ended up being very different we had dinner yeah we had a lot more than that we had dinner we had a dessert later

on some breakfast the next morning apparently they gained a lot from lintz about this uh totally different lintz said that not only were they having an affair but that coleman had promised her that the that his divorce from shry would be final by June 14th. Oh, he's got a hard out. Hard out because they're getting married right after that. He and Tara. Oh, my. Oh, yeah.

The relationship started several weeks after they went down to Florida after that. Apparently, Tara does say to police that Coleman told her that he did not commit the homicides and that he has an alibi. So that's what he told me. And she provided the BlackBerry and the laptop computer that had files, videos, emails, text messages, all relating to their relationship, proving everything. They talked about getting his vasectomy reversed or drawing sperm from his body so they could have children even you can't i don't think you can draw you can i don't know if you can draw sperm i don't know if that works or not i'm not a doctor i don't know but you can get a vasectomy reversal just doesn't work all the time right they go somewhere but your body reabsorbs them

so i don't think so i don't know if you can get a little reservoir. I don't know if you can harvest them. Jesus. Harvest my sperm. Good Lord. So that's what she said. They said that they were doing that. They wanted to have children because they were getting married.

Yeah, it's time. Tara had been looking for rings and registering at wedding registration websites. That's how far this has gone. Oh, they are so far down the rabbit hole. Yes, and she used an online service as well. Tara did look for like Zillow to look for a home in the St. Louis area for sale

for her and Chris. So he could see the kids and, you know, go back and forth. Yeah. The cops said they were constantly contacting each other by phone, phone text or instant messages they would often send photos and videos of a graphic and sexually explicit explicit nature back and forth to each other oh oh yeah um these are all of this shit so some more shit they found out was that oh my god this is fucking crazy so sh So Sherry, I guess a few months before this happened, right before Chris asked for a divorce, Sherry went in to talk to Joyce Myers to try to save her relationship.

She wanted Joyce to help? Counseling, basically. Can you help me? And plus, you're my husband's employer. Could you please fix this? Yeah. Sherry said that Chris had beat her up several months before that as well like during this time so yeah joyce didn't do shit about that by the way

according to this according to this allegedly i don't know but yeah didn't do shit so the they asked the detective later on when you found out about tara down there when you talked to her they said did you immediately call St. Louis and he said I did I said I'm not positive but I think this is his girlfriend I think so I think you might have something there so yeah at the funeral

of his wife and children which by the way the father Pastor Ron had a funeral for them at their church where they collected like money for stuff and all this type of shit, too. Yeah, grandpa, which is a little strange because the Sherry's family is not what they wanted, as we'll find out. Yeah, they just did it. So they're using this like as a fundraiser?

Yes, that's what they were saying. That's what the family will say later on. At the funeral, Chris is texting people. He sent a text message to tara and told her he loved her and missed her from the funeral oh from the funeral uh that is crazy she got yeah yeah coleman sent her text messages on may 8th and 9th the days of the wake and the funeral there also tara told police that she hadn't received a text message or a phone call from Chris since May 9th. You know, since the murders.

But detectives were unable to verify that statement because Tara had lost her cell phone while at Busch Gardens on June 3rd. So she couldn't tell him anything. She had the old BlackBerry because she had just gotten a new phone. She didn't have that shit, but she had her old BlackBerry for all that stuff. So now they bring Chris back back sit his ass down now they know a lot more information they talk to him about tara and the detective here this is his neighbor by the way who he's known for five years farlo called to ask yeah he said quote there's one thing i did want to tell you right now the st petersburg homicide unit is talking to Tara right now,

and she showed us the pictures you sent her of you two, and we know you two have been having an affair. Obviously. So now what is he going to say? They found out they began seeing each other in fall of 2008. Chris would fly her to meet him at locations where he was working with Joyce. They went on a Hawaiian fucking vacation together. They went to Arizona.

They went to all these different fucking places. He would just get her a plane ticket and she would meet him there. That's scummy. That is real scummy. So the detective said, I know you guys went to Hawaii together. We pulled the Enterprise leasing car receipt where you guys went on different trips together. And then they have pictures of them at dinner together in different outfits. Pulled the Enterprise leasing car receipt where you guys went on different trips together. And then they have pictures of them at dinner together in different outfits.

One, she's like biting his cheek and he's like giving her a look. Another one, they're kissing. And then it gets worse from there for him. Really? Anyway, he says, the cop says that we pulled them together and, you know, there were seats where you guys went on different trips together chris interrupts and says quote this is a great fucking quote quote well i didn't think it was an affair the detective says just in pure human reaction you didn't think it was an affair like you're fucking nuts chris chris then says maybe the

funniest thing anybody's ever said in small town murder history quote no an affair is when you're like living with them and you plan to get married and everything oh no that's called another relationship that's called a that's a moving on in another relationship that's a double life if you lead both of them parallel then you know that could be double life or that's that but when you live at home and tell your wife everything's fine and then fuck her friend and plan to marry her that's an affair an affair yeah that's absolutely an affair he's like oh wow i guess my vocabulary is bad geez i missed that day in the marines so they said that she had on her calendar a scheduled wedding day to chris coleman tara did the date picked date picked out scheduled vacations different accounts credit card accounts

that they held together they held credit cards together chris and tara i didn't know i didn't know that was a relationship dude you had i don't know that's an affair they have credit together man holy shit yeah you can ruin your children's lives yeah you could destroy them and the cop said i think that she honest to god believed that he was going to leave his wife and two children and be with her that's what she believed so chris said, well, we started, we talked about it a while back about possibly maybe splitting up or something, you know, he and Jerry, we started meeting with actually one of the pastors and the detective said from Joyce's church. And he said, yeah, things have been going awesome. He insisted him and his wife just had a few bumps in the road

and that counseling helped and everything's fine and it's all good. Now, meanwhile, her friend Kathy said, quote, she was in my room and she was crying and Chris wanted to leave her. And then he would start to say hurtful things like, I've never loved you. What the fuck? And she said, and he would put on a face in front of the marriage counselor. fuck and she said and he would put on a face in front of the marriage counselor and sherry said when he got back home he'd yell at her and you know there would be hell to pay for whatever was said in the counseling session right but why because he wanted to fucking marry this broad yeah so yeah they said that the major said quote it wasn't like we were wanting to believe that

chris is the one who did this it's just that the evidence kept pointing to him. Everything we found says it could only be Chris. By the way, that glove they found matched a box and I guess a lot number it would have matched of the, I don't know if not the lot number of the glove, but of the box of the certain amount that were made of a company of latex gloves that were found in a box at Joyce Meyer Ministries. Oh, no. Yeah. In the security office, by the way,

not just like, you know, in a bathroom or in his office. He took gloves from work. Yep. He had a master key to that office. So anytime he wants. Oh, the rope. Yeah. Oh, the rope.

Detectives find an orange piece of twine with a noose tied on one end near the Jefferson Barracks Bridge, right by where they found the glove, that resembled exactly the twine used to tie four bales of straw found in the Coleman's backyard. Wow. Yeah. Jesus, man. They also request a warrant for the body of Chris Coleman here, for his fluids, hairs, tissues, whatever the fuck, or any evidence that spray paint was used by the subject. Yeah.

So the police took two swabbing of his right hand and noticed a reddish injury to his right forearm, two scratches to his right forearm, and they also take handwriting samples from him. He's like, oh, I'll happily give you whatever you need. What they find, though, there's a travel bag in his car that contains his wallet. Inside of his wallet is a receipt dated July 29th from Home Depot for the purchase of spray paint. What did he get?

What kind? We don't know the color. It's not on there, but they have this spray paint. So he bought spray paint, and he kept the receipt in his wallet. So this guy, by the way, we said this during the live show, he really went from one thing to he really edged himself into chris watts territory pretty fucking fast here yeah he's reminding me of a chris and it's the wrong chris as it's the exact same story exactly uh having an affair how did the chris

watts story become is it because of the disposal it has to be because of the disposal and maybe the fact that there was – it was a few years later, so there was more cameras places. Like they have the guy when he's – The last photo of her. They got that. They got – yeah, they have like the next door neighbor's surveillance footage when they're talking to him. They got Chris saying sweet. Sweet, yeah. There's so many times during that where you can just see oh

shit he's in a lot of trouble here and it's coming up so i think maybe that's it or i don't know two little girls they were younger the boys were like a lot but the boys were so little and cute too they were like 11 and 9 right tiny little guys i guess if you're under five maybe that's it i don't know what it is is it the peanut allergy is it the fucking pictures is that because there's so many pictures of them on social media because she documented so much of herself with those girls meanwhile sherry took all her shit down off facebook before this so maybe that's why i'm not sure but it's a very good question though what's the difference i don't know what's the difference between this and that because it's the exact same story maybe scummier i don't know it's pretty fucking

gross i don't know if you that i think they're equal levels of scum probably we just know so much more about what chris did yeah yeah well christ we know what he this guy did but it was just the other chris the other chris yeah yeah they're both chris's yeah yeah that's the other crazy part that's it they're both chris they're the same they're like the same age they're the same if you look at them they're the same type of guy when you look at them They're the same. They're like the same age. They're the same. If you look at them, they're the same type of guy. When you look at them, they're the same type of guy. Douchebag. It's the same cat.

It's real weird. So, again, now they find because he's like, no, I mean, we I talked to her. But, you know, affairs, that seems crazy. So then the cops found explicit videos made by Chris sent to Tara. One. Wow. found explicit videos made by chris sent to tara uh one uh wow they found it on videos on laptops and blackberries here oh no in one video chris is naked uh-huh telling tara that he loves her okay in another video which i mean hey you know what awesome god is love i guess and if you're a religious person you love people remember brother love from wrestling he loved people maybe that's what it was but if you're naked when you do it it makes it a little weirder

i'm gonna spread god's pure love from my cock i need you to see my hairy balls as I say, I love you. Oh, it's a God Bukkake, everybody. Come gather around. Yeah. So he's naked in another video. He's just in the shower masturbating. He just set the camera up and was like, watch me jerk it in the shower, chief. Oh, that's no good. And she's like, yeah.

Give me some more of that shower jerking. Oh, show me you tugging. Give me some more of that shower jerking. Show me you tugging. Give me some tugging. There's a community of mutual masturbators. That's an interesting thing. Well, if they're real into each other, that's whatever. But yeah, that's what she wanted him to do maybe. So he's also narrating a video as he tours a Hawaii hotel room with Tara.

They're both in the video. You can hear her. He videotapes the bathroom and then points it in the shower and says, yeah, this is where me and Tara were fucking last night. Oh my God. Who is he telling this to? Number one. Right. Who's this for? They know they fucked in there. Uh-huh. And then her

voice chimed in and said, we're being bad in Hawaii. We're in Hawaii being bad. Oh my God. They're both naked in this video, we're being bad in Hawaii. We're in Hawaii being bad. Oh, my God. They're both naked in this video, by the way. Just walking around naked. Just walking around. Swinging. Just swinging.

Balls drooping back and forth. Coleman's Blackberry, Chris's Blackberry, has tons of notes about Tara. Oh? Notes like, this is wild. Her bra and panty sizes. What kind of food she likes or dislikes. This is why guys can't be fucking more than one woman, correctly, because we can only remember this about one person. This is the problem.

We need to start writing stuff down. Now you're asking for trouble. Stop. Stop. Why do you? Yeah, these are all very easy to remember things. Oh, man. They said her bra and panty sizes, what kind of food she liked or disliked, her jewelry preferences, her dog Gizmo's birthday, and what they're going to name their daughter when they have one.

Which, by the way, in case you're curious, is Zoe Lynn Coleman. Yikes. There you go. If you love this woman, you should know all of those things but when you have a wife and two kids and a job and all this that's what i mean i'll mix it up you don't have the brain capacity for this so that is why you shouldn't be doing this because it's very difficult to keep all that up i would assume that's hard so sherry's friends here said that sherry had confided to them that her husband believed that she and her sons were holding him back in his job he could be much more successful if it wasn't for my pain in the ass family sure yeah that's what he said um and he said that he planned

when they talked about a divorce he said but we can't get a divorce because if i get a divorce i'll get fired that doesn't go with the with the ministry here, having a divorced guy stand next to Joyce, even though she's divorced. So a whole other issue, though. Right? I mean, come on. So one of the friends said she told him he was tired of her keeping him from God's destiny in life. I'm tired of keeping you from God's destiny, Chris. Spread your wings and fly.

I will. Right down to St. Petersburg to fuck your dog track waitress best friend. Jesus Christ. From her other shift at the dollhouse. Another friend here, Jessica Wade, said that while she was staying with the Coleman's

over Christmas 2008, this is just a few months before the killings there. Sherry talked about the affair that Chris was having and showed her Tara on the notebook there on the computer. So a youth minister at St. Louis's Destiny Church that they go to said that Sherry tried to salvage her marriage. She told him, I'm not giving up. I love Chris way too much. This seems like a horrible dream. Everybody knows about their marital problems, it seems like. It's wild.

It's insane how many people are very well aware of what's happening behind closed doors. Friends, pastors, church people. This is crazy. So then she said that Kathy LaPlance, her one friend, said that she was visiting the Coleman's the weekend before the murders took place. And she noticed Sherry had changed her relationship status because she had put up another Facebook account, a different one, from married to single and had started using her maiden name on there. Oh. So something was going on. her maiden name on there oh so something was going on um she said that uh chris interrupted their conversation and authoritatively said we will not talk about that tonight and that was the

end of it um and then she said also if anything happens to me chris did it right yeah so the neighbor that said they were the perfect family said that i guess that chris had talked of their marital problems back as december 2008 all the way back when that girl was there, when her friend was there and she was showing her the pictures on the laptop. They said that it was it was tradition for their older son, Garrett, to come over for her son's birthday. But he didn't come in May 2009, saying, quote, Dad said it's not a good night tonight. That was the night before they were killed. They were found the next morning. So he might have thought Garrett might ask to spend the night over there,

and that would be bad because then leave one live kid over here. That's not going to work. No, I got to keep it. Yeah. His parents, though, Pastor Ron and Pastor Ron's wife Connie here, Pastor Mom and Dad, they were stunned to learn that their son had an affair. Never mind that he killed his wife and kids. He had an affair?

Why is sex such a thing? And they insisted he had nothing to do with the murders. Oh. He didn't do it, and I'm shocked that he had an affair. Yeah. That's the thing. The sex is the bad part. Not that he had an affair yeah that's the thing the sex is the bad part not that he killed his two kids so weird very weird connie said he's always been a real gentle person kind of quiet it's crazy so they said is there any way that there's part of chris

that you don't know maybe that could have been capable of this yeah pastor on is there anything in the universe you don't know no he's in's in the business of saying, I know shit that's unknowable. So he said, not in my view. You couldn't put something up around your kid. You couldn't put something around your kid's throat unless you're a monster. It's just not there. It's just not there. Chris isn't a monster.

Okay. So he's got to be a monster to be able to have done that yeah i know that kid he's not a monster so that obviously acquitted we're good yeah let's say this keep looking you you got you need any more answers to any more questions you come to pastor on i'm the guy wow so you come to the preacher man you come to the preacher, man. I got you covered, babe. So the search of the house, the cops also recovered two guns, bullets, several prepaid cell phones from inside the home. You know, burner phones you'd have if you were having an affair. A BlackBerry, digital cameras, and computer equipment from the home as well where they got a bunch of videos off of. of recovered from the basement office was a sealed envelope containing sales orders for Coleman's company,

executive innovations, as well as letters written by inmates to Joyce Myers. They also look into, uh, took it into evidence. Tickets to Disneyland found laying on Chris Coleman's desk in the basement office. Okay.

Now people start to turn on Chris a little bit here. Oh boy. Oh yeah. The day, any sympathy that he had as soon as word spread that he was fucking Tara, Okay. Now people start to turn on Chris a little bit here. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. Any sympathy that he had, as soon as word spread that he was fucking Tara, every church person dropped him like that. They hate him now. Everybody that was his friends that were like, oh, no, he's innocent. He had an affair.

Done. Kathy, the neighbor, said, well, when the affair came out and I had no idea, I had just heard about it from someone else. I feel like every day I was just getting stabbed in the heart by these little pieces of information. They said that they asked one of the people, do you think that he'll be arrested? And she says, yes, and I can't wait. I'm nervous, to be honest with you. The cops said, obviously, in any case, you want to get the person responsible for it, but you want to get the right person. So, yeah, they found, like

we said, all these fucking videos. The one cop said it was a serious affair. He had written down every, uh, her measurements, her favorite things, everything about her he had stored so he could, you know, buy her things or do whatever for her. Oh, boy. By November 5th of 2008, Chris had written on his computer about her he had stored so he could you know buy her things or do whatever for her oh boy by

november 5th of 2008 chris had written on his computer that that was the day that tara had changed his life so that was it so they said and how many days after that did the threat starts to start to show up at his house you know i'll kill you all that shit nine days later oh shit it took him nine days to come up with the scheme of. To come up with how to figure this out and fix it. Yeah, which will be some stranger wants to kill me. He's the one who killed my wife and kids. Easy, I'm good.

He already determined he was going to murder his entire family. In November. Otherwise, there's no reason to send threats that specifically threaten I'll kill your wife and kids if I can't get to them. That is un-fucking-believable. That is disgusting. That's dark. That's dark shit. I don't even think Chris Watts had that much planning.

No, that makes it worse. I think it was Bruce Burr of the moment. Oh, way worse. I think Chris did it right now. This is a monster. This is a fucking bigger monster by far. Absolutely. Like his dad said.

Yeah, because he would take a monster to planet ahead of time and do that. It's fucking wild. The Coleman's, though, still not buying it. Really? Still not buying it. Yep. They said that, quote, it's my understanding. Oh, this is an interviewer to his parents.

Quote, it's my understanding that he had written down November 5th, the day Tara changed my life. They had exchanged promise rings, and he had even written down the name of their first child were it to be a little girl. Is any of that true? And Ron said, that's not Chris. No, that's not what we asked.

It's not an answer. Again, were you honest with us? Did the best I could. Not an answer. Not an answer. Not an answer. That's not Chris. That's not Chris.

I don't care. Connie steps in and goes, honestly, I cannot imagine him doing that. He just didn't really operate in that arena of emotions. He just didn't. He was very calm and very logical sense. Well, guess what, Connie? You don't have to imagine it. He did it.

He did do it and especially you take okay you take a reasonable man yeah and you mix new pussy into that equation and shake it all up in a bottle it's gonna fizz like you just shook up a fucking coke you know what i mean it's gonna explode everywhere he doesn't that's a mentos in a coke that is a mentos and a coke that makes jizz come out somehow to leak out of the top of the bottle it's nuts they said that they believe he's innocent and that it was an intruder who killed his family and left those hateful messages okay so chris even voluntarily provided samples of his own handwriting why would he do that if he wasn't innocent they say well at that point, they got an expert

to say at the crime scene, probably the handwriting on the walls was his. That's what the guy said. It's probably. It's most likely his. I mean, it's hard to tell. A pen versus a crime one? Yeah, it's a different thing. But there's certain ways you make your letters, I guess, that you can tell.

Just make it bigger. Yeah, there's a U, especially, for some reason, that he has, a certain thing that he does with a U. just make it bigger yeah there's a u especially for some reason that he has a certain thing that he does with a u yeah it's no it's a thing he does down that they didn't like so now they said the crime scene lab coming back and saying that the handwriting found on the wall matches up to the handwriting from the handwriting example that chris coleman gave the columbia police department that's what detective barlow told the press now source of the threats where the fuck did all these threats come from right that Chris Coleman gave the Columbia Police Department. That's what Detective Barlow told the press. Now, source of the threats.

Where the fuck did all these threats come from? Right. Apparently, they were able to determine that the threatening messages sent to Christopher Coleman's work email at Joyce Meyer Industries actually were sent from a laptop computer supplied to Chris Coleman by Joyce Meyer Ministries. Oh, no. He sent it from another work computer. He's an idiot. He is not real bright. He's like BTK. Can they track that? No, we can't.

Wow. Here, have it. Investigators located the email address destroychris at gmail.com on the laptop according to the search documents. Jesus, he's dumb. Fuck Chris. This isn't even close to getting away with it bro on the same laptop they reported earlier that they had found a misspelling of the word

opportunities that was found in threatening emails and in a letter sent to robert drive and the word was spelled in different opportunities yeah opportunities and that's how he is yeah he had spelled it like that on several different things. Amazing. Two weeks after the murders, he is finally charged with the murders after they put all this together. So this is great. One of the cops said, quote, if it was another time, they would have had pitchforks and lanterns in their hands. They were out for vengeance.

They wanted the case solved, and they wanted it solved immediately. And they wanted him to be found guilty immediately. Meaning the community. They wanted his fucking blood, man. So, yeah, he said they asked the Ron Coleman, were you there when he was arrested? And Pastor Ron said, yes, it was at night. The worst scenario. We'd lost Garrett and Gavin and Sherry and now Chris is gone. Yep. So they they um wow they're

pissed off here now the kathy laplante lady the friend said quote i've talked to some of the moms and the children in the community and they wonder if their dad could do the same thing you got a bunch of people minding their p's and q's now yeah they got a bunch of kids going yes father yes father i'd love to mow the lawn father you got women going you need a blow job they give you a blow job quick what do you think best thing ever happened to me yeah guys like i'm listen i'm not gonna kill any of you they're like oh okay never mind then i love y'all but keep doing this yeah jesus christ wow and they said um it's all all over a woman here it's all it was all over this woman they arraign him and when they arraign him there's more than 25 people

outside the courthouse that just want to scream baby killer at him and murder and scream shit at him as he goes in the courtroom he He's got a vest on and everything. He looks like they bring him in like he's Tim McVeigh or something. He took down a federal building. Oh, yeah. They bring him in and they're yelling, baby killer, you son of a bitch. They finally got you, you bastard. People are hating him.

Yeah. He pleads not guilty. And, you know, he's ordered held without bail. Yeah. And as he's being brought out of the jail, one of the onlookers, in addition to shouting, they got you, you're a baby killer, blah, blah, blah. One shouted, hell's too good for you. The camera got that clear. He was like, Jesus.

How fucking Christian of you. Hell's too good for you. Thank you for your forgiveness. Thank you. Thank you. for you yeah that's thank you for your forgiveness thank you are you gonna read up on that thing that you uh that you claim to love so much they said no we put the old we put the new testament down for this shit we don't even look at it for this type of thing we go old school for this deal yeah now sherry's family they have a family spokesperson

who's a cousin of sherry's named Enrico Mirabelli is the cousin. God, they're so Italian. I love it. So Sherry's cousin, and he's the spokesperson for the family. By the way, we've got to pick a spokesperson because that's genius. How much does that family sound like they have their shit together if you say family? Streamline that shit. That's awesome.

Pick a spokesperson now in case you're murdered. You never know. Streamline the grief and anger. Leave it to one guy. It's very organized. I'm impressed. He said the arrest gives the family certain closure because one of the questions of who did it, we believe, has now been answered. He said this very Italian because one of the questions of who did it, we believe, has now been answered.

That's one way to say it. And it's very cute that they put him in a bulletproof vest like we won't put two behind the ear and walk the fuck away like we don't aim for the head i mean honestly he could survive one to the chat to the trunk what are we talking about i give a shit about that centimass that's not for us what do i a cop no i go we're getting we're doing for results here that little grape above his shoulders that's the one he said uh you can't make sense out of a senseless act and now we're left with the question of why it happened which may never be answered but that's an important question to sherry's family that's right so chris's attorney told reporters he's probably going to seek a change of venue from this county you know where there's people standing outside screaming for his

for his balls on a stick some very angry people that claim to be very loving that's the jury pool so we should probably leave is what i'm saying it's not he's doing hell's too good for you yeah jesus christ so the no bail for him the judge determined that the bail poses a real and present threat to the physical safety of any person right he's a piece of shit apparently he's being held without bail the case must be brought to trial within 90 days instead of the typical 120 days because he's being held without anything and if the case had not gone to trial within 90 days then bail has to be set at that point that's the law there so his lawyer says

my client maintains his innocence and we'll play this out in the judicial system okay okay all right chris here chris says that this is fucking funny it is after he's arrested and everything joyce myers fires him now oh yeah he's fired now yeah well this guy he resigned from his job after being told he had to or be fired for violating their quote morals policy oh apparently if you slaughter your family that's against their morals that That's immoral. That's immoral. Apparently beating your wife though, knocking her around when she came in and told you that's we all that. No,

no, that's, that's, that falls under moral. Apparently you kill everyone. Then it's not moral anymore. So, okay.

Uh, Joyce's ministry put out quote, this horrible tragedy has deeply saddened us all. Although, and although nothing can be done to compensate for the loss of this beautiful family, our ministry remains fully behind the diligent efforts of law enforcement of the law enforcement community. Yeah. OK. So people are pissed off.

A couple of people here they talked to. One is a woman from Waterloo, iowa and she says this is exactly what the death penalty was created for oh really this is why here yeah they said neighbors everybody people have mixed reactions though people said uh one here a neighbor said the first few days my heart told me there's no way he could have done this i'm completely and utterly shocked they said though when he was arrested, they said that first, he said he didn't want to convict Coleman before he's tried,

but that the arrest could help bring closure. He said it was definitely a sigh of relief when he was arrested. We needed that in this neighborhood. We need a good murder arrest scenario. Another neighbor said, I wasn't wanting to accuse him, and even now we've got to wait for all the evidence to come out.

I hope justice is served. It'll be up to a jury to decide. That's fair. That's fair. So another neighbor said, I'm just glad that it was fast and moved quick. We're all just relieved it's over with. It's not over with. It's just the arrest.

Not even close to over with. It's just starting. She also said this woman said that her 11-year-old daughter has not been able to sleep in two weeks since the murder. Since the murder. Same age as Garrett. Yeah. She said it's been very stressful. I'm hoping after this we can all move forward.

I'm hoping we can all move on as a community. And they said that they said the neighbor once said I also said I missed the noise of Garrett and Gavin the most. So it's sad. Sherry's. It's very sad. Shererry's family files a wrongful death suit against chris abso-fucking-lutely he's got a couple of bucks and they're gonna try to drain it before he uses it for legal purposes here so they uh they want to know whether donations to a church headed by Reverend Ron there are being used for the benefit of Chris, his legal fund. Are you taking money from the church and giving it to your son? That's what they're going for.

So he said he will not. Ron said he's not going to comment. He's the minister at the Grace Church Ministries in Chester, by the way, at the time. So they wouldn't comment. The testimony by Columbia Police Chief outlined evidence against Chris, and it so disturbed one donor to the bereavement fund. People made a bereavement fund through the church. That's gross. That's gross.

This guy, when he saw that, when he heard the testimony of what actually happened, this guy was so disturbed that he put a stop payment on the check that he sent. Wow. Yeah. No, he said not happy. Bereave nothing. Bereave your ass, you're bereaved, is what he said. Also, a wrongful death suit filed against Chris Coleman on behalf of Sherry's family.

And they said that this lawyer had told this donor about having collection baskets at the funeral. At the funeral. Wow. Wow. They said they want an accounting of collections taken on May 9th so they can say where they used it. We'll pass the basket around the family. Wow. Wow.

I'm really sad. Well, good. Give me 20 bucks then. That's they said put your money in the basket we were chagrined at this revelation that this fund and understand it's a sizable amount i wonder where that money went and whether it's being used to benefit christopher coleman which obviously you're not allowed to do yeah right um ronald coleman was asked to produce documents in connection with the wrongful debt suit, such as Christopher Coleman's income tax return, salary and benefit information, copies of his military discharge papers, and firearm owner's identification card. So no financial information is listed about what's taken in or what's going out in this church because it's a church and considered not required required to file tax returns with the internal revenue service so unbelievable might be could have gave that all the lawyer all the people sad about that those kids and that woman being dead could have been

paying for his fucking defense unbelievable disgusting so joyce meyer written request there went unanswered she she's like we made a statement um yeah i don't know um but they she had to give a bunch of documents over 400 pages in the wrongful death suit everything related to the work computers and all that she had to do that so they gave up all these documents including job evaluations employee handbook and all this type of shit here so there's some embarrassing shit in there oh yeah the prosecutor says this was a crime about greed sex selfishness and narcissism uh-huh check check check and check i would say fuck yeah that's good chris coleman decided he wanted a new life and his

family was in the way he was obviously a monster who carried out a very sadistic plan no shit um they have a prosecutor who spends two years building this case against him yeah the prosecutor said this was a huge case it was like a 10 000 piece puzzle so they said it was a big case for the local media as well um they ended up rather than rather than moving, the whole case, they just bring the jury in, which is the same thing they did for, I believe they did that with Casey Anthony too. Imported one, huh? I think they imported a jury in. Yeah. I think that's what they do.

A jury from Tampa they brought in. Here they bring a jury in and bus them in an hour and a half away, which I don't think is far enough away. No. In rural fucking Missouri or rural Illinois. You're going to have to get them from Alaska. Yeah, absolutely. They said, what was the biggest challenge for you as a prosecutor in the case? And the guy said, people who turn out to be jurors have to accept the fact that parents

kill their kids. It's just hard to accept. He just looks like a good guy. What? He looked on the outside. Besides the kids thing, you have to apparently, and jurors will say that too, they need extra to believe a parent killed their kid. Really? Because they have kids and they go, I could never kill my kid.

I don't understand that. Everybody's been in a relationship and been in a fight with someone where they'd be like, if I, if I could fucking strangle that person, even for half a second, you think if I could fucking strangle him and get away with, I swear to fucking God, I would. And then you go into whatever thing. Yeah.

But kids, they don't think I've, I've wanted to kill my kids. That's why they never thought about killing their kids. If they're, you know? Yeah. I mean,

I guess that, yeah, I guess that exists in some, but it's a lot of these jurors. I believe the shit out of it. I believe, well, obviously we do, because how many times have we seen it? These jurors who don't hear shit like this very often aren't big... They're not turkeys, is what it is.

The un-turkey-like jurors have no fucking function in this. All these non-turkeys. Non-turkeys. So they said, as unthinkable as it was, though, they turned up more evidence against him constantly. And, yeah, they said the prosecutor thought there was reasons that Chris wanted Sherry to be the one to divorce him. So that way he wouldn't lose his job. Say, my wife's leaving me.

He couldn't lose his job for his wife leaving him. That would just be sad. So if he files divorce, he looks like a dick and he'll get fired. Exactly. Has to wait for her to file it, which costs you more money. That's what it is. The prosecutor said, I believe he became so enraptured by Tara, but he couldn't get divorced in his own mind because then he'd lose his $100,000 a year job with Joyce Meyer Ministries. They frown on divorce if it's your fault.

That's the thing. If it's you. He can't say, I'm fucking this hot chick from Florida, so I'd like to get a divorce. Is that cool? They would have been like, no. But if he says, oh my God, my wife doesn't want to be married anymore, then it's sad. And they'll be like, we'll find you somebody else. Good news, I already did.

Already got somebody, as a matter of fact. They said if there would I guess they said that Coleman was he wanted to make a clean break before anybody caught on about the affair. They said if he would have been anything, if it would have been anything of an adulterous affair while he was still married, he would have definitely been his job would have definitely been affected. So why? Why do you do this? What what made this happen? And the prosecutor said, I think it was Tara pressing him. I think he got pushed into his own corner.

He put out a date, and the date was coming up, and there was no way he could meet that date. It's not her pushing him. It's him being an idiot. He said something. Exactly. He's agreeing to all this shit. It's what it is. But, I mean, she's saying, we're getting married on this day.

I have the registration. And he was like, oh, fuck. And she's like, you're going to be divorced on the 14th, right? And he said, absolutely. Coming up fast. He said they have wedding dates planned. Chris told Tara that he was serving Sherry with divorce papers on May 5th, the day of the homicides.

Uh-huh. That's when he said divorce papers were coming. They said, had he ever filed divorce papers none that we ever found no on both divorce papers in the form of a garrotte what a garrotte that way he could say i was gonna have her serve with divorce papers today but they were murdered isn't that sad now give me sympathy as well that's why he never even spoke to an attorney about a divorce by the way now it's at this point where a judge has to block sherry's family's request to have the remains of her and

her sons exhumed out of where they fucking were and reburied near where she's from in chicago and where the family is they want them up there they go why should the fucking murderer and his family have the kids and my my our daughter where daughter? Why does he get to pick? Yeah. So now they have to weigh arguments between his family and her family. Oh, boy. Relatives of Sherry and the two boys had hoped to disinter the remains from a cemetery in Chester, but it's been blocked by a judge. Just hours before the exhumation, a judge issued a temporary restraining order sought by Chris and his parents to halt the exhumation there.

They said it's hard to envision that a murderer can dictate to the victim's family where they must go see their loved ones, is what Enrico Mirabelli said. It's malicious. Yeah, he's an attorney, by the way, Enrico. That's why. Enrico Mirabelli, go to him. He'll take care of business i'm telling you right now he knows uh he said we find the coleman's actions simply adding insult to injury and we're confident the judge will reflect their position meaning his family's position so

they set a date um the relatives had been issued a permit and now the permit will run out because they've blocked it, so they'll have to get a whole other permit and all that kind of shit there. They said the legal dispute was the latest tangle. After the killings, Sherry's family got a court order that allowed them to bring the bodies to a Chicago-area memorial service before the remains were driven back to southwestern Illinois for burial. Driven back. An attorney for Chris Coleman and his parents said that his clients

have agreed to abandon any challenge to the exhumations and reburials if coleman loses the murder trial based on whether if they find him guilty you can have the kid the bodies if not then we're gonna fight if not then you can't do anything oh my god they said suppose he wins suppose he's found not guilty. What would happen if the bodies have already been moved to the Chicago area? Who cares? Now they're with her family. Jesus.

They said then they'd have to be disinterred a second time. That would be ludicrous and unnecessary. We're going to keep moving them back and forth? No. Just keep, yeah. What the fuck, man? Come on, do her. That's wild.

Yeah. What the fuck, man? That's wild. Christopher and his parents argued in court that they just want them to be able to rest in peace where they're at. Unless Christopher's is found guilty, then fine. So, wow. They called Coleman's 11th hour bid to block the reburials hurtful and disappointing, to say the least sherry coleman's family said they've been through this terrible murder endured the trial so far because it's coming up it's happening right now and did not really anticipate this response from the coleman's they said quote i guess the coleman's don't think we've suffered enough there's a certain amount of insensitivity to this that i cannot really comprehend this takes a lot of nerve is what he said yeah nerve is a good way to put balls the balls on these people the fucking sack on this fucking group incredible yeah so the trial comes around the defense their strategy is to block the handwriting experts okay so then they don't have physical evidence and all they have is chris had an affair that's it so if you don't prove he wrote the stuff on the walls and they can't prove that, then what are they really proving at this point?

So they said that there's a big motion about a reanalysis of scrawled handwriting on the walls and all this type of thing. There's 37 police photographs of the writing. They said what Mr. Moore is saying that there's some similarities which imply there's some differences as well, which basically render the findings totally inconclusive. That's the defense's thing. Some similarities mean some dissimilarities too. So it's over. 50% rain means 50% no rain. That's what I'm saying.

It comes out. Half full, half empty. What are we talking about? I don't know. Tell you what, though. Not this shit. Not conclusive. They said relevant evidence means evidence having tendency to make the existence of any fact that is of consequence to the determination of the action more probable or less probable than it would be without the evidence. Jesus Christ.

That's a motion that it says, actually. opening of this they hear here the detailed description of the crime scene crime scene photos projected onto a large screen of what they found including dead children oh my god they found the wife they found the kids that sherry's mother left the courtroom during this testimony and christopher's cult they said his face was flushed and he struggled to keep from crying but did not turn to look at the photos projected near him they made a model house of the house rather than taking the jurors to the house they made a tiny little model house and brought it in okay said here's where stuff happened so you could see this is where the bad man did the bad things yeah this is where he touched us so yeah it's fucking weird they did

it as an exact model that's kind of neat so they did detectives here they talked about while they were at the station they received a call to back up this one cop said he went over because barlow needed backup he testifies to you know i'm always watching it says leave it says punished all that kind of shit uh you have paid they said this is the guy who said he spotted Sherry first. And this is the thick skin of the dinosaur and all that. The pathologist testified about the autopsy, said her best guess of time of death, like I said, was between three to five. And they said that all three died from ligature strangulation.

Tara arrives to testify. OK. It's like a fucking big press is everywhere for this. Like she like paparazzi going in there flash bulbs going off so they've been hearing this whole trial other woman other woman he's got this other woman and then here she is actually the jury gets to see her and they said um this is one of the uh the reporters she arrived at the courthouse almost almost like a Hollywood star arriving somewhere. It was a packed courtroom gallery. She texted, she testified, they texted and talked all the time constantly. She said that they said, did you have plans to marry?

And she said the divorce had to happen first. They said, do you think they asked later on if they thought that tara had anything to do with the murders and all the prosecutors said no they didn't think she knew what the fuck was going on at all they said she didn't know that something was about to happen and they said not from any evidence i don't believe that and they would have charged her if they yeah i mean if they could have but while tara was on the stand she had to watch sexually explicit explicit videos she made and do all now is this you now you're saying he said put another finger in and you did now is that you he said tickle your butthole for me and is that whose whose titty is that is that that i believe that's your titty yes

it is okay your titty and i believe you believe it's a clockwise motion you're using. Everybody catch the clockwise motion she's using? There's a pinch. And her genitalia, you run it down and on back. There you go. Now get it on. That's the way you do it there. Everybody else getting horny?

All right, then. You were being what in Hawaii? What was that now? Bad? That's what I thought now. You know what we figure out in court? What was that now? Bad? That's what I thought now. You know what we figure out in court? Who's been bad? So, yeah, she testifies for about 30 minutes.

Yeah, that's awkward. That's all it is. Yep. She only looked at Coleman when the prosecutor asked her to identify him. They knew each other for more than a decade, but on November 5th, 2008, that was the day Tara changed my life. She said they first had sex in mid-December, right around the time he said,

we're getting a divorce to his wife. That was about the same time, by the way, Sherry had confided in Tara that she and her husband were no longer having sex so we haven't had sex in a long time so tara's like oh good then he's telling me the truth so i can fuck him you haven't had sex in a long time i just had sex last night that's crazy no wonder why he had so much in there wow i was covered in it so they they professed their loves they made photos and plans to marry like we said promise rings rings, blah, blah, blah.

They went to Arizona for a conference. They went to Hawaii for a conference. They went to other places. Lentz said that she didn't like the fact that the Coleman family was planning a trip to Disney World. She said, I'm sure I didn't care for it. I told him to cancel. What? Coleman told her that he would lose his deposit.

You know, it's damp. So she then got on the phone and pretended to be Sherry and called Disney customer service and pretended and got it postponed at least. So then maybe they could do that. So then Coleman and Tara booked a cruise together for June or July to St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. What? She made reservations and paid for it with their joint credit card.

This guy. Went to the Bahamas. Wow. St. Thomas? Are you fucking kidding me? Coleman talked about divorcing his wife. She said he told Lentz that he was having Sherry serve with divorce papers on May 4th, but there was a typo on his wife. She said he told Lentz that he was having Sherry serve with the divorce papers on May 4th.

But there was a typo on his wife's name. So then he was going to have her served on May 5th because they had to get all the papers retyped again. Now he's down to fucking the last day. There was a typo on the form. And so, shit, how do I do this? So they had spoken, by the way, the night of May 4th while he was working out at the gym. They exchanged texts when he came home. She said, I'm sure I told him good luck,

referring to, you know, talking to them about the divorce and all that kind of thing. Coleman's father called her on May 5th to tell her about the murders, and Chris texted her that day from the Columbia Police Department where he was being interrogated hours after the body was discovered.

Wow. Bodies. So eight days after the murder, she received a call from Coleman while she was at her parents' house waiting for major K-Squad detectives to arrive to question her. She told them police were on the way, and he said, quote, oh, really? Interesting. I would say. Fascinating. Wow. The defense say. Fascinating. Wow.

The defense attorneys come in here. And, yeah, defense attorney questions. Basically, defense attorney Jim Stern's questioning of Detective Barlow brought out a defense theory that Chris Coleman's brother, Keith, could be the suspect in the murders. Wow. Is Tara fucking him, too? Because if she's not, I doubt it. murders wow is tara fucking him too because if she's not i doubt it um keith coleman who lives in arkansas sent his brother listen to this send his brother two strangulation videos one of a dog and another in which a dying deer is strangled why did he send that i don't know that's sick and they're obviously i don't know what the fuck they're into or what. Far too close.

But that's still, yeah, he's, that does, there's no evidence he was here. So that's the problem with that though. After the trip started, Keith Coleman wanted to stay with his brother's family while Chris was out of town on ministry trips. He had offered, you've got threats. I'll stay with your family if you want while you're gone. Sherry Coleman did not want Keith at the house because she said she wasn wasn't comfortable with him so that must mean that he murdered the whole family so she saw some videos that he sends to the house that's it yep so he's weird they inquired about sherry coleman's life insurance uh keith coleman's ex-wife sold chris and sherry the policy there

they um yeah they asked all about that kind of shit so chris was the only name they said ever on their suspect list when they do that joyce meyer and her son have to testify as well closing arguments they said the most critical pieces of evidence are time of death obviously that's the big thing the bodies were stiff they had rigor mortis everything pointed to that they were dead by 3 o'clock in the morning. They said kind of that's the whole case. They said you can use – but the defense said you can use various formulas. The time of death is not an exact science.

He also said anyone that had access to his computer, whether it was a co-worker or anybody else, could have created that account. Sure, but the thing is it doesn't make it less time. It only would make it longer that they've been dead with the rigor mortis, which puts him even more guilty in the house. Sleeping next to a dead woman all night. Right. That's how it goes. The jurors now, talking to jurors later about this during deliberations, Gina West, who's a juror, said, I didn't want to believe that he could do that.

No, I wouldn't want to believe you. See what I mean? One juror said, quote, I cried myself to sleep. Absolutely unimaginable. I mean, there's just so much hate. It's just hatred spread everywhere. The first vote in the jury room was seven to five, not guilty. Wow.

Not guilty. But it wasn't because they didn't think that he did it. One said, I mean, we all thought he did it. Who else could have done it? But they said you wanted facts, factual, tangible evidence that he did it. And that's the CSI effect of on CSI. They tell you, here's all the scientific evidence. You don't have that. Meanwhile, 85 percent of murders are made with circumstantial evidence. That's just the way it works. So this juror said you wanted factual, tangible evidence that he did it. Make him prove it. No. Deliberations went into a second day.

It's fucking wild. Angela, the mom, said we will get justice for my daughter and my grandsons. I have what they call the mother instinct. I'm very confident. I talked to a couple of people. I know things. You only need his own words he said he left at a certain time she was clearly dead long before that done yeah end of story that's it

what no perfect fuck so they said the jurors said something in black and white in front of my face that said if he could lie about this he's lying about everything meaning the affair yeah he lied about the affair so the verdict after 15 hours of deliberation comes back guilty there's a huge crowd outside the courthouse that erupts and cheers and applause it's a giant it's like oj over here yeah uh the one guy from the courthouse that i had never seen anything like what happened on the lawn of the courthouse that night. Sentencing. Fuck. Sentencing comes around. You, sir, may fuck off life in prison, Chris. Hey, got him.

Suck on it. So Chris speaks to 48 Hours. He talks to Maureen Marr after this. He talks to 48 Hours like a fucking idiot. He can't be on camera, but he's on the phone. She said, did you kill your wife and children? And he said, no, no absolutely not i absolutely loved he said absolutely twice already lying i absolutely love my wife and kids and this you know it's not it's not me what's not you the behavior all of it killing geez she said how do you love your wife and be having an affair with one of her best friends?

He said, well, just because maybe I wasn't, you know, selfishly getting what I thought I should be getting at home from the physical side of things. But I still absolutely loved her. Yeah. Tara gets dirty. Tara's dirty. That's what it is. She'll do crazy shit. And, you know crazy shit, and his wife's a nice girl, and that's how he's looking at it. What if it's just a blowjob, and his wife doesn't do that?

It might be. It might be. Tara's like, put it in my ass, and he's like, yeah, I like to hear that. Who knows? We don't know. A little 69 shit. So he says that he was not going to divorce his wife to marry Tara. So Maureen Marr says, why does Tara say that?

And he says it was discussed on several different things. And, you know, it was a conversation, but there was no specific plans or dates or nobody asking each other to be married or anything like that. Well, they had promise rings. Maureen Marr says she also said you told her that you were serving divorce papers to Sherry. Chris says, you know, unfortunately unfortunately and i feel horrible about it if i ever talk to tara again that would be something i apologize to her about that was a lie i lied to tara about that we know we get it you lied about everything he's acting like oh i'll come clean so then they said if you didn't murder your family who in the god's green fucking earth did, you stupid liar?

Yeah. He said, quote, I have absolutely no clue. Believe me, I've racked my brain for two and a half years trying to figure that part out. I just had to stop and give it to God. Just release that and do my best to forgive that person and move on. Give it up to the big guy. Do my best to forgive that person and move on? Give it up to the big guy. Do my best to forgive that person and move on? You

cunt fuck. Okay. He goes to prison. He has to be moved to another state because everyone in Illinois wants to murder him. Literally. Everybody wants to kill him. He's a huge asshole. So he's brought to the Pontiac Correctional Center in Illinois at first but then moved to

Wapon in Wisconsin there. And he's going to be there at the Dodge Correctional Center in Illinois at first, but then moved to Waupun in Wisconsin there. And he's going to be there at the Dodge Correctional Institution. 2020, he appeals it, and the judge says, get the fuck out of my courtroom before I beat you with this gavel, you asshole. New trial denied. Fuck off. And all three bodies were finally originally laid to rest at the Evergreen Cemetery. They were later exhumed and taken to Sherry's home family's cemetery and buried with the rest of her family so they can see them. And that, everybody, is Columbia, Illinois.

And a crazy fucking story, if you've ever heard one. Disgusting. Chris Watts, part two. Actually, part one. He did it first. Yeah, it's the original Chris Watts. Chris Watts looked at this guy and said, I'm going to do it better. I could do it.

I could do it better. You got to get him out of the house. That's the problem. You know what I'm saying? You got to put him in an oil rig. That's why, because they were missing for a couple days. Yeah. That's why it was a big deal.

Yeah, that's why. Yep. Wife and family disappeared. The missing part that went into a murder, whereas this was just their home murdered. Defound murdered, yeah. If he dumped them in in the woods this would have been a giant story so if you like that story or damn it just the way we tell it because there's no way to like the story itself so it's disgusting get on whatever app you're listening on apple podcast audible this one that one and give us five stars and say something nice it really does help drive us up the charts you

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