Small Town Murder - #416 - The Incredible Disappearing Head - North Canton, Ohio

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

This week, in North Canton, Ohio, the paths of two very different people cross in a strange little trailer park. One of these people is an ex-Marine, turned hairdresser, with a long history of violence, and generally crazy behavior. The other is a self professed "Mama's Boy", who likes smoking, and paying for ladies. This all comes together, leaving someone headless, and with all their fingers cut off. The big surprise comes in finding out where the head went!Along the way, we find out that they have Italian festivals in Ohio, that people can have diverse talents, and that covering a headless body in paint isn't exactly going to hide the crime!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Here we go. Arms to the sky and let's all shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this. Jimmy, what do you say? Let's go on a trip here. We're going to Ohio this week. Oh. Hanging in the Midwest this week.

Yeah, we were in Illinois, and now we're going to be in Ohio. We were doing, like, cross-the-country things, and now we're going to keep it in the middle, and then next week is going to be as far away as you can possibly be. Great. It's a lot of fun. So this week we're going to North Canton, Ohio. Not Canton, Ohio, where the Football Hall of Fame is. A town outside of that, yeah, called North Canton,

which is, shockingly enough, north of Canton. That's where it is. It's a very strange, weird location for it. It's 25 minutes to Akron, Ohio, if you're going that way. About an hour to Cleveland, if you want to keep going. And then about two and a half hours over there near Columbus to our last episode which was in logan ohio which was blood on the corn which is uh it was a wild episode so this is in

stark county like john stark's but single or tony stark weather or stark weather one of those uh area code 303 population here 17,884 so a nice little town. That's right in the middle. Yeah, it's not a big town, not a tiny town. Right in the middle. Yeah, you get some stuff, but you're not going to have, you know. You're not going to have everything. You're not going to have everything. You're probably, maybe a mall, maybe.

You're going to compromise. A mall, but not multiple malls. No choice of mall. Median household income here, $62,303, which is higher than the national average because you can work in Akron and live here. That's how it works. Median home cost here, also low, $231,700 is the median home cost, which is way lower than the national average.

The motto of this place is they call themselves the Dogwood City. I hope they mean the tree. That's a tree, right? I really hope so. Not dog boners? Not a fucking red rocket. Let's hope so. Red dicks everywhere.

Red dicks all over town. History of this town, 1831. The community of North Canton begins as New Berlin. That's how it started. Oh. New Berlin because most of the residents here were German. So, New Berlin. That's how it started. Oh. New Berlin because most of the residents here were German. So, New Berlin. William H. Boss Hoover moved in here.

Okay. He had a tannery. Now, the name Hoover you might recognize from vacuum cleaners. No, vacuum cleaners. This is the vacuum cleaner guy. Oh, is it? No, not the FBI director for 40 years who had some secrets of his own. This is William Boss Hoover.

He had a tannery business. Okay. And he moved the business here and moved from the family farm to North Canton in 1873. And he was the owner of the W.H. Hoover which was the future hoover vacuums wow and that he also tanneries first tanneries first then he's like there's shit all over the floor if only i could pick this up without this damn broom my back's hurting i gotta bend over and sweep it into the dustpan i know i mean i made these rugs out horse, but I keep getting stuff in them when I step on them. You can't do it, man.

Right. He was also the city's first mayor. Oh. And yeah, in 1908, he began making vacuum cleaners. Okay. And that's how that happened here. During World War I, it became not cool to be associated with Germany since everyone in the world was fighting them. So they changed their name from New Berlin to North Canton.

We're going to go off of that instead now. We're not going to name this place after anything that doesn't already exist. Nope. So, yeah, the Hoover Company was the world's largest manufacturers of vacuum cleaners by 1903 or 1933. By 2007, it was officially out of business. Is that right? Yeah, all those other vacuums came along and wiped them out. That's how it worked here.

Reviews of this town. Here's a couple. Five stars. Nice, small city. Has a mall. See, one mall. And a lot of restaurants. Roads are maintained, and there is little crime.

Okay, not bad. Four stars. North Canton is a great town if you want to feel like you know everyone but know nobody what what what a riddle what i was gonna say what are you confucius what the fuck is happening here this guy's writing philosophy fucking riddles for us i've lived here all 19 years of my life, a college student. Boring. And have made friends to last a lifetime. As I move away for college in West Virginia, smart move, I realize that there are so many places to go and explore. So I'm happy to be leaving the cute little town of North Canton, Ohio.

You're not that deep, chief. Three stars. If I had it to do all over again, I would have moved away the first chance I had. I would have joined the military. I grew up in this area. It has grown, but it's either poor or rich. It's a dead end. Now I've got kids and I can't get out.

Is this the Born to Run fucking lyric sheet here? I would love to have a career that one day would allow me to relocate okay and now the guy's uh big move is to west virginia virginia like a state and a half over the here now we'll go to conspiracy corner these are two people that have i think this might be the same person in two different reviews here. Three stars. Quote, local representatives will say anything to the people, then turn around and tell a higher authority the complete opposite. What does that mean? I don't know what that means. That's what I mean.

This sounds like very specific something that he's mad about and fired off a missive here. Higher power. Higher power. Yeah. Who's he talking to exactly? Three stars. The people where I live can be very deceiving. Higher power. Higher power. Yeah, who's he talking to exactly? Three stars. The people where I live can be very deceiving.

The people can be deceiving. One has to look deep through the weeds to find the true people. What? The true people. I am terrified of this person, man. That is scary. Holy shit. Things to do number one be careful in august because

there's just a community alert on the website about a notice of mosquito fogging so you want to stay indoors for that keep the kids inside yeah then get out there for the main street festival shit yeah yeah oh boy hundred local vendors and delicious food trucks there's a kid zone join us and what is this of the a purple party featuring a trip a prince tribute band oh yeah prince prince tribute in ohio in ohio it makes a lot of sense and here's another one i think this is from last year there's a barbecue themed side street what else did they have a food truck aiwW professional wrestling performances, beer. Yeah, AIW. I don't know which one that is.

All ending with a parrot head party. Oh, Jimmy Buffett stuff. With Tom Watts, not Tom Waits, Tom Watts. Tom Watts is somebody. Tom Watts, the buffet men, and the fruitcakes. That's a concert. The buffet men. I look buffet men. It's a concert. The Buffet Men.

I look, Buffet Men. It's a parrot party. Thank you. And the Fruitcakes will be there. Just a bunch of really fat guys eating Salisbury steak. I picture them wearing Hawaiian shirts like they were on a cruise ship. Yeah, that's what it is. Oh, you got to have that. You got to have that.

And then, of course, the annual Stark County Italian Festival. Apparently there's some of us there. It's the 35th annual Stark County Italian Festival. It's a big festival. Dominic J. Bagnoli, Sr. He's running the Italian Festival Awards Breakfast. You got to come on down there. It's at a vineyards. There's a festival casino.

They put a guy named AJ Nicodemo in charge of that. He'll take care of everything. Don't you worry. They got Polka, Blackjack. We're going to take a little piece of that. We take a piece of the action. But all casino proceeds earmarked for scholarship funds. It's for the kids, I tell you.

It's for the goddamn children. What's wrong with you? Yeah, for Christ's sake. And also their bocce their bocce bocce bocce yes of course bocce balls here it is everybody there i don't know how to play that game but i do know that uh a really great shot makes a really good video on on instagram if you win four-man team you win 640 on a 40 team entry not bad okay all right that's pretty good yeah let's talk about a murder shall we let's do that wow we have or we could talk more about bocce let's get into this bocce ball so this murder let's talk about a guy first okay let's talk about a guy named brett bubble you are bubble you i just called it w he goes by Bubba so that's what I was

mashing them together Brett W Bubba Smith okay okay Bubba Smith not like the giant guy in the police academy movies a small white guy with a speech impediment and epilepsy different guy oh yeah very different man man he would still be fun in that movie. He would be hilarious, especially in that part. That would be the good part for him. So he's born June 10th, 1974. His mother, Judy, taught for Stark County's, and don't get mad at me, Stark County's Mental Retardation Board. That's what it's called, and that's what she fucking taught for.

His father, Ronald, worked for an aerospace company. Wow. So did pretty well. Smart people. They were smart, good people. That's what it's called, and that's what she fucking taught for. His father, Ronald, worked for an aerospace company. Wow. So did pretty well. Smart people. They were smart, good people. He has a brother and a sister. He's also epileptic and bipolar.

Oh, man. And has some problems, as we'll talk about here. He's had it delivered. He's had a little bit brought right to the door there. Cash on delivery to COD is what that is mark phillips a kid who graduated with him or two years before him but went to school with him said he remembered that uh that bubba would play brett would play in the school band he played in the percussion section he said he was a nice guy he's just a gentle person he'd never heard a flea a flea a flea not even a fly a flea which is even He'd never heard a flea. A flea. A flea.

Not even a fly. A flea, which is even smaller and more annoying. A flea will bite you. A fly just lands on you, you know? He thought about that. He said other kids picked on him because of his disabilities, though. Yeah, that's what kids do. That's kids, especially in the 80s.

You're getting that full on. He said, quote, he was a loner kind of in a way. Not by choice, but just by whatever. So he never marries. He graduates from school in 1993 from high school, Lake High School. He doesn't marry. He just hangs out in the area afterwards. He spends a lot of time with his mom, a lot of time with his family.

He needs help with some certain things. And so he likes music. He likes fishing he likes uh computer stuff every once a week he takes his four-year-old niece to mcdonald's to have a dinner with him very excited about his four-year-old niece and taking care you know helping her and stuff like that he's a nice guy it is a party until they get a little personality and uh start hating things yeah once they're fun it's like have a nugget yay and they throw it at someone you're like ain't she cute she hit me in the side of the head with a nugget adorable she didn't hit at me so i'm fine that's fucking funny yeah i like that a lot i did that to somebody as a child i stood up in a restaurant and apparently drilled them threw my hamburger at him and hit him right in the side of

the head and then laughed over the side of a booth like from a foot away and then laughed hysterically when i was like two just absolutely thought it was the funniest thing on earth i was a monster i mean it is it was and everybody at the table because it was like everybody said it was like a good like really got him smack in the side of the head and there's nothing he could do he turns to me a cute kid with puffy hair and fat cheeks yeah so smith's father here brett's father dies in 1994 oh no and so a little while after that 2002 his brother dies as well what the fuck so the family's shrinking now it's just him a sister and his mom this is all it's left in his family so by the 2000s he's got a myspace profile obviously going yeah and he lived at his mother's house in lake township for a few years

before getting a place of his own now he lies a little bit on his myspace page he's trying to get women that's why it's up he's kind of using it as a dating site almost which a lot of people basically what myspace was yeah because back then there was like it was a kind of using it as a dating site almost which a lot of people basically what my space was yeah because back then there was like it was a couple of things it was either to brag about what you're doing yes uh to brag about your uh computer skills and how you designed a fucking cool page to show off the terrible music you've made there you go uh and to try to fuck or to try to fuck which most apps are made to try to fuck. Yes.

I don't remember what comic, but they always said whatever technology we find, it'll be how do I get pornography and how do I use it for sex? That's the first thing they find with anything. I bet you can use that for sex. Right. And it's never been more apparent than with our phones. They started with these giant fucking phones. And they started scaling them down to these tiny little things in your pocket take it anywhere we can watch pussy on this yeah now all

of a sudden it's getting bigger and bigger again as soon as there was a screen and internet access yeah the first person said you get porn on that you can get porn on that right like that was the first idea for that that's why we better start growing this screen i have this little porn computer i keep i mean it's a phone really but it's a porn computer to me but i guess you could make calls you could make calls on it technically and apple makes three of them they have the whatever model then they have the plus then they have the max and what one do you think is the bigger one james the more expensive the more expensive one that will allow you to see vagina in more glorious detail so on the page he his name

is brett he describes himself as a single guy looking for miss right all right that's that just tell us about you says he likes to ride horses camp he's a real outdoorsman according to him likes to ride horses, works in his garden. Likes to get his hands dirty. Oh, boy. His hero is Tom Cruise's character in the movie Top Gun. The first one. In my space times, he's still with that character.

Top Gun. I saw it when I was, what, 12 it came out when he was? 87, was it? It came out in 86, I think. So that would be, he was born It came out in 86, I think. So that would be, he was born in 74. It was 2003? Fucking 20 years ago?

Yeah, he's like, yeah, buddy. I loved that when I was a kid. All right. He said he loves that. He says he's a college student and a business owner and claims to make more than $250,000 a year. Oh, that's right. That was on the fucking page, too. All your things. So dumb.

He says that he wants to find, quote, a good looking woman who would love to have my kids for me someday soon. Okay. I'd like to put a baby in you. Just start with that. Have my kids for me. Start with someone who likes you and then if that works out, go to that. But don't be like, I'm looking for someone to drop a load in.

Who wants to have unprotected sex with big brett over here what a weird website that used to be golly we put we put up with this shit oh it's fucking weird meanwhile neighbors know of no job that he has and he drives a an old an 80s chevy celebrity oh one that was around when that movie came out yeah it's just a glorious time in his life i think at that point yeah he also lives in a trailer and not a great trailer and not a great trailer park either uh the evergreen park the evergreen mobile home park oh no he's in there he lives in a trailer he's got a cat named tigger and uh they moved into this trailer in 2008.

Maybe that is the best part about MySpace is that we could just make our own reality. Yeah, you could do it anywhere now, too. You can't do it on Instagram. You can say anything you want. Yeah, I guess you could. Take a picture in front of someone else's car and in front of someone else's. You can do anything on there. Yeah, anybody could be anybody online. It's fucking wild.

Create your own reality. It's so awesome. And then you can believe people's realities because that's the reality you want. So you can then believe them. And it's all a big circle jerk fucking mess. It's all a fuck fest. It's a big under the table finger fucking. So he lives there with his cat Tigger.

And he makes friends with all of his neighbors because he's a nice guy and people like him. And that's what you do in the park. Yeah. There's this couple called named the Herbs here and E-R-B-S. They've been living. They said that he'd been living with his mother, but he told them it was time to move out and move into his own trailer because, quote, he didn't want to be a mama's boy all the time. Yeah. And plus, if I'm going to get that sweet, sweet pussy, it's going to be in my own place is what it was.

I'm trying to be in a mama's boy and having mama hear what i'm doing well the thing is they said his mother was at his trailer every day pretty much even though she didn't even live in the park or anything like that she was still there every day checking on him because she's worried about him he's got some issues um they described him as five foot nine with a little belly on him you know not a big giant guy not a skinny guy uh speech impediment that he had led a lot of the neighbors to conclude that he was a little slow when he was not a little slow he just has a speech impediment and epilepsy which that doesn't mean

he's not thinking as fast as everybody else at all he smoked a lot of cigarettes but he's not a drinker chain smoker but doesn't drink um and he works all the time they said constantly working remodeling his trailer he's always working on something in his trailer sometimes there's power tools at three in the morning he's doing working on his trailer doing shit so um when he moved in the the couple there the herbs they said they made a point to meet him they said he was very friendly and they would spend a lot of the summer days sitting on their porch and bullshitting with him because he's a nice kid they liked him so uh they said his family was a regular topic of conversation he loved his niece she said oh he just would go on and on about what a great kid his niece was and she's going to grow up to be so smart and you

know she's going to have such a great future and real proud of the kids so he has no kids and this is he's kind of taking this as his, you know, whatever. Yeah, I guess so. Kind of living through there. So he likes the ladies. Does old Brett. He's into the old ladies a lot here. Not old ladies, but old with an apostrophe ladies. One lady, the herb lady, Mary Louise Herb, who lives there. One lady, the Herb lady, Mary Louise Herb, who lives there, she recalled Smith saying Brett said he did some computer work on the side. And neighbors remembered him claiming that he expected to come into some money, possibly through a court case of some kind. Maybe some medical thing.

Maybe sued somebody. We don't know. A link from the MySpace page that he had connects with a website for a business that quote recruits and offers strippers for hire oh and he's listed as the management contact brett w smith so yeah and the business address matches his trailer as well so space number yeah he's running he's trying to run a stripper recruiting and hiring service through his myspace page which i don't understand how that works at all where's he hiring them for businesses or for just like i don't know parties bachelor parties uh like a clearinghouse for strippers i don't know what he's going for so they said we don't they don't know if it's whether this business actually happened or if it was just on this website and nothing ever happened.

They said the site is full of misspellings and looks like it's definitely not a professional thing. Nobody would be like, I'm going to take my tits out for whoever wrote that. No one's believing that. Great operantinities. Yeah. His neighbor, Chris Conley, said that women who appeared to be prostitutes came and went from his home all the time as well. Oh. He likes the ladies, and he's not getting any.

So, yeah. They said that he claimed, he had claimed, quote, he had like a new girlfriend every day, he would tell his friend. For 140 bucks. For like 30 minutes, I have a new girlfriend, and then we break up. He even offered to get Conley a girl too. He's like, I'll get you one. And he's like, I'm good. I know what's going on here.

I've been on Craigslist. I get it. I was seeing the cable guy. I understand. I understand. So 2008, a new neighbor moves in next door here. a new neighbor moves in next door here. Smith is in lot 81 on Balsam, and the guy who moves in next to him is in lot 94 on Cedar,

and their trailers kind of almost butt up into each other. Okay. End to end type of deal. Other street behind me. Yeah. So William Douglas Perry is this guy. The Fridge, as I like to call him. Call him William Perry here.

The Fridge is born in 1967 he's from warren ohio which we've done an episode on here his parents are clayton and julie perry he the type of kid who had a mustache in his freshman year of high school okay that kid you know just a big kid though uh he played football at in high school at cantons mckinley um mustache playing football big strong guy didn't appear in his yearbook picture they said for some reason too big he grabbed two it's only his chest in the picture you just see his football number that's it 73 that's all it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy.

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he's married already. Oh. He marries a girl named Laura Seacomb in niagara falls they have no children they do nothing together they own no property they do nothing and they're divorced two years later so divorced by 20 perhaps that's why they're divorced she's like we are just sitting still this is two years of throwing our life away. They did have a couple of things that he ends up with out of this deal, though. And that is a 1984 Chevy Chevette that he gets out of the divorce.

Yeah, buddy. A 46 horsepower Chevy Chevette. $12 car. And two Rottweilers. Oh, God. You can't even fit them in that car. I was going to say, he had to fucking, one of the Rottweilers had to drive the car home because he couldn't fit in there with him. He had to hire movers for his dogs.

Fuck. Around that time, he's arrested for carrying a concealed weapon as well here. This will be a thing that happens. He gets pulled over for speeding, and he's carrying weapons. Not in that car. This was four years later. No, it was this year. It must have been that car. This was four years later. No, it was this year. It must have been that car.

I don't know. It must have been a 30. It must have been a school zone or something. Wasn't on the highway. We didn't say he was going 90 here. It was a construction zone. Yeah, it was like a 15. Went over a speed bump a little much, a little hard.

So he's pulled over. He's drunk, speeding, and has a gun oh my concealed weapon that he definitely doesn't have a license for and so he's also charged with that and having weapons while under disability because he's drunk which is also a separate crime yeah that's like a in ohio in that life it might be i not sure. He forfeits his gun as part of the whole thing and agrees to attend AA meetings to avoid a jail sentence. He said, you can go to jail or give up your gun and go to AA. And he was like, all right, I guess I'll go to AA. Then he's cited later on and also arrested later after this, 1989, for no dog license.

He's got dogs that didn't register him. and then failure to restrain a vicious dog. So the dog must have bit somebody as well. These Rottweilers are bad dogs. Apparently they bit somebody and he didn't restrain them. So he's a guy who's got problems. He's got a little bit of too much aggression, carries weapons, gets drunk. So he says the only place for him is the marines oh which people would say straighten yourself out yeah you know you just graduated you're 22 get

your shit together get straightened out and fucking the marines will straighten you out son that's what they tell you or an aggressive guy that's a that's a good person for the marines and that's the other thing so maybe So maybe they'll channel it into something productive or constructive. So his girlfriend later would say that he was in the Marines. He was an MP in the Marines. This is so weird. So was our last guy in the last episode. Remember?

That's weird as fuck. He served in Operation Desert Storm as well. So while he was there, he ended up in Iraq and Kuwait there in 1991. So December 1992, by then he's out of the military apparently it didn't last very long um that was quick yeah i don't know what's up he came back and that was it he was out uh later on we'll find out he's honorably discharged didn't get kicked out or anything he does have ptsd they say though from perhaps this at the time uh that's what they diagnosed him as as he was being

shipped out um tossed out honorably honorably though he lived in uh green which is in ohio when akron police in december of 92 arrested him on drug abuse and attempted aggravated burglary charges he is placed on probation for that he's arrested for possessing criminal tools Hmm. Interesting. Okay. he gets arrested for speeding, which must have been criminal speeding because he's actually arrested for it. Then he gets arrested for aggravated burglary right after that again. Okay. Now he's in his mid-20s. He's got a war and a series of arrests under his belt.

Thieving his ass off. So he gets married. Yeah? He gets married on June 19th, 1993 to Leslie Phillips. By now, he's dropped. He's not even going by his name now. He's not going by William Douglas Perry. He's going by the first name Jez, J-E-Z.

What is that? I have no fucking idea, but he's using it on legal documents and everything. Jez? Jez is his first name. Jez Perry. Dude, fast forward 20 years. You will not use that name. Real close to Jez. So it's Pez with a J. Too close 20 years, you will not use that name. Real close to Jizz.

Yep. So it's Pez with a J. Too close to Jizz, my friend. Wow. He has two children with this woman and moves from Stark County to Georgia for a couple of years in the 90s. Then they get divorced later on and he comes back there. 1997, he's in Florida. He's at a bar called The Curve

in Panama City Beach, Florida. Hell yeah. Oh, that is some trashy shit there. He was told to leave. He gets kicked out because he's a dickhead. He got thrown out in Panama City. You got to do a lot to do that.

You got to work hard. The reason is because most of the people they throw out do what Perry did and come back with a gun because that's what he did. Oh, what Perry did and come back with a gun. Because that's what he did. Oh, did he really? Came back with a gun.

Fired several shots at the manager. Oh, my God. And into a drive-thru window. Though the bullets don't strike any people, luckily for him. It's still attempted murder. Oh, he's bucking shots off. He's sent to prison for this. It's firing into an occupied building.

You're not allowed to do it. You can't do that. No. So they get divorced, him and. You're not allowed to do it. You can't do that. No. So they get divorced, him and his wife, shortly after this in 99. Yeah. He was still in prison when they got divorced. And he's released finally in May of 2001. So he did like four years for that.

Yeah. Along the way, at some point, he borrowed $5,000 from his first wife's parents. The ones he's been divorced for years here. He did. He borrowed this to help care for and move his second wife and his children to Ohio to be closer to family. That's just a first wife's parents going, whatever gets you out of our lives. He was in prison already.

Yeah. going whatever gets you out of our lives he was in prison already yeah they were like hey let's give your our daughter's weird high school boyfriend that she married for two years and then you know they had a chevette together let's give him five thousand dollars so his new wife can be more comfortable what the fuck is that our kid didn't have kids with this idiot let's just give let's be thankful who gives gives a shit? No shit. It said, quote, Mr. and Mrs. Seacombe, who are father and mother of my first wife, assured me they would see to Leslie and my children's needs while I was gone, which they have done and will continue to do. That's insane. So they had two kids together during their divorce papers, though, in the second marriage. He does list a third child that he fathered somewhere out there in the world here he then gets a cosmetology license and begins hairdressing yeah twice

divorced violent ex-marine aggravated burglars usually hairdresser that's how i would imagine it they do he's also a professional carpenter hmm yeah this is what i mean not the guy with his hands yeah yeah but he's filthy all the time women aren't letting him touch his hair he gets out of prison he goes back to Ohio where he figures out he does a whole bunch of different jobs

one of which is a hairdresser gets a job as a hairdresser and he's a maintenance man at different local salons as well if he's working his way into cutting some hair or what so i'll i'll i got an 11 o'clock but i don't have a three so i'll fix me i guess i'll do that i'll put cabinets in the toilet well we got some tile work that needs to be done and uh this lady's the color needs a while to set so let me get back there yeah he's arrested during this time for open container at some point in Florida. Yes.

He's in Ohio, Richland County, Ohio. He moved to Ohio after he got out of jail. He moved to Ohio January 2003. More trouble. He's convicted of DWI at that point. Yes. Driving under suspension and revocation, by the way, as well. Reckless operation, obstructing official business.

He does all that. Then November 2004 gets into an argument with employees and management in the Belden Village area Sprint phone store. He's the guy getting in a fight with Sprint employees at the phone store. He picked up an accessory stand and threw it at them. What could get you there? It hit a guy in the eye, the whole stand.

What could get you there? I can't imagine. Take that off my bill. I don't know what it was. Later that night, he went to the bar at the Holiday Inn, got shit-faced, and punched another guy in the face,

sending him to the hospital, and then he served 30 days in jail for the two incidents combined. Huh. 2080 moves on into the trailer park next to Brett. Good influence for young Brett here. He's got to have fines and his life's got to be a mess, right? He's a fucking disaster. Yeah.

Now, Conley, the guy who gets offered women by Brett Smith, he's friends with Smith and he befriends Perry as well. He'll be friends with anybody. We got just a party. He describes Perry as a heavy drinker who usually drinks Bud Ice. So he drinks gross, which means he also has the shits most of the time. Oh, that's a bad beer. His insides are liquefied. I doubt they do

no i hope not and often from morning to night you'll see him at nine in the morning walking around with a can of butt ice in his hand and uh he likes to dip copenhagen that's his thing he's dipping and drinking butt ice he said that perry liked the martial arts and kept items such as throwing knives inside of his trailer all the time sure does of course he does jesus christ this guy is an asshole he also uh perry once showed him a handgun as well said look what i got another time conley said he saw what looked like a cane but was actually a sword it was one of those sword canes where you take the thing off and it comes out um he says uh this isb, who's the neighbor.

He said, Brett told us that Perry loved to collect swords. And I guess he once gave Perry some, this Erb guy said he once gave Perry some cement slabs for a patio. Perry put the slabs in a wheelbarrow with a bad bearing and a flat tire, then pushed the load uphill without stopping all the way to his house. Wait, what? Yes. How do you give somebody concrete slabs? flat tire then push the load uphill without stopping all the way to his house wait what yes how do you give somebody concrete slabs they had concrete slabs and he gave probably just they were probably little ones that he would use for steps like oh like pavers not yeah labs not an actual yeah it's fucking give somebody a driveway. Yeah, little blocks, whatever. But heavy shit that this guy pushed uphill with a flat tire and a bad bearing, and he's very strong. Flat tire.

Yeah, so he's very strong is what he's saying. Herb said he had muscles. The guy was strong. So the three of them would help each other fix up trailers. Conley, Brett Smith, and old Jez fucking refrigerator Perry over here. Conley said, though, he usually parted company when Perry would start drinking too much. He said he'd get real angry,

and then it was time to leave after that. He's drinking Bud Ice. That'll get you angry. Perry was working part-time styling hair at Dimensions 3 Hair Salon. He's described as soft-spoken and willing to lend a hand, but he did something on September 6th and got fired.

So we don't know what. We don't know what it was. On September 26th, he was repairing a door in the rear of the European Tannin Spa at North Canton Shopping Plaza near the trailer park. I'm sure that's a high-class establishment.

He was fixing a back door. He'd been hired a week before to do odd jobs around the salon. Police end up getting called to the plaza because of this. A guy named Dan McFarlane was at work. While he was at work, he was taking boxes out to the trash behind the Office Depot where he worked, which is the same strip mall. He saw Perry nearby behind the same strip mall fixing a door, and he said, hey, man, how you doing?

And he said Perry didn't say anything. He just stared him down until he went back inside. He's like, each time he would come out, meaning this Dan McFarlane guy, he said Perry would throw tools to the ground, stand up and stare at him, stare at him do his business and stare at him go in like he was being interrupted he'd throw his tools down like this motherfucker again it's a guy just outside just yeah he's he was fixing the door

and this damn guy's just coming out throwing boxes in a dumpster and every time he comes out this guy's a new motherfucker he's not using the door that the guy's trying to fix or anything he's not even in he's not even touching anything. No. So this McFarland guy said he got really a creeped out feeling. So he told a coworker, Brian Fatterson, about the incident. So this other guy took the rest of the boxes out and he said, this Perry guy never said a word to me. He said, quote, he looked disturbed and he didn't look like he was in the right state of mind. Talking about Perry.

As this Fatterson guy finishes throwing boxes out, he went back in and looked out the window. And Perry was kicking the boxes around, the ones that he had just brought outside. He was like angrily like, you're motherfucking kicking boxes everywhere. So Dan McFarlane, not wanting to piss this guy off, goes outside and asks, are the boxes in your way? I'm happy to move them for you and mcfarland said at that point quote he came to me saying i'm gonna kill you what happened okay and i made a run for the door when i got to the door he was pulling on the outside of the door while i was trying to close it he's a psychopath he was able to get the door closed and looked out the window to see Perry pacing

back and forth, yelling and screaming and cursing. Talking about he's gonna kill that motherfucker and son of a bitch. So McFarlane called the cops. Somehow no charges are filed because there wasn't enough evidence. He didn't actually try to choke him to death or anything. So there

was that. That was that. No charges were filed. He also gets arrested in 2008 in June for non-support of dependents. So, oh, yeah, that'd be a child support as well. So this weird thing happens here. Brett Smith came to Mary Louise Herb's house to ask to use the phone. And he called the police this week saying that Perry had just beaten him up. He came in and said, I need to use your phone.

Perry just beat me up. Yeah. He calls the cops, prosecutors review, review it, but no charges are filed at all. So after that, Smith wouldn't talk to Perry anymore.

Brett wouldn't talk to Perry cause he was, he beat him up. So less said if Perry, if he saw perry outside brett would just go in so september 30th smith had to call the police again brett did because someone smashed his electric meter this was like three days after the incident with them fighting um so later on perry is going to be charged with vandalism in connection to that um they said that same week unfamiliar cars and visitors were seen at Smith's trailer.

He was hanging out with somebody. October 3rd, 2008, Brett Smith gets his SSI disability check. It's direct deposited into his bank. It's $1,100 a month he gets. His habit was to withdraw the money from his account on the date of the direct deposit and he would take the money primarily in 150s so he could flash it you know what i mean and on that morning he withdrew 1182 in cash so brett also established the habit it says of purchasing multiple packs of marlboro lights so he gets a bunch of packs of marlboro lights on his

way home from the bank that That's what he smokes. And then he met his mother, Judy, for lunch at the mall food court in Jackson Township. After lunch, they went to Walmart as well. Hangs out with his mom. 2.30, they leave Walmart in separate cars, Brett and his mom.

Brett says he's going to come over to his mom's house for dinner that night. So I'll see you in a few hours. Doesn't want to be a mama's boy anymore right at all so you make me dinner about 4 15 p.m he called his mother to ask what time she'd be home so he could come over and see his niece and eat supper because that's what's going on over there october 3rd same day um barb and james hansen live in a mobile home in the same community here. Their mobile home on that date, they were having some remodeling done, and they had a kitchen sink sitting outside the home out in the yard.

About 5.15 p.m., William Perry walks up and approaches the trailer and asks if he can take the sink. Hey, can I have this? And they said, no, you can't. I don't know if they were just taking it out to do something around it and putting it back or what, but either way, he's not allowed to have it. So Perry freaked out, became super fucking mad at Hanson, waving his arms around, screaming at him, how dare you not give me the sink?

Like, it doesn't take a lot to set this guy off. They noticed he's wearing a silver bracelet at this point, by the way, on his wrist. So they noticed that. The same afternoon the Hansons were leaving their trailer, they see William Perry standing inside the doorway of Brett Smith's trailer. This was after they don't talk anymore. And they were having a very heated argument, is what they said. But the couple was like, let's get the fuck out of here. Perry and Brett?

Perry and Brett in Brett's trailer having a heated argument. So Brett never shows up at his mother's house for supper that night. His mother calls his phone several times, leaves voicemails. She figures he – she knew he just got put on new medication, so she figured, oh, it's probably – he fell asleep and it's a new medication made him tired. The kid has epilepsy. That's what I mean. Who knows?

But that's why he's on epilepsy medication. It's new medication. You check on that guy. Yeah, that's what she's doing. But he's on medication. I guess the medication, one of the side effects is sleepiness. Okay. So she's like, you know, he's probably asleep or maybe he's doing something.

Who knows? You know what I mean? The medication might be fucking with him. And he's an adult, too. He's's probably asleep or maybe he's doing something. Who knows? You know what I mean? The medication might be fucking with him. And he's an adult, too. He's like 30 years old at this point. So Brett, you know, he's never there. Doesn't answer the phone. So mom comes looking for Brett the next morning, bright and early.

Doesn't show up. She calls the next morning. He still doesn't answer. Now she's like, okay, I'm worried about him. He could be having an epileptic seizure somewhere pinned between the toilet bowl and the shower for all we know you know what i mean so brett's mother judy comes over his vehicle's there chevy celebrity parked outside oh yeah knocks on the door no one's answering the door while she's no while she's knocking though she notices what she describes as a smoky odor oh yeah um fire like smoky not fire just like something was smoke post fire

yeah burning but the trailer wasn't on fire there's no smoke coming out of the place yeah maybe burnt big that's i mean who knows so she leaves the trailer and comes back again at about 6 30 p.m and attempts to get a hold of him again. No answer again. She knocks. She keeps smelling that smoky odor. So she calls the North Canton Police Department to do a welfare check. They come over and say, well, unless we know something's wrong, we can't go in there. And she said, well, he's an epileptic. He's in there. I don't know.

There's a smoky odor and he won't answer the door in his cars here. And the cop goes, well, I can't go in there. Sorry. Really? Cop said, nope, can't go in there. Can't bust the door down. Nope. Yeah. Meanwhile, they can. It's mom. It's aops said, nope, can't go in there. Can't bust the door down. Nope.

Meanwhile, they can. It's mom. It's a welfare check. Yeah, it's a welfare check. But they don't. They leave. So she goes and asks Chris Conley, the neighbor, will you help me get in the trailer? Because the cops won't do shit for me.

So he goes and gets a crowbar and pops the door open and they go in the trailer. Nice. They go in the trailer. They walk into the trailer and immediately spotted what the oven is on. Oh. And they see smoldering, quote, burnt stuff in the oven right away. So the oven's cooking something constantly here. So the other thing they see is Conley grabs a flashlight that he found on a counter and looks all around. And he sees there's blue and white paint splattered everywhere all over

the kitchen in the hallway blue and white paint all over the fucking place judy feels a sick sticky substance on the floor which is you know the paint and she's like what the fuck they walk further into the trailer here okay she jesus christ she heads toward the bedroom and connelly looks toward turns the flashlight toward the bathroom. Sure. He said that he looked in the bathroom for a glance and what he saw was Brett Smith's headless body laying there. Wow. No head.

No head. He said he saw that and, quote, booked it out of there. Yeah. The fuck out. That's crazy. His mom freaked out. Yeah. And she said oh my god poor thing she looked to see what was so crazy in there and saw him in there and she said there's a big knife

sticking out of his chest by the way he's got no head and she said she knew it was him because she recognized his legs oh she called 9-1-1 and i heard her call and it's just, she's very calm. She said, he's in the bathroom, but his head's missing. The 911 operator said, but what? Her voice was like, did you?

And she said, uh, his head isn't there. I don't know. I know it sounds really weird, but, and 911 says, wait a minute,

wait a minute. You're in his trailer and you see him in the bathroom. And she says, yes, it looks like him. The legs are there. So the police come. They find his decapitated body, which is Brett's on the floor. All of the fingers and both thumbs on all of his both his hands have been severed and sprinkled around. Yes.

Oh, my God. And sprinkled one finger and one thumb were located on the bathroom floor by the base of the toilet. They found, like, another finger in the living room, and they didn't find any more fingers after that. So who knows where they were. Wow. The body had been wrapped in plastic wrap and covered with blue and white paint. Big knife sticking out of his chest. They finally go over and open the oven door, and it's his head in the oven, been roasting for a day.

Oh, my God. Wrapped in burnt newspaper and cloth. Wow. That is un-fucking-believable. His head in the oven. Why would you do that? I, I, I, you know, I'm just. Is that, that's not going to make it disappear, you know what I mean?

You cook it, that's just being a nothing i don't think he was trying to make anything disappear he was sprinkling fingers around like fucking easter eggs i think what did he think was what he was that's i think he was just like making a roast making a roast like sunday dinner i don't know what the fuck in may of 1980 near anaheim california dorothy jane scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again.

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No money located inside the trailer. What they do find is paint poured all over large areas of the trailer. A bleach like substance also noticeable sprayed around. Oh, and they find a broken silver bracelet on the floor of the trailer. If only we knew somebody who has a silver bracelet. Well, it is the same silver bracelet that Perry was wearing, according to a neighbor. So, yeah, this is pretty wild. Obviously, they had an altercation. What ended up happening is William Perry beat him, just savagely beat this poor young guy, Brett Smith, and then strangled him with his bare hands. with his bare hands. Oh, my.

Very strong guy. He then severed the head and tried to burn it in the oven and cut off all the fingers and thumbs, so, you know, maybe they couldn't identify him without a head and fingers, even though it's this guy who owns the place in his own house. And I left them all here. Yeah, it's not the wire where the Russian guys, did he have a face, did he have hands?

Then it wasn't us. No, that's not what it is. They're not finding him in a river somewhere. This is in his own bathroom. And then the plastic wrap and the paint. Like, is he aiming for insanity? Because this is fucking crazy. I don't know if he's trying to cover up.

But I don't know. When you leave a body there, paint isn't covered. Because it would make sense to try to. The police said they thought it was maybe to try to cover up the blood that was everywhere. Because he cut off his head and shit. But his body is there. And his head's in the oven so what are we he's he took fucking he he took fingers and threw him up like confetti like it was a celebratory i don't know uh they discovered in the autopsy that he had fractures to his ribs and a fracture in his hyoid bone of the neck

a hemorrhage on his head uh all, and blunt force trauma all over his body. He was beaten severely and choked to death. So because of his run-ins with Smith and because they had seen Perry arguing, someone had seen him in the doorway arguing before this murder happened, they want to talk to him. him they tell the they uh the neighbors tell the detectives that perry had been in the trailer the men had a heated argument on the deck outside perry's trailer police noted spots of paint similar to that in smith's trailer yeah on his fucking porch there on perry's deck a sock found next to the deck steps tested positive for blood smith's dna was on the outside and the dna on the inside belonged to perry wow on his foot with the other guy bleeding on it and also the there was dna from perry on his silver bracelet as well so they talked to perry yeah they find out

he's located at a house somewhere where he's sitting there with his girlfriend, Susan Lockard, and Susan's daughter, Sarah, and Sarah's boyfriend, Chad. Why do they always have a girlfriend? Why are they always named Chad? Yeah. So officers interview all three of them. Chad and Sarah hear the kids inform the police that they had taken Sarah's mother, Susan, Perry's girlfriend, to Perry's trailer on October 3rd that evening. They also said while waiting outside for Susan to retrieve some items and return to their

vehicle, William Perry approached their vehicle and both Sarah and Chad described Perry as being very angry and they indicated that he was at that time holding a firearm as well. Oh, shit. Susan, the girlfriend, told police that she went to William Perry's trailer to get her laundry and that she didn't expect him to be there. She indicated that since he was there, she decided to stay rather than leaving with the kids. Susan indicated that Perry was upset that on their way back to her residence,

and on the way back to their residence, he broke up with her, dropped her off at home at 10 or 10.30. Then she didn't see or hear from him until the early morning when he picked her up to take her to work at 7 a.m. for her shift at Walmart, even though he just broke up with her, and now they're back hanging out again. They also interview her son Dustin Lockard, and he says that on the evening of October 3rd at 10.30 p.m., William Perry came to his residence.

While he was there, he gave him a pack of Marlboro Lights. Oh. Even though Perry doesn't smoke, but I know someone who does smoke Marlboro Lights. All right. When Dustin tried to give them back, he didn't want them. Perry told Dustin, quote, keep them because nothing matters anymore anyway. I can't give them. Nothing else matters.

I can't put them back where they came from keep these marl bros because nothing else matters anymore anyway oh boy um yes so later in the investigation they revealed that the lot or batch number detected on the cigarettes was identical to the one found on the remaining cigarettes located in brett's trailer same carton same carton so they also interview a guy named adam Volkert, who owns Volkert's Party Store just east of the Walmart. Volkert said that a few minutes after he opened his store at 7 a.m. on October 4th, William Perry entered the store and asked if he could cash a $100 bill. Yeah. Perry then purchased three.

That's a funny way of saying it. Cash. That is already cashed, friend. It's a funny way of saying it. Cash. That is already cashed, friend. It's cash. Yeah, it is cash. Perry then purchased three six-packs of Bud Ice, some rolling papers, and a snack cake paying with the $100 bill. So he provides that to police. He was a regular guy at the store.

They also interview Heather Newman, who had worked with Perry at the European Spa for a couple of weeks there in 2008. She indicated that during the time that she had observed Perry wearing a silver bracelet, when shown a photo of the bracelet recovered from the floor, she positively identified it as the one he wore. Everybody did. Another one, Lisa Powell, also worked there. She told officers that William Perry did come to work the morning of October 4th to provide a haircut to another employee, Whitney Gould. Powell indicated that she had called Perry the evening before to remind him about the appointment and also to remind him to pick up his paycheck. Powell told police that on the morning of October 4th, Perry had a cigarette tucked behind his ear, and that struck Powell as strange because he didn't smoke. That's an odd one. How did he do that?

I don't know. Trophies. He's a strange man. He's a very odd man. The paint, the head in the oven, none of this makes any fucking sense. We're trying to make sense of a cigarette behind the ear. Meanwhile, he just put a man's head in an oven. He just saran wrapped a man. That's fucking wild. Maybe he was saving him for later.

You know what I mean? That shit will keep the air from getting in. Whitney Gould confirmed this observation to police as well, and they further indicated that Perry did not take his paycheck before he left that day, too, which is weird. Yeah. So October the 6th, two days later, he's arrested, but only for vandalizing the electric meter. Oh. That's how they're getting him in for vandalizing the electric meter. Oh. That's how they're getting him in there, so they can look around. Yeah.

They return to the trailer park to search a particle board shed that's between the two trailers. They're looking for clothing, shoes, paint droplets, knives, and other sharp instruments, which are evidence of the commission of the murder. They get nothing out of it. No evidence. They said in the shed. No more evidence. So the Canton police detective said, we knew he did it, but it was putting together enough pieces

to convince everyone else. So, yeah, he might have an excuse. He was in the trailer earlier. Maybe his bracelet fell off while he was making a gesture. Maybe he felt like smoking that day and bought more. Who the hell knows? You can't tell a guy. Whatever. So he felt like smoking that day and bought more. Who the hell knows? You know, you can't tell a guy. Whatever.

So they don't have a lot of clues, but they do invite him or indict him with aggravated murder, though. It is postponed until October because the defense wants to get his military records, and they have a hard time doing that because it's, you know, the Marine Corps. So 10 months later here. All right. The evening of August 16thth early morning hours here a good chad long remember chad the boyfriend of his girlfriend's daughter's boyfriend he's removing carpet from a bedroom at his girlfriend's mother's house okay where he resides now of course because teenagers always have to live with them so the three had been living there since a while october 2008 william perry previously

resided there and he was preparing to move back in because he was going to get out of jail he wasn't charged with right you know he said he was going to get out so damaging power meter ain't that big of a deal yeah and he had access to the house while while it was vacant prior to his arrest because they were going to move in then so ch Chad Long removed a duct cover in the closet of the room. He observed two black trash bags hidden inside. He contacted the North Canton Police Department immediately. They got a search warrant. They were collected.

They opened the bags. They find clothing, shoes, boots, a nine millimeter handgun. The clothing and shoes have paint and bleach stains on them, as well as blood matching Brett Smith. Also inside the bags a dark colored sock that was later determined to match the dark colored sock previously located. They found the other sock, Jimmy. That was the one outside his trailer.

They found the matching sock. Why does he have this stuff still? Why not burn it? Why not throw it in a river? He put it in a duct. They'll never find it there. It's a plastic bag. Fuck, man. When the AC turns on, you're going to hear that.

That whistle. What is that plastic? What is that? I think we're giving him too much credit for having central air in this trailer, though, probably, Seth. It's just to talk to everybody else in the other room. Next room, yeah. Talk to someone who's pooping, maybe. Maybe it's just a fan to everybody else in the next room. Yeah, talk to someone who's pooping maybe. Maybe it's just a fan for the old poop fan.

DNA testing revealed the presence of Brett's DNA on most of these items here as well. And a bunch of Perry's DNA on the same items. So, very good. Then the middle of August, after that all happens, he finds out about it. Perry, within hours, he begins incriminating himself, himself making telephone calls from jail, telling people what happened that are being recorded. He's writing letters from jail that they're just taking before they go out in one phone call from jail and different ones recorded after August 17th, 2009.

He indicated to two different people that he did, in fact, cause the death of Brett Smith, further indicating in these phone calls that he had hidden the items in the bags in the air duct at that residence additionally uh one of the individuals uh delivered to the department two letters written and sent by william perry in which he indicates that he is the individual responsible for the death and mutilation of brett smith but in his own handwriting this time. So, you know, they said the phone calls and letters pretty much did him in is what his own defense attorney said. Fuck yeah. In court, death penalties on the table. Oh, yeah.

It's all right, man. He stole. They said fucking they told him his attorney told him at trial the best you're going to do is life without parole. Like, I'm going to basically say, just don't kill this guy, please. That's that's my only defense. And I'm going to have to beg for don't kill the sky, please. That's, that's my only defense. And I'm going to have to beg for that. Your DNA is all over everything. You didn't do it.

Isn't it? Isn't an option here. So, um, he, then he decides that he's pretty fucked. So he appears before a three judge panel and he pleads guilty to two counts of aggravated murder with death penalty specifications,

aggravated robbery, aggravated burglary, gross abuse of a corpse. That's the best way I've ever heard it put. That was pretty gross. And tampering with evidence. This also gives up his rights to appeal as well. So his defense attorney pulls up his military record showing he has an honorable discharge from the Marines.

He fought in Desert Storm. He has PTSD. He has an honorable discharge from the Marines. He fought in Desert Storm. He has PTSD. He was once diagnosed as bipolar as well, which would make a lot of sense of these swings. They said they accept his recommendation of the prosecutors. And they said, quote, Mr. Perry will never walk the streets of our society again.

And that's the way it should be. Wow. You, sir, may fuck off life without. Yeah, he's done. Judy Smith, Brett's mom, said, I was never really in touch with evil, but I now am. She's while she was in court. She said that pointing at him. Perry's attorneys, though, asked the judges at the sentencing to consider his good side which side is it?

he's really good at feathering hair like what's his good side? what are we talking about? he's constantly getting arrested he's scary, he threatens everybody he fucking terrifies everyone he lives around oh my god he'll put you under a hair dryer

like nobody else in the business boy boy, I'll tell you. His one and a half inch curls are amazing. They're so cute. He's the king. Feral curlers. They call him King Ringlet is what they call him. He'll give you those little. He's the father of three children.

Jesus. This is their argument. Oh, God. He's the father of three children. He went to cosmetology school. He was a Marine and served as an MP in Operation Desert Shield and Storm, where he was decorated for preventing a riot among prisoners of war. That's what he said. He's tough and sensitive, you guys.

And sensitive. He's honorably discharged. It was after that that his life unraveled. He's diagnosed with PTSD and bipolar. He used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine. And in 1997 was shooting up a bar. See, he's obviously crazy. Let's not hold that against him.

It's his turn to speak, by the way, before he gets sentenced. I've got to put this in here. He turns his chair to face Judy, Brett's mom. Doesn't say it to the judge, looks directly at her. Does he make a joke? Nope, he says, I, uh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I can't say it any other way, I ask for your forgiveness. Wow. I don't think that's enough, um, and he gets life without, so, yeah.

Uh, Judy said she felt justice was done she said brett was a kind loving person and an unbeatable uncle sounds like a great uncle he really does truly it seems so much fun into it and shit he i bet he gives that kid like good christmas presents and shit like that you know what i mean make sure to save up for shows her how to use it yeah yeah check it out check it out yeah sounds like a good kid sounds all right here. And I like to hear that he's sexually into adult prostitutes. That's good, too. That's nice. Rather than kids.

So the plea guarantees that he'll stay in prison, and she says it gives her family a chance to move on. But the victim's sister here, Alicia, Brett's sister, ain't buying that shit at all. She said, I don't think it was sincere. I don't think he showed much remorse at all. Well, he's in there for life without, so other than stabbing him in the face, there's not much more they could do to the guy. I mean, that's extended as far as it goes. He's stuck. He doesn't have any opportunity to get out.

No. He's not going to hurt anybody else that is innocent. Yeah, that's out there mattering to the public anyway. His friend wrote a letter to the newspaper. Oh, what'd they say? His screen name is Jarhead, his friend, by the way. Oh, Marine. So Marine here.

This is Halloween night, October 31st, 2009, 1023 a.m. I feel the need, I feel I need to respond to these emails since I knew Bill since 1984. A lot of people were saying, I know the guy. He's not a bad guy. A lot of Marines he served with were writing letters to newspapers saying, hey, you know, he's not a bad guy. William Perry, Bill, and I were best friends since 1984 and were in the Marines together

for over a decade, including the first Gulf War. Apparently he was in earlier. I was the best man at his wedding and have a couple scars. He wasn't in there for that long. Ten years. No. He wasn't in the Marines for that long. He was only in for like three years, right?

Or two? Something like that. I was the best man at his wedding and have a couple scars from the barroom brawls that we got into together. It saddens me deeply, to say the least, when I read this article on Bill, and it's still bothering me today. I haven't spoke with Bill since 2000 or so, but wonder what happened in the past 10 years. I am not a liberal, in parentheses. I fight against everything a liberal stands for, and I'm not a conservative. I am a fighting American, and I killed for this country in 1991,

and I will kill for it again if asked to do so. I think your knee injuries and back problems are probably... They're not going to ask you. That's why they say shit like that because nobody's asking we have healthy people now to do that we don't need 57 year old men fucking traipsing around the desert right at this minute that's we just because it's not you've done it you've had your time not that you're useless but you've done it already now there's a now we'll replace obsolete yeah that's what i mean we don't see guys catching fucking touchdown passes either at that age so relax so um people who know me uh know me and are close to me know uh to me will not be shocked by my next statement even though i love bill as my own brother i believe our our judicial system are by the way and government

is a joke and it protects people and Bill in matters such as these. Bill Perry deserves the death penalty, and the world would be a better place without Bill or anyone else that's capable of doing what he did. Don't take me wrong. There's a time and a reason to kill, self-defense, defending the lives of your family and friends, and war. It may sound ass-backwards, but if there was more controlled killing in this world, it would be a better place to live. He's all over the map, this guy. I'm not even going to take

that apart. You guys, everybody, you know what? That's your, all you turkeys out there, that is your assignment. Go home and try to figure that guy out. Okay. He tries to appeal, by the way. Really? Because his only appeal that he could make is he waived his appeal. So his only appeal is to say that his counsel was ineffective in getting him that plea.

And he says the trial counsel ambushed him with a plea bargain on the day of the trial with the threat that he would surely get the death penalty if he were to continue with the trial instead of accepting the plea agreement. So he told him the truth. Yeah. instead of accepting the plea agreement. So he told them the truth. Yeah. When the trial counsel did not instruct nor attempt to secure on behalf of the appellant a plea agreement, whereas a lesser offense could be pleaded to,

other than coercing his client to accept the plea offered. So they said he didn't even get them like a good deal. It's as good as it's going to get. If a prosecutor's sitting there, witnesses say you were arguing with the guy right before you killed him. Your bracelets in there. Yeah. You have all of the murder shit stuffed in your girlfriend's fucking thing in an air duct. There's this your pair of socks with both of your DNA on it is in two different places.

DNA all over the place. His blood on your shit. You're you're fucked. The lawyer said, I just give up now. You might as well. You're fucked. So I'm sorry sorry getting him not killed was as good as the guy could do honestly so they told him that he said trial counsel was ineffective to the prejudice of him when trial counsel did not advise him that he had a right to appeal and should not waive that right well he did and there he is right now he is at the uh where is he, at Columbus, Ohio's

Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. He's in Columbus. It says his inmate ID is A573847 and it says this, this is amazing, his release date is January 1st, 8888.

Okay. It says he will be released, because it has a countdown of released in, released in 2,507,161 days. So he can look forward to that. Two million days. Two million days. There you go. I think that was a song in Rent, wasn't it?

That exact number. I don't know. 2,507,161. That was something in there. So there you go, everybody. That is North Canton, Ohio, and a man without a head or fingers. That's a crazy trailer park story there.

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