Small Town Murder - #419 - A Major Lack Of Aloha - Hilo, Hawaii

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

This week, in Hilo, Hawaii, a young woman, who has dreamed of Hawaii her entire life, moves to the big island, with tragic results. A simple Christmas Eve bike ride, along a scenic ocean road, ends in finding one shoe, a twisted hunk of metal, and a a clump of blond hair. This all leads to a horrific discovery, followed by several years of police ineptitude. Finally, three people are convicted. But did they actually do it, or is there a monster, still wandering the streets?Along the way, we find out that you can pull some aloha out of your pocket, that you never want to need an ambulance in Hawaii, and that three convictions don't actually mean that anyone is guilty!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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that seems to put the right people in prison. Or did it? Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another wild and crazy edition of Small Town Murder.

Today is no different. It's a wild one and we're going to be someplace where we don't go very often. We've only been in Hawaii twice here on the show. Two times in all these years. So in 400 and and this is the 19th episode, 419. We've gotten to Hawaii twice. So it's small. There's not a lot going on. People, I don't know, it's so nice.

Most people are having a good time. Why would you kill anybody? Yeah, they're having a great time, and the things that happen tend to happen in cities there too. So, you know, there you go. But it's a crazy episode. We'll get into it. First of all, though, definitely head to

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and people are gonna die those things are gonna intertwine with each other but what we don't do what we go out of our way not to do is we do not make fun of the victims or the victims families why james because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. There you have it. There you go. If that sounds good to you, you're going to have a good time and hear about a wild story and a pretty awful murder here. Otherwise, though, if you think true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever go together,

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because we did warn you. For the rest of you who want to hear a wild story, I think it's time to sit back, everyone. Let's do it. Let's do this. Take deep breaths, clear those lungs, arms to the sky, and let's all shout, Shut up! Take deep breaths. Clear those lungs. Arms to the sky. And let's all shout, shut up and give me murder.

Let's do this. I was heavy there. I was psyched you were holding it. All right. Here we go. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. Let's do it. We're going to Hawaii.

Who wouldn't want to go to Hawaii here? It's wonderful. is um not by the fire action here that just happened recently if you're listening like two years from now there was a fire in maui that was a big deal right a couple weeks before this if you watched any of the news the whole state's gone it's yeah the whole island anyway of maui here this is on the island of hawaii it's the big island. It's Hilo, Hawaii, H-I-L-O, Hawaii. It doesn't matter how far it is from anything else. We don't need to do that because you know what? It's Hawaii. So who cares? Where else do you want to be? It's over there.

You're not going there going, oh, how far am I to Sacramento? You don't care. You're still here. Yeah. You're in Hawaii. And it's been a year and a half since our last hawaii episode so it's been i think it was a key high was the last one area code 808 over here this is in hawaii county on the island of hawaii and the motto here is what you know someplace nicer you know yeah it's it makes sense i gotta say it's a good it's a good motto history a little bit of history here. They tried to get some industry in here in the late 1800s by expanding sugar plantations. And so they had a lot of jobs and people started flocking to Hawaii from the outside. Like sugar cane?

Yeah, to work here. A lot of workers from Asia came in, actually, at the time. In 1887, 26,000 Chinese workers worked at Hawaii sugar cane plantations. So that's a lot for 1887 there, one of which was the Hilo Sugar Mill. And at that time, the Hilo Sugar Mill produced 3,500 tons of sugar per year, which seems like, I think that's a lot. Just doing quick math, that's like 60,000 pounds? For back then, that seems like a lot of sugar, right, I would imagine? I don't know.

So I guess a breakwater across Hilo Bay was begun in the first, kind of 1910-ish, and completed in 1929. On April 1st, 1946, an 8.6 magnitude earthquake hit near the Aleutian Islands creating a 46 foot high tsunami that hit Hilo really holy shit that's a 46 46 imagine a five-story building of water coming at you wow that is intense yes and uh it killed 159 people in the islands. Ninety-six of them were in Hilo. Oh, my. I mean, it right direct hit onto Hilo. It was not good.

So they got an early warning system after that. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center was established in 49 to track the tsunami so people would have time to get the hell away from the shore, obviously. And the tsunami also caused the end of the Hawaii Consol consolidated railway and uh so that screwed that all up they were gonna have a railway and now they don't yeah it was like well that's not gonna work here it's still wiped all that out that we were working on may 22nd 1960 another tsunami which was caused by a 9.5 magnitude earthquake off the coast of ch Chile earlier in the day, which is far away. Think about how far away that is.

South America, west coast of South America. But that close to a 10. Yeah, it sent waves all the way out. Yeah. And that one killed 61 people. And that was because people didn't do anything. The warnings went off and nobody did anything. Everyone went, eh, it's fine.

And then a wave came. Oh, my God. And people died. So that's what happens. A lot of times that's what happens. Like, that's what happens with tornadoes sometimes. They just ignore the warnings? Yeah.

So a hurricane. We see it all the time with hurricanes. People go, ah, I've seen them before. And then they're standing in a pile of rubble afterwards going, well, I mean, I'd seen them before. So, yeah. Hilo expanded inland beginning in the 60s and they had a downtown. They made it like a they put art galleries and shit in the kilos downtown and tried to make it that like an art already type of place.

They closed the sugar plantations in the 1990s. And so that kind of hurt the economy and the jobs around here. Now, some reviews of this town, you'd think that it would all be Hawaii. It's great. Oh, my God. What do you want? As Newman from Seinfeld said, the air is so dewy sweet you don't even have to lick the

stamps. What? He wanted to get a transfer to Hawaii and from the post office. And he said, the air is so dewy sweet. You don't even have to lick the stamps. So, but people here,

some of them don't like it. We'll talk about it. Yeah. Here's five stars. They love it. Living in Hilo is an amazing experience here in Hawaii. In general, everyone is filled with so much Aloha,

respect and happiness. Everyone knows everyone. and that's what makes it feel like home wherever i go the weather and beaches are perfect all year round the food is authentic and delicious everything about growing up in hilo is something that i will forever be grateful for hilo hawaii is truly paradise okay wow i mean that sounds like a commercial like that's the voiceover while you see waves crashing and people frolicking on a beach and eating poi and shit like that's loaded with aloha loaded with it just people hula girls and you know wonderful rimming with

aloha rimming it's just exploding with aloha an ass i've neveroha. I've never heard of it. Come to Hawaii. Ass full of aloha we got on this island. Never mind the mother island. I didn't know that was a thing. Full of it. Here's four stars. Do you like rain? Okay. Okay.

I come from rain country and I'm so glad I live on the big island. I live at the edge of Hilo where there's still some rainforest. It rains every day here. It comes at different times of Hilo where there's still some rainforest. It rains every day here. It comes at different times of the day, but mostly at night. I rarely see sprinklers on because it rains that much. Well, it's a rainforest, so don't worry about the sprinklers. I don't use sprinklers and I just live in New York, you know what I mean? Because it rains sometimes. I can't imagine. It rains every day. There are feral chickens and pigs on this island. Oh, boy. There are no squirrels or snakes, but there are a lot of mongoose, which would explain why there's no squirrels or snakes.

They did that. Their natural predator is right there. I love it. I take pictures of nature, and there are many geckos. Okay. Okay. Four stars. Now it's getting a little shoddier here in the reviews three stars okay

here we go uh full of homeless and drug addicts on the streets can be very dangerous and expensive to be here walkable though you can walk right wade right through these junkies but it's fine it's great that's the funniest walkable the funniest three stars there's another one living in helo a small town has both its drawbacks and its advantages there aren't many events that go on except for the occasional concert or play going on we are however surrounded by nature and there are many activities to do such such as swimming, hiking, surfing, etc., because everything needs to be shipped here as well. As being a tourism-based town, the cost of living is high. The town is friendly and helpful and full of what, Jimmy?

Aloha, man. It's brimming. Full of aloha. Not snakes, I'll tell you that much. Let me get an extra large aloha and really no ice in that. Really fill it to the top. That's awesome. No snakes, all the aloha and really no ice in that really fill it to the top no snakes all the aloha that is great uh here's two stars we have a lot of rain here and that's self-explanatory that's the whole review oh it rains i guess two stars how dare you uh here's one star this person hates helo oh what if you move this person to

arkansas well how how angry would they be then you know what i mean wait till you see the rest of it wow one star rain and mold for days and the quote toilet bowl of hawaii or how Hilo was described to me before we moved here six years ago. I wish I had listened. Oh, for heaven's sake. Wow. I love Big Island, but Hilo is a dump. The COVID pandemic helped us see its true colors. The public schools were the last to reopen in the nation, and the children are now woefully behind.

So if you have school-age children in your family, then you should strongly consider moving to the States. If you have school-age children in your family, then you should strongly consider moving to the States. They pay lip service to the Kiki and the Ohana, but when the chips are down, the children were severely neglected. Avoid residential rentals if possible. Some of the larger real estate management firms are horribly corrupt, and there are many horror stories about individual landlords. That's everywhere. about individual landlords. That's everywhere.

There are some incredibly wonderful and genuine people here, but there are many more nepotistic, vindictive, corrupt, unethical people waiting to prey on newcomers. Hilo is near some very beautiful and amazing places, but beware, in all capital letters. Yeah, that's called everywhere. And you move to an island, so it's an insular place. You also move to an island that's tourist. Yeah.

They're going to the housing there and the shelter in itself is going to not be a fun game to navigate. No, it's an island. So there's limited amounts of everything, too. So that said, let's find out how many people in Hilo. Forty six thousand five fifty nine. Oh, wow. And it's up 16% since 2020. Is that right?

People have been coming here. Way more females than males by a couple percentages. Median age is about 40 here, so a couple years above the average. 50-50 is normal for married rate here. It's 45%. Everything's kind of normal stat-wise, actually. here it's 45 percent everything's kind of normal stat wise actually race though race 15.7 percent white 0.7 percent black 32.1 percent asian uh here 11.2 percent hispanic 8.7 percent hawaiian pacific islander 8.7 percent seems low, and 31.4% two or more races.

So that would be Hawaiian and white or whatever. So that's what I think where a lot of the Hawaiian people happen there. 50%, it's 50-50 religious like usual, except the highest one here, Catholics. Is that right? Yeah, there's a lot of Hispanic people too, so maybe that's it. And they did missionary stuff, so Catholics are the Baptists of the south pacific we know we know that now and uh 0.0 percent jewish but 15.5 percent eastern faith so oh buddhism and that sort of thing so uh politically in hawaii county that's the big island here 66.9 percent in the last election voted Democrat, 30.6% Republican, 2.5% Independent here.

Unemployment rate here is 8.4%, which is well higher than the national average. Definitely median household income here is also a little bit high. It is $70,356. So about $15, thousand over the national average and uh you're gonna need it because cost of living also a bit high it's out of 100 is normal for cost of living here it's 126 a little bit high much much lower than i thought hawaii would be yeah median home cost is high like food is expensive there that's a 150 out of 100. It all has to be brought there. A median home cost $463,400.

Holy. Which is high, but I mean, we've had places in Pennsylvania that are the same as that. Yeah. This is probably nicer. So if we've convinced you to get out of here and go to an island and, you know, hope there's no tsunamis, we have for you the Hilo, Hawaii Real Estate Report. The average two-bedroom rental here, and this is obvious going to be high, is going to go for $1,970 for rentals.

Anywhere where there's tourists and things like that, that's going to be jacked up pretty high. So let's find out, what can you get in Hawaii? for $1,970 for rentals. Anywhere where there's tourists and things like that, that's going to be jacked up pretty high. So let's find out, what can you get in Hawaii if you're actually going to move there? What is it? Everybody has that in the back of their mind. Not us, because we want rocky main beaches. I don't want anything to do with this.

I don't like this either. But people who like the beach and tropical and want to sit with a drink, everyone's got it in their mind, I'll go there someday. So here we have a three-bedroom, one-bath, 864-square-foot little place. It is a freestanding house, not a condo, though. It's small.

It is not great inside, let me tell you. A couple rooms look like they're done. A couple rooms look like they've still got some time to cook. Got to put it back in the oven for about 15 minutes at 350 and even that out. It backs up to a seedy-looking apartment complex with a busted chain-link fence between your yard and the complex. So that's a helpful thing there. $395,000 for that, though. For 900 square feet?

900 square feet. That's tough. Here is a four-bedroom, two-bath, 2,008 square feet. So a that's tough here is a four bedroom two bath 2008 square feet so okay nice size house you know a couple of gaps your kids there and stuff 0.26 acres so small lot but not if it's hawaii i mean how much lot do you want it's nice it's clean small yard wood floors big stainless steel uh sink that's very nice has like the things on the side of it and everything. $545,000 for that. Not bad. Not bad for that if you're in Hawaii, so you'd imagine everything's very expensive.

And then finally, you've got an ass full of aloha, and you're just going to spend it all on a house, and it's going to be nice. Here's a four-bedroom, five-bath, 5,095-square-foot house on an acre of land, too. Oh, boy. Now we're talking. It's nice. It's got sweet tile floor throughout that's really nice and looks real fancy. Looks like it was expensive.

It's got a big backyard, large workshop area. It is yellow, so you've got to contend with that. But for some reason, I didn't even notice the yellow until the last picture. It's like a banana tree. Yeah, it for some reason, I didn't even notice the yellow till like the last picture because it's Hawaii. It's like a banana tree. Yeah, it blends right in. It doesn't even matter. $1,399,000 for that, which is expensive. 5,000 square feet?

I mean, that's expensive. But in Phoenix, that house would cost that much. Same price, yeah. For half an acre, and you live in the fucking desert, not in Hawaii. You know, you don't live in paradise. You live in hell. So not bad. So there you go.

The entire opposite, same price. It's so weird. So things to do here, the Merry Monarch Festival. It's a week-long cultural festival. Oh. Yeah, it's about. For the queen, huh? Yes, for the, like, Hawaiian royalty things,

not, you know, the no British islands. Yeah, yeah. It takes place annually during the week after Easter. It honors King David. Oh, God, I'm going to fucking mess these up. Oh, boy. I am going to. Haka laka.

You're lucky we don't have a lot of Hawaiian listeners donating to us because this whole episode, I was looking up pronunciation guides like crazy to towns and places. How many A's, K's, and L's are in it, James? A lot. Well, there's one to four A's, one L, and two K's in this one name. My God. So it's a lot. He was called the merry monarch.

Yeah. Even on Wheel of Fortune, you would lose this. You're getting nothing. You're going, there's not an S in here? Not a T? An R? What the fuck? What word is this?

Why are there 11 Ls? Kalakaua. Kalakaua. I don't know how the fuck you say it. The merry monarch for his patronage of the arts, and he is credited with restoring many Hawaiian cultural traditions during his reign, including hula. Oh. They brought hula back as well.

The hoop. The hoop and everything else. Well, the dance, not the hoop. Yeah. The hoop, we were like, what if they had a hoop around them while they were doing that? They would stay up, I think. That's where that came from. They actually had to practice with hoops back in the day.

So many schools, there was also schools there that started up to do that and all that kind of thing. So there's a festival every year. The festival's received worldwide attention, and it's considered the most prestigious of all hula contests on the face of the earth right here. Really? This is the one.

It begins, like I said, after Easter. The competitive hula events end the week, end that that week and occur on Thursday, Friday, Saturday. They're televised and live streamed for free online by Hawaii News Now. I had no idea. Yeah, this is like we got to tune in for the hula championships. Wow. How do you judge hula? I don't know.

How hard is the dick? I mean, because. I don't know. How hard is the dick? I mean, because. I don't know. That's what I mean. It's a very impressive and attractive dance. It is. I mean, but I guess there's different ways. I'm not a hula expert.

What am I talking about? I'm sure there's different ways to dance. I have no clue. There's a reason they do it, right? Does it bring good luck or something? There's got to be some. There's a reason. It makes you have more aloha.

It enhances my aloha. It enhances all of our alohas. That's what it does. Put some aloha on your pants. So for the festival, a royal court is created to represent King David and Queen. Oh, my God. Oh, boy. Cappie Olani.

I'm sure that's not how you say it I made her sound Italian so that's not how you say it Queen Cappiolani Queen Cappiolani get over here yeah her name's Anne Marie Cappiolani show me show me your low hop oh man

they're looking they search each year for a male and female to portray the king and queen. They said they look for people who exemplify maturity, humility and pride in the Hawaiian culture. Yes. They also have an exhibition here and they have exhibition nights and they have the hula competition. And that's the big one. Dancers perform individually and in groups with seven minutes allowed for each performance they get seven minute sets like it's a like it's trying out for a comedy fucking

festival or something seven minutes seven minutes of dancing that's a lot and uh they also do miss aloha a miss aloha hula okay thursday night is the first competition event individual female dancers compete for the title of miss aloha hula they must perform both modern and traditional forms of hula as well as chant oh hula hula hula i don't know i don't know what else to do um uh shake that hula those are the chants we know here in the states i don't know those are the chance we know here in the states I don't know that's the chance we will we will hula

we want hula is that what you do beforehand that's all I can imagine hey hula that's all i can imagine you have to be you have to be 18 to 25 years old and unmarried you can't have been soiled by the penis of a betrothed there is something to do with uh fertility that goes with it it's gotta be right beats the shit out of me. I have no idea.

They said, during their chant and dance, the judges look for interpretation of the song being performed, expression of the hula chant, or song posture, precision, hand gestures,

feet and body movement, grooming, and authenticity of costume and adornments. It's a whole thing. My God. It's a whole shit. And then finally,

they exit off the stage and then they're they're judged so there you go uh crime rate in this town well we're interested in here we go very strange property crime about 75 percent over the national average high high as fuck tourists you know shit like that yeah violent camera stolen see i guess because violent crime murder rape robbery and assault the mount rushmore of crime is less than half the national average so they will rob you but they will not kill you that's kind of how it's gotta be it's gotta be based on the tourism industry it has to be just just robbing people that are dumb and also that that's for like people pissing in the streets so yeah that counts as counts as property crime because it's got to fall under one of the two.

Yeah. Some drunk asshole causing a scene in a fucking. Yeah. Disorderly conduct. In a Jimmy Buffett restaurant. I assume that's all it is. In a Jimmy Superfly snooker tribute center. I know he's Fijian, but still.

All right. That said, let's talk about a murder, shall we? All right. Let's get into this here. All right. Let's go back in time a bit. This isn't when the murder takes place, but let's set the table here. Let's go to 1968.

Okay. Yeah. In 1968, you got John and Louise Ireland, just like the country, Ireland. Yep. And they're married, and they've been married a while now, over 15 years. They've been a couple. In 1955, they had a daughter named Sandra. So they've had a child here, and they've had one child, and now they're in their 40s.

Louise is 43 in 1968. And they live in Virginia, by the way. They're not in Hawaii, these people. Oh, not in Hawaii. Nope, they live in Virginia, by the way. They're not in Hawaii, these people. Oh, not in Hawaii. Nope, they live in Virginia. But then in 1968, Louise started feeling bloated, and she missed her period. Oh, God. And she called her gynecologist to ask about it, and her gynecologist said, Nah, your age, you're not likely to have any more children, so it's probably just you might be sick or something.

Meanwhile, 43, that's in 1968. 43 was like, you're done. There's no, what are you kidding me? You're all dried up, lady. Like, you're, you know. There aren't any more eggs. I mean, it was like back then, 43, but people were different back then, too. 43 looked different back then.

It just, it was different. Whereas now, women are like 41, and they're like, I think I'll try to have kids now. Like, I think I'll try to have kids now. Now I'll do it. I think I'll start trying to have kids, whereas back then 43 was like, are you crazy? You're an old woman. 43 is an elderly. You and your elderly husband here shouldn't be raising children. Very strange.

So then she was talking to her neighbor and she mentioned, I have my stomach and blah, blah, blah. I'm bloated. And her friend said, oh, Louise, you're pregnant. That's what it is. Don't you remember what that's like? Don't you know you've been pregnant before? And she said, no, you're crazy. What are you talking about?

She said, how could I be pregnant? Well, you have eggs that are released every month. Then your husband fucking left one in you. That's how it happens. When a daddy duck loves a mommy duck very, very much. Yeah. Someone needs to have a chat with Louise about how these things work.

No one had the talk with her, I feel like. So she said that she, her husband here, said that John said, I came home from work one day and Louise was sitting in the kitchen with a drink, and that was very unusual. She's drinking with a booze drink. Yeah. Well, yeah, sitting there with a stiff one when she when

he walked in. I'm not a lemonade. No, no, no, nothing like that. She he said I knew she'd been to the doctor that day. So I thought it was something very serious. So I asked her what did the doctor tell you? Yeah, she started crying and she says, I'm pregnant. Oh, my God.

I love to in the 60s when you're pregnant and stressed about it. The first thing it's, well, sit down and have a drink. Can I let me like that for you? Hold on. Don't strain yourself. Let me like that fucking Benson and Hedges for you. Let me pour you rocks. Neat rocks.

How do you like it? Okay. Get you some bourbon. Let's talk about it. Can I get you some dexedrine while we're at it? Are you feeling low at the moment? Feeling weak. Anything else I can get you that's terrible for you?

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officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect

the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts so anyway that's what she says that's what he says you're pregnant and she's like he said quote i grabbed the bottle and took a big slug i need a drink too i'll take i yeah boom i'll take that drink because if they neither of them were expecting more children at this point.

Yeah. Feels like, was she just drinking straight out of the bottle at the table? She's sitting there at the table, just sitting in front of her with a bottle. Just staring at that black label. He walks in, she doesn't look up. You're like, oh no, that's not good. And then I looked at her and said, well, who the hell is going to cut the grass this summer? That's what he said. Because that's not good so and then i looked at her and said well who the hell is going to cut the grass this summer that's what he said because that's her job louise cuts the grass oh my god

i mean shouldn't you say i guess i'm cutting the grass now no he said who else i'm not cutting it who's cutting the grass then he says well it's fine because even while she's pregnant, she cut the lawn all summer anyway. Unbelievable. She said she was embarrassed about her pregnancy because she felt she wasn't of like childbearing years. So she felt everybody was like, look at this fucking old broad with her pregnant. Look at her. Which is silly. Look at her and her husband having a child together.

Scumbag. Look at them doing it the right way having kids later it's just we yeah look at them they're all responsible and have things set up and can take care of them now this is terrible they both have health insurance now they definitely like each other now losers they're staying together they're happy now so december 12th 1968 a little girl is born again so there's our second little girl dana marie is born here and louise was thrilled she was thrilled she has a baby now and she said she was my pride and joy the best thing that ever happened to me in my life hell yeah and uh they she grew up d Dana does, in Springfield, Virginia, which is about 10 miles outside of Washington, D.C., just a suburb out there.

Yeah, just out there. They had a three-bedroom home that they lived in for 35-plus years and just nice little middle-class existence where she was very happy. She's blonde, blue-eyed, pretty girl, Dana is. And they said that it's one of those towns that has, you know, there's all the interstates coming from Washington. And then you get off here and it's very quiet. It's a quiet little town. So that's what everybody says about it anyway.

Dana attends Keene Mill Elementary School, Washington Irving Middle School, and West Springfield High School, then went to Radford University. Oh. So later on here. And also George Mason University she went to for a while. So Louise was a stay-at-home mom, and she said she always made sure she was there when Dana got back from school. And she said she just loved hanging out with her. and she said she just loved hanging out with her she uh she has a middle initial of m and she asked what is your what does that stand for what's what's my middle name basically because she's

dana marie and um they told her magoo just a fuck she's three yeah your middle name's magoo and um so she told everybody that my middle name is magoo and so that became her nickname in the neighborhood all the kids called her magoo oh that's adorable she told the kids and they were like all right magoo this is gullible yeah um he said the the father said she didn't pay much attention to it until she saw a cartoon with mr magoo in it then she said she didn't want that name but it just yeah she didn't know what it meant. And then she's like, you named me after this asshole?

You named me after a fucking dumb, blind old guy who runs into shit? No, you named you after him. It's adorable. Fuck, man. She was pissed. So then everybody called her that, though. Yeah, they said she's a little bit stubborn.

She didn't want to go to school one day when she's eight years old. And she's got a little lawyer in her from the beginning here her dad says she was sitting out here on the couch and she's pouting and they said well what the hell's what what's going on why don't you want to go to school and she said well jewish students are have the day off because it's a religious holiday that day. The Jewish kids have the day off, but I have to go to school still. And they don't go to school on this day. Okay. And if they didn't have to go to school, she wasn't going either, she said.

Okay. She's like, this is racist. John told her they have their holiday just like we have Christmas. And then she said, yeah, but they get Christmas off too. Not bad. Pretty good argument. He said, quote, you couldn't argue with that. It was hard.

Solid point. The schools are closed for Jewish holidays and they're closed for both in New York. So I didn't know that was an issue other places, I guess. I guess there wasn't Jewish holidays in Arizona, was there? No. None. Oh, wow. Okay.

Never mind. That's a gift you get growing up in New York. You get these freebies. So you couldn't argue with that. But, you know, at the same time. Yeah. So she's got a lot of argument in her and that sort of thing. The coach of the high school soccer team tried to get her to play because she's very athletic.

school soccer team tried to um get her to play because she's very athletic but she didn't want to try out because he wouldn't give she she was on this other club team and coach had saw her play and wanted to play but she they wouldn't let other people try out so she said i'm not going to try out unless you let my teammates try out too so that's how she was john the father said she was very particular about her friends they They were all very nice people. I don't know one of them that I wouldn't have approved of. So, you know. She's very inclusive. She wants everybody to be able to just do the same things.

That's kind of what it is. Yeah, she said one problem she had, one difference I had with her was the music she listened to. She said he can't identify it, just that she liked the normal rock kids we're listening to, and I couldn't stand it. Well, yeah. Whether it's 1955 or 1995 or 1985, it doesn't matter.

Parentate your music. That's just what it is. So they said another thing was about allowance. She didn't want an allowance at all. They wanted to give her an allowance. She didn't want one. She said they wanted to give her an allowance she didn't want one she said his dad said i tried to talk her into it maybe she figured she'd get a little more if she came to scrounge money from me like if she had asked for some once in a while

she might be able to get a higher total they said she also would earn her own money managing swimming pools and working as a lifeguard at a spa her dad said she was just an average girl she didn't watch a lot of tv except for anything that was on about hawaii she loved hawaii because her sister as soon as her sister graduates college her sister moves to hawaii with her boyfriend sandra moves their boyfriend so yeah she is like fascinated with hawaii as a kid growing up loves it it's girls man they love she loves so yeah she is like fascinated with hawaii as a kid growing up loves it it's girls man they love she loves it yeah she watched uh uh shows about water skiing and surfing and wanted to do water sports she's very into sports and she wanted to do water sports in virginia there's less water sports than there is in hawaii so she was pretty interested in that

she's born in the 60s so she probably watched Hawaii 5-0 that was on too yeah Hawaii there was a big from because when it became a state there was it 62 or whatever 61 it became a state but from since Pearl Harbor from Pearl Harbor through the early 80s there was a big Hawaiian obsession in this country people People growing up, like when we grew up, it wasn't there anymore. It was gone by then. I don't know. My uncle and my aunt went and it was like, it's always been just like a romanticized island thing. Yeah, but I'm talking about like there was before that, there was tiki bars all over the fucking place.

You know what I mean? Like the Hawaiian culture, people were like ham and pineapple they were eating because that was like a new thing from Hawaii. That's where that pizza was born from. You know what I'm saying? Like it got this big cultural thing. People would have these Hawaiian themed parties. Like we discovered, hey, we didn't even know that was there. And then let's fucking mine it for all it has.

That's all we do. Yeah. So I think that's also what it was it was partly that there was a lot more hawaii centric shit out there um but she he said that uh she loved that she didn't read a lot either he said except for national geographic which made her want to go see the world more she wanted to travel that was her thing um she said he said she hated to sit still mom said she'd run and run and do exercises and skate and then come home and start all over again. So that's what she always said.

She was always in movement. Yeah. Always in motion. Her friends described her as a neat tomboy. A tomboy, but a neat tomboy. Yeah. They said she'd have her jeans and shorts and shirts. She never wore

dresses um but she said she you know she said a quote and she had to have the right kind of shoes she said she didn't wear makeup either she wanted to look natural and she's also very pretty which helps when you're very pretty you don't need makeup that also helps yeah yeah so her mom said girl would not be good yeah we'd be terrible looking women. We'd be using a lot of makeup. Yeah. I'd be like, Jesus, just to cover the shadow. Christ almighty.

I got a lot of his beards coming in fast. So her mom said staying fit was important to her. She said she was very particular about her diet. She didn't smoke. She said, I understood she drank once when she was at Radford University and it made her so sick she didn't do it again. She never touched drugs. She's very kind of like that. She really liked her sister.

Her mom said she always kept her long hair because Sandy had long hair and she wanted to be just like her sister. So they were their age gap. The sister is so much older than her. They were only lived in the same house for five years. Yeah, it's a 13 their age gap the the sister's so much older than her they were only lived in the same house for five years yeah it's a 13 year age gap it's it's a big age gap yeah so um they said they didn't really get to see him a lot and they said we quote we put sandy on a plane to school in florida the same day dana entered kindergarten so one kid goes in school the next kid's going to college on the same day but they were very close always um she said sandra named dana oh she said that louise said i always liked marie but sandy liked dana so she named her dana marie yeah so they

said they looked alike physically they said a lot of pictures later on what you know if you have two teenage pictures of them side by side she said sometimes I can't tell which is Sandy and which is Dana. It's that you have to really look at it closer to see because they're both very similar looking. Blonde hair, you know, short, like 5'4", thin blonde hair, blue eyes. Same girl. Same girl, yeah. So Sandra moves to Hawaii and now the family would visit her almost every year after that. So now. So Dana got to go get a built in vacation.

Exactly. She got a kind of a taste of Hawaii. She loved the ocean. She loved the whole island lifestyle she was into. Yeah. Yeah. Some people are into that. You know what I mean? That's what it is. Her friend Valerie, Valerie Oliver, said, quote, she's a tremendous athlete. You look at her and she's a teeny tiny person because she's like 5'4", 105 pounds. She's tiny. She said, but she was so physically fit, very strong.

She was a tomboy, but an absolutely beautiful tomboy. She said, then she went to the senior prom, Dana does, and she said, I don't think I'd ever seen her in a dress. First time. Now she showed up all made up. She said that night she had makeup on, quote, had her hair all done up. I said, Dana, I almost didn't recognize her. She said she turned quite a number of heads. But her friend said that she wasn't vain at all and she really didn't even – she wasn't even like paying attention to whether she was pretty or not it just was she was doing shit anyway like when joe went to the dance on uh facts of life

what joe's pretty hey joe's got cleavage what's going on here where those come from joe hey joe i like your boobs and then she threatens to knock you out i'll hit you with a wrench and you're like all right never mind joe it's all right i think she ended up putting her on her leather jacket because she hated the compliments i'll go dance with natalie she looks sad over there so um yeah so she said that she said quote she was childlike and shy there were always three or four men who were in love with her, but she just wanted friendship. She wasn't ready for serious stuff. Yeah.

That's kind of how she was. Trying to be a kid still. Trying to be a kid, yeah. After she went to college and everything, Dana went to stay with Sandra and her boyfriend, who they got married later on, in Hawaii. She said, I'm going out there. Yeah. Why not?

They'll let me stay with them. Why the hell do I stay in Virginia? This is where I want to be. Virginia, Hawaii. It said, I'm going out there. Why not? Well, let me stay with them. Why the hell do I stay in Virginia? This is where I want to be. Virginia or Hawaii. It's a tough call. It really is. It's tough. Yeah.

Just outside D.C. or Hawaii. I wonder. And they live in Vacationland. That's the name of the town. Vacationland. Vacationland or Virginia. They both start with v i mean let's type they're so similar i'm gonna have to think about this one i'll get back to you sandy

so that's the size of actual cats or or hawaii hawaii vacation land yeah which sounds like a fairy tale place it does yeah where you could just pick fucking mangoes off trees and eat them it's a beach community they said there's full-time residents mixed with people you know that come just for seasonal come just for the winter so they usually the irelands would rent a home and stay in their visits and they you know go home so they were um dana ends up you know she's going to move to the island. So she's ready to do it. She's going ready to do this.

Yeah, it's 19, you know, 91. She wants to move there and she's going to do it. So they were talking about it. Her friend Valerie said Dana knew she wanted to go to Hawaii. She'd been talking about it all her life, but it was hard for her to leave her mom. She did have second thoughts. Am I doing the right thing? But she wanted to go for so long so she goes um when she gets to hawaii her sister sandy introduces her to a to a man named mark evans uh-huh and mark evans was like hey look at

this this is all right he'd known sandy for years and he said even though sandy was always with her boyfriend there, and then, like I said, they ended up getting married and having kids and shit. But Mark said about Sandy, I always kind of had a crush on her, but she had Jim. Yeah. Then here comes Dana, and she's a spitting image of Sandy. You got another one in there? Right. There's more? Somebody who's younger, yeah.

You're checking in the backseat of the car anymore? Holy shit, this is crazy. He said, quote, it was like, thank you, Lord, yeah. You're checking in the backseat of the car anymore? Holy shit, this is crazy. He said, quote, it was like, thank you, Lord, there are two of them. Oh. Wow, that's sort of sweet and kind of creepy at the same time. Yeah. How old is Mark? Let's fix this.

Make me feel less creepy about this. I mean, they're all in their 20s, I think, at this point. Mark might be 30. I don't know. But whatever it is. Her sister's got to be in her 30s. Her I think, at this point. The mark might be 30. I don't know. But whatever it is. Her sister's got to be in her 30s. Her sister's 36 at this point, right? Yeah.

Her sister's like, yeah, 34, I think, 35. So, yeah. But he likes Dana. And he's like, damn, I found two. He's a carpenter and a surfer. And, you know, that's the kind of dude he is. Oh, God. He's a Hawaiian guy.

He's just like, hey, bro. Yeah, he just lives there. He's fucking up-build some stuff. Just enough to, you know, just enough to eat and surf. Just enough to get me tomorrow's fucking waves. Just enough to get some wax for tomorrow's board, man. That's it. And he's Dana's.

He ends up being the friend of Sandy and ends up being a friend of Dana's. And Mark realized that dana was a different type of girl than anybody else he knew once he gets to know her he said well he said quote she was really innocent so pure she didn't know anything about anything yeah you can read between the lines there you know what i mean she's not she hasn't been around the block at all right he's like oh i'm like you know 30 years old and this girl's very, very pure. I'm impressed with her. Yeah.

Yeah. He said it wasn't like let's start a relationship and make love. Nothing like that at all. It was the way the relationship should start. You know, he said they started out just hanging out as friends and then they got like more romantic, but it wasn't sexual at this point yet. but it wasn't sexual at this point yet. He said that they would instead do bodyboarding and swimming and surfing and just kind of hanging out and walking around the island and doing stuff. And he said one day he took her to Waipayo Valley,

and he said, we took a really beautiful hike back to the waterfalls. She was so strong, and yet she was so graceful. It was a beautiful day, and she was like an angel. Okay. Wow, he is in love with this girl. So Christmas Eve 1991 comes around. She's in Hawaii. This is Hawaiian Christmas.

There's songs about this. You know what I mean? This is... Moloka Luka Maka. That's right. Maki, I don't know. I don't know what I was going to say. I'm not sure if those are the right words,

but I think you got the general gist of it. I think I got the same amount of syllables. I was just going to say, I think there's the same amount of words in the title. So I'm going to go ahead and call that a win because we don't know the language. Wise way. That's it. So the family is there. The Ireland's happen to be there for Christmas, visiting Sandy and Dana.

happened to be there for Christmas, visiting Sandy and Dana. And that day, Christmas Eve 1991, they went on a shopping expedition to Hilo to buy gifts that day. So Louise said she didn't get Dana any gifts because she said we were going to Kona the next day, and she said she wanted to get some things over there. So she's going to buy her Christmas gifts in Kona the next day. So Dana bought her mother a shirt. She bought a tray with a Hawaiian design. Maybe the type you'd break up some weed on maybe.

One of those, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure that's not what it was for, but that's what I'd use it for. And a little handbag with sequins all over it. You know, Hawaiian shit basically. So they said that John gave Dana – that was what Louise was going to buy her stuff the next day. John gave Dana his own separate gifts, which is very much a dad gift here, which is $400 in traveler's checks. Traveler's checks. Traveler's checks.

Oh, dad. She is planning a trip to Australia with her sister and her sister's boyfriend oh my god this is 400 bucks to be used on that trip so she has some cash in her pocket that's what that's for here's your traveler's checks for australia okay yeah thanks dad thanks dad which i mean it's nice when she gets a great gift she's gonna be thrilled to have that 400 bucks yeah so yeah she's staying with her older sister after graduating from college. And her sister's been here for years now. So for now, she's biking, hiking, skating, swimming, doing all outside shit she can.

And that's that. So she ended up going over. She borrows her sister's bike on Christmas Eve after getting back from shopping. She's going to go for a bike ride, visit a a couple people and just take in the day i mean why not so um she ended up uh going to her sisters and borrowing her like i said her sister's bike she drives out or rides out um she visits her friend mark here again. It's almost seven miles away, by the way. She bikes. Oh, wait. Just to stop by and say, do you want to come over for Christmas Eve tonight?

We're going to have dinner and shit and come over and hang out. And so when she leaves the house, Mark said, hey, I'll give you a ride back home. And she said, no, it's a beautiful day. Get the hell out of here. So seven miles ain't nothing. Now, this is gorgeous. So she does that. He said, yeah, I'll be there. I'll come tonight.

He said, I'll drive you home now. And she went, no, I'm going to take a ride. I'll just meet you there later. Why not? So she leaves his house about 4.10 p.m. She bikes along Route 137, which is nicknamed the Red Road because of the pavement is made from red cinders, I guess. And it's a bumpy, twisting stretch of road that follows the eastern shoreline here. So it's along the road.

It's beautiful, scenic. Who the hell wouldn't want to ride their bike down that? It's gorgeous. Yeah. And she wanted to get some exercise. And she also stopped by the Op Hakaio Congregational Church. And so she stopped by there and said hi, I guess. I don't know what she did there.

Amen. This church, by the way, is like right on like the rocks and this beach side thing. I'm sure it's amazing. It's amazing. So she also stops at Isaac Hale Beach beach park it's about halfway back to her sister's house okay and they said she kind of circled the area people said she was looking at the waves just like it's a nice little park where you can just ride your bike around an area it's right by the waves it's everything that you look at yep she um ended up coming to, went to another spot, which is a few yards up the road.

It's a surfing spot known as Shacks. And just like where people go to surf and hang out. There's a bunch of people near there. There's a bunch of people hanging out there. Specifically, there's three young men that were hanging out nearby. There's a guy named Frank Raymond Pauline Jr. Junior. That's never good.

He's 18. He's with his friends who are brothers, Albert Ian Schweitzer, who I think is 19 at the time, and his little brother, Sean, who is 16 at the time. They're all hanging out. It's a surf spot in Hawaii. They're all hanging out, chilling. They had arrived in a purple 1957 Volkswagen Beetle. Fuck yeah.

Yeah. That's cool as shit. And they'll later repaint it, but he had just gotten it, so it's still purple. He said, not really his color, but that's fine. This is Albert's car. So now one of the people around there said that a nice-looking girl on a bike passed by the group, which they assume is Dana.

looking girl on a bike passed by the group which they assume is dana um they said the men waved and whistled as young men do as they do and she waved and rode on she just waved like okay and rode on okay so um they said about 15 minutes later 10 15 minutes later the pauline here frank albert and sean frank pauline and albert schweitzer and Sean Schweitzer, they hop in their car, the Volkswagen, and they head kind of in the same direction, which is just you can only go two ways out of the park. So it's right or left. They took the same direction as she took with the bike. So Dana, on her bike, passes the warm springs at Capojo. Capojo, these are all wrong. I know it. Except for the ones i looked up i

know they're all wrong then came to the open fields of oh my god a apostrophe a uh what how the fuck is that a word a apostrophe a yeah i could read russian than this. This is crazy. A apostrophe A, aha, lava flows. Uh-uh. I guess. Yeah. Then she turned right onto Kapoho Kai Drive, which leads in and out of Vacationland. Yeah. She's heading back to her sister's house. So, yeah, there's the loose cinders there and everything like that.

So, a little while later, there's a woman named Anna Cheryl here. Anna Cheryl here. She's later on when she describes this. This is the way they talk about her talking about it. Quote, between deep drags on a cigarette, Cheryl sips a Pahana margarita in a Mexican restaurant in Pahana. You know her. In her late 40s, dark haired, t tanned she's a familiar figure greeted by customers and

workers she's doing great she's doing great for herself she loves her life there she says she was working in her yard and swimming that day in the tide pools for which vacation land is kind of popular for yeah and in the afternoon she watched heraldo on tv as one does she's having such a great life wow just swimming in pools watching heraldo yeah this is having a fucking life let's have a swim in a swim in a grita what do you say here swim in a margaret we'll watch heraldo open a fucking safe and make an ass of himself. Hold on. Let me pack these cigarettes quick. There we go. Let me light up there. Now I'm ready for Geraldo.

Open that safe, dickhead. Let's see a Nazi throw a chair at him. That's going to be fun. That's what happened. So, not that day. Nope. Several days later. Then that ended at 5 o'clock. Geraldo's got to... he has to rest sometime.

Somebody else has got to get their chance. Then she loaded up her trash that she had in her van and she had to drive for a 10 mile drive to the dump. Wow. There's your drawback. And that's what everyone does on Christmas Eve. Let's go to the dump everybody. Yay.

Long 10 mile jaunt to the trash. Let's go to the dump, everybody. Yay. Long 10-mile jaunt to the trash. Yeah. Twas the night before Christmas. In the middle of that, there's a long trip to the dump that they cut that verse out because it's just like kind of takes you out of it, you know? Just like Santa with this sack slung around my shoulder. Slung with garbage and foodstuffs and discarded scraps of shit. So she was hungry, Cheryl was, and so she planned to pick up some Chinese food

for dinner as well. And as she's driving, she said, on the sides of the roads, people that go to the beaches, they're always losing stuff along this road. So you can, like, kind of troll along this road and pick up stuff. Pick up treasures? Yeah, kind of like if you were going to, like, if the troll along this road and pick up stuff pick up treasures yeah

kind of like if you were going to like if the salt river when that dries up you'll see what people lost tubing you know what i mean you don't want that shit anyway but i understand what you're saying you don't want it but there's wallets and sunglasses and shit that people go for there might be some cash in there that's what i mean people do that literally for sunglasses watches shit that people put in you know whatever, whatever. So she said, you know, they forget to shut their tailgates or leave shoes on top of their car and drive off. It's kind of what happens. So she sees a singular new looking white tennis shoe on the Red Cinder Road. It pops.

It stands out. And Anna Cheryl caught it caught her eye. And she says, that looks like my size and stops the car. There's one shoe and she slams on her pulling off the road. She can discern at 40 miles an hour between an eight and a nine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She's like, that's an eight and a half. I know it. And pulls over a good eye. saying she's like that's an eight and a half i know it and pulls over it's a good eye she says quote she remembers thinking quote wow it's a brand new tennis shoe well it's just my size too i'll check it out and see if i can find the other one unbelievable who would do that who finds one

shoe and goes i bet there's another one i'll find it and keep these shoes who with a how many people that have like a home and a job and things like that margarita drinking people how many margarita drinking people pick up shoes it's a lady three marks deep after an episode of heraldo she's like i'm gonna have a look see that shoe let's check out that shoe she said but something looked weird she said quote i seen these bushes messed up on the side of the road there uh-oh she got out of her van to look for the other shoe and instead when she gets kind of along the trail not the trail but off the side of the road she finds a mangled thrashed mountain bike oh jesus and some strands of blonde hair and some fresh blood and a broken watch and tire tracks of a car. So she goes, well, this doesn't look, I don't think I'm going to find that shoe.

No, no. You know, if I do, it's probably evidence of some kind. Yeah. Now, five miles away from here, as we'll talk about this, what ends up happening earlier uh in the in this there's a woman named ida smith that we'll talk about and um she hears help me help me from the woods or whatever's there the jungle here and so we'll talk about her in a second here but that's what she's hearing during this time now the tracks they they said they're clearly visible in the red cinders, the tracks. There's marks of a bicycle tire or on the right side of the road headed toward the ocean. And there were also deeper tracks that were car tracks that crossed the road and intersected with the bike tracks.

Cross the road. Yeah, like the tracks definitely crossed the road. And then you see the two tracks come together. And they said, quote, it was a pretty hard impact. They knocked the shoe like three-quarters of a block up the street. Wow. That's how hard of an impact it was from where this happened. Yeah.

So the tracks indicated the car ran somebody over. Then the vehicle, judging by the tracks, looped around and came back to the point of impact. Oh, no. It said, to me, it looked like they turned around and picked whoever it was up, because there's nobody there. There's all this, but there's no person here. Right. So, yeah, she remembers seeing something shiny,

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starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever 21st. Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. So, yeah, then she saw the hair and the blood and the bicycle.

She said it was just smashed. It took me all of a minute to figure out it was a bicycle. She didn't even know what it was at first. It looked like a twisted piece of metal. She said, I thought it was a hunk of junk

someone threw out with the trash. Wow. She looked around, though, at this wreckage and started putting two and two together with tire tracks and mangled bicycles and blood and hair and said holy shit maybe somebody's injured yeah or nearby maybe somebody just got hit and the people realized or they got them in the car and are on the way to Oka-laka-hi-hospital. Oka-hika-paka-luka-kala-haha. Oka-hospital.

Hospital. She said, quote, I was doing my Nancy Drew thing. Oh, God. Jesus, she's investigating. She said, possibly she'd been knocked off into the bushes, so I searched around frantically. So then another guy pulls up after this. See somebody on the side of the road, a guy named Rich Trenda. He drives up.

He'd been snorkeling nearby. Did you find the other shoe? Yeah. He goes, hey, what size shoe is that? Is that a nine? Oh, eight and a half. Never mind. Shit.

I thought it was a nine. He'd been snorkeling and had a camera with him. He took a bunch of pictures of the scene, actually. Oh. Tire tracks and then you know was directing traffic around them saying go around he joined cheryl in in her search but they couldn't find anybody cheryl says i could not find a body i looked yeah i was looking for some shit i didn't want to see so she said she knew that someone would however whoever this

happened to needed help obviously and she said i was freaking out i knew that someone, whoever this happened to, needed help, obviously. And she said, I was freaking out. I knew that someone would have to have just been seriously hurt. So I called the cops. I felt it was my job to report this. Yeah. Okay. She called the cops. The call was placed to the cops at 525 p.m.

She doesn't have a cell phone or anything, either. She had to find a phone. So that's a pain in the ass. Now, the help me, help me that someone heard five miles away, this is Ida and Meryl Smith. They're a couple, and they have a wooden house

that's by the ocean. It's beautiful. Gorgeous stuff here. So Ida Smith, this is how she's described in the papers. Quote, Ida Smith is a hefty woman, a great grandmother who is reluctant to tell her age.

Leave the woman alone. Jesus, right? She said she remembers her husband was at work that afternoon when she looked at her wall clock and saw that it was 445. I said it's time for me to start dinner, she recalls. Shortly after that, she heard screeching tires and she said her thoughts went to a fishing trail she said fishermen were always getting their cars stuck on the trail off government beach road grinding their wheels to get onto the pavement so then she heard a soft voice help me help me after that yeah she said she thought it was kids playing at the house next door so she ignored it so it's

kids fucking around the kids are always saying help me there's always some thing so she ignored it so it's kids fucking around the kids are always saying help me there's always some thing so she said it sounded like a little girl's voice it stopped for a little bit and then i heard it again help me help me she said she listened to the voice for five or ten minutes and then decided quote i'll just be nosy yeah i would say it's the time to be nosy now if you hear help me help me for more than a continuous yeah yeah if you don't hear other children yeah if you don't hear other children then yelling and laughing yeah and playing then it's probably bad but still she said you know she's nosy she said so she looked around the voice wasn't coming from the neighbor's house so then

she said oh no someone might be stuck on the trail maybe that's what happened so she walked down there with her two dogs in case there was anything weird going on. She said, I kept hearing a voice. I started to call back. I'm coming. Don't worry. I'm coming. She said when she reached the top of the trail, she expected to see a stranded vehicle or person, and nobody was there.

This is freaky. Oh, boy. This is like a ghost story. Yeah. Yeah, a little girl's voice coming from the shadows. This is like a ghost story. Yeah. Yeah. A little girl's voice coming from the shadows. This is like Stranger Things. Yeah. Vecna's going to come out and take over here.

So she said there was nothing there. Help me. Help me. She said, okay, I'm coming. I'm coming. Like, I'm trying to find you. Jesus Christ. She said the dogs ran down the rock path in front of her and then stopped.

Okay. They just stopped cold. And she said, this is Ida. She said, I went down there and found her. I was in shock. I couldn't believe someone could do that to another human being. It looked like someone just picked her up and threw her there. It was so uncaring, so vicious.

Oh, boy. Okay. She finds Dana. Dana is hurled into a bush essentially with prickers in it and everything else and she's a bloody mess uh she's she's in pain she's bleeding um her shorts are wrapped around her ankles and sure her shirts pulled up to her shoulders. Um, she has bite marks and scratches on her. Oh boy. Um, and a large gash on her head.

They said that her hair was drenched in blood and with in the wound, you could see skull. Oh my God. In her head wound. Um, so Ida says she was in so much pain and crying and she said she asked who did this to you yeah what happened and the woman ida said she said she didn't know she thought i was a man she was incoherent oh no she didn't know what was going on she had a fucking massive head injury

right so she asked her name ida does what's your name she doesn't answer and then she says ida says quote the flies were coming because of the blood and i wanted to cover her so i said well you wait here and i'll go up and get something to cover you but she wouldn't let me leave she was holding on to her yeah so ida said she tried to pull her out of the bushes because she can come with me i guess fuck it she tried to pull her out but she said she screamed in pain when she tried to pull her out of the bushes because she can come with me i guess fuck it she tried to pull her out but she said she screamed in pain when she tried to pull her so she said oh god i can't do that she's dana then told her she said that the shorts around her ankles were hurting her and it was uncomfortable and she said can you take them off my ankles please because they were

like tied together essentially so and then smith says too ida smith says quote she only has one shoe on at the time so yeah um she said that dana still didn't want her to leave so she stayed with her and she said well uh quote well let me pray with you so i held her hand in mind trying to hold back tears and i prayed with her she said as they prayed she calmed down a little bit dana does she said then she told her she's gonna go home and get a quilt. And she does. She runs up to her house, grabs a quilt, comes back, and uses it to cover Dana up.

So I had to talk to her and tried to soothe her and was listening for cars. She wanted to hear a car so she can go flag it down. Because in this area, it's called W-A-A-W-A-A. W-A-A-A-W-A-A. W-A-A-A-W-A-A.

I don't know. All right. I don't know. Good enough for me. I don't know. So I don't know. Here. This area has no electricity or phone service. She's on a generator or some shit?

Yeah. So there's no phone. Wow. She doesn't have a phone. The only way to get help is to stop a car and say, go to somewhere and get help, which is like it's the 1800s. It's crazy. So the first vehicle arrives a while later here, and it's a woman named Hazel Franklin. She's driving down the road in a pickup truck, and Ida, this woman, Franklin, said that Ida ran up, quote, screaming bloody murder.

Ah, stop, slow down. Ida said, I wasn't about to let that car get past me. Yeah. She needed help. So she asked this Franklin woman to call the police, please. So she does. She drove off and placed the call at 5.47 p.m., which is, think about how much time has gone by now. Yeah, so much time has gone by.

So much time. So then Smith stopped a second car that had four occupants, and they stayed to help. Yeah. Okay. Now, that, like I said, is five miles away from where they found the mangled bicycle. It's at around this time that Sandra Ireland and Jim,

her sister and her boyfriend, Oh, yeah, that Sandra Ireland and Jim, her sister and her boyfriend, Sandra and Jim, they just finished wrapping Christmas gifts. And they were on the way to John and Louise's house, the parents, the house they rented there. So as they're on the way, the accident scene is right by their house. It's so close to their house, it's not even funny. You could fucking, you know, a good quarterback could throw a football to it from there. I mean, it's that close. So she said as they pulled away, as they recognized the bicycle, and she said that she went to the house to ask the parents if Dana was there.

And John, the father, said no. So then the sister said, quote, then something terrible has happened and ran out the door. So they went to the site. They go back to the house to call the police. After that, they do that. The first officer doesn't arrive until 536 p.m. Four minutes later, another officer arrives here um this is sergeant robert wagner like the actor is that right yeah he arrives sergeant

robert wagner coming in here don't trust him he drowns women he'll drown you he'll drown you good he uh he arrived there and observed a black mountain bike on the right side of the shoulder with debris on the roadway he said that he noticed what appeared to be a gouge mark on the roadway area and what appeared to be acceleration marks on the roadway area leading up to where the bicycle was at. Oh. So someone gunned it into the bicycle. This wasn't an accident. It doesn't look like.

He found the shoe. He found a clump of blonde hair and a wristwatch. Now, the Ireland family is gathering at the scene here. Oh God, where the bike is. And the cop said, or this is Cheryl, the woman who found the bike.

She says the parents were going, who did this to my baby? Who did this to my baby? It was real sad. The whole thing was real sad. Cheryl sounds like a party yeah she said she's living her best life yeah she said this through a little cuervo breath margarita afternoon haze of marlboro light smoke it's real sad you guys real sad um so the cops at this point

then head to dana because there's that's being called in and things are coming from all different times. So they're only five miles apart, but the roads are rough. Parts are unpaved. It takes a minute there. 6.03 p.m. and didn't get to Wawa more than a half hour after – Five miles away. Until more than a half hour after Smith found her. So he's Smith. Ida Smith said when he first arrived, he got out of his car,

and I was hollering at him to open up his trunk because she thought he'd have a first aid kit or a blanket or – Anything. Something to help an injured person. But the officer told her that those items were optional. He doesn't have them. Oh, boy. They said, though, officials said police have been required to carry first aid kits even at this time. But they're optional.

If I don't carry it, then I don't have to get involved. He was like, I don't know, brah, you know, Hawaii and all just lay back and be cool. Like Aloha. A lot. Pretty much everything that happens from here on out, I go, stop being so laid fucking back. I get that, yeah, we're all relaxing, but then when someone gets murdered, we have to go, okay, everybody, fucking put the margaritas down. Everyone put the fucking pineapples down and let's all, everybody fucking get in gear here because we're all a little bit too chill about the whole situation everybody gets there all late and they're like i don't know man fuck i'm just full of aloha and it's like calm down i'm just here with my my badge my gun and all

this aloha bro all this aloha yeah it's it's optional to carry a first aid kit but i do have a trunk full of aloha if you're looking for that. I don't have a first aid kit or an emergency blanket, but please. Perhaps all this aloha in my pockets. I got a little bit of that, though. So they said the officer went down the trail, then came back to his car, got on the radio and said, Sarge, you've got to do something. You've got to send some help. God, she's really hurt bad. That's what it says on the radio.

Ida Smith said he was pleading with them. I was standing right there listening. He was doing the best he could to get help. So someone stops as they're passing by and happens to be a nurse. Oh, stops. She said, I'll help. Nurse dives in there. Ida Smith went home and then picked up her car and drove to the trail and turned on her

headlights so everybody could see. Well, they helped her as well because it's just a cop with a flashlight. That's how you can't do medical work over a flashlight. So Smith, Ida suggested, let's drive her to the hospital. Let's get her out of there and drive her to the hospital. And the cop said, I don't know. I don't want to move her. It might be a neck injury or something.

We could make it worse a spinal injury yeah you know punctured lung there could be something real bad happening right we need like a medical team to do this so at 6 20 p.m oh yeah harold he's there like we said um wow he also, by the way, that Dana was incoherent and seriously injured. The ambulance finally arrives at 650. Six five zero. Wow. This is more than almost an hour and a half later. Like after this is going on. This is crazy.

That's what I mean. Guys. Jesus. Pick it up a little bit. Sometimes chop, chop. The beach will be there later. Let's just. Sometimes you got to do something. So the ambulance arrives. Let's just, sometimes you got to do something.

So the ambulance arrives, like we said. The fire department paramedic, Johnson Kahili, arrives at the scene and observed that Dana had numerous abrasions on her face, was suffering from shock, had a very large laceration to the right side of her head. Her skull was visible, noted that he was unable to measure her blood pressure and indicated that her blood pressure was very low, unreadably low. Barely a pulse. He finally left for the hospital 23 minutes

later. Took 23 minutes to extricate her from the bush and get her onto the hospital. So Smith said, when they put her in the ambulance, I really thought she was going to make it. Because she's in the ambulance and alive. So you figure, well, I mean, they'll take care of it. She said she went home and planned to visit her in the hospital the next day.

Ida does. She said she still had dinner to make. I mean, Jesus Christ. Her husband got home and went, no dinner? And he's like, she's like, listen, sweetheart. Have a margarita. It's going to take the edge off when I tell you this story. He walked in and Ida was sitting at the table with a drink like she was pregnant.

That's how I would be. And he just took the drink and slugged it. You're like, I ain't got a story to tell you. It's just crazy. You buckle up. Wait here. It's just crazy. You buckle up.

Wait here. So then she said, quote, you know, then she heard about it the next morning on the news. It was all all over the place. Yeah. Later that night when they she's finally brought to the Hilo Medical Center emergency room, she's treated. They observed Ireland had lost a lot of blood, sustained a large laceration to her scalp, multiple contusions. They have emergency surgery to try to patch up things. And unfortunately, after the surgery, Dana dies. God damn it.

In the hospital. The pathologist at the medical center performed an autopsy and determined that she died from massive blood loss due to multiple traumatic injuries throughout her body. Shit. Jesus. The forensic pathologist and first deputy medical examiner for the city and county of Honolulu reviewed the medical records, including autopsy photos and all the reports, and they also observed she had numerous injuries, damage to her brain and the outer part of her head, extensive bleeding of her head, scrapes to her back, legs, and arms.

Bruising of her lips. Tears with bleeding in her mouth. A bite mark on her left breast. That's, you know, bad things happen when that happened. That's Ted Bundy shit. I don't like it. And it's vicious.

It's vicious. It's a horrible, yeah. It's a certain psychology. Ted Bundy did that. I mean, there's certain, yeah, that's a certain psychology. Ted Bundy did that. I mean, there's certain people that do that for a certain reason. Who goes to Hawaii and does this? That's what I mean. They are, I would say, void of aloha is what I would say.

Completely outright. Bankrupt. 100% bankrupt of aloha. None. Sir, you have zero aloha none sir you have zero the court rules you have zero aloha which that means you have to go to jail forever if you have no aloha in hawaii that's it it's not guilty or not guilty it's aloha or no aloha what how do you do that as as a horrible person as a human being what the fuck man fingernail scratch marks to her right breast.

Fingernail scratch marks on her left hip. Extensive bruising to her neck, vagina, and scalp. She was sexually assaulted as well, as we'll find out. A broken pelvis and clavicle. Wow. That's a collarbone and your pelvis. You know how bad it hurts to fucking break those two things oh my god jesus christ um they said um and later on they said once someone dies from a violent

encounter the body becomes evidence and that's when they looked at everything they took vaginal cervical rectal swabbing's were taken before she died some of the swabbing showed signs of semen as well yeah an autopsy showed that she bled to death suffered vaginal trauma which is a sign of being before she died. Some of the swabbing showed signs of semen as well. An autopsy showed that she bled to death and suffered vaginal trauma, which is a sign of being raped, obviously. So, they said

the lack of facilities and funding factored heavily in the upcoming investigation. Sure. The Big Island doesn't have a medical examiner. What?

It's the Big Island. Let's go ahead and grab one of those. Yeah, it's the Big Island. If's go ahead and grab one of those. Yeah, it's the Big Island. If West Virginia has a fucking medical examiner, you should have a medical examiner. Because that's barely civilization. Wouldn't you call the Big Island the more populated one? I don't think it is, actually.

It's the biggest island, right? No, I think because Honolulu is on a different island, I think. Okay, but it's the Big Island. It should have an examiner it should have every fucking place in america should have a goddamn medical examiner in case somebody croaks and we need to look into it otherwise you can just strangle with impunity it's ridiculous we can't have that so at the time of dana's death the pathologist on duty at helo hospital performed the autopsies and not a medical examiner.

The department later on contracts outside forensic pathologists who specialize in finding causes. They have to call somebody in to look at it. The county in 1991 did not have special technicians who collected and processed evidence. But they said that the the pathologist and detectives are trained to do that kind of work to the county does have a crime lab. That's helpful. Yeah. But not one with sophisticated enough tests to test many types of evidence, including substances with DNA. So police rely on outside agencies such as the FBI to analyze the material. They said the spokesman for the FBI's Honolulu office said the service is free. Anybody can do it.

We'll do tests for anybody, but it's not fast because they receive hundreds of requests a month from all over the country for lab work. Anything the county or city or whatever can't afford, they kick it upstairs to the feds to do the testing. city or whatever can't afford, they kick it upstairs to the feds to do the testing. So he said the lab is overworked and a law enforcement agency can expect to wait six months to a year for results, which goes against the first 48 theory of crime fighting and murder solving. Unless you mean 48 years. 48 months. The first 48 months months you should really try

to solve this somewhere in the first four years wow that is crazy so they said the honolulu police department's busy crime lab also does work for this island but it charges the per hour salary rate of the analysts and won't take a case if it can't meet the neighbor islands department's deadline as well so if you say i need it by now and they said we can't meet the neighbor island's department's deadline as well. So if you say, I need it by now, and they said, we can't do it, they just don't do it. They said private labs can do it much faster, but they're very expensive, and they don't have the money for that. They said that they charge from $5.50 to $1,000 per sample. Which, I mean, how often do you have a 23-year-old girl just brutalized like this? You know what I mean?

Let's go ahead and kick in for it. I'll throw 20 in on that, right? Jimmy, you up for some? A girl's scalp was showing while she's laying in a bush. Maybe let's break the bank on this one. I will fucking pitch in. Let's get a kitty going. Let's do this.

Wow. We'll just do a round of everybody reaching their pockets. No GoFundMe? We can't get a Kickstarter going? Come on. Family members pleaded for information about suspects, and Vacationland residents offered a reward to anyone who could help solve the case, and nothing. So here's some issues with the police that we'll find out. All right.

Okay. It was a holiday on Christmas Eve. Right. Therefore, police manpower was. The worst cop is working. Yeah. The newest guy or the guy who got in trouble six months ago. The guy that's not good at this.

Not good at this. Has no seniority. Isn't smart enough to put in for his off time first. He doesn't know that it's the same day every year. Yeah, that's the guy who's working that day, probably. So it's also very rural. This area is rural. At the time here, Puna, which is the whole area, is 499 square miles, and that's nearly the size of Oahu, which is an island, the whole island.

At the time of the murder, about 350 sworn police personnel were responsible for all of the big island, that 499 square miles. I'm sorry, that's only one area, but that's the whole island is only 350. In Oahu, which is only the size of Puna, which is only a section of the big island, there's 1,900 officers. Wow. So, yeah. So this is out in the sticks then.

This is the sticks. There was no electricity or phone service where she was found. I mean, she was dumped in a very, very out there rural area. So they said only two officers and a sergeant were initially assigned to respond to the two crime scenes. Two cops. Dude, if there's a car accident, there's 14 cops out there with tape and shit and five fire trucks for a federal. In the most horrific scene that this neighborhood and this area have probably seen. We'll ever see. Yeah.

And we got three guys. Three guys. Two officers and a sergeant. I mean, and the sergeant was just, I'm the newest sergeant, so I have to work on Christmas Eve probably. So one at Vacationland where she was hit by the car and where evidence is. So that's a strong site you really want to collect because that's where there'd be evidence of the murderers. Sure. And the other was in Wawa there where she was dumped.

And there's only five miles apart, but it's tough to get there. So the police records show that the first patrol officer, Robert Wagner, arrived within 11 minutes of an emergency call, which isn't bad. Not bad. Officer Harold Pinot and Gabriel Malani arrived four minutes later. Not bad. Officer Harold Pinot and Gabriel Malani arrived four minutes later. Shortly thereafter, another emergency call sent Pinot to Wawa because no other officers were available to respond. They didn't know these scenes were connected.

Yeah. They just said, oh, shit, there's only two of us. You stay here at the fucking potential murder scene. I'm going to go check out this other call because there's nobody here which is uh crazy i would say so they said that no other officers were there the dispatcher would later testify in a deposition that normally there were at most two officers assigned to that area right so this wasn't just christmas eve this is just they didn't have that many officers around here what they do they said the problem was the holiday made it difficult to contact detectives and ranking police officials who were all off duty that day.

And all out of town or on the beach. They got a margarita already. They're in the middle of fucking Geraldo right now. I'm off duty and Geraldo's on. Fuck off. It's margarita time. So they said that that made it difficult. The Hilo patrol lieutenant, who later on will be

the captain of the criminal investigation division, was frustrated that he couldn't find the CID, criminal investigation division, and any patrol officers to handle the situation. He said, we tried the beeper. We cannot get a hold of anybody. We tried the beeper. Tried beeping people. That didn't work. Nothing. So then they said, in cannot get a hold of anybody. We tried the beeper. Tried beeping people. That didn't work. Nothing. So then they said, in addition to the lack of officers,

it was hampered because the first people at the sites were all civilians. So there's tons of civilians walking around, picking shit up, doing stuff, before cops could get there. Then one officer can't control a crime scene. Right. They make a big perimeter. I mean, he can't even put the tape up he needs one guy to hold it while he stretches it out yeah drunk nancy drew and a tourist with a camera just

investigating already snorkeling 10 minutes with ocean water still dripping off him dripping water dripping off his board shorts some of those pictures have little water droplets on the lens. Holy shit. So they said Victor Vieira, who was county police chief at the time of the murder, said securing a crime scene is important in preserving evidence. No shit. Yeah. I would say he said, so, you know, he talked generally about police procedures. And he said when a crime scene is secure, detectives are able to go over an area inch by inch in search of evidence. But when people trample all over a potential crime scene, evidence may inadvertently be moved or destroyed.

It definitely hinders the investigation, obviously. So, I mean, they said this Anna Cheryl woman, forget about it. You know, she was picking stuff up. She was Nancy Drew in this shit. Yeah, she picked up the bike. She got the shoe in her pocket. She's wearing the shoe. She's wearing one shoe.

She's looking around. They pulled up on the scene. She had one shoe on and a magnifying glass up to her face looking at the clues. She even said, I was searching for a body. I found the watch, but in her hair. But her hair was hung up on stuff out there. Hair on the out there hair on the bike hair

on the bushes there i made a mistake by touching everything i picked up clearly she thought she was a detective she was picking it up examining it like what's this is this a clue put it down that's somebody that thinks they're helping i can understand understand now. I would say, oh my God, how many podcasts have you listened to? Stop doing this. But then people I feel like knew better. Now everyone thinks they're detected. I mean, margaritas help. Maybe that's it.

Maybe it's the margs. But she didn't have the margaritas that day, she said. That was when she was talking about it later. She was drinking and smoking. I'm sure she was drunk that day, too. I don't know. Maybe. You think she discerned?

That's a joke. I don't know. It's Christmas Eve. It's Christmas Eve. I'm drinking and I'm going to was drunk that day, too. I don't know. Maybe. You think she discerned? That's a joke. I don't know. Yeah. It's Christmas Eve. It's Christmas Eve. I'm drinking and I'm going to empty my garbage. So other people arrived trampling on the evidence. Rich Trenda came with his camera, like we said, fucking salt water dripping from his board shorts.

Took pictures of the tire tracks. The father, John Ireland, said a lot of people were milling around the site when he got there he said the sergeant arrived and began to get things organized but police quote never cordoned off that site never never did off they didn't have they had one guy how the fuck's he gonna tape anything so they said even the next day the scene was left open it's not like they even called people in to okay now we'll lock it down. They just left it there. They said civilians also gathered at the second scene where her body was found as well. Or she was alive at the time.

Um, she said that Ida Smith who discovered her, uh, who found her discovered evidence nearby, possible evidence, a boy's shoe and what looked like men's underwear. Oh, I'm interested in that.

Um, at least I'm real interested in men's underwear. Oh. I'm interested in that. At least I'm real interested in men's underwear, buddy. Jesus, Jack. I'll tell you something, buddy. It might be some aloha in there, if you know what I'm talking about. That's where he keeps it all. Oh, boy. So they said at least five people came up and down the trail as they attempted to help Dana.

Yeah. About two and a half hours after she was found, the direct detectives arrived and uh one of them was stephen guillermo who was on standby that day and he became the lead investigator wow now after this obviously everybody's pretty bummed um mark evans said he's super bummed oh yeah probably said it just like that, too. Yeah. Super bummed, brah. It's a bummer, man. It's a bummer. It's a fucking bummer. He said he reassessed his values after Dana died.

Oh. He said, you see the way we live. This is later on. And he says, you see the way we live. He said, waved it around to his house. This house has no doors and walls on only two sides. He lives in like a beach lean-to, basically. What?

He said, I live in such an open lifestyle and still everything is good. I don't lock up because I think someone's going to steal. Hey, take my stuff if you need it. He said, this is very Hawaiian. He said, my kids walk to the mailbox around the corner from the house. I can't live in fear.

Something like that might never happen again. Then it might happen tomorrow. I might drown while surfing. surfing a shark could attack me but this is my life so i don't know what he just said he just said a lot of things that are true he just did one of these yeah he gave you one of these hang loose the old hang loose exactly he gave you one of these and he went listen bro you just got to take it one day at a time and can't be too stressed about it and you just got to have a margarita and get your surfboard that's it i guess if you need the stuff take it don't hurt nobody he's like yeah just take it if you need it man i'm open so uh he said his life feels it feels incomplete without dana though he said she was a great person

it goes over and over in my mind. Where would my life be? There's no telling if Dana and I would have worked out, but I wonder. We were really good together. He said, then he stops and he said, quote, we only kissed one time. Then he said, yeah, I loved her. So only got one kiss there. Another thing that you wouldn't think of, but it's a logistical thing that i just find

interesting is that john had a hell of a time getting the money back for the traveler's checks really gave her yes he said that because she never redeemed them and american express required a copy of her death certificate so that is that's a little harsh you guys you gotta calm down yeah that's invasive as fuck he's the, you got to calm down. Yeah. That's invasive as fuck. He's the purchaser. Let him fucking turn him in. What are we talking about?

Dad, prove it. Yeah. You want pictures of the body? You. That's what I would have said. You want the death certificate? Let me send you a picture of her open skull. You write in.

What's that? How dare you? He said, quote, I had a heck of a time with those. Unbelievable. Poor guy here. I'm sure they changed their policy since then. quote, I had a heck of a time with those. Unbelievable. Poor guy here. I'm sure they changed their policy since then, yeah? I would fucking hope so. Jesus, that sounds awful.

So the day after she died, the police asked the public to call in with any info. The family made an appeal the day after that. And then they got a reward fund set up that eventually would total $25,000. Wow. For any information. Once the money's up, dozens of tips start coming. Oh, you bet. Oh, yeah.

But they only have one detective assigned full time to the case. So they said he was just overwhelmed and couldn't follow everything up. They found it difficult to sort out valid information from rumors. He just had imagine a guy with 500 post-it notes on his desk. Who knows? So many phone numbers. Did that sound reasonable? valid information from rumor that he just had. Imagine a guy with 500 post-it notes on his desk of like this. Who knows? So many phone numbers. Did that sound reasonable?

Is that sound true? Does that sound crazy? Who knows? A few months into the investigation, they got frustrated at the number of rumors they had checked out that never panned out. Yeah. They don't have the manpower to be going down these false roads.

Like rumor. Right. And rumors have to be, you need to have some rumor right and rumors have to be you need to have some pretty solid evidence to have a rumor yeah yeah but to be around worthy worthy rumor i mean when it's when you're months into the investigation you just have to try something you know so they said rumor or not the police are pretty much obligated to check out all the information just to make sure it's real it could be real so they said the guy said we you have to follow up there's no way to know what's legitimate

and what's not from where they sit so they look at a dozen or so possible people as suspects here um among the first was anna cheryl really she messed with the crime scene so much that they were like i don't know about this lady. So they didn't like that. She said, quote, they had me up like I was a suspect. That's what Cheryl says. She was questioned about where she had been headed that day, what kind of video she rented. What? Anything about running over 21-year-old girls with your truck and then raping them with your nonexistent penis?

Anything about that? You're our number one suspect lady with no semen inside her yeah and also ladies in their you know margarita ladies in their late 40s are usually the ones who are going out just brutalizing young women and throwing them in bushes and everything uh what kind of video she rented which is really just weird and uh why she why she was going to dump her trash who okay i've got too much and why one of the windows of her van was cracked oh the answer to a lot of these are i'm white trash okay i don't know what the fuck to tell you you know what i'm saying what do you want from me right yeah like how many times in your life

have you answered that as a fucking answer to a question you could have asked me that when i was younger and i had a big crack in my windshield i went oh my trash i don't know what the fuck to tell you i don't know it's still functional i don't know what do you want what do you want i'm too lazy and poor to fix it a little of both i guess because i've been there it's a windshield and it's still shielding wind at the moment that's why i've had four margaritas you think i care about that so another person is questioned at the scene um a question there mark evans the friend who had she had gone and seen because he's the last person who really knows her to see her alive. So he said, police asked me a million questions,

took my identification. Um, over the next while, he's going to be asked to take multiple lie detector tests, give saliva samples, you know, DNA, all this shit. Another one is Franklin Alamute Jr.

who lived with his sister and brother-in-law on vacation land. He's a suspect. Um, he said it was a scary experience. He said in the beginning, they was just blaming us for the whole thing. I couldn land. He's a suspect. He said it was a scary experience. He said in the beginning, they was just blaming us for the whole thing. I couldn't do that to a woman.

He had to give dental impressions and answer a lot of questions to prove his innocence. He said, he said they would question us for hours and hours. My brother-in-law, they really harassed. They took his mom's van and checked it for blood. And they said they never directly told him that he was cleared as a suspect. So he just is a suspicion.

You know, the cops talk to that guy all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's a small place where people are gossipy. And so they said another person here is Wayne Nasario, whose name surfaced when he was asked to provide a saliva and bite mark sample for testing. whose name surfaced when he was asked to provide a saliva and bite mark sample for testing. Nazario and his brothers had been cleared previously by police, but then the forensic, then they didn't know, so they needed their forensic work,

and then they're finally excluded from police, from the forensics. The teeth marks don't match up. So the investigation completely stalls. As we could tell, there's one detective with the phone ringing. They don't know what they're doing. Unless the person who killed her is standing there with her when they arrive, they're pretty much not going to be able to solve this. It's going to take a little bit. So they said that

it becomes a public relations problem for police. Yeah. Medical assistance had been delayed, calling into question the competency of everybody that runs this island at this point. Dana's parents said that they saw it as indifference by law enforcement officials. They began a campaign

to keep the case at the forefront of public attention. And then finally, two other high-profile murders happened within two years of this. So people started to think the police can't do anything in this fucking town. So the police can't do anything in this fucking town. So the police, one witness here, Jerry Gallagher, I was a nurse. She said the police questioned her for four to five hours the day after Dana died.

Wow. Again, the nurse that stopped to help. Right. There's a woman. They questioned her for five hours. It seems it seems like they don't know what where semen comes from i yeah they're very they think aloha comes out of your balls they don't know that's semen so meanwhile another one hazel here uh we talked about hazel um she reported dana was raped and said police didn't talk to her until three years later. Years.

Years. They told me, quote, I fell through the cracks. They said you fell through the cracks. Oh, my God. So a little over a month after Dana dies, a man who wanted to remain anonymous came into the Hilo police station. He wants to remain anonymous. Okay, well, then you make a phone call from a pay phone right say your business and hang the fuck up once you walk in there you're not remaining anonymous

i will fucking fingerprint you forcefully we'll find out who you are don't show up with your face yeah show up with your face and then say i don't want to be identified and a wallet with an identification card in it don't do that that. Fingerprints all over your hands. We know who you are. All that DNA running through you. Your whole body's full of it. Your skin's just keeping it in. Horsing through you.

This man who walks in doesn't want to be identified. He told the detective that three brothers were at a New Year's Eve party that year where they bragged about running over a woman, biting her, and raping her. Uh-huh. Brothers, like, define that. Three brothers. I guess related people. Related men. Three brothers.

Hermanos in there. So he says that the man then said, I'll contact you again soon because I want the reward. I'll be back. And then he never came back. Who are you, mysterious man? And the detective said he didn't recognize him and had no way of finding him again. Why would you let a man? You let a man with pertinent. You could have fucking grand juried him right then. You could have held him in that fucking place and had a subpoena drawn up for him for a grand jury appearance immediately.

And said, we're taking you literally now to be fucking, we're going to depose. Like, this is crazy to go, well, he didn't want to be identified, so he said he'd be back later. Again, a little too fucking laid back, everybody. A little too chill. That's a cop that put his feet up on his desk and was like, I'm about to crack a case today. I'm just going to wait for him to have a margarita and wait. It's like, no. Aloha, everybody. Aloha.

Fuck. Holy shit. Oh, my God. So he never came back. They never found out who that was. So then years go by. Oh, my God. So he never came back. They never found out who that was. So then years go by. Oh, my God. Years go by, Jimmy.

Three years later, we have another. Okay, yeah. This is nuts. Two and a half years or whatever. Remember Frank Pauline Jr. from hanging out up by the surf area? The purple bug. The purple bug there? Okay.

So a veteran officer named Richard Marzo uh he passed on to investigators information he thought was valid he said that two weeks after the murder he and other uh puna patrol officers began hearing rumors that pauline jr was involved in the crime okay a year later he arrested two boys he said who said pauline j Jr. had told them where Dana's body was dumped and the description matched the location in Wawa. Which that could be anything because everybody knows where she was found. That's the spot where that girl was found. Everybody knows that.

You know what I'm saying? I know exactly where, could tell you exactly where in 1986, Tawana Brawley said she was in fucking the village of Wappingers in that place because we all know where it is. That turned out not to be real but this was. She said he said he forwarded the information to detectives. Several months later

he arrested the same boys again. Cops hadn't talked to him by the way. He gave that to the cops. They were like, I'm sure that's nothing. he arrested the same boys again and filed another report about pauline jr because the boys told him detectives had not talked to them he passed the tip on and expected well they'll take care of that they never followed up and even questioned these guys about it even though they said i know who fucking did this to this girl so this cop said he believed his reports had been ignored

but detectives said they reviewed his information and just didn't follow up on it which is worse than being ignored yeah i'd rather you say you lost it you didn't get it you know it got fucking it's behind my desk it fell down i didn't look in look at it at all anything i looked at it and found it to be, in my opinion, without any fucking based on nothing, uh, worthless,

fucking unbelievable. Uh, the prosecutor later on will say the police in our case have pursued anonymous tips diligently, many of which to be, have been proved to be exaggerated. Overheard rumors are just plain wrong. Some tips have been proved to be exaggerated. Overheard rumors are just plain wrong. Some tips have been fruitful.

Fruitful. Everything in Hawaii is fruitful. So who is Frank here? Frank Raymond Pauline Jr. He seems to be the thing here. He's born April 27th, 1973. So he was only 18, like we said. He's from California.

The son of Frank Sr senior and Patricia, obviously. Um, at the time he was, at the time of the murder, the Pauline's lived a few miles from where Dana was dumped here. So, uh, the Pauline was born in a beach community and then they moved to a better beach community. A better one. Yeah. Wow. Like this isn't good enough. Uh, Pauline has three young sons, two of which are a set of twins. Okay. That's Pauline Jr., and several brothers and sisters, who knows how many.

So his criminal record dates back to when he was nine. How? Exactly. Nine. First-degree burglary at age nine. Oh, boy. He received protective supervision. This is in 1983. He was nine years old. Same year, November of 83. First degree criminal trespassing. And he receives counseling for that. Then 1990, second degree assault. He gets probation for that. Second degree terroristic threatening in 1991, early.

Third degree assault. He did 30 days in a youth correctional facility and he's on probation. More third degree assault later on. A no-fault insurance thing in May of 91. Third degree assault again in September of 91. And then more insurance thing in May of 91. Third-degree assault again in September of 91. And then more insurance stuff in November of 91.

Insurance fraud? I guess so, yeah, insurance fraud. Now, adult convictions. Oh, that's as a child. This is just in the last, you know, since 91 after that. He had accident involving death or injury and no insurance. So he was a year on probation, one day in jail for that, driving without a license, no motorcycle insurance, criminal contempt of court, another criminal contempt of court, driving without a license, second-degree sexual assault. Really?

Second-degree theft, second degree criminal criminal trespass those are all in one incident what and that's in february 8th 1994 he is going to be sentenced for that uh yeah sexual assault theft and criminal trespass we can all put that scenario together of what happened that's a bad man they send him to prison for 10 years for that. Is that right? 10 years in prison. He got 10, 5, and 1 year to run concurrently. So they're all together. Now, in 1993, when he was in jail and unable to post bail, Jesus Christ, a circuit court judge released him to attend a funeral on October 27th of 93.

But the funeral had actually been held the day before and pauline never came back to the jail again maybe maybe check to make sure there's a funeral that day he said so so we should oh god give him a little aloha and let him go. Let him go. Put him on his way. Jesus Christ. February 1994, he was sentenced to 10 years for sexual assault. The sexual assault conviction stemmed from a 1993 rape involving a woman acquaintance. Because of the multitude of crimes on which he was sentenced, the prosecutors dubbed him a, quote, walking crime wave at the sentencing hearing. Yeah. After the hearing, he walked out of the courtroom before he was taken in custody to start his prison term.

He just walked out before they – normally they take you right away. They don't just take him into custody. They just let you chill for a few, and they were like, ah, he'll make it over here. It's fine. And he just wandered out and left. Tighten up. Jesus Christ. They are way too chill. Fuck, man. were like ah he'll make it over here it's fine and he just wandered out and left tighten up jesus christ they are way too chill fuck man just a little too chill everyone there needs to spend like one week a year in manhattan just to just to okay i know and i gotta pick up the pace yeah

yeah just once one week a year they have to go judge just said, your sentence to remanded to custody, I'll be right back. Later. Took off. He's classified as a fugitive. Yeah. And is finally a few days later recaptured in Honolulu, where he was gone. Court documents said that he was a man with a drug problem who was so stoned all the time that he couldn't always remember committing his crimes no he admitted to using cocaine every other day drinking cases of beer at a time yeah and constantly smoking marijuana according to the court documents he said quote coke is more

of a problem than weed is yes yeah yeah true for literally any person that's ever done both. It's true. More of a problem. You're right. Wow. 1994. Family is pissed off. At him?

At everybody. At the cops. They're fucking mad. The Ireland's pissed. And they have a right to be. Jesus Christ. They've handled this lackadaisically at best. Mishandled it. Yeah.

at best. Mishandled it. Yeah, the group the Ireland's asked they asked the state attorney general to assign a special prosecutor to handle the case saying police were taking too long. The request was rejected in 1994. After three years, do you have the balls to reject

that? The family, meanwhile, wrote letters to the newspapers constantly flying to Hawaii to keep the heat on the police. John said, I feel our presence here will keep the fact that the perpetrators are still walking the street in the forefront. Yeah. His relationship improved with police after a change in police chiefs in 1994. Very nice.

It wasn't somebody that could take blame now. The detective, lead detective, said that despite progress in the investigations, the media coverage made it look like the police weren't doing enough. Also, the calendar did that. You could read multiple, you could read a newspaper or a calendar and see that the job is being done poorly. See, today's year is much bigger than it used to be. Well, yeah, a lot longer. He says, so in the end, it looks like we're not doing a good job. The public pressure sometimes unfairly puts pressure on investigators. No, no, no.

Your job is to be under pressure if you're in this. If you don't want to do that, that shouldn't be your job. A quarterback can't say that. The public pressure unfairly puts pressure on the football players. Yeah. Because that's your fucking job is to be under pressure go go to the parking ticket enforcement division if you don't want to be under pressure where no one gives a shit but when people's kids have been murdered there's a body yeah they kind of want to know stuff yeah you gotta you gotta kind of figure that out so

may 1994 john gonzalez is a guy facing cocaine charges. He tells cops that his brother, Frank Pauline Jr., who is currently in prison for sexual assault, wants to talk to them about a murder. Frank wants to talk to you. So June of 1994, Frank Pauline Jr. walks in here. He had already began his prison term at Halawa Correctional Facility three months after he was sentenced. That's when his brother went to authorities and said he has information. And he said he would make a deal. him to really over drug charges wow um so june 1st 94 the big island police here traveled to honolulu to meet with pauline but he told them he wanted to wait a few days before deciding whether to talk okay so then they flew back there on june 18th and interviewed pauline for 90 minutes and they took him back to the big island with them where he led them on a reconstruction of the crime. As we'll talk about Pauline said that night that Ian and Sean Schweitzer stopped by,

I guess they call Albert Ian. That's his middle name. They call him Ian, but it's Albert. It's Albert Schweitzer as a somebody else. That's a grown adult name. That's what that is. Isn't that like a doctor or something?

Probably. I believe so. Yeah. So they said, he said that they said schweitzer boys stopped by the house during the early afternoon and asked him if he wanted to go out and party and he understood that to mean that if he wanted to go join them to have some cocaine and go cruising okay so here's some highlights from the confession because i have the whole confession here yeah let's get into this. Okay.

They said, what's your full and correct name? He gives it. They said, are you known by any other names? He said, no, not really. They call me boy. They call me. They call me boy. Who calls you boy?

Yeah. That's not good. It's an interesting choice. So he said, okay. One day my two friends came to pick me up, Ian and Sean Schweitzer. They went and asked me if I wanted to go party and I told them, yeah. So we headed toward the beach. They said, where were you? He was at his mom's house. Where is that? Hawaii, Hawaiian beaches, Aku street, first house on the left. What kind of car did they come in? Purple Volkswagen.

Is there anything you can tell us about the condition of the car? And they said, was it in stock condition? And he said, it was more like stock condition. Anything else you can, so there's talking about the tires for a minute here. He then says, um, that he says, um, we headed toward the end of Hawaiian beaches toward the beach road on the right-hand side. We continued to go through a dirt road. They said, is that dirt road commonly known as Beach Road? He said, Beach Road. It comes out at Kapoho. Okay, wait, I got to say about the stops. Okay, we made several stops to smoke cocaine.

Wow. And after we, well, we kept continuing on little ways. We came out by an intersection going toward Kapoho, and that's where we saw a girl standing up. As we were going past, my friend Ian looked toward the side and said, you know, oh, look at that girl. Then we continued to go forward down the road. They said, would that be toward Pohiki? And he said, yes.

Then we reached by these mailboxes area, and we turned around. That place is better known as red road where they call it and we headed back toward the girl they said did ian tell you why he had turned around or why he wanted to go back to where the girl was he said no not at that point little while after as we as we were going he wanted as we were going he said he wanted to talk to the girl i guess he i guess to make a date or something yeah Yeah. Okay. Which I mean, they're all around the same age. I mean, it's, if you're in Hawaii and you see a, you know, girl around your age, you want to go talk to her. That seems normal. But when she says no,

you go, all right. And you leave. That's the difference is what that is. So they said, okay, what happened? He said, then we headed back and he was going faster and I was telling him to slow down about 40 to 45 miles an hour because I looked at the speedometer. And then he kept that probably doesn't work on a 57 Beetle anyway. Who knows? Right. Did yours work? I think they're in kilometers, though. Yeah.

Who knows? He said he just kept going toward the girl. The next thing I know, I felt like going over a speed bump real fast. toward the girl the next thing i know i felt like going over a speed bump real fast and he said how many times we went how many times we went over uh about i would say roughly two times and he said and that two times felt like going over a speed bump and he answers going forward and reversing oh what yeah um they said prior to feeling like twice you went over a speed bump did you see the girl at all before you ran over her? He said, before I seen her going across, kind of walking across.

And they said, OK, earlier you told me that. I know you are unclear, but were you pretty sure she had a bike with her? And he says, yes. They said, do you remember anything about the bicycle color or anything like that? And he says, no, I wasn't. It looked like she was standing up. She was holding something. I'm not sure if it was a bike. Okay. They said, just for clarification, who's the car belonged to, who was driving, answers Ian on both of those. Where was Sean? In the front passenger

seat. And he was in the back seat behind the driver. They said, okay, can you remember anything? Can you give me a description of the female? And he says, no, she was just like a Howley girl, which means a white girl. Right. That just means a non Islander H a O L E. Um, they said I had to look up the pronunciation of that one. Oh yeah.

I don't fucking know that. So he said, can you remember anything about the clothing or hair color? He says, no. I said, okay. After running her over,

what did you do? He said he ran out him and his brother and i was in the back trying to look um i didn't see what they really did but i know the body was in the front part of the car the trunk is in the front so they said would that be on the roadway in the front of the car yes and he said then we headed back toward uh oh uh they put the body in the trunk part of the bug in front. And they said, did you ever get out to look at the damage to the vehicle or anything? And he said, no. And so they head toward the beaches.

And they said, OK, then what? He said, then we made several more stops. And one of the stops was made by someplace by junk cars where there's cars, lots of cars. Then we walked out of the car. We stopped the car and got out of the car. And they said, did you ask, did Ian ask you to help him or anything like that? And he said, yes. He asked me to come out.

He asked me for come outside and help him carry the body out. So I did. We walked. And he said, were there any damages to the car then that you noticed on the front part of the bug? And they said, okay, then what happened? He said, then there any damages to the car then that you noticed on the front part of the bug? And they said, okay, then what happened? He said, then we carried the body out. We laid down, and she was still alive.

She never say nothing, never really act like she'd been hurt. Then Ian Schweitzer went, when end up having sex with her? That's how he put it. When, W-E-N, end up having sex with her? That's how he put it. When, W-E-N, end up having sex with her. They said, did you actually see him having sex with her? He said, yes. Then when he was done, it lasted for a short while, maybe a couple of seconds, 45 seconds. Anyway, he wanted me for go on top of her.

They said, to have sex with her? He said, yes. And I, I refuse. I told him I never like. And at the same time, when she was, when he was having sex,

I was just kind of enjoying watching, I guess, because of the drugs. They said at the time he was having sex with her. When we talked earlier, you mentioned that she was bleeding and had bloodstains on her. And he said, yeah.

And he said, can you remember what areas of her body were injured? He said she had blood coming out of her eyes, her mouth, and her nose, pretty much about it. That's what he said. He said, then what happened after Ian asked you to have sex with her and you refused? What happened next?

He said, he told me we got to kill her or knock her off, in other words. And they said, is that the words he used, knock her off? And he said, yeah. Did he tell you why? He said, if someone was to find her and she was to make it and live, she would tell on us and we would all get busted. So he told me to look for something. So I went and I found an L-shaped bar, a tire bar, one of those tire irons. And he said in the backseat area, he found it. Then I walked out to the bug or I mean, walk toward the girl. And he told me for hit her. So when I so I went swing all the way back and I went hit her on the head somewhere on the head. I'm not sure where. Then I dropped the bar and I went toward the bug on the driver's side. I remained outside. I was feeling sick and I told Ian that I cannot do this. So he

went back to her and I guess he when do I don't know what that means. So they said, did he have the tire bar when he went back toward her? And he said, well, I dropped it after I hit her. So they said, when you hit her on the head, did you notice what area it was? Did you notice if she was bleeding from that area or was there a wound prior to you hitting her? He said, no, I can't remember, but I know that the hit that I gave her was real hard. And after that, I was leaning on the bug and went back in the bug. And then later on, after Ian and the brother Sean came back, they closed the part of the trunk and then came in the car.

Then we left. He said, when you hit her with the tire bar, what was your intention? To make sure I killed her. To make sure she died? Yeah. It's pretty clear. And after you hit her, was she moving or anything like that? Do you know if she was still alive?

He said, I cannot remember. That I cannot remember. So he says, okay, after Ian and Sean came back in the car what happened next we headed back toward hawaiian beaches through the back roads then we made several stops to smoke cocaine again unreal wow what a fucking life these people are living and we live and we stopped ian schweitzer kept going back toward the front to the bug of the bug to make sure the body was dead just to check on the body they said and this was after you left the area where he had had sex with her yes do you know whether her body was in there after you guys left that area and had sex with

her and he said no i was already in the back so they said after making these stops after you left the area where he had sex with her did you see Ian unload the body anywhere else? So there was a second location. Wow. This is the dump spot. They hit her. Yeah. Took her in the trunk, took her somewhere, raped her, put her back in the trunk, then took her somewhere and dumped her. Drove around.

Drove around smoking shit and then went and dumped her. Unbelievable. Wow. That is fucking rank, man. That's disgusting. So they said, when did you first discover the body was not in the trunk of the vehicle anymore? And he said, when we were at Ian Schweitzer's house in Hawaiian beaches. They said, and how did you find that out?

We was washing the car to take the blood, take off the blood. And for some reason, we opened up the front. I guess for down, I guess shoot them down and never have no body or anything in there then ian ian came out of the house he took a shower that's why he told his brother sean to make sure um after he uh to put the clothes in a rubbish bag he said okay what happened to the rubbish bag ian tied a knot in it and threw it on the right side of the house through a bush well that's fine that's helpful and he left it there then when uh Then when, after all that was done, we headed back toward my house.

I said, can you remember what kind of clothes they were wearing? No. When you returned to your home, was there a party? A Christmas party. Isn't that nice? Wow.

They said, did anyone question Ian or you or even Sean as to the damages on the Volkswagen? And he said, yeah. They said, what was his answer? He said, I banged the trunk the volkswagen and he said yeah he said what was his answer he said i banged the trunk and after that he said uh was just saying don't worry about it just like i don't worry about it it's just a volkswagen who cares oh so then about two months after that they painted the volkswagen yellow okay so they did that and he said he lowered it a little bit and you know fucking played around with it he did some custom work to a vehicle that he raped and murdered a woman in yeah just a little

custom work there that's real fucking nice um well they said there was a lot of parts that that you're unclear to you it's a little fuzzy why is that and frank answers um uh drugs cocaine to be precise says you were smoking cocaine. Yes. Were you smoking in the days prior to that also? And he said, yes, I was addicted. So he said he got into the purple Volkswagen and that's all that happened. And wow.

Yeah, this is crazy. But then we find out later on too that, fuck man, when they tell, Jesus Christ, this is gross. They tell, because that's exactly what he says. When they tell him, you know, you didn't have sex with her, he said, well, my dick was hard, but she was all bloody and gross. What? That's what he said. Wow.

You know, head wounds and stuff. So why, you know. said, you know, head wounds and stuff. So why, you know, so they said they then took her, they took him. I mean, Pauline here to, uh, to con to conduct a reconstruction of his statements. Let's, let's do everything you did. So at the Schweitzer residence, Pauline pointed out the Volkswagen was now painted yellow and had no fenders and identified this as the car in the accident um you know there he began talking to police during this time by the way now he's transferred to maui community correctional center for his protection oh yeah yeah so um they said later in 1994 in apparent frustration that police might point the finger at him pauline went to the media with the

story now oh as we'll talk about later. They transfer him from Maui back to his other prison in May 1995 because he was a, quote, management problem and because of threats from other inmates. Feels like Frank doesn't give a fuck about anything. No, he doesn't care. And Pauline said while at Halawa uh prison guards there beat and sexually assaulted him prison says the prison guards this allegations came at a time when other prisoners were making similar statements that should happen to them so he told police in 1994 uh all about this like we said um now june 24th 94 five days after his statement, investigators come and raid the Schweitzer family home.

They take the beetle, obviously, as evidence. They take the brothers also made statements to police. Both brothers told police they didn't hang out with Frank Pauline, although they knew him. So they don't know what you're talking about. Sean said he was home on that Christmas Eve. And Ian said he was either home or at his uncle's house. Ian also said how he got the car he said another man traded the shells

he and another man traded the shells of their Volkswagens so that's how they did the thing he said it wasn't purple wasn't his color so he repainted it yellow had nothing to do with the fact that he ran over a fucking chick none of that he said that the only

reason that he thinks Paul Pauline said that we did this is because, because there's been bad blood between the families. Okay. According to police reports, Ian called Pauline and his family bad and a bunch of punks. So the brothers after initial statements decided not to make any other statements. So the bite mark was compared with samples from suspects,

including the Schweitzer brothers. Of the three defendants, only one so far excluded as causing the bite mark is Sean Schweitzer, the 16-year-old, the young one. So Dr. Norman Sperber, a San Diego forensic teeth specialist, said Albert Ian Schweitzer could be ruled out as causing the bite mark scene on the victim.

Also, other evidence includes a bumper found inside Ian Schweitzer's Volkswagen that had damage consistent with having struck a bicycle, a hair on the VW trunk lip and a turquoise Jimmy Zee T-shirt. Remember those? Oh, do those are great. Yeah. The Schweitzer's now Frank Pauline Jr. obviously went to the police and did all this. Let's catch up with the Schweitzer's.

Who are they? Well, Albert Ian Schweitzer has a little criminal record on him, too. He's got a couple of racing things, like racing on roadways, resisting in order to stop. Oh, third-degree sexual assault also. Uh-oh. Yeah. Like racing on roadways, resisting in order to stop. Oh, third degree sexual assault also. Oh, yeah. Sean Schweitzer's criminal record, by the way. He was 16 at the time. But since then, he's been busted for a fourth degree sexual assault, criminal contempt of court, another criminal contempt of court. court. A bunch of stuff like that. Why are they such shitbags? The three of these people suck. I don't care who did what. So, Albert Ian

Schweitzer here told the police detective in 1994 that his whole family was close-knit. He said he was especially close to Sean. He said, I think we're so close that people are jealous of us. He said he often hung out with his brother. They used to go to Pohiki and surfing and

water recreation spot he said that was my spot so he goes yeah i've been there before where they say you saw this girl he says he's been living on kawaii since about 92 and working as a as a nurse at samuel mecca fuck some hawaiian name hospital a. A sexual assaulting nurse. Oh my God. Perfect. How do you even get that job with that background? Jesus Christ. Hey, man. Lay back.

It's cool. It's so chill. Hey, you know what? There's sand on his feet. I think I trust him. Wow. Yeah, his only convictions are for a traffic offense and resisting arrest and also sexual assault from another case.

offense and resisting arrest and also sexual assault from another case. Now, Sean was sentenced earlier to 180 days in jail after pleading no contest to a reduced fourth demeanor sexual assault for inappropriately touching a girl who was 15 at the time of the offense. Sean was 16. So at least it was a girl that was in his, you know, it wasn't like a molestation. It was just a sexual assault, which isn't a lot better. But we're splitting hairs, but they're important hairs to split, I guess. It's a sexual assault of somebody his own age.

That's what it is. Yeah, that makes it slightly, I guess, less disgusting. So he wasn't charged with the crime until charges were also brought until this whole, not charges, but the investigation kicked up here. So he said, Sean says the media coverage has been stressful on him. Oh. Yeah. He had to quit his job at a resort because of the publicity. People have been staring at him, and he doesn't like it.

Also, the brothers have been featured on posters put up all over town that said want that say wanted dead not dead or alive just dead so that's kind of fucked up but i like it that's what i'm talking about there considering they certainly have information about there's no question they know something they know what happened then again they don't think anybody knows anything. That's the other thing, too. You see things that happen and you go, whoa, that didn't happen like that? I thought, oh, shit. Once you kill those two, you really can't take it back. The three of them certainly are aware of the gist of what happened. They seem to have some information.

They got to. Pauline tries to hang himself while in a jail cell in 1994 as well after this. Yeah. Then he calls the media in December of 94 as well. Jesus. He's going all over the place. In one in the newspaper story,

one of several versions he tells over the years, he said he's with the two brothers when the driver ran over a woman. They put her in the trunk, carried her to another place. At least one brother raped her. One brother also

hit her with a tire iron he said he was so sickened that he vomited and one brother threatened him when he wanted to leave he says now now he was just like a hostage in this story in this version he's a hostage and the other one he was just kind of like a just like a witness from the back seat a cocaine stoned man just yeah meandering around with a hard dick. Hard dick watching everything through a windshield like it was a television set, just sitting back there. 1995, Pauline's mother does an interview where she says he has a tendency to lie or exaggerate, but believed her son's allegations about the guards in prison were true. Okay. exaggerate but believed her son's allegations about the guards in prison were true okay so uh pauline was transferred to the oahu community correctional center after the accusations at the other place and he later filed a lawsuit against the state alleging civil rights violations

in connection with this 1996 um frank here he changes his story and says he wasn't there when whatever happened happened. Oh, my God. He's now exhausting. Fuck. He wasn't even there. He recants his statement. He said he wasn't there, but had information on who was responsible. OK.

He said he told police he was present because that's the only way they were going to listen to me. That's what he said. So in the meantime, he's been indicted on two new sexual assault charges unrelated to this case oh fantastic pauline so he's a great guy just a top tier kind of fella here um circuit court judge in october 96 called pauline unreliable in denying his request to commute his 10-year prison sentence into probation, Pauline told the judge he was a changed man. He said, The time I've spent in prison has truly impacted my life as well as my family's.

I realize now how important the beautiful life can be in a good law-abiding citizen and a good father to my three sons. He has three sons. Wow. So, mid-'96, an investigative grand jury is hearing testimony. That's to lock in statements by witnesses that can be read in court later in case they drop dead or something. Because once you're five years away from the crime, people forget. People die.

People move. They disappear. Yeah. They said, but not to bring an indictment. This is just to get statements. Like I said, you could have grand juried the other guy just to get a statement in when he came in and he'd have to identify himself. So another flap occurred during the hearings when someone forgot to notify jurors about a meeting. It delayed proceedings a week because they wanted me to tell him.

No one said, hey, we got court today. Like, dude, is this just everything that happens is like someone needs to be on top of shit here. We can't all go to the beach. We can't all go to the beach all the time. Like, someone's got to work here. This is fucking nuts. You don't understand. When you got a belly full of pineapple, man, you need a nap.

A belly full of ham and poi and you get. It's a lot of sugar. It's a lot. Wow. It's a lot. All the spam and pineapple. Oh, my God. In 1997, a new grand jury is impaneled, and they indict Pauline on this. 96 through 98, these few years come back here. There's delays.

The family, the Ireland family, files a lawsuit against the county saying the emergency response system led to this lawsuit they said that uh the murder investigation was shit at every pass the rescue workers were slow and all this type of shit uh they eventually settle the county settles the suit for 452 000 two thousand dollars. Wow. They know they did something fucking wrong here. No, they fucked up. So finally, October 97, the Schweitzer's are indicted in the case. A year later, Edward Blake, who's a DNA expert who actually was involved in the OJ trial.

Really? If you recognize that name, Blake or OJ, he analyzed evidence and found sperm on a hospital sheet that the victim was on, that Dana was on. The prosecution sent samples to forensic analytical laboratories, and the lab reported that the sample didn't match either the Schweitzer's or Frank Jr. Not any of the three? None of the three. What the fuck? Either they have filthy hospital sheets with other people's semen on them yeah or there's a problem right here so the charges against the schweitzer's are dropped at that point yeah dude it's gonna be so hard to beat that then they're re-indicted again a year

later oh boy okay now 1998 the doctor now changed his mind about the bite marks oh he now says after reviewing more evidence the schweitzer's teeth were quote consistent with the bite mark they're perfect they match now it's fine how does your how do your teeth change nothing has changed she has the same bite imprint same thing the teeth mark is perfect sometimes my jizz has different dna that's the thing it's i come out i don't know which hole to get it out of sometimes you know it works so at this time frank is also heading to trial for first and second degree sexual assault as we've talked about um this case though they're going to charge pauline frank pauline jr with second degree murder kidnapping

and sexual assault he did say he hit her to kill her. He said he hit her to kill her. You can't do that. Fuck. While she's being sexually assaulted, you're involved in that. Prosecutors are expected to try to show that Pauline was telling the truth the first time he confessed and that he was there

and participated. The defense says Pauline didn't do it and will try to show that this is just prosecutors under public pressure to charge somebody. And so this is our guy. The one guy who confessed to it, they charge him. Obviously this is crazy. I can't believe this.

So 1999, there's still 1999 they're still doing this. Eight fucking years. There's delays more. It's fucking ridiculous. they said five different trial dates have been set for pauline four times they're changed wow it's that's annoying uh finally john ireland the father said what really gets me is you're up to the point where you're ready to go to trial and zap just like that someone cut your legs out from under you the latest delay is only

because the defense attorney told the judge something in private and said it was something to do with personal reasons and that's so they're delaying the trial okay he had some shit going on at home i guess i don't know so the judge then ordered the paperwork locked up and dad ireland says why are they hiding i just don't understand why they're hiding what What the fuck here? He said that his only excuse was that he didn't have time because they had new lawyers in and the lawyer said that there's

5,300 pages of stuff and he only read 1,000 pages so he needs a delay. And he said he's had the case since January. He could have read the stuff. Sure. So they're all very frustrated obviously. The attorney change that happened was part of it as well. Apparently, the the judge disqualified this attorney dismissed this attorney two weeks before the trial started because of a potential conflict because he represented someone who was a potential witness, so they can't do that. He says, no, it's because I don't lose cases. That's why they wanted me off the case.

Yeah, I'm a champion. He said he's never lost a case, and when he doesn't get acquittals, he gets convictions for lesser offenses, so they didn't want me in there. The prosecution listed 228 witnesses. They said then added a new name a month before the trial, which was that name where the lawyer had to be delayed. So, you know, that's kind of kind of it's shady, but it's also gamesmanship here in this type of trial. So Louise Ireland commented, quote, I'll be dead before this is over.

She's a poor lady. It's poor people. It's fucking ridiculous. So they reindite the Schweitzer's. Like I said, they're doing this now. Witnesses, Hazel Franklin, the first to call police after Dana was found. She was a drive driver by there. She wasn't questioned by police until three years after the murder.

Later, an investigator asked her to look at a photo lineup to identify a man she saw about a mile from the scene but to imagine him 50 pounds heavier how do you do that uh franklin told him that was pointless after so many years you want me to go back in my memory years and then add 50 pounds so it's impossible yeah this i'm not a i'm not photoshop i'm not a fucking computer program. I can't do that. So Anna Cheryl, who found, obviously, Dana's bicycle and everything, she says that she had to move to a new home because her information was published out there. She says, besides relocating, I keep getting subpoenaed. This terrible thing keeps coming back in my mind. Just about the time I'm ready to go and do the testifying they cancel the whole thing and they reschedule it it's been my it's put my life on hold for quite a few years now i'm trying to have marks holding pattern here jerry gallagher who's the nurse who helped

dana ireland as she laid there had moved to utah wow she said she received four different subpoenas and they were all canceled eventually so later on, prosecutors told her to be ready to fly to Hawaii on a moment's notice. No. No. How about you figure it out and let me know what the schedule is. That's that. You make a schedule and I'll be ready. On a moment's notice.

One witness lives in New Zealand now. So good luck there. One witness lives in New Zealand now. So good luck there. Other witnesses, including expert witnesses, are now in Arizona, Texas, Wisconsin, and in an Oklahoma prison. So this is going to cost the state so much to get all these people here. Ridiculous. So at trial, Pauline, they disavow his confession and said he lied in order to get out of prison where he faced death threats. He just wanted to be moved.

And he said if he gave them some info, he knew they would work with him. So very interesting. They also wanted to charge him with murder by omission because he left her there, but then they said, well, he beat her with the iron, so we're not going to use that. But the Schweitzers are also charged with murder by omission. They're also charged with murder by omission hmm they're also charged with it so yeah this is they go back to his confession

obviously and they're like hey this is this is what he did they also have a video that defend the defense has where he's the defense seeks to introduce not only the testimony testimony of an accident reconstruction engineer but also the's report and videotape of a computer-generated simulation of the car accident. What? Yeah.

Remember Jury Duty? Yeah. This is what this is, except without good, like, AI. This is, like, fucking 1999. You know what this looked like? Right. This looked like a Dire Straits video. This looks like probably the same thing that was in that.

In the defense's version. Yeah. If you haven't watched Jury Duty, it's hilarious. What a show. What a show. Yeah. They said that the videotape showed the accident in real time based upon the prosecutor's theory while the report summarized the results of the videotape. The simulation clearly shows that the accident described by certain people could likely not have happened.

The simulation speeds were run at 20 miles an hour for the VW and 5 miles an hour for Ms. Ireland. Simulation reveals her trajectory as she's struck by the VW. She is thrown into the air and comes back to the earth and is again struck by the VW. The whole event lasts only 1.8 seconds in real time. Increasing the speed of the VW only causes more damage to Ms. Ireland. It's reasonable engineering probability that Ms. Ireland was not struck by this VW vehicle.

The simulated event obviously did not take place. It was only produced to show that this type of low sloping vehicle could not have caused her injuries. So he said her injuries were more than likely not caused by a vehicle with a flatter upright radiator with a conventional hood on it. The VW sedan does not have a conventional radiator. In response, the prosecution moved to strike this videotape, the report and the testimony as complete and utter horseshit that means nothing yeah because it's bullshit yeah it's crazy so the prosecution contended that computerized reconstruction is unreliable giving the assumptions made here

so um can't the guy who made the video explain that the data used by the computer program were derived from police reports and inspections of the bicycle and car the trial court agreed with the prosecution's argument and said you're not fucking showing this to a jury are you joking so the jury does view the trunk hood experiment and uh the jury was allowed to view the car in parts which had been identified by frank pauline as being involved in the accident immediately before the view the trial court explained to the jury that this would be they'd be viewing the car in the basement of the courthouse due to its large size. And nevertheless, the trial court instructed the jury to consider the Volkswagen

the same way it would consider any evidence, if it came in a baggie and you could pass it around. The trial court further directed the jury not to talk about or discuss anything while viewing, obviously. So they do all that. The following morning the council uh brought to the trial court's attention the fact that this is pauline's council at the front page of the hawaii tribune herald displayed a photograph of the car which was taken immediately prior to the jury viewing they said the photograph showed the trunk compartment with the gas tank missing. He said that that's he called it egregious tampering with the evidence was a direct attempt by the police and the prosecution to mislead the jury by portraying this Volkswagen as having this big open front compartment. Yeah.

Yeah. But still. I don't know how much difference it would make. She's very small. She was 104 pounds. Still, I don't know how much difference it would make. She's very small. She weighs 104 pounds.

And the front end of a Volkswagen, whether or not the gas tank's only 10 gallons. Maybe it's five gallons. It might be five gallons. It's very small and flat. It's not a giant thing. No, it's a small, flat gas tank. So it doesn't take up much room. You could probably, I'll bet you could fit a person in the front end of a Volkswagen. A tiny one, especially a very tiny person who's unconscious and you could fit a person in the front end of a Volkswagen. A tiny one, especially a very tiny person.

It was unconscious and you could manipulate. You put a spare tire in the front of a Volkswagen. You could probably put a person in there. And the way he described the actual hit, the impact, she was walking that bike. And if you hit a bike, it will fold. You know what I mean? And it'll fucking mangle. If it goes over, if they hit the bike first, she's trapped.

And they can absolutely run her over. Absolutely. No fucking problem at all. Jesus Christ. So they end up saying that they want a mistrial because of this, the defense. And they said, how about we just show the jury it with the gas tank and it won't call it even so that's what they did pauline's cousin testifies and he doesn't like it one bit he testifies against him dimitrio gonsalves jr explained why he came forward with information

about the murder he said i have one daughter of my own and i know how parents feel about their daughter who died you know and if this was my daughter, you know, damn, I would take things into my own hands. At this point, Pauline jumped up and shouted, then tell him who beat him. Tell him the truth, you fucking liar. Okay. Apparently he's saying he beats his kids, I guess. He testified, Gonsalves, that Albert schweitzer owned albert ian schweitzer owned the volkswagen bug and he said i know that because i previously owned it and i was the one

he traded shells with uh-huh so he said uh gonzalves who lived near the schweitzers noticed the car had been painted and work had been done on the fenders soon after christmas pauline's ex-girlfriend testifies oh boy charla figueroa here she testified that pauline was supposed to give her an engagement ring on christmas eve 1991 as family members gathered in a circle to exchange gifts early in the day but he didn't have the ring and she later heard he sold it for drugs jesus christ and she's still pissed it's so mad she's testifying against him eight years later it was the second time plans for an engagement had followed fallen through uh she said she was living in pauline's family home at the time where she did the cooking cleaning and laundry the prosecutor showed figueroa this

woman a picture of a blue shirt, and Figueroa said that's the shirt that had been worn by Pauline, and she could remember washing it. Figueroa also said she later saw the shirt on the news and heard it had been linked to the Ireland case. Because it's that Jimmy Z shirt. She says it's his.

During questioning, she also said Pauline said he confessed to being involved with the murder to help his brother who was in trouble with the law that's why he confessed so his ex-girlfriend's grandmother also confesses or not confesses testifies this is uh she says the holiday was supposed to be special it's you know big deal and she told me that frank did it again and she wanted to leave you know sold the engagement ring for crack wow that is fucking wild he said when she arrived when he arrived on christmas eve he had he was wearing shorts and no shirt and was crying yeah yeah she also says in 1994 pauline called from prison and wanted to give a message to the girl.

This is from the grandmother. The grandmother says this quote. He wanted me to tell her that he was, he was involved with the Ireland case, that he had hit her on the head with a tire iron and that he didn't know how to tell her. And that he was crying on the phone. So why would he confess to this grandmother? If that has nothing to do with moving prisons. Wow. So they also talk about the shirt.

Like I said, they talk about the shirt a bit here. Then they get another guy here. I guess there was a guy who used to have the shirt. Okay. He's wearing the shirt. A guy named Stephen Deering said he knows that he owned that shirt. Pauline did because he's seen it on him. He says, I know that because Pauline threatened me while wearing the shirt.

The Jimmy Z shirt. The Jimmy Z shirt. Yeah. He said this happened because a group of men, which included Pauline, stole a go-kart that belonged to this guy's three and eight-year-old sons. Wow. Scumbags. This guy went to the garage of a nearby home where Pauline and 11 other people were present. Pauline approached him, turned his back on him at a distance of three or four feet and

stood there with the image of the station wagon on the shirt, the woody station wagon facing him. With the surfboards hanging out the back. Yep. He said, I thought Frank Pauline was going to sucker punch me. The image of the shirt was burned in my mind. My kids' lives were in jeopardy, and my life was in jeopardy at that point. I was under fire, and it was a life and death situation. So, yeah, the defense said that, you know, they talked about, but it wasn't bloody when you saw it, was it? The shirt literally.

This happened well before that. So the chief investigator here, he testifies. that so the chief investigator here he testifies he says that um he heard pauline saying he was sitting in a volkswagen during the attack and that he had an erection at the time but didn't have sex with her more uh autopsy very graphic autopsy testimony that talks about how many units of blood and other fluids she was given and all that kind of stuff. We don't really need to get, she was given so much blood and fluids that she normally weighed 104 pounds at autopsy.

She weighed 152 pounds, 48 pounds of fluids. Unbelievable. Trying to save her. Jesus Christ. That is fucking wild. Closing arguments come around. Yeah. Prosecutor says, quote, Jesus Christ, that is fucking wild. Closing arguments come around.

Prosecutor says, quote, what's going through Frank Pauline's mind as he sits in that police cell and his accomplices are out? Because that's what happened at the time. I'll tell you what, two things. He said for a moment in time, he said Pauline had a conscience, and then he let conscience conscience and then he let others know what he had done. He also wanted to go to the police first before his accomplices so he could get a better deal from prosecutors. Pauline smiled as the prosecutor said, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, don't let him fool you for one

second. He's sharp. He's smooth. You saw that. So I don't think he's an idiot. Defense attorney said, my client's an idiot. He called Pauline a punk. This is his attorney. Jesus. Take it easy, man.

He said, quote, you think Frank's smart? I don't know. I don't know about you. I don't think talking himself into a murder charge is particularly bright. Okay. He said that Pauline is not a likable man and suggested the jurors would not want their daughters to date him. Nailed it. Anything else you want to,

where's the part where I'm innocent? If I'm Pauline, I'd be thinking, where's that part? How about defend me, man? Jesus. You just said a bunch of shit.

Like a girlfriend's father would say about me. He said, but you know, whether or not Frank Pauline is a nice guy or he like him, isn't really the issue in this case. He said the issue is whether the jurors think the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty of murdering someone. He discussed how the sperm examined by investigators, DNA from the sperm, which had been recovered from the body in a sheet, which she was lying on,

did not match DNA from any suspect. He said, let's see. We got no medical evidence, no DNA evidence, no vehicle or bike evidence, no scene evidence. We got a stupid story by Frank Pauline, a shoddy police investigation, just about every witness in the state that the state calls has a reason to lie or to try to help the state. You think there's maybe some reasonable doubt in this case?

A little bit. And the rebuttal to that from the prosecutor was that he said the dna evidence merely proves one thing that frank pauline is not the contributor of that particular semen sample or that sperm sample it cannot and will not ever say anything about his responsibility his involvement both as principal and accomplice in this case he said look at the photos of dana ireland this was not a single person who mauled that body. She was mauled by a pack of animals.

Wow. He said, what happened to Dana Ireland was something that should never happen to a human being. She was brutally murdered and apparently raped, and whoever did that should be convicted and punished very seriously. But the person, and his lawyer said in his rebuttal, but the person who did that is not Frank

Pauline Jr. So there you go. Okay. The verdict here, the jury deliberates for a while here. They're deliberating. It's six men, six women. They deliberate for a long time. Pauline's elder sister, Pebbles, by the way, took the day off from work to be with her mother in case the verdict came in.

She said that she believes he's innocent. She said at times, yeah, I had my doubts because you hear all these things. He had a radical side, but he simmered down quite a bit. Now he's just sexually assaulting people. Now he doesn't murder people. She said she's not sure if he'll be acquitted. She said there's no solid evidence against him. Nothing matches up, but you can't really say what's going to happen. She said there's no solid evidence against him. Nothing matches up.

But you can't really say what's going to happen. You just got to wait. Just all we can do is wait. The verdict comes in. They deliberated for two and a half days following a five-week trial. And they entered the room and they find him guilty on all counts. Guilty on all counts. Now, sentencing comes around.

And they're asking for less and more, and the jury says, you, sir, may fuck off. Life in prison for you, Frank. Okay. Now, they've still got two Schweitzers to deal with, and they're very quickly dealt with here. Family says they're relieved, at least. They said, quote, I don't feel any, this is John, I don't feel any closure. I just feel a relief that they've got him. I'm not happy or anything. And Louise said, I still think about her all the time. There's no closure and it never will be. Yeah, I would say the jurors took more than 14 hours to deliberate.

wanted to take a vote in the beginning, but I asked them to wait and keep an open mind. The jurors talked about all the witnesses and made a list on a blackboard of what parts of their testimony they believed and what they didn't believe and what they questioned. One of the things they quickly agreed on is that the t-shirt found near her body belonged to Frank Pauline. Everybody testified that. Pauline's attorney, Clifford Hunt, had tried to persuade the jury that the large-sized shirt would have been too small for Pauline, who weighed 200 pounds back then. But the jury didn't buy it. He said, quote, this is one of the jurors.

You like your shirt to fit snugly across your torso. A lot of local guys do that. Oh, that's that's the style there. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. That's how you wear it. Yeah. Yeah.

So you wear it. Yeah. Yeah. So you wear it on purpose. The jury was convinced that a purple Volkswagen was the vehicle that ran her over, believing testimony that the car had basketball-sized dent in it and was painted yellow shortly afterwards. That juror said, it was a gorgeous little number, and for somebody to take that and just suddenly strip it, why would you go to all that major problem to make it really different? Right. The car guy said it was in great shape. Why would you do that unless you go to all that major problem to make it really different? Right. The car guy said it was in great shape. Why would you do that? Unless you need it to. He said it was very believable to us that the bug was the actual vehicle involved. Okay.

Yeah. One doctor, a defense expert, testified that Dana's injuries were caused by a truck. And he said that help actually helped persuade the jury that she died by being hit by the bug. He said, we believe the part about how he believes she was injured by a car running her over. But yet we didn't buy the part about a pipe bumper on a small truck. So, yeah, they said even if she wasn't put into the trunk, the fact that the entire car was stripped and all the fabric was out, we figured she was either in the trunk or she was put in the back seat. Because they said, you know, was it possible to put her in the trunk? Would she fit?

And they said, really doesn't matter. We think they took her there somehow. We just don't know how. The jury was not swayed by the fact that sperm found on the hospital sheet didn't match anybody at all. He said, quote, we think there's another person involved that no one's talking about. That's what the jury thinks. There's a fourth person. But they think that he was in there.

They also said about Frank, they said that the jury did not believe the testimony that he made up the they said it was very compelling and it rang true. So they said through all this, they said they voted. Everybody agreed and they were very happy. Now, in 2000, Albert Ian Schweitzer is also convicted of murder. Yeah. In the second degree. And he is sentenced to, you may fuck off, 130 years in prison. That sounds like a lot that why does that feel worse than life it does right it feels like very daunting 130 years jesus christ it feels like i don't know with some legal wrangling i can get out of this but with 130 years it's like i don't

know that i'm ever getting out of that yeah It sounds like somebody took a pen and did some math and had a calculator out and like one of those green visored hats on that accountants are wearing. Feels so much worse than life. So right after that, Sean Schweitzer, the younger brother, was 16 at the time. He decides to take a plea deal. Really? Because he's scared that he's going to get the same thing. So he pleads guilty to manslaughter and kidnapping and because he was a minor at the time and they think he has the least

involvement of any of the three he gets credit for a year served really and five years of probation oh my why not plead guilty you got nothing you're getting nothing out of it. Might as well get it over with. My God. Shit. That or 130 years? Right? So Frank, while he's in prison, he talks to the A&E show American Justice. And he compares himself to the tale of the boy who cried wolf.

He said, wasn't me. That's what he said. He said, I said what I said, but then when they started to tell the truth, no one believed me like the boy crying wolf. So 2014, the Hawaii Innocence Project takes the case of Frank Albert and Sean. 2015, Frank, by the way, in 2012 had been transferred from Hawaii to New Mexico. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. Couldn't be any,

any more different. How's that? See air. Nevermind. Poor bastard. I was like dust. Okay. So on April 27th,

2015, Frank Pauline jr. Was found murdered in a remote location of the recreation yard at the correctional facility oh shit daniel hood who was serving time for another murder attacked and killed frank pauline by beating him three times in the back of the head with a large rock while they were all in the yard with a rock with a rock bashed his skull in this is at the southern new mexico correctional facility in las cruces um hood confessed to the murder telling investigators that tension with him with frank had been building for

the last few months and he said that he killed pauline because quote he thought pauline was a snitch and he walked around like he owned the place that's it that's it hood was serving 180 year sentence for first and second degree murder from two killings in Minnesota. So he didn't give a fuck. He's like, he just walked around like he owned the place. So I killed him.

Fuck off. They're not getting out anyway. A hundred and 80. He's sentenced to the maximum under the plea deal. 15 years that he must serve after finishing his 180 year sentence from Minnesota. All right. I'll be here minnesota all right i'll be here all right i'll be there january 2023 yeah recent a judge on tuesday this day ordered a man

released from prison immediately after his attorneys presented new evidence and argued he did not commit the crimes he was convicted of and spent more than 20 years locked up for. Albert Ian Schweitzer is released. The judge, Judge Peter Kubota, released that he should be, quote, released from his shackles immediately. With help from the Innocence Project, they represented him, and DNA evidence previously submitted in the case belonged to an unknown man man and all three of the convicted men were excluded as sources. New DNA evidence, according to the petition,

shows the Jimmy Z brand t-shirt found near Ireland and soaked with her blood belonged to the same unknown man, not one of the three men. Oh no. Yeah. Additionally, a new tire tread analysis concluded Schweitzer's Volkswagen Beetle car didn't leave the tire marks at either location where the Ireland and her bicycle were found.

A forensic odontologist, teeth person, also concluded the bite mark to her left breast wasn't a bite mark as previously believed. They were saying the teeth matched. Now they're saying it's not even a bite mark. It could be bruise from a fucking truck chunk or so yeah oh my god uh at a new trial today this is um the petition for this is their petition as at a new trial today the jury would not convict mr schweitzer of ms ireland sexual assault and murder in fact a prosecutor would likely not even arrest mr schweitzer for this crime. The likelihood that all three men participated in the sexual attack and left no trace of biological evidence, including a lack of evidence uncovered with advanced forensic testing, is extraordinarily improbable. Schweitzer's attorney and county

prosecutors entered into a conviction integrity agreement in 2019 to reinvestigate the case. It was the first time in Hawaii that there had been this type of agreement, which is increasingly being used to reexamine questionable convictions and guard against future errors. They said, over the last three years, we've shared information and reexamined forensic evidence. No matter the outcome in these post-conviction proceedings, we remain committed to identifying the unknown number one male

and seeking justice for Dana Ireland and her Ohana. That's what they said. Oh, my God. This is not aloha here. No. This is very not aloha. Oh, Jesus. What if that guy?

Yeah. So they said despite the evidence, they were all there. they said despite the evidence they were all there now sean schweitzer met with prosecutors now and recanted as well because he had had to you know say what he did for the plea according to the stipulation he pleaded guilty because his parents did not want to risk losing another son and they said you won't go to jail they said it's time served just fucking plea so his parents made him do what he said and they encouraged sean sch Schweitzer to do what he needed to do to come home and not suffer the same fate as his brother. He says, Sean says he continues to feel immense guilt about agreeing to the confession and entering a guilty plea for a crime he didn't commit and falsely implicating his brother. A polygraph test in November showed he is telling the truth when he denies any involvement in the murder.

They didn't do it. I don't think they did it. Wow. So they let him out. They just happened to be shitty otherwise. Yep, they let him out from an Arizona prison, by the way. Is that right? That's where Albert was, yep. And they'll take anybody there because they'll take the money.

So they said they're standing by. He was standing there. He says, I'm grateful. I'm very, very thankful. He says that his feelings are all over the place nervous anxiety scared he said the justice system is flawed and called himself one of many in prison people prison for crimes he didn't commit and he said being back in hawaii tastes great the air is good the water is good he went back he went back to hawaii yeah that's

where his family is that's where everybody is So who the fuck knows who killed Dana Ireland? What the shit, man? We don't know. We don't know. It might have been them. Maybe not. We don't know. I don't think they did it based on evidence.

It doesn't sound like he did it. What if it's that guy that was in love with her? That's what I mean. We don't know. That's what I'm saying. Why don't they run the fucking DNA? Oh, they did his DNA. They took his DNA at the time.

Oh, yeah. They polygraphed him dna him he didn't do it either not they everybody who was around they polygraphed the dna tested they did everything nobody matched up so we don't know what the fuck happened run that shit through 23 and me yeah that's what i mean let's get on somebody needs to solve this though because this is a horrible thing whoever did this is still doing bad shit absolutely that's not the first no no no no this is horrible especially the sophistication to go to another site yeah and in the daylight jesus on christmas eve no less right where is your fucking aloha jesus unbelievable

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