Small Town Murder - #425 - Strange Morals & Stranger Sexual Needs - Atascocita, Texas

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

This week, in Atoscocita, Texas, new desires, including some odd sexual demands cause a relationship to fall apart, and have the whole thing turn into a ridiculous murder plot. This involves crazy schemes, and many people, including a man, asking seemingly everyone he knows to kill for him. When everything becomes clear, it's one of the strangest murder plots of all time, with some of the weirdest sex ever had!!Along the way, we find out that people in Texas like to yell at each other out of open car windows, that some people are into sexual things that you've probably never even thought of, and that the more people you involve in your murder plot, the more people will certainly tell on you!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And who thought it was a good idea to have somebody who, you know, just works in a warehouse come out and try to tackle Cordell Stewart in 2007. Just a very strange show idea and very weird, and it made for some weird times well male delivery man race who there was all kinds of normal ass jobs yeah and then regular dude and you're playing against for for sure for yeah guys who retired like last year too like they're not like if they were 60 it would be different different, but they just retired. They're just not at the upper level of their play of a professional sport, but they'll crush you in two seconds.

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Jimmy will certainly mess your name up, even though he wants to get it right. Quickly, the disclaimer. It's a comedy show, everybody. We're comedians. Jokes are going to happen. Murder's also going to happen. But what we don't do, what we go out of our way not to do, is we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why is that, James?

Because we're assholes. Yeah, but? But we're not scumbags. That's how that goes. That's a deal. If that sounds good to you, I think we're going to have a wild time. If you think that true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever go together, well, maybe we're not for you. And maybe we are, though, but no complaining afterwards.

For the rest of you, though, that want to hear a wild story, I think it's time to sit back let's all clear the lungs everybody arms to the sky and let's all shout let's do this everybody all right let's go on a trip shall we all right we're going all the way to texas hey back on down to texas atoska c to texas is where we're going here yes this is uh outside of houston in that area southeastern texas atoska c to atoska that's how you're supposed to say it i mean i'm sure they say atoska c to there just they say, you know, some people there will say quesadilla. So, you know what I mean? Just based on the accent, I think. But it's A-T-A-S-C-O-C-I-T-A.

Acostasita. Okay. Okay. Texas here. Now, this, if you're recognizing the town, this sounds familiar. And you purchased our last virtual live show on 420. This is the story from that. But with here, we can have more details because it's longer.

We can do a live show. You don't want it to be two hours and 45 minutes long. That was a lot of marijuana smoke. Yeah, a lot of weed smoking, and that was a crazy show. We had a very good time. Jimmy will not remember any of this. That's the most weed Jimmy smoked in 20 years that night. That was a lot. I'd love that night so that was a lot i'd love to try that was a lot so like i said southeastern texas outside of houston it's about three and a

half hours to dallas from this area it's in harris county which i believe is where houston is too area code 281 nickname for it they didn't didn't really dip into the creative well too deep here nickname for it they didn't didn't really dip into the creative well too deep here the big a yeah i hope they didn't hire a marketing firm to come up with that one that is an incredibly white man that can't pronounce the word or well as the locals will say this is their other uh motto here quote even we can't spell that shit and it's on the sign so it's hard to spell for this town big a buddy that's what it is so the history of this town the name derives from the atascosito military outpost and subsequent road constructed by the spanish in 1756 holy yes the atascosito road was from at at the time, Spanish Louisiana, which Spain, I think Spain had Louisiana first.

They're the ones who sold it to the French. The French ended up, obviously, Louisiana purchased. We bought it from them. So, you know, it's like a third hand. Yeah. The whole western United States is third hand. It's, you know, fourth because the Native Americans had it before that. So it's fourth-hand.

Like, it's just very used. If you had a car with this many owners, you'd be questioning a lot of things on it. You're checking the car facts. You're making sure, seeing how many accidents it's been in. Has this odometer been rolled back? What's going on? Somebody hit something, fixed it themselves, and didn't report it. I guarantee it.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, just I'm not reporting this. That fender just doesn't look right. It doesn't look like the other one pull it out in the garage fuck it's different grade of fiberglass so that it stretched from louisiana into here all the way into san antonio so and it came through here yeah somehow atascocito this town got the name of the whole road here it was was a big route for migrants moving to Texas in the 1820s and 1830s. And at first it was Acostecito, and then it went to Acostecita. So they went from a masculine to a feminine on that one.

No one knows why or how. Construction in this area, as far as houses and Walmarts and things of that nature didn't start till the 1970s. Awesome. This area was just the middle of nowhere, 200 years of nothing outside of Houston. Then when Houston spread out, it used to kind of bumped into it basically, you know, suburbs you need. So on the nineties it had, it was, uh, had 15 different neighborhoods that were all one of the fastest growing developments in the Houston area, like the greater Houston area.

It was like the suburb that was popping in the 90s there. It was named recently by U.S. News and World Report one of the best places to retire. Retire. Retire, citing Lake Houston's boating and fishing opportunities and numerous golf courses oh so if you boat fish or golf it's great but otherwise i don't know what you're getting that and yeah that's to be in texas is that the only like that the only parameters for best places to retire what's the fishing and golf lack what if you you're into other stuff? No? I don't know. That does seem to be like what all old men or just guys in their 40s and 50s are like,

fuck, I can't wait to not do this anymore so that I can just golf and fish. I've never golfed in my life, though. No? No. You've never played around to golf? No. I've gone to a driving range before. Yeah.

Where the fuck am I going to play golf? James, you've lived in Arizona for so long. Yeah, but I'm not a golf, like, I'm not in the golf class. Right, but you don't know that unless you try it. I can drive a ball really well. I'm good at it. But I never tried to, like, you know, get it in a fucking hole or anything. That's my point.

You never played a round of golf. No, in my life, never. I am fucking shocked right now. I'm fucking shocked. I'm shocked that a round of golf. In my life, never. I am fucking shocked right now. I'm fucking shocked. I'm shocked that you look so shocked. I really am. I understand that you are a feral house cat that doesn't necessarily do the... I like outdoor shit, though.

I'm outside all the time. Yeah, but you don't do... I like sports. Look, nobody goes and plays around a golf by themselves. You got to have other people with you, and that's not you. Well, I'll take one person with me. Yeah, but if you got two people, then the course pairs you with another couple. That's the thing.

Because if me and you, if I say, let's go play golf, we're not playing with two strangers. We're just going to make fun of them the whole time. That's all that's going to happen. You can't... That's the game. You can't join. We can't join a group, the two of us. It's just two other dickheads.

We can't do it. Yeah, but you know how we are, though. By the end of it, we would just be making fun of those people. That's all we would do to hide our terrible golf abilities. Well, you can't smoke that on this course. Fuck you all smoking where I work. I'm outside. It's all grass. Just shut up. I can't smoke that on this course. Fuck you all smoking it where I'm outside. It's all grass.

Just shut up. I can't deal with it. This looks like I'm smoking a divot. Leave me alone. For me. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've never.

I can't believe you've never golfed. Never. Not in my whole life. I don't have clubs or anything. I think I'd rather think of my challenges more to take you golfing than to a rodeo. I'd rather see you golf. Well, I'd be more interested in golfing because to a rodeo. I'd rather see you golf. Well, I'd be more interested in golfing because I like swinging it.

I like sports. Because it's stupid. I like basketball, baseball, you know, that kind of shit. It's just so dumb and awful. It's so much fun. Yeah, it seems like it'd be fun to go be terrible at it. You know what I mean? That'd be a good time. I don't want to take it serious with you.

No. I've never played before. I'm not going to take it serious. I'm going to go, where the fuck did that go jesus christ and i'm gonna make fun of myself about it i don't want to be on a golf course with anybody that takes it serious fuck no god no jesus you have a day job knock it off we'll bet on the on the highest score shut your fucking mouth yeah this is you should be doing this you own a lot of khakis i don't mouth yeah this is you should be doing this you own a lot of khakis i don't yeah but you're still not phil fucking nicholson so eat shit exactly in uh in 2009 the gadberry group named a tosca cita one of the nine from 2009 most notable high growth areas of the united states so it went it

doubled in population from 2000 to 2020 holy crazy yeah this has got a higher population than normal for us but not when the crime occurred is the thing so reviews of this town here we go five stars hey i have family members that lives in a tosca seat i'm reading exactly how it goes and that sounds like exactly how the person talks yeah that lives in a tosca seat And I always love visiting the area. I was astonished how close everything is in a Tosca Cita. It's a small town. Yeah.

The doctor's office to the grocery market to the bank. Yeah, because it's a small town. That's what happens. I couldn't believe there was a strip mall. If you kept driving, then you'd be in the next town. That's how that goes. Yeah. And it's just a strip mall. If you kept driving, then you'd be in the next town. That's how that goes. Yeah. And it's just a strip mall.

I like how quiet Atascosita is at night. I do plan to live in Atascosita in the near future as it is the only suburb in Houston that I like the most. The only one they like the most. Which by nature, if you like it the most, it can only be the only one that you like the most. It feels like Stevie wrote this without the word astonished. That's a tentative grasp there on the language, I would say, at best. That's Love Strongs. Three stars.

Okay. My neighborhood was safe and family friendly when we moved in, but over the last several years, it's gotten way more dangerous. My next door neighbor was shot in his driveway. That is, when we say it, we're always like, oh, whatever. Your neighbor's shot in the driveway. Yes, your neighborhood has gone downhill at that point. You can go ahead and say it. It's gone to shit, really.

By a man that was trying to steal his car. Oh, my God. So he came out and said, don't steal my car, and the guy shot him. Wow. No word on whether he got the car or not, though, which I hope he did. Or if he survived. Did he survive? I hope.

It doesn't say. It just said he was shot in the driveway. Here's two stars. Okay, this is a weird one. I don't feel safe here due to the people who yell at each other through car windows. How do you hear it through i will open the car windows i assume window holes like anyway so that's the safest town because those people are giant pussy that's it yeah if you're yelling out a car window you're getting it all out and there's no anything no one's getting hurt by it so i think you're hauling ass so nobody can

hurt you you motherfucker you piece of shit asshole that's what people do as they drive the other direction and you don't care but this person does not feel safe here's two stars this area seemed nice seemed with new buildings and stores however the people here are not very friendly. While going to the grocery store, I've witnessed people screaming angrily out of cars at each other. Again. That is a thing. It must be just an endemic problem in this town

because if two reviews out of like 15 say that, I'm sorry, that's weird. It doesn't feel like a safe place to me. Okay then. two stars i live in a trailer park well there we go we'll end that one right there because we know what's coming next it's not good i live in a trailer park so a lot of people do not care for their homes or yards we do not have any street lights or sidewalks this sounds like an idyllic little neighborhood, huh? What trailer park has a sidewalk?

Yeah, really. Trailer parks usually don't have sidewalks. It's just fucking cement or pavement. Streetlights would seem helpful. That seems nice, yeah. Seems like this is just a field that they plopped a bunch of trailers into, essentially. Many of the surrounding neighborhoods are government housing.

Lovely. This just sounds lovely. Two stars. In my area, I feel unsafe due to... What do you think? Angry car women? Gang violence and drug use. Okay.

One scary moment in my life was when there was a convict who escaped the jail right next to my house. Well, I think... I think when you did that, you went, well, no one will escape. That's a calculated risk you took and you lost. That's all. Some neighborhoods I'm too scared to drive by as well.

Jesus. Drive by. Drive by them. Holy crap. And then three stars. This person's the most honest review I've ever heard. Quote, haven't been anywhere else, so how would I know the difference? Thank you. Is that real?

Yep, that's a real review from Niche. Unbelievable. Haven't been anywhere else, so what the fuck do I know? Then why are you writing this? I'm not going to throw... That's why review it at all is a question. That's a question for most people. Like I always say, unless they've done something

horrible to you, why are you writing this? Why are you here here which is the point of our new podcast your stupid opinions it's exactly the type of stuff we're trying to figure out all right thank you for writing this insane thing fuck man so people in this town today it has grown hugely 84,222 holy shit but in 1990 it had 18,902 yes that much oh my god yes it's gone from four times the size right yeah yeah almost 400 percent almost five that's a that's a shitload of of action there's no way they did that right right well no they build on floodplains there in houston that's why every time there's a fucking hurricane the whole place floods they go what happened where's jj watt it's like you're on a floodplain every fucking time this happens guess what happens

because we've been to houston that's what the people tell us that live there they're like we live on a fucking floodplain that's what it is. We all know it. Or the temperature drops below 50 and they can't charge their iPhone. There's no way that this kind of growth that you can keep up with it. It's just too fast. It's too much. Few more males than females, which is off our normal thing here. Median age is 33. It's a little bit young.

Most of the people here are married with kids. That's the type of place in the suburbs. 59% married. 44% married with the type of place in the suburbs. Fifty nine percent married. Forty four percent married with children out of everyone in the town. Race of this town. Forty eight point three percent white. Nineteen point five percent black. Three point one percent Asian.

Twenty six point four percent Hispanic. So you get a it's a mixture here. Religion in this town. Sixty point five percent are religious. So yeah a it's a mixture here. Religion in this town, 60.5% are religious. So a lot of religion down here. And as you might guess the, well, it's a, it's a neck and neck horse race. It's a photo finish between the Catholics and the Baptists because that's Texas basically. Cause you got, there's Mexican people and the whitest white people together.

And you mix the most Mexican with the most white and you get a lot of Baptists and Catholics around. Fascinating. And that's what it is there. So 0.6% Jewish. Almost made it there, but not quite. Sorry, everybody. In this county, Harris County, last election, 55.9% of the people voted Democrat and 42.7% Republican, 1.4% independent. Unemployment rate's a bit high, higher than the rest of the country at the moment. Median household income here is also high,

though, because it's a suburb, so people can choose to move out here. $82,361, which is about $25,000 over the national average. That's not bad at all. Cost of living here, $100,000 is average. Here, it's $100,500. Very good. Very average. Housing is the low one, actually. Really? Median home cost.

It will be swept away in a hurricane flood, so you've got to worry about that. But J.J. Watt will save it. He'll bring it back. That's a real etch-a-sketch around here. J.J. Watt will save it. He'll bring it back. It's a real etch-a-sketch around here. That's what's the thing I love about a Tosca seat is if you don't lack something, wait a couple years, it'll all be different.

Kids' school's a piece of shit? Well, Flood will take it away, and we'll have a new one in a few years. Ohio says it about their weather. Texas says it about the landscape. About the landscape, the landscape the businesses everything the economy the culture wait a minute texas keep on your toes that should be the state motto maybe next hurricane season it's 110 in the summer it snows in the winter everything could be gone at any moment all bets bets are off, Texas. All bets are off. So if we've convinced you the only place to be is Atoska Cedar, Texas,

we have for you the Atoska Cedar, Texas real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here, $1,700 a month, which is well above the national average. So buying seems to be the way to go about it here. We have house number one, four-bedroom, two-bath, 1,674 square feet. Your average family house, four bedrooms. You have three kids in there and all that. Fresh paint and all this type of shit. It's a nice house.

$227,000. So not bad. Yeah, that's not bad. You got a couple of kids. You want to have a nice house, a nice little yard. There you go. Boom. House number two, four bedroom, two bath, 2199 square feet.

So there we go. A little bit bigger, spread out a little bit. Located in the golf course community of Walden on Lake Houston. So it's in a golf course, so you know exactly what the house looks like. It's that house right there. $325,000, though, for that. Are there fees for dues? $300 per year, HOA fee.

Per year. Oh, that's great. That's pretty low, yeah. A lot of places,A fee per year. Oh, that's great. That's pretty low. Yeah, a lot of places that's per month. And house number three, holy shit. This one, I said this in the virtual live and I'll say it now. Everything is not only bigger in Texas, it's apparently also gaudier and that's coming from an Italian. So if an Italian says too gaudy, holy shit, start taking some gold off of it, because wow, that's a rare one.

Five bedrooms, seven bath, T-bowl for each and every b-hole, 8,267 square feet. Holy shit, that's so much house. That's a lot of house. That's like three good-sized houses. You know what I mean? Four. Jesus. Four 2,000 square foot houses.

Four good-sized houses. It's what I mean? Four. Jesus. Four 2,000-square-foot houses. Four good-sized houses. It's on 2.17 acres. Fantastic. The listing says it's a lavish bounty of natural splendor. Oh. Jesus. Really. They're calling it a livable forest around it.

Tons of windows. Banks of windows impart views of the spa-like settings that offer breathtaking pools, sprawling grounds, a gazebo, and the largest boathouse on Lake Houston. So for some status, $2,499,000 for that house. $6,050 HOA fee as well per year. $6,000? Per year. $6,000 a year. Holy fuck.

That's a little different now. Now we're talking $500 a month is a little different. Things to do here. The Houston Whiskey Riot. You got to go to that. A riot. Riot. Early bird tickets are $85 to this.

Jesus Christ. That's $160 for a VIP ticket. You can try over 200 whiskeys. Okay. Which in Texas, there's going to be a lot of people screaming at each other out of car windows on the way home from this bad boy, I have a feeling. You can try all of them? All of them.

Wow. And it says this. I love this one. There's in the Q&A there, you know, facts. Will there be designated driver tickets available? I would hope, obviously. Yeah. Not drinking.

No, is the answer in the age of ride sharing and cell phones there's no reason why a safe ride cannot be home cannot be coordinated figure it out on your own get drunk and figure out how to get home is what they said rather than planning ahead because you're going to drink 200 whiskeys and having someone wow that's good job guys wonder why people are angrily shouting out of car windows there i can't imagine why you're gonna charge your friend full price to come in that's not drinking jesus it says be a responsible whiskey drinker and make a plan for getting home that doesn't require getting behind the wheel okay well they did they were gonna bring a friend but you want to charge them full price that's what i mean it's crazy and then there is the good oil days festival okay

good all days oh i got it oh you motherfuckers good oil days festival was created to celebrate i know it's humble but i'm not calling it that yeah humbles rich history in the oil industry as well as to bring business into the hub of the city. And that's in quotes for some reason. I don't know why. We want it to be the hub. They said it's one of the biggest events in northeastern of the area northeast of Houston. That's what it says.

So in all of that area, they're going to have food trucks and all that kind of shit. So come on out for that. And there's an oil boom raffle as well you can go oh too i don't know if you win like a you win a wildcat well you just you drill a hole in it see what you got buddy that's what you win that's the texas scratcher right there you might be rich buddy that's that's what i'm saying i mean you got to get yourself a big drill but still it's not exactly a quarter and scratch it off, but that's fine. Crime rate in this town, right about average.

Maybe a drop low, but right about average here. So that's for property crime anyway. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about half of the national average. Very safe. This is a safe, nice little suburb that people live in where the grocery store and the doctor's office and the bank are all in one strip mall. Everything's nice. They do their deed in their own car.

They don't hurt anybody. Nobody. Yeah, they will get drunk and yell at you, but that's another story. That's not murder, rape, robbery, or assault, so who cares? Not my problem. You know what I mean? That said, let's talk about some murder. Okay. Okay. This is a twisty, wild, crazy-ass case here. so who cares not my problem you know what i mean that said let's talk about some murder okay okay

this is a twisty wild crazy ass case here so all right here we go let's go back in time to 1994 is when everything's gonna happen but we'll talk kind of before that and lead up to 1994 let's talk about Bob Bob Bob Robert Robert Allen Frata F R A T T A. Yeah. Bob. So Bob he's born in 1957. Bob is apparently he was very as a child. He was very traumatized by going out to on a hunting trip with his father. That wasn't the traumatizing part.

He was fine with that when he was a teenager. But his father suffered a heart attack and dropped dead in the middle of a hunting trip. Oh, Jesus. Like just the two of them out in the woods, and he just dropped dead. So he has to – he's dead dead. Like there's no saving him. It was one of those, you know, you're not – Bob, go get help as he clutches his chest yeah he was like hey bob this over here looks like a and he was i think it's one of those just you have to field dress him yeah i was gonna he

definitely hung him from a tree you know he didn't field dress him he was gonna see if the ambulance would come if not he'd get to it but he's like i hung him up here next to next to the seven pointer i got so poor bastard that's fucked up man that's that's pretty wild so that was when he was a teenager and uh as he grows up here when he's 26 he meets a woman and gets married in 1983 he marries a woman named Farrah, so her name's going to be Farrah Frotta, which is a tough name. Farrah Frotta. You've got to say them together. If they don't work, you've got to look them in the eye and say, I can't do it.

Either that or I'm keeping my name. I'm not being Farrah Frotta. In 1983, that was a big deal. Now, who cares? Sarah kept her name. I don't give a shit. I don't blame her. I was like, you want to be Pedra Gallo? You want to spell that out for everybody no you don't stick with yours trust me you'll be fine i understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media will have to come to the conclusion that i killed my wife hi my name is zach stewart pontier i'm one

of the filmmakers behind the jinx and i'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on Max starting April 21st. Bye bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller, available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager, but local deputy Ruth Vogel isn't convinced. She suspects connections to a powerful religious group.

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Oh, God,'s much easier paperwork oh god so much easier so farrah her maiden name is bakwar bakwar b-a-q-u-e-r backer backer i guess backer bakwar depending on how french you want to get with it yeah or it's backer in texas it's backer yeah she likes it because it sounds like when they say tobacco real fast yeah backer got a lip full of backer but she likes it because it sounds like when they say tobacco real fast yeah backer got a lip full of backer but she is not even born in this country so in texas it's different she is born in uh surrey england actually really yeah a lot of english girls roaming around southeastern texas don't you know that it's a very popular place for them to end up queen of england shit down yeah it's a lot going on very classy there's a pipeline just right from london to

southeastern texas no one can figure it out or stop it but they have like an arrested development a wee britain there and everything it's a she's born in 1961 so she's about four years younger than bob but that's all right they He's 26. She's 22. Perfect. They get married. Everything's wonderful. They're going to end up having three kids together. Great.

Three kids. They have in 1987, they have a son named Bradley. In 1988, they have a son named Daniel. And in 1990, they have a daughter named Amber. So pump three years. They pump out three kids within three years. Done, done, and done. That's impressive there.

Just get them all done. Oh, God, that's so hard, though, when they're that little. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's wild. Now, my brother has two small ones, and I'm like, what are you doing? A few months old to three years old? Oh, my God. When they were, like, real little, I was like, what have you done?

What is going on what is wrong with you two jesus have you no self-preservation how could you do this i'm impressed that you haven't killed them both honestly at this point poor bastard's gonna lose his hair man so the three of them they have them real quick and bob's well i think maybe also bob is pretty horny as we'll find out. Oh, good for you, Bob. That might help in this situation. These might not all be on purpose. We don't know. Farrah works for American Airlines for a few years.

Yeah. Not like on planes, but not as a flight attendant. Oh, just on the ground? On the ground somewhere. Yeah, on the phone. Maybe a ticket counter, something like that. Okay. Now, Bob was working as a Missouri City public safety officer.

Missouri City is the city. Public safety? Missouri City public safety officer, which- Like a cop? No, not a cop. A public safety officer, which is exactly what our friend Dennis Rader did for a living. He was a compliance officer. Public safety and compliance are just different.

It's the different names for the same. A non-cop who walks around with a badge on. Yeah. Looking like a cop. Doing some cop shit. Doing some cop shit. Not the exact same job as Dennis Rader. Not cop shit, but you know, some cop shit. Some cop-ish shit. Yeah. Light cop shit. Cop adjacent

horse shit is what they're doing. Diet Yeah. Yeah. Light cop shit. Cop-adjacent horse shit is what they're doing. Diet cop. Yeah. Diet cop. Cop light is what this is really. Try some cop light. Try it. Big glass.

It's bubblier, actually, than regular cop. Cop light is much better. So there, at the time, the way it was described was a hybrid firefighter slash police officer, but not a police officer. Okay. But sort of a police officer. Yeah. That's what I mean. It's one of those things.

He wants to be a cop because he tried to be in the Houston Police Department. He didn't start out here. He tried to be in the Houston Department, but he tested there and subsequent to his testing he is twice denied a place in their police academy ouch so yeah bob's not their specimen of their specific what they're looking for so he goes to missouri city and takes whatever they got which is get some column a column b and walk around make sure shit's all right and then if something catches on fire grab a hose change some batteries and some smoke detectors yeah and like and break people's balls for parking infractions or something of that

nature infractions of that type so marriage too is not going well after a while really yeah once they're married eight years or so seven eight, eight years, once the kids are all there and, you know, it's hard to raise three little kids. We've talked about this before. Three little kids. People are, you're working. Everybody's working. You're trying to not only pay the bills, keep the kids alive, make sure they're not, make sure they learn how to fucking read and all that kind of shit. It's a lot of pressure on people.

And people, it's like, I've said it a hundred times it's like running a small business that you know it will never be profitable that's what it is you're never going to make a profit at most you're just like phew got done with the day and it's over with and you know it's really hard the bills this month but yeah uh so next month's already looking like it's going to be behind think about a working with a business partner where you work 18 hours a day next to them and no one ever makes anything money-wise out of it you two are going to fucking fight after a while that's just how it is there's going to be tension and strain on it and it does uh but his complaints are different than it's not uh we don't spend time together and she's you know i don't know i want a little

more of this a little more with that. His whole problem was that sex with her was not as exciting as he wanted it to be. Yeah. Yeah. You have three kids. That's called, you have three kids. Right. You fuck when it's quiet.

That's what you get. You fuck when it's quiet. Yeah. In about 15 years when they're all out of the house, you can fuck on the kitchen island all you want. Yeah. Enjoy. In about 15 years, when they're all out of the house, you can fuck on the kitchen island all you want.

Enjoy. Just sweep the spices off with your free hand and plow right there on last night's garlic bread. It doesn't matter. We're fine with that. And you say the filthiest shit between your ears. You don't say it out loud because the kids might hear. I'm sorry. You've got three little ones.

It's not easy. It's just choices. Right. and one may be into it and the other may not right now yeah yeah and she may only be into it from time to time because i don't know she just wiped an asshole three assholes to be right and on top of that that's kind of why like you know marriage people who are married will have like hotel sex that's you know they'll go to what we got one night in a, we can really tie one on and go crazy because you don't get to do that around the house very often. And that's just a decision you make. You go, do I want to have freaky sex all day, every day, all around the house?

Or would I like to have a family? There it is. They don't go together. You can have freaky sex and have a great sex life if you're married with kids and all that kind of shit but three little kids it ain't happening right i'm sorry unless you have a lot of help like a lot of nannies that live there that have bad hearing yeah you're gonna do a lot of fantasizing and jerking off over the toilet and flushing the evidence that's what you do otherwise you need hearing impaired nannies. You're going to have a good time. So he tells people that when they first met, Farrah had pursued him relentlessly. Yeah.

You know, he said, quote, in the beginning, I wasn't very attracted to her physically. This is a quote from him. What? In the beginning. I was like, eh, no good. Quote, but she treated me wonderfully. Licked my balls. Yeah, this is the Eddie Murphy raw.

Any woman can have any man. All you have to do is cater to his ego, and that's exactly what it is. Even if we're like, I don't really like you. We're like, I don't know, she's being really nice to me, and eventually we'll give in. Whereas that doesn't work with a woman. Yeah. They'll respect you less for that. You know what I they'll be like she's i don't know i don't but she's 69s a lot and then a girl would be like he tries to 69 all the time it's yeah all the time but he hates it whereas he loves it he's not yeah and for him too he's not like you know scared of her it's not

like she's gonna break into his house and fucking rape him or anything so it's like yeah she's just some chick that you know is coming on to me over here uh quote she was already engaged but she kept pursuing me knowing i was dating other women okay so she was ready to break up her pending marriage right to chase after a guy who was playing the field openly. Yeah. It was a playboy and enjoying freaky sex. And she was like, no, no, I'm going to tame you. Apparently he said, quote, she wanted to cook for me, clean for me, do my clothes for me.

I was like, this woman's wonderful. Yeah. He needs that. I grew to love her and fall in love with her what a pig she just she did everything for me and made my life so easy she's washing my clothes for me and you know kissing my ass and i'm sure she let him get away with a lot of bullshit as far as you know he said something stupid she was like i'm gonna let that go you know um but what is she getting out of it to where she wants to do this stuff to he's this is this is a thing though this is how bob is telling it this

is a lot of things you need to know about bob bob thinks very highly of himself oh bob works out a lot at the gym bob like cares about his body. And Bob is like, I'm a handsome guy. Look at me. And I'm, you know, this is I play the field and I'm a I got a badge and I work out all the time. And, you know, he thinks very highly of himself. So that's a huge ego. This is the way he sees it, which might not be reality.

Okay. Yeah. Later on, he was asked if he thought she was beautiful okay and he he gives a long pause oh bob anything you say is unconvincing unless unless he went stops and says i think she's the most beautiful i was thinking about it yeah i haven't seen a sunset i haven't seen a i haven't seen a rose bloom i haven't seen i haven't seen an ocean with the same intensity and twinkle as the blue in her eyes i haven't so you know what the answer is not beautiful the most beautiful yeah unless that's your answer the pause is bad

if that's your answer pause away if you're thinking about what poetic fucking thing she is more beautiful than great otherwise we know you're thinking of how to say this softly and you're a dick this is what he said yeah quote i thought she was attractive but she was only five four oh well then which by the way is the average size for an american female adult so adult five four is pretty good yeah yeah well whatever the hell does height matter with that right i've never i've gone out with in my life women who are six feet tall i've gone out with women who are 4 11 my wife's five foot one like everything in between it doesn't matter i've never thought of height as the as a deal breaker for a woman for me i don't care i'd like her to not be taller than me that'd

be good yeah i'd like her to not be like six foot seven other than that i've never even thought about it doesn't matter i don't think you know you know my type of woman is the one that goes i like jimmy that's my god because we're not insane and thinking that like, oh, we can get all these women. Yeah, I can't do it. He's like, she's only 5'4". He's narrowed it to, I need hot and tall and cook for me. This is a lot to ask a woman. Jesus Christ.

You're not going to find that one guy. He said, quote, I wanted to marry a woman who was taller than that. Oh. That was his plan., marry a taller woman. Fascinating, man. It gets better. She didn't meet the physical attributes of what I was looking for in a wife. Why'd you marry her then?

Well, he said it was insecurity because I was short and skinny. He's like one of these ads in a workout magazine. That's how I felt then. But then once i started getting in the gym and working out now i'm great but he was like i was so insecure that i was looking for like a tall a woman who was like some tall hot you know like whoever whatever david spade did for 30 years like he's got that disease still does yeah and still does somehow but it's wild you can only pull that off when you're famous bro sorry that's david spade's like

five four yeah are you joe dirt i don't think so and he's a hideous little goblin too in real life that's the other thing he's not a great looking man they put a lot of makeup on him in movies i mean back in the day but we saw it in comedy for years he slays out there unbelievable so he wants at the point in his marriage when they're at the rat now, where he's unhappy sexually, what does he want from her, first of all? Is he asking for, like, sex more than once a month or something? And she's going, no, I don't want to. Is she frigid? Is it, like, some sort of, you know what I'm saying?

Or is it the fact that he wants what he wants, which is this. Or is it the fact that he wants what he wants, which is this. He wants to watch his wife engage in lesbian sexual activities, he said. Well, if your wife's not into chicks, then sorry. That's a tough ask. Yeah. How would you feel if she was like, I'd love to see a guy just pound you right in the face. Just bend you right over a kitchen counter and give it to you on top of the garlic bread. I'd love to see that.

You know what? I'd even go even softer and just be like, what if she said, I want to watch a dude blow you? Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? He's doing nothing except for placing his penis in another man's mouth, which is still a gay act.

And are you, are you comfortable with that? Technically a gayer act, I would say, honestly. If you got to look at it, that's... Yeah, you got to watch it. You got to see it. I think that, to me, that's a more... Are you asking her to go down on another woman or let another woman go? Either way, his question is not, will you please engage in this?

The question is, will you please engage in this while I'm in the room so that maybe i can get introduced into two chicks i want to watch he wants to watch and he just he wants it all he wants lesbian sexual activities of all kinds i want you guys to be you know i want to i want to this to be my own porn that i'm directing except we're not taping it but i'll tell you what to do and i can yeah oh we're taping it in my brain. That's for sure. OK, I'm never going to forget this. That's the the the most normal thing that he wants. Oh, OK. And again, this is we're not judging people's sexual proclivities. I get it that whatever's our however our fucking brains work somewhere along the line, the the the divots in the road and the rains have eroded certain things

and made certain things more and sometimes you need whatever to come. I get that. I completely get it and as long as it doesn't hurt anybody great. But these particular things. We've all got a different golf course James. We all have a different one. This one, this guy's dog leg swings way over to the one

direction though. This is his or the combination of things that he wants are very good for a comedian to talk about. We'll put it that way because they're insane. OK, he wants obviously you. I want you to fuck around with another woman. I'd also love it if you would choke me while I masturbate, which I mean, plenty of girls like to be choked. That's fine but he puts an extra he puts an extra spin on it while you pee on me

he wants that yes i'd like i'd like to masturbate while you choke me and pee on me at the same time where and how like how to on your chest is that what he wants wherever he needs to feel the pee well if he's if she's choking him her where she'd be able to pee is limited because she's got his hands around her she's got her hands around his neck so it's limited she can only get down to about the pelvic area at best unless she flips if he's on his back oh that's a good she could piss right in his fucking face but then he's have a hard time jerking it because he's on if he's on his back, she could piss right in his fucking face. But then he's going to have a hard time jerking it. Because he's going to have less freedom to jerk because he's laying on it. Pee on me.

Pee on me. Then the coup de... The capper, yeah. The pièce de résistance. Oh, the cherry on top of this bastard is, if want to call it that this yeah this sunday that he's making oh god okay so you do all that and i'm almost there but then the capper will really make me pop here shit in my mouth would you so when you're done 69 and that lady hop on on my chest give me a good choke down while i'm jerking it uh pee on me and

then but hold in the other because when you're done with that i really need you to hover above me and shit in my mouth that way i can come see what i mean that i can we can judge that right that's that's a little light bondage a little whatever you got to do. I don't give a shit. This is. He gives a shit. He wants her to give a shit. Shit in my mouth? That's, that's too much, right? I thought he was happy with the dinner she cooked.

I guess not. It's so nice, I'd like to taste it twice. Wow. I'm fucking real, though. Listen, not every pee-pee time is poo-poo time, but every poo-poo time is definitely pee-pee time. It's going to be something. So she can do both at once. That's what I mean.

But he likes them. I don't understand. So sorry, everybody, for being here. That's vile. If you're listening to this in the morning, you're eating a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich out there right now, you're like, oh, Jesus, I apologize, honestly. You got your blueberries on your cottage cheese? You know what? I don't know what to tell you.

If we got a deal, so do you. That's how this works. Keep chilling. A Dr. Lawrence Abrams is assigned by the family court to evaluate Farrah, Bob, and the children to make a custody recommendation as they're starting to break up here. So who should go with where? I hope it's her. Yeah. Let's just.

If he filed divorce based on her saying no to those requests. That's not. It's kind of fucked up. Her filing is interesting, though, because. Yeah. OK. Based on interviews with Farrah and Bob about the masochistic sexual behaviors that Farrah describes, the doctor formed an opinion that they had a, quote, pretty sick relationship.

Is that a medical term? Pretty sick? Based on those requests, I mean, if you've gotten to a point where you can actually get those words out of your mouth to request that, it's certainly sick. It's certainly sick by now. What kind of a doctor do you just describe something to and they go, ew, that's not normal for a doctor. I think the first thing they train you at any medical school is don't say gross or ew. Whatever you do.

Even if that's what you want to say, you go, interesting. That's the word you say to replace it. Interesting. Really? Hmm. A hmm covers a multitude of sins. Or just start scribbling. Write the word gross, but don't say it.

Nod your head knowingly. Do those things. Right? That's day one of medical school. Before you know anything about the human anatomy, you need to know this. Wow. So he wrote that Bob was, quote, into eating Farrah's defecation and swallowing her urine. Okay.

Her urine. Not on my chest. In my mouth. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's the grossest slush puppy ever. Her urine, not on my chest, in my mouth. Yeah. Yeah, right. That's the grossest slush puppy ever. Other aspects of masochistic sexual behavior, such as having her step on his face and throat.

Okay. Farrah went along with it for some time, the doctor goes on to say. Yeah, she's an angel, isn't she? She tried to make it work. Yeah. I mean, she'll do whatever. She has three kids. She's trying to make it work yeah she i mean she'll do whatever she has three kids she's

trying to make her marriage work if i gotta pee on this guy to make it work i guess i'll go get some fucking i'll go get some plastic bags from under the sink and lay it down over the bed that's all i can do at this point right i mean what else can we do get the tarp off the car get it off the car we're bringing it in the bedroom she damn did it she did it um they said that this was the most uh this doctor said later on that this was the most extreme sexual deviancy that he had ever seen for any one couple now this is in the 90s in southeastern texas so i'm sure shit's gotten weirder other places like i'm sure someone in west hollywood would probably laugh and be like you've seen nothing yeah nothing left yet trust me i've painted a rooster on my cock and fucked a man's face it's and it was wonderful we sold tickets to

it and made a decent turnout yeah people people on only fans been clamoring for a take two they want yeah so farrah says that her husband wanted her to do things to him sexually that not only embarrassed her, but sickened her. Yeah. Yeah, because poop is involved. Right, there's bacteria. The lawyer said, quote, she showed me some stains in the closet where some things went on. Oh, no. In the closet.

Get in the closet. Come on. We're getting in the closet so you can shit in my mouth Get in the closet. Come on. We're getting in the closet so you can shit in my mouth is not an attractive. Come on. That is the indicator of what about to happen tonight when he opens the closet. Yeah. And she's like, okay. Oh, God.

Fine. She's so much resolve for that carpet in there. There's just bottles of resolve lined up. I thought you meant her. No, she has a lot of Resolve, but she also needs bottles of Resolve. She does have a lot of Resolve in every way. She does.

Both ways, yeah. So the lawyer said she had to get out, had to for the kids' sake. They couldn't be around something like that. Well, they're not around something like that. That's a stupid thing to say. As long as he's not bringing his sexual things around the kids what they do in the privacy of their locked bedroom behind closed door if she was into it would that be bad for the kids

no they would never know what the do you know anything that your mother ever did sexually with anybody god no thank the lord fucking no exactly so you have no idea what's going on as a child but my terrible parents my stepbrother did bring over, when he came to visit, an Adam and Eve magazine when I was like eight. And I saw that for the first time. I'm like, what the fuck? And he's like, my mom had it in her drawer. I'm like, why do you have it? Hold on.

Let me look at this for a while, and I'll come back to you. I don't want to see that. Ask you more questions. She and her husband do this. my god god so here is another woman to enter the picture helen black pace is her name she met bob on a phone chat line in 89 or 90 these are the late night 900 oh we're looking for sexy men in your area. We're all just sitting around so horny. Like eight chicks dressed in fuchsia sitting in a fucking bedroom together.

We're all just sitting around. We just need you, young stud. We're all sitting in puddles. Just call so we can fawn over you. That was what the call, that was what it was. Our ankles are wet, for Christ's sake. I was a kid obviously i never called but i would assume if you called it would just be like 60 dudes like where's that

chick that was on the line is she still here is someone gonna make me come or what because i don't care who starts talking but somebody starts saying some dirty shit this costs $4.99 a minute. He met her on a 1-900? Yes, yeah. They chatted regularly, apparently. And their question, this is the weird thing. It was a telephone chat line. I don't think this was a sex line, though. This was like a just chat line. Yeah, live links or some shit like that. Yeah, this is when there was no chat rooms on the internet.

Three years from now, AOL, and it was fine. Ruins this whole thing fine but now this whole thing ruins this whole thing so they would chat regularly after a few months it turned very sexual yeah during these conversations bob talked about the things that he likes sexually he said that he liked tying up his wife or being tied up while uh he and two other you know him and his wife and some other chick all have sex he liked that yeah um then they had like some fantasy talk they had some phone sex where they had some fantasy talk and she participated in the conversations and went along with the fantasies of oh yeah i'd love to lick your wife's fucking you know all that shit so eventually they meet in

person though as these relationships tend to happen yeah apparently wife's fucking, you know, all that shit. So eventually they meet in person, though, as these relationships tend to happen. Yeah, apparently it's, you know. You're the guy that's been saying all that. Yeah. That's got to be tough, man. It's so much easier to say the shit when you don't know who I am. Well, pre-internet, too. Like, this is like not even typing it out.

This is, you have to say it with your voice. Yeah. You have to say it with your mouth. Oh, boy. You have to say it with your voice. Yeah. You have to say it with your mouth. Oh, boy.

She said on one occasion, Bob called her and said he wants to stop by her apartment one morning. Oh, boy. Just pop on in, wake her up, and have her shit and piss on him and in his mouth. God damn it. So if that's possible, I i'm gonna stop by and do that so cool hey is that all right with you arm clock you i don't know what that is that's called the alarm clock when you know i would think it's called the alarm clock if he woke her up with shit and piss but if you wake someone up to shit and piss on you what's that called to wake someone up to need their button that is everyone out there come up with something

for that because it's it's backwards of everything that we've done the reverse alarm clock wake you up to shit on me yeah wake you up before you go-go, literally. Yeah, the early bird. Because you'll be go-going on me. Yeah, she told him, I won't do that. No, I won't shit on you. I'm not into that. Yeah, and she let him know that she was honestly disgusted by the suggestion of it. Okay. Which I assume he's probably encountered this a lot, by the way.

It's probably the most common response to that question how many women do you have to ask please shit in my mouth before you get one that's like fuck yeah baby yeah get down there no get in the closet i wish it was all of them but it's not i ate corn last night come on buddy yikes i had corn and Del Taco lining up. I just ate nothing but corn, peanuts, and olives. It's coming. Come on, buddy. Nothing holding it together.

No, it's going to be very easy. Oh, this is disgusting. Okay. No more disgustingness. We'll try not to have any more poop talks. Okay. The man's asking for it. He's asking for it. That's the problem.

He's literally asking for it. He's asking them for it, and he's asking us for the abuse, if I'm being honest here. So that was the last time he brought it up with her. Yeah. He realized, okay, that's a no-go. She wasn't like, I don't really like. She was like, don't ever fucking spring that up again. That's the worst.

And he was like, okay, noted. She didn't say maybe. She said, disgusting. I'm not making it. Disgusting, okay, noted. She didn't say maybe. She said disgusting. I'm not making it. Disgusting, yeah. Get the fuck out of my shop. Get the fuck out of my shop is exactly what she said. She gave a wagon wheel response.

That's disgusting. I'm not making that. Get out of my shop. So enter Minnie Lawrence. Okay. Minnie Lawrence is described in court documents as an overweight phone sex worker. Yeah. So that's just how she's described.

Phone sex worker. Yeah. She's a phone sex worker. Yeah. With no video. Right. So she said, quote, this was about, this is her Minnie's quotes here, Minnie Lawrence, about Bob. Quote, he knew that I was large and he wanted me to sit on his face.

Okay, that's okay, fine. And a lot of times he wanted me to go to the bathroom on him. A lot of the times. A lot of the times. He wanted to tie up his wife and have sex with him and with her. And I don't remember everything, but that's the general basis. Tie you up. Tie me up.

Fuck my wife. Shit in my mouth. You know, the routine by now. It's the same. What Bob's into. It's the Bob. It's the it's the number four. That's the Bob special.

See, old. Yeah, that's the old tie and poop. So many said that she meant um they said well what do you mean by because at first she said he wanted me to go to the bathroom on him so they said well what do you mean by that she said wanting her to go to the bathroom on him was to defecate on him she finally meets him in person in April of 1990. Yeah. So she said, quote, almost every time he saw me, he wanted either to see my breasts or to play with my breasts. OK, this is the first normal thing I've heard from him so far.

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or on Apple Podcasts. But basically, no matter where it was, so they could be, you know, in the food court of the mall, and he's like, let me see your titties. Quote, i thought he was charming and he seemed to care about his family and his kids but he actually seemed very kinky in nature if you will sexually sure yeah clearly um she said they usually talked every

month or two months and she visited him once at his job as a public – I'm just having this phone sex chick come by. Wow. As a public safety officer in Missouri City but never met his wife or his children or gone to his home. That's normal. Yeah. So at work, this guy – what kind of guy is he at work, Bob? We know he's weird at home. Yeah.

What's he like at work? Well, there's a guy named Jerry Parker who talks about it. He said that while the divorce was going on, while he's breaking up with Farrah, he would bring all types of women to the fire station where they worked. Really? Because he's got a fire station. He's like, I'll show you around the fire station.

You can pet the Dalmatian. I mean, dude, this is a... Slide up and down a couple poles. Yeah, I got some poles for you. It's not bad here. He seemed to be... He always said, this is a slide up and down a couple of poles. Yeah, I got some poles for you. It's not bad here. He seemed to be. He always said this is what Jerry Parker said, that Bob seemed to be domineering and controlling toward those women. Yeah. At one point, Jerry said that Bob kept lifting up the back of one woman's dress.

Continue like he did it like 20 times trying to show her ass to co-workers like check out her ass under her dress and the woman would simply say no no and pull her dress down but not get like not go motherfucker i'm gonna punch you in the dick if you don't stop doing that what are you doing yeah i'm what the fuck um another uh he also said that bob told another of these women women that he was with to um to take he was with to take her tits out. Take your tits out and show everybody. And the woman did. She showed everybody.

Did it? Okay. Yeah. So I don't know what kind of chicks he's picking up, but apparently easygoing ones. Yeah, fun ones. They're a party. He sometimes talked to Jerry here, his co-worker, about his experiences in going to gay bars as well.

Yeah. He's into whatever, man. And about his sexual encounters involving multiple partners. Yeah. On one occasion, he told Jerry that he, quote, liked to have women defecate on his face. He told somebody. He brought that up at work.

Talk about water cooler talk that's a job you hear jerry likes to get shit in his face you hear that jesus christ i was talking to him yesterday he told what leaning on a bottle of sparklets and how's your day pretty good uh yeah why i hired a woman to shit in my mouth last night. Say again. Say again. Well, at first he thought he was joking. Yeah. He thought he was the guy that was like, oh, I love that. We all have a friend who says they like disgusting.

We know they're not really into the shit they're saying they like. They're just fucking, they're just gross guys. That's their sense of humor. We all know that guy. And he said, I thought he was joking. And he said that, um, I thought it was funny at first. He's like that one. I'll get her a shit right in my mouth. And he said that um i thought it was funny at first he's like that one i'll get her shit right in my mouth and he was like oh it's funny not expected you know what i mean that was pretty funny i guess

i never ever ever would think that's funny no i was trying to find the humor in it there i was like yeah he shits in my mouth that's pretty pretty funny, right? I don't see it. But at first he tried to take it as like, this is this guy's sense of humor. And you know, dude, you've worked at like the electric company. When you work around like guy guys, they say gross shit all the time like that where you're like, I don't know if this guy's joking or not. I don't fucking care. Whatever. So he said it in my mouth shit in my mouth that's

a weird thing it's so silly that you think maybe he's just being silly then he's as far as you can go though that's what i mean what else is there right fucking you know put some whipped cream on it like i don't that's right apart from topping it or bloodletting there's no way to get worse i don't know how else to get worse besides making your own hole and fucking that maybe. That would be the only thing I could think of. So he said it was funny at first, but then once he figured out he was serious and he kept bringing it up, he said it was just gross after that. Yeah, as soon as Bob didn't smile. Yeah.

He was like, no, I'm serious. It's delicious. So 1992, Farrah officially files for divorce. Bob doesn't want a divorce. He thinks they can work it out. He thinks they're just, I mean, it's small issues here. But he thought they could resolve their problems without a divorce. If they could do that, he said, the way I think we could solve this, he's got a solution.

At least he's not just saying we can figure it out. He's got a solution. This is what will make it better. We won't get a divorce. Everything will be fine. If only, Farrah, you would just agree to have an open marriage. Then it would be great. So she wants a divorce, and he's trying to reel her back in with let me fuck other chicks, which is a weird date to dangle.

Let's stay together. You can just bang other guys. But the problem is a normal dude that she she dates is gonna want a fucking relationship and that what are you talking about it can't be yeah we need to end this stop it she's looking for some more than someone to just shit in her mouth that's the difference you know what i mean she's looking for like uh you know a partner to be with and he's like uh where's that phone sex chick i want to take her tits out in a fucking you know an open relationship doesn't trim the fucking hedges no I

don't want an open relationship he told his wife after the divorce threats that why didn't they consider an open marriage he said I've seen shows on TV where the open marriages work there was talk shows that was a very popular subject of your Sally Jesse Raphael's and your

herald those and your donna hughes back in the early 90s was we have an open marriage and it's great here's our girlfriend that comes over all the time and my wife doesn't mind and everything's wonderful they cook dinner together for christ's sake the vast majority of open relationships are he gets to fuck other people and she can fuck the chicks too if she wants that's that's that's a guy's version of an open relationship you can join me in this chick i hooked up with if you feel like it if not just be cool with me banging her so yeah he said that i've seen it on tv and he said that that kept marriages going and you know he said you can have your marriage and have fun at the same time it's great so yeah he wanted to have he everybody he wants to have an open marriage.

Two of their friends specifically said later on about Bob's personal definition of an open marriage. The one said that Bob's idea of an open marriage included watching his wife have sex with other women, even though she doesn't want to. Open for you to do things you don't want to do sexually the second uh person said that his idea of an open marriage as explained to them by bob yeah included having sex with his wife just in combination sometimes with other women sometimes he just goes out and has sex with other women right at no point did he mention she can date dudes too that never came up so he he has other requirements for reconciliation as well that's not enough here obviously here uh obviously weird sex listen you gotta let me bang other women bring other women home so you bang them shit in my mouth in the closet you know the deal you know my list so she farrah hoped that somehow she could convince him to consult a doctor and get some professional help and maybe

bring him back to what she once knew him as in 1983 when he wasn't asking for weird golden showers and fucking and thunderstorms or whatever the fuck's going on there so he said um it was he was being she thought that he did love the kids and that they you know had this thing so another one of his requirements though he's got a list of things she wants the divorce mind you he didn't say i want a divorce and she said no no i'll do anything to save the marriage and then he said well here's a list of things i need this is her wanting a divorce and he's saying i don't want a divorce and here's things i demand he doesn't understand negotiating very much negotiating i just said like negotiating and negotiating he doesn't she doesn't get how it

works he doesn't have anything to negotiate with here. He doesn't understand who has the power of negotiation. No, no, we're not going to get a divorce. Here are a bunch of things that I want. And then what you get out of it is you get to stay married to me and do all of these things. We've decided not to give you the job. Well, I want another $25,000 a year. But we're not giving you the job. You don't get, and a company car.

You don't get this, do you? We didn't ask you to be here. So he said, one other requirement I have is that I need you to get breast implants as well. Yes. No, I want a divorce. No, but I want you to have bigger tits and let chicks play with them in front of me. Don't you understand?

He says, you will have bigger boobs, and then it'll be happy, he said. That'll make me happier. That'll make you and me both happier. Yeah. So, yeah, if she would agree to that, she said that she would do. That's one of the if she would agree to that, she said that she would do. That's one of the things she would agree to. I'll get a boob job.

But she was fearful of surgery. She just was scared of it. There had been a lot of stories because this was the early 90s. This is when the silicone ones were exploding. Yeah. And so this became a very big thing of, oh, silicone breast implants. So there had been a lot of stories about lawsuits filed by women who were having bad effects of surgery. So he was like, oh, God. But he hounded her about it.

Pretty much, she said from the day they got married. This has been one of his requests. But now it's like, listen, we really need to do it. So she gets a breast enhancement. Get out of here. August of 1992, she gets a boob job august augmentation month augmentation 1992 yeah about a month later she's healing up that's when bob moves back into the house all right your tits are good ready for action you don't need help anymore here's the

suitcases in there well now you can fuck with with them. Yeah, now they're useful to him. Right. And he doesn't have to take care of her through the healing. Yeah. He agreed to pay for the surgery and put it on his credit card. Okay. All right. Later, though, he refused to pay the bill. Later on, when the marriage still isn't working out, he refused to pay the bill.

Later on, explaining to a lawyer, quote, I'm not going to pay for someone else to play with what I paid for. Wow. Well, that's how tits work. You don't get to take them with you. So two weeks into this, they separate again. He's home for two weeks

and the boobs aren't enough to keep you together. They're a strong motivator but not strong enough for old Bob here. This guy, come on. This woman is willing to do a lot for you. She has gone under the knife for you.

This guy really is, this is ridiculous. He thought as well that, and this is very weird, this doesn't have anything to do with his children, but his view in general is that children should have sex at 12. That's when they should start having sex, at 12. Like his view of the world. If he could change the world, he would say, kids start fucking at 12, which, huh? That's insane. Yeah, there's kids that don't want to play with fucking dolls at 12.

They have no interest in, you know what I mean? Worseover, there are children that have periods at 12 yes oh that's frightening yeah but he thought that they should engage we all know why 12 year olds shouldn't be having sex we're just saying this is there's plenty of reason he said that he thought he thought that his children even specifically should engage in sex at the age of 12. Not with each other, obviously, with others. He joked about it himself because he said he was a late bloomer. You know. Yeah.

I figured out I liked shit in my mouth in my 30s. I need you to figure that out much earlier. No shit, man. So also little weird things. His son Bradley got bit by the pet snake. The other pet snake. Yeah. Bradley laid down on the snake by accident and it bit him. It was out?

It was out, yeah. Oh, my God. So Bob took the snake back to the pet shop in exchange for a more docile snake. And he said it can be determined whether a snake is docile by playing with it. And he made the mistake of not handling the first snake enough. That was the problem. So it was just that. You've got to treat them like tits.

You've got to lick them a little. You've got to really get them. Spin them around. That's the thing. You've got to do it clockwise, and it's good. Yeah, we're both putting a valve stem cover back on a tire here. That's what we were both doing. Right on the snake's nose.

Yeah. So also children were playing with live bullets. What? That was okay with him for kids to play with live bullets. Okay. Just fun for them. They're like little heavy little, you know. He said that he knew that bullets were, because he's a police officer and all or whatever the fuck he is that bullets are quote completely harmless and less struck directly with a pointed pin like object

obviously so there's no way that'll ever happen kids are fine with bullets it's cool he never as a kid just tried to smack him with a ball-peen hammer this guy just play with them kids here's a handful yeah empty my clip kids yeah um he told the court why he would be the best parent to have the children out of the two of them obviously in a prepared statement that he read in court he said basically this is amazing that he's such a good person so loving caring and actively involved father with the children, coaches their sports, attended Father's Day at the school, lectured their classes on safety, you know, because he's a cop or whatever he is, was always honest with them, whether it's personal scholastic or play. He believes he is the better person than his wife and therefore a better example for the children. I said that he said he's a better person.

Yeah. Overall better example, therefore better example because he's just a better person and he would always place the children's best interest as his priority and teach them to live a good Christian life. Oh, Christian. Yeah, now he's going to bring, let's talk about pee and poop. I didn't read any of that. The two basics, sir.

Yeah, so there's a prolonged divorce and custody, and this is a long time. There's a social worker assigned to the family by the court to evaluate Bob and Farrah in connection with all of this. They interviewed Bob in April of 93 and Farrah in March of 93. At that time, Bob didn't want primary custody of the children, and Farrah was in favor of an extended visitation schedule for Bob. So things seemed to be working out. But then Bob and Farrah got in an argument because Bob wanted to restrict Farrah's ability to be able to move with the kids to within a hundred mile radius. And Farrah did not want a restriction on her ability to move.

She wanted to be able to move away if she wanted to. And Bob wanted a joint managing control over decisions about the kids' lives, such as medical and educational decisions, while Sparrow wanted sole control. Now, for the first time in this episode, those are reasonable requests. I'd like you to not move more than 100 miles away, and I'd like to have half a say in their medical and educational decisions. That's what parents are. That's fine.

Yeah, I'm fine with the second part, but what are the chances I'm going to move 100 miles away? Let's just leave that alone, and then if something comes up, maybe we'll discuss it in the future. If some opportunity arises. But those are people that get along can do that. Yeah, that's a good point. My parents did that because whatever, they didn't't care but when you're fighting in court everything

has to be black and white or that person's gonna she's gonna move and he's gonna go i knew she was trying to fuck me and take the kids away from me and then that's that's just gonna grow into that yeah so they need everything in writing like literally where we exchange the kids mad familiar i was yeah well i was a process, so I would have to sit and wait to serve people papers with this, so I'd be reading through the documents. This is so common, it's disturbing, as you know. I believe it, yeah.

Yeah, so it's difficult. So they keep fighting. The divorce proceedings drag on. Bob grows increasingly bitter and pissy toward Farrah. Angry. I understand. Angry because she's not pissy with him, I guess. She's not shitty at all either.

Not shitty at all. He complained to his friends that he's broke all the time because he's got to pay child support. And he said, I'd like primary custody of the children so Farrah can pay me. That'd be better. And she can be broke. Take that. This is the way. And she can be broke. Take that.

This is the way to solve it. Jesus Christ. This has just turned into two adults are arguing with each other and the kids are fighting over it. It's another pissing match, we said. So at other times he said that he would not have to pay child support if I just killed her. Maybe that's the solution.

No. How about that he said that farrah's gonna win because her parents have money so she's gonna win eventually because she's gonna drain him of all the lawyers and she'll be able to pay for the lawyers still he also regularly to his friends and co-workers didn't refer to her as farrah or my ex or anything. Just quote the bitch. I tell you what the bitch is doing now. And they go, oh, boy, here goes Bob again. Tell me now what the bitch is doing.

Yeah, that's what she said. That's so this is where this is going. Yep. Yep. This December of 93, there's a deposition. Farrah explains why the divorce had been filed on the grounds of cruelty. She summed up in a deposition here. She said, quote, after I filed for divorce

in early 92, my husband and I attempted to reconcile our marriage. As a condition for getting back together, my husband insisted that I have breast surgery. Yeah. Okay. That looks bad in court when you say stuff like that. Sure does.

Looks terrible for him. Even though I considered the dangers to my personal health, I felt it was in the best interest of my children that I try to resolve the problems with my husband and therefore agreed to the surgery. In August of 92, the surgery was performed. Wow. His lifestyle is not conducive to properly raising children.

My husband has strange morals. That's one way to put it. Is that the name of this episode? Strange morals? Because she's so sweet. That is the biggest euphemism of all time. Strange. She was using air quotes.

Strange morals. Strange morals. Quote, he wanted me to say it was all right if he had sex with other women during our marriage. He uses steroids and is more concerned about making his body look good than anything else. That's the other thing. He's at the gym all the time. Really? Super obsessed with that.

Taking roids, doing all that. Puts in 40 and goes back to the gym all day yeah and then wants to get shit on and then wants to be pooped on yeah well i've been i've been breaking people's balls all day and then showing what a strong man i am and at the end of the day i just need someone to pee in my mouth and make me feel like a little boy i don't know what's going on so she said this drug often causes mood swings during which times he becomes aggressive toward the kids. Oh. Yeah.

Now, steroids, he says that he used them as prescribed by doctors six weeks at a time, then off for two months. It's called cycling. It's what all athletes do. Doctors prescribe that? Yeah. Doctors prescribe. That's why they still exist. Several times?

Yeah. Doctors, you can get a quack to prescribe you steroids still. Fuck yeah. Yeah, well, it's useful for some medical things, too. Right. There's a lot of things it's useful for, but not just some 35-year-old dude who wants to get jacked, usually. Yeah, wants to jerk off in the mirror. Well, now they just give you HGH for that. Right.

If you're over 38. I can't come unless I'm hot. Unless I'm super hot. I need to be jacked to come. But if you're like over 38 and you're a guy and you go to the doctor and you're like, I don't know, just down and they check you and you don't have cancer or something. They're like, do you want HGH? I mean, they'll fucking fill you up with it.

I know so many people on HGH. Whenever you see these like 48-year-old guys that are like, wow, look at his heart. That guy's in real good shape. He's on HGH. I bet you – I would bet $100 million every one of them because I know guys that did that. That's exactly what they look like. It's just a totally – they have a weird glow to them. It's weird.

Yeah, that weird Jose Canseco gleam. It's a strange thing. Yeah. It's odd. So she said that – he said, prescribed by doctors in a cycle. He said that he started taking them in 91, then quit them for two months, which is what that's a cycle off for two months before surgery for a herniated disc. So he had to cycle off. Then he suffered the spinal injury when he stepped in a hole in the lawn at the Missouri City Fire Station where he was on duty.

OK. She said, quote, Bob does not have any parenting skills. He constantly brings the children home dirty and not fed. Oh, you can't do that. He wants them all the time. Bob has left the children alone without supervision and has gone to the gym

to work out. Hey, kids, I'm going to go get some pumping in. Don't kill each other, all right? I got to do some benches. Put some pumping in. Don't kill each other, all right? Be right back. I got to do some benches, put up some reps. Don't have sex with each other, even though I think you should be having sex by the time you're 12. Okay. I got to do some curls.

I got to. It's leg day. You know what I mean? You can't skip it. Pop the kettlebells. We'll be right back. She said, throughout our marriage, Bob has engaged in sexual abuse of me. I've been afraid to make this known and ashamed to admit that I let him get away with it until now.

However, because of my daughter, I believe it is necessary. yeah he um he didn't disclose his other sexual preferences to the social worker or farrah's attorney when they were depositions he didn't say oh and i like her to poop on me and that sort of thing he just said i want an open marriage and with a big titted wife that's all he said so his her attorney later said that bob seemed embarrassed and nervous when Farrah alleged during her deposition that he wanted her to engage in this behavior. He got all freaked out by it. One of Bob's friends testified later that Bob told him that he was angry about this allegations, which he said were false. Meanwhile, he's told other people at work and every chick he's ever met. And he did not want Farrow to repeat

them in open court. Because they're gross. That's just gross. Wow. The presiding judge stated that in 23 years of family-oriented legal work, he, quote, had never heard of this degree of depravity and bizarre sexual behavior.

Imagine hearing that from both a doctor and a judge. Yeah, most people are able to keep this under wraps, and you two are just screaming at an open court. This is a mess. Jesus. So other former friends, as well as his son, describe Bob as a good talker who could present a nice facade

and persuade people to do things for him. You know, a psychopath is what they were called, I believe. Yeah. In his case, I think it's a psychopath. So, and a liar. They said both the psychological experts that are going to talk to him later all say that he suffers from personality

disorders they said that he's narcissistic paranoid controlling and lacked empathy wow psychopath yeah that lines up that's a dangerous man that's a very narcissistic paranoid controlling and has no empathy that's that's not good at all yeah if you add empathy and the rest of those can be dealt with if If you take empathy as the key, though. If he doesn't feel bad for it, then he's going to do bad shit. Empathy is the key to all of it. So that's what it is. He had difficulty accepting responsibility for his actions and blamed others for his problems.

Yep. He liked to think that he was dominating people and that he was the sort of person who enjoyed humiliating those who depended on him. That's what the doctor says. Doctor also says he's manipulative. I think that goes without saying with the rest of what you just said. He was able to maintain a calm facade and appear to function normally, but he did not think normally. He was not able to confront or make sense of difficult situations or learn from his mistakes. He was, quote, rigid and needed to feel that he was in control of his situation and relationships

with other people. He's a fucking psychopath. Yeah. That's what you just described. Dangerous human being. He was likely to react with vindictive anger when frustrated or embarrassed. He was masochistic sexually and had other atypical ideas about sexuality. They said that he, quote, saw girls, meaning women, adult women we're talking about.

He saw women as little, young, and passive. That's how he saw women. All women to him were just like these little meek little creatures he could play with. Saw their sex needs controlled and restricted. He thought he might have a need to dominate a little girl type of thing. That's what it says. The doctor said that he got out of them. So he showed a considerable degree of paranoia and psychopathy,

meaning psychopathic deviant behaviors. This is from the doctor's report, not mine. They would correlate with suspiciousness, maybe fixed beliefs, holding grudges, being rebellious, This is from the doctor's report, not mine. These sound very familiar to every serial killer we've ever talked to. This doctor also talked about the inferences that may be drawn from a, quote, scale four. OK, he said the four is what they call a psychopathic deviancy scale. If it gets high enough, you're into lying. You get into anti-social behavior.

you get into anti-social behavior. And as a matter of fact, a high score, there would be diagnosed as an anti-social personality disorder at that point in time, which would have to do with lying, cheating, maybe criminal behavior, a variety of things, people who just don't get along in society. And anti-social doesn't mean you just don't like going places and doing things because it's an actual,

you have antipathy for the world. Yeah not it's an actual it's your you you have antipathy for the world yeah it's a it's a problem it's a problem they said that uh his the doctor says that bob's elevated score on the four scale would indicate antisocial behavior of the sort demonstrated by persons with antisocial antisocial personality disorder uh they said that he was diagnosed as narcissistic having a self-love so extreme that if his desires were not fulfilled it led to intense anger intense intense anger wow meanwhile people like us if we don't get what we want we go just what i expected great we walk away obviously yeah for fuck's sake well, I had a good thing happen to me last week, so clearly this was going to be a disaster. I paid the money, didn't get what I wanted, and I'm still not surprised.

When we were both stuck at the Charlotte airport, we go, we had two good shows. We deserve this. We literally said, both the shows were fun this weekend, good crowds, nice staffs good nice theaters clean all that kind of shit we deserved all of this like if our planes land safely it's a fucking miracle for us obviously i'm not going anywhere why would i why would i expect normal service when i paid for normal yeah that's not clearly not what i'm getting fuck man dr abrams here also notes that bob had been tested by the houston police department and subsequent to that testing and twice been denied a place in the police academy class

so even the cops didn't want them they're saying even their psychological testing their their test was right on the target though they're like we can't have that man have a badge and a gun are you out of your narcissistic guy with no empathy yeah that's the worst guy to have with a badge right he asked the interviewer person to shit on him yeah he said you got a closet around here you're like when we arrest people can we make them shit on us is that like a thing like if they're not talking like not right on the street but if we bring them in we know they did something they're not talking can you be like you shit on me right now but if they're under arrest under arrest, like they don't get to go home. We can make them shit where we want them to shit, right?

We can do that, right? Not just in their cells? Okay. So late summer 1994, all this is going on. Farrah calls 911 in a panic. Okay. Okay. A detective rushes to her house and said, quote, she was upset.

She was crying. She was in bed and a male came into her house. He had a mask on and stunned her with a stun gun. She was terrified. My God. Some masked man ran in her house and stun gunned her while she was in bed and then took off. Jesus. They said the attacker broke in through a window and attacked her in front of her young children.

The oldest was seven at the time. He said, I woke up to my mother screaming. I had no idea really what was going on. All I know that was my mother was in danger and something wasn't right. The second son, Daniel, said we were just screaming, crying outside the door. Let our mommy go. Leave her alone. Leave her alone.

Farrah suspects that this intruder is probably a friend of bob's yeah she sees bob behind this great guess there you're not a bad guess while you're in the middle of this whole thing but they took off and left and the guy was never caught okay he never got out never figured it out the detective said she thought her husband had something to do with it and he said in his gut he believed her but there was no concrete proof or anything so all he could do was go to bob and say do you have anything to do with this and when bob says no go you better not fucking have anything to do with anything you leave her alone finger wagging his face and walk away and no i won't shit on you and then leave. He said, quote, I said, Bob, I know what you're up to

and it's not going to work. You need to leave her alone. I said, Bob, I told you to leave her alone and he told me I didn't do anything. So there you go. So after all this and the deposition and everything like that, Bob told a friend that he was angry

about the accusation she made about him. The cops come into his house saying he sent someone over. He said they were completely false, and he didn't want other people to hear these things. Yeah, but even if you have nothing to do with that, if you have children in that house, you shouldn't be more concerned that they were scared than you're being accused of something.

Who gives a shit if they accuse you? Right. You got to be worried about those goddamn children. Nope. He doesn't even think about that, though. Not even a little. A psychopath wouldn't even think about that. That has no concern because that has nothing to do with them.

Right. So it's hard. It's weird. So, yeah, Bob, at that point, he was really pissed off, extra mad. And he said, I am going to find someone to kill that bitch well it's a bitch the bitch i'm gonna find someone he solicited a shitload of his friends and acquaintances oh is that right he talked to pretty much everybody he knows yeah and said will you kill her and then when they said no he'd go do you know anyone that you could recommend to kill her literally that's what he

would say yeah anybody else open right now where i could get a pizza at 11 o'clock like do you know anybody i mean if you've told people that that you like shit in your mouth killing asking for soliciting murder is a step below that isn't it it is it's in weirdness yeah well we've heard about what 425 murders this is? Yeah. With more murders happening in there. We're into the thousands. And our body counts over 2,000 probably, 1,000, something like that.

But we've never heard of someone wanting to have shit in their mouth in all of this time. And we've dealt with crazy people, deviant people, weird people. We've dealt with it all here. A bunch of people with murder for hire. Bunches. Yes. Tons. So most of people with murder for hire. Bunches. Yeah, tons. So most of his friends thought he was joking.

Yeah. Just like when he said he likes poop in his mouth here. He's a real jokester. He continued to talk about it. So they were like, they would talk to each other and go, I think he's serious. Is Bob for real? Like he wants to, wow, okay. He spent months soliciting people.

Just anyone he ran into. You know, I haven't seen you in so long. It's been months. You know, let's grab a beer together. Oh, yeah. The game's on tonight. This is great. Yeah.

The Rockets are playing great this year. You want to kill my wife by any chance? No. All right. You know anybody? OK. So anyway, what do you think about the Texans this fucking. Fucking Mario Ali, right?

Look at him, man. Oh, man. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you that that elijah won thank god we got him huh this is the time they're winning the championship yeah they're doing great nicks here so he keeps asking nobody has any answers for him um after a while his friends started thinking he was serious so after all these months they're like what the fuck is going on friends warned him that you probably if you're dude if you're serious like you probably shouldn't be saying

this in the open like this yeah ixnay on the fucking ilkay keep it down doggie of the itch bay you know what i mean like fucking chill it out and uh you should do that the friends warned him you could get in trouble for even talking about killing your wife like this right that's called like conspiracy you know like if you've done anything to further it you're in deep shit yeah he told them that look this is part of my strategy in court well later to confuse the criminal investigation that's going to come after he's killed after his wife is killed oh that's not going to confuse it that's going to focus it. Right.

That's like I'm going to I'm going to put a whole bunch of trail of breadcrumb evidence out. So the cops will come right to me. That'll confuse everybody. No. Are you sure he's OK? That's what I mean. He's not right in the head. There's something wrong with him. I mean, apart from the poison and poop, you can't eat shit.

I think that's what it is. You shouldn't be eating shit. There's things in it that clearly give you brain damage because I don't know what's happening here. Even the pee. Like, Gandhi died because of that, right? It's from Kingpin. Can you get sick drinking pee? I think you can, Herb.

What if it's your own? So, watch Kingpin if you haven't seen it in a while, too. It's better than you've remembered. So, yeah, they said you haven't seen it in a while too it's better than you've remembered so yeah they said you shouldn't do that he's like yeah no no this is gonna confuse the whole thing no no no i'm this is so good i'm stirring the pot here one friend he offered him he offered him a thousand dollars up front yeah i'll give you a thousand dollars,000 and my Jeep if you kill my wife. Six, CJ, seven. Come on over.

Come on. It's beautiful. It's a Wrangler he's got. He's like, I'll give you my Wrangler and $1,000. He said that I'll be able to make additional payments after I get control of the proceeds of her life insurance and an overseas trust account containing the children's money. Yeah. He would later up his offers to $5,000 a pop, plus the Jeep. So fall of 1994, it's been like four months he's been searching for someone to kill his wife.

At this point, three, four months. The fee is very low. It's not a good fee. But you could sell a Jeep Wrangler for something. I mean, in the end, it's something. But it's still not a good fee. But you could sell a Jeep Wrangler for something. I mean, in the end, it's something. But it's still not a murder fee. You got to go to someone with cash. You can't just be like, I'll piece together a package for you to kill my wife.

That's not going to work. And also, paper trail with titles and shit is bad. Yes, that's the other thing. That's bad. I gave this stranger my Jeep. So finally, he's at the gym. There's a guy named James Podharsky. Yes, James Podharsky goes to the gym.

And he and Bob would sometime after working out, getting their pump on, they'd go to the strip club together, go to the titty bar and check that out together. Yeah, you know, just make it a masculine kind of night. Go to the titty bar and check that out together. Yeah, you know, just make it a masculine kind of night. He said that Bob brought a gun with him when they went out together all the time at this point. He questioned whether Bob was a police officer or not. He goes, are you a cop or not? He goes, he said, it's probably not a good idea for us to have a gun in the car when we're going out drinking, right?

Yeah. Isn't that like against the rules for you guys? All right. You know? His quote, his response was, well, the reason I'm bringing the gun is in case we run into Farrah. I'll shoot her myself and make it look like a carjacking. Oh.

If I run across her while I'm coming from the gym to the titty bar with my buddy in the car, I'll just get out, kill her, doctor the crime scene real quick and drive away and everything will be fine. But I'm in the car i'll just get out kill her doctor the crime scene real quick and drive away and everything will be fine but but i'm in the car with you but you're not gonna say anything like an accessory no no close your eyes i'll turn the radio up real loud don't worry about it it's all right in in utero in utero just came out i just just bought it. You know, you're going to love it. But the heart-shaped box is fantastic. Here, listen. Holy shit. So he did own the Jeep that he was offering. At least he actually had that.

So Podhursky, working out at the gym, he said, quote, he asked me if I knew of anybody. It seemed to be pretty much what he wanted to talk about to me and everybody else. That's all he's talking about. It's this guy that wants to kill his wife again. Jesus Christ. Oh, man. According to later on, the state will say of the people they found, quote, 15 or 17 different guys all said pretty much the same thing. He just brings up to everybody.

At least 15 people. That's who they could find who other people they didn't even know he knew who knows so wow none of his buddies thought of calling the police though they none of them were like oh you should this is serious but hersky said quote he's gonna come to his senses he's just blowing off steam that's what we all thought he's just mad yeah he said quote there wasn't a lot of money up front maybe a thousand dollars two thousand he's obviously not serious about this murder costs more than that the man's offering a jeep nobody wants to i mean come on he's gonna take that he's but hersky was asked quote it didn't raise any red flags and this guy says quote if it was anybody else, probably so.

That's how much of a blowhard Bob is. Even when for months he consistently has to talk, kill his wife. They're like, he's full of shit. He said, quote, but just knowing Bob, he was so likable and he was very kind. He didn't take him seriously. Wow. Blowing off steam. Now, Minnie Lawrence, phone sex lady here,

she said there was a time in their relationship when Bob began to talk about domestic problems. In 93, early 94, she said he referred to his wife as the bitch. The bitch. The bitch. Oh, yes. Let me tell you what the bitch did. In October 94, Minnie Lawrence had a phone conversation with bob that she said she never

forgot she said it was about quote a week after the big flood in the atascosita area of course it's which can be said that could happen in any year she was concerned about him and called he said that he had not had any flood damage so she asked him how the divorce was going. And she says, quote, he asked me if I knew anyone who would kill his wife. I said, no, are you joking? And he replied, yeah, maybe, maybe not. I don't know. What the fuck, man? Depends on if you know anyone.

So she said, I may have known someone a long time ago but i don't know them now she thought she was playing along joking and then he this is great quote he asked me if i knew any black people and we made a joke out of it we we what in other words obviously not wow because i'm from vidor texas originally and we laughed about it which is a sundown town that's why that's a fake one of the more famous sundown towns in texas so um you know she's not gonna know any black people is what the joke was there so when he asked her if she knew any black people who would do it she answered you've got to be kidding me. Yeah. Are you serious? And she said, and he said, maybe, maybe not. Unbelievable.

So he finds someone who is willing to do this. He finds a guy who not only takes him seriously, he said, I'll take the couple grand up front and your Jeep. Let's do it. He finds a guy named Joseph Price stash and that's P R Y stash. Really? Okay. He's born in 1956.

He has been in, he's been in and out of prison actually he was sentenced in 1988 he was sentenced to 10 years for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle which is a plea down from grand theft auto i believe uh released uh here he was under parole so he was sentenced to 10 years and then got paroled in 91 and discharged so okay okay prize stash was to get a Jeep for his part. Yeah. That's what he's getting. But he said, I need a third person for this.

So Pry Stash puts himself in the middle and gets somebody who is not a part of that basically Bob doesn't really know. He's seen him, but he doesn't know him. They're not part of his circle here. And that's a guy named Howard Paul Guidry, who's only 18 years old at this point. Yeah, we got to subcontract this. Subcontract, that's what you do. Yeah, I mean, I do plumbing, but not drywall.

I get a subcontractor. Relegate the work, babe. That's what you got to do. So an 18-year-old kid. Perfect. He gets an 18-year-old. They're all in their 30s. Oh, and he's a black kid, too.

So you found an 18-year-old, exactly what he was looking for god it's so racist well they're looking people think what if people see a black guy they won't think it's us is what they think like oh they won't think they know we're we don't like black we don't hang out with black people so they won't think it's me that's exactly how he think that's what he was they were talking about laughing about so price dash like we said um he's not a part of Bob's regular circle of friends either, this Pry Stash. He knew him from the gym on several occasions in the weeks coming up here at the end of this year. They were observed speaking privately together at the gym. This is the President and First Lady Gym where they were members.

That's where they work out at? Yes, the President and First Lady Gym, where they were members. That's where they work out at? Yes, the President and First Lady Gym. That's a lot of words. That's a lot. That's weird. It's a ton of fucking syllables. Prystash's girlfriend, Mary Gipp, who has way less syllables in her name, overheard Prystash talking with Bob on the phone. with Bob on the phone.

In addition, she often saw Prystache talking to her next door neighbor, Gidry, Howard Paul Gidry, the 18 year old that Prystache is going to bring in. That's how he knows him? Next door neighbor. There's a black kid that lives by me. In addition, so she saw all of that,

and sometimes they would be talking on the balcony outside her apartment. So he'd like invite this kid over and talk. So the divorce is set to be final in late november 1994 okay then november 9th 1994 um bob ate dinner with farrah and the children that night yeah they're four through seven at a cafeteria somewhere some you know lubies some shit. He then took the kids to a Catholic church in Humble and leaves the two youngest women, two youngest women, two youngest children in the church nursery and brought the seven year old to catechism class. So your CCD shit there for your communion confirmation stuff. So he stayed to attend a meeting for parents whose children were preparing for their first communion. And he said while we were at church, they would have us doing a bunch of fun little activities, which also involved praying.

So during the meeting, he repeatedly excused himself to go to the church office to make and receive phone calls. And receive. And receive. Yeah. I gave out your numbers that cool father all right real weird bob took the kids there to the classes and do all that they regularly attended the classes but they said it was very unusual for bob to stay for the parents meeting never did that before yeah so according to gidry the murder was supposed to happen on this Wednesday night.

Okay. That's what Guidry will say. Pry stash is the driver. He's the middleman who got Guidry into this. Pry stash was going to the health club. Pry stash, you know, he's the middle guy here. So Bob is during all this. He's repeatedly making and receiving phone calls in the church office.

So Farrah, her night, she went to the hair salon, then went home. She pulls into her driveway around 8 p.m. in Acosta Seda, and at that time, her neighbors across the street were sitting in their living room and had a view of Farrah's house and garage. It's one of those, you know, big window. Big picture window, yeah, the front window. So one of the neighbors that was watching said that she heard a gunshot okay and looked out the window into farrah's garage

she heard a scream and saw farrah fall to the ground beside her car then another gunshot oh yeah she said we heard something outside like a pop and I got up to look out the window. And as I was doing that, we heard a scream and I saw Farrah fall. And then we heard another shot. This is Laura Holster, the neighbor. And I saw her lying down by the car, is what the husband said here. About three minutes later, she saw a man who, quote, wasn't very tall and he had a very round head. a man who, quote, wasn't very tall and he had a very round head. It's an odd detail to remember. Very round head

standing on the side of Farrah's house. So, turns out Farrah is shot and killed in her garage and, yeah, this is before Bob's supposed to come home with the children for her. Those people called the police, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah. They saw her get murdered

in her driveway they said that the man was either black or was white and wearing a black makeup or something oh so it's either you know al jolson or a black guy we're not sure somebody we don't know um another neighbor testified to seeing either a white person with a stocking on or a black person. I haven't seen a lot of black people in this neighborhood, I feel like. Yeah. It's either. It's either a guy with a mask on or a black guy. I haven't seen a lot of black guys.

It might be a, what the hell are you talking about? Either a normal person with a mask of a black man's face. Yeah, that's what they would say. Or a black man. I ain't seen one in a while, though, so I don't know. By the way, Houston, few black people in it. And Acosta Seda had black people in it. Right, it did.

More than the average, so interesting. A few minutes later, a silver or gray car with a burned-out headlight drove up, picked the man up, and quickly drove off. You can't even have your car in headlight condition for a murder plot man come on you don't have all lights illuminated you moron pulp fiction's out right now yeah you go there the wolf goes everything in working condition all the lights in this and that i don't want to get out on the road and find out it doesn't have a turn signal that's what i'm saying these people didn't pay any attention to that here.

So it was at that time, this is what the neighbor says, it was at that time we realized she wasn't getting up and we dialed 911. Well, if she got up, she's fine. She's got shot twice, but she's probably okay. We watched this. Watched a man get into a car and drive off and then call the cops? And then we're like, she's not moving over there. We should call the cops.

Holy shit. She said, quote, I just started giving them a play-by-play of what we were seeing she said i just saw a shooting and i was in my living room nursing my baby and i looked out my window and our neighbor was outside our garage and she was shot two times so um yeah they said um she was down um she then she said she saw a black man dressed in black standing behind a tree. As this woman speaks to the sheriff's deputy dispatcher, she narrates seeing a small silver Toyota or Honda hatchback with a broken headlight pull up. She said, oh, God, the guy's getting in the car right now and they're driving off. She continued to narrate as her husband went over to check on Laura after our check on, um, Farrah after that, at that moment, after a moment, the neighbor says into the phone, she's breathing. That's great. That's great.

So Darren can be heard saying the woman's been shot in the head, but she's still alive. So about seven minutes into the call, they say a police officer's coming and then they hang up. Okay. Wow. How about send everybody? There's a woman shot in the head. So about seven minutes into the call, they say a police officer is coming, and then they hang up. Okay? Wow. How about send everybody? There's a woman shot in the head. So that's a lot.

Farrah's parents now, Lex and Betty Backer, they said, I came home. This is what Lex said. I came home about 7 o'clock from work, and my wife had just prepared a nice hot meal for me. The telephone rang. It was maybe two minutes after 8 o'clock. On the other end of the line was the neighbor. She had their phone number. And Lex said, I don't know how fast I drove.

I have no idea. And when we went there, the lights were all over the place, and the cop was trying to stop us. They're trying to get to the crime scene there. He said, I got to her, and she was alive. She was face up but having convulsions. Her parents had to watch this. Betty said, I just put my hand up on her and just shut her eyes. And I felt her.

She was cold. It hurt so much. These parents had to watch her die. That's horrible. Bob is immediately a suspect, obviously. Of course. Well, her divorce is up immediately a suspect, obviously. Of course. Well, her divorce is up in two weeks. They've been fighting.

Oh, do you know anything about that? Oh, yeah. He asked me to kill her 20 times. He offered me a Jeep. I mean, it doesn't take long to put this all together. Now, Bob arrived at Farrah's house with the children about a half hour after the cops got there. Just pulling the trigger. What's going on? What's wrong?

They said about him, him quote after leaving the catechism class we went back to the house the first thing i remember was all the yellow tape everywhere i just remember arriving there this is the sun by the way and my dad acting very surprised to see what was going on he's a good actor anyway one officer said later on that Bob showed no signs of sadness, concern, or surprise. He said that Bob was in a hurry and wanted to expedite the investigation of the crime scene. A detective who observed Bob at the crime scene described him as very confident, very composed, well in command of the situation. Interesting.

So then they find out about the divorce and they find out about his pooping predilections and predilection for poop and all that kind of thing. So they interrogate, bring him in to the police station. They feel like he's being deceptive. The detective said right away he consents to a search of his car. They find a nine millimeter pistol and one50 in cash in a plain white envelope oh interesting um the cash was found in the glove compartment of bob's car that night bob told detectives it was money for a new carpet okay at his house 70 minute video taken here while he's being interrogated he answers the questions put to. He said that his wife had already been taken to the hospital by the time he arrived. He said he'd been informed that she had a pulse and was breathing, but it wasn't good.

So Bob then tells the detectives that he's a Missouri City public safety officer. Right. Yeah. And at that time, he was a hybrid firefighter as well. And Bob told the detective he wondered whether his work made farah a target i wonder if someone was mad at me for something that didn't work and took it out the detective balked at the suggestion um and said quote i would never have wanted anything like this to happen is what bob said now bob had said um had been previously suspected in

a robbery at the house if we we remember the Stunman incident. And that was the detective said that's or Bob said that's the last time she had a stunt like this. That was that. So maybe it's that. Maybe it's the same people. He said that Farrah's boyfriend visited her frequently and that Bob had heard a rumor that Farrah's boyfriend's into drugs. So maybe that's what it is. Maybe they're looking for him.

He said that before the murder, the Sunday before, he received a phone call from his son, Bradley, who was upset and crying because he didn't want, quote, the bad man to kill him. Okay. Okay. He said that Farrah's boyfriend was there and he dropped the children off that night and thought Bradley may have overheard a conversation between Farrah and the boyfriend that the boyfriend was setting Bob up for a hit. Okay. He also said Farrah had some shady sides of the family. Okay. He said when he pulled up to Farrah's house the previous evening and saw the police cars and tape, he said, quote, I honestly thought it was a drug raid. He's trying to make it seem like they're so deep into it, cartels are got to be over here to kill them.

Yeah. Honestly, I just thought you guys were right in it. Wow. He said that what happened in the garage was probably a result of a scheme that she was hatching against him that just backfired on her. She was probably trying to get people to kill me and they just decided to kill her first. She's probably trying to have me murdered with my Jeep as fee.

You know, as a fee. But this is what a narcissistic person would even, even when they're lying, he still made it about him. Right. They came, did this because of me because I'm the center of the universe. They're trying to get to me because I'm important.

Wow. And this one, she was trying to kill me, but it backfired against her, you know, because I'm great. Sucks for you. Wow. He said there'd been a series of odd, unexplained occurrences in his house also. Oh? Such as doors being opened, items missing, and evidence that his home phone was used by someone else to call farrah's home so now he's saying someone's been breaking in they might be planning evidence because they're

making phone calls and he's setting the scene yeah that i she had a masked guy come in i've been having people break in my house too like oh i had the same problems when they told bob this talked to him about his marriage he said that he loved farah and never wanted her to divorce him they said well why'd she want the divorce and he said there was no romance or affection between the two of them there was it was just only in a closet yeah the kind i consider only happens in the closet he tried to convince her that while they didn't have the best marriage it was far from the worst marriage and that he was content but that quote she wanted to find someone that put her on a pedestal okay well yeah as long as she didn't have to shit onto them from the top of that pedestal well if he put her on one it'd be easier for her to get him yeah yeah during that bob said

that he did own a jeep cj7 he's got yeah. That's a pretty good one. He also told the interrogator that he did not have any life insurance on Farrah, which is not true. He does. Really? They said, who hates your wife enough to kill her? And he said, quote, nobody I can think of. I mean, I can't think of anybody that hates her. I don't know anybody else. Yeah, that's crazy.

So another detective questioned Bob that night um and then bob spoke with reporters following the release and that's wild they let him out and he goes it's crazy but they said when he left as soon as they left the detective said quote he's lying he's been lying all night you know there's no robbery no sexual assault there's no carjacking basically you got a mother of three coming home from work at 8 o'clock in a low-crime, affluent subdivision in a northeast Harris County, basically gets ambushed and shot execution style. Who are these?

Who's he trying to bullshit here? And they asked him if you have an alibi, and he said, Well, at the time it happened, I was at church with my children. Which you can't get a more fucking. Wholesome. I was at church with my children, which you can't get a more fucking wholesome. I was at church with my. What a dad. We were worshiping the Lord together. I don't know what you're talking about.

Staying at the cross and Hail Marys. Oh, God. They said, did you arrange to have your wife killed? And he said, I love it. It works every time. Quote, no, I did not. No contraction. No, I did not. Yeah. Yep. Fratta was not doing by himself favors, by the way, because they said, quote, this is what the detective said. I asked him a question that still sticks out in my mind today. The way he answered it. I said, Bob, what should happen to someone that kills somebody? Which they ask that a lot.

He said, quote, they should go to jail forever. Okay? Then I said, what should happen to somebody who has their wife killed? And he told me, it depends on the circumstances. That's amazing. Lock him off. Come on. The cop said, quote, I walked out and said, he killed her.

He just walked out. Absolutely. Totally guilty. That is fucking amazing. They said Bob appeared calm. He said he had no idea why anybody would want to kill his wife. After 14 hours of um of interrogation yeah he is released released they don't have any charges on him yet not yet they don't yeah they'll have it plenty they know so the press is waiting outside because he's been in there

there's a big story there he walks out all smiles are long-lost friends that came to say hi. Like, it's a surprise birthday party. He's like, oh, guys, you didn't have to. Oh, there's a cake, too? You got my mom here all the way from Oregon? Wow. This is incredible. Oh, man.

That's how he came out. Like, he was just the fucking life of the party. The detective said, quote, he's just happy-go of the party uh the detective said quote he's just happy-go-lucky he's cheesing to the camera he gave all these indications that he's going to get away with this murder unbelievable he didn't know no he has no idea that they're in that they're actually interested in him still yeah no i no clue he got away with it done which as a person who is a whatever the fuck he is, a safety officer or whatever. You should know.

He's like, got away with it. Now, the manager of the gym where Bob and Price Stash worked out said that on the night of the murder, Price Stash arrived at a 935 p.m. The gym closes at 10. Showed up 25 minutes before. Kind of a workout. You're going to get here. Farrah's friend kitty waters sneed that's her name kitty waters sneed she worked alongside farrah at american airlines for years

and was farrah's closest friend she said she was afraid for farrah's safety she said quote i knew it was bob right away yeah because farrah had been telling her, I'm sure, all the weird shit and everything else. So the day after this, Podhursky says that this day, the afternoon following the murder, Bob came into the tanning salon where he works. Oh, my God. He's a guy who works in a tanning booth, then works out and goes to the titty bar with this idiot. He's just a douchebag. This is the douche crew here.

He said he walked into the tanning salon where podhursky was working and he told him quote bob told tells him if everybody keeps their mouth shut everything will be all right no after tanning bob tells podhursky that if the heat comes down podhursky should claim they that he went over to faris to scare her and fired at her but the bullet end up grazing her head and then at that point she became he became scared and fired the second shot pod hersky who didn't kill anybody if the cops come around just admit to killing her yeah by accident and he's like um no no i don't think so accident. And he's like, no. No way.

I don't think so. He's like, I didn't kill you. You asked me, but I didn't do it. A few days later, Bob tries to collect the insurance policy on Farrah's death here, but the investigation remained open, so he couldn't. Can't do it yet. No. So, Jesus Christ. Oh, by the way, Pry Stash replaced a burned-out headlight on his car the day after the murder.

And within a couple weeks, he stopped driving the car completely. Maybe just because he had a new Jeep. You never know. Probably. So, on the evening Farrah was murdered, Mary Gipp, that's Pryce Dash's girlfriend, yeah, Gipp, she came home from work to find Guidry dressed in black sitting on the steps in front of her apartment. Okay. While he was unloading and concealing the murder weapon, she said.

That's what he was doing. Oh, boy. After this conversation, Pryce Dash left the apartment. Gipp retrieved two uh shell casings that price dash had thrown into the kitchen trash and wrote down the serial number of the of the fucking gun that he had hidden under some clothes in the bedroom genius this is yeah she's collecting evidence she got him she doesn't go to the police though no i don't know if she's gonna go to the police, though. No. I don't know if she's going to go do the lab work herself. I'm going to run a ballistics on this thing.

She later said that she never went to the police and disposed of the shell casings in a trash can at a shopping mall. Why? So she had an instinct and then said no. Yeah. Pry Stash gave Guidry the murder weapon to dispose of gidry threw it into the water somewhere body of water it's a 38 by the way that it was used so price dash arrived a few minutes later but he soon left again when he returned to gip's apartment that night gidry's with him again so he's hanging out with him in the days following this bob showed no signs of sadness or regret to police investigators or his friends or anybody.

Right. Whether it's advantageous or not. He's happy. He's thrilled. He can't even hide it. He's beaming. One friend said that Bob attempted unconvincingly to act kind of down for a day or two. But didn't seem to be real.

And then he said, then his demeanor just went right back to normal, which if you see the pictures of him, I'll show, I'll post the pin on our social media, the pictures of him. One of the pictures of him coming out with the crowd. If you see that, you go,

Oh wow, this guy is, this isn't good. Holy shit. Um, another friend said that the day after the murder, Bob stopped by his apart is a place of employment to tell him that everything would be okay if he just kept their mouth shut.

So he's just telling everyone that. A few days later, that's when he stopped by Puttersky's and said, you should make a false confession if they talk to you. What does that do? That doesn't do anything, man. It gets Bob out of trouble is what it does. Again, psychopath, narcissist. Further evidence includes telephone and pager records showing the times and locations of communications between Bob, Farrah, Prystache, and Guidry on the evening of the offense and the autopsy and ballistic reports. Bob says he did not do it.

Still saying didn't do it. He says Farrah's deposition allegations were not relevant to his motive. He's like, that doesn't mean I had a motive just because I didn't want her to say I like shit in my mouth. That's not enough to kill somebody. He said he wouldn't have killed her in order for, to just keep her from disclosing that he said,

that's ridiculous. Um, now they took the detectives still talked to him almost daily and um he says quote this is what the detective said he says hey larry bob he goes am i going to jail today and i said not today bob soon but not today they had that conversation every day bob would call him up and go am i going to jail nope all right see you tomorrow then so wow that is a i'll get you don't worry it's so fucking weird just everything in this case this is one of the weirdest cases ever so mary says about everything she says i don't know why i did what i did meaning

not tell her yeah yeah uh but she said nothing for almost four months. She kept it to herself. Four months. And she was asked questions too. And she said, I didn't give them any information they wanted. Unbelievable. Detectives said they knew that Farrah's husband,

Bob had called Gip's cell phone and pager hours before and right after the murder. So that's how they're kind of wrangling her into it, but that's all they knew. And until they learned more, they had to let Bob be free here. So prosecutors bring in Gip and bring her before a grand jury. Oh. She said, quote, I said, wait a minute.

Are you charging me with murder? And he said, yes. And I went, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute here. Now I'll talk yeah turned into biggie real quick oh fuck i got a story to tell have you heard of the new york knights yeah that's what i'm saying so this has been rained out or some shit so uh within hours she makes a deal to cooperate if she's not prosecuted. Wow.

That's all it took was bringing her into the grand jury room. Right now. And saying, we're charging you. And she went, well, let's tell you everything. Okay. She said, after I was given immunity, I just told them everything. Everything I knew. She said her boyfriend, Joe Prystash, knew Bob from the gym.

He was hired to set up the murder. They had a neighbor involved in it. He was going to shoot and kill her. That's Guidry that we brought in. According to Gip, Price Dash hired this guy, Howard Guidry, to be the trigger man. Guidry would get a thousand dollars. Price Dash would drive Guidry to the murder scene, pick him up afterwards and use Gip's cell phone to tell Bob

job is done. Call the church. Hey, call the church when you're done. She said, he told me bob is going to take his children on wednesday to church and that's what they were going to do to wait for her and that when they were uh and that's when they were going to kill her they said so they asked they asked gip he told you that and she said yes they said did you ever think of calling the police every once and she said nope and they said you could have stopped it and she said i could have i really

just didn't want to deal with it to be honest with you i know i know what i could have done didn't want to deal with it wow what the hell is that immunity that's like ah they left that thing in the back of the fridge that's growing hair because i just didn't feel like dealing with it right now i'll clean it tomorrow like that's not there's a murder that's going to take place i'll just i don't want to deal with it she said you know that sounds disgusting but it's easier to just not do anything than it is to confront it and say okay this is going down i didn't want to be a part of it just didn't want to be a part of it yeah you know so not my bag mary knew farrah too really worked out together at the gym.

They knew each other. She even knew her. That's even more fucked up. She knew her. It's not some, like, you know, just some vision of a stranger off in the distance, some abstract thought. It's a person you know. That's the chick from the gym who drives that car. Like, you know her.

So they both worked out, I guess. They said to her, had you done the right thing back then? And she said again, she'd still be alive. And they and they said well what were you doing while this was all going on this guy's at church they're killing what were you doing during that time where were you she said i was watching at that particular time i was watching ice skating well this was the whole tanya harding nancy harrigan thing ice skating became popular ice skating was huge huge she said she waited for price dash to return quote i asked him if she was dead that's the only thing i asked and he said yes and i said how do you know and he said because i was there and i saw her oh boy so

yeah she said again i asked if he killed her and he said yes and that's how it worked so um she asked more and he said, yeah, yeah. You know, I just picked up Guidry and the other guy. He was at church. It's all good. And she said, awesome. And then they had sex. And then they banged.

Then Mary fucked Bryce Dash after that. You know, I don't know. Whatever. Let's say murder makes him horny, I guess. How are you? That's when then they had sex sex then he left the apartment then she dug the shell casings out of the garbage really wrote down the serial number yeah that is she is not to be trusted is diabolical this one i'll tell you what yeah um wow and then they said

were you confused about your loyalties to your boyfriend, taking the shell casings and throwing them away. And she said, yes, I still love him. Wow, man. Holy shit. The father, Farrah's father, Lex, said, I have no idea what kind of soul she's got. She has no soul. She's a monster. She's the demon. And then the mother, Betty, said, quote, soul of a devil about Mary.

That's cold, man. So Farrah's parents heard that they gave Mary immunity. They said they thought of it as a deal with the devil. Truly. She is a monster. Betty said, if anybody should be six feet underground, it's her, not my daughter. She could have saved my daughter. How about jail?

I mean, she was just watching ice skating. She didn't do it. You want her murdered? Yeah. I want her dead on her driveway in front of her kids if possible um five months after the murder bob is finally arrested after all this obviously five months five months he's arrested charged with capital murder death penalty oh boy certainly on the table here um they said that he was obviously in the court documents. He said vocal about his anger, told a million people. You know, we just went over it all.

So when talked to, he's handcuffed and being led to jail. He says to reporters, quote, I didn't do it. I'm praying for justice. OK. The one guy, one of the cops said he is so self-serving, so egotistical, a classic narcissist that believes the world revolves around him. He just couldn't fathom that he would not be granted custody and he did not want to pay child support. And he felt like he didn't deserve that. Yeah.

He just he should do this. So March 1st, 1995. They also arrest Guidry. Yeah. He comes in. Guidry wasn't arrested for this, though. He was arrested for a bank robbery. Guidry?

A fucking Guidry pulled off a bank robbery. Well, he didn't pull it off. He got arrested for it. And the gun used during that robbery is the same gun he used to kill Farah. He didn't throw it away like he said. Oh, my God. He kept, he's like, oh oh i got myself a free gun they also determined that gun purchased by bob oh really bob not even price dash bob which connects him to gidry oh without price dash that's how he got it so that's how bob

is in there uh at the time of his arrest he had three weapons in his backpack, one of which was a.38 revolver. And, yes. So, registration check on the revolver indicated it had been purchased by Bob Frotta in 1982. It's been his for a decade. He gave it to him. Didn't even buy it just for this. This guy's got a long time. Yep.

A firearms examiner testified that one of the bullet fragments recovered from Farrah's garage had been fired from that revolver. Ballistics match. Of course it was. The other one was too damaged to tell. Guidry gives a full confession to the sheriff's department. Fuck yeah, what's he got to lose? Christ. He said, they said he was questioned not long at all and he just spilled it, everything.

He even went with police to the murder scene to show him exactly how he did it and where everybody was standing he said quote i pulled the gun up and i shot her once in the head and she like fell to the side and as i started to run out she wasn't really dead so i turned around closed my eyes and i shot her one more time in the head that's the mob tells you two in the head jimmy so at his trial later on they're going to um obviously all this shit is a lot they tested a pay phone with their mobile phone and then price dash dropped gidry off with the revolver and a cell phone at farrah's house gidry climbed the fence into the backyard waited inside the children's playhouse he sat in the playhouse and waited for her gross what a fucking monster

all these people are monsters this is a terrible group of people every single one of these people have some pride in yourself oh my god he even called the pay phone where price dash was waiting to tell him that farrah wasn't home yet and they said keep hanging out in the playhouse pretend to have a tea party i don't know do something short something. Short time later, Farrah drove up. Guidry left the playhouse. He tried to open the side door to the garage, but it was locked. So when he went around to the front, when Farrah opened the car door, that's when he shot her once in the head and shot her a second time in the head. He then climbed back over the fence and waited for Prystash to pick him up.

He gave the revolver back to price dash and, um, that he expected a thousand dollars there. So they get price dash in, sit him down. He immediately confesses to everything as well. It was exactly the same as Guidry's lined up perfectly. Yeah.

And with cell phone records, pay phone records, everything lines up that these two are telling the truth. Um, price dash said, yes, up that these two are telling the truth. Price Dash said, yes, I was supposed to get $1,000 for his participation, which is exactly what Guidry said. Price Dash was supposed to get a couple thousand dollars and a Jeep for being the middleman and driver. Yeah. So this is when shit gets real weird.

At one point, Bob's released on Bond. What? Oh, it was crazy. Then he gets put back in. There's a guy named Bill Planter. Now, enter this fucking guy. He tries to convince this is before Bob is arrested. He

this whole time is trying to convince the Backer family, Lex and Betty, Farrah's parents, that the police are never going to be able to catch bob look he's going to walk free i'm telling you so for ten thousand dollars i'll make sure he's never found i'll make sure he disappears and is never found this guy solicitate i'll kill him for you what's happening outside of houston you know holy shit you guys want justice but how about some street justice i'll give you justice

i'll make sure his body's never found he said wow planters arrested because lex tells on him yeah um because he's a decent human being yeah isn't plotting murders against people and in a search of his car planters car it reveals guns knives and explosives you've got it and you've got to call the police on that right you don't just say no that's fine thank you so much though yeah no i'm good you gotta call the fucking right yeah what if he does it on a humble what are we supposed to do now it's like no or what if he just what if he goes to robert and that guy gives us i don't know whatever else he's got in exchange for us being killed.

That's the other thing. Oh, by the way, Price Dash is the masked man with the stun gun, we find out. He was the guy that broke in and did that. So we find out that Planter had served with the sheriff's department and a constable's office as well and was briefly the chief of police in Splendora, Texas. And he's willing to just go put out contracts now? Just not even that people came to him. He goes to them.

Y'all need somebody to kill that guy for you? Nope. All right. Just checking. I'll be here in case you need me. What the fuck is that? Cold calling for murder? Telemarket murder.

That's amazing. I've never heard of murder cold calls before. Have you considered murdering your problems away i have the solution for you wow um this is a hell of a balance transfer that's wild isn't it yeah oh shit oh god so this guy gets arrested his attorney once he pleads guilty and all this shit argues that planter would be a good candidate for probation okay he tried to set up a murder he cited his years as a police officer and his unblemished past but the prosecutor called him a time bomb he's with literal bombs yeah the jury sentences him to you sir may fuck off 17 years in prison for planter.

Shit. For trying to get a- For trying to get taxed for vengeance. Wow. The range of punishment was anywhere from probation to life in prison. Judge's discretion. That's a big one. Yes.

For a conspiracy thing. The jurors hear from Lex, the father, Farrah's father, who was instrumental in developing this evidence. Obviously, he had to do a whole thing. He wore a hidden recording device and taped all of Planter's pitches. So Bob goes to trial. Oh, boy. We'll go through this quick because we know all the evidence. Yeah.

Obviously. So defense attorneys argue that Bob suffers from paranoid delusional thinking from a brain injury. Oh, he has an injury. That's what they're saying. Also from witnessing his father suffering a deadly heart attack during a hunting trip when he was a teenager. OK, that gives you a brain injury. They said that he was emotionally stunted, seeing himself as a victim, and was fearful of losing custody of his children. Duh. Prosecutors say, no, no, he's a narcissist who manipulates everyone around him.

They called him a mastermind with a long history of psychosocial impairment and a threat to the public. I would say so. This whole thing was so casual. Yeah. He's a huge threat. He's a terrible person person he tried to get everybody to do it for him and nobody's closet carpeting is safe if this guy's on the street nobody's it's none of it so uh gip testifies that she knew everything ahead of time everything happened you know all that um yeah that she testifies to everything Mary testifies Guidry testifies another witness said that quote Bob approached seven people to kill his wife and that this guy knew of seven

people that this guy knew Mike Edens is his name a bodybuilder who worked out with Bob and said that he could have been the one on death row if he wasn't smarter than that he said I could I could end up there. He goes, but I would never think to do that. Like to kill somebody. Thank God I'm smart enough to not take murder for hire at Gold's Gym. What? Yeah, thank fuck that 24 Hour Fitness' fucking bulletin board didn't have a big draw for me.

It's next to guitar lessons and somebody's personal training kill my wife like this it's a picture of a jeep like this do you like jeeps free jeep giveaway i gotta just kill my wife verdict comes in yeah guilty as balls yeah what they say holy shit you couldn't be more guilty sentencing comes around death penalty on the table but he didn't actually pull the trigger so who knows what the juries will do you sir may fuck off death penalty oh bob bob's getting a lethal injection according to this jury he's earned it though though. This guy's a dangerous asshole. He tested Planet Fitness' judgment zone.

Yeah. He's testing out that fucking... No judging of anybody here. He asked someone, would you kill my wife? And they made a face, and he pointed to the sign. No judgment. You're eating pizza to the sign. No judgment. You're eating pizza in the gym. Come on.

That's it. Death penalty. Yeah. Farrah's parents spoke about the length of time it takes to actually get a person put to death and they're not happy about it. Yeah. Her father said, I personally think that we're not executing these people fast enough. Yeah, that's a very Texas thing to say. Yeah.

When it's your daughter and you know it's 18 people texas thing to say so yeah when it's your daughter and you know it's that you know it's 18 people said i fucking helped him i did it he did it then yeah you but i mean i get it yeah if we do it faster we'd be killing way more people we find her innocent later so that would be hard there's a ask the judgment or the the innocent project how that's going for that yeah we've seen a lot he said i wish i could be the one to finish him off that would give me satisfaction that's a bad man too that's a fair thing in my opinion that should be it the state's not going to do it for you if you want to fucking kill him yourself we'll put you in a room with him and sanction it that's fine but we're not going to do your

dirty work for you you know what i mean that's a frightening man i think that's what it should be i'd love to kill some people well i mean I mean, if someone kills your daughter, though. Yeah, I understand that part. I'm just saying, is he saying just this particular one we're taking too long? Yes, all of them. He said him. I wish I could be the one to finish him off. That's fine.

That's different. Yeah, I don't want to kill everybody. But if you kill my daughter, I'll take your head off with my bare hands. He's saying finish him off, not finish them off. them okay all right fine so gidry now and price dash they're gonna have their problems as well sure now the product his kids this is a nightmare for his kids i can't imagine now bradley the oldest he said he didn't care, quote, if my daddy stays in jail forever. Said he didn't care. A clinical psychologist said children may feel betrayed, but it doesn't mean they stop loving the person who brought the hurt.

In this case, the children are going to permanently love their father. Except they don't seem to. That's the difference. No. Lex and Betty sought permanent custody of the kids and they do. They take the kids, change their last name, back to backer.

They lose the frota and all that. Just forget. Let's wipe this from your brains here. Amber, who was three at the time when her mother died, said she had some difficulty understanding what happened. Uh, the grandfather here,

Lex said she thinks mom has gone to heaven and is coming back. That's what she thought at the time. Oh, she'll be back. Um, adding that the girl once begged him to bring her mother back so she could give her one more hug. That's terribly, terribly sad. I'd want to go finish him off too. And she used to talk to the picture of her mother. Oh, for fuck's sake.

I kill that guy in court over that shit. Yeah. That's, that's crazy. Um, so yeah, all the kids said they remember their mom. The one guy here, the psychologist, he said, children are very good at reading the adult world and complying with it. If they see distress in adults, they're going to avoid anything that might cause more distress. Sure.

Which is true. They're like animals do the same thing. Dogs do that. They have that feeling. It's called obedience. It's called a feeling. Yeah. So they said that they – the psychologist said that they need a neutral third party.

They said they have pictures of their mother everywhere, but they don't have any mementos of their father. And the psychologist said they need a neutral third party to help them understand that it's okay to have good memories of their father, as well as exactly what's happened in the criminal case. The reality is, if your father was a good father, you have good memories, you can have those memories, and they should be separate of this. Which, psychologically, yeah. They said that because even though some terrible things have happened, that's an understatement.

Jesus. Not all of the memories of the father are negative. It's wrong for them to pretend their father didn't exist because that was a sizable chunk of their lives that would be erased. Which is very fair. That's psychologically. Not for him, for them. You know what I mean? So, Farrah's mother and father, Lex and Betty, adopt the children.

They said when they turned 18, they went to visit him one time. Oh, this is the I know Amber did this. That quote, they asked him one question and he didn't answer and they left. Why? Yep. It's why. That's the one. He wouldn't answer it.

So they said, bye, asshole. Not interested in you. We have a quote from Amber on that later. Price dashes trial, obviously. Closing statements. Defense attorneys try to convince the jury that the evidence in the case was obtained illegally. That's the point here. Oh.

Yeah. Price dash was not given access to an attorney while giving his statement as he desired. The police searched his car and home without warrants. Technical stuff. to an attorney while giving his statement as he desired the police searched his car and home without warrants technical stuff um so the jury takes 17 minutes to convict him of capital murder minutes minutes it takes they say it takes 45 to fill out the paperwork do they get like a speed typist in here we gotta get this asshole guilty now we don't fill out paperwork y'all do that we're going home fry that son of a bitch so yeah that's pretty crazy so sentencing here for price dash comes around and um that's when they talk all about how he had broken in with a mask to frighten her and how he set this all thing all this whole thing up that the kids testified they were screaming, terrified for their mother.

You know, all of that. Closings in this, the defense attorneys try to persuade the jury to consider Price Dash's, quote, interest in religion since he's been arrested. Yeah. He's found God now since he's been arrested. So we should consider this. Jail preachers testified at his sentencing hearing that Price Dash has been a good Bible study student in the weekly jail sessions. They said he's quiet and attentive and seems sincere. In the closing remarks, the defense attorney waved a Bible in front of jurors, pleading with them to give his client a life sentence rather than death.

He read passages from the Bible and talked about repentance and forgiveness. Oh, my God. But the prosecutor said, ignore that guilt trip, is what they said, and told the jurors that they're not in church and that the defense attorney's not a preacher. She said, Prystash is an evil man who's been in and out of jail since he was 20. He's got seven felony convictions in Florida, two theft convictions here, an involvement in an assault case in Montgomery County, and he's a piece of shit. They said he'd even be a threat to the prison population.

Oh, my God. You, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty for you, too. Yeah, I mean, if he gets it, he gets it, too. That's the thing. Yeah. As you get closer to the person who pulled the trigger, more death to penalties, I would imagine. You would have to. Guidry's trial.

Now, he's young, remember. He is found guilty, obviously. I mean, Christ, he's found with the gun, with the ballistics and everything else. So during the penalty phase, they argued that Guidry deserved a death penalty because of his history of violence and the heinous nature of the murder. They said he was implicated in the robbery of an auto parts store and a bank robbery since the murder. Since the murder. Both. Yes.

An inmate testified that Guidry was involved in both crimes and a bank teller testified she feared for her life when they pointed guns in her face um which was the same murder weapon they used to kill her uh they said the other they uh the gidry's defense attorneys asked jurors to consider his age his drug use his lack of education they said the other possible sentence was life in prison with no parole eligibility for 40 years and they said 40 years in prison it's not a gift It's a penalty, his attorney said. I don't know anyone who survived 40 years. Even if he goes for life, he's still a dead man. So the jury indicated they were deadlocked at the end of the day. Really?

So the judge said, okay, great. Then you're sequestered in a hotel tonight. Think about it and come back in the fucking morning. We're not stopping. So the next day, two hours in, they come back and they have reached a verdict. You, sir, may fuck off death penalty for you too.

Three for three. Okay. Yeah. Now it gets interesting. Yeah. 1998. Guidry is on death row. He is one of six inmates who attempt to escape from death row. Really? Yes. row he is one of six inmates who attempt to escape from death row really yes one of them martin garul

29 became the first texas death row inmate to escape in 64 years he got out he actually made it they uh place stuffed dummies under their bed covers and hid on the top of a roof for hours at night so they did the counts. They thought they were there. Then they took off. Six of these inmates here, they surrender, and later on they have to surrender under a hail of gunfire as they approach the perimeter fence.

At the prison? Yes, at the prison. They didn't even get out? One did. The rule used bed covers to crawl over the wire on top of the fence. But his body was found a few days later in a creek where he drowned about a mile from the prison. Wow. He escaped and went and drowned in a fucking creek.

Unbelievable. That is crazy. Another one, Wilkerson, the guy who drowned in the creek, is the son of a sheriff's deputy. And he was scheduled for execution on the uh 14th there so other people eric dewane kathy um howard gidry in on this as well of course obviously clearly he's in on it ponchai wilkerson henry dunn gustavo garcia james clayton it's good to see it's a multi it's a rainbow coalition of escaped murderers. It's a real melting pot. That's nice. You like to see that, really, working together.

2000 Planter, remember him? Yeah. I'll take care of all your problems for you for 1995. He's like an Earl Scheib paint job, this guy. What do you got, problems? The Texas Court of Appeals orders the acquittal of him. Orders it? In 1990s, yes.

The acquittal here, they said he'll be released from prison and have no conviction on his records. They said the defense attorney said this is a major victory. I guess so. I would fuck it, yeah. other attorney said your typical criminal defendant in texas has a better chance of winning the pick sixth and basically going free because the appellate court has found the evidence legally insufficient to support a conviction because that's what they did even though it's the witnesses there they have it on tape everything um that's fucking nuts the prosecutor handled the handled the appeal was unavailable for comment but his boss said he was not sure whether planter could be retried

but said it would be unlikely because of double jeopardy concerns. And they said, I think the facts have been litigated and they can't relitigate the facts. They get one bite at the apple. Wow. But the conviction was then reaffirmed after prosecutors won a rehearing by the appeals court. What is happening? But it was then reversed again by the Texas Criminal Court of Appeals, or Court of Criminal Appeals, which entered a judgment of acquittal,

and they let him out. That is fucking amazing. Is he a piece of shit or is he not? He is, but he's out walking the streets. So his attorney said, some people will probably say that a guilty man walked on a technicality. I can say that's absolutely not the case. The appeals court found quite simply that no rational juror could have determined beyond a reasonable doubt that Bill Planchard was guilty. Period. Paragraph.

Except they did. He said he was framed. That was his whole thing here. He was framed and set up by Harris County deputies and detectives who took umbrage at comments he made to Lex Backer about the job they were doing to try to solve the case. So they set him up for murder and had his voice put on tape. I mean, I'm not putting it against anybody, but whatever.

He said, this is Planter, that he knew at the second meeting with Lex Backer tape right that's i mean i'm not putting it against anybody but whatever he said that uh he said this is planter that he knew at the second meeting with lex backer that he was being set up but he went ahead with it because quote i wasn't doing anything illegal no you called you cold called and asked if you would love to be hired for murder they said sure after speaking to the police yeah and probably wore a wire to meet with you because Lex was fucking terrified. You idiot. You fucking idiot. Wow.

Isn't that how it goes? Well, he said he wasn't doing anything illegal. He said, quote, we're going to have to leave Texas, him and his wife, he said. We're going to have to sell everything we own and leave the state because they're obviously setting me up for murder raps. I got to get out of here. He said, I've been an election judge for both the republicans and the democrats i was chairman of my civic club i worked for police departments i helped kids in the neighborhood then i go to help this fellow when i wake up and i'm sitting in a prison cell i'm going to sell

what i own in texas and i'm moving out of the state shit. Well, you're a free man to do it, so good luck. Lex Backer said that he's disappointed that Planter didn't serve more time, but he never expected him to serve 17 years. He said, for his sake, I hope that he's learned his lesson. I just want him to leave me alone. We've gone through a lot of trauma, and we just want to be left alone. I don't blame you. 2,000. More trouble for Guidry.

This guy is a party. Two death row inmates, who are both murderers, obviously, were holding a 57-year-old female correctional officer hostage on Monday night, is the newspaper. They said, all we can do is hope, but we're not overly optimistic. The spokesperson for the Criminal Department of Justice said, Jesus Christ. However, another spokesman for the prison said that I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing. They said negotiators are talking to the inmates, both of whom were involved in the 1998 escape. Yeah. The other guy here. They were talking to them from about 30 feet inside the unit they said prison guards

normally unarmed had canisters with 37 millimeter rubberized ammunition and chemical agents that can be used if necessary the inmates are ponchi oh it's wilkerson so it's the other guy not the drown guy and howard gidry um they had weapons one was a sharpened metal rod and the other's a metal bar used to pry open food slots and cells they said that uh they handcuffed officer jeanette bledsoe whose son is also a guard on the unit and they fucking they did they took them all in here um they said that they were walking gidry back from back to his cell from wreck and they passed Wilkerson's cell. Wilkerson somehow jimmied his door open and he and Guidry jumped the officer. Their demands are better conditions

such as increased visitation and less time in isolation cells where they spend 23 hours a day. They had been moved here because they tried to escape from a less strict death row. So that's kind of their own fault on that one. So 2003, this is fucking amazing here,

a new trial is ordered for Howard Guidry. No fucking way. Yep, they said that he was tricked into making a confession and that hearsay testimony contributed to his conviction. That's amazing. Guidry's lawyer said, it's extremely rare, especially in Texas. I'm ecstatic. No shit.

Everybody in this case is the most ecstatic. This is nuts. Everything keeps benefiting the bad guy. Yeah, so he gets a new trial, Guidry. And he is convicted again. Good. And you, sir, may fuck off. Another death penalty for you.

Two for two. 2007, Bob appeals here. He appeals saying that he did not believe that the trial was conducted in accordance with the law. saying that he did not believe that the trial was conducted in accordance with the law, said that the jury had been worked into a frenzy by prosecutors, and that they had a bloodlust there with all the religious fervor and all that kind of thing there. So the appeals court reverses the trial court and found the evidence used to convict. This was for Planter there. That's for planter

in 2007 Judge Harmon here overturning his conviction fraud wrote her asking how to end the appeals and allow his execution to proceed okay so he wrote the judge and said Bob rather than that he

said how do I get killed just kill me yeah he said I'd rather be killed than live in this daily torture and Bob, rather than that, he said, how do I get killed? Just kill me, yeah. He said, I'd rather be killed than live in this daily torture and torment. So, rather than that, in October 1st, 2001, Bob's conviction is overturned. Really? A judge says the confessions of Guidry

and Price Dash should not have been allowed into evidence. Uh-huh. Um, wow. Wow, is all I have to say for that shit now while he's on death row amber visits him right the youngest kid the daughter yeah she said wow this is um this is wild quote he had a grin on his face like he had no emotion at all he had the nerve to tell me to please go to christian counseling by then i'd heard enough from him he's a psychopath and she left he had the nerve to tell me to please go to christian counseling by then i'd heard enough from him he's a psychopath and she left he had a grin like a like a doll like a yeah

because it's an affect it's not real not real he's not capable of that god what a monster he's a psychopath he's not capable and then he's got everything he's ever done is a fake asked her to go to christian Christian counseling to forgive him or what? Just to feel better or whatever. She's like, don't give me advice from death row. Get over it with Jesus. What? That's wild.

So 2009, trial number two for Bob. Okay. He complains that the trial court allowed the state to present evidence that he wanted to watch his wife engage in sexual activities, have her defecate in his mouth, urinate on him, and choke him while masturbating. He asserts that such graphic specifics were unnecessary in the guilt phase and therefore were not relevant. He argues it was not necessary for the state to present evidence of sexual deviance to show motive because there was a plethora of evidence that he was angry about the divorce and you had enough. You didn't have to kick me while I was down, is what they said.

So May 15th, 2009, 15 years after the actual act, the jury finds him guilty again. Okay, good. Yeah, guilty again. Yeah, that's real quick. Too many of these assholes in Texas are getting second chances.

It's wild. So they said, we're seeing more and more high profile defendants that are peddling their rights for books and movies. We wanted to make sure that this was that that was in the judgment that he cannot in any way profit from his rights. So they actually got him worse than he was before. So they say another death penalty for you, by the way. You're you're going to death. So Thursday, May 21st, 2009, they talked about the prosecutor called Bob's counsel, Randy McDonald, to notify her of her intent to introduce a recorded conversation and some photographs that were seized from his jail cell. conversation and some photographs that were seized from his jail cell.

Okay. She told this lawyer that Bob had stated in the conversation that he'd received from nude, some nude photographs of someone from King based on that conversation. Deputies, uh, searched his cell and seized the photographs he described along with some other items as contraband. They informed the lawyer that she intended to introduce the telephone conversation and the photographs into evidence and whatever.

So the investigator contained a CD copy of the recorded conversation and was unable to play it. They got him a working copy. It was a big mess. They scanned through the emails in an effort to identify Betsy, the person to whom the appellant had been speaking. identify Betsy, the person to whom the appellant had been speaking. They discovered in the past she had received emails from someone named Betsy Gomez that were potentially used as evidence. So they had all these other things. Sentencing, he requested a mistrial.

They said, you're getting the death penalty. So that's how that worked. Oh, also, the lawyer wanted no part of this shit anymore. Oh, really? His lawyer quit? Yeah. No, no no just done um she said she's not ready to present a closing argument because she'd been distracted by having to defend

herself because of some the thing with some weird records and photographs and all that so she said i don't know what the remedy is but i'm asking for a mistrial maybe a continuance i have the right to at least prepare an argument for him. At this point, I can't argue. And if we go forward, that's fine, but I will not be able to participate. So there you go. Now, they point out that his only criminal conviction is murder. That's it. Just one thing. Yeah, but that's the worst.

It's the worst one. In the 14 years between the first and second trials, his mental health was assessed by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice every 90 days. He's never found to be at risk for hurting himself or others. You know, it's crazy. So he said he had been working near sharp objects in the garment factory and that was fine. He never threatened or harmed anybody. His one disciplinary infraction was overturned on appeal and was ordered removed from his records he said that the the jury relied heavily on psychological evaluations and the facts

of the case that were presented to the first jury and it's just ridiculous and it's a death penalty again get the fuck out of here so he's gonna obviously appeal that and they argue blah blah blah it doesn't matter fuck him he's on death row so he's continuing he said to try to find real friends and what he calls real friendships from death row yeah he has a profile on inmateconnection.com oh definitely patreon.com for the prisoner dating game you can find people like this a website that describes its purpose as to make a difference in the lives of inmates serving prison terms. He goes by Bobby on the site and describes himself as single, which is accurate.

Asshole. His pitch is, quote, Hi, I'm Bobby and I'm looking for real friendships. Your age, sex, looks, marital status, nationality, race, and preferences don't matter to me. I'm open to any and all. Yeah, I'm on death row for Christ's sake. I'm a piece of shit. I'm single, easygoing, nonjudgmental, honest, don't play games, and have a good sense of humor, and I'm open to all topics, especially pooping in my mouth. Yeah.

I'm also a good listener if you need someone to talk to or a shoulder to lean on i'm here for you if you're tired of a shoulder to pee on if you're looking uh if you're tired of dealing with the superficiality of social media sites where many people get caught up with portraying themselves in an exaggerated manner and hopeless quest to meet someone else's ideals if you're willing to disconnect from an electronic device long enough to explore the possibility of a rich, warm, intimate human experience, then write me. I want and accept you as you are,

unless you are short or have small tits. It's a little less. Let's have a relaxed friendship based on openness and honesty with equal reciprocity and meaningful exchange and enjoy the wonderful rewards that come from it. Reciprocity. You twat fuck. So January 9th, 2023, Execution Day.

Really? Oh, yeah. For Bob, anyway. This year. Yeah. It was recorded. He had an interview recorded right for that. He said he had once supported the death penalty, but in his experience on death row, it's changed his mind.

I supported it for others. For me, not so much. Not for wife killers, though. Yeah. He said, quote, I never gave any thought to the death penalty, even though I was a police officer. And now that I'm going through it, I can understand how it's so ridiculously tormenting for the inmates to be put through this. Took you this, huh?

To have you knowing the day and time and everything you're going to die and it's prolonged and everything that they put you through beforehand, this is torturous. That's always my thing, is if you're going to have a death penalty, you got to come in and just blow someone's brains out

while they sleep or something. Because when they take someone out, when a murderer takes someone out in the middle of a field and points a gun and says, I'm going to kill you, dig your grave and all that, that's extra cruel. And you'll get extra time in prison or death penalty for that. That's exactly what you're doing. That's not. I mean, that's fine. But I don't know. Whatever.

So he said it's been kind of an enlightening experience as far as I never gave any thought to the death penalty um but i can understand how it's so ridiculously tormenting now he's that's yeah he said also that uh he believed that there were systematic issues that present that prevented his meritorious claims to halt his execution being heard now there's a delay oh it's delayed for more than an hour until the appeals clear the U.S. Supreme Court, and it does. They go, yeah, go ahead and kill him. That's fine. Okay. Go ahead and do that. Now, he was

among the Texas death row inmates who were saying that the drugs used in executions were expired and unsafe. Oh. That was what they were trying to do, but that lawsuit failed to stop shit. The execution comes. By the way, Texas in the 90s did away with being able to pick a last meal, so he just got whatever they were having, unfortunately.

Couple's oldest son, Bradley, and Farrah's brother, Zane, attended the execution. Really? Yes, they did. No witnesses attended on his behalf, though. A spiritual advisor stood with him, though, and they held his prayer book on the pillow next to his head and all that kind of thing. And they asked him, do you have a final statement, Bob? Say the words, Bob. His fucking son is sitting there. He could say anything.

Sorry. Something could make. Try to focus this on his son yeah instead he says nope no i'm done yeah what do i have to say fuck it so wow that was that they then resume praying and they stuck him and uh he snored loudly six times and then dropped fucking dead so there he's dead. Prystash and Guidry are just on death row still. We don't know. Still sitting there waiting, huh?

Still awaiting time. Guidry sounds dangerous, though. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's fucking dangerous. That kid at 18 murdered and pulled two very dangerous robberies after a murder. Then escaped death row. Then in death row jacked up a guard

and tried to escape again. He's dangerous. They're all dangerous. Don't get me wrong. But I mean, he's the action arm of this group. He actually will do this shit. It's not just an abstract idea. So, wow.

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