Small Town Murder - #426 - The Chief, The Floozie & The Church Lady - Lyons, Nebraska

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

This week, in Lyons, Nebraska, the new woman in town seems to be a non drinking, moralistic church person, until it's revealed that there's also an affair with her neighbor, the Chief of the town's police force, ever since they met at a bar. When one of them ends up dead, naked, and in a field, a manhunt takes place, leading to appearances on Unsolved Mysteries & America's Most Wanted. But will any of this be enough to solve this crazy case?Along the way, we find out that a lot of people who live in Nebraska are from Iowa, that being the Chief of Police doesn't excuse you from being the subject of a murder investigation, and you never want to be known by all your neighbors as just "The Floozie"!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And you'll get a shout out at the end of the regular show. That said, let's get right into this post taste because we have a lot of show for you, everybody. I think it's time to sit back. Let's all clear the lungs here and hands to the sky and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, everybody.

We are going to Nebraska. Oh, yeah. Where everyone goes on a trip. This is Lyons, Nebraska. It is north of Omaha there by Iowa. It's near Iowa by Sioux City, not too far from there. So population of this town, it's a tiny town too, and it's getting smaller. It's 712 is the population of this town. Oh, shit. Yeah and it's getting smaller it's 712 is the population of this town oh

shit yeah it's one of our very smaller ones and it's down 26 percent since the year uh 2020 so a quarter of the people have left in the last three years is that right that is not good for a small town like this uh median household income here 34 327,327, more than $20,000 less than the national average. Yeah. Median home price also low. It's cheap to live here. $95,800 is the median home cost. Okay.

Median home cost is under $100,000. $90,000. Wow. Motto here, and I hope they didn't hire someone to come up with this one because I think they could have got a five-year-old to do this. Quote, a great place to live. Again's there's like 19 of them so far some company just spread those around uh one per state or what it's actually known as kind of in the area is quote the sod capital of america is that right sod yeah i guess they grow sod that's where they grow it pull it up and put it

on a truck and take it to your house. Send it to Lowe's. Send it off. Temporary grass grows here. Won't be here for long. Enjoy it while it's here. We're going to scalp it and roll it. Scalp and roll, baby.

History of this town. The first kind of settlers into the town came in 1866, so right after the Civil War. A lot of fertile soil around here here so that was a good thing and then the railroad came through and then you have a town as we know incorporated in 1884 named for waldo lion waldo waldo waldo lion l-y-o-n a prominent citizen whose land was where the plots were laid out prominent citizen that's it he just's it. Just a guy. He just owned everything. Like where they laid out Main Street, that was all his land. So they were like, we'll name it after you if you let us put a fucking drug store up.

What do you say? Let us put the post office up and we'll name it after you. One of the finest trotting tracks in the country opened in 1891. Is that? Like horses, I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, aren't there? That that's like aren't there i suppose you can

trot anything right don't keep it under a certain mile an hour no running horses just a just a nice trot it's like speed walking so it's got to be very smooth it won't hurt your horse is that what they want i'd have no idea it doesn't really matter though because i guess famous horses broke world records here actually like it was a fast course running but then it hard times came and it closed in 1893 so in two years it went from the gem of the horse racing community to closed not good um yeah reviews of this town there is only one review because there's very few people. So we could find one review and they seem to like it. Four stars. I live outside city limits.

Let's not go crazy with this city thing. First of all. 700 people here for Christ's sake. And absolutely love it. Small town and lots of wonderful people. The school and teachers help and promote healthy learning. Whatever that is uh this is a

great area to live in with quiet quarters it's a tiny small quiet town they like that so if you like that you'll like it if not you won't that's all you got 700 people how how can it be any how can it be loud i'm gonna be that's i don't like anything more than quiet i don't like all the traffic that builds up. What can you say? You haven't got a trotting track anymore. No, there's no line at McDonald's there. Oh, they don't have a McDonald's probably.

I'm sure they don't. Things to do here. The July 4th Bluegrass Festival. Okay. Come on through for some fireworks and bluegrass and dancing and a children's tractor pull, which we've never been able to determine is a child pulling a tractor or a child driving a tractor. Neither sounds like a good idea.

I hope it's the latter. I hope it's the former. It would be hilarious to see kids with a tractor strapped to their back fucking trying to pull that thing. That'd be amazing. They wouldn't have got three feet. You win. Little Billy won with three feet before strong little fucker before he collapsed and he he needed some

teddy grams there's also a demolition derby those are fun and fireworks display also classic car and motorcycle show as well uh there are trophies for best paint and best of show for the cars best paint i don't know there's a thing so because well yeah yeah if you've got a great paint job you want a fucking award for it look at me my paint job also they have the citywide again little optimistic with the city citywide garage sale yeah again another one of these uh jesus it runs holes and yard sales come on through it's a whole weekend september 29th through october 1st three-day event not to be missed it says on the website here really mark your calendars and spread the word everybody people have people are putting their old garbage in their front yards and then selling it would you like to

haggle with your neighbors for some shit that's been in their attic for 15 years? Come on! Let's go! Break somebody's balls about 35 cents. Jesus Christ. It's sponsored by the Swap Meat Flea Market also. They have a Sunday Swap Meat Flea Market. Shop till you drop and uncover hidden treasures

throughout the community. See you there. Every Sunday they do this anyway? They do it anyway. But then they have a swap meet, but then on this particular weekend, everybody brings out their old shit, not just a few select people. In just their own yard. Yeah, that's it.

There's an official garage sale map. Oh. So you have to call or text a guy named Corbin to get on the map, it says. So get Corbin in there. We should named Corbin to get on the map, it says. So get Corbin in there. We should call Corbin and get our home address. We definitely should. Let's all text Corbin. Let's not give out Corbin's phone number to hundreds of thousands of people.

Don't do it. That would be terrible to do. It's on the website, though. It could happen. Poor bastard. That said, now that we have a setting for this place here let's talk about a murder because let's do it in this town it's gonna be it's gonna be big news whenever someone is killed obviously oh for sure no one here and it's very idyllic corbin's getting a

text about it yeah oh shit uh let's a lot of this by the way there's some good stuff that wasn't anywhere else from a new yorker article American Chronicles Stranger in Town by a guy named Calvin Trillin from 1988. So some good information in there. I want to give them a plug. If they had info no one else did, you know, you're uncovering shit. You went and dug. Good for you. Let's talk about a lady here.

Okay. Let's talk about a lady. All right. Anna Marie Miller Anton is her name her name okay she's got two two last names born anna marie miller and her married name is anton and then she's divorced and keeps anton apparently when she's younger she goes by suzy but then switches back to anna later on in life what i don't know people call her suzy for some reason there was a lot of suzy as a nickname in the 60s because of really there was a lot of songs where they that wake up suzy this one suzy

a lot of suzy going on in the 60s that was like anna marie got some songs too yeah but yeah the suzy was a lot of girls were nicknamed suzy in the 60s for some reason yeah like little girls you'd call it little suzy q and then it would just be Susie after a while. That was a normal thing back then, because we've had, this is not the first person who was called Susie for no reason that grew up in this era that we've talked about. It's like a guy named Jeff being called Little Timmy. It's weird. Yes.

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. None. None. So born in Washington, D.C. apparently somehow, but grows up in Iowa, in like a small town in Iowa. So, I don't know how that worked. But a friend of hers described her as a faint, late-blooming flower child who experimented with drugs and also had attempted suicide at some point in her teens. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

She was all into the hippie movement she's born in 1952 so okay she is prime time right yeah i mean that's it's right there so that's what she's into um they said she was an attractive girl blonde petite energetic um they said she had some problems though with drinking and drugs around the time she's graduating from high school her friends called her spacey that was her nickname you know so she's known as kind of a flake too she'll kind of disappear once in a while if there's a party going on where where did anna go or where'd suzy go and she's gone for you know who knows she just yeah on a whim decided to do something yeah um she gets involved with a bunch of different religions as a teenager, too. Trying it all.

That's great. And in the 60s, late 60s, early 70s, that was very normal. People were, that was a time of great religion shopping. People were looking for shit. That was when people were looking at Eastern religions. They were looking at all sorts of stuff. She became involved with Baha'i. B-A-H-I-A-Iai b-a-h-i-a-i

b-a-h-a-i bahai faith um and she uh went to work at a movie theater in town and she was responsible enough to be left with the keys to the movie theater anyway she could close up and do all that so she's she's pretty you know responsible when she has to be. Not that spacey. But she gets out of that religion and she's in a bunch of different religions here as well. She was a follower of the Rosicrucians at one point.

She dug deep, man. Yeah. And then after all of this, then she went to, she was an intensely devout Episcopalian for a while. And then came full circle all the way back to being Catholic again, which is where she started. So she ran the gam and it was like, I don't know, I guess this was fine. Whatever.

All these other calendars of holidays are fucking weird. They don't make any sense. I know what the medals mean. I know what the saints are. Yeah. You know, it's enough. I memorized it all. It's too much to study everything else.

When the jobs and the national holidays coincide with a certain religion, you tend to just go to that. You just go to that. It's so easy. Well, you know, everyone's off on Christmas, so why not? I'll just stick with this shit. They said she was sincerely religious. All of her friends thought and devout. But then she also would wander off for a few days if what they said, quote, a good party came along.

She's real Catholic. So, yeah, that sounds Catholic. I mean, if she's drinking and doing that, that's I don't. Yeah. I mean, I don't understand. I don't know where the where the where it's being separated here. I don't understand i don't know where the where the the where it's being separated here i don't know so they said she would spend long evenings in the kind of bars in different bars and where she would uh she she would ask people she'd have drinking contests with people about

who could drink the most peppermint schnapps ew so that's disgusting. But again, Catholic. Yeah. I grew up Catholic and that seems that's what I remember. That's a fascinating talent to be able to put that shit away. Good for her. Imagine not having a heartburn after two of those. I can't anymore. I can't. Jesus, Tums, Tums. I'm going to lay down in a minute and that's not going to be good. Can you mix the next one with about 90% ginger ale, please? Because I feel like I need to settle my stomach. So her one friend said she was almost like two people. She wanted to be this moralistic person.

She had some sort of religious deficit. She wanted to be that, but that really wasn't kind of who she were was yeah because it's not fun it's not fun exactly she's that's what she thinks she should because she's in iowa i mean everybody's you know it's not cool in iowa i'm sure to be like a hippie named spacey back then they're like what the hell's wrong with you like you know so spacey at communion you're not shucking this winter? I don't understand. You put that thing on my tongue, but I'm not even tripping. Yeah.

She's like, that was bunk acid, man. You guys been to that one building? It's, like, super big. There's a bell on top and stuff. It goes off on the hour. Like, this one dude, like, he was dressed like he was dressed like he was like real like fancy. Like he had these, I figured he'd have real good acid,

but then he put it on my tongue and I waited. He put tabs on everybody's tongue. None of us got high. Like a half hour later I left. I was like, man, this shit still didn't kick in yet. And then like two hours later I was like,

this is bunk, man. This is bunk. I went back. I was like, yo, your stuff is no good bro would that be a would that be a terrible prank to just like go put a bunch of drops on the

communion wafers i'm sure it's been done before in hippie times that's a fantastic liquid acid times just to just to have a bunch of people in their best clothes going batshit monkey in a zoo fucking crazy with each other because they don't know what's going on. The only way to stay in control on acid is to tell yourself you're on acid. You did this on purpose. You should enjoy this. If you don't know why this is happening, you just think God is coming for us all. God, it's the rapture. I knew it was happening.

You have no idea what's going on and the organ incense and everything out the whole thing the whole thing the horror the stained glass oh god get me out of this building jesus they'd end up people would be feasting over the open chest cavity of the priest and the altar boys in the front by the end of it. They wouldn't know what happened. I'm torn between that being funny and not. Well, it's not cool to give someone drugs they didn't ask for.

So that's never cool. Funny is another story. Hilarious, yes. Cool and funny are going to be two different things, Jimmy. So around, there's a woman who hires Anna as a babysitter. And I guess this woman said that the way Anna was, was whoever – she kind of would attach herself to older women that were mother figures. Okay. That she would work for and things like that and then whenever she had problems

she just kind of lean on these people like they were her mother you know what i mean oh she'd stay with people in between apartments like the lady she babysat for and yeah stuff like that one one of the people said quote she sort of had a tendency to drift along and have other people look after her huh so yeah which i mean a lot of young people are like that because they don't know how to take care of themselves yet right you know and late blooming yeah and late blooming too uh 1975 she gets in a car accident a one car crash just her and it's bad for her uh real bad she almost almost killed in this car accident she after that she drags one leg and walks with a cane oh no at 23 yeah it's it's it's rough uh took her months to work her way up to getting around a little bit with just a cane so you need a wheelchair or a walker um she finds a husband after this she marries a guy named tom anton

after she's incapacitated here but this guy is known as kind of a grumpy son of a bitch um yeah they said he had a bunch of different jobs all just manual labor um he eventually went to vocational training school and while he was there then um you know the marriage fell apart you know welding school is tough on a marriage everybody knows that it's an old it's an old saying usually when you get married the person marrying you will be like just you, if he ever goes to welding school, know it'll be difficult. So they started to, she turns to get a divorce from him. So when she's an adult now, a friend of hers in Iowa said that she's a woman who did not have a whole lot of things to look forward to in her life.

She wasn't even 30 yet. She's not even 30 yet like calm down they had her dead and buried go sit in a room with some cats you crippled bitch like all of her friends were it's like jesus christ for you yeah how about some physical therapy and then you know try to get out there and do whatever you got to do i don't know like you can do that now you know nobody would tell her like well i guess you better just with her so she didn't do very well in the divorce settlement because they didn't have anything they were both young and he didn't have any money so she got a thousand dollars and also her father gave her some appliances and she has three large

dogs she has irish setters so holy shit that's her package here she is living pretty much rent free in a farmhouse at one point here. And an arrangement with a local Catholic church that was made with the owner of the house that she could stay there. He was an elderly man and he went into a nursing home so they let her stay there to take care of the house. It was like, well, she needs a place to stay and you need someone in the house. So the owner ends up dying, though, and the estate arranges to sell the property. She's got nowhere to go.

So her church friends try to find her another place to stay, but they can't find a place for her. How hard is it to find a place for, I guess, three large dogs is a problem. Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem. So I guess some of the people had stopped being friends with her because they thought she took advantage of them, had a show for her around all the time and wouldn't even seem grateful. She'd just be like, can you you know, you need to pick me up and take me here. And like it was a taxi service.

I need to be here. Yeah. She'd stop being grateful. One said she was a very loyal friend and she tried to give give back, but she could be very demanding. So October 86, she ends up moving to lions nebraska which is a rural area it's near spencer iowa is the next biggest town there and no one moves here unless their family's here this isn't like a you don't just move to lions there's no industry there's no jobs it's not like a place you go. So it's really weird. Everyone's like, that's strange.

This is where your luck's going to change in a tiny, dusty town in Nebraska? It's strange. The Sod capital or the sad capital for you it's going to be? It's really fucking strange. They had a Main Street. That's pretty much it. Main Street with that angled parking that's that that small town main street parking plenty of room for those big dogs to run around yeah that's nice anyway um they said she didn't come to the town for relatives or a job she had no connections from everyone around there they didn't think she had any connections but the person there is a person she knows and that's why she's here she met a person the mayor mary piper she said there wasn't a logical reason for her to be here

you know your town sucks when the mayor mayor when someone moves there they go well there's no logical reason to move here that's the mayor not oh it was our beauty and our thing and you can jump here and maybe she wants to start a small business no no logical reason this place is really a shithole i'll tell you i don't know why she came it's strange it wasn't for me winning the mayorship i'd have lost i'd have left a long time ago yeah i was trying to leave and these people they elected me i wouldn't even run i don't know what happened forcing me to be here it was my turn there's not a lot of people here so we all have to take a turn so So she's got a cat as well. She lives in this.

It's called the Pink House on the street. It's a pink house that was turned into a duplex with a downstairs apartment and an upstairs apartment. It used to be a single-family home. So that's how this works. Yeah, there's like an inside stairway connects the two units. That's how it goes. So she depended on small disability she got disability income and basically the kindness of strangers and neighbors and church people to take her places run her errands help her if she's short that sort of thing here she she attended uh

saint joseph's catholic church in lionsons, and now she's still there, back into Catholicism. Some people said she appeared to be a person who lived in fear, which she would refuse to open the door until someone would identify themselves, which in small town Nebraska and Iowa, that's considered strange,

because people there, a lot of them don't even lock their doors at this time. They're like, come in, it's open jesus they have a screen door couch yeah it's but like you know in a lot of other places if you've ever lived in a city you don't just open a fucking door you find out who it is first it might be a murderer for all you know you ever heard the story this show at all ever also she's got a disability making her more vulnerable exactly i want to know who the fuck is there before I'm opening this goddamn thing. Totally.

A friend of hers named Shirley Edgecombe said she also seemed kind of skittish and said that Anna gave her an envelope containing the name of a woman friend in Iowa to contact, quote, in case anything happens to me. Huh. She doesn't even know anybody there so it's really weird she also by the way that accident where she's dragging her legs she also has facial scars she has to wear a lot of makeup to cover it she's self-conscious of it um people in lions and this is quotes from people said that she looked like a pretty woman who had been through some troubles um okay one man at the highway cafe said quote she had some mileage on her sir that's his quote what what a thing to say about something she drags her leg well that

one uh what is about 150 000 miles on that bad voice she's gonna need a transmission at some point her fluids are all all clotted up at this point i don't like that she had curly bleached blonde hair and they said she wore it over to one side and people in lions they said either people thought it was over glamorous oh she just had her hair pushed over to the side oh yeah with a cane dragging her foot with facial scar look at her thinks she's a movie star who thinks she's to feel her in now goddamn i don't know we were around here with the queen of fucking angle look at her fancy you're gonna wave to everybody as you float on by let's see your fucking coronation nice hair lady or they just thought she was odd okay um they said

it was kind of like 60s ish the way it looked still kind of stuck in the 60s there but she had a hard time even walking a few blocks from where she lived to the stores on main street she didn't have a car um there's no public transportation there's no cabs or anything like that so she needs assistance so people would do that they people would help her they drive her around they'd go back and forth um yeah people said that lions might have been the reason why she came here is because it was kind of she was looking for one person said she was looking for a peaceful place where no one was likely to run across her people said she was vague about where she came from, just somewhere in Iowa. And she said that except for a nun who forwarded her mail, no one back there knew where she was.

She said it was important that no one back there knew where she was because she feared for her life. She's basically Julia Robertson sleeping with the enemy. Yeah. Vague backstory. You know, I live in this house. I don't know. You know, don't worry about it. People can't know where I am. She's very fascinating. She's

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She said she showed, this person said she had showed, quote, some people in town a newspaper clipping about a drug ring arrest in Iowa and said that she had come as a result, this all had come as a result of her tip. So she talked about being constantly afraid. And that's when she gave her friend a thing and said, if anything happens to me, this is who you contact. OK. So, I mean, she might just be a lonely person that wants to make herself sound important, too. Or she might be afraid of her ex-husband.

Or, I mean, I'm saying if you're a person who doesn't know her and you're just looking in, you're like, I don't know what the deal with her is. But, OK, take it at face value, I guess. I don't know her and you're just looking in you're like i don't know what the deal with her is but okay take it at face value i guess i don't know her so maybe this is all true so the drug thing has me baffled because she loves drugs she did love drugs at one point but okay it's straight yeah it's weird so the apartment she used to live in or she lives in now in lions the downstairs apartment of this pink house, used to be occupied by a woman who all the neighbors called, quote, the floozy. The 80s Iowa guys. Yeah.

The floozy. Look at her. She put eye makeup on. Look at that. Oh, Jesus. What a floozy. I saw her talk to a man once. They said, among other...

They went around the back of the building together, only he came out. And what they described doesn't seem to be a floozy thing as much as a bad parent thing. She had constantly neglected her two small children to the point that the county came and took them away from her. Oh, my. In the 80s. So you really had to fuck up. You were still allowed to beat your kids back then. So you just had to let them wander.

Neighbor across the street noticed the new tenant being Anna and went over and welcomed her and all that sort of thing. They said she was, this woman across the street said said she's totally different than the floozy. She said the apartment looked the same but you know now it's spotless and it's nice it doesn't look like a mess and you know she said she's a devout Catholic. She attended services. She kept rosary

beads and a supply of holy water around the house in case she's got to bless something. In case I got to throw a blessing on something real quick. You never know. You don't know. She called her dogs her babies. She doesn't have any kids.

One of the volunteers at church drove her to Tecama. I don't care. The story is not about this town, so don't tell me how it's pronounced. I don't care. To see about the paperwork for her disability check, and the church was providing her with some groceries. A neighbor drove her to Winnebago, which is on the Indian Reservation. There, it's about 20 miles away.

She wanted to see about registering a community college for a law enforcement course that might lead her to work as a parole or probation officer. That's what she's trying to do here. So people from church would bring her food the guys put up her storm coverings on the windows and like people took care of like people she has like a support group here people said that you know they would say who's gonna go pick up anna do we need to take anything to anna like everybody was very worried about her now maybe she doesn't have a lot to fear in this house because her upstairs neighbor is a guy named Gregory Webb. And he is the reason why she's in Lyons, by the way.

Nobody knows that at the time in town, but he met her at a bar and told her, you should come to Lyons. The place below me just opened up. And she said, sure. That's how she ended up here. Greg is a 6'7", 225 pound police chief. Holy shit. Who

takes the cruiser home. So she has a cruiser parked outside of her house at all times and a gigantic man with a gun upstairs who's sworn to protect her. Hopper. Jesus. So yeah, she's got Hopper upstairs. So that's pretty good for her.per so yeah she's got hopper upstairs so that's pretty good unbelievable yeah i guess they said he was kind of an aloof unemotional humorous guy everybody said he kept very business hopper exactly not angry though yeah or well he was

drunk as we'll talk about here he they said he was competent and cooperative and unlike hopper was in the beginning when he was just drunk in season one. So it was only a two-man police force. So chief is really, you know, you want to do rock, paper, scissors for this? We win by measuring. That's all of you. I'm vigor. Well, no, he took paper, and I have a strategy to always pick rock, and this time it didn't work out for me, so I'm not the chief.

He'd been divorced for a few months now. People said he was a good lawman, had a knowledgeable, you know, got a knowledge of guns and knew police stuff. He knew he was skilled at reading fingerprints back before he just put it in a computer. stuff he knew was skilled at reading fingerprints back before you just put it in a computer the one deputy who worked with him the other deputy in the in the town said he was cool smooth and not easily excited i've never seen him display an ill temper all right so they said that this is not a lot for a cop to do here this is like you know a teenager knocked over a mailbox job on the planet literally it's it's what hopper did a teenager with a mailbox your pumpkins are weird let's look at them shit

like that uh one but one guy said a lot of the job is in the category of being a night watchman a lot of it is boredom the point is mainly to have a presence there if you don't have someone the lowlifes know they can come in and do anything they'll come in and take over the town so she met anna met greg webb at the dry dock lounge ew yeah um that's one letter away from the worst dry cock lounge nobody wants that dried oh by the way speaking of dry lines is a dry town too by the way really yes dry town so he that's how he met her by leaving to go get wet yeah exactly well good for him go get some dry cock in a wet place yeah according to one of her friends quote everything else had shut down on her and she needed a place to live and he told her about the place and within a few days she got help from a friend to help her move her belongings and she borrowed some money from a priest to rent a van.

And there you go. They said that she seemed like she thought it would be safer to have a police cruiser outside the front of the house. A little more about Greg. In 1977 he was a Burt County deputy sheriff when he left the force. This was eight years earlier, nine years earlier, to go to Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe.

Where the Ridgebacks are at. That's far. Basically, he went to be a mercenary paid by the Rhodesian government to keep a rebel uprising down. Wow. That's what he signed on for. How'd he even find that gig? He injured his knee in training and then figured out after 10 weeks that he wasn't the money they paid him.

You were not allowed to leave the country with that money. Oh. So he's like, okay, if I stay here, I have to live here forever to spend the money. Why am I here? He didn't know that at first. And then he said, you can't leave with this money. This stays in the country. And he went, oh, well, fuck this then.

And he went home um the sheriff said of another county said when he came back everyone had tagged him as a killer mercenary they said where you been doing mercenary work in rhodesia for the government putting down rebels oh okay that is all right that's scary that sounds terrifying so 10 weeks there they said he had in when he was there one friend said quote he had connections with soldier of fortune magazine here we go again again again he admired that lifestyle but he didn't pursue it one said so he attended a soldier of fortune training camp in arizona in 1981 though what ohaintained military equipment, a supply of survival foods,

and kept a small cache of weaponry here. Two AR-15s and a couple of rifles here, ones that were favored by mercenaries in Africa that he found. Jeez. He's there. Yes, Christ. He only read war books and saw war movies.

His friend Carlos said, quote, he was ready for the Russians toians to come he was ready for it what a what a weird way to live this this guy watched a few too many hulk hogan promos in 1985 and got a little too carried away with this whole shit the iron sheik and nikolai volkov are not really coming for you they said that he was actively involved in a chapter of the Committee of Ten Million, which is a militia that is based on, it's like a Red Dawn style militia, except they have nothing to fight. They're just running around in circles out there. In his personal life, he has a 12-year-old son that he doesn't seem to see very often. He's divorced.

He saw a bunch of women in the area. But they said he would see people outside of town a lot because he was worried about his reputation. His friend said he was worried about gossip. Gossip because he's the chief of police. Nobody here. Small town. Some of the kids in the high school called him G.I. Joe because his only interest was in military stuff and he wore camouflage pants all the time. Really?

Oh, yeah. That's what he is. He loves Soldier of Fortune. That's his favorite magazine. That's so wild. Again, that comes up. It's the third time now. But that one, was that last week that came up?

Yeah. So the mayor said he was capable and intelligent. came up. So the mayor said he was capable and intelligent, and she thought it was a good idea for him to keep away from the local people, keep a distance, because basically you don't want to have to be buddies with someone that you're going to pull over for drunk driving two days later. Keep a distance here. At one point he told a friend that he'd been recruited to take part in an

operation that was to place a number of mercenaries in El Salvador, and then that didn't work out. Okay. So that didn't work out at all. And so here he is. He gets divorced. He'd never been a drinker in the past, but his friend said since he's been divorced, he's started drinking a lot. Oh, boy, do you tie it on.

And especially, he really liked Mad Dog 2020. Loved that. Which is the cheap wine that we used to drink when I was a teenager that came in like strawberry flavor and shit yeah the man's got a job and he's drinking that mad dog 2020 that is gotta get the dog in me that's some shit you share with your friends in an alley in a very sad day it's we've all done a homeless man bought it for you yeah because you paid him three dollars you had to buy him one too that was right that's how it works we've done that so uh one friend said they noticed the drinking and this other sheriff learned that webb showed

up drunk one day for a freelance deputy sheriff shift he occasionally pulled so they didn't hire him for that again oh my god drunk policing um i guess they said conversations with his friend turned more and more with his friends would turn more and more toward drinking and womanizing as this went on you know he talked about going to arnold's park which is between east and lake east and west lake okabogi in the area of northern iowa He likes to go there. And he said one day in 86, we'll have a drink at the Dry Dock. The Dry Dock Lounge is in the Four Seasons Motel.

Not the Four Seasons Hotel. The Four Seasons Motel. It's a different place. How dare they? How are they allowed? He was hanging out with Jake the Number Four four yeah yeah just no it's not either it's four seasons spelled out really yeah uh he's hanging out with a guy named jake of the lake that's who he's good dude yeah that's jake that's when he met anna and talked him up uh she said that everybody said that in town she seemed intensely religious.

Anna said she talked, they said she talked all the time about how she wanted to get rid of those druggies. Okay. Very angry at that. Said she hated drugs and liquor. Oh. Even though she just met this guy at a bar. At the bar. Yeah.

Again, she doesn't like gossip either, obviously. Uh, Greg, by the way, the way, he'd been banging the floozy. Yeah, I guess they said. Yeah, and would still receive occasional visits from her. Anna would tell people that she heard Webb and the floozy

upstairs at night and it disgusted her. Look at them fornicating. They're fornicating. Disgusting. oh my god she was absolutely disgusted as soon as she got done diddling herself i'm sure yeah i don't know if she was doing that i'm not saying i know but yeah she said that she was she assured their damnation by the way by sprinkling holy water on the stairs going up to his apartment oh and told her friends she felt uncomfortable in his presence.

She has to walk through this blessed water. That's it. Take that. To get her cock. That's it. And then what happens? You go right to hell, I guess. I don't know.

She did say, though, that she felt safe living below a police chief. So that was good. You know, she said it was nice having the cruiser out front. But then we find out that anna and greg were hooking up too she says all this is the outside yes i mean it's that protests too much shit here with both of them uh he doesn't want the gossip and neither does she she doesn't want to be the new lady in town who's also a floozy now floozy to the new floozy in town the gimpy floozy over here nobody wants that

so acquaintances said that there was no romantic relationship between them one friend said she always insisted she didn't have anything going on with him or have anything to do with him but her friends in iowa say oh no no yeah they were hooking up. He met her at a bar in Iowa. She just purported herself as a completely different human being when she got to Nebraska. Just, I hate drugs. I hate drinking. I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole. I'm a church person.

But she's got another side. They said that, you know, she was hooking up with him, basically. They said on the October night when a friend of hers from Iowa helped her move into this apartment, they said that Anna slept upstairs with Greg in his apartment. Well, this guy slept downstairs and Anna's a new apartment. Oh. Now, about a month later, this guy said he got a letter from Anna where she wrote that she planned to take a trip to Iowa with Greg and said in this, quote, she didn't know if she could stand to be with him that long.

Huh. And signed the letter lonely, in shock, and hopeful. Oh, like a fucking... Weird. Editorial? Yeah, like a personal ad. Personal ad, yeah. Or like a Dear Abby type shit,

like an old newspaper thing. December 15th, 1986. No one has seen her this day. And I guess the next day, Shirley Edgecombe, the neighbor across the street, was supposed to pick her up and take her to the food pantry and get some food. And there's no answer on the door. So she goes back the next day still no answer and they said they were worried that she's unsteady on her feet maybe she fall and fell and hurt herself too badly to get to the door so they talk to greg who's upstairs and they say

the welfare check is right upstairs yeah can you help us and he has a key to the place so he helps lets him in anna's not there okay her cane's not there either oh so where she is wherever she is her her three dogs are all in the basement oh and they said no arrangements had been made with anyone to have them fed or taken out or anything like that they're just down there and they said she called her dogs or babies and would dote on them and that was weird that she would leave that's just very weird and they said also where the hell did she go she has no transportation we're the people she depends on what the fuck so yeah shirley opens up the envelope and calls the person that she's supposed to call a woman named sylvia nelson who lives in iowa and she when she gets a hold of sylvia

sylvia tells her we like she's like oh my god anna Anna took off, and she's not here, or Kane's not here, and she's very dependable. This isn't like that. And her friend Sylvia said, this isn't unusual at all for her to take off suddenly. Really? She told her, trust me, if she gets an invitation to a party that seems promising, she'll take off for a few days. That's how she is. And they were like, Anna? Anna Anton?

She hates booze. That's not the person we're talking about. But they were like, I mean, I guess it's good that we know that maybe she takes off sometimes. It means she's probably safe. So that's good. Who knows? So December 17th, though, there is this. There's a it's a little strange. Now Webb decides that she still didn't come home, Greg Webb.

And he said, I'm going to go ahead and file a missing persons report on her. Since he's a cop. I can do that. Yeah. Yeah. So he does that. She doesn't turn up here. 12 days go by.

Christmas passes. What about the dogs? Christmas night. Other people are taking care of them. No, I mean, she would have to feed them if they're babies. What the fuck? passes what about the dogs christmas night other people are taking care of them no i mean she yeah she would have to feed them if they're babies she what the fuck 12 days go by wow um and then in walt hill nebraska a farmer was going to get some hay for his livestock oh no drives down a dirt road to some land he leased on the winnebago reservation and sees well the quote is he saw something sticking out of the grass

it was an arm wow yeah um it is a woman who fits the description of anna she is naked and shot three times really twice in the side once in the head 38 caliber um naked with frost on her, covered in a blanket, like wrapped in a blanket. Arm hanging out of the grass. Yes, arm sticking up from rigor. It was in high grass along County Road G, which is an unmaintained dirt road on the Winnebago Reservation, about 20 miles away. So, yeah, frost is on her, three bullet holes from a 38. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, Frost is on her three bullet holes from a 38. Like we said, um, when they talked to Webb about this, cause he's the neighbor and then the police chief. So he was like, he said that, oh yeah, I gave her a 38 for her protection. She was always real paranoid. So I said, well, I have an extra 38. Keep that in your desk drawer. You know what I mean? That'll keep you safe so the headline the next day is slaying stuns community and it's you know holy shit uh greg webb was quoted as saying she had a very positive attitude

with a strong faith in god and uh other people said she seems pretty nice that's the basic thing here seemed like a nice lady um so they rather than the police, because it's on a reservation. Yeah, that's another thing. Is it police reservation? No. Reservation police? No, that's the problem. Usually if it's found on the reservation, then the body, then it would be the FBI involved.

But because she's from Lyons and there's no evidence she was killed on the reservation, so now they think it happened in Lyons. So they have to have Lyons involved. They also have the state involved. They have counties involved. There's like eight different police forces involved here. And they all meet up, not at a police station, at the Highway Cafe. That's where they have their little sit-downs. That's where they have their command center.

Biscuits and gravy and murder conversation. Yep. They said it was a convenient place because they could get food and everything was there. And one of them, there's a reporter there going through this as this is happening. And one of the police officers said quote, let's face it, if you find

a body on an Indian reservation, first thing you think of is Indians. What? Did you find an arrow in her back by any chance does he mean like did she have a scalp or not yeah that her that her fucking horse and buggy might have been overtaken her wagon was overtaken by indians is what they say a man with a man with a white horse and a red handprint on the ass of it probably did it. I'm pretty sure.

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. But they said that there had been a report that two Native Americans in a pickup truck had been seen in Lyons that day and that a similar truck had been spotted near where the body was discovered. Okay. So they said at that point, they also had to think of, was this her ex-husband? Okay. Is that it? Or maybe that's it here.

So maybe finally. So they made a call to Iowa to figure out her husband, Tom, had not been involved in a drug raid and that Anna was not an informant. She never had a tip. He was never arrested. All of that was made up and she did not she was not afraid of anybody because no one was mad at her why did she do that that's the thing who knows she made she had a complete julia roberts story only there wasn't a psycho ex-husband he was like i don't fucking care i don't even know where she moved to he was like whatever created a new life yeah i didn't get busted i'm not pissed

off at her what are you talking about like he was and all the she moved to. He was like, whatever. She's created a new life. Yeah, I didn't get busted. I'm not pissed off at her. What are you talking about? And all the people that knew her, her family was like, she didn't get that. That never happened. Like, just never happened. So the one cop said he didn't put much stock in the story about Indians either. He said he hadn't had a chance to do a lot of work on this, but he said, this seems kind of silly. He said, but Greg Webb is the guy who's upstairs, so he's the guy he wants to talk to. December 28th, he talks, rather than talking to these cops, he does talk to these cops.

They ask him whether he'd ever slept with Anna. And he says, absolutely not. And then he said, okay, we slept together her first night in Lyons, but never again after that. Okay. And the cops said, that didn't sound true yeah yeah no um and that's the thing because during the whole time she's telling all the church people that this guy discuss her she's actually they're sleeping together the whole time right they're hanging out together um so yeah um one web had taken her to a friend of his house who lives near

sioux city who's another gun guy who teaches at a community college, and had mentioned her resentment of his continued attentions to the floozy. She brought up to his friend. He's still banging this one chick, though, and I don't like it. This guy said of Anna, quote, she reminded me of Holly Golightly from Breakfast at Tiffany's. That's the character from Breakfast at Tiffany's. Carefree, kindhearted, but flaky.

Okay. of Tiffany's. That's the character from Breakfast at Tiffany's. Carefree, kind hearted, but flaky. As they said, it became clear that, you know, Greg is the guy they want to talk about, but he's also involved in this, so we need to get him out of the conversation. Right. So they said they were suspicious because the body was left without clothes. They said

that their body seemed to have been cleaned. There wasn't any hair or fibers on it at all. So that's interesting. They said the body was left in a place that could cause jurisdictional complications and that, you know, they think maybe this is somebody who knows about law enforcement techniques here.

Not bad. So they searched her apartment and the test shows small amounts of blood on the walls and floor of her apartment. They said there was no way of knowing whether it was her types unless they got further tests. So they traced the blood, by the way. They follow it into the hallway outside her apartment, then found more on the

wall leading up the stairs. Uh-oh. Yeah. So there's talk about trying to get a search warrant for Greg's apartment. Or maybe we could just ask him if he'll let us search without a warrant. He's a cop, you know? So they said, yeah, why not? But they said, no, no, let's not.

It's untyped blood. We don't even know if it's his. Let's not, because that's going to look bad if he didn't do anything. And now we're bringing the police chief into this. He'll never be able to be the police chief again. Also, we ran out of luminol. They ran out of luminol they ran out they ran out of luminol we're like well we got we'll come back tomorrow when we get more we gotta stop gotta stop at the crime scene store real quick pick one of those up on the way back

jesus christ so then the lab test confirms that the it's anna it's anna's blood type all over the place here because that's all they can do at that time this is five days later though this happens after they get into all this december 30th mayor piper runs into greg webb as he's walking out of the first national bank yeah they spent a few minutes discussing some juvenile problems there was some graffiti over here, something like that. Webb said he's thinking of taking a few days off of vacation time here for the New Year's holiday. And then he didn't clock in for the rest of the week. So the mayor assumed that, you know, he figured he's taking his BTO.

But in actuality, he took every goddamn dime he had out of First National Bank that day, $3,500, and he's gone. Fled. What? Took the hell off from the area. Gone. What the shit? So they get a warrant and search his apartment on January 3rd, and they find a shitload of blood.

Really? Same type as Anna, same blood from downstairs. And he's gone. And he's gone. One of the neighbors said, we were kind of jittery around here. What frightened people was that Greg Webb had been a policeman here for 10 years. He knew our routines. He knew our schedules.

Why would he do this? That's what's so crazy. A former mayor named Spike Going is his name. Yeah, Spike. He said that he didn't know that Webbb was not no this is bullshit he said that he was convinced that webb somehow became entangled in somebody else's troubles and was fleeing the killers rather than the law he's afraid too you know because he's a humongous guy with an ar-15 in his fucking house he's terrified of people who happens to be the most powerful man

in town chief of police right spike said he didn't do it and i'll go to my grave believing that i think the man knows who did it but i don't think he did it the only reason she came here was to hide from the underground to begin with the al capone type people a few white trash people with some drugs in the middle of fucking northern Iowa. The Al Capone type people. Holy shit. That man is very easily frightened. Wow. You know, once you're in the underground, you don't get out alive.

She had marked her husband or somebody. So she must have ratted and they were all after him. He's seen a lot of movies, this guy. That man should have to pass a confidence test to watch the news or vote. I want that guy. I want to find out if he's okay in the head before he's allowed to vote. No, he ran a town, Jimmy. He was a year removed from running the town. He wasn't like the mayor 30 years ago he was just

the mayor al capone types once you're in the underground you don't get out alive is that right wow january 6 1987 he is charged web is with first degree murder they have nothing to go on other than blood in his house and the fact that he took off, but they're going to charge him. That's January 7th. He calls a cop that he knows in the area named Douglas and there's an operator that connects the call

for him and this operator has a foreign accent. Oh. So they're like, that's weird. Yeah, this Douglas was a substitute officer in Oakland, which is eight miles away. And Webb called to see if his name was on the national crime computer. And yeah, they told him that you're being sought for the crime, bro. Like, what the fuck?

So Webb wouldn't tell this guy where he was. And that was that. So it's interesting here. He did tell Douglas that what happened, though, in his version. He said, I woke up to find Anna dead on the kitchen floor. She was dead on December 16th. We were heavy drinking that night, the two of us. We were tying one on.

Woke up. She's dead on the kitchen floor. So I didn't know what to do. So I wrapped her up in a sheet. I dumped her out in a field. I didn't know what the hell's going on here. So I took off. Huh.

Okay. Bad story. This cop doesn't tell everyone else about it for 11 days. What? Yeah, 11 days. This is good policing here. Fantastic. The sheriff in the next town says police officers

are tough to catch he knows all of our moves yeah yeah also january 20th his car is found at the houston international airport where he had purchased an airline ticket to belize yeah in central america um and someone had gotten on the plane using that ticket. His car was found. His original car was found at a car dealership called Jalopy John's Used Cars. Yeah. He had a 71 Mercury Cougar that this guy bought from Webb. Cool car. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And he traded that in for some other car, another car that's the one they found at the airport.

Okay. So people are freaking out in this town by the way i bet neighbor says quote it makes you feel a little scared when you hear about this person you trust for the town's well-being it's a small community and you don't expect something like this the mayor said the town is as safe as ever he said she said don't worry everybody everything's fucking fine it's all good uh but one neighbor said i think people around her here are afraid he'll be back to kill everyone what would make you feel like that 700 people that's a lot of people to kill it's yeah we're gonna kill all

of them uh one says quote a lot of people say he was a green beret commando type guy but he was probably one of the best police chiefs this town's had. I was probably closer to him than anybody in the town of Lyons. This is some guy here. But our conversations were strictly business. He's going to have shoe polish camouflage coming out from under your bed. Snap your neck in the middle of the night. Yeah, he's going to be like Willem Dafoe in Platoon.

He's looking to go in the tunnels. Yeah, everybody. Months pass. Months pass. Months pass. And one waitress said, do you think the survivalists are hiding him somewhere? Because they know he's in, like, this militia thing. One guy said, hell no. Guy sitting at the counter here.

A retired farmer, quote, wearing a blue jumpsuit and a seed company hat. That's called overall. Yeah. That's why I said jumpsuit and a seed company hat that's called overall yeah that's why i said jumpsuit what are we talking he said quote nope i heard he was working at a pork factory in mexico but he had to move on but he had to move on you know why yeah why because the pig squealed on him i really hope she put ground-up glass in his food. I really do. Did he say that? He said that.

And the reporter said, Jesus Christ. Then another farmer said, I hope somebody shoots the son of a bitch before they can catch him. Okay. Here's another neighbor. I think he must have been with drugs or something. Or maybe Anna found him and the floozy together. Her name is just the floozy in this town. She doesn't even have a fucking name.

Poor thing. Who really knows what happened? You have to wonder what she and Webb talked about, one said. I can't see him. I can't see relating Catholic mysticism to AK-47 attack rifles. They had different interests. 1989 here by April. It's on unsolved mysteries they do it oh yeah robert stack unbelievable oh yeah it's one of them in the first season i believe really uh yeah and they're they have it on unsolved mysteries

and it's a big deal they they film something in the highway cafe in town they film the reenactments They filmed something in the highway cafe in town. They filmed the reenactments. So where the fuck did he go? Belize, at least. Well, we know he went to Belize, but he said he didn't stay there because, quote, they charge you a fortune twice as much as they do in the United States for a hotel. Sheets on the bed in my room look like they hadn't been changed in six months and there's no bathroom. OK.

So he left there. He took off here uh he ended up meeting a frenchman and they went with other europeans and took a bus to guatemala city what where they went to a bar where americans and europeans were welcomed he said there's one light bulb lighting up the stairs but it was a pretty good place good drinks nice band but then out of, guys in black suits come in carrying assault rifles. They were anti-terrorist police looking for rebels. Jesus Christ. Holy shit. So he goes to Costa Rica looking for work. He said he used buses to travel because they were cheap.

And he said there were hardly any jobs down there. It's weird. It's like, why else? Weird. It's so strange. It's like, I wondered why people kept coming here, and then I got down there. Well, there's no fucking jobs down here. Weird.

He said, and eventually you run out of money because you got to eat. So he took a bus through Mexico and crossed the border back in at Nogales and went to Tucson. Really? Then he moved to Florida for a construction job. Wow. That's what he moved to Florida for a construction job. Wow. That's what he meant to do. He said he was going to work six months and go back to Central America with some money, but then he met a woman named Pam Gilroy and fell in love and stayed.

God damn it. It's always a Pam. In Daytona Beach with Pam. Old Tammy in Daytona. Yep. He altered his birth certificate, changing Gregory John Webb to Gregory James Weber. Okay. Okay.

Got a Florida driver's license under his assumed new name. Wow. And he's a Florida construction worker now. Unbelievable. He said if anything came up with his social security numbers, if there was anything, he'd just leave and not come back to that job. So he stays there. He says, it's a good thing I met Pam.

But as a result of meeting her, it was just a matter of time before I got caught. Yeah. And she, by the way, has five kids, Pam, and knew he was a fugitive and didn't care. She knew? She knew. He said, I feared being caught all the time. I was even stopped by the police a few times he's there until 1994 years go by he marries by the way uh later on and everything marries this

pan this pam is a forgiving lady um he said he would scan the television guides for episodes of himself on crime shows yeah he said during a rerun he would leave town and visit an imaginary sick relative he said i would always square it away at work and square it away at home that way if nobody showed up i could come back and it was just like before that way if people saw him on the show and then cops came then he gets a tip the police get a tip here um a guy calls and it's a guy that he recognized as a construction worker he knew as jim weber so it looked a lot like him except this guy has a beard and longer hair the guy i know but still so he said yeah i then he so he called the police sure and this krieger who's the cop who

doesn't buy any web shit he said he asked the one guy i asked him what kind of boots he wore and what he drank, which is a very smart move. Yeah. He knows he's specific to some boots, combat type shit, and he knows what he drinks. Is that your guy? And he said, quote,

I knew Webb would be wearing the military style boots. You bet. So they went to Florida. They contact his latest employer. The employer summons him to the company office and the FBI and local police

come in here um the krieger guy said they asked me how i wanted it to go and i said all i wanted to do was put the cuffs on him so a local cop had to actually put the cuffs on him and then krieger could take the custody that's just the rules around there krieger said he walked into the office and said hi greg remember me how you doing and webb turned to him and said quote what took you so long i've had to raise five kids you son of a bitch oh my god jesus christ on the way home they talked about where he'd been and all this shit he was telling me that at one point they were in a canoe in Central America and he had to bail water out of a canoe. And, you know, holy shit.

Almost died several times. That's what he said. February 1993 is that's when all that happened. About 8 a.m. He goes to court charged with first degree murder, but they plead with him. They let him plead. They let him do a plea deal because they have they don't have any't have any evidence other than blood and what he said to that other guy. But that's who knows.

So they charge him. They let him plead down to a charge of manslaughter and tampering with a body, tampering with evidence. So before his sentencing, he does an interview, Webb does. And he says, I have no criminal history. I wasn't out robbing banks in Florida or anything. He said, I should be fine. Yeah. Why'd you do this? Then they said, why did it take them six years to track you down?

And he said, quote, these guys are so stupid. They had my airline tickets. They knew I was on a plane and went to Belize. And they never sent any warrants down there. And they never told the people in Central America about me. They're just like, well, he's gone. So the judge gives him you, sir. May fuck off.

He is sentenced to between between eight years and four months and 19 years somewhere in there. Wow. Yep. He'll be eligible for parole in 35 months. Less than three years. My God. Less than three years. Oh my God. Less than three years. He said, joking around as they took him from court, quote, I'll probably meet some new and exciting people in there.

Laughing. I'll bet. And his lawyer said the fact that he's eligible for parole in little under three years is a pretty good result. The best, maybe. Oh, yeah. And he's six foot seven, so he's going gonna do fine in fucking jail he's gonna be in pc because he was a cop anyway right he's an ex-cop he's an ex-cop who murdered and is gonna get out mad early they are not gonna like him no well august of 2002 he gets out so they keep him

for almost eight years yeah yeah like well he had to do eight years and four months i guess but then there was they got him they got him on the made him they made him do the minimum rather than his parole dates which is good because he fucking ran away so nowadays he's a retiree in florida get the fuck out of here absolutely this this magazine called him up and he did an interview he said he answers his phone and uh he said quote my lawyer never wanted my lawyer wanted to go to trial he thought we had viable alternative suspects when i asked him if he would win he said well we never know how it'll go with a jury so he said he took the deal to not roll the dice with the jury they were going to try to say that this was some either one of his ex-girlfriends or one of her ex-boyfriends broke in and did this while he was sleeping his story is interesting here so a wild one yeah it's it's

pretty wild now they said they don't believe any of what he said the krieger guy the cop he says cleaning the body disposing of the clothes dumping the body in the middle of nowhere a regular person wouldn't think of those things right he knew what knew what he was doing. It's very calculated. Webb says, quote, we had been drinking a lot that night. I woke up to the sound of two gunshots.

I was still drunk when I found her body. And by the way, her, Anna's autopsy revealed her blood alcohol level was like over twice the legal limit,

which was.10, so.20 and over. Very drunk. They were drinking. I mean, they were hanging out at home. He claims that fearing he'd be blamed for the death, because it's obviously he's a cop, he'd blame him. He took her body into the bathroom to clean it, get all the forensic evidence off, then wrapped it in a sheet, carried it down the stairs, placed it in the trunk of his personal car, and drove away.

As it got light out, he noticed he had some blood on his face when he looked in the rearview mirror he had planned to dump the body on the side on the iowa side of the missouri river so they wouldn't suspect him but when he saw the blood he changed his plans he said i saw this old gravel dirt road went down it he threw the gun in the missouri river why would he throw the gun if he didn't why would you do that yeah exactly how would he know what caliber it was to throw away and why would you even touch it that's what i mean freak out and hit her cane in an abandoned farm building krieger says horseshit he said quote it's an unmaintained road you don't just drive down it on a whim you have to know how to dispose of a body and that was a good area to do it yep yep he said i needed to get them then he said he was

gonna go back and get it because he thought he fucked up he said i needed to get the body and bring it back and get things straightened out he was gonna go get it and bring it back and go sorry i have the body i planned to call the sheriff and we go from there but i couldn't find the body i drove all over looking for the body i realized i was totally screwed no matter what happened holy shit jesus christ then they said you know are you are you upset you ran away he said i had at least i had six more years of freedom than i might have otherwise had wow man yep he says one of the things i want people to know is that i quit drinking after all that of course getting arrested kind of led to it

that's what he said oh in prison mad dog did this holy shit man um that's ridiculous um krieger said he was a law enforcement agent he knew better he should have been sent to prison for murder because i still believe he planned it yeah yeah um he also one guy the the next sheriff over said quote if webb did it I think it was because he blacked out from drinking. Fascinating. Yep. They said that's what happened. He remembers.

Last thing he remembers, passing out in bed. He said, I was pretty dang drunk at that time. When you have to make those hard decisions like that when you're intoxicated, you don't have a chance. Yep. So that's what happened here. When you have to dispose of a body when you're a ham dog that's a bad time for that maybe don't kill people and you don't have to do that he says after all these years he believes that it's his former girlfriend who wandered into

the apartment and fought with anton and killed her in a jealous rage he said uh in a way i'm glad i got caught because now i'm aware there's a good chance I didn't do this. Inside, I'm much happier. Like, not in prison, in his thing. Maybe he's right. They said, do you have any remorse? And he said, I don't believe I killed her. Oh, I don't believe. Interesting.

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