Small Town Murder - #430 - Naked Aggression & Vicious Violence - Paducah, Kentucky

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

This week, in Paducah, Kentucky, a wild affair turns into an even wilder relationship, with countless stories of strange behavior, including drunkenly running around an RV park, while naked, then attacking the responding cop with a steel rod, and stabbings that almost cause death. This leads to a terribly bloody murder, with neighbors standing by, listening, and an excuse that doesn't quite hold water!Along the way, we find out that Paducah is apparently full of aggressive ghosts, that the best way to start a relationship maybe isn't having someone offer to sell you that person, and some judges may not actually have a firm grasp of the law!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay and choo-choo! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman.

Thank you folks so much for joining us all aboard the murder train, everybody, pulling away from the station with a very weird, wild case of just two people who, man, they almost would have been better off almost if you put these two in like a UFC ring and let them fight it out or something because it was insane what ended up going on here. We'll talk all about that very quickly, get to that.

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dive right into this bad boy i think it's time do it. I think it's time to clear the lungs, everybody. Let's do this and sit back, arms to the sky, and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. What do you say? Yeah. Let's go on a trip, everybody. Yes, we should. We are going on down to Kentucky this week.

Yes, look at that kentucky haven't been there in a little while here we're going to paducah kentucky oh really old paducah that's right uh this isn't far why do i know all about paducah what is i don't know it's one of those words you hear about it's almost like that's like a throwaway thing like from paducah yeah what do you from the turnip truck from paducah or like that's like a throwaway thing. What are you, from Paducah? Yeah, what are you, from the turnip truck from Paducah or something? It's like when you think of like middle of nowhere or whatever, Paducah is what comes up. I think it's just. It sounds bad, and it probably is.

It's a weird little place here. We'll talk about it. It's in far western Kentucky, all the way, trying to escape. Where Kentucky comes where there's like a bunch of different states that border Kentucky in that Western part over there. You wouldn't think Illinois is connected to Kentucky, but it is. And it's right across from here. So,

uh, it's about three hours and 15 minutes to Louisville, about two hours and 10 minutes to Nashville the other way. So that's how that works. It's in McCracken County, McCracken County, old SNL shit there. Population 26,248. So, uh, mccracken county yeah mccracken county from the old snl shit there population 26 248 so a decent sized town not too small median household income here much lower than the national average 42

thousand twenty four dollars oh median median home price also low though median home price hundred and sixty three thousand two hundred dollars It's about half the national average, so not too shabby. The history of this town here, Paducah was settled as Peckin, P-E-K-I-N. Okay. Peckin, around 1821. I don't know why he called it Peckin. Is there a Peckinpah? All this feels real fucking familiar.

It feels familiar. It was laid out by William Clark, actually. Okay. Yeah, really? From Lewis and Clark, yeah. And it was renamed Paducah after that. The local lore connected the name to the Chickasaw chief Paduc, and they called his people the Paducas because he was the chief. But authorities on the Chickasaw have since said that there was never any chief of that tribe with that name or anything even close to it.

And the Chickasaw language does not have related words. There's nothing in Paducah there. So they believe that the Clark named the town for the Comanche people of the Western Plains, they said, because that makes sense there. western plains they said because that makes sense there apparently there were known uh regional settlers as the paducas from a spanish transliteration of the caw word paducah i don't know what any of that means but okay there you go in 1937 the ohio river flooded horribly here rose 50 feet above its flood stage oh my crest my. Cresting at 60 feet, 8 inches. That's too much, right? Too much.

A lot. Very bad. And receded again to 50 feet. And then for nearly three weeks, 27,000 residents were forced to flee or stay with friends or relatives and on higher ground, basically. That is fucking wild. In one time here, 18 inches of rain fell in 16 days jesus wow along with sheets of swiftly moving ice the ohio river flood of 1937 was the worst

natural disaster in paducah's history and elsewhere in the ohio valley the earthen levy was ineffective against the flood so congress authorized the united states army corps of engineers to build a flood wall, and that's why you still have a city, because they built that. Reviews of this town, five stars. Okay. These range in a lot of positive and a lot of negative. People have strong opinions. I've lived in Paducah my entire life. The biggest attraction to the city is our quilting.

Yes, you heard that right, our quilting. That's the biggest attraction to the city is our quilting yes you heard that right our quilting that's the biggest attraction biggest one they have the quilting museum is here the national paducah also lies in the ohio river with a beautiful riverfront however there isn't many activities to do around here i do love it though that's nice um here's three stars it's a nice town that is larger than you'd think which is exactly what I thought when I saw that 26,000 people. There's also a great fishing in the Ohio River, which separates Kentucky and the North. Thank you, Nathan Bedford Forrest, for your review. That was terrific.

From the North. Jesus Christ. That's our secession line. Oh the north. Jesus Christ. That's our secession line. Oh, man. Three stars. People here are not very welcoming. Well, no. They call the rest of the country the north.

So that's why. If you're an outsider, you're not going to make it. You covet the water that separates you from the rest. Yeah. What do you expect? If you're an outsider, you're not going to make it. You're not going to make it. Not even drop dead. You're not even going to like it. You won't make it long enough to like it. You won't make it.

You're just not going to make it. We're looking to move in the next year. Okay. One star. Most food places here are bad, and the mall really sucks with not many options. Oh, not a shit mall. Jeez. Thousands of Dollar Trees slash Dollar Generals.

School's not bad. Everyone's racist. Everyone's rude. Drug problems. You'd think downtown would be fun, but like two things to do. Barbecue on the river and quilt museum. Those are different things, too. Those are very different.

Two different people coming to both. You can't eat barbecue while you quilt. You'll ruin your quilt. Downtown is so sketchy that it's creepy at night. Can't wait to move. Okay. Okay. Here is a one star that's longer than I would normally read on an express, but fuck is it worth it. Okay. Okay. Here is a one star that's longer than I would normally read on an express, but fuck is it worth it?

Okay. Okay. My mother Claudine and I lived in Paducah for about 25 years, and I am telling you that this place is ghastly. Ghastly. Ghastly. It hasn't gotten fun yet. Trust me. I firmly believe that our house was haunted.

It is one star for the town for this. It is said that the neighborhood was built on an old burial ground well that's not right doors would shut on their own windows would literally open themselves and i have seen faint wispy like figures create moving shadows when nothing else was there what the fuck i would wake up to hearing crying and screaming my mother is likewise a witness. I was once skeptical about paranormal things, but living in Paducah has entirely changed my perspective on the matter. Unexplainable things happened in this house. For instance, when I was pregnant with my first son, I was sitting on the porch when a car with 666 in the license plate passed by.

Later that day, I miscarried oh my god satan drove by and just did a little zappy zap out the window with his finger and was like not so fast mama and satan does drive-bys around here you guys well he's busy that's the problem when you're so busy all you can do is you got time to individually stop at everybody's house was he the fucking maytag man he's satan he's got shit to do satan's hitting drive light drive by is like like boys in the hood yeah i share this painful experience for i would like to spread the truth about this wretched town evil lurks in this town do not visit do not move here current residents get out while you still can exclamation point do you see why we went a little farther with that Do not move here. Current residents, get out while you still can! Exclamation point.

Do you see why we went a little farther with that than normal? She's really wonderful. That's amazing. And then so we'll do things to do extremely quickly here. We have the CC River Folk Fest. Oh. That's Calvert City is what CC stands for. And it says, CC River Folk Fest is a beloved family-friendly music festival in Kentucky

that offers a foot-stomping good time for all ages. Oh, boy. In the dirt. Oh, yeah. The musical lineup here is Kentucky Just Us. Nope. Just Us. Just Us.

Just Us. Wheelhouse Rousters. Never heard of you. And, like rascals but with a G, the Grascals. I hope that's a family named Grascal. I really do. That's just two of Rascal Flats. That's two of them.

Yeah, it's half of them. They have the Fun Dog Show Off at 10 a.m. Just show your dog off because it's fun. There he is. A magic show at 11. Six hours of inflatables and then a six-hour bluegrass concert with all those different bands. With the Graskles. Graskles.

And quickly, an event called Touchdown and Tunes. Touchdowns and Tunes. Three days of live music, premium food vendors, cold drinks, and televised football games. Oh! They have concerts that stop for the football game and you watch the game and then you turn the other direction and you watch uh fucking um what's left literally what's left of leonard skinner play because that's what's there that's who's there leonard skinner is uh terrific and brantley gilbert whoever that is. Oh, God, I hate him. So there's that.

And then also, who else? Blind Fate. Not Blind Faith, the band from the 60s. Blind Fate here. And the Carrie Lynch Band, which is a very blonde woman. I don't know. That said, you knew that, but I didn't have to tell you. Let's talk about a murder.

What do you say? All right. Okay, let Let's talk about a murder. What do you say? All right. Okay. Let's start out with a guy. Everyone involved is an interesting character here in this one. And wow. Michael Lewis Taylor, let's talk about first. Okay.

He's born in 1953. He's a truck driver who lives in Benton, Kentucky. Yeah. Drives like long haul shit over the road. He's doing it. He's a truck driver who lives in Benton, Kentucky. Yeah. Drives like long haul shit over the road. He's doing it. He's doing it. So he's doing all this. He's married to a woman named Sharon Taylor.

Yeah. They're married for about 25 years. Wow. But during this time, he's had several known affairs over the time. Yeah. I mean, he's a trucker. He's going out there. It's gross. I mean, he's a trucker. He's going out there. It's gross.

I mean, listen, I'm away from home a while. Yeah, exactly. I'm out there on the road. What do you want? So one of the affairs is with a woman named Connie Morgan. Connie's born in 1965, so about 12 years younger than him, I suppose. And wow, what a fucking mess this is. Okay.

The way they met is Michael met Connie when Michael and his truck driving capacity was on a trip in North Carolina in May of 2022 or May of 2002. I apologize that Connie Morgan's boyfriend tried to talk Michael into having sex with Connie for $40. Her boyfriend is pimping her out for 40 bucks at truck stops. Yeah. Yeah. Lovely. Yeah. Lot lizard style is what they're doing here. So that's how they met.

Solid foundation for any good relationship. Knock on your truck door. Yeah, yeah. You look out your window. What do you think of this right here, huh? You like the tits on it? Is this worth 40 to you? What do you think?

You and the freight liner. He started with 50. Come on. He goes, 50 bucks. And he's like, no, I'm okay, man. He rolls his window. He's like, $40. Hey, $40.

$40. Look at this. She's a piece of ass, this one. Yeah. Well, if it's on sale, I mean, shit. I can't really turn that down. It's a discount. That's 20%.

Yeah, that's a good price right there. That ain't bad. That's better than a veteran's discount, I'll tell you what don't get 20 off lot blow jobs very often usually they're at full price so this is a this is a thing that's a damn good deal but michael said no i don't want to do that at all i'm good this is you know whatever and the guy was like yeah this is my girlfriend so she's not just some like you know she's not just some diseased prostitute or whether she's my girlfriend. So I know everything's good. And he's like, you're pimping your girlfriend.

Yeah, that's weird. So rather than buy her, he ends up offering her a ride with him because he's on his way to Florida. And she said she wanted to get away from her boyfriend. Wonder why? Weird. Yeah. Really? He's trying to pimp you in a north carolina truck stop parking lot for 40 that you're not happy he's gonna spend on crank i'm sure so weird you

florida huh well i mean hey what the hell yeah you can't judge other people's happiness i mean maybe you're not happy it sounds great to me but you know she wants to get away so he takes her to florida and drops her off down there okay yeah you'd think that'd be the end of the relationship generally you don't get swap email addresses with that one they did they must have swapped i mean this is 2002 that he she was like blah blah blah at earthlink.net yeah and he was like at hotmail.com and that was verizon.com they swapped it up man and after that few weeks later they began seeing each other really like on an exclusive basis not just like hanging out they were like an item boyfriend girlfriend in florida or just back no no in kentucky in kentucky oh yeah she came back up she made her way to paducah

she doesn't tibetan where he lives she doesn't she's originally she's from sparta north carolina that's where she was when he picked her up and she doesn't really have a lot of ties to shit as we'll find out you will understand why people who know her probably burned that bridge a long time ago because at this point we're thinking of her as this like you know shrinking flower but um she is aggressive as we'll talk about um big time yeah she also has a very troubled childhood as well um she was raised in foster care which is never great especially back then when there was way less like standards and regulation and you know inspections and right and and checkups yeah revisits they just visit you once and go yeah that's a house yeah they got a

house what toilets are flushing they got food in the fridge leave drop the kids off there we go kids this way put the kids in there start sending the checks to these people but uh she claims to not only Michael, but others that she killed her foster father. Wow. She claims to have, as a young girl, you know, a pre, like an adolescent child, killed her foster father. Kiss me. Yeah, that's hot. Wow. She's a father killing motherfucker, boy, I'll tell you what.

Instead of motherfucker, father killer. So she also claims and we don't know how true this is, but I feel like she has no real reason to lie about it. She also claims to Michael and others that she has previously killed a woman in South Carolina as well. woman in South Carolina as well. Yeah. Come on over. Wow. So I meet you at the truck stop where you've made the decision to be in a relationship with this lunatic who wants to sell you for $40 and God knows who knows if she was being held against her will

or whatever. We don't know what's going on. But then get to know you a little more and you're telling me you have two murders under your belt. Let me show you where I sleep. Come on over. Yeah. Would you like the combination to my safe? Here's where I keep my knives.

I'd like you to know where I'm the most vulnerable at all times. I'm a heavy sleeper. You see me sleeping on my right side, you could stab me in the ear. I'm good till morn. You put the tip of the knife in my ear and just lean on it until it goes straight through my head, and I ain't going to wake up. I'll tell you something. I'm not trying to give you no ideas or nothing, but that's possible.

But as soon as that sun peeks through the window, I'm awake. I'll pop right up. I better be dead by morning. Get her done fast. Your ass is grass, baby. So she claims to have two murders under her belt. Maybe. So she claims to have two murders under her belt.

He characterizes and not only he, others character, including the local police and neighbors and everything else, characterize Connie Morgan's behavior as bizarre. OK, he says she has some mental problems and it's clear from her behavior that she has some mental problems. Obviously, she wasn't if she killed her foster father. Couldn't have been a good environment. can't imagine yeah that seems bad and uh wow uh she also she has a lot of uh marks on her arm from attempted suicides in the past as well which i as a teenager if you were going through something that would make you kill your foster father you probably generally have some issues there yeah sure their relationship is really weird and apparently at first it's fine everything is all fucking candy and flowers and champagne fine everything's fine can you picture him jimmy five star meals yeah sitting in the in the cab of the truck popping another bottle

popping another bottle of dom no they broke up him and his wife broke up but they're still married they're still married but 25 years you don't just get a divorce you just leave and then yeah we'll figure it out later around each other actually she would like to get their friends by the way the michael and his ex-wife they still talk and everything like that but she hasn't been able to get a hold of him to serve him with the divorce papers because he's always on the road so she has a hard time finding him when he's around and shit like that apparently connie pissed off uh michael big time when she started preventing him from contacting his children yeah that's gonna be a problem yeah she would screen his phone calls like if his phone would ring she would grab it what and decide whether he could take it or not i met you at a fucking loves what

are we talking about it was they should that's why they call it loves because that's what goes on in the parking lot that's the reason why it's called that so and then on other occasions on more than one occasion she would hide his phone as well. Just hide it on him. So he couldn't do anything. You know what I mean? So not only that, when he would get upset with behaviors like screening his phone calls, not allowing him to speak to his children and hiding his phone, she said, well, that's fine and all. You can leave me.

Obviously, that's up to you you're an adult but if you do i will kill you and your entire family so just so you know i'll kill you your ex-wife all your children i'll find your mom i'll kill her i'll kill everybody with your dna essentially oh dear god anyone who looks slightly like you's dying basically he showed this woman where he lives if you have like a cousin in west virginia i'm going after him i'll find him yeah i can beware so that's what she said but who knows she's also drinks a lot and acts way crazier when she's drinking so we don't know if this is just a drunken rant weird right right when you mix mental illness with alcoholism it's strange that that would come out to be a weird bad cocktail right you don't expect that you put that you feed that into the machine and out comes crazy really you'd expect those two

to go together like chocolate and peanut butter but they don't seem to for some reason yeah wow so that's that's kind of what's happening at this at this point and what's in time here also there's one particular event well there's a few we'll go over but one particular event that particularly scared michael yeah and that was one night he awoke to find that i don't know he must be a hard sleeper plus they both drink so that's the other thing but he awoke to find that his hands were bound together. Oh, yeah. She had tied him up and cut off his hair.

Oh, what? Just took his her hand with scissors and cut off his fucking. So his hair was all different lengths and crazy. And she just cut off all his hair and was like, yeah, you like that? So he was like, what the fuck? Yeah. so he was like what the fuck yeah so if that wasn't crazy enough she then proceeded to pull a knife out when he protested that he why am i is my hair cutting i'm tied up and then she went and stabbed him in the chest and in the end in the ass what started hacking him up chest and ass

until he passed out from blood loss oh my god yeah passed out from blood loss while he's tied up while he's tied up he's tied up bleeding passed out from blood loss eventually somebody called the ambulance and he got went to the hospital and he didn't bleed to death lucky he survived that he survived that that's not the murder that's not the murder stabbed him in the chest and the ass while he's tying up with his haircut like she got the bulldog

not in the asshole just like she was just hacking at him he's not going to sit down comfortably anymore so wow after all this happens he lies to the hospital about what happened and all this type of shit so she doesn't what do you say then he says that he tells her that he wants her to see a psychologist

that's a minimum a psychologist i'd love that too in another fucking world psychologist a psychiatrist bring a priest in just for good measure. You never know. Probably a probation officer. A probation officer. Yeah, maybe like an FBI profiler. We'll get a judge in here. Let's just bring everybody. Someone who's really good with transmissions. Let's bring a good transmission guy in here.

I don't know why he's going to help, but I feel like he is. Who's the best muffler guy in the county? Yeah. Everything. Any person that claims to be a specialist in fucking anything i don't care bring in a roofer just anybody we can talk to this guy maybe it'll help talk to this woman maybe it'll help so he says that he's not going to leave her because he's still very much in love with her oh my god he just needs her to see somebody wow it's james it's confirmed constantly i know crazy

i know how crazy fucks so good oh it fucks great especially drunk crazy drunk crazy is the best that'll fuck the best but usually you you yeah in those relationships you push them you know you know when you're pushing the envelope you know when you're when you're veering on the edge of teetering over it's generally when your hands are freezing cold because you don't have any blood going through she was nice enough to give you a very clear sign of when it's time when the balance between crazy fuck and just a crazy fuck go out of whack. Yeah. And you didn't take the hit. It's a lack of consciousness due to not enough blood in the system.

She tried to climb on him, and he's like, I can't get hard. I have no blood. I don't have enough blood to keep my hands warm. Forget that hard. Or my eyes open, for that matter. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part

true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing.

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you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app or on apple podcasts so he merely suggested he didn't say i'm breaking up with you he said i'm very much in love with you please see somebody for get some help she overdosed on pills because she was so distraught that he asked her to get help okay what kind of pills don't know not sure i'm sure whatever she anti-psychotics probably i picture her going in the medicine cabinet and just making a fucking cocktail out of whatever she could find just shooting whatever we've got yeah lithium great sure crush it up and snort it i don't give a shit there better be some anti-psychotics in that closet though wow so she overdoses on pills because she's mad that he wants her to see a shrink um

he calls 9-1-1 when she overdoses and she recovers. He saves her life. So they recover. A doctor at the hospital, after hearing about the course of events that have taken place leading to her overdosing on pills, wants to institutionalize her. Good call. Yeah. For at least a while, try to stabilize her or something. But she didn't want to. And he was saying everything's fine. So the hospital releases her to Michael's care.

There you go. Can they do that? I guess they can. I guess so. It's also Kentucky. I don't know if the rules are different there. I don't know. I don't know what kind of hospital situation they have.

Who knows, man? It feels like if she's a danger to others, then that's the most important. She's been stabbing people. Now she's a danger to others then that's like the most important she's been stabbing people now she's a danger to others and herself she OD'd on pills after she tried to kill a guy and all he nearly said was maybe you need help and she was like no all he did was fall asleep yeah that's what I mean now at the same time he does say a lot that when she's not drinking, she is not nearly as crazy as when she's drinking, which is a lot of people. They turn into different people when they drink.

And that's also part of it. But a lot of times when she's not drinking and, and as fine, he says, she's a sweetest person in the world. She's a sweet person. She's got an alcohol problem, obviously.

And yeah, he kind of feels bad for her because she's a sweet person inside she's been through a lot and he you know she was being pimped out by her boyfriend she's in foster care she's had a bad you know a tough run of it i'm sure so you know he doesn't want to be another person to shit on her which is i would feel bad too it's terrible so then more strange behavior surfaces though um very strange uh called bizarre and court documents for example one time they went to the couple together went to north return from north carolina where in north carolina she don't know how she got it stole bought cajoled somehow

ended up with the cdl license of a of a female trucker named eva chapelle she was like i'm gonna drive trucks too and then he was like that's not you though and that's okay she was just gonna yeah um and another time during that when they got back, Morgan got really drunk here, Connie. She gets super shit-faced, strips off all her clothes, and runs around an RV park. Just runs around dancing and yelling and going crazy with no clothes on. That's every night, though. An RV park. Yeah, that is.

If it's a trailer park, that's one thing. But if it's a place where people travel to, you know what I mean? There's a difference between trailer park and RV park too. Oh, yeah. Big trailer park people live in. RV park. Right. Stop in.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a stopover. Yeah. She just ran around naked around this like some sort of, you know, I mean like a very nice person obviously but also a disturbed person, you know, as appreciative as I am. Let's stop. So that evening ended when the police were eventually called to stop this naked woman from running around like she's at fucking Woodstock traipsing around naked.

And when the cop came to tell her to please put some clothes on and refrain from, you know, showing your tits to the children. Yeah. She responded by attempting to hit him with a metal rod. put some clothes on and refrain from you know showing your tits to the children yeah she responded by attempting to hit him with a metal rod imagine a nude crazy woman trying to swing a metal rod at you outside in public this this is why we watch live pd this is exactly the thing you're watching for and uh she was arrested for disorderly conduct which she's lucky she only got arrested for disorderly conduct assault on a police officer that's a lot of different things she was so drunk that it was like the cop was knew that i don't know she he was like i don't even know if she knew she was doing it or not she was so drunk so apparently at this point and only

this point now michael said i think it's maybe time to call this a day maybe we're not so great together but then she injured her leg somehow and so he decided to stay in and help her out he said well i'll stay if you injured your leg that's fine so um and he said everybody says he she only does this crazy shit when she's drunk that's it yeah normal and then when she drinks she goes from i'm normal to i am stark raving mad and like that it just it's a turn flips a switch in her brain she can't shouldn't drink obviously at all yeah so then there's other times uh one time there's a woman named deborah hodges hodges had accompanied connie morgan and mich Michael on a team drive. Oh.

I don't know why they do a team. I guess so you can drive more. You can switch drivers. Yeah, you switch drivers and you can go further distance faster. Yeah, you don't have to stop for the night. I guess as they made a trucking trip, Hodges said that on one occasion, Connie, who had been drinking,

pulled a knife on Michael in front of this Deborah woman. Imagine you're with some couple and she's all drunk and I'll fucking cut you. Can I get out of the truck please? He was lying on his back and she pulled a knife on him in the back of the cab there.

I guess they were fighting and this woman says that Connie was fighting with Michael and with the knife kept him on his back for 45 minutes while she brandished the knife the entire time. And this lady's got to drive through this. This is wild.

So she also said that that same night, a little while later, Connie threatened her with the knife too. Oh, God. So she's now threatened to kill two people with a knife and held one at bay for 45 minutes. There's another incident at the local Walmart. Obviously. In Benton.

Where Sharon, his sort of ex-wife, I guess, whatever, his Kentucky ex, we'll call her for now, their Paducah ex over here. His Kentucky wife, but every 40, all the other 49 states, it's caller for now yeah they're uh paducah x over here his his kentucky wife but i should say every 40 all the other 49 states it's it's connie it's still yeah it's definitely going to be her so sharon runs into them as a couple connie and michael at the local walmart

okay that seems normal i guess sharon I guess Sharon walked up to them in a local Walmart when she approached them Michael pretended not to know her why would he do that he was like I don't know what you're talking about and just started walking away and Connie's like who's that and he's like beats the shit out of me

must have the wrong person anyway let's go get fucking tires like he was just pretends he didn't know subway on the way out his wife of 25 years it's not even like some broadie went out with a few times and knocked up and now she's like hey remember me motherfucker he's like i don't know they were married for 25 years century they have multiple children together these people oh boy that's a great lie he said that he did that because he wanted to protect sharon from

connie because he was afraid that if this woman come up i'm his wife connie would fucking stab her in the walmart so so she doesn't know yeah yeah she didn't know that that was her he she knows that he's got a wife or an ex-wife but if they ran into each other god knows what she would do she's unpredictable at best, I would say. Unpredictable is an understatement for this. She is very interesting, this woman. Yeah. Now, Sharon just had been trying to get a hold of him for a long time to serve divorce papers on him,

and this running into him at Walmart was the first contact she had with him in several months. So she was like, oh, she wanted to talk to him about giving him the divorce papers because they both wanted a divorce um but it didn't work out because he just walked away like he didn't know her and she was like come back and he's like i don't know you and they just kept going wow weird so four weeks later after the walmart incident connie calls sharon on the phone apparently shit-faced from the way oh yeah sharon describes it because she said she couldn't even understand connie very well she was like what what are you talking about what and i guess connie wanted to meet her someplace me you're gonna meet me someplace and she was like it's all she could make out was she wanted to meet her someplace and she's like what and sharon said she wasn't

gonna meet with her god she told her i'm gonna fucking meet i don't know you i don't need to meet with you you're with my ex-husband go have fun fuck off and you're not in a situation clearly where you're capable of driving no obviously not so let's meet and when sharon said i won't meet with you i'm not going to do that that's when connie made a an angry derogatory statement and hung up fucking bitch and hung up on her so she said she didn't feel threatened by it but she felt like it was definitely weird she didn't make any threat she didn't say i'll kill you or anything like that but she said it was definitely strange a strange occurrence so this leads up to august 3rd 2002 terrific they're at the fern lake campground here and this is connie and michael sharon's not to be seen she's doing her own thing yeah

fern lake campground and the two of them have been at this campground in an rv for about two weeks hell yeah that's a long two weeks in an rv is not a hell yeah of a situation i just mean i don't want to live in a truck for two weeks that's not that's gonna make that's gonna make the most arguments they're certainly they're certainly about to bubble over yeah yeah you're living in a box of the motor yeah it's got it's coming hell yeah it's coming yeah when you have to empty the old poop hatch that's going to cause trouble uh multiple times already they've they've they've oh yeah they've filled and refilled several times they've filled and refilled he has emptied that and then refilled it and now he's emptied it one too many

times and now let's have a chat he's like listen i can't will you stop shitting it's enough already after two weeks you would be yelling at people to stop shitting just in the woods for christ's sake shit in the river what's wrong with you every time i have to go out there and open a hatch this is ridiculous damn it jesus christ what the fuck are you eating to it i've hooked up the hose so many times. So I'm just leaving it hooked up for now. I don't even care no more. We'll just shit directly through the hose into the ground at this point.

Run the hose out into the woods. What happens happens. That's how it goes there. So this day there have been there for about two weeks. Several people this day on August 3rd. Several of the fellow rvers yeah observe connie running and screaming from an rv ah it's bloody murder screaming in which she this is the rv that they were staying and she wasn't running from someone else's rv that would make more sense

um they describe her at the time as wearing only a bathrobe, which in an RV park, that's overdressed for her. They're lucky. That's lucky. That shuts off. That's what she was wearing at that point. So she's wearing just a bathrobe apparently. And the witnesses all say that Connie fell on the ground once outside the RV

and that she was bleeding from her face. Oh, she's on the ground bleeding outside the RV and that she was bleeding from her face. Oh, she's on the ground bleeding from her face. She screamed to these witnesses who are right fucking there. She screamed, quote, please help me. Don't let him kill me. OK, which at that point, you should help a person. Yeah, I'm all for minding my own business. Like I said, you know that.

But please help me. Don't let him kill me. help a person yeah i'm all for minding my own business like i said you know that but please help me don't let him kill me right i'm going over there and trying to get someone keep someone from dying probably you know what i mean maybe just walk her away from the situation i'm gonna go get her i'm gonna i'm gonna grab a big stick and walk over there and get ready to hit anybody that comes near as i try to help her to medical assistance. Because that sounds, that's terrifying. Don't let him kill me. Jesus Christ. That's, how do you walk away from that?

One of these witnesses, Doris Gilliam, called 911 right away. Okay. Which, I mean, that helps, I guess. But it's not going to help her in the moment. It'll help in the aftermath. Sure, sure. Then Michael pops out of the RV door. Okay.

Um, then Michael pops out of the RV door and he, uh, walked down and they describe him slowly picking Morgan up Connie and carrying her into the RV. Oh my. As she again screams, please don't let him kill me. She's bleeding from a head wound and we'll find out it's a very bad wound in the head bleeding from a head wound with a man carrying her off saying please don't let him kill me and these people just watch yeah do something throw your coffee cup at him do something i don't care if you can't you know get eight of you and go over there and fucking try to kick his ass i don't know stay away from each other until the police are on their way man yeah if the yeah if someone's carrying a woman away and she's screaming please don't let him kill me i'm gonna go hit him in the back of the head with something i assume that she needs help at

that point kill kill has entered into this equation you can't take that you know that's i can't fix that later right so this woman said the doris g Gillum said, rather than help, which I guess she might be an older woman or something, I don't know. But rather than help, she asked Michael, what are you doing and where are you taking her? I mean, she just told us. She just said, I'm taking her to kill her because I'm going to kill her, basically, is what he would have said. He said nothing and kept walking, which is even more, now I know now i know he's gonna kill her right that's menacing as fuck if he said nothing she's you know got mental problem even then i wouldn't believe i'd still call 9-1-1 but i either be mitigation there at least he was just like fucking and walked away like i'm getting my

golf clubs and whacking this guy in the back of the skull at this point. Like, right. Isn't anybody. Fuck. So then these people all describe. They go inside, close the door, and the RV begins rocking back and forth. Oh, wow. Like a fucking brawl is going on. Yeah.

And they're just watching this. Oh, my God. How do you watch this? I don't understand how you watch this. This is like. like like a fucking brawl is going on in there yeah and they're just watching this oh my god how do you watch this i don't understand how you watch this this is like don't let him kill me now the rv is they're not fucking you guys yeah it's clear please don't let him kill me right is next fucking level so wow another witness here a guy named ed Gruber, saw the door of the RV open and described, now next, described what appeared to be Connie's arm or hand hanging out of the open doorway with Michael squatting over her. This looks good. This is going to go great.

Michael then exited the RV, but when he heard approaching sirens, he ran back inside. Oh, boy. The RV. When police arrived moments later, they found Michael out of breath with blood on his arms and ears and face and all over him. All over the place. Okay. He told the county sheriff's deputy, Jesse riddle that connie's dead he's like connie's dead so this guy went in he checked connie has no pulse and her face is covered with

a bloody towel what okay covered with a bloody towel this is this is very important in this case psychologically i think anyway because the bloody towel usually you you cover people if you kill someone you love you tend to cover their body and kind of protect them if you kill someone and that covering up is a it's a weird dehumanization thing that's of the face just the face like that not in a protectionary care about the rest of it just I don't want to look at her face. Yeah, exactly. No pulse, covered in a bloody towel. So they bring him in, obviously. Michael, they'd like to have a chat with him.

I mean, what the fuck's going on here? He said, yes, I stabbed her in the throat and in the eye. Oh. But it was out of self-defense. Why? He said it was self-defense. He said he awoke to find Connie on top of him with a knife to his chest, which he's done before, even in front of other people. So that's possible. A struggle ensued, he said.

And he said that Connie, because he is bloody as well. He's got blood all over him. Not only her blood, his blood as well. Really? He's been stabbed in the sternum and in the abdomen as well. He's got blood all over him. Not only her blood, his blood as well. Really? He's been stabbed in the sternum and in the abdomen as well. Okay. So he's got two stab wounds as well to him. That's why he's out of breath, because he's been stabbed in the sternum.

Connie sustained a stab wound to the eye. When she ran out of that RV, she had been stabbed in the fucking eye. Wow. That's why she was bleeding from the face. She knew he was going to kill her, because she's had been stabbed in the fucking eye. Wow. That's why she was bleeding from the face. She knew he was going to kill her because she's already been stabbed in the fucking eye. In the fucking eye. Yeah. That's why you see a woman with a stabbed eye saying, please don't let him kill me.

Try to help a little bit. He's going to kill her. Yeah. Like I said, hit him with your coffee cup. I don't care. Something. Distract him. Maybe he'll go chase after you.

I don't know. Help her. So he had his chance to not. She got out. You had your. Crawling around. And it was done. Yeah. It was done.

Yep. He said that he stabbed her in the eye when she was on top of him stabbing him. And then she ran out of the RV. And he said he doesn't remember anything after that point okay which again that's that's a little shaky there dr deidre schluckelbeier that's her name schluckelbeier yeah wow um testified later on that the knife used to kill connie went through her lower jaw and into the base of her brain. That's how hard she was stabbed. My God, that's anger.

Wow. And that Morgan lost a significant amount of blood from that, obviously. Yeah. Also said that Connie had defensive wounds on her hands. Fighting it back, yeah. As well as several other knife wounds on her neck and face. Okay. knife wounds on her neck and face okay further they testified later that on the day she was killed she had no drugs and no alcohol in her system uh-oh none none and even he said she never

acts like that when she's not drunk so unless she's drunk she's great interesting so yeah more medical evidence here described this death. It's fucking bad here. They said that the knife used to kill her was still lodged deep in her vertebrae as the handle protruded from beneath her jaw. This was fucking brutal, man. This was this was bad. Not a good one. They said that also the evidence that they examined was consistent with uh with you know a murder basically not a you know that wasn't an accident obviously

so a news report comes out and this case by the way gets like no coverage there's very little on this case which i really shocking yeah he ruined a lot of people's vacation oh that that weekend was fucked that rv part can you imagine that is fuck people are packing up picking up their shit pipes and getting on to another place i'm never coming back here to never for weeks never just dump my shit for weeks the county deputies were called to the fern lake campground just uh around 1 15 a.m on on Sunday afternoon. It was a Sunday afternoon. Jesus Christ. That's where the afternoon. Yeah.

1.15. They found 50 year old Michael Taylor inside a camper with 38 year old Connie Morgan. Investigators say Morgan Morgan had been stabbed several times and died at the scene from blood loss. They said that it was determined that there had been some kind of fight between the male and the female subject. I would really think that's what the chief of police said thanks chief we couldn't have done this without you asshole you've got this job sir man really both of them full of stab wounds sternum eye jaw fucking that was a fight that wasn't an agreement? No, really? Wow, I thought this was an attempted double suicide. Really? You stab me, I stab you? No? What a dummy.

Wow. He said it did involve a knife, and he says that before Connie died, somehow got to campers for help. He said, evidently, Miss Morgan had exited the trailer, or exited the camper, from what we've been told, and had alerted some of the neighbors that there was a problem. And the call came in from somewhere other than where the problem was. So we arrested everyone else as accomplices. Just in case.

Because they did nothing. We brought him in. So, yeah, they said that Taylor is still in the hospital being treated for his injuries. Michael is. Once he's released, he'll go directly to the county jail to be held on a charge of murder. So the trial comes around. Okay. Now, they said his whole thing is that he said he's a victim of domestic violence. Yeah.

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We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on Max starting April 21st. Bye bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. But they said ample evidence showed that Connie sustained several defensive wounds to her hands and that immediately prior to her death, they helped. Obviously, she was pleading for her life. And they said that the chief medical examiner said it's not unusual for an assailant in a sharp force injury situation to have some wounds due to the nature of such an attack. an attack.

Um, they said they, uh, he presented, Michael presents evidence, um, and his own testimony and that of two other witnesses to show that Morgan was violent, all the stuff we just told you about.

And lots of people saw that stuff and that Michael was a victim of domestic violence at her hands. So, um, but the trial court determines from all the evidence that he's not a victim of domestic violence and can't use that. Really? That's what they said.

Now, first of all, stabbed in the ass. Oh yeah. Among other places. Yeah. Now her wounds, they presented a trial,

uh, describing her death here, talking about the knife being lodged in and everything like that. And they said that the evidence she examined was consistent with a struggle occurring and was consistent with the victim, never having sole possession of the knife. The evidence shows that they don't think she ever had sole possession of the knife. If anything, she might have grabbed it at some point, but didn't have the whole thing to herself. He stabbed her, killed her, stabbed himself.

Happens all the time, too. What a dick. What a dick. And in the abdomen is always where they do it yeah it looks the worst it looks terrible but it's not there's no organs there really unless he stabbed himself in the abdomen before did he stab himself in the ass no that i don't think so because otherwise other people have witnessed him yeah her i mean she was over him for holding him hostage for 45 minutes with a knife at one point in front of somebody.

So and then pulled a knife on her, too. But this event, it shows he did it to himself. That's what they think. Yeah. Wow. He played. Later on, they talk about different testimonies here. Dr. David West is a general surgeon who treated him the day of the murder, who testified in his

behalf that he received two stab wounds, one to the chest, one to the abdomen. And then they talked about the owner of the Fern Creek campground where he stayed. This guy, Don Vessels, is his name. Very vascular, Don Vessels. Don Vessels definitely sounds like a porn star, right? That's really gross. That's pretty gross. He said that Morgan, that he had heard, his testimony tended to show that Morgan was violent and aggressive and that she had a tendency to use knives in a threatening manner.

This man's known her for two weeks. Right. She rents a spot out in his fucking RV park and he knows that she's like, you know, we'll pull a knife on you with the quickness. They also bring in Dr. Henry Davis, a psychologist who was hired by Michael before his trial to conduct a psychological interview. He said that Michael was a victim of domestic violence based on the results of several personality tests and from the interview with him, results of several personality tests and from the interview with him, which we've had this in the past where that might be a self-reporting thing, which is not, which aren't the most accurate. That's how, that's what Amber Heard tried to put her person up. And then they brought another person up and not saying, I know what happened there. I'm just saying that was, that was the

most famous case of that, that I can think of where they had dueling psychologists saying that. And also, um, they said that, um that um uh that he was a victim of domestic violence he also said that connie only became violent after drinking which doesn't help him at all and um finally also there's lots of testimony about her prior violent attacks and everything else the judge is trying to decide whether to include or exclude the Walmart incident. Oh, OK. Because that's not really she didn't do anything. That's more like he was afraid. But that doesn't show her doing anything.

So, yeah, that's the thing. So but the call afterwards is the thing like that. I want to call and meet. But then Sharon says that. But she didn't really threaten to do anything. So it's really hard to hard to put in there. They said that it was not admissible unless relevant to an issue in the case. The defense counsel countered that the statement was relevant to show her violent nature.

But the trial court subsequently called Sharon to the bench to determine the relevancy. And they decide not to let it in. No, because she wasn't drunk. She wasn't drunk and so everything's on the table. There's testimony that says, you know, she's violent, she has knives all the time and

he's got stab wounds. There's testimony that says she has the sole possession of the knife. There's people that say he's a victim of domestic violence, people who aren't. This is the ultimate, you never know when you send it to a jury type thing because it's this is let it let a jury of your peers decide and he is found guilty of murder yes because he did it to himself he did it he'd stabbed himself i believe that too i believe he figured he could kill her and people would believe that she attacked him because she's fucking nuts.

But she didn't attack him that time, probably more than likely. So he is with the evidence show. And that's what the conviction shows. So, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. The evidence showed it. The doctors, the medical examiner showed. I mean, that's got to go by evidence.

And she's sober. So she's not a dick when she's sober. That's an even he says that to multiple people, including the police. Like said, just had enough. No alcohol in her system yet. So she didn't start drinking yet that day. So he is sentenced to you, sir. May fuck off 25 years in prison and he must serve 85 percent of it.

So that's 20 years. Yeah, that's about 20 ish. So that's 20 years, yeah? That's about 20-ish. So what they end up doing here, though, is he does an appeal, and he's trying to get the domestic violence exemption from the 85%. Because it says this section shall, because in the law it says that a violent offender shall not be released on probation or parole until he has served at least 85 percent of the sentence imposed that's the law uh krs 439.3401 power fucking parentheses five that's the rs1 yeah yeah krs1 kentucky revised statute one that was where his name came from

don't you know yeah he's very into just reading the laws of Kentucky and loved it. Also Kansas. He was into that too. Yeah. So they, they also in this provision though, it says this section shall not apply to a person who has been determined by a court to have been a victim of domestic violence or abuse.

Oh yes. Pursuant to another statute, 533.060, with regard to the offenses involving the death of the victim or serious physical injury of the victim. So how much time could he possibly get? So that would be the different parole parameters. It would be normal ones. It would be like half or some shit, not 85. 85 is for violent people.

They said it requires the evidence believed by the fact finder be sufficient that the defendant was more than likely not to have been a victim of domestic violence to not have that exception. So that's what they're trying to do here. said that it appeared the General Assembly adopting her interpretation that the domestic violence must be involved in the underlying offense regarding the probation requirement as well as parole eligibility. So her past of abuse doesn't matter in this particular act because it's not battered wife syndrome. It's different. The battered wife syndrome is over all these years i thought any movement toward me means he was going to kill me because i've been under threat for so long this is different this is a this is just under domestic violence not battered spouse so okay this is a totally different thing where yeah he would have to prove that she was attacking

him at the moment at that time yeah currently being abused when he retaliated. Can't show it. Yeah, and he can't show that because the medical examiner said she never had the knife, and he fucking stabbed himself. And the psychologist even said how many times that happens. So he said,

a prior history of domestic violence between a violent crime victim and the criminal defendant who perpetrated the violent offense does not in itself make the defendant eligible for the parole exemption, which is wild. They said the defendant in a case called Vincent offered no evidence to connect the shooting death of her husband to the history of domestic victim or serious physical injury to the victim to require some connection or relationship between the domestic violence suffered by the defendant and the underlying offenses committed. So that makes sense. The court stated, though, because they talked about this and the trial court based his decision on the fact that the fact that he's much larger than her. Yeah. Yeah. And he could not,

he, she, the judge said he could not have feared Connie and could not have been a domestic, an incident, a victim of domestic violence during the incidents he described. The judge said that that's crazy. That's fucking crazy because it's insane.

That's insane. You can't. So let me get this straight. If I'm a little skinny guy and my, and my wife is 400 pounds, I can't fucking abuse her? You can't beat her. You're incapable, fucking pussy. That's a load of shit.

Yeah. So, I mean, what are you, a pussy? How could he say that with a straight face? This judge said he declined to find that the exemption applied to him and found that while the relationship between Morgan and an appellant involved violence, the judge himself, quote, had a problem with the connection of that violence to the crime. That's crazy. I've seen tiny women beat the living shit out of their boyfriends a lot. Yeah. And I'm sure there's little dudes that beat the shit out of their big giant wives, too, all the fucking time.

100%. Size is not a matter of. Doesn't matter. No. It's all between the ears. And it's also, when there's knives involved, everything's out the fucking window. Size doesn't matter. Wow, I can't believe he said that in a court.

In a fucking court. I mean, it's in Kentucky, so it's barely a court. There's a curve. It's a, you know, yeah. There was like a horse rode through it at one point. It's, you know. yeah, there's like a horse rode through it at one point. It's, you know, shat on the court. We're picking on Kentucky.

So he said it isn't the court thus chose to disbelieve the testimony offered by appellant, instead finding other testimony more persuasive, especially that of the witnesses at the campground on the day of the murder. Just the ones who saw the death. That's fine. Yeah. The court stated that Morgan is out there crying, saying you're going to kill her. Remember a lot of the other violence, but you don't seem to. You remember a lot of the other violence, but you don't seem to remember that, he says. That part is very important. That part's important. The court found that he killed her in a, quote, blind, passionate rage of anger over whatever.

Like, whatever's in your fucking mind. Yeah, whatever bullshit's in your head. Thus, the trial court did not find a connection between the domestic violence and the murder. So, 85 fucking percent. Also, the denial, he's appealing the denial of his motion for a directed verdict of acquittal. He says the trial court denied his motion for a directed verdict of acquittal he says the trial court denied his motion for a directed verdict of acquittal for the murder charge uh that was an error he says the court he was entitled to a directic directed verdict of acquittal on the murder charge because

he was privileged to act in self-protection or in the alternative he was entitled to conviction under second degree manslaughter because his belief was wanton or conviction under reckless homicide because his belief was reckless. So, yeah. But they said that they went through the whole thing, the bathrobe, bleeding from the eye, not saying a word, carrying her in. Here's one that I actually go. He's got a point here. Sleepy jurors. Oh?

Yeah. He alleges that he was denied a fair trial because two jurors were allegedly to have been sleeping during the trial. So it's not their fault. This was an easy case. Yeah. Yeah. He did not raise this issue to the

trial court's attention until the reading of the instructions to the jury. So he waited until then, which is stupid. But if he brought it up, then he'd want the jury to get pissed off at him. There's a very fine line you're walking with the jury so he waited until then which is stupid but if he brought it up then you don't want the jury to piss him get pissed off at him there's a very fine line you're walking with the jury so um that makes sense uh he requested the judge either excuse the two jurors or call them into his chambers and question them the judge called them in and questioned them one juror stated she had a skin condition which caused her eyes to hurt because you have skin on your eyes. What the fuck does a skin condition that causes your eyes to hurt?

What the hell is that? I got psoriasis. It's of the eyes. Yeah, of the eyes. It's a different disease completely. I've got psoriasis. What the fuck is that? My neck's bad, so sometimes my knee hurts so he said that wow i have a that's so strange so she had to close them often

the other juror said he wasn't asleep he was just resting his eyes and it hurt all the evidence he gave the old he gave the old boyfriend falling asleep during the argument. I was going to say, I thought my grandfather died in 1991, but apparently he's alive and was on this jury because that's what he used to say to my grandmother when she'd yell at him. Wake up. I'm just resting my eyes. That's what he'd say. I'm just resting my eyes.

Jesus Christ. Keep bitching. I'm just resting my eyes. Jesus Christ, Clayton. Keep bitching. I'm listening. Oh, man. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. Because the jurors had been sworn, the judge took them at their word, and that was that. So he says, though, he did not have a right to a fair trial based on that and so they bring up two other cases a shroud versus commonwealth from 1928

where the court stated that the appellant could not sit by and see the juror sleeping without asking the court to arouse him from his slumbers and then complain about it after the trial was over oh in this case it said beside the jury besides the jury juror stated he listened with his eyes closed again i'm un-fucking-believable. In another one, Young v. Commonwealth from 2001, we found no error when the court questioned a juror who had allegedly been sleeping in the defendant's murder trial. Sleeping, not just eyes closed. How do you? I don't understand how that happens.

The juror stated she had a medical condition which caused her to close her eyes but insisted she had heard everything that happened during the trial, even though her eyes were closed for an hour or two at a time. It's a murder case. So that's allowed in Kentucky, though. So affirmed. Affirmed. Because those are all Kentucky shit. That's not the Supreme Court. We treat it like England around here.

Sometimes you get a nap. Sometimes that's all it is. Sometimes it's it. Just a nap and you're fine. So affirmed. Wow. It's a murder case. It's a fucking murder case.

The lullabies going and shit. That's what they did in the jury duty show on fucking prime there and it was like that's a joke in real life you got to stay awake in a fucking murder trial especially imagine judge you know saying can you get juror number eight his pillow please jesus christ you know what he's tired he looks tuckered out. He looks all tuckered. Let's let him. That's amazing. You guys take notes and let him catch up later, okay?

Come on. This isn't fair. Get along. He couldn't sleep last night. So that's affirmed. He's in prison here until, from all I can see, he was in the Mayfield and Graves County was the location he was. Looks like he was paroled on July 3rd of this year, 2023. Just got out two months ago.

Stabbed a woman in the fucking face. That's 20 years. Wow. And he's on parole. It says supervision. I only think this because it's under his name. It says supervision. I only think this because it's under his name. It says parole. And I don't know if that means he's up for parole

or he has been paroled. But then it says supervision begin date 7-3-23, which means that's the supervision end date, July 24th, 2028. So five years from now, he'll be a scot-free guy. I think he's about 70 years old now yeah 70s got yeah that's 25 james yeah that's 25 that's that's paroled for the rest of his time and he's

5 11 200 pounds too he's not like he's like 6 6 fucking you know 330 where they'd be like even if she has a knife you should be able to beat the shit out of her give me a break he's the size of your average trucker. Exactly. Um, but it's the funniest thing on his whole profile here on his prisoner profile from the state, uh,

has his PID and his D as DOC numbers. One eight four Oh eight. If you want to keep up with them. Uh, but his risk assessment rating is low. Really? Cause he's 70. He's been there a while. So, but at 50 he was down for stabbing so

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