Small Town Murder - #433 - A Ghost With A Samurai Sword - Willington, Connecticut

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

This week, in Willington, Connecticut, a seemingly studious, and polite young man appears to absolutely snap, when he goes on a rampage, across the state, starting with writing odd things on his walls, then carving someone up with a samurai sword! Then, it gets even worse, as he continues to elude the law, terrorizing, and murdering even more!!Along the way, we find out that chili festivals in Connecticut are kept a tight secret, that if you see someone attacking someone else with a samurai sword, you shouldn't get in the middle, and that if you don't sleep for a week, you may start to see cartoon characters!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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they've done something to deserve it. So there you go. They've earned it. That said, I think it's time, everybody. Just in case, if you don't think true crime and comedy should ever go together, maybe we're not for you i don't know but no bitching afterwards so here we go let's get into this i think it's time to sit back clear the lungs let's all shout shut up

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Shoes tied tight. Not too far from here, actually. No? We're going right down the road. Well, I mean, a couple hours, but we could make it in a car, which is nice. Sure. We're going to Willington, Connecticut. Willington.

Willington, Connecticut. Nice little small town. Very nice. Northeastern Connecticut, way out there. Fuck, yeah. Northeastern Connecticut. Willington. Willington, Connecticut. Nice little small town. Very nice. Northeastern Connecticut, way out there. Fuck, yeah. Northeastern Connecticut, just in the woods. We'll have some descriptions of the town. It's a beautiful little place.

About a half hour. Close to Rhode Island? Not really. About a half hour to Hartford. Okay. About an hour to New Haven. And about an hour also to Niantic, which was our last Connecticut episode, the open marriage blues, which if you haven't heard that one, I'd go back and listen to

it because that was a wild episode. This is in Tolland County or Tolland County, whatever it is. History of this town. All right. We get into this quickly here. In 1720. Yeah. Eight dudes showed up all from England and bought bought buckles and shit buckles on their hats

you name it man shoes fucking everywhere pilgrims hardcore yeah buckles on buckles here they buckled their buckles they bought 16 000 acres of land here oh and called it wellington not wellington they called it wellington okay Here it is after their favorite dinner. Well, yeah. But there's a Wellington in England. What the fuck, man? Well, yeah, that's what they were doing. But they named it originally Wellington after Wellington Somersetshire, which was the birthplace of one of the guy's grandfathers.

That's how they came up with it. Good Christ. place of one of the guy's grandfathers that's how they came up with it good christ uh but when it incorporated in 1727 someone wrote the name on the papers as willington not wellington and then once it's that that's what it says on the post office that's who you are that's what your letters are addressed to tough shit and it's willing to stop having me right you know i can't write jesus you know i can't spell jesus you know i can't spell a goddamn thing i said i write sloppy and they said do it anyway they'll be able to understand it and i told y'all i told you i like how we're giving these people with english accents

arkansas they've earned it by misspelling shit like literally completely not even getting the name of their town right on the incorporation papers is a bad. It's a bad start to a town. Let's just say it's a bad. It's only one letter, but it's enough to make it matter. But this is actually a very like kind of nice place. Actually, I believe it's fucking Connecticut. Connecticut's pretty.

It's nice there. In 1845. By then they had a thread mill, a cotton mill, three silk factories. Three. Jesus, they are making fucking clothes? Four comb factories. How many fucking combs do you need? Pumping out the combs, man.

Good, supplying the whole country. Every comb in the world is coming from this place. They had button mills and also a big glassworks that produced all sorts of flasks and all sorts of nice things that are of various designs here. So, yeah, that's kind of what they were into. Reviews of this town. Let's find out what people think here. Not a whole lot in terms of reviews. There's not a ton of people and they seem pretty close-knit and quiet here.

Okay, reviews. Five stars. Cute small town, but close to everything you need easy access to highways and shops in the surrounding areas okay yeah you can get to new haven in a half hour and you know everything you want would be there i would assume including crime and you know that sort of thing whatever you want to get into whatever you're into yeah that's what i mean four stars okay it is a really great town it's a good start okay it has a lot of nice people and places to go terrific uh the only reason i'm the reason i'm not giving it five stars is because there isn't a lot of places nearby to do common things such as shopping for clothes and grocery shopping

well there'd be less nice people there at that point there'd be more people of all stripes so you can't have where the fuck do you have to go to get that out of town there's only a couple little shops here apparently so however there is a lot of small businesses which is something i personally enjoy so they're saying like there's no mall here i think is what they're getting right there's no super target or no mall or whatever the fuck i like being able to support the small family-run businesses the quality is always good finally i like how rural a lot of the town is it makes me feel like i'm living more in the country which i enjoy that's because that's new england man that's because you are living in the country because this town is the fucking country it's out there it is it's the woods i mean yeah it's just a lot of woods in this town um three

stars okay this is boring they say yeah not much to do besides spend time with family and friends which i usually don't hear that as a negative that's the that's the reason to be there right that's what people usually are like i just wish i could spend more time with family and friends and these people like i just got family and friends up my ass it's boring get away from these people i wish i could spend some time with a fucking stranger yeah jesus go get all these friends and family away these people who love me all around me all the time leave me alone that's somebody that wants somebody that's real indifferent to everything i have to say what a a weird, yeah. I want, you know, just strangers and people who speak other languages I can't understand. I don't want to knock on your gate.

Vague acquaintances. Vague people I maybe, did I go to fourth grade with you? Someone like that I'm looking for. People that know some people I know, but I don't know them. Do you know Bill? Okay, yeah. How come we never met? I don't know.

Were you at that barbecue? I wasn't. A real neutral party that I can talk shit about my family to. That's what I want. That's wild. Not much to do. Okay. People in this town.

Here we go. 5,586 people. That's a good amount for a little town. That's a small town, though. It's small. Oh, boy, it's small. Yeah. 54% male, which is way off.

It's usually a little bit more female, so I don't know what the hell's going on there. Median age is a little bit lower than normal, so about 34. About less married people than normal, that sort of thing, but it's still kind of a family place. place race in this town 87.1 white 0.6 black 5.6 asian which just is a little pocket of asian people and is that what connecticut is i don't know northeastern connecticut town 5.2 hispanic here and so there's that religion 40 religious and it's going to be no surprise to anybody here that it's going to be 29% Catholic, as Catholics are, as we know, the Baptists of the North. We are everywhere up there. So 0.0% Jewish, which is, wow, I guess I don't know why it's the Northeast, but still. Yeah, zero for Connecticut?

Zero, none, none. Huh. Weird. Zero for Connecticut? Zero. None. None. Huh. Weird.

Tolland County, last election, 54.7% voted Democrat, 43.2% Republican, 2.1% Independent. They have an unemployment rate that's slightly higher than the national average. Really? But their median household income, also higher here, $78,351. Well, they're not necessarily unemployed as much as they're just taking a sabbatical and having a nice time. Taking the summer off to spend time with friends and family and then complain about it. They can afford it. Yeah.

So the cost of living, though, not that high, actually. $100 is average. Here it's $105. Housing is lower than the national average. Median home costs $300,800. Fucking hell. So some of these states like Massachusetts and Connecticut that are very expensive in the rural areas,

it's not very expensive. It's very, it's very affordable. It's reasonable. It's expensive around the cities. That's it. Right. Yeah.

$300,000 in Connecticut, uh, in fucking Hartford doesn't buy you shit. Yeah. Or worse, like in Greenwich or somewhere like that. Right. You couldn't even buy,'t even buy a shed for that much. What's the fucking Chester town there?

There's something Chester. That's Massachusetts. Ronchester? I don't know. There's something fucking Connecticut. There's a Chester. There's Chester's there. They always got a few Chesters.

There's always a Chester in there somewhere. The fucking Connecticut is so expensive. It usually is, yeah. Especially right across the lake or river or ocean from the city right there. Oh, you're in New York. Yeah, New York. That's Greenwich. Greenwich and all that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where. So much money. Yeah, that's where hedge fund managers and Vince McMahon lives and shit like that. All right. Like comic book villains live there. Yeah. Tons of estates.

It's amazing. Downline Kennedys live there. There you go. Not in the main group. Yeah. They don't have a last name of Kennedy. They certainly have the blood. Yeah.

They had like a kid who like, you know, got arrested for raping a girl at one point. Like the one did. So they sent him out to Connecticut. Yeah. They sent out to Connecticut. It's like rich, rich, like old money. That's an old money type of place. I'm trying to say.

So if we've convinced you, damn it, you need to be here. You need it. We have for you the Willington, Connecticut Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is actually a little above the national average. I don't know if that's... It's $14.60 per month. I don't know if that's... It's $1,460 per month. I don't know if that's just because there's not a lot of apartments, probably more houses. It's not bad.

Not terrible, I mean, compared to some other places. Here is a three-bedroom, two-bath, 2,100-square-foot house on a little over half an acre. Built in 1915. It's like a little... It's a nice little house. It's like a... They call it a bungalow, but it's big. You know, 2,100 square feet.

2,000 square foot bungalow? That's awesome. It's pretty damn cool. The problem is they have absolutely updated it to everything in the house is gray. It's that look where, well, just here we go. Everything's gray. Enjoy. Light gray, a little dark gray, some white.

But it's an awesome little house. Cool little place. $279,000 for that. Wow. That's pretty fucking reasonable for a 2,100 square foot move-in ready house. That's not bad. Next up, five-bedroom, two-bath. Okay.

So there's that. 3,404 square feet. That's a monster. Sits upon five acres. Oh, boy. Not bad. Built in 1978. That's a monster. Sits upon five acres. Oh, boy. Not bad. Built in 1978. It's very strange.

It's a house that looks like, we've had these before where it looks like they Frankenstein three houses together and made a house. A couple people added onto it. It's got like that barn style, that whatever, I can't remember the name of what it's called. Not the shaker style, the other style, but there's like a barn. It's like a German style on one part of it. And then it looks like a brick house is kind of off of that. And then there's other stuff. There's a garage with shit on top of it.

Oh, boy. It just looks like there's a lot going on. It's a long house. And then inside, definitely grandma died. And we're selling it off. Kids are unloading it. Oh, yeah. $549,900 for that not five acres and a big house and square feet it's a big house next up this thing is

newer it's a big stone you know yeah i don't know i don't like back east what they have is and we've driven around here where you've seen it, where they have these new neighborhoods where they clear out every tree and then build these houses. And it was the woods five minutes ago, and now there's no trees at all. It looks so weird. Why do they do that? I hate that. I don't know why they do it. Leave a couple of trees.

I don't get it. But this is a five-bedroom, four-bath, 3,743 square foot on 22 and a half acres. Oh, my God. Which is nice. Big stone house, nice pool, big old giant pool, huge kitchen with two islands. It's a nice place here. $1,195,000 for that, though. But it's over 22 acres.

What? Yeah. It's a lot of that's incredible that's a good if you got if you're in the market for a million plus dollar house that's not a bad one it's not bad jesus god yeah it's not the worst there's worse houses that we've heard value-wise and in northern connecticut that's not a bad place to be no it's nice it's not a bad place i mean it really isn't over there it's not too shabby uh things to do here okay this is one this one is it's a mystery we can't we can't find any information on this okay the willington

chili festival which i'm sound iced it sounds terrific i'd like to know more details but we cannot find chili anything about it other than it already happened this year. It's over with. Don't you worry about it. Oh, chili, cheese, onions. What is there to brag about? That's it. I would love to go to a chili festival. You have to tell me what's going to happen there so I can get there.

And they have not done that, which I don't care for here at all. I'd love a good macaroni and cheese with some chili poured over it. That's what I want. That's good. Anything. You with some chili poured over it that's what i want that's good anything you could put chili on just about anything yeah i love a god i love a chili fat i love a good chili the good chili beans in the chili i used to like beans in the chili and then i got sick at one time and it was throwing up and i got a beaten skin caught in my throat and since then i cannot eat beans and chili i liked liked it before, but now I can't do it anymore. Was it a kidney bean chili or was it a pinto bean?

No, no. The red one? Kidney, yeah. Stuck. It's a thick skin. Yeah, those are heavy. Stuck. It was bad.

Yeah, no good. That's too bad, James. It's too bad. It's delicious. I'm a big fan of beans and the chili. I like them too. A lot of people say beans don't go in the chili. And I like to call them wrong, but whatever.

I'll go either way. I'll go either way. I'll go either way with it. I don't care. Give me no beans, I'm also happy. Very satisfied. Fuck, I love Pintos, man. Pintos are rad. Sure, throw them in there if you want.

Such a good bean. I don't give a shit. Such a good bean. So then there's the annual Harvest Festival, which is in Vernon nearby. All right. harvest festival which is in vernon nearby and they say they have live music food trucks crafters oh boy uh games visiting animals i don't know if the animals are visiting you or if you're visiting them but are they in jail they're there yeah it's visiting day for the animals the chicken parade which i certainly want more details of that and i saw pictures it's is what

it says it is it's chicken parade they all chain together i would think you would have to chain gang them up right yeah chain them by the neck right walk them down the middle i don't think on their little ankles that would be hilarious that'd be way more funny that might be that might be cute with little chains on them going down the street if we're looking for humor i think that's the way to do it i don't know if it's you know humane or whatever but flightless bird with shackles on its feet if you're gonna force them in a direction anyway i mean it's silly but who knows if we're gonna eat them afterwards anyway what's the difference so then after the chicken parade they announced the winners of oh you ready the scarecrow contest oh boy god yay what who gives a shit whoa we're gonna build up all day to get

to the point where we can announce the winner of this sacred festival of the scarecrow contest oh fuck who which one will repel crows the best yeah it's just flannel and straw and a stupid face right that's it i guess you could really could really doll him up a little bit. I don't know if you dress him up like Frosty the Snowman, stick a pipe in his mouth. I'm not sure what you do. I don't know. Admission is free, though. Okay.

It is $5 for parking. Oh, really? So you're going to have to pay to park, which seems like there's probably a lot of room to park around here. It's wide open. It's one of those places where we've gone to shit around here it's like a festival thing that's kind of you know in a woodsy area you park and if you drive into a field and park in it there's no yeah you're not in a parking lot remember we went christmas tree shopping and oh we just parked in the middle of the fucking oh yeah you parked just in the woods we went that was crazy we went you know it was jimmy came with us that was two years ago to go to go chop down a christmas tree from this christmas tree farm you just park in the woods and just park in the woods and go traipsing

through it and then and then you get to a place where trees were put on purpose yeah and then you pick one and you pick and then you drag that motherfucker back through the woods you drag it two miles back up and up and down hills through the woods get yourself completely covered in sap yeah and then you go wasn't this fun that's we saw people having meltdowns at that place we saw several families just straining not to break apart yeah yeah It's funny because your brother came and he brought the battery-operated saw. And then you saw all these families

wandering through the woods with just the dad dejected with a dull bow saw. The giveaway saw they give you at the front when you go in. Yeah, they give you twine and a dull saw. It's dull as fuck. And then it's got like a wire tin thing tying the front of the blade to the

good luck good luck and we just saw husbands and wives arguing and fucking and we and that the funny thing is we saw multiple families just at the at the brink of disaster and we were just laughing the two of us were this is what we do This is why we're dangerous to get in the same area. We were just laughing. We're heckling them. At them. At them. Remember, we were talking.

While they're furious. While they're furious. They look over at us, and we're dying. They don't know whether to be angry and come punch us or like, is this funny? I can't tell. It was great. So they're going to have a scarecrow contest.

You can join us for a fun day on the farm. And there is the Strong Family Farm Annual Harvest. They'll have live music, and I can't figure they won't show me who's going to play there. Then I got to tell. They're not going to tell. It's a surprise. We've heard there's a podcast of two men who make fun of the act. So we won't put them through it this year.

I think Pink Floyd is reuniting this year there probably.'s gonna be one of those food trucks all this shit and uh yeah don't miss this great community event another thing you can do here since it's halloween time is oh yeah there's some haunting taunted shit here apparently of course there is it's 1700s something absolutely so they said here's one a A poster named Jillian said, there is one incredibly haunted place in Willington, a very old small town. That's how they described the town. Moose Meadow Road. The entire street is full of creepy things. Moose Meadow Button Factory.

The Moose Meadow Cemetery and the mansion at the end of the road. You can hear kids screaming with no kids anywhere and also see shadowy figures and glowing orbs. It's really freaky. Jesus, head down to Moose Meadow Road. You can hear children screaming and that's quote-unquote freaky? Call the fucking cops.

That's more than freaky, yeah. Yeah, that's horrific. Are they trapped somewhere? Is it their damn souls? Start looking for kids. Jesus. Well, actually. Somebody needs your help, you fucking psychos.

Yeah. Call as you're running away because that is crazy. It might be ghosts. I don't know. I'm running. So you guys check that out, though. It's your job. There's children screaming.

Send men with guns. Here's another one. Willington is very haunted. I live on State Highway Road 32, and in the woods behind my house, there is a shadowy creature. Within my investigations, I found that this shadow is actually a vampire and is extremely dangerous. Be careful hunting. Gil. I caught it eating a deer.

Within my investigations, which I would love to see. That's not enough detail for me. I need to know about these investigations. I found it to be a vampire. That's amazing. And then finally, here's another sighting. I was about 10 years old and I woke up and I saw someone at the end of my bed. It was just a black figure with white glowing eyes.

It just kept looking at me as if it was mocking me. I was too scared to even breathe. It wouldn't stop looking at me. I finally was mocking me i was too scared to even breathe it wouldn't stop looking at me i finally found the courage to move i ran up the stairs to my parents room and told them what happened they didn't believe me and sent me back downstairs to bed i haven't seen the black figure since i think maybe you were dreaming maybe either uh either it was either you were asleep or your dad's a fucking creep, man. Yeah, yeah. Do you have an older brother who likes to fuck with you maybe? Something like that?

Your drunk father standing over your bed while he just watches you sleep? Not sure. Either way, crime rate in this town. What we're interested in here. Property crime, about half the national average. So not a lot of shit being stolen. in this town, what we're interested in here. Property crime, about half the national average. So not a lot of shit being stolen. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault.

The Mount Rushmore of crime is about one-third the national average. Yeah, it's almost like if you make enough money and housing is affordable, yeah, and you live away from a big city. Well, it's not just a big city. It's you live away from people. The closer people are to each other, the more likely they are to murder each other that's just the way it is you got a little bit of room a little bit of money and a little bit of the pie you might smile well also at that point you really don't have any fucking reason to murder people and that's why

we do this show because it's like these are all unforced errors people none of these people are like you know the the crips made me do do it because I was trying to get into it. That's not how it works. These are all in the middle of nowhere. Okay, here we go. Let's talk about a murder, shall we? Not just one murder. There is a lot to this case.

This is some funky shit here. Let's start off right in the middle of the action, and then we'll circle back from there. We'll move around? There's a manhunt afoot in the middle of our action here. Oh, is that right? Okay. Police search teams are looking everywhere, all throughout the Connecticut area, first in Willington and later in Derby, a town called Derby, and then also in New Jersey and in

Pennsylvania. They're looking all over the place. Several states. For one particular young man. This is in 2020, in May of 2020. So very recently, as a matter of fact. And they're looking for a man named Peter Manfredonia. Manfredonia?

M-A-N-F-R-E-D-O-N-I-i-a manfredonia that's too much that's a lot of last name well let's see here three six eight same amount of letters as me so is that right it's too much you're right same amount when you see a name you go oh god that's what people do when they see mine that's hilarious it's a fun reaction to get always so he was born in 1997 he's 23 years old at this point young man so young guy now peter is a senior at uconn so university of connecticut he is an honor student and in a uh what's called an elite business and engineering program as well an elite one an elite one not a dumb kid at all here we're not talking about a dumb dude here some carnegie mellon shit yes exactly his the thing is though

the things that have caused this manhunt really has shocked the shit out of his whole family he's just everyone's like what's going on i mean obviously to get to the point of being a senior in an elite program in a college and all this you had to have your shit together for a long time. I couldn't have done that as a teenager. At least the last three years. Shit. Before that, just to get into all this programming in high school and everything like that. Apparently, they do concede that he has struggled with some mental health problems in the past.

You know, just has gone to therapists and had some issues like a lot of teenagers, but has never been violent at all or anything. Never. He's never, you know, caused a four state manhunt. That's never really been an issue. This is the first for him. This is the first time definitely here. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast. Morbid.

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And yeah, well, because he lives in Newtown. His mother's a teacher at Newtown. Shit. And I believe his father and mother, they're going to get divorced while he's in high school. And we'll talk about his father because he goes a real different way. Yeah, he grew up six houses away from Adam Lanza. Let's just say that. Six houses down the street from Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter.

Yeah. Two kids on the same street had some issues that the police were involved. One's Adam Lonza and the other's on our show. So it's not. Wow. That's a bad record for one street, really. Not good. Not good at all.

For one small town, one street. That's not terrific, honestly. Yeah. Bad track record here. So we'll talk more about his background here but police say that peter was spotted on a this is on a wednesday i believe and they're saying that on a tuesday morning he was spotted in chambersburg pennsylvania carrying a black bag believed to contain firearms oh before they believe he took an uber to hagerstown, Maryland, which is not far away.

Yeah. Yeah. How do you they believe it would be pretty obvious if you took an Uber, right? Yeah. So they think he took an Uber, but his account took an Uber. I mean, they're pretty sure he took an Uber. So into that night and into the next morning, police near Scranton, Pennsylvania, searched a wooded area near an old coal mining town after another possible sighting of him so he's like he's become like a like a ghost through like a ghoul like people he's like mothman yeah people keep sighting in place he's like a black figure with glowing eyes at the end of your bed you see him and then he's gone. So police and crew, they were aboard a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter searching a wooded area near Duryea. Duryea?

D-U-R-Y-E-A. I don't know how the fuck you say that. Duryea? Duryea, Pennsylvania. And they said, I guess a firefighter reported seeing a man matching Peter's description, which is 6'3", heavy set, white dude with dark hair.

Young guy. Yeah. He's a big guy. Big guy. He played high school football. We'll talk about it. He's pretty damn good at it and everything else. So, yeah, they reported seeing him behind a firehouse in town.

So they called the cops. And then, yeah, so the cops got the helicopters out and the search ended after several hours when they found nothing. Nothing. Nothing. So this guy's not hard to spot we'll put it that way. No. He's a big fucking guy and he's not hard to spot.

Conspicuous as spicuous? What's the word? Yeah yeah he's conspicuous. He is spicuous. He's conspicuous inconspicuous would be he blends in. Okay got it. Conspicuous? What's the word? Yeah, yeah. He's conspicuous. He is spicuous. He's conspicuous. Inconspicuous would be, he blends in. Okay, got it. Conspicuous is sticking out like a sore thumb. So police in Pennsylvania were warning Uber and Lyft drivers that Peter may attempt to solicit ride-sharing services, possibly through third-party means, to flee the area.

So if you see a guy... Oh, okay,'s somebody else's. Yeah. He might force somebody else to, you know, make an appointment for him and then he'll. So you got to keep an eye out for him. They said he also may seek refuge in wooded areas, a hotel, a motel or an abandoned building. Yeah. Those are the options. You know, like on the on the run.

Where the fuck else would you go? Where would you go? He might seek refuge on a international space station like where else is he going to be he might seek refuge in places that cost him no money nor does he have to show id obviously officer motel or yeah that's it that's where you would think okay so a man matching peter's description was seen at a sheets convenience store in chambersburg which is just off the i-81 in southern pennsylvania at about 9 30 a.m on that tuesday and i'll never forget what a sheets is because i had it in a show before and oh yeah i

guessed i guessed laundromat no yeah we that made the most sense. I think I agreed with you. We found out it's like a Wawa with gas. Yep, it's a gas station. It's a gas station. Got it. It's a Bucky's, or whatever. But don't tell that to people who go to Bucky's, because they'll go, nothing is Bucky's. Nothing is like Bucky's.

Nothing. Bucky's is Bucky's. There's no Beaver Munch there. God damn it. They love their Bucky's. They do. They said he was seen at a Sheetz convenience store in Chambersburg about 9.30 a.m. on that Tuesday. Then a black Hyundai Santa Fe was stolen from East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, near where Peter was sighted about 6 p.m. a couple days earlier.

He's been on the run for days now. They're trying to get him. That was recovered near the Sheetz store. So they think, okay. They're trying to get him. Okay. That was recovered near the Sheetz store. So they think, okay, they're trying to put together a timeline. They think he stole this Hyundai and drove here and then dumped it near the Sheetz. Got some shitty pizza and walked on. Took off here. Police say the person that they think possibly that Peter received a ride from an Uber driver then to Hagerstown after that, which is only 24 miles away from Chambersburg.

It's right there. So they said surveillance video and witness descriptions of the man match his description. So who the fuck is Peter Manfredonia here? And why are they looking for? Why are they looking for him? Well, he's done some bad, bad shit. Put it that way. Well, he's suspected of it at least. There's him well he's done some bad bad shit put it that way well he's suspected of it at least there's a reason he's hiding um yeah so he grew up being really a

like a a model student and child it seems like here he was in the newspaper all the time for good things wow like sports performances and being on the high honor role and all that kind of shit. They put you in the paper for that in the small town. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. This guy's on the honor role. Look at that. And you know, small town sports and that sort of thing. So yeah, he grows up there. His parents divorce was finalized in early fall 2012 as he was beginning his sophomore year in high school. So his parents get divorced. Like we said, his mother's a teacher at the high school,

and his father is a different thing completely, and we will certainly talk a little bit about him later on. Oh, I can't wait. His father's almost as bad a guy as he is, put it that way. Really? Yeah, it's not great, at least in my opinion. So he grew up, like we said, six houses down the street from Adam Lanza, which is fucking incredible. Number one.

That's why. I mean, I guess somebody had to grow up next door to him, but a guy that goes and gets a manhunt is looking for him. That's unbelievable. That's insane. Yeah. I mean, what he did is it's a lot. He didn't just, you know, it's not something small it's all right he did a lot and it's it's pretty fucking wild i mean it's it'll get attention so they said that um you know they i guess he got

talked to at one point by the newspaper after the adam lonza thing to see how that would affect the kids in the area and all that kind of thing here um so yeah if you don't know by the way he adam monza killed 26 people inside the san diego elementary school tiny ones tiny well and teachers too but yeah but it was like 24 tiny ones it was a lot of horrific way to yeah and then shot himself in the head and then um this is going to cost Alex Jones $3 billion because it didn't happen. That's it. I'm going to kill Jimmy. That's the only thing funny about the whole thing is it's going to ruin a human being.

That's the only thing the only thing was watching that trial and watching a video of him going it didn't happen i'm telling you right now and then cut to him in court going i never said it didn't happen what are you talking about that's the funniest fucking thing about it i don't care if you like him or not that was hilarious that's just hilarious oh it's so good good. I laughed so hard for so long. Every day was so funny. It was so good. It was like a sketch.

The whole thing was like a sketch. I never said anything of the sort, and they cut to him saying that exact thing. Well, I mean, maybe not in that context, but okay. Oh, God. I was dying laughing. Oh, God, Jesus. If it was going to cost me $3 billion to say something, I'd never say it. No, that's a lot of money to say something.

Especially something that's obviously not true. Obvious. Holy shit. So, yeah. Peter's mom, Jeanette, is the teacher, by the way. Okay. So his family, like we said, think about this. It's 2012.

I mean, there's a lot of shit going on on your street when yeah the guy six houses down shot his mother goes and commits a giant mass murder shoots himself right there's all sorts of stuff going on that's about the same time his parents are getting a divorce too oh god peter um in 2013 his mother she ends up getting the house and the divorce, which is a four-bedroom colonial where Peter, the mother, and Peter's two sisters lived. And this is down the street from the Lonza home, which is all taped off and will eventually be razed. They eventually just knock it to the ground. No one wants that. Pretty soon that's gone anyway.

Nope. You couldn't possibly want to be anywhere near that neighborhood. That's awful. That's just depressing. So awful. Now, he was a really good, first of all, high honor student, number one, and also huge in the sports, Peter. Big in the sports. Sure.

Soccer, lacrosse, basketball, football, track and field. He did it all. So in high school, he really focused on football and track and field is what he was into. He's 6'3", 240, big kid. Track and field at that size. Yeah, shot put probably or discus or something. It's usually the big guys do that. Javelin.

Yeah, some shit like that. He probably wasn't running the hurdles, I don't think. I can't imagine he thinks he's going to fucking run a relay. 400 relay hurdles or some shit, I don't think, probably, maybe. He's an anchor, anchor all right but not that anchor not that anchor he was the captain of the newtown high school track and field team wow in 2013 he was an offensive lineman on the conference champion football team as well wow so i mean yeah he did a lot there's he even had a a q a in the uh in the newtown b newspaper

with him when he was just a kid. I guess, I mean, yeah, you got to question that kid and ask him, how are you doing it when you're champions and you've got so much fucking awful in your periphery and you're still focused. You think that's what the Newtown B asked him? They've got to, right? No, no, no, no. We'll tell you what he asked him. But his photograph is in there, you know, in the newspaper. Here he is.

They ask him, your favorite football team? Oh, come on. The Bears, he says. Chicago Bears, he likes. Favorite food? What is this, a first fucking date? He's being interviewed by a four-year-old is what this sounds like. Is the Newtown Bee like a preschool newspaper?

Is it written by a series of kindergartners? what's with the most annoying small talk on the planet yeah macaroni and cheese is the answer by the way yeah because he's a fucking high school kid who the hell doesn't like macaroni and cheese i well it's either it's either that's the answer or ramen or because that's what high school yeah yeah that's what high school boys like we like yeah so that's what high school boys like. That's what we like. Yeah. So that's what we liked, I should say. Yeah. Yeah. We act like we're in high school. Yeah.

Just because we act like children doesn't mean our favorite food could be macaroni and cheese. His favorite subject. Oh, now we're getting deep. Here we go. Science. Okay. Not even. Didn't even break it down further.

His favorite part about playing football. There you go. Probably getting to hit other kids. Jesus. Which is, yeah, that's what every kid thinks are tough. And they say probably being able to hit other kids and not get in trouble for it. I don't get suspended for what I do out there. Jesus.

So his senior year comes along in high school. Three months before his high school graduation, the town knocks down the Lonza home and removes it from the street, leaving a big, giant, vacant two-acre space in the middle of the neighborhood. Wow. They had two fucking acres, too? Jesus. Everybody on the street kind of has a little bit of land, it seems like. It's awesome. That's awesome.

He wins the, I guess at the school, the Outstanding Male Athlete Award for 2015 and gets accepted to UConn. Wow. Where he enrolls in the honors program and studies management and engineering at first. And then goes into other shit in engineering. So it's. Does he go for sports or is he there just for the fucking education? Academics. Yeah. He's not going to play sports there.

He's going to. Atta boy. Yeah, because that's a Division I school. You've got to be quite the football player. You've got to be the best. Yeah, you've got to be the best. Or a really good girls' basketball player. Yeah, one of the best.

Yeah. It would be great. And his anxiety and depression at that time got to be a little bit a lot for him, which happens to a lot of kids when they first go to college, too. It's a complete change. And that's a normal thing. I mean, he just had his whole world shaken up by the divorce. And now his whole world's shaken up this way. And he's expected just to fucking be successful. Yeah, a lot of kids get divorced, put on 15 pounds, and that's your first year.

And you've got to adjust to it it and then you go from there. So he went and sought out a therapist to talk to, which is the right move you should do. And they said, you know, people who knew him, like his landlord, said it didn't seem weird to me at all. He seemed fine. They said he seemed like a, quote, normal young guy.

Just, you know, fine, which doesn't mean that he doesn't have shit going on on the inside. So, also they said that guy just you know fine which doesn't mean that he doesn't have shit going on on the inside so um also they said that um you know that he was often smiling and he posts like all positive shit on social media and stuff so no one ever thought there's anything wrong with him everyone said oh he seems fine to me so 2015 he graduates from high school goes to yukon um he said this as well he said uh about the newtown shooting because he's, Oh, feels very connected to that whole thing.

Sure. Sure. Yeah. Especially since his mom, you know, teaches in the district and lived down the street and Adam would have gone to the same fucking high school as him. Absolutely. Yeah. I think he did.

So he said, now one of the, one of the, uh, young kids who was killed, I guess, was a young girl, I guess, based on this, named Aviel. And he said, I had an opportunity to meet and talk to Aviel's mother, Jennifer, who taught me about the crucible moment of our lives, she said. Now, Jennifer is Jennifer Hensel, the mother of a first grader who was murdered there by Adam Lanza and is the co-founder of the Aviel Foundation for research about violence and the brain. He said, these crucible moments are the transformative experiences throughout life that test our character and alter our very own sense of identity. Okay. Interesting.

Yeah. Is it a specific moment or is it just like every life is different but you have everybody has one that you just have these their path yeah i think you have these moments i think what he's trying to say or what this woman was trying to say is that because it's not his fucking thing it's what she told him she's um she's the profound one i suppose uh they're trying to be she said that yeah i think that you have these moments that can send you down one way or another way or you have to really fight to be able to choose your own adventure i think at certain moments in life there's there are moments throughout everybody's life that will

test your metal and you decide which direction you're going to go based on on how you react to that moment definitely yeah okay that's that's the I guess that, I guess that makes all the sense in the world, but yeah. Okay. Now people said later on about Peter, the one thing you hear is that he was bright and incredible athlete. And it's just a shock to think about what must've been going on in his mind with so much going for him.

That's been the hardest thing for people to understand. His mother's a well-respected and outstanding teacher. So I feel sorry for the family. I feel sorry for everybody dealing with this difficult situation and we'll talk about that in a second so okay he goes to college now when he's in college yeah the only thing that's a kind of a red flag to other people is that he writes some shit on his walls that is real weird in his room anytime people start writing on the walls and it's not like artistic at all it's like statements that's a problem there's usually something wrong with them on his facebook wall like no no no drywall and paint painted wall with like red markers and shit oh boy writing some wild shit i mean that's that's david berkowitz

did that that's not good that's a bad movie where jim carrey was in a nut farm 21 27 i don't know whatever number 20 something yeah the number 23 some shit but when you're writing on the wall it's like you may as well write on your face like this is wild yeah that's weird you're two seconds away from smearing poop on something. If you're writing crazy things on the wall here. So, yeah, nobody really noticed except for that here. And I will talk exactly about those messages here in a second. Yeah, he had the messages were seen in his former bedroom in an off campus apartment.

And they said that he things like things were really building up was one of the things he said things like that and uh we'll get to that right now so so they said he'd been in therapy he wrote it by 2018 he wrote an instagram post that said shootings a lot of his stuff was about new town and like he was always for years. He's trying to come to terms with that whole thing. It changed his whole everything before he was. I'm thankful that Columbine was my senior year of high school because had it not been as fucked up as I am and I was, that could have changed me so much more dramatically. But he and he was young when it happened. That kind of violence, man.

And he and it was right fucking. That's what I mean it's right there like i mean he could have heard the gunshot of this kid killing his mother you know absolutely that's crazy he said that shootings were an epidemic plaguing this country we live in and said he was disgusted to think that the collective strength and resilience of sandy hook after the 2012 shooting was an example to the world he said it's sad to think that we have stood idly by and done nothing as innocent people continue to die at the hands of those who only seek to inflict pain in this world.

That's some college kid shit to write on your Instagram wall. Not to think, but to write on your Instagram wall. So on his regular wall, here is what he wrote. Now, I'm going to, I'll just turn the monitor, because I want you to see, you have to kind of see the way it is. Look at this. Oh, what the fuck? Yeah, there's all sections.

He's got it boxed in and bullet points. Different colors from different times. Different colors. Oh, what's that little squiggle thing right there? Yeah, what is that thing called? Because I used to write those all the time in like a. Oh, yeah, it's to insert something in. Right.

It's to sum up a point or whatever. This cover-up is what a real cover-up looks like is what it says. Okay, then it says deny this, and there's a big thing like that. It says here is I'm not angry, I'm upset'm not angry dot dot dot I'm upset that's the big letters over the door that's he took up almost a whole section of the wall with giant way bigger seven times bigger letters than anything else he wrote like a Ted Lasso believe sign he wrote I'm not angry I'm upset I'm upset and he said to Peter world. There's another thing on the side there. Then he's got a thing where he's got bullet points like a dash and things written.

And it said, is this bad? That's one bullet point. Next, will I get in trouble? Okay. Next, will they look at me? Strange is there. Um, what is this something and fears something and fears are the only things that are not to be something i can't read that part okay trifled with peter's great

dreams and fears dreams and fears i don't know what he's talking about there then he's got a big whiteboard i'll show you this boy. With all sorts of shit around it on the wall. Like, he just said, fuck it. I'll leave that on the whiteboard and go bat shit on this stuff. Right over his. Evaluation of the failure? What does that say? Right over his Corona DeMaio poster that says Thursday $3 Corona bottles from 9 to 10 p.m.

Literally right above that. He's got profound, like, depression thoughts scrawled on the wall dude this is like manifesto shit like yeah right this is frightening he he used his walls as post-it notes and just like boxed out little pieces and he's like i'll write this all together later into one document i'll turn this into a set list later but for now i got bullet points and ideas for jokes yeah i don't want to forget these jokes one and then there's another wall here that on the top of it underlined in big letters it says revolution okay uh then i think revolution yourself it says under it possibly he says then he says use your words dot dot dot not your guns and then does at sign everyone so i guess

that goes for everyone um he says what is this you're blindfolded off and see the beauty of the light okay um i don't know what the hell your blindfold is off yeah this is very weird um yeah good what this is hard to say hard to see there okay here's another one it sounds like a lot of it is positive there's some there's some bad stuff but he's trying so hard with the with the motivation for himself one section here on a small part of the wall says it's says it's so crazy it just might work in quotes, which is a movie. It's a stupid, you know, just a cliche from a movie. Let's get smart.

Then that's in a box by itself written in black. Then in red, in red marker on bullet points, it says, we saw what happened when Adam snapped. All right. Now it's Friday. Which is Adam Lanza. We saw what happened when Thanos snapped. Okay. Now do you Adam Lonza. We saw what happened when Thanos snapped. Okay. Now, do you know who that is? That's a character from.

No, no. That is John Frederick Thanos. Oh, my God. Like John Frederick Thanos, an American spree killer who was convicted in 1992 of the murder of three teenagers. Oh, my God. Executed in 94. It's a little quick thing about Thanos. He said Thanos snapped.

Here's him snapping, by the way. Just some bullet points of his life. October 69. Thanos assaulted and raped a woman in Rosedale, Maryland. He was charged for the offense and sentenced to 21 years in prison. Good. At the trial, he threatened the judge and later attempted to break years in prison good at the trial he threatened the judge and later attempted to break out of prison in 1971 he escaped and but it was recaptured

he was released from prison in 86 however he returned a month later after he committed an armed robbery at a convenience store got another snaps a lot that's i mean this isn't snapping this is a fucking career criminal yeah that, that's a bad person. On April 15th, 1990, he was accidentally released early due to a mistake by a prison official who was later fired for the mistake. He should have been fucking lynched for it. How do you make that kind of mistake? Oh, sorry. I let a rapist and an armed robber out early.

My bad. Sorry. Holy shit. Upon his release, he worked as a bricklayer and a chicken processor. In the summer of 1990, he exposed himself to a woman who gave him a ride. Yeah. The woman charged him for the offense, and he feared that he'd be returned to prison. So he embarks on a crime spree because he said he's worried his parole was going to be revoked.

So he said he'd make it worse. On October 29th, 1990, he quit his job and purchased a.22 caliber semi-automatic rifle, sawed the barrel down so he could fit it in a black doctor's bag, which he carried around with him. Oh, my God. Then he robbed a cab driver at gunpoint, forced him into the trunk of the vehicle, threatening to kill him if he refused, obviously. On the 31st, he encountered 18- old greg taylor while hitchhiking held him at gunpoint in his car thanos ordered taylor to drive to a wooded area along a deserted logging road don't like how that's going we've seen how

this fucking story ends not good where he intended to tie him to a tree taylor refused to comply with his demands so thanos laid taylor down and murdered him by shooting him in the head three times, then stole his car and altered his appearance to look more like Taylor. Wow. So people would think it was him driving his own car. That's even more psychotic. Just snapped. Just snapped for fucking 30 years. On September 1st, Thanos arrived at a gas station and traded his father's watch to a 16-year-old named Billy Weinbrenner for $20 and some gas.

They made a deal in which Thanos could return to the gas station and pay $60 to get his watch back. So this guy's like running an independent pawn shop just in his own pocket. He pawned it to a private citizen. What a weird thing. The following day, he robbed a convenience store in Salisbury and shot the clerk in the head. I shot the clerk? Jesus. I shot the clerk?

I shot the clerk. I shot the clerk. He said the clerk survived the shooting and Thanos stole $96. This was a big haul out of that. What a piece of shit. On September 30, he returned to the gas station and encountered Weinbrenner, the kid with his watch, On September 30, he returned to the gas station and encountered Weinbrenner, the kid with his watch, and Weinbrenner's 14-year-old girlfriend, Melody Pistorio, who had come to the gas station to keep him company. Weinbrenner didn't have the watch with him, and he gave it to the girlfriend who had left it at home in her jewelry box.

Thanos is enraged, pulls his gun out, robs them at gunpoint, demanding Weinbrenner fill his bag with cash. They hand it over, all the cash from the register. Thanos then fatally shoots them twice in the head and flees the fucking store. You know, snapped. Yeah, just a crime of passion. Well, under that it says, we saw what happened when Adam snapped. We saw what happened when Thanos snapped. Now they see what happens when I snap is what he says. Oh, my God.

That's not great. That is in. Yeah, that is in some. That's on the drywall in his little apartment. That's in his apartment. Yeah, that's not great. Jesus. So obviously, yeah, there's some stuff going on in this dude's head that we don't like.

Yeah. A little bit about the neighborhood of Willington here, because he's not from Willington. He takes off from Willington, takes off from Newtown to go to Willington where his, I guess, ex-girlfriend lives. Girl who just broke up with him, girl who's in the process of breaking up with him. Someone he's not happy with. Here is from ctmirror.org. Okay. It's an article about Willington

and about people in Willington. Normally, Willington leans into its quiet corner image with stunning scenery on the back roads at a sloping Yankee town green capped by the 19th century Old Town Hall. People still meet there to decide whether to buy a new snowplow or allow live entertainment in town. I'm not kidding. But just a few minutes south is Connecticut's flagship university on a campus the size of a small city. Willington shelters

some UConn faculty and students and Hartford commuters who crave a slower pace and fresher air and others who work locally as farmers, small business employees or entrepreneurs. So that's what we're dealing with. Now, one person who's doing that exact thing, just as they described, is Theodore Demers. Ted Demers. D-E-M-E-R-S. Demers.

Okay. Or Demers, actually, because it's D, small E, big M. So it'd be Demers, I guess. Demers-S. Demers. Okay, or Demers, actually, because it's D, small E, big M. So it would be Demers, I guess. Demers, yeah. Demers. Now, Ted's born in 1958. So Ted's 62 here in 2020. And on May 22, 2020, he's 62.

He's a well-known local woodworker. He's a former Marine. Okay. He's described by everybody as a caring kind of a guy he's a kind of a cut up they say he's the guy he does chaperone trips for kids and he coaches little league and um but he's not like all the kids say he's a hard ass at little league but they all still want to be on his team because he's a good coach and the team wins a lot apparently uh but he chaperones these trips and everybody says like he's like real subversive and he's a good coach and the team wins a lot, apparently. But he chaperones these trips and everybody says he's real subversive and he likes to let the kids do shit that other teachers won't let them do.

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He's also into hunting and kayaking and canoeing. In his 60s, huh? In his 60s. Whenever anyone on our show is into kayaking and canoeing, a bad fate awaits them on our show. It's never good. If we talk about your love of kayaking, you're in deep shit in our show usually.

That's not great. So Ted, he's a woodworker is his trade yeah and he uses that he became an artisan furniture maker started a business called everlasting woods where he makes super cool custom he's amazing at it he's great at it so um he did it he was in an article in the newspaper where uh they said he spoke warmly about his love of his medium and schooled me about patience it takes to make pieces the way he did. He credits his wife, Cindy, with supporting his dream to open a business in their basement and also with keeping him on track as his partner. Quote, she's not afraid to tell me when I'm going the wrong way on something, he said. Okay.

him going the wrong way on something he said okay so he said he would select the right tree oversee how it was cut up at his nephew's sawmill and uh he said each board is a prize wow he like respects and loves wood like he takes each board and caresses it and he's like this is looking at how the fibers grew that's awesome that's the guy you want making your furniture that shit's going to be correct. Yeah. And I bet you he makes a sick kayak, too. Yeah. Yeah. He's not slapping bullshit together.

No. He would let the wood dry naturally for three to five years and wait for its turn for the right design. So he would take wood, get it cut. Fucking years. Dry it all naturally for years and then wait for the right thing he wants to make that fits the pieces of wood he has. Fascinating. He said that he would look at a tree until he pretty much saw what it had to offer as a piece of furniture, a tree. He doesn't call it an oak tree. He calls it an armoire. Yeah, that's a future armoire right there. Hey, Daddy,

what kind of tree is that? Is that cottonwood? I would say an end table. That's a future armoire right there. Hey, Daddy, what kind of tree is that? Is that cottonwood? I would say an end table. That's a future dresser, my dear. That right there is a dorm room coffee table. That is a dorm room computer desk is what we got right there. He said, quote, I like to let the wood do what it's going to do. Okay. I like that. He made a piece of furniture from the wood off the same tree using traditional hand planing.

Wow. So he could hear. He said he liked to hear his Western music without machine noise interference. He likes to play his music while he. I want to build this while Alan Jackson croons me into. I feel like it's better. I feel like he's like while Johnny Cash. You think so? Yeah. He likes Western. he doesn't like country he said western yeah he wants to hear about like you're

sad and you got vd and you had to cut a guy with a you know he's got some merle in the background for sure maybe some early willie yeah i think so i think that's certainly the highwayman or they they have a they have a rotation here will Willie seems like a good guy to carve wood to. Yeah, Chris Christensen too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You betcha. Even some Kenny Rogers, throw in the gambler. Oh, man.

Love will turn this fucking table around. You got to know when to plane it. You got to know when to lathe it. You know what I mean? You got to know when to lathe it you know what i mean you got no way to lathe it oh boy so he likes to let the wood do what it's gonna do he said also he could avoid sandpaper and give the uh figuring a crisper look he said that he had early training from a couple of outrageous older gentlemen who taught him cabinet making and finishing when he was just a young man he said his goal was always a close tolerance quote unquote which means no seams tight joints

looking like it's all one piece and just right. Oh, no tolerance in the wood, like in the change of the joints. Close tolerance. Yeah. He wants everything. He wants it to look like you carved it from one piece of wood, whatever it is. I want it to look like one piece of wood. I want it to look like I watered a fucking cabinet. Yeah, I just watered a rocking chair and it came out of the ground.

That's pretty awesome. Hell yeah. He said there's just endless amounts of trees with imperfections out there waiting to come to the shop. He said that this is the potential for making distinctive pieces out of trees that are kind of fucked up. He said, I used to have to go out to the customer's house and explain to them it's wood. You know, it's wood. And you get things like that. Now people are desiring imperfections.

So they want like a one-off. People want it to look like there's only one of these one-of-a-kind item and not like you got it at Ikea. Not if you bought it on fucking Amazon. Yeah. Back in the day, everybody wanted it to look like it was standard. It came out of a factory. He's like, it's not how it works with real trees. That's not what wood is.

Yeah, that's not how it is. real trees and that's not what wood is yes how it is he said that his company's name was everlasting he said quote i give an everlasting warranty the warranty is forever except it's my lifetime so yeah yeah until i die yeah as long as i'm alive i'll fix it how's that after that it that, I don't know. It's a lifetime warranty. Lifetime? How long does an end table last? No, no. I'm going to die probably around 87-ish. That's what the life expects.

I mean, yeah. I feel good. I'll tell you what. I feel good. I cut out saturated fats out of my diet. I'm feeling like I'm going to make it a while. I'll be honest with you. The doctor says low sodium, but I don't feel it.

So we're good. I don't feel it at all. Yeah. I think my blood pressure is right where it should be. You my daddy had high blood pressure lived to be 92 i feel like you know that's the way it is and that's how long i will make sure this table stays flat till i'm 92 or dead either one so there it is peter here this morning on a friday morning of uh of this day in May here, he is heading. He's on his street. He's on Ted Street.

Ted and Cindy Demers Street. OK, because right next to them is his girlfriend, ex-girlfriend. Oh, yeah. He wants to see a girlfriend lives right next door to Ted and Cindy Demers. So, OK, that's how it goes here. Now, while this is going on, he's walking past this girl's house. I guess he doesn't know her exact house. He knows it's on the street. Seems like he's been there twice and doesn't remember type of thing. Got it.

So he walked past her house. He's wearing a motorcycle helmet. Oh. He does not have a motorcycle, by the way. Like the Wraithith just wearing a helmet that's fucking wild um but also now in addition to that his motorcycle was outside the neighborhood somewhere so he's on foot and in him in a bag sticking out of the bag are what is described as a samurai sword yeah which is insane to be carrying around

a guy on a motorcycle is walking a guy with a motorcycle helmet is walking down the street yeah with a set you couldn't be more conspicuous hi motorcycle giant man with a motorcycle helmet a samurai sword how's it going that is fucking crazy crazy. That's the definition of, oh, lock the doors, honey. There's a guy walking down the street with a motorcycle helmet and a samurai sword. Let's make note of the time we saw him because I feel like we're going to have to testify at a later date. Don't you think? Yeah, we're going to talk about this with somebody else. Yeah.

But, yeah, that's what he did. Anyway, they said he ends up – Ted is outside on his four-wheeler. Oh. And he ends up Ted is outside on his four wheeler and he ends up striking up a conversation with Ted yeah what's up with the knife well he said like hey I know a family on the street is what Peter told him I know of people on the street

I know you know I got a girl I know lives here so I was looking for the house and blah blah blah which immediately he you know Ted was like oh well let me help you then yeah I know lives here. So I was looking for the house and blah, blah, blah, which immediately, um, he, you know, Ted was like, oh, well, let me help you then. Yeah. He's trying to, he's like, oh, a friend of one of my neighbors, you know, motorcycle helmet and samurai sword or not. It's one of my neighbor's friends. Maybe my neighbor was going to buy a samurai sword and a motorcycle helmet from the guy. I don't know. I got, I got weird neighbors evidently. Yeah. Um,

so they don't know though what happened, what they end up saying later is they think that ted quote got in the way of what he was going to do meaning peter he was clearly walking to her home with a mission with a machete or a sword in his backpack he never makes it to this young lady's house though because now he ted offers peter a ride on his four-wheeler he says well let me give you a ride. I'll give you a ride to wherever you want to go. Here, you come to my house, and it's probably right there, and that's how they're going to do it. So he hops on the four-wheeler, and they go by where he left his motorcycle there.

And for some, I don't know what happened, but there is some kind of confrontation that we'll never truly know exactly what happened with. Oh, my God. But for some reason, Ted and this young man get into it. Ted and Peter get into it. I don't know if Peter was saying he was going to do something to this girl or Ted said, no, you're not. Or if I don't know what it is. But Ted, everybody says the friendliest, friendliest cat you're going to meet here. So it had to be something peter said or did ted

didn't just pick him up give him a ride and be like all right fat boy you want to throw down like i don't think let's fight let's fight yeah i get a piece of wood you get your sword i don't think that happened so there is a confrontation and during this confrontation uh peter takes out his samurai sword and literally hacks ted to pieces out on the sidewalk not in the front yard hacks him to pieces in the front yard i mean when he's found in a minute by a neighbor who hears the commotion and runs up uh he has a severed right hand. His right hand is not on his body anymore. Oh my God. The flesh of his tricep is just dangling off of his body by a small thread. His left thumb and index finger are chopped completely off in another direction. And there are huge and multiple giant chopping lacerations to his head and back.

Oh, my. He just samurai sorted this man with all he had. Of the strength of a large athletic young man, took every ounce he had and used it to hack the fuck out of this guy. For nothing, really. No reason. Yeah, they just met. There's really a very few things that could make someone that you just met make you want to kill them i mean you know

other than in a car driving all right you want to but you don't you know all all bets are off while you're driving but yeah just face to face yeah apart from holding up a hand and having six fingers and yeah meeting inigo montoya any ideas there aren't many other uh reasons to want to kill somebody the only reason i could think is if you met a guy and he said hey cute daughter mind if a finger that'd be the only way i could imagine sort of hacking her up packing him up with a fucking samurai so hey cute daughter she for sale yeah something like that would be awful. So that's what's going on here. He's hacking this man to death.

And as he's hacking him to death, an 80-year-old neighbor hears the commotion and runs up. Yeah. His name is John Franco, not the relief pitcher for the left-handed relief pitcher for many, many years in the major leagues. Not him. No, a different John Franco. 80 years old, this John Franco is here. He runs up and hears all this going on. By the way, Mr. Ted is killed, obviously, and the medical examiner will later call it sharp force and chop injuries of the head with sharp force injuries of the torso and extremities. So he chopped and stabbed him with a samurai sword.

Is it that or is it that it severed his fucking artery in his arm and he bled to death? Well, no, he chopped his head too. I think the other stuff. Jesus Christ. He could have survived that? That was probably defensive. He probably put his hands up to block it and he chopped and got his hands and his fingers and sharp. Jesus.

Yeah, that is wild. So, wow. The neighbor, John Franco, as he was driving past the neighbor's house, saw something sticking out of the top. This is before Franco had been come home and passed Peter on the road and saw a sword sticking out of the top of his backpack. And the neighbor got concerned and said, who the hell is this stranger walking around with a motorcycle helmet and a sword? And then a few minutes later, he heard an awful shrieking sound. Fuck. So John Franco runs over.

He had worked in finance. He's a Navy veteran. He went back to school after retirement and was learning to speak italian at 80 really yeah he liked playing golf and doing shit with his hands and he was building stone walls around the property at the time franco franco 80 years old so he's an active 80 year old he's not getting after it jesus christ bed here he comes over to try to i don't know get in the middle of this situation if you it's wow just that's brave to run over yeah when you see someone getting hacked up by a young guy with a samurai sword and in the middle of it yeah i'm more familiar with my neighbors than you are but uh

doesn't mean that if i saw him getting hacked i'd go fucking save him i'll call 9-1-1 i'll call the police as far as i'm going yeah other than that i don't want him to know anybody's home this is crazy yeah i don't want that guy yeah i don't want that guy to know that somebody just saw that yeah now he's gonna come after me too and that's what happens he immediately turns his venom onto franco and starts hacking at him with the samurai sword as well at an 80 year oldyear-old? At an 80-year-old. Now Franco, lucky for him, loses his balance while trying to avoid being hit with a samurai sword

and falls into some hemlock trees. So normally that wouldn't be great to be all tangled up in trees, but when a man's trying to attack you with a sword, it's actually pretty helpful because the blades are hitting tree branches left and right instead of you. that's what happens uh he will be horribly maimed don't get me wrong but he'll he will survive this attack this 80 year old somehow yeah um it's absolutely incredible um the the wife the neighbor's wife said she this you know a husband must have heard all of this shit so she came over and her and i guess cynthia uh cindy the ted's wife found both men lying on the ground yeah she said gone yeah she

said she came home uh the the wife said she was away from home and when she came back she came home to crime scene tape and all that kind of shit so she said she was away from home and when she came back she came home to crime scene tape and all that kind of shit so she said that was a peaceful haven until that day she said it's been a nice wonderful neighborhood all you hear is the stillness and the birds and to have it broken up by something like this is so tragic yeah the quiet isn't really what i'm concerned with uh i think she should use the word quiet rather than peaceful when rather than an old man yeah pieces of a man are on the ground don't use the word peace peace yeah there's pieces everywhere so he survived john franco will survive the attack uh his wife said his hands are the worst he had

other injuries that needed stitching he had to have things reattached on his hands though jesus defensive wounds uh she because this is may of 2020 is not able to go to the hospital and see him because of COVID. No one else was allowed in the hospital. So she's been only able to speak with him for about three minutes each day. She said, my impression is he had no clue what he was getting into. Yeah. He just was like, oh, what's going on over there? And wandered over there.

Next thing you know, there's a kid swinging a sword at him. She said, as for Peter, she doesn't know who it is yet. But as for the young man who did this, she said, I don't want him killed. I pray, pray, pray that he does not kill anybody else either. So. Okay. That's awfully. Awfully kind of her.

So Ted's wife said about five minutes after she saw her husband uh drive away a neighbor drove up alerting her to the incident after she saw her you know drive the the four-wheeler away uh she found her husband lying on the ground with the injuries she said she spoke with her husband one last time before the ambulance took her took him away he couldn't respond though he was too injured to respond so where the hell peter go good question he's gone before the cops get there he sped off on his motorcycle they described it as a red sport motorcycle the neighbor described it as a crotch rocket obviously yeah it's a it's a honda they said that motorcycle, though, that they're looking for is then found at about 1245 p.m. that day, abandoned on Old Town Road in Willington. Okay. About five miles from the crime scene.

And that is how they even figured out what was going on because they said, whose motorcycle is this? Check the registration. It's registered to Peter. Now they're looking for Peter because they had heard red motorcycle. There's a red motorcycle. This must be the guy who was riding it. Good point. So,

or they, someone could have stole it from him, whatever. But when they look up his DMV shit, they see he fits the description. They'd like to have a chit chat with him at least here. So we want to find the owner of this motorcycle. Let's find out.

Absolutely. So they said also a white motorcycle helmet was also located nearby. here so we want to find the owner of this motorcycle uh let's find out absolutely so they said also a white motorcycle helmet was also located nearby as was a dark shirt with chinese lettering and the words world peace on it how can you wear a shirt that says world peace while you hack two fucking men to near one elderly man the one to death with a fucking sword that is retirement age men yeah you're not you well you're playing fucking shinobi over here like what the hell's going on what's happening you can't do lettering that says and world peace on it world peace the shirt was found in a stream and they thought it appeared as though it was an attempt made to wash the shirt in the water, get the blood off of it.

So it was a shirt he was wearing at the time? Yeah. He tried to wash it. It's all bloody. He tried to wash it in the water and just left it there when the blood wouldn't come off. It's too much blood. Yeah. So he left this.

He also leaves, by the way, at the scene of the motorcycle, his cell phone, his wallet, not going to be tracked or identified. Leaves everything behind. Interesting. Other belongings and spends the next several hours in a swamp. Hmm. Because he knew that authorities were using canines to track him. Okay.

So the smell down there will throw him off. A swamp. Yeah. You're in the water. So it's harder for them to track you if you hang out in a swamp. But you have to hang out in a swamp to do that. There's snakes. That is the negative part.

Nasty things. Even in Connecticut, there's poisonous snakes. Yeah. Water moccasins and shit. The bugs are crazy. Oh, the bugs alone. Yeah. But there's some shit that lives in the water that you don't want to bite you yeah so a search later on of his apartment uncovered a box

of shirts identical to each other containing the same design as the t-shirt found in the stream he ordered these several of the bottom in bulk like he ordered them like make me 20 of these or some shit wow yeah those are the shirts i don't know if he's gonna give them out or what but they found a cell phone wallet in his wallet his driver's license is there everything in close proximity like he just got off the bike and just went in his pockets and dropped shit as he picked it up and walked away so yeah they said that um fucking wow um she the the girl he was going to see the young lady he was going to see his ex-girlfriend or whatever said she had last seen him on April 25th and that she had stopped seeing him after she learned on May 18th that he had managed to hack into her social media accounts in April. What the fuck, man? Yeah, so he was a jealous lunatic about that. And, yeah, so another person who was from the same household as the ex-girlfriend told the police that they had been discussing getting a restraining order against Peter, actually, so he couldn't come to the house.

And it says that through investigative efforts, Peter has been associated with numerous law enforcement investigations to include suicide and homicidal ideation. That's what they said there. Now, word spreads around this tiny town pretty quick of a nice guy that everyone knows being hacked to death in public with a samurai sword. That's going to get around. Fast, I imagine. Pretty quick. He lost his tricep in his front yard. Yeah.

Yeah. There's fingers and hands and shit out there. Huge stuff is going on. This is Friday morning, May 22nd on Myrtle Road. So people are going off. There was ambulance sirens, a fucking Lifestar helicopter. Oh, God. People see that going.

Crime scene tape, all sorts of shit going on. More than two hours would pass before police would release any details about what happened. What? More than two hours would pass before police would release any details about what happened what more than two hours would pass that is terrifying because the people around there it's obviously not safe you got a guy two hours uh head start yeah with nobody knowing shit that's danger for anybody within a two-hour radius absolutely he left the sword behind by the way oh that's good with the scabbard it came in as well okay uh one of the a willington resident named scott anderson said he learned of the crime from a family friend who saw someone post about it on facebook as they heard about it from someone else before the cops had announced it yeah what is this the cancer diagnosis don't put that on facebook he, I just can't understand how the state police wouldn't believe that the other people would be in danger from this individual, given what he had just done, killed random strangers.

I live a quarter to a half mile through the woods from where the incident on Myrtle Road happened. My daughter was in the front yard in a hammock doing her homework. He had fled on foot. He could have been at my house in less than 10 minutes. Yeah, but she's not an 80-year-old man, so he probably wouldn't bother with her. Who knows? Well, we'll find out. All right. The first information released to the public went out at 11.38 a.m.

in the form of social media posts to Twitter and the state police Facebook page. That's how they're telling people? That's how it happens now. Yeah, nobody watches TV. It's not like you can put it on the radio. No one's listening to that. That's how they're telling people? That's how it happens now. Yeah, nobody watches TV. It's not like you can put it on the radio. No one's listening to that. That's a great point. Yeah, other if you could put it on like a murder podcast,

maybe that would work. Yeah, yeah. Broadcast. But that's not in real time. That's not in real time. It said, armed and dangerous, be on the lookout. Red sport-type motorcycle operator was wearing a white multicolor helmet and dark clothing

last seen leaving the scene of a serious assault on myrtle road if seen call 9-1-1 do not approach that is a great point now that everything is so on your phone one way or another that's the only way you can get things because i i don't get mine i i get my news the next day like i i read things up i watched yesterday some fucking streaming service news channel i don't watch i don't i'm not looking at twitter anymore i don't know how the fuck if something dangerous happens i'm in a lot of fucking trouble people used to always have their radios on or people at home back in the day would have the local news on their tv in 1985 or whatever but But in 2020, it's actually harder to get information out. It sure is.

It actually is because people are more, they're just more fragmented in where they get the information. Right. So it's difficult. So the police, the residents are still pissed off at the police. The state police did not respond to a request for a comment by the newspaper and said they told the residents they had struggled with how much information to release fearing that peter was monitoring social media yeah so by the way a month later this guy this anderson guy said his daughter still won't go lay in the hammock in the

front yard anymore she's afraid of getting hacked up by a samurai sword never never saw a sword never saw the man uh but still still just the opportunity that it could have happened. I will never get in another hammock. Never get a hammock is ruined for me. Spring day, nice breeze? I don't think so. Not for me. Not for me.

Clouds are gathering. I don't like it. There's a guy with a sword in the bushes. I know it. I know it. It's going to happen, which it is possible. The police, they release a statement calling it an isolated incident okay yep they said although this appears to be an isolated incident we're asking everyone to just remain vigilant there's

no reason to believe that anyone in the surrounding neighborhood is in any type of imminent harm why would you say that i would say there's reason to believe literally anybody he encounters could be an imminent harm anybody for no reason we don't know where the fuck he is and everybody's in danger that's a problem but we're asking that the neighboring public to remain vigilant um they said isolated incident is the what police typically use when a crime or incident involves people who are known to each other if you kill your wife they go isolated incident because that's usually not the start of a crime spree that's one person you're mad at if you know you kill right the target's been identified and also uh neutralized so yeah he's probably not mad anymore

he's probably now desperate and running you kill your father you you know that that's who he's mad at he killed his father so that's what they're thinking there. So they think, but that wasn't the case with Adam Lonzo, though. Think about that. So family here. Excellent point. Yeah. Family here.

A spokesperson, Randy Calabresi, a spokeswoman for the family of the, oh, okay, okay. Oh, no, I'm sorry. She's a spokesperson for the ex-girlfriend's family. She said they're heartbroken by this tragedy, saddened, wouldn't even encapsulate what they're feeling. It's a scary situation. It's senseless. The family obviously wants justice served in this case,

and they said that the case highlights the need for identification of mental health problems and proactive steps to prevent senseless deaths. Okay. So, May 23rd, 2020, the next morning, he's been just, who knows. Still on the road. In the woods, in the swamps. 5.15 a.m. Early.

Early. There's a man named Donald Hipsky, H-I-P-S-K-Y. Hipsky. Yeah. He's 73 years old, Mr. Hipsky. What the fuck, man? Okay. Well, Peter entered his house by climbing into the garage using a ladder before cutting

a hole in the door that led into the residence. What? Yeah. He did all this at 5.15 in the morning, this kid. Nobody heard it? Nobody heard it. Was anybody in the house? Yeah, Hipsky. at 5 15 in the morning this kid didn't nobody heard it nobody in the house he yeah hipsky he's asleep in the house he didn't hear somebody so that's a big house that's a big house well he is woken up abruptly donald hipsky at 5 15 a.m uh quote to a male with a gun to the back of his neck and shouting at him not to turn around or he would blow his fucking brains out that's fun to wake up to my god i'd have a heart attack now if that happened how do

the hell this guy 73 not just go and fucking fall over i'll save you the time jesus are you kidding me i wake up in the morning and i feel pretty good and then it takes me till i have to till i drink coffee to get to get shit going and i feel like i wouldn't need that coffee no you'd be i think it would be all over my bed yeah you'd be ready to run a marathon i would shit for sure uh hipsky said he had this blank look on his face i hadn't seen a picture of the murder suspect yet on the news, but I was thinking it was probably him. It's probably the guy. Maybe the guy here. Yeah.

He said that at this point, he looked to him as if Peter had spent a lot of time in the woods. He had burrs and shit all over the leaves. He said, I saw a young white man in his early 20s who's dressed in a black T-shirt and black sweatpants that appeared soiled like he'd been in the woods and he was barefoot. He had a blank look on his face. And at this point, he has a real interesting next 24 hours as Peter takes him into his own basement. Oh, God. Ties him to a chair with zip ties and duct tape. Yep yep and he's got him to a chair holding the gun to him and he's sitting there but he's real friendly to this guy for some reason to donald really i don't know if donald didn't struggle or what the fuck the deal was but

he bound him up and then he asked donald he turned to him and he said what do you like to put on tv what do you like to watch on tv like i'll put like to watch on TV? Like, I'll put on whatever you want. Yeah. So then he put a movie on. He said, oh, well, that's on. I'll watch that. And he said, all right. They went through the guide together like a married couple at fucking nine o'clock trying to figure it out.

I saw that last week. I don't know. I don't want to see that. I hate that guy. Really? I think he's a dick. Did you hear what he did to that one? Oh, I didn't know he did that.

Okay. Well, yeah, he's an asshole. Fuck that guy. That's the conversation. And then hear what he did to that one? Oh, I didn't know he did that. Okay. Well, yeah, he's an asshole. Fuck that guy. That's the conversation. And then they decide on a movie here. Okay. So he tells Hipsky that his name is Rick. Hey, I'm Rick, he says.

Huh. So, I mean, he's already holding him at gunpoint. I guess a little lie isn't too much here. Is his name Rick Peter or Peter Rick? Yeah, Peter Rick. He then, Donald gets him to talk about himself. He starts talking to him, just like, hey, where are you from? What are you up to?

He gets him. What do you do for work? What do you do for fun? This, I hope. Does some front row crowd work. Yeah, that's what he's doing. Donald's been watching TikTok. He knows what's good.

Where are you from? You two married? First date? What are we talking about? He's been watching a lot of tiktok that's your mom is that right that's how you'd be a comedian huh you just go on stage and ask people shit and then look at them and then look at them like they're crazy when they answer and then use a stock line that you've used every night for the last 30 fucking nights and then put

it on tiktok like it's fresh and you just thought isn't isn't comedy hard hack fucks no it's not it's very easy yes don't if you ever see heck fucking heckler destroyed by comedian that is a comedian who put that on there that is a comedian who created that he put he talked to a person in the audience for five seconds and it's the same shit he said is every night it's not and it's not it's still not funny tonight nope still not funny tonight. Nope, still not funny tonight. So Hipsky says that Peter smiled when he talked about motorcycles. Love motorcycles. Oh, great.

Oh, I could fucking get out of this one. Yeah, this is going to be great. So a news report comes on showing a picture of Peter and describing the events of the previous day. Why'd I have to watch the news? Why'd I pick this? Why'd I pick this? You asked me what I wanted. I said, you know what? Turn on that channel five.

Why didn't I pick Mr. Mom? I like the one with the perky tits they have on at six. I like her. The blonde one. Put her on. Shit. Shit. So imagine Donald's eyes widening as he's fucking hearing all the shit that happened

then at that point peter went okay i'm that guy obviously i mean clearly i'm that guy it's yeah no i'm not rick obviously hey i got something to admit to you which is funny i got a question yeah why they keep calling you peter what's up with peter which is still funny that peter at this point after hacking up two old men he believes to death, at least one has died now and he's tied another elderly man to a fucking chair in his own home and all this, he still has enough social contract in him to be like, all right, yeah, that's me. You know what I mean? I'm not going to lie to you anymore.

Isn't that weird? What a weird thing to do. That's how awkward peter feels at this moment he's probably i mean somebody on tv is calling him on all of his bullshit right to his face and he can't interrupt them and stop them from talking yeah so he's probably at that point just like all right look they're saying all the true stuff listen all right let me level with you uh donald then said i asked him if he wanted to talk about what took place with the murder and he told me that he haven't hadn't slept for five days and

then he just flipped oh my god hadn't slept for five days by the way this is not drug induced either this is hasn't hadn't slept before the killing this Before this for five days. Oh, my. That sounds like a severe manic episode. Like a next level five days of no sleep, freaking out, writing on your fucking walls, running out and chopping people up with a samurai sword is some serious manic fucking behavior, I would say. The furthest I've gone is two days, and that will, two days will fuck your head up. You'll start seeing fucking cartoon characters after two years. I found Nemo. That's not a great thing. Nemo, your mom's dead.

I'm so sorry about it. I'm so sorry about that. Who are you talking to? He said he didn't know why he did it and that he was remorseful for it. Okay. This is good for Donald. This is good for Donald. He's getting him to open up a little bit.

So then Donald said, hey, why don't we call the cops? You're remorseful for it. And, you know, let's let bygones be bygones. And you can't live here forever. Obviously, they're going to find you. So why don't you call the cops? He said he was careful, though, shredding around Peter because he doesn't know his mental state. Number one.

And he said, quote, there were things that he wouldn't talk talk about so he wasn't trying to force him into talking about shit yeah so he heard about the killing the funny thing is before this not really funny but not not really funny if you know what i mean funny strange donald had heard about the murders earlier before this happened before he went to sleep and took steps to secure his home. Extra steps. Except for that circular saw next to the fucking door. Except for a, there was a ladder outside that Peter used to crawl up into the crawl space

of the garage and he came down through the storage and then fucking saw it open the door. That's, that's, you don't expect that though. I bet there's a, that's very creative. Yeah. If you really i bet there's a that's very creative yeah if you really want to get into a house there's always a way into a house unless it's like yeah but the door between the door between the garage and the house has to be fireproof so it's thick as fuck so if something if you're sawing through that that's making some goddamn noise good on you donald that you sleep so sound he might have also sawed off the knob possibly or something there you go i don't know how he sawed it yeah yeah we're not sure

about that that's not that's not said but he actually took he locked all his doors he locked all his windows and had his gun at the ready next to his bed had a boy had it all well yeah that a boy it didn't matter though because he was. Except for that pesky part where Donald sleeps like a fucking baby. The problem is if you're sleeping and someone comes in semi-quietly, you're in deep shit because you can't shoot anyone if you're unconscious. Obviously, people have come in the room while I've been sleeping and I didn't wake, but it's not many times. Yeah, you're a light sleeper. I've been sleeping and I and I didn't wake. But it's not many times. Yeah.

You're like if the temperature in the room changes just by a little bit and it could be somebody's body temperature. Fuck. I'm awake, man. Yeah. It drives me nuts. I hate it so much. No shit. So that's fucking crazy.

So he then says, quote, I suggested that we call the authorities and work something out for him okay okay he said he was calm and apologetic but couldn't explain why it why he did it i asked him how old the guy was that he got into the confrontation with and he said he wasn't that old well one of them was 80 so he's there's no way you look like a 62 you could think oh he's probably in his 50s yeah in good shape it's a you know virile guy there's no way you see an 80 year old and go he's not that old he's fucking 80 how old's donald 73 yeah because i want to go how old am i am i am i around about my age am i in danger right now because you seem to like fucking up old men and i'm 73 jesus christ you don't have that sword anymore do you right he said he couldn't believe

that he could do that but then his demeanor switched immediately so yeah he said that he asked peter then if he wanted to talk about what took place again. And he said that he didn't know why he did it. He's remorseful for it. After a second suggestion to turn himself in, Peter quote, made it clear that that wasn't an option. Oh boy. He told me he was going to have two good weeks.

And then he figured he would, it would end in either a shootout, the death penalty or life in prison. But he's going to try to squeeze an extra two good weeks out of this. Two good weeks of living in a swamp and tying up elderly people in their basements. I need a fortnight vacation. Just need a little break. He said, the tone of the conversation changed and Peter seemed irritated,

so I didn't push things any further. So he went back to the couch and we continued to watch movies on TV. Okay. Jesus Christ. he stays over that night peter does jesus this guy's in the chair the whole time oh oh fuck so stays over that night peter made dinner for himself and he ate it he cooked he offered fucking donald when we were making something and donald said no i'm. I'm not really that hungry. I mean, I can't really eat much. My hands are fucking duct taped to a chair.

At least they weren't cut off by samurai swords, I suppose. But he said, no, I'm good. Peter did provide a drink for the man so he could take his medications. He said, I got to take my pills. And Peter went and got him his pills and put them in his mouth and gave him a drink and did all that shit. Very nice. He says the man believes he fell asleep around 11 p.m. Saturday night. He said he woke up, Donald did, at 2 a.m. on Sunday morning, and he said Peter was up

already and seemed to be getting his things ready for the day. He just doesn't sleep. 2 a.m. He showered, he shaved, he changed into clean clothes. Wow. He just did a whole big deal here. Peter tightened a clothesline that he was keeping the man tied to the chair that he was in at that point. After having a good rapport the previous day, he said now Peter's, quote, whole demeanor was different and it was all business with him.

He's tightening up my shit. There was no, what can I get you anything? What do you like on TV? That was all gone. He said the blank stare of when he first got there returned. He's tightening up my shit. There was no, what can I get you anything? What do you like on TV? That was all gone. He said the blank stare of when he first got there returned. Yeah, it's a man that in the middle of the night becomes a fucking monster because he can't sleep. And so it's writing and doing wild shit. Peter indicated, I'm going to be taken off.

And I told him that, quote, he's going to be watching me. He's going to be watching you. Yeah. And he said, if I made any movements or squirmed, there would be serious consequences. Peter told the man to stay still, and if no one found him by 10 a.m. that morning, that he would call the state police at noontime and tell them that he was down there. I'll tell them you're down here, so you don't fucking die down here, obviously. At that point, though, he steals guns from the man. Yeah.

Ammo, cash, credit cards, food, and his truck. And his truck. An F-150. Takes that, too. Oh, damn it. Took the man's Ford. This guy Donald said he remembered hearing the engine of his pickup truck start outside of his house. That was around 5.15 a.m.

And he said he knows that because he saw the time on his cable box, which is right in front of him there. He said that was the last time he remembers seeing or hearing anything about Peter at that point. Okay. So Peter's not done yet by a long shot, by the way. He's got a whole lot more to do. He then drives to the town of derby on sunday morning yeah crashes the pickup truck really crashes that out and if you haven't slept for six days you're not going to be that great a driver probably yeah just no rain or anything just fucking crashed behind the wheel made it across the state on a motorcycle after no sleep for five days but

now he's having a problem here he crashes it and it's crashed near a friend of his house that he knows a friend that he knew from newtown named nicholas uh easel e-i-s-e-l or i'm sorry e-i-s-e-l-e i sell a sell a sell Nick, everybody calls him. Nicholas John Asell. He's born in 1997. Same age, 23 years old as our guy. Grew up with him. Knew him a little bit from Newtown.

So he walks to his house because he knows it's nearby. Oh, gosh. You know, there you go. Now, at his house with him, with Nick, is Nick's girlfriend, Shannon Spies, or Spies, S-P-I-E-S. No one has an easy name to pronounce this entire story. And I've heard it pronounced differently on multiple news broadcasts, too. That's what drove me nuts also. And the only time I've ever seen that last name, it was not pronounced that way.

It was just Spies, right? Yeah, Spies, yeah. So maybe that's the way it is. So they knew each other nick and pete uh here knew each other from their time at newtown high school and through what they what was described by others as marijuana transactions all right sold weed back and forth they were fun weed together yeah they hung out um this guy by the way he had seen the news of peter out on the loose and had locked all of his doors and all that kind of shit the day before.

And even the girlfriend, Shannon, called her parents to make sure to tell her mom that they locked all the doors and that they're safe. Yeah. Now, Shannon woke up that morning to a commotion coming from the other the other room and hearing someone yell relax and calm down okay this is 5 45 a.m peter had burst into the home apparently somehow and she could hear nick yelling um for pete to calm down and then he shouts it it's Peter Manfredonia, call 911, to Shannon. He shouts out, okay? Outside her bedroom door, though, she got up and saw that Nick is in a standoff with Peter for some reason here.

And so they're like, holy shit. So apparently she goes to call 911. She has her phone. And Peter rips the phone out of her hands and starts starts then wrestling with Nick because Nick then tries to stop him from hurting his girlfriend. Right. So now there's a big scuffle over a phone. There's guns involved. This is a fucking mess. this is a fucking mess um uh they said it was uh it was like peter was trying to come after her and nick tried to stop him is what they found out later on so as they fought in the bedroom

they're wrestling these two are wrestling around peter and nick she went and quote curled up into a ball near the front door which is not helpful for anybody either run and get help or fucking jump in and help do something just learned a lot about her grab a fucking frying pan no i know for a fact if that's sarah she's getting the she's getting the machete that she keeps by her side of the bed and she is fucking a hacking away at and we're going to town on this guy together for a fact but yeah i don't know this is one of those things if you wake up at 5 45 and this is going on you're probably in shock actually now we're joking around about it but in reality i don't know what you would do in this situation but help fuck oh god jesus in that situation though

if you're if you're significant other whether it be your boyfriend or your girlfriend if they curl up and just give up oh my god we're in a lot of trouble. This is not good. So, yeah, like I said, run out the front door, call the neighbors for help, or jump in. Do what you got to do. Do something, though. Don't do nothing. Grab that heavy fucking cast iron frying pan from under the cabinet there. Grab your fucking purse.

Grab a high heel. You got a high heel around? Fucking anything. One of those wooden heel shoes. Do something. Don't do nothing so she curled up seconds later after curling up by the door she hears gunshots oh jesus and looks up and sees nick motionless on the floor she then screamed at the top of her lungs in hopes of alerting the downstairs neighbor there's a neighbor downstairs

yes this is if a gunshot didn't do it that's what i'm saying gonna do it a scuffle with a 240 pound man and another guy above you would number one i would hear that then a gunshot then a woman scream at the top of her lungs holy shit i mean you would think the swat teeth would be on their fucking way right if their response is keep it down i'm sleeping banging a broom on the ceiling like an old timey old lady keep it down up there um wow the woman screamed at the top of her lungs and hoping and peter shouted at her to shut up and pointed the gun at her. So she asked Peter to call to get medical help for Nick. Please, just call 911. You can leave and just call 911. Tell them to get medical help.

Peter's response, and this is cold as can be, he says to her, quote, no, he's dead. I shot him in the head. Oh, boy. So she freaks out again, again obviously as any normal person would and then she is silenced by peter again who still had the gun in his hand he told her he shot her in the head and that's all we're gonna do here then he takes he came here because i believe i'm not that this is alleged i'm not sure but he knows that there's a lot of cash in this house okay now if they met up for a second yeah that's probably yeah that seems like a lot of cash in this house okay now if they met up for that's probably yeah that seems

like a possibly allegedly he might be selling weed or what i i'm not besmirching the dead here yeah i don't fucking care at least that's peter's idea that's what he assumes yeah so you know what if he was more power to him i'm sad i didn't know him because maybe he had good shit you know what i'm saying so and close enough by to where we can get something. Could have drove over there. It's an hour and change. But at this point, he goes through and finds somewhere between $5,000 and $7,000 in cash in the house. Jesus. Which is a good amount of cash.

It's near the living room table and also demands the keys to their black Volkswagen Jetta as well. Yeah, because I just crashed a Ford. I'm on foot. Gotta get some. She gives him the keys, and he said, oh, no, no, no, you're coming with me. Drive. Gets her in the front seat. He sits in the back with a fucking gun and makes her drive like a movie. And this motherfucker can stay awake.

For days. Yeah. He's not going gonna fall asleep back there so he does he forces her to drive while he holds the gun in his hand and um yeah drive towards she he said drive me and it's toward newtown where you know he grew up she took mostly back roads heading west on route 34 then on to route 111 and Route 25 through Newtown. She said she was driving erratically in an attempt to get stopped by the cops. Maybe if I drive like I'm drunk, they'll pull me over and then that'll be helpful.

Or you're going to get some cop shot, one of the two. Several times she contemplated driving into a tree. Oh. I have an airbag. He's in the back seat. Launch him through the front window fuck yeah uh or at one point she said maybe i'll just drive right to the new town police department i'll just drive literally into the front door station literally just plow into that bitch i'm here like airplane just coming in with the fucking she's she's contemplating all the ideas that would ruin a chase movie or a kidnap movie.

And none of these are good ideas. But they're decent ideas, actually. Are they? I don't know. None of them are going to survive any of them. Well, if you run into the front door of a police station, the entire police force is going to come outside. Yeah, but the first person getting shot is her. Maybe.

Or he gets out and runs because there's a shitload of cops. Right, right, right. You run into a tree. Heath goes through the windshield. You go into the airbag. getting shot is her maybe or he gets out and runs because there's a shitload of cops right right you run into a tree he goes through the windshield you go into the airbag you get out run away he's fucking got glass in his forehead you know what i mean these are you get pulled over by the cops maybe he gives up i think that's the best one yeah that or running into the police station i think is a good one too that's not so bad that's not running into the tree is bad because she could kill herself too which is not smart so um she said she didn't though she decided not to crash the vehicle because peter had a seat belt on so she's like he's gonna be fine back there yeah and he's smart so he's yeah eventually he ordered her to drive

south didn't know where she had no clue where she's going. As she drove, he detailed the last 36 hours of what he's been doing to her. Which would only serve to terrify this poor girl twice as much, I would imagine. Hey, remember that guy you watched me murder? It ain't the only one. That's fucking crazy.

Tied up an old man in a basement and hacked up an old man to, I think two to death. Did they say only one died? Well, I think one. I don't know. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy.

Talked about everything, the home invasion, the manhunt. So she drove into New York and then into New Jersey as Peter held the handgun between his legs and often repeated, quote, I don't want to have to kill you. Okay. handgun between his legs and often repeated quote i don't want to have to kill you okay so then she says that um he told her during the drive that the uh two men he attacked in willington weren't they we didn't mean to do that they weren't his he didn't go there to hurt some two old men he said to her the guy on the four-wheeler was not the intended target and the other guy just got in the way that's what he told her not the intended target um seven hours later he told her drop me off at this new jersey truck stop and let her go really he fucking let her go yeah let her go off Just let her drive away. Dropped her off at a truck stop near the Pennsylvania border where he held an Uber with the help of a bystander, a third party because he had no phone.

He left. By the way, he also left Shannon with $200 for gas money. To get back? He busted her off a couple hundred and was like, hey, you're far away. You're going to need gas money and like, you know, stop at McDonald you know i'm stopping i mean i stole this from your boyfriend so get yourself something nice this is one minute i'm gonna hack you with a sword the next minute what do you want to watch on tv the next minute well i'm gonna want to have to kill you the next minute well i want to make sure you can get some lunch like this is what is the word probably oh bipolar i believe

yeah certainly sick sick and then he likely colloquially wheelway all right likely paid Oh, bipolar, I believe would be the word for this. Certainly sick. And then he likely paid cash to somebody to call an Uber for him. Oh, yeah. He had to have. Yeah, I'll give you, what's the ride worth? 50? I'll give you 100. I don't have my phone.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whatever bullshit story you get. So a few hours here, a few hours after all this, the Derby police find the pickup truck. Yeah. And Nick's father had been trying to contact his son that morning and couldn't. Then they found this pickup truck right nearby. Yeah. That was from the guy they held captive. They put one one on one together here.

guy they held captive they put one one-on-one together here and uh the father calls 9-1-1 after he goes to the apartment to check on his son quote when he arrived he found his son on the floor in a pool of blood oh my god yeah so they're looking for peter uh like right back where we were in the beginning he in the poconos uh they're looking for him. They're looking for him everywhere. East Stroudsburg. Then he went, they believe he's to be, they think he's armed with pistols and shotguns, by the way. Both. This isn't going to end well.

Yeah, the Pennsylvania State Police are looking, as we said, with helicopters. Surveillance photo released shows that he was wearing dark-colored shorts, a white t-shirt, and carrying a large duffel bag. Cindy Demers, the Ted's wife, said that she that her husband saw him walking on offered him a ride. That's what happened. She said they reached the end of the road and then something happened.

It could have been anybody who offered him a ride. It could have been any of my neighbor's husbands. It just happened to be mine. What if he said something like, I'm going over there to hurt her? Yeah, or something like that. And he said, no, don't do that. The fucking hero is like, no, you're not.

Yeah, or we'll talk about the other thing that he possibly had planned. This is what he says afterwards. We don't know. So they said that the state police were called to the home in Willington and the man had reported being held against his will uh this is mr donald here this man then left with food several guns

and the man's truck which then they found abandoned near new haven here so then they found nick dead in his home when they uh eventually get the 2016 black vol Jetta back with the girl in it, with Shannon Spivey, the girl, the woman in it there. She, I guess, called from a rest stop near Patterson, New Jersey. Wow. Called the cops. She wasn't physically hurt. they received, the police received, state troopers received a call from Derby police saying that an abandoned Ford F-150 truck was near Osbournedale State Park. The vehicle was registered to a man who lived about a mile from where the motorcycle was ditched in Willington. Okay.

So after trying to reach the man by phone and knocking on his door, troopers finally forced their way into Donald's home here, the 73-year-old, and found him tied to a chair in the basement. Because that motherfucker never called? He never called the cops. You son of a bitch. Donald trusted you. That son of a bitch sat there all fucking day again.

Wow. This poor bastard. So at that point, they were looking for the 2012 Hyundai Santa Fe with Pennsylvania plates KYW 1650 that was stolen around 9 p.m. They said they haven't connected Peter to the theft, but they was taken from the area where he was last seen on video. So his family begs for him to turn himself in. They put out public pleas. A lawyer for the family, the lawyer for the family,

put out a statement saying that he's going good he's gonna turn himself in he needs to he has no outdoor survival training he's not a guy that lives in the woods he doesn't know what he's doing out there no he came in with looking like shit with no shoes on after four hours in the swamp like the guys he's not made for that shit at all he's an engineering student already abandoned outdoors yeah he's like fuck that that's not gonna work investigators have followed the trail of peter through new jersey and pennsylvania um now they're in hagerstown maryland talking about that and the attorney michael dolan is the family attorney he said the family's worried for the well-being of peter okay yeah they said

police have received dozens of tips and all this type of thing. And he said, you won't be surprised to hear that Peter has struggled with mental health issues over the past several years. He sought the help of a number of therapists, and he's had the support of his parents and loved ones to help him through. Then he said, this is to Peter out there, quote, you are loved. Your parents, your sisters, the entire family loves you. Nobody wants any harm to come for you. Peter, from your parents your sisters the entire family loves you nobody wants any harm to come for you peter from your parents we love you please turn yourself in that's the right answer but uh peter you fucking asshole what do you what you've got to say is the first thing but you want to say hey pete what the fuck pete you're fucking it all up, Pete. Pete, no. Jesus Christ.

Pete, I'm going to buy a summer home from trying to keep you out of prison for the rest of your life. This is going to be something, Pete. Pete, your mom's 401k is buying me a house. Oh, boy. The police also beg him to turn himself in. Connecticut State Police Lieutenant John Aiello issued a message directly to him. He said, quote, Peter, we're talking to your friends and your roommates. All of them have said the same thing, that this behavior is out of the ordinary for you.

We know this is not who you are, Peter. I want you to know that we are continuing our investigation. One thing we're missing right now is you. We want you to be able to tell your story. We're here to listen. I want you to be able to tell us how it was self-defense that you killed a 62-year-old man with a samurai sword. We also want you to tell it to a judge afterwards. He'll tell you where you can stick that story.

Yeah, tell it to a jury, and then it'll be a whole different thing. He said, please call 911 and turn yourself in, and we assure you if you do, you're going to be safe. No one's going to be safe no one's going to hurt you he said your parents your friends all of us back in connecticut want a peaceful end to this your family has hired an attorney on your behalf and your life will be safeguarded yeah and i say all of this into a camera knowing that none of this has ever worked in the history of any of this. No, it's never going to happen. May 27th, 2020. Three days later. Finally, there is a near a Maryland truck stop.

He is tired and a mess and been running for six days after not sleeping for five. He made it from Connecticut to Maryland. To Maryland. From the far northeastern Connecticut to Maryland. Yeah, that's it. So police had been focusing their investigation on Hagerstown after learning that Peter had been taken to an Uber, like we said in the beginning here, and had a car stolen and all that.

The U.S. Marshals Service, which joined the manhunt, along with the FBI and state police, called Hagerstown police and told them they believed Peter had taken an Uber ride to the city after abandoning a stolen car in Chambersburg. So they said he stole at least two cars, fled from police, had at least three Uber rides without being caught. Oh, God. All this.

Hagerstown police talked to the Uber driver, but he wasn't sure where he had dropped them off. He's like, I don't fucking remember where I dropped them off. I don't know. He told me over here. I dropped off a lot of people. Yep. Police then went to the city's surveillance camera system and they were able to find the uber wow surveillance footage from the video cameras in hagerstown helped them track him to here

so the one cop said we combed through a lot of video just to determine what exit the uber driver had taken in town we figured he'd gotten out at the downtown Hagerstown area. We believed he'd gotten out of the car. Officers were searching for Peter when the news of the manhunt broke in the city, and police started getting tips. And then the U.S. Marshals called again, and they said they think the suspect took another Uber to a pilot travel center, which is a truck stop right outside the city.

So police from different agencies meet at this truck stop, and they don't see him there. So they're all standing outside in a big clusterfuck, big circle jerk, trying to figure out a game plan of how they're going to find him. It's at that point that, like fucking, Jesus Christ, like kill squatch, he comes out there. He emerges from the woods. Yeah.

Okay. Now they had obtained a surveillance video from him in line at a Sheetz convenience store wearing a pair of red sneakers in the store. They said those red sneakers caught the eye of a detective who had been briefing a team of law enforcement officers about what to look for. And they're like, you know, just like that guy. See that guy walking out of the woods, looks and dresses just like him. He said as they were talking about, this is a quote from the police commander, as they were talking about his height, 6'3", 6'4", one of the team members turned and approximately 20 feet away from them was a gentleman who was 6'4".

They said they looked over and noticed his red sneakers and then noticed that, Approximately 20 feet away from them was a gentleman who was 6'4". They looked over and noticed his red sneakers and then noticed that, oh, that's the guy we're looking for. That's the photo we have in our hand. Hey, Sarge, I got him. That's amazing. Oh, shit, we're all right here. He just found them. Immediately, the detective and the team went over to Peter with their guns drawn and told him to get on the ground he at that point he went to the ground they said he didn't resist and absolutely

no force was used to affect the arrest i think they surprised him i think he just it was like oh shit didn't expect that probably exhausted yep at that moment yeah i'm not sure if he came out because he saw all the cops or if he was... He would have seen them and knew to hide if he didn't want to get caught. Nearby, a duffel bag contained a gun police believed he used to kill Nick.

So, there is that. The man hunts over and people are dead and the lawyer, his lawyer, said that he's in police custody and he said, he said that he was tired and scared. That's why he just gave up. So Cindy Demers said that my Ted is at peace and will continue to watch over our family. We will move forward and continue as he has instructed us to do.

And he said she did say she was doing the happy dance that all are safe, which is a very strange thing to say. She keeps saying peace about a man who's in pieces. Stop saying that. Yep. That's too much.

Well, the attorney jumps in too. They are relieved that this has ended peacefully. Stop. Jesus Christ. Investigators said they used a combination of social media, technology, and quote, good old-fashioned police work to catch up to him.

Also, dumb luck that he walked up to you. The man walked up to you. He walked up to you. You can't say police work. And they were in the spot that he was, so they did get that down. That was good, but he could have kept walking through the woods and walked away from it. They were throwing darts at the bullseye and just missing. He happened to move the bullseye over to where the darts had already landed.

Jesus. In his obituary, the Ted's family said that he died after, quote, a simple and cruel twist of fate. He simply offered a hand to a stranger in need for this good deed his life was taken from him. Offered a hand? You can't... Offered a hand. You people stop talking. Stop talking.

I said, offered a hand. I go, that's sad, isn't it? Stop saying things. You people are terrible. And the guy took it, unfortunately, and said, I'll take a couple of fingers with that also. How crazy is that? Offered a hand. People are terrible. And the guy took it, unfortunately, and said, I'll take a couple of fingers with that also. How crazy is that? Offered a hand.

That was in print in his obituary. You can't say that. No. I mean, I get it's his family and we feel terrible for them and all, but word it better. Yeah, but you guys need to have a better, have somebody neutral write these for you. Offered help to a stranger in need. Aid to a stranger in need. Anything but a hand.

Don't. Jesus, God. So about the murders here, one of the people in town said, the extent of these crimes and the absolute evil of them is unbelievable to me. Yeah. The lawyer said, Dolan, this is the family lawyer for Peter, he's been battling anxiety and depression for a couple of years. This is completely out of character for him.

He's had no earlier involvement with the police. So the degree to which his mental illness is a factor in defense is kind of a big part of this. How much are they laying in a mental illness defense and all that kind of shit? And the attorney said, until you spend time in Sandy Hook, you don't understand how it affects people. Now they're blaming the shooting for this, which seems. That's a bit far. Wow. Because there's not a single person who doesn't know someone who lost a loved one.

Yes, this has happened. Yes, this happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School. But the entire district was locked down as rumors were swirling and these kids were terrorized. Are all of them going on fucking rampages, killing people with samurai swords? There's the question. But the people on the other side agree. One person says there are all these connections with him living on the same street as Adam Lonza and Sandy Hook happening when he was at a very impressionable age. We're still seeing the effects of Sandy Hook in young people's lives.

That's even the other side family said that. Yeah. That is a great point, though. Oh, it'll fuck you up. God, that was such a destructive thing, too. That's babies, man. That's fucked up. That's real fucked up.

And you know the kid. You've seen that kid ride his bike, and now you know what he's capable of. You've seen him on the street. You know his mom probably. Yeah, you feel duped, feel lied to, feel all kinds of horrible feelings. So the charges here, he's going to be charged with murder, criminal attempt to commit murder, first-degree assault, home invasion, first-degree kidnapping with a firearm, first-degree robbery,

first-degree larceny, two counts of first-degree stealing a firearm, and third-degree assault of an elderly person. A lot of stuff. I love that that's a law there. Yeah yeah it's a law everywhere you can't is it really if you if anybody's 65 or over tries to start shit with you don't fight them because you'll get in trouble no matter what i love that yeah that well that's great except if you have some 65 year old fucking asshole yeah in your fucking face that's the problem like i had at the goddamn gas station that one time i was like i don't care how fucking old you are.

I will fucking end you here in this parking lot, you son of a bitch. Fuck away from me, old man. Anybody that targets old people gets some extra stank on it. That's nice. But literally, if they start shit with you, you kick their ass. You're going to jail for beating up an elderly person. It's like, hold on a minute. I just accepted the challenge challenge it's not my

fault there's 65 year olds that are plenty spry out there yeah some you could literally have some fucking like hell's angel start shit with you in a bar and beat the shit out of him because he's 67 and they will say that you're the problem that's that's a fact unreal so uh but yeah we should protect all. I don't like beating up old people. I don't like anybody targeting old people. If they're looking for a fair fight, then we got one. If they're looking to challenge a duel, I'm into it.

Let's go. So Peter's lawyer said that Peter's actual plan for the defense is mental illness, number one. And he wasn't going there to hurt anybody except himself he was going there to commit suicide with the sword in front of his ex-girlfriend to show her with the asian writing doing the asian thing yes laying on the sword yes that's why he had the shirt with the asian writing on it too he said okay he was gonna go there and run himself through with the fucking sword yeah yeah to tell show this is what you've done to me honor killing the horse shit yeah that bullshit they also said that he has bipolar disease and we found that since he's been in

prison he has anxiety and was having a psychotic episode at the time of the killings now the main problem is people in the neighborhood are fucking pissed that the cops didn't warn everybody about this. Yeah. They're still mad about this. Sure. They had a big meeting. More than 100 town residents joined a big meeting to talk about all this shit. And the one said, it's the fact that the town went so long without knowing that there was someone who was loose that was causing harm and danger and there was a risk to the community.

As soon as there was a crime scene that was as violent as it was and the perpetrator was not in custody, then why within 10 minutes wasn't the community notified that they should shelter and be careful? But how do you do that outside of a loudspeaker, too? That's the other thing. Yeah, you got to drive down the street with the megaphone. Yeah. One of the people on the council said they were angry because their kids were out on the front lawn and there's this

guy going through the town with a sword and they're not being told. All they want to know is should they get their kids inside and lock the doors? This is where the failure came in. So, yeah, I would say here they said that, you know, the people complain that the police they said they complain that the police struggle with information posted to social media by town residents and others and said the press was following detectives during their investigation. They said in the immediacy of the moment, decisions were made that we believed we had we believed we had disseminated the information. That's what the cop said here. Clearly, we didn't get it out there far enough or wide enough. Yeah.

We tweeted. Who follows the social media of the cop said here. Clearly, we didn't get it out there far enough or wide enough. Yeah, we tweeted. Who follows the social media of the thing? Yeah. So they said, aside from two social media posts and the brief press briefing, the only other information the police released on May 22nd was a press release that listed Demers as the victim. It also noted a suspect was considered armed and dangerous, but gave no indication that he could still be in Wilmington. One of the neighbors who still lives there said, I'm not on the state police Twitter account or their Facebook page. Yeah.

Cause you're normal. Who the fuck is? Yeah. Nosy people were not for Facebook. We would not have known. We would not have known that there was a sword wielding killer on the loose, less than half a mile from our house with our kids outside on our front lawn. When the police do not provide timely life and death information in their community, where else is the public to turn?

It's not a bad point. Fair. And it's a very meth-y, weird crime. So it's a psychotic crime. It's wild. The person that perpetrates something like that is so fucking dangerous the most dangerous yes if he went and hacked up his ex-girlfriend you'd go okay he might be done or if you know if he if you know you have beef with this guy

he might be settling scores so go high but if you're a stranger you're probably good yeah this is a different story it was 24 hours later that they had a press conference and offered more details and by then donald hipsky's tied up in his fucking basement duct tape duct tape to a chair here um they said that was 10 29 saturday morning issued a press release to the media urging people to be on the lookout for peter it was the first time that the suspect was named in the release including a photograph of him as well so people might have seen him and been able to fucking call the cops on him in that 24 hours between then and then. So, wow.

Wilmington's forming a committee to look into buying its own reverse 911 system. Town officials can control to contact town residents in the event of an emergency using the CT Connecticut alert system, which goes to the phones and email addresses of people who have signed up would have required approval from the state police and so yeah they're talking about maybe where they can notify you of shit you know okay so 9-1-1 calls you 9-1-1 calls you and says be careful shit's out there yeah so he pleads not guilty to all of this

somehow he's held on $5 million bond. Yeah. I mean, you looked a girl in the face and said he's dead. I shot him in the head. You know what you did. Yeah. Yeah. It's disturbing.

So yeah, he's got all sorts as we led you down the list of all the things here. Oh, I'm sorry. That's $5 million in bail for Nick's killing. $7 million for the Ted Demers and the attack on the old man. Wow. So total, you got to come up with a bond of 12 million, whatever,

you know, $1.2 million to get him out of jail. That's your mom's a teacher. I don't think you're going to get out. That's going to be rough here. Um, in a statement by the attorney of the victim of the kidnapping, this is Shannon's attorney said the healing process can't begin until we can be assured that justice has been served and Peter

is held accountable for his actions that altered and destroyed the lives of both Nick myself and countless others Nicholas will will be remembered as a love loving and protective boyfriend but also as a hero following his own selfless actions on that day if there's a face or name to be remembered as a loving and protective boyfriend, but also as a hero following his own selfless actions on that day. If there's a face or name to be remembered, it should be his. How about everybody's who was attacked? That'd be good. Yeah. What about the old man who did nothing to him also?

Why are we parsing? Yeah, let's not parse. 2022 comes around. He's awaiting his trial, awaiting his court shit. When this happens, here comes Peter's dad. Okay. What do you think Peter's dad's going to do? Come to the rescue?

Try to protect his son? Maybe. Is he in the cell next door? Well, no, he's actually arrested because he admitted to sexually assaulting a teenage girl. What? A month before Peter went on a spree. spree oh yeah what's up with that a month before he's gonna be serve a little over a year in jail and be required to register as a sex offender which is if this family wasn't fucked how'd you like to be the ex-wife at this point

oh man your son's a murderer your fucking husband's a diddler this is not great did did he did peter know that's what i'm wondering uh apparently the father here his name is robert i believe um he uh he i guess was arrested in 2020 after the woman after a woman reported to the newtown police department he had sexually assaulted her 15-year-old daughter. Jesus, God. He's got a 23-year-old son. Good Christ, man. So he's at least in his 40s, this fucking guy.

He's probably in his 50s. Jesus, he was accused of inappropriately touching the teen on a couch in his Newtown residence on the evening of April 10, 2020. Why do you got 15-year-olds in your house? Jesus, according to the victim and her family, on the evening of April 10th, 2020. Why do you got 15-year-olds in your house? Jesus. According to the victim and her family, this guy dated the victim's mother.

We got a Grizzly Smith situation going on. He's touching the daughter of the girl he's dating. If you don't understand that reference, Grizzly Smith is a wrestler and was the father of wrestler Jake the Snake Roberts, and the way Jake the Snake Roberts was conceived is Grizzly Smith was on a date with Jake's mother and instead or on a date with Jake's grandmother and instead they went back to her house and instead Grizzly went and raped the woman's his date's daughter his date's teenage daughter

who then had Jake and those two ended up getting married Grizzly and the daughter. Yikes. So that's disturbing. So, yeah, apparently he had gained this girl's trust and then fucking attacked her. The victim here, the 15 year old, said he came into her family's life at a hard time

and brought joy and laughter and lots of love. She viewed him as a father figure. Yikes. My family and I trusted him him he always had a fun positive attitude and good energy to him he gave me confidence and made me feel good about myself darling that's called grooming to this day i will never truly know if that was genuine or not no that was grooming it's genuine when no one wants to fuck you when they do it. Right. It's grooming if they then diddle you at the end. Oh, God, Jesus.

They make grooming seem a lot like being a caring person. That's the trick of the whole thing. It's disgusting. It's been three years since, and I hope her mother's got her an intense therapy. I hope so. And she's only 18 now. God damn it.

She said, I cannot adequately capture the level of disgust i feel when i'm reminded of what you have done to my sister and my family that's what the victim's brother said he said the abuse inflicted upon his sister went way beyond that moment on the couch it haunts her to this very day making it difficult to trust and impacting all of her future relationships you abuse the power and trust that my little sister and so many others placed in you and i'm Yep. caused me to spiral. I stopped doing things I loved. I avoided people who loved and cared about me. I was depressed and anxious, a teenager, with an eating disorder and going out every weekend

until I was blacked out. Fucking unbelievable. So Robert, the father, sentenced to eight years in prison but suspended after 15 months. What the fuck? Plus five years probation after pleading guilty because he pled to fourth degree sexual assault and risk of injury to a child as part of a plea deal he's also ordered to register as a sex offender um wow uh the victim said the pain he put me through will never add up

to the punishment he receives no shit i hope he knows the amount of pain he caused to so many people and i hope he lives with that forever i don't think he cares i understand why they uh give a plea bargain because it's a slam dunk and now you don't want her to have to testify that's the main thing then she doesn't have to relive it all but uh and get cross-examined 15 months is not enough that's not enough yeah they got eight years and we'll suspend it down what the fuck i mean no i guess that's for if he goes near a kid again, you can throw him right back in there. But still, how about you just keep him in there for a while? Yeah, you got him on the books for five years. Why don't you just fucking keep him in for five years?

So who's worse at this point? Right. So Nick's family is in court when Peter appears in court in 2023. And they all came in. They all had shirts on with him on it and nick's face on it and everything else i mean they were fucking down for him the kid was brave man sure was brave he's trying to protect his girlfriend and he got shot for it i mean that's that's crazy man that's a wild thing so um his mother was very sad she was sobbing and all that kind of shit and it's a lot going on man so uh peter faces the

judge here he doesn't speak he pleads not guilty to all of this shit murder and condition of a felony and all the murders and everything um an advocate of from the court of victim services said that thursday's appearance in milford superior court was one of the first times nick's family was in the same room with p, who was being held, obviously, on $5 million bail. And so they said they didn't know how they were going to react to him. What they do is they start a petition to have his mother removed from teaching in Newtown. What is that going to solve? That I don't understand.

That's a kind of a weird, I guess, because her judgment must lack because she married a diddler and raised a murderer yeah but i mean you know i mean that's that's tough to say right there i mean we've hasn't the woman been through enough i mean she is she's certainly fucking hurting plus what are the other two kids are they fine yeah right this is what whenever somebody, whenever someone's kid is shitty and they attack the parent, unless they're 10. If a kid's shitty and they're 10, the parent can control them. But once the kid's an adult, you have to look at if all the kids are like that, then yeah, the parent's fucked up.

But if you have like four kids and three of them are fine and they graduated college and one of them's a complete disaster, that's just odds. It's nothing you can do about that. That's odds. So, yeah, the whole thing, you never fucking know what's going on here. So, anyway, there's two competing change.org petitions, one to get her removed as a teacher and another to keep her as a teacher, which is not really change.org if she is already a teacher.

Status quo.org. Status quo.org. Yeah, that's a different org. That's really change.org if she is already a teacher it was just status quo.org yeah that's a different org that's a different.org so according to um yeah her brother here they're talking about all this all this stuff here they talk about which one has more uh signatures at this point i'm not sure i didn't look at the signatures on them but they said that i want to know which one's winning. Yeah, we'll look that up at the end here. Okay.

So they're talking about they don't want to have exposure to her, the teacher, when they're at school because one of the kids is going to be in the high school. Like Nick's sister is going to be in high school where this lady teaches. So, you know, that's interesting here. She said, I can't hear it. She said, quote, I'm not at liberty to make any legal conclusions as far as whether she is responsible or not. I'm really trying to drive home that she did not commit any crimes, but I think her moral compass is a bit skewed. I think it's disrespectful to my family to make that decision to return to Newtown High School. OK.

They also discovered that there may have been references to the Sandy Hook shooter written on the wall. There was. Adam Lanzes. Adam snapped. So they said, I can't believe if people were aware of this, they turned a blind eye to it, which that makes sense. The whole message was, quote, I can't believe I even have to write this. This is on change.org. My twin brother, Nick, was senselessly murdered three months ago.

Twin brother to many have asked me how they can help. This is the favor I'm asking. Our little sister is going into her senior year at Newtown High School. Senior year is the year my sister will say goodbye to her classmates. at Newtown High School. Senior year is the year my sister will say goodbye to her classmates, the classmates who stood

with her eight years ago in the Sandy Hook School gymnasium as another murderer changed her life and all of our lives forever. She was at the school when it happened. She was the,

oh my God. Yeah. However, my sister will be attending her last days at NHS walking in the same hallways as Jeanette Roderick, the mother of our brother's

murderer, who is a biology teacher at our school. Unfortunately, after three months of imploring Newtown Public Schools to change her teaching placement, the district says they do not have the power to remove or transfer her, meaning the decision's up to her. She's got tenure. That's how it works.

She is choosing to return as a teacher to NHS in the same building as my sister next week when the school begins its hybrid model, coming back from COVID. The school will be meeting up with her to discuss this, the teacher, and I want them to know how many people understand how inappropriate this is. I need your help so that my sister can have somewhat of a normal senior year in high school. There's no way someone could learn and receive a quality education with the fear of who might be around the corner or the whispers of her peers in hallways about the obvious elephant in the school. When we started speaking with the school, they suggested my sister go to a different school in another town. Yeah.

That would mean leaving behind the friend she's grown through grown with through the tragedy and through love how will how well being taught by a murderer's mother impact other students who were at in sandy hook elementary school on that tragic day well peter's not a school shooter so that's he didn't he didn't he wasn't he wasn't at newtown nothing happened at newtown the the mother of a gunman who allegedly had Adam Lance's name written on his bedroom wall. Newtown of all towns should have zero tolerance for gun violence. We need to prevent this from traumatizing all Newtown youth even more. My sister has seen more tragedy in her 17 years than many people will see in their entire lifetimes.

Her mental health is at stake along with the other students. Our youngest sister will also be entering Newtown High next year. Our mother has been pleading with the superintendent, Dr. Lori Rodriguez, between planning a pandemic safe funeral, cleaning out my brother's apartment, and everything else that comes with losing your child. This is the last thing she needs to worry about. Please sign and share this petition urging Jeanette Roderick to reconsider her position at Newtown High School.

Okay. Now, Nicole Carter, on the other side, says condolences for Nicholas and his family. He will forever be in our hearts. She acknowledges the petition and the goal and says,

first I'd like to start by saying my condolences for Nicholas and his family, who will forever be in our hearts. Recently, a petition has been made asking to have Mrs. Roderick, formerly Mrs. Manfredonia, be removed from her 16 plus year position at NHS due to the fact that her son's victim siblings will be entering the same school, which she currently teaches. After the Sandy Hook shooting, our town has been promoting be kind, we choose love, and nicer a new town. If these phrases stand true of our town, then how can we define a grieving mother by her adult son's actions? As

hard as it is for the siblings to see the mother of their brother's killer, it is just as difficult for Mrs. Roderick to see two sisters who lost their brother at the hands of her own son. I don't that's equal it's not apples to apples probably um both families have suffered profound loss and lives have been ruined on both ends it's so upsetting for somebody to request that she leave her place of employment employment um so yeah um they stay call talk about how good she is and they say, please sign

this petition. If you believe Mrs. Roderick should remain teaching or she will continue positively attend, uh, impacting students lives. So yeah, he has, neither. It's none of my business. Work this out. That's one of those where I'm like, I don't know what's right. I don't think they should force this woman

to fucking leave. At the same time, I see where the family's coming from. I understand their point of view. Sure. And it would be difficult and it is traumatic and I wouldn't want to be taught by,

but you don't have to be in her class, but I don't know. Two families that lost a son and that's fucked up. There's also other families that lost. What if she goes to work at a Joanne Fabrics and yeah. And Ted and Ted's Ted's wife is there buying fucking quilt shit. Does she have to not work there now too.

I mean that's the thing. The lady's still got to earn a living and she didn't hurt anybody. It would be one thing if he lived at home and she like what she waved to him as he pulled off his motorcycle with a samurai sword sticking out of his backpack. And she was like, bye, honey. That would be a different. Packed him a sack lunch. He's a senior in college. Right.

You know, that's tough. So court for Nick's murder. Yeah. He decides to plead guilty. Good call. Murder and kidnapping. Got a witness. Yeah.

Yeah. It's brutal. Cut and kidnapping. Got a witness. Yeah. Yeah. It's brutal. It's cut and dry. It's cut and dry. There's no way to slice it other than that. So he faces sentencing where a large group of friends and family

of Nick, many of whom don shirts with a photo of him attended to express the immeasurable heartache they have been left with. They say this is his mother, Michelle.

She says it takes all the strength and will I can muster to get up, put my feet on the ground and fight to find the courage to face another day carrying around the Mack truck worth of grief that runs through every part of me. That's understandable right there. It's wow. So very well put. As a matter of fact, she said she she said had her'd known that her son visited a few days before his death. It would have been the last time she could hug him.

She would have kept hugging him, obviously. She said, and now I can hold him in my heart. His father, brother, and sisters can only ever hold them in their heart too. So parents are not supposed to bury their children, she says. Yeah, obviously. Shannon gets up here, the kidnapped girl. Oh, yeah? She said, the version of myself that went to bed with my

boyfriend, my best friend, and the sweetest man I ever met on May 23rd was not alive anymore when my parents picked me up from state police headquarters in New Jersey on May 24th, and I think they knew that. Jersey did that to her. Well, yeah, I was going to say, beyond Jersey. I think that Jersey did that to her well yeah I was going to say beyond Jersey

I think Patterson did that to you lady yeah she's like I drove through Newark and was like whoa she said I held my own funeral throughout that drive wondering who would come and what they would say and what I wished they would say but instead I was forced to live

after that I lost absolutely everything I had. I lost my best friend and partner. There's no telling how amazing our future could have been. And I was robbed of ever knowing that happiness. I was robbed of ever knowing peace again, more peace of ever foot. That's different, different of ever feeling safe anywhere,

even in my own home. She says she was not hurt during the kidnapping. And the only time that Peter even touched her was to give her a hug and apologize for killing her boyfriend. Which is even more fucked up. Which is even creepier. That's what I mean. He makes weird small talk, and he's all remorseful, which makes it even creepier. You fucking jerk. Just be a dick the whole time.

He's all remorseful, which makes it even creepier. You fucking jerk. Just be a dick the whole time. She said that she wants to help make sure he never sees the walls outside of a prison for the rest of his life. He said, my life will be impacted. The plea deal does not bring Nick or Mr. Demers back to life. It does not fix the hole left where they should be, the empty seat at the family Christmas, and the presents that never will get to be opened and enjoyed. Christmas and the presents that never will get to be opened and enjoyed. Nick's dad gets on the stand and says that I honestly can't remember what it felt like not to worry or be anxious or what life was like before grief.

That's brutal. Yeah. He said, I'll never recover from these wounds. His sister says that he was her best friend and protector and big brother. And, you know, she said,

this has plunged me into a bottomless pit of my own sorrow. And they said that, quote, Peter Manfredonia is a monster who must be punished for what he's done. That's what she says. Peter's lawyer said he tried to get the mental health. Yeah. Help that he needed before, but he couldn't because of covid said he couldn't get a therapist yeah said uh he declined to uh to comment here if he's receiving treatment but he said as you might

recall this occurred during the pandemic it was very difficult for uh him to receive treatment getting in-person treatment was difficult therapists weren't taking new clients at the beginning of the pandemic yeah which is true yeah that's swinging for the fucking fences for help you can't chop people up with a samurai sword for that look man i i had a i got a therapist too and in the in the pandemic it was a motherfucker but i figured it out and i've got a lot of anxiety help that we do ads for right i mean there's ways to texting video i got a lot of anxiety yeah anxiety and depression are uh never leaving me and i still figure it out every fucking day you can't just chop up old men nope that doesn't work and shoot your friends right kidnap

people he said i like to think that but for this pandemic he would have gotten the treatment that was necessary and all of this could have been avoided. Earning that paycheck. Wow. Peter says this. He addresses the family members in attendance and says, quote, my actions were nothing short of reprehensible. Know that I do not expect your forgiveness, but I apologize nonetheless. What I did was horrendous and I will regret it every day for the rest of my life.

Not because of the consequences it's had on me, not because of the consequences it's had on me but because of the consequences it's had on your family nick was a good young man with whom i felt no ill will or malice my actions were senseless please know you have my deepest apologies then he turned to shannon oh and he said you were incredibly strong and brave for what must have been the scariest instance of your life. You never once wavered in your composure. I never intended to hurt you, even though I did. I sincerely wish you the best, despite what I have done.

You deserve it because I put you through the worst. Can I have a hug? Come bring it in. Let's go. You, sir, may fuck off 55 years. He gets. Okay. Okay. Not bad. 55 years, he gets. Okay. Okay.

Not bad. I like that. I think I like numbers more than I like life in prison. You know what I mean? Because life in prison scares me. Because a lot of people have gotten out after that. But 55. Unless it's life without parole.

Right. All right. Life is, what, 40 years or 50 years, depending on the state. You're going to have to do some time. Mm-hmm. Life is, what, 40 years or 50 years, depending on the state. You have to do some time. Yeah. His attorney outside the courtroom said that his client's mental health diagnosis contributed to the psychotic episode he experienced. And, you know, that's that.

So he then pleads to all the crimes in Willington as well. Really? The hostage taking, the sword swiping the shinobi ism all that shit he pleaded guilty to murder assault and home invasion charges for his crimes there second sentencing they offer what they

believe to be this is the judge offers what he believes to be the motive for the killings and yeah the prosecutor said that he definitely didn't the prosecutor said he didn't fucking drive to his ex-girlfriend's house to off himself in front of his ex he said quote the logical inference is that he was going to kill her right let's be honest here um they said that he sat emotionless peter did during the second sentencing and uh they did this back this back to back days by the way here

yep they described his attorney described a psychotic episode connected to his bipolar disorder and anxiety but Cindy Ted's wife said the state does not offer the death penalty but that would have been my choice she described rushing to the scene of the

carnage outside her home she said it was like being in a war zone all I could focus on was reassuring ted that he was going to be okay and that we would put his body back together oh my god we will get through this we had gotten through so much together up until this point dying was not an option and even seeing him and his injuries i couldn't imagine that was a possibility he was still alive when he was taken away, but he never came home. My husband's life was stolen from him viciously, and life as I knew it was stolen from me. My world as I knew it came to an end. She said that he was very excited to learn that a grandbaby was coming and that he never got to meet that grandbaby.

Brand new news? Jesus. The grandbaby was born in June, a month later. They named him Teddy after his grandpa there. Oh, that's sweet. Yeah. They said it was going to be such a beautiful time. He was still alive when he was taken away, but he never came back.

I was immediately lost and alone. There's no Cindy without Ted. The Franco family came up, too. The other old man he chopped up with a sword. They said the defendant does not. This is Franco himself. He said the defendant does not deserve to live, but the court system says that he must.

My personal feelings are that he should be terminated. I'm a firm believer in capital punishment. I don't like the way terminated. I don't like that either. It's very callous. That's rough. Cold. Just,

uh, that's a man that just that just uh lives life with very cold hard facts there's no emotion in this there's nothing to that wow here's just the facts ma'am lives next door to fucking jack webb or some shit friday yeah that's what it is he said um um yeah they also said that hipsky came up the guy who was held hostage, and said what he went through pales in comparison to what everybody else went through. He said he would never forget the look in Peter's eyes when he became enraged during his 24 hours. And he found it particularly disturbing that he went through his late wife's belongings seeking cash and weapons. Donald, make no mistake. You are just as lucky as Shannon to be alive.

Oh, you're lucky as shit. Youannon oh you're lucky shit you are the maybe the most lucky you don't act like you didn't go through anything no you are a lot so lucky to be alive he got held high he had no control he said it was difficult to go back into the basement where he tied me up to a chair for hours yeah peter apologized individually to the members of the family like he did earlier um he called franco the guy who he attacked, the 80-year-old, selfless and courageous, and apologized to Hipsky for not listening to him when he tried multiple times to talk him into turning himself in. He told Ted's family that what he did was reprehensible and that there are no words that can possibly atone for what I've done. Well, the judge has some words.

He said that the brutality of your of your crime, I found shocking, adding that she that she believes he should, quote, never be released early. You, sir, may fuck off 55 years again. Double 55s to run concurrently. Oh, but that'll be less of a chance of parole if he's got double of them anyway yeah still maybe he'll get all 55 who knows here um wow it's a lot they said they were you know it's a lot so they still want peter's mom out as a teacher after this they're still going really going after her as a teacher. They said it has over the calling for transfer

or removal of Roderick from the high school was good for the good of his younger sisters, had more than 5,100 supporters as of September 30th. This is just before. A competing petition supporting the educator and the notion she should be allowed to stay

had just over 1,500 supporters. Wow. So a lot more for get rid of her, obviously. That is interesting. Yeah. So they said it's a constant fear. Jessica says pulling into the school on days I go in gets me nervous. Walking into the school gets me nervous.

Even when I'm walking to my classes gets me nervous. I'm constantly looking down the halls to make sure Peter's mother is not walking toward me. I don't want to run into her because it will affect the rest of my day. Even when I try to avoid the whole situation, I can't because it's what everyone in the school talks about. Just knowing I'm in the same vicinity as her makes me uncomfortable. Being in the same area as her, whether or not I see her, makes me uncomfortable and it gives me extreme anxiety even though i'm not in her classroom and i know she most likely will not walk into my classroom i can't focus on any of my classes i can't even go to the bathroom without worrying that she will walk in because you can't control what bathroom she uses and she may

need to use the restroom okay she needs to go to another school she can't do this this is too much it's hard on her that is so bad for her. It's hard on her. It's understandable. It's bad for her mental health. Yeah, it's bad for her mental health. Getting that teacher out of there is not going to fix this. She is so fucked up, and it's not her fault. No, God no.

She needs a different environment. She's a victim here. This is too much. She's a complete victim here. She's a twice double over victim, you know? Yeah. Yeah. If it's so easy to move me me then why can't they just transfer her

we do not want her fired my family knows she deserves income like the rest of the families in this town but we're simply asking for her to get transferred to a new school so i don't have a constant reminder my big brother is gone that's fair i get it i get it she's gonna forget at some point that's yeah it's not gonna it's not gonna change anything jessica did not mention her statement that she's also dealing with the you know the sandy hook shit and everything else she's got a lot going on um she said i know she's there every day i'm looking uh for her from the minute i pull into the parking lot until i leave i don't feel i should have to be put through that and i don't want my sister in that situation easy either why is it so easy for the district to transfer me and not her now she is still here she is jimmy look

over that is her right there it's jeanette roderick still a teacher in the newtown high school science department um yeah writing in with everybody else in the faculty on their website they're not ashamed of her or anything no it's cool and peter is in prison obviously uh but somehow his linkedin profile is still up and out get out of here seriously uh look at him smile on this he's got a big smile looking like a with a suit on fucking asshole um honors student at university of connecticut um says he works for dream ride ride and goes on to explain that. Um, let's see here. Our company, isn't it?

Yeah. Dream ride, June, 2016 to present seven years and five months. Uh, that is listed at two 75 schoolhouse road, Cheshire, Connecticut organized and developed and oversaw a marketing campaign over multiple online platforms from the hometown foundation worked with the Dream Ride charity, raising money to benefit the Special Olympics and Connecticut law enforcement. He was a marketing coordinator for Dream Ride. And one of his pictures that you see online is at some event

where he is wearing a polo that has a Dream Ride logo on it. So he definitely did that. But that's still up, his LinkedIn. So there you go everybody willington connecticut a disturbing harrowing fucking mess of a guy destroyed this whole town oh it fucked over this and sandy hook this town is fucked ruined it the two of them yeah just garbage not that they're garbage but it's no to them they think of it this is brutal on them so wow that's a wild fucking story and a lot going on for one town and this guy hey you know what if you have mental health issues yeah and especially if you have mental health health

issues that you're gonna fucking hurt somebody yourself too but yeah i'm more concerned about others honestly because you know honestly if petered himself, there'd be more people alive right now. You know what I mean? Not that you should kill yourself. But I'm saying, especially if you're planning on hurting other people, fucking talk to somebody. I don't care who it is. Go to McDonald's and knock on the drive-thru window and say, talk to me for five minutes. Keep doing that until someone talks to you.

Let me get a Dr. Pepper and listen to all this horse shit but the other part is like the world was in such chaos then it was i never fucking heard of this no absolutely not tons of other shit going on this man was going may of 2020 yeah may of 2020 there was a lot going on around states around and nobody knew shit about this? This should have been on every major news network. Jesus Christ. Fucking, it's insane. So there you go, everybody.

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