Small Town Murder - #434 - A Nearly Headless Horror Scene - Pemberton, West Virginia

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

This week, in Pemberton, West Virginia, a crazy day in a neighborhood of trailers, starting with one man, snorting pills & drinking cheap whiskey, before noon. He ends up at an odd "party", where he gets into an argument, over an alleged debt owed for a semi strip dance that was performed. Next thing you know, the murderer doesn't even remember the brutal way that they almost beheaded their victim, with a buck knife, then continued stabbing!Along the way, we find out that trails that you pay to ride, are not "outlaw trails", that if someone is doing any kind of strip dance for you, you should expect to pay them, and that you shouldn't drink your whiskey by the liter!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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To sit back. Let's all clear the lungs and hands to the sky, and let's all shout. Let's all clear the lungs and hands to the sky and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, everybody.

Yeah. Let's do it. We are going on down to West Virginia again. Always a popular spot here because we've had some of the craziest episodes of this show have been in West Virginia. And it's gained a bit of a reputation around these parts. So all of the listeners, especially the ones who call themselves turkeys, will know the hardcore is definitely an interesting one. This is in Pemberton, West Virginia. I know you've never heard of it because really nobody has it is in southern west virginia in the middle of nowhere oh it's outside of beckley put it that way where

the fuck is that 15 minutes to beckley we did an episode in beckley that was the one for i think it was for love of my cousin was the name of that episode well it's a lot there explains it's about two hours to roanoke virginia if you go the other way and then it's two and a half hours to clarksburg west virginia our last episode there which was the rantings of a serial killer which was that crazy serial killer guy ranting and telling all that wild stories and shit so population here 930 oh not a lot of people here at all. Less than 1,000. Less than 1,000. All these little towns kind of have less than 1,000.

There's Sophia right next door that's like a mile away that has less than 1,000. There is 12% unemployment around here from what I understand. Oh, my God. Area code 304. In this zip code, by the way, I looked up like the zip code because Midway is by here also. Sure. up like the zip code because midway is by here also in this zip code the average per capita income not household but per person income is fifteen thousand dollars a year how do you do it forty three percent of the people here make less than fifteen thousand dollars a year

under fifteen thousand dollars a year james we could be fucking kings here you could be king here if you if you have a good job in an amazon warehouse or you know walmart you know i mean this you know if we if we were kings there the all all 980 of them would overrun our place and kill us they would definitely kill us yeah instead of they would burn us instead of the coal yeah that's what they would do they take all of our stuff and rape and and burn our corpses median home price here 99 900 bucks that is median home value nearby towns crab orchard sophia coal city is two and a half miles away and glenn white like a man's name glenn white is three point that's what here. Pemberton little history located on

Soak Creek. Soak Creek. Gross. Which, yeah, I was going to say, did the Mormons invent that one? Yeah. And it was opened by, opened meaning the town was opened by Pemberton Fuel Company in the 1910s. All this. The creek, I guess, was

open. Yeah. Later, the Coppler's Coal Company and Lilybrook Coal Company mined there, and they had a company store and all that, and that's how it works. First post office opened here in 1886. By the way, that's no longer there. By 1993, there's no more. In 1993, post office even closes. That's how, when towns die, that's what happens here. So,

um, the, in Raleigh County, there was miners back in the day here who were killed by a violent suppression of labor organizing. And they had the battle of Staniford during the 1902, 1903 new river coal strike, which an armed posse led by us.

Marshals shot up the miners houses where they were with their families and killed at least six people. All because they were striking. Yeah. They were later acquitted, by the way, the people who did that. Oh, my God. And so, yeah, it's a big kind of a big deal. It was a prelude to the West Virginia coal wars, which we've talked about before.

Yeah. So interesting reviews of this town not many this is of raleigh county not of it's in raleigh county that's in the reviews of the county uh four stars okay we do not have earthquakes of any significance hurricanes or tornadoes this sounds like it's from our other show your stupid opinions which you should be listening to by the way um there is some flooding when there are heavy storms, but that does not happen all the time. Yeah, sometimes it rains, you just described. Sometimes it's a lot.

The seasons differ in severity from year to year. Oh, is that right? Wow. Sometimes it snows more than others. Weird. What a strange. Wow. Sometimes they're mild mild sometimes they're intense

you have nothing to say you should have just said nothing that's the thing here um here is three stars most families in this area work for the federal prison coal mines education or small business there's not a large variety of jobs in this area yeah that's kind of what it is yeah um two stars usually when i watch the local news i see a shooting or a murder that has taken place relatively close to my area all also most criminals are not being found and processed so people are being shot and then getting away with it yeah the the amount of people and the amount of unsolved murders in West Virginia compared to the population is insane. There's not a lot there.

Here's two stars. This is the last one. Quote, people seem to just pass by without even saying hi. It's almost like they mind their own business. Weird, right? They don't want to talk to me for some reason. Things to do, the Sophia City Fall Festival. That's the town that's a mile away there.

They have inflatables. They have these wooden plaques with things on them. There's a Cleveland Indians logo. There's one, you know, the POWMIA one. There's like a college football logo here. Somebody got a wood-burning kit? Yep. Handmade plaques. Oh, there's like a college football logo here somebody got a wood burning kit yep handmade there's a yoda one handmade plaques by jimmy j-i-m-m-i-e just like you hell yeah that's what

you've been doing that's my hillbilly name and then the other one there's these boards that are kitchen accessories and one has burned into it vegetable murder board which i thought our cutting board that's very funny that's pretty fun stuff but you're there for the music aren't you you're not there for jimmy burning yoda into a wooden board you're there to see daniel lily and the lily mountaineers that's who you're there to see dan lily dan lily it says on their facebook page we are a beckley west virginia based band that plays country bluegrass southern rock and rock, and gospel music. Shocking. We knew, Dan. We definitely knew.

I really expected either hardcore, maybe European techno music, or obviously horrorcore rap, like 90s style, like Gravediggers. One of the two. I don't know. Those are the two things i was thinking about i just assumed they were big tribe called quest fans that's you know it um here is a they posted on a video that looks like it was taken on a cell phone from 2004 by the way but it's from this year yeah and it says get in line brother that's the in quotes song we done at the

black walnut festival last year so they're oh my god song'd done at the Black Walnut Festival last year. Oh, my God. Song we'd done at the Black Walnut Festival. Get in line, brother. Get in line, brother. And there's also baked goods and pepperoni rolls and cinnamon rolls and all sorts of stuff. Also, don't miss Sophia Rockin' Rowdy, which is, this is a strange one. The axe they have there, it's a small thing they have the dirty prescott kids kingery okay big poe and afro man okay really sure why not i don't know what's

going on he'll take any any gig at this point and And at this place, it's all while you go off-roading. And then they have concerts at night, so they have off-trails. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, and they say they tout off-roading on, quote, over 200 miles of outlaw trails. Outlaw trails. Outlaw trails. They're fucking trails that you've paid money to fucking ride on. They're the opposite of outlaw trails

right holy shit god damn it's probably all the backwoods roads that all the moonshiners used to drive that sounds rad i'm into it that'd be a fun thing to drive around and if only it wasn't in southern west virginia right i'm there but we get to hang out with afro man after let's do it you think he's not on the first fucking helicopter out of there first donkey in the morning yeah he is taken right from the stage to transportation the hell out of this place i'm sure that said let's talk about a murder shall we oh let's do it oh boy this is a real interesting day here that this man had this is one of those we've had episodes where it's just a wild day in west virginia yeah like groundhog for breakfast and ones like that and

this falls right in line with that let's go back in time not too far at all 2011 so i mean very close instagram just came out i mean it's we're it's today for pretty. It's the same thing. It's all happening, yeah. Brian Daniel Hazlett. Let's talk about H-A-Y-S-L-E-T-T. Hazlett. Hazlett. Born in 1979. Okay. And he is described in a newspaper as his speaking manner is he speaks in concise sentences, quote, in a thick country accent.

Okay. He's from this area so yeah yeah he's concise sentences they're impressed with his with his words i think he's just says sure he's a man a few words yep i said that yeah yep and that too yeah i'll have biscuits and gravy that's the one so um that's what they say about him he had some problems as we'll talk about when he was 18 years old and not even out of high school yet in 2002 here um he wow had a little bit of an issue um he 2002 he was out of high school oh wait 2002 18 i'm sorry he was born before that i messed up on that he's 24 at this point yeah that's yeah well no so he was born 18 he was 18 in 2002 i apologize so he was born in 1974 no 84 85 70s why was he in 70s 84 okay 18 years old and um he he said on this day he received a call from his mom and heard screaming

on the other end of the line between her and her boyfriend okay okay he said i learned that my mom was punched in the jaw her boyfriend got on the phone and began taunting me over it in 2002 a woman is punched and the guy's like yeah yeah punched her that's right i'll do it again pussy yeah um she sustained a broken jaw and was taken to the hospital when brian arrived at the hospital he said he saw her boyfriend in the parking lot here we go it's a fight on site right yeah he said i was attempting to get to the guy who had assaulted her. I ran past an officer. He tried to grab me but lost his balance and fell. Uh-oh.

Now it's assault. I was arrested for assault on a police officer with result of injury. So not great. 2002, he graduates from Oak Hill High School. And, yeah, he was part of the wrestling team in high school. Oh, he was going to wrestle that motherfucker. Yeah, he was going to take him to the ground. He was going to fucking bum rush him there and leg dive him.

So he said he was part of that, and he joined the U.S. Navy after he graduates. Hell, yeah. Which is in 2003-ish, which was during, yeah, multiple wars going on. This was that time. He became a diesel engineer. Okay. And he ended up in the Iraq War as a diesel engineer. Running generators and shit.

He maintained the engine room and refueled the guided missile war cruiser on which he was stationed. Fucking cool. That's his job. Keep the generator going is basically his job here. So when he gets home from the Navy, he gets a job here in West Virginia at the Texas Steakhouse. What? There's a Texas Steakhouse.

Texas Steakhouse? Yeah, not the Texas Roadhouse. No, no, no, no. This is the hills. This is a Texas Steakhouse. Yeah Steakhouse? Not the Texas Roadhouse. No, no, no. This is the hills. This is the Texas Steakhouse. Yeah, in West Virginia. West Virginia. Here he met Lisa Medor.

And she also worked there. M-E-A-D-O-R. Medor? Medor? Could be Medor. Could be Medor. Something like that. I'm sure it's Medor. Yeah. He Medor. He Medor. He Medor. I Medor's matter that here. He met her. He met her. He met her. You know her.

You met her. She's an employee there also. So they start talking. Shortly thereafter, he gets rid of this Texas steakhouse garbage and gets a real job in the coal mines. Good Lord. And then he moves in with Lisa into her place, which is just a beautifully apportioned, wonderfully designed. Very spacious. Spacious Pemberton trailer. That's where they move into.

Yeah, of course. So that's what's going on. This is in 2003, 2004. This is when he moves in. So well before 2011. So, well before 2011. There was an incident in 2004 when Lisa returned home to find him extremely intoxicated. Okay.

He likes to get real shit-faced, and she hates it when he gets real shit-faced because he acts like a jerk. He acts like a jackass. This is a man who has been through some DV in his life. He's been through the war, and now he works in the coal mine, probably drinks a lot. Yeah, and that's what I mean. He's been in a war. And his childhood experience was, I got arrested for knocking a cop down while I tried to hit the man who punched my mama and taunted me about it. That's a different type of life.

That is a story. That's a different kind of life. Neither of us have that story. And that's just one day of his life. That's one day that the cops intervened in and the rest of the time he's been running around these hills who knows what's going on with no police the only reason it was documented is because that cop fell down that's it otherwise we wouldn't even know it it would have just been two hillbillies fighting in a fucking parking lot of a hospital that no one ever heard about i'm sure that happens all the time all the time tons every day so he's shit-faced she told

him to leave but and i give him credit here he was responsible enough to say he didn't want to drive i'm not driving on shit face you leave yeah so he didn't want to drive so he told her i'll just say on the porch i'm gonna sleep outside i'll just be on the porch so he goes out on the porch. I'm going to sleep outside. I'll just be on the porch. So he goes out on the porch all shit-faced. I'm literally in the doghouse. He said, well, I'm next to the doghouse. The dog was in the doghouse, and I can't. He wouldn't let me in. He was like, no, motherfucker, stay up there on that bench.

That's where you belong. So he said, quote, next thing I know, police pull in the driveway, start asking me questions. Oh, boy. What kind of questions? Well, just, you know, what's been going on. I think she called the cops on him to have him removed. And his answer to the cop and his questions was, quote, fuck you. Attaboy.

Which resulted in, you're under arrest, sir. Is that right? They arrested him for verbal assault. You can't tell a cop, fuck you. Apparently, I think they were going to take him. That feels like fucking First Amendment shit, doesn't it? That seems like on your own porch you should be able to say, fuck you. I should be able to tell any cop anything I want from my porch.

From my porch to go fuck their mother. Yeah, I think that should be totally fine. Eat all the dicks. I'll take it up your face i don't care get the fuck out of here i don't but the problem the problem is though i think they were coming to remove him from the residence and they probably said you have to leave and he said fuck you and they went all right all right well they took that as like a resisting i I don't understand it. But who knows? He was so shit faced. He was sleeping on the porch. So you don't know his recollection of this shit either.

So then from there, blackout drunk is fun. But yeah, it's more fun when you mix some pills into it, really. Oh, no. And as we know from anything you've ever seen on West Virginia, the pill bottle shaken is the Boone County mating call, like the wonderful whites of West Virginia. And they have quite the pill issue in West Virginia here. So he started heavily abusing oxycodone, roxycodone. What? Oh, roxy's, yeah.

Yeah, I've heard of that. I've heard of it. Roxycodone, I guess, is the end. And Xanax. All three. And Xanax. All three. And Xanax. In about 2007, he started doing this. So she said at that point it made him real difficult for him to keep a job.

He couldn't quite nail a job down, which makes sense. You don't want the guy passed out from pills next to you in the coal mine, probably. That could be dangerous. I don't want a guy operating a pickaxe uh on xanax because i take them before i go to bed because yeah i'm i'm useless when i take one this guy takes him with booze for a fun night for fun it's a different story it's a smile so he is his drinking and his pills and basically doesn't help with the bills because he has no income. So they're arguing all the time over one of those three things.

You're drunk. You're on pills. We have no money. One of those three. That's tough. So they said that she said that she was asked, was he more when he's on pills? Is he more agitated or more just dopey is what he's asked is what she's asked. And Lisa says, quote, dopey.

He's dopey on pills. Yeah. Which is better than violent on booze. Thank God. Yeah. Yeah. But he holds a job down less frequently. So it's, you know, who knows?

June 18th, 2011 comes around. Okay. They're still together. And as you can imagine, the relationship is flourishing at this point. It's doing terrific. He's still in the midst of a huge alcoholic pill bender from years ago. And it's still going on. He wakes up on June 18th, 2011, about 930 a.m. And left.

And at that point, Lisa left to go to Walmart. Okay. He took four or I'm sorry five or six blue xanax as he said blue ones five or six which seems a lot seems like a lot that's as many as that one yeah is that cartel guy asked me if i wanted girls after that comedy show we'll get you five six girls what no five six xanax five six xanax is too much so that's for what two weeks yeah right i take one and i'm useless for eight hours holy shit he does this around 10 30 a.m oh my god with five six this is before he's gonna go to his friend jeff redden's trailer okay because he needs more pills

because this is what he's got so That's where Jeff's got them. He does his pills. Jeff sells pills. He lives right down the trailer court there, a couple trailers over. So, yeah, he's got a drug problem. And Lisa didn't like him being at this guy's trailer. He basically wasn't allowed to go hang out at this guy's trailer. Sure.

So he said that he would slip off to this guy's trailer, though, just about every day to get pills at some point. Every day. Every day. So this is on, by the way, Coal City Road. This is taking place. These trailers are here. He said that, you know, sure. I'm sorry.

Lisa said she knew that this Jeff Redden had a trailer located nearby, and she didn't approve of him visiting Brian. He wasn't allowed to be there. She said, quote, I told him if I caught him there, I was going to break up with him and kick him out. Done. Okay. Ultimatum. Ultimatum. Lisa said she ran her errands that day.

She had gone to Walmart. He's doing pills. She ran her errands, returned home periodically. She said that he, she and Brian got into a fight during one of these periodic. Sure. Deals. So she went to play poker machines. But she and Brian got into a fight during one of these periodic deals. So she went to play poker machines. I'm going to the poker machines.

I'm going to go to the bar and sit at the end and play that stupid machine. Play that game. Yeah, they have those casinos there that you don't have to wear a shirt in in West Virginia. Right. Yes. So he says, I'm going to go over to Jeff's trailer, then get some more pills and have me a day if you're gonna be playing poker take that so he goes over to jeff redden's house and also over there is ronda mccoy now ronda mccoy is about four years older than him and um and she's hanging out at the house too he said brian said he left his residence

uh to get pills here and uh he said he hung out during the day uh over the course of the day he will consume what he calls a large amount of alcohol and we'll find out exactly what he's drinking in a second here what's a large amount and snorting a bunch of pills as well oh god he's doing it that way yeah and then this ronda mccoy is present here and she's uh you know she's hanging out and other people too people are coming and going all course over the course of the day you know because dude sells drugs so people come and go all the time in the hills here so that's a nightmare of a place to be this is crazy so he drives to he's arrives at the trailer and he said that Jeff Redden and Rhonda McCoy came outside.

And he said he, quote, didn't even know Rhonda's name until this happened. This is what he'll say later on. Okay. This is what he's going to say. This is Brian's story. He said, quote, I said, y'all got anything for sale? And they indicated they didn't at the time but should soon we're waiting on it yeah we'll have more soon the re-ups on its way re-ups on its way he said they invited him in

for a drink come in not for a drink but to drink so he parked his truck on the side of the road or on a side road out of view of lisa if she drove by because they live on the same street yeah he didn't want her to see his behind a bush yeah yep uh he went into the trailer where he hung out for about three hours in there good lord so it's him jeff redden ronda mccoy they're hanging out they consumed two one liter bottles of lord calvert whiskey oh my I don't think that's good whiskey. I guarantee it's not good whiskey. I've never heard of Lord Calvert brand whiskey.

I feel like that is like, wow. It feels like what you say after you drink it. Yeah, Lord Calvert that burns. Lord Calvert, I am so sick. Lord Calvert, I just had diarrhea for 20 straight minutes. Jesus, Lord Calvert, it went through me. Lord Calvert, I am so sick. Lord Calvert, I just had diarrhea for 20 straight minutes. Jesus. Lord Calvert, it went through me. Lord Calvert.

Lord Calvert whiskey, two liters of it. That's so much whiskey. Yeah, does whiskey come by the liter? Is that what it comes by? It's generally, I mean, by the fluid ounce, but it's generally i mean by the by the uh uh fluid ounce but it's like or like the 750 milliliters they don't sell it i guess milliliters like a coke bottle no they don't sell it no they don't sell it like a dr pepper okay that's what i'm wondering so they drink two one liter bottles of lord calvert whiskey with three people over a

three-hour period by the oh way. Oh, in three hours. Pounding the Lord Calvert. That is hammering that shit. Jesus. And snorted some pills. Oh, my God. That Jeff had hanging out. How does that feel good?

I don't know. How could that possibly feel good? You're in a whole other realm of existence if this is what you do. And if this feels good to you you're like man i'm gonna party today drink me a liter of whiskey and snort some pills at 10 30 in the morning i'm feeling good i want to know what lord calvert whiskey costs not much i'm gonna say it's $13 for for what a gallon for for a handle, yeah. Yeah, that's ridiculous. A fucking gallon.

Do you know how bad that is? That's so bad for you. Quote, unquote, Canadian whiskey. Yeah. That's not Canadian whiskey. That is alcohol with caramel coloring. Yeah. All that is.

Pure alcohol. 2.3 stars. I bet. You know what? I'm going gonna write that down Lord Calvert that we are definitely gonna review that

for your stupid opinions at some point so tune in to hear what people think about Lord Calvert Lord Calvert we'll do it next week so

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then, he's hanging out. He had taken all he had taken five or six pills before he got here. Now he's snorted more. Two liters of of the Lord

of the Lord's work here. The Lord's Calvert. The Lord's Calvert. By mid-afternoon, other people started arriving and they gathered around a fire pit outside the trailer.

All right. But do you think he's hanging out around the fire pit? No. No, because he's scared that Lisa will drive by and see him hanging outside the fire pit. He's got to hang inside and shout through the window. Yeah. So he's got to hang out inside. Get your shit together, man. Wow. He doesn't know the people that arrived that are hanging out there

but yeah he said he went back inside he and jeff redden went back in jeff went back in to hang out with him too he says quote at some point ronda came in there she began to dance pretty much to herself okay he said it wasn't directed at anybody at some point she began to lift her shirt up well she's real fucked up i don't know if there's music she's dancing at some point she starts to lift her shirt up so she's doing like a strip tease yeah she's she's doing the fucking the the pill booze crawl yeah i'm on a lot of pills and lord calvert yeah i'll do that dance if you give me Lord Calvert and I snort a bunch of pills. I'll be dancing lifting my shirt up if you put something on. It's a Lord Calvert slither.

Wow. The Lord Calvert boogie. I love it so much. Jesus. He says that it wasn't a lap dance. We never touched. Her and Jeff never touched. It wasn't that type of thing.

They were just sitting there and she was dancing around. So at one point here, she's done dancing. When she's finished, she told him, meaning Brian and Jeff Redden, y'all owe me $20 each for the dance. What? But she's not kidding. She's dead serious. She's like, give me $20 each for the dance. What? But she's not kidding. She's dead serious. She's like, give me $20. And they said, Brian said, I'm not fucking paying you $20 if I didn't ask you to do that.

And for $20 in a West Virginia Hills trailer, that's a blowjob money. What are you talking about? Do you know what the economy is around here? $20 in a reputable strip club is is a bit high yeah that's what i mean this is in a trailer living room an unsolicited dance where there wasn't even even that so he said she turned to me and said the same thing and i gave the same answer that's what brian said so neither of them are doing it. He said she started arguing then. Okay. This is she started arguing

with Brian and Brian says I was not the one being aggressive. I was not the one cussing and screaming. That's what he said. She was cussing and screaming with Matt. Now that's not what Jeffrey says though. Oh Jeffrey says that

he says he didn't even know what they were arguing about. That's not what Jeffrey says, though. Oh, Jeffrey says that he says he didn't even know what they were arguing about. That's what Jeffrey says. So she didn't say anything to Jeff. Apparently not. But he said, I don't know, or maybe he thought that had blown over and he was like, they can't still be arguing about that. That's over with. said that brian at some point got quote real real mad at her and that jeff redden heard brian hazlett call ronda mccoy quote a bitch and a whore multiple times all right um but then he intervened because he's like this could get out of hand jeff redden comes and intervenes and says

brian you need to go home this is getting out of hand you need to go home you know i'm not going to tell the broad who's taking her shirt half off to go home you need to go home also you're causing a stir i run pills and drugs out of my house i need you to get the fuck out of here you got yeah you gotta go here and he told mccoy ronda that you're too fucking drunk by the way he's gotta go you're too shit-, by the way. He's got to go. You're too shit-faced. You need to go lay down. Or you can fucking leave too, but I guess she was staying there. So that was it.

So Jeff said, I thought it was settled. I didn't think there would be any more to it. That was it. You go home, you go to bed, fucking problem solved. Sit by the fire and everybody eats shit. So he said he remembers the door shut, being shut and locked to his house, and then he passed out drunk, too.

Redden. Oh. The evening came around, and so a few hours go by. He passes out drunk after he locked the house up. Rhonda was in there sleeping. Everybody's fine. No more deals being made. All that arguing and you're drunk, you need to go home. You're drunk, you need to go to bed.

This was all in the middle of the afternoon, by the way. This isn't 2 a.m. behavior. This is like 3.30 in the afternoon. Jesus. The sun's up, all this going on. So Brian heads home. Redden thinks he went home about 12.30 or 1. So that's when this happened, at noon.

This is a lunchtime argument. Oh, my. So he's only there for an hour and a half, two hours tops. He says, though, Brian says, quote, this is the time things are start getting foggy. That's what he says at this point. It's all starting to hit him. He got back to his truck and he went home and started got a beer out of his fridge and started drinking it. He got back to his truck and he went home and got a beer out of his fridge and started drinking it.

Okay? Yeah. Lisa gets home about 9.30 at night from playing a lot of poker. She said he was shit-faced, clearly a drunk, but his mother showed up a couple minutes before Lisa got there and took all the beer in the fridge and cracked them and poured them out down the sink because he was so drunk already and he was wanting more beer. Okay. So she said, I'm pouring all your beer out.

You're not having any more beer tonight. Okay. That's like the worst thing you can do to somebody, but you shouldn't be so immature and such a problem that people even think to do that he's been drinking and doing pills since 11 o'clock in the morning yeah it's 9 30 it's 9 at night it's like he's such an alcoholic that's the only way to get him to stop is to remove the alcohol in the sink jesus so that's a lot so anyway um she lisa said that he told her that he quote killed a man in a fist fight okay he he came outside and what was trying to wash his truck which there was mud on his truck

and he said i killed a man in a fist fight and i'm washing my truck to get the blood off okay and she said she didn't believe him at all that you killed a man and he said there's she said that's mud not blood there's no blood on your truck it's only mud and he said i killed a man that's what happened he by the way has not killed a man at all here so a couple hours later um he decides he's still up somehow he stumbles through the living room and says i'm going back to jeff's house to get more beer oh god okay he's going to trailer to get more beer so at this point um you know this is wild shit he's going back there he's nuts now while he's there, though, he is shit-faced. He grabs a big buck knife, a big folding buck knife, and puts it in his pants as well. From his house or from Jeff's?

From his house. No, from his house. On his way out to go back to Jeff's. Lisa had bought it for him for Christmas. So he leaves the house, and both Lisa and Jeff's mom, or Lisa and Brian Brian's mom tried to stop him, but they couldn't stop him. As we'll talk about, he knocked his mom down. Actually. Yeah.

Yeah. He knocks his mom down and he says he doesn't remember. He says, the next thing I remember, I woke up in Beckley at my mom's house on the morning of the 19th. What? That's what he says. So, yeah, I don't know about that. Lisa said that he had the knife tucked into the back of his pants when he was leaving. Oh, I'm sorry.

The knife wasn't purchased for him. It was purchased for her 12-year-old son for Christmas. And he's like, I'll take your son's knife. It's a folding knife? I guess it's a folding knife. Yeah. It's a hunting knife, they're calling it. No, it's a bigger one than that. It's a folding knife it's a i guess it's a folding knife yeah okay it's a hunting knife they're calling it no it's a bigger one than that's a big one he said i she she said i

tried to hug him to get the knife away but he jerked away from me because he knew what i was trying to do okay she's had to disarm him before i feel like yeah so he ends up leaving and then coming back a little while later. When he returns home, she said he's pale as a ghost and his hands and face are covered in blood. Okay. And face. And face. She, Lisa, got scared and ran and locked herself in the bathroom at this point.

Yeah. Not having it. Came home looking like the guy from American Horror Story. Yeah. It's disturbing. So, yeah. Anyway, this all goes on. He was only gone 10, 15 minutes, and he comes home covered in blood. Wow.

Yeah. She said his face, his whole body was white as a ghost. He had blood on his face and hands. The hunting knife had, I don't think it's a folding knife the more I look at it. It's a big buck knife? Yeah, the hunting knife had blood on it as well, and she noticed a cut on his hand. And she said, I said, what did you do? And he told her he got really upset and had cut his hand, and he kind of wandered off.

Got upset and cut my hand. His mom said he was also white as a ghost. She said he was also making growling noises, which isn't good. Like Zool, you know what I mean? He's making Sigourney Weaver noises, and went into the bathroom and threw up. And he threw up. And he threw up, and that's when Lisa got scared and she ran to the bathroom. So he ends up leaving with his mother, leaving this residence at about 1.30 or 2 a.m. And they went to her home in Beckley, which is about 15 minutes away.

Lisa said she tried to sleep but was only able to sleep for a couple hours. At some point, Brian called her, told her he loved her, and told her again that nothing had happened, actually. I just cut my hand. It's fine. Nothing happened. Just cut my hand. She's like, you didn't kill a man? No.

So she then drove the mother here, drives him to Beckley. And like we said, the next morning, that goes on all night. He's calling her, whatever. But the next morning, Lisa calls Brian to say there's cops and ambulances across the way here at Jeff's trailer. What the fuck's going on? Yeah. So apparently Jeff Redden had awoken to find the door open, the one that he had locked. Yeah.

The contents of Rhonda's purse spilled across the front of the living room floor, which isn't normal. purse spilled across the front of the living room floor which isn't normal and eventually he went to his back you know spare bedroom and that is where he found ronda back there we'll tell you what's what's going on with her but what's going on here with uh with brian and his mom is she drove him to her to his house but there was cops blocking the way so they turned around okay there they saw a friend and a friend told brian that ronda had been murdered okay so now he tells his mom this okay he tells his mom that he went up to the trailer because ronda was threatening to tell his fiancee that they were having sex. So he went in and asked Rhonda who was there,

and she stated Jeff who was passed out in the bedroom. He asked her about the back room, and she walked back to look, and no one was there. So he stabbed her. He told his mom he stabbed her in the throat and then stuck the knife through her neck, entering on the side and exiting on the other, like a Friday the 13th movie. Oh, my God. Then pulled forward, ripping her throat open.

He stuck it in, had it in all the way, and then pulled it forward so it cut out her throat from the inside. Oh, Jesus. Ever hear of a throat getting cut from the inside? I haven't. Now I have. Wow. her throat from the inside jesus ever hear of a throat getting cut from the inside i have never now i have i think we've wow that's like scream style shit that's a horror that's a horror movie special effect that somebody would come up with yeah to like as a crazy way to kill somebody yes and that's what this man did what the fuck um yeah um He said that she began gurgling on blood at that point. Yeah, that's drowning, sir. So he stabbed her in the lung.

Oh, good Lord. He stabbed her in the lung. He stabbed her way more than that. That's all he tells his mom. But we'll talk all about that pretty soon. So ambulances are arriving. As this is going on, they're driving away. So ambulances are arriving.

As this is going on, they're driving away. She calls him again and says, Lisa calls Brian again and says, I thought you said that you didn't do anything up there. And he said, oh, Lisa, you know that place. Somebody probably OD'd or something. You know how it goes. But then soon after that, cops arrived at their trailer, at Lisa and Brian's trailer. Lisa was getting ready to leave to go see her mom, but she stopped by a sheriff's department captain. And Lisa said, quote, he asked me if I knew what it was about.

I said, is it something that happened up there? Did someone get hurt? And he shook his head, like nodded his head, saying, yeah. And Lisa said, tears were coming to my eyes and i said did somebody die he told her yes and then she told him all the stuff that happened the night before about brian um so he back to brian and his mom in the car he said he was confused and had no clue how any of this had happened so he said i don't understand that i don't know i don't even know what's going on here so they kept driving and he's telling his mom what happened um he said i didn't believe her

i became very confused about things at one point i was i i was asked to look under the passenger seat i did because his mom her mom was his mom was telling him you told me what happened last night you said you stabbed a girl in the neck and pulled the knife out and all this type of shit. He's like, no, that's not true. I didn't tell you that. So she said, reach under the passenger seat and pull out what you find. And he said, I reached down and pulled out the knife, a buck knife. At that point, my heart sank.

I didn't know what to do. I did roll down the window and i threw the knife out the window he did tossed it out the window so they tried to take an alternate route and they came to another roadblock and officers found out who he was they asked to speak with him uh he said i don't know anything about this murder or anything like that i don't know shit blah blah blah so yeah they drive the other route. Now what ended up happening June 19, 2011 according to Redden who was at the trailer

he was passed out from drinking woke up. Shit scattered everywhere. He discovered Rhonda he discovered Rhonda in the bedroom in the spare bedroom under a pile of clothing. He covered her up? Goodwill clothes. he just piled

it up on top of her wow so jeff redden calls 9-1-1 and he said that the victim had been in a fight with a guy named brian who was down the street and he said that they said have you performed cpr and he goes i would gladly do that but there's no this isn't a need yeah she's been dead and her she has no throat so there's really this isn this isn't going to work. There's nowhere to breathe into. No, if you breathe in her mouth, it's just going to come out. You're going to feel it. So they said that the sheriff's deputies came in and found her dead with obvious stab wounds and a, quote, massive wound across her neck,

as you can imagine. Good God. That would pull things out, Jesus. Yeah. The cause of death turns out to be 23 distinct stab wounds. That's 23, including that the doozy there inflicted to her head, neck, torso and upper extremities. They said that she was nearly beheaded by the by the knife in and out and but said her death was not instantaneous. It took a few minutes. Get the fuck out.

Yeah. She also suffered on top of that. They said that her trachea and two arteries were both severed, leaving her unable to scream as well. That's why she gurgled there. So, yeah. So Jeff Redden says, I think I heard Brian threaten her first, saying that you ain't going to fucking tell my wife anything. And then called her a bunch of names. Said he was pretty drunk.

And then he said, though, later on at trial, he'll say, after thinking about it a little more, then I can't remember him ever drinking anything there. And he didn't seem to be staggering or nothing like that. Everybody else said he was fall down drunk, though. So I think he was. They drank two liters of whiskey. Of Lord Chalivant's, or what was it? Lord Calvert. Calvert, Jesus.

So how did they find out who it was other than him saying it was Brian? Well, they didn't even need this guy's testimony because when they showed up, Captain James Barr discovered a, or Bear, discovered a trail of blood leading from the house to his trailer, right to his front door. Literally a trail of blood. As he's dripping somebody else's blood. And his own. That's so much blood. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

23 stab wounds. He cut himself. So they video the blood trail all the way there, linking the two trailers together, which looks bad. Inside the trailer, there is a giant pool of blood in the back there linking the two trailers together which looks bad inside the trailer there is a giant pool of blood in the back bedroom of the trailer blood spatter all over the bedroom 23 stabs and deep too wow um a pool of blood was videoed under the trailer having leaked all the way through the trailer to the ground in that little time That's how much blood there was and how poorly trailers are constructed. Both of those things.

Exactly. Together in one place. So, yeah, the porch, it goes all the way to his porch, which is pretty amusing. Lisa told the captain that he came home in the middle of the night, covered in blood.

He said he had a cut on his hand. He was carrying a knife. He went with his mother to go home and then I don't know shit about nothing. So the captain approaches him, reads him his Miranda rights, said that he did not appear to be impaired or under any distress at that point, but it was way later. So the captain recorded this interview, which is pretty funny. The clothing, by the way, that he was wearing was never found, but the knife that he tossed out the window was found the next morning with the help of his mom saying where he threw it out. At the station, they're taking photos of his face and hands with the blood all over it.

And he said to everybody, quote, I did it. Let's go. What are we waiting on? Oh, what? Snap, snap. Prison. Let's go. That's not how it works, make with the prison what are we doing

here i'm about to start with withdrawals i need to get in a cell yeah let's get me the fucking a cell here so i can find somebody to buy some shit off of so they asked him about his his fingers that appeared to be bleeding and he said that he'd been injured at work a few days earlier and they went okay well and two minutes later, they're like, we know you didn't hurt yourself at work. You don't have a fucking job, blah, blah, blah. And he said, okay, I stabbed Rhonda, fine. So they record it and it goes a little something like this.

Oh, boy. Quote, this is Brian. She was just up there dancing for me and jeff and nobody told her to and then we come outside and she was like will you owe me money and the cop says okay and he says i said no no and the cop said wait you owed her money for dancing wait let me get this hillbilly economy straight you owed her money for dancing brian says, yeah. And he says, and she said, well, I'm going to tell your old lady then. That's the problem with going to pill houses and letting everybody know I'm not supposed to be here. That's the thing.

No, no, she was going to tell him that we were fucking as the threat. Okay. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched.

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well, all right, great then. That's a full confession. He said that was that. So the cop said, so what did you do then? And he said, just went back to my house and come back, and that was that. And the cop said, were you mad when you went back to your house? And he said, uh-huh, yes.

Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah. He just said, uh-huh. So at that point, the cop said, okay, so you drove home, and then you walked back up here. Is that right yeah is the answer cop says okay you walked back up here with a hunting knife is that right you have to say yes or no by the way he says uh-huh isn't good enough so he says yes and he says of course i so you know what i mean just talk her. And she was still saying that shit.

Still saying that shit. So I didn't want her telling my old lady nothing. That's what he said. So the cop says, I see what happened. But I get it. I get what you're saying. But I want you to tell me what happened. I mean, I can see it, but I want you to tell me.

That was that. What do you want? That's that that jesus christ how much more detail do you want out of a feller you're gonna have to you know what you're gonna have to smash up some pills on this table if you want anymore he said i just stabbed her in the throat like duh yeah the cop said said stabbed her in the throat how many times did you stab her he said i don't know that was that the cop said, stabbed her in the throat. How many times did you stab her? He said, I don't know. That was that. The cop said, a bunch? Which is not an official. A bunch?

His response? I don't know, I guess. The most casual murder of all time. They said, did you cut your hand during the altercation? And he said, yeah. And the cop said, was she fighting you? He said you he said no you know just stabbing real hard savaging her body yeah so hard that he cut himself he stabbed the neck was the first blow and she was done really yeah that was the first she stabbed her in the neck first then he just hacked at her oh my god so he said no so the cop said, no, she was just saying she was still going to tell your wife,

and you pulled out the knife and cut her throat, and he said, yeah. So the cop said, I mean, did you try to hide her body or anything? This is poor. He was almost going to say, you're not good at this, sir. I know this is your first murder because we'd have caught you a long time ago and we're terrible at our jobs i've seen good ones this ain't good this ain't good and he he said about that quote no i threw clothes over her i guess which isn't hiding a corpse he said all right the cop says where you stabbed her is that where where she's laying now

and that's where you stabbed her? And he said, yep. So there you go. That's what he admits to the whole thing. They're going to charge him with first degree murder by deliberation and premeditation. And alternatively, through the commission of a felony, which is burglary. Because he went through all that shit. So during the pretrial motions here, the judge grants a motion from the prosecution to bar testimony from a defense psychiatrist.

Okay. So the, in the psychiatrist's opinion, um, I guess they said that the reason they're barring it is because the evidence, the psychiatrist cited in his opinion did not come from his interview with Brian,

but from friends and family members who were not at the scene of the crime. So I guess the statements, I guess there were statements in his report that were conflicting, and they played a recording for the judge here between Miller and Brian, and during the interview, Hazlett said he was not attracted to McCoy

and that the two never had sex, but he was hanging out with her and a male friend at a vacant trailer at the night of the incident. He said McCoy started dancing, lifting up her shirt, demanding money, and he said she started a big argument with him and a friend said he needed to go home and all that. He told the psychiatrist that he remembered getting in the truck, but he couldn't remember anything after that. So the psychiatrist said, so you're basically missing 10 hours. And he said, yeah.

He said, quote, I'm to blame, but I don't think I'm 100% to blame. Okay. Okay. That's a tough one. I think you're definitely 100%. There's really no other. I mean, I'd venture is a 150 but yeah he said i think i committed a murder but i don't think it's 100 my fault

who's he put the other who's he put some percent on yeah i gotta give you know that one his lock wasn't very good you know i'm saying i gotta give, you know, my girlfriend didn't make sure I stayed home. I'm going to give 10% to Kwikset probably. Yeah, you know, Rhonda gets a couple percent to her because she came around bitching for $20. This is God's country, so we got to give 15% to God. Jesus Christ. You got to tithe. You got to tithe. That's important.

You got to give 15 15 up to him so during the trial the jurors are going to see some seriously gruesome photos oh god i cannot imagine horrific uh yes yeah like a reverse oj oj did it from the front this guy did it from the inside her body's nearly decapitated found covered in clothes that's they have pictures have pictures of. The prosecution tells jurors here that the prosecutors, they don't show this physical evidence in the murder case to offend you or to sensationalize. She said murder is ugly. From the nature and the extent of the injury suffered by the victim,

we have proved the defendant is a malice. He's got intent to kill, and we're going to prove his premeditation. She described the actions as evil and unspeakably cruel. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. She said that it's impossible to fathom the degree of terror that Rhonda felt her last moments of her life. Yeah, I would say so. She couldn't breathe.

Defense wise here, they say they don't deny that he killed the victim here but they just say he doesn't remember anything that happened between the hours of 2 p.m on june 18th 2011 and between then and 9 a.m on june 19th so whole day is gone yeah due to the lord calvert and uh xanax pills it's really the lord that did this to me i made my own men in black flashy thing you know how it is it's good too it works it works boy it's called lord calverts i call it it's a men in black flash lord calvert five six xanax and then snort till the cows come home it's over buddy i'll tell you what i'll tell you what so now the defense though the law in the state of West Virginia states that unless someone is drinking intentionally to be able to gas themselves up to do a crime, like I'm going to drink 10 beers and go commit this crime. Unless that's the case, even if they got themselves grossly intoxicated, they call it, voluntarily, in that state they have not the mental capacity to form premeditation or intent,

and the most they can be convicted of is second-degree murder. That's the law. Really? But the state is not trying it like that at all. So he testifies brian he's asked by his lawyer are you a violent person he said no of course gosh gosh no geez gee gee whiz golly i don't even i don't even own a knife oh shot to take it from a 12 year old he should 12 year old shouldn't have knives. You know what I mean? They could hurt themselves.

They said, are you responsible for taking Rhonda McCoy's life? And he said, I believe I am. Well, yeah, we know you are. He said he had told the jurors no recollection of what happened. He said the information I learned when he did his confession was that I stabbed somebody in the throat, slit their throat, and threw clothes over them. And the lawyer said, was it a conscious decision? And he said, not at all. If it was conscious, it wouldn't have happened.

If it was conscious, I'd remember it. I'd remember all of it. So the prosecutor, on the other hand, cross-examines, and he agreed that when he consumes alcohol, he becomes a more aggressive person to a point, because they're like, you drank, and you know you're more aggressive when you drink. Right. He also the prosecutor noted Brian's drunk driving conviction seven months before the murder. So drinking is a problem for you as well as and this is ridiculous because it was years ago.

Two suspensions in high school for fighting. Please. That's insane. That's that has nothing to do with anything. He's so violent. Yeah, that's nothing. And one suspension for bringing drugs to school, which again is not murder. So at the night of the murder, he said that he had no memory again. So the prosecutor asked, did you have anything to drink at your mother's?

And he said, no. And they said, well, how did you remember that? No, I don't remember nothing. And he said, nobody ever said they said, well, how did you remember that? No, I don't remember nothing. And he said, nobody ever said I did. That's his answer. They said, did you have sex with Ms. McCoy? And he said, no. And they said, I thought you couldn't remember anything that happened that evening.

They keep asking him questions and he keeps answering them rather than saying I don't remember. He's a fucking moron, this guy. He is really dumb, yeah. He is dumb as balls, man. And then he said, I'm pretty sure I didn't. I've never cheated on Lisa. Call me what you will. Drug addict, scumbag, murderer, but I ain't no liar.

I'll tell you that right now. I will not cheat on a lady. I'm a one-woman man. I'm a loyal puppy in the end. So they said, have you ever butchered a woman before? That's nice. And he said, I haven't. No, like you've never cheated, but you've also never killed someone before.

So, you know, maybe that was the first time for everything. She asked later in the questioning, so you're not denying malice, intent to kill or premeditation. You have no memory of anything, you and he said no ma'am she said who stabbed miss ms mccoy in her neck torso and upper extremities he said i did it was me okay and she said well who sliced her from ear to ear and he said it was me but i just don't remember it so it's a five-day trial Jurors hear testimony from 15 different witnesses here all over the place, including responding officers, medical examiners, Lisa, mom, everything. Now, his mother is a defense witness, even though she showed them where the knife is and is pretty much the prosecutor's nail in the coffin because he confessed to her, too. The knife is and it's pretty much the prosecutor's nail in the coffin because he confessed to her, too.

He filled in all of his stuff with allegedly with what he told her, what she told him that he told her. So it's one of those defense closing. OK, the attorney offers to juries. This is the defense attorney that has. He says, listen, your opinion is the only thing that matters here. That's it. Nobody else's. Don't listen to that prosecutor. You think for yourself.

Don't listen to anybody. He said, quote, you all have more power than you'll have at any other time in your life, which is a weird way to approach a juror. You're going to decide whether or not to deprive a man of his liberty, and if so, for how long? And if so, for how long? He said that the state had not met its burden of proving the elements of first-degree murder, especially premeditation. They said Hazlett wasn't capable of formulating the intent to commit murder. Can any of us say at the time this occurred he was fully conscious and aware of what he was doing? I respectfully submit that we cannot.

Well, I respectfully think you're a dickhead. I think you're a dickhead because he remembered he was home by 1 o'clock. He went back 10 hours later to do this. And he held a grudge for 10 hours. The fact that you have a cooling off, that's how they decide if something's kind of heat of the

moment or not. Did you have time to cool off and do it? 10 hours is a shitload of cool off time. That's shitload decide if something's kind of heat of the moment or not. Did you have time to cool off and do it? Ten hours is a shitload of cool off time. That's shitload. The most. And he had to nearly knock his mother down as she tried to and also pushed his girlfriend away as they tried to get him to stop. So, yeah, it's not like he was in like a trance and didn't think of it. They tried to tackle him for Christ's sake. So that's crazy.

Prosecution closing here. They wrap up their trial by asking the jury to find him guilty and not recommend mercy. First-degree murder means life in prison. Now, with or without parole is whether the jury recommends mercy or no mercy, which is pretty cool and Roman and weird. It's really weird. Thumbs up or what what what are we doing here strange stuff so the jury uh she said she said that he has hazel did not show quote a threat a shred of remorse nor did he shed a tear quote he couldn't even muster one on the witness stand

yeah cobra so that's right. Cold as fuck, baby. Yeah. The verdict comes in after four hours of deliberations. Yeah. Which seems like too much. But I guess it's not, because you have to, it's this degree. You have to talk about it, yeah. They find him here guilty of first degree murder.

Yeah. They find him, yes. Yeah, because he went back and brought a knife. He went back. The jurors here, he's going to speak before he's sentenced here, whether they offer mercy. And he said that he was sorry. He apologized to the victim's family and his own family and said, I never intended for any of this to happen. I do have a lot of remorse for this.

Yeah. Sweep the leg, Johnny. They said, you, sir, may fuck off and get no mercy yep life without parole i'll get him a body bag life without parole here yeah holy shit so the prosecuting attorney said that the verdict was a relief for the victim's family who said that they planned to spread her ashes today oh that's nice that nice. That's good. That's nice that they were waiting to get closure and then they can set her free. That's kind of cool. So the appeal comes around quickly.

And the appeal is that they erred by refusing to instruct the jury about the legal effect of his intoxication on the ability to premeditate his murder. Because it is in the law. Yeah. But it is denied, the appeal. Four out of five people vote to deny him. They said, upon review, were unable to find that the circuit court abused its discretion by refusing to give the jury a voluntary intoxication instruction. The only evidence presented by the defendant regarding the level of his intoxication was his own self-serving testimony that he was drinking and ingesting prescription drugs in the afternoon before the murder. In all fairness, that is what he does.

If he's sitting there, he's drinking and taking drugs. He's used to it. Yeah, that's what he does. So and the testimony of Lisa and his mom that he was fairly intoxicated that evening. That's all they have. However, neither Lisa nor his mom testified that they observed him drinking alcohol. But he was so drunk they poured his beer out. Right.

That's, you know what I mean? Whether they've seen him put alcohol inside him or not, they see what his effects are and they know what he looks like when he's drunk. Yeah, no shit. Just because you didn't see him drink it doesn't mean he's not drunk doesn't mean he wasn't drinking it yeah absolutely they also highlighted the level of detail in his confession to the cops as well as his actions leading up to and during the murder he knew a lot uh such actions are not indicative of gross or extreme intoxication but rather are considerable evidence of the ability to form and the requisite intent for first degree murder.

Yeah. But there is a dissent here. Justice Robin Jean Davis dissented. She said the trial court denied the instruction, quote, even though it was supported by the evidence. She said that she believed Hazlett was entitled to a new trial, said we've held that provided the accused did not intentionally become intoxicated so as to prepare himself for the commission of a crime. Intoxication of an accused is a defense to the charge of murder in the first degree when the degree of intoxication is such to render the accused incapable of premeditation and deliberation. I think he was that drunk and he could fucking deliberate and premeditate because he's used to it. I think he's one of those.

Yes. There's people that are alcoholics that have a fucking.25 fucking blood alcohol content right this minute. And you have no fucking idea about it when you talk to them because they're functioning alcoholics all right they go to work they drink on lunch they deal with it they drive fine they can pull it off because their body's so tempered to that shit and they'll get a dui because they'll forget to use a turn signal or forget to turn their lights on that's how they get caught they're still driving fine once you see them and smell them then it's a different story like oh boy yeah jesus how many of oh jesus wow you don't seem that drunk i'll watch on patrol sometimes like that or live pd whatever it is now and they'll they'll and i'm like that guy doesn't seem that drunk and he'll blow like a three

fucking one and i'm like holy shit that guy's an alcoholic because he's carrying on a conversation like nothing's going on if i'm 0., the only way the cops are pulling me over is if they found my car on the side of the road and found me asleep in it. That's the way they'd find me. I wouldn't be driving. I'd be passed out in it on the side of the road. Like, we found you sleeping in your back seat. That's not with puke all over you.

And your car's running. Yeah, your car's running. There's throw-up all over you. It's a mess. I don't know. Did you pick up a hitchhiker? He's in the front seat sleeping. I. And your car's running. Yeah, your car's running. There's throw up all over you. It's a mess. I don't know. Did you pick up a hitchhiker? He's in the front seat sleeping. I don't know what's happening.

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