Small Town Murder - #445 - Bed Chains & Dark Deeds - Socastee, South Carolina

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

This week, in Socastee, South Carolina, strange videos, a string of aggressive phone calls, a man, who is chained to the bed, every night, and the buying of a middle of the night Walmart pregnancy test all seem to add up to an awful murder, but detectives can't seem to be able to prove it. What happens when all the evidence points to only one brutal conclusion, but You don't know it can be proven in court?Along the way, we find out that no price is apparently too high to pay to swim with an elephant, that you should always remember that your cell phone can be a map to everything you've done, and that if your wife chains you to the bed at night, your marriage may be in trouble!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I think it's time everybody to sit back. Oh boy. Let's all do this. Let's take all deep breaths, arms to the sky, and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this,

everybody. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we? We shall. All right. We're going on down to Sucosti, I guess. Sucosti, Sucosti, one of those. Sucosti, I think, is how you want to say it.

Sucosti. It's S-O-C-A-S-T-E-E. Sucosti, Sucotash. Sucotash. Suffering Sucosti. South Carolina. This is in eastern. Suffering Succoty. South Carolina. This is in eastern South Carolina over by the shore. It's over by Myrtle Beach.

It's right by Myrtle Beach. It is two hours to Charleston and about 15 minutes to Myrtle Beach. It's right there. Right there. Yeah. My dad used to live in this area before he moved back to New York. He lived in Muriel's Inlet, which actually comes up in the story. Oh, is that right?

Yeah, right there. Milton, that's got to be close, too up in the story. Oh, is that right? Yeah, right there. Hilton Head's got to be close, too. I'm not sure about that. It's got to be right there. I don't know too much about the geography. I just know that Muriel's Inlet's near Myrtle Beach. My dad lived there, and the story's in that area. Other than that, that's where my South Carolina expertise ends here. My aunt still

lives in Hilton Head. Oh, that's right. Yeah, she's nice, too. This is about 3 hours and 15 minutes to Rock Hill, South Carolina, which was our last South Carolina episode, episode 396, which was Sifting Through Suspects was the name of it, and that was a twisty one there.

This is in Horry County, or down there they might say Horry County. I'm not sure. Like Robert Horry. H-O-R-R-Y. Little bit of history here. The name, obviously, was right away. Where'd they come up with that? Succoty?

Yeah. What is it? Succoty. Succoty. Succoty. Jesus, it's confusing. It derives its name from a local swamp. Oh.

Let's name the town after the swamp. This place is gross great uh they had an indian name which was uh saucasty in the early colonial days here and they just kind of updated it to this and said let's name the town after the swamp and uh there you go near here there was a skirmish between of small forces between american and and British troops that occurred near the creek here, the Sacasti Creek, in 1781. And in the next hundred years, it became a big center for production and distribution of naval stuff.

Oh. So like turpentine and tar, which I guess you need for both. That's naval stuff? Oh, okay. I didn't know. I guess tar, I guess, to seal it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Turpentine and tar, which I guess you need for both. That's naval stuff? Yeah, I didn't know. I guess tar, I guess, to seal it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Turpentine to –

Turpentine to clean the barnacles? I don't know. They're always scrubbing, sanding, washing. It seems to be a rag. Yeah. Painting. There's always a – you really got to keep a boat. Yeah.

Applying something to something. Something and then taking it off again and then getting another rag. And then there's always some kind of rubbing or swirling to do and on a boat application of one form of another yeah daniel larusso from karate kid would be amazing at this a lot of wax on wax off barnacles off that's it a lot of that going on a lot of circular motions so um there was a sawmill turpentine distillery so it must have smelled great around there as multiple places made turpentine. I guess you have to filter it, but I don't. Just be high.

Distillery. Jesus. Get it down to 90 proof. You don't want that strong. It's too strong otherwise. Turpentine still. Jesus. Jesus.

They had a cotton gin, a gristmill, all that kind of shit here. It smelled wonderful. Oh, it smelled amazing. You get high walking through there. So the historic district was listed in the National Register of Historic Places in 2002. And like I said, right next to Myrtle Beach, so it's easy to get to the airports there because Myrtle Beach has an airport. This town is home to one of the 10 operational swing bridges in South Carolina. Yeah.

Which was built in 1935. What the hell is that? Well, according to the internet, it is a swing bridge. It's a movable bridge that has its primary structural support, a vertical locating pin and support ring, usually at or near to its center of gravity about which the swing span can then pivot horizontally as shown in the animated illustration to the right huh yeah sounds like it's got a weak point no it has it's it can like okay here's what it does

it opens it opens like imagine it's like a it's in the middle and the middle of the bridge turns sideways like that. To allow boats to cross through. Rather than draw a bridge going up, it goes open like a door. It's got a big thing in the middle that swings it. So it's like, I wouldn't want to be on one. I don't know if cars get stuck in the middle and we'll have to wait while they're in the middle of the water, which would be freaky. I'd want to talk to the engineer to show me why does this stay up. Why is this better?

Because that scares the shit out of me. Why is this better than just building the bridge a little higher? Now explain this to me. You put a bridge on a hinge. That doesn't sound good at all. You know what's good for bridges? The most working parts and moving parts possible. Let's really have as much shit that can go wrong as we can get.

How about that? You know what's good have as much shit that can go wrong as we can get. How about that? You know what's good about a bridge is that it's stable. Let's fucking ruin that. Let's destroy it. Let's make it fun. It's a swing bridge, everybody. Hey, hey.

Swing it on the bridge. Every time you cross it, you go, I made it. Hey, that was an adventure. I don't like that. So, reviews of this town. We don't know anything about it, so let's find out if people are terrified of the bridge or not. I don't like that. So reviews of this town. We don't know anything about it. So let's find out if people are terrified of the bridge or not.

Here we go. Yeah. All right. Reviews. Five stars. We love living in the Sacaste area in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. We bought our home over a year ago and we've loved it. Okay.

For a whole year. Our home backs up to a creek that leads to the waterway. Well, that's nice. That sounds good. You can take your kayak right out there. It's very peaceful and quiet in our cul-de-sac, and we have great neighbors. We are very happy with our location choice. Yeah.

What is that from? That sounds great. Your neighborhood's great. Terrific. What about the rest of us? People could be just murdering each other in the streets, stacking the bodies on the sidewalks of Main Street like cordwood, and you're like,

my neighborhood's terrific. Five stars. I got a cul-de-sac backed up to a crack. Oh, boy. Everybody wants that. That's nice. Yeah. Four stars. Okay. Next one. It's a small community with a lot of hidden gems to find.

What does that mean? What does that mean? I don't know. Restaurants, actual gems. Is there gold in them thar hills? What the fuck are you talking about? There's sapphires over on Burgundy Street. Wow.

It's getting bigger every day with new developments and other stores, offices, etc. So that's a double-edged sword there. Some people are going to like that and some people are going to hate that. So there you go. Three stars. Next one. We'll be the judge of that, Chief. We'll take our statistics and we'll talk about it.

And, yeah, we don't need your input on that. So three stars again here. So the three-star people always trip me out because they have no strong opinion on anything. They're not – I go to a place and I go, this place is great or this place is a pile of shit. I don't usually go, meh. You know, it's one or the other. Not a lot of in between, huh? No, go, meh. You know, that's one or the other. Not a lot of in-between, huh? No, not for me, anyway.

If it's not the best, it may as well just be the worst. That's all there is to it. It's either this is amazing or, wow, this is like Tampa. You know what I mean? There's one or the other. It's like Ybor City. A lot of improvements to make. Yeah.

Three stars. This is amazing. Don't really know a whole lot about them personally, but I don't have any complaints. That's it. There's no explanation. No context. No clarification on them. No in re.

None of that shit. It's not an answer to somebody else. You know what I mean? Nothing? Nothing. Not even like a quote, like them in quotation marks. Like, you know, wink, wink. None of that.

Just don't really know a whole lot about them personally but i don't have any complaints i won't complain all righty and then two stars finally this area is bad for locals and seems like it's getting worse by the day the cost of living is going up and the pay is at a standstill it's the beach yeah it's cost yeah cost of living at the beach is always going to be higher than any other place yeah the people that live there are generally i mean i i don't see a lot of south beaches but i see a lot of western beaches and a lot of those are broke people trying to get by and uh a lot of beach shops surf shops not a lot of crushing it their goal in life is to

live by the beach. That's the point. You've made it. That's what they're striving for. The other stuff is secondary. They want to live by the ocean. You've done it. You've got a Volkswagen Beetle with surfboards on top.

You're killing it. And when you leave, there's always someone there waiting in line to replace you at the beach. To live that life. Yeah. Somebody wants to do it. I'm barefoot. Yeah. Hey, look at me.

There's sand and everything. Isn't that great? I have to take three showers a day. Isn't that awesome? I don't own shoes. I don't know. I have an outdoor shower. How cool is that?

People in this town, 24,657 and growing rapidly, too, by the way. Male, female, few more females than males. It's about average. Median age, 42 1⁄2, so a couple years, by the way. Male, female, few more females than males, about average. Median age, 42 and a half, so a couple years older than the normal. A lot of people from 25 to 34 live here. A lot of people in that age group, which it's the beach, that makes sense.

And they would be the ones working in all the shops and the restaurants around that area. It's all the guys with man buns and a farmer's tan. Yeah. Loving life. Sand in his ass crack and around that area uh all the guys with man buns and a and a and a farmer's tan yeah loving life sand in his ass crack and uh you know and stank on his hang down from fucking from trolling the beach so uh hairless tanned ass that's the one so uh family in this town it's about 50 or 47 married so slightly below the average but uh 19 are single with children

so if you're looking for some single good times this might be the spot for you race in this town it's 74.9 white 6.9 black 1.1 asian and 14.9 hispanic so interesting yeah um religion in this town actually lower than most areas in south carolina because it's the beach you're going to get people from everywhere that come here tend to also not give a fuck about anything yeah you can sit there and go this is this is what i'm into you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah waves crashing and sun's rising and shit like that bonfire beaches that's it that's something so 42.6 percent of the people are religious but but the highest of all of them is, of course, Baptists. Because as we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South.

So they're always there. 0.0% Jewish in this town. In Horry County, the last election, 32.9% of the people voted Democrat, 66.1% Republican, 1% Independent. The unemployment rate here is higher than the national average. Oh, really? Yeah, a little bit higher. It's about 6.5%. And the median household income is lower than the national average here as well.

It's about $49,179 a year. So lower than usual, which is, you know. But the cost of living has to be crazy. But near the beach no because it's not down there really it's not in myrtle beach it's high and right on the beach but you can live relatively close to the water for cheap down there that's really that's why my dad lived down there because you could drive to the beach in 10 minutes and you were and it was pretty cheap so uh here cost of living 100 is regular here it. Oh. So it's a little bit low, actually.

And the lowest thing of all is housing. Median home cost here, $196,600. Way lower than the national average. Yeah. Don't tell anybody. These people are going to be pissed when we flood it. I think people are finding out, and that's why people were mad in the reviews there. So if we've convinced you, damn it, that you need to come down there, you want to be close to the water, and why not?

Soft some locals? We have for you the Sucas- what is it? Sucasti. Sucasti? Sucasti, South Carolina, real estate report. your average two-bedroom rental here goes for $1,190 which is right about the national average it's there so it seems like buying would be the better option uh but like housing that's available though it's honestly there is not a lot not a lot in that range of that median home cost. Here's one. It's a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,200-square-foot trailer. It's a big, double-wide trailer that's permanently there.

They're not going to wheel it away. They buried it. Well, it's got the siding around the bottom, so you can't see it's a trailer. It's on blocks. But with gardens around it, so it's permanent. They planted flowers around it. They're not going to roll it away. There's only windows on one side, which is interesting.

What? I don't know why, but one side is just straight corrugated metal, and then the other side has windows in it, so I don't know why. I mean, inside it looks like Grandma and Grandpa lived in a trailer. There you go. $79,000 for that little gem. So there you go. Four-bedroom, five-bath T-Ball for each and every b-hole here.

3,804 square feet. It is near one of those waterways, kind of like they have in Florida that come in from... Canals. Canals where everybody has a dock behind their house. Yeah, and it's just dirt and grass on the sides of it. Yeah, it's one of those. So the house is raised, which means it's going to flood at some point. You know, it's flooding.

It's certainly prepared for it. Yeah, they figured it out that you had to raise them up a little bit. Elevate it. Yeah, it's very nice, though. There's a lot of annoying signs everywhere in the house one of those like in this house we do this you know those fucking signs a lot of those everywhere eat in the kitchen yeah the word blessed is said about 700 times in this house on different signs it's really god damn it's really blessed um yeah the kid though in the kid's room, there is a Pac-Man arcade game, which, good for you.

Not bad at all. This house, $724,900. Expensive. But it's also 3,800 square feet on the water. The next house, four-bedroom, five-bath. Again, T-Bowl, for all your b-holes here. 3,000 square feet, even. And it's on 1.95 acres.

Okay. It's right on the water. Like, your backyard is the waterway. And it's, again, raised up. One of those. Inside, it's done in every... Somebody just redid it. It's a big HGTV

redo here. Looks nice. The backyard looks really cool. There's a double-decker boat launch going on back there. Double-decker, so there's two boats hanging out. Yeah. There's one on a slip. They're having some fun back there, yeah. It's $1,270,000 to live that kind of lifestyle, though.

Boy. Yeah, that's pricey, I think. It's a bit much. And depending on property tax, how the fuck do you live like that? There's hardly any property taxes down there. Really? Yeah, I don't think there is much. Yeah, it's a different world down there when it comes to that.

There has to be some, I know, but I don't know. It's not as high as some places, I know. But 1.95 acres, that's something. Maybe you'll pay a little bit on that. Things to do here. Okay, Myrtle beach safari yeah which is as seen on the tiger king documentary this is doc anthill's compound yes it is yep come on down to doc anthill's compound no come on get diddled play with a tiger

join a cult do it all come on in everybody the girls I have in rotation in my bed. It's going to be wonderful. Come see the girls that were lured in by playing with baby tigers. Only available by reservation. Wild Encounters Tour Day Safari. Okay. Starts at $389 a person. That man is charging $400 a ticket?

He's charging like four times disney world prices that's that's what is he doing wow i think about that you can go to the wild kingdom in disney world down there or not the the magic kingdom whatever the fuck they it's the wild magic whatever the hell the safari shit is right there are lions just running around on what looks like a you know african plane that you can and it's way less than that that's crazy 115 bucks come on yeah lions like hanging out in their natural habitats hundred dollars four hundred dollars so you can pet a baby tiger that is see a man's private zoo that is should be illegal yeah It might be at this point. I'm not sure. It might be by now. I haven't kept up on his court stuff.

It's located at our 50-acre wildlife preserve in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Hold on. Yeah, 50 acres. He only has 50 acres? That's what I'm saying. Oh, my God. Think of how big whatever the magic wild kingdom is down there.

It's probably thousands of acres. It's probably square miles, for Christ's sake. This guy's got 50 acres. 50 acres. I'm going to put lions, monkeys, elephants, rhinos. He's got like a small to mid-sized ranch. And he's like, let's get it now. We're making this the jungles, the wilds of Africa.

No, India, too. Bring, the wilds of Africa. No, India too. Bring in the tigers. Fuck it. I want the food chain in my yard. That's what he's got. It's so strange, man. God damn it. It's weird because tigers are in India, not Africa.

That's the thing people. Right. Lions are in Africa. Lions and tigers and bears never are in the same place at the same time. No, they're not. Different places. Different places completely. Why did they have them all in one place at all?

I don't know. What the fuck? Dorothy didn't get out much. What do you want? She's from that farm. This is her first time going out. She doesn't know any better. So spend your day with an array of wildlife.

Meet the world's largest big cat, the liger. So the lion-tiger mix there. Hug Bubbles, the African elephant. Oh, my God. Interact with exotic cats and wolves. Just dogs. They're just dogs that are half wolf. I've got prey animals that are dogs and cats together.

Jesus. Get up close to the fastest land animal, the cheetah. Bucket list interactions with baby chimps and monkeys. Bucket list interactions? All in 50 acres. Wow. Experience a 500-pound Bengal tiger run at full speed below your feet. You, like, watch it from above.

Play fun games with the chimp brothers. Animals vary and cannot be guaranteed. Animals vary. That last sentence is a way for him to steal $400 from you. Listen, you never know. Sometimes there's no monkeys. Sometimes the tiger doesn't feel like getting pet. Complimentary snacks and a pizza lunch, this includes, for $400.

$400. A person. Not wheelchair or scooter accessible. So fuck the ADA. He's back there going, the tigers go after the wounded is the problem. See, if anybody comes in on crutches or like on a scooter, they're going to eat them up quick. They can't have that. You're in a permanent chair, they're going to get you. They're going to eat them up quick. I can't have that. You're in a permanent chair.

They're going to get you. They're going to get you. Absolutely. Then there's private encounters as well, which sounds dirty, but apparently it's not sexual. If I get that blonde chick, I'm in. Tell me if you saw this. Have the ultimate animal experience. That sounds like, right?

Very horny. Book a private encounter. That's all horny i'm telling you book a private encounter that's all horny that whole sentence if you're wanting a private one-on-one experience with some of the world's endangered species look no further you can fuck a come here and fuck a lemur we got you covered it's all we got it all endangered bookangered species. Jesus Christ. Book a private experience today. Encounters last approximately one hour. See? Look at this.

We got a nice little motel. He's selling the women. He's selling the women dressed as endangered species. Allegedly. We don't know that's true. We don't know. But it just sounds like it. The way he worded it.

I didn't say that to fucking waffle on him. Just legally. I think we needed to say that. It's possible that he is. We don't know for sure. It's possible. Just based on his own wording. Charging by the hour?

That's prostitution. An hour for an ultimate animal experience of a private encounter. It sounds like a website for private encounters. Come to private encounters. By the hour. By the day. However you want it. I'm not saying he's prostituting anyone or any animals.

I'm just saying those are the exact same words, prostitutes. That's it. And you get a shirt painted by a chimp. Okay. You can swim with the African elephant starting at $7,000 for two guests. What is happening? Who has that money? Oh, my God.

You can stay overnight at the Tiger Palace starting at $7,000 for two guests as well. That is fucking bonkers. So go on to there, everybody. Anyway, crime rate, what we're interested in, besides those prices being a crime. Besides that place feeling like a crime. Property crime here almost double the national average. Wow. crime here almost double the national average which tourist towns a lot of times that'll happen because you get a lot of kind of you know people pissing in the streets and people

little dumb things that people do that'll raise the crime rate stuff yeah and then violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime there you go also high about a third high so i don't know what's going on in this little town next to the beach, but people are pissed off apparently. Let's find out. Let's find out by talking about some murder. What do you say, Jimmy? All right, everybody. Let's get into this because, wow, is this a crazy story.

Okay. December the 19th, 2013. Let's head back to then. So it's pretty close. Everything's still the same. Yeah. iPhones, Instagram. Just like right now. Everything's still the same. Yeah. iPhones, Instagram, same shit. Just like right now, Christmas is on the horizon.

Christmas. Yes, this story, that's why we're kind of doing it now in December, too, because it's kind of a holiday story a bit. A little ramp up. A terrible holiday story. Yeah. But here we go. Okay. On this night of December 19th, 2013, like we said, everybody's getting ready for Christmas.

People have their lights up and stuff. Gary Kuzwickitz. Wow. of December 19th, 2013. Like we said, everybody's getting ready for Christmas. People have their lights up and stuff. Gary Kuzwickitz. Wow. Gus Kiewicz. Uh-oh. Guskiewicz? Guskiewicz is what I'm trying to say.

Cary Guskiewicz here. Cary Guskiewicz? Cary Guskiewicz is a police officer with the Horry County Sheriff's Department here. Okay. And he's patrolling in the area of the Peachtree boat landing. Yeah. And he discovered a car there. Okay.

Nobody's in it. It's 4 a.m. So, you know, it's the night of December 18th, early morning December 19th, 4 a.m., and there's nobody in the car, and the car is there. Maybe somebody's out fishing. Maybe. Or, yeah, 4 a.m. I guess it's a little early. And also in December.

Yeah, it's probably pretty cold. It gets chilly. Yeah, it gets chilly there. But I would think immediately, oh, people were boating. Somebody had some drinks, and somebody got a ride home with somebody else and left their car here. That's what I would think. But they still check it out and look at it. All the tires are inflated.

All the windows are up and nothing's broken. Nothing looks – it doesn't look like it was stolen and dumped. Somebody walked their car and walked away. Yeah. They were wondering if maybe it was stolen and dumped or something. So he just looks in. There's no broken steering column or anything like that. None of that shit there. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion

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With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar.

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So it's right near the ramp leading to the waterway at the far end of a road here. It's about eight miles outside Myrtle Beach. It's a green Dodge Intrepid. So they're like, okay. They run the plates on it, and they find that it's registered to a guy named Terry Elvis. Elvis like Elvis. You betcha. Elvis.

Elvis like Elvis. You betcha. Terry Elvis. And Terry's sitting in his living room just watching TV when cops come knocking on his door. Really? Yeah, the next morning. And they ask about the car. And so he gets in the car because he owns the car.

Yeah. He gets in the car. He goes with police to the boating area, the peach tree landing, to look at the car. And he said, quote, I thought the car might have been stolen because of the way it was parked. It wasn't parked like perfectly. It was kind of askew. And so he said maybe somebody took it and left it there. And then Terry says, it really didn't hit me.

Where's Heather? Until the officer started looking through things. Cause this is his daughter's car. He owns it, but it's, he gave it to his daughter. Right. So they came to him, but his daughter's the one who drives it.

So he's like, where's my daughter? She's 20 years old. Her name is Heather. And, um, you know, we'll talk about that in a second here.

So car appears to be, everything looks like it works. Um, like we said, the doors are all locked. It doesn't yeah there but they don't find um they don't know heather obviously um no no wallet no phone no pocketbook nothing like that left behind it doesn't look like somebody like pulled her out of the car

quickly or anything like that so um they asked terry uh terry says the officer said do you have extra keys or spare keys to the car? And I said, yes. He said, well, grab those and let's go take a look at it. And that's when they came together. It was parked all awkwardly, like we said. On the inside, the driver's console, on the driver's console, they found her driver's license. So that was there, but not her phone, wallet, pocketbook, all that.

Just her driver's license alone. So nobody carries. She has a purse. Yeah, it's in her pocketbook and it's in her. No, it's in her wallet in her purse. So that's the thing. So they're like, OK, that's that's odd. But it's her driver's license and a few business cards, but no keys in the car either. but no keys in the car either. So Terry Elvis says, quote, eventually the officer said, let's take a look in the trunk. Hate those words. Oh, that's not good. And Terry said, and I went back and I turned the key and he said, let me open it.

Yeah, let me back away. As the father, I don't want to see this. I got this in case your daughter's been murdered and stuffed in here like she would you know cross the gambino family let's yeah in case there's anything in here yeah anything that you might not be good and um terry said i said you know just let me lift it terry said i'll i'll lift it i'll fucking i'll look in here yeah i'm a man he, I was scared to death to open that trunk. And we both looked in and it was fine.

There was nothing there. Nothing there. Nothing there. Just a trunk light. Just a trunk light. But I mean, it was carpet lining. There was some puckered assholes there. I mean, that, that, that imagine that's imagine if your daughter's car is there, you don't

know where your daughter is. You call her. She doesn't answer her phone and her car's there and you're opening the trunk. That would be as you open that trunk. you saw the scene in my head yeah oh yeah captions on it said suspenseful music anybody yeah anybody anybody with kids yeah that was a sting anybody who has kids just just went through all of that went oh god you're popping that trunk oh boy yep and fucking nothing there nothing Nothing. So, yeah, nothing there. So, like, okay, well, maybe Heather met up with her friends and left her car there. And people do that.

Sure. She's 20. She could be out partying, doing whatever. Doing what she wants. You never know. So, Terry goes home. And there, his wife, Debbie, is there. Terry and Debbie Elvis, this couple.

And they're trying to get in touch with Heather now because her car's there and she's not. So Terry said this is totally out of the ordinary for her. Heather's never done anything like this before. They're scared something's wrong at this point. So police start to, at this point, even though she's 20 and could be doing something, they're still, because her parents can't get a hold of her and it's abnormal for them to not be able to get a hold of her and for her never to contact them.

The police are looking at it like she's missing at this point as well, because also they haven't seen her in like a day and a half. So they're going, well, let's just say it's from that point on she's missing and then it's. Yeah, we'll go. So that's what they're doing. They start to try to piece together her movements, trace her activities the previous night. They know she had been on a date the previous night. She went on a first date with somebody. So that's something.

Sure. To go up. Maybe the date went really well. The date either went extremely well or extremely bad, one of the two in this situation. It went either one of two ways. That's what I mean. Extreme both sides. It could be that they fell madly in love and like she just turned her phone on silent and they've just been, you know, in the throes of it all fucking night and, you know, hold up together.

To none of it. Yeah, they're already going. You never know. So maybe that's what it is. Or, you know, the worst could have happened and you have no idea. So they're trying to figure that out. So they do. They figure out the guy she was out with the night before.

Steve Chiraldi is his name. And the parents actually get a hold of him. And he says, I dropped her off at the end of the night. I dropped her off at home after the date. Oh, at her home? Yeah, dropped her off. Yeah, where you guys with them. Dropped them huh dropped her off so you know that's the last time i saw her dropped her off and took off so they're like okay so they go to her workplace as well we'll tell you about that in a second here the manager there told them that she wasn't scheduled to work until the

next day and uh so the manager said i know somebody that you might want to call, though, who she has been hanging out with quite a bit here. And this is the manager, by the way, of the Tilted Kilt where Heather works. Yeah, we'll talk about that because some people aren't going to know what that is. So we'll get into that in a minute. But for now, the manager says, talk to this guy. He is the guy you want to talk to now he is 38 year old sydney saint claire moore saint claire's his middle name by the way real

saint claire has been that's what the fuck the hell were his parents doing naming him sydney saint claire moore anything jesus saint? Yeah, whose fucking middle name is St. something? That's so weird. I mean, it's probably a maiden name from his grandmother's maiden name or something, but there's a saint in it. Just name him Claire, not St. Claire. I'm going to change my name to Jimmy Sue St. Marie Whistler. Yeah, you might as well.

Jesus Christ, let's do it. I'm going to do it too, as a matter of fact. We'll be the two of us. Yeah, I'm going to be James Los Petragalos. Petragalo. I'll put that in there. Fuck it. Fantastic.

So, yeah, they said talk to him because they've been, you'll find out is what the manager says, but he knows her real well. He's 38. He he's married of course obviously of course he is he's married to tammy lorinda caisson moorer is her name because that's moorer is their last name together m-o-o-r-e-r like that boxer that uh george foreman won the heavyweight title from like michael moore that guy she's 41 they have three kids together yeah they've been together a long time they have three kids uh he's a he does like restaurant equipment maintenance that's what he does oh he works on the fryer he's the guy who goes when something's broken he comes in and fixes it and leaves so his his day consists of going from

restaurant to restaurant fixing fridges and walk-ins and an oven and a bunch of stainless steel shit. Yeah, I'm sure he's got that polish, that spray-on polish when he's done. You don't want to leave all his fingerprints. So he's married to Tammy, and apparently he had had an affair a couple years ago that Tammy found out about and has made her especially suspicious of him really she's not real thrilled no no no likes to track his movements and such and really know where he's at um according to people who know them uh one person said tammy

moore was definitely the more domineering part of that couple she told sydney where to work when to work what to do if i could classify sydney as anything in that relationship it would be utterly submissive so he just he is a yeah she is a real dominating force here a domineering force but he also will cheat on her too so it's like yeah, it's at the same time. That's his act of rebellion. Like, yeah, I'll work where you tell me to, but I'll fuck somebody while I'm there. Weird. What a weird relationship.

He's a real puppy dog that is humping legs everywhere. Everywhere, especially at the Tilted Kilt here. Oh, really? Yes. One of their accounts is the Tilted Kiltilt in myrtle beach and he goes there um by the way if you don't know what the tilted kilt is okay i'll explain it to you when this shooters are scottish that's kind of i guess they don't even i don't know if they even classify i think it's just general well here's a this is for general british isles uh This is from General British Isles skirts. So this is from the Grand Strand Magazine or mag.com.

And this is when this particular location opened. They wrote an article about it and said the Tilted Kilt Pub and Eatery. It's the first local theme restaurant of its kind to rival our homegrown Hooters, brainchild of the late Robert Brooks of Loris. There you go. That was a South Carolina bred place. Is that what you said? Hooters, brainchild of the late Robert Brooks of Loris. There you go. That was a South Carolina bred place? Is that what you said? Hooters, yeah. I would have assumed Florida, but no, South Carolina.

I guess Destin. Yeah, something like that. The kilt stays true to its niche market with a manly recipe for success. An extended choice of draft beer poured into an icy mug. A menu of upscale comfort food like flatbread pizza, Irish stew, and wraps. All 50 televisions are set on sports and attentive service. But make no mistake about it, the big draw here is the tilted kilt girl clad in a plaid bra tied up with a white shirt. A high-hemmed min mini skirt and knee socks.

Yeah, it's like a mixed. It's like the Scottish St. Polly girl. They're saying is what you have here. It's the Scottish school girl. Kind of. Yeah, it's kind of what that is. Yes.

The pedophile restaurant. Yeah. But they're like, this girl's actually of age. Weird fucking. It's a weird combination there here's a girl of age that will dress like she's not how about that you ever wanted to fuck a girl from a catholic school but don't want to go to prison look at this come eat come eat our flatbread pizza at the tilted kilt and you can fucking have it what a weird strange thing to that's your business model

come have some irish stew and watch John Daly golf. Yeah. Don't worry. The next paragraph says, don't worry. The men look like dipshits, too. But the waitresses aren't the only ones dressing the part. The male staff dons traditional knee-length black kilts and matching socks. So kilts don't look like a dipshit, but, you know.

You know, at one time in restaurant history where ordering from a techie kiosk is at a time in restaurant history where ordering from a techie kiosk is becoming commonplace. The tilted kilt waitress is trained in the art of subtly patting the table to make customers feel more comfortable. They also have their own, quote, kiltish language. Like when a patron asks for a beer, the tilted kilt waitress replies, do you want the man's size or the girl's size? Oh, for heaven's sake. Menu choices include drunken clams, five quid squid appetizers, Scottish cheesesteak salad. Scottish cheesesteak salad? Nothing says tradition more than a Scottish cheesesteak salad. Oh, you go to Glasgow.

Hi, and you take in the old Scottish cheesesteak salad. Traditional like the haggis of my grandfather. Are you fucking kidding me? With a woman-sized beer. Oh, here's another really traditional Scottish dish here. Spicy black bean veggie wrap. That's the Isle of Scotland in a nutshell right there. I think of Castles, Braveheart, and spicy black bean veggie wraps when I think of Scotland.

Don't you? Isn't that what you think of, Jimmy? Unbelievable. Wow. Unbelievable. Wow. Various burgers and pub favorites such as Old Dublin Irish Stew, Maggie Mae's Fish and Chips, and Danny Boy's Shepherd Pie. Prices average about $10 per dish.

It's just a thing. It's chilies with chicks and skirts. That's what it is. Yeah. And we're pretending to feed you actual food from there. Bullshit. It's just bullshit. We we're pretending i love that at this type of establishment as this type of establishment is enjoying soaring revenues across the nation during a recession it goes to prove that a man's wallet may but well be

tied to his appetite and the tilted kilt apparently gives him what he wants. Or we're stupid. Yes, we're idiots. We'll throw our money at dumb shit. If a 20-year-old girl in a skirt says, do you want this? We go, yes, we do. Yes, if you're a 20-year-old girl in a skirt, just nod your head as you say things and we'll nod along back with you. This restaurant and Hooters proves that cleavage sells food sells bad food it doesn't matter yeah hooters food is terrible it doesn't matter cleavage moves food better than

it moves it it moves it it's funny too because one time we were when i was we were on the road and uh we oh remember that restaurant we went to hooters we went to a Hooters because it was right by our hotel and we were somewhere terrible. I don't remember where the fuck we were. And we pop into this Hooters and as soon as the waitress sees you're with your significant, they just walk up and their whole demeanor is different. They're just like, I get something to drink. Like, you can't stare at my tits. I'm not going to get any extra money.

I'm getting nothing out of you. I'm getting 15% from this table. I know it. Yep. If I look at you too long, she's going to be pissed. I got to fucking really tone it down a bit. Tone it down a bit here. They want tables of guys, I think.

So working at the Tilted Kilt is Heather Elvis, who is 20, and she's a hostess at the Tilted Kilt. I mean, she's the first one you see. Right. So that's an attractive one there. Yep. Plus, I mean, you probably make good tips. They probably tip out with the hostesses, I assume. I don't know if they do.

Or if they get a decent salary or whatever. I think they just get hourly wage, to be honest. I mean, she's 20, so I mean, why not do this? It doesn't matter. Who cares? So that's where she met Sidney Moore, who at the time was a 37-year-old restaurant maintenance worker. Hell, yeah. And she said, wow, irresistible.

Can't get enough. Irresistible to me. I don't know how. He must have some game. We'll put it that way. It's got to be. It's strange. So I don't know.

I mean, who knows what he said to convince her. At 20, that's pretty young. You know what I mean't know. I mean, who knows what he said to convince her at 20 years. That's pretty. That's young. You know what I mean? Yeah. You can probably. It's a valuable brain, though. You can make those girls want a lot of things.

Yeah. You don't know what he said to her. What he fucking lied to her about. Who knows? So her parents are Debbie and Terry. Like we said, she's got a sister, Morgan, who's four years younger than her as well. So at the time, she's 16 when this is going on. Now, Terry owns, Heather's dad, Terry owns a shop called Always Stuck on You.

Not always, always stuck on you. It's a store in the Market Common area, specializes in banners, decals, and signs. Bingo. Yeah. So that's a good business because everybody always needs that shit. Yeah. So Morgan works at morgan works at the tilted kilt like we said in myrtle beach as a hostess and i'm not not morgan heather morgan's a little sister that'd be real don't put a 16 year old in that outfit that's that's terrible jesus so sydney and heather begin an affair here okay um well an affair on his end anyway.

She's single. She's just being a normal person. Yeah. And it was more than that from what colleagues said here. The tilted kilt colleagues. I'm going to use colleagues in a very loose form. So she's talking about it. Oh, more than talking about it.

We'll talk about what happens. But it's not a well-kept secret at all. The former kitchen manager, a guy named Dennis Hart, said he confronted Sidney Moore after he and Heather were seen having sex at the restaurant. Like in the restaurant. He came there, fixed a compressor, and banged the hostess. And got caught by the restaurant manager doing it. Good Lord, that's not the first time. So the manager blamed him and got mad at

sydney for it because yeah i would do so um they they're in love though her friends say there's heather's kind of fallen in love with him smitten he's an idiot yeah he's a moron um he's coming by the restaurant all the time like when when uh even when uh he's not working he's fixed he'll stop by and bring her coffee and bagels just to hey just to you know stop like a boyfriend does you know not like a married guy with three kids right yeah not a man old enough to be your father with that has three children and a wife who's old enough to be your mother his gps gave him the wrong directions that was supposed to go home yeah whoops his wife's sitting at the fucking table just wrapping her fingers on waiting on a bagel and coffee okay yeah where's my everything i ordered an everything with cream cheese

so friends said that sydney even talked about and heather talked about this with her friends talked about hiring heather to be a nanny his children, which we've had stories like that before. Wow, man. Hey, guys out there, gentlemen listening, married gentlemen with kids especially. Specifically. Specifically, this is for you. If you are having an affair with a girl half your age, do not hire her as a nanny to be it.

So you're like, oh, this is great. That way she'll have an excuse to be at my house. That's terrible. Don't involve your be at my house. That's terrible. Don't involve your kids in your affair. That's gross. What if, and here, listen,

this may be going out on a limb. What if you just got a divorce? Oh, that's different. What if you just, all bets are off. Yeah. Yeah.

What if you just don't? I thought you meant, what if you just got a divorce? Can you hire her then? No, no, no, no. Yeah. What if you just don't? Oh, I thought you meant what if you just got a divorce? Can you hire her then? No, no, no, no, no. Then fine. Why don't you, instead of hiring, just get a divorce? Well, you would think that would be easy, but that's not how this relationship works here.

Oh, boy. They have, we'll talk all about it, but they have what's considered an open relationship, but not really. Sidney and and tammy okay but not really an open relationship as we'll find out here um tammy can fuck but he can't well no he can but not not 20 year old girls who are hot enough to wear mini skirts and fucking tied up t-shirts at a goddamn restaurant that's out of bounds for tammy that's like hey i didn't think you were going to be doing that. I thought you were going to be getting like fun. Yeah.

I thought you were going to be like some broad from some HR department in some office somewhere going, I thought our age. I didn't know you were capable of this. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't think this was even possible. Never even crossed my mind you'd be actually enjoying your life. So social media, though, there's certain times when social media is going

to play an interesting part in this case too where heather would express doubts about the relationship here um at one point september 21st 2013 right in the midst in the right in the middle of the whole affair here um she said once upon a time an angel and a devil fell in love. It did not end well. That's what she wrote on Twitter. Which sounds like the opening voiceover to a romantic comedy. Yeah. Like Katherine Heigl said that.

Yeah. He's the devil, obviously. That was on Twitter on September 21st, 2013. Then on November 5th, after a bunch of stuff happens, and we'll talk about it, she retweeted a tweet from Daniel Tosh, the comedian. Oh, yeah. And said, this was his tweet, hey, married fellas, you can either cheat on your wife or murder her. Never both. That's when you get caught. Which, if you've listened to this show, is as weird as it is,

that is terrific advice if you've ever listened to this show. If you are considering murdering your wife, don't cheat on her first, or husband for that matter either. If it goes the other way, if it's a woman, don't fucking,

if you're going to kill your spouse, you better be squeaky clean leading up to that shit. Just perfect. I mean, walk that line. So, yeah, she retweeted that her friend said quote heather was a very pretty young girl and then you have this scruffy guy with his hair and a ponytail oh yeah 39 year old fucking maintenance worker with his hair and a

ponytail what is what's happening in the world right now ponytail or man bun because those are two ponytail ponytail ponytail 38 in 2013 he's not gonna have a man bun he's way past the age of man bun in 2013 you're like 20 year olds had man buns but yeah um yeah that's from her best friend brianna who will talk a lot throughout this she said said, quote, I was like, Heather, are you sure? Are you sure that's what you want to go after? That's what she said to her. And apparently she did. She said Heather reassured her that this guy, yes, he's married, yes, he has three kids,

but he and his wife Tammy have an open marriage. It's fine. Tammy has a boyfriend, she said. His wife has a boyfriend, so it's totally fine for him to have a girlfriend. It's fine. Tammy has a boyfriend. Oh, she said his wife has a boyfriend. So it's totally fine for him to have a girlfriend. It's very cool. Totally. By the way, I think we need to do a tilted kilt as a review. This tilted kilt as a review on your stupid opinion.

I hope we do tune in to your stupid opinions. We're going to do it. Definitely. So, yeah, that's what's going on here. She said, yeah, she's got everything's fine. They're both messing around. It's perfectly acceptable. Her friend said she was under the assumption that he was going to leave his wife and that they were going to be together and that he loved her and he wanted the same thing.

I looked at it as something that could potentially blow up. Yeah. You think? Jesus Christ. Yeah. An open marriage and she's involved and she's got a boyfriend this is all gonna go very well i'm not saying it's impossible i'm sure some people pull it off but most people fuck it up yeah this is the thing is like a marriage is a marriage and

it's rarely like the open marriages are rarely open from the start it's usually we've been married for 15 years and we're tired of fucking each other, so we open this up. We're trying to spice it up here. Right. We're trying to keep together for the kids, so we're opening it up. That's usually his idea.

That's usually, hey, you know, I don't know what it is. What if I had sex with younger girls? What do you think of that? That's what it usually ends up as. That's the crux of it. They can go through all the hedging all they want. What they're asking is, what about me having sex with younger women? Is that okay?

Younger than you. Yeah. How much younger? Well, take you and anything below that, pretty much, is what I'm looking for. And usually about five under you, sometimes more, most times more. I'm going for 20, honestly. But, you know, I'm not going to overstretch here. But he was really reaching.

He's 19 years older than her. That's a reach. That's crazy, man. That is a reach, man. So according to Sydney here telling people the relationship ends in October 2013 because as open as their relationship is, quote unquote, he has kept this a big secret from Tammy. It's open, but I don't want her to know this one. She finds out about it and she is fucking pissed. Tammy is. Yeah.

Wow. is fucking pissed tammy is yeah wow you want to talk about the most angry married woman with a boyfriend you ever want to see for her husband being well that's the thing about an open marriage open means everybody knows yeah and if ma if if ma doesn't know then it's not an open relationship not at that point i've given you permission and you fucking walked all over me is it is it an open relationship or a tail on the side you know fucking yeah keep it under your hat kind of relationship and from what i understand too just from what i've read and i don't know how accurate this is but from what i've read about this from a psychological standpoint the relationships where people have open relationships the ones that actually work

are usually ones where people have it from the start of the relationship right when they get together they both want that and that's after 15 years and three kids if you're just like you can't change the dynamic of the rule i mean maybe some people can but i don't think for the most part that works out well because obviously it's just you can't switch your mind like that like oh now i'm not jealous anymore of right my wife fucking guys like how the hell do you how do you get to that point unless you don't give a shit about them at all anymore right because the idea of this marriage was you're the one for me both of them thought that and then one of them it hasn't been that way for a long time on it for the other one time and the other one just now got there

so now we get to this point but then you once it thing is when you're with somebody and you care about them seeing them with another person should fucking drive you nuts I guess some people don't have that thing in their brain that turns that on and those are the people that are okay with

that I don't get it personally I don't feel jealousy but i don't i don't want i don't want i don't know there's some there's some part of me that's just like i don't want somebody else to fuck her better you don't fucking it's not even a matter of jealous it's okay to be jealous it's just not okay to put that on the other person that's the thing it's normal to be jealous it's normal it's just you keep it in your own brain and go hey that's stupid i trust this person why am i jealous don't say anything dumb shit that's normal it's when you go hey who are you talking to over that's when it's you let it get out of fucking hand yeah everyone has the normal like hey what's going on maybe though no i want them to like me i just

don't think i'm capable of of being in in something like that where like i'm not or you see that you touch my wife i'll fuck you up period i'm hunting you like an animal i'm putting that out there right now i just don't know if i'm capable of being in a relationship where like a guy comes over and just like just beer in the fridge. And I'm like, yeah. And the wife's in the bedroom. Nope. I don't know how people can do that. No, no, no, no. Not that's that is a wild style. I mean, good for you.

If you're power to you. Yeah. More power to you. If everybody's happy and there's just jizz flying around left and right and you're fucking people and she's fucking people. It's just nothing but smiles. Good for you guys. Terrific. Otherwise otherwise i don't know how you do it beer in the fridge and the wife in the bedroom no i get out of my fucking house no shit man so this affair becomes kind of public knowledge here and it was public knowledge i mean sydney was telling his friends because he's bragging

like dude you got to see this chick i'm hooking up with and then she's telling all her friends because she thinks that this is like a long-term relationship and uh at one point though her friend brianna said quote we all knew about it because people did make fun of heather knowing that he was a married man oh that's fucked made fun of her at work heather was made fun of a lot and she was called multiple names by girls we worked with a homewrecker and all that kind of shit one day this is fucked up this is how tammy found out about the affair one day two of the girls decided to call the tilted kilt and pretend to be tammy sydney's wife uh-huh so they called they girls that were called sydney no they called the tilted kilt and got fucking heather on the phone pretending to be oh shit so then she called okay keep going i'm

listening so yeah so she they called being like we know you're fucking our my husband and blah blah blah blah so then she freaked out got a hold of him and said oh my god your wife just called and yelled at me and blah blah blah blah so then he went to his wife and was like hey what's going on she went what the fuck are you talking about thanks for telling me all this shit now though oh god that's how it came out wow can you imagine that shit that is a you want to cover his tracks yep and ended up just uncovering them just knocking all the snow off his footprints. Just going, look at them, look at them. Look at my footprints. Yes, they lead right to the body. Jesus.

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Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. So, yeah, that's after that relationship ended. Then at some point in October 2013, Tammy makes a real call to heather now it is tammy oh boy yeah she finds out so i by the way if you're heather you got to be thinking for real or not here yeah you already called me yeah yeah yeah yeah we know you're real pissed off about it

you fucking assholes by the way you work it you work four to 11 and hang up on them. You're on the schedule today. See you in a minute. Yeah, I'll see you when you get here, fucking, I don't even know, Casey, you bitch. Yeah. Damn me. I think her name's Casey.

The one that works there. Casey and Holly. Yeah, Casey, Holly, you fucking assholes. Why would they do that? That's so fucked up. That's fucked up i mean unless you were gonna unless you were friends with her and you were like guys would do that to their guy friends but after a minute they'd be like ha ha you fucking dickhead it's fucking me

these could be also uh 36 year old uh uh restaurateur girls who've been in restaurants for years and years and years and they're just like salty assholes. You know what I mean? Maybe. I don't know how many 36-year-old girls work at the Tilted Kilt. 36-year-old women work at the Tilted Kilt. Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's possible.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying, but I feel like when you walk in there, the first thing they go is, how old are you? And then you tell them, and they go, thanks a lot. If you say anything older than like 24 probably, just because that's how that kind of plays would run. Run. I would imagine you're terrible. Let's 20 twirl around in the skirt for a minute. Like it'd be a very demeaning thing. So, um, yeah, they did that. So November 2nd, 2013 is the phone call. phone call and apparently she really tammy just yelled at her everybody said she belittled heather and basically made it seem like that she was just using her as quote just using her as a booty call is what one of her friends said so she's basically like he's not you think he's serious about you

he's just hooking up with you and blah blah blah blah so apparently that wasn't all there wasn't just one call stay away from my husband he's using your you're nobody janice rossi 2r you're nothing but a whore none of that shit she harassed her she keeps coming and coming and coming yeah um yeah according to friends of hers tammy was just livid when she would fucking talk to them uh when she would call her she would call and text heather both and we're talking a lot too and i tell you how many times in one day it's disturbing it's a disturbing amount oh yeah um then she would also post disparaging comments on social media about her as well talk like we're in high school yeah you're just taking up with him you're 41

yeah this isn't the 10th grade. Calm down. It's a 20-year-old girl. You're old enough to be her mother. Exactly. That's what I mean. Have some, I get that it sucks, but divorce your husband because he sucks. And then, you know, have an open life with somebody else.

I don't know. Have some fucking pride in yourself. Jesus. So Brianna here, Heather's best friend, said Tammy was relentless. She would call Heather nonstop for hours and hours. She would call off of Sidney's phone, make her answer. She was sending pictures of her and Sidney performing sexual acts. What the fuck? Tammy and Sidney.

She'd be like, see, I'm fucking him. He doesn't like you. Oh, my God. Videos of the two of them together. She'd send them videos of them fucking. She'd send those to Heather, I guess kind of to taunt Heather. No, it's to piss on her property. That's what it is.

She's branding her man here. Oh, boy. It gets even weirder, though, Jimmy. This relationship between Tammy and Sidney gets real fucking weird. between Tammy and Sidney gets real fucking weird. Phone records and location data from their two iPhones, Tammy and Sidney's, reveal something very, very strange here. Wow.

He, on November 2nd, the day she called him, or the day Tammy called Heather, Tammy also took control of Sidney's phone phone he was no longer allowed to have the phone anymore okay like he's a fourth grader she grounded him um not allowed to have the phone no more fucking games on here you're not doing it she um then she would uh she would do her sexting with other men from his phone so like if you look at his phone records they're sexting with other men from his phone. So if you look at his phone records, they're sexting with other men, but it's her using his phone to do this with. So that he gets random texts from guys later? Why?

Because she has his phone. She's just using his phone as her phone. She has two phones now, and he has no phones. So she uses his phone to text dudes. Yeah, that's one of her... I think it's just kind of random here um she also began accompanying him on his shifts doing maintenance work what she just went to work with him and would go stand over his shoulder and make sure he's not trying to fuck anybody yeah just so while he fixes the latch on that walk-in cooler she's just standing over

looking around on stay away from my husband keep your asses out of here stop trying to suck his cock everybody there's jealous and there's upset over an affair and then there's this this is i don't even know if this is either of those this is just this is crazy move trying to she's very controlling oh you this is this is the tip of the iceberg wait till you hear more that he does here oh that she does it's it's real interesting here so she's if you see sydney you see tammy now at work when she shows up cell phone data shows that tammy um sent this text message to heather after she found the affair too quote you want to call me right now and explain yourself it would be a wise thing to do.

Save yourself. I'm giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person. Only one. Hey, sweetie, you ready to meet the missus? The kids want to meet you? Question mark. Oh, boy. Holy shit.

That is the missus. The missus. That's kind of scary if you're a 20-year-old girl. You're not used to dealing with that. No. Especially someone who's old enough to be your fucking mother. Right. That's scary. You know what I mean?

So there's also some more messages here. Here's a message that Tammy sent to she and Sidney's daughter. Quote, your dad is an evil, twisted freak, and I am being punished for it. Then in a message to one of her sisters, to Tammy's sister, she's talking about being mad about the Heather situation and said, quote, that bitch is hiding because her sister asked, because I guess Tammy had gone to the Tilted Kilt and Heather wasn't there. And so she had told her sister about it.

And her sister was like, oh, she wasn't at work. And then she said, that bitch is hiding. She's in hiding. Okay. She also said to several people, and we'll talk later on, it's true. Several texts to different people, and especially her sister, state that after the affair was uncovered, quote, Sydney had to stay chained to the bed until further notice while I live my life as a single woman. What? And witnesses will later say that they saw Sydney restrained at the home.

Literally chained to the bed. Like Dabney Coleman in 9 to 5. Yes. Not a joke. Not I keep him chained to the bed like Dabney Coleman in 9 to 5 yes not a joke not I keep him chained to the bed he's not allowed to leave he can't get up in the middle of the night to piss oh my god and he's pushing 40 so that's a fucking that's gonna start to be an issue that he needs to deal with

he's gonna have to keep a jug next to him pretty soon because that's gonna happen at 4am so oh my word she will chain him to the bed and then leave and go out and fuck people and have a leader a single life she said i'll leave my life as a single woman oh while he's chained to the bed and he's not allowed to have a phone oh this is fine this is all from her this is from tam. This is a guy that... Sidney doesn't tell anybody about this shit. How do you not say,

Unchain me, we're fucking divorced? Yeah, how about... This is crazy. Yeah. What are you getting out of being chained to your bed while your wife goes and fucks strangers? How is that helping you? Why is that a relationship that's good?

P.S., this is false imprisonment and illegal. I will have you brought up on charges, lady. Not to mention they have three kids none of the kids ask hey why is dad chained to the fucking bed with no phone what's going on throwing gi joes at his forehead come on dad play with me he's like i'd love to my hands make me make me they're on top of mount dad we put the gi joes on his head and oh my god what a douche what a loser how do you just allow that to happen yes the two of these she's an abusive lunatic and he's a fucking tool so it's the two of them

together jesus christ man it's it's wild so uh the manager at the Tilted Kilt, one of the other managers here, Jessica Cook, said that Heather was genuinely scared of Tammy. Literally terrified of her. Tammy convinces a grown ass man to stay here locked in his room. I don't care. I'd be fucking petrified of that woman. That's a scary woman. Also, everybody said that she was Heather was pretty heartbroken about the breakup. She really thought this was a long-term thing. I guess at the beginning of December, Brianna,

the best friend of Heather here, said that communications between the Moorers and Heather had finally started to fade away. There wasn't all these attacks um another friend said that um she had talked to heather and heather said that she was you know happy to be leaving the whole thing behind and it was a big mistake and she was you know coming out of it here heather's friend said quote the wife threatened heather and called her over 60 times one day. Unbelievable. Oh, in one day over 60 fucking times. Think about that. You're only awake for 16 hours?

That's fucking every 20 minutes. That is the definition of stalking, I would think. Yeah. 60 times in a day? At minimum harassment. Harassment, yeah, harassment. That's grounds for a restraining order for sure. Shit, yeah.

Especially showing up, bitches in hiding, all that kind of shit. Wow. That was when Heather was at work one day too, 60 times. Wow. She told Heather, if you don't stop talking to my husband, I'm going to come after you. You're going to have problems with me. And that's when it ended there, kind of. So Brianna said that fuckingather called her friend crying one

day and she said sydney just called me he said he left his wife and that he wants to see me he's sorry for what he said and he wants to be with me this is one night in december she calls up and says that she's crying she's like i don it. He just called. Now he wants to be with me. It's amazing. This is exactly what I want. Yeah. He wants to be with me. And her friend said, Brianna said, quote,

I said, sleep on this and we'll talk about it tomorrow, please. Great advice. Sleep on it. But then there was no tomorrow because she never heard from Heather again. Oh, my God. So December 17th, which is where we started through there, the evening of December 17th here, this is six weeks after the whole everything has blown up and it's finally started to be cooled down.

She goes on a date with a guy her own age here. Steve. Steve and Shiraldy. He's the own age date here. And she people saw them laughing and happy out on that night. They went Stephen Shiroly and her went to the same high school, but didn't know each other too well, never hung out or anything. But they had been friends on social media after high school. Yeah. And he asked her out. He took a shot and she fucking did it.

So why not? Good for you. So on December 17th, they went to Bandido's Restaurant and Cantina in Myrtle Beach. So for some Mexican, I think there. And then he took her to an this is a this is like a like a kind of a Norman Rockwell first date here. What did they do? They go out to eat and then he takes her to an empty mall parking lot, which in our show sounds like an ominous beginning to something. Not a good place to be. Not a good place to teach her how to drive a stick shift.

She didn't know how to drive a stick. Didn't know how to drive. He picked her up and she was like, wow, you make that look so easy. He's like, it is. I'll show you. He's like, I'll show you. Oh, what a guy. They go to a parking lot.

He's got a truck. He's showing her how to do that, how to drive the stick shift. Then they went to his mother's house where he lived with his mother in Merle's Inlet there to watch a movie. And they watched a movie. They hung out. And he says he dropped her off at her apartment. She doesn't live at home. I think I said she lived at home.

I knew she had an apartment, but I mistakenly said that earlier. I apologize. Dropped her off at her apartment about 1.15, 1.30 a.m. on December 18th. You didn't mention a thing about a doc, nothing, none of that. No docs, no anything.

He said he made a state about five minutes outside talking to her, made plans to see her again about 3 PM when she got off work the next day. She was one shift and then they had a good night kiss and he left. That's what he said. What a gentleman, what a gentleman. And then she goes a goodnight kiss and he left. That's what he said. What a gentleman. What a gentleman. And then she goes missing, which is possibly the worst luck you could have on a first date. That's the worst story to tell the cops because he did not describe at all any sort of peril that happened that night.

We don't believe you, you son of a bitch. We don't believe you. Then we had a nice goodnight kiss. Everything was wonderful. And then I left her standing there. Bullshit. You lying son of a bitch we don't believe you then we had a nice good night kiss everything was wonderful and then i left her standing there bullshit you lying son of a lying motherfucker what'd you do grab her tit and she didn't like it and then you know she slapped you and you you punched her in the throat that's what happened isn't it isn't it that's exactly what you're thinking you told us that she you taught her how to drive because she popped the

clutch and hit her face on the dashboard that explains the blood is that the blood why is there blood so that's his story now um that night also december 17th december 18th there and that night and morning calls come um from what we figure out what she was doing heather tried to track her there was calls coming from what we figure out what she was doing. Heather tried to track her. There was calls coming from and then going back to a pay phone across the street from a Walmart at a Kangaroo Express gas station from her phone, from her phone, a pay phone in 2013. Mind you, too. Wow. I can't believe it.

Yeah. This is starting about 135, which is right after she got home from her date. Yeah. That morning. So she dials the pay phone. This is a quote. Heather dials that pay phone back nine times. The only reason she could possibly be calling that phone nine times, a phone that she's never heard of or called before.

She knows it. Is to get the other person that just talked back on the line. So someone, she's just calling it back familiar yep now sydney and tammy were together at that point i'm surprised he's not chained to the bed it's past his bedtime location data from their phones show they were at longbeard's bar until 12.30 a.m. Then at about 1.15 a.m., Sidney goes to the Walmart and purchases a pregnancy test kit. Oh.

Okay. And a cigar, I think, as well. Gross. That's what they get. I guess we're to celebrate one way or the other. I think it's to smoke weed, actually, because they smoke weed. I think it's to smoke weed, actually, because they smoke weed. So I think it's to roll a blunt.

So then Sidney and Tammy went to an area near the Kangaroo Express gas station. At 1.33 a.m., video from the Kangaroo Express gas station shows Sidney leaving his new black F-150 truck that him and his wife just bought and are very proud of, and calling out on the payphone. And that call, the record goes to Heather. So that's him. We have him on video making the call here. That call lasted four minutes and 50 seconds. Okay. So, yeah.

After receiving the payphone call, Heather called Brianna, her roommate, a different Brianna, by the way. She knows several Briannas. Several Briannas who's out of town. She was upset and scared. And, oh, no, it's the same one. They give her a different last name. They call her Hulzer and one in Warrelman in this one. So I don't know if she got married in the middle of it and changed her name.

But it's Brianna, her friend. Either way, that's when she called Brianna, her friend. Either way. That's when she called Brianna and said, he just called me and said he wants to be with me. Yeah. He called from the pay phone to say that. That's when she said, don't call him back. Don't do anything. Just calm down and we'll talk about it tomorrow.

I won't. Just chill out. I'll call him nine times. I'll call him all the time. So then Heather changes into, she changes her clothes here. And according to location data from her cell phone, she left her apartment at 2 31 AM arriving at long beards bar at 2 42 AM based on her cell phone. Now, while in the vicinity of the bar, she called the kangaroo express pay phone nine times, called it back nine times. None of the bar, she called the Kangaroo Express payphone nine times. Wow.

Called it back nine times. None of the calls were answered. So, yes. Now, at that point, the Sammy and Tidney, I almost called them. Yeah. Sidney and Tammy. You could be Sammy. Sidney and Tammy, based on their cell phone data, returned to their home at that point.

Now, after... Their home, by the way, is about five minutes from the landing where the car was found. Oh, okay. The peach tree landing there. So after waiting at Longbeard's for a while, Heather also returned home, and then at 3.16,

and then again 3.17, she called Sidney's iPhone. Okay. So now she's like, fuck it. I'll call him. I'll just call his phone. He's wanting to be with me. He's leaving his wife.

Obviously, he wants to be with me. If this rings, right. Yeah. So the first call went right to voicemail. And then the second call, he must have answered because it lasted over four minutes. Oh. It wasn't a voicemail call. So location data from Heather's phone shows that after this call,

remember when everything was just a mystery? Now you have everybody on a big map. Then they went here. Then they went there. It's wild. When you watch the first 48 now, they don't even bother talking to people. They're like, just give me your phone. Shut up.

I don't want to hear you killed him. I'll just get it off your phone. Shut your fucking mouth. I got it. Shut up. I got your location. There you are at the murder site, and there you are texting five people saying that it's hard to saw through bone.

Okay, never mind. Cuffs, let's go. Interrogation, five minutes. Hook him up. Hook him up. Let's go. I've got Life 360 on my phone to keep track of my kids. Dude, it's over for me.

If I ever decide to commit a crime or do anything that I say I'm not doing, it's wrapped up. It's all wrapped up right now. Yeah, you got to really mind your P's and Q's there. My kids love to keep an eye on me no matter where the fuck I am. Dude, it's crazy. Love to keep an eye on me. You little stalkers, leave me alone. It's insane.

I'm out of town and they're calling me. Why are you up at this time of night? I just did a fucking show. Yeah, because I'm having a drink because you stress me out and then you calling me. Why are you up at this time of night? I just did a fucking show. Yeah, because I'm having a drink because you stress me out and then you hang up. I'm just kidding. It may be 1 a.m. here.

It may be 10 p.m. there, but leave me alone. Leave me alone. I'm having fun, damn it. This is my time. That's what you tell them. This is my time. You're with your mom.

Where's your mom? Go talk to her. Go ask her what she's doing right now. So she then apparently, the second call lasted over four minutes. So one call, a voicemail. Next call, four minutes. Then she gets up and leaves her apartment again. Oh.

She's got to work lunch shift the next day. Three in the morning. Three, yeah. Wouldn't it be nice to be the next day. Three in the morning? Three, yeah. Wouldn't it be nice to be 20? How can you fucking do it? She ends up, four o'clock she's doing stuff. Wow. So she leaves her apartment and travels to the landing, Peachtree Landing.

Okay. A place where according to the analysis of her cell phone data, she didn't go. She wasn't like she was always going there. She was there maybe a couple years ago she went there once or whatever so while at the landing she calls sydney's phone four more times 338 339 340 341 a.m right in a row for four minutes every call went to voicemail okay okay the 341 a. phone call is the last phone call made from Heather's phone, and no more activity is on her phone from then on ever. Oh. Okay.

So, no activity on Sidney or Tammy's phone between 3.30 and 4 a.m. None at all. Nothing. between 3.30 and 4 a.m. None at all. Nothing. At 4.37 a.m., though, Tammy texted Sidney. By the way, she hadn't texted him because she's had his phone for the last month and a half.

This is the first text she's sent to him since November 2nd when she took his phone away. A month and a half. Wait. No, two weeks. A month and a half. A month and a half. Oh, yeah, because it's December. It's and a half. A month and a half. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because it's November 2nd. It's December 18th right now.

Sydney texted back. She had asked for some orange juice and some pot stickers was what she asked for. Okay. I guess she must have been in the bedroom. He was out in the kitchen or whatever. And she was like, you know, can you bring me that? Or he said he was going to Walmart. She's like, pick these two things up.

Well, that was hours earlier and they were together when they went to Walmart. Okay. So that's how it goes there. Now, they, the next day, they said they were hoping to reconcile their marriage, and they went on a road trip to California in their new black F-150 that they just got. That was what their plan was. After 4 a.m., pot stickers and orange juice? And orange juice.

Jesus. That's what I like right before bed, orange juice. Good for you to never have fucking acid reflux. Yeah, Jesus. So then the vehicle is found, like we said, and that's from the beginning. Green Dodge Intrepid belonging to Terry. Terry thinks it might be stolen. They pop the trunk.

No, Heather. Now we're all caught up. Okay. Terry thinks it might be stolen. They pop the trunk. No, Heather. Now we're all caught up. Okay.

So the police at that point, they immediately talked to her date the night before. Yeah. And they talked to him, and he seems to be honest. He said he dropped her off at home at the end of the night. They're like, all right, well, we'll find that out when we look at your phone data. Yeah. You didn't really need to even tell us that. We'll find out then police visited her the tilted kilt where a manager told them that she wasn't scheduled to work until the next day which is weird because she told her date that she got off

at three which is interesting so weird i don't know if she got it wrong or she just didn't want to hang out picking up a shift for somebody who Who knows? Who knows? So December 20th now, a couple days go by. Now they're going to go talk to Sydney because it took them that long to unpack the fact that she had a boyfriend that this all happened to and someone's been stalking her and everything else. So December 20th, 2013, they visit Sydney at home. It's a five-minute drive from the landing where her car was found she he lives at home with tammy and their three children um tammy's mother father and sister live next door oh my god oh wait never mind leaving her how she chains him to the bed takes his phone and her whole family lives next door fucking blow your brains out paint your bedroom with your brains

because that is a fucked up day sorry that's that's a chess match that's what that is she put she put all her pieces around him he has nowhere to go no checkmate he's got pawns and rooks and fucking bishops and everything else sideways guys it's all happening so you need some fucking space wow that's a lot man that's a lot so that's they all live next door the police discover that the moorers have a home surveillance system that tammy tells them it doesn't work though yeah we have but it just doesn't work we don't use it um so uh also the black at f-150 that's in the driveway, Tammy tells them, yeah, I can't unlock that right now. Not right now? I don't know.

I can't unlock it. It can't be unlocked right now. I don't know why. I don't have any keys or what. It's out of locking fluid. But that's, yeah, we're all the locking mechanisms. We haven't been using it. It's just, it's sitting there.

So she said that, yeah, that's the surveillance system doesn't work. The police look in the truck. They observe a bag of cement, a spent shotgun shell and a bottle of cleaning fluid piled up by the Moors parked camper. OK. Cement, shotgun shell and cleaning fluid are a bad combination if someone's missing and you see those two those three things together normally don't go together usually if there's a spent shotgun shell in the trash with a bunch of others uh that's different there's some cleaning solvent in the in the garage that's normal yeah and and and some cement uh never have cement why do you have cement you

fucking psycho no one's like i'm gonna put some i'm gonna make a nice cement sidewalk to the backyard but first let me blast a shot a shell off and also let me keep my cleaning supplies out because cement gets dirty and outside i'm really gonna nobody has ever bought too much cement and just stored it you use all that you've got. You never have. You never have any leftover. He's got some, though. This is Jesus.

That's not great. Later on, that said of his of Sydney, quote, he was trying to give the police this idea of, look, I'm over her. I haven't reached out to her. I don't know where she is. I've had zero contact with her. That's his story. We haven't talked to her. I haven't reached out to her. I don't know where she is. I've had zero contact with her. That's his story. I haven't talked to her. I don't know shit about her.

Okay. This guy that doesn't know shit about technology. Nope. He denied ever being in the area of Peachtree Landing. Didn't go over there at all. Nope. Not at all. They talked to him here.

They're talking to him at the end of his driveway at one point. And at the time, he's not a suspect. They're just talking to him here. They're talking to him at the end of his driveway at one point. And at the time, he's not a suspect. They're just talking to him. There's body camera footage of the encounter. And in the video, he said he didn't go to Peachtree Boat Landing and said that, I don't know anything about what's up with Heather because I ended my involvement with her. He says, quote, I'm trying to fix things with my wife. I'm not denying it. I'm saying I ended it. He's like, yeah, I did trying to fix things with my wife. I'm not denying it. I'm saying I ended it.

He's like, yeah, I did have an affair and it's over. Now I'm trying to lay low here. So this isn't helping, by the way. We are doing that. Making it worse. So give me chain to a bed. Yeah. So I'm going to now I'm never getting up to pee.

So hold on. I fuck. I drank a cup. I already drank a bottle of water tonight. God damn it. I'm in trouble. So the day after this visit, Sydney purchases a new home surveillance system. Oh.

Interesting. So now they go to, they get a crime scene investigator, and they go to Heather's car and her apartment, and they're going to really go through that with a fine-tooth comb here. They find no signs of a struggle in either the car or the apartment um not at all um the car had been driven home that day by terry but they told him to wear gloves so he wore gloves and drove the car home to not fuck up any physical evidence with the crime scene if that's a crime scene it's destroyed at that point anyway you had a you had a guy drive it home None of that evidence is admissible now.

So that doesn't help any. They said, quote, originally this case was just assigned out as a missing person. So it wasn't like, oh, we need to preserve forensic evidence. It was, oh, who'd she go with? Maybe she did her boyfriend take her, you know, that sort of thing. We did not know or did not have any reason to believe a crime had been committed in the beginning. The car showed no signs of a struggle. There's no blood.

There's no broken glass. She's a 20-year-old who maybe took off with her. And who also went on a first date that night. Maybe it went well. That's what they were thinking. So while searching through her phone records, though, that's when they find an unusual number of calls, first from and then back to a pay phone starting at 1.35 a.m. which when's the last time you looked at a phone record and there was a fucking pay phone on there, number one.

Yeah, that should be a red flag every time. Yeah, you can just say it was from a pay phone. You go, well, there's three left in town. So it's this one, this one, or this one. There's not a lot of pay phones there. And yeah, they said that- Also, always, no matter where that phone is, have a camera trained on it 24 hours a

day yeah anybody using that is a fucking problem there's a problem yeah there's a huge issue yeah anybody using that phone has major issues they're either setting up a kidnapping or they're britney from love after lockup or something's going wrong. Or they just rolled their car and their phone shot out of the window like a fucking cannon. One of the three there. So they said that, quote, Heather dials that pay phone back nine times. The only reason she could possibly be calling that pay phone nine times, that phone she's never heard of before, is to get the other person, like we said. So they said they had the footage of him on the pay phone.

So they're telling him, well, we have footage of you on a pay phone walking up to the phone. And that's interesting here. So we'd like to talk to you about that. And he said, finally, as we'll talk about when they interrogate him in there, he's got an answer for that. about when they interrogate him in there. He's got an answer for that. Now, another call they talk about is this is her roommate talking about the call she got from her where she said Sidney wanted her back. She said, quote, she was hysterically crying and she said, Sidney called me and her friend said, my heart dropped because I was like, I thought we were past this. And I said, why'd you answer? And she said, because it wasn't his number. She told me he

said he left his wife because it was the pay phone and that he was sorry and that he wanted to see her and be with her, meaning Heather. And I told her, don't do it. Why don't you just go to sleep, sleep on this, and we'll talk about it first thing in the morning. And yeah, so she thought that she wasn't going to see Sidney when in fact she was. So they were, they revealed during the investigation, they look over surveillance footage and receipts from Walmart and found out that Sidney was telling the truth when he said he'd bought a pregnancy test. Cause he told him we went to Walmart and got a pregnancy test. And then they, they found out that they drove to the pay phone where they made the call.

Um, you know, they do, they find all of that of that the pay phone calls the durations and everything like that um as the calls were happening as heather was calling uh while she was at peach tree landing calling sydney in the 337 38 39 calls there at that time video surveillance cameras from two doorbell cams nearby further up the road recorded a black Ford F one 50 heading in the direction of the landing. Oh, and they said it's at three 41 AM and it's when Heather's cell phone dies and there's no more calls after that.

Right. So yeah, during their search for a matching truck, they found that Sydney Moore was the only person who lived anywhere near that landing that owned a black F-150. Oh, the luck. He's like, fuck, I should have bought a Ram. Damn it, there's a lot of them around here. That Cummins motor is great.

Yep. It's so good, though. So the same video cameras that caught the truck headed to Peachtree Landing was also captured heading back in the opposite direction at 345 a.m. Wow. So very quickly. Very rapid. Yeah. As in hop in.

Yeah. We're taking off. Sure I will. She gets in. They take off. Where's he taking her now? That's the problem. Uh-huh.

So yes. So that road, those surveillance cameras help a little bit. They at least pick up the car, but they don't pick up anything else. You know what I mean? So it's kind of hard here. They said, though, after conducting many tests, including a headlight spread pattern analysis, they formed the opinion that the video footage was of Moore's Ford F-150. Based on the halo that his headlights put out.

Yeah, headlights spread pattern analysis. Fascinating. So now they get a new search warrant for the moorers. Now they're real curious. They go there. They find that they just installed a new security system since they've last visited, number one. That's interesting here. And they said they looked at the truck because that was the truck that they saw in the video.

They said it was a brand new F-150, fully loaded, had all the bells and whistles. In this truck was a GPS navigation system. So they're like, now we can go. Yep. We learned through the course of this investigation, though, that it was possible to disengage this system, and that's exactly what they did. He knew. This truck is less than a month old. He's very well aware of what that truck's capable of.

When you buy a car, do you immediately go, let me disengage this GPS right away? Never even think about it. Never. You go, oh, how does this work, and is it better than my old one? Can it get me somewhere? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So at this point, two investigators

are starting to believe that maybe Tammy had something to do with this as well. So they interview Sidney here after the search, and he said he never left his wife's side that night. Never. He said, I stayed home after the pregnancy test. We went home. I was handcuffed to the bed

that night, as a matter of fact. She handcuffs me to the bed, as you can ask anybody was even i was handcuffed to the bed that night as a matter of fact she handcuffs me into the bed as you can ask anybody and i was handcuffed to the bed what's up with the pot stickers how'd you do that so they said at the uh county police department headquarters he said he never called heather that night and then they said um had you used any other phones that night your wife's phone did you make any pay phone calls and his answer was nope do they even still have pay phones that was his answer so the answer he's so frustrating yep do they even still have pay phones weird you know very well that there's a couple. Yeah. So they said, especially a guy who goes from restaurant to restaurant, seen a pay phone.

He says there was a pay phone call. They tell him anyway. There was a pay phone call made to Heather that night from a pay phone at the gas station on 10th Avenue. We have a video from that. Did you try calling her for just a minute? We have a video from that. Yeah try calling her for just a minute we have a video from that yeah so we see you doing it did you do it you know what he says no he's like 11 and he's caught in a lie and he knows it and he's gonna just continue the lie it sucks when shaggy's the murderer that's the problem it's he just he won't admit it just one

me and no matter what you say, one me. You can't get him to admit it. Saw your truck. We even got you on camera. One me. Your license plate. One me. Don't know what you're talking about.

One me. God is such an asshole. So yeah, nope, nope, nope. And they said, are you sure? And he said, no. Which is a bad answer because you're sure it would be yes. He said, no. Are you sure?

No, not sure. So the cops, this is the greatest thing after. All the cop says is, okay, how about we start again? Look, this is sloppy. Let's flush this out. Let's just tear this paper up and we'll redraw it. This is a mess what's going on right now. How about we start again?

So then he says, okay, I did. I called her. There you go. Because Lee knows he's fucked here. We know. We saw you. You don't even have to say yes. We just wanted to see if you were honest or not.

That's all we were doing. Yeah. When a cop asks you a specific question like that, it means that they might have information that they know something. That's why it's hard to lie. So because you don't know what they know and what they don't know. So he said he only did it, though, to call her to tell her to leave him alone and stop leaving notes on his car. That's the only reason I called her.

You know, I figured stalking me from one thirty in the morning from a pay phone is really the best time to communicate. Usually when I own an iPhone, when i have an iphone at my house yeah so uh he also told police he didn't want his wife tammy to know that he was calling heather so he parked across the street and walked to a pay phone out of sight that's what he said so they questioned the logic of that saying well the pay phone call lasted four minutes. Also, that's kind of a longer than just leave me the fuck alone. You hang up.

What are you talking about for four minutes? And he said, look, you know, during all this, he said, yeah, my wife has trust. Trust issues with me after she found out about the affair with Heather. And I agreed to be handcuffed to the bed each night for six months after she found out his sentence was six months. It was she said, I'm going to handcuff you to the bed each night for six months after she found out his sentence was six months it was she said i'm gonna handcuff you to the bed for six months and he said okay deal six months is a sentence of bed cuffing i'll have a divorce thanks that is wild and uh so he also struggled to recall exactly where he went with his not his wife that night i don't know where we went weird just can't really think night i don't know where we went weird just can't really think about it um they said quote we were talking about what you did two

nights ago not even 48 hours earlier and he was like well i think i went there i may have gone there no no i think we did that and he said he hadn't been drinking so for him to have so much of a memory loss from two nights previous sounded a little out of context. You think? Especially for a guy who keeps business appointments for what restaurant he has to be at tomorrow. He knows exactly where he was exactly when. Plus, he's been handcuffed to the bed every night. If you're out past dark, he's going to know because he's like, oh, that's the night I wasn't handcuffed to the bed.

I know exactly where I went. Trust me. Jesus. So they're trying to find a motive here other than jealousy or motive for him. What's his motive? Just to shut his wife up? You know, if you kill her, it'll be better. If she's not on the face of the earth, I can live with it and we can be fine and go on.

I don't know. Tell me more about this fucking pregnancy test. What did you do, man? and go on i don't know tell me more about this fucking pregnancy test what did you well that's the thing here is they noticed that a friend of hers who works with her named jody noticed that heather had gone up in a in size in her outfit in her twisted kilt or prior to her tilted kid outfit prior to her disappearance tilted kit what i just say tilted kid that's what it should be called it's jared fogel's favorite restaurant he stopped doing subway ads so he could go to the tilted kid and do their ads oh god the tilted kid jesus christ yeah wow been a long week everybody her her uh her her dirty irish or

dirty scottish girl outfit is yes getting bigger it's getting bigger and her friends are kind of like hmm interesting her one friend brianna her roommate her best friend said heather had taken a pregnancy test while at work i want to say it was in the beginning of november and she at the time wasn't sleeping with anybody else but sydney a month and a half later that's six weeks my friend six weeks that's a lot of time to uh for your body to start just to put a hoarding blood yeah enough to at least knock you a size up in your tiny little outfit so yeah so they called the um they said that um yeah they were trying to figure that out and this test had an error on it it didn't say she said the test said error what came up with it didn't it was like a fucking bum test she got a she had a inclusive it Which one's worse? An inconclusive pregnancy test

or an inconclusive polygraph? I think I'm going with pregnancy. Yeah. Well, to me, error would be like, yes, this was an error. Tell me how bad of an error it was. Boy, was it. I made an error.

How bad is it? How long will I be paying for this error? So they said that ultimately, the friend brianna said that they hadn't found out if she was pregnant or not she said i think it was still kind of up in the air like she took a test it was inconclusive and then she just went on with her life for a few days i'll figure it out next week i guess oh because she doesn't want to be pregnant i think so she's trying to you know that's normal the people do that all the time. Oh, the time is oh so precious. They do believe that she was possibly pregnant, though.

And if she was, it was definitely Sidney Moore's kid. And yes. So, wow. They said that possibly, they're thinking maybe that pregnancy test was for Heather, not for Tammy. Right. That would make a lot of sense. And they said, maybe it was, I'm going to take you home and force you to take a pregnancy test in front of my wife

so she knows you're not pregnant or some shit. I don't know. Perhaps one of her calls to him was, I think I might be pregnant. That's possible. And Brianna said, I think that if she was pregnant, I think there would be another reason why tammy would want heather out of the picture well no shit yeah so uh but they said that there's uh sydney said there's no hard evidence of any guilt to me is what he tells

his attorney at the time he gets an attorney and they said there's just a bunch of bad character evidence and a lot of circumstantial stuff but it's nothing bad just ever Just a timeline and videos of me going to the place where she disappeared from exactly when she disappeared. That's all. It's a horrific timeline with all the motive in the world. All sorts of motive. Oh, and my wife, too, who's got tons of motive. January 17, 2014, Tammy, in a since-deleted post, obviously, on Facebook,

2014 Tammy in a since deleted post obviously on Facebook she posted here that her husband had an affair with Heather Elvis and reported that she was being harassed by Elvis's family members about the affair so I guess maybe her family members were contacting her trying to figure out what the fuck happened to their family member you know know what I mean? What happened to Heather? So she's missing a month comes up now. A month. They have a big prayer vigil. The family does. The Elvis is here. And they said, the mother said, it isn't getting any easier.

It's getting harder. When a crisis happens, once it's done and it's over with, you deal with it. You cope with it. You accept it. Time heals. This just keeps getting worse and worse. There's nothing to accept. There's nothing to do but hang on to hope and pray for her. Jesus Christ. A lot of people were there. One of the attendees said, I know how I would feel if my daughter was missing. I would want people who are total strangers to come out

and help me look for her. Yeah, there's a lot of people doing that. They're searching the woods. They're searching everywhere all around here trying to find her. The mom said there are still tips we're waiting to come in. There's still information we don't have from people who may have been with her or seen her even two weeks prior to her missing, waiting for the tip that's going to break this case. So, yeah, she said that her sister Morgan, elvis said that she hopes people can remember her sister as a person and not judge her character because pictures don't paint a complete picture don't

look at her tilted kid kilt outfit and be like oh she was out sucking every dick on the fucking on the docks like she's just it's not her fault her uniform happens to be that. Yeah. They just pay an extra two bucks an hour because you have to. It's not even her fault for having an affair with a married man. That's not her fault. It's his fault for not being honest with her. Yeah. It's his responsibility to his wife at the same time. Yeah.

I mean, but that's nobody's perfect. I'm not judging anybody. And especially if he told her, my wife and I have an open marriage. There's a thing. She has a boyfriend. I'm allowed to get a girlfriend. This is totally cool. Like at that point, you know, I mean, obviously for her own good, she could have been like,

you get away from me. You ponytail wrong with you. Maintenance working 40 year old three kid having fucking loser. What kind of ego of you to think you get to bang 20-year-olds? NFL players come in here. What are you talking about? Like, fuck out of here. You know what I'm saying?

We're in South Carolina. I could fuck the entire Gamecocks team next week. Get the fuck out of my restaurant. At will. You take a hike. And I will. No, no. At will, I said.

At will. Not and I will. But like, yeah, 20-year-old chick who's attractive, she doesn't need him. Yeah, she doesn't need him. No, but that's it. So her sister said, at the end of the day, Heather's a person. She's a girl. She's a sister.

Maybe someday she'll be a mom and she'll have a daughter. So she said that the way her sister dressed for work shouldn't affect any of this or having an affair with a married man or any of that shit shouldn't affect you know looking for her and feeling bad for her rumors have gone crazy around this town of her with people posting comments about her character right on the find heather elvis facebook page they're doing that what yep they said in a situation like this all of your faults come out and she's not that person she the good is always buried under rumors that make headlines and uh they the reward for finding her is up to thirty thousand dollars in a month to find her now tammy's friend laura said that she knew tammy and sydney through their through her teenage son. I guess that their kids had known each other.

So she said that she had both Sidney and Tammy's cell phone numbers and that the family came over to her house in early December to show off their new shiny black F-150. She said that night Tammy had been drinking, but that was normal because it was Saturday night. So Tammy's going to be, Tammy going to get fucked up on a Saturday night, period. It's Saturday. I just got church tomorrow. So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to stink in church is what I'm going to do. I'm going to be stinking. So she said that Tammy wanted to smoke some weed.

So they went in her bedroom and smoked some weed because their kids are all there. weed so they went in her bedroom and smoked some weed because their kids are all there so um they said that after heather went missing this woman said that tammy talked to her about the relationship between heather and sydney she said it wasn't tammy said quote it wasn't sex it was just oral sex yeah i mean the words right there but yeah not only that really and then they're not having sex right we're just gonna stop it here get the fuck out of here please so yeah i've never just been like only blow me then it's not so she also said that she used to not be told of any open relationship that they had either. That was another thing that she didn't know anything about that.

She never heard about that. But at one point, Tammy mentioned that she had a boyfriend now. She said someone from a rock band. I don't think it's a good one. No, I was going to say someone from The Bar who played covers one night. Yeah. I was going to say someone from the bar who played the covers one night. Yeah.

She also says that Tammy messaged her son on Facebook about the Heather Elvis case, accusing him of not being loyal to the Moore family. So she's attacking teenagers, too. Tammy is. The friend said, I never told him about it because she had access to his account. She just deleted it. So the kid wouldn't get freaked out. So the police talked to Tammy because she's the she's the key to everything here. I feel like this has got to be the best interview of all time unless she just says, I want a lawyer.

No, no. She described the relationship between her and her husband is open. Yep. She said that the investigator said she pulled out a hotel key that she discovered in. This is what the investigators, the she, the investigator pulled out a hotel key that she found in Heather's car and showed it to Tammy. She said the key led the investigators to Sidney Moore because he's the guy who paid for the hotel room. That's how we found out about him to begin with. So we even knew to look for him.

Yeah. So then the they talk about Facebook posts written by Tammy where she described the affair between her and her husband. She used the words like hoe to describe Heather, among other words, saying this hoe, homewrecker, 20-year-old skank coming to my house. According to the post, now Tammy admitted to having a boyfriend but said that Heather's actions took the affair to a whole new level that affected her children. That's why she was mad at her. Okay. You affected your children, but I'll go on. Yeah.

So this interview here goes on. Tammy came to police to follow up. She came in for the interview to follow up on complaints of harassment she complained of being harassed, Tammy did. Okay. And she of being harassed. Tammy did. Okay. And she would answer some questions. She said this about the relationship between Sidney and Heather. Quote, I had boyfriends. We had an open marriage.

It's okay. I could care less if he had sex with 100 people. It still doesn't bother me. Yeah. Okay. As long as they're uglier than you. Yes. As long as they don't make me jealous is exactly what it is.

As long as they're older and uglier, I don't care. It's fine. That's like a guy going, as long as every guy's dick is smaller than mine, she can fuck as many people as she wants. That's the female equivalent of what a guy would say. As long as they're so gross she doesn't cum, she can fuck anybody. She can fuck anybody. I don't care.

She just can't enjoy it. Tammy had sent a message to her friend in early 2014 in reference to Sidney said, I do not love him. He betrayed me and I will never, ever forgive or forget that. Trust me, there's zero love on my end. And then another message they asked her about that she sent the day before Heather disappeared. She said to her friend, I just had someone cheat on me that I thought was my soulmate. You never know who will screw you over in life. I felt totally betrayed.

I'm better off without that liar. Explain those shits, Tam. Yeah, but she doesn't. And she doesn't give any clear explanation of what might have happened to Heather. She said, I don't know. And so who the hell knows? That's it. And she the one investigator said to Sidney, we're just trying to get to the bottom of this with her being missing. Hopefully she turns out, turns out, turns up, turns up.

And Sidney said that would be fantastic because everything's like, oh, she's fine. She disappeared and ran off and did whatever the hell she did. That's what he says. So February 20th here, Tammy writes on social media that her husband had cooperated with the Horry County police during the investigation and had allowed the police to inspect their home. And she said that the police served three warrants on their telephones, video surveillance, and one of their vehicles. And, you know, just like, hey, we're cooperating. I don't know what these people. No need to talk shit about us.

Okay. So the county attorney here, he gets the case and he's looking at it. And he wants to get them in custody while they finish this investigation because they're pretty sure they have something to do with this, obviously. They have zero. They've explained nothing away. Nothing about why you're picking her up at the exact time she disappears. So they bring them in on lesser charges, okay? Not having anything to do with it.

One is indecent exposure. Oh, who pulled their dick out? That's the thing. They said that it was some indecent exposure warrants showed the Moores were accused of exposing themselves in public between December 18th and 19th at 1325 Celebrity Circle and in Conway and Atlantic Avenue and Century Circle. So I don't know if she was blowing them in the car or I don't know what the fuck they were doing. Two days after she goes missing, they're doing this shit that night december 17th that's her date night and when she goes missing is december 17th and 18th what the hell do they have on them interesting and also for obstruction of justice the obstruction warrants say that sydney impeded or interfered with the investigation into heather's

disappearance by providing false misleading or inaccurate information regarding the disappearance. Sure. So like you came in and lied in the interrogation room. So now we're going to charge you with that shit. OK. So they also have an obstruction of justice warrant for Tammy as well, saying she wasn't honest, said she provide. They say she provided false information about her and her husband's activities. They said that stuff that was found in the house, if we didn't have a lot of stuff already

from two months ago or six weeks ago, it wouldn't have been that much. But it has added to things we already expected, so we're able to find some extra stuff after what we already know to be the obstruction of justice and indecent exposure. This man,

talking about stuff, I'm going to read another paragraph and then I'll give you my comment. Boy. Quote, certainly there was a lot of strategy involved. In one way, this case is similar to others that the more you look, the more you dig, the more you usually get. We started off with a baseline and that was us being capable of saying we can prove beyond probable cause that these two did in fact obstruct justice and public nudity. As we added to it from the search warrant, we found that we could get the kidnapping charge.

We ran that by a judge and the judge said yes. So then after we did that, we looked at some more stuff and then we said, all right, we think we can get a murder charge. So that man talking about stuff and going back, he talks in front of jurors to try to explain things to them and be crystal clear so that everybody understands this guy is like and then we got some stuff that goes to the thing you get some vague answers and vague information for everybody i need you to understand this so they charge sam uh tammy and sydney with murder. They charge them with murder, kidnapping, indecent exposure, and obstruction of justice. Okay. So they're being held.

They have a bond hearing coming up, and it doesn't seem like they'd get too good of a bond with these kind of charges here. So, yeah, they said we have additional evidence that we located during the search that gave to us probable cause for the murder charge. OK, now they said that they in their court thing, they figured that they killed her, kidnapped her and murdered her with malice and forethought at the Peachtree boat landing. The cars where the car was parked, obviously, and all that sort of shit. So they said, we need a good, secure case. That's basically what it boils down to. From the very beginning, we sat down with the Elvis family. We really did go through the process of explaining it to them.

We told them that there was going to be highs and lows and disappointments on your part and that we're not moving as fast as you think we should. And now it has come to fruition. There are times that we did not move as fast as the Elvis family would have liked. Sure. That's going to happen. Yeah. They said, though, they paid particular attention to the Moors early on, kept tabs on their social media to California. They said they were very aware of where they were at all times, and they were coordinating with other agencies to keep an eye on them also. They said the public needs to know that kidnapping doesn't necessarily mean being taken to another location. Right. So it's simply keeping someone from being able to leave. Yeah. So we have this idea that you put a bag over their head and take them out of state.

Anytime you're unable to leave, it's a kidnapping. I would think it would be improper to say we found her blouse or we found her toothpaste or whatever. So this is the problem, too. They have a truck. They had cement. They have cleaning products. They have shotgun shell. They went out of town. They to california uh back and forth anywhere between here and california is possible from south

carolina to california yeah that's the whole fucking country so anywhere in that couple thousand miles maybe you could look i mean where where do you even start? You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. They said that the moorers get different attorneys. Oh. And they said that's common, though, when their two spouses are arrested. They said anytime you're charged with the same crime, you may well have a different interest than your partner. They may have something that they need to talk about with their attorney that's adverse to his wife, and the wife may have something that she wants to talk about vice versa there so um she is represents she doesn't like her lawyer we'll find out by the way too tammy hates him they said we have enough to charge them with murder without

the body it's always easier if you have a body but no body no crime as we know is not a can't say that no body no crime they're like oh fuck that charges charges they said it's always easier if you have a body but we've tried cases several times without a body the main thing about getting a body now is more about peace of peace for the family yeah it helps in court too it really does yeah it helps they said that it's a long road to a conviction and they said we're continuing the investigation because our ultimate goal is to find Heather. We've crossed one hurdle and we're still have numerous more to go. We recognize that, which I would hope you would.

So they're their whole thing is that obvious case. Tammy's infuriated with Heather about the affair. She finds out she's possibly pregnant with her husband's child. She wants to kill her, dispose of her and her unborn child so the couple can not have to deal with them. They said Tammy had control over Sidney's iPhone and actions

and she and Sidney lured him to the landing by asking her to take a pregnancy test that day they purchased at Walmart. This is what the theory is. They discovered an empty pregnancy test kit box at Heather's apartment as well. Okay. Tammy and Sidney destroyed their own incriminating surveillance camera footage from the night of the disappearance, and Tammy and Sidney had a kidnapping kit

of cement, that's what they called it, cement cleaning solution and a shotgun shell at the end of their driveway. I just keep it out there in case I got to really throw it in the car and run and dispose of a body. Is it like a trash pile at the end of the driveway? No, no, no. But there's nothing else there. It's just them. They just put it there.

They're going to throw it in the car. Then finally they have Tammy's cousin, Donald DeMarino. And he's got some shit to say which is fun stuff here. Oh it's fun here. DeMarino says explain that from this picture here. Basically okay DeMarino testifies later on that Sidney showed him a picture of the victim on a burner phone. He had a burner cell phone. Showed him a picture of the victim on a burner phone. He had a burner cell phone.

Okay. Showed him a picture of the body of Heather dead. He explained that from that picture, it did not look like the victim could move or talk, and he believed the picture was for Tammy, like he did it to prove it to Tammy that he did it. Oh, okay. So he took a picture, sent it to Tammy,

but also showed him. I thought he accidentally sent that picture to him. Oh, shit. Didn't mean to do that. God damn it. oh oh okay so we took a picture sent to tammy but also showed him i thought yeah like he accidentally sent that picture oh shit didn't mean to do that god damn it all contacts fuck whoops whoops damn it and based on the picture he did not expect anyone to hear from heather ever again this de marino stated he did not tell anyone about the picture until he was in prison for an unrelated drug offense and then was like i I mean, I know some stuff you might want to hear about. This might help me. But he did not receive anything in exchange for telling about the picture, he said.

He did say, though, he told his mother over the phone that this story was not true. What? So we don't know anything if that's true or not. No idea. I got a feeling their whole family is untrustworthy. Yes. And in court, he said he only told his mother that to stop her from worrying.

She is an Italian mother, DiMarino. Good point, yeah. She's going, oh my God, gee, what's his name? Donald, Donnie, what are you doing? Donnie, oh Jesus, Donnie, what's wrong? What's wrong, Donnie? Oh my goodness. I know there's something wrong.

Did someone show you a picture on a cell phone that you don't like right now? Donnie's like, Ma, it's a lie, all right? Jesus Christ. Take your blood pressure medication and shut the fuck up and go back in your room. Ma, go watch Jeopardy. Stop. Seriously.

I'm so not Italian. When you said Donald DiMarino, I thought it was a middle initial. Donald DiMarino. That's fucking hilarious. I'm sure a lot of people probably thought that so um now they're gonna try and get bail on kidnapping and murder charges possibly kidnapping and murdering a pregnant girl so well you guys go on your way until we figure this out sure it's wild so they said um during and after the bond hearing here, they discussed the evidence. They talk about a botched DNA test as well.

There's some kind of DNA test that didn't work. The judge sets a bond of $100,000 each for the couple. Wow. Letts says they can get out, orders them to be GPS monitored and stay five miles away from the Elvis home while they're free on bail. Moore is released at 554 the next day and her husband's released by that's on a Friday on a Monday. He's out. And that was the third bond request for her and the second one for him.

And they got out there. So the prosecution says, I can tell you with the utmost confidence, if it was said that the initial bond hearing that it came directly out of discovery that was provided, there's been no substantial change in circumstances from that first one. So they don't understand why the fuck they're letting them out now. Why'd you deny it two weeks ago? And now it's there. So the defense attorneys say that the county police are just under pressure to solve the case, and they did so by arresting the Moores on indecent exposure charges after Cindy Moore admitted to being romantically involved with his wife in a vehicle. So they were they were fucking in a car. They were fucking in a car while they were going to plan out murders, a murder, allegedly, or after it or after it. after it well it was from the 17th the 18th

so they're figuring it out yes they're they're so they get that gets them so hot they fuck in the car that is fucking wild so they said the case was not solved it's a situation where law enforcement was able to solve the case and then go arrest the individuals who were responsible for it the arrest of them was designed to solve the case and if they arrest the individuals who were responsible for it. The arrest of them was designed to solve the case, and if they had committed a crime, it would have worked very well. But they didn't, is the defense attorney's whole point here. They said after they cooperated with the investigation, which produced other leads, for whatever reason,

the prosecutor who previously had the case decided to basically bring shock and awe down on Tammy Moore. had the case, decided to basically bring shock and awe down on Tammy Moore. Okay. Describing, he described 20 to 40 police cars that arrived the day the couple were arrested and taken in here. He said, it was my understanding that the prosecutor believed that Tammy Moore was the killer and they were trying to get her husband to give a statement against her. I told her, if you say your husband did it, I'm pretty sure you're going to walk out of

here. And Tammy said, yes, I was told that told that her lawyer said just blame your fucking husband he's banging her he's knocking her up you get out of this thing say he did it all and you're gonna walk done otherwise if you try to keep saying no they're gonna get you on this because you have just as much reason as he does yeah and then his lawyer said that he just fucking you know told her to tell him to blame her yeah said his client was to you should make a statement against your wife and he said i don't know anything about it he said there's no physical evidence there's no direct evidence that's what he said she'll be so mad at me if i do that that is fucking wild man so they said within a couple months they received direct information that they got they found heather elvis's dna in sydney moore's truck

they said that was very that was fucked up because he said that she had never been in that truck because they broke they just got that truck two weeks before that. Then it turned out that it was a mistake by the lab. It was actually they had they swabbed Heather's vehicle and her DNA was in her own vehicle, not in this vehicle. So that was the big thing. That's why they ended up getting bond, because there was no DNA. Got it. So, yes. So then they said, other than that, other than a phone call, there's really nothing there, is what the defense said.

OK, what the defense said. OK. What the fuck? They said he's a suspect in the disappearance that initially appears to be because he had a relationship with her. That's it. It was a short term relationship and it concluded a couple months prior. He was interviewed with his wife. They had repaired their marriage. The purpose of him making that call was to ask Heather to please discontinue calling him and leaving notes on his car. When I am, it's a good time to do that. Yep. That's that's fucking wild.

But then the co-workers talk about a day when Heather missed had 90 missed calls from Sidney's phone one time at work. And they're talking about. Yep. They said she had a lot of messages. One of her friends said every message that was threatening to the 20-year-old came from Sidney and Tammy. There's no doubt about it. When you look at the phone records, they came from Sidney Moore's phone. Jesus Christ, how stupid are you?

So they're released out there. The family marks two years of her being missing at this point. Oh, my God. Two years. Yep. That's fucking wild, man. And these two are out? They're out yeah they're they're waiting trial um morgan said death is hardest on the living and questions are hardest on the living

because you don't know where someone's at and time slows down yeah they said they've had a hard time struggling through this they said everything's pretty much the same nothing's changed we're in limbo looking for our daughter. It hasn't been easy. No, that's the worst thing possible. You'd rather find her fucking dismembered than this. This is mad. What's worse? Yeah.

So Tammy's lawyer said that they're ready to move forward with the court date. He said it's been two years. We're ready to go. And God damn it, she's looking forward to having this matter heard and getting to court and having a resolution there's also gag orders on evidence going out nobody knows anything that's going on here um now the elvis family has a petition to remove the judge from presiding over the murder trial for some day for some reason they don't like the judge. It gains over 3,300 signatures to this petition, but I think he's still there. During September of 2014, the Moore's are out. They receive permission to move to Florida.

What? No, you're going to stick around, guys. They said they found work there, and so they were allowed to relocate, but they must remain under the same restrictions, including home detention monitoring and provide all their, you know, everything changes, they have to do it. Yeah. So interesting here. So they said, I think in general, this is the defense or the prosecution. I think in general, it's just common in man to speculate when you don't have a lot of answers.

Now, this is the defense. Your mind fills in that gap. And then, you know, that's just a crapshoot. You're guessing. I would suggest just like the defense. I would suggest just like the defense would say that it's that it's to wait and see what 12 jurors are seated for the trial and withhold judgment, guilty or not, until the facts are presented.

So we're ready for a trial here. But Jesus, 2016, and sydney's murder charges are dismissed before okay yeah because they don't want they don't want those good call i i think that's a good i i i hate it but i like it because what if they're what if they're found not guilty then you can't try them again well Well, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. And there's kidnapping in there as well. Also, the obstruction of justice charge is dismissed against Tammy, but not against Sidney. Okay. And two charges of indecent exposure are also dismissed against both of them.

Okay. Okay. They're still charged with kidnapping, and he's also charged with obstruction. Okay. Here. Sidney still faces all that so uh sydney said it's about time that they drop the charges he said this on a facebook post it's about time my friends and family know the truth they were they know we were set up and

lied on from day one they lied on us lied on us that's how Southern this man is. Yep. They lied on me. Wow. So the officials declined to say why they were dismissing them. They didn't seek that. They didn't know. They said our focus is still information on finding out where Heather is and looking for tips or anyone who knows anything at all. Jesus. No shit. Yeah.

The family says, help us find our daughter. Yeah, the family says, help us find our daughter. Then, after that, the Moores are denying the charges. Sidney Moore changed his Facebook profile picture to a screenshot of tweets from what appeared to be Heather Elvis' Twitter account. Why would you do that? Those tweets concern Elvis discussing her mother and father. Here. Horry County prosecutors have failed,

he said in his Facebook status. They arrested an innocent couple and held them hostage for more than two years. The solicitor got away with ruining their lives and damaging the lives of their three young children. Then there's more accusations against the county police and prosecutors and all this type of shit. And he says that the police are not searching all avenues and not arresting

who was responsible for the disappearance. It also states that Sydney did not have a relationship with her, but did engage with sexual activity with her. It's a relationship. At the same time, Sydney is taken to civil court by the last thing you would expect to take him to civil court. Not the parents of the missing girl. Not this, not that.

Toys R Us takes him to court. They're the throes of bankruptcy. I don't want to grow up. I'm a murderous kid. They sued him. They sued him. Uh-huh. For what?

That's right. They sued him. They sued him. Uh-huh. For what? That's right. For defaulting on $6,600 worth of payments on his Toys R Us credit card. What the fuck are you buying? They have three kids.

I don't know. What's going on? $6,000 worth of toys? $6,600 worth of toys. He said he was unable to pay the bill because he was incarcerated on false charges that's what he said so sydney is first tried for kidnapping there's a hung jury really yes so then they try him again 2016 kidnapping and obstruction of justice they charge him with obstructing justice for lying to the police um the pay phone call denying the video that he was there and all that sort of

thing. Um, yeah, they testify that they got the, um, they obtained a surveillance recording from the seaboard street Walmart where he can be seen in, in,

uh, parking his truck in a handicap space and entering the store about one 12. And he's an asshole too. I'm December 18th, 2017. More fucking obvious. He's just a dick he selected a test and purchased it along with a cigar at 119 and that's what they say um terry elvis said he couldn't say whether helvis helvis heather elvis was pregnant at the time she went missing um he said we've heard different testimony just like you have.

Usually you don't believe something until you see it. We're not in a position to see that yet. A bunch of coworkers from the restaurant, from the Tilted Kilt, say they thought she was pregnant because she'd been involved with a guy. She was putting on weight, and she said she was worried about it. And then they talk about the error test. They also talk about the date she went on, because that's the defense's big thing here. Yeah.

What about Steve? Yeah, she hung out with our guy how many times? They hung out, they fucked, he knocked her up, for Christ's sake. She never was dead. She went out with this guy one night, and he's dead, and she's dead. Poor Steve is either the most unlucky man on the planet or a murderous nightmare or and and a fucking master criminal who sets up other people and steals their truck and puts it in he'd be a master like a joker level criminal just diabolical they said you know you were the

last person would you agree you're the last person to lay eyes on her and he said to my knowledge yes he said he tried contacting her the next day when he was supposed to she never called she never answered he never heard back and then she was he was called later on by her roommate who told him that she was missing and uh they said well when did you what did you do that night the rest of the night he said i went home i didn't leave again till 9 a.m that's it so that's all i gotta do i definitely whacked it yeah because it was i kissed her she's she's smoking she's hot and i man it got me going yeah so uh there's phone records also they're going to talk about obviously the kangaroo gas station phone records and everything like that we already went over all

that the surveillance footage as well so you know the truck that goes by and comes back it's it's very pretty it's pretty damning to watch the guy take a phone call no she answered it drive to the spot where they found her car then fucking leave at the time she was calling him it's pretty damning it really doesn't look good yeah the surveillance film especially is that's the that's the tough one because you could see him doing it. You know what I mean? That's rough. Terry Elvis, after the first day, said it's been a long day, covered a lot of ground.

A lot of things we hadn't heard brought out. Glad to see brought out. I feel confident we're going to see justice. There is a motion to suppress Sidney's interviews, though, here. Some of his interviews, yeah, saying that his interview should be thrown out since he wasn't read his Miranda rights in the driveway. Oh.

Because he wasn't a suspect at the time. He was just being questioned. Yeah, he knows her. It's an investigation. That's it. Also, they have one of the officers, former detective Alan Large. They try to say that he did something because Large is facing six charges of misconduct in office and five charges of criminal sexual conduct.

So they're trying to say anything he says doesn't count because he sucks. Please, for the love of fuck, if you're an officer, keep your fucking nose clean. Please don't be a piece of shit. God damn it. Jesus, because then this happens and everything from you is gone., keep your fucking nose clean. Please don't be a piece of shit. God damn it, man. Jesus, because then this happens and everything from you is gone. You're a fucking jerk. You're ruining things. Jesus, you're fucking everything up.

So the verdict is kidnapping and obstruction of justice. Guilty of obstruction of justice. Yeah. The jury is hung on kidnapping. God damn it. So he is found guilty of obstruction of justice, though. Yeah. And the judge is going to bang him pretty good for it.

You, sir, may fuck off 10 years in prison for obstruction of justice. Which, I mean, this is a murder case here, so that's not... But it's still a lot for obstruction. That's heavy. Tammy's charges are kidnapping and conspiracy to kidnap oh that's what she ends up getting if he's not guilty holy she's got a good chance so yes they uh they bring her in and they said we don't have her on video at walmart we didn't have her making a pay phone call we got none of that um they said that they're they see that they found there was more of a pattern

between the time Heather broke up with Sydney and the time she went missing. She said after Tammy found out about this affair, they literally stalked Heather Elvis. They were trying to figure out the route she took on a daily basis, basically watching her to find out when she might be most vulnerable. My God. They said, yeah, the defense said if the state, it's as if the state came up with a theory and just tried to make it. I wouldn't call it evidence. I mean, there's no evidence.

There's just a theory with some props. Yeah. So they make their opening statements here. They do all that. And they say that they told the prosecution tells the jury that they took she took away her husband's cell phone, chained him to the fucking bed at night, which doesn't look good here. They said that she also forced her husband to get a tattoo of her name on his lower abdomen after this. Like a Tupac tattoo?

Yeah, it's just a Tammy life. Tammy life. Oh, my God. Fucking this dick belongs to tammy um yeah so they that's fucking amazing here they brought in uh the son's friend named jacob who said that this kid said that tammy moore told her husband if you wouldn't have messed with that girl this wouldn't be happening while he was getting the tattoo this is punishment while he's getting it while he's getting it. While he's getting it. He's like, ow.

And he's like, well, it wouldn't have been happening if you didn't have to fuck that hot 20-year-old. She's a heartless bitch, man. She's rough. They compared her, the prosecution, to the evil queen in Snow White. That's a good one. They said, when you mix jealousy, deceit, and

just an absolute crazed woman so worried about Elvis stealing her husband, that is when unnatural things happen. Now, the defense doesn't deny that Sidney has the tattoo, but they say he got it long before he ever met Heather. That's their thing here.

The defense called the whole case a square peg in a round hole it's all bullshit a detective here said she knew the moorer family through her teenage son or not the detective uh there's a detective that's going to come talk here um but the friend uh the laura who knew the someone who knew the uh moorers through their sons there she talks she testifies about them coming over with the black truck smoking marijuana saying it's not sex it's just oral sex she said tammy said um then she said she was fucking someone from a rock band and um all of that kind of shit so also all the phone data they go through okay yeah. Yeah. So they go through all that.

Heather's father during this, Heather's father now, is found guilty of contempt of court. Oh, he will not stop. Good for you, man. Well, he's out in the hallway and he called a defense attorney a derogatory name during the break. You can't threaten the attorneys. That's the thing you can't do. Oh, Mr. Elvis. I like your style. If you said, tammy i want to knock you out but not

the attorney that's bullshit i think i'm sure if you got accused of something you'd want that motherfucker next to you that's what i'm saying but the attorney probably uh you think they baited him you think i don't know i wish i knew the whole circumstances they didn't know attorneys don't fucking bait the victim's families what defense attorney said something shitty to No, I guarantee you he didn't say anything shitty to him. I'm sure he didn't even make eye contact with him probably. He was just trying to avoid him because you don't want that guy to come punch you in the face. He just wants to fight him because he's defending her? Yeah, which makes sense.

It's an emotional response that anybody can understand. I would do this. I would want it too, but then you've got to think that's not helping anything. He's not defending her. He's defending the Constitution, sir. Understand that. That's what it anything. He's not defending her. He's defending the Constitution, sir. Understand that. That's the thing. I totally get why your emotions would tell you to do this.

But it came on the first day of witnesses. The defense attorney, Casey Brown, was using a restroom during the break. The bathroom was near a waiting room where the Elvis family had their breaks during the trial. There, the lawyer said he encountered a man and as he left another person started yelling at him and terry elvis was one of those people he said terry elvis told him he was a lowlife and a piece of shit well that's swinging hard that's swinging hard he said i felt there was an attempt to intimidate so the attorney another attorney on just in the area he saw the exchange and a court security officer also said she heard someone call him a low life as well

so the judge sentences terry elvis to 30 days in prison or a 400 fine for this whichever he wants whichever he wants he pays the fine he avoids the jail time, obviously. So directors of victim services here said that she didn't see the incident but talked to Terry Elvis about it. And she expressed to him that he needed to stay in his area during breaks. She said if the incident happened, it was just victimization and others speaking out. Okay? He was just speaking out. It's fine. He's just stressed out and upset.

Which is true. We get that. He said, freedom of speech isn't free, and it costs $400. That's what he said. No, you can't make... That's not, yeah. Yeah. You're intimidating a guy that's trying to defend somebody.

I understand why. And again, totally understandable. I'm on your side, and I'd be there, too. I'd be wanting to do that, too. But you've got to go, and keep that to yourself. You know, it sucks. It sucks. He didn't deny what he said, but he said there was no attack and no vulgar language, which a bunch of people heard.

Low-life piece of shit? Yeah, a bunch of people heard that. So a GoFundMe to pay for his contempt fine was created shortly and it raised plenty of money so he was fine he got more than they talk about the tattoo above his crotch is the way they put it it's not it's not on his belly below the belt line it's on his pelvis tammy over here she Wow. She branded him. She branded his fucking. If anybody blows you, they're going to stare at my name. They're going to stare at Tammy.

Wow. Yep. Forced him to do that. Testimony here said that it was a fucking punishment is what it said. Yeah. If we didn't do anything with that girl, it wouldn't be happening. The manager at the Tilted Kilt said that Tammy called one time and demanded on the phone that the hostess be fired or her husband wouldn't come to the repairs anymore. That's crazy.

That's not how life works. No. She claimed the conversation took place between October and December 2013. took place between October and December 2013. She said, Tammy barged into the conversation and proceeded to tell me how Heather was causing problems for her family, spreading rumors, and that she was pregnant by her husband and you should fire her. That's not against the tilted kilt policy.

They did have sex in the restaurant, which again is not against the tilted kilt policy. We're sorry. None of her behavior has been against the tilted kilt policy.'re sorry none of her behavior has been against the tilted they go over texts as well um all the different texts and everything about the communications and they said you you were texting your husband at 4 37 meanwhile you hadn't texted him for fucking months month and a half you talk about you know uh the explicit messages that you sent to Heather, all this shit. You sent a thing to your friend that this bitch is in hiding, all this type of shit.

It's kind of damning. It doesn't look good. It doesn't look great. The messages she sent also, these other messages that they bring out, these are sexually charged messages to an 18 year old man that she was hanging out with the messages were revealed on testimony um here they analyzed their stuff the messages indicated that she confiscated her son's phone or her husband's phone and used the device to sext a teen named caleb of course his name is caleb yeah if you're 40 and you're fucking a caleb you're too old 10 years ago nowadays it'd be fine because they're aging the caleb's are aging but caleb is barely 18 yeah definitely he claimed that the sexting started after more found out

about her husband's extramarital affair and searched the internet about quote cougar life that's what she was interested in here she told him in the tech in the sex that she was fantasizing about him one read and i quote be think about before you hit send on anything think about if there's a murder anywhere involved with anybody in this. We're going to read it someday on a podcast. Jimmy's going to die laughing. I'm going to hear you being filthy. Here's one.

I want you, Caleb. You don't even know. I want to fuck the hell out of you. That's a good one, man. You don't even one man you don't even know you don't even know you don't even know bro i'm gonna fuck the hell out of you man go on you know what stopped the sexting back and forth a picture his mother found out and got mad because the mother is the same fucking age as her. So she called Tammy and said, stop sexting my fucking son, you old pervert weirdo. Don't tell my kid you don't even know.

You don't even know. I'm going to fuck the shit out of you. Fuck the hell out of you. Wow. That is fucking amazing. Even today, James, Caleb is still in his 20s yeah he's not even 30 yet that's fucking crazy they also bring up text messages that hasn't haven't been seen before which are more text messages from tammy to heather one of which said someone's about to get their ass

beat down oh my god which isn't good um now tammy's gonna gonna testify she says she wants to testify the day before her testimony she does a very dumb thing goes completely against not only her the vice of her attorney but also against the violation of a court-imposed gag order on her. What did she do? And goes on ABC News and does an interview. What the fuck?

Why would... Why would... Why would you do that? I get why they would do that, but why the fuck would she? That is insane. Yeah, they're like, yeah, great. You want to blow your cool water. Fuck yeah.

Come on in. Knock yourself out. She said that she wanted to make sure that everything I did... Oh, this is... He was talking during the interview, Sidney said that he wanted to make sure that everything I did was accounted for, is what she did, that it all, that

it's looking normal like any other day in my life. What we got accused of, neither one of us would ever do. The kidnapping, and at first it was murder as well, this is what Tammy says. She said, we're not those kind of people. We're not those kind of people. We're not kidnapping and murder people.

It's not us. We're good people. She said, I've never even had a speeding ticket. I didn't have sex till I was 18 years old. Well, and then you tried to fuck an 18-year-old in your 40s. You've caught up on that account, lady. That's fine. She said it was her husband's choice to get the tattoo above his crotch.

Totally up to him. And that she never chained him to the bed, which we know isn't true because multiple people saw it. She said she was angry when she found that he was cheating, but she was mad at him for lying, not mad at Heather for doing it. Idiot. Yeah. was mad at him for lying not mad at heather for doing it when asked yeah when asked about the rumors that she was the dominant one in the relationship she said the man that makes the money is the one running the house pays the bills the man that makes the money is the one that's running the house pays the bills that was her fucking response to that the man so he's he he's the domineering one actually because, because he makes the money.

I'm not the man. Yeah. She also said she was terrified of taking the stand. She said, I feel like this town is going to crucify me because of all the lies that's happened. Not that we're told that were happened. She said that she didn't know who her husband was having an affair with until the girl called me back and told me who she was. I had no idea. So the text messages were never directed toward Heather Elvis is what she says.

She testifies. Her main testimony is I never handcuffed my husband to the bed and I was with him at Walmart when he purchased a pregnancy test because it was for her. And she also denies. She said he denied using the pay phone that night to her. So she just said, I don't know. I didn't do any of this. Washing my hands. Yep.

She said that her husband led her to believe he was cheating on her. He tried to hide text messages from Heather, and she said you wouldn't hide a work call. So yeah, she said that on the stand, she found out who he was involved with, and she didn't go about it the right way. She said, I'm sorry for that. It looks bad, but I just wanted to know who it was. That's all.

But the prosecutor said all of her answers contradicted statements by her husband and co-suspect here um you know she said then quote and i hate him a lot now because he didn't stand up for himself and testify at his last trial so you got to know exactly who she was right there yeah that dickless fucking yep you know he's a coward yeah yeah all right so she said while i was in jail i suffered acarriage. Don't know whose kid that was. And she's like, yeah, she's getting up there anyway. So she said that she wasn't able to go to her father's funeral and her children's grades have suffered. Oh, so she's a victim now. She's a victim.

That's what she said. Yeah. She said that when she gets cross-examined, the prosecutor said it takes very little to push her buttons and that she believed that it became personal between Tammy and that Tammy had said that the prosecutor ruined her life. Blame the prosecutor for it. Wow. They also asked about the time frame when Heather went missing and Tammy's text messages and social media posts accounted for her whereabouts that night. There's a gap in activity that lines up right with her disappearance, Heather's disappearance. Tammy said, quote, when I became a reborn Christian, I became a completely different person than I am now.

What? What? Huh? What's that now? Say again. I am now. Wait, what? Huh? What's that now? Say again. Than I am now? What are you now? I became, but now I'll lie.

I could sit here and wonder how many married men you've slept with, but this is what she says to the prosecutor, who's a woman, by the way. I could sit here and wonder how many married men you've slept with, but I'm not going to judge you on that because that doesn't mean you killed somebody. It doesn't mean you've slept with but i'm not going to judge you on that because that doesn't mean you killed somebody it doesn't mean you've kidnapped somebody well if any of those fucking people happen to be murdered and kidnapped and disappeared then maybe you would look into it have you slept with married men is that what you're trying to tell us yeah i don't know how many married men you've slept with um the prosecutor later on said quote when tammy first took the stand she came across very credible but i think we through the evidence already knew there was a different side of tammy moore and it fucking came out so four hours of deliberation the jury goes in for she is found guilty of kidnapping and

conspiracy of to kidnap really guilty yes uh judge here who ma'am, may fuck off two terms of 30 years to run concurrently. So it's 30 years, but it's 30 fucking years. She could get paroled on one and still have to serve the other. That's the problem. It's concurrent, but yeah, it's rough. So yeah, Brianna, the best friend, Heather's best friend, said, I felt so relieved, but I just felt like it wasn't enough because the way Tammy had this little smile and look on her face made me realize that I don't think she'll ever say what she did to Heather that night. I don't think she will either.

Nope. The family reaction, this is Debbie Elvis' mom. She says she knows where Heather is. She knows what happened to Heather. She needs to tell what happened to Heather. I agree. said she was a living a beautiful life before this woman took it from her and they said that hopefully this verdict will lead to more information which i don't know why you would give it up later i guess if she wants some attention later maybe i don't know you got it's all you can hope for yeah you've got time right now and if i tell what happened i'm

only going to get more time yeah that's the problem um so tammy's reaction she said the state's evidence was wrong and several times discussed the hardship she's endured over the last five years and also told her shifted the blame to her attorneys she said i never felt comfortable with him that attorney okay yeah that's fucking amazing here um so that's a morgan the sister says years later, they're still holding her hostage. They stole her life and they ruined ours. That's tough, man. That's tough.

So 2018, the father here, Terry, says we're not giving up. He said, oh, we're still looking for her and everything else. Everything else takes a backseat. It really does for five years now. He said life does not go on. People around you, their life goes on, but you're still stuck. You're holding on to hope. Yeah.

I wouldn't say hope, but I would say. I mean, hope of finding some remains, anything. 2018. Remember, Sidney's only in there for 10. Yeah, a few years. He's up for parole. Really? He claims he worked to better himself while in prison, taking classes, participating in daily prayers.

And if given a do over a do over, he would never stall the investigation into the disappearance. OK. Yeah. Now, have Terry's Terry. Heather's father said, I don't think he's done his penance in prison yet. He has taken response. He hasn't taken responsibility for anything he's done. Right. And Morgan, the sister, told the board she believes Sidney once cared deeply for her sister. And that is no longer the case, as now he only cares about protecting himself.

He still spreads the same lies about the case, lies that Tammy repeated on the witness stand with Sidney and Tammy behind bars. The family hopes maybe we'll get some more truth about what happened. Terry says to the board, I don't think they're going to change anytime soon. I don't think so either. I think pretty safe bet. Yeah. Well, I think they're pretty well stuck in their ways and who they are. It seems like it by now.

Yeah. Feels like they got away with it, too. So, like, they have justification to be this way. No shit. I mean, 30 years sucks. I mean, that's a, I mean, sucks as far as if you weren't guilty. But I feel like they're, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's still not murder on your record.

So, Sidney said, I understand what I did was wrong. Any crime is not a small crime. To me, it's not. Meaning obstruction of justice is what yeah what'd you do that's what they're talking about yeah he said he's never been in trouble with the law outside of his obstruction charges then he spent three years on home confinement ahead of trial without any issue at all he said if i was given the chance there would be no issue with me ever again i am cool the board very quickly and unanimously says get the fuck back to prison right

now before we beat the shit out of you as a group that's not out of our sight that we wanted you to say yeah the fuck out of our sight right now um so the there are still kidnapping and conspiracy charges they could charge them with because it's a hung jury and in 2019 they go let's give it again let's try it yeah let's do it so that's it it was uh they said it was over 2 000 days since heather was missing wow and he's going there uh he's going for a conspiracy and kidnapping charge here yeah and um sydney moore this is the uh prosecution sydney moore and his wife tammy moore conspired planned and executed that plan to kidnap Heather Elvis. They described the theory of the crime, starting with them working together in a romantic affair.

They said that his wife dominated the relationship. He's handcuffed to the bed. She doesn't trust him enough to get up and pee in the middle of the night. That's his quote, literally. Yeah. To a jury. They talk about the the uh the pregnancy test um they said that the next day all of a sudden out of nowhere after l elvis disappears after we can't find elvis anymore that all of a sudden now sydney's no longer under tammy's rule now he's allowed to use a cell phone now he's texting people all this points he also went back to work by himself the next day oh this is the

first time in a month and a half she hadn't gone to work the day after she disappears yes and then they weren't even supposed to know about it yet that she had disappeared until later so the prosecutor said it's amazing it's a circumstance and you can't ignore it it's logic and common sense like honestly so he was in court and he's like listen um it was their their thing was he had no reason to kidnap her he said he had no way to make sure there was no physical evidence left behind such as blood in the truck or dna he had no motive to wish any harm on Ms. Elvis. They said the only reason why we're here is because county police are pressured by constant media coverage to make an arrest in the case.

So they rushed in their investigation. And the only suspects they cultivated were these two. Meanwhile, there's some crazy son of a bitch out there walking around, probably doing this again. Just just just abducting girls all over the place. Said they want to make the community feel safe and they want to say they got someone. We can't give justice to Heather Elvis by giving injustice to another citizen like Sidney Moore. There you go.

They bring Brianna in again. Brianna talks about the phone call. And she said the last thing I said was not to meet Sidney. Now there's new evidence. This is when this evidence first comes out. This is David DeMarino here. He said Sidney showed him a picture of Elvis on his phone in 2014. phone in 2014 yeah so a while later um she said she was he said that uh she was clearly not alive and there were scratches on her face oh so they said did you uh when he asked if after seeing the picture he expected the elvis family to see their daughter ever again he said no now the judge would not allow him or the prosecutors to speculate on whether she was alive or dead because it was a kidnapping trial, not a murder trial. They didn't want to muddy the waters there. So, yeah, DeMarino's testimony was not the only new evidence also. They also talked about the home security system.

next day after after it had been installed they said once the police finally got their surveillance footage what they saw was sydney washing the car and vacuuming it out like a lot he just worked that car over the next day yep and um they said the first trial they hadn't been allowed to use that footage but they got a guy put in this case and they felt like the judge just on the last time they said the judge just felt like look a, a lot of people washed their truck. It's a new truck. That's not going to be enough to get you there. I think that's mere suspicion. But they said when you look deeper into the video,

he's not just cleaning the truck, he's also burning the rags that he used afterwards. What? Do you do that? You clean your car out, then burn the rags? Burn the rags? What? Do you do that, Jimmy?

Because I've never done that personally i've never i wash them after a while and then i reuse them usually that's my i might be weird i don't know burn the rags that you washed the car with yeah burn them i have those microfiber things you know the chemical guys ones or whatever you don't want to touch those ever again man no no you want to burn them they turn to asbestos they turn it either that or they'll yeah they grow into like creatures that bite your dick in the night you gotta get rid of them you gotta burn them wow he burned the rags burn the rag wow holy shit um wow he said we would have never dreamed they would have done that knowing that that video surveillance camera was

there that was kind of like i felt the biggest mistake they had made. That's what the prosecution said. The defense alleged there was nothing out of the ordinary about burning things. Dude, it's fucking insane. They said the moorers and their neighbors usually regularly use burn piles. Oh, I'm sure they do. Yeah. So, you know, when they throw rags that they just wash their car out with.

Duh, who doesn't do that? Oh, my God. So they said another time for a video footage from surveillance system that they showed Tammy Moore and her sister Ashley searching the yard with mirrors. What are you doing searching the yard with mirrors? What? the yard with mirrors what when asked about the video her sister said that this is tammy's sister since here and her sister were always pulling weeds out of the garden and that she said i don't see it i don't know i don't see a mirror and they're like there's a fucking mirror she's like well i don't see it i don't know what you're talking what the hell would they be looking for with a mirror looking around the yard for weeds with a mirror that's That's the weirdest reason I've ever heard of.

That's so weird. They said her actions on tape were yet another damning piece of evidence. The things she said you couldn't reconcile with the evidence. So the defense said we simply could not trust the circumstances enough to say that we are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. This is ridiculous.

Obviously, you guys do your thing. Verdict comes in fucking guilty of everything we found it now he's guilty you sir may fuck off 30 years in prison on each of them just like the wife fuck take a hike shithead so on top of what he's already got i think it's concurrent to that but still it's 30 so 30 now yeah he's almost done with that yeah and uh 30 now 2023 just happened in july yeah sydney moore's defense team here is going for an appeal saying that the trial court erred in three ways that led to his conviction they denied a change of venue denied a motion for a directed verdict and qualified grant fredericks as an expert in

forensic video analysis they argued that the the kidnapping trial should have been moved to another county because of social media saturation which yeah if you're in the next county you don't get social media anymore it's like an antenna like old time tv like oh we're at we're out of we're out of the facebook area for them no more we don't get it it comes in fuzzy sometimes but you got to adjust the vertical hold 1015 just switched to mariachi music it's just well damn it my town's facebook feed just turned into a just mariachi music that's all it is now jesus christ um that is amazing so they said that uh they prejudicediced the public with this. In both Tammy and Sidney's appeals, they argued the trial court erred by not granting a motion for a directed verdict.

Their defense teams argued there was no direct or circumstantial evidence or substantial evidence that was circumstantial that the two kidnapped or conspired to kidnap her. They said that to appease Tammy's anger about the affair and to avoid any negative consequences of a victim's pregnancy is what the prosecution is saying here. Now, the appeals court said that the trial court was within its right to admit all of this and especially the video testimony. and a vast experience with forensic video analysis, as well as the facts that his report and conclusion in this case had been peer-reviewed by another certified forensic video examiner, and his headlight spread analysis was a peer-reviewed technique. So, they also said the admission of sexually explicit text messages were unduly prejudicial. Yeah, those are no fun. And they said, no, that showed motive. Sorry.

That's it. Although the trial court chastised the state for putting salty materials that were pretty prejudicial that did get into the defendant's character into evidence, it denied the motion for mistrial. They said that Tammy's own testimony

included gratuitous and vulgar descriptions of sexual acts. So she said it on the stand. This isn't going to, we didn't, she didn't go up there and say, I'm a nun and I don't do anything. And then we brought in these texts and it broke her whole character.

So, um, they said, um, uh, the appeals court confirms, affirms, I'm sorry,

both of the convictions, no appeal, fuck off back to jail. According to the Department of Corrections, Sidney Moorer has a projected release date of March 31, 2044, and Sidney has a projected release date of May 9, 2043. Really? They're in there for a while.

That is Succasti, Succasti, Succasti, whatever. Suc. That is Sucasti, Sucasti, Sucasti, whatever. Sucasti. Sucasti. Sucasti. Some place near fucking Myrtle Beach in South Carolina. Sucretts, South Carolina. Sucretts, Suffering Succotash, South Carolina. If you enjoyed that like we hope you did because that's a crazy fucking story,

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mean there's so much to talk about everybody can talk about this because this is fucking crazy and they need to find this i think she's under concrete somewhere yeah uh or weighted with concrete or one way or another she is gone i mean near the boat landing is a strange place that says something to me there it's a fat but i don't think he would leave her there near the car i think it's not deep enough water too and four minutes four phone calls right in a row uh and then her phone is shut off or dead or whatever that's bad that's that's definitely fucking bad so do that review us head over to uh do social media too we are at small town murder on instagram at murder small on twitter at small town pot on facebook so do all of that and follow us and get up to date with everything because very soon here

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