Small Town Murder - #470 - Friday The 13th - Panhandle, Texas

Episode Date: March 2, 2024

This week, in Panhandle, Texas, a young man, who idolizes Ted Bundy, Jack The Ripper & Charles Manson, decides that Friday the 13th is the perfect time to go out on a blood thirsty spree, before reciting a satanic incantation, then ending his own life. Only, he can't remember the incantation, so he just confesses to a horrible night of brutality, that leaves the innocent dead, or scarred, and a small town, freaking out over satanists, hunting blond children!!Along the way, we find out that the best way to dispose of a car, is to bury the front end in the ground, that some people can't tell the difference between movies & reality, and that you should ALWAYS write down your satanic suicide incantation, just in case you need it!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's do this, everybody. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we? All loaded. Yeah, may as well. We are going all the way down to Texas this week. Oh, boy. To the town of Panhandle texas

so we've come full circle here oh boy it took 470 episodes to actually get to a town called panhandle it goddamn exists when there's plenty of people walking around with panhandle behavior t-shirts because that's a thing we always talked about is a lot of our stories took place in weird panhandles of states fascinating we called it panhandle behavior well this is and the pan handle just houses all the fuckery it just seems to yeah we had we used to say get out of the handle get into the pan get out of there it's just it's too much out we used to say and this must be like the you know the center of it all like the chewy nougaty center of the entire panhandle industry here, is Panhandle, Texas. Hilarious.

Unsurprisingly, it is in the Texas panhandle. Right. As you might imagine. It'd be weird if it was just outside of Dallas. That would be a strange name for it. I've heard that the people of Texas frown on everyone in the panhandle. Well, if you've driven on the 40 through the panhandle, you go, what the fuck is happening? You do.

You're like, what is going on? You're passing through these ghost towns, and then Amarillo looks like it's from another decade for sure. It's very strange that that is the panhandle and not the area that looks like, you know, a panhandle. That you would hold it. Yeah. Right. No, it's up there. It's the stove top hat.

Stove pipe? I don't know. Oklahoma is on top of their panhandle. So you keep all your panhandles together is how it works. Like in your cabinets. You stack your pans. It's about a half hour or a little more to Amarillo. So it's just outside of Amarillo.

Think about that. Yikes. Middle of nowhere that is. Because when you're driving through there, there's nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Amarillo, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. That's all that's there. It's seven and a half hours to Austin. Jesus Christ.

And nine hours to Atascosita, which was our last Texas episode, which was episode 425, Strange Morals, Stranger Sexual Needs. That dude was weird. He was into poop, and it was weird. Population of this town, 2,686 panhandlers. Very small, yeah. Panhandle around this joint, I suppose. Panhandling, yeah.

Median household income here is actually above the national average, 76,481 roughnecks or some shit what are they doing i don't know they're making money there's farming that goes on here still and stuff like that also oil industry yeah there's a petroleum processing near here uh median house medium home median home price though In-home price, though, get that out of my mouth, is very reasonable for that. It is $159,100. Shit. It's not even twice the income, which is not bad. Right. They're doing fantastic.

The motto of this town, people of pride and purpose. Oh, boy. Which sounds like an old movie or something. Panhandlers of pride and purpose and panhandlery uh it was originally not named panhandle originally named carson city which is oh whoops capital of nevada that didn't work out very well uh so they changed it to panhandle city which sounds even worse than panhandle somehow. Panhandle City. That feels like you're selling them.

Yeah, Panhandle City. Come on down, everybody. It just sounds like a mess. 50% off down here at Panhandle City. We ain't got no pans, but we got handles for any pan you can imagine right here. We got handles for days. Bring your pan and match them up. That's their slogan.

bring your pan and match them up that's their slogan they got a post office in 1887 and in 1888 they planned this town because the railroad was coming through it was a real blazing saddles situation i'm sure they had a bank and a wagon yard and a store and a newspaper three saloons though you had to have one store three saloons, though. You had to have one store, three saloons. And, yeah, it became the county seat. Big scandal here, though. In 1897, George E. Morrison, who was the preacher at the Methodist Episcopal Church, poisoned his wife, Minnie, with strychnine-laced apple so that he could marry his mistress, some lady from Topeka, Kansas. George. And they found out? And they found out about the whole scandal.

I mean, this is not an uncommon scandal for preachers and people of the like, politicians and whatever the fuck, but it's hilarious that back then they found out. It was a huge deal. Strychnine Apple? Is he fucking Walt Disney? You want to find out something even weirder. Nowadays, you'd just be like, oh oh that guy's a scumbag that's well i mean and also he's a murderer but they uh they sentenced him to die and he was he was hanged in will barger county texas here and his last words were jesus lover of my soul he should have thought of that when he was was

that her name i was gonna say when he was fucking somebody else. He wasn't thinking about Jesus. Not a bit. I mean, he was saying, oh God, a lot, but Jesus Christ, sir. He was like, put that ass in the air.

Oh God. Reviews of this town, five stars. Panhandle, Texas is a wonderful country area where there's a lot of farms. It's wonderful seeing the country life around me. Panhandle texas is a wonderful country area where there's a lot of farms it's wonderful seeing the country life around me panhandle itself is very small so it's easy to find whatever's needed

seems like it would be harder if it's that small i guess there's not a lot of choices so you go to the store if you want something you get yeah i'll throw a fit if you like simple uncomplicated life come on come on into town it's Come on. Come on into town. It's dot, dot, dot. Come on into town, which sounds like a challenge for a gunfight. Yes, it is. In this town. Dare you. Holy shit.

Two stars. Here we go. Two stars. Panhandle is honestly not for me. Okay. All the adults have a collective idea that they are equal to each other, but all they do is people behind their backs yeah it's called small towns do you see what she was doing yeah people gossip the smaller the group the bigger the more the gossip yeah all of the kids are either bullies druggies abused by their parents who have a corrupt sense of discipline the only nice kids

are the ones who are getting barked at, beat, bullied, or chased by the cops for being high all the time. The high kids are nice. The high kids are nice. Yeah, they have little needs, the high kids. Too stoned to fight back. Throw a sandwich at them. They can be placated. Being bullied.

This place is honestly awful. If you're able to avoid this town, do it. The only way to survive here is to convince all the adults that you're perfect. And then all caps, HATE THIS TOWN. I don't know if they're saying they hate the town or they're telling you, hate this town. I want you to do it. Either one here. Then finally, one star, WORST TOWN I'VE EVER LIVED IN.

If you have a writing talent or a music talent, it is probably best if you move on because these bigots will falsely accuse you of taking pictures of their kids and being a pervert. What? What? What are you talking about? What were you doing? Hiding behind bushes? That's what I mean. This is a beef that this guy has that is very.

It's not like everyone's like like i can't even take pictures of people's fucking kids now jesus no one's trying to do that except for you i just want to sing songs about your babies whoa this town has really went downhill since lyle denny died i have no idea and chief sace or s or Sase is the biggest hypocrite ever, dipping that snuff and pretending to be a family man. Oh, brother. What? This is some real local beefs here.

I want to know everything about this. Just airing it out. We're going to go do a special investigative report on what's going on with this fucking review. Is he taking pictures of people? What's up with Chief? Who is that? The nicest people actually don't live in the town coincidence i think not avoid this town like the plague the plague okay uh oh boy that is awesome i really

want to get deep this is why your stupid opinions is great too because we can delve deep into that because right now i got a lot to say. I know you do, too. We got to get some fucking flights booked and get there. I got to get there. And start asking some fucking questions. We need to know what's up with it. Yeah. Who is this guy taking pictures?

They're going to go, oh, we know about him. Yeah. That's the picture taking pervert. Yeah. Where's Chief Saatchi with his fucking lip full of dip? Yeah. Let's talk to you. Things to do.

Really only one. The VW Slug Bug Ranch. Oh, is that here? Yeah. That's where there's VW bugs stuck in the ground at 45 degree angles. Because they couldn't afford Cadillacs. Yeah. So they just stuck them in the ground. And you go there.

There's nothing to do. There's no bands or food. You just go there and look at cars stuck in the ground. See the bugs. And go, wow, look at that. That's all. Look at that. Hitler would be furious.

Yeah, this is terrible. That's hilarious. Speaking of Hitler, let's talk about a murder here. All right. Let's talk about some murder. And I say that because the person we're going to talk about right away. Let's go to 1990 here. Kenneth Glenn Milner, M-I-l-n-e-r-n-e-r he's born

april 20th 1971 so he's born on hitler's birthday so there you go that was weird that's why i was like speaking of hitler this is a great segue that's fucking amazing you don't get to segue with hitler or very often that's the thing and i gotta fund this show let's be realistic here i don't know if it comes across but i gotta find a lot of segues from shit into shit it's not easy to come up with on the fly here it's a think about think about if you're telling a murder story and you got a segue between this and this and something and something it's fucking hard you made it easy right there my friend thank you thank god every time i see a volkswagen i go oh that's hitler's favorite yeah well there you go and it just rolled right into this young man here unbelievable kenneth glenn

millner born april 20th 1971 so in 1990s about 19 years old we'll talk to him he is and we've this has come up on episodes before but i feel like he is the kid that Skid Row wrote 18 and Life about. Like he's that kid. He's just Ricky was a young boy. Hell yeah. Fucking that's it here. He has two sisters. By the time he's 19, he's described by somebody as a handsome 19-year-old

who inspired loyalty among his few friends. Few friends? Few friends. He's got a little crew, and they follow him around like he's fucking something special. Yeah. And he's a dipshit, as we'll talk about. Got it. His parents are Kenneth Wayne, so same first name, different middle name.

Yeah. It doesn't matter, because he goes by Indian. Indian Milner is his dad. That's his name. It was in his obituary, it was really kenneth wayne indian milner that was it everyone old indian came was born here and is he or is he not no he's just they call them that what the fuck he got kind of dark in the sun and they were like indian it used to be engine and then they were like let's be you know let's get up with

the times at least that was 1971 let's be a little more sensitive around here yeah um they him and his wife and and kenneth jr there whatever uh his ricky we'll call him as from 18 and like his mom's name is shirley's Kenneth and Shirley are his parents. They run a bar just outside of Panhandle. Wow. Called Shirley's. That's tough people. Yeah.

You run a bar just outside Panhandle, Texas called Shirley's. There's some people getting thrown out of there boy belt buckles are flying how often does a pool skew get swung at somebody like a lot right shirley's heard a few of those snap and was like i just bought those god damn it she knows the sound the of a bar stool being pushed out when it fights about that she knows. She knows that. She knows that's sad. It's in her blood. So Kenneth Jr. here, this, the young one, his friends say he's obsessed with death.

That's his main thing he likes. Really? Super into death here. A lot of teenagers get a little bit morbid and gothy. Weird, yeah. I knew friends that were in a you know weird shit they wanted to see the most craziest horror movies let's rent faces of death you know that guy that's a weird kid and they never turned out great for the most part a lot of those no it's about 75 percent then there's a normal one where you're like what do you do at night yeah those videos

too were like uh very interesting until you saw them like that yeah the thought of them was intriguing yeah the thought of them was intriguing yeah the thought i was like really there's gonna be like actual death oh i don't want to watch that then you see it and you're like oh no yeah this isn't what i thought it was at all this ain't this isn't right i'm not into that i have a deer that's been limping in my yard in my woods for a while and turns out i looked it up they they can do just fine and you know yeah there's no like predators in here for and oh that's good you know it's my woods no one's gonna shoot her so anyway it's limping around though i lose sleep sitting there thinking about this fucking deer like an idiot i get made

fun sarah makes fun of me not that she doesn't care but she cares too but i'm like he's out there yeah i'm literally like i'm crushed'll think about it for an hour sometimes. What if he's in pain right now? Yeah, I'll be depressed. What's wrong? I'm thinking about that deer right now. It's disturbing, dude. I got to stop. Go sprinkle a little Advil on your salt lick.

Yeah, on the corn we put out there for him. I'll put it in an apple. Open up a couple of those liquid gels and just drizzle it. Yeah, maybe I could do that. Poor guy. i feel so bad for him so anyway this guy though obsessed with death um he loves to watch horror movies and shit like that it's the 80s too i mean that was the there's tons of kids with a metallica t-shirt on watching horror movies in the 80s and those hard the horror movies then were so fucking campy

and stupid yeah like the graphics of them the the, sure, I mean, at the time, it probably was shocking to see like the bloody faces and such, but none of it looks real. Not one bit of it. You only watch those movies, because I had no kids that were really into them, you only watch those movies for the special effects of the kill. Right. You're going, oh, that's how they killed that guy, and the knife came through here. That's the only reason why they watched them they weren't plot heavy they were

just you know and six kids in a camp none of it was interesting it was like oh jesus there's usually two instances of boobs and then yeah hopefully some like oh the head came off that's pretty cool or you know what i mean that's what it was yeah i hated when the chick was like riding a dude and like her tits are out and you're looking at those going oh those are cool and then she gets stabbed you're like you're ruining tits for me what about the poor kid who was whacking it while that happened right you know somebody somebody rented that was whacking away as soon as tits came out and then fucking ah then they now they're fucked sexually for their whole life and i've imagined that what if they came right when it happened by accident like it was happening imagine that

imagine that really did happen to you that you were in the woods banging a chick she's on top of you and all you see is a machete come through her chest i would hate tits forever i'd never fuck ever again never like tits again ever damn it nope you split them in half and now i hate it i would go to men because then you know with a if it was that, if you were having sex with a man that way, you could see everything around you while they're bent over. So it's a different thing. You have a better view of the land. I'd be all about survival at that point. So he would spend, he also would read tons of books about Satan.

That was his, he loved to read books about Satan. And he liked to create special effects of his own like they were he tried to replicate slasher movie special effects which is fine you could either be a weirdo or you might end up being tom savini you know what i mean like that's a that's a that's a thing that's an artistic yeah thing to do people that do that had to be fascinated with it otherwise they wouldn't be making such amazing things like tom savini was a a war photographer for in vietnam that's how he knew how to make everything yeah that's why people go wow it's amazing the way he can make insides look like they're because he's literally seen that because he's seen it that's why literally

he smelled them he recreated what he saw in Vietnam. So wounds that were horrible. And that's disturbing. Got to live that over and over. Truly. His friend Katrina, an 18-year-old who lived next door to him for 14 years, said he knew every horror movie by heart. He would make masks of characters in the horror movies, grotesque masks, like with blood and an eyeball hanging out. Jesus Christ.

And she said, I knew that he hated God, she said. Wasn't into God at all. She said, I knew that because when I would go to church and talk about it, he would say, don't mention God around me. Oh, for heaven's sake. He's one of those. His best friend is Craig Shackelford, who was 16, so he's three years younger. That tells you a lot right there.

Yeah, at that age. Yeah, he likes to have control over somebody. He said that Kenneth would frequently discuss creating an illusion of shooting a person through the mouth, like an effect he wanted to do. He would attach, Milner would attach, low-power plastic explosives. Oh, wow. So he's making explosives to the back of someone's head, sticking a gun in their mouth and simultaneously pulling the trigger and setting off the explosives to make it look like the person's been shot. That's his idea for an effect.

Yeah, I mean, how else do you do it? explosives to make it look like the person's been shot. That's his idea for an effect. But he's got locked up. How else do you do it? His friend Shackleford there said he wanted to know what that would look like. Yeah, okay. Shackleford said Milner, he just needed the internet because he could have seen all any weird shit he wanted to say. He said that Milner had a twisted sense of humor and liked to scare the hell out of people. That was his thing.

He liked to freak people out. We all know that kid growing up, the kids who liked to do that. They said that his bedroom was all sorts of posters from horror movies. That's all it was. The room also contained a clay corpse that he made to test special effects on. So that's, I mean, I guess you would make that if you were going to have that, but seems creepy. And a cast of his own head that he made as well that he covered up with a demon mask over there in the corner. Okay.

That's interesting here. Yeah, that's interesting. Later on, his friend will say, quote, Glenn wasn't normal. He goes by Glenn Milner. Glenn wasn't normal, but I don't think he was a Satanist either. Glenn read the Bible from cover to cover, his friend said. He read other books, too, like the Necronomicon and stuff about astral projection. He didn't know what to believe, so he would explore well that's fine you can read whatever you want yeah the what the necromicon necronomicon have you ever seen evil dead no no you never saw evil dead or evil dead too uh necronomicon the book of the dead it's just oh that's all it is shit like that say yeah dark you know like the handbook for the recently deceased exactly spells and shit in the neck you know that kind of stuff yeah so it's stuff that you if you're a gothy teenager you might pick it

up and read it and whatever and go oh that's interesting shackleford also said that he had heroes milner though he wasn't a okay he wasn't a man who was his own hero so that's good yeah his heroes were ted bundy charles manson and most of all though above all jack the ripper that was the guy for him okay loved him he said quote glenn admired jack the ripper because he was never caught so glenn goes for results he does he's like bundy higher body count yes but fucking death penalty blew it blew it yeah idiot in the end the guy who gets away with it you know that's the guy i guess you're friends of bundy escaped though several times several times yeah but then in the end though didn't work out for bundy or jack the

ripper he's like a ghost man that's the time i think he's looking at it they said that he was a well-behaved student through grade school, but in high school, things change. Which, yeah, when your hormones completely change, things change. They said he showed signs of depression. One of his teachers said he started to drink more, and sometimes when he would get angry, he would slice up his arms with a knife. That's more than depressed. That's more than depressed. That's another, that's another that's something he

would drink more he's a child yeah drink more why does the teacher know that i mean he'd drink more i mean you know over here in panhandle all the kids are drinking obviously i mean but you know drinking more we said that's enough of that shit i don't think so. Wow. In 1988, in the spring, so he was about 17, he climbed to the top of a water tower in town, the town water tower, panhandle written on it, and threatened to jump off. Oh, boy. For attention, obviously, because everybody came and the police talked him down. That's what happened here. A few months later, he was driving by himself, and his car ran over a cliff at Palo Duro Canyon.

Okay. And he was treated for his injuries, and then he was placed in psychiatric care at Northwest Texas Hospital in Amarillo. This wasn't a cliff you could drive off of by accident, put it that way. Really? This is a cliff you have to want to drive off of. It's one of the, yeah. This isn't like. Roman Louise style.

Yeah, this isn't the edge of the mountain in The Shining that you're going to fall off of it's one of the yeah this isn't like louise style this yeah this isn't the edge of the the mountain in the shining but you're gonna right fall off of or something not going up like to a mountain top town in the swiss alps this is just the side of the pch in the mountains this is actually like you're not supposed to be here you gotta turn it and gun it with elma and louise that shit if you want to get off this fucking cliff i think so then he got injured in it he was injured yeah he jumped off a cliff in a car he can't do that that's not normal it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky and part comedy the stories we cover are well researched he claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people,

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He'll write this. We know this because it's the day before something very big happened. Milner wrote, quote, your wisdom and advice have helped me out many times. Wish it could on the problem that I face now. Wish I could tell you, but you'll find out sooner or later. That's a yearbook signing. What the fuck? What happened to have fun this summer? What the fuck was that?

Where's that? Stay cool. Don't change. Good luck next year. What are we talking about here? Oh my god. Boy, Mrs. Columbo was a real fat ass, wasn't she? You know what I mean? Talk shit about a teacher. This is fucking ridiculous ridiculous he signed it glenn signed it damien um misspelling it d-a-m-i-o-n like old dominion like old old damien um shackleford said he liked people to call him

damien he liked people to take a step back when he introduced himself as Damien. Okay. Because in Panhandle in the 80s, that was still like, ooh, from the omen. Ooh, look at this guy. Now a ton of people are named Damien. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. So Friday, July 13th, 1990.

Oh, Friday the 13th. Friday the 13th, and that does have significance here for him. Of course it does. Of course it does. There's a girl named Lori McCoy. She's close friends with Frankie Garcia. Now, Frankie Garcia is a 17 year old and he's kind of a shy kid. She said about him, Lori McCoy said, quote, he was pretty shy, but very sweet natured. And he smiled all the time. He he's friendly i think he was voted most friendly in our eighth grade class they did that in the eighth grade most friendly yeah from seventh grade you start getting yearbooks and they you know it'll happen here fucking make everybody

most something yeah so glenn milner and garcia are not like buddies or close friends or anything um one friend who knew both of them said, Frankie really got on Glenn's nerves. Frankie tried really hard to be everybody's friend. So he sounds like Nermal, basically. He's a sweet kid. Yeah, and this Glenn is like, ugh, with this bright energy, get away from me.

So Milner invites Frankie Garcia out to hang out on friday the 13th here okay garcia talked to shackleford you know uh milner's best friend and said that he was a little skeptical about the whole thing why does he want to hang out with me um shackleford quoting garcia said quote garcia said quote gl Glenn doesn't even like me, does he? Um, then he said he just wants to take me out and pull a prank on me and scare the hell out of me probably. So yeah, he said this was on Friday the 13th. He's like, should I go? And he's like, I mean, I don't know.

Yeah, I guess so. Um, yeah. So they get to a barn that's out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. That's where they're going to go hang out. He tells Frankie. Glenn tells Frankie, there's a bunch of beer in this barn. So let's go hang out.

There's a bunch of beer. It's awesome. It's going to be great. Now, this isn't really a real nice barn. It's a dilapidated barn that's near a deserted old shack. And all the local teenagers call it the haunted house so that's where he's taking him to drink a place with some lore just the two of us you know what i mean can't find a field or some shit inside of that haunted house and some bud light some bud

light yeah now there is multiple there's different takes on this. Some people have said there was a pentagram drawn on the floor, that Milner had drawn a pentagram on the floor. Some people say there wasn't. So that's one of these we're not sure. But we are sure of this. These two get inside the barn. Milner hits Garcia right away, knocks him down, him. Tells him to get down on his knees. So Garcia's down on his knees.

Milner then takes out a rifle that he has had hidden in the barn for this very occasion. What? Yeah, he's got all this prepared. That's why I believe the pentagram stuff might be true because we know he was here before planting stuff and preparing the area. He's got a gun there he tells frankie garcia to put the barrel of this rifle in his mouth put it in his mouth and glenn will say this quote he grabbed hold of the barrel and i said now put it in your mouth and we just sat and i kind of made him beg a little bit and then i just shot him what yeah for no reason for nothing nothing made him beg had him down there and just shot him but he picks a person yeah they and they said to him what did

garcia say anything because he was an innocent person that would go along with it. That's what it was. Yeah. And Glenn said he said, please, please don't do this. Yeah. And then I bet this he said this. This is his way of like mitigating it for himself. Glenn said once I made sure it was quick. The only time he suffered was when he was scared. Dude, what the fuck? Yeah. He's like, you know, I was quick the only time he suffered was when he was scared dude what the fuck yeah he's like you know it was quick don't worry about so that's you know it's it's not even a murder at

that point yeah yeah that's basically like you know squashing a mosquito on your arm you made it quick it's fine no no reason no reason um then he said at that point he also said he before he pulled the trigger he recited an incantation of some kind okay telling the uh later on he will tell the police that it was some kind of ceremony for a secret religious belief that he had that he did not want to share with them okay what does that mean and they said well why frankie garcia why him why There's a ton of kids around here. He said, well, I needed a virgin. Okay.

Yeah, I need a virgin now. He said that yes, he does worship the devil but I will not be specific about my religious beliefs. So, later when Garcia was found, they could tell by the prints in the dirt floor that he had been brought down to his knees.

It was a.223 caliber rifle, by the way. That's a fucking AR, bud. Yeah, that's what I mean. Jesus. I wanted to be very accurate with it. It's a big fucking. It's a destruction weapon. Yeah, this is not your typical target shooting.

Oh, man, he now knows what it looks like. It went right the fuck through that poor kid. That's what he wanted to see. Yeah, if he shot him with a.22, it wouldn't have done that. You know what I mean? So, yep, that's what he wanted to do. It's fucking awful. But he doesn't just go and turn himself in or just go home and whatever.

This is about 10 o'clock. He leaves Garcia in the barn with his brains blown out. About a half hour later, Shackleford and another friend, Ron, notice Milner driving his car out of town. They get his attention. They get him to stop. And Shackleford said, hey, what you up to, bud? And Milner responded, quote, I just got done taking care of some business i've got to go take care of some more oh no how ominous is that yeah coming from this fucking guy

right like that's a lot we're aware of what that means shackleford's not so milner then goes to Lake McClellan, where he knew a large birthday party was being held. No fucking way. Okay. He'll later say, my intention was to, I guess, rack up a body count. Oh, my God. But before I did, I had taken like eight Viverin, which I don't think those are legal anymore. Those are caffeine pills that were on the market. Those were truckers, legal over-the-counter trucker speed of the 80s and 90s that, you know.

Probably like extra strength no-dose. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's not legal now. Right. Probably, I'm sure, meth in it or something. He took shitloads of that and then went to a birthday party with his gun, I imagine. He said, and I hadn't eaten anything since like 9 o'clock that morning. But he is on a shitload of of that and then went to a birthday party with his gun i imagine he said and i hadn't eaten anything since like nine o'clock that morning but he is on a shitload of ivorin so a bunch of caffeine pills and an empty stomach is not great no he's shaky he said since i didn't

have anything in my stomach i was real jittery and i was kind of sick and so nothing i could do i couldn't catch anyone alone or anything like that. So he stayed at this party for 30 to 45 minutes trying to figure out how to kill people. And then decided he was too jittery to do it. And so he just left the party. Those people have no idea how fucking lucky they are. Yeah. No idea.

Vibrant. Maybe they should sell that shit. Maybe sell it more. Yeah. You planning on killing people? Take about eight of these. But don't't drink don't eat anything all day so then he drives to groom which is another town that's where he encounters jimmy britain b-i-r-r-b-r-i-t-t-e-n jimmy britain was the stepfather of a girl that he used to go out with okay that's his ex-girlfriend's stepfather not even real father okay um he

knocks on the door and tells we went to the house went to the house and jimmy britain is answers the door yeah and he says um a friend of mine had a wreck and i need to use the phone my car my friend's car is fucked up we were driving and i need to use the phone so this britain guy recognizes him as his girlfriend's ex-boyfriend and you know he's been in the house before and stuff so he goes yeah sure come on and use the phone this is his stepdaughter's ex-girlfriend the stepdaughter's ex-boyfriend yeah so as soon as he gets inside the house instead of using the phone he pulls out a straight razor does glenn and he starts fighting with jimmy britain using this razor to slash the fuck out of him okay he slashes jimmy britain's throat

and arms with a straight razor fucks him up okay yeah during this by the way his ex-girlfriend is there witnessing this is her ex-boyfriend coming in. They haven't even spoken. It's not like they've been fighting or beefing or something. He's just here to borrow a phone. Just here to use the phone. Glenn Milner, I guess it's the Vibrant on an empty stomach. The Vibrant saved multiple lives now.

He starts throwing up during this. I guess all this movement in the course of doing this. Shaking his belly around, yeah. He starts throwing up while he's trying to fight this guy with a razor. Now, if you've ever been in a fight, you know throwing up in the middle of it is not a great strategy for winning. That'll make you bend over. Yeah, it might make someone take two steps back for a second

just to not get it on their shoes. But then you're in trouble. After that, you're going to be pretty fucked. So then Jimmy Britton, even though his throat is slashed and his arms are slashed with a straight razor starts kicking his ass and fighting back wow because he's throwing up in his living room so he's a grown adult yeah so he ends up pushing him out the door britain throws glenn out the door and locks it he can't get back in now. Now he's out there. Foiled.

Foiled. Britain will eventually need over 200 stitches as a result of this. Oh, Lord. That is a lot of stitches. Wide open. Wide open. By the way, this is described as a 10 or 15-minute struggle. This is not a two-second, you come in, I slash you.

This is a fucking prolonged physical altercation yeah and um milner said that he was angry with jimmy britain because of stories the stepdaughter had told him about britain he was mean to her so you know i'll go over now stepdad yeah he was a stepdad so glenn's not done so he's all thrown he's all thrown up now he's all puked out yeah yeah this is the 18 and life song story here yeah that's what this is out of control he's out of control man he's on the edge of came from the edge of town the whole deal fucking he's a mess so i don't know what is what's his end game in this body count. Oh, boy.

I don't think he has an end plan. Well, he does, actually, as we'll talk about it, because he tries to do something. But he's too dumb to do it, as we'll talk about. So he drives now to somewhere else. He's like, OK, where's it going? I killed the kid from school who was a nice kid. Slash the fuck out of my ex's stepfather for no reason because he was mean to her or something. He's alive, but that's fine.

Where do I go now? I'm going to drive back to Panhandle, and I'm going to go knock on the door of the high school principal, Ken Williams. Wow. Ken Williams, high school principal of Panhandle High. Meanwhile, the police are certainly looking for him oh yeah yeah no after the britain thing yeah i mean cops are called and they know who he is they know exactly who he is what his address is what he drives i mean it's they know the fucking kid but it's not in time to get to here um so williams was previously a coach and teacher at another high school and was later be other principals at other schools. Now, when Williams asked Milner, what do you want after you open the door?

What can I do for you? Milner pulls out a 357 revolver from his pocket. Why does he have so many weapons? This guy's got it's fucking firepower too. These are big fucking guns. These are huge. And so the principal slams the door

and he shoots three times through the door, Glenn does. Bucks three shots off which will go right through a door,.357. Striking Williams in the leg and in the abdomen with.357. Got him twice. Got him twice.

Two out of three through the door. Third shot missed and went into a wall. Wow. So Glenn said, quote, I heard him screaming and I heard his wife screaming and I just walked back to my car, got in my car and drove down to Main Street. Now where's he going? So this guy, by the way williams was shot in the leg and chest and needed several months in the hospital to recover from these

injuries um milner said he was super pissed off at williams for several reasons is why he did this the most glaring thing this is really you gotta be careful who you piss off and because you never know what pisses people off here some kind of change in a school homecoming celebration to change the theme on him god damn it you don't you're 19 you don't even fucking go here anymore what do you care what the kids do for homecoming holy he's really searching for beefs it sounds like who am i mad at you know what that homecoming float sucked, I think. I'm shocked he knows where this principal lives. But I guess in a small town, you know where everybody lives.

You know where everybody lives, yeah. Fuck, that's the benefit of being a principal in a big city. No one knows where you are. I have no fucking idea where to exact that rage. You don't have to live right in that town. Yeah, you can hide under an assumed name. Poor principal here. he had 13 surgeries related to the shooting yeah because of the abdomen shit and he might need his hip and right knee replaced

also from this whole mess yeah he years later he was still in pain management and still on medication and pain kills and all that kind of shit he said he shot me through the door so i had 52 pieces of metal in me from the door he got shrapnel from the door because it blew out an exit a metal door yeah he blew out it blew out an exit wound on the door basically like you would on someone's back and sprayed him with shrapnel uh he said they still pop out from time to time oh what's that oh jesus his body's Oh, it's a piece of my door still. Yeah. Oh, this is fucking hell.

Years later, he said this. He said, and they lead to pinched nerves and other health problems. But I've learned to cope with it. Yikes. So about 2.30 or 3 o'clock in the morning now. Yeah. It's 1 a.m. He shot the principal.

Wow. in the morning now yeah it's 1 a.m he shot the principal wow so he now drove drives to main street and panhandle and find some teenagers in panhandle just out on main street that he knows at 2 30 in the morning the fucking tasty phrase yeah it is a friday night so i guess it's the uh it's dazed and confused basically driving around probably yeah and milner stops these are kids who go to panhandle high he stops and this is what he says quote i saw them and i said i just took care of your problem what and they were like what the fuck are you talking about weirdo guy who doesn't even go to high school with us anymore who's still hanging around what's up matthew mcconaughey what do you want you jerked me off without being near me because that's my only problem right now yeah he's basically mcconaughey and fucking in days

to confuse that's who he is so um he said that um milner then tells them i shot your principal and they said get the fuck out of here you didn't shoot your principal you didn't shoot the principal that's bullshit he's full of shit so he then pulls out his fucking 357 and shoots out his own car window to show them that he had a gun and he's willing to fucking shoot things shot his own car his own fucking car window out wow and glenn said they freaked out and got back into their car gee weird yeah strange they think you're a murderer um and i just drove off and went and parked at the police station i mean it may as well you're you're certainly going to get caught well that's not his plan though his plan isn't to get caught he said i was going to wait for

everyone to come and then i was going to shoot myself oh boy the plan was yeah the place got two bullets left in his 357 so he so he's like, hey, why not? But the reason why he didn't shoot himself, Jimmy? Why? I think he maybe said, oh, this is terrible. I should. No. No.

He couldn't remember the words to take me to incantation is his exact quote. I couldn't remember the words to take me to incantation. He needed to recite that to go where you need to go yeah to get to see what he wanted to see on the other side he couldn't he could imagine him going fuck when is google going to be invented this is this is what you had to do before the internet you had to sit in your car in a police station parking lot after you've murdered people and terrorize the whole town and try to remember an incantation this is bullshit you won't make it to juju land if you don't nope he said but you mean that in a uh juju yes thank you

a lot of people listen someone's gonna go hey what the what the fuck? Jimmy Wissman's a fucking anti-Semite. Calm down. I didn't say Jewish, Jewish land. Calm down, I said. It would have been even worse. It's Jew, Jew land. You know, up there where they run around. Everybody got curls and silly hats on.

With their candelabras and shit. That is. He said, I couldn't remember the words. That's why I sat there for so long. I was trying't remember the words that's why i sat there for so long i was trying to remember the words it was kind of embarrassing but i couldn't remember the words yeah it's your own shit yeah he said i was ready to move to the other side i don't belong here so he said i don't belong here yeah though i walked through the fuck. What is it? Jesus Christ. Yep. He had to recite them just prior to exiting this world so he could move on to the proper other side. So while he's trying to remember this, police arrive to the police station and say, hey, we'd love to have a chat with you, big guy.

Let's come on in here. So he sits down with them. This is the morning of july 14th and gives a 41 page statement just i mean all these quotes i gave you were from his statement let him have it he just doesn't give a fuck yeah he starts talking um he says that you know it's it's weird man this is uh texas ranger jim mull is talking to him. And it's an hour-long interview. So, I mean, it's just, here it is. It's not a lot of getting to know you.

He just was like, let me tell you what I did. A, B, C. So let's start with Frankie. What's up? So he talked about his desire to kill. And he regretted in this interview, he regretted that he couldn't kill more that night. He's like, I'm mad that I didn't kill more. He said, I'm not totally cold, but I don't have any feelings or remorse for any of this.

But I'm not totally cold. Yeah. Which I don't know, what are you? That's totally cold, isn't it? I was going to say, what are you warm about then? Yeah. If murder's not on your list of things to be feel sorry about he said that um uh he he said that friday the 13th was interesting he said that was a good day to do

this sure he said he received some kind of religious book on a previous friday the 13th and he thought maybe that was an omen so he should do it on friday the 13th yeah he says i lured frankie out to the barn um and here's an excerpt from the conversation with the ranger here. Okay. Yeah. The guy says, okay, let us know about the boy you shot. You picked him because you never really did like him and the fact that he was a virgin? Because he had already said that.

And Glenn answers, I just never did like him and the fact that he was a virgin and he was very gullible. It all helped. Yeah. They said, how did you know for a fact that he was a virgin? What if you made a mistake? Which is a very good question. Valid as fuck. That's a solid question.

Seems a bit judgy. Yeah. And then Glenn said, it was something I could sense. Oh, I could smell it. I could sense he's never been inside a vagina before. I can smell untouched. I just can tell. Yeah.

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wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts they said did the date friday the 13th have anything to do with it he said yes they said why why is it part of your religion he says no really it seemed an appropriate date to make a statement on okay statement they said what kind of statement were you trying to make he said just leave my mark on the world just leave a mark and it was six years to the day that i first discovered the book and he said, what book? Yeah. Braytel, son. Yeah. What book? And then he. Is it The Secret?

Yeah. He spit out a fucking big wad of chew after that. He said, my religious book, I guess you could say. Yeah. Really. The weird part is it was the Bridges of Madison County, which is really not what you expected out of this. That was the strangest part of the whole murder. So they said, does it have a name?

And he said, no, no name. Book without a title. Where do you find it? Anybody out there ever brought a book that didn't have a title? Nope. Go to the library and ask for that book. Yeah. This is just a section of just bound pages.

We don't know what they're about. With words on them and shit. He said, nope, no name. It was an old book that someone had given to me. It was on Friday the 13th, on a Friday the 13th that I had received six years ago when I was 13. Okay. So, yeah. So they said, so you killed this boy just to make a name for yourself and glenn said well yes he was symbolic he had a purpose they said symbolic of what this is a very

and this is a 1990 texas ranger with a lip full of snuff like yeah he's not going deep existentialism. I don't think he's read a lot of Nietzsche, probably. This guy's just like, boy, why'd you kill him? What the hell's wrong with you, boy? Every answer he gives requires seven questions. Seven more. You're a fucking asshole.

He just keeps opening up bigger things. And the cop's probably just like, so you just didn't want to try out for the football team? I don't understand. What are we talking about? Well, you'd have been a good receiver. What's the problem? Yeah, he could have got charisma.

He could have done it. So they said, symbolic of what? And Glenn said, the virginity. It was important in order to get through the rest to the end. Yeah, but you're here, man. Which prompts the end of what yeah that's the question he said well at the end when i died then i moved on to a higher plane of existence you know go beyond the door what i call go beyond the door oh god so the cop said was this just a personal thing

yeah he might have just well it just said boy i shook his head because that's what he's thinking are there more y'all yeah is mario just running around he said yes i mean some people like to go sailing yeah this is a hobby he said i always, this has been a desire. I've always just wanted to kill. You know, and they said, well, how long have you been wanting to do this? And he said, three, four years. My friend, you are really fucking yourself.

Wow. This guy is fascinating. They said, did you talk to anybody about it? He said, a few people. Who are they? The question now is any professional people doctors maybe your parents anybody that's what the guy asks which is a good question yeah ever tell them have you feel how you feel he said when i was in the pavilion which is the the mental hospital for driving his car off the fucking cliff two years ago i talked to my psychiatrist but i saw but someone I see, and the guy says, tell them this.

And he said, kind of, in a way. I just told them that I like serial killers, which our audience, there's plenty of people who are interested. There's a difference. Yeah, that phrasing is fascinating. And like are different things. I like finding out information about serial killers. Normal. I like them. Sick. he's like cool like like they're you know normal kids are with like you know people in bands and shit like he's he's like glenn danzig yeah yeah other kids are

like putting flannel shirts on being like this never mind is fucking great and this kid's like i just like serial killers i don't know i like them i like them he said in the eighth and ninth grades i did my reports on serial killers uh they said what is the serial killer that you like who's the serial killer that you like fuck it if he's talking let him talk um he said i guess ted bundy um the love bit killer was my favorite but my uh was my favorite and then jack the ripper and then i guess manson you're a real hack he's a hack yeah he doesn't even dig deep he couldn't even be like i mean we know a lot of serial killers we've talked about him this is very a and e my friend yeah he just saw shit in 1990. It wasn't even A&E. It was, you know, I saw something on Dateline or not even Dateline.

It's NBC. 60 Minutes. Some fucking 60 Minutes. I saw a 60 Minutes interview. Charlie Rose told me about some shit. With an ex-Manson girl on Meet the Press that morning. Tim Russert told me all about. Squeaky fucking frog.

Yeah. Then I guessed Manson. So they said, do you feel any kind of remorse about killing this boy frankie and he said no what no they said what about the principal mr miller mr williams no and they said you know he didn't die and glenn said yes i know and they said you told they told you that and he said yes they, and neither did the man Britain that you cut. And he said, yes. He said, so, so far, only got the one that died, Frankie.

His answer to this is fucking hilarious because this is, I feel like he'd be a decent employee. This is the thing. If you could get him to not kill anybody, he'd be a decent employee. You could get him to do things because his answer is, quote, I didn't do a job no you didn't he didn't try to blame others he didn't try to skirt the responsibility yeah he he said i didn't do a very good job i'll do better next time uh he then said that he really wants the death penalty for killing frankie he said um yeah he said he was hoping to have killed britain and williams if that makes it more deathy. You know, yeah.

He said that he has no remorse. He said, quote, I just want to move on. And that's why I want the death penalty. Yeah. They said at one point, anything else you want to talk about while you're here? Yeah. I mean, anything. Chit chatting.

Yeah. And he said, quote, no, just my parents. I didn't want to hurt them or anybody else. I mean, i'm not totally cold i have had a lot of girlfriends that i do love i love them a lot and i do feel love and i like to be loved it's just that i don't belong they're like oh okay well then what the fuck happened to you man go ahead and lock you on up here yeah yeah um his friends said that they also had in their possession uh a hit list of his of intended victims okay and a videotape detailing his motives

and plans and uh the police were subpoenaing that as well yeah so these simple panhandle folk freak the mother fuck out as you can imagine i believe it. They lose their fucking minds. Kids aren't allowed outside anymore. It's like everything. No, stay in here. One lady who has four children said, there's a fear that there are more Satanists out there. There are rumors that they're looking for blonde-haired, blue-eyed boys to sacrifice. This is just people talking down at Shirley's or whatever the fuck.

Probably not at Shirley's about this. But at other panhandle establishments, they're just sitting around. I hear they're looking for little blonde boys. Yeah. Whoever the Volkswagen Ranch is, they're talking about killing our favorites. Oh, my God. He's been bragging to people. Yep.

That's it. One of his friends said, he said that this is one of the teenagers he met on main street. He said that he shot Williams and then said, I finished off Frankie Garcia. Then he took a gun out and shot a hole through his own car window to prove to us. He was serious.

Yep. The prosecutor is in agreement with him on one thing. He would also like the death penalty for Glenn. That's the only thing they're in agreement with everything else they're miles apart on a lot of other shit i like the way you think on one topic yeah they're worlds apart like journey but otherwise they're here he said uh mr millner has indicated a strong desire to die and i intend to do all i i intend to do all i can to see his wishes are accommodated. I would enjoy to satisfy that for him. Yeah. Oh man. Um, the court appointed defense attorney

when talked to said, I just got the case. He said, I don't even know what's going on yet. Ask me nothing. He said at this time, I'm not really sure where it's all going to lead. That's not great. Um, as for the rumors of Satanism, the lawyer said, I don't think that's a guiding influence in his life, but I just don't know. I just got here. Yeah. Shackleford, his best friend says he doesn't really think Milner cares what happens to him. He said, I think he would have committed suicide eventually. I think he wants to die. I think the death penalty would probably please him. i mean yeah um so they're trying to figure out a motive and all they can come with is he took him to the haunted house

satan he's got horror film satan satan satan so that's it they're gonna try to west memphis three of these motherfucker this motherfucker quickly only this guy is very guilty yeah so they indict him on two counts of attempted capital murder and also murder as well, obviously, capital murder. The capital charges carry a higher penalty, including the death penalty or life sentences. And that's not good here, obviously, for him. But maybe it is because that's what he wants. So before they get to trial, though, early 1991 1991 everybody is shocked when he just decides to enter into a plea agreement oh he'll just say he did it he's going to plead out to this which

nobody nobody thought was going to happen here uh he pleads guilty to attempted cat two counts of attempted capital murder and to murder as well not good for him so the judge says you sir dipshit fucking weirdo may fuck off three lifetime prison sentences so lifetime life this life sentence is three times three yeah all together um i think the the murder is for no parole and the other two are life with parole because they're attempted murder okay it doesn't matter yeah yeah so when he is sentenced to all this this is creepy as fuck his surviving victims are there including mr principal williams and his wife after he's sentenced glenn milner turns to the principal points a finger at him and his wife, and said that he'll finish the job if he ever gets out of prison. I'm coming for you. How dare you fuck up that homecoming?

How angry are you over homecoming floats? What the fuck is happening? Wow. Wow. So he sits in jail now for 10 years. So he sits in jail now for 10 years. Then in 2000, he appeals and his murder conviction is set aside by the federal courts. How?

A technicality related to the construction of the plea agreement. They didn't do paperwork correctly. Why would you? Wrong things there. Do your fucking job. Now, the way this works is, too, this doesn't just this. If he's retried on the murder charge, this will be double jeopardy now. The way it works out normally, it doesn't work out like that. But this way, it was for some reason it went to the Supreme Court.

It's because of the plea. Yes. This eliminates Milner being punished for more than once for the same crime and reduces his prison sentence by at least 15 years. They said now he could be out, you know, as early as 2010. Williams, move. I would get the fuck out of the panhandle. So, yeah, it's double jeopardy. Nobody even questioned that.

Even the prosecutors are like, I guess it is here. jeopardy nobody nobody even questioned that that even the prosecutors are like i guess it is here so he will remain in prison for the assaults but he's no longer being punished he's no longer a murderer put it that way even though he said i took this kid said put this gun in your mouth made him beg for his life and then blew his fucking brains out not a murderer that is crazy yeah so uh jimmy britain is pretty pissed off about this i believe it yeah he said it's shocking that the court system would allow this to happen it's a pretty sorry court system when they let somebody off of a murder charge that they confess to fucking sorry sorry it's some sorry bullshit here he probably said some sorry shit and they were like it's the paper

let's this is 19 you know uh principal williams said he's very upset by the court ruling and i don't blame him yeah he said i think people need to understand that somewhere along the line this has got to stop the victims can't keep being victimized it never ends for people like me or the garcias or mr britain good people are still being victimized by this evil person absolutely uh remember mccoy the the girl there from the beginning his friend uh she said i was shocked if i could pick i don't know which charge they should have let go but i could not believe it was the murder charge i could say one out of three it's not going to be that one yeah this is texas for christ's sake that's fascinating that's what

i mean he and panhandle texas this isn't oh, that's what they do down in Houston. This is fucking they can't even do that with your own intestines here. Yeah. Look, there he goes. He said he she said he admitted it. I felt sad for the family and for the other victims. She said she didn't witness any of the violence, but she said of all the people. Why, Frankie? She doesn't understand it she said he was a virgin yeah no that's that's wild she said and all sorts of teenagers used to go to that barn that was the party barn the haunted house they go there to drink beer and finger each other yeah and he said that she said that's where people uh went to get scared and now it's even scarier i would think now you really get scared when you go there she said she began having nightmares after the funeral, after Frankie's funeral in her recurring dream. She said a deceased Frankie would appear and ask her to go to him with, go with him to the barn.

That is fucking creepy. Oh, good. That's you'll wake up screaming from that shit. Yeah. Um, she said, I guess I was replaying in my mind what I had read about Frankie's death.

In my dream, Glenn told Frankie to get on his knees and then he shot him execution style. I had to witness that so Frankie would have someone there with him. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. She said this dream and others involving Frankie continued for about four years. Just terrorized her for four years. Why didn't she? Oh, boy. oh boy that's bad man what do you do for that valium i think therapy lots of therapy and valium i think is the answer there yeah i'm

not a doctor don't get me wrong but drugs or booze something yeah something she said i still have a terror of guns beyond imagination because of my dreams. So she said about the dreams, because of those very vivid, horrific nightmares, I think they made me afraid of Glenn. I don't know if it's so much who he is or what he has become in my mind.

So, 2010, he's up for parole. Get out of here. Up for parole. But he has a bad year here. He is denied parole, and his mom, Shirley, dies in the same year. Oh, shit. So double whammy. Sorry, Shirley.

I feel bad for you. Fuck. 2015, he's up for parole again. But Principal Williams here is seriously doing an all-out assault to try to get him to not be able to come out of prison, which I don't blame the guy. I mean, told him if I ever get out, I'm coming for you. So he sends letters and gets tons of people to send letters to the parole board to say, please don't let this fucking lunatic out here. Um, then also William said, I'm going to speak face to face with the parole board this time. I can only speak to one of them and that one person will make his or her recommendation to the rest of the parole board

so um yeah he said that um this is what he said in this letter quote he put him in the middle of a pentagram and blew his brains out sacrificed him as a virgin to the devil he's a sociopath a perfect example it was very very planned. Yeah. Yeah. And he said also, Milner was in solitary confinement for a long time because he was such a fucking problem. Really? And he said that he found out that he's been in Gen Pop recently for the last couple of years. And the principal said, that's one step closer to getting out. He promised that he would finish the job on me if he ever got out.

That's kind of a scary deal. You bet. Yeah. He said, I just believe he's going to be kept in. on me if he ever got out. That's kind of a scary deal. You bet. Yeah. He said, I just believe he's going to be kept in. He doesn't need to get out. He's going to kill again. There's no doubt about it. Oh, sure.

For sure. This guy, I have no remorse at all. None. Wow. So they said the offender's files, this is the parole board, are sent to the respective board offices around the state. Everything is on file. Everything in the file is reviewed or considered there's a three-person panel board and they decide whether or not he qualifies williams said in his file that he has more than 250 letters opposing the release so people do there's nobody going you should just let him out it's fine it's all people

going fuck this um he also says quote we as victims keep going through it over and over i'm pretty dogged and i'm not going to give up i forgave him a long time ago but that doesn't mean i want him out of jail agreed um so he has denied parole in 2015 2018 his dad the old indian dies oh yeah indian dies so his parents are dead he's in prison and from what i could find he's still in prison so he didn't get out in 2020 either looks like they're doing them every five years which is like the most time they can take between them so he's doing they're doing him like that which is good we don't need him manson family member yeah because what the fuck we don't need this kid it's not the satanism or any of that

shit i don't care about that shit it's i don't have any remorse for killing it right this kid i love that he went on a crime spree and nobody knows who the fuck he is all that for nothing you fucking jerk this is gonna make me famous and nope well i mean now but it took this long yeah took 30 years for us to find out about you, you piece of shit. Almost 35 for us to notice you. So he's a loser and will remain in prison to lose more and more. Wow. Or in games of checkers and cards and anything else he does. He's just a fucking loser.

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