Small Town Murder - #472 - Evil Came To Play - Milledgeville, Georgia

Episode Date: March 9, 2024

This week, in Milledgeville, Georgia, a truly puzzling mystery unfolds when a woman is murdered, after spending a night partying in a hot tub with her boyfriend, and a friend of theirs. When one of the men blows his brains out, with police present, it falls on the other man, who was performing some strange form of CPR, and has a sexual choking fetish, that makes him look very guilty! Is he??Along the way, we find out that Milledgeville is real, that accordions aren't a good "jam session" instrument, and that when everyone else is dead, you just might get charged with murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yeah. Yeah, in central Georgia. About two hours outside of Atlanta. And I've heard of Milledgeville, too, for some reason. Goody Mob rapped about it a lot. That's where it came from. I'm like, where have I heard this town's name? Yeah.

I don't know what they're rapping about because there's not much going on here. They say N-word, it's real. That's what they say. Milledgeville, it's real that's what they say it's millageville it's real what i i imagine real porn there are 17 000 people here what's i don't know what's so real i don't know what's call silo about it it's it's the country man this is not real i mean we'll talk about it but we'll get into this here about two hours outside of atlanta,278 people. Median household income here is low. That's the thing, $36,053.

So just over half the national average. Median home price also low, $173,800. So also low there. Mottos, they have several mottos. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Capitals, columns columns and culture which what does that i feel like when you're doing ccc and it's and it's like in the out in georgia

you want it to be kkk possibly maybe i don't know i'm just kidding but seriously who the fuck knows and historic charm modern appeal is another one. And then finally, this is great. The First Lady of Georgia. All right. Milledgeville? Ah, the town is a lady tonight. That's right. My God.

Wow. Milledgeville. Is there a prison there? Tonight. No, there's a college there. There's all sorts of stuff. The Georgia Lunatic Asylum was built here. There you go. That's what it's about. It Georgia Lunatic Asylum was built here.

There you go. That's what it's about. It's a great name for any place. I'm going to name my next house the Georgia Lunatic Asylum, no matter where it is in the world. It could be in Poland. It's going to be the Georgia Lunatic Asylum. What year was that established that they put lunatic on it? 1842 was when it was finished being built.

Lunatic, it's now the Central State Hospital, or was later the Central State Hospital. This was the capital of Georgia for years. Really? Until after the Civil War. That's why it's the first First Lady. Then it was moved to Atlanta after that. So that's how that went. Four stars here. Let's do some reviews.

A few reviews of this town just to get a little tone of what we're talking about here. Reviews, four stars. I've lived here my entire life, and I love it. I know a face almost everywhere I go, and the lake is always fun to visit. There's not a lot to go on there. They know people, and the lake is nice. And they like water. Most lakes are nice, So there you go.

Three stars. I like the town. It is just very boring. Well, not according to the Goody Mob. Apparently it's... They said it's real. They said it's real. Real boring.

Here's two stars. This area doesn't do a lot of outside activities or anything else. Or inside activities. Or inside. That's a nothing. Okay. People sleep under inside or inside that's a nothing okay people sleep under their houses and that's all they do um here we go this is my favorite review maybe of all time we've ever done one star only one good neighbor constant fighting when it comes to the rest and threatening violence with weapons guns and pickaxes alike guns, and pickaxes alike. Guns and weapons? Pickaxes? Pickaxes are not weapons?

I guess not. Imagine your neighbors are coming at you with pickaxes. That seems fun. Overall, don't feel very safe here. Many run-down buildings around. There's not even one right behind my house. Or there's even one right behind my house. Stray animals and mean animals owned by neighbors.

Even the pets are bad. The strays are friendlier than the pets. That's not great. That's not good at all. Neighbors are also overly nosy, and when moving in, kept trying to get into the house by offering their help, and even when told everything was all right. Well, maybe they were friendly. Yeah. Maybe they were just like,

not really. We want to help you. We're trying to be neighborly. And you're like, get the fuck away from me. These people are trying to get in my house. You sound like a psychopath. I don't want to meet your animal.

Yeah. I don't want them coming in either, but still. No. The same people from adults to teens to little kids, mind you. And when they're outside,

we happen, we also happen to be be they seem to be always watching very unnerving and scary place i think this person i think this person's the problem yeah i'm not a big neighbor guy you know that but yeah your neighbors make eye contact with you and offer to help when you move in that doesn't mean they're evil if you didn't what is paranoid person watching they're always watching it's like the truman show in here i don't like it weird things to do lockdown and shackles uh a one-way seat to millageville i think that's about the state hospital maybe i think it's about

that's possible locking you up in the hospital yeah if you're a lunatic there you go that's for you yeah uh the deep roots Festival things to do here. It's back for its 21st edition. They have entertainment ranging from magicians to rock and roll. That's everything in between. Is there anything good in there? Well, magicians is basically a pile of shit. So everything from a pile of shit to rock bands they have there.

To rock band covers yeah pin the tail on the donkey to a bachman turner overdrive cover band that's what you got there uh-oh the lineup for 2000 this is for last year the scott little band gotta have them smoky jones and the three dollar pistols i don't think these are good bands. Well, yeah, we've never heard of them at all here. $3 pistols. Also, though, that's like kind of the free ones because they also have a Lake Country gymnastics team is going to do a presentation.

There's also Richard Martin is going to perform. I don't know. I don't know who that is. He's a longtime regional favorite. So, in other words, never got famous and he's old now. He's from Macon. Next up is head-turning, fiery and passionate performer Vanessa Collier. Head-turning, fire what?

Fiery and passionate performer. And then, Blues Traveler's there. Again, how many times have we run into Blues Traveler's there. Again, how many times have we run into Blues Traveler on this fucking show talking about this? They're in all these little festivals. They'll play anything, it seems like. They should open for us at this point,

I think, when we go on the road. It seems like John Popper just will take anything because he just doesn't want to stop singing. He's enjoying his life. I don't know. Maybe they love it. Beats the shit out of me. He's too talented to be doing these things. He is so... I watched him play a fucking brewery.

He's fucking great, that guy. He's amazing. He's an incredible musician, and the whole band was great. So good. And then they're like, let's go... Yeah, Vanessa Collier before it's coming on. We'll follow her. Yeah.

Okay. That said, let's talk about a murder, people. Let's do this. Let's do it. We'll go back to May of 2019 for this one. So not very far. This is a five-year thing here. And it is a weird one.

This is one of the strangest ones we've ever done, I'll just say, just because it's so hard to figure out what's going on here. Let's talk first about a woman named Marianne Shockley. She's 43 years old in 2019. She was, as according to the school, an academic professional associate in the Department of Entomology with the College of Agriculture and Environmental Sciences, just like you used to do. Yeah, that's that's how I met Jimmy. We were both academic professional associates in an entomology department. And then, you know, we hit it off and said, fuck, we're pretty funny. We should do something.

Let's do some stand up and then a podcast. Is that the the science of tasting Entenmann's? Because I'm I'm a doctor. I would. Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. What is entomology? I am a master. I'm actually I got a master's in drakeology from

their devil dogs so i got that going on too so perfect um she's a professor of entomology which is bugs entomology is insects so yeah and low-cost, almost free protein source to help feed people who have no food. What? Yes. You can make like bug paste protein things. You know, like we used to drop on like Ethiopia in the 90s or whatever. Yeah. They drop like peanut butter protein things that they would eat

and it would be like a heavy heavy protein and that's kind of what they're talking about making with bugs real yeah and they're like bugs are plentiful so we can do that but i would imagine the processing would probably cost a lot to do unless you just ate the bugs raw i guess just don't tell them i don't know man don't tell. Don't tell them they're eating fucking beetles. I think that's going to be difficult. I'm not eating a grub, man. I'm not doing it. Why is there antennae in here?

Is that a strange fucking peanut butter? I think I have some legs in my teeth. This isn't okay. What is that, a claw? What's going on? I got a wing in there. You still go for the old hearts and lungs, huh, Henry? My mother's making some sausage and peppers.

You want a wing, Henry? How about it? All right. So she's been married and divorced three times so far. And she has two children. She's one divorce away from me saying you're not allowed to do this anymore. I have a strict policy. You can get married and divorced three times

because a life is long and shit happens i get it you get married young then it doesn't work out and then you find but once you get divorced the fourth time you're off the market now you can date but you're no longer allowed to legally get married because you don't know what you're doing you can get on hinge and do it for free and for fun but you don't get to tie things together and no if you constantly run over children with your car eventually they take your license away you know what i'm saying you're just not good at this you can't do it i think that's what i'm getting at um yeah so yeah she was been married she's been divorced uh she's a college professor known as a renowned entomologist

she was known around campus as Doc Shock, because Shockley is her name. She's a doctor. Oh, great, yeah. Doc Shock, which is pretty cool. Yeah, it'd be nice. She should go on the radio with that. Doc Shock here for the 4 o'clock hour.

Detroit, can you hear me? That would be good, yeah. She'd be good. She said that edible insects were her jam. Here, there's a video of her eating insects and saying, quote, ants taste like citrus. Some grain state bugs taste like cinnamon. Oh, my. Now, as a small child, my aunt forced me to eat ants.

And I can tell you they don't taste like citrus. Yeah, I smushed some and smelled it and i will never eat it based on their smell she told me that the black ones were chocolate and the red ones were strawberry your sister your aunt cousin what is she my aunt but she's only nine years older than me or eight years older than me so it's like an older sister evil evil oh yeah yeah sweetest lady in the world so you've met her. Nicest person you're ever going to meet. That's the funny part. Oh, my God.

That one? Yeah. Sweet heart of a... She's the nicest person? How dare she turn into such a great person after telling a child? She tied my cousin Jesse up to a chair one time so tightly, gagged with bandanas and everything. I was like, holy...

She was like... It was like Reservoir Dogs. I was like, holy shit. She's a monster. It was crazy because she wanted to smoke in her closet and didn't want him bothering her. She tied him up. I walked up. I was like, oh, no.

I went out and told my grandma. We were like four. I went out and told my grandmother and she was out in the yard and I said, grandma, Lisa tied Jesse up. I'm going to go eat some cherry and chocolate eggs. Grandma said, get the hell out of here what are you telling me for my jimmy what the hell do i care blah blah blah leave me alone and i was like okay i'm gonna sprinkle these ants on my ice cream i gotta go do that ice cream yeah right so on my dandelion salad they're already in there that's I got. You ate dandelions and bugs? I did, yeah.

I fucking ate it. You're lucky to be alive, man. Yeah, this lady. We would have got along great, me and Marianne. Pass those red ones over here. I can eat some strawberry. I got vanilla ice cream. And what tastes like cinnamon?

Grain state? Grain state bugs. I don't know what those are. Grain state. What are they, beetles of some sort? I was thinking maybe like maggots or something. What? Like little worms or something.

I don't know. I have no idea. Oh, my God. I don't want to know. I don't want to know because I'm not going to eat it. That's the thing. I don't like mayonnaise. I'm not eating bugs.

You know what I mean? I have standards. She's out of her mind. I mean, yeah. But you can't have eggs maybe bugs will replace the egg if look if it'll fix this it's only damn anything maybe maybe we'll talk about it let's get into whatever fixes i love eggs get some ant recipes see what we got going on so marcus lillard is her boyfriend now we will call him mat call him Matthew about 100 times during the course of this episode, I'm sure.

Why will we do that? Because that's an actor. Oh, yeah. And Marcus Lillard, I've never heard of. But I've heard of Matthew Lillard, so you want to just say that. Yeah. He's 41 years old, so two years younger than her. It's weird.

They're kind of an odd couple because she's this doctor and this professor and known to be very intelligent and all this type of thing he's uh he sells cars oh this guy um he quit his job though right around this during this month may of 2019 he had quit his job a couple weeks before this he's been married and divorced twice ladies like this guy for some reason he gets he's got a he's got some way to hook the ladies he likes them um he said this is a quote from marcus quote somehow god continued to send women my way that were way too good for me and i would date him and i'd take him for granted one right after another and it was a steady pattern that's that's he just admitted to being an enormous piece of shit he's like i'm just a gigolo and everywhere i go people know the part i'm blitz that's what he said basically he's like

hi louis cream and david lee roth here nice to meet you drew down pimp of the year now his son who at the time was about 20 years old in 2019 said, quote, he's the most charismatic person I've ever met. I mean, he's just got this kind of aura about him that just sucks people in. Anywhere he wanted to go, there was a woman there that he could shack up with and stay with. So is he lying to them? He's a salesman.

He's a salesman. He just yes, this is a Ford Taurus and it's a gray Ford Taurus and it looks boring. But he doesn't tell you it's not a gray Ford Taurus. He just tells you how much that Ford Taurus would enhance your life and how great it would be for you. He sells it. It's what he does with himself. I'm not saying I'm, you know, I look like a professional athlete. I'm nothing, none of this shit.

But I'll knock the bottom out of that ass. Let's just say that. Yeah. So, now, they had met in the late 1990s, these two, Marianne and Marcus. They met in the late 1990s. They were both students at Georgia College in Milledgeville, and they worked at the same restaurant together. So they were, you know, became friends, but they didn't date back then. I think they were both married or one was married or whatever.

He said, quote, I was probably 17 and she would have been 20. I was a little, you know, little wormy guy. That's how he said it, little wormy guy at the time. As far as I've heard, she digs that. Yeah, but later on they ended up dating in 2017-ish, they'll hook up. Now, Marianne's daughter, she said, quote, I thought he was fine. I mean, nothing stood out to me to be irregular about him. Irregular, like a pair of pants at a TJ Maxx.

It didn't seem like he had one leg longer than the other. The right leg's an inch longer, but other than that, I didn't see anything. Oh, that's Marianne's younger sister, not her daughter. I'm sorry. I just said that. Her sister said that. Yeah, she went to the same college as those two, so she was around them back then. Now, the sister said, he dated one of my best friends and roommates at the time.

They didn't date for very long. She said she got a weird vibe from him. Now, Marcus says that drugs got in the way of college and he dropped out he just got into drugs and partying and all that kind of thing he said quote i just thought life was a party and i treated it as such yeah yeah and uh he continues to do that all the way at least up till 2015 because in 2015 he is convicted of selling marijuana and possessing methamphetamine and cocaine in his 30s he's a full-blown drug dealer oh yeah and he is sentenced to probation 15 years of probation as a matter of fact oh boy georgia goes hard yeah but he's he was lucky he didn't

end up in prison so he was happy to have the probation. It's one of those. So 2017 comes around. After all, that's cleared up. And Marcus says, I almost called him Matthew. I went so close. He said, I was on my motorcycle. We took a trip around Athens. We went to her home, away from home, the Botanical Gardens, talking about Marianne. Met up with her.

The motorcycle ride, I mean, that was, it's as romantic as you can get for a lunchtime on a Wednesday. So they just clicked at that point, hit it off, and started going out. He said, we spent every possible moment together on the weekends. And then it became more than that. She really liked having him around, so she brought him along as her assistant on trips to China and Ecuador to do bug stuff. Everybody knows those Ecuadorian bugs are delicious. They're known for it.

How romantic was that motorcycle ride? That must have been a hell of a motorcycle ride to get taken to other continents. Honestly. And we all know about the sweet and sour crickets of the delicious yeah crickets and broccoli yeah cricket lo mein is also a good one i enjoy the cockroach lo mein that i had it's very nice oh i mean so who knows i've eaten many terrible restaurants like i do i've probably eaten how many bugs have you honestly yeah last week we were talking about filiburto's.

We've eaten the carne asada burritos from Filiberto's. So many times. Who would know if there was bugs in there? There's no way I haven't. You just mash it in your face. You don't have any clue if there's bugs. It's a burrito. Even if you looked at it, it all looks like bugs.

It all looks like bugs, especially the little pieces of beef there. Yeah, they go sideways. Next to a cooked cockro a cooked cockroach. Same shit. I'm jamming it in my mouth. Don't even care. So Matt said that it was a serious relationship. He said, quote, we were super in love with each other.

Super in love, bro. Yeah. We were, though. Now, her sister, Marianne's sister, said said to me he was not relationship material he's somebody that you go have a good time with and then you send him on his way imagine if some dude's brother said that about some

chick she's like a chick you just plow a few times and send her on her way you'd be like what an asshole she's like yeah another friend said quote I didn't particularly care for him. I couldn't really put my finger on it, but I didn't like him. How many bad reviews is he going to get?

He's a one-star guy. His son also says he didn't like him either. That's the other thing. Really? Yeah. Your stupid opinions. He would be just a lot of one stars, but we'd be like, we're kind of true, so we shouldn't do this. He says, quote, nobody knows a father better than their own son.

And he had also warned Marianne that his father had a Jekyll and Hyde personality and was on drugs all the time. So be careful. You seem like a nice lady. So I'm telling you this basically. Carson, that's the son, said he was on cocaine my whole life. Yikes. He cautioned her to be careful he said

quote you're angry or he's angry and he's violent and you're gonna see it if i could tell you anything it would just be to get away that's what his own son said to this woman get away from that man he's terrible he is a scary man so may 11th 2019 here we go. Marcus and Marianne. I think this is the Saturday before Mother's Day. The Mother's Day is the next day. Okay. On Sunday. So the college year just ended, I guess. And they're seen in several places on surveillance footage, because this is 2019, going bar hopping in Milledgeville.

So they go to a bunch of bars to celebrate. Then they head over to a friend's house. A guy named Clark Heindel. H-E-I-N-D-E-L. He's 69 years old. Clark. Oh, let's go to Clark's house. Let's go to Clark's house. But Clark, wait till you hear. Clark's

house is hopping. Really? You go over there to get nude and do drugs. That's where you go to Clark's house. At a 69 yearold man's house? Yeah, fuck yeah. Absolutely. Well, he's a disbarred or whatever the fuck, defrocked psychologist or psychiatrist because he's had problems.

Now he's got a yoga studio that he's trying to get rid of. Oh, he's that guy. Yeah. So he's like, I tried to do something in the medical field. Now smell my ass. So they go to his house, Clark Heindel. And Marcus said,

had a few beers, smoked a little pot, started listening to some music, had a couple more beers. And, um, he said they were just hanging out. Mark.

Then they had a little jam session too. Oh no. Yeah. Oh yeah. Clark had an accordion that he busted out. Listen, unless you have funny songs like weird Al, I don't want to see thation that he busted out. Of course he did. Unless you have funny songs like Weird Al, I don't want to see that shit.

Put it away. Not that thing. Or you can make a monkey dance. If you can do that with it too, you put a big mustache on and pretend to be an Italian from 100 years ago. I'm okay with that. Other than that, get the fuck out of here with that fucking accordion. That thing sucks. So then Marcus got some conga drums and was doing that and they were having a a conga and accordion jam session can you imagine

the cacophony of noise that made yeah this is the opposite weed person that you are yes it really is it really is there are two weed, people. This is not the kind James is. The kind I am is the kind that makes fun of this kind. Yeah. That's me. I get stoned and sit back and- There's a weed guy that goes, what is that, a fucking accordion? You got an accordion?

And then I'll make fun of him for an hour about the accordion while Jimmy laughs. And he joins in with great jokes and we both laugh. Well, you're saying, why doesn't Uber pick up here? Yeah, yeah yeah what the fuck this is a situation we're going to be stuck in at some time so that's what they're doing drinking smoking doing that sort of thing he had had his license yanked in 2017 clark did because a female patient filed a complaint uh claiming that he engaged her in sexual relationship and a sexual relationship and also had given her weed.

That's a cool fucking psychologist, man. That's. But did she accept the sexual relationship? I guess they engaged in one. They engaged in one, which is not appropriate because he's a fucking caregiver and he's in a position. You can't do that. You can't fuck your patients if it's a medical thing you probably shouldn't yeah but no i don't think it's

legal to in a in a in a clinical setting like that too if like i don't think if you just convinced her that's kind of like what do i mean you can manipulate these people yeah that's fucked up they're coming to you going what should i do yeah and he's like well fuck this dick that's what you should do yeah that's That's not okay. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller, available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager, but local deputy

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and give them marijuana. Nobody cares. Yeah, we're super encouraged. You go around, see who's the most flexible, and then you give them weed and try to bang them, I feel like,

if you're a 69-year-old man running a studio. Look at her. She can get a leg back behind her head. Hey, sweetheart. I got some Blue Dream, honey. What do you think? Have you ever heard of sour diesel back behind her head. Hey, sweetheart. I got some blue dream, honey. What do you think? Have you ever heard of sour diesel?

Yeah, let's go, baby. My favorite. So Marcus said, quote, we had stepped down from his porch and we were getting ready to leave. And I said, hey, Clark, I heard you got some acid. So Marcus said, what? And he said, no, but I've got some ecstasy on your way out the door yeah we'll just let's take a drug that lasts for hours and hours on my way out the door you know we're going for a ride right now why don't we have another ride uh let's do it and

see some things so marcus said they took ecstasy and he said it got all fuzzy after that. That's what Marcus said. He said, I was so out of it, I couldn't make a sentence. I couldn't speak. Imagine being that age and being like, let's start ecstasy now. Yes. That's 69. Some of these guys are, they have like, that's not even a midlife crisis. No, that's the end, babe.

That's a Thanksgiving crisis. You're in late November, Chief. What are you doing? That's not a July crisis or a June crisis. Richard Lewis was 74? I mean, that's five years from now. Just get ready for Christmas, Chief. Come on.

Calm down. Put the lights up and take a load off. Jesus, fuck, man. So they're all hanging out here. They think, Marcus said he thinks Marianne got into the hot tub around 9 p.m. They're all naked, by the way, here. She's in the hot tub. They're in the hot tub.

One's swimming around. They're about to leave. Now we're on ecstasy, nude in the hot tub. What the fuck? At a yoga pervert's house. So they are. From now on i dub me male yoga instructors yoga pervert sorry yoga perv i know who you are how you doing yoga creep yeah if it's a woman fine she might actually be trying to achieve flexibility and enlightenment or whatever the fuck a guy is like

i want to try to cop a feel yeah i want to see if i can see your pussy through your tight pants while you get in a weird position that's all i want to hold it while i guide you into a weird position yeah yeah you trust me don't you so they uh do that at one marcus said at one point he got out of the hot tub and he said marianne begged him not to get out of the hot tub. He says, she said, baby, get back in this water with me right now. And Marcus said she had fear in her voice. Those are his stammers, by the way, not mine. I'll give you a few, but those are all his.

And if it was, or he said, and it was, it was definitely fear. But he said he didn't know what she was afraid of. Couldn't figure it out. And he was later asked, well, why didn't you just get back in the hot tub if you sense she had some kind of fear? And he said, quote, because I'm an idiot. So 1 a.m., a 911 call comes in from this air from this house. And it's Clark Kindle on the phone, and he says he needs an ambulance. He said his friend, a college professor named Marianne Shockley, had seemingly drowned in his hot tub.

Oh, no. Yeah. So this began as a 911 call at 1 a.m. All right. This is an unresponsive naked woman in a hot tub at 115 Watson Reynolds Road, which I looked up. And if you look up the street view of it, you can't even see the house. It says there's a square footage and stuff. So it's back there. But it's like back in the woods. It's an eight and a half acre lot. It's out there.

It's not like in the middle of town or anything. You know what I mean? It's out there. It's not like in the middle of town or anything. You know what I mean? So the deputies arrive at the scene to find Heindel and another man who is Marcus Lillard. Almost said Matthew again. Both of them naked.

They're wearing. You're expecting company. You're expecting the police force to come over. Come on. Put some shorts on. They're wrapped in towels but nude underneath and they are performing cpr the two of them to a naked unresponsive woman laying on the deck out there uh that is marianne shockley she's bleeding heavily from her head at this point okay um yes so Lillard tells the deputies, this is my girlfriend.

The deputy checked for a pulse but couldn't find one. So EMS is called, finally, and a coroner as well because she's not breathing or beating of her heart or anything. Responding, yeah. So Marcus is,

at one point in the body cam video, Marcus is doing something and you hear the deputy say, leave that right there. Don't touch nothing. So Marcus tells the deputies he doesn't know what happened because he went into the woods to collect firewood at midnight, which is a terrible time to go into the woods. I get all my wood for fires early in the day three hours ago you were going home yeah now you're getting wood and you're nude you're nude in the woods who collects firewood naked no fucking way there's spiders and shit in there so you're gonna get your dick bit off so and all

that stuff comes out at night man yeah and he says the same thing on the body cam he said i went over to get some wood to make firewood i I brought a whole bunch of stuff back. So he said, I don't know. I was gathering firewood whenever this happened with her, and then I just started doing CPR. The deputy said that it seems very odd because everything was wet from rain earlier in the day, and there was already a pile of firewood right there by the pool. Yeah, what are you doing? Firewood taken, okay? Gathering wet wood and we already got wood.

He said he got back from the woods and noticed that Shockley, Marianne, was passed out in the hot tub and he pulled her out. Okay. So those are his words, passed out. He was taking her, he said, to the other end of the pool deck and then he fell while he was carrying her. And that's how she received her head injury. She cracked it open on the ground when he dropped her when he fell on her well that feels like a lawsuit why would you pick her up and carry her to the other side of the pool deck wouldn't you get her out of the hot tub right there just under a firm surface nearby yeah that's it yeah you're not gonna i like it over there better. Better place.

No, you don't do that. So he, according to him, Heindel, he says he was swimming on the other end of the pool. The hot tub is on one end of the pool. He was on the other end of the pool. She was in there alone. Not Matthew. Marcus was in the woods. Lillard was in the woods.

And he said that's when Lillard came back from the woods and found her unresponsive. And the two of them started performing CPR together. So there's two fucking witnesses here. There's two people and one dead person. So they waited 45 minutes to call 911. Jesus. They thought she was faintly breathing.

So you don't call an ambulance because you think what you'll fix it yoga guy is gonna fix it and the fucking car sales when you do coax her back to reality with a deal on a new kia what the fuck are you talking about it's not gonna happen man no so later he said the real reason he went into the woods because they're like we're not buying this firewood thing because the firewood he said the real reason he went into the woods is he was trying to recreate a scene from a documentary called The Last Shaman. And while on drugs, the lead guy in this documentary takes part in rituals that are like being buried alive. So you get like, you know, you bury yourself.

The experience of it? No. He said that he had told them, I'm going to the woods to dig a hole. That's what he told them. He said he went into the woods and just laid down and he didn't know for how long. He was on drugs. He said, I can't remember anything past her saying, don't leave me. That's all he remembered.

So he said when he emerged, he emerged he said they said did you hear anything did you see anything he said i didn't hear anything i could see marianne slumped down with her chin up to her nose underwater chin up to her nose from her chin to her nose in the water underwater yeah yeah so during all this the body cam video from the cops, Clark Heindel's there. And he said, I'm sitting down there and points to the end of the pool, hanging out, swimming at the other end of the pool, shallow end. And the deputy says, and she's in the hot tub. And he says, yeah. And he said, do you know at what point you noticed she wasn't visible?

And he said, I never saw that she wasn't visible but i got up i guess when he was coming back so he saw lillard and i guess he got up then he lillard said he pulled her out of the hot tub placed her on the pool deck dropped her she suffered a gash to her forehead and that's when heindel walked over marcus said he actually marcus says quote and he actually said should we call 9-1-1 and they said well what did you say and he actually said, should we call 911? And they said, well, what did you say? And he said, I said, no, I think she'll be fine. Faintly breathing, bleeding profusely from her head.

This should be good. Anything he says, though, he's gotten his psychology license ripped from him. Anything he says, do the opposite. That's the other thing, yeah. He's probably trying to fuck you and give you weed i don't know right so the gas should be fine back your ass up to me real quick yeah just do that so they would take turns giving her cpr which i don't know if one's got better cpr or what so we're unsure exactly how much time passed before they called 911, but it seems like 45 minutes to an hour. Wow. Which is a long time.

Too long. But once the investigators get there, they think that she's been dead for at least two hours before the help arrived. Holy. The timelines are all out of whack, but when everybody's on ecstasy, time is a really, really mushy concept at that point. Yeah, it can go anyway. What is time?

What is time anyway? Let's let's let's dig into that next thing. You know, it's six hours later. So Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent Michael Maben, he said that investigators began trying to piece together what happened. began trying to piece together what happened. Mabin said Lillard was naked and wrapped in a towel when the first deputies and EMTs arrived at what they described as a, quote, very weird scene.

This whole thing is very weird. Yeah. Yeah. Lillard, this is the most fucking weird thing. Lillard, once they look at the body cam footage later on of all this going on, they see some disturbing shit on there that they didn't notice when they got there. Didn't see whatillard was helping to do cpr to try to revive her but the

footage from the officer's body cameras also show lillard touching marianne's vagina at the same time he was trying to finger her back into consciousness which i don't know if that's how that works what i mean yeah the clit's a magical thing, but it's not that fucking magical. It's pretty amazing, but I don't think that's the button. It's not a reset button. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, it's not a fucking go in the back. It's not a reboot. Yeah, it's like a Teddy Ruxpin. You got to get a fucking paper clip and go into the, do a hard reset. I think that's what he was trying to do. What a weirdo. Yes, that's fucking wild

so the deputies want to separate these two idiots for further questioning okay at the time so they put marcus in a squad car since it's clark's house you know they put marcus outside sit him in the living room the body cam says marcus okay policy says i have to put you in cuffs anytime i transport you okay so place your hands behind your back for me well he doesn i have to put you in cuffs anytime i transport you okay so place your hands behind your back for me well he doesn't have to be behind your back though that's a right yeah it's an interesting place to put him so that he cooperates there totally he's like yeah no problem well you know whatever meanwhile heindel they're having a harder time with him getting him to cooperate here clark yeah um a deputy on body cam, too kind, said, quote,

I done told him three times to stay off the pool, but he's insistent to have his lawyer. Something is not right here, bro. That's what he said to another cop. I want to practice my cannonball. I want to get the fuck out of the pool. It's my turn. I'm going to erase one of you i bet that thing doesn't do well in the water oh man so a deputy says to heindel wait right there it's a crime scene now wait right there

and then again i asked you to wait back there sir and heindel says what and the deputy says i asked you to wait back there so telling him where to stand away from what? And the deputy says, I asked you to wait back there. So they're telling him where to stand, away from shit. So then the deputy watches Clark get a phone call and wander away from them off, but away from the body in the crime scene. So they're like, fine. Yeah, go wander around your front yard and talk on the phone. Oh, gives a shit. The report says Lillard, cooperative, complies with requests to give him, he gives him the cop's cell phone, finds Mary Ann's, gives that to them as well. That's good, yeah.

Cooperative. Meanwhile, Heindel's sitting on the front porch while things are being processed. Detectives find a pair of glasses on the pool deck, blood-soaked spots of grass, and a silver woman's bracelet. In the grass yeah which all seem like that would be indications of a struggle happening outside of the hot tub right so that's interesting the deputy coroner steve chapel asked if detectives had shockley's driver's license but they didn't have it so they went to ask heindel where her purse was. When they turned to look, Heindel's not on the porch anymore. And the front door is open. So they're like, oh, for fuck's sake.

So the deputy into is they're looking, trying to get back in the door. And they said, we got a dead woman. And then said, sheriff's office, sheriff's office, where is he? And then they heard a loud muffled bang and you hear he's in the bathroom in the bathroom he fucking went upstairs and blew his brains out with a shotgun what blew his fucking brains all over his bathroom with a shotgun what is happening while the cops are there and wrote a suicide note first, went up there, banged out a quick fucking note, blew his brains out. Now, now we got a thing.

Yes. Now, Marianne's sister said it tainted the case 100 percent because there weren't two people there that could say what happened. Now there's only one. Yeah. And Marcus said, quote, and I just said, well, he he had to have done it. If that pill made me so stupid, maybe it made him for once in his life a violent guy. I don't know. So, yeah, he self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the master bathroom.

Then they bring in Sheriff Bill Massey. Let's bring in the sheriff now. Oh, boy. And he said the feeling at this scene was totally different than any I'd ever been to. It was a very, very strange feeling that everybody noticed here. He said, they determined that the scene looked a little inappropriate as far as just a pure drowning incident due to some blood at the scene and the demeanor of the people at the scene. You know, one of them blowing his brains out and all is a weird demeanor. That doesn't happen often, does it?

The ecstasy really fucked things up first. And then the old Winchester finished it off. Shit got real weird here real quick. Pills and guns. So then he goes on to say, I don't know how to explain this to people who are not in our business. But when we first arrived at the crime scene, there was just something about it that was not right. It was just sort of a bizarre, different kind of case. So they turn over everything to the Georgia Bureau of

Investigation. The sheriff remembers walking through Heindel's house when he spotted what turned out to be a handwritten suicide note on the kitchen counter. Here we go. It says, I'm very sorry. I don't know what happened with Mary Ann but it was on my watch and I'm so

sorry for the family and friends. And then the rest of it is just instructing his heirs on what to do with his shit. So he's grief-stricken in the moment? I feel bad, too guilty. I don't know. When they asked the sheriff, why was Clark allowed to go back into his home? I think this was on 48 Hours they asked the sheriff. And he said, I'll be upfront with you.

It was a violation of our policy and procedures i'll be honest with you pure incompetence on our part we we certainly screwed the pooch yeah yeah it's not like there was a hundred people there there was two people there we generally like to make them feel like they're arrested but uh we let this guy just run around well tallywhack around it's a fucking crime scene how hard is it to to to gather up a 69 year old man who's on ecstasy right well it wasn't like probably tough it wasn't like there was like 50 14 year olds or something like i don't know a couple of them slipped away there's one guy the other one's in cuffs in the car yeah but it's easier one wrangle wrangle him than it is a bunch of chickens yeah

exactly they had one person who wasn't either handcuffed or dead at the scene and let him walk around literally told him 30 times stay there stay there well fucking somebody cuff him and hold his hands yeah something so they said how big of a mistake was it and the sheriff said oh it was a terrible mistake the biggest you've ever made yeah he said oh, it was a terrible mistake. The biggest mistake ever made. Yeah. He said, terrible mistake. It was a dramatic, a dramatic error in this case. And Marianne's sister said, made no sense. Marianne was intelligent. Like, even if she was drinking in the hot tub, I could not see this happening.

So they bring in Marcus because he's the only guy they could talk to at this point. Right. guy that you could talk to at this point right and the agent michael maben says during uh during the time that i guess you were in the back seat of the car meaning the cop car clark went inside his house and he committed suicide inside his house and marcus said oh shit you're kidding because he didn't know he was in the car yeah they didn't tell him shit well tell the other guy too he want to know um they said nope i'm not kidding why uh kidding. Why would he do that? And Marcus said, I don't know. Maybe that'll shed some light, but I can't believe this.

I would never in a million years guess he would do that. Then he says, there's a pretty good chance that Clark got in that hot tub with her. Just volunteers that. He said, I'm going to say there's a very high chance of that. I mean a really high chance. And they said, help me out, man. Do you do you think he did something to her? And Marcus said, I don't think she would have did it to herself.

And I know I didn't do anything. So the sheriff said, quote, losing his psychology license, the death of a young son because his son died at six years old. Hi, Clark's had him depressed for years the embarrassment of it all and it happened at his house now uh by the way the last shaman documentary because that's going to come up again quickly here it was a guy who went to into the peruvian jungle and spent 10 months going from shaman to shaman to figure out a cure for his depression, I guess. Taking like ayahuasca or ayahuasca shit? Yeah, ayahuasca.

He did try that and a bunch of other shit. Jesus. So Lillard then says he and Clark Heindel discussed that film that night, as a matter of fact, and Lillard says Heindel found some hydrangea branches what is that and shook them around marianne's body like some they tried to perform one of the ceremonies from the documentary see if they could bring her back to life when she was dead he tried this yeah when she's laying there they're doing cpr they're like well compressions aren't working. What about a willow? How about just surround her?

What? The sheriff said it was ritualistic or a seance or something. You know, the Baldwin County sheriff guy, he doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. Lillard says this, quote, I'm a lot of shit, but a liar ain't one. Is that right? He then went on to say that he has a feeling that hindle while lillard was off in the woods joined shockley in the hot tub lillard referred to hindle as a cool philosopher guy and said quote he's a flirty guy he's gonna take a shot at seducing marianne he said he later knew

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Yeah, this is like an indie movie. Right. He said that if he were to be charged with a crime for anything, it should be for being negligent, for not rushing Shockley to the hospital. But yeah, that should definitely be something. That should certainly be there, yeah. So then he also said, people don't blow their brains out for no reason. Something happened to this woman, and you look fishy, meaning Clark, who was dead. Yeah.

And he said, I agree 100%. If I did it, I'd just go ahead and tell you. If I knew, I would tell you. Lillard then said when he was doing CPR on Marianne, he was being very affectionate with her. Affectionate. Lillard was or Clark? Lillard said Clark was. He said he was telling me how beautiful she was and that it appeared that he was kissing her instead of doing CPR.

Will you be able to tell if her chest is going up and down? Cause you're blowing it. He said, wow. My instincts tell me that he had sex with her. Okay. Um, he said he was whispering sweet nothings in her ear in between CPR breaths, you know,

like live, don't die, please. Stuff like that. Maybe. I don't know. That's my guess. Live.

God damn you. Yeah. Live. Please don't know that's my guess live goddamn you yeah live please don't die do it for your children things like that get them real turned on so lillard went on to say that he picked up on a sense that clark was attracted to marianne he said he kept talking about how beautiful she was over and over so they asked lillard if he thought that clark was french kissing the unconscious tongue orue or no tongue? What are we talking about here? What is happening? And Lillard said, I think so.

I think so. So, yeah. And then they said, do you think maybe that's why he killed himself? And he said, there has to be some reason. So, yeah, why not? Now, Marcus's son here, he used to go to Clark as a psychologist. Really? And likes him better than his father.

Yeah. Ouch. He said, Carson said, I did love Clark and I still do. And I think I didn't realize how much he meant to me until he was gone. He said that his father, on the other hand, he blames his father for all of this that's going on with Marianne. He described his father as a malignant narcissist, which is rough. And he said he was headed toward destruction and was determined to bring somebody with him. Then we have somebody also an ex-girlfriend comes up and the sheriff says it this way.

I was at my desk at the office and a young lady called me extremely upset. And she said, Sheriff Massey, Marianne Shockley didn't drown. She said Marcus choked her to death. Now, this is before there's any medical report, too. So we don't even know how she died. The sheriff said she said the same thing happened to me a long time ago when I was at a low point in my life. And he said he choked her when they were having sex. Oh.

So, yeah. Sheriff said, I asked if she'd come in and give a statement, and she did. And she said that Marcus has a choking fetish, and it was a regular part of their sex life. Really? Which is, a lot of people are into choking, by the way. Women and men. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah that's a big thing um so the agent said how many times do you think you and marcus had sex she said maybe a hundred

times more than that i don't know they were together for a long time who knows the relationship think about try to put a number on how many times you've had sex with someone you've been with for more than three four years impossible i mean fucking who knows? I don't know. You could probably get a calculator and figure it out. In my marriage, probably less than cocaine. That's easy to figure out. I was married. That's way easy to figure out after the first kid's born. That's a real easy one.

Well, how many kids do I have? Three? Well, two more. That's an embarrassing equation I'd rather not talk about. Oh, man. So they said, how many times do you think choking was involved? And she said, I would say at least 30 times. So a third of the time, choking.

She said that the choking was consensual. She liked it, too. But one time, she says, Lillard went too far. She said, he choked me long enough where I lost consciousness and my body crumpled to the floor. You were fucking somebody in a standing position while choking them? Maybe she was on top and he held her so tight she fell off the bed?

I guess, but if you're on top, can't you just lift up a little bit? No, if you've got a hold of the throat, you can't move. How long is his arm? She could fucking bend her back. Bend backwards. Not if you've got a good grip. He's not Inspector Gadget.

And if you're holding someone tight enough to where they can't move, that's a criminal act at that point. Yeah, but that's what he's probably doing. Yeah, had to be, right? That's why she went on college. That's crazy, though. Too much. That's a weird fucking thing. Marcus said it was really more of a place to put

your hands for control there's also tits they're nice yeah i like those hips and tits yeah a couple legs there i don't know just a little light pressure to the carotid arteries you know that was that was really about it there was never any pressure there and he touches his throat and said the pressure was here that it was not that it was blown way out of proportion he said he only tried choking marianne one time uh it wasn't that night that she died and she said she didn't like it and they never did it never came up again and they've been together for two years fucking and he was like oh that's she's a no-go on the choking she doesn't like that yeah she's not into it um now her sister says i believe they were having sex and he choked her and that's what caused her death. That's what they think.

Yeah. Yeah. But interesting. The autopsy comes back. Medical examiner said it was, quote, a classic case of strangulation. Really? Really. That's what.

Not a drowning. Not the head injury. Strangulation. Busted blood vessels in her eyes and nothing to do with drowning she said died as a result of his asphyxia due to strangulation manner of death uh best classified as homicide obviously so it's at that point where they're like we got to talk to marcus again because this was like a few days later yeah and they said strangulation is what killed her, okay? And you need to tell me what the hell happened,

because, you know, we need to talk about it. And Marcus said, I don't know. I was in the woods counting the stars. I was laying down. The agent said, yes, you do. He said, if I knew, I would have told you immediately. And he said, no, you're lying. And then Marcus said, so i need to get a lawyer at

this point because i mean you you already got your mind made up you already got your mind made up and then the agent said yep i do well you're under arrest for murder i'll tell you that so you can get a lawyer get anybody you want but you're definitely going in cuffs right now um so yeah there he goes one day afterwards where they they charged him as soon as they got the autopsy report they were like well you like to choke she's been choked that's that it's pretty easy which is not evidence still though no it's not it's a pretty good it's a pretty good uh reason and justification to to arrest but you better get some fucking evidence you need some evidence yeah he's charged with murder by strangulation, concealing called 9-1-1.

And now they're thinking it was about two hours before they called 9-1-1. So another ex-girlfriend talked to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, and they said, quote, she would describe him as being very rough and violent during sex. She would be would choke her to unconsciousness when she told him to stop. Lillard had replied, quote, shut up and take it. Yikes. That is. I think that is a quote from a Danny Masterson trial. I believe it's rough right there.

Wow. That is a transcript from hell is what that is. Five other women have since said that they too were choked during sex with Lillard. That's what he's into. Though not at all had passed, not all of them had passed out, and they were all described as consensual encounters as well. But they're saying, yes, he's definitely, it's not just one lady saying he's

into choking. A lot of people says he's into choking. None of them told, they all described him, now Heindel, though, they quote, quote, they all described him as normal boring sex that's how you want to be remembered great i mean if i was on trial i want every one of those to come up just vanilla as fuck man i don't know missionary just i mean missionary five pumps and he's gone that's all i never came does that give you an idea we barely touched while it was going on it was

very it finished every time real fast real fast and that's all that happened so that's what they said normal boring sex so they're saying that um mabin the georgia investigator guy he said in my opinion when a grown man puts his own hands around someone's neck and squeezes to me that's intent to take somebody's life oh dude calm down now yeah let's look at there we know hurt so many people who are into being choked and choking so that you can't say that boring is that man's sex life oh my god they said that the only evidence that points to lillard really is he had texted friends asking, quote, how to get somebody back to life. How do you reanimate a corpse? How do you do that?

Anybody? Oh, get some leaves? Okay, we'll try that. A car battery? Very weird. And they said it's a bizarre kind of case. And they talk about in her documentary, her obituary, people said that they were in shock. She made a huge impact.

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involuntary manslaughter and reckless conduct. Now he's ordered held without bond because he's on probation. Remember, right? 15 years. He's right in jail immediately. So they said that Heindel had told the cops before he blew his brains out that he and Lillard thought she was going to come around. Then Lillard said, they talk about how Lillard had said that he thought maybe Marianne was faking it and playing around with them at first.

For two hours she was faking it? That's a long, yeah. Yeah, so that's a little ridiculous. They said that he said he just did not know what happened to Mary Ann, but it happened on his watch, so he couldn't live with it. That's what the suicide note said. He said he'd had a good life, and it was time for him to go. They found the leaves that they were trying to bring her back to life with scattered clothes,

bloody towels, bud light and Corona bottles, all sorts of shit here. So they said that they were shook the flowers over her body for some sort of ceremonial, right? And the agent said, that's what they were doing instead of calling nine one one. Wow.

Yeah. They learned it from some kind of documentary. Jesus Christ. Later on, Marcus will say, the devil was at work. I mean, everything that he could have possibly done to line this thing up, to make it confusing and deceitful, it was all done there. Deceitful. He is the devil he's talking about, by the way.

Right. Like he's just a fourth person that was there that night. And he just disappeared when he saw the lights and heard sirens. No shit. Then he says, there is good and there is evil. And that night, evil came to play. Which is a great name of an episode. So thank you, Mr. Marcus.

So the trial comes around and they talk about everything we've talked about the choking the waving flowers over her and you know all this shit all the inappropriate actions everything that heindel and lillard both did heindel's not here so it's all going on him all going on for right or wrong whatever you know even things that that whatever so they um when they're picking the jury they said that this is going to be a wild behind closed doors kind of case here. So are you ready for that? And they asked about questions to the jurors about, quote, spanking or other fetishes as

well to see what they knew and what they didn't know. I hope they all giggled. Oh, yeah, they were. They said that this might include talk of sexual behavior that's outside your comfort zone, and could you consider that with an open mind? One juror said, I could, but I wouldn't want to, which is a great response. That's hilarious. Very Georgian of him. Yeah, I wouldn't want to.

That's hilarious. Very Georgian of him. Yeah, I wouldn't want to. They figure out five guys, or nine men, five women, two alternates. You know, the alternates and the whole deal there. The prosecutor's saying, yeah, he's now saying that they thought she was faking it. Blah, blah, blah. And they said that this suicide note clearly showed that Heindel wasn't guilty for that. He was just a good person who felt bad it happened on his watch.

Okay. Which, that's a weird thing to think immediately. Right out of the gate, just runs upstairs for that? That lends more questions than answers, man. That's what I'm saying. And the defense attorney has the exact opposite. They're like, I don't know. There's two people.

One of them goes and blows his brains out and said, I sorry what happened to marianne look at him probably i would say um they say marcus lillard is not guilty his defense says obviously um the sister here said that shockley's teenage daughter marianne's daughter didn't want lillard around their house and that marianne would have to to Milledgeville to visit him instead. And that had she also said that Marianne had told her that they had lots of sex when they saw each other because they didn't see each other for spans of time and she had to go places. So, yeah, they said also they're there. A guy, one of the cops said their CPR actions were very sporadic and that, quote, one handed

CPR didn't seem appropriate. What? They're also on ecstasy at the same time. Yeah, that's a good point. There's there's Corona bottles literally everywhere. Yeah. And they also said that he said at one point, we should have called you all to start with, meaning the cops and the ambulance. That's true.

So but they're trying to make they bring in his ex-wife who's a respiratory therapist and she said that, you know, she heard about this. She said she heard about this from her husband, ex-husband, because he called her that night. They've been divorced

for more than 20 years, but he called her that night in the middle of the night and she said from his voice she could tell that he was under the influence of something. He was contradicting himself and mumbling and it was just not his normal conversation he was asking do you know how to get her back to life what's the quickest way to get her

back to breathing is what he said because she's a respiratory person yeah so they got brought in basically everybody he talked to on the phone that night. One of the persons said a massage therapist took the stand and told of Sunday night stoner parties at Heindel's place where they drink and get together and play bongos and fucking have a Matthew McConaughey kind of evening. You know what I mean? Very hemp and tie dye night. That's right. The medical examiner says the injuries were classic textbook manual strangulation and all of that. By the way, Marianne had a blood alcohol level of 0.11 at the time of her death and had ecstasy in her system as well. Barely drunk.

Barely drunk. They bring in a shitload of choked women who've coming in. Yeah. A lot of them said he's a nice guy and all that kind of thing. They said when he did drugs, including crack cocaine, their sexual encounters began to be more extreme. She said when he was on drugs, nothing was off limits. Yeah. I said one that, you know, he had a he was choking her and that sort of thing.

So, yeah, that's what they bring in to talk about it. Every one of his sexual partners he's ever choked to talk about how long did he choke you for what yeah god damn it wow um so they also another woman said that once in a while he would do it but never too hard and not too often you know that sort of thing one woman said she barely she briefly lost consciousness once but it didn't frighten her she thought it was kind of hot who are you it's like yeah where'd she come from that didn't scare you nope she was like whew oh i thought i was dead hot yeah you came to and you were fucking oh my god another guy they brought on the stand johnny bud mitchell an automotive detailer with the car lot he said quote we were both pretty popular with the women. The detailer.

Yep. He said they had conversations about choking women and that this guy told him that, you know, they said, isn't it true that you said you're going to kill some woman if you went on choking them during sex? And he said, I probably did say that. Yeah, probably. Yeah, that seems all right. All of Heindel's girlfriends, like we said, very vanilla. Here is a letter from jail that he wrote to somebody. OK, here is the simple truth. Truth about what happened to Marianne. Feel free to share the truth. The lies are over. So Marianne's plans changed around noon on Saturday, May 11th,

2019. We were set to leave for Ecuador that Wednesday. We stopped by Clark's. We had just had a six pack and we brought weed. We shot the breeze inside for a while and then it went to the porch to smoke and listen to music. We all had a normal buzz, no big deal. Got there around 730 or 845 or 9. We were ready to leave. When I asked Clark about some acid or LSD, one of our friends said he had, but he had hit it because he was scared of it. I wanted to take the acid to Ecuador to the trip. Drug dogs won't catch it. So he says, no, I lost it, but I have some ecstasy. Marianne and I look at each other and not okay. She wouldn't have smoked crack cocaine, but she likes mushrooms, LSD, and ecstasy, even though it had been a long

time since she'd done anything except shrooms. Her words as she took the piece, maybe one third or one fourth of the pill were, oh my gosh, it's been so long. Oh boy. He said Clark took his one fifth size piece and then he gave me a whole one. 15 minutes later, I could barely speak English. He said that Clark was a gentleman and respectful. He got into the pool to give us privacy while we were in the hot tub or at least be alone. He said, it's a long story, but some stuff I had been watching gave me the bright idea to go into the woods and dig a hole and bury myself.

She said that he said, she said, baby, I need you back in this water now. And he said, I'll only be a minute. So he said, I think he woke think he woke up in the woods a thousand yards away 90 minutes later and came back and saw her. He said, I've never heard a soul, not even a derogatory term during sex. I don't know what he's there. He said he does say that he believed in a large heart condition that Shockley was unaware of that was discovered during her autopsy, combined with the drugs and the heat of the hot tub, may have caused a heart attack. No, dude. That's not.

That's not what happened. He said also she may have choked on her own vomit. None of these things explain anything. That didn't happen. So there's also some shorts they talk about they found nearby they were trying to figure out. That doesn't matter. Closing here, defense says no evidence was put up ever that

said that shockley put his hands or that uh marianne that he put his hands on marianne he's told the jury uh the state has not proven that marcus put his hands around her neck and strangled her they didn't prove their burden the prosecutor said um you know this uh there is a liar in this courtroom and it's the defendant. So, four days of testimony. Jury deliberates for about 35 minutes and comes back. Oh, God. They find him not guilty of anything. Oh, my God.

Knocked. They didn't prove shit. They had nothing. They had nothing. The judge says, though, I revoke your probation for the balance of your sentence, which runs through October 30th, 2030. Oh, shit. You'll have to do as much of that as the parole board orders you to serve. They could set him free.

They could make him serve a few years or they could hold him until 2030. It's up to them now. A juror said the prosecution had an uphill battle. I don't know if they were rushed to take it to trial or had to take it to trial, but they didn't have a lot. They had nothing. They had nothing. They said that a bunch of different, they said all the sexual partners they brought in,

they said, quote, didn't sit well with the jurors. They said it was sort of overkill. The jury was over it. Why make that many women have to get up there and testify? Two or three was enough. We get the the picture how many did they have yep and they also in another big one in closing arguments the prosecution referenced a supposed letter that marianne wrote even though the letter was never entered into evidence and he said as far as us jurors went the letter never existed he does think that lillard was a narcissist and a professional manipulator,

but they didn't feel comfortable convicting him of murder because he seems like an asshole. Yeah. So they said, unfortunately, without a reasonable doubt, we could not say that Marcus Lillard did this. Somewhere in there, he was probably liable for something and needed to be reprimanded. I wish they had given us more charges to choose from. And they had pulled back the concealing a death among the charges. They didn't indict him on that. They could have. They said they would have convicted him of that, but that wasn't an option.

So there he is. Her family says, we very much wanted justice for Marianne Shockley. We hate this. Nobody deserves this. If there was justice to be served, we wanted it. But we could not go to sleep at night knowing that we did 100 what we did uh we can go to sleep at night or we could not go to sleep at night knowing that we did 100 of what we were supposed to do and convicting lillard of something we had no stone cold truth of and something terrible happened that night otherwise clark wouldn't have killed

himself and i'd really i don't know that i want to know what happened. I don't know, but something fucking weird. Something fucked up happened. We don't know. He's not going to say. If only SimpliSafe had their cameras there, we could have been good. Unbelievable. Not to plug our shit, but I'm curious. This is some footage you want to see.

Truly. Or don't want to see, but want to know. So there you go, everybody. Milledgeville, Georgia. Thank you so much for checking that out. Goody Mob's right. Yeah, it's fucking wild yeah you know what i take it back goody mob you were it's right shit's real over there you'll die

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