Small Town Murder - #475 - One Too Many Girlfriends - Wilmington, Delaware

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

This week, in Wilmington, Delaware, a local lawyer, with 3 girlfriends, and a wife, has a relationship with a woman, who ends up dumped in the ocean. When his strange sexual past comes up, suspicions fall on him, right away, but the lack of a body makes it hard to arrest him, until a family member comes forward with a wild story of throwing a body in the ocean. Will it be enough to convict?Along the way, we find out that Delaware once made most of the leather, that if you have a spouse, and 3 other girlfriends, you're begging for trouble, and that the last thing a person wants is for the sex life to be paraded in open court!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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we're going to make jokes at things for sure the thing is though there's a lot of stuff to make jokes about that isn't you think oh it's a murder story how are you going to make jokes well there's a plenty of stuff around that to make jokes maybe there's a bumbling police force that doesn't know how to do their jobs maybe there's a murderer who picks a really dumb plan to get away with a murder. Even more ridiculous. We have nothing else. We have no recourse. We're not lawyers.

We can't put the guy in jail. But what we can do is make fun of him unmercifully. So that's what there is to that. So it's not as bad as you think it is. Put it that way. That's small town murder. It's not as bad as you think it is. It's not bad.

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So that's our general philosophy. If you like that, you're going to like the show. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, you might not like the show. But if you don't, you've been warned, so no bitching later. That's how this works. That said- He's new every week. That's what I'm talking about. That said, but if you don't, you've been warned, so no bitching later. That's how this works. That said- He's new every week.

That's what I'm talking about. That said, I think it's time, everybody. I think it's time to sit back. Let's all clear the lungs, arms to the sky, and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's do it. Let's do this, everybody. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Let's do it. Let's do it. We are going all the way to Delaware this week. Shit, yeah. A state that you don't really have any preconceived notions of. You overlook it a lot. You forget about it a lot. If I said name all 50 states, there's a couple you might leave out, and one of them's probably Delaware.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple. Delaware, maybe, you know. See the probably Delaware. Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple. Delaware, maybe, you know. See, the Dakotas, if you think of one, you'll think of the other. Yeah, you might miss a Vermont or a New Hampshire, possibly. You might go Virginia. Wait, is that Westford?

Is that only one? I don't know how many there are. Goddamn Rhode Island, son of a bitch. Are there two Virginias? Shit. This is terrible. Is there a North? Goddamn it. Mississippi. I got Alabama. I got Louisiana. I got Missouri. That was how it would work. are there two virginias shit this is terrible north god damn it mississippi i got alabama i got louisiana i got missouri that was how it would work so this is wilmington delaware it's a northern delaware about 52 minutes to dover um which is uh they believe that's the capital there that's the capital 40 minutes to philly so i mean it's right there to Philadelphia. Yeah. And about 15 minutes away to Claymont, which was our last Delaware episode.

Oh. Which was episode 422, Dead in a Ditch was the name of that one. Okay. That could be a lot of these. It was a good Express episode, though, the way it was. I remember that one. That could be a good chunk of these shows. There's a lot of people dead in ditches here.

We have a much more dramatic way of body disposal this week, so it's crazy. But Delaware is a small state, so, I mean, everything is pretty close. An hour away in Delaware is like, holy shit, that's all the way across the state. Yeah, basically everything north of Maryland is fucking teeny tiny. It's a couple of panhandles is how Delaware works, how it's set up. This is New Castle County, area code 302. Several mottos here for this town here. Number one, the corporate capital of the world.

What? If you know anything about corporations, they all file for incorporation in Delaware. Oh, okay. There's certain laws there that are very advantageous to corporations. Taxes. I used to serve process, serve papers, and all these corporations all had their main address as Delaware. That's everything.

Every corporation. Somebody bought a cheap shit house there and set up shop there. There's no house. It's just that's where they're set up. There's not even an office. But they got to have an address there, right? A PO box, I think, is all you really need. It's just you have to incorporate in Delaware.

So it's really silly. Also, in the middle of it all really silly also uh in the middle of it all is another one in the middle of it all all of what that could be anything that could be bad i don't know that's a motto yeah in the middle of it all no you're on the edge you're on the edge but i mean in the middle of delaware is that what you're trying to brag about what are we talking about here and then the third one is this doesn't seem like something you'd want to put on the sign you know this is something you'd want to hide, I think. It could be, and I bet Flint, Michigan would probably argue with them.

Quote, the chemical capital of the world. So is that something you want to brag about? I don't know. Are 3M and DuPont there? Is that what it is? Our drinking water is terrible. Come on in. Tainted.

Come try it. History of this town. We'll go through this pretty quick here. In 1868, so this is after the Civil War here, Wilmington was producing more iron ships than the rest of the country combined. Wow. So they were really doing that. Also ranked first in production of gunpowder. So all the ships and gunpowder came from Wilmington delaware in the 1860s and second

in carriages and leather production as well is that right they were pumping stuff out after the civil war here um absolutely and so all of this this was great for their economy during the civil war they were making all this shit fast forward to the 1900s here the 1980s there's a lot of office construction and job growth and shit which happened because of the arrival of national banks and financial institutions because of the 1981 Financial Center Development Act, which loosened up the laws governing banks operating within the state. So that's how you ended up with like savings and loans loans and bank failures and all that kind of stuff. They're like, yeah, just do whatever you want. And then, shockingly, banks are greedy, and they fucked up. That's weird, right? Strange.

They did it again in 86, too. I can think of another time. Yeah. Lots of times that's happened here. But all sorts of banks are headquartered here. So reviews of this town. Let's find out what other people think, because we don't spend much time in Wilmington, Delaware. Never been.

Don't take our word for it. Let's take other people's words for it here. Four stars. Small city, but lots of things to do. Some landmarks and amazing ethnic restaurants make days worth it in Wilmington. From what I understand, there's a lot of good Italian joints here, too. Oh, is that right? Pretty big Italian community here. Two stars i've lived in delaware my entire life

wow bouncing around that tiny state wow it is extremely dangerous and not good for raising a family you know not really what you think of when you think of delaware don't go to delaware jesus your kids will get shot that wasn't the second sentence I was expecting after I've lived here my whole life. Yeah, it's awful. Why haven't you left, man? There's almost no social or financial mobility. Well, there you go. That's why they haven't left. They're stuck due to costs.

These schools here are good considering how underfunded they are. The teachers here go above and beyond to try and offer the best education they can. Wilmington is expensive to live in, although the houses are in poor condition and the neighborhoods are dangerous. It's dangerous and it's in poor condition, but good news is it's overpriced. So something for everybody. Good news is I can't afford it. Yeah, good news is you can't afford to be there anyway, so fuck it. Wilmington is very small, so commute time is short and the city is extremely diverse.

Wilmington is very small, so commute time is short, and the city is extremely diverse. Overall, a bad city that doesn't fund itself and offers no stability. Okay, and then finally, one star. Everyone here is miserable, and there's nothing to do 90% of the year. The roads are congested, and the area is being overdeveloped. There you go. Nothing to do 90%. 90%. There's a sliver of hope in maybe mid, maybe mid-August, really.

But outside of that, you're fucked. You're not getting anything. People here, 70,926 currently here. It's grown. That's a lot. It's grown. Yeah, definitely more than when our murder took place. More females and males by a good range.

Median age is 36.3. So right around the national average. Very low marriage rate here. It's only 30%. It's normally 50%. 39.6% of people have children but are single. It's normally 10%. That's a lot.

It's a lot, yeah. I don't know what's going on at all in the whole town here. We have race of this town, 28.3% white, 57.2% black, 1.5% Asian, 0.2% Native American, and 10.8% Hispanic. You don't think of a lot of Native Americans hanging out in Delaware, really. Not many, no.

It's not where you'd imagine. Or Hispanic, either. Yeah, well, I mean, there's still... I don't see authentic Mexican food being from Delaware. Apparently, there's good ethnic food here. I'll bet there is. Religion, 46.9% religious, so just under the average. And they're spread around pretty good.

But as you'd imagine, Catholics are going to take the most here. Catholics are the Baptists of the North. Even though Delaware isn't really that far north, it's still... It's north enough. It's in the northeastern area i would say more than like if you'd go down to maryland then you're getting mid-atlantic yeah so uh there's that in this county uh here let's see the oh no in the town the unemployment rate is 10.3 percent though that is why it is under four percent in the rest of the country yeah what's happening there i think

all the jobs are like corporate jobs. So I think there's not a lot of blue collar. We're not a lot of leather and carriage making going on anymore. True. Yeah. So much for all those fucking corporations. I think it's tough there. I think it is just P.O. boxes.

Maybe it is. Median household income here is $49,354 a year, which is about $20,000 below. And there's no money to be had anyway. The national average here. Absolutely. And the cost of living, 100 is average. Here it's 104. So it's a little bit high.

Wilmington blows. It doesn't sound great. It's lower. Median home costs $273,100 here. So if we've convinced you, damn it. I don't know how. The only place you can live is when you hear the crime numbers is Wilmington, Delaware. We have for you the Wilmington, Delaware real estate report. Your average two bedroom rental here is about $1,280 a month, so above the national average.

Yeah. Here's a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,200-square-foot weird house. It's this little house. The porch has carpet on it. So you don't see a lot of carpeted front porches for obvious reasons. Weather and such. You use the front porch to get the shit off your shoes before you...

They're like, nope, just wipe it right on the carpet. I don't know how that works. The inside too, the kitchen's brand new. Looks like they just redid it HGTV style. Rest of the house is from 1987. So it's a very strange house. Old dingy carpet. You never heard kitchens sell homes, James?

That's it. that's what they heard on this piece of shit yeah fuck it's so weird 85 000 bucks for it though so wow you need a place to live that's affordable here's a three bedroom two bath 1375 square foot house um it's pretty cool the house is cool but it's not you don't get the whole house. It's a unit in an old Victorian row house. Oh, cool. So it's like a floor you probably get. Yeah. 1,375 square feet. It's 1900 they built this house. It's one of those. It's a cool looking house. There's a big

giant fireplace in the middle of the room, which is a weird feature. It's pretty cool. $399,000 for that, though. Say again how many square feet? 1,375. For an awful lot of money. For an awful lot of money, because you're in, I guess you can walk to getting shot easier, I suppose. I don't know.

Oh, shit. I don't even care. Here's an eight-bedroom, seven-bath, 11,500 square foot. Oh, castle. Gigantic place. 4.71 acres. Built in 1875. Awesome.

Got huge porches wrapping around the house. It's obviously made to be like a bread, a bed and breakfast or an inn or something like that. Like it's, it just screams that like, please serve mediocre eggs here to couples who are forcing socialization upon each other. Serve powdered eggs and blueberries in the morning.

Do it, please. That's it. It's got a tennis court and a basketball court and all kinds of shit like that. $1,950,000 is out for that. You're going to pay for it. How many times do you got to rent it out to pay for that? A lot, probably. Christ.

A lot of those eight bedrooms have to get rented out. Yeah. Things to do here, we'll go over quickly. Here's the main thing of town, and this is a big deal. Apparently, Bob Marley had a place here for a while. Okay. So they fucking love Bob Marley here, which is fine. I'm happy with that.

Does he own the inn? Maybe. Bob Marley's one of those people that kind of like hits a lot of areas in the Venn diagram. Checks a lot of box. A lot of people. It of like hits a lot of areas in the Venn diagram. Checks a lot of box. A lot of people. It crosses over to a lot of different people's genres. I like death metal. I only like Norwegian death metal.

What about Bob Marley? He's cool, too. I like Bob Marley. I like him a lot. Anything. You could put any people who like, you know, I like this. Classical. Marley's good, too, though.

Yeah, I shot the sheriff. I'll hear. I'll listen to that. So, yeah, Three Little Birds. Put it on. They have the people's. It's not wrong. It's fucking great.

It's got a hundred good songs. You could put a Spotify Bob Marley channel on while you're in the pool. Press play and never even fuck with it. No one will complain. And it always hits. No one will complain. It always slaps. And Bob marley will

come up later on in this episode as well he'll be making an appearance doing a song as we know so they have the people's fest tribute to bob marley okay the 29th annual people's but this year will be 30 in 2024 yeah so they do it at the tubman garrett riverfront park and it says the spirit of the people's festival was built upon unity one love and justice good vibes are what you can expect at the people's festival there's something for everyone here i went one time and saw the whalers play which is his band and no one there was not one fight in the whole club like it was just the nicest people clouds of weed smoke outside. They were offering everybody to come on their bus and smoke with them and shit.

It just feels very fucking, who cares about anything? Let's just smile today. You can't hear, let's get together and feel all right, and punch someone in the face. It's just weird. It's just a strange thing to do yeah it's not feel my fist it's not it's not feel all pain it's fucking feel all right feel all right so there's that and there's also the fairy fest okay has nothing to do with bob

marley but it's just no children and adults enjoy live performances by the area's premier dance and theater companies with outdoor games. It's just that you go and people pretend to be fairies. They do like a fairy show for you. I don't know what that's all about exactly. We could make some really lowbrow jokes. There's plenty of really dumb jokes. We're going to skip them.

You get them. You understand. Is it this or that? Yeah, we know. Write your own. Keep trying. Write your own. If you can write your own, we're skipping them because we're comedians.

What do I need to do? People will often ask us, too, like, they missed that obvious joke. And I go, no, no, no. We didn't miss it. We chose not to say it because we're professional comedians. If you thought of it, we're not going to say it because you're not a professional comedian. Sometimes I have intrusive thoughts that are just like, say the dumb thing and get James' reaction. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I do it. Well, there's those. Yeah, obviously. Well, sometimes they're funny. But this would be not funny. No, this would just be hurtful. This would be dumb. What's the point?

It would just be too dumb and easy. I feel like I'm in the fourth grade. So crime rate in this town. What we're interested in here. Property crime, almost twice the average. Holy. That's not good there. It's not good.

Well, nothing yet. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime, about three times the average rate. Triple. Triple. Holy shit. Wilmington is real as fuck, everybody. changed the name it sounds folksy and homes yeah watch out motherfuckers there's homes around here yeah let's talk about some murder that did not happen on the street in a you know

horrible whatever uh let's talk about this and i gotta give credit where credit's due obviously the philadelphia daily news a writer named jim nolan did an ongoing huge series on this case and uh really had a lot of info that's we of course essential to this jim pulled it off here so i gotta give credit where credit's due when somebody does a good job of reporting so let's start out in july early july about july 4th weekend ish 1996 okay yeah so back in time a little bit here 1996 um there's some fishermen who are out uh they're from harrisburg and uh they went out that day that weekend to you know fish that people go out there and fish and you know there's a lot of fish out there yeah deep sea stuff so they pull along they find a giant cooler floating god damn it huge cooler yeah floating full of fish it's just floating in the in the

ocean yeah packed full of their packed full of their allowed take for the day it's just cold cuts and like you know beer cold beer with ice in it and like fuck fish look at this wow this is lunch for like 20 people this is terrific it's a five foot long igloo cooler oh those are expensive too yeah real expensive you see those so they pulled up alongside it and hauled it on in it's see it's empty there's they pull it in it's great it's pretty yeah there's nothing there the top was missing so they could tell there was nothing in it from the start there is a weird hole in the side of it like a like a bullet hole almost oh looks like a bullet hole but they're not can't be positive in the side of it but they said shit it's better you can still

keep fish in it you can put a bunch of ice in it and put fish under it yeah it's a big five gallon tub at this point can't really plug that hole so as the ice melts we're getting water on the boat but it's like it's on the side though so you'd have to put it up real high for it oh you got to get okay all right yeah so they're like fuck it i'm keeping this this cooler keeping the container yes and they hang on to that that cooler for a while now um so that said keep that in mind and let's go back in time a little bit here. Okay. I'm going to read a little bit about Wilmington,

just a paragraph that this Nolan, Jim Nolan wrote here, because it explains a lot of this case here, just in the way the city's set up. It says, quote, at the entrance to town on Delaware Avenue, it announces as a place to be somebody. So that's what it says in Wilmington. That's another motto of theirs, a place to be somebody. So that's what it says in Wilmington. That's another motto of theirs, a place to be somebody.

So four mottos. Wilmington is such a small town that just about everyone has to be somebody for that place to function. Okay. Well, tell that to 10% that ain't working. No shit. No shit. The DuPont company and the 10 and the banking industries drawn to Delaware's corporation friendly tax and finance laws employ much of the workforce, along with its many state government offices. There are a few Irish bars of note where everyone seems to drink a few good Italian restaurants where they dine and no more than a couple of miles separates the half million dollar homes of the state's movers and shakers. Keep in mind, this is written in 1996.

So and the and from the rundown row houses that feed the public schools and are represented in disproportionate numbers in the state criminal justice system. So it's a small town runs. A lot of it runs on favors. And I know this guy and went to school with that guy. For sure. These small cities are very much like that because it's just like a small town jacked up on HGH. But he also describes it as like have everythings and have nothings. Yes. It's a big city, but they crammed it into a small town.

It's a small town, but it has all the trappings of all that kind of thing. So let's talk about some people first here. Okay. Okay, here. Let's talk about, first of all, a young lady. Let's talk about Anne-Marie Fahey. F-A-H-E-Y, Fahey. Yep.

She's born in 1966 from Wilmington. Her family's kind of working class Irishish family that's where she comes from she's the youngest of six kids jesus yeah all born within 12 years of each other too oh man so that is the youngest she's the youngest yeah she's the last one so they were last one since 54 and the oldest is only 12 jesus imagine having six kids 12 and under that sounds insane and one of them's a baby fuck that i don't think so um so she's the baby of the family and people pay attention to her and they don't on her the problem is when she's about seven her mother is diagnosed with cancer and dies when she's eight what What? God, or fast.

Or fast, yeah. Jesus. This is brutal. And we're talking early 70s. So, I mean, cancer treatments are night and day to what they were in 1973. Yeah. That's 50 years ago.

But an aggressive form, and you can't even process that mom has it by the time she's gone. No, you're too little. That's crazy. Her father was a heavy drinker, which did not help any of this. That was his cirrhosis.

He was doing great. Now, when you're not only just you like to drink anyway, but then your wife dies, your young wife dies of cancer and you're left with six children. Anyone will hit the bottle, I think, at that point. You betcha.

He drank very heavily. He used to be an insurance salesman, and he was considered an outgoing guy, but he just fell down the spiral of just depression and grief and drank and got mired in debt. You bet. And just was a mess. The electricity would get cut off all the time. Oh, no. Just was a mess.

The electricity would get cut off all the time. Oh, no. Anne would shower at school because they wouldn't have, like, stuff she needed at home to shower and stuff like that. Her father ended up just moving away at some point. Hold. Yeah, just bye. Taking off. Some of the kids were adults.

Yeah. I mean. Take care of them, would you? I raised half of them. That's enough. I'm out. I did my portion. Your mom was supposed to do her portion, but she's not here. So if the electricity is getting cut off and she has to shower at school, what's the difference?

Anyway, she might as well find somewhere else to live. So she stayed with friends for a while. People felt bad for her friends, parents. They take her in. And then she ended up staying with her older brothers, Kevin and robert jr so she ended up with family at least and the funny thing is later on she had that's a really hard childhood no shit i mean dead mother you know very poor drunk dad taking off on you getting passed around from place to place and that's hard she never really told anybody about it when she was an adult.

Wow. A lot of people, that's all they would talk about. And with her, her friends didn't even know it, like her later on friends. Some people just assume that everybody's like this too. Yeah, and some people try to put it out of their minds to march forward, and they don't want to keep going over it. And then some people like to wallow in things, or they still need to process it. I don't want to keep going over it and then some people like yeah you know to wallow in things or they need to they still need to process it i don't know so a friend of hers said annie never wanted anybody to know about her pain a lot of friends told me they had no idea

about annie's rough childhood that's just how she was also people that are just like it's none of your fucking business yeah that's the other thing too it just wasn't what she wanted to talk about i don't know yeah and talking about it what's that gonna do that's the other thing yeah and maybe she already had talked about it now she's passed and doesn't want to talk about it anymore in may of 1980 near anaheim california dorothy jane scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again, leaving us to wonder,

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Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. So she reconciles with her father in 1984 wow when she is you know about 18 years old she you know they reconcile and then two years later he dies of leukemia wow so yeah that's rough so by the time she's 20 both parents are dead and do you think he had it and that's why he she chose maybe i mean that's possible he might have gotten sick and she he told her about it and then she said well you know bygones

be bygones at this point what's what's what are we gonna how long are we gonna keep this you know into the grave we're gonna keep this going so um she graduated from wesley College in Dover. Wow. And she went to Spain. She spent a semester in Spain while in college. So she's trying to get outside of her comfort zone and her world. And she grows up, too. She's pretty, 5'10". Hell yeah. Nice-looking young lady, too, and confident and smart.

So, yeah, she's doing fine. She gets a degree in international relations which oh wow both of us obviously i mean we obviously both have a degree in international relations but most you know a lot of people don't is the thing i fucked a russian girl once does that count i think so yeah yeah that's a degree in it yeah she wasn't even actually just her parents were Russian. She's not even seen it. She was from Texas, but that's beside the point.

So she went to Washington, D.C., wanting to become a diplomat. That was her goal. So in 1991, though, a friend of hers tells her that her boss, who's a Delaware congressman named Tom Carper, was looking for a receptionist. So she said, OK, that's, you know, in a politician's office, that's in politics. Why not? I'll take the job. So she takes that job. Then Carper gets elected governor of Delaware in 1992. Oh, wow. And she's been there since day one. Not bad bad so she ended up going to wilmington i guess wilmington's the capital of delaware by the way

not dover is it i always thought it was dover for some reason i did too because that's where all the state capital shit is so she comes home she goes to wilmington to work for his office and uh it's pretty cool she thinks she's working she's doing the scheduling for the governor. Right. So, I mean, that's pretty important in this town. Sure on the fuck. Big deal. Let's introduce another person here into this whole mix here.

This is Tom Capano, C-A-P-N-A-O, or A-N-O, A-N-O, sorry, Tom Capano. He's born in 1949, so 17 years older than her uh he's from a pretty good family here um we'll talk about his family there i mean money-wise they're considered pretty good here um his parents are very supportive his mother was alive through his childhood all sorts of you know things like that his father was a carpenter. His father had come to this country in 1923 from Calabria, Italy. And when he was in his early 30s, his father, that's when Tom was born here. He ended up becoming partners with another Wilmington contractor and formed the Consolidated Construction Company. Yep. Which turns out to be a fucking

moneymaker you bet a real moneymaker especially in a town that's growing and you can just start putting cabinets and everything well and world war ii is about to come up too so there's that too if you have any kind of factory you're getting fat government contracts to make something you know what i mean so that's a great thing for them so he eventually his dad tom's dad eventually buys out his partner and becomes one of the biggest builders in the states customizing and custom homes specializing in custom homes so they're yeah they have money they do very well dad builds a huge colonial mansion here um in an area called Brandywine 100, which is a very exclusive area. Oh, I knew just by the sound.

Brandywine 100. You don't have to say anything more. That could either be a really affluent neighborhood or the projects. Brandywine 100, motherfucker, what's up? Cabrini Green sounds nice. Yeah, that sounds better than Brandywine 100. That sounds like... Sounds like a hundred row houses.

Yeah, Brandywine 100. It's a hundred project buildings. I think Nas used to rap about that in the 90s, I believe, before they tore Greensbridge down. Or it's a hundred acres of nothing but white people. Very affluent, rich, boat-owning white people. Fuck yeah. So dad is Louis Capano, and he spoiled the kids.

They all went to expensive, all the top Catholic schools in the area. They went to their summers at the Jersey Shore, as the law requires Italians to do once in a while. We can't help it. We're told. If you go a certain amount, they'll just knock on your door and be like, how many years since you've been to the Jersey Shore? And we're like, okay, we're packing. Okay.

We're getting the floaties. All right. Leave us the fuck alone. At least every three years. We're coming. Okay. Spring or summer, take your pick. I went when I was a kid.

That's plenty of time. That's where we went. So everybody said Thomas was his father's favorite also. So he's the favorite son of the rich, successful dad here. He did very well in school. He's a very hardworking guy, Tom. He did great in school. His brothers didn't do as well as him in school.

His brothers were. Is that right? Yeah, they were more of like the kind of from what i gather the typical kind of rich kids where they're like it doesn't matter i'm like what the fuck do i need to get a's for i can always go work for my dad always go be some dipshit vice president of his company and make a hundred grand a year and sure that's what they thought so he though wanted something more and tom was very much into uh you know academics and things like that he also was a star football player and he was on the track team as well so doing very well for himself his father was so proud of him he bought him a brand new sports

car as well what kind oh yeah don't know we don't know that but we know it's just something expensive and this was in the early 70s so something fucking awesome something with a kick-ass or like yeah yeah so you know a big motor rear-wheel drive blower scoop something loud fucking loud that's something we really like a camaro or something. Something cool. Something you can't hear the stereo over at about 5,000 RPMs. Yeah. Also, Tom completes undergraduate and gets his law school degree as well at Boston College in 1974. Wow. So, yeah, doing great.

He's doing it. He really is. A former teacher of his said, quote, he was a shining star. Oh, boy. And not only that, he had a girlfriend in high school and ended up marrying his high school sweetheart as well. Why the fuck not? Why not be so perfect? Her name, Kay Ryan.

Kay. Which, Kay Ryan, I know it's not, but it might as well be Diane Keaton's character name in The Godfather. It's so typical. This guinea's going to go out there and be like, I'm going to find a nice... I don't want freckles. I don't know what it is. I'm going to find me a nice Irish girl. It's such a strange thing that we have about that.

I'm married to an Irish girl with freckles, so I understand. You did it. That's the way it is. It just happens. We don't know why. So they get married out of school, and he starts his law career here. Yeah. First, he's a public defender, which a lot of lawyers are public defenders at first because it's a good way to get experience, and they'll hire you if you're fresh out of law school.

And it looks fucking great on a resume. Yeah, yeah. It looks good, and it throws you right into a resume yeah yeah it looks good and it's it's it throws you right into the deep end of the legal system if you want to deal with criminal law uh then he's becomes a prosecutor after that right switches teams yeah he got which a lot of people do because once you get and then what they do the weird part is they start out in the public defender's office then they become prosecutors for 15 years. Then they quit that office and get a high-paying defense job. One of those pay lawyer jobs.

Yeah, they defend like RICO cases for drug dealers and shit after that because they know the whole system. And it's guaranteed money. Oh, that's where the money is. Once they're like 50, they're like, okay, now I got to make money. I've done all this. Now let's get cracking. Now I want to yacht. I want to buy a beach house now.

This is ridiculous. I did a lot of school. So they moved, the parents, or him and his wife Kay, moved into the Bishop of Wilmington's former house. Like the Catholic Bishop? The Catholic Bishop of Wilmington. So that's probably a nice house. And I'd imagine there's a couple of gold fixtures in it once in a while. Probably.

You're probably right. Yeah. A ruby here or there. Maybe there's a thing or two that's gaudy. Yeah, absolutely. And also right across the street is the former governor. That's his house across the street. So that's nice.

It's an affluent neighborhood. Him and his wife have four daughters together. Four daughters? Four daughters. Cranking them out. What a curse. One after the other. He's rolling the dice every time.

Okay, another one. Okay, that's fine. Two's fine. Two's fine. And we're not saying you don't want any daughters, but you don't want four of anything. I wouldn't want four boys or four girls. I wouldn't want four sons. No.

Fuck no. Four sons? Are you kidding me? No. Nothing works in works in this house i keep them in a pit i keep them in a pit like under the house that's where i keep four sons why do none of the door handles work they'd just be beating each other up in a pit wearing like loincloths and beating each other with sticks the door handle's just loose and if you close the door, it latches, and the door handle doesn't work. Doesn't work.

We just throw some meat in the pit every once in a while. So, yeah, they're doing all of that, and he, then after that, he starts, while he's being a prosecutor, he also gets into the politics of everything here, of the city. He wants to be involved in the politics, kind of a political organizer is an advisor to some people running for office and all that sort of thing well that's also some baptism by fire uh for for politics because there's politics involved with like people getting prosecuted and then as the prosecutor you're like i'm not gonna fucking prosecute that why just because the fucking mayor wants it there's that and also he knows everybody is the other thing he's been as if you work as a defense attorney and a prosecutor you meet everybody in

power and government so you end up uh you know doing that he helps elect daniel frawley the mayor in 1984 works on his campaign and he he gets, people start saying he's, he convinces, he can like broker shit. Got a knack for this shit. He's good at brokering things. He's a deal maker type guy. He can convince, he gets big banks to come in to, they give him credit for this.

I mean, the laws got them to want to go to Delaware, but he kind of funneled them toward the high rise office buildings in Wilmington and said, you guys should move in here. He then works on the re-election campaign for Frawley in 1988. It's a landslide re-election win. So then he quits all of this to work for the family business now, which is Louis Capano and Sons, the construction, the big contracting business. So one of his tasks here is the problem.

His brother, his other brother, Louie Jr. here, he was running the firm, and he's got a real problem on his hands that his brother here is trying to help him out with. Now, Tom is a, you know, he knows a lot of people in government and knows all the courts people, so he's a guy you need in this situation. The problem is his brother Louie was involved in an FBI sting operation. What's Louie doing? To nab two city councilmen trying to extort $100,000 in exchange for votes favorable to the business. So he was doing that. Quote-unquote lobby but like the shitty way but like in a paper bag with cash it's a different kind of lobbying the ugly lobby it's

called bribery as a matter of fact i believe allegedly yeah that's that's i don't think there's a that's i think that's the word for it that we're looking i think you're right yeah yeah so uh he capano made a legal this is louis now made a legal campaign contributions to one of the men but no charges were ever filed against him so he might have got his brother out of that it might have been a shitty case we don't know um then there was a this was by the way not the first time he's had to help his brothers out years before his brother had been charged with the same brother louis who's running the firm he's a good kid charged with throwing a chair through the glass door of his sister's house and choking his brother-in-law in a dispute over money

my god that's wild shit right there like that's a fun easter that is a great thanksgiving well it's almost like if you name your kid after yourself and show some fucking pride it's almost like crime and sports taught us nothing is what it is if you've not listened to crime and sports inordinate amount of people are either juniors or name their kids junior and it never turns out well never never good so it's it's very weird here so that's what's going on he's trying to now help his family and all that kind of thing um he leaves the family business in 1990 though so he only works for them for a couple years i think it was just to get his brother helped get him out of trouble stabilize everything and then move on sort it out and get out yeah sort it out and get out here so

in 1990 he becomes the governor's legal counsel governor castle okay yeah so it's his legal counsel so now he's the governor's legal counsel he's doing pretty well for himself yeah retained by the governor fuck yeah he's doing great um he's making, because he's doing private practice stuff too, because he's in a private practice. It's not a government job. He's making $250,000 a year at the time, which is big money in 1996. Big money now, but I mean, even then, huge, huge money, even bigger. He's thinking about maybe running for attorney general. Why?

Yeah, I mean, why not? I know all the politics. I'm an attorney. This is kind of, he's kind of made for it. His friends, though, said, maybe not. Maybe you shouldn't. They said, you know, first of all. Scrutiny.

Well, they said, you don't really have the temperament to do that. You're not really a, hey, how's it going? Love, how's the wife and kids kind of guy? And that's kind of, you have to be full of shit to be in politics. Let's be realistic here. You got to be a politician. you have to be full of shit to be in politics let's be realistic here you gotta be a politician you gotta be a politician and they said your name also carries a little baggage with it does it a little bit of baggage considering well the main problem was because this is like 1992 and uh the main issue isn't his one brother it's his other brother

his other brother kind of sullied the name a little bit the year before in 1991 louis fucks it up enough but then the other brother joey comes in and fucks it up a little more joseph uh was charged with kidnapping and raping a 27 year old woman with whom he had a nine-year relationship how does he have such degenerate brothers because they're ne'er-do-well rich kid shitbags that's boy are they fuck-ups they They're all Anthony Juniors is what they are. Yeah, yeah. The rest of his brother, they're fucking three Anthony Juniors. It's ridiculous.

Wow. That's a Sopranos reference if you don't know. But Anthony Junior, they spoiled him. They gave him the truck. He didn't want to do anything. Trying to get him just to go to Rutgers and fucking be a good kid. Just go somewhere. Go to community college.

They didn't care. Just go hang out at the strip club and drink beer, AJ. And he's like, I don't want to. hang out at the strip club and drink beer aj and he's like i don't want to like what the fuck tits and beer so um he's later joseph pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault charges so misdemeanor assault he got from the worst rape and kidnapping as if he just slapped a woman misdemeanor assault you can get in a shoving match outside of 7-eleven tomorrow and you'll get charged with misdemeanor assault that is a distance from rape and kidnap so we don't know what happened there uh one of his friends here

kevin friel who is a big into the political scene around here he said I told him it'd be a lot easier if you just changed your last name. Yeah. Just be a different person. Yeah. Fuck it. The problem is, though, he's also got some issues, Tom. He looks great on the outside, but he's got some other issues as well. He's had some problems with women in the past.

Now, keep in mind, he's been married since like 1974, but that doesn't matter with this fucking guy. Yeah, how could you have problems with women? Yeah, fuck that. So it's a little bit weird. Now, years before all of this, I guess there's a woman

who was a secretary for a Wilmington attorney and, you know, was around her, was around a friend of hers. And she introduced Tom to her friend. And the woman said she didn't want to go out with Tom. OK, this is 1977. So he's been married like three years. He began pressuring the woman to go out with him, not only to go out with him, to have

sex with him. Oh, boy. And the secretary said, I'm engaged. I don't want to have sex with you oh don't worry i'm married it's fine he's like yeah i have like i'm gonna have a bunch of kids and shit it doesn't even matter at all i got four daughters he went to her wedding she was engaged she wasn't lying she went he went to her wedding because all the office people went and then even after she was married was persistently bothering her to have sex with him.

My word. She clearly is not interested. She's literally marrying a man. Wait till his dick falls out of favor at least. You were there when I stood in front of a holy man and took vows and shit. Yeah. Wait till I don't want him to fucking jump up and down on me anymore and then we'll talk about it maybe. Give this marriage a few years to get old.

Yeah. So it's insane. So he answers this with a stream of harassing phone calls to her. Oh, man. She's really at home, at work, in the middle of the night, in the middle of the day. Oh, Jesus. He tried to get her to come work for him him which is the last thing you'd want to do now he controls your paycheck too that's crazy come sit in front of me for eight hours a day

while i a control your paycheck and be sexually molest you with my eyes yeah just to send you i got a memo for you here it is oh no i'm not gonna, never mind. This is Xerox of your penis, sir. Yeah. This is not a memo. Yeah. So she said no, and she tried to. She didn't want to talk to him anymore, but he became even more persistent. Yeah. And he would follow her to her car. He would watch her from his office window.

His family owned the apartment complex where she lived. I don't even know if she knew the family owned it. They own a lot of shit. He tried to have her evicted from the apartment complex because she's married. To show her that he could.

He told her, quote, this is my town, my state. What? Wait, no, this is my town, my state. What? Wait, no. This is my town? What are you, Lucky Luciano? What the fuck are you talking about? This isn't your town.

This isn't your town. Yeah. And he said that if you don't want to go out with me, you should just get out or you'll be sorry. Get out of town. Yeah. Like it's a Western. My town. I'm Montgomery Gentry.

She decided that she wasn't going to be pushed out of town by this fucking demented John Wayne character. Right. And said no. So in September of 1980, he contacted a guy who he thought was a thug who he wanted to like mess with her turns out the guy was actually a confidential informant for the fbi oh no so he told this person that he was you know crazy about this woman he loved her he couldn't live without her and he said i love her i'm crazy about her I can't live without her. Hurt that bitch.

That's exact. Quote, unquote, hurt that bitch. Stab her for me. Very. I hate to see if he didn't like you. This is amazing. Hurt that bitch. Hurt that bitch.

I love her. Hurt her bad. Wow. He said. Don't send her flowers hurt that bitch he even gave her a couple gave the guy a couple suggestions of maybe how to do it he said you could just like knock her over the head you know while she's walking you could you know run up and clock her one and she'll fall down just to give her a hint or maybe run her over with your car oh my god that's how she'll knock her right out of the road she'll get the idea then almost murder everything that's what it is it's almost murder he's like a mobster who she owes a hundred grand to like can't don't kill him because i want my money but i don't know any business he doesn't understand how this works i don't think no so. So the guy said, are you serious?

Or, you know, do you want her killed? And he said, no, I couldn't live with that, as we told this FBI informant. I don't want her killed. Just hurt that bitch. Yeah. That's it. Quote me. So no physical harm ever came to her. He continued.

So he just kept with the harassing phone calls. He just would bother her all the time and try to harass her. She eventually moved out of state, basically. She took it easy. The calls even continued then, and then eventually he gave up. But years this went on. This started in 77. By 80, he was talking about hurting that bitch.

She never fucked him. For three years, he stalked and harassed this woman, and she never did anything to invite it whatsoever, which is crazy. She left the state. She had to leave. So now, around the 90s here, Tom meets Anne-Marie. Okay. Okay.

Anne-Marie works for the governor. He works around politics. This is how it goes. So she meets him, and he is working at the as the head of the wilmington office of saul ewing remick and saul and uh he's the governor's legal counsel and this work often takes him to the governor's office where she is his scheduler and marie so that's how they come in he's she's you know young she's got some troubles as well she's got like an eating disorder some emotional instability and stuff like that but you know she's you know young she's got some troubles as well she's got like an eating disorder some

emotional instability and stuff like that but you know she's figuring it out she's had a very tough anybody exactly get bent through her shit's gonna have some flaws here and there she's gonna have some stuff going on but she's doing fine for herself she's right you know she's holding her her life together as a single person and everything and And this guy, he's still married and has four kids, mind you. Right. How the fuck do you have time to harass somebody when you're married with four kids? What about the dance recital, man? I mean, dude, what are you, like, doing this from Little League games?

Hold on, I got to go use a pay phone and go, you fucking bitch. Okay, come on, sweetie. Hit that ball. How do you have time for that shit? So, yeah, this is how it's going on um one day anne marie um she would usually this is the other thing too she would fold her her dirty clothes which is strange she's very neat hold when she puts it in the in the hamper she folds it up first yes all of her clothes are folded nicely in her hamper which would be very difficult to tell what's clean and what's dirty for me so that would be hard for me that's like you gotta you gotta you're pulling all that shit apart anyway

to sort it she's sorting it while she does it it's gonna not be folded in the machine i i assume it's gonna go all over the place so she's just folding clothes all day. All of her shoes were in their original boxes stacked in their closet in order of certain orders she had. She's that much of a neat freak. Yeah, she's very much like that. Her friends called her, quote, anal Annie, which is a coincidence because that is also an award at the Adult Video Awards, I'm pretty sure. The Anal Annie Award, I believe, is for best gaping scene, I'm sure. Every year the newest starlet is told, that name's already taken.

You're no Anal Annie, sweetheart. That's what they tell her. I know you're all cocky right now, all full of yourself. All cock strong. Cocky and full of yourself. Both anal and so, um, but you know,

it's just cause of her, her not anal retentive, like butt sex. She might, I don't fucking know, but that's not, it's really pretty pointless or beside the point at this moment. So she said that she didn't know if she'd ever meet the right guy.

Um, she's only in her 20s. I mean, there's no reason to panic here. This is fine. Calm down. Then in the summer of 93, Tom asks her out to lunch. Tom. Tom.

He's been married, you know, 20 years or so. Yeah. Four daughters. But she says yes. She'll go out with him because he seems charming. He comes in all the time and she talks to him all the time. And it's just a lunch? It's just lunch.

Yeah, he didn't say lunch of my penis. That's what we're serving. It's like you are not lunch. Al dente penis is what we're having this afternoon. Pesto al dente penis. Enjoy. So the summer of 1993, and she's single. She's available, and she's pretty and tall, and she's pretty and tall and she um you know she just got

out of a long-term relationship too so you know that's going well they have a dinner date in the summer of 93 so apparently the lunch went well lunch went to dinner it moves on to dinner at the ristorante panorama in philadelphia fucking yeah so very nice and they have their first kiss that night and everything else. Yeah, it's getting a little bit more than that. And from there, he really takes charge of the relationship. If they're going to dinner, he's going to order the wine and the food. She'll have this. I'll have this.

We'll have a bottle of this. Yeah, he's one of those guys. Weird, I like to call that. Don't tell me what i'm eating i get if he said like we gotta have this wine because it's terrific i've had it before and you're gonna love it we'll have this that's different she'll have that is a weird thing to say i stopped i stopped ordering for my daughter when she was about five and a half i'd say you gotta tell them what you want now so my daughter tells me what she wants and i i get because she doesn't even want to talk to these people that yeah i have to say what she wants but i'm not telling the people she will have this

because i said so it's creepy right that's bizarre and you'll have this because it goes with this is even weirder i think yeah you're gonna have that we're gonna have this wine now pick something that goes with fucking chardonnay that's well yeah well you could pick the some people pick the wine before the food or the food before the wine but yeah really yeah i guess it depends because if you really want if you go out and you're like i really want fish then you're gonna have white but if you want really want red wine then you're gonna go i'm not gonna order the fish because i got red i'm gonna order or if you're an uncultured piece of shit, you just drink it, whatever you want. You just cross-pollinate that shit.

The other thing, and I will say this, number one, he's 17 years older than her as well. And I didn't know, besides when I got a job at a fucking restaurant selling wine, before that I didn't know dick about wine. So that's another thing. And she's an irish girl he's an italian guy you might know a little bit more about an italian wine at ristorante panorama possibly also that's all she might just say fucking uh whiskey neat please we're not having baileys that's not what we're drinking sorry we'll have a bottle of the pinot noir thank you yeah so their dinner dates would mainly be in Philly.

They just go to Philly because, you know, it's not town. It's not where people will see them. He won't be seen. Exactly. But they're like in Philly. They walk around like they're, you know, immune to anybody seeing them. They don't give a fuck. They're going to the, you know, places people go, the popular hot spots and shit like that.

go the popular hot spots and shit like that he's buying her expensive drinks our expensive gifts and uh dresses giving her cash and giving her plane tickets to go with him places how i don't know how he's hiding this from his wife i have no idea how he's doing that but do you i mean unless you put it all on credit cards and then just pay a credit card bill not that's probably what it is or just it goes to his office, like in Mad Men, the private executive account where the bills go to the office. It's one of those things. I think he's probably got that, I'm sure. Also, his wife seems to have a real don't-ask-don't-tell policy

going on about what goes on at home. She might be jacked about the situation. That's what I mean. He might be a pain in the ass. She's happy to have him out of the house. I'm not sure, but she's got a real kind of of carmella soprano like i don't know yeah he's out he's he works very hard i don't know as long as he as long as the bills are paid and he you know i don't care what he does out there type of deal so or maybe not but uh also there's cash she

he would give her uh why he would come you know he'd come over to her apartment with like expensive gifts and expensive wine and they'd sit in their on her apartment sofa and drink expensive wine and all that kind of thing um her brother mark said the fact that he had money i hate to say it but she probably looked at his financial status as a security thing yeah and there's that dead dad thing so you yeah oh yeah you know there's all kind of gone dad thing also there's that that dead dad thing so you yeah oh yeah you know the gone dad thing also there's a lot of psychological reasons for god her to like an older guy that has money and is secure but yeah you know this might not be the right guy like find one that's not married is the problem regardless of who it hurts because this is not just detrimental to his family it's

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than murder is afoot, and someone is watching Ruth. With an all-star cast led by Emmy nominee Sanaa Lathan and Star Wars Kelly Marie Tran, Chinook is available exclusively and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. There's a lot of, her friend Kim said he treated her like a princess. He cared about every detail of her day of her life. So he really has a lot of time in his day. He's certainly invested in this. Four kids and a wife and you have time to manage the details of someone else's life.

Treat a 28 year old as a princess? How? Wow. You got five of them at home. That's what I i mean i don't know how you're doing it there's a lot of email messages that go back and forth between the governor's office and legal and the law firm between the two of them and um he would keep copies of the notes in his briefcase he would print out the emails and keep them in his briefcase yeah very personal there were times where they'd sneak away for long lunches and you know not go come back after lunches and afternoon times where they

go to her apartment where at the time she had two roommates as well i don't know if they were at work or listening in or what but um the problem is i don't know this guy must not sleep because not only is there this relationship and he's married and he has four kids and he's a lawyer, which seems like that's a lot of work probably too. He's got another girlfriend as well. What? This girlfriend he's been carrying on an affair with since 1981. 15 years of this affair now. He's really Tony. He is is that's what i mean this is his gumar because they all all the guys have a gumar and this guy he's a he's a mob guy like i feel great about this

episode because i know i know a lot about what's going on here this is very familiar and all he's a mob guy he's got a gumar on the side. And now he's looking for another one. He's got other ones that come in and out of his life. But a lot of these old mob guys would have the real old school thing to do was have like a second wife, basically, a Gamar was. She's got an apartment. Some of these guys had kids with them and everything. They had a whole separate life they'd go to, like Vincent da Cingigante did that and all these guys. It was a big deal.

So he's doing that. And even non-mobsters do that. It's a weird Italian thing that I don't understand it of the older generations that it was accepted to. My grandmother once told my mother, what man doesn't fuck around? That's what she said. But why do these women care? She'd say but you have a nice house

this that but what do you care what he does that was what she said out loud and we were all like what is wrong with you are you kidding me

she came around before AIDS James yeah what do you care what he does that is wild I don't know I don't want my pussy

to rot out yeah I mean your pussy would rot out in the 50s and 60s. They didn't even have shit to fix it. It would just rot right out. It was worse then. Christ almighty.

It's weird. So the other woman, her name is Deborah McIntyre. Yeah. And McIntyre and Capano have been having this affair since 81. This is how she is described by Jim Nolan here. Quote, she was independently wealthy and attractive without being beautiful. A short, well-built woman, she swam to stay in shape but lacked Fahey's striking features. So she's not 5'10 and

statuesque like Anne Marie. She's also older. That's the other thing. They've been together since Anne Marie was a fucking, you know, literally in the fucking ninth grade. That's when they were been together since. She also dresses more conservatively because she's a school administrator. She works at a

school. Fuck. So she's pretty buttoned down. Don't think she's not a freak at night, though, because we'll talk about that. Debbie will get into some shit. Here's the thing, James. He's finding all these chicks that dress real nice during the day. God damn it. It's a mystery what's under there. And he figures it out.

Those are the ones he meets, because those are who he's around. I mean, he's around professional situations. Plus, like Tony Soprano wanted to fuck Dr. Melfi. Yeah. Because it's hot. Yeah. I want to know what you look like under there.

Yeah, plus success and confidence is attractive to people. It is. It's just attractive. Now, Tom said about her, about McIntyre, he would boast to his friends

that she had as strong a sex drive as any woman I ever met. She enjoyed sex very, very, very much, as much as I did, he told a friend. Yeah. Into it. And we know he's horny as fuck, as we've realized.

Yeah. She, he said that she introduced him to porn. Oh. To really getting into porn. Like really dirty shit. Yeah, because if you came up beforehand, porn wasn't accessible to the public at home and shit until the late 70s, early 80s,

when you could get videotapes. Before that, you had to go jerk off in a theater around other people like a lunatic. You had to be a special kind of fucking horn dog to do that shit. and you had to really have some blinders to like block out the guy next to you other people whacking it that is crazy yeah it's not just you jerking off it's another guy right there doing the same thing you know either that or you had to get like a 16 millimeter film and hang a sheet on your wall and who the

hell is going to jerk off the the film fucking go and that's not not helping another real shit that's not helping oh fuck that second reel this really gets going i'll tell you what so also introduced him as he said he he claims she introduced him to three-way sex as well meaning she would bring people that's what he says but she will later dispute that um she doesn't dispute that they watched porno and had sex with other people but she wasn't the one who brought all this in she's he's acting like i was just innocent babe in the woods and she came in with her fucking yeah with a porn in one hand and a whip in the other and was like let's get it on bitch it's already principal and nothing but high heels and a whip high heels a whip and a one of those suit jackets that they wear but no underwear dragging two friends with her yeah come on now

she talked about their first time alone together was in the bathroom of a friend's house on new year's eve when both her husband at the time and his wife were both also in the bathroom of a friend's house on new year's eve when both her husband at the time and his wife were both also in the house oh my so these two both get off on the sleaze and the let's not get caught of it it's the danger it's the danger that's what they're into yeah absolutely this could ruin my entire life and yours let's do it it's it's a yeah it's high wire act sex yeah that's what this is let's say wow yeah that makes it hotter if we can our lives can be destroyed over it that's great it is kind of hot well every people are it's exciting people don't want to get caught yeah she also said talked about the first time they had sex, it was on the floor of his den in his house during a Memorial Day weekend when his wife was away visiting relatives.

Jesus. So he had her over to the crib there. Just showed her his den and his dick. Yeah, his dick. He had a bearskin rug, I'm sure. There's something on the floor. Yeah. I'm sure.

There's something on the floor. Yeah. Eventually they would hook up on a weekly basis, sometimes even more, at the Motel 6 on Route 9 near the Delaware Memorial Bridge. Good Lord. Oh, yeah. The danger is just they don't even care about that anymore. Well, they're just stopping at this shit motel that none of those people would go to. Nobody they know would go there. That's not dangerous at all.

No, it's just an affair after a while. It's just good fucking pretty soon. Yeah, this is guaranteed sex. It's just crazy. We're watching porn with two other people in the room. Sex at that point. So he had the keys to her house. He had the code to her alarm.

He could come by anytime he wanted unannounced and just like he lived there basically. He was likeony stopped by his girlfriend's houses all the time or don draper would stop by midge's house in first season there while she's doing artwork and shit same thing um she of course didn't have a key to his house and couldn't go there unless his wife was out of town and he invited her and she was absolutely not allowed to leave messages on his answering machine which is just common sense if you're gonna have an affair yeah you want to fuck this up or what?

Yeah. This is pre, you know, everybody having cell phones here. Yeah. I thought you liked sex very, very, very, very, very much. Yeah. Fucking don't leave a message. Yeah. So apparently one time he ended the affair at one point and she ended up getting them

back together. She said, I would have loved to have him leave his wife for me, but I became satisfied with what we had. I figured the relationship we had made me feel so good that I could live with what we had. She was happy being a gumar. That was all there was to it. She was like, this is nice. He buys me shit,

comes over, fucks me, and leaves. We go out to dinner, he fucks me, and then him and whoever else was here leaves. Then him and everybody else gets out. And him and all the other naked people put their clothes on and go home. And I get to sleep. Yeah.

So by summer of 94, Anne-Marie had moved into her own apartment. It was kind of a rundown apartment on the second floor of a building. it was kind of a run-down apartment on the second floor of a building uh he helps her though by buying her a 32 inch tv which in 1994 was that's a big that's a big screen basically at 94 outside of a projection that's about as big as you're gonna get that's like expensive that was like probably 800 in 1994 we had a 27 the whole living room could see it it's crazy i remember when my dad got a 27 i was like whoa look at this motherfucker he bought it on a sunday and i was like football is gonna be insane today like i was jacked for 27 inch crt and i was in like 92 on the lord's day he brought that to you doing the lord's work is what he's doing also bought her like an espresso

machine and a fancy mixer and you know all the fancy shit that she wasn't going to be able to afford herself people started to there's rumors though i mean you can only go so long without people that's getting out yeah they're both you know people behave around people people pick up on shit like that but everybody they swore they swear all their friends to secrecy please don't say anything please don't say anything are you fucking her shut up some of her siblings would be like all of a sudden she had this expensive wardrobe and all this shit but they just figured that she was trying to up her look for her job you know what i mean she works in the governor's office now her sister said there's this big tv in her living room 32 inch by the way this big tv huge i mean but that was like i can't believe it when you walked into someone's house and all of

a sudden they had that you go damn where'd you get that thing that's fucking gorgeous yeah he said i she said i asked her where she got it she said she won it yes she did raffles said she won it. Yes, she did. Raffles. Yeah, she won it. All right. She said later on, she said, now things do make sense. She knew I wouldn't approve, is what her sister said once she found out later. Now, by the beginning of 1995, she's having a tough time with him because he's starting to be very demanding now. Yeah. He doesn't.

And Marie is? Yeah. On The Sopran sopranos when he had the original russian girlfriend she said something about some other guy and he said what you do on your own time is none of my none of my concern i don't fucking care when you're with me i don't give that's the one thing she this isn't how his attitude is at all really his attitude is i own you because i bought you shit i'm the one and i'm the one. And I'm the one here. So he started to be very jealous. He didn't want her to go to the shore with her friends.

You know, he wanted her to stay out of this pub where all of her family used to go and hang out and a bunch of her friends went. Whenever she would dress in anything like low cut or anything, he would say, you look like a whore. Very nice. It's pretty silly. He also got angry. Define whore, sir, you son of a bitch. Cleavage is showing in his case.

Yeah, but it's just like, dude, you're literally giving me things and money in exchange for sex. What are you trying to call me here? He wants to own her. That's it. He thinks in his mind he's buying her. He got pissed off when he repeatedly asked her to come work for the family business for his brother.

And she said no. And he got pissed off at that too. Now there's another problem. In the middle of 1995, he starts another affair as well. How? How much jizz do you have? People usually only juggle with three balls. He's already got four going on now.

This is crazy. This is insanity. Yeah, he's got a wife and three girlfriends now. So this is Susan Louth. She's a secretary at the construction firm, his family's construction firm, who started having an affair with him in the middle of 1995. Then, this is all going on, then in late 1995, Tom leaves his wife. Good. Okay.

Now, around this time, Tom and Anne-Marie are starting to kind of drift apart a little bit because he's got other girlfriends and, you know, his time can only be spread so thin. She starts dating another man. Okay. A single man, an unmarried man named Michael Scanlon, who's a banker with MBNA, who had been introduced to her by her boss, the governor. The governor said, here's a nice young man for you yeah you should talk to him so that's what they do so she never tells the scanlon about uh tom though because she didn't want to mess that relationship up here um but her sister said she told me she hoped to marry him that he was was it, meaning this other guy, Scanlon. Uh-huh, MBNA guy.

Yeah, the banker guy. So the problem is Tom isn't quite ready to let her go completely yet, obviously. Yeah. He tells her friends that she ruined his life and that he left his he left his wife for her and now she was rejecting him he has two other girlfriends at least these are the ones we know about who knows what else he's got going on cooking you know what i mean you didn't leave your wife for her she wouldn't answer his emails he offered to buy her a new lexus and she said no he offered her a free apartment in one of the complexes his family owns she said no he offered her a free apartment in one of the complexes his family

owns she said no he bought her plane tickets to europe she said no yeah guess what those are hints no you know those are the biggest hints you can get she's saying no to you a lot to a luxury car no so she at one point talked to her friend saying i wonder if i'm gonna have to get out of town to get away from this fucking guy because he won't leave me alone and he's always in the office because he's the governor's you know that's how it works he would tell her that's my tv in your apartment i bought you those dresses i'm the only one who's allowed to see you in those dresses because i paid for them he said even the groceries I bought you in your fridge are mine. Everything's mine that I bought you.

I ate and shat those three months ago. The ones you have right now that I dropped off. Mine. Yeah, I have an Instacart in every day. Hey, don't touch those grapes. They're mine. Stop it. Those cotton candies, don't you dare.

That provolone is mine. Leave it alone. I'm going to weigh it. It better be a half pound when I pick it up again. So one day he barged into her apartment and started taking things. This is mine. I think this is the one I bought for you. You're going to take that.

He's got the paddle ball. He said, quote, no man is going to watch the TV that I gave you or see you in the dresses I gave you. Jesus. No other man's eyes will watch this TV. It's ridiculous. Think about saying that. How dumb would you feel saying that? With a straight face, could you say that?

No man's eyes shall watch a football game on this TV. He eventually brought it all back, though. Okay. Because he said he felt bad. He felt the shame. As soon as he got in his car. That's not going to help. She's not coming back because you stole all her shit.

She's not going to come back to you to get her TV back. That's probably not going to happen. So he told all of her friends that he loves her and all of this shit. It's a lot. It's a lot. All of this shit. It's a lot. It's a lot.

So Anne-Marie, by now, some time goes by. We're in 1996. Everybody says she became a little more gaunt. Her eating disorder had kicked in a little bit more, possibly from the stress. She lost a lot of weight, looked pretty skinny. Her therapist gave her Prozac for her depression yeah around this time as well and um also he tom claimed she spoke of suicide around this time too but nobody else knows said that uh she told um she would tell all her friends that he was crazy so he'd say she said she wants to kill herself and she would say he's insane okay okay no he's crazy one time he drove anne marie to his house against her will that's called kidnapping

it is that's called well he learned it from his brother which is he's great at it taking a person from one location to another against their will is the definition of kidnapping it's exactly what kidnapping is and pulled into the garage and locked the definition of kidnapping. It's exactly what kidnapping is. And pulled into the garage and locked the doors of the car, refusing her to let her get out until she heard him out. That's called false imprisonment. Like this is... Inside...

That's terrifying. Yeah. And he's like, the car's running too. You better hope I get to the end of it before we pass out. No, I'm not saying that actually happened, but that's what it would seem like. He's's oh might as well take it that far here so he would did that he lists she'd listen to him he eventually let her go he would hang out outside her apartment just saying please let me in and she wouldn't let him in um so into, into the spring, he starts calling her less and less often, kind of goes away a little bit, kind of fades away, and she starts to think she's good now.

In her diary on April 7th, 1996, she wrote, I have finally brought closure to Tom Capano. What a controlling, manipulative, insecure,ulative insecure jealous maniac she says not a ringing endorsement at all i wouldn't yeah that's not uh yeah you don't want to you don't want to put that like on your website at the time yeah i'm tom capano if you called another employer and said why did he leave and they read that to you you're not hiring that guy probably not yeah um he's obviously still dating you know debbie mcintyre he's got susan the secretary and the school teacher he's got here um there's a lot going on here um he even at one point re-established contact with the lady who he uh tried to pay somebody to run over with a car.

Okay, yeah. Also. There's a lot here. Now, February 1996, he told his brother Gerard he had a problem. Told Jerry there's an issue. He's got another brother. Yeah, he's got a bunch of brothers here. There's Jerry, there's Louie, there's Robert, the other one, Junior. Yeah, Joey.

He said a man and a woman were trying to extort him. So he's trying. He said, can I borrow a handgun for protection? I'm afraid they're going to try to do something to me. So Tom also asked Gerard here. Now, Gerard is the one he's kind of considered the craziest of the group of the brother group here. He said, do you know anyone I could hire to break someone's legs as well? I'm looking for a handgun and also a leg breaker. If you can point me in the right direction. Everything else in my life is going great. Those are the two things I need.

That's that's it. And he also said, if I have to, say, kill these extortionists to protect my family, you know, they come to my house and I have to shoot them could I possibly use your boat if I need to at that point yeah and Jerry yeah I mean whatever you know what I mean it's cool brother's a brother the brothers are brother yeah you have to do that and it's a it's just an Italian thing if someone comes up to you that you're related to and says I need your boat and you have to let him do it just one of those things it's the law of the old country. I may never get this boat back, but OK.

No way to stop it. You just have to do it. It may be confiscated by law enforcement someday. All right. Enjoy. If I had a boat, my brother came to me. I'd be like, fine. You know what I mean?

Like, I have to. Fill it up when you bring it back. Great. Thanks. Yeah. Don't fuck it up, please. Come on, man. Don't run it aground.

But you have to. Yeah, don't fuck it up, please. Come on, man. Don't run it aground. But you have to. Yeah. So in April 1996, Anne-Marie agrees to see Tom here, agrees to see him in May at one point. She said goodbye to him in April. So that was the end of it. Then she starts talking to him again and agrees to see him in May for one day. One day she sent an email to him and signed it i signed it love you so that's odd yeah during this time but if you do you do i yeah i guess but that's probably the wrong signal to send a stalker yeah you've just gotten to stop stalking

you perhaps you did a tongue-in-cheek that's weird if you want the cats to stop coming to your back door stop putting out cat food yeah you know i'm not saying that she was putting out cat food to begin with but then all the cats went away and she said oh no i kind of missed the cats she shouldn't have put out a rat feed yeah it's weird so another day then she told him it was over another day so this kind of they were just having a i don't know she might have said a cat maybe she signs all of her fucking stuff with all of her friends like that i don't know you know what i mean that's the other thing another day she told him it was over and he responded by calling her a slut and a bitch yeah and uh grabbing her throat before

she jumped out of the car yeah i mean those are it's over at that point right it's done yeah uh then in april he went to the sports authority on concord pike and paid 180 for a five foot long white igloo cooler oh it's a fishing model it's used to store big fish for deep sea fishing all right um now june 12th 1996 she's still dating Michael Scanlon. She faints in her office that day. She faints and has a bit of an issue medically and faints. The first person she called isn't Michael Scanlon. It's Tom.

Why? She calls Tom first. I don't know. That's what's weird. I don't know why she felt safe calling him at that point. I don't know if he'd been sweet-talking her or what, but that's what happened. June 27, 1996, he invited her to dinner that night at the Ristorante Panorama, site of their first kiss. All time site.

Yep. Anne-Marie, they ate at 7. They started eating at 7. She had a Laura Ashley flower print dress on, and she had swordfish, and that's what we know. There's something going on, though. There's recent emails and phone calls that shows like they've been talking more and being more friendly, but we don't know what's going on here. but we don't know what's going on here so she you know takes her leftovers here about 9 p.m tom says they drove back to his house to pick up groceries for her house which was rice bananas spinach strawberries and soup she was picking i don't know he had extra food at the house i don't know what's going on. He also gave her, had a gift for her, a $400 outfit that she had tried on a few days earlier but said was too expensive to buy. So she bought it for him. He just went back and picked it up.

He said they drove five minutes to her apartment where he placed the groceries on the kitchen counter. He gave her the gift. He said he went into her bedroom to check on the air conditioner because she said something was going on with it and to use the bathroom and he was gone by 10 p.m. Now, the next day, he has his home here, his main home. He removes the wall-to-wall beige carpet and the large sleeper sofa with pillows in the great room of his house the next day.

He's busy. Yeah. With help from his brother Gerard, he went to his now soon-to-be ex-wife's house because they're apart and borrowed her 93 Chevy Suburban so he could take it to a dumpster on a property owned by the construction company, his family's construction company. And then another brother ordered that the dumpsters be emptied several days ahead of schedule. Okay. Not shifty at all here.

Not at all, yeah. Now, later that day, Tom went to Air Base Carpets in Newcastle where he purchased an 8 by 11, $249 multicolored oriental rug and two chairs to replace it with. The housekeeper said super weird because she said the carpet and the sofa were in very good condition. No reason to throw them out. And not stained at all when she had cleaned the house on June 24th, which was just days before this. So really weird. Now, the day of the carpets, by the way, he had a busy day because that's what he was doing later, the carpets.

Earlier in the day, he was waking up his brother Jerry at 6 a.m. Oh? Woke up Jerry at 6 a.m. knocking on the door. It's Tom. And Jerry's like, what do you need? And, you know, they said it was Jerry thought it was weird because he's the last brother you expect to be banging on your door at an odd hour. Yeah, he's always the most well put together. Yeah, exactly.

He's well sewn up here. They said he's the good son. You know what I mean? He's a level headedheaded attorney he's all that kind of shit and everything now what he says is i need help and you jerry keys to a sea ray he said can you get a hold of the boat and jerry said okay i mean yeah i can get a hold of the boat um he had asked him about the boat in febru, wondering if he would lend it to him if he had to kill two people who were extorting him. And this was also around the time he borrowed a gun and said, can you find someone to break anybody's legs?

He had returned the gun a while ago. Nothing ever came of the other thing, of the leg breaking. But now it's 6 a.m. on June 28th. And he's saying, hey, I need that boat again. So Jerry said, did you do it? And he said, yes. So they hop in. It's a 25-foot Hydra Sports fishing boat. Cool boat.

Nice fishing boat. Yeah, 25 foot. That's a nice boat. 25 is a good-sized boat yeah 25 foot that's a nice boat 25 is a good size boat but it's a nice boat unless you're not but it's certainly it's certainly a lake boat that's not a fucking ocean boat well that's where they use it for the ocean for the sea yeah that's frightening i guess small boat oh you know what it might be a center console 25 footer those could those can it's a fishing boat it's not a speed boat you're thinking of like the little speed boats i think yeah i'm just

thinking of any kind of boat that's 25 feet long is generally not big enough for the fucking ocean unless it's a center console with a couple of big outboards uh that's a that's a pretty damn good fishing boat yeah that's where he keeps it at smugglers cove marina is where he keeps it that's what it is i bet it's center console. Got to be one of those deals there. And it's called the Summer Wind. You bet it is. Because one thing I'm going to – here's something for people out there.

I don't know how many Italian listeners we have, but I assume 99% of you aren't. So I'm going to fill you in on something. Every Italian guy, maybe not if they're under like 30 now but everybody else has something named after something frank sinatra it's just a thing what's my oldest dog's name jimmy yeah that is frankie yeah that is frankie yeah i thought franklin doggoneau roosevelt was funny the thing funny thing to call her but still it just happens we can't help it and summer wind is a popular Frank Sinatra song. And that's why.

Yeah. And Stugatz was already taken by Tony Soprano. So you couldn't use that. Yeah. So they take it. It's filled up with fuel. They go out to sea. The marina attendant sees two people pulling off, him and his brother.

And their big giant cooler. Okay, yeah. Which a lot of people take a cooler out there because that's where you're going out there. You're going to catch a giant fish. Jerry's captaining, and he's also got a deer rifle with him, too. Where are you fishing? Don't worry about that. We're going to get him this way.

There's sturgeon, there's deer deer there's all sorts of shit out there i don't know what i'm gonna run into you might get a 10 pointer i don't know sometimes the steelhead ain't so they're so keen to bite shoot it shoot it that's so weird so yeah they said that tom stayed in the company of the five foot long cooler the cooler by the way had a lock and a chain on top of it holding it closed which is not that's not normal now for going out on the boat usually sometimes the bud lights jumping more than the fish you know what i mean yeah that's why they threw big pussy off the side of the boat. You know what I'm saying? Like that's with chains and locks and shit. So they were heading about 60 miles offshore.

I think 77 miles is where they end up going. Jesus. This is where you go for big, you know, big fish. That's the deep water. Yeah. This is where basically it's 190 feet to the bottom of the sea.

You throw something off here. It's never getting found you're never finding that no no you're gonna have to get in a little uh exploding fucking capsule that'll take you down below the sea at that point the things that fold yeah yeah so um he at that point tom grabs a hold of the giant padlock cooler that he had loaded into his brother's Jeep and drags it onto the ramp of the back of the boat and pushes it off. Yeah. And it floats.

Yeah, because it's full of foam. It's a fucking cooler. It's a cooler. The insulation floats, guys. So now he's got a cooler just floating away from them in the open ocean and then trying frantically to catch up to and sidle up next to the cooler because they can't just let it float around the ocean man right like a fucking murder iceberg that's it it's a little murderberg holy it's a murder murder bird. Holy shit.

It's a murder buoy. That's all it is. Jesus Christ. Wow. Gerard is losing his mind at the helm of the boat. He's like, what the fuck are you doing? Jesus Christ.

He said, quote, I can't believe you got, let me get involved in this. What the fuck is wrong with you? And he's Tom's trying to fish the fucking coffee this fucking giant cooler out of the goddamn ocean while he's trying to sidle up next to it on the thing he spat at his brother he was so mad you son of a bitch then they're trying to figure

out yeah tom's going i can't get it i can't get it out and then also to to extract it from the water is going to be hard because there's that suction with the water. It's so heavy, too. It's going to be so heavy. So Jerry now, this is a ridiculous. We've turned it into a Coen Brothers movie now. Now it's fucking Fargo because the brother then takes his deer rifle and fires a shot at it. Yeah.

Put water in it. at the at the cooler yeah maybe that'll do it'll drink it'll suck in and go that would really only work with two holes probably is the problem yeah due to the way hopefully it goes all the way through yeah yeah um so he shoots it into the side of the cooler and some blood comes out of the side of the oh jesus that's not great um finally tom pulls it on board so they tried they tried throwing it out they tried picking it out up it wouldn't come out they tried shooting it it was still floating around so now tom drags this back onto the boat he opens up the chains opens up all this and it pops the lid off yeah this is the first time jerry has seen what's in the cooler oh god um here um he will say later that he didn't see the body in the cooler but

we think he did um it's and marie he's got in the cooler obviously just one not two bodies not two bodies a and a young woman's body she's really looks like an extortionist. Yeah, I don't know how you wouldn't have. You couldn't have offended her off by any other means, I could say. That's a nice dress on that extortionist. A flowery Laura Ashley dress. What all extortionists wear, usually. Extortionist uniform. Organized crime.

They love flowery Laura Ashley stuff. It's weird. I've noticed it growing up. Lots of guys wearing that shit. So this is It's weird. It's right. I've noticed it growing up. Lots of guys wearing that shit. So this is what's weird. He would later say Gerard would say he just thought it was one of the two people his brother told him about in February that were extorting him. So Jerry said his last memory was of this was the sound of something hitting the water,

which he said he turned around, after he heard the noise, looked, and he saw an ankle and a foot sinking into the water. That's what he saw. So he saw the last little part of a body sinking into the water. By the way, he used the anchor from Summerwind's anchor to fucking weigh down the body. Wow. And just tossed the cooler. Yep.

Don't need this anymore. That's how fishermen end up finding it, bobbing around in the sea a few days later. So Tom, it took eight hours to do this, by the way. Jesus. Eight hours. So he did all of that. Then he did the carpeting thing. Then he got home and had a pizza and watched tv with his daughters

and fell asleep that's a cold son of a bitch man that is a hardcore at least you know tony after a murder soprano would go have a big steak with the guys first to decompress and then go home you couldn't just go home and be like hi kids let's have some ice cream that's fucking weird so he wakes up though about 10 30 p.m from falling asleep with his daughters he leaves the daughters there tells them um you know he'll pick them up the next day and heads out the door he drives two blocks to a place on delaware avenue pulls into the driveway, opens up the back door with his key and heads on up into Debbie McIntyre's place. Wow. She's already.

The signature gal. Yep. She's already in bed. She's been expecting him. They start, you know, kissing and all that sort of thing. The next morning they have sex and go downstairs and have breakfast and all that kind of shit. That's how that goes. So that's his 24 hours following that.

Jesus Christ. Pizza with the kids and sex with your fucking other, with your gumar. So that's what's going on. June 30th, 1996, which is a couple days later, Anne-Marie's supposed to show up to have dinner with her brother and her boyfriend. Her brother and, yeah, her brother, boyfriend, and her brother and her boyfriend her brother and yeah her brother boyfriend and somebody and her sister as well and her his her sister so robert fahey her brother's like why didn't her and her boyfriend show up for dinner what's going on

so he uh so the sister and a few friends go to her apartment to see if everything was okay and they saw groceries, the gift box, the wallet, the lights were off. The air conditioning was on. They found Anne Marie's Volkswagen Jetta sitting in the same spot spot that it had been before, but she's not there.

So a bunch of messages are on her machine piling up on her, you know, her voicemail and all that kind of thing. Michael Scanlon's calling her going, where the fuck are you? Well, how come you haven't called me? Her brothers and her sisters and everything else.

So there's nothing missing from her apartment except the, except the car keys and car keys aren't there. And her obviously everything else seemed, you know, things seemed out of place, which is the weird thing though. There's groceries still on the counter. Shoeboxes had been pulled from the closet and were left on the floor. She keeps them stacked in the back thing, though. There's groceries still on the counter. Shoe boxes had been pulled from the closet and were left on the floor. She keeps them stacked in the back of the closet.

The bedspread had been pulled back, but it didn't look like anyone had slept there. It looked like it had, like, you know, turndown service on it. The rectangular gift box containing the suit from Talbots, which is what he bought her, that $400 outfit, was partially opened and tossed on the floor.

So people are like, this isn't what she would do. She folds her dirty laundry. So three days after all of this, the cops knock on Tom's door at 3.39 a.m. They're trying to rouse him. He's a day guy and they know it. So they're trying to rouse him and see if they can catch him off guard. They said that we were looking for a missing person. He said she mentioned something about going to the shore with her sister maybe or her friend.

I don't know. She was going somewhere. He told them he did go to her apartment Thursday night. But he left after that and he stopped at the getty gas station on lovering avenue for cigarettes so the cops follow up go to that gas station and find out that night the station had to close early so that he couldn't have stopped there for cigarettes why lie that's why lie about something like that that you don't know that's that's how you catch somebody and doing something stupid so debbie mcintyre they go talk to her yeah and she says

anne marie who she had no fucking idea this girl existed oh no none except for when tom came and told her about the whole thing a few days later even then she still stayed with him even though he was married he left his wife still doesn't with her, finds other women to go out with. She said at that point she began to worry because she bought a.22 caliber Beretta for Tom a couple months ago. So when she asked him to give it back to her, she said he told her he got rid of it. Oh, no. That's not good. Why would you get rid of it? At a later point, he told good. At a later point. Why would you get rid of it?

At a later point, he told her, she said, well, where did you get rid of it? Where do you get rid of a gun? And he said, I threw it deep in the water. And that's all he said. Okay. So investigators questioned her about the gun when that started happening. He made up a big elaborate tale for her to tell them. He said, okay, tell them you bought the gun for self-defense

but threw it away in the trash because you feared your children would get their hands on it. You changed your mind. It was more dangerous to have it in the house than it would be to face the wilds of the outside. It doesn't matter. Souly 4th ish that's when the fishermen from harrisburg find a giant empty cooler floating at sea yeah and they're like sweet we could use this for fish and they pull it on board it's a coffin yeah it was it's a makeshift igloo coffin a There's been a dead bot, and they're just putting their fish on it. Yikes. Yeah, the top was missing.

There's a hole in the side, but they said, I mean, fuck, it's still a fucking cooler. So over the July 4th time here, more than 300 people joined the Fahey family in a massive search of the park and creek near her apartment. She's got a park in a creek. That'd be a good place for something bad to happen. You know what I mean? $10,000 reward is issued by the family and offered. And a few days later, even President Clinton at that time would offer federal aid to the investigation if they needed it.

And police, though, can't find anything. They can't find a body. They can't find anything. So in their investigation here they had interviewed ann marie's closest friends who all described this affair she had with tom and her desire to break it off and him coming over and taking the fucking tv and all that kind of shit they questioned the waiters at the panorama restaurant, the Panorama where the staff recalled her being solemn, quote unquote,

during the dinner that she had in June, that last dinner that they had, she was solemn while eating a $154 dinner. That's what they came to the dinner. It's tough to tough to be solemn with the dinner like that. That's a nine 96. That's fucking, that's a,

that's a lot. It's a high dollar dinner so uh fbi special agent eric alpert interviewed ann marie's therapist as well because now she's dead and the families are saying okay talk so now the therapist had seen her the day before her date with tom she told the this therapist told the investigator that Anne Marie had been sure that the that the therapist had been trying to convince Anne Marie to get up the nerve to tell Tom to just go away for good. Yeah. Anne Marie said she was frightened of Tom and that he had threatened to expose their relationship if she didn't stay with them. That would be worse for him than for her.

So I'd go, go ahead, motherfucker. I don't care. You're the one with four fucking kids to explain it to not me yeah yeah you got a wife and two other girlfriends to explain this to and all your law partners and the fucking governor of why you're tagging his whole life yeah yeah guess what if you go in and you're fucking the government the governor's uh scheduling chick who's the governor gonna be mad at not her right. Don't come in my office and try to bang my staff, you fucking scumbag. So, yeah, a little bit different. But she took that as a threat.

She didn't want to lose her job. She said it would leak. She didn't want her boyfriend to find out about it either. Yeah. Her new boyfriend that she'd been going out with this married guy because she thought that he would dump her. Sure. So the therapist told the investigator that she thought that that was the only reason she would have gone to dinner with tom was to try to like let him down easy so he would not he's just trying to ease off him so he doesn't freak out slow break

yeah yeah um now two days after this fbi agents and local detectives this This is later on in July. They go to his house, to Tom's house. They see the cheap new carpet and they find bloodstains on the woodwork and radiator of the great room. The same room that the couch and carpeting had been taken.

That's interesting. They also find a stain on the laundry room closet door near the container, right near the container of Carbona blood remover. I didn't even know that was a product that existed. That sounds like something made up for our story, doesn't it? Why would you ever have that in your house? Got this blood remover, very specific. Oh, I got that for, no, no no this is for blood it says so

i keep it next to the paint thinner and the and the rat poison and the antifreeze and the antifreeze and a shitload of sleeping pills i keep them all in the same place they also found found out that this Carbona blood remover had been purchased by Tom at Happy Harry's Drugstore on June 30th, but a day and a half after Anne Marie disappeared. They also, so the officers dig

up his whole yard. Oh yeah, it's go time now. They dig up his yard, they remove a toilet, they search his 1993 black Jeep Grand Cherokee and his 93 chevy suburban um but he wouldn't talk um at all he's he's got a lawyer who's the former delaware attorney general charles oberle the third that's his lawyer oh not fucking around his lawyer says publicly quote they have zilch to connect my client to this.

Zilch. Blood remover, man. That's it. He told his friend, while this is all going on, that this would all blow over. He said, quote, once Labor Day is over, this is going to go away. The fahies are nothing but white trash. Jesus. I don't know what difference that would make yeah in the

disappearance of a woman it doesn't matter if her family's white trash or not whether they are or not are pretty irrelevant here they still deserve to be still get looked for yeah they don't just go i don't know we looked for her for a month i don't know her family's white trash moving on the fucking fbi's involved the president, we've got anything you need. I think they're going to look into this further, probably. Their family wears NASCAR shirts. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know.

It's over, man. I'm sorry. No, they watch sports in the front yard. It's really weird. That's their family. Big Dick Trickle fans. It's not okay. Big Dick Trickle.

Just drinking beer and watching sports in the front yard. They plug a fan in and have a fan blowing on them in the yard. It's really weird. the front yard they plug a fan in and have a fan blowing on them in the yard it's really weird that's a that's a weird one i've seen with an indoor stand-up oscillating fan outside that is white trash i'm sorry anything for you no so september of 1996 comes around after labor day they're still interested the assistant u.sm Connolly, convenes a grand jury, as a matter of fact. So not only are they still interested, they're convening grand juries to investigate this. In October, investigators talk with two more people that Tom Capano knows here.

I guess Tom had moved in with his brother, Lewis, and continues to keep a low profile here. So they talk about how now he has moved to his mother's house after that. So he ends up going from his brother's house to his mother's house after his house is essentially a fucking possible crime scene. Right. They even intercept. The FBI intercepts a cargo ship with blood that was headed to Europe

that contained a pint of blood donated by Anne-Marie Fahey so they could get her DNA because they don't have her body. Oh, she donated it and they were shipping it elsewhere and they're like stop that ship. Stop that ship. You gotta get on and get that one out of a whole cargo ship.

I need one pint. A pint of blood. They had to pull it out. And then you guys could go. But this is, back then, it wasn't enough. Like, the hairs had to have a big attached root. Like, you couldn't get DNA from people unless you had their body, really. Right.

So this is the only way. Now they have blood, so they can try to match it. Doesn't she have a fucking hairbrush though it's it would have to the hairs had to be perfectly intact with all one of them one of them had to have come out that way right she's pretty anal though i don't think she would great point she may clean that motherfucker every day any every time yeah she's like seinfeld when newman goes not even a hair in his brush. So clean. Trying to get a hair. So they do all of that. And DNA tests confirm that her blood matches the blood taken from the apartment. On the radiator.

Oh. The apartment. I guess meaning his place, I assume, because he rents it. So now they bring in different. But he said they had an affair. So there's. Yeah. Reasonable. it's not enough yet. So they bring in members of his family. They ask his older brother, Louis, about the dumpsters that he had emptied early.

And even question Tom's oldest daughter as well. Oh. See if she knew anything. So the one-year anniversary comes and they still don't have enough. They don't think to prosecute or to arrest him. Really? Because they don't have her body. They want her body.

That's what they really want. They twice more call Lewis up, who ran the family business. He ordered that four dumpsters be emptied ahead of schedule the weekend after the disappearance, obviously. Lou's second wife wife pro golfer laurie merton okay what i didn't expect that a pro lady pro golfer to enter the fucking equation but there she is in the mix with a guy who is accused of rape and kidnapping yeah no shit uh she'd been called even before the grand jury to talk about secret taps she placed on the family phone to catch Lou with his mistress, Christy Pepper. That is the most mistress name you'll ever get.

If your name is Christy Pepper, no one will marry you. You are forever going to be someone's mistress. You'll always be Christy Pepper. You're never getting a new last name. You're Christy Pepper. I can't marry you. I'm sorry. It's just not in the cards.

They even subpoenaed her. They subpoenaed Lou's son. They subpoenaed everybody. Nobody's saying shit, though. No. They got a real, yeah, it's a thing. They know not to talk, so that's good. Well, good for the family, but not good in this situation.

No, not good for justice. No, not good for, yeah, for things to be right. Summer 1997 comes now. So it's been a year. And they're thinking about all of this. They're thinking about everything. They're thinking, who's the weak link? Who can we fucking get to?

They need a domino to fall here. Okay. So October 1997, they know what happened here. But they need to prove it. They need to get somebody to talk about because by getting rid of the body it did throw a big wrench into the thing no body no crime right people say that for a reason because it's been a year of he obviously fucking did something with her there's blood in his apartment but no body no crime all day hey bob marley see he comes up all the time holy shit nobody no crime so they talked to his old friend they talked to his bold boss the former

governor they talked to his golfing buddies is everybody that you can imagine here and uh they can't find anything here. The secretary, Susan Luth, said she knew of the Fahey affair. And Debbie McIntyre said she didn't know until he told her. So they said, no, no, no. He's not going to go to them. He's not going to go to the women in his life because he doesn't tell them enough. He doesn't want to be beholden to them.

He wants to control them. He would go to his family, his brothers. That's where he he'd go guineas go to their family that's what they said so uh jerry who is a landscaper who made his living off the family construction company they want to talk to him he's a big game hunter with a big gun collection at home and a fishing boat so they're like he'd be the guy that could help sure he's also got two kids so he's got a lot to lose so he's a guy they can put the fucking screws to so they end up pulling into his driveway 8 30 at night with 25 federal agents and swarm his house to let him know it was serious and scare the shit out of him they had search warrants and all that

kind of thing um All this shit. They seized his arsenal of hunting rifles, shotguns, revolvers that were left in an unlocked closet in the bedroom of his three-year-old son, by the way. He doesn't care about those kids. Very nice. He's like, maybe one will shoot the other.

That's ridiculous because when the kid was a baby, they're like, well, we can keep him in there. He's an infant. He's not going to get the guns. But now he's three. So put the kid was a baby, they're like, well, we can keep him in there. He's an infant. He's not going to get the guns. But now he's three. So put the guns in a safe. In his truck, they found about two grams of cocaine as well.

They're like, oh, good. Now we even have a charge on him. This is terrific. He parties. Yep. His friend was there. He had some weed as well. And in the laundry room, more coke.

Uh-oh. So he likes to party here here this isn't powdered tide yep so they didn't arrest him or file charges at the time no because it wasn't on his person and they were like it was plausible plus they're trying to scare him yeah they did come back a week later though with a state child welfare agency worker to investigate whether gerard and his wife mich, were fit to raise their two children in a house full of loose guns and cocaine. Yeah.

Wildly loose guns. This is, yeah. It's like Pablo Escobar's house over here. This is insane. If this house was on the water, these guns would be rattling all over the place. Everywhere. Just all over the place. Yeah.

If you had them all in a car going on a bumpy road like wow there's a lot of guns in here they'd be bouncing so november 2nd 1997 jerry would tell the cops that yes he and tom left wilmington early friday morning on on uh june 28th 1996 in tom's je Jeep. And this is his brother. He brought his lawyer in and everything. So his lawyer said, you better fucking talk to them because you're in deep shit. Otherwise, they're just going to put it on you then. It's your boat.

So he walked into the U.S. attorney's office and tells this story. And he told them that it was locked and loaded with a lock. The cooler was the five foot long cooler. They took it out. They dumped it. It wouldn't fucking sink. a lock. The cooler was. The five foot long cooler. They took it out. They dumped it. It wouldn't fucking sink. So he told that whole story. And I'm sure they got a good laugh out of that.

What a fucking idiot he was. So he said that all he knew is it contained the body of someone who tried to hurt his big brother. So that's all he knew. That's it. So they said, okay, if you tell us us everything they're going to plea bargain him for a lesser charge than you know accessory after the fact of murder all right and so he also tells how he tell how he helped his brother dispose of a blood-stained rug and sofa at the family construction firm uh-oh how tom gave him a cover story if anyone started asking questions and now he had

he had one other thing to add also he told his older brother lou the whole story a year ago so you can go fuck with him too oh god damn it lou is the dumpster emptier there uh-huh so november 10th 97 lou comes in and talks too i want to get back to my golf lady he said he begged his brother to turn himself in, but he knew nothing about Anne-Marie or that he even had a relationship with her. His lawyer later announced that he would plead guilty to harassing a grand jury witness, which is a misdemeanor. So Tom's living with his mom at this point, and he wakes up in her house. Oh, God, it's all gone downhill already anyway. Oh, yeah, he's fucked.

I mean, they tore up his whole backyard. His house is a crime scene. So his lawyer was trying to arrange some kind of, you know, I'll hand him in if you want to arrest him or whatever. But they said, oh, no. They just pulled him over on the I-95 on the way to the airport with his brother joseph and his brother's wife where are you going where are you going chief hey what you got there what you got what you got in that suitcase yeah whoa uh so they arrest him then for that because they're like oh we got to get him he's fucking

taken off um outside the lawyer his lawyer says that jerry his brother jerry made up the whole story and that tom's pleading not guilty yeah um the he said that tom who's now facing a potential death penalty here just doesn't understand his brother's betrayal he said quote how could he do this to me? How could he lie? Well, okay. Now, two days after he was arrested, the fisherman who fucking fished out that cooler said, oh, shit. This might be this. That's not good. With a bullet hole on the side? Fuck.

How many giant coolers with bullet holes are floating around the ocean? Not as many as you'd imagine. We should turn this in. So they turn it over to the FBI as well. So the fisherman's name is Ken Chubb, and he realized it's the one. Now, Deborah McIntyre, old Debbie Mac here. Oh, boy. They've been talking to her.

Oh, that's a horny one. They've been talking to her for a while, and she's been denying everything. She ends up cutting an immunity deal for herself all of a sudden. What does she know? All of a sudden, she's like, hey, I need an immunity deal. Did he come tell her everything? Well, not quite.

But she now says that she bought a.22 caliber Beretta pistol on May 13, 1996, and tells them that she gave gave it to tom who now she's telling the cops that who accompanied her to miller's gun center on us 13 near newcastle and waited outside in his jeep so that's not good now she told the prosecutors that and uh that's bad so during the case here his defense is trying to lay the groundwork right away, like in the public. They want the public to think he's a poor, innocent man here. So his lawyer is saying that, listen, jurors like to play detective, he says. He says circumstantial evidence can be more devastating than eyewitness testimony because jurors like to play detective they like to kind of speculation extrapolate their own thing on there so yeah a little speculation

they um there's that um they her blood is in his house he's the last person to be seen with her this is the defense attorney saying he's innocent he's like listen his brother's saying he helped him dump a body there's blood in his house yeah uh you know also the the other brother's talking about dumping fucking uh dumpsters and shit like that you know this could be bad and swordfish we get it yeah we get it he said quote if the brother testifies that he did certain things that the jury can view in any way as being a cover up for homicide even if he doesn't know for a fact that he killed anne marie that's deadly evidence the jury will take that and run with it gee if she disappears on one day and that guy's the last person to be seen with them and then a day later he's dumping a body in the ocean yeah they might put those two things together i

would fucking hope they would that's's a fucking long shot, James. Yeah, they're acting like now we're fucked. This isn't fair legal stuff. No, this is how the cases work, idiot. So they said, without a body turning up, it's difficult but not impossible. This is the prosecutor. No body, no crime, no problem is what they say. Another, this is Robert Fahey again. He said, I think you have a guy

who grew up in a very privileged environment and got everything he wanted all his life, and he couldn't have her. I think he probably hit her across the face, knocked her half out, kept beating her, and killed her. Jesus. I mean, I think it was... You don't even have a body. Right. I think he did... He threw a

gun into the ocean. Yeah. I think he shot her. I think he shot her. I think he shot her. That's what I'm going to think. And that'd be so much easier, too. Yeah, but... I think he had a really minor argument, dispute, and then just beat her to death. What?

That seems above and beyond. You made the man sound way worse than what I thought. That's wild. Beat her to death. Beat her to death. Beat her to death. Kept beating her and beating her. That's the brother. I get what he's feeling, but Jesus Christ, let's not speculate too much.

Anne-Marie's friend Kim said, this is somebody who was not completely in control of his emotions. I don't think she ever thought he could do harm to her. I would hope not. Otherwise, you wouldn't go. How would you spend any time with somebody? Yeah. FBI Special Agent Eric Alpert wrote in the search warrant affidavit, quote, I believe there is probable cause to believe that Thomas Capano took Anne-Marie Fahey without her consent from the Panorama restaurant in Philadelphia to his home at 2302 Grant Avenue in Wilmington, Delaware, and that he killed her at his residence. All right.

One of Tom Capano's friends said, I don't think people can go through 47 years of life caring for other people and then all of a sudden turn on a dime and do something so utterly contrary to the principle they've had for so long. Susan Louth, his girlfriend, one of his girlfriends, like 2B, we'll call her. I don't know. How do you rank them? She said, knowing Tom,

there's no way he would have done something like that. He's one of the sweetest men I know. Or she was just the hottest thing he could possibly get, and he didn't want to lose it. Wow. His lawyer, though, Tom's lawyer, Charles M. Oberle III, the former attorney general of Delaware, said he's got the best one. You might as well not even have a trial, honestly, at this point.

He said, quote, he looked me in the eye and he told me he hadn't done anything. Well, let's all go home then. What are we talking about? Thank you very much, everybody. That's been Small Town Murder. We'll see you next week. Well, thank God he's innocent. Man, I was really worried about this.

Yeah. So the Fahys, though, are still having problems, obviously. They're really having an issue. The brother Roberts really pissed off at Tom, and he keeps coming back to the white trash comment because that became public. Really? He's real pissed. He said, Tom made a comment to a friend that he was not concerned by all the publicity back then because once Labor Day rolled around, this would all go away. Then he said the Fahys are nothing but white trash.

So there you go. He said, so that's what he thinks and blah, blah, blah. So they're trying to get through it, I guess. The brother, Brian, said, we don't admire them for it, for arresting him. They said, aren't you happy they arrested him? And he said, we don't admire them for it. We wish they they have done it a lot sooner. They could have saved everybody, including our own family, a lot of heartache.

The sister, well, they need evidence first before they can arrest people. That's just how life is. Like the sister, well, they need evidence first before they can arrest people. That's just how life is. I understand you want it immediately, but, you know, you want them to be convicted, actually. Sure. That would help. Because if they arrested him too early and didn't have enough evidence and he got let go and all that, then everybody would be mad at that. Yep. So her sister said, I'm still numb.

I think we all had a theory of how Anne-Marie was disposed. I'm still numb. I think we all had a theory of how Anne Marie was disposed. But once you hear the facts, it's gruesome to think your own sister had to that happen. It's just pretty disturbing, a weird way of putting it. Had to have that happen. Brian said to find out that Anne-Marie's murder may have been premeditated is pretty troubling. Talking about the gun and the cooler. He allegedly planned and carried this out in cold blood. So everybody's a little bit pissed off. They said that the Fahey family said they haven't discussed whether they'd like to see him face the death penalty. But the brothers at Robert said the harshest penalty brought, we'd support. And they said, we don't believe Tom Capano will walk.

And they also said, hey, what if Jerry Capano, who helped dispose of this body, avoids prosecution due to cooperation? And they said, if that's the price of doing business, we'll be happy. In other words, we don't think he killed our sister, so that's fine. Fuck him. We're concerned about this other asshole. Now, 1998 is the trial. So three three two years after the murder trial yeah in the openings the prosecutor ferris w wharton yeah wow that is some kind of name there i've never heard of anybody named ferris other than bueller well he sounds like he's going to replace willie wonka if he ever retires it's going to become the Ferris W. Wharton

fucking chocolate factory at that point. Really weird. Now, the defense, they got a lot to explain here. You're not kidding. They got a lot of explaining to do here. So, the lead attorney, Joseph S. Oteri, said that only one other person

who was inside Capano's house that night knows what happened when she died. He's saying there's another person. There was three people there that night. Really? He said, you're going to hear testimony that Tom did not murder her. She died as a result of an outrageous, horrible, tragic accident. Yeah.

He asked the jurors not to be revolted by the sea burial. How are you not going to be revolted by that? Right. Don't be revolted by the two dumbest people in the world doing a dumb, horrible, disgusting thing. Yeah. But instead, accept his explanation that he later deceived friends and authorities to protect himself. Mm hmm. He said Tom lied to everyone except one person who knows the horrible truth. his explanation that he later deceived friends and authorities to protect himself he said tom lied to everyone except one person who knows the horrible truth he said uh but nothing about just

taking her out to the ocean and dumping her proves that he killed her nothing that doesn't prove anything because you dump people you find yeah you know all the time we hear that you stumble across a body in the woods you take it out to the ocean, you dump it. That's just how it works. Nothing except dumping proves he did it. Okay? Yeah. Wow.

And he said the cooler wasn't a coffin. The cooler was intended as a gift for Jerry, for his boat, for fishing. You know, that's how it goes. Let me borrow your boat. I bought you a cooler. Then he says this. I love when they try the defense of he's a smart guy. Let me borrow your boat. I bought you a cooler. Then he says this. I love when they try the defense of he's a smart guy. There's no way he'd be that stupid.

That's a terrible defense. And lawyers use it all the time. He said if Tom Capano wanted to put Fahey in a cooler, he wouldn't have bought it at the Wilmington area store using his credit card. He said Tom Capano's a bright guy. That's insanity. He's too smart for that. What we thinking i don't know tom capano didn't think that you'd understand that this was big enough to fit a body in it no fucking shit he also attacks uh jerry you know tom's brother uh debbie mcintyre his mistress the lawyer said that Jerry, the youngest of the brothers here, developed.

He said that his family called him a booze hound with a brain like a fried egg from cocaine, marijuana and LSD use. Oh, yeah. Brain like a fried egg. That's in the fucking that's in the record forever. He said he's a typical screwed up rich kid who's never earned anything in his life he's a poster boy for the me generation this is your brain on drugs jerry if that was the me generation what the fuck would this one be because the me generation didn't make videos and take pictures of themselves every five fucking seconds this one is the me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me that, you know, it's all bullshit. He didn't plan this. This is crazy. What are you talking about? He said he actually only talked to Gerard about these two extortionists,

and that's what they'll tell you. But he said that whole thing was a figment of Jerry's imagination. Oh? That never even happened. They said Thomas borrowed $8,000 from Jerry one month. Jerry, the one who asked if someone was shaking him down because he needed $8,000, Tom agreed to appease Jerry,

who fancied himself a gangster. He said he thought, Jerry thought of himself as a tough guy, so he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll make him feel good if I tell him about extortionists. Yeah, yeah. He also said that Jerry suffers from confabulation.

Oh, there's that word again. There it is, where he fills in gaps in his memory with fictitious events yeah he just makes it up make shit up to make it funnier so make it work make it work for him um yeah so jerry here because they're saying he had to he was threatened with gun and drug charges that's the only reason he you know he's test, so he can get leniency on his disgusting ways. They also said that they described Tom as Fahey's confidant, a gentleman who helped her deal with anorexia, gave her money when she was broke, and took her out on friendly dinners almost every week until she died.

Just a mentor, like a little league coach, pretty much. We have no intention of besmirching Anne-Marie Fahey, but she was not an 18-year-old kid just out of high school. That is true. He described her as a worldly woman who had traveled to Spain, worked in Washington, D.C. Quote, that cesspool, Washington, D.C. That's the shit. For then-Congressman Thomas R. Carper. Then he said about Deborah McIntyre, she lied five times to investigators before striking an immunity deal.

You can't trust her. He concluded his remarks by urging the jury to give his client the presumption of innocence, calling it one of the foundations of American democracy. He said, please, I beg of you, don't forget that. A lot of begging here. Fahey's family, her brother, said of the lawyer, quote, he's in the gutter. Yeah. The lawyer's in the gutter. Now, witnesses here, they call Brian, they call a couple of female aides from the governor's office, and they call the waitress at Panorama who served them dinner that night.

Talking about the sullen swordfish. That's it. Sullen swordfish. That's it, sullen swordfish. Now, Brian, a fifth-grade teacher, that's her brother, described his sister as a neat freak who, despite emotional problems and an eating disorder, made great strides from her troubled childhood. He said he saw his sister with a new boyfriend, the MBNA Corporation executive, Michael Scanlon, six days before she disappeared and they were happy

and holding hands. Now defense attorney asked Fahey if he recalled his sister having a bad temper. He said no but then after being asked by Oteri if he had heard stories about his sister once hitting their father with a hockey stick.

And what does that prove? That well they're trying to build a thing of this is what actually happened. Maybe she whacked him with a hockey stick. Yes. Well, they're trying to say that the prosecution's saying she's this innocent, young, helpless girl. And in reality, she's worldly. And she went to Spain and worked for a guy in Washington for a year and hit her drunken fucking Irish father with a hockey stick.

So that means that she's perfectly fair to murder at that point. She may have instigated it. She had a somber swordfish. She may have smacked him with it. You don't know. You never know. We weren't there. We have no idea how it went down.

We can't know. We have no idea how it went down. We can't know. So the brother also said he knew his sister ate lunch with Tom twice, but like the rest of everybody in the family, didn't know about the affair until after she disappeared and was asked about it by the cops. The governor's secretary in 1996 testifies, a couple of them actually, a secretary and the governor's office manager. Yeah. Both said that Fahey was in an upbeat mood on June 27th, preparing for a Friday off that where she was going to get a mat, a massage,

a pedicure, a manic, a manicure, and then read in the park. That was her plan for the next day. Under cross-examination, both said they were unaware Fahey and Tom were going to dinner that night and that they didn't know whether

whether that was why she seemed happy maybe that's why they also said the waitress the server said that they didn't Capano and Fahey didn't speak throughout dinner which she described as somber and quiet that is a weird

dinner that's a weird dinner and that Tom ordered her meal and drink without consulting her. Well, unless you were there the whole time. You don't know if she said, I want the swordfish. We don't know that. That's crazy. So the waitress also said that she boxed up their entire main courses, which were barely touched. They just sat there in discomfort until they said, do you want us to wrap that?

Staring at each other. Staring at their food. Staring at a 90% full piece of swordfish. Right, pushing capers around your plate. Disgusting. So the Fahey, they said, was dressed up in a flower print dress. And the waitress noticed this because most of the women in there wore more of the black and stuff like that.

The server said she looked haggard, gaunt, her hair was unkempt, she looked tired. What a thing to say about somebody. Jesus Christ. Sounds like they sent her through the spin cycle once and got her out and sat her down at fucking dinner. That's bad. Tom, the lady said, was wearing tinted eyeglasses that were, quote, not something I would have chosen for myself. This waitress is just a bitch.

She's giving some really vicious visual reviews. She looked like shit. Her dress was ugly and those tints. I mean, dude, seriously? Like, fuck you. You're a fucking server. I've been a server plenty. You don't think you're at the top of the fucking food chain.

So I don't know who you think you are at the top of the fucking food chain so i don't know who you think you are his tentative i've chosen them but you know you know not for me now under cross-examination here uh the waitress had a little bit less to say she said that of the two hours that they were in the restaurant they were there for two hours, by the way. She observed them for only about 15 minutes out of two hours and could, you know, obviously as she said, they could have spoken and anything could have happened when she wasn't watching, obviously.

She also said she'd never seen them before and didn't know what their normal appearance was. That may have just been what they look like all the time. That's the thing. But she did add her hair wasn't keptmpt by any standards is what she said. So no matter what, her hair was fucked up. Maybe she had a long day.

She lives 40 minutes from here. Maybe she drove here with the window down. I was just going to say, maybe the window is down. It's a June night. You drive with the window down sometimes. So they get Jerry to testify, the brother, and he has to tell about how he watched a foot sink into the sea. Yikes. That's not good after a corpse was weighed down with anchors.

Jerry said, quote, I was telling him this isn't right. This is wrong. That's what he testified. So his brother Lou cries on the stand here. Breaks down on the stand. He's testifying for the prosecution. He began crying as he recalled two occasions in which he had tried to get his brother Tom to tell the authorities the truth for the sake of the family. Yeah.

Do it for the sake of the family, Tom. For Christ's sake. You're going to ruin our construction business. For the sake of the family. Yeah. Do it for the sake of the family, Tom. For Christ's sake. You're going to ruin our construction business. The sake of the family. At the second meeting, he said both he and another brother, Jerry, told Tom to go to the police or they would. Okay. Now, Lou did not go to the police then because he said Tom convinced us not to and told us if the situation was reversed, he'd do the same for us, which that's the thing.

Hey, I'd help you bury a fucking body. Help me. This is your responsibility now. What? You never fucked up before? Help me out here. What the hell? So a lawyer for Capano, one of the lawyers, attacked different versions of events that Louie gave to prosecutors, including lies he admitted telling to the grand jury before reaching a deal to testify.

So they're trying to put his pre-deal, you know, I don't know anything lies to the test here. Lou said his brother Tom called him on June 30th and told him that Anne-Marie was missing. He said Tom told him that she would probably return to work on Monday, but that she tried to cut her wrists on his sofa on the previous Thursday and he wanted to get rid of the sofa. Oh, OK. So she was suicidal in that room. That's what he's saying. Yeah.

They say that's where the blood came from. But the house cleaner said two days before it was fine. Five days before. Five days. OK. So Thursday of the of the actual murder, he's saying that she tried to cut his wrists on his couch. Yeah, so Lou

said that Tom also told him that the cuts were superficial and that after bandaging them, Tom had taken her home and never seen her again. So, Debbie McIntyre comes up on the stand and they get right into all their weird sex stuff.

They're like, you'd do anything for Tom, wouldn't you? I need your sex life in public record. They said, even perform oral sex on one of his friends while he watches? Oh, God, shit, what'd she say? Yes. Yeah, I did that. Shit. That's what happened.

Yeah, that's rough. She said that, yep, Delaware's, his friend and Delaware's chief deputy attorney general, Keith Brady. Oh, God. Admitted they had a sexual encounter in her house while Tom sat naked in the living room watching. He's a cuck. He's a cuck. He likes that.

Holy shit. He likes to watch his friend, the Chief Deputy Attorney General of Delaware, plow his girlfriend. What the fuck? Holy shit. Put it on public record. This is forever our information. If we're putting it out, this will be out there for the rest of eternity. So even if you don't find the court document, this is here.

This is a 70-year-old woman today. This, yeah. She's like, yeah, I sucked him while he gave it to me from the back. What do you want from me? Well, she takes Jericho. Oh, shit. Well, she reads Modern Maturity magazine. She's reading Reader's Digest and taking a poop.

I've traded in my threesome days for that yogurt that makes Jamie Lee Curtis poop. That's what I have. Now, get out of here. There's a nice article in the digest both mcintyre and brady said it did take place about five years ago but it was all tom's idea yeah we were held at gunpoint to fuck each other you two fuck each other now well he said to do it suck his dick enjoy that dick to enjoy your blow job that's right it's his idea he's very bossy that's how it goes she said she didn't want to perform oral sex on brady but she did it because

of tom she said quote he wanted me to. I was afraid if I didn't do it, he would get angry and leave me. This poor woman has very insecure. Holy shit. He's not even with you. During all this, she kept looking at him and smiling, too. I love him. Smiling.

He's a great guy. Wow. And ten years ago, she had sex with another man so tom could watch through a window of her house that's even weirder than being in the living room i'm gonna pretend i'm a peeping tom now right what the fuck is that she said i loved him he cared for me listened to me enjoyed my company and made me feel good about myself i did what he wanted oftentimes compromising what was best for me now as capano was led away from the courthouse after that day's testimony he turned to a tv camera and they asked him about what do you think about debbie mcintyre's

testimony and said quote she broke my heart she told everybody you broke my heart fredo and then they go out in a boat and shoot fredo it's all too fucking intertwined too much man it's too much you can't say it that is fucking wild and uh it's the first time he said anything to the press by the way she broke my heart um prosecutors are painting him as a master manipulator, control freak, preys on the weak and insecure, obviously. A former administrator at a school in Wilmington testified that she brought, that's McIntyre, brought a gun and gave it to him in May, a month before. She said she never saw the gun again, and she said that she bought the gun because she was afraid Tom would leave her if she didn't. So anything that she does, it's not exactly what he wants. He'll leave her.

Meanwhile, they've been together for 15 years. Right. Where's he going? Where's he going? I think he's kind of locked in here. She said she only did that because of that. And even though she knew it was illegal to buy a gun in her name and then give it to somebody else. As a matter of fact, she actually went to one place and during the purchase of the gun told the

guy, I'm just buying it for somebody else. And they refused to sell it to her. Yeah. You can't do it. So she had to go to another gun store and buy it and say, you know, it's for me.

And then give it to him. Yeah. Not say it. Yeah. She fucked up. So Keith Brady, the blowjob guy. Yeah.

He's a, by the way, the number two person in charge of Delaware's criminal prosecutions at the time. And that's the guy you're getting blowjobs for. How did this day start? You might wonder. How does a day start when you take a friend home and have your girlfriend blow him?

Well, it starts by playing golf together. Okay. They played golf, and they've been friends since 1990 when capano was head legal counsel for the governor and brady was his assistant so they used to work together he used to be his boss tom so um they said after the game brady says they went to debbie mcintyre's house and had some drinks and then mcintyre and tom started graphically talking about sex in front of him this was a planned thing they have that's what they like. Yeah, I'm going to bring this guy here later,

and this was a whole plan if they just started talking about sex. McIntyre said Tom left Brady and went into the living room. McIntyre and Tom left Brady and went into the living room to have sex and watch porn movies. While he's in the house. While he's in the house. I'm going to go in the living room and fuck with porn on. By the way,

the reporter describes Brady on the stand, quote, Brady spoke in a monotone, but he stuttered and squirmed in his chair as he detailed the sexcapade. Yeah, he holds public office. It's like, fuck. So,

here's another line from an article. During a brutal cross-examination by defense lawyer Joseph Oteri, Brady said when he followed the twosome into the room, McIntyre stopped what she was doing with Capano and turned her attentions to him. to him if you not only heard porn playing but then people fucking you don't walk into that room unless you want to see people fucking and maybe join them i wonder if i fuck in there yeah you stay in the living room and turn the tv up to like 55 that's what you do i don't want to hear this or you put your shoes on and get the fuck out. Yeah. Now, this cannot get more embarrassing for Brady, can it? Not much more, no. Well, let's put the cherry on top. She turns her attentions toward him, and he says on the stand, quote,

Deborah McIntyre attempted to arouse me by performing oral sex on me, but I could not achieve an erection. Oh, no. So this cannot get worse for him the only thing it would get worse is that i finally didn't i came in four seconds would be the only way this could get more embarrassing what the fuck that's him trying to save his marriage right saying like i have no idea i only have eyes for one woman and they're my wife. Or golf makes his dick limp. I don't know. Either way.

They asked him, were you fully clothed? And he said, this is great. My recollection is unclear. What are you, in the mafia? My zipper was down. My penis was out of my zipper. Then he said, I may not have been. No, you were not yeah you came

you took your he's acting like he wandered in there like hey guys what you doing and then she just grabbed unzipped him and started sucking on him meanwhile they're like you went in there with your pants off didn't you because you all planned this you know what i mean yeah he insisted he didn't want to be there and wasn't turned on by any of this. Yeah. He said, I'm ashamed I was there. I'm extremely remorseful for the anguish I've caused my wife, my children and my parents. Wow. I'm even more ashamed that I'm here. Oh, and then the article goes on to say Brady didn't meet anyone's eyes as he quickly strode out of the courtroom with his back straight and his dick limp.

Absolutely. The only thing straight on him was his back. Back stiff and dick limp. It's at that point when his boss, the Delaware Attorney General, Jane Brady, with whom he's not related, by the way, just happens to be a coincidence,

said in the statement that Keats taken an undetermined amount of time off. It's the next day. Keith is taking some time off to be with his family at this most difficult time. That is and should be his first priority. And our thoughts are with him and his family. I will discuss any matters related to the office with him after he's satisfied. Don't use the word satisfied. I don't think that's ever happening no after he gets she might as well say once he gets his stuff

straightened out she might as well say that too does really make it bad uh satisfied he has done what he needs to do address his personal life yeah once he gets an affairs and order straightens out his life and is satisfied with everything. God damn it. So now it's all a mess man so the defense their thing is debbie did it debbie that's what happened no no debbie killed and marie right okay debbie mcintyre did it yeah yep mcintyre um when they asked her on the stand denied her role in it when asked by the defense there. But then when it's the defense's turn, you know, they said, quote, you deny you discharge that firearm, meaning the one that she gave to him. She said, I don't know what happened to that firearm.

I'm absolutely certain about that. I'm certain I don't know. So the defense said that one other person was in the resident that was home that night knows the whole story and it's her oh so yep they said so you admitted you had lied in front of a grand jury you did all this stuff you gave him a gun that god knows where that is that's what you claim you bought the gun that's possibly the murder weapon and quote and now you're scott free huh yeah and she said i'm fortunate i sucked a lot of dick to be in this chair so listen i don't know if uh scott free is really the words i'd use but i don't know if i don't know if i'd be using that word either because

uh i had to suck dicks to be here yeah i had to suck a lot of dicks up. In front of people. No. Yeah. Yeah. They said they say that she didn't tell investigators about the sports authority visit until March, a month after she became a prosecution witness, and says she told the prosecutors the truth. They said, well, why didn't you tell them about the gun? She said, quote, I wasn't asked, which is really. That's on you, not me.

That sounds pretty bad to say that. Many things evolved in this case i was very nervous i answered the questions that were asked i was not thinking about the sports authority i was thinking about miller's gun shop yeah oh because that was sports authority was where she was rejected okay yeah wow he goes there a lot he's a hell of a shopper at sports he loves it oh yeah coolers and guns. They got it all. He's buying it all. She did say that she suppressed many of the details about the case until this year. Yeah. Didn't lie. Suppressed.

I just didn't want to talk about it. I didn't want to remember. Holding it down a little bit. The lawyer said, you're not trying to make the story better by embellishing it. And she said, no, that's an incorrect statement on your part oh she's a snotty one so um mcintyre insisted that it wasn't until january she realized the gun she bought could be linked to the death even though she says tom asked her to lie about it she said quote i was so focused on telling the story for tom i never thought of the ramifications of a murder weapon you never thought of the ramifications of a murder weapon.

You never thought of that. What the fuck? Get the fuck out of here. They also grilled her about letters she wrote to Tom in prison earlier this year before she came a witness, before that all happened. On February 1st, as Tom was asking her to testify at his bail hearing,

she wrote that she didn't want to. She said, by going, it exposes me in our relationship and who knows what else she wanted to keep shit private she had no idea how not private all this shit right this is gonna be so public two comedians are gonna be laughing at your blowjob soon that sucks i'll bet she didn't even think about this ever being on court documents while she was balls deep. No, never. Who thinks about that? Never, ever.

You can't. Oh, boy. So they said, she said, yeah, it exposes our relationship and who knows what else. They asked her, what did you mean by what else? Asking if that could be the gun because prosecutors already knew about her lies. And she said nothing specific. You know, Brady's dick. Yeah, none of that. No dicks

and balls and limp cocks in her face. He asked her about her actions on the day that Anne-Marie died, implying they showed guilt. That included a 6.45 a.m. phone call to Tom's house. How would she know to call his house at 6.45 a.m.? A conversation with him at Tower Hills

School's track about an hour later and a one-minute phone call he made to her at 10.31 a.m. from Stone Harbor, New Jersey, as he prepared to dump the body with his brother that morning. McIntyre said she made the 6.45 phone call because Tom asked her for unspecified help that morning. She said that Tom routinely called her at mid-morning for a short chat and that she did not know about Anne-Marie, her death, or where he was. They suggested that the phone call was to tell her everything was going fine with what he was doing, and she said no. Then she admitted she was extremely upset when she learned about Fahey, but she said she didn't know about it until later.

And they said, you knew about it the night she died, didn't you? And she said, no, Mr. Moore, I never learned about Anne-Marie Fahey until July 2nd. And they said, didn't you have your firearm at Tom Capano's house on June 28th, 1996, when you first learned about him and Anne-Marie? And she said, no, I did not. And they said, you deny you discharged that firearm. She said, I deny that I discharged that firearm. He pressed her and pressed her about why didn't she tell investigators until the summer that Tom yelled at her for leaving a message on his voicemail at 10 30 PM on June 27th. And they said, quote, is that one of these visions that came to you?

And she said, that is correct. So now, if she didn't want to be embarrassed was the whole point. So now her entire sex life and the fact that she believes in her visions is all out there in public. He also asked her why she waited until after she became a witness

to tell police that he told her late night he needed help in the morning. And they said, another vision that came to you from nowhere, huh? And she said, correct. Yep. You got it. You're not embarrassed at all. Right at that point, Tom, who has colitis, asked for a recess to use the bathroom. He's got diarrhea.

He was in there for an hour. Yeah, got diarrhea. He was in there for an hour. Yeah, that sucks. He was shitting for an hour. Oh, God damn it. This is maybe the worst day of a human's life other than being murdered, I would say. His colitis diagnosis is now public record. He's a cucky colitis asshole.

A cucky colitis kook is what he is. So an hour later, a cucky colitis kook wow he is so an hour later cucky colitis kook that's a good title for him uh an hour later he comes back in they said quote with a pained and ashen look on his face yeah yeah um as he sat down at the table his lawyer went in here back into the uh debbie mcintyre cross-examination about a letter she had written explaining why she wasn't testifying at the bail hearing. And reading from the letter, McIntyre said, I had to back out to avoid getting in a terrible position. Jesus Christ, all the sexual innuendo. So the lawyer for McIntyre said that his client was prepared. Quote, it was certainly expected. And her testimony speaks for itself. That'sntyre said that his client was prepared. Quote, it was certainly expected and her testimony speaks for itself.

That's her lawyer said that. Now, prison psychiatrist testifies about Capano, who she treated in prison. And she said she knew Capano, whom she treated in prison, and Fahey, whom she only knew through what she called a psychological autopsy, the reading of her writings. You can't diagnose someone you don't treat. It's a psychological autopsy. I can't do that. That's weird. She characterized – yeah, she can give fun speculation on shit like that, but that's about it.

She characterized their relationship as warm and nurturing, the exact opposite of the prosecutor's picture of Tom as a manipulator. This psychiatrist also said, she's a neuropsychiatrist, also testified that the brother Jerry might suffer from drug-induced dementia, and that Jerry, a longtime drug user, testified that he helped his brother dispose of the body. She said that she never examined him, Jerry, of course. Only diagnosed it from sitting here. You know, but said that his testimony indicates he has long and short-term memory loss and a tendency to confabulate as well.

She also spoke of what she called Kapano's deteriorating physical and mental condition since he was arrested and imprisoned. He's now on multiple antidepressants, having a hard time sleeping. Oh, poor guy. He's in a cot with prison. Yeah, that's what prison is. And coping with the near isolation of his confinement. And she said she was considering having him sent to

a psychiatric hospital. That's right. They said Capano was fighting with his attorneys over the fact that he continued to write Debbie McIntyre, who eventually agreed to testify against him. They're like, she's going to testify against you. Stop writing to her. And he kept doing it. He was beside himself over the prospect of seeing her in court and said he couldn't stand it if she wanted nothing more to do with him. She said it was compulsion. He could not let go of that relationship. He felt very emotionally tied to her. Right. Okay. Tom testifies.

Atta boy! He has to. He has to. He has no choice. This is awesome. He said that Anne-Marie was dead lying on the floor in his house with a bullet in her head, and it was Debbie who shot her in a jealous rage.

Oh, really? Covering for Debbie the whole time. Yep. He says that Debbie was threatening suicide with a gun. She had a gun up and was threatening suicide when he reached for her gun. And at that point, a shot was fired and it went into her head. It was an accident. Total.

Just what the lawyer said. A crazy, horrible accident. That's what she says. They said, well, did you call the paramedics or police? And he said, no, I couldn't do it. He said, I'd have to get rid of the body because otherwise this is going to be terrible for everyone involved. I'm the governor's attorney and blah, blah, blah, the former this and that, my family. She's an administrator.

He said also, I was protecting my lover, Debbie McIntyre, who I've been with for 15 years he is literally trying to get away with murder and maintain the sexual relationship while blaming her yeah he wants to blame her for murder and still fuck her that's what he's hoping to pull out of good sex man wow this guy yikes he said I was going to attempt to keep this hidden and I was going to bury the cooler with Anne-Marie in it. So he said to selfishly protect myself and to unselfishly protect Debbie. Just the goodness of my heart. He said he wrapped her body and Marie's body in a blanket, put her in a large cooler from his basement. basement. Later, he said that Debbie returned to his home and helped him roll up the blood-stained rug and take the cooler to the garage. Then early the next day, he said he

drove to his brother Gerard's home, asking for the keys to the boat. He said his brother refused, knowing that Tom didn't know how to do anything with boats. He said, he asked me if I was in trouble, and I said yes, but I'll handle it. But Jerry still wouldn't give him the keys and insisted on helping because he said, I'll drive the boat.

So obviously a way different story than he's done. His brother told her that she told her, you know, anything like that. So Tom said that he and Jerry took the cooler to New Jersey, Stone Harbor, New Jersey, put it on the boat. They motored out to sea for hours before throwing the cooler overboard. They thought it would sink. It didn't. He said that's when Jerry shot it. But even after Jerry shot it, it still wouldn't sink. Yeah. So that's when Jerry gave his brother the anchors to weigh down the body and then went to another part of the boat. He said on the drive back, they discussed alibis, saying he had only gone to stone harbor that day to discuss business um so yeah he also testifies debbie had dropped the 22 caliber beretta pistol on the floor

of his home after the shooting but then late now in his testimony he says debbie either gave him the gun or took it away but he doesn't remember so um yeah yeah, he told, he said that he needed Debbie to help carry the cooler holding the body down a flight of stairs because he couldn't handle the load by himself. But later on in the testimony, he said before Jerry agreed to help with the sea burial,

he planned to load the cooler into his car and later into the boat by himself. And also, he only borrowed $8,000 from his brother Jerry in February because he had withdrawn $8,000 and $9,000 days earlier and thought the teller might be suspicious. But they ended up producing canceled checks showing Tom got money from Jerry before the second withdrawal. And Tom said he used $25,000 in a failed attempt to shock Fahey into entering treatment for anorexia. Trying to give her money to go to treatment.

He ended his direct testimony there by answering the question, did you murder Anne-Marie Fahey? And he said, no. A thousand times no. I loved Anne-Marie Fahey. On Cross, they weren't that nice. Now, first of all, for Cross, he's got a thick stubble on his face because the prison ran out of razors, so he couldn't shave. Oh, shit.

How about give them to the people who have court that day first, and then everybody else gets them after that? Yeah, because that doesn't look good for a jury, honestly. That's something you could bring up in an appeal, even. They made me look like a fucking swarthy asshole. Like a lunatic. Especially, they made me look like a typical shadow honestly. That's something you could bring up in an appeal, even. They made me look like a fucking swarthy asshole. Like a lunatic. Especially, they made me look like a typical shadowy fucking, you know, half beard on my face.

There's a way to have a classy stubble where you look good. The neck beard does not look good. That wasn't good for him. So, yeah, they asked him since June 28, 1996, how many crimes have you committed? Oh, God.

He didn't know what to reply. So they asked him how many lies he told to cover up the disappearance. He said he didn't know and agreed there were too many to count. So they also bring up a gun. Okay. bring up a gun. Okay. They bring up a case that he,

they said, you got the idea to throw Fahey's body into the ocean and dispose of the gun from Robert squeaky Sanders, Sanders and accomplices dumped Joseph spoon Johnson in a, in a Creek near Delaware city, but floodgates kept the corpse from reaching the river. Johnson was shot behind the ear. Just as Tom claims Fahey was accidentally shot by the gun. The gun that killed Johnson in that Lather case

was taken apart, disposed of in pieces, and never found. Tom testified he put the gun in a cooler with the body and then dumped it in the ocean. They said this case has striking similarities to that case. He denied the... He said, no, there's no connection. But then the guy said, didn't you make the closing arguments in that case he denied the he said no there's no connection but then the guy said didn't you make the closing arguments in that case oh no because the time said i'm unfamiliar with that case and he said actually you made the closing argument in that case and showed him the transcript

so they read excerpts from the transcript and capano said he couldn't recall what he had said a day ago. Never mind. Twenty two years ago. I don't fucking know what he said. Oh, that is wild. That is that is fucking interesting. So they said also Capano was agitated when Connolly talked about a phone call Tom made to the secretary of chief deputy attorney general Keith Brady at 8 a.m. the morning following the death he's real close with that guy Tom left a message for Brady checking his

availability for drinks that night he's on his way to dump a body hey what are we doing tonight wow do you want to come over and meet me over at fucking McIntyre's house what do you think yeah gee come on to Debbie's the prosecutor said this is less than 10 hours after the death of Anne-Marie Fahey, whom you deeply loved, so you say. He said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Seven no's. Tom said, I will play your games, but not this one. I did deeply love Anne-Marie Fahey. You didn't even know her.

I didn't kill her either. Yeah. So you definitely fucked Debbie the next night. That's what they keep saying. And you called Brady to have drinks that night while you're just. Wow. Incredibly callous here. He said that she just burst in.

Debbie burst into the room 11 p.m. June 27th and just fucking burst into the great room of his house where they were him and Anne-Marie were watching television. At first they were startled, he said, but Anne-Marie stayed seated. They said she didn't jump up or flee or anything like that. Instead, she just put on her pantyhose, which she had removed earlier, and her shoes. And they said, Anne-Marie's not frightened. And he said, no, you don't know Anne-Marie. The gun wasn't pointed at her anyway.

Oh my God. A crazy lady bursts in waving a gun around. Everybody's uncomfortable. She's not just like, oh, that's cool and starts eating Doritos. Starts putting on her fucking legs.

Nobody's doing that. Oh my God. And he also says, you're asking me about something that happened so long ago and that I've tried not to think about. You better fucking think about it. You've tried.

You've somehow suppressed one of the fucking craziest nights you've ever had. It's crazy. They go over a lot of stuff with the money and all that stuff. And it's a lot. So the verdict comes in. You've heard from everybody. Yeah. Verdict is.

What do you think here, Jimmy? There's no fucking way he's found innocent. There's no way. Guilty of first degree murder for Mr. Tom. Now the sentencing, he can get the death penalty for this or life in prison. Yeah. So the sentence of death is recommended by a 10 to 2 vote of the jury here. But under Delaware state law, the jury's recommendation can carry weight,

but the decision is on the judge at the end of the day. His other option is life without parole. The judge said this. This is a good you, sir, may fuck off. The defendant fully expected to get away with murder, and were it not for his own arrogance and controlling nature, may well have succeeded he said he's a malignant force an angry sinister controlling malignant force which

dominated this courtroom for months he then picked apart his demeanor he said he criticized him for attempting to use his family as a shield against prosecution belittled him for his constant attempts to shift blame to others, mocked him for the way he would rant and raged about prosecutorial tactics, chided him for berating and bullying his own defense attorneys, whose advice and counsel he continually ignored. He said no one except the defendant will ever know exactly how or why Anne-Marie Fahey died. By all accounts, she had ceased to be the defendant's lover

but had never escaped his sphere of influence, control, and manipulation. The defendant has no one to blame for the circumstances he finds himself in today except himself. Oh, boy. He then called him a ruthless murderer and said his only remorse is for himself.

You suck! Uh-oh. May fuck off. Death penalty. Holy! Eat all the dicks. No body. Death penalty. Death penalty. Wow. The family's happy.

They said the sentence is not something that should be celebrated because it's not going to bring the sister back, so they're just happy he's not going to be able to do it to anyone else. They're very reasonable, his family. They're not like, hang him in the public back. So they're just happy. He's not going to be able to do it to anyone else. They're very reasonable as family. They're not like, hang him in the public square. They're like in jail forever or death. Yeah.

Just as long as he can't hurt anybody. That's fine. And he's not going to bring my sister back, which is the correct way. 2001. So 99 was the case was the trial. 2001, a movie comes out TV miniseries starring Mark Harmon and Olivia Dukakis.

Really? Mark Harmon plays Tom. Who'd Olivia play? She's pretty old. Maybe his wife, possibly. I hope she played McIntyre. She might have played his mom. Oh, you're probably right.

Yeah, probably his mom. I want Olivia Dukakis just to be a dirty fucking prosecutor blowing. I want Olivia Dukakis just to be a dirty fucking prosecutor blowing. I want the scene where Mark Harmon whacks it while somebody blows his friend. That's the scene I want. While Olivia Dukakis blows another guy. They cut that part out of summer school, you know what I mean?

I didn't get to see that. You don't see that on NCIS very rarely. Is that the one he's on? I don't fucking know. He's tugging while he's throwing a ball into the ocean for a dog oh shit 2006 is an appeal the delaware court holds that the death penalty sentence based on a non-unanimous finding violates the u.s supreme court ruling from 2002 and said a new death penalty sentencing hearing would be difficult, the prosecutor said, because two key witnesses, his brothers, did so in

exchange for plea agreements. And this time the prosecutors would have no leverage over the men. They wouldn't have to testify again. OK. So they announced that they will not seek the death penalty for Tom and instead he will be life in prison without parole. At least there's that. Yep.

The Fahey family said they supported the state's decision to seek that as well. They said, when Anne Marie was murdered, we maintained that the most important thing for us was that her murderer would be convicted and sent to prison. We are satisfied. What a healthy attitude. we are satisfied. What a healthy attitude. 2011, at 12.34 p.m. on a day at the James T. Vaughn Correctional Center, Tom is found unresponsive in his cell and is found to be dead of natural causes at 61.

Heart attack probably, huh? Probably. We'll give the family the last word here, the Fahey family. Tom Capano's death does not change the fact that Anne Marie was taken from us far too soon sadly nothing will ever bring her back to the family and to those of us who knew her and deeply admired her

she was one of the loveliest kindest persons I've ever had the privilege of serving with we miss her still and we'll never forget her my thoughts and prayers are with her and her family during this difficult time that is the office of the prosecutors there. So there you go. That is Wilmington, Delaware.

And one fucking hell of a weird case. That guy's a dick. He got the death penalty anyway because if they had given him the death penalty, they wouldn't have murdered him by now anyway. You know what I mean? Probably not. Maybe, yeah.

Either way, he died. He died. He's dead. We'll take it. Who gives a shit? Probably not. Maybe. Either way, he died. He died. He's dead. We'll take it. Who gives a shit? 61, so young. Yeah. There you go.

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