Small Town Murder - #484 - The Oatmeal Killer - Carmel, Indiana

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

This week, in Carmel, Indiana, a custody battle between exes turns dangerous, when one starts asking around, about any hitmen that can help out. When none seem to be available, the whole thing turns into a ridiculous comedy of of errors, involving the killer's children, and other exes, before this person finally succeeds with the murder, using some of the strangest weapons that we've heard of... oatmeal, a neck tie, and fentanyl.Along the way, we find out that Greeks use unmelting cheese, that you usually don't reheat oatmeal, and that you shouldn't try to enlist everyone you've ever met, in your murder plot!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So this week for crime and sports, we're going to talk about the trials and tribulations of Hulk Hogan. He's done a lot of dumb stuff over the years. Boy oh boy. And dumb stuff with his kid killed a guy. It's so much stuff. We'll talk all about that. Then for Small Town Murder, we're going to talk about a popular demand, back by popular

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OK. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy, shall we? Here we go. We are going to Indiana here. OK. Yeah, going to the middle of the country. We're going to Carmel, Indiana. Carmel or Carmel?

Well, you know what? Who knows? That's the thing. It's probably Carmel, right? It's C-A-R-M-E-L.. Yeah it's just like just like the one by the sea. Absolutely yeah Point Loma with the waves crashing same exact thing they have it all over. Gorgeous yeah. This is actually just in the northern suburbs of Indianapolis. Yikes. Yikes yeah we've been in Indianapolis it's uh. Cold. It It is cold. It's a windy place too.

Industrial, I'll say that. It looks like... There's a lot of steam fog. It looks like it's like 1987 and they forgot to tell everybody in there. It's very interesting. Yeah, yeah. It's a weird city.

It's about an... Less advanced Detroit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hasn't started coming back yet. It's about an hour and 40 minutes to Dillsboro, which was our last Indian episode. Hell yeah. Which was, did the dog do it?

Which was amazing. A woman blamed her dog for a murder, and it was pretty amazing. This is in Hamilton County. Now the population right now is above where we'd normally do it. It's 98,137. Jet loads.

This is all in the last 20 years. It had, in 2000, it had like 30,000 people. 98,137. But this is all in the last 20 years. It had in 2000, it had like 30,000 people, 25,000. Really? Yeah, so this is what happened. People fled Indianapolis and came here because it's just fascinating. Because it's like a small suburb and it's kind of like small town.

Peyton Manning left. Took off, he said, no more of this shit, I'm going, moving out. So like the place we're gonna talk about today, the house is very leafy little street and it's a very small town type thing here. Median household income here, as we know the people who are moving,

they're the people with money, $119,772. Median home price here, $493,000. My Christ. This has gotten to be a very leafy and expensive. A fluent, yeah. and expensive suburb. The motto here, a partnership for tomorrow. With who? Give us your money and you'll be our partner.

Yeah, a partnership with who? About what? I don't know. Very vague. History of this town. It was originally called Bethlehem. Oh. Yes, and then they were like, there's a lot of places called Bethlehem.

What the hell are we doing? Not one Jesus here. No, well, the other one too is in Pennsylvania, the one with the steel. And then also they found out, well, the original settlers were Quakers that came here. Now they had to establish it as Carmel in 1846 because when they tried to get a post office they said, hey, we already have a post office called Bethlehem in Indiana. So you can't have that, dummies. There's already one in Indiana.

Already one here. There's one in Pennsylvania. There's one in the Middle East. Get over it. Stop it. So they renamed it then. Actually, they tried to do it in 1846 and they couldn't, it didn't work. They said, oh no.

So then they decided on Carmel in 1874 is when they incorporated and got a post office we couldn't figure it out this town actually has one of the first automatic traffic signals in the US were installed really an intersection off Main Street in 1924 oh 1924 first automatic what the sensor was for that? It might have just been time. Might have been timed. Oh, it might be, yeah. That would have made sense, too. Even the ones that exist today are mad primitive. It's just a coil of copper underground

that finds the metal from your car. It's crazy how primitive everything is. It's all primitive. No technology. No, no, no. And then it changes. Everybody's like, oh, it's a weight sensor. No, it's not.

Maybe if I bought this light car, I mean they can't can't find me That's what that's why motorcycles sometimes can't get them to change because there's not enough fucking metal Or the metals not low enough or whatever it is, but it's just not enough weird reviews of this town We have a couple of them here. Here's a five-star Five stars it is a great place to own a house But you will have to work in Indianapolis and commute for 40 minutes. Carmel is very safe, even at night.

Great place to own a house. Great place to own a house. So weird. Three stars, traffic is awful. If you're laid back and low maintenance kind of person, you won't feel comfortable living in Carmel with the high pace. It's like, it's basically Manhattan, you know what I mean? It comfortable living in Carmel with the high pace.

It's basically Manhattan, you know what I mean? It's like the stock exchange all the time there. The hustle and bustle of fucking Indianapolis. It's a real pressure cooker in these suburbs of Indy over here. People are nice and schools are great. Okay. And then finally, one star, I personally didn't like Carmel because of its superficial and egotistical environment.

Yeah, they and burn. They're all people with some money. Yeah, it's a nice place to live, but it is way too competitive and materialistic that it tends to bring a lot of people, especially teenagers, down. Oh. They're rich kids. They have nothing. There's rich kids that made you feel bad.

Yeah. It has- Put you down when you don't have navigation in your car. That's it. What are you using your phone? What the fuck is that? Look at you down when you don't have navigation in your car. That's it. What are you using your phone? What the fuck is that? Look at you. Oh, you don't even have a thing for it. A brace, you gotta hold it.

Is that even in your dash? No. This is bullshit. It has its pros, but it also has its cons. And more cons than pros. So one star. Things to do, the Indie Greek Festival. Is that what they got there?

Yes, they held it in Carmel here. It is, it's all about Greek Festival. Is that what they got there? Yes, they held it in Carmel here. It is all about Greek shit. The Hellenic Dance Program is a ministry that brings Holy Trinity's youth and adults together in Orthodox Christian fellowship and affords them the opportunity to live, learn, and experience the Hellenic culture. That's the dance people there. Yeah, dance, but only in the name of religion. And it's filled with members of all ages from elementary school through adults.

All the best clubs are all ages as we know. Those are always the most fun. And then you can experience authentic Greek music by George Karras. Yeah, he's been... I guess that's a Greek guy. Says he's been traveling across the country sharing his love of Greek music and entertaining audiences, Greek and non-Greek alike. All the non-Greeks love to hear traditional Greek music. That's what we all pine for.

Even the bald chested can come. Anybody, even people without tufts of hair on their shoulders can be there. He has performed over 1500 events500 events including weddings, festivals, dances, Greek nights and barbecues. Don't doubt that you play barbecues. Jesus Christ, man. A big barbecue gig next week. Oh man, that's a good one too. I hear there'll be ribs there, they got sausages. This is going to be a real good one, I'll tell you what. Holy shit.

You get some KC Masterpiece on your guitar. That's not a good gig, man. No, that's bad. A sweet baby raise ends up in your fucking tuning area. Yeah, you're tuning for it. You got a problem. It's on your fucking flat top guitar. You don't want that.

My frets are all sticky. What's happening here? All this hickory. Oh, Jesus Christ. It was the honey barbecue. That's what it was. That honey's sticky. It's very sticky. What's happening here? Oh, this hickory. Oh, Jesus Christ. It was the honey barbecue. That's what it was. That honey sticky. So you can also learn how to prepare authentic Greek dishes, enjoy that Greek fest and in Greek homes. There's a, there's a tent that says cooking demo and it's somebody making Greek shit in the middle of the field. I fucking love those olive leaves wrapped around rice or couscous or whatever the fuck's

in that. Those are so good. Not a big Greek food enthusiast. I like that one. That's my favorite thing. And gyros are good too. Yeah, they're okay. When you grow up Italian, Greeks aren't like, they're like, ah, they all hate the Greeks for some reason.

And the Greeks don't like the Italians. They're next to each other when you want. Yeah. It's just a sour Italian food kind of thing is what it feels like. Yeah, it's almost like, yeah, what's left over at the end of an Italian. What's left over, we'll pickle it.

How about that? How about that? We'll wrap a leaf around it and put this awful cheese in it. And pickle the mother fuck out of it. Put this terrible cheese that won't melt in it also. Yeah, that's very bizarre. You make a cheese that won't melt, I don't wanna hear about it.

You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. Ah, yeah, the worst cheeses are a cheese that won't melt, I don't want to hear about it. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. Yeah, the worst cheeses are the ones that don't melt. It's got to melt, man. At least a little bit. It's soft, something. It just kind of sits there. If I take a bite out of it and it stays wholly in one piece, that's a problem.

And then they're like, no, let's put it in every salad. Okay, fine. Yeah, why can't I, I stab it with a fork and it doesn't even crumble. That's bizarre. No, it just stays. And it won't melt, how is this? Even cheddar melts.

Let's talk about some murder that is non-cheese related. All right. Let's do it. All right, let's talk about some people, man. This is weird here. Let's talk about Francis Kelly. Okay, Francis Kelly, K-E-L-L-E-Y, by the way. Fellow or a lady?

He's a fellow, actually. He's a lady. He's a lady fellow. Okay, all right. Francis is a man. He's 46 years old back in 2019, and we're gonna start our story here. So it's a very, very newer one, much newer story.

His parents are Francis Senior. So he's a junior and this is fucked up, okay? His mom's name is Francis too. Is he named after mom and that's how he's a junior? No, no, no, his dad is F-R-A-N-C-I-S and his mom is F-R-A-N-C-I-S and his mom is F-R-A-N-C-E-S. So his parents are Francis and Francis. This is the Francis household.

Everybody's Francis here. It'd be amazing if his mom's maiden name was Kelly without the E also. That'd be hilarious. Just a Y. But they're all Francis and they name him Francis. That is fucked up. And Junior, so nobody knows who he's named after.

What's his middle name? No, there are is his middle or no A is his he's not a junior. He's only his first name after his dad So he was born in Cleveland here and he went to St. Ignatius High School and He also attended Ohio State University Then he went to Butler University as well to obtain his master's degree. Yeah. That is in 2007. Grad school son of a bitch.

Yeah, so this guy is, he does stuff. Very smart. He knows how to fill out paperwork and like apply for things. Okay, he does. I'm impressed. And show up. He shows up.

He shows up, James. Has like reports done on time. Yeah. I could never do any of this. That sounds like an insurmountable Obstacle to do all that stuff very organized that organization is incredible this shit and comedy are the only things I've ever liked been Together with yeah, everything else. I don't know what I'm doing. It's a mess a terrible employee so

He has two daughters that we'll talk about One's a few years old and then one is a baby, as we'll talk about, because he's gonna be fighting with his ex here about custody and things like that. So he is 46 years old, like we said in 2019, and he's got a ex here, an ex-girlfriend, named Heidi Marie Littlefield. And it's just Little and Field, Little Field. She's 42 at the time.

By the way, look them up, both of them drive horribly. They both have tons of speeding tickets and all sorts of. Both of them, yeah, Francis and Heidi. Improper display of plates Heidi has. Oh, Heidi? That's usually like- Then we go in one, I think there's a specific spot. Well, not that, that's a lot of times too,

if someone else's tag is on your car, or you have someone else's plate still have improper. She didn't just like bolt it to the sun mirror or something, sun visor. She put it under her bumper. We can't see it under there. No, I think that's a lot of times they charge you for that when you have like, let's say you have another car

and you take that plate and it's not a stolen plate, but it's not the plate that belongs on that car. It's one that has legit stickers on it because your other one's expired and you're just doing this until you can get the money. I have one car on the road and one car not. Let's make them both on the road now. Let's make them both the same car.

And she got tickets, by the way, less than a year apart for going 53 in a 35 and 52 in a 35. I bet they were at the same place too, I guarantee you, she got, son of a bitch. This is a speed trap, yeah. You got me again?

Got me again. Now they have a baby named Brinley in 2019. So they have a little girl, these two. Pretty much immediately, they're not, I don't think by the time the baby's born, I don't think they're together anymore. And they are having a serious, they're always fighting, these two. Not on the same page from the start.

Not from the very beginning here. I don't know, I mean just enough to get her pregnant and that was about it. And then from there on, it was we don't like each other anymore. And Heidi does not want Francis to have a relationship with the baby. Really? Heidi does not want Francis to have a relationship with the baby. She also doesn't want her adult children to interact with Kelly. They're not his kids, they're just her adult children. She's got a bunch of kids from, she's got five kids at this point and then in 2020 she's going to get pregnant again.

My god lady. So she's got five kids ranging in age from the 20s on down to this baby baby. Still fertile as fuck. Oh yeah, yeah. Down to a baby baby. So she is really likes to have some kids here. So she doesn't want her adult kids to hang out with him either, even though they liked him, I guess.

So it's very weird. So this all goes on all through 2020 where they're fighting about custody and they're going through the courts now whereas in January of 2021 they have a hearing scheduled for a custody thing and it's a whole big kerfluffle. Because you don't just get to say no. I mean yeah I have right you have parental rights. Yeah if you pay child support you get to see your kids and that's just how it works.

So police get a call on October 27th, 2020. Okay, now they get a call. It's not the emergency number. It's not like 911, it's the administrative number that this person calls. The non-emergency. Non-emergency, yeah. So I'd like to talk to somebody

about something type of shit. Not, you know, the house is on fire, come right now. The baby's turning blue. Like it's none of that shit. Give me some guidance on this legal question that I have. Well, not really a legal question, it's more of a statement. It is, he says, quote, it's a male voice,

and he says, there's a possible crime that's going to happen in Zionsville, Indiana that could take someone's life. There's, it hasn't yet. Not hasn't yet. Hasn't even started. I know of a murder plot, is what he's saying. That's a yeah That's a very like, you know, I'm trying to be professional way of saying I know some people are gonna kill some other people

He said quote. This is 942 p.m. October 27th 2020 said quote you can't let this situation go down That's all he would say though That's what he calls. That's the Clark County Sheriff's Office, which isn't the county we're in here and not the county where this is supposed to take place. Then at 1027 PM, the same guy calls the Boone County Sheriff's Office in Indiana and says, quote, I don't really know this gentleman, but I know the person he's associated with. And I've heard something that could be bad Happening to the gentleman because of a custody issue. Oh

Boy, so they're like, okay. Well who this is way too vague You can't just go out in the street and go who's planning on killing somebody now Yeah, a name some names maybe a location phone number would be terrific phone number be a may you gonna kill that guy? Don't and then you hang up hurt heard about a merc plot. Let's talk. This is the cops maybe a location. A phone number would be terrific. A dress. Phone number would be amazing. Hey, you going to kill that guy? Don't. And then you hang up. Heard about a merc plot. Let's talk.

This is the cops. Don't kill that guy. Yeah. Hey. It's the cops. How often would murder plots be, if the cops called you and said, hey, don't kill that guy, you probably wouldn't, because you'd be like, shit,

they know I'm going to do it. I can't do it now. Hey, we know it hasn't happened yet, but we heard tell it may. How about don't? Don't. Hey, how about maybe just try not to, if we heard tell it may how about don't don't hey How about maybe just try not to if that's possible? What if you don't? Could you not not maybe that try that so he continued his name is Fran and the lady's name is Heidi Littlefield now we're getting somewhere here we go. Yeah

So the phone call the Boone County ended with him promising to call back with Littlefield's address I'll get her address and I'll call you back. Okay, he never called back Maybe still looking and the cops just went I don't know and just went on with their shit They never followed up on it. They didn't go. Let's look up Heidi Littlefield Maybe we can find out where she lives go talk to her. Yeah, nothing. They just went I don't know. He'll call back if it's real Somebody might die. Here's some names, I'll call back with an address. We'll wait on you forever, we'll indefinitely.

I called 911 when I was six and they called right back. What the fuck guys? Well he didn't call 911, he called the administrative line. Great point. If he called 911 they would have had his number, but this line doesn't save the phone numbers in there. Because it's not the emergency line. so they don't know who called they should change that maybe they should keep you know what those little caller ID things

from like the 90s remember the little box came free with a line and you you could click back the fucking from the time that shit was turned on I mean they had it all in there so so far yeah this is very strange he did give the Ohio dispatcher some his contact information before saying that he wanted to talk to someone about stopping a plot against his ex-wife's ex-boyfriend. This is Heidi's ex-husband. Oh boy.

Yeah. He said the whole thing, it felt like, and sounded like a movie or a soap opera, he said. So that was it. Then he said that my daughter, who's a daughter that I share with her, is the one who told me about this. So I think it might be real. So the kid knows?

22 year old daughter, Logan, knows about this. She'll be a big part of this whole thing. He said it was a multi-state murder plot. There's people from everywhere coming. I don't know what difference that makes where they're from, but multi-state, two people being involved from Ohio and another two, including the victim, live in Indiana. He said, it's about part of my family and my ex-wife and a new guy and all kinds of scary stuff." All kinds of scary stuff is going on. There's spiders.

Jesus. So, Clark County snakes are everywhere. You've seen those hissing cockroaches? They got them. Oh man, scary. So, Freddy Krueger I saw. I saw the face. I could see it.

A Clark's County Sheriff's Office deputy contacted him according to a call sheet record and advised him of the process for a welfare check. They said this is what you have to say to get a welfare check going. So then he calls back and says I'm making an anonymous phone call about someone's life possibly being in danger and I wanted them to do a wellness check but he wouldn't give his name this time. It's anonymous He did give a Heidi little field, but he said I don't ever address and The dispatcher said do you want to look and call me back? Yeah, and he said okay, and then never called back didn't leave his number and They don't know his name, but they know two different departments know Heidi little field is planning on killing a guy

Yeah that they do know well at least they they've heard but they know two different departments know Heidi Littlefield is planning on killing a guy. That they do know. Well, at least they've heard. They've heard. Problem is he didn't call either actual jurisdiction of where this man lives. Where is that? In Carmel, which is Hamilton County.

They are not told at all about this. So they have no idea. They're never warned. These other two departments are warned. So yeah, they said it was the administrative line which does not show caller ID. Calls that go to that line through a dial tree system before getting to dispatch according to.

So it goes through a couple other numbers so it shows probably an internal number. It doesn't show what the external is. In 2019, this is the state of affairs. This isn't 1987. This is 2019, these people are on Instagram affairs. This isn't 1987. This is 2019. These people are on Instagram. These people are on fucking TikTok.

Never mind Instagram. These people are on TikTok going, I don't know, we ain't got the number and then doing a stupid dance. That's what they're doing right now in 2019. That's wild. There's been a whole country of people bathing each other in water for ALS by now. This is unbelievable. Five years before this ALS by now. Oh, God. This is unbelievable.

Five years before this, for Christ's sake. This is unbelievable. This is crazy. So this all stems from these custody problems. Now, Francis is the father of Heidi's younger than two-year-old daughter at this point. She's born in 2019. They have a hearing scheduled for January 27th, 2021, because Francis claims that Heidi was, quote, violating the parenting time order.

And police said they had a court hearing scheduled here due to Fran's allegation of this. So the main concern was Heidi not allowing Fran to pick up the child when it's his time to like court ordered and that she would when he was allowed she would stay in that in his house during the parenting time she'd like sit there not a lot and watch it's like listen supervised visit aren't on this thing and soup even supervises not with her yeah you don't get the fucking watch yeah you don't get to hang out with your arms crossed fucking complaining the whole time.

Judging. Nope. He claimed she was not letting him pick the daughter up and just wouldn't leave. So during this time, she is pregnant with her sixth child, by the way, Heidi, as well. Oh dear, well she has the pregnant brain too. Think about through all this, she's got five kids, one of them a baby, and she's pregnant while she's plotting all this. So this is some diabolical shit here.

Her not his that she's pregnant with? No, no, no, somebody else's. Somebody else's? Somebody else's, yeah. She's got a bunch of, there's a bunch of different dads involved here. So her daughter is Logan Marie Runyon. That's the 22-year-old who she tells about this plot.

And at some point during this, after Kelly, because in March 2020, Francis had filed the papers to get better custody and complain about her visiting and all that kind of shit. So it's been going on a long time. During this, Heidi got upset and was like, I don't want to deal with this guy in court. I don't want him to see the kids or the kid period. So she approached two of her adult daughters, not Logan, two other adult daughters that she has and said, would you guys help me purchase some drugs so I could poison Francis? I'm going to poison Fran. Remember that guy

that I had this kid with? I'm going to poison him. You guys want to help me? They said, no, you fucking lunatic. Hell no. I'm not helping you. No, I'm not your sister's dad. Yeah. Not doing this. This is insane. So they refuse to help her, actually. But they don't like- Go buy drug, like what kind, like prescription or like fucking coke? You'll hear. Yeah, no, it's coming. Oh boy.

They said no. So then she went to Logan Runyon, the 22 year old. I guess she just went down in age. Pretty soon the two year old, she's going to be like, look, you got it. I know you don't quite understand what I'm saying, but you need to focus. She said, listen, will you help me get some poison and some fentanyl? That's what I'll put in them and I'll kill this fucking guy. So she's been watching. You can help me do that. And she says, I'll give you some of the life insurance

Proceeds that the daughter that the new baby is gonna get cuz there's she's got life insurance for the baby And so, you know, it'll be worth your time. Don't worry about it So Logan says sure why not I'll help out Logan Logan I'll help kill this guy You know where to get fentanyl, Logan? You monster. Let's face it, it's Indiana. It's, I mean, I feel like any of those kind of drugs are probably pretty easy to come by in the Midwest as far as any of the manufactured drugs.

Yeah, you probably just buy anything and you'll get a little fat too. It's in there, yeah. It's in there, probably. It's a bonus this week, yeah. So Logan has a boyfriend named Robert James Walker. He's 29 years old. It's a bonus this week, yeah. So Logan has a boyfriend named Robert James Walker. He's 29 years old. And she recruits all RJ into this.

Come on, rim job, help me out here. So, Logan purchases the fentanyl. They find some fentanyl, straight fentanyl now. Some people for some reason do that as their drug. It's not just mixed in, they actually just like fentanyl. She just found real ass fentanyl, straight fentanyl now. Some people for some reason do that as their drug. It's not just mixed in, they actually just like fentanyl. She just found real ass fentanyl. She found fentanyl and on October of 2020, Heidi brings Fran some soup.

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Well, it tastes like the broth. So, yeah. Yeah, you can put anything in there and it'll taste good. And it just, even the texture is weird, but it just disappears right now anyway, so it gives a shit. That's why we discovered soups, I think, as a people. Yeah, to make everything. There's awful shit that we don't want to eat, but if we put it in a soup, we can make it

taste better and make it have the taste of the soup and just get it down. Get that chicken broth flavor on it. It's fine. It's going to be delicious every time. Yeah. Get some bouillon in there and you're good. Throw some beef, whatever. So they bring over the soup laced with fentanyl.

Okay. And they think he's going to eat the soup with the fentanyl and then drop dead. That's the plan. This're going to, they think he's going to eat the soup with the fentanyl and then drop dead. That's the plan. Which is funny because they do, there's a, for a long time, the last year it's kind of, it's been debunked a lot, but for a long time there was this like myth about fentanyl where, yeah, like if a cop touched fentanyl and he dropped dead the next, that never, ever, ever, ever, ever happened. That's not true. Not real. There's a mist people wander around malls spraying it. Not real.

That's not true or real. You will not die if you touch it. It's just not how it works. It's not that it's they wanted it to be a thing that it's not. So not that it's good. I'm just saying but that's not true. It doesn't take a lot. Right. It doesn't take a lot just to die from it. But there were no cops like accidentally touched it and then they dropped fucking dead. That doesn't happen. So that's what they're thinking, I think, though, that like he'll have a little bit of it. He'll just die. It's just going to drop right dead. So he didn't, though. No, he didn't die. He ate the soup. He got sick from it, but he just thought maybe it got cold. He didn't eat it at the right soup. He got sick from it, but he just thought maybe it got cold.

He didn't eat it at the right temperature. Didn't hold well, maybe. Or maybe it was something else. Maybe it wasn't the soup. Who knows? So later on in the same month of October, Heidi talks to Robert Walker, her daughter's boyfriend again, and she's like, can you help me with something? More fentanyl? No, no, no, no, no,

this time I'm gonna do it right. You know any hit men by any chance? Oh, Jesus. Which that always goes well when someone starts looking for a hit man. Do you know a hit man? You know a hit man. Oh boy. He acknowledged that he, quote, knew someone.

Right away, I don't want this guy going out with my daughter anymore either. He's willing to help with murders and he knows hitmen. Get the fuck away from my 22 year old. So he said he knew. And he can get fentanyl like right now. Right now, yeah, he can grab it, no problem. So she said, okay, great.

Here's $2,500 as a down payment to give to the hitman. Oh. So you give this to the hitman. Instead. 10% up front, what is that? We don't know, maybe 2,500 will get the ball rolling, I feel like. That's your retainer fee.

Yeah, well yeah, you keep that on retainer. You never know when you're gonna need him. You gotta have a hitman ready to go, otherwise it's like a doctor's appointment. There's gonna be a lag in appointments for new, take a couple months to get in there. So they take the $2,500 and never contact the person and instead just spend the money on hotels and drugs.

Yeah, because rim jobs not fucking reliable. Nope. They just spend $2,500 on seedy middle Indiana motel rooms and and drugs and just do that for a couple of weeks and this all the money. And Francis is thriving. Yep and he's like this is Francis is doing fine he's all recovered from the Miso incident he's ready to go. So this this by the way is fucking insane so there's the Miso soup then there's this that this is attempt number two at killing him with the miso soup.

Then, wow, January 14th, 2001. Fran sends Heidi a text. Oh. And he says, quote, did you do something to the oatmeal that was in my fridge? That's the text. Yeah. Imagine texting your ex. Did you do something to the oatmeal that was in my fridge? It's all gone too far at that point. Yeah. Just that text to tell everyone

this shit has gone way too far. We should never talk to each other again. So she replied, what the actual fuck are you talking about? That's a fun conversation. That's fun. She says, quote, you were in my fridge last night and it tasted funny after a couple bites and now I'm lightheaded. Whoa. She says, quote, who the fuck puts oatmeal

in the fridge is her response to that. Which for once I agree with her at that point. You eat oatmeal, once it gets cold you throw it away. There's no saving oatmeal for later. Is it the cylinder of dry oats that puts that in the fridge? No, it's a fucking bowl of oatmeal that he had. He made a bowl of oatmeal and stuck that in the fridge.

And then he was gonna reheat oatmeal. What are you doing? Oatmeal's a one time thing. You got one shot with oatmeal, sorry. Who the fuck knows if that's what happens when you eat that? Yeah, maybe you shouldn't put oatmeal in the fridge. What are you doing? Oatmeal is a one-time thing. You got one shot with oatmeal. Sorry. Who the fuck knows if that's what happens when you eat that? Yeah, maybe you shouldn't put oatmeal in the fridge. Nobody's ever done that before.

Nobody's reheated oatmeal. That's why she said, who the fuck puts oatmeal in a fridge? Yeah, it's 12 cents a tube, man. Throw it away. That's the other thing. You buy a big, it's oats. It's not a lot. It's nothing.

It's nothing. Maybe he had fancy oatmeal. It's $3 for a thousand pounds.. He had some fancy steel cut shit. I Love that too. I don't target steel cut still 299. They found a way to charge an extra dollar for oatmeal It's steel cut. What the fuck did you cut it with before? Yeah, what is that? Everything that's cut is usually steel cut. Do you have wood blades? You're cutting it with was it rusty aluminum? What was the other one? steel cut. Do you have wood blades that you're cutting it with? Was it rusty aluminum? What was the other one? What were you cutting it with? Exactly. Bullshit. He said, should I have had my tetanus shot before I ate oatmeal before? What are we doing? Why is this happening?

She said, I don't know anything you do or want to your life and the stuff you say slash do is beyond me. So I don't know why oatmeal made you sick. January 15th, the next day, he exchanges some text messages with Heidi about the custody situation before the subject changes at 136 and they go on to just nothing shit. So the problem is that's the last time anybody hears from him is January 15th. The last texts he sends are to Heidi. Now what do they say? They're just about the custody stuff.

When am I going to see her? When is this? Blah, blah, blah. So then we find out on January 14th after the whole back and forth of the text message about the oatmeal or before that actually because this is earlier, this prompts the text about the oatmeal. Her daughter here, Logan and Heidi purchased more fentanyl that day.

That same day, Logan climbs through a fucking window to break into his house. Oh boy. Heidi lured Fran away from the house to go shopping for the baby. Like let's go shopping together for the baby. Let's try to be nice to each other. While she's gone, Logan's breaking into the house.

Okay. And that's inside, Logan laced the refrigerated oatmeal with fentanyl. That's what happened. Okay. So he got stoned. He got fucked up off fentanyl. He had oatmeal with fentanyl, which is not the... I've never heard of that as a delivery system for fentanyl before for people to get high.

Fascinating vehicle. Yeah. They're not like, man, you got the Quaker? Fuck yeah, man. You got the Quaker oats. I got the fentanyl. Let's get it on. You just never hear that before.

It's very rare. Steel cut gets me high. Steel cut, baby, is the only way to go. Nah, man, that other shit's bullshit. You won't get high at all. It's a real ride. Oh man. So the next day, Fran texted about,

you know, did you put some shit in my oatmeal? I feel funny, I feel lightheaded. That whole conversation. Shortly afterward, Logan and Heidi, along with the baby, drive over to Fran's house. Logan saw him through a window, lying on the kitchen floor saw him through a window lying on the kitchen floor. Yeah. Okay, he's lying on the kitchen floor. She entered the residence through a window and opened the front door for Heidi. So now they're both in

there, Logan and Heidi and the baby. Yeah. Who brings a two-year-old to a murder plot first of all? It's very rare that you see that. Well I'm sorry, it's my day with the kids. I don't know what you want I'm sure there was a mob hitman at some point that like popped up behind somebody and they heard like the baby cry They turned around what the fuck and he was like, it's my day with the fucking kids. All right, and then he shot him What do you want? What do you want from me? What do you want from me? It's quality time pow and then he shot the guy The court said I got rights. I got rights now. Come on, baby. Let's cut him up

Cut him up and bury him so He's breathing abnormally Fran is and gasping for air because he's taking had too much fentanyl here So Heidi grabs one of his neckties Because he's like she's like what the fuck why won't he die? This is crazy. Yeah, I've seen this on the news and it's not happening. It's just not dying like these cops who touched fentanyl three days ago. I don't get it.

So she goes and gets one of his neckties, ties it around his neck, and lifts him up probably about two to three feet several times, slamming his head to the floor. So she lifts him up by the tie and then pushes him down and tries to bash his head open and that'll kill him. Does she not get it? That doesn't look like a fentanyl overdose if you do that. He's laying there in warm up pants and a t-shirt with his fucking power tie on and fucking massive head wounds. Yeah this is normal this is what people do when they're on fentanyl.

It's got a shirt from a car wash on for Christ's sake. It's a giveaway man. It's a charity benefit car wash even. It says Paco on it it's just it was some guy's shirt. So she can't lift him up high enough to really give him a good slam though to kill him. So then she just chokes the fuck out of him with it. With the next time. Okay, now it's stupid. Overdose, see, obviously.

Head wounds, asphyxiation. Everything. Overdose. This man is just really Fuck that's a really terrible way to go off all this because he wants to see his daughter like this, right? He wasn't fucking with her on any other account is I'd like to see my daughter sometimes. That's it I want to be a good dad. Can I do that kill him fentanyl? Unbelievable so apparently Walker the boyfriend had advised Heidi to try to get Logan to snap his neck. Get Logan to snap his neck. So that's what they were doing with the necktie. They were trying to

lift him up and snap his neck. But Logan couldn't do it. So that's why they started Smash. Because she originally got down and tried to Sa-gall-em. Just tried to like fucking twist his head off with her bare hands. Grown man, it's really hard to do that with. Yeah, it's just, wha-pah, one snap, done. Didn't work like that like. Yeah, just, wha-pah, one snap, wha-shh, done. Didn't work like that, like in Kung Fu movies. So they were like, fuck. So they got the necktie and started smashing it down. Isn't it crazy how a neck is that fucking strong?

It's, I mean, it's, our bodies have realized that that's a weak point. Shit, no shit. So his ex, Courtney Nugent, he's got an ex and another kid, a nine-year-old daughter. So, on her birthday, which is like the next day, he doesn't show up to come get her. And he's a good goddamn dad. And he's a decent dad.

He's reliable. So, she said she had last heard from him two days earlier and she contacts the police. Okay, now at the same time, the same time this happened, one of Heidi's relatives contacts the police and says, I think this lady I'm related to killed her ex. Yeah, he said she made several incriminating statements like, quote, he's better off dead, I didn't mean to kill him last time, and I might as well just say I did it and just say I'm crazy like quote, he's better off dead. I didn't mean to kill him last time. Oh my God. And I might as well just say I did it and just say I'm crazy and pregnant and then left.

You know, hormones and all. Ha ha ha. Magnifying. Wow. I've never heard of that as a defense. No, for violent murder, three attempts at it too. This baby really wants him dead. That's all I keep getting.

I think the baby's possessed. I can feel it. And I didn't keep getting. I think the baby's possessed. I could feel it. And she, I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to last time. What the fuck? That's implying multiple tries. Then she said that Fran was abusive, which nobody else said. And that quote, she would be failing her daughter if, if the dude didn't end up dead. The dude. The dude, man. The deuterino. The deuterino. So after the call from the ex, Courtney Nugent saying,

I don't know what's going on here, police still haven't connected any of this, even though her name has been brought up by, this lady's gonna kill a guy, this lady, I think this lady might've killed a guy, nobody connects anything. The Carmel police head over to the house and knock on his door.

Nobody answers. Why did they do this? Is it a welfare check? It's like a wellness because they called and they're just gonna go let's go check on him. Okay. They knock on the door, no one answers, they just leave. No, we'll get them next time. Never mind, no one's home. He'll tell us if he's okay when he gets back. So they just leave, okay? Then the girlfriend or the ex said with their child said, there's something fucking wrong here. The cops won't do it. I'll go over there. So she went in and broke into his fucking house and found his body dead on the couch

on January 18th. He's been dead for three days. On the couch. Yeah. Wow. Right, you know, three feet from the front door that the cops are knocking at and said, well, I guess he's not here. Oh. They didn't even, no, you know three feet from the front door at the cops are knocking at and said well, I guess he's not They didn't even know smell nothing. Huh? Nothing. No, not yet. Definitely or they smelled and they were like, I don't want that paperwork

It's also January. It's cold, you know So She and saw him on the couch So then she fucking she said there was no signs of forced entry that she saw which I'm sure I don't think she's trained to look for signs of forced except for hers yes for her I mean I just get out of this place I mean there's me I kicked in the back door but other than that nothing like other than that so emergency personnel arrive and they examine Kelly and they say prolonged signs of death no shit, he's been dead for days.

Great call, guys. They said evidence of blunt force trauma to his eye and head, but the cause of death was determined to be asphyxia due to strangulation and neck compression. And also acute fentanyl intoxication as a contributing cause as well. They showed that the fentanyl would have made him groggy and unable to defend himself. They said fentanyl can result in a slow death and take up to 12 more hours for a person to die after ingesting the drug. Holy shit.

It's like if you took too much Tylenol, like you'd be fine, but then a day and a half later you just drop dead. That is fucked up. The fluid found in his lungs indicated he died a slow death, because he was dying. And then she just sped it up. He would have died anyway, but she made sure to speed it up some. The fluid found in his lungs indicated

he died a slow death, and the level of fentanyl in the system could have been considered as the cause of death, had that been the only finding at the autopsy, if his head wasn't bashed in and he wasn't strangled that was. So they. Except for two very obvious things. Yeah. So they classify it as a homicide.

Seems like it's like triple homicide. Like it's three different ways to kill him. They did everything but shoot him. So he also suffered from blunt force trauma to the head, the left hand, the elbow and knees. And they said also the fentanyl. So January 23rd, 2021, Heidi's ex-husband contacts the police and told them that her daughter Logan told him months earlier, this is the guy who would call the cops in October,

that Heidi paid Logan's boyfriend Robert Walker $2,500 to find someone to kill Fran. Why didn't you go to the cops Logan? What the fuck? They're writing the shit down now. So they said that that Logan Runyon was with her mother on January 14th and that both were in and out of Fran's residence on the evening of Thursday the 14th through the afternoon of Friday the 15th. They came back and forth multiple Fran's residence on the evening of Thursday, the 14th through the afternoon of Friday, the 15th. They came back and forth multiple times to check on him. He's dying, but he's not dead, what should we do? Then they talked to Walker,

and he says that Heidi told him that Logan put Fentanyl in Fran's oatmeal sometime on January 14th. So they said Heidi advised the ex-boyfriend that Heidi and Logan found Fran aspirating on the kitchen floor. Ex-boyfriend advised that Heidi also mentioned a lanyard around Fran's neck and believed it to be involved in the incident.

It was a necktie, it turns out. They also told police that Heidi asked him over the past several months about how much fentanyl would it take to overdose someone versus kill someone like the internet exists. Yeah. Look that shit up, dude. You're asking around about that. Well, last time I killed a guy with fentanyl. This is what I did. So October, she had been talking about this all through October and they now have video recordings. Her ex that called the cops had made recordings of her talking about this to protect himself.

So he now gives it to the police. He could have done that in October. That's the problem. And on this, she's talking about planning to plant drugs on Fran and how she wants Fran dead. So her original plan was to give him a bunch of fentanyl, then plant drugs on Fran and how she wants Fran dead. So her original plan was to give him a bunch of fentanyl, then plant drugs in the house like he was just a big drug user who accidentally overdosed.

But it didn't quite work out that way. So they arrest Logan here, and Logan tells police that her mother tried to convince her to take the blame for the whole case. She's 22, she's not 14, whereas you know, you won't get in trouble. You go to jail forever, let me be out. Your daughter.

Do me a favor. This Heidi is heartless, man. How much you love mama? Fuck, heartless Heidi over here. This is brutal, man. Hardcore Heidi is not cool. So. Yeah, see, how do you do that to your kid?

Like, I don't know how, I mean, she already involved her, so whatever, but telling her just say you did it, that's fucking unbelievable. At 22, just say you did it. You'll go to jail forever, but I'll be free. Right. So. I got a baby. Yeah, I'll be free It's fine. I'll take care of you. I'll like bring you stuff in jail. Don't worry. I'll make sure you have Snickers bars I'll keep you visited. It's fine

So Walker is arrested here on a separate incident that had nothing to do with this and then they were like, oh, yeah That's great. We were looking for Yeah, cuz you know, he's a general scumbag. And he tells detectives that she reached out to him in October looking for someone to take care of her problem, quote unquote. Wow. Her problem. He said, yeah, she gave me $2,500, but I spent it on drugs and had no intention of doing what she asked.

He's like, I was not going to. I was just trying to scam her. I'm a drug addict, not a murderer. I got problems. Yeah, come on, Jesus. I'm a drug addict, not a murderer. I got problems. Yeah, come on, Jesus, I'm a scumbag, but come on. Yeah. I'm an asshole, but I'm not a scumbag. There it is.

He advised that he was going to get another 2,500 once Fran was killed, that was the plan. So it was five grand total she was gonna pay, which as we found, not enough money to kill your husband. Far too affordable. Maybe in 1958 you could pay that. Yeah, that is cheaper than any used car on the market. Nowadays, if someone's charging less than 50 grand,

they're a cop or they're a crackhead who's gonna steal your money. One of the two, they're not real. Go further, James, if you can afford it. If it seems reasonable. Well, maybe you're very wealthy. It's a cop. Maybe you're very wealthy.

Maybe you can't afford it, but it better hurt You got to go 50 grand. It's gonna be six figures. It's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. So He said that that Logan had told him that when they found him Fran still in his home he was breathing and quote Heidi grabbed Fran's favorite tie and tried to strangle him and smash his head into the pavement and He said that Heidi blud and smash his head into the pavement. And he said that Heidi bludgeoned his head against the floor. Incredibly personal. Yeah. Walker alleged that Heidi had told him that Fran was abusive to her, their baby,

and everybody else, which no one else says here. So he also says, oh, by the way, I was around for the, I got the fentanyl for the miso soup incident also. Oh, oh. So there's that. So now they know there was like four attempts to murder this guy before they finally did it. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper.

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scene. All this type of drugs to shit. Yeah, she's got fucking forcibly giving people fentanyl. You can't do that. Yeah. It's a whole other, and she did that on a separate, on separate occasions. Those are separate charges. Right.

She's not even supposed to be in control of fentanyl. Yeah. Then they find, once they get everybody in there and start looking at their text messages, they find some real fun stuff. Oh, boy. Apparently here, they had talked about, um, Heidi had threatened her daughter and basically forced her to continue the assisting her in this plan. Uh huh.

Basically threatened that I'll say that you did the oatmeal. Oh shit. If you don't help me, sorry. Yeah. It's type of shit. So that comes out. That's not wonderful. Apparently after the murder, Logan had walked outside and waited in the car for 10 minutes until Heidi came out and then they drove to a restaurant where Heidi threw the necktie in a dumpster. Wow. So Logan is going to be charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder and Walker is going to be charged with two counts of conspiracy to commit murder, and Walker's gonna be charged with two counts of conspiracy to commit murder. Yeah, so they killed him with a necktie

and then took it with him, huh? Then took it with them and threw it out. That looks so bad. That looks... It's like upon autopsy and finding the body, that's, it's clear. Someone strangled this man. It couldn't be more obvious.

Yeah. It would be less funky if he was wearing a car wash giveaway T-shirt and a necktie. Yeah. Maybe he's just weirdly formal. We don't know. This is very eclectic, this guy. It would be less funky if he was wearing a car wash giveaway t-shirt and a necktie. Maybe he's just weirdly formal, we don't know. Very eclectic this guy. God damn it. So police, they ask the cops, hey, didn't you get warned about this like months in advance?

And this is fucking hilarious. They say, quote, I think in this case, one of the things we take away from this is, could we have dug a little deeper? Maybe. Maybe. That's what the cops, that's their fucking to this is, could we have dug a little deeper? Maybe. Maybe! That's what the cops, that's their fucking, to the press. Could we have tried harder?

Yeah. We're gonna use it as a learning. How about that? It's gonna be a training exercise here. This is. Yeah, we're gonna chalk it up to learning. What do you do? Re-education, guys.

What do you do if a guy calls up multiple times to various departments talking about a very intricate murder plot Nothing or something those are your a and b options. Yeah. Oh, no, it's something now. Now we say something we do we don't know what When you see something what do you guys do? What do you do? Fucking amazing. There's only one good answer guys. I love it. Could we have dug a little deeper maybe There's only one good answer guys. I love it. Could we have dug a little deeper? Maybe He said wouldn't have changed the outcome, I don't know

We did something Possible that someone wouldn't be fucking dead. We've done things and nothing happened. So yeah, maybe He said but there was some things we could have done better. Absolutely He said, but there was some things we could have done better. Absolutely. This is a post game NFL. It's a coach going, yeah, could we have played against the deep ball better? Yeah, we probably could have, but our run defense was strong. Room for improvement. Yeah, we're going to work on our defensive backfield, maybe play a little more nickel.

I'm not sure, but we're going to definitely work on it. End of the day, we got the job done. We came out with a W. Oh, shit. He sure, but we're going to definitely work on it. End of the day, we got the job done. We came out with a W. Oh, shit. He said, could we have done better? Absolutely. Just like it is in every single call that we take every single day. Could always do better, he's trying to say. Then they go on to talk. Jesus Christ, that's a dead man. They talk more about it. They're like, yeah, but you really fucked up bad. It's just bad.

And they said, listen, it was very vague what he said. He only had a crime and a name of a person who was gonna commit it. Super vague. What are we supposed to move on that? An active murder plot that someone has the name of the murderer? We can't get in.

We need more information. You guys don't understand. When there's only one person with that name here and they live clear across town. It's all right. Our rule is we need social security numbers for everyone involved. person with that name here and they live clear across town. Our rule is we need social security numbers for everyone involved. Murderer, murderery and then we'll look into it otherwise we can't do it. They said he didn't leave his contact info. Littlefield lived in Sheridan which was not the correct town that he said so you

know they could have just looked her up. I have a site called been verified. I could have looked her up and saw exactly who she was and where she was. I did it for this episode, found out about her traffic ticket. So you could do that. They have a whole police computer that has more shit in it. Oh God, I can't imagine what they can look at. And they go on to say that, you know, we didn't get his ID, his caller ID, and they said when it gets down to us, we have the trunk that it came in on, but we don't have the particular number.

It's just sort of the way that telecom works. Well, maybe it shouldn't. No, no it's not, it's 2019. The Boone County Major, Mike Beard, no, said that, he's hiding something, I'll tell you that much. Yeah, he is. Yeah.

Said that the dispatcher could have reached out to the town that the guy said was this was taking place with the information about Heidi and asked the ex-husband for his phone number before they didn't even ask him can we get your phone number? Nothing. Nothing. They said he could have asked and the dispatcher could have also tried to press for more specific details about the alleged plot too.

The guy says quote, we're very open to say it wasn't a perfect call. We're very open to it? I would hope so. Who would say we're closed off to? No, we don't think so. And people agree there's a guy named Joseph Jackalone. Hey, Joey Jackalone over here. Joey Jackalone, come over here. I've seen you for fucking years. I've known this guy since we was 12, Joey Jack alone. Look at him He's acting like he's too fucking big. He's too big for me now Joe. Joey. Come on Isn't Joe Jack a character from King of the Hill? 30 years I have no idea no clue

But that's it sounds like somebody that would be on the show This guy's a John Jay College of Criminal Justice adjunct professor and a former NYPD detective as well. And he said that the dispatcher should have followed up on the details given here. He said, quote, she should have been a little more proactive and run Littlefield's name and see if anything comes up in the database anywhere.

And at the very least, call over to Zionsville Police Department and say hey this is what we got this is a person's name and let them give it to a cop or a detective to handle it from there. That's how people who give a shit would handle it. Or you know what it is it's where people who don't want to look like fools it's called cover your ass you know yeah pass the buck at least hand it off to somebody that can do that you can't do anything, pass somebody else. DMV employees are like, I don't know,

come back with more information and they just hang up on you. But if something happens, you look like a fucking asshole. So the ex that made the call, her ex-husband, Heidi's ex-husband who made the October call, he repeatedly declines requests for media interviews, he won't talk at all, even though he's kind of the almost hero of the situation. He's like, I don't want to talk about it.

So Logan, prosecutors dropped the murder charge against her after she agrees to plead guilty to conspiracy to commit murder and testify against her mother. Oh shit. Yes. Her mom wants ever all of her information is corroborated by autopsy, so they think she's telling the truth and her testimony that Heidi placed the necktie around her neck and lifted him off the ground several times and banged his head on the floor was corroborated by the evidence of the injury to his voice box, Adam's apple, tongue and neck muscles.

Jesus. So she pleads guilty there. She will end up serving, you ma'am, may fuck off, 26 years in prison, they sentence her to. That is steep. As part of the plea deal, it agrees, also calls for four years of probation afterwards, and including the completion of a drug and alcohol treatment program and community service.

And she also has to testify against her mother and her boyfriend. Oh boy. Yes. They asked her later on why she, why did you do this? Why did you participate in this fucking murder plot? Your two sisters said no. Why did you do it? Yeah.

She said, quote, because I love her and because we never really had a good relationship. How sad is that? This poor girl just wanted to get closer to her awful, terrible monster of a mother and she said- I was looking for a hug. That's it. She had to give me an atta boy, an atta girl on it and I had been fucking psyched about it.

That's what she wanted. Oh, Jesus. Wanted mom to like me, wanted to have a better relationship. It'll bring you closer when you murder people, I guess. Oh boy, it will, Certainly. Same prison sometimes. Yeah, exactly. Same cell. Walker pleads too. He's going to plead too. Yeah. Old rim job. Old rim job. He's originally charged with two counts of conspiracy to commit murder,

and one where the victim died a level one felony and one where the victim did not die a level two felony. He agrees to plead guilty to conspiracy to commit murder. I think it's in the non-death to the level two. That's what he pleads guilty to and they plan to drop the first charge here. And this is because the whole trio tried to poison his soup. He's going to spend, you sir may fuck off,

10 years in prison With an additional ten years suspended plus four years of probation after he's done serving his time And he has to undergo drug treatment as well. So ten years. He was really the least culpable of anybody, but Without him and they aren't getting fentanyl though, right? I don't know if Logan probably knew where to get fentanyl to I think probably Yeah, you think if he knew what she probably did. He just, he just wanted a $2,500 vacation to Indy. That's all. A tour of Indy's seetier motels. Oh, wow. The gross side of Indy. That's almost time served at that point. So they said- He's in hell already, for sure. Yeah. His attorney said,

this plea is based on the limited involvement Robert had in the conspiracy and also the assistance that he provided to police and during trial He is going to testify against her Logan's gonna testify against her the ex the ex is gonna testify against her They have the video of her saying that this dude's got to die. She's in trouble. She's fucked I mean, there is no everybody's testimony lines up to all the autopsies. Looks like everyone in this whole story is telling the truth except for Heidi. So that's not great.

They're going to pretty quickly find her guilty of everything they have here. She went to trial. She went to trial with this, didn't even plead. Balls. Balls. Well, that's actually, I think they didn't want to give her a deal, actually,

because they have her dead to rights. There's this is a hundred percent slam dunk physical evidence. Oh We don't we would rather not that's why we gave we gave those two, please So they'll pleading they'll test and tax dollars I mean, we're you're in trouble and they want a very big sentence on her too is the other thing They didn't want to they didn't want her to get less of a sentence here. At the sentencing hearing, prosecutors asked for an 85-year sentence stating they weren't clear if the law allowed sentences for all three counts in this case to be served consecutively or not, but they'd like them to be and they'd like to get 85 years out of this. So another one of her daughters testifies, Alexis, and she is one of the older ones who

refused to participate in this murder plot. She is helping raise the three-year-old that is now parentless. She said, I think there is a negative effect to not having a mother, but when it comes to your mother being Heidi, you're better off without. That's what she said about her own mother in court. You're better off without a mom. The baby's better off motherless than if that's her fuck, which is true. She got, most of her kids,

she's trying to get them involved in murder plots. Who the fuck would do that? So, the other, his ex, Fran's ex Courtney, who found him, she also talks about everything here saying, what do you say to an evil person who wanted to destroy your life? She's saying, I don't know what to say to her, but she killed my fucking kid's father and that's very sad.

She said, your children get to visit you on Mother's Day, write you a card, send you a letter. Even if they spew vitriol at you, they get to do it. My daughter will live forever knowing what she has lost, unlike your daughter who will never have a memory of him." Meaning the two-year-old. It's true. So the defense, they ask the judge, they say, come on, give us concurrent sentences totaling

50 years. Give us a break here. They said she has no criminal record before the murder, just traffic bullshit. And the judge says, yes, you know what, you are right about the lack of criminal history, but there's a big but to this. Yeah, that's not positive. They get Heidi up there. Anything to say for yourself, Hydes? What do you think she's going to say?

Uh, I didn't do it. Quote, I did not have anything to do with this in any way, shape or form. Ma'am, how dare you? Everyone is lying, including the videos of me saying I want to kill people. I'm the only one telling the truth. Just me. Yep. Oh shit, you're so fucked.

For mitigating circumstances, she claims an abusive upbringing, but then they just bring out the pre-sentencing report that they just got the month before, and it says that in this report, she reported to the probation department that she was raised in a good home and had no domestic issues with her mother and stepfather Now she's saying and then she gets a month later gets on the stand and goes a horrible upbringing They're like, that's not what you said a month ago when we asked you that You're only saying that now because you were saying that you didn't have anything to do with that's it So in this the sentencing hearing the judge finds these following aggravating circumstances,

Fran's vulnerability when she strangled him, the planning and premeditation of the offenses exceeded what was necessary to establish a conspiracy. I mean, you had a huge, you really had to fucking fight to keep it going here. Also that the commission of the offense deprived the young baby of her parents and her plans to kill Fran resulted in prison sentences for her other daughter and this other guy who shouldn't have anything to do with it and the Heidi's threats against her daughter to cooperate in the plan too. So she's like, this is ridiculous.

They do say yes, lack of criminal history is a mitigating factor, but the aggravators substantially outweigh the sole mitigating circumstance here. So they are going to sentence her to, here we go, oh, this is another thing, well, we'll get to this. Also, she is not allowed, she's by court order to have no contact with friends, two children, including her own three-year-old daughter. You are not allowed by the court.

She can't come visit you, you can't write her letters. Stay away from contact with that child at all. Do not poison that fucking child. They said notwithstanding Littlefield's attempt to minimize the egregiousness of her offenses because of her difficult childhood and her alcohol abuse, she's offered no compelling evidence of restraint, regard, and lack of brutality. She says they are going to sentence her due to your depravity and the danger this court finds you pose to the community, including your children, including your children, and including the two remaining fathers of your children that are alive today. The court believes your children are better off to be protected from you rather than by you.

Wow. They are in a safer place without you. And he says, you, ma'am, may fuck off. 60 years for murder, 35 for conspiracy to commit murder resulting in death, 20 years for conspiracy to commit murder not resulting in death, and those sentences will run

consecutively for a total of 115 years So much for 85 fuck off. Yeah 30 extra years more than the prosecutors got they're like thanks. Oh, thanks Yeah, those numbers mean so much more than life in prison. Oh, that's so bad. Yeah, those numbers hurt so much more than life in prison. Oh, that's so bad. Those numbers hurt. You are fucked and the judge credited her with 748 days of time served. Not 700 years.

No, you got two years of time. So 113 years really. So if you look at it there, it's more of a glass 99.99% full rather than... She appeals this obviously. First of all, based on double jeopardy. She argues the dual convictions for murder and conspiracy to commit murder cannot stand because of the double jeopardy prohibition and maintains that the murder conviction must be set aside when applying the double jeopardy test.

They've said, no, not at all. These are totally separate things and separate acts. They go together fuck off she also says the sufficiency of the evidence no good yep she said primary cause of death was asphyxia due to strangulation rather than acute fentanyl intoxication she Logan testified a trial that Heidi strangled Kelly with a necktie and banged his head on the floor numerous times she said that Fran was alive when she and Logan left the residence, so it wasn't me. Someone else must have come in

and strangled him after that. Came in to rob the place and was like, oh good, a guy 90% dead, let me finish him off quick, and then left. And then murder him. Yeah, Heidi says also, maybe it wasn't me. Oh? I didn't do it. She says that the state's evidence showed and then murder him. Yeah, Heidi says also, maybe it wasn't me. Oh, oh? I didn't do it.

She says that the state's evidence showed that Matthew Duncan, the father of one of her other children, had spoken with Logan and RJ about killing Kelly, because he was the one who called the cops, and that his cell phone was tracked in the vicinity of Kelly's home on the afternoon of January 16, when she was already dead for a day, and not right by his house, the vicinity of Kelly's home on the afternoon of January 16th, which he was already dead for a day and not right by his house. The vicinity. She said in light of this evidence,

she claims there's a strong possibility that after they had left him almost dead, the job Duncan visited the home and strangled him to death. Just as a nice favor that you do for your exes. Let's finish something up for her. She says the state never presented any evidence to show that Littlefield in any way aided, induced or caused Duncan to kill Kelly. So he did it, it should be reversed and also says there should be a lighter sentence. She says the, she says the, you know, this is ridiculous that I got sentenced to so much,

it shouldn't have been consecutive. And they said, Oh no, everything's great. Keep on keeping on. Looks good. See you in 2035. Enjoy. Or 2135. 20, yeah, 2230?

2135. See you then. Have fun. So the police say, they go, are you guys going to fix what fucking happened that you could have saved somebody's life? Yeah. And here's a quote, we're still in the process of updating our policies and everything else and trying to sort through all of that.

So that's certainly something we'll be addressing as we go along as far as how we are going to handle situations like that. The more we can expand on any of our policies, the better off we're going to be. They said they need to focus on an emphasis on getting the basic information during these types. You know, what's your number? Who are you? Where is this happening? You don't even have to ask those questions if you have caller ID. That helps too. Well, they said they can't possibly change the whole telephone tree. That can't be changed. You can pay for caller ID the Jack alone guys said if they're gonna redo things I'd make sure the dispatchers know how to ask all sorts of question and gather all sorts of information from people who may be

Sometimes unwilling to give it. So there we go. Everybody's in prison and Unbelieveable Heidi will remain there. Forever. The fucking poisoned oatmeal nightmare. So there we go. That is Indiana. Carmel or Carmel or whatever the fuck you want to call it. There's that. If you enjoyed that, please, please get on whatever app you're listening on. Give us a review.

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