Small Town Murder - #50 - An Unexpected Slaughter in Easley, South Carolina

Episode Date: December 27, 2017

This week, we check out the quaint, southern town of Easley, South Carolina, where there were zero warning signs before someone erupted in violence that resulted in a house full of death! Along the way, we find out how yarn comes to be (sort of), what your post murder behavior says about you, and just where someone can get a thick, juicy murder steak!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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in this goddamn movie. So it's a good time. Tune into that. But before all that, never mind all that, before we get to the crazy part, we've got to get to the crazy part, the fact that we have to do a disclaimer. This is the crazy part.

But we do. We have to do the disclaimer. This is a comedy podcast. It is. And the jokes, we make jokes. We're comedians. That's what we do. It absolutely is.

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What's that? We do not make jokes at the expense of the victims or the victims' families. We try to not do that because we're assholes, but we are not scumbags. That's the way it works. That said, I know what you're all saying right now. Yes. And that is shut up and give me murder. And that's what we're going to do.

Giving you murder right now. All right, let's go. Let's take a trip, Jimmy. All right. What do you say? You got bags packed? Ready? Where were we?

We were in Canton, Missouri last week when we were in Chicago, Illinois. It's very confusing. Flooded hillbillies. We were in floods and tractor accidents and just a goddamn disaster. Leaving socks behind. Oh, God. A disaster of redneckery. That really was.

Well, let's head even more into the fray. Last week, we were on the outskirts of the fire. We were out by the coals. Let's dive right into the blue part right now. Okay. Let's get right in there. Easley, South Carolina. Okay.

Let's do this. Going down south. I'm not sure what to expect. You'll see. It's nothing crazy, but it's crazy at the same time. They were the racist ones, right? They both were. Both Carolinas. Super racist. South Carolina's kind of...

This just shows how little I learned. I didn't absorb any of that shit. This shit happened like four weeks ago. Never mind in school. I didn't absorb any of that shit. This shit happened like four weeks ago. Never mind in school. I didn't absorb any of that talk. South Carolina, that is the devil's tate of racism right there. That's where it comes from.

That's where it flags from. That's shit. They had it up until like two years ago, and now there's people like, you know, we could use that again. We should put that up again, I think. It helped with the shade. I think it was good. Yeah, I was like, whoa, okay we could use that again. We should put that up again, I think. It helped with the shade. I think it was good. Yeah, I was like, whoa, okay. But never mind that.

This is way inland. This isn't by the shore. Like, my dad lives in South Carolina right by the beach down there. Yeah, I got family there. Yeah, down, it's nice by the shore. Normal people move to the beach. This is not that. This is inland, boy.

This is, you got to want it to go here. There's the sticks and trees and mountains. And it's funny. It doesn't have one officially. But if you look at South Carolina, the shape of it, it kind of makes sort of a panhandle. Does it? And this is right square in the panhandle. The whole damn thing is a panhandle.

There's kind of the pan apart by the shore and all that. And then it gets more narrow like a handle. It's not an official handle. It's like a triangle. But you could hold it from there. Therefore, it's a panhandle. Get out of the panhandle. Get to the pan, you assholes.

Jesus. God damn it with the panhandle. They're going to find a panhandle, the people who end up in our stories. This place, like I said, it's a northwestern part of the state, well, well inland, nowhere near the ocean. Two hours to Charlotte. It's 25 minutes outside of Greenville, South Carolina, which is not a giant, 67,000 people in Greenville. Really?

So that's like a big town for that. What is it, Charleston? And is there any other big city in South Carolina? Yeah, Myrtle Beach. Uh-huh, yeah, yeah. You got that sort of thing. But it's, yeah, Greenville is one of their cities. One of their bigger ones.

Yeah, 67,000 people. This is 25 minutes outside of that, and this might as well be Hazard County. Duke boys might as well be jumping a ravine in the background from what I've gathered here. The town itself is in Pickens County. It's a little tiny drop of it hanging over into Anderson County.

It was the third time I think we've encountered this can't get your shit together and stay into a county. And actually what we're going to talk about is going to end up in Anderson County. It was the second or the third time I think we've encountered this. I can't get your shit together and stay into a county. And actually, what we're going to talk about is going to end up in Anderson County right there. But most of this is in Pickens County. So we're going to talk about it in terms of that zip code two nine six four zero area code eight six four. It is a twelve point three square mile town.

So decent sized little town, I would say. Yeah, there is no town slogan here. But once again, the county has a slogan, thankfully. Thankfully, they do. The bigger municipality stepped up and gave us a stupid-shit slogan. Are they supposed to have one? Is that like... I think it's just for advertising. Probably.

I think that's what it is. We need to put something on the website or this welcome-to sign, you know what I mean? Something clever. With a big cowboy waving his hand. Right. Something like that. So here, their county slogan is the gem of the foothills. Okay.

Which I don't know if it's the gem of shit. The county is the gem or the town is the gem? The county is the gem. The whole county. Now, Easley, they don't have a slogan, but they are giving you a slight pitch on their website. They say, quote, in Easley, you will be welcomed with southern hospitality by the friendliest people you will ever meet yeah they're ever you're never going to meet friendlier people than these people

southern hospitality i mean south carolina that's where my aunt lives and she they're friendly they aren't fucking around with their friendly they're full of shit yeah they're full of shit they're lying their asses yeah they're gonna talk shit about you the second you turn around down your fucking throat smiling right to your face and then they're gonna go talk shit and then they're lying their asses yeah they're gonna talk shit about you the second you turn around down your fucking throat smiling right to your face and then they're gonna go talk shit and then they're gonna go to church right afterwards that's the odd thing you're gonna be forgiven yeah you guys are mean but still to the lord okay she called my eight-year-old a whore but that's interesting but fine she said she's gonna burn in hell but i guess she went to church afterwards so it's fine oh man so uh little background on Pickens County and Easley.

Pickens County was Cherokee Indian territory up until the American Revolution. Cherokees made a bit of a blunder, and they sided with the British on that one. Whoops. Yeah, they screwed up there. It's those fire cannons that they had. They were like, those are clearly superior to these areas. That's superior. Yeah, I like the way they talk.

It's real fancy. And then, nope, they suffered defeat. He offered me tea and then beheaded my wife. That's it. And then they gave up their lands in South Carolina over that. Fucking jerks. Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't. They didn't give it up voluntarily.

No, no, no, no. They weren't like. It was because they were too weak from the smallpox blankets. They didn't bow down and give the key to the city and say it's, you know, they weren't like the Japanese after World War II. It's just that, fine, we'll relax and make televisions for 50 years. Yeah, you guys are right. You guys are right.

Yeah, our bad. That didn't happen. Try this Fuji camera. Yeah. This is the South, goddammit. Right. Nobody does that. No.

You lose, you pretend like you didn't for 150 years. It doesn't matter. It's fine. Just keep plugging along. Jesus Christ. 150. It's much further than that. Fucking longer than that. It's fine. Just keep plugging along. Jesus Christ. 150. It's much further than that. Fucking longer than that.

160. It was first named Rockville in 1791, became Pickensville after that. It's just a, let's do a Sahara Desert fart fact of the week. And yes, it is boring as shit. Colonel Robert Elliot Holcomb became co-founder of the town by starting off as a farmer and a timber mill owner. His farming ventures enabled him to establish the storeroom in 1845 as the first business of the area. There you go. The storeroom.

The storeroom. That's the business. He's so clever, too. Want to put some shit here? Yeah, that's a business. You got a storeroom. I'm an entrepreneur. You can hold your shit over here.

I got a whole room. Just open the door. You put hold your shit over here. Yeah, I got a whole room. Just open the door, you put your shit in there, you give me money. That's a business. Somebody give me golf clubs. That's a business. That's right. Somebody give me golf clubs. Exactly.

I'm a businessman. Where's the country club? There's none? I'm making one. I will build one. I will build a country club. That's right. The town was named for William King Easley.

He wasn't a king. He was a guy named William King Easley. He wasn't a king. He was a guy named William King Easley who was born in Pickens County in 1825. This guy, this is their hero here. Well, not now probably, but when they named it. Easley and four other people from Greenville represented the area in the South Carolina Secession Convention to secede from the Union. These people were really, really pro, let's get the shit out of the union. We're going. Yeah, these people were super into it.

This guy raised a company of cavalry from Pickens County. Yeah, he served as a major in the Confederate Army. We easily did. So, yeah, it's interesting here. It's got some, we'll put it this way. In 1860, the Pickens District, as it was at the time, had a population of about 19,000 people. Jesus. Problem is 22% of those were slaves.

What the fuck? That's an issue. That's a shitload of slaves you got down there. But they got to count those for the census to get more money from the government, too. I suppose so, to then secede from it, possibly. We had 19,000 people secede from it, possibly. We had 19,000 people, but only 12,000 can vote. Yeah.

So, not surprisingly, 22% slaves. It's a very agricultural area back then. A lot of agriculture, a lot of things like that, because I guess they were- 22%, my math's way off, but whatever. That's still a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's thousands. Multiple, yes.

They had industries, sawmills and all the grist mills and shops and things like that. What the fuck is a grist mill? I like how in the town history here on the website, it even says, I had to put this in an exact quote, quote, the district's Protestant churches were numerous, but schools were few. So that says a lot about what was happening back then. Yeah. Exactly. We don't need to learn shit.

No. You need the Lord and a musket. One book and a musket. And you tell that guy to farm more. Right. Right. That was apparently what was going on down there. There wasn't a lot of combat right in this area during the Civil War, but it was apparently

marauders would come down from the mountains. People who, you know, deserters from the armies and shit would come down and raid the town and steal everything and run back into the hills and shit like that here. Big deal after the Civil War, the Easley fella there became a local attorney and got the railroad to come to town. He put $100,000 into it in an investment,

got the railroad to come, and as we know, railroad or oil, and you're in fucking business, man, after that. Shit is going down. A hundred grand is all it cost to build a railroad back then. Well, I think that was his part. And then there was the Atlanta and Charlotte Airline Railway Company, which I think also probably put in. Who knows who else invested in this, because it was pretty privatized back then here.

Now, Holcomb, the guy who... Holcomb became the first mayor of the town, the guy who was the storefront, the storeroom owner here. First agent of the train depot, too. Oh. So, yeah, he built the train depot himself. Wow. And then he sat in it and said, who wants to ride the train? I'm in charge.

He put an engineer hat on. Yeah, he's goddamn right. He was like, here I am. He had a metal fucking pin with his name on it and everything. Everybody whispered about him. He lost his fucking mind. That guy's a lunatic. I think the war messed with his head.

I think it's the war. Right? It's the war. Right. He heard a lot of gunshots. He's seen bad things. So, yeah. So 1873, now they charter Easley as the town.

They get a post office in 1875, but now it's a thriving textile town. A railroad, they can take shit out of there. Things became much different. 1953, the Easley Textile Company, which later was known as Swirl Inc., they made the popular, as it said on the website, I don't know how true this is, Swirl Wrap Address back then. I don't know what that is. If there's an 85-year-old lady who was into women's fashion 60 years ago, maybe they can

fill us in on that. Anybody, you can ask your moms out there, your grandma, I don't know. In 1956, a guy, wow, a guy started a yarn production company there in Easley. Production. We're making yarn. Yeah. Production. We're making yarn. We're making yarn for y'all to make shit. That fascinates me. When people do businesses that are not interesting at all, like this is like fun.

This is great. Like people would look at this and go, man, that's a cool thing to do. No one goes, man, I wonder how do you get to make yarn? That's never been said. No one's ever said that. No one's ever said, how do you get to make yarn? That's never been said. No one's ever said that. No one's ever said, I just really want to make yarn. And is yarn made of cotton? Is that what it usually is?

I think it is, yeah. And it's the South, so I would assume, yeah. But they've got blends, too. Oh, now I'm sure. Now they're making synthetic shit. Oh, forget about the yarn industry, Jimmy. Oh, it's so deep now. Technology, AI has taken over the yarn industry.

That's the problem. All the big yarn, all the good yarn union jobs are gone. Union yarn is just out now, and you've got to... Fuck, man, it's rough. What a terrible life. It's tough, man. It's tough. You want to make yarn, it's tough. Think about the people that absorb the things that are made.

You know what I mean? Yeah. People that absorb beer, they're fucking fun people. Yeah. People that absorb podcasts, generally pretty fucking cool people. Yeah. People that absorb yarn, fucking drab. They're boring.

Although we have a lot of knitters that listen to us, actually. People like to knit. They're making like cross stitch, as I've learned that it's called. And they're making shit with cursing in it. They're cool people. This is for like old ladies to make sweaters. That's not knitting your cat a fucking sweater. That just fascinates me.

Somebody would go, I'm going to buy equipment to make yarn. Right. I'm going to do this. No, I'm going to put it together. Like anything, like whenever you hear someone does like industrial smoothing, you're like, how did you decide that's what you want to do? Why is that what you're into? You weren't fantasizing at that at night, like laying in bed with your wife and you wake her up at one in the morning. You're like, I have to do it.

You don't understand. I have to smooth shit. It's just, it's my dream. It's my dream. And she's like, well, if you have to, you have to. I can't sleep unless that shit is smooth. That's not what happens here uh people of this town uh population 20,765 it is up 36.7 percent since 1990 my christ like all of these southern and western towns you could say that for

phoenix as much as you could say that for raleigh durham as much as you could say that for any of these any place where it's warm right and about 1990, everybody decided that they were allowed to move and get the fuck out of New York and get out of New Jersey and get out of all these terrible places. Fucking Connecticut. Pennsylvania. Anywhere where it snows constantly and it's black snow. It's not fucking white. It's terrible.

It's gross. Yeah. That's when my mother moved out in 91. They went out west. So that's the thing. And they make these quaint little towns in the south and out here and i don't like the quaint little towns in the south i'm creeped out by them i'm gonna be real fucking honest with everyone out there now there's some nice beautiful and there's some nice places we talked about the

pig picking so that's my experience down there but like i find it really strange when there's a quaint little town with like a little town that's like a bustling little town center. And everybody's like, it's so cute. It's so cute. And it's like they sold people right fucking there for a long time. Like in that same exact spot in the middle of town. That's not quaint. They auctioned off a human being right there.

Right there where that is a – what is that? An artisan pudding shop now? What is that? They sold people there. Fucking people. Where you just bought your fucking gelato. Yeah, it's just weird. Somebody bought a Jamal.

What the fuck? And we just all pretend like it's, it's so strange to me. Like, it's just weird. I don't know. In Germany, like, they take the Holocaust and that's a fucking museum and it's like a thing and they wall it off and you don't just hang out around there. Right. This is quaint, ain't it? I'm going to have some more pudding. No. It's just here. and it's like a thing and they wall it off and you don't just hang out around there right this is quaint ain't it i'm gonna have some more pudding no it's

just here we're just like back shit happens moving on very weird sorry it's just a weird side track on that uh they just like to uh pretend it didn't happen yeah but then they fly that flag that fucking represented it i don't and you know what i won't argue with you don't tweet me i don't give a fuck yeah we don't care that's the thing we don't give and you know what? I won't argue with you. Don't tweet me. I don't give a fuck. we don't care. That's the thing. We don't give a shit. We're not ripping on the South in general. This is just very specific thing.

We don't care. Just stop pretending like it didn't happen. It happened. It fucking happened. Look at the Japanese. That's how you take a loss right there. You lay on a sword and fucking bleed out.

That's right. That's exactly right. Someone loses a Super Bowl, watch the interview afterwards. They don't go, that shit didn't happen. You know who does that? Bad guys in wrestling. That's right. That's exactly right. Someone loses a Super Bowl, watch the interview afterwards. They don't go, that shit didn't happen. You know who does that? Bad guys in wrestling. That's who they are. They go, what do you mean I lost? I didn't lose. It made up shit.

They're like, no, but it's on camera. We saw you at the pay-per-view. You lost. I didn't lose. It didn't happen. Okay. Still, everything's fine. Median age in this town, 40.7, which is about three years older than the national average on that. More female than male here, almost 54% female, which is pretty high, a little bit out of whack. Just an odd little anomaly, not exactly sure why here.

Married populations, a little higher, about 3% higher than the normal. It's all pretty much in range, except for the never married is a lot less. All the towns that we find that have higher church attendance have a higher marriage rate, I've noticed, which actually makes sense because the whole community is encouraging this activity. So yeah, obviously there's going to be more of that. If everyone was cannibals, I guess there'd be more percentage of people that would be cannibals coming up from the new generation, I would understand. Especially if the church encouraged it.

And the church was like, you should eat people. Try them. They're salty. Every fucking year. I like to put a little cayenne pepper on mine and spice it up a little bit because it's salt. You need to balance it. You know what I mean? We'll have a Fred boil this weekend.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. You know what I mean? We'll have a Fred boil this weekend. Yeah, that's it. Widow population is about 3% higher, too, which obviously usually also two more widows is a higher female population always because they outlive us always. Yeah. You know, good for them.

There's plenty of reason for that. Absolutely. They put all of their shit on us, so we die. That's what happens. So we die. They're doing it on purpose? No, they just fuck. It's not their fault.

Sorry, women. This isn't about you. They just bark at us. No, I'm not sorry. That's what you do. You bark at us and we go, all right, I'll fix it. All right, I'll fix it. You and we.

And this sounds very personal is what I'm getting at. You really put it out for a broad audience here. This is a dinner party conversation. My laugh went faster than my vocal cords would allow it. But that's what it is. They just bark at us and we're just, we'll fix it.

We'll fix it. And then we fucking die five years earlier. Because we've been fixing it all. This is very personal. This has nothing to do with you or anyone that you're around right now. Look around you. See anybody you see?

That's not who he's talking about. This is very personal. Very personal. He goes home and that's what this is about. So that's okay. Look around. It's all fine. It's really good.

All right. Race of this town. Yeah. 78.46% white. Yeah. So pretty white. 12.51% black. Yep.

So they've lost some black people since 1860 when they were free to leave after that. When they were 22%? Yeah. Once they were free to leave, they lost about- 10% are like, fuck this place. 0.54% Asian, so we'll take a couple of restaurants, but none of y'all, that's about it now. You see? That's enough with your chanky, wanky language or whatever you guys are saying.

Yeah, that's enough of that. Goddamn. I see you sneaking. 1941 taught us something. That's right, man. 5.5. 1741 didn't teach us shit. That's right, man. 1741 didn't teach us shit. Or 18, I don't know.

1861 didn't teach us nothing, God damn. There it is. There you go. Bang. Hispanic, 5.55%, which is about a third of the normal there. So it's a southern town. There's white people, there's black people. 66% religious. That's a high number.

That is 50% is average. Well, if you remember, the Baptist church was Lutheran. I don't remember. The Baptist, the Evangelist. There's a lot down here. It's a whole deal here. 1.58% Catholic, 0.51% LDS, 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim. Obviously, we're in South Carolina in a small town.

Voting-wise, 24% Democrats, about 74% Republicans. So this is the South. This is when people think of whatever they think of, it's their stereotype. This is it. This is what you're thinking of right here. This is whatever for good or for bad, whatever you want to do. But this is what you're talking about. Unemployment rate a little higher than the average here.

Not too, too bad, though, only within a percentage of it. Median household income in this place here is $40,453, which is about $13,000 below the national average, as we find in a lot of the rural towns. But a lot of things are cheaper, as we'll get into here. The jobs, more manufacturing jobs than normal, as with the people making yarn left and right. It's a lot of manufacturing.

And the county surrounding this town is a lot of agriculture and a lot of things like that. So that's a lot of the jobs, too, if you're out in the county and that sort of thing. Cost of living in this town. We say that $100,000 is par, $100,000 is average. Cost of living is $93,000 here. Housing is a $79,000. Jesus. Like it's always, damn housing is low a lot.

Median home cost here, $147,300, which is almost $40,000 less than the national average. Right. About half the houses here are between $100,000 and $200,000. Okay. So it's an affordable small town type of deal here. And if we've convinced you, you must move. You have a yearning for yarn. Right.

The yarn yearn that you can't quell. If you have a yearning. We convinced you. We have for you the Easley, South Carolina real estate report. Let's get to it. First of all, we have a two-bedroom apartment that on the average here goes for about $725. That's not bad. Not bad.

It's about $300 less than the national average. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,400-square-foot little house. Yeah. It's a nice, it's a quaint little house. Looks like a big screened-in porch to sip lemonade on outside and whatever. That's, I assume, down there. Just sip lemonade and Judge Black's whatever you do down there. I don't know. Screened-in safe from the mosquitoes.

That's what you do. It's $147,500. We have a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,900-square-foot house. This is brand-new house. New construction, $216,990. That's great. That's not too shabby. It's a big house.

It's a decent-looking house. And finally, a three-bedroom, three-'s not too shabby. It's a big house. It's a decent looking house. And finally, a three bedroom, three bath, 2,500 square foot house. This is a pretty one too. It's a nice house. It's laid out. You can tell they took some care with this house. It's $299,900. Just under the $300,000 mark.

So get yourself to Easley and move there and do these amazing things to do is what you need to do here. First of all, you guys are going to miss it. It's Christmas. We're going to just pass in Christmas. We're going to release this right before New Year. You missed the 2017 Easley Christmas Parade of Lights and Grand Illumination Ceremony. Wow.

Fucking grand. That sounds amazing. They have a bush and they turn it on. They're like, there it is. All right then. And then everybody goes home. That's it right there. It's grand because they're in the South and they turn it on. They're like, there it is. All right then. And then everybody goes home. That's it right there. It's grand because they're in the South and they got to name it after their wizard.

You know it, man. People from Mississippi are the only people that have ever gotten mad at us. And then we still get messages from that first episode like, God, fuck you with Mississippi. They're super pissed. I think South Carolina is probably going to join the list this week. No one else cares, by the way. No one else. You can make fun of Ohio all you want.

People are like, I know. It sucks. Everywhere you make fun of. Yeah, fuck it. Who cares? These people are like, no, it's great. Okay. That's fine.

You still think you won a war, so never mind. That's fine. So anyway, they had the big league world series there, which was the 15 to 18-year-old kids. It's like the next step of the Little League World Series. It was the Big League? Big League World Series. It was held there for years, and then it was disbanded in 2016. So they eliminated that.

Nobody gives a shit about your Tyler. Nobody cares. No. Sorry, Tyler. Movies at the market they have in the summer where you go to an amphitheater outside and everybody sits there and watches movies, which it's so weird when people do that in a small town or anywhere, really. Like outside?

Yeah. I don't want to watch movies with strangers. Fuck away from me. My neighborhood did it, and it's just fucking awkward because kids aren't going to sit through it no matter what child's movie. I'm running around. You're yelling at them. It's ridiculous.

It's so stupid. In the theater, they have a seat that you can tell them to stay in this area. And then eventually it just turns into your neighbor wanting to talk to you. And it's like, if I wanted to talk to you, bro, I would have knocked on your fucking door. I would not pretend to not see you when I pass by you and you're out in your garage. Now I got to sit through this conversation with Nightmare Before Christmas playing in between our conversations. Which makes it worse.

Right. I just want to fucking go home. Makes it definitely worse here. Also, the Doodle Trail. Okay. Get yourself out on the Doodle Trail. It's a 7.5 mile... Doodle.

Doodle of a trail. What the fuck is that? It's a multi-use trail. It's open from dawn to dusk for biking, walking, running, and rollerblading. But unauthorized mopeds or motorized vehicles will not be permitted on the trails. As long as you dare fucking bring a moped. I swear to God, you're going to get tossed right out of there. That's ridiculous.

Crime rate in this town is what we care about here. Property crime is almost double the national average. I don't know what is going on in this goddamn town, but they will steal your shit. Lock it down, everybody. They're thieving bastards. Roll them up, lock them down. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault, the Big Four, the Mount Rushmore of

crime, is about 10% higher than average here, which in a small town, it's about average. 10%, who knows, from one year to the next. It's one extra thing that happened. Who cares? So it's a pretty normal kind of town. Like I mean, 10%, who knows, from one year to the next. That's one extra thing that happened. Who cares? So it's a pretty normal kind of town. Like I said, quaint. It's the type of place where you'd move from the north to get away from shit, and I don't know.

Or you'd live there forever. I'm not sure which one. Have some sweet tea and a mosquito bite. That's it. Let's talk about some people that lived there, shall we? Let's talk about some residents of this nice town. Let's talk about, first of all, the family, the Dixon family.

Let's discuss them. Samuel Andrew Dixon is the dad. Goes by Andy. Andy Dixon, nice guy by all accounts. No one ever has a bad word to say about this guy. Whenever there's a guy in our story that starts out, like, he's a nice guy. No one ever has a bad word to

say about him. You know that he's, you know, bad, something bad's going to happen to him probably. It's either going to happen to him or nobody suspected it. Nobody suspected it. He was such a dickhead. Exactly. Yeah. Like, I remember, was it Nebraska, Burlingame, Nebraska? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That guy's just, hey, normal guy. Stop. Killed everybody. Fucking. Just Thanksgiving slaughter time. It's okay.

Crazy shit. So yeah, this is uh this guy here uh we don't know which yet is we i'm not gonna say what ends up what old andy does here flip your coin and take your bets now is he gonna is he gonna kill everyone or be killed let's kill or be killed kill or be killed that's the that's kind of the point of this show too it's like take a guess who's gonna yeah who's gonna die let me introduce you to a couple people let's see if they're alive at the end of this. We'll see.

Maybe. Either by the hand of the state or by some psychopath. Either one. Not everybody's going to make it out of our stories. Somebody's lowering the boom. We're leaving some people behind. When we start out on a trail, some people are going to get left behind. We can't go back for them.

We're sorry. We've got time to get. No. We're sorry. We've got time to get. No. So Andy Dixon's 46 years old here at this point in 2008. It was when our story is going to take place and revolve around.

He was employed. He works for Vulcan Materials, which is like blue collar shit. He does something with electrical. He's some sort of electrician because his son looks up to him and he wants to be involved in this too. Got it. Some sort of electrician, something good and steady and hopefully has some benefits, that sort of thing. He's doing a family normal job here. He's actively involved with the Wren Youth Association.

Wren is the name of one of the high schools around there, so that's kind of what they name shit. So he's helping kids out. He's involved in the youth association. I know he donates money, does a little, donates a little bit of his time. Yeah. That sort of thing.

Ren like the bird. Yeah. Like W-R-E-N. Yeah. So not bad. I mean, this is a nice guy. He's got,

he's got a son, Taylor Alex Dixon, who's 14 years old at this time. He's married. He's married to a woman. This is his second wife. Yeah, it's not the 14 year old. The 14 year old is not married. The 14 year old is actually married. Listen man. This is his second wife. And he is, not the 14-year-old. The 14-year-old is not married.

The 14-year-old is actually married to an older lady. That's true. That's true. He is 14. That's a fact. You're right. He has a job. That's true.

His wife makes him coffee in the morning. And he's married to a 7-year-old. It's very interesting. It's a weird relationship. Nobody can drive, which makes it super strange. But they get by. They get by. You know what I mean?

It's inspirational, honestly. It's for your relationship. You look at them and you go, if they can make it, then I can make it. Yeah, if they can't make it, then what chance do I have? What are we going to do here? Jesus Christ. So Andy's married. Andy's married.

This is his second wife. He was married to Patricia earlier. That's where he had Taylor and where he had his other son, who we'll talk about, Nathaniel Dixon, who was 18 at this time. He had those two kids with his ex-wife, and now he is married to Maritza Hurtado. Oh. Yeah, he went Hispanic. Yes, he did. One of the few in the town.

My man. And he was like, I like that. Yes. That's exotic. And he found her. Also living in the house is her daughter, Maritza's daughter. Her name is Melissa Jilliam, and they say their middle name because I guess her nickname is Jilly Bean. They call her Salazar.

So Melissa Salazar, she's 19 years old. So this is a family, and everybody gets along. It's like the stepmother gets along with the kids. That looks great. Father gets along with the stepdaughter. Everybody seems to be in a certain harmony here. Except for Maritza and Melissa go off oftentimes to make fun of how they call quesadillas, quesadillas. Yeah, they do shit like that.

They say shit in Spanish in the kitchen about them. You believe he called it a tortilla? He's like, what'd you say? You saying something? I heard something. No, we were just talking about the food. Oh, okay. Never mind.

I thought I heard something. That's all I'm saying. I thought I heard somebody repeat tortilla. I heard tortilla. I think I heard Andy in there. Because you said, chigga-chigga-binga-binga-blinga-blinga-chimichanga Andy. That's what I heard. Chigga-chigga-tortilla.

So I assume you're making fun of me and the way I say Tortilla. That's all right, though, because you're exotic and this is a small town. One of them queso tortillas. There's only like four Asians, so it's you or that, and I'm sorry, but I'm going to go with you because there's a few more to choose from. Now, Nathaniel Dixon's the 18-year-old kid, and he's a typical 18-year-old kid. Kind of a, I mean, just kind of directionless. A little rudderless. Not a bad kid, just rudderless.

And this is kind of just. 18 years old, that's kind of what you do at that time. Yeah, he's not a kid who's real on a track to college. He's not a kid who's driven. He's just a kid who's like, I don't know what I'm doing now. Just out in the ocean drifting. And there's so many kids like this. It happens so often.

And a lot of times it's you if you don't have drive. And a lot of times if you're from a family, like my family never said, you need to go to college. No, my family never said anything. They were just like, still alive? Okay. Good. G today? No.

You in there? All right. All right. Good. His car's in the driveway. He's fine. He's all right. It's good. Don His car's in the driveway. He's fine. He's all right. It's good.

Don't worry about him. But that's a lot of kids don't pick a major in college until they're like 20 or 21. It's like at 18 years old, just be fine drifting. Who gives a shit? Coast. Try to have some direction. Right, right, right. Like this kid here.

Don't just be a bump on a log and a piece of shit drain on society. No, that's a problem. Give a shit. And give a shit a little bit. This is Nathan kid here. Don't just be a bump on a log and a piece of shit drain on society. No, that's a problem. Give a shit. And give a shit a little bit. This is Nathaniel here. He's friends with a guy named Brantley Creel, which is a very southern name. That's super, super southern. This is my friend Brantley Creel.

That's a guy that you go crappie fishing with. Is that a first name, by the way? Brantley. I can see Brantley Creel being a first name. This is Brantley Creel. Brantley Creel. Brantley Creel Johnson a first name. This is Brantley Creel. Brantley Creel. Brantley Creel Johnson right here is my buddy. Brantley Creel is Dixon's, is Nathaniel's buddy.

They're friends all the way since high school. They didn't even go to the same high school, but they were buddies in high school because they were the kids that went to the career center outside of high school. Job Corps. Yeah, exactly. Like they leave at 10 o'clock in the morning, 11 o'clock and you have to go like get blue collar training basically type of deal. It's a lot of times with directionless

kids and the kids that aren't doing well in school academically, they're like, well, let's teach you how to solder some shit together because you can make $25 an hour doing that rather than being a fucking bum. Much better path. Absolutely. It's a good money. You fucking get benefits. It's fantastic.

There's money and you're actually contributing. You can support your family and you can do whatever you need to do here. Now, this apparently like Nathaniel's kind of a jokester, kind of a happy-go-lucky guy. All right. The South, again, you need some Italians down here because your nicknames are terrible. And this is a terrible nickname that you just copied from Italian. He got himself a nickname? Brantley nicknamed him Rocky.

Okay. So he just stole Italian's nicknames. We'll get you an original one. His name's Nathaniel and they called him Rocky. Don't know why they called him Rocky. Described as just a normal guy. Said he liked to joke around a lot. You know, never like lashed out at anybody.

Wasn't a real angry guy. Said he wanted to be an electric out at anybody. Wasn't a real angry guy. None of that shit like that. Said he wanted to be an electrician someday, maybe. Didn't know. Creel said about him. Creel is his last name. That is a terrible last name. Is it C-R-E-E-L?

Yeah. That sounds like something you scrape off of a fish tank. You know, there's Creel built up all in there. Get it out. There's Creel everywhere. I hired the guy. He said he would get rid of the Creel. It's still growing back.

I don't know nothing. What a terrible name. Check the pH level. I don't know. He said he would get rid of the creel. It's still growing back. I don't know nothing. What a terrible name. Check the pH level. I don't know. Creel sounds dope as shit. Oh, that's creel. It's delicious. Yeah.

That's fantastic. The creel sounds slimy. Not good. It sounds like krill, which is like, I think, those little shitty shrimp, the brine fish that you brine shrimp to you. Yeah, the fucking freeze-dried shrimp. That you feed to weird things. Giant fish.

Yeah, exactly. So this little freeze-dried weirdo here weird things. Giant fish. Yeah, exactly. So this little free dried weirdo here. Giant freshwater scary fish, by the way. Not like big saltwater fish, whatever. I expect them to be scary. Yeah. But a freshwater fish that's big is fucking terrifying. It's fucking terrifying.

It is terrifying. Because you're like, you're growing in a place you shouldn't grow. You're growing that big in a place that's so small and so controlled. It's absolutely like that so uh creel said of him quote i've seen this dude at school just push him to the edge and all he would do is just cut up and make a joke and turn it right around on him he wasn't a violent kind so i mean they're saying he's a nice kid made fun of the bully all right yeah he just would turn hey blah blah blah he's that kind of guy. So, yeah, these two, Creel and Nathaniel, old Rocky.

I'm not calling him Rocky. I refuse to call his ass old Rocky just based on that. He doesn't even get Nate. He's getting Nathaniel. He's done nothing wrong. That's not the point. I'm just not calling him Rocky because that's a ridiculous nickname for a kid named Nathaniel with blonde hair and blue eyes from Eastly, South Carolina.

No, sorry. So these two, they ended up being lab partners while studying electronics at the Career and Technology Center. Nathaniel went to Wren High School and Creel went to Belton-Honayapath High School. Creel said, quote, he was just kind of a joker. He was always cutting jokes and acting goofy and stuff like that. So that's fine. Nathaniel tried to be a pitcher in high school on the baseball team. He tried out for the team in the 10th grade. Didn't make the team, so he's a little disappointed about that.

But they said it never really was a huge deal to him, took it in stride. Everybody said he took everything in stride, anything bad that happened. They said they would help each other out in school, Creel and Nathaniel. Creel said, quote, without him I would would fail. Without me, he would fail. Oh, that's cute. They kept their shit together. That's good. Making, keeping themselves accountable for things.

Balancing each other out. Yeah. That's good. You need sometimes in school, especially if you're two people who don't have any direction. Right. Maybe if you get together, you can get a, or just an idea of a direction. Sure. We're going that way somewhere.

West. Just westward. I don't know. We can wander a little northwest or southwest, but we're going west. Seems warmer out there. Yeah, yeah. I like that idea. And then we just keep walking.

That's it, man. He said, Creel said, quote, he was my best friend up there at the Career Center. And by the way, I will quote exactly. And these people, you can tell how southern they are by reading their words. Yeah, go on. He said, he was my best friend up there at the Career Center. He wanted to get a degree in electricity and go work for Duke Power. That's what he told me.

And I picture him saying that real fast, too. Work for Duke Power. That's what he told me. That's right. I like that they always got to put, like, all you have to say is he was my best friend at the Career Center. He puts up there in there also. Up there at the Career Center.

That's what I mean. Up there. Little words like that, you can tell it. Up there at the Career Center. That's what I mean. Up there. Little words like that, you can tell it. It'll pick it all out. It's hilarious. It's true. That's what he told me. You don't have to say, that's what he told me.

We understand. We're coming to you as a professional on this subject. We get it, damn it. We know. Tell me about him. You know and we want to know. That's what he told me. That's what he told me. That's what he told me.

You already have the credit. Up there and that's what he told me. He's got to add a couple extra little things here. That's what I'm saying. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I don't know. Sorry, South.

Anybody that says I'll tell you what will tell you nothing at all. Before you get pissed off, South, when we did New York and New Jersey and everything like that, I was unmerciful. Way worse than this. And that's where I'm from. So I am equal opportunity. So is Jimmy. Fuck you. And Jimmy's white trash, too.

Some white trash. White trash and we're equal opportunity. So eat shit if you have a problem with this. You know it's true. Just suck it up and fucking take it and laugh at yourself my favorite thing i've ever heard from somebody in the south whether it's texas or south carolina somewhere in that state said it's way different i'll bet i know i'm going yeah you just said whole region whole region i'll bet you a t-bone steak what that sounds very texas i like that bet i like that bet i want to win that fucking bet Texas. I like that bet. I like that bet.

I want to win that fucking bet. Yeah, I love steak. That'd be great. No, but they say something like, I'll bet you a T-bone steak, and then it's something that you can't win. Is that the Southern version of dollars to donuts? Is that the Southern version of dollars to donuts? I'll bet you a T-bone steak.

Right. That just sounds more appealing. Dollars to donuts. What does that even mean? You're going to give me a dollar? You could put up donuts, and I'll put up money and that's how confident I am that's exactly what it means I'm so confident

I'll put my money up against your shit stale day old donuts I don't give a fuck that's what that means yeah dollars to donuts I'll bet you a T-bone steak and then they'd say something that but a donut's about a dollar so that's kind of an outdated statement I think it's like a dollar twenty nine now donuts are worth more than your cash.

You'd be like, shit, well, yeah, you got $10, give me a dozen. That's fair. Now it's just an exchange. Now it's just a transaction. What happened? What happened, people? The donut economy's falling apart. It's falling apart.

What are we doing? All right, I bet you T-Bone Steak we keep going. That's right. I bet you T-Bone Steak somebody's going to get killed here in this story. Bet you a T-Bone Steak on it. All right. I bet you T-bone steak. We keep going. That's right. Bet you a T-bone steak. Somebody going to get killed here in a story. Bet you a T-bone steak on it. All right. So now these two, after school,

they would do typical rudderless teenager shit. They would ride ATVs and play video games. That was their thing. Who does that? My white trash job. I mean, it's the most normal thing possible here. They would play their favorite game.

And this was on PS. This was when PS3 first came out about 2008. It was Army of Two, apparently, this game. Now, I've never heard of this game either. It was apparently sort of popular. I don't know. It's one of these games. I looked it up.

It's a third-person shooter. It's an EA electronic arts game. The way they describe it in the description is, quote, the game is centered upon two mercenaries fighting through war, political turmoil, and a conspiracy from 1993 to 2009. Basically, you go through and it starts off, you're in Somalia, and then you go to Afghanistan and Iraq, and it's an army game. I don't know.

We play Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto. I'm on board. You go around, you shoot people, and you have a mission to accomplish, and you got to beat a, you know, whatever, a lot of guys at the end of at the end of a level typical goddamn video game yeah that sort of thing here so they're playing that goddamn nothing weird or out of the ordinary about that by the way we're not saying a word about it they're playing video games or they're shooting goddamn video games i'm not saying that at all. This is normal out of a trillion kids that play video games. Everything's fine. So anyway, Nathaniel,

he ends up graduating from Wren High School in 2007. He said at the time when he graduated, he was going to go join the Marine Corps. That was his plan. Other than that, he liked to play video games, hung out with his family. Everybody liked him.

Was never in any trouble at all in high school, liked to hang out with Taylor, his little brother. Taylor was a baseball player. Taylor was actually a good baseball player, played on the eighth grade team. Yeah, he was a very good player, played on the eighth grade team, was a pitcher also. Now, Creel said that Dixon wanted to join the Marine Corps, but Creel said he backed out at the last minute. I can relate. Yeah, that's Corps, but Creel said he backed out at the last minute. I can relate.

Yeah, that's what he told Creel. In reality, he actually scored too low on the testing, but he lied to his family and friends. Ouch. I'm not a coward. I'm an idiot, I swear. I swear I'm dumb. And that's crazy.

Either way, you're not a coward if you don't want to do Marines. It's hard. You can score out of that? Apparently, you can be dumb enough. I don't even know i was gonna say maybe psychological test but what is it a psychological test you don't want to kill enough right you're this i don't know about him i don't know how committed to the marines you are

i feel like you wouldn't slit a throat right now in front of me the blood bar would you drink it now would you bathe sorry marines no no offense to marines they want you guys to fucking kill people that's what they do if i have a choice between you or a guy that's gonna bathe in the blood i want that guy that's his job yeah if he was sitting here the show would suck yeah he'd be like right exactly funny at all get out there and scrub your armpits with that blood get out of here he does that i'll do this and that's our roles and i'll do this and hopefully he'll listen to this and be entertained right while he kills people laugh while he's parading ahead around the camp. I'm in. We need that. That's fine.

That's all good. I'm not talking shit at all. Trust me. Go get him, you mercenary. That's right. So yeah, he backs it, but he doesn't score high enough. That's crazy. So I don't understand what that is.

There's got to be some sort of examination. And I don't know. Maybe he was, maybe he threw it. Maybe he threw the test. I could see that. Who knows? I mean, maybe he was like, yeah, I want to join the Marines. Oh, they wouldn't take me.

Right. Darn. Damn it. You know, maybe he was just, who knows. They asked my name and I wrote C-A-T. Fuck. Damn it. Damn it.

Well, where's that yarn factory? Never mind. He wishes he could get a job at the yarn factory. Yarn, baby. Fuck yeah. Who doesn't want yarn, by the way? I could give a fuck. I've always wanted to work with yarn, Jimmy.

Have you? I've had a longing to work with yarn, yarn-related products. I want to know, how do you make yarn? I assume it's- Do you spin it? Do you twist it? Is it handmade, or is that- I don't think it's handmade. Can you imagine little ladies-

Somebody just twisting? Yeah, I picture little immigrants sitting in there, and they're just- Just rolling with their fingers. Taking individual strands, really thin like hairs put them up that's enough and then twisting them and just really that's perfect and then they make a ball and it takes like seven imagine how expensive oh my god yarn would be more expensive than gold it would it would be dollars to yarn is what people be saying no i'm not betting that my yarn is expensive so uh what do you do after you you go to high school you graduate you don't know what to do you try to join the military you can't you don't test high enough maybe physically you didn't test high enough that's possible too because i know there's physical the marines there definitely

is yeah they don't just yeah sure anybody come on we'll take anybody that's not really how it works there you have to riddick bowden make make it. No, he definitely did not. As we know, he was a professional heavyweight champion boxer. He was like 52 at the time. He took like six weeks and he was like, I'm good. That's enough of that. We'll go back to truck driving. Yeah, I have a mansion.

I'm going to leave now. Because that was at the prime of his career. I'm going to leave and go back to my mansion rather than have this guy yell at me for 12 hours a day. This is nuts. Starting at 5 a.m. Ridiculous. Yeah.

So what do you do? You can't get into the Marines. You need a job. Where do you go? No, no, no. No, no. He's legit. Really?

He's legit. He's not growing weed. He's nothing illegal. Nothing. He does the absolute, I can't think of anything else. He works at McDonald's. Okay. That is your just, I don't know.

That's literally if you said, I can't find a job. I don't get a fucking job at McDonald's. Okay. That is your just, I don't know, that's literally if you said, I can't find a job. I don't get a fucking job at McDonald's. I don't know. That is the lowest base of a job that you could get. So, sorry if you work at McDonald's. It's fine. Strive for Wendy's. Get a five guys. Right. Get on over to In-N-Out. Do something.

Actually, don't go to In-N-Out with their fucking psalms on the bottom of their fucking cups. Oh, they do, don't they? Fuck them. Yeah, fuck their psalms. No, don't do it. I just remembered that. Yeah. I completely forgot. If you're religious, fine.

Don't tell me to be religious on the bottom of my milkshake, please. I don't need that shit. I'm buying a milkshake, not Jesus. Thank you. It's a Jesus shake. There's Jesus in that milk. Jesus in that milk. I don't know if you know that.

That's all very different from the Marines, by the way, McDonald's. That's entirely different. I hope he came if you know that. That's all very different from the Marines, by the way. McDonald's. That's entirely different. I hope he came with the same gusto. Extra cheese, sir. Yes, sir. Sorry. Yes, sir. Screaming.

Right. Fuck, man. You want barbecue with them nuggets, sir? Sorry. Yes, sir. Two apple pies for a dollar. Sorry. Yes, sir.

So Dick's in here. Jesus. His life isn't going great. No. Okay. He gets out of high school. No college. Yeah.

No direction, which is fine. But I mean, he's hanging out with Brantley Creel. Yeah. Playing video games. They're not even smoking weed or drinking or anything really either. That's the other thing. They just kind of hang out. How do you play video games all day long with no weed?

I don't know. They're bored. This is another thing too. They're bored. It's a small town. There's nothing much to do. Sure. They went. They're bored. This is another thing, too. They're bored. It's a small town. There's nothing much to do. They went and saw the slave block, and they're like, okay, I've seen that now. Now what do I do?

Right. So they go here. They don't have much to do. His life isn't going well, like I said. He's fine with his family, but other than that, outside of his family, everything sucks for him pretty much. He works at McDonald's. He loses his job at McDonald's after a while.

His girlfriend breaks up with him. Uh-oh. He had a girlfriend. He works at McDonald's. He loses his job at McDonald's after a while. His girlfriend breaks up with him. He had a girlfriend. She breaks up with him. So we can see things sliding. A year ago, his life was much better. He was in high school. He had a girlfriend. Things were going well. But Creel said that he wasn't even that upset about his girlfriend. Wasn't that troubled.

He had, well, let's have a quote here. He says about, Creel says, he said that he was upset about it, but he didn't act like it bothered him. He just acted like, whatever, I'll get another one later. Okay. It was kind of the way he was happy go lucky. Uh, she Creel said, quote, she was the only girl he had ever told he loved. You could tell it upset him, but it was, uh, but he was still cutting up and hanging out

like he always did. That's a very Southern term too. He was cutting up and hanging out. They put a G on the end of it, but there was, I guarantee you, there was no G on the end of it. No, it ended in an N for sure. He was cutting up. Cutting up.

Just cutting up. Cutting up in an apostrophe, that word, without a doubt. So, that's it. So, I mean, he takes shit in stride. I know plenty of people who don't take shit in stride this well, including myself. I'm not good at it. I'm not good at it either. I dwell on shit.

And if I got fired from McDonald's, couldn't get into the Marines, and that's what I wanted to do, and then my girlfriend dumped me, and I lived in a small town in the middle of nowhere. I might feel like a complete piece of shit all day. It's stacking up right there. You're going to become an alcoholic. It's going to be miserable. So about April 10th, 2008, he has a dispute with his roommate because he lives on his own. Okay. Working at McDonald's and he worked like he'd work, you know, take a couple shifts

waiting tables at some restaurant. He's just trying to patch together some kind of living. He's got a couple roommates. And like we said, two bedroom apartment. There was like $725. And that's now. That's like 12 fucking thousand hours at McDonald's a month. That is, but half of that, with a couple of shifts and waiting tables, you might be able to cover it.

You might be able to figure it out. But he did have money problems, actually, because there was a dispute with his roommate where his roommate kicked him out of the apartment after he accused Dixon of stealing his credit card. Oh, Christ. So that's not great right there. Yeah. So that's the first thing we've ever heard of where he did something untoward, illegal, dishonest, even just outside.

First time where you go, well, that's not terrific here. That's not, that's just not Christian of you. That is not the bottom of an outcome. I'm sorry. So he gets kicked out of here. Now he doesn't have a lot of money, so he can go put down a security deposit on his own place, so he ends up having to move back in with his family here, which sucks.

You're 18. You were out. Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in. You're 18. You're out. You're like, this is great. This is amazing. You work at McDonald's.

Who gives a shit? He had a girlfriend and a place to have sex with her. Imagine how great that 18. You are king of the world. He had a girlfriend and a place to have sex with her. Imagine how great that 18, you are king of the world. Did you have a girlfriend? And a place to have sex with her. And a room with a futon. Even if it's the storeroom from Hulk.

I got some room in the storeroom. You're like, great. That's my area. We're going to have sex in here. I don't care. I'm 18. This is terrific. If someone is willing to have sex with me and I have a space for it, I'm happy.

So he went from that to living with. To no girlfriend and no place to have sex with her. No place to have sex with anyone. Right. And no free McDonald's anywhere either. The only thing he's got is a shower to have sex with himself. That's it. That's no good.

That's it. Now Creel says horse shit. Yeah. Creel is not buying this. Really? Old Brantley Creel said, quote, he ain't one to steal. I've left my Now Creel says horse shit. Creel is not buying this. Old Brantley Creel said quote, he ain't one to steal. I've left my wallet just laying around.

That's what he said. He ain't steal shit from me. I left my wallet laying around. Is that what you do? That's just leave your wallet laying around. I take it out of my pocket and throw it down. Brantley, you may want to keep track of your wallet a little bit. No, just leave it laying around. Leave it laying around. I put it on the coffee table. I said, there you go.

You want to steal from me, steal from me. I said, that's how you know someone's honest. That's what you do down here. That's how we do it. Is that how you keep your friends? How many wallets have you gone through, Brantley? I put all my yarn on the front porch. I say, you want to come get it?

You come get it. That's fine. I'll know who you are then. I'll know all about you and what you're about at that point. That's right. You come steal my yarn. Right. Of course, I'm going to shoot you if I find you, but that's all right. But Dixon, even this didn't get Nathaniel down.

Really? Even this. We just described how shitty this is. And he went, nope, fine. I'll be all right. He said, I'll be all right. He told Creel that he liked being back home with his family. He said he liked his parents and he liked spending time with his little brother again and he said it was a it

actually was good okay that's how that i don't know what is going he's out of his mind but okay he is just a duck just water just right off his back like nobody doesn't give a fuck doesn't give a shit he can make the best of any situation he's's positive. To me, that's huge because I'm not a positive person like that. One thing goes wrong, I'm a disaster. If you get like a succession of five, holy shit, I'm a mess. I am a mess. And at 18, he can already control that. I'm 36 years old.

Oh, I have no control. If I have three bad things in a day, fuck this day. I'm going back to bed. That's the thing. This year, he loses his job, can't get in the Marines. That's huge. Girlfriend dumps him. No room to have sex with her. Back in with the parents. These are big things. Those are life-changing

events. Holy Christ. This is a together guy at this point here. It's funny, too, because he's got Creel, who seems to be willing to listen if he wanted a bitch. They're tight. He tells him, I was the only girl I ever told I loved. That's a real intricate detail, a real intimate detail that I don't know that you would tell someone you're not very close to.

You wouldn't tell basically anybody that. Especially if you're some young dude who's trying to be cool and I like to play games and not ATVs and shit. I'm a tough guy. Yeah, exactly. I figured that. You know how I figured that? This was in an afternoon of ATV riding.

They were out on the trail and they stopped for a minute. You know? They were sitting there. You picture, like, Brokeback Mountain riding horses, and they stop for a minute. They stop on a ridge, and they're like, man, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. That Tammy boy, I miss her.

I miss her. You know what I mean? And Creel said, really? Man, she's a nice girl. She's a nice girl. And he said, man, you know what? You know she's the only girl I ever told I loved? He's like, really? And he says, that's right. And boy i tell you what i tell you what and then that's it the conversation's over because they can't go beyond that right they're two southern

guys that's so far already they're out on a limb i mean they went way out there they literally had to put their helmets back on and be like oh no let's get out of here shake it off yeah let's make smoke that is this close to a dick in their mouth to these type of guys. They're like, oh man, I just told him how I felt. I can't be doing that. I told him about emotion and shit. Oh, shit. Anyway, so Creel says, quote, he said his dad made him get back

into Tri-County Tech to stay there. He went and signed up that week. Tri-County Tech is Tri-County Technical School for electricians. You go there to learn how to be an electrician. So his dad said, you want to move backians. You go there to learn how to be an electrician. So his dad said, you want to move back home, you got to go to school to be an electrician. Fine. Good.

His dad has given him direction. That's a good goddamn parent. He said, yeah, you are welcome to be here, but I'd like to have you in school. He's going to pay for it, too, for Christ's sake. So what the fuck? Yeah, do it. Yeah, he wants him to have some direction. You're 18 years old.

You're dicking off. You got fired from McDonald's, for Christ's sake. Let's get you some. You profess and decree all the women you've ever loved, which is one. Yeah, which is one. All the women. The list was very short. All the women. Tammy.

Right. I don't know her name, but Tammy seems like the right name. I think it's just from Run, Ronnie, Run. I'm getting that from Mr. Show, because I think that was Tammy. Or Sheila, but it's close. It was Ronnie, run. I'm getting that from Mr. Show. I think that was Tammy. Or Sheila. But it's close. It was the perfect name. I can hear Tammy bellowing from a trailer window.

Tammy! Where the damn kid's at? I picture that. Bellowing from a trailer window. You can hear it. There it is. Yeah, through the two syllables and it rattles through those shit cheap... Tammy! That shit cheap glass. The tin rattles when you hear Tammy.

Tammy! That's one of those things. And then he stands up and you hear beer cans clang when he takes his stuff. Clang, clang, clang. Trips over six of them. Like they're eight inches deep on the floor. Like a ball pit at McDonald's or some shit. A ball pit of beer cans. I like that man that is top notch man uh so he's got to go back to school to stay there

uh he said he didn't uh creel said he didn't talk much about his stepmother's stepsister except that they were fine you know whatever didn't know him that well but it was like whatever language barrier he said he admired his dad's skills as an electrician very much. He looked up to his dad, actually. He looked up to him. He actually talks about him later on in social media even about what a great guy he is. Really? And how he's like a hero to him and all this type of shit here.

And Creel also said had nothing but good things to say about his brother, Taylor. Spent tons of time with Taylor. They hung out. He wanted to work about his brother, Taylor. Spent tons of time with Taylor. They hung out. He wanted to work for Duke Power, like we said. Had one little problem recently, though. He moves in, and within the first two weeks, he's at home. He moves in April 10th-ish, 2008. He is accused of, and I'm sure he did, stole $600 in change from his father.

His father had one of those big change. Like a five-gallon water jug. Yeah, one of those big water things. $600 worth. A couple of coffee cans full of quarters. Holy shit. Stole $600 in change. That's probably four years worth of change that this guy's been chucking in this fucking

thing. That's got to be 20 years. It's a lot of change. Yeah, it's a lot. But he steals $600 in change. So that's- You're going to notice that missing. You notice that missing.

That's huge, too. Where's that giant five-gallon water thing I had sitting here that was just full of change? Overflowing in all silver change. I don't put pennies in there. Oh, by the way, where's my hand cart, too, because you need that to move $600 in change. You find

a hand cart in an empty five-gallon drum, I'll tell you who did it. Put it right on there. So, yeah, so he steals $600 from him. Now, Dixon and Creel, he's been at home. Dixon's lived at home about two weeks. We're in the week of, like, April 23rd, 24th, around there. Dixon's been hanging out with Creel every night, just playing video games, doing shit.

One night, the 25th of April, they go out to a private firing range and practice shooting. They do 30-30s and.22 rifles. Creel said they had a good time. They had a friendly competition trying to shoot targets. He said it was nothing out of the ordinary.

He said, quote, that was about the only time he's ever went shooting with me, but he enjoyed it. So he said, yeah, it wasn't normally his thing. They normally rode ATVs, but, hey, I play video games, but they wanted to go shooting. What the shit? Everybody had a good time. They made plans to get together the next morning. They're supposed to ride ATVs. Creel lives in Belton.

It's about 20 miles out from here. There's a lot of woods and trails and shit behind his house. That's where they ride ATVs. That's where they have their thought ridges where they can talk about the women they loved. Up on Thought Ridge. Up on Thought Ridge. Relationships passed.

The sting of heartbreak on an 18 an 18 year old young man in the south you know how it is so uh they're up there they're strapping a flat top six string to his back you know how it is back of a quad right up there and just write a song on thought ridge let me ask you something nathaniel you about to sing to me let me ask you something creole you ever kissed a man you tell me first you tell me if you're singing to me first and i'll tell you about my what i'm into all right because we might be able to we might be crossing paths is what i'm talking about here if you if you're kissing your man kissing path might cross my man singing path if you sing i might want to kiss you that's all i'm saying now.

I find that very attractive in a young man, and I ain't going to lie to you. I'll tell you what. So, April 26, 2008, this is the next morning. They're supposed to go shooting. Apparently that night, between Nathaniel leaving Creel after they went shooting and the morning time he came home late.

I don't know if they went shooting. I assume they went shooting and then they went home and played some video games. Let's shoot some more on the video game and then he ends up coming home late. He's 18 years old but he comes in at 2 o'clock in the morning. He comes in at 2 a.m. and his dad is upset saying he came home too late. So I'll say

this about his dad. His dad is trying to keep him in some sort of structure. You have no job. You're coming in at 2 in the morning. You're doing all this. You need to register for school. Come in early or start late. He's trying to get him on a straight and narrow path here, which I give him credit

for. As a dad, it's very easy for a lot of times when these kids are 18 years old to just be like, whatever, fuck him. He's not my fucking problem anymore. I'm worried about the 14-year-old now. Let's make sure he doesn't turn into this. So, yeah, so he gets mad at him. And it was a Saturday night, too. That's the other thing. So, I mean, it wasn't like it was, you know, a Tuesday night or something.

But still, his dad got mad at him. Dixon said that he had a fitful night of sleep. Okay. Didn't sleep very much. Is that what that means? A tough night. Yeah, just not getting a sound rhythm going. Okay.

Not getting any REM action going here. He should get himself a Lisa mattress. He really should. You know what? He actually should get himself a Lisa mattress because those things are goddamn comfortable as shit. I'm still loving my Lisa mattress, by the way. That is a free one for you guys. Freebies for you, Lisa.

That's how good their mattresses are. We'll throw a freebie in there in the middle of a murder story. So after he has what he says a fitful night of sleep, Nathaniel goes to his brother Taylor's closet to look for some clothes. I guess they are about the same size. So they would exchange clothes. I could see that happening. Like, hey, I for some clothes. I guess they are about the same size. So they would, you know, exchange clothes. I could see that happening. Like, hey, I wore your shirt.

I got your sweatshirt. I got my jeans or whatever the fuck. So he goes in there looking for some clothes of him. And he's supposed to go. He's supposed to be riding at 7 a.m. But this is past 7 a.m., okay? This is why, okay. 9.17 a.m. here.

He's supposed to be there at 7. 9.17 a.m. here. He's supposed to be there at 7. 9.17 a.m. he calls Creel. And he says, hey, you still want to go riding? You know, whatever. I got some shit to talk about. Realize I'm about two and a half hours late. I'm about two and a half hours late, but I got my banjo on my back and I'm ready to spill my soul. Let's do this.

Creel said, he said, quote, I told him, yeah, come on down. And he said he'd be there in 45 minutes. So that was it. Come on over. Let's go. No problem. Yeah, sure. I'm sitting here.

The fuck else am I going to do? Okay. So let's figure out what old Nathaniel does from here. Okay. Now, Nathaniel, he's a little upset. Not too upset, but he was upset about the problem last night with his dad. Yeah. He says he told his dad that

he has a Ford Thunderbird. That's his car, which is a big piece of shit. And he said that That's what I have. I had a friend that had a Thunderbird, so I know it's a piece of shit. It's quick, but it's fucking stupid. He had a turbo. Oh, did he? And it just broke down every

third day. It was awesome when it got going. It was fast, but Jesus, did it break down constantly. It was a pile of shit. Supercharged V6, right? I think it was. I'm not sure. I don't remember. It was 20.

But if you put anything but the 93 fuel in it, it would not start. Would not start. Wouldn't even run. No. My friend, he was my friend's, I was friends with him, but he was my best friend's older brother. And one time he was supposed to go on a trip, this guy, and my little brother, or my friend's friend was supposed to put gas in his car. His little brother, and he put gas in his car and didn't put the right thing.

Friend went outside, fired up that car, and it didn't fucking fire up. Came in the house going, what fucking color gas did you, what fucking color was it? My friend ran in the bathroom, and my other friend with the car tried to kick the door down for like five minutes yelling, what fucking color did you put in my fucking car? It was insanity. So Thunderbird, very touchy is what I'm getting at here. He tells him, this isn't a turbo problem, he tells him

that he had a tire problem with the Thunderbird. That's what he's telling his dad. He's like, I had a tire problem. He was upset about that and the father told him, just take, they have another, they have a Ford Explorer that's kind of one of the family cars it's a shitty gold ford explorer and uh the father told him to told nathaniel to just take that in the morning if he needed to go out or whatever because his car didn't work uh so that was all happening here so uh everyone's asleep at this point it's in the morning the father isn't home the moment, but everyone else is asleep or what he thinks.

His little brother's asleep there. He's sleeping in his little brother's room in the back of the house. I guess he's roomed up with his little brother here now because he's had to move back home. He said he was upset, too, this morning. The reason why he didn't sleep well was a lot about his girlfriend. He was thinking about his ex-girlfriend a lot. Apparently the mother was the issue there. The mother wouldn't let the girlfriend see him.

Now, I don't know if that's because he's a directionless asshole or if she just used that as an excuse. That's the thing, too. Like, oh, yeah, my parents don't let me see you anymore. Like, that's a great excuse. If I was a teenage girl and trying to get rid of some guy, it's not a bad one. It's a good one. You know what I mean? I think I might use that, too.

So he said he was thinking about her. The girl told him that his mother was thinking about filing stalking charges on him. Oh, my God. So he was very upset about that, basically. He was upset. So he wakes up, and his father and his little brother was already gone. His brother was there when he went to sleep. I think I said he was there when he woke up, but I meant he was there when he went to sleep.

He wakes up. Taylor's gone, and the father's when he went to sleep. I think I said he was there when he woke up, but I meant he was there when he went to sleep. He wakes up. Taylor's gone. And the father's not in the house either. So he's like, all right, what's going on here? So he just figured they, apparently they go every Saturday, they go to the dump, to dump shit. Oh, okay. So they just go and dump garbage and shit like that.

I don't know what the, it's a rural area. I don't know what the trash situation, pick up, you might have to go to the dump to get rid of your trash there. If it's not burnable, you got to go. Yeah, that's what I mean. So that might be the deal. So they go every morning. Uh, so Nathaniel goes into the closet, like we said, Taylor's closet and he looks in and he's looking for clothes and, uh, he can't find exactly what clothes he's looking for, but what he does find is a 12 gauge shotgun. Uh, he sees that, uh, and he said he picks up the shotgun here. This is the same gun, I guess, Taylor likes to shoot squirrels with it and does target shit and all that sort of thing.

Okay. So he grabs, Nathaniel grabs a 12-gauge and grabs some buckshot from the top of Taylor's dresser. He loaded it for some reason. Yeah. Loads up the shotgun. He said he walked down the hall with it, and he found he was in the middle room and his stepmom maritza she's in bed uh she's still in bed but she's talking to her daughter yeah uh melissa there she's talking to her her the daughter's at the foot of the bed uh talking uh he stood in the doorway and he looked at them for about a second

and then he shot his stepmother oh boy out of nowhere just shot her while she was in bed no reason no provocation no nothing okay okay shoots the shoots the stepmother this shot hits her in the head yeah so he hits her right in the head i guess that target practice last night uh really did the trick really paid off for him here uh she doesn't move after that he gets her one shot in the head like a movie basically uh so at that video game you're a video game exactly at that point he goes back into taylor's room to reload the shotgun jesus yeah he grabs there was one more round up on the uh dresser he grabs that uh he and he at this point his stepsister obviously had run out screaming right uh he

follows her into the kitchen and shoots her also jesus uh yeah she was in the in the dry in the like the laundry room when he shot her at this point his brother taylor rushes in the house his father and his brother got home his brother rushes in the house and his brother is is uh you know going stop stop stop fucking what are you doing jesus christ so nathaniel punches him in the head, turns around, punches his little brother, who's 14, knocks him out cold. He laid there on the floor cold. At that point, he heard his dad's truck pull up.

So he knew he was home. So now this shit is getting hectic for no reason. He's supposed to go fucking four-wheeling. He made a phone call. I'll be there in a little while. Let me get this sweatshirt on. Let me shoot everybody first. Let me shoot my stepmom and my stepsister first. This is crazy. This makes no

fucking sense whatsoever. So his dad, he hears the dad come home now. So now it's like, oh shit. Like this is real. Like I don't know what he was thinking. I don't know if he was half asleep or what was going on here. Dad still doesn't know he's getting out of his truck. No. He reloads the shotgun. He makes his way out of the back door of of his truck. No. He reloads the shotgun. He makes

his way out of the back door of the house. Taylor does. He goes around the pool. Nathaniel does. Nathaniel, I'm sorry. Taylor is not doing it. Taylor's unconscious on the kitchen floor at this point here. I'm sorry. So Nathaniel goes out by the pool. He's outside. He sees his dad

walking on the pool side, by the house on the side of the pool. And he said he figured, Nathaniel figured that his dad walking by the house on the side of the pool. And he said he figured, Nathaniel figured that his dad was checking the pool filter out there. So what he does is his dad's out there checking the pool filter. He shoots him from where he's standing. Wow. He just shoots at his dad. He said he saw his dad walking up the embankment after that.

He shot him. His dad fell down. but he didn't know if he hit him if he just like took a dive or whatever uh then after that his dad got up and started running toward the road he got off the embankment and started running toward the road he realized somebody was shooting at him i don't know if he knew what was going on i hope he didn't yeah i hope he didn't think why is my fucking kid shooting at me because that's a scary thought to have here but uh it doesn't matter because he figures it out here in a minute. So Nathaniel calmly goes back inside, goes to his dad's closet and gets more shotgun shells out. So he gets more shotgun shells out, reloads, heads back out the back door. As he's going out the back door, Taylor was getting up off the floor, his little brother, and Taylor goes to run out the front door.

Now, Nathaniel looks around, doesn't see his dad out the back door. So he goes to the front door and Taylor is standing in the walkway halfway between like by the driveway right there. And he's screaming, what the fuck are you doing basically why are you doing this you knocked me out you shot this one you got a gun right shooting a dad holy shit this is bad news this is bad especially this is his little brother he's only 14 this kid's 18 i mean he probably this is probably his idol right right looks up to him more than anybody you know what i mean so uh he he's standing there screaming so he shoots his little brother too jesus shoots his little little brother and he goes back inside to

get more shells. Jesus shoots his little brother. He's like, OK, got to get more now. Wow. First of all, she's I mean, fuck, man. It's not even over yet. This isn't over by a long shot. Yeah.

Like this is just continuing. He's on a ramp. Not even a rampage. It's calm. It's collected. It's like a video game. Like, I shot him. Okay, let me go get more.

And I'm not blaming the video game because I play Grand Theft Auto and shit and I never shoot anybody. I never raped anybody. He rapes in that thing. Never did anything. Yeah. He's raping that. Well, I mean, it's not really rape.

It's just buying prostitutes. That's prostitutes. Yeah. Which, it's not great. But it's a gray area. But it's not rape. He's not knocking it. That's not getting into a rape.

It's a gray area. Moving on. I don't know. Is That's not going to rape. Moving on. I don't know. Is having sex with a prostitute rape? No. I don't think it's rape. I don't think it's rape. It's not good.

It's dirty. It's not a nice thing to do, I feel like. You could just, I don't know. Let's not get into this. That's what it is. Let's not get into this. Well, never mind. Never mind.

See, we're going to go out there. We could keep going. Is there more victims? That's a victimless crime. Well, most of the women who are involved in it had a horrible background. Their father diddled them and they were diddled. That's not the guy paying the money's problem. He's not.

No, it's true. It's not his problem. But yeah, no, the whole thing's a fucking mess. The whole thing's a mess. Oh, there's victims. It's just not in that crime. No, no, no. They're just buried in long, they're in plastic bags in the – All those crimes are much, much further done and over with.

The equivalent of garbage bags in the woods buried – just buried loosely under some leaves and some gravel. Just hasty. Yeah, real something like that. Jesus Christ. Anyway, so he goes outside. He shoots his little brother and then what? Yeah, so he shoots his little brother, which is goddamn horrible here. So, yeah, he goes out.

He gets another shell. He goes back outside, and he doesn't see Taylor now. So he shot him, but now he's not outside. So he's like, all right, shrugs that off and goes, well, where's dad? So he goes to the corner of the house, and he sees his dad at the edge of the yard, like right by the road. So he shoots him again and hits him again, his dad. So at this point, his dad

falls down and starts crawling down a hill toward the road. His dad is just crawling for his life at this point, which is wild. What does he do? First of all, poor planning, number one. At this point, he's got to go back inside and get another shell.

Take the fucking box with you. Is this a one shot shotgun? What are you doing, man? Loading it. Go back one more shell. Like he's just like, well, I guess I need another one. Like his foresight is not terrific on here. He goes back here, goes and gets another another shell from his dad's closet, comes out of

his dad's room and sees his brother on his chest on a chair in the living room. And he said that his brother was looking at him and crying and begging him, help, help, help. Jesus fucking Christ. It's his little brother. Like, I have little brothers like that. What are you doing, man? That's unbelievable. He's crying for help. So he said he couldn't stand to hear him cry for help anymore, so he shot him in the head.

He shot him in the head. to hear him cry for help anymore, so he shot him in the head. He shot him in the head. He said that this particular shot, too, it's pretty close range in the head with a shotgun, so it was messy. A little room for error.

Yeah, he said that there was just, there was a lot of blood, a lot of spatter, a lot of pieces of skull embedded in drywall and shit like that. Ugly stuff, man. Ugly stuff. And also, Nathaniel, a lot of this account comes from Nathaniel. Really? And it's all backed up perfectly by the forensics and everything else.

He told the truth about everything. And a lot of this, and his quote on this is after he shot his brother. And he was the one who said, he said, quote, the blast blew blood and pieces of Taylor onto the walls of the living room. He wrote those words down. Pieces of Taylor. What a terrible. Pieces of Taylor. That's fucking horrible.

What a terrible sentence. His next line is, quote, he did not cry anymore. Okay. Well, no shit. You just fucking shot him in the head, you asshole. He's on the wall, you dick. So that was the shell that he had for his dad. So now what's he got to do?

Go get more shells. Got to go back to the closet again to get another round. As he goes, so I mean, first of all, the horror scene he's walking past, there's no register of like, and it's not like, this is what I don't get. It's not like he's in a rage and he's just not registering things. He's walking past, there's my stepmom, because he goes into his dad's closet that's in their room. So he walks past her body on the bed. Passed through the kitchen where the sister's at.

Sister's laid out. Little brother dead all over the living room. Pieces of him onto the walls of the living room. This is unbelievable. This is fucking, this is a mess. And he just makes his way through it like nothing happened. He said at this point he makes his way out of the front door and sees his dad down by the road. He's laying on his side.

His dad's on his phone. Luckily, this is 2008, so he's got a cell phone. Cell phones are everywhere. He walks up to his dad and he stops a short distance away. Okay? He stops like he's measuring him up. Like a hitman would walk up to someone that he wounded, and now he's going to finish the job.

Stands over, his dad rolls over and says, I love you, and Nathaniel shoots him again. Jesus. Shoots him again. As he puts it, took my last shot at him. His father said, I love you, and threw his hands up. So he said it hit him in the hand and the arm and didn't kill him. Shot him three times now. That's the last shot.

Didn't kill him because he hit him in the hand and the arm. He had his hands up. So then Nathaniel proceeds to beat him with the shotgun. He proceeds to then as he put it hit him with the stock of the shotgun. He said he swung it like a club. Not even down.

He was hacking at him like he was. Wow. He said he was still breathing after that. Fuck. Fuck, man. Jesus. His dad's a tough son of a bitch, number one. And how sick is this kid?

I don't know. My Christ. You don't see this unprovoked. You might see someone take a shot at somebody and then be like, holy shit, what did I do? This is like you don't see this behavior from people that's never happened before. Bananas. So, yeah, he said he's still breathing. Nathaniel says he then tossed the gun into the woods on the side of the road.

He said at that point he started to feel sick. Well, no shit. You should. You should have done that a long time ago. Maybe that should have came in a while back. When you thought I could kill four people, you should have been sick then. That should have been, yeah, absolutely. So he goes and gets the keys to the Explorer that Dad said he could drive anyway.

It's Moritz's car. Goes and gets that. He says he got his sandals out of Taylor's room. He had no shoes on during all this, by the way. Barefoot shooting everybody. He got in the Explorer, took off, went down the road. He said he didn't look at his dad, even in the rear took out took off went down the road uh he said uh he didn't look at his dad even in the rearview mirror there just kept driving he then uh he stops with the ford

explorer he stops at a spinnaker's exxon station stops at a gas station buys three bottles of propel water and a can of grizzly grizzly straight stuff byuff by some dips. That one's gross. It sounds gross. Grizzly's disgusting. Yeah. So there's the clerk, Amanda Tripp, said she checked his ID and took notice of his name. It's a small town. There's a video of him in the store, fine as can be, taking a sips of the water, drink,

standing at the counter just like nothing happened. Just hanging out. Hanging out. Amanda Tripp said he was a regular customer of the store drink standing at the counter just like nothing happened. Just hanging out. Hanging out. Amanda Tripp said he was a regular customer of the store. She knew him. She said, quote, he went on about his way like nothing ever happened. He come in here as normal as could be. He come in here as normal as could be.

Of course. But no problem. Just walked in like nothing happened at all. Just shit doing fine. Buying Propel. Three of them, by the way. Buying some Propel. Yeah.

He said Grizzly Wintergreen flavor, by the way, Grizzly he had here. Even more gross. Even more gross here. He said he bought that. He said he called Brantley from Taylor Cell Phone. He said he'd been using Taylor Cell Phone since he moved into the house. He'd been borrowing it. He doesn't even have a phone of his own at this point.

He has nothing. He tells Brantley, still coming on over. I'm on my way over. I'm on my way. Get those four-wheelers fired up. So he said, sure thing. They get on there. He drove down.

He said he passed the hospital. He passed the post office on the way to Brantley's. He stopped at Hardee's in Belton. He's a little hungry. He's going to pick up a cheeseburger. He's a chicken biscuit. It's the South. He's a chicken biscuit.

That's what he got. He used, by the way, used his stepsister's credit card to pay for it. Really? Oh, yeah. Used the debit card to buy breakfast. $600 in change is gone? That's all gone. Yeah.

He said he was sick to his stomach. He could only take two bites. I'm surprised you got through one, you dickhead. Come on, man. He's only got two bites. He's like, I'm just not feeling good here. He said he gets to Brantley's. He goes inside uh his girlfriend was there uh they're hanging out everything was fine he said that uh he noticed that he had spots of blood all over his shoes

when he got there so he said he went and washed the spots of blood off his feet in the bathroom and uh yeah they went out to do their normal plan yeah ride uh ride four-wheelers and have a good old time here. So they're doing that. Now, in the meantime, some other shit's going on, as you might imagine. Some cops showed up at a house. A little bit. 9.21 a.m., several calls come in to 911 dispatchers. Andy, the father, was the first person to make the call.

That's why he was on the phone, obviously. They found the cell phone lying next to him when they found him. Neighbors heard about four gunshots, they said, around that time. Several 911 calls were received. There was a couple that said that they heard shots when they saw a man fall on the ground outside of the address, 153 Pine Lake Drive, but they thought it was a guy falling out of a tree. Somebody said they thought maybe that's what happened there. They don't expect, I probably don't expect this here. But people heard that a lot of people heard the shots.

He said one guy said he heard one shot, then three in succession, then a final shot that sounded muffled. He said, quote, We thought someone was shooting at animals. We are animal lovers. So that concerned us. Yeah, it's worse than that. Much, much worse than that. You wish they were shooting at rabbits here. They get out there.

They said as they were running out, the car that Nathaniel was driving drove past them, and they didn't even notice it. They were just like, oh, there's a car. They were just like, whatever. She said, though, she saw the man in the grass, and someone else called 911. The dispatcher said that someone had already called and said a man fell out of a tree. This woman who called reiterated how hurt this guy looked and please hurry and all that. Well, yeah, obviously.

Police show up. They get to him. He's still breathing when they get there. But just pretty much right as the cops get there, he dies. He dies. They get there. It's a 936 a.m. is his last breath pretty much. Now at this point, they just think that this happened outside.

What the fuck is going on? Yeah. Now they see, oh, wait, there's blood over here, though, too. Goes into the house from Taylor, leaving a blood trail behind him, obviously, after getting shot and going back inside. So they go into the house. They find the other three. They find Maritza in the in the in the bedroom they find Melissa in the living room and they find Taylor hiding behind a clothes dryer because he went in there to that's that's that's where he ended up shooting him behind the clothes

dryer in the living room that's what ended up happening he was hiding back there begging for help and he shot him so and they didn't find him right away they didn't find him till two in the afternoon wow they were cleaning everything else up and they were like whoa hey here's another one they didn't the fucking tip wasn't by the way we have two bodies over there whose heads are pretty well intact except for she's in a bed and her head's all over there yeah why is all this head all over here they didn't know they went in like room by room and like, shit, lock this room down. What's going on? They didn't know what they were finding. Basically, everything is a crime scene

now. They're like, what are we doing? They move through it. They end up finding Taylor. Back to Nathaniel. That's what's going on in the real world. Nathaniel on the other hand is a little after 10 a.m. He's hanging out with his friends.

Creel said they just, you know, they rode four-wheelers all day. Creel said, quote, I didn't think nothing about it. And when he came over, everything seemed so normal. We were just cutting up and having fun all day. That Nathaniel is a real cut-up. He's a cut-up all day. He's cutting up. He's making jokes.

He's a real prankster. That's Rocky the cut-up right there. Jesus. Fuck Rocky. You's a real prankster. That's Rocky the Cut-Up right there. Jesus. Fuck Rocky. You're a dickhead, Rocky. I don't ever want to hear that nickname for anybody ever again. No. So Creel's girlfriend, Brittany Fady is her name.

She starts hanging out with them, and she rode on the ATV with Creel, and that's a girl who'll go along with some shit. I'll just jump on the back of the ATV and that's fine. They went all through the trails all day. This is where Creel lives and also where Creel's grandfather lives, whose name is James

Filyaw, but his nickname is Moose. So old Moosey Filyaw here. They go by his house in Belton. Creel at one point. This is where I got their ridge side talks. Creel said, quote, at one point in the day, we stopped at

a river to kind of cool off a bit. This is when the talk happened. See, this is when he goes, I'll tell you something, boy. He said, quote, that was the only point in the day that he was really quiet. He said, quote, I got a feeling something bad was happening. That's what he said. That's what Nathaniel said. He got a feeling right then that someone bad.

I don't know if they're cleaning up your entire family. Brains off the wall. I got a feeling something bad is happening right now. Like they're building a case against me. Like, I don't know. I'm wanted by every law enforcement agency in the state. Everything in South Carolina is looking for me. That could be the possible reason.

But Creel said after that, quote, everything was fine. He was back to his normal self. Two seconds of reflection and a little bit of a sour stomach for a chicken biscuit from Hardee's, which, to be honest, you could be feeling really good, and that would still make you feel sick. That'll stagger you. That'll slow you down a step at minimum. That's the mental anguish this has caused him. He caused him to slightly pause and to not finish his chicken biscuit.

So he's really, you know, you feel for him. He has remorse. It's deep. It's deep. And then he unleashed one crazy Southern South Carolina fart, and the rest of the day was fine. That's it. Done. Everything's fine.

Much better now. Sheriff, the sheriff here, Sheriff Crenshaw, which sounds like a southern sheriff, he said that at that point at 3 p.m. he announces that they're looking for Nathaniel Dixon as a person of interest at this point in time. Super interesting. Yeah. So what they do here, the boys, back to Creel and Nathaniel, they get back to Creel's house about 7 p.m.

and they change clothes. You know, they're muddy. And they drive over to, they're hungry. Yeah. Jimmy, they missed lunch. They did. They missed lunch. He had chicken biscuit only.

He had very little of his chicken biscuit. They drove over to Ingalls' grocery store to buy some steaks to grill. They're going to grill steaks. Let's get some murder steaks. Wow. Murder steaks. He's going to celebrate. Ingalls Grocery Store.

I looked up Ingalls Grocery Store. By the way, their slogan is low prices, love the savings. You betcha. It should just be, get your murder steaks. Line them up. Hi, I'm Randy Ingalls. My grandfather, Jebediah Ingalls, opened the first Ingalls Grocery Store way back in 1924. Back then, he only had two philosophies.

Number one, keep those goddamn blacks out of the store. Now, we've eased up on that one over the years. But his second philosophy holds true to this very day. When a man slaughters his whole family, he needs something hearty to eat. He needs a murder steak. We cut them thick. Home of the original murder steak we cut them thick that's that's it they got them all laid out they got them all laid out and then

the the last row in the case are the thick murder steak that's a murder steak you need that well it's like on the sopranos too fuck another hbo show uh sopranos a pussy and tony kill a guy they go out to have a giant thick steak afterwards, and they talk about it. Remember my first time. You go out to have a steak afterwards. That's to prove what a fucking man you are, that you can kill someone and then eat red fucking meat afterwards. Big, thick red meat. So this fucking lunatic goes and gets a murder steak from Ingalls Market.

Sorry, Ingalls Market, by the way. I'm sure it's a fine chain that does not endorse murder or the mistreatment of black people. I'm sure they're fine. Love the savings. Low prices, love the savings. Let's give them a free plug. Ingalls Markets, everybody. Go down there.

Head down there today. I swear to God. Even if you're black, they will not kick you out of bronze. Love the savings. So, yeah, while they're at the store, Creel's grandfather calls and tells him that they should come home because it's going to rain soon. Creel's was like, what the hell do you care? The vehicles are left out in the rain all the time. Who gives a shit, basically?

What's the difference here? The reason why he wanted them to come home was- The police are telling them, get your fucking kid here. Because the police, at about 7.30, sheriff's deputies rode past Creel's grandparents' house, but passed old Moose's house and unmarked cars, and they end up talking to old Moose Filliard, and he says, what's going on to the deputies? They said, well, we're looking for Nathaniel Dixon. There are just fucking skull fragments all over the place over there.

They're all over the place. It's a disaster. So Moose calls his grandson there and gives an excuse, says, we need you here, we need you here. Creel says, quote, by the time we drove up there, cops... Who? By the time we drove up there was cops everywhere. I thought he said cops was everywhere.

I was like, are you kidding me? He said there was cops everywhere? He said there was cops everywhere. So that's fine. He used fine English there. No, he didn't. By the time we drove up there was cops everywhere. So that's fine. He used fine English there. It's my fault. No, he didn't. By the time we drove up, there was cops everywhere. I'll accept that. It should be there were.

You know what? It's fine. I know it should be there were. We're really picking this. Come on. Seriously. I mean, it's fine by Southern accounts, yes. By shit kicker ATV riding, dip shit, murder steak buying kids.

It's fine. Creel said at this point, Nathaniel's still not even shaking up. He doesn't even go, oh, shit, what the fuck? He's just like, well, what's going on here? Creel's losing his mind because there's cops everywhere. He's like, why are there cops everywhere? Nathaniel's like, beats me. Who knows?

Shrugs it off. Let's go talk to them. Let's go fire the grill up, by the way. I got a hankering right now. Hankering for a murder steak. Got to get a murder stake in me so uh yeah uh at that point uh authorities the cops here they separate nathaniel and creel and uh creel said uh that at that point uh quote he seemed like real he seemed like really scared it didn't look like the nathan i knew at that point so at that point it got real yeah he

said oh shit they're taking me away. That's right. I killed four people. He's now having some thoughts. Whoops. Whoops-a-daisy. Moose said that he tells the press later on that authorities went and picked up a cell phone. He was using Taylor's cell phone, and for some reason he threw it out the window.

I don't know what the hell. While he was out there, he threw it away to be like, oh, don't connect me to the cell phone. It's your cell phone and for some reason he threw it out the window for I don't know what the hell while he was out there he threw it away to be like don't connect me to the cell phone it's like it's your cell phone you fucking idiot and the funny thing is too he says like all day he was kind of lagging behind with the four wheelers Nathaniel says he's like because he just wasn't into

it his heart wasn't into it but everyone else was like he was fine he was here he was hanging out everything was fine we were all happy everybody was good. So they end up taking Nathaniel into custody, obviously, at about 8 o'clock. 11 p.m., the sheriff holds a news conference. They hold a press conference giving the names of the victims and saying that they're already ready to charge Nathaniel right now with murder in all four shootings. They're the prosecutor here, this Adams, Chrissy Adams. She says, quote, nothing really rises to the level of explaining why this happened today.

This was a family that loved each other. So even then they're like, we don't have any fucking idea what happened, but clearly something happened. And this is, by the way, in all the records they checked, it is the first quadruple homicide they can find in the history of Anderson County. Wow. This is that little piece that hangs into Anderson County. Wow. So as you can imagine, this is big news around these parts.

It's big news here. Creel, the next day, the press is like all over this shit. Especially that guy. They're talking to everybody they've ever known and Creel spent the whole day with him. What was he like after he just slaughtered his family? First of all, you know it wasn't planned.

Right. There's no way you say, I'll be there at seven when you're planning on killing your family the next morning. I feel like he called up his friend, was like, all right, I'll be there, then killed them, and then took off. Yeah. I feel like that's four fucking minutes in between the 911 call, and that was him killing everybody.

Yeah. He hung up the phone, was like, let me grab a sweatshirt, let me kill 911 call, and that was him killing everybody. He hung up the phone. He was like, let me grab a sweatshirt. Let me kill everybody first, and then I'll go. You know, like, should I pee now or later? Should I piss before I leave? I'll be there in 15. Let me piss now.

That's what he did. Let me just shoot everyone now. Now is a good time. And then that way later on I'll eat a murder steak, and it'll be better. So Creel said he thinks Nathaniel's innocent. Really? He said, quote, in my head, I don't really think he'd done it. Wow.

In those exact words. In my head, I don't really think he'd done it. I think he'd done it. I'll tell you what. I think he'd definitely done it. I think he'd done it. Wow. He said, just that day when we was eating breakfast at Hardee's.

How redneck of a statement is that? Oh, boy. Just that day when we, just the the statement when we was eating breakfast at hardy's the hardy's the eat when we was the whole thing is just redneck fucking thick holy shit hardy's is terrible by the way yeah the place is so awful disgusting you get fucking biscuits and gravy at a fast food jane it's not a good it's not good no and it's expensive too as we found out carl's jr we were in a right fuck you carl jr i'm paying 11 for a fucking fast food, Jane, it's not a good place. It's not good, no. And it's expensive, too, as we found out. Carl's Jr., we were in LA. Right.

Fuck you, Carl's Jr. Fuck you. I'm not paying $11 for a fucking fast food hamburger meal. Eat dicks. When did that happen? But McDonald's isn't even cheap anymore. No. All that shit just became crazy.

Because they're stuck between do we want quality or do we want to have just shit food you can get for a dollar? I think that they're figuring this is going to run out sometime we gotta cash in yeah exactly yeah people are willing to pay eight dollars for a hamburger it's not even that good let's take it now let's do it we'll call it a fancy we'll put a fucking bun it's like it's a ciabatta kaiser whatever yeah this is a fucking pretzel bun get out of here jesus christ man uh so he says just that day when we was eating breakfast at hardy's he was cutting up about his little brother. He said, so, I mean, that's the part of the reason I just don't see him doing it.

Part of the reason. That's the part of the reason I just don't see him doing it because he just killed his brother and then they were joking around about his brother dicking off, which that seems pretty cold-blooded at that point. It's almost like he's just like, I don't even know, like an alien took him over or something. It's like pod people. Creel doesn't understand that people can do that. That's the problem. No, no, no. He just doesn't think his friend could do that.

Everybody that's done this shit has people in their life that doesn't think they can do it. But I don't know if they saw him that whole day, like right afterwards, and spent the whole day with him eating breakfast, joking about a guy he just killed. He washed his family's blood off in your fucking sink, just so you know. That's another thing there. And he took off his shoes. I mean, it's – what a disaster. Creel is – it's fine.

I thought it was – I thought, he's all right. And he said they were like, I just don't see him doing it. And then a press person, a journalist asked him about, didn't you say that he was planning on getting a degree in electronics and he had plans? And Creel says, quote, that's what I'm saying. This dude, this dude, he had a plan set up for the future and everything. I just don't see him doing that. That's what I'm saying. This dude, he had a plan set up for the future and everything. So he's just talking.

And now he said that then he took a minute, really took a breath. And he says, quote, Now that I think about it, it kind of scares me. Well, no shit. It's something you know. You were out in a remote resort area of town and you just now realize you're out there with a fucking murderer. It's like we were at my thinking spot. And that's usually why we tell each other everything. We're very honest.

Right. He told me how many women he loved. It was one. It was one. Now you'd think he'd be like, I loved one woman, and I killed four people. Those are my statistics. One love, four dead. That's how it worked.

He went on, Creel said, to say, quote, it's something you never expect to happen to you. It just blows my mind. He was an awesome guy. That's why this is all such a shock. He's killed four times more than he's loved, sir. He's not a good dude. Not a good guy at this point.

Jesus Christ, man. Melissa Funk, who's a woman whose son was friends with both the Dixon boys. She had boys too. Teenage boys. She said she's trying to process. This was right in her neighborhood. She said, quote, teenage boys. She said she's trying to process this is right in her neighborhood. She said, quote, whatever has happened, if what the police say is true, it's not the Nathan that I know.

I'm worried about him. I hate what has happened to everybody, and I'm worried about him, too. Interesting. She talked about how she knew about the thing with the girlfriend. This is a small town. I know the teenager down the street just broke up with his girlfriend. There's tons of teenagers in your neighborhood. Do you know the status of any of their relationships?

Zero. Zero. None. That's how it should be, by the way. Don't give a fuck. And it should be like that. You shouldn't care. I don't care.

This Melissa Funk said about the only time she ever remembered Nathan getting into trouble was when she was coming to pick up her son at high school because her son got in trouble and was sitting outside, was in the principal's office. And Nathan was sitting outside the principal's office. And she said, quote, Nathan, what are you doing here? And he said, quote, Mrs. Funk, I have holes in my blue jeans. So that's why he got sent to the office. Oh, he's got his knees are out. Yeah.

So she said, quote, he was not a troublemaker. This is the biggest kind of and that's the biggest kind of infraction I ever knew of him having. That's why everybody is so shocked. No warning at all. Yeah. I mean, the Marines wouldn't take him. He lost his job at McDonald's. It's tough.

You see it. And his girlfriend broke up with him. Maybe everybody close to him sees that he's a little shitty. Maybe. This is normally the type of kid that puts a shotgun in his own mouth. Yeah, that's a good point. Or kills the girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or something like that. Or her new boyfriend. But to slaughter the whole family, including his brother, out of nowhere, it's not like he had like a- Why take it out on them? A mental deficiency. It's so strange, man. Anyway, his step-uncle here, Oswaldo Hurtado, obviously the other side, said that.

That's not a South Carolina name. That's not a South Carolina name. They say, you're not from around here, are you? That's what they say to that, which I got with my last name down in North Carolina. They go, you ain't from around here, are you? Nope, definitely not. Where'd you get that from? My favorite thing you ever said was when the guy in Texas asked you for directions of shit town.

And you're like, how dare that fucking guy. Yeah, I'm so mad. I think I know where the fuck that shit town is. You're out of here. What do I look like? I know where that shit town is? I look like I'm from around here. How dare you?

You know me. If we were in the middle of nowhere in Texas, would I be the first guy you'd ask for fucking directions? Or you'd be like, he's not from around here. I'm going to go fight. I think you were just the biggest person there. And he just like there's a person there's a hoss there i was the only guy there without a fucking cowboy hat on though in the whole property so i was don't ask me how dare you assume i'm from around here out of your fucking mind that's what i get offended i. The guy asked James for directions.

He's like, what? Are you kidding me? No, I don't know. I don't fucking know. Nick gets in the car. How dare that guy? That's out of his mind. I took it as an insult.

We're in the middle of nowhere. I don't live here. There's nothing here. How would I know? That's so good. Oh, man. So Oswaldo here, he said he's struggling uh with the charges he said that nathan was a good kid he played with his brothers all the time and with the

kids in the stepmother's family yeah they're maritza's family he played with all those little kids nice to everybody uh hurtado said quote i do not understand what has gone on they were a normal family only god knows no one will ever know. Yeah. Which is about all you could say to this. It's a great non-Southern speech right there. Yeah, he is not Southern, I don't think at all. Now, Patricia Dixon, the mom from before, we haven't heard anything from her. She is defending her son. Really? She's saying something must have been wrong. That's not something that's in her son's heart. She said, quote, Nathan had a good heart. Something was really wrong. He wouldn't ever do this.

He wouldn't ever do this out of his heart. Okay? I don't know what that means. Something was really wrong. He loved his little brother and his dad and his dad was all he ever talked about. And then she broke down into tears and ran off. Other people, too.

Family members. John Dixon, he said that he was talking about Andy. He said Andy was a good man. The boys were good boys. He said, quote, the ladies and stuff, they were all good people. What? The ladies and stuff. You just don't expect something like that. He said he talked to his brother all the time.

His brother never gave a, he didn't say, oh, there's something wrong with my son. We're scared of him. I'm kiting all the weapons. That never happened. He just said, quote, naturally we're hurt. We're just having to deal with it one day at a time. Randy Thompson, he coached Taylor on the baseball

team. He said he had a promising future, Taylor. He said he was a quiet boy. When he spoke, it was usually something funny. He said he had a promising future, Taylor. He said he was a quiet boy. When he spoke, it was usually something funny. He said, quote, he had his little quirks about him, but that's what made him so special. So, I mean, yeah, they're all just talking about what a nice kid everyone's saying. The general quote that you could put on everyone is, quote, I never would have seen anything like that coming. Everyone said that.

Everybody fucking said that. The Monday after this happened, students at Wren Middle School wore white t-shirts with handwritten things to Taylor, tributes to Taylor. They decorated his locker and the whole deal. He became the full page of the yearbook that year.

He got himself a full page anyway. So what the fuck happened? What the fuck happened? How do you start? On MySpace recently, not now recently because MySpace has been fucked forever, but back then he posted calling his dad a hero. Everyone said he got along.

He's a good, decent student, well-liked by teachers. When they caught him, no drugs or alcohol in the system whatsoever. Not a fucking thing. Stone sober. Teetotaling, complete sober. When they arrested him, they said, let's give him a mental evaluation. Because they tested him. They're like, he's not on anything.

He seems fine. What the fuck? Let's give him a mental evaluation. Maybe he has like a fucking tumor or a blood clot or maybe there's something wrong with him here. Who knows? Dixon's attorneys at this point. He gets attorneys, Kurt Tavenier and Andy Potter. They that you know dixon wasn't drunk he wasn't under the influence a psychiatrist tested you know was going to testify for the defense he said he could not

find any evidence of mental illness that would give attorneys grounds for an insanity defense who know they're just like i don't know guess he killed everyone that's the it's the weirdest thing uh the attorney said quote this kick this kicks at your gut because it was a good family. Even the attorneys talk like this. Nathan was a good kid and we don't know what made him snap. No shit. Like I said, pretty much everything from the murder, like the detail of it, was right out of his mouth.

Wow. Right out of his mouth. And normally we don't, we'll not do that because it's usually self-serving, but he literally told the 100% truth. All the forensics lined up with it. The prosecutors didn't even say, no, no, that has to be like this for you to be nothing. They were like, no, that's exactly what happened. Wow. That's exactly judging by forensics, exactly what happened in this house. So that's crazy. At the end of his confession, he confessed that night too. Didn't explain it. Didn't say this is why, but he said, quote, I do not. I don't know why I killed my family today.

Once I loaded that shotgun and shot Maritza, I could not stop and I did not stop until I shot them all. It hurts inside and I really can't believe it's real. I'm concerned how all of this may affect my enlistment in the Marine Corps. I am sorry for all the trouble I have caused. It just hurts inside. Poorly. Poorly is how it's going to affect you. You're not.

That's not the killer they want. No. Unless they have a jail that you want to go hang out in. Like, oh, Marine Corps jail. Yeah, we'll recruit you. You come in here. You're going to fucking prison. Yeah.

You're not going to the Marine Corps. Wow. Out of your fucking mind. How does he? Yeah, he's out of to fucking prison. Yeah. You're not going to the Marine Corps. Wow. Out of your fucking mind. How does he? Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind. I'm wondering how. He's out of his fucking mind. He's not like there all the way.

And no, you'd think this was someone before his teach. Somebody would have said like, he's a little detached. You know, like it's weird. He doesn't see reality for what it is. It seems like if he killed his whole family, he would just go eat at Hardee's and then go Red Quads. Like, how does somebody not figure out? Did he fall off the bed and hit his head in the fucking night?

Something's fucking for sure wrong with him. Like, honestly, like, what could have happened? We've done this. This is episode 50. Right. This hasn't happened before. It's usually a rage. This builds up.

He's a nice guy, blah, blah, blah. But him and his wife have been fighting for a year under the surface, and then he kills her. This kid just fucking loses it out of nowhere. And kills everybody. Everybody. It's a nice guy, blah, blah, blah, but him and his wife have been fighting for a year under the surface, and then he kills her. This kid just fucking loses it out of nowhere. And kills everybody. Everybody. It's not even planned. So, April 28, 2008, Nathan appears in court before, via closed-circuit television, before an

Anderson County magistrate, and he answers. They ask him where he lives, his full name, blah, blah, blah, whether he understood the charges against him. He stands motionless, just answers yes, yes, and says his address and everything. The judge says that the magistrate said that Nathan told authorities what he did. There's no motive. The magistrate said, quote, he just said so, but he can't say why he did it.

They say he's just like a regular Joe over there at the jail. Just a regular Joe. At the jail, too, they're like, he's not weird or crazy or psycho he's not starting shit with any just a kid sitting there like very normal yeah that's it uh they said that you know they couldn't find any history of any criminal record whatsoever no previous charges nothing they had they had this hearing in a small room in the anderson county detention center uh patricia dixon was there sitting in the middle of the floor screaming and wailing. Wow.

The whole time, which is really not necessary and not helping anybody. Anybody. And she's showing more emotion than the boy accused of this shit. No, she's screaming like a black woman whose son got shot on cops. And she comes in, my baby, my baby. And they got to hold her back. She's like, no, she's windmilling cops off her. That's how she's reacting.

Only her kids aren't dead. Well, one of her kids is dead. But her other she's like she's windmilling cops off that's how she's reacting only it's already her kids aren't dead all right well one of her kids dead but her other kids alive i feel for her trust me if you're a mother and one of your kids shot your other kid yeah holy fuck i don't know what and then i don't know what the emotion that would be at that point but you gotta calm down in public you gotta chill the fuck out you can't sit down you can't sit down in the middle of a hearing on the floor and cry and scream. That's not okay. You need to get your shit together.

People get sentenced to death and they don't do that. So you need to calm down because this isn't even you. Now, he said that Nathaniel could face the death penalty for this because it's South Carolina. Chrissy Adams, the prosecutor, said, quote, I intend to seek the death penalty, but I can't make a final determination until I have reviewed all the evidence and spoken to the family. So now they're going to do a bond hearing, which I spoiler alert, they're not bonding this fucking guy out at all. He doesn't have anything to fucking post it anyway. No. What was he going to do?

Yeah. $600 in change. I have here police. They show $600 and a murder stake and a murder. Here's my murder stake and my half eaten hardy's chicken biscuit there you go uh police show the shotgun used in a press conference there here's the gun everybody uh now what ends up happening is they do not pursue the death penalty okay uh adams does not pursue it she says it is mostly because the victim's relatives were

strongly opposed to it oh uh because they knew the kid and they didn't understand why he did it. And they were like, why are we going to kill this kid? There's something wrong with him. What the fuck, basically. And also, he had no criminal record and he was only 18 at the time of the murders. So they're like, add all that in. And the victim's family saying, please don't do it. Right.

It's just a mess. And I guess we don't get to kill someone on this one. Sorry, guys. Yeah. It's funny, too. For like the first couple weeks afterwards, he knew Dixon. Anytime they asked him, he had every detail. He could recall it like nobody's business.

After a few weeks, after a couple months, he said he couldn't recall anything anymore. It got foggy. He said everything was foggy. He couldn't remember shit anymore. I don't know if that's the attorney saying fucking dummy up, you know, pulling like a super fly snooker with the guy like there's a dead girl. Dummy up. You don't speak English. Don't talk.

It's one of those things here. So, yeah. But everything down to the gunshots, everything matched the physical evidence from the confession of confessions already on the books. So if you remember or not. Yeah. At this point, we got your your side of the story. Thank you.

September 21st, 2009 is sentencing for this because he pleads guilty. Right. Because obviously there's nowhere to go here with this. You can go in front of a jury with this. I don't know. They got four bodies and you're the only one in the house that's alive. And a huge confession detailing everything you did. You can't just shrug your shoulders and they're going to go.

I don't know. I don't know. So, yeah, they, like you said, both the Dixon and the Hurtado family, even the stepmother's family, argued against the death penalty for that. They thought the lifelong jail sentence would be more of a punishment since he's only 18 years old, 19 years old at this point. Everything. That is, he's going to be in there for 60, 70 years. Like, that's shit enough, they're saying. Pretty brutal.

Yeah. Nadine Salazar, who is her stepbrother, that's one of Maritza's other kids, said, quote, I want in court. She said this. I want him to remember his little brother, his father. I want him to remember. And she's pointing at him and shit in court. So the family made their statements. They want him put away, but they don't want him to die. Right now, the prosecutor, too, in this tries to, like, build a case of, like, trouble forming. But we went over the trouble. Her whole mountain is stole a roommate's credit card, girlfriend broke up with him, didn't get in the Marines, stole $600 in change from his dad.

All that accumulates together to one bad night of drinking. Exactly. Not four dead bodies. That's crazy. Yeah, punching some dude in the face at the bar and getting arrested for assault or getting a DUI. Not continuously loading a shotgun, meticulously going, methodically going inside. Right.

Putting a goddamn shell in there. Following people around the fucking property. Yeah. She says, well, he wasn't working and he moved back into his parents' house and so there was tension. Tension and that. His dad still said he could borrow the car the next morning. There ain't that much fucking tension a bottle of dick will fix all this

yep you get good and dickled and you'll be fine so nathan had to you know talk about this in court here uh he hung his head he didn't look up much when he answered questions and uh said that he killed his family uh as he pled guilty the judge here uh maddox says quote in my nine years this is the most unexplainable and despicable thing I have ever seen in my courtroom. Your brother and your stepsister, their unlimited potential is gone and wasted. It bothers me that you can't even tell me why. Yeah. So he he remained silent.

The mother's still crying. All he says is, quote, Thank you for accepting my plea. I and I apologize to the families. That's all he says to the judge. And so the judge says, if that's all you got, fine. You, sir, may fuck off. Life in prison without the possibility of parole. There you go. Take a hike,

asshole. That's accepting a plea, too. That's fucking crazy. That's a fuck off there. That's not getting the needles, what that is here. Now, later on, even the next, you know, around this time, his defense lawyer said it's just killing. It eats away at him that every day of what the fuck happened, basically. It's like in every other case, you figure it out.

He's like, I don't understand. There's no motive at all. No. He says, quote, the question that will go unanswered, what was it that caused him to snap? We'll probably never even know. Yeah. And that's the thing you're not gonna fuck we're never gonna know it just happened he doesn't know right he goes oh yeah weird weird silly crazy shit right i don't know like it's just scary yes because that's anybody who's normal and just going about their business and all the time and they're they might just start shooting at you.

It's fucking crazy. Right. And it's not to try to scare people. We do shows where people break into strangers' homes and murder them and rape them and all that. And it's the same thing. But this is scarier. This is fucking horrifying.

You're already afraid of the other thing. Right. This person's in your house and welcomed there. Right. So it makes it even scarier. All day long. Yeah. Any day. Any day.

Any time. Think about that over the holidays. You yell at them when they come in too late. You should have been here hours ago. Hey, Dickie. You don't do that to a rapist. You should have been here hours ago. No.

No. It's true. And if you know someone is on the verge of a shotgun snapping, you probably don't do it either. But if you just think he's your normal kid, talk to him like a normal kid. So he's in prison, Nathaniel, obviously. He's had some disciplinary issues in prison. Has he?

A couple of things. Nothing crazy, but little things. He's a fuck-up. In 2016, he had possession or attempted possession of a cell phone. Who's he calling? Who the hell? That's the thing. Who are you calling?

Everybody's dead, Dickhead. Yeah, he's still on MySpace in 2016 updating it. My dad's not so great anymore. So I like murder steak. Go to Engels. He's yelping Engels markets for their wonderful murder steaks. For that, he got a loss of his canteen privileges for 180 days. He had a loss of telephone privileges for 180 days and also loss of visitation privileges,

which I don't know who the fuck is visiting him. Probably his mom, I would assume. 2012, possession of a weapon. Oh, fuck. Don't know what that was about, but possession of a weapon. Not real detailed in your prison infractions. I'm sure that's internal memos. Yeah, it doesn't matter much. Yeah. He gets separate detention for 180 days and loss of visitation privileges for one day.

One day. One day. I don't understand what that's – no one's coming Monday. All right. It doesn't matter. He's in fucking solitary for 180 days. Yeah, what's the difference here? So 2012 also, he had a possession or attempted possession of a cell phone.

This was at the same time as the weapon problem. Here he gets disciplinary detention for 420 days, loss of telephone for 188 days, loss of visitation one day. Two weeks before that, he was again in trouble for possession of a weapon for that. What is he doing? I don't know if he's someone's after him. Yeah, I don't know. He's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid. He's not very big.

He's kind of thin and shit. He's like 6'2", but I think he's like $1.70 or something. You better have a weapon. You better defend yourself. He's, yeah, no shotgun this time. Loss of telephone privileges for 360 days out of this one. But then they added $188, $188. They keep adding it on there. One day of loss of telephone privileges for 360 days out of this one. But then they added 188, 188. They keep adding it on there.

One day of loss of visitation. In 2011, again, attempted possession of a cell phone. Same deal. 720 days of loss of telephone privileges. That's two years. Yeah. Loss of visitation privileges, 720 days. Wow.

Maybe that's why they were adding one each time because it was already two years with no visitation he's just fucked uh now he's had jobs he was a machine operator in 2000 yeah uh 2014 uh he got transferred out of that he was a general worker a couple time he was a food service aid in 2010 and 11 he was actually taken off of that job for unsatisfactory job performance. Don't you fuck up. If you murder people, we'll figure it out. If you go to prison and you're not even good at your food service job, I'll fucking find it.

You understand me? I will find this shit and tell everyone. Food service job. You can't even scoop fucking potatoes. They should have known. He was fired from McDonald's. How's he going to fucking have some food? Thank you.

Exactly. How's he going to put together prison food? God damn it, Jimmy. That's brilliant. I'm telling you right now. Also, too, he was a line operator there and got transferred and a wash rack attendant. He has earned zero education credits during incarceration as of March 14th, 2007. He's lost two of the worst food service jobs in the world.

Yeah. He's a fucking mor the worst food service jobs in the world. Yeah. He's a fucking moron. Let's just say that. Samuel Dixon, Andy Dixon, the dad here, is buried at Robinson Memorial Gardens in Easley. Taylor is buried at the Robinson Memorial Gardens in the same place. And they have a nice headstone for Taylor talking about baseball and something on there. It's a sweet thing right there. The ladies who were killed there, they have their private burial information.

So whatever. But that's that. That is easily South Carolina. Holy shit. And that is one of the strangest, oddest, weirdest, just, it's so strange. Yeah. It's one of those cases. It doesn't happen ever. No. It's one of those cases. It doesn't happen, ever.

No. It's so rare for those things to happen. Lately, we've done cases with a lot of motive, where it's like, oh, this person broke up with him, and then he was pissed, and then she was crazy with jealousy. Somebody's jealous, or this, we've had a bunch of these lately, where you were like, oh, clearly they wanted to get something out of that. Like, they were killing to try to get a head on something. Whereas this is just like, nope.

For no reason. Super weird. Don't understand it at all. Four people are dead for nothing. People are dead for goddamn nothing. Jesus. That is that. If you enjoyed that crazy-ass story, you're a weird son of a bitch, but we love it.

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People show up. You guys showed up in force. Wow. You showed up early. You had your gear on. You stayed late. You drove from Wisconsin. Oklahoma.

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But I mean, these people, and you guys were so amazing. You came out. People went to both shows. They came and they supported. They stayed for the entire- Entire weekend. Yeah. Boys from some-

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That was great, man. And partied and drank with me playing pool. Yeah, man. They hung out. We took pictures and had a great time and just talked to everybody. We got to talk to everybody and we got to send messages, video messages and stuff. All around the fucking world. Yeah, people in Afghanistan and people all around the world.

It was just great. We can't thank you guys enough for showing up and supporting this. Because if you like us and you like what we do, not even us, not even just us, anybody who's in this kind of realm of something, they're not on television, they're not being supported by some major conglomerate or whatever like that. And don't think Podcast One's a major conglomerate. It's still Podcast One, not fucking satellite satellite television one it's not nbc one exactly so i mean it's still podcasting but so i mean for you guys to come out and support us like that means the goddamn world to us it really does and it keeps something like this going and and we had so much fun and we know the live crowd had so much fun so we just wanted to thank you

guys so much for that and got get your asses to so much fun. So we just wanted to thank you guys so much for that. And get your asses to Detroit, Boston, Phoenix, because they're only going to get better, and we're going to have a lot of fun with these live shows. That's real. A lot of people didn't know. A lot of people didn't listen to the live shows when we released them because they were like, I don't like live shows. I don't like, they're usually shit.

And a lot of people listen to them, and they're like, oh my God, yours wasn't shit. These are so much better. We do an episode. It's not, a lot of people fuck around. And same thing with this week. A lot of people this week aren't going to put out an episode. There's a lot of your favorite podcasts. You're going to be scrolling through your shit.

There's going to be nothing. There's going to be some best of clip show. There's going to be some shit that they obviously slapped together that takes 10% of the normal time they put in an episode. We're not doing that. I don't care if no one's listening. We're doing a two hour fucking episode that we think is good. Right.

We're going to keep putting them out. We don't give a shit. And some of these people who have supported us so much by going to patreon.com slash crime and sports. They go to PayPal. They use our email address, crime and sports at gmail.com. And who the hell are these amazing people, Jimmy? Hit us hard like a hammer.

One of these people is Bree in Montana who went and got a fucking tattoo. people, Jimmy. Hit us hard like a hammer. One of these people is Brie in Montana who went and got a fucking tattoo. Ah, Brie. She got a tattoo that says, you sir may fuck off on her forearm. On her forearm with a gavel. Yeah. You sir may fuck off.

It's unbelievable. That's, wow. That's cemented. Yeah. Now into some kind of weird section of pop culture. That's some sort of Hall of Fame, right? That's amazing. And then she sent us a huge box of Montana shit today that we're

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I think so. I'm not sure. It doesn't matter. Thank you, guys. I appreciate both of you. We love you, Jay. They've been listening since the fucking beginning. Since the fucking beginning.

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Yeah, usually. Right. For the most part. You never know. Louise Brooks. Tatiana Lewis. Ah, shit. Tatiana or Luca, shit. Tatjana or Luka Janaki?

Luka Janaki. What the fuck? I don't know if that's right or not, but I like it. Tatiana Lukjanica. That's it. It's Lukjanica. Ah, okay. That's definitely it, I think.

It's not. Taryn Winnie. Ollie fucking FJ. How do you do that fjork fjork fjork era fjork fjorkika for is that an r i think i think it's for kiera for kiera no it's not i don't know what it is ollie thank you so much uh neil nah fucking neil for neil far Watch. Neelu. Nah, fucking. Neelu Far. Yeah. Ruffs and Johnny. Oh, yeah, yeah.

She's awesome. Yeah, but I don't know how to do that. I know. I don't know. I don't know how to do that. Neelu Far. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to put my lips and tongue and mouth around to make that sound like a perfect word.

But it's Ruffs and Johnny. I do know that. So thank you so much, Neelu. I'm going with Ne word. But it's Raphson Johnny. I do know that. So thank you so much, Nilou. I'm going with Nilou. Nilou Raphson Johnny. She's terrific. Lewis Simpson. Susan Manon.

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Keep an eye out. She's so cool. Thank you, Katie. Go to our Twitter page and find her. We retweet her every week. Tell you where all of the murders happen. Keep an eye out. She's so cool. Thank you, Katie. Go to our Twitter page and find her. We retweet her every week. Katie, you're terrific. Thank you. Andrew Balcom, Molly Parker, Blaze Cruz.

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It was part of the mail that we opened this week. Oh, yeah. That was awesome. Kathleen did that. Thank you. Fuck. I can't remember off the top of my head. I know the Slim Jims.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That was cool. Slim Jims were in it, and there was another box, too. I forget what. It doesn't matter. James, thank you very much, Kathleen. I appreciate you. James Cook, Melissa Neufeld, Gregory Ray, Brant Taylor.

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But whichever. Maybe her. I don't know. You're confused over that one? I just looked at it. I'm like, really? Molly? That's the one?

Maybe she does a lot of Molly. Who knows? You sounded hurt by that. I don't know. I can't at it. I'm like, really? Molly? That's the one? Maybe she does a lot of Molly. Who knows? You sounded hurt by that. I don't know. I can't figure it out. Mary Hemphill, Miriam Evans, Harry Lee, who works with my sister. He's a good dude. Thanks, Harry.

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I don't know. She's just fucking with me. She's Morgan. Rachel Hatton, Brianna Krantz, Jed Llewellyn Lewis, Patrick Poitras, Jeff Watson, Helen Collinshaw, Rhett Stubblefield, which is a badass name. That sounds really cool. So country. Yeah, it's like a movie character. This is Rhett Stubblefield. You'd be like, that's a bullshit name.

What are you doing? A guy named Rhett Stubblefield has never been accused of rape because it's such a sweet name. Well, it's just – plus the women are falling at his feet. Yeah, you allow that, man. You beg. You beg. You plead. Good for you, Rhett.

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All right. Here we go. Final good people. It's exhausting. I'm such an idiot. Gresham Fenton, Mariah Kelly, Tess Fahey, Saul Taylor Gowder, Kimberly Sprouse, Taryn Winnie, Andrew Davin, Lisa White, Gorilla Wolf, which is fucking amazing. I hope that's your for real name. I want that on a debit card. Mara Spensieri. Fuck. Mara Spensieri.

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Maybe it's Nika. Maybe. It could be Nika. Either way. Jen Armstrong. Jacob Blunt. Stephen Ward, Kenneth Zaguli. Zezaguli. Zezaguli. Zezaguli. Fuck. God damn it.

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