Small Town Murder - #522 - Facebook Catfish Killer - Old Town, Maine

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

This week, in Old Town, Maine, a young lady is lured from her house by a Facebook message from a friend. But it turns out that this wasn't the person she thought it was, and was actually a very different young man, who had a plan, sneak up on her, kidnap her, drop her off in a field... then come to her "rescue", and be treated as hero, while gaining her affection. The problem is, all he does is murder her, in cold blood. Will all the evidence in the world, and pages of handwritten confessions be enough to convict??Along the way, we find out that you need beer gardens to tolerate local bands, that you never know exactly who you're talking to on social media, and that if you don't want to be caught for a murder, maybe you shouldn't tell everyone you come in contact with!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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time to sit back let's all clear the lungs and arms to the sky and let's all shout let's do this everybody okay let's go on a trip shall we here we go let's do this everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip shall we here we go. Let's do it We're going someplace. We like very much Jimmy. Yeah, we're going to Maine, baby. Oh, yes We're going to old town main old town old town. That is not no ease in that. It's not no oldie townie It's old town just the words old town main. It's a northeastern main. I guess you'd call it of. Not all the way up there though it's more kind of central I guess. It's by banger so it's there. It's 20 minutes away from there. Yeah. So in the kind of central region here about two hours to Amity Main which was our last main

episode episode 471 the talented Mr. Psychopath which was a insane episode with lots of multiple murder. It was crazy. So population of this town, 7,415. Very small place. And it's pretty inexpensive. It's like from another era. The median household income here, 43,000 seven or I'm sorry, 474, which is well below the national average, usually 69,000 median home price here, 198,200. That is doable. Well below the national average usually sixty nine thousand median home price here one hundred ninety eight thousand two hundred That is doable. That's not bad when you hear those median home prices under 200 grand You're like that's not bad. I like that a little bit of history of this town Now it was originally not called old town as you would imagine

It would you don't start a new town and go we're calling it old town Really weird brand new place brand new confusing as fuck. What go we're calling it old town that would be really weird brand new place brand new confusing as fuck what are you guys building here old town okay interesting it was originally called panowam skit panowam skit that's why we change it the local indians called it that which means where the ledges spread out which meant referred to the riverbed because it had rapids and drops and shit like that. Then the French established a Catholic mission here in the 1680s. Jesus.

Yeah, it's been here a long time. Then almost 100 years later, Great Britain took over from the French following the Seven Years War, and it was settled by the English, I guess. The name Old Town derives from Indian Old Town, which was the English name for the largest Indian village in the area. Which was, which by the way, is now known as Indian Island and Old Town, they just moved somewhere else.

So, makes no sense. It's best known for the Old Town Canoe Company, which they manufacture canoes and kayaks, and they've been there for a hundred something years. So makes a lot of sense The University of Maine is nearby. So a lot of work there. It's in Oro no, how the fuck do you say that? I don't know or oh no Oh Ro no could be anything So I'm not gonna try and have people go hee-hee giggle giggle. He said a row or no. Oh god

and have people go hee hee giggle giggle he said a rano oh god we don't know how to pronounce a town we've never heard of in the middle of nowhere that weird we don't know it is uh yeah home home to a big paper mill to reviews of this town here we go five stars I have absolutely loved living in old town in the three years, I've never had any issues other than buying the quote, green trash bags. I don't know what this is about. But if you find hacks to not ripping them, pro tip, put a Glad bag inside the green bag. I don't know what this is,

some must be some garbage regulation they have with different bag types you have to have because there's another person that's complaining about the dump coming up. So a lot of trash collection is such an issue. We've never had trash collection be such a big issue in the reviews because there's not a ton of reviews and half of them are about trash collection. It's really weird.

If you live in Old Town or near there for any stretch of time, I would strongly recommend attending Riverfest in the fall. It's just a small street festival, but it's always lots of fun. All right. I will be there. Well, small street festival but it's always lots of fun. Alright. I will be there. Well, we'll talk about it definitely in a minute here. Four stars.

It was the best place in my opinion until the trash dump reared its ugly head. Here we are. What happened? What the fuck is going on? All of a sudden this place turned into garbage old town. It's wow. The pot, oh I'm sorry, not sure if it's safe to live near it. I can smell it sometimes and it's not the greatest thing.

It's like a combination of poop and pine cleaner. That's nice. What? Like like somebody's shit in the house and someone else tried to clean it up with pine. So yeah, but why does the trash dump smell like chemicals and shit? I mean shit I get cause there's garbage and stuff, but It's generally a sour smell, isn't it? I'm sure they spray something on it to try to make it smell less horrible

Do they? Beats the fuck out of me By a plane? I don't know why else it would smell like pine cleaner I can't imagine how a bunch of rotting trash would become pine-sol in the end That's, doesn't it? Say a crop duster to dust the field with fucking fabuloso. Is that how they make pine salt?

Just rotted garbage? See, if it can make the dump not stink, it can make your fucking goofy ass house not stink. Garbage juice is that color. It's the same color. Oh god, that stuff is so bad. I do not think the water is safe either if you live near it. Well, that depends on if it's leaking into your water or not. What?

Who have concerns about that. And then three stars, Old Town is a small city. The positive side to living here is that we are outside a large city. Bangor's not a large city, by the way. That's a small city. Yeah. I mean, Maine doesn't have any large cities. No, it's kind of the point of Maine. And many residents know one another. The negative side is that drugs are huge here and it's not easy to raise my teenage daughter outside of the drug abusing community.

Yeah. Welcome to New England. Welcome to America. What are you talking about? Yeah. Florida. Mexico. Where the fuck do you go?

Where are you going to go? You know what we don't have here? Drugs, real weird. I've never heard that before. Never. Yeah, you point me to that fucking state and I'll be there tomorrow. That doesn't exist. Things to do here, and if it did it would be full of Mormons, so that would be not fun either. Yup.

Todd's even got it. Yeah, that's what I mean. Huge fucking problems. Huge issues. Things to do, Riverfest is the thing to do. It offers a wonderful opportunity to celebrate our always great ever-growing community and our historic connection to the Penobscot River. Our goal is to make Riverfest the largest yet. So they're saying that Riverfest kicks off with a home football game on Thursday, September 26th.

Look out for several other Old Town Coyote home games throughout the weekend. Okay, I see the Old Town Coyote is playing. Old Town High Coyotes, yep. That's some small town shit. We're going to kick off our festival with a high school football game. What the game? Hardcore small town stuff there.

The game of children. A game of, we're all going to cheer for the children to hurt each other. Opening ceremonies at the park begin Friday September 27th at 5 along with food vendors, live music from John Rush, not Rush, John Rush. He does Rush cover songs, that's it. Just limelight and spirit radio over and over and over again. Tom Sawyer and fireworks at 9. The annual parade starts at 10, oh boy, and then on Saturday the 28th you get food and

inflatables, a car show, demonstrations. Saturday wraps up with a free concert from Motor Booty Affair. Motor Booty Affair. That's a great name for a band. What is that? Motor Booty Affair. That's a great name for a bad. What is that? Motor booty affair, along with food trucks and a beer garden. So listen to shitty music while eating food and smelling diesel fumes. If there's something America loves, James, it's a beer garden and local music.

Evidently. That's what we found. You need the beer garden to deal with the local music. Right. Without that, people are throwing things at these people. Let's be realistic here. That beer garden is always... You gotta have that.

It's ever present everywhere. And the more you drink, the more like eating food from a truck starts to become a good idea too. The drunker you get, you're like, you know, a truck window. I could just take a sandwich out of it probably and eat it. That'd be good. I'll take my chances on the exhaust pipe or the food killing me. It's all right. So yeah, that's what you do. Grab a drink, win some door prizes, and celebrate Riverfest. Okay, there we go. Let's talk about a murder, shall we? Let's do it.

Let's do this. Let's go back in time a bit. Not too far. 2013, we're going to go back in time. Okay, yeah. So very recently here, everything is exactly the same. People are still, minus TikTok, the world is the same. Instagram and Facebook and- I was buying my second Honda Pilot. Jimmy's on his second Honda Pilot here. This is Jimmy's, we call this the Honda Pilot years of Jimmy's life. So let's talk about a young man,

and Facebook will be a big part of this by the way. Okay. Uh, guy's name is Kyle J and his last name is D U B E. So I'm calling him Kyle Doobie. Yeah. Short do. We're calling him Kyle Doobie, which sounds like a guy. It's like, what's up, bro? Kyle Doobie here, man. It's like an MTV VJ from 1992. Kyle Doobie. Yeah, when Paulie Shore left, they brought Kyle Doobie in. Kyle Doobie, guys, what's up? This is Nirvana, smells like teen spirit, bro. It's not a bad name.

Kyle Doobie. I'd go by Doobie, even if it was Doob or. I'm Doobie, yeah. What else is there? It's Doobie, right? And Doobie has a brother, so we have the doobie brothers which is and his name sounds made up it sounds like a bad name his brother's name is dustin doobie which sounds awesome dusty doobie the old dusty doobie over here dustin doobie which is that's awesome

sounds like a guy who like a porn star who smokes weed while he fucks dustin doobie. He's like railing a chick while smoking a fatty so Jesus Christ, that's the family Can't tell if he's coming or just holding in Can't tell his face he's getting red Every time he costs it's coughs. It's dangerous thrusting with that large penis. Now they did not grow, they're not from Old Town. They used to live in another town.

Now he grew up kind of when he was smaller. They lived on a property called Switzer Farm. Okay, it's in Maine also? It's in Maine also, yeah, in a different town. His father, Kyle's father, Greg Greg was the caretaker of the property Oh, yeah, and his wife Tammy worked at the bank in town and they also had Dustin So they got you know, we got Greg Tammy Kyle Dustin the doobie clan Now the former former principal of Adams school, which is where they went to elementary school

Dustin and Kyle doobie this guy's name, he's the former principal, his name is Todd Nelson. He says, I remember them both clearly. He said both Kyle and Dustin were sports nuts. They were real into sports. They both played a lot of sports. They were both very fit, very athletic, and coordinated, that sort of thing.

He said sports nuts, huh? Sports nuts, quote unquote. Sports nuts. He also said Kyle, quote unquote. Sports nuts. He also said Kyle, in particular, was a very good basketball player. Real good ball player, Kyle was. So they said that he, the other, one of the other teachers said, yeah, he was a very good basketball,

and he also worked very hard playing baseball as well. And they said that even though Kyle struck out in baseball often, he didn't give up. He kept working at it. He said that Kyle had a little bit of a temper, though he said it was nothing abnormal. Nothing, you know, he'd get a little bit mad, but he wouldn't go in and like start hitting kids at the bat or anything. He just, I got, Jesus, I got super mad in Little League when I struck out. Did he thigh snap an aluminum bat? I think he snapped it, popped

his Easton over his knee and snapped it. Or a Bo Jackson style. I once got called out on strike three on a ball that bounced off the plate and when I was so fucking enraged as I walked behind the ump I like cocked the bat like I was gonna hit him with it and I got thrown out of the game for it. I was like 11 years old maybe 10 something like that. I could have hit that guy. It fucking bounced on the plate. I was like you're throwing me out it bounced and the coach came out. Oh my god get out of here what are you doing? You're out of your mind. So he said though the coach said he didn't get any madder than any other kid I knew. So nothing like that. He said that he

probably coached a hundred kids over the years, 100 kids with some sort of temper issue, and he said Kyle didn't stand out from any others as having a temper issue. Kyle actually was on the quieter side, they said actually. He said I had absolutely no major issues with him. And so they were at the school for a while here, and not only did they participate in sports,

they also participated in the annual school musical as well. Yeah, all right. Yeah, the Doobie brothers are gonna pop into the musical. And yeah, he said everyone participates in everything in the school, and they jumped right in there. Though they said that Kyle's the kind of person, this is from a teacher at the school. Kyle's the kind of person, this is from a teacher at the school. Kyle's the kind of person who, if you're lost in the woods, you want with you.

I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know what, yeah, I guess you could trust him, which is going to be very ironic later on, by the way. So it just means that he's resourceful? I was going to say resourceful, ingenuity, has ingenuity, you know, whatever. So they also said that they had a great childhood and a lot of that came from the fact that they said they had, the teacher said that kids had a great childhood at the Switzer farm where they would roam the fields and forests. So like they knew how to like do

things in the woods and shit like that. The, uh, the teacher said they were profoundly comfortable with and knowledgeable of the natural world around them. So they work, they were into that sort of thing. Now the family ended up moving from the town of Castine to Bangor somewhere around 2005 and that was for a better job for the father, I guess here now summer of 2012, Kyle's now 19, 18, going on 19. He gets involved in a high-speed chase. So he go from, he's a nice kid and he plays Little League and they go from that to a high-speed chase

with a Maine state trooper. Wow. On a motorcycle, by the way. Really? Not the trooper Kyle. No, no idea. So Kyle's on a motorcycle on I-95 north of Banker and according to the report the chase reached speeds of up to 150 miles an hour. Well it was a crotch rocket. That's a crotch rocket. It's not a Harley. I was going to say, it's not a fucking chopper he's sitting on here. And ended, finally, he didn't give up. He only gave up finally after he crashed into another police cruiser that Kyle did in his

motorcycle. Not going 150, but he crashed into the car and then he said, okay, that's enough. I give up now after that. His old teacher said he was a little surprised to learn of his involvement in a high-speed chase. Didn't sound like Kyle. That's not the Kyle I know. So as of 2013, he is really has an interesting life here. He is he lives with his parents. He's 20 years old. He has a 17 year old girlfriend who he lives with, and he has a four year old daughter

there as well. A what? A four, I said a four year old daughter. So I think it's with the 17 or 18 year old, which is disturbing because that means that she had the baby when she was 14 or 15. He's a rapist. And he yeah, and he was 16, impregnating a 14-year-old. So that's... Well, I guess that's not rape, is it? That's just... No, technically, legally,

I think that's just kids fucking at that point. I don't think there's a legal term for it other than kids fucking. And so he, Kyle has a job, he works at the Getchel agency, and he takes care of people with disabilities. Oh. That's what he does. And his girlfriend's name is Sarah. Sarah Mercinger is her name, and they live together. But you'd think that Kyle, you know, he's building a life for himself.

He's got a job, he's got a, practically a family. He's got to take care of a child, shit. He's got to take care of a child, he lives with his parents, all this stuff. But he's distracted though, he's very distracted. This isn't enough for Kyle. Kyle is distracted and he's distracted by something he certainly shouldn't be distracted by.

What is it? This should be like the Nine Inch Nails song, something I can never have and you should never even fucking think about. He is very interested in a girl that lives nearby. Oh Nicole Christine Cable. That's Christine with a K, Cable with a C. Nicole Christine Cable, she's 15 years old. He's got a type, we find out here. Yeah she's 15, she lives nearby and he really likes her a lot. He's 20 by the way. So yeah, her family,

a little bit about Nicole, her family calls her Coco. Very white girl by the way, but Coco. She's a small girl, 5'3", 90 pounds, real thin. She's got three younger sisters. She's got an older brother who doesn't live with them anymore. She's got three younger sisters though and lives with her parents. She's very popular in school. She's a cheerleader and she's got a very good personality. Everybody says good sense of humor. She's a smart, fun, happy, go lucky, she's a kid, sophomore, sophomore in high school. She has very close relationships with her friends as a lot of sophomores in high school do and her parents said if she wasn't talking to them she's texting them and relationships with her friends as a lot of sophomores in high school do. And her

parents said if she wasn't talking to them she's texting them and you know doing since always communicating with people. She's always has her phone in her hand. She's 15. Yeah. She's a 15 year old post social media. She's always got her phone in her hand. That's the way it works. And her brother her one relative said she actually did like high school mostly hanging out with her friends saying sometimes she even cut classes to hang out with her friends. You know, a 15-year-old. And a normal 15-year-old. A 15-year-old I can relate to, you know, because that's the type of shit I did. Yeah, a 15-year-old whose social life is more important than social studies.

Yeah, because that's kind of how, you know, 15, you don't think, the future is like so far away. You don't even think about that at 15, you know. My daughter is about to turn 14. The amount of gossip this chick does. Oh, that's all they do. Holy shit. It's crazy.

So she, I guess someday wants to be a cosmetologist. That's her goal here. So she's living with her mom, Christine, her dad Jason, three younger sisters, and Kyle, she's friends with Kyle, which right away, he comes around the house to see her. Oh, no. That's a big no for me. You're not, 20 year old, how old are you?

Is my first good 20? Yeah. Well fucking jobs are that way. Leave my sophomore daughter the fuck alone. Yeah. No, you have nothing to talk about with her, nothing. Yeah, there are neighbors of mine that have kids that are my friends, but I don't go over

and hang out with them. No. I mean, I'm friendly with them. I'm not friends with them, I think. 20 is fuck you. Weird, yeah. Get the fuck off my property and go take care of your baby. You creep get out of here

Yeah, what do you have in common with a 15 year old cheerleader? 20 nothing zero nothing nothing at all. So he comes around a few times, but At first he's trying to be friendly, but it becomes pretty clear pretty quick what he's after and it's he's after her he wants to have sex with her. And it seems to be a bit of, becomes kind of, seems to be an obsession. He stops by all the time. He's always trying to come on to her

and all that kind of shit. Starts making unwanted sexual advances toward her. And she's the type too where she's like, the fuck off me, dude. What are you doing? Like she's not like, oh no, what am I gonna do? She'll tell you, fuck off. She has no problem doing it.

Nicole's a smart, feisty chick, so she's good. Now May 11th, 2013, Kyle comes over to hang out with her. And what Kyle does too is he'll bring weed over. She likes to smoke a little weed, so he'll bring weed, and that's how he gets her to hang out. Because when you're 15, anybody with weed is your friend. Well, you certainly have something in common with them. Then you have something in common,

and it seems like we're all on the same level if you're all smoking weed. It's a weird thing when you're a kid, you feel like that, even when you're smoking with adults. So, anyway, May 13th, Kyle comes over and tries to kiss her and grope her. Oh. May 11th.

Yeah, he tried to, I guess, really tried to come on to her pretty hard and she was like, hell no, motherfucker, back off and went in the house and was not interested. And she even sent a text to her boyfriend afterwards saying that she hung out with Kyle and that quote, Kyle was trying to kiss and grope me and I kept trying to push him off me and

He wouldn't stop and he ended up leaving a bite mark on me He was close enough to bite. He was like kissing her neck and shit So get the fuck off me dude like to the point where he bitter or that's crazy quote so as soon as he got off of me, I had to bring I had him bring me home and The boyfriend responded I'm gonna kill him, no one disrespects you, anything else happen. How old's her boyfriend? Same age, 15.

15. You're gonna do what? Yeah, I'm gonna kill him. So, probably not, but this is Small Town Murder Express, so anything's possible. We've had 12 year olds wipe their whole families out on this show, you never know what's gonna happen. He might have 11 of him and they can definitely do it. Yeah no shit so that had to be scary for her

too and the balls she has too she's strong of will because she said I had him take me home so they went in a car together. Yeah. She was groping he was he's groping and she's like get the fuck off me and take me me home. And you know, that's, so she's got a good head on her shoulders anyway. She relied on him for transportation and then he took advantage of her and she still managed to get the transportation out of him. He said, I'll pick you up and we'll smoke a little weed

and whatever and she said, yeah cool, drive around, smoke a little weed and then it got to be like, you're not here to smoke me out, you're here to fucking fill me up, which is different than smoking me out. So then she gets, somewhere here. She gets a friend request from a Brian Butterfield on Facebook Yeah, Brian with a why Butterfield just like Butterfield. So now this account

She knows this a Brian Butterfield's a guy from school. So Nicole Nicole knows Brian Butterfield and So she accepts the request. No problem. You know what I mean? She's a guy from school. So Nicole knows Brian Butterfield and so she accepts the request, no problem. You know what I mean? She's a guy from school. She knows him. Now Kyle, by the way, does not like Brian Butterfield because Brian Butterfield used to go out with his girlfriend, Kyle's girlfriend. So he hates Brian Butterfield, Kyle. Now Nicole and this Brian Butterfield on Facebook are talking a lot, a lot of messages going back and forth between them here. So the problem is Brian Butterfield did not send this friend request and Brian Butterfield is not messaging her, it is Kyle doing all of this as posing as Brian Butterfield. So May the 12th, okay, Butterfield, quote unquote Butterfield, the Facebook account Butterfield, asks Nicole, says hey, you know, I'll meet me at the end of your road

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she told Kyle she was going to meet Butterfield. So she agrees to meet with Butterfield. And in her last text exchange with Kyle, she's talking to Kyle about going to see Butterfield, at 9.20 p.m. she texted, is it weird to be a little scared? Because she's just going and standing out in a dark street somewhere and waiting for some dude

to come smoke her out. And Kyle replied, no, I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be worried. Yeah, I I'm fine I think you're good yeah why would you be scared you know this guy it shouldn't be no no big deal so oh my god what he did is he it is Kyle getting her there and she goes and waits out on the end of the road she's standing out. While she's standing out there waiting for this butterfield to drive up, instead someone jumps out of the bushes.

Oh no. Wearing a ski, a knit ski hat and grabbed her and started choking her when she resisted. This is Kyle, by the way. Kyle jumps out of the bushes in a ski mat, in a ski hat and tries to assault her and tries to grab her. At some point here she screams

because neighbors heard a scream around this time. So she screams. He can't have her screamin'. So he chokes her a bit and then duct tapes her. He duct tape her. He binds her up. He duct tapes her hands and feet, ductes her mouth so she can't scream and puts her in the back of his father's pickup truck Oh

And drives to a secluded area Now when he gets there and gets out he says she's dead at that point. Oh All right, that's his story here. That's duct-taping and he's got a little more story later on Oh, all right. That's his story here. It's duct tape and he's got a little more story later on So now if that was true, you'd go. Oh my god. First of all, that's terrible his first thought as well better Take all her clothes off So he takes all of her clothes off and puts her drives out to Old Town here in this in the woods and basically puts her body on the ground

and piles leaves and debris on top of it. And that was stupid. That's not good. And then as he drives away, someone's going to miss a 15 year old girl. You know what I mean? As he drives away, he throws her clothing out the window of the truck into the woods, which again, not exactly the best disposal method either, which is wild.

He later went home, told his brother that he intended to, this is his intent, which is fucking crazy. This is what he told me. Went home and told his brother what happened. Right away? He went and told old Dustin, Dustin Doobie is an ear. You know what I mean? Old Dustin Doobie lends an ear, you know what I'm saying?

He really will. So he tells his brother what happened. He goes, Oh my God, you know what I'm saying? He really will. So he tells his brother what happened. He goes, Oh my God, this girl, I killed her. His story to his brother is I was, I didn't want her to know it was me. I tried to jump out and do it so she wouldn't know it was me. I was going to put her in the truck, take her out there, dump her in a field. Then I was going to come back and save her as me so she would like me. He was gonna be the hero he said. So I was trying to be a, I'm trying to be a hero.

He thought that if somebody kidnapped her and dumped her in a field duct taped and then he showed up and went I found you and then like freed her of the duct tape she would throw her arms around him and be in love with him forever and then be like please have sex with me in this field. Put a baby inside me too. Yes. Have sex with my still duct taped body please. That was his like fantasy, apparently.

That was the inspiration for the Doobie song, China Grove, it was gonna be called Vagina Grove. Vagina Grove, yeah. Oh, so by the way, is it BTK I think that did this? Who is it? He I want to say it's one of the big serial killers. I want to say it's BTK who grabbed a woman, took her into a barn, tied her all up and then left and then came back with his hair combed different and said, I'm so sorry, my

twin brother has mental problems. He said, my twin brother has mental problems. Look we my twin brother has mental problems. Look, we're getting him help right now. We're putting him in an institution and we didn't know he did. Please don't tell anybody you'll ruin his life. He's, you know, I promise you he's getting help and all that shit. Clearly different guys. That was a bull cut. This is a Tomo for that. So he realized like, Oh shit, I can't just tie a teenage girl up in a barn and leave

her there. She'll tell somebody. So that was the story they made up. That's absurd. It's a fucking, I'm the twin brother. That's my evil twin. He was bad. So that's what Kyle's trying to pull here. Okay. So the next morning, Nicole's mother realizes that she's not there.

And she said she left before to meet a friend the night and never came back. So she calls the police immediately in the morning and says, my daughter's missing. So when a 15 year old girl in a small town goes missing, it is a big deal. And every law enforcement person in the whole area that can be spared is there and they have fucking planes

and helicopters, dogs, hundreds of civilian volunteers. I mean, this place is blanketed with people and they are not finding her right away here. Fuck. Now, police end up talking because they look at Nicole's, you know, all of her electronic interaction to see where she might have went.

So they interview a friend of Nicole's named Brian Butterfield. Go to the Butterfield first. What are you talking about? He said somebody must have set up a fake Facebook account using my name, because it's not me, and he said, they said, any ideas of who you suspect? And he goes, Kyle Dooby, yeah, that motherfucker.

He's creepy with her and he hates me, so this would all make sense. He said, yeah, he said, Dooby wanted to have sex with Nicole, but she's been rejecting his advances and I used to fuck his girlfriend so he doesn't like me either. So put a baby in my sloppy second. You know, so over the next few days while everybody's looking, Kyle offers his babysitting services to Nicole's mother. This motherfucker is cold, dude. This guy's an asshole.

Truly. He's a real asshole. I guess she said that, Nicole's mother said that she knew Kyle as a friend of her daughters who came by their house two or three times before she disappeared. She said that Kyle reached out to her with an offer to babysit her other children. She said that Kyle first told her that he heard that she, meaning Nicole's mother, had told people that she thought that Kyle was responsible for Nicole's disappearance. Oh, that he confronted her.

Yeah, he's like, why are you telling people that? My God, that's fine. Which is either insanely ballsy or insanely innocent. Those are one of the two things. Because if you were innocent, you'd be like, why are you telling people I fucking did this? I didn't do this. But also if you were guilty, you'd be like, why are you telling people I fucking did this? I didn't do this. But also, if you were guilty, you'd be like, hey, don't do that. So she denied the accusers.

She said, I didn't say that. I don't know what you're talking about. This is a small town rumor. And he said, OK, well, if you need anything, give me a call and I'd be happy to watch your other children for you. And she was like, that's OK. I've been telling people that you probably killed my daughter. Yeah. Don't tell my daughter.

You want to watch my youngest now? No. Don't think so. I don't know if you're around any of them. May 16th, 2013 is when police interview Kyle. He said that he had a relationship with Nicole as far as friendship. He exchanged text messages with her the day she disappeared. He said, but I was at work in Bangor when she went missing

and had nothing to do with me, so I have an alibi and everything. He made two recorded interviews with the Maine State Police Detectives, and he repeatedly denied having anything to do with Nicole's disappearance. He described the denials and said, I just, I didn't do it, and they said,

well, will you give us a DNA sample? He said, happy to, yeah, cheek away, there we go, swab me up, motherfucker. So May 17th, 2013, Kyle reports to jail, not for this, for his traffic fucking, for his motorcycle chase. He's gotta do 90 days in jail. And that while he was there being interviewed,

they're like, you need to serve this sentence, by the way. So, and then he came back the next day to serve a sentence. Now he reported to the county jail to serve this sentence and they said 90 days, but he's going to get out in 30 is how it worked. And he apparently while he was being booked in for that, he had an emotional outburst as they tried to calm him down, the officers. And one of the cops said, Doobie responded, it was what he had done that they didn't know he had done that he was worried about. Not this.

Yeah. They were like, you're just going to jail for a month for traffic. Shit. It's fine. And he said, no, it's not that it's what I've done that you don't know. I've done. That's what I'm worried about. Okay.

You mean what we were just interrogating you about 12 hours ago under suspicion of murder? You fucking weirdo. Well, at least disappearing a girl. No shit. So the next day, his girlfriend, Sarah, completely spills everything on him. Yeah, she tells. She goes to the police, and she said,

Kyle came home and told me what happened, what he did after his, he did the police interview and then he went home and told Sarah, I just had to be interviewed by the police and this is what I did and I'm super scared. So she told police where, she even said, I know where the body is. Why the fuck?

And they were like, well where? We'd love to find her. And so they, she said there, it's Nicole is in the woods near Gilman Falls in Old Town. It is in the woods right near the Dysartes gas station, she said. So she said, I asked him what he had done.

He told me he had killed Nicole. He told me he strangled her at the end of her road. He said he had a mask on when she strangled her. He said he put duct tape over her mouth her eyes on her hands and feet over her eyes like a fucking monster so yeah he said that and then told her where he hid the body and why would you tell your girlfriend that what is she gonna go oh cool so you're trying to fuck some other chick like what what's the advantage yeah what's the advantage if it's not Carmela Soprano for for Christ's sake.

You're not married into a mob family. This is just some high school girl. And it's not like you killed a guy over him owing your family a bunch of money. You killed a girl over... Nothing. I mean, nothing. She wouldn't... Literally nothing.

She wouldn't let you be a child molester. That's like, she's doing you a favor, bro. You're going to jail for traffic shit. You don't want to be in there longer. No, and she even told the cops, the girlfriend, that he covered her up with leaves and debris and threw the clothes out the window. So you might want to look for those

along the road in the woods. Then Dustin Dooby comes in and he tells the police what he knows as well, which is everything. So they get the exact same story from two totally separate people saying that Kyle told me this, Kyle told me that. What was Kyle thinking? Kyle is not a bright guy, let's just say. Kyle is a fucking dipshit. This is the least thought out crime I've ever heard of. In his mind, he's like, what a great plan. I'm going to kidnap her, I'll cover her eyes in duct tape so she can't see me, dump her in a field and find her And then I'll be her hero and she'll want to you know

She'll love me forever like that's crazy And then if it doesn't work, I'll tell the cops one story and tell everybody else that I know anybody the other real story My brother who's a child My fucking girlfriend who has no reason to keep this quiet now that she's I'm obviously a scumbag. So May 20th 2013 Nicole's body is found. It is found just where she said, where the girlfriend said it was, near a dirt road off Gilman Falls Avenue in Old Town at about 9.30pm. She was naked and found buried under leaves and sticks there. And the cause of death is asphyxia due to compression of the neck. Oh neck. You know

boy choking someone to death. Not duct tape. Not duct tape. No it's not just I couldn't breathe through her nose or something and suffocated. This is compression. You weren't driving and looked back and she was dead. You did it before. Yep and they also find a sock nearby and remember Kyle's voluntary DNA swab there That's gonna come back to bite him because his DNA matches the sock found in the wooded area where they were searching And the bad part is Nicole's DNA is also on the sock So that puts them both that puts them together. They're both of their DNA is on the same What do you use that sock for did he take it off of his foot and stuff it in her mouth or something?

I think it's, no, it's her sock, I think. He took it off of her foot and threw it. Oh, so he took it off and, yeah. And threw it, and his DNA is on it, and so is hers for that. That's not good. They talked to Haley Robinson, who is someone who knows both Nicole and Kyle,

and she said that she lent Nicole a pink sweatshirt that she never got back, and they ended up finding a pink sweatshirt strewn on the back. And they ended up finding a pink sweatshirt strewn on the side of the road that belonged to her. I think that's evidence now, sweetheart. So Kyle's DNA also matched a hat near, found near the end of Nicole's driveway. Because she grabbed him.

He was all scratched up when the cops talked to him. Dude, he had scratches on his fucking face. She knocked that hat off. She attacked him. She said, I'm not fucking going down like that She's 90 pounds, but she fucking ripped the hat off his head scratched his face Yeah, no, she's a fighter. This girl was not going out easy at all The funeral comes around 300 people turn out for the funeral people. She doesn't even know show up

I mean, it's you know, it's she's a nice girl. She's described as quiet but easy to talk to and She's a nice girl. She's described as quiet but easy to talk to. And one friend said, I really didn't think much about it when she didn't show up for school the next day. We just thought she'd run away. But most people who run away aren't gone long. She thought it was a regular old kid thing. I got scared after it.

She'd been missing a while. It could have been any one of us. Any one of you that Kyle wanted to fuck though. That's the thing. Another friend here said that, or another woman said, her own son and his friends now have a better understanding of why we worry about them so much and why we need to know where they are

and who they're with. Exactly. Yeah, and the one, that kid that was talking before said, I don't feel like I'm not safe now, but I don't want to hang out with the wrong people. Yeah, you also don't want to be 90 pounds and have a vagina either. Is the other thing. Yeah, that's the key.

That's the key to this. You don't want to have a vagina and not be able to defend it. Yes, and only be 90 pounds. That's hard. So it turns out Nicole was not the only girl that Kyle was contacting through phony Facebook accounts. Is that right? Oh, he had a whole thing going on.

This could have been way worse. If this guy had half a brain in his head, there could have been, this could have been way, even more tragic than it already is. So yeah, he set up using the name and information of that's Brian Butterworth Butterfield. He's just talking to other people. They said during the course of the investigation, records were obtained from Facebook indicating that the fake Brian Butterfield account was used to make contact with several young females in the Bangor area to include cable. The other girls involved provided investigators their Facebook account addresses and passwords

and yeah, so he's been, this is not good. This is, it was just the first one he could get to do this. Now here is Kyle's brother's coworker, so Dustin's coworker here. The cops talked to him and he said that Kyle, Dustin told him that Kyle confessed to him. Now, it's hearsay, can't really be used in court, but it helps the cops. It said he told, that Dustin had told him that he heard it straight from Kyle, all the details of how he killed Nicole and where he buried the body, and he knew all the details just like the girlfriend did.

Now this asshole is in jail. He hasn't been charged yet because they're still gathering evidence. Kyle's sitting in jail on the traffic charge. Now he's in an adjacent cell to another inmate and the two guys start doing Start doing the fishing thing in jail where you're you're sending notes back and forth on fishing line line Guy fishing so throw in an object from one cell to another with a string and then you pull it back So the when the other inmate was transferred to a different facility He gave the correctional officers 16 handwritten pages many double- sided that were given to him by Kyle. This became basically a handwritten unsigned confession of every detail of what the fuck

he did. He's a complete moron. He's the talkinest motherfucker I ever heard of. He told everybody, his girlfriend, his brother, the first guy he's near in jail, he just tells anybody. If you don't have a badge I'll tell you anything you want to know. Anything, yeah, anybody but the cops will tell. So he said many different things as far as that the girl, quote, needed to be killed.

Told another inmate that he choked a girl and tried to make it look like I was helping her. Huh. This, these, all these hand drawn pages here include a diagram of the area near Nicole's home showing where he was waiting for her and everything. He drew a diagram for everybody. In what context do you need to show a guy across the hall that map? I get that jail is boring, but for fuck's sake. This is not how you pass the time That's unbelievable. It even showed where the mask was that he had like everything And where cable shoes were found Nicole's shoes. He put that on there Kyle Kyle. Well Kyle here it is

Here's what it said. He said quote I made a Facebook account to prank prank with a Ck by the way the less spelling the less common spelling To prank my friend. Nicole. Uh, it said um, I had her meet me at the end of her driveway And then I jumped out and scared the shit out of her She passed out and then I freaked That's his story here. I put duct tape on her to keep her from running off. I put her in the truck and then went for a drive thinking she would wake up. After 15-20 minutes she didn't get up.

I checked her pulse and she was dead. I did CPR but it didn't work. I panicked. I was already coming to jail so I didn't want to get charged for murder so I put her body in the woods and took her clothes off and scraped her nails from my DNA. He fucking scre- he- What? He fucking went under her fingernails to get his DNA out.

Which is- Wow. That is a- he's been watching CSI and taking it all in this guy. Who the hell would know to do that? Also, man did he leave out a lot there to be I scared her and she fainted and she passed out you held her for five minutes man you got behind her like a UFC fight and you fucking choked her out that's what you did pass out what a fucking minimizing son of a bitch you know that's that's what they

do to minimize I pay she passed out I did yeah, I scraped her nails for my DNA, covered her up and then left. Threw her clothes out into the wood later down the road but cops found them. Later on on page four, he changes some of the details. He changes, this is in the form of one document, he changes the story. He said at that point, he said that he created the fake Facebook page, arranged to meet Nicole at the end of her driveway, but confessed that he choked her

in this one now, didn't just say, I yelled, I said boo, and she went, oh, and then passed out like a Victorian woman, like Jimmy in a Saturday bath. He said, I jump out wearing a ski mask. I grabbed her around the chest and stomach, so I thought, and then I realized I had her in a choke hold with my right arm over her neck area. She passed out and I freaked. Yeah, you can't choke 90 pound girls, that's why.

And you can't choke them with their chest and stomach. You know if you've got a hole of a chest or a neck. Or a fucking head? Or a head? Give me a break. Unbelievable. He also wrote that Nicole ripped off the ski mask and scratched his face with both hands. Wow. He again described taping Nicole's hands and feet with duct tape and putting her in the truck, according to this, and he wrote that she was breathing as he drove away from her home. She was breathing then, he said, so she was breathing as he drove away from her home. She was breathing then, he said.

So she was breathing and still passed out. Then she started gasping for air. I quickly got out and cut the tape and sat her up. She went still and I started doing CPR and she didn't start breathing. Yeah, and by the way, his palm print and fingerprints are all over these documents, too. So it's not like these are someone made it up like these are his things.

He at least held them. And he still keeps saying though that he didn't intend to kill her. He said, quote, The truth is, I never meant for her to die. She passed out after jumping her from behind and then died in the truck. I didn't hit her or drown her or choke her or shoot her. She just stopped breathing. I should have called 911 and got help, but I was so scared. You can't jump people, duct tape them and then call 911 and be like, I don't know what happened. She's just all freaked out. He said, that's why I'm here because I was fucking scared

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and all. I put pen to paper and just realized that I did some incriminating shit. That probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. But the other inmate kept them, obviously, and gave them to a prison investigator in July when he was moved out of that unit. He gave it to a prison investigator in July when he was moved out of that unit. He gave it to a prison investigator. The inmate said that he doesn't know what happened to the pages that he sent to Kyle.

He said, I don't know. He assumed that Kyle flushed them down the toilet like they were supposed to do. So police then go to Facebook, like we said, and they, Facebook produces records to identify the owner of the fake Butterfield account, which was traced to Kyle and his parents' home. They also provided the last four digits of the smartphone used to log into the fake fake Facebook account and that's the

last four digits of Kyle's phone number obviously. DNA found on the hat at the end of the driveway, cell phone tower records show that he was in that exact area when it was happening. There couldn't be more evidence against this guy. If you didn't think so there's more DNA. Remember how he removed the DNA from under her fingernails? Well, didn't do a very good fucking job of it. He didn't have bleach or like... Unless you soaked her fucking hands in bleach for an hour, you're not going to get her goddamn, your DNA. Just scraping isn't going to do it. So they found all sorts of his DNA under her

fingernails. The cell towers as well say that calls from Kyle's phone budge before the 930 PM used a tower not far from his workplace in Bangor. The calls and text messages to his girlfriend between 1030 and 11 used a tower that encompasses the Gilman Falls area in Old Town where her body was found. Wow. That all lines up. So he's indicted, obviously, May 29th, 2013.

So quickly, evidence, it's big. Computer forensic evidence showing he controlled the Facebook account. Circumstantial evidence that Kyle's whereabouts were unaccounted for, so you know, alibi. Cell phone tower shit, putting him data, putting him right where the body was located and at her house. Evidence of his DNA on a knit hat and a sock at the meeting location and under her fingernails. Evidence of scratches on Kyle's face that were first seen after Nicole's disappearance. And evidence of his statements to fellow inmates, handwritten shit detailing it, telling his telling his girlfriend couldn't be more obvious

couldn't be more fucked this kid I gotta say his coach remember coach over there yeah so you never had any problems with him his coach said I was shocked about this whole thing he said he was pretty he was pretty good and kind in those times he said this is really and I don't understand what's happening here. Now the arraignment he pleads not guilty. His defense lawyer does the only thing he can do, which is request a psychological evaluation. Maybe he's crazy. That's the only thing that explains how stupid he is. That's all I got. That's it. So the Nicole's mom was there by the way, dressed in a yellow t-shirt with her daughter's picture on it, which is, that's good to put some pressure on the court there.

He's returned to jail. The kids at the high school by the way, which this is funny because I guarantee you this lasted four to six days. They all said that they're going to use less social media now. Yeah, that's going to be the trend for the next 10 years, I'm sure. They said that after Kyle's arrest, they plan to reduce or completely end

their use of social media. Yeah, they said it's wild stuff. They're going to do it. One of the people from the school said hopefully they recognize that the internet isn't always a safe place. Everyone is reminding students of the dangers, both parents and teachers.

And one of the classmates of Nicole said, a couple of my friends have deleted their Facebook, and some of my friends don't have Facebook anymore. Done. Done with the social media. And that's why since 2013, no children use social media anymore. It's gone completely out of favor with the kids.

You know how it is. It really fixed it. It really fixed it good. Fixed it all up. So the trial comes up and his attorneys maintain that this is their defense by the way. Okay. Because he's found competent and sane so they can't use that. So they say someone else killed Nicole is the problem. It's not Kyle. It was another student at Old Town High School that did this to her. Or, or here's another one. You ready for this one? It was Kyle's girlfriend that did it. She was jealous and just went into a fucking rage. You know

how these chicks are. They go into fucking jealous rages and they just kill each other like crazy. The judge will not allow that though. No? No. They said that the, they're trying to say the girl disliked Nicole because she believed that Kyle and Nicole were seeing each other, but the justice, the Supreme Court, our superior court justice granted the state's motion to exclude defense attorneys from naming another possible suspect. Can't say who it is. Can't just make wild accusations with no evidence. So they said that, Kyle set forth a tenuous suggestion of motive

in his call for the alternative suspect. The defense's request does not reasonably establish any connection between the girl and the crime, meaning his girlfriend in the crime. Also no evidence that the girl was at or near Cable's home on the night of the disappearance. The judge said, this trial must be the trial of Kyle Doobie. Not that bitch.

So, defense opening here, they say that the state rushed to judge Kyle just because they had multiple pieces of DNA evidence, cell tower evidence, witnesses, and written down confessions. They took all of that and just and also he knew where the body was. They took all of that and immediately assumed he was guilty. A little load of shit. Lazy fucks. So they argue someone else committed the crimes. The lawyer said we are here to show you the state has holes in their case. They have mistakes, big mistakes. And they also said that Kyle, you know, we didn't do this because he quote, got up the next morning,

got dressed, kissed his daughter, goodbye and went to work. What a guy that shows that he's a cold blooded fucking psychopath. That's how much not positive for your client. No, if he said it would be much better to say he spent the next three days sobbing sitting in the closet Just fucking shaking and sobbing and going why why and wouldn't eat or drink or sleep Contemplating murdering his entire family. Yeah Side-step the shame of what he's done. He fucking walked away. He's whistling zippity-doo-dah. I went off to fucking work. This is ridiculous at Kyle's request the court conducted a whole wadir of witnesses before deciding whether to permit the state

to present his jail writings. All these witnesses are former coworkers, people he knows well that have seen his handwriting well, to make sure that's his handwriting. They get one coworker in there, testifies he worked with Kyle for about a month, almost two years ago. So you'd remember his handwriting from a month of work two years ago. He said he observed Kyle's handwriting five or six times during the month. So he saw his handwriting five or six times two years ago. And that co-worker said that he'd been contracted by or

contacted by law enforcement a few days earlier to look at some documents and he told law enforcement that the documents looked a lot like what I could remember of Kyle's handwriting where he would have some stuff scratched out and that his handwriting wasn't always too wasn't always too straight and that it sometimes it did look like chicken scratch. I mean way till you see mine man. That's what I mean, way till you see mine, man. That's what I mean. My handwriting is awful. It's fucking repulsive. Holy shit. My English teacher would be furious.

Yeah, yeah. I definitely got penmanship as a knockoff on a lot of shit. So they get another coworker in here that said he worked with Kyle for a period of two to three months, 18 months ago, and he said he's seen Kyle's handwriting on about five occasions and he's been contacted by law enforcement and he said he's seen Kyle's handwriting on about five occasions and he's been contacted by law enforcement and he said that he identified the handwriting as being Kyle's without a doubt in his mind. Seen it five times.

18 months ago. Now outside the courtroom during the recess, Kyle Doobie's mother and aunt reported to the court that they had overheard the coworkers that just testified discussing their testimony outside the courtroom, which A, isn't allowed, and B, what they said is really off. The mother stated that one told the other to, quote, keep with your story and had commented that, quote, none of us are handwriting experts. So what do we know? I think, yeah, who knows?

Both were called back up for further testimony during which the first co-worker acknowledged speaking with the second about his frustrations with the questioning but denied that the second co-worker told him to keep of the story. And that guy denied saying it as well. So Kyle Doobie though, they moved to strike any testimony regarding handwriting by both men and the judge says, no, fuck you. So there's that. And also they bring Kyle's dad.

He also gets brought in about the handwriting. He stated he did not recognize the handwriting on some of the pages on the first occasion, but on the second occasion that several of the pages looked similar to Kyle's handwriting. He said he's seen his son's handwriting many, many times. They bring in his girlfriend, who's kind of the star witness here.

Oh, yeah. And yeah, she said that, the first they questioned her saying, isn't it true, by the way, this is the defense in her cross, isn't it true that it was you and not Kyle who was using that phone to try to set up this Nicole girl. Isn't that right?

You were jealous. It's true, yeah. And she said, I didn't make the fake Facebook page, also said she didn't hurt Nicole. She did admit she was angry because she thought that Kyle and Nicole had a sexual relationship. Oh. Which she has a lot more confidence in her boyfriend,

I would say, because Nicole wanted no part of that. So she said that she recognized the handwriting on a number of pages as being Kyle's. She said that she's had plenty of letters that they've written back and forth and she knows his handwriting. So that's that. She also said that she was told that Kyle told her where he buried the body and that he covered her up with leaves and debris, quote, so they couldn't see her from the sky.

So he planned it. Yeah, in case they were looking with planes. Yeah. You know. So the judge rules that all four witnesses could provide testimony identifying the handwriting. They also bring in the inmate named Scott Ford that he was in jail with that said he thought Kyle was trying to hone his story for the jury by writing out different versions of what happened. He thought that's what the

guy was doing in all these letters that they went back and forth. He said because first he said this then he said that he goes I think he was trying to write out which one of these sounds better basically because he said he did change the description of what happened here. Now this Ford guy said he had spent much of his adult life incarcerated and denied receiving any shortened sentence for this. Dustin has to testify as well. And he denies telling detectives that he heard straight from Kyle that his brother killed Nicole. Denies it. Denies it. He told the jury of eight men and seven women, which is including alternates, that he

heard his brother was responsible for Nicole's death from Sarah, from the girlfriend. Kyle didn't tell him that, even though he told everyone else that Kyle just told him that, including a coworker at work. My brother told me this yesterday. Kyle's mom gets brought to the stand. Oh, that's interesting. Old Tammy Dooby here. She said that her son was a high school athlete and is the primary caregiver for his daughter,

who's now six years old. And you know, cut him some slack. He's a nice kid, basically. Okay, prosecution. In closing, says, when you consider the evidence, when you use your good old fashioned common sense and reason, your only conclusion, your only verdict can be that Kyle is guilty of kidnapping and murdering Nicole because your common sense and reason tells you that Kyle created the fake Facebook account and it was Kyle who wanted to meet

with Nicole that night. When you consider the evidence, when you use your common sense and your reason there is only one verdict that you can reach and that is that Kyle kidnapped and murdered Nicole right pretty fucking obvious the defense closing is Stretch They said Kyle had no motive to kill Nicole because the two were friends and lovers They said Kyle had no motive to kill Nicole because the two were friends and lovers. So why would he do it? They were lovers. Meanwhile, she's telling people this guy's gross and he's fucking trying to grope me.

He said that they said that Sarah is the one who hated Nicole and had access to Kyle's phone and computer. They say Kyle had no motive, very little opportunity, and there's a perfectly viable suspects who had all of those things. There was no reason, none, zero, for Kyle to kill Nicole. That's reasonable doubt. No, no, no, that is why motive isn't needed in a courtroom.

That's why motive doesn't matter, because someone's dumb fucking motivations, or whatever's going on in their crazy brain doesn't matter of the reason of why they did it. That's the point. The facts are the facts. That's what we're looking for. We're not looking for speculation or thoughts.

We need facts. Who, what, where, and how. The why is not important to cops. They don't fucking care. It's nice to tell the story, but if there is no motive, sometimes there's no motive. Yeah, if the narrative is needed, sometimes it's nice to have it there, but in fact is no motive, sometimes there's no motive. Yeah, the narrative is needed.

Sometimes it's nice to have it there, but actually they did it. This is just stupidity. So Kyle the verdict comes in here and he is found unsurprisingly guilty of murder and kidnapping because Jesus Christ, he's guilty as fuck. The reactions here, the deputy district attorney said that the swift verdict reflected the overwhelming evidence against Kyle. She said the jury showed no pause in convicting him. She said, is there a cautionary tale here?

Yes, it's a cautionary tale to everyone to be careful when you are using social media. So now Kyle's attorney has a different thing. He said not only has Nicole's family lost a daughter, the Doobie family has lost a son. Yes. Yes, no shit. Only one brother now. Only Dustin Doobie now. Yeah, he can't be the Doobie brother.

He's the Doobie brother by himself. So sentencing comes around. The prosecutor said that the lack of contrition and remorse is a significant aggravating factor in this. They seek a sentence of 90 years, 60 for murder, 30 for kidnapping. They want a consecutive too. Nicole's mother comes up and does

the victim impact statement. She says that all the three younger sisters are now scared to death that the bad man will come after them too. She described Nicole as fearless, and she was fearless too. Some guy jumped out in a ski mask and she was like, I'll scratch your face, motherfuckers.

Don't claw your fucking eyes out. She's awesome, Nicole's awesome. She said she had so many dreams, dreams of getting her driver's license, turning sweet 16, she had dreams of getting married and having one child. I like how she's like, I'm having one and that's enough. One it is. See, I like this. She would have been a really cool, cool chick here. Now next up, Kyle's mom, who's a big fat bitch, the biggest bitch in the whole

wide world, she's a big old bitch. If there ever was a bitch, she's a bitch to all the boys and girls, obviously, as we know this here. Boys and girls. She tearfully described her son as a loving father to his daughter and asked the judge to take into consideration he's still so young. He's still so young. Kyle's aunt and his friends said he was always willing to help when someone was in need, even strangers on the streets. The defense attorney asked the judge to show compassion, said there's hope for rehabilitation and maybe he could return to society.

Holy. Wow. The judge cited an utter lack of remorse in handing out the sentence and said that the calculating presence of mind immediately after killing to scrape Nichols nails, remove her clothes and hide her body in the woods afterward afterward he picked up his girlfriend and went to bed with her I think this is a chillingly remorseless response to killing another human being you sir may fuck off 60 years in jail for murder 30 years in jail for murder, 30 years in jail for kidnapping, concurrent though.

So it's 60. The court also said Kyle has to pay $12,881.95 in restitution to the victim's compensation fund and to the victim's father. Now the defense's reaction is that they, he said, the lawyer said that they hoped that they could, maybe this could, he could get out of prison when he's in his 70s no so there's that yeah Kyle's teacher and coach the guy we talked to before he said learning of any former students been charged with murder is horrible he said quote this is a nightmare this is unbelievable Nicole's parents here Christine the mom said that

law enforcement attorneys did great job here investigating the case, gathering the evidence. They found her quick, they arrested the guy. What you want if something happens? She said, I never lost my faith in them, all the evidence as a whole, it leaves no doubt. She said that people have asked her if a guilty verdict will bring her closure, but she said, no. She said, I don't feel any change. I don't feel any different.

She said, it doesn't change anything. We've been waiting for this for a long time. It's good news. The stepfather came in, but the mother said this was an unprovoked senseless killing. Nicole was a teenager. She was full of love and life and full of fun. She had her whole life ahead of her. She said, well, the punishment means Kyle will be in jail for life She said I still have questions unanswered. She said I need him to tell me and own up to what he did

Stop putting the blame on someone else take the responsibility man up I need to know what her last words were was she screaming for me was she screaming for her dad? I need to know what happened. No, that's don't want that. That is just heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking, but that's the last you'll ever get of her. So I understand the sentiment. Like, I want to know everything. I want to know the last. Dude, there was a detail of a story that still haunts me to this day. And I heard it maybe, I don't know how long ago.

It is a story about two girls burning a little girl and her body when they found it, her arm was outstretched. The girl said her body when they found it her arm was outstretched the girl said her last words were she wanted her daddy. Dude that's fucked up. Yeah that's disturbing. I don't want those memories ever. I think it's like just picking at a sore though. It's like it feels good and it hurts.

I think it's one of those things you need to know and it's almost like that'll make you hurt but that hurt is like something you need because at least then they're there, you know? And it's a weird thing, I think. There's a psychological thing to that. That last word though, you don't want to know what the last words are because they're the most desperate of the words. They're so fucked up.

So his appeal is basically that the court erred in admitting the non-expert opinion testimony of his coworkers,workers his girlfriend and his father Regarding his handwriting now number one Even without that you're still you're still guilty as fuck DNA everywhere you're going to jail dude under her nails and a sock over there a shirt over here a hat over here You're connected to every part of every crime scene appeal the part that means that you didn't do it Exactly part that means you did it because that's the stuff That's it

So they say get the fuck out of here affirmed Kyle's in prison for a long time. So no doobies in prison here There you go The only one that is Old Town, Maine And I'm just a one of the dumbest people we've ever heard of senselessly taking the life of someone who seemed like a decent kid and a nice person and someone with a future. And he was like, nope, I'm a loser and I'm going to choke some teenager. I'm going to choke a sophomore because I'm a fucking loser.

He's a pedophile guy that's, oh my God, he's the worst of the worst. He's still been doing that when he was 35, I think. That's the thing. He's the worst of the worst. he's the worst of the worst. He's still been doing that when he was 35, I think. That's the thing, this is just. The worst of the worst. He's the worst of the worst, so there you go. That is Old Town Main. If you like the show, please go on whatever app you're on and give five stars.

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