Small Town Murder - #525 - Detective Fitbit - Ellington, Connecticut
Episode Date: September 12, 2024This week, in Ellington, Connecticut, police arrive to horrible scene, with one person is tied to a chair, while the other is brutally murdered, and left in the basement. The intruder was all...egedly a "Vin Diesel" sounding man, masked, and dressed in all camouflage. There is torture, involving a blow torch & box cutter. But... did it really happen? Detectives have to piece together a lot of digital info, including a Fitbit that finally seals the murderer's fate!!Along the way, we find out that Connecticut has mostly smooth roads, that when Vin Diesel yells at you, all you can say is "huh?", and when planning a murder, you never know who will be wearing a piece of technology that can sink you!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: crimeinsports@gmail.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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After the Centennial Park bombing killed one person and wounded more than 100,
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This week in Ellington, Connecticut,
the claim is that a Vin Diesel type of man
terrorized a family home, tying people up,
stabbing and burning people with a blowtorch.
But did any of these horrors actually occur?
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We are going to the East Coast this week here. We are going to Connecticut
Yeah, oh boy, Ellington, Connecticut like the Duke like the Duke. It's in North Central Connecticut here
it's about a half hour to Hartford and
About an hour to our last Connecticut episode in Newtown, Connecticut. That one was woodshipping the wife
We all remember that one. That one's very obvious what happened there.
Everything's about an hour away in Connecticut.
Yeah.
Within, it's so small.
And Hartford's like right in the middle,
so everything's like within an hour of Hartford
pretty much in Connecticut.
It's not a big place, it's a drive-through state.
You drive through it on the way from New York to Boston,
you drive through it that way.
It's right there, it's available to everything.
It's available to everybody really.'s available to everybody, really.
Anyone can access Connecticut.
It's true.
That's probably why it's so expensive to live there,
and then the taxes are so high, because everything's
right there.
So it's a very convenient place.
Especially anywhere that's commutable to New York City.
Now you're in that range.
So it's like, oh, shit, it's commutable to Boston.
It's commutable to Boston. Yeah
That's the other thing to Rhode Island you can get to from there. So
The Tallinn County is the county the ma Tallinn to like Holland with a T
The motto here a great place to grow
Yeah, so once you're locked. Yeah, well once you're, get the fuck out is what they're telling you. No adults allowed. Good place to grow your ears is what it is. Yeah, ears
and nose. Yeah. History of this town, the Ellington's home to one of the oldest roadside
memorials in the United States. Who did they memorialize? A boy killed in a car accident.
Jesus. Or a road accident, it's pre-cars.
So a stone in the southwest corner of the town
marks the site where Samuel Knight was killed, quote,
by a cartwheel rolling over his head
in his 10th year of age.
Do they need to be so specific about it in the sign?
Couldn't they just say was killed in an accident here?
Isn't that enough?
On this spot, a boy aged 10 had a brain bleed 10.
Roly.
Brain shot out of the boy's ears in every direction, scaring the town folk and the women
especially.
A splatter of 10 hands.
His own mother didn't
recognize him very sad his heart ran over his head wow that was 1812 January
1st 1967 Ellington made national news when this is pretty fucking cool actually
there's a pilot who's having engine trouble
and couldn't find the runway because it was so foggy
that visibility was only 200 feet.
So what they did is a resident, a state trooper
that lived there named Lionel Labrache
of the Connecticut State Police,
assembled dozens of people in the town's unlit airstrip
and lined their cars down the sides
and lit all their headlights so they could see the runway
and the guy landed safely.
Between the cars.
Between the cars.
That's fucking brilliant.
I wouldn't have thought of that.
I'd be like, oh no, he's fucked.
Oh man.
Shit, that's gonna,
he's gonna crash on my house.
I'd be worried about that.
This sucks.
Let's all get to the highest point and watch man watch him go down who's got a camera anybody
Somebody go home and get a fucking camera cuz this is gonna be wild shit when he blows up
Cars that's pretty smart now flashlights from up there. You can't see no no
Dozens of headlights you can yeah, so reviews of this town here. we go. Let's find out what other people think about this town.
Here's four stars.
I've lived in Ellington basically all my life
and it's just a nice little town.
That's nice.
It has good schools and is very safe for families
and has a cute country town vibe to it
with all its farms and the little farmer's market
we have at the park during the spring and summer.
I don't have many complaints about the town other than there is really nothing to do here.
Yeah, there's Crystal Lake. Now the next line should be, but obviously I don't want to go there
because Jason will stab me in the face. You can't be. As soon as I saw Crystal Lake on the map here
and I was like, oh no, that's not good. God no. That is terrible, Jesus. Don't rename it.
Just rename the whole thing.
Yeah, I'm not, I realize Jason's not real, but the amount of sick fucks that have seen
that movie that would love to do it, fuck that.
Where are they going?
Where do you think they're going to start?
Crystal Lake, obviously.
Not me.
Probably.
Holy shit.
She says there's Crystal Lake, but for someone who lives on the opposite side of town, this
is an amazing line.
Think about this as a Phoenix resident.
I don't want to be driving 20 minutes just to find some entertainment.
Fuck you.
20 minutes?
This is how lazy we are.
I'm not driving 20 minutes.
What about the boy who got his head run over with a cartwheel?
He would love to go somewhere for 20 minutes.
He'd drive hours, I'm sure, to go do anything, Potting.
It used to take like six months to do the Oregon Trail.
This lady's like, 20 minutes?
No way.
Fuck that.
Wow.
I don't want to be driving 20 minutes.
And the only other source of entertainment in the town is what the high school is hosting,
which sometimes isn't everyone's
thing.
It should be all the time.
Let me fix that for you.
All the time isn't anybody's thing except for the kids' parents.
They don't even want to be there, really, if we're being honest.
And they're all saying, I wish my child was a bigger role in this because this took a
lot of time.
I had to sit here for an hour and a half to hear my kids say, hey look everybody it's
Enrico Palazzo.
Obviously they were doing a remake of the Naked Gun, clearly.
But overall I think Ellington is a good place.
Alright, that's nice.
Three stars.
Ellington offers a lot, but I'm here to address the elephant in town that other
reviews have left out.
Elephant in the room, yeah.
I was excited when I first read that, like, they have an elephant?
Cool.
Let's talk about it.
You just keep it in center of town or what?
Ellington smells repugnant pretty regularly because of the liquid manure that's sprayed
around the farms essentially all year round.
Liquid?
Liquid shit, yeah.
What?
I didn't know about liquid shit.
I thought it was just...
Would they find what the cow's allergic to to make them have diarrhea?
I thought it was dirt.
I thought it was like turd it up shit.
You know what I mean?
How do you make liquid shit from a cow?
I think you can just mix it and put water in it probably
or put some sort of fertilizer in it too.
Who knows what they're jacking up.
Mexican food.
Feed it some enchiladas.
Jesus, let's stay with the hacky stuff.
Feed it Arby's.
Give it. Beef and cheddar.
Give the cow horsies some sauce.
You want some horsie sauce?
Oh, I love it.
That's fucking funny.
We live near Ellington High School and between there and Main Street where the post office
is, one of those hot smelly zones where it's just unbearable on any given day throughout
the spring, summer and fall.
So there's apparently zones of bad smell that you drive hot smell hot zones
Hot zone there's a place near me. That's like that where you drive fast a hot zone
It's a it's a hot zone of like sulfur smell
I don't know what the fuck it but there's like four houses there
And I'm like how do you people live here when we're driving? We're like shut the vents off like
It's only for like 200 yards, but there's houses there.
I'm like, roll them up.
Roll them up.
We're almost there.
Lock the windows.
That smell can open a handle.
I swear to God, it knows what it's doing.
Oh man.
Are they on a sulfur?
There are a lot of sulfur wells in northern New York, not where you're at, but somebody
might have a sulfur well.
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
I don't know what the hell it is, but it's disgusting.
It's hideous.
Is it just eggs?
It's near my brother's house.
Yeah.
It's a real eggy, horrible, sewer-y fucking...
Huh.
I don't know.
Maybe it's that.
Someone's got a bad septic tank.
Maybe it's a bad septic tank.
But it's been like three years.
It always smells through there.
I don't know, man.
Maybe they're used to it.
If your neighbor let that smell just permeate for years, you'd be on an episode of the show
because you killed him.
Yeah, a murder.
Yeah, there'd be a murder happening.
I'll open a kid.
Fuck.
And even some winter days the air will be polluted with the awful repugnant smell that
will be present for the taking with every single breath you take while outside.
Not sure how others deal with it or just ignore it,
but there's many other nice towns in Connecticut
with something as simple as fresh smelling clean air.
Okay, I guess so.
Two stars, boring is the first line.
Boring, clickish, town government does nothing
besides suck you dry.
Well, that's a big, that's a big service. clickish town government does nothing besides suck you dry.
Well, that's a big, that's a, that's a big service.
I don't know what the taxes are in this town,
but that is a service that I feel like you'd be willing
to pay extra for, right?
18% and several blow jobs.
I think that's fine.
Yeah.
Good schools and blow jobs.
Take my money, please.
Please, I beg you.
I came air the other day.
They sucked me dry.
And I know it's a blowjob
because the next line is very hands off.
So definitely not a hand job.
It's all mouth.
We're talking all mouth.
Action, which is impressive.
And it doesn't reach up at all
and start jerking all the nothing.
Very work it out yourself.
Now you gotta jerk off.
Now they're telling you, I thought you just said
I was getting blown two seconds ago.
Now I gotta work it out for myself.
This person is all over the map with their shit.
Work it out yourself as we take your money to do nothing.
Okay.
It's Connecticut.
That place is very, we do everything.
Everything's so nice.
I'll say it as I said a million times,
drive on the 84 from New York, cross into Connecticut.
You don't even have to,
you can close your eyes because you'll know exactly when you hit Connecticut.
Cause you'll stop going, but the dump, the dump, the dump, the dump on the fucking
road and it's smooth all of a sudden.
Your shocks suddenly don't have to do anything.
You go down soon as you hit it,
you're like, they must pay a lot of taxes here.
Jesus, this road is smooth as fuck.
Thump, thump, thump to kk.
Yeah, like man.
You just hear wind.
This is what money buys, huh?
One star, there's literally nothing to do here.
I sit in my house all day wondering
how I can meet new people.
That's tough if you don't know anybody.
You're on the internet right now.
You're gonna meet a lot of people.
Yeah, I guess people they can actually meet with.
I don't know.
There's gotta be.
Isn't there dude dates?
I mean, there's all kinds of apps that exist now.
This next line makes me very angry
with this person saying this,
because I got it if you're like 53
and you just moved here,
but this person says, as a college age individual.
Oh dude.
Get the fuck out and do things.
What's wrong with you?
I have.
Your legs work.
Very little opportunity meeting anyone my age as the average age of an Ellington resident
is 40.
Well, the average age of an American is 38 and a half.
So that's probably why.
Sounds about right.
It's close to normal.
And it's probably a little difficult to live here. You probably got to be a little more successful to live here because it's probably why. Sounds about right. It's close to normal. And it's probably a little difficult to live here.
You've probably got to be a little more successful
to live here, because it's probably expensive.
It is.
It's a very affluent town, this is, as we'll talk about,
especially the neighborhood we're going to get into here.
Population here, 16,339.
It's gone up pretty good lately here.
More males than females, which is like 51 and 1 half percent
male, which is as high as I've ever seen it for a town here.
Median age is 39.3, just like the person said.
56% of people are married, it's normally 50-50.
So this is suburbs, family, yard, house, four bedroom house.
13% are single with children, so that's low also.
So all that is low.
Race in this town, 87.9% white, 1.6% black,
5.2% Asian. Beats me. I don't know where that came from in the middle of Connecticut but
there they are. You never know. And 3.9% Hispanic. Unemployment rate here is a little higher than
the national average but pretty close to it. Median household income here for this particular town,
$109,545 a year.
Wow.
That is a good, healthy income here.
It's normally about 69,000,
so we got about 40 grand over the average here.
Cost of living in this town, this isn't bad actually,
100 being average or par, here it is 105.
It's not extremely expensive.
The housing's a little expensive though.
Median home cost here, $348,000.
Yeah, it's Connecticut.
That shit is so expensive.
A lot of these places though, we've looked at when they have $100,000 median household
income, the average home price is $600,000 or $700,000.
So that's not too bad.
What's very expensive here is utilities and miscellaneous, whatever the fuck that is.
So I guess gas and maybe, well, maybe we've convinced you though.
You know what?
You don't care about anything else.
You've just heard that there's free blow jobs here.
Blow jobs come with your property taxes. So we have for you the Ellington, Connecticut
real estate report.
Average two bedroom rental here is a little pricey. $1,610 a month. So that's a little
over the national average. It's usually 12 and
change. Here's a three-bedroom, one bath, 1,434 square foot, shithole meth shack.
Yeah, it looks like it's not straight. It's like leaning. Oh, it looks like the
ground is shifted and the house is wet with it. Needs a craftsman with a square. Yeah there's no columns there are
though two very old and shitty tattered posts of wood that hold the house up that look like
if you knocked them down the whole house would fall down. Not great zero interior pictures of
this house so that's a bad thing. I mean the outside looks that bad. I guarantee you there's
a poop bucket somewhere in there something's bad here. 135,000 bucks for it though. You need two to fix it. Cheap. Yeah, you gotta
buy another shithouse for parts. Here's a parts house for that one. Here's a six bedroom
four bath, 6,890 foot square house sure that I want so fucking bad
I can taste it this house thousand square feet so almost 7,000 this house is fucking unbelievable. It's built in 1906
I've been I was looking at it for 20 minutes. It's built 1906
The floors are like the dark hardwoods and they're beautiful the beautiful big wood staircase at planks or skip thin planks
They're beautiful in the beautiful big wood staircase. Fat planks or thin planks?
It's dark, I can't tell.
Then there's, I'm from the pictures,
and then there's giant, huge ornate old school fireplaces.
The bedrooms have fireplace.
This place, it's got a heated fucking pool and ground.
It's just in fucking credible.
It's beautiful at carved marble.
It's amazing, this place.
799.9 for that. Less than 800. 800,000, how, any acreage? It's beautiful at carved marble. It's amazing this place
799 9 for that less than any acreage a point seven. Oh acres so not I'd move if
Absolutely, I swear to God if that's such a nice house, I want that house legitimately I
Literally, I'm like, oh no, I want the how do I get this house? It's so pretty. I love this house $800,000 That's not bad not bad for that house. It's beautiful
I'm telling you this house you could break it apart and sell the parts of it
You'll get more than that just for like the old timey shit people would buy. Oh my the ceilings
Copper ceiling in the kitchen the old timey copper seal. Forget it stamped in yes
Ornate fucking ceiling work in the living rooms. It's it's intense, dude
Here's a four-bedroom eight bath tea bowl for all your b-holes and your friends and your family
10,768 square feet
It is a ridiculous it looks like you ever see the
The comedians and cars with getting coffee where he picks up Tracy Morgan. It looks like Tracy Morgan's house
It's this ridiculous you gotta get hit by a Walmart. Yes to have this ridiculous house 11 acres. It's all oh god
It's fake. It looks like they built it to be like an Italian villa, and it's just poor shit two million eight hundred thousand dollars gross
Don't like it
I'll take the other house. I have my Walmart truck. It, good for you. I'd still take the other house over it anytime.
Maybe so. That's a deal.
It's a deal, dude. That fucking house is awesome.
Please, if anybody's looking...
I can't believe that's not over a million dollars.
I was shocked when I saw the... When you look at it, you go, what's the catch?
I don't understand it.
Are there ether fumes from the neighbors making meth?
Have the last three families that live there been butchered by a poltergeist or something
that we don't know about?
Like, what's going on with this house?
It's too perfect.
Inexplicably, every family that's ever owned it
has been gutted in this house.
Just gutted.
Never caught anybody.
Always by a supernatural entity
that they assume lives there, you know?
Winterfest, things to do here.
Winterfest, established in 2004,
Winterfest and the tree lighting
ceremonies held the first weekend in December.
It includes a series of events to promote community
and holiday spirit in the town.
20th anniversary this year.
20th anniversary, get down there.
Events typically include a tree lighting ceremony,
a holiday concert, not by anyone you've heard of,
it's children, unfortunately.
They just started this.
The torchlight parade, which sounds like it would lose
a little luster after.
I don't want to do that.
No.
Torch?
I don't have torches anywhere.
No, I don't think so.
That's usually a bad look.
And photo opportunities with Santa and Mrs. Claus,
not to mention Frosty the Snowman and Rudy will be there too. Rudolph the Red
Nosed Reindeer is going to be in the house as well.
Wow! All four!
That's pretty hot shit. You can get a picture of all four of them.
Unbelievable.
They're rarely in the same space.
I've never gotten a chance to get all four. Never.
Not once.
Awesome.
They have plenty of festive events. They have Saturday's activities begin with green, with on the green with music, a visit
from Santa and lighting all the trees.
The Winterfest is spreading joy throughout the area as well here.
The bands, they don't say what they are, they do say though they will have a musical
program that features bells and piano music and a sing-along carol session
So they're trying to basically do like the funny farm
Yeah, what Chevy chase and his wife paid everybody to do in funny farm. That's what they're trying to do
Yeah, this is real though, but they do it for real here
And then there's also the just like the title here the opioid awareness music festival
We should raise money for opioid aware that's great, but it's the title is very weird
It should be music festival to help promote awareness for opioid
opioid awareness music festival
So weird yeah Festival. Woo, rock on! First word is opulent. It's so weird. Yeah. There you go. So there's
that crime rate in this town. What we are interested in. It's got to be outrageous.
I'm blown away by that, right? No, property crime is about half the national average.
Okay, I pretty see it. Very safe. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and
of course assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime is about one quarter of the national average.
Maybe they're just worried about Florida.
I think so, yeah.
You know what I mean?
I think they're letting you know this is what's going on, don't let those people into our
town.
Here's what you look for in a person.
There are zombies 3,000 miles away everybody, let's be careful.
You see any of these signs? Watch out.
So that said, let's talk about some murder here.
Let's start out hot here.
Let's go in and I'm doing this on purpose because last Wednesday's show, the regular
show not the express show, had, there's some similarities in the beginning of the story,
but they're different also.
So I wanted to start them out the same
to show you how both similar and different they are, okay?
It'll make sense if you've heard last week's episode
and you hear this.
If you didn't hear last week's episode,
where were you last week, number one?
And number two, we worked very hard
to put out an episode for you that is very funny,
so you should be listening to it.
And also, if you're anything like me
and you've heard 500 episodes of this shit,
you have no fucking idea what James is talking about.
Yeah, you don't know.
I've heard so many, I don't remember last week.
They remember much better than us, put it that way.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah, I think, I don't know what it is,
but they remember way better than we do.
People bring stuff up.
Remember in episode 310 when you said this?
No.
No, I don't.
Did I say that?
God, I'm a genius.
The best is when we do an episode,
and then the next day people are quoting lines that I said,
or you said I said, and I'm like,
I don't remember saying that.
Who said that?
I must have said it.
That guy just quoted me.
But I'll go, wow, I'm pretty funny.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's pretty good.
Hey, Jimmy, good job. I'm funnier in print. Look at that. So December 23rd 2015 so
2015 everything is exactly the same literally sure yeah no differences in
technology or any of that shit yeah everything's exactly the same now that
morning at about 10 18 or 10 20 or 10 21
There's some dispute over that but sure a minute here there
AM that morning a 9-1-1 call goes out and the caller is a guy named Richard de Bate
D-A-B-A-T-E
Yeah, debate. Yes. He goes by Rick what he picked the
Finally someone did it correctly.
All these Richards are always Richard and then they're Rich or Richie or Dick.
Rick is way cooler of a name than any of that.
Use Rick.
It sounds cool.
So Rick DiBatte is 40 years old and he calls the police to report that his home has been
broken into, he's badly injured and
his wife's been shot and he doesn't know her condition. Rick's injured. Rick's
injured. He's badly injured. When the police arrive they find him on the
floor of the home's main level, partially bound. His one side of him,
leg and ankle and wrist, is bound with zip ties to a metal folding chair.
So he's attached to this metal folding chair.
He's got blood all on his legs and he looks to be a frantic mess.
His wife they end up finding, Connie Debate, who's 39, they find her in the far corner
of the basement and she's not moving at all.
They get closer, they realize that she has bullet wounds to her stomach and the back
of her head.
She's super dead.
Super dead because we find out she was shot with a.357 in the back of her head.
Good Lord!
Which is not needed for a head.
One is enough.
So, they, Richard, as they're on, they said, what the hell happened, man?
Help us out here is the guys
You know what's going on? So he said okay. I'll run it down quick. He said my sons went to school
I left for work between 830 and 840 then I realized five minutes into the trip
I forgot my laptop at home, and he's the IT guy for work
So he can't you gotta have that gotta have that so he said he pulled over
Sent a quick email from his phone to his boss
to let him know he'd be late.
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Turned around headed back home to get his laptop.
He said he got home about between 8 45 and 9 a.m. and he heard a noise upstairs.
Yeah.
Okay.
And he went upstairs.
First he thought maybe Connie was up there but but instead he found a man, he said, a very
bulky man, about six foot two and bulky, in camouflage and a black mask rummaging through
his wife's jewelry in the closet.
His wife had jewelry box in the closet.
Okay, the best thing is he says his voice was just like Vin Diesel
Which means he didn't understand a word the guy fucking said which that's that would be it. Where's your jewelry? Huh? I said where's your jewelry? Where do you keep it? I need to know where jewelry
It's Shaquille O'Neal mixed with Sylvester Stallone you get Vin Diesel the three most
Know what you're doing. I want to find
your wife's jewelry. You know where it is? Yeah. It's like I could really use it. You
know, I'm my, my, I heard him say Honda Civic Dodge Charger. I need more nitrous. I got
to get more nitrous from my car. You know, I heard him say ground effects. You don't have like a power bar or nothing. Like I could work out real quick. Maybe too. Like, you know. I heard him say ground effects. You don't have like a power bar or nothing,
like I could work out real quick maybe too,
like you know, anything like that maybe you could give me.
So that's what he said though.
He said the intruder made demands,
including money and credit cards with PIN numbers,
which from a Vin Diesel voice, I just crack up laughing.
I'm sorry, I feel like that's ridiculous. I don't want your credit card.
I don't want all your pin numbers.
You wouldn't know what a pin number is if it bit you in the ass, you fucking moron.
Yeah.
With your fat sausage fingers you're not hitting the buttons.
You're not hitting shit.
You're not hitting the buttons.
No.
You're hitting three at a time.
Fucking liar.
So Rick said though he handed them over, even though he said he did not see a weapon
currently, at that moment, on the intruder.
But his size and his obvious Vin Diesel, the charisma of Vin Diesel following through here,
he just handed over.
He's wearing camo, he's got weapons.
You just handed over, yeah.
When Vin Diesel in camo asks you for your cards, you just give them to him.
That's how it works here.
So he said Richard heard the garage door open at that point.
Rick said, yeah, Rick, no, no, he's still in the room with this guy.
He said he heard the garage door open so he assumed his wife had returned early from her
exercise class at the Indian Valley YMCA.
So he said he yelled for her to run, run, get out, go now, no Connie, go.
But he said rather than run out of the house, she ran to the basement, ran into the basement,
which obviously if you've ever seen a horror movie, not the place to run.
I'll be down there so you can torture me.
I'll be down there so you can like murder me and maybe you can like, you can like pen
me and I'll be like behind the boiler so it'll be extra creepy. You know what I mean?
Yeah, one of those.
I'm gonna go make this place impenetrable for children
for the rest of the time this house is existing.
Maybe you can cut my throat and the blood'll spray
on the single exposed bulb
and give it like a red tint to the room like Evil Dead.
Maybe that'll happen.
Can we do that possibly?
I'll stand next to the furnace
that Kevin McAllister's so scared of.
Yeah, that's what I feel like.
Anyway, Richard Rick says that Vin Diesel
then followed his wife down to the basement,
heard his wife go down to the basement as well,
where he could hear a struggle
and he heard a gunshot in the back
of he heard a gun he heard three gunshots go off three shots and in a house of 357 is
loud very very loud now this gun had been purchased two months earlier but never had
been fired it's Richard's gun Rick's gun so this guy came in the house and didn't bring a gun
didn't bring any weapons but the 357 was kept in the basement. You know in case you need it quick and then in
So that's Rick said he thought Connie was going to get the gun
Yeah, so save him when he said help there's someone in the house run run run
Now they said you know what the what the fuck happened at that point
You know what the hell because you were upstairs this happened. Why didn't you know, what the fuck happened at that point? You know, what the hell?
Because you were upstairs, this happened, why didn't you run out of the house?
He said, well, I couldn't run out of the house because the guy fucking came back and tied
me to a chair with zip ties and started cutting me with a box cutter and then started burning
me with a blowtorch.
It was torturing me, but then there was a struggle because he had one of his hands free,
Rick said, so a struggle ensued where one of his hands free, Rick said,
so a struggle ensued where he grabbed the blowtorch
of the guy and somehow got the blowtorch turned around
to where it shot back at the guy.
He's saying the plot of Home Alone is what happened here.
He said he shot it back at the guy
and his mask caught on fire,
and he ran out of the house with his head on fire.
A woollen mask was on fire. Poof,, which yeah any flame near it'll go poof
It'll it'll come up, but it'll usually go down after that, but instead it'll fuck you up though. Ask Joe Pesci
Oh, that's what I mean. It's a look at the top of his head. Hello fucking boils. Yeah, he knows hair never grew back, right?
That's what happens
So this his whole head and face goes up in flames
and the man, ah, runs out of the house screaming.
Okay.
And now Rick is stuck tied to this chair
and he hit the house alarm thing,
the panic alarm and called 911.
And he doesn't know anything what happened to his wife
because he's on the main floor
and his wife's in the basement.
So he just heard-
That's a morning.
Heard gunshots and didn't know what was happening.
This is two days, there's a Christmas tree up for this shit you know
what I mean? There's a goddamn Christmas tree. So festival happening down the road.
Any clues at all here hopefully they do find the gun on the premises. Okay. On
site it's a Ruger 357 revolver. It was found to have no fingerprints on it at
all. None.
Not from anybody.
Not even Connie or Richard's fingerprints.
Nobody's fingerprints.
So we're not quite sure how that works
and we'll talk if there's also some
gunpowder residue issues there too.
So who the fuck would wanna hurt these people?
Who is Vin Diesel?
Because it's one thing to rob a house and kill people
but to torture people with a blowtorch and a box cutter
sounds pretty personal, right?
And you know, everybody wants to be famous
until your famous shit is being used
to describe something heinous.
That's awful.
That's fucking terrible.
Poor Vin.
Vin Diesel's like, hold on, how did I get involved in this?
I didn't do this.
I'm busy. He gets a Google alert for his name, and he's like, hold on, how did I get involved in this? I didn't do this. I'm busy.
He's doing it.
He gets a Google alert for his name, and he's like, what?
I don't.
But I don't think I have to go to Connecticut.
I don't understand.
Wiz Khalifa just made a song for me.
What are we doing?
I don't understand.
Whoever was with him, like, Vin, you don't understand a lot of things.
It's OK.
And he's like, I don't know what happened.
I swear.
I swear it wasn't me.
You know.
I don't know. So the couple swear, I swear it wasn't me. You know, I don't know.
So the couple, let's find out who they are.
Richard DiBatte, like we said,
he graduated in 1995 from Manchester High School.
He went on to technical school
and worked as a computer network administrator.
No criminal record, no, you know.
Not even a bunch of parking tickets, nothing.
These are very clean family suburb people, you know.
His wife's name, Connie Dibate, she was born Connie Margata, M-R-A-G-O-T-T-A.
So we got, this is a full gin.
Oh my.
There's a whole clan here too, because they have big families and everything.
So I was like, all right. New England gins, these are real gins. New England gins. Oh my. There's a whole clan here too, because they have big families and everything, so I was like, all right.
New England gins, these are real gins.
New England gins, oh yeah, I felt comfortable talking, doing research with these people.
They got a shvido recipe.
Oh yeah, and it goes back decades.
Oh yeah, and they got all sorts of things.
There's this particular Sunday sauce that they make.
They got a whole routine.
Christmas Eve, big fucking deal with these people.
Tell you what, right now, the fishes and everything else.
That's my favorite dessert now.
And everywhere I go, this Italian, nobody has it.
And it drives me bananas.
Arizona.
That's Arizona.
It's so good.
Here, every Italian deli, you can get it.
You can go up to a.
I want it so bad every day.
What's the one in Poughkeepsie that's like,
it's a world famous one now, because it blew up
on social media?
Rossi's. Rossi's. Oh, no. Rossi's Italian. It's an Italian deli. It's the one in Poughkeepsie that's like, it's a world famous one now because it blew up on social media is it Rossi Rossi's Rossi's Italian it's a it's an Italian deli
it's been there forever it's in the city of Poughkeepsie and it's got really really good
sandwiches except I really wish they would not use this goddamn focaccia bread as their
bread use the regular bread they have which is much better but anyway that place has like
an Italian like a okay you know a roll, but they have amazing desserts there as well
that you would shit yourself for.
And next time we're there together,
I will take you up there.
That's all I care about anymore.
For the rest of my life, that's all I want.
There's a tiny little Italy in Poughkeepsie
that I'll take you to.
You can sample it.
Some coffee and that shit.
You can sample it from a couple different places.
We'll make you fat when you do it.
Deal, done. You can sample it from a couple different places. We'll make you fat when you do it.
Now Connie graduated from Ellington High School in 95,
so she is Ellington girl through and through.
She got an undergraduate degree from UConn,
so she went to college in 1999.
She got a job as a pharmaceutical sales rep
for Reckitt Benben kaiser which sounds like a like a Pixar movie doesn't it?
Yeah, it doesn't sound good. It's Wreck-it Ralph part 4 Wreck-it-ben kaiser
Ralph's Ralph's cousin Ben Ben. Yeah, it's a much different
Ben Kaiser one word though. So yeah, she which means number one
she's pretty smart and personable and number two it means she's fucking hot because
Have you ever seen a pharmaceutical sales rep that is
Smoking hot like like silly hot like yeah, not even hot that you would approach just like oh my goodness
That's a striking woman. They're all like, yeah
every one of I used to serve papers and I'd be in doctor's offices
serving subpoenas all the time and I'd see them in there
and I'm like, where do they get these women to do this?
This is ridiculous.
They take the girls that fail out of that
and put them in dental hygienist school.
That's weird, that's like the second tier of super hot.
There's a tiered system.
Yeah.
There's a tiered system.
But this is like-
I don't know if they'll fail out of that and do something else.
They're like dressed well, they're all 5'11 and blonde and like fucking all put together.
It's a very strange group of people they have there doing that sort of thing.
The ones that can't read a teleprompter for Fox News.
That's it.
That's all it is.
They're like, well, can you sell?
Have you heard about Oxycontin?
Yeah. What's your knowledge of the opioid crisis?
How would you like to make that go on a little longer?
So she's also the past vice president
and a member of the Ellington Ambulance Corp as well.
So she does a lot of charity shit around town also.
She's got a lot of close family. They're all very close.
She has at least one brother and one sister
that I'm positive of here.
So these two got together,
and they're both from the same area.
They're professionals.
They're both like white collar people and all that.
They hook up and everything's fine,
and they get married on the 4th of July, 2003.
That's how much of an American story they wanna be. They get married on the 4th of July, 2003. That's how much of an American story they wanna be.
They get married on the 4th of July
with John Cougar-Mellencamp blaring over the speakers.
Ellington doesn't even have a Winterfest yet.
They're like, next year's Winterfest, huh?
What do you think?
And she's like, I think we're gonna go.
We're gonna go.
What a historic wedding.
We gotta be married for Winterfest, it. I'm not going to winter fest and I'm married couple anything could happen
You know what I mean?
Somebody could steal you away from me or something you know so it works there, so they settle in Ellington, Connecticut
He's working Richard Rick is working as a computer tech and Connie is working as a pharmaceutical sales rep still,
and she's the main family breadwinner.
She makes, they make a shitload of money, those chicks.
Of course.
Any job you have to be super smart and hot for,
you make a lot of money for, basically.
Super smart, hot, well-spoken,
and be able to bullshit doctors.
That's a wild skill set to have, and very few people have all that skill set together.
On the cusp of CPAP machines in every overweight, snoring person's home, all these strip sales
for diabetes, she could be making a killing.
At home testing for everything.
Absolutely and she does very well and everybody says she's a super sweet person too.
Everybody really likes Connie, really nice person, honest person, you know, making jokes
about pharmaceutical reps but she's not like full of shit at all.
She's a nice lady and just has a good job.
She's known for her volunteer work, as a matter of fact. Terrific.
She gave her time to the Boston Children's Hospital,
where she did fundraisers.
And she was also, like I said, vice president
of the Ellington Volunteer Ambulance Corps.
So she does very, she's a very nice person.
Good person.
Yeah.
So they lived at seven birch view Drive
This is the house they bought here seven birch view Drive. It's a four-bedroom
Colonial style home. I'll show it to you. It's at the end of a long driveway big yard. It's your typical
New England lots of windows. It's the big front porch across there
Yeah, that big front porch stops and then the like master wing begins
over there on the west side.
Over there.
Look at that.
It's only 2,800 square feet.
It's not obscenely big. Really?
But it looks bigger than that.
It looks incredible.
It's in a very nice neighborhood as well.
It's a four bedroom, three bath, 2,800 square feet,
seven Birchview Drive, Ellington, Connecticut.
So now they have a couple of sons as well now,
after they get married.
In 2006, they have a son named Richard,
they call him RJ, so I assume that's Richard Jr.
And they also have a son named Connor, born in 2009.
Oh, Connie, yeah, got it.
Connie and Richard, yeah, they named him
after the two of them, so that's nice.
So in 2016, or 15, when all this happened,
they were nine and six years of age, these poor kids.
So, little guys.
Another weird thing about Richard,
as we'll find out in our next thing here coming up,
one of her friends describes Richard as quirky,
quote unquote, quirky.
One of the things that you could say is a little bit quirky
is he is obsessed with Superman.
Obsessed with Superman.
That's just weird.
Real obsessed with Superman.
He dressed up as Superman for the Manchester Road race
in 2015.
He ran a race dressed as Superman.
It's kind of funny.
And occasionally ended text messages with thinking of dressed as Superman. It's kind of funny. And occasionally ended text messages
with thinking of you from Superman.
He would literally put from Superman,
which is fucking ridiculous.
Hey, you don't need to put who it's from on a text
because we know who it's from, but from Superman, really?
Wow.
I don't even know what to say about that, man.
So.
I mean, your kids can say,
we thought of him like Superman,
but you don't have to.
And why did you think of that?
Because he texted us that.
That's not a good reason.
Yeah, he's like, see you guys later, peace out, big soup.
You don't see that very often.
Like, that's stupid.
Why are we doing this?
It's fucking super bad.
The man who happens to be super.
Super.
He can fly now.
Superman.
He can turn back time by just reversing the rotation of the earth.
It's real easy.
Ah, geez.
You don't get to be super...
You're faster.
You should have been able to stop that bullet that went through your wife's head, motherfucker.
At least be able to fucking out-muscle Vin Diesel, I would hope, if you're supposed to
be the man of steel over here.
Vin Diesel requires cars to go that fast.
Yeah, otherwise he's very slow.
You ever seen Vin Diesel run?
Never.
No.
Never.
It's not good.
Because they know you'd hear his brain clanking around in there as he ran.
Sound like a metal thing
Like don't run don't run just stand still
Look at the camera gives himself concoction. Yeah, it bounces all around
Stand still look at the camera and
From running for just from running he had to stop running at age 12
It was too much for me. He was forgetting his address.
Don't call his name if he turns his head too fast.
Then clank clank, aw man.
He forgets his name for 10 minutes.
The next thing you know he's doing movies going,
I don't wanna just drive around.
It's that, yeah.
Ha ha ha ha.
Then he go make the car go fast.
All right, all right.
I make the car go fast sometimes and it's good
Now they had some problems as every married couple there is not a married couple on earth, especially one with two kids
Yeah, that doesn't have doesn't fight about nothing. I mean, it's not good. It's not it happens though
So if you outlast them and they get out of the house, that's when the relationship starts
to get repaired and that's when you see 60 year olds being romantic together.
It's because they lost 20 fucking years to that shit.
They're like, finally.
Finally life's about us again.
It's a completely different point.
Totally different thing.
They're allowed to make noise when they fuck now.
They're happy.
Oh they can do anything.
They can fuck in the kitchen. They don't care anymore.
It's great.
They can have disgusting old sex in the kitchen
and no one cares.
It's crazy.
So what most people said the same thing about Connie,
about her friends,
is she never talked about getting divorced,
all those, it wasn't to that extent,
where she was like, I'm gonna get rid of this guy.
But she said she was stressed about the amount of money
that Richard would spend a lot.
That was her main complaint, is that he spent too much money which
again arguing about spending money is the that's what people argue about you
know it's usually the the breadwinner is the one that complains about it because
the bread was so fucking hard to make that and you that's yeah you're
spending it on garbage what are you you doing? Why do you have Superman outfits?
Superman outfits.
He does a lot of dumb shit with money as we'll find out.
He is a dumb fuck and he like doesn't, he's not honest with her also, which is another
problem.
It's one thing if you're honest, but he's not really honest.
He feels guilty about it.
Yeah.
One friend said Connie never talked about them having marital problems.
Every once in a while she would hear Connie complain that Rick's credit sucked.
So she had to do shit because Rick's credit was bad because he's bad with money.
Generally it was that he was irresponsible.
And the friend said the money issues she heard about didn't appear to be any different than
what she did with her
husband or what any of her friends had going on. It's just very normal stuff that, you know,
people can't agree a thousand percent on every little detail of their life. So there's going to
be something. Yeah. And there's a difference between coming home from work and seeing a
Superman cape laying on the couch and coming home from work and seeing a lifted fucking pickup truck in the driveway.
Seeing a new pickup truck.
Yeah.
They're digging a pool now.
Well, hold on a minute.
Whose motor home is that?
Oh, that's ours.
Oh, that's ours.
No, I got a great deal.
It was only $97,000.
It's five years old.
It's going to be great, though, because we're going to say,
in the long run, it's like a timeshare.
We're going to save money on vacations
over the course of our marriage.
No, no, but how much do we spend on hotel?
Let's think about it.
Let's do the average hotel price.
A hundred dollars a night.
Think about it when it was 20 years ago, though, it was $59 a night.
Now think about what's going to be 29 20 years from now.
It's going to be $200 a night.
This thing's going to pay for itself by the time the kids are in college.
We're good, baby. This is fine
97,000 is a meat drop in the bucket. I mean, but really think about all the money. We're gonna spend on these vacations forget it
So her friend said that Rick was always seemed quote odd and quirky
but never like violent or
seemed quote odd and quirky but never like violent or aggressive or never capable of violence she said that never crossed her mind she said quote he was
definitely an odd character I would say Rick is Rick he's kind of quirky he's
Rick he's Rick sir Rick sir fucking wild cards you never know what that's
exactly that's the perfect way to put it Rick's are wild cards yeah You never know what that's exactly. That's the perfect way to put it. Rick's are wild cards. Yeah, that's what they are. This isn't always Sonny Gang.
He's Charlie by far. For sure. He's Rick and he's out there. Rick's and Rickys are always wild. He's talking about
eating cat food and fucking... Bird law. Bird law and getting crow's eggs. He's got all
sorts of weird shit going on. All this while dressed as Superman. Very strange. So late 2014, she, Connie, makes
a note in her iPhone, the note section there, including one is, quote, titled, Why I Want
a Divorce. Oh, Connie. She didn't tell anybody about this, and this was in 2014, and she,
so I don't know if this was like
therapy basically like getting out her complaints or what I'm nice to write
yeah but she unfortunately it wasn't a poem it wasn't like you know a haiku or
anything it's just a list in grocery it's a list of shit that he does wrong
it was created I late 2014 and was apparently updated occasionally with more complaints. Once he does something
she breaks out the notes section and is like leaves toothpaste cap off. Okay, that's another
one to put on it.
Shit streaks in the toilet again.
Shit streaks in the toilet. When he pisses in the middle of the night, does it right
in the middle of the water so it's super loud rather than on the side of the bowl like a
fucking gentleman. Doesn't even aim for the porcelain.
Like a goddamn gentleman.
So, I don't even know what it is.
So, one is about a lack of trust,
everything from lack of trust
to how he doesn't deal with the children a lot.
One of them, here's some quotes from it,
quote, he takes money from a lot of accounts
that don't belong to him. Okay, well that's. We from a lot of accounts that don't belong to him
Okay, well that's we have a lot of accounts
That's what I mean. Well, how does he have access to count accounts that don't belong to him? Just cut up change your password don't tell him about those. Yeah, let me have to tell us a marriage
It's a marriage, but you don't have to let them have access to it. But you can tell them
I mean if it's her retirement stuff or I don't know
but you don't have to let them have access to it, but you can tell them.
I mean, if it's her retirement stuff, or I don't know.
Still, tell them the purpose of it, I guess.
But as in a marriage, you wanna be able to share
all that shit with your husband or wife
and not worry about them screwing it.
Yeah, like I wouldn't keep anything from Sarah
as far as stuff like that goes.
Sure.
Tell her everything.
I know a lot of very successful older people relationships
and they all kept separate money.
Yeah, I guess, that's something.
Separate accounts that aren't even accessible by the other.
And they don't even care.
I mean, that's just how people do it,
different ways or whatever.
But you have to tell people what you have.
You can't just be like, I got a half a million dollars
in an account you don't know about somewhere,
you know, a retirement fund or something.
That'd be crazy to not tell your spouse that.
Yeah, I could see that too.
Especially if there's a bunch of money sitting somewhere and the mortgage hasn't been paid,
what the fuck?
Yeah, what are we doing here?
So he takes a lot of money from a lot of accounts that don't belong to him, lets the kids watch
TV for hours and leaves disciplining them to me, meaning Connie.
He lies to people and makes them think we have a great sex life and we are a super couple.
So I don't know when that comes up, when you're like, boy, I was pounding the shit out of
my wife last night.
I was knocking the bottom out of that ass off.
It's real weird to, I don't know who he's telling about their sex life, but...
But isn't a sex life objective too? Like, it could be great to him and she just hasn't come in a while.
That's very subject, yeah, very subjective, the sex life. Yeah, he could be like, this is terrific,
she lets me dress up like Superman and fuck her through the hole in the shorts, you know?
Or he just finishes every time and she's going, not yet.
You know? Or he just finishes every time and she's going,
not yet.
Shit, well faster than the speeding bullet
every fucking time, there he goes.
Look at this guy.
There it is again.
There it is again, son of a bitch.
Also, he lies to people for that.
He doesn't share his cell phone or computer.
Which, to me, I'm a different,
I believe in privacy of that shit.
I would never look at Sarah's phone just because she would show it to me if I wanted to, just
like I'd throw it to her and go, here's my shit.
Look, I don't give a fuck.
I have nothing to hide whatsoever.
But also, like, I don't want access to her stuff.
Like you know what I mean?
I want...
I'm a firm believer in if you're looking into something,
you're looking for a reason to fight.
There's already a problem.
Right.
There's already a problem.
Let's get to the bottom of that before we get
to the bottom of my phone.
Totally.
Yes.
The bottom of that is before the bottom of my phone.
That's what it is.
That's the problem.
And she's exactly.
So she said also there's no trust, he's never happy with every anything that she does
She said quote. I'm tired for covering him of covering for him
I'm tired of lying and acting like things are great when they aren't I'm tired of him getting all of the credit and the glory
For everything I do and he doesn't correct them meaning like with the kids because she was later on like
She would take the kids to do all this shit,
and have the, and then he would be like, look at my kids,
aren't they great?
And then everybody would be like, oh,
you're such a great father.
And she's like, I've been doing this shit with these kids.
What are you talking about?
I did that.
I took them to lessons.
I took them here.
That's mine.
I did that.
This is my stuff, which is frustrating.
She also had a section listing nine things
that she liked about their marriage too.
Oh, okay.
So this isn't just all a bitch sesh.
No, she's not just complaining.
She said that he gives her foot and neck rubs and fixes things at their rental property
when they need fixed and stuff like that.
They have a rental property.
Also, he takes care of that.
And she also says that he allows her to be
quote, I myself around him. So there's good things. He just needs to stop fucking around
with money and being kind of weird. That's all it is. Other than that, she's happy.
And stop telling people we fuck great when we don't.
Yeah. Well, you could just fuck great and then yeah, that'll be true.
Live up to what your brags are. Yeah so October 2015 Richard
said that somebody vandalized his car at the home. Just did some shit damaged his car so he tells
Connie we need a gun. We need a gun. We gotta know the level of vandalization. Jesus. For that, they had to do a lot, I would think, to need a...
Yeah. Windows broken.
Buck off a.357 at somebody while they're fucking...
Messages have to be carved in the car with that key.
It can't just be a stripe down the side.
I need a gun now.
Racial slurs carved deep into the paint.
Into the metal, you know what I mean?
And then hosed over so it's rusted and you could see it.
That's what I need to shoot a guy for it.
So he buys a.357, so he's like, that oughta do.
A hand cannon for teenage vandals in the, sure.
I need a dead serious gun.
A huge, giant giant booming gun.
So one night late in November 2015, Connie texted him a photo of her in sexy lingerie.
He was in another place in the house.
She posted.
In the fucking house?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They were texting from in the house.
Sexy lingerie with an under it said, quote,'m ready for you big boy. Come find me fuck. Yeah
This is great. That's the greatest text terrific. What are you fucking? Yeah, this guy's got a great life right now
You know what I mean? This is terrific
Work and you get like nudes and stuff. That's like kind of a tease because it's a spreadsheet to do
But I'm watching fucking Dexter and you get a text come I'm in the house
Yeah, fuck this show pausing Netflix now finding a flashlight
Let's go every dark corner of this house. Let's go motherfucker. Yeah, you go. Oh, what's that your click? Yeah. Goodbye. Goodbye
shirt laying over there you
Try to find her with your balls hanging out
She's a bed and it's the last place I look I'm gonna be furious Connie sounds awesome
She sounds pretty fucking cool. Honestly, she sounds like a cool wife and you know sending picks of herself gonna come fuck me
That's fantastic
Imagine you're walking through the park one day and you see a suspicious backpack
sitting underneath a bench.
You report it to the police and upon investigating,
they discover two live pipe bombs inside.
You rush to clear the area before they explode,
saving countless lives and preventing injury.
Everyone declares you a hero for a fleeting moment
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This was the story of security guard Richard Jewell.
After the Centennial Park bombing killed one person and wounded more than 100, public pressure
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Y ad free right now by joining Wondry Plus. So December 22nd, 2015, back to where,
or this is the day before where we started.
Connie tells him, this is an argument
over text messages here.
Connie tells him that she just spent two hours
on the phone with Comcast Cable.
Two hours.
Two hours, which right away, if anyone makes me
fight with a cable company for two hours,
I'll kill them.
Yeah.
I don't want to do that.
What is that conversation?
Why?
Well, they argued about a cable bill that had doubled.
Why has my cable bill doubled this month?
And it turns out, I don't know what they were arguing about because the explanation was
very simple, that he, meaning Rick, had ordered all the sports channels to the package as well.
He ordered all the tiers, all the sports tiers,
because he likes sports, as we'll find out.
Yeah, because the football season started.
Yeah, so she's pissed off,
because he didn't tell her about this.
He just added it, now she's got a bill,
and she's like, what the fuck?
I'm the commish of the fucking league.
I have to know everything.
Do you understand?
I got trades, I didn't have the injured reserve. There's like four fantasy shows. If I don't
see them, I'm out. I'll be lost. What do I do? I don't know who's the backup running
back for Tampa Bay this week. I'm the commish. God damn it. I'm the commish. So she accused
him of lying and said, quote, once again, I have to clean up your mess basically so there was
that then this is amazing the last text of that thing because he was off that day in
the next day or he was off that day the 22nd she said quote great day off and merry fucking
Christmas she's not happy at all no this guy This guy right now. So December 23rd. Okay. Let's get back
into this. This is where we started now. Okay. He gets home. Here's a noise. Thought it might
be one of the family's cats knocking something over at first. Might be a cat. He said, I
saw a masked man, six foot two and stocky with a Vin Diesel voice, quote, looking through things
in their closet and their walk-in closet.
So now he said he goes over, they start to scuffle, I guess, tussle.
And he said he heard his wife come home and enter the house through the garage door, yelled
for her to run, like we said.
He said that the man incapacitated him
because you're wondering how does this guy if there's a potential murderer yeah
and there's your wife and you're standing between the two of them and he
doesn't have a weapon yeah how you getting by me because I'm gonna fight
pretty hard for this for you not to go murder my wife I'm probably gonna
really fight hard and well he says he was completely incapacitated by Vin Diesel because Vin Diesel used pressure
points.
Wow.
Didn't even like punch him or pull like a fucking UFC choke hold on him.
Pinky shit.
He grabbed him by the wrist and he said he just went to the ground man.
He's like Mr. Miyagi, I couldn't fucking control it.
He vulcanized me.
Done, he was spocked my ass like a bitch.
I just went right down.
Spocked up like a little bitch.
Wow.
Yup, he put pressure points on his wrist and then ran down the stairs after Connie while
Richard was obviously Rick's recovering from the horrible pressure point wrist pain up there. On his wrist. Riving in the bathroom, in the closet.
That's when he heard the man head down to the basement. He said that he chased
after him. He got up and once he you know shook off the horrible wrist injury.
Yeah. He chased after him because at first it was just I'll give you my codes to my
cards and then the wife came and then we started getting into pressure points at that point.
So he said that he was running after him.
He said he chased him and saw the man about five feet from his wife.
But he said as he approached the man to try to, you know, tackle him or yeah, and mid
stride pressure uses the pressure points against him now.
He said that the gunshot went off
and totally disoriented him at that point.
A.357 in a basement should disorient everybody.
It should certainly deafen you.
He said he just was so disoriented,
he was just like walking in the circles
and didn't know what he was doing after that.
Just completely, completely screwed up.
He said the intruder, by the way, three shots were fired.
Two shots hit Connie.
One in the back of the head from a few feet away
and one in the torso.
So not great.
At three, 357 shots, you'd remember that.
He said then that Vin Diesel approached him again.
He approaches Rick and quote,
did some sort of pressure
point thing to his wrist and neck.
Now he put his neck into it too.
Oh God.
Yeah, he spocked him.
He didn't look over and point the hand cannon at him.
Yeah, because he's got at least two rounds left.
Which is a very effective way to get people to do things.
If you pointed 357 at them, he instead decided to spock him up and Put give get him in there
Then he said he started tying him to the metal chair with zip ties zip tie into a metal chair
He said at that point for some reason he didn't zip tie all of his
Limbs to the two just the two on on one side
Which is and by the way if you are robbing a house and you plan on you know
If anybody fucks with me
I'm gonna kill him and I'm gonna take whatever they got if you had a man and a woman which one would you kill first?
Probably usually yeah, I'm not
opening a woman's head before I
Destroy this man usually they get the guy out of the way first
The threat and then they deal with the woman someone they think of a physical threat, meaning the guy.
We can say that ladies can do everything a man can do,
except for that.
We'll say-
You can't defund the home as well as a man can.
We're a little better at fighting off an intruder, usually,
just based on size and everything else.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's just how it works, usually.
So for the most part, we sleep closer to the door.
Let's be realistic here.
And if you don't- I'm the one sleeping with the door fuck's wrong with you. Yeah, get over there
Yeah, stop being a pussy get your machete and sleep next to the door like I do
Who works great I don't give a fuck what weapon it is get a baseball bat something sleep next to the door you fucking
Jesus you know, then at least give her the illusion that you might be able to defend this fucking house.
Do that for yourself, please.
You might be able to take care of her.
That might make her sleep better, even if she doesn't know it's not true.
Yeah, perhaps she doesn't sleep well because she sleeps next to the door unarmed.
That's unarmed next to the door while you sleep all comfortably over there.
With a body in between you and danger.
Well, she'll be killing her and then that should wake me on up to be able to get out of here.
So he said the man then while he is, this is a metal folding chair that he's tying him to, which.
Yeah, like a wrestling chair?
Yes, exactly. Like I'm going to hit you over the head with a wrestling chair.
He said the man then grabbed Richard's own toolbox, which he apparently knew where it
was and knew what was in it also.
Yeah.
You could see a toolbox, but you know what's in the toolbox?
No.
I don't know what's in it.
It might be a tackle box.
It might be, he might keep fucking hostess products in there.
I have no idea what's in your toolbox.
It might be his starter kit.
He's waiting on the tools.
Yeah. It might be kiddie porn. We have no idea what's in your toolbox. It might be his starter kit. He's waiting on the tools. Yeah, it might be kiddie porn.
We have no idea what's in this toolbox.
Toolboxes are expensive.
If you've got a toolbox, you might not have the tools yet.
Yeah, you might be, someday I'm gonna fill that box.
You might be saying that to yourself.
They are, they're ridiculously expensive.
Might be the most
Inflated price of any product ever on the planet. It's just a box It's so stupid that never goes anywhere, but right where you have it by the way. It's not even like a weather tested. No nothing
So he said at that point he goes to the toolbox and takes the blowtorch out of the toolbox
So he knew he had a blow torch in there apparently.
It's a big toolbox.
Or he just saw it and was like, ooh, there we go.
Or it's one of those enzymatics with just the knob
that you light.
I bet it's one of those.
Go on, sorry.
No, it may be, yeah, one of those little knobber things
like I have right back.
Yeah, I've got so many.
So yeah, there's a bunch around my house too.
I got fireplaces, so there's a lot of those to start.
So he said he began burning him with the torch. bunch around my house too. I got fireplaces so there's a lot of those to start them. So
he said he began burning him with the torch. He said he also put something around his neck
that made it hard to swallow like he was strangling him of some kind, a rope of some kind, but
there's no marks of any kind later so we don't know what it is. And a torch, he was burning
him with a torch and started quote poking him in the legs with a box cutter.
Just stabbing him in the legs of the box cutter just for fun. This is a man that is vicious
enough to shoot a woman in the head. Three shots boom boom boom. Connie according to
Richard Connie lasted like 30 seconds in the house with this guy but now the guy
really wants to go to work on Rick though he wants to sit him down and really
torture him here so he's poking him with a box cutter. He says that he used his right arm, which hadn't been tied to the
chair to direct the torch into the intruder's face, setting his mask on fire and sending
him running from the basement like a home alone villain. So that's what he said. Then
he said at the top of the stairs though, I had put a bunch of matchbox cars.
So he slipped and he fell.
It was awesome.
Couldn't get out.
So a lot of hot wheels at the top of the steps, you know, that goes.
So he said that that's what happened.
The guy ran out of the basement.
Richard said that he then half attached to this chair crawled up the stairs, still tied to the chair,
just enough to get to the panic button on the alarm.
And he hit that panic button
and then hurled himself to the stove top
to get his cell phone and call 911.
That's what he said.
So, when they show up, he's laying there,
half tied to a chair on the floor in the living room
and they get him and he's screaming
and then they go find him.
He's like, oh check my wife, my wife.
So when the police arrive, they're called
to 7 Birchview Drive here.
First of all, it was the reports of the alarm going off
because the alarm company called four minutes before he did
based on the panic.
Wow.
So they don't know if it's just an alarm that went off
or a home invasion because a guy called too, so who knows?
So one officer's the first to enter the home,
Sweeney's his name.
He found Richard lying face down on his kitchen floor.
Yeah.
Okay, I'm gonna say something here.
He's face down.
You're half tied to the chair.
Why wouldn't you be sitting in the chair?
He got up to the counter to get his phone,
but then he just laid on his face
and waited 10 minutes on your face.
Well, your wife, you don't know what's up with your wife.
You gotta access to a toolbox that has a blowtorch.
You gotta have some snips in there.
I was gonna say, or up on the counter
where your cell phone was, right below that,
there's probably a drawer with something sharp in it
you could probably cut a zip tie with.
You have a free hand.
The knife lock has a sick pair of scissors.
They're the best, so you can cut chicken bones
with those fucking things, they're great.
Fuck yes, that'll go through snips.
That'll go right through a zip tie, yeah.
So they said his wrist was tied tightly with a zip tie
to a black metal folding chair that was laying on his back.
They said that he was making groaning sounds
when they came and he was just,
uh, uh, on the ground like he was half dead.
But never asked anything about Connie.
Didn't say like, my wife downstairs,
she could be hurt, go help, or nothing like that,
which is very weird.
A state trooper, another state trooper said that,
Rick told him that, quote, I entered the house
and the next thing I knew,
there was an intruder on top of me.
Just there was a guy there.
He said that he was a larger man dressed all in camo.
He said he heard his wife come home, told her to run.
And that's when the masked man shot his beloved wife
right in front of him.
Damn it.
Horrible.
So the Richardson, Trooper Richardson,
one of the cops, is a military veteran,
and he said he could tell a weapon had been fired
as soon as he entered the house.
You smell that, yeah.
That's the thing, three shots in a house like that,
you can definitely smell the smell.
That's a lot of powder.
A lot of powder.
Especially at 357, that's a big blast.
So, and he said, he walked through the living room,
the Christmas tree was up and lit and
everything and it looked very festive.
But he said, I smelled gunpowder as soon as I went in the door.
And he said that that scene was embedded in his memory from then on.
He said, it's something that you don't forget.
They said a gun was found not far from Connie's body and she had been shot twice out of three shots.
So they said they tried to gather information from Richard, another investigator shouted
from the basement that they'd found a body because they were talking to him upstairs
while other people went downstairs.
They said, we found a body and this trooper said that Rick didn't react at all to that.
He didn't like even drop his head.
He didn't do anything.
He just was like, oh, very-of-fact with the whole thing
So he's given them the whole Vin Diesel story
So they go let's get dogs in here dogs sniff for this intruder and we can see where he went
We can see which direction he went in did he go to a reaction? Yeah car. Did he run away?
Maybe he's hiding in the woods somewhere
You know what I mean? Who knows so they use police dogs to try to pick up the scent but they don't pick up any
trail of any intruder. The first dog just kept
circling back to Richard. Oh shit. And then even when Richard is being taken in
the ambulance to the hospital, the dog tried to jump into the back of the
ambulance at Richard to alert. Did he kick at it until it shoot? He's like shut up, shut up, go.
He's like dogs just love me. I'm sorry
They just love me. It's always been like this
two additional
Jumped into it saying that this is what I'm looking for
Two additional police dogs failed to pick up any scent of any intruder leaving the property so three dogs nobody smelled shit. I'm saying I
Don't know so
So here's they're looking at the scene,
anything here they can go on, forced entry,
burnout marks from a muscle car, something,
you know what I mean?
Fucking nitrous burns, some, anything, really.
So, they said many parts of the story
didn't make sense to them, meaning,
because there's no forced entry into the home at all.
So like, how the fuck did this guy get in here
to begin with, number one, nothing was taken either.
He's in there to rob the place,
and he's going through jewelry when the man comes in,
when Richard comes home, but yet this man didn't take
any of that jewelry and stuff in his pocket
or anything like that, nothing.
Didn't even take cell phones, nothing.
Also, none of the neighbors saw anyone suspicious in the neighborhood.
This is by the way a really affluent neighborhood where if anybody who doesn't live there comes
in that's a suspicious person.
They notice.
They notice everything.
Richard claimed to have a struggle during the invasion, but the closet where the struggle
was supposed to have taken place was found to be completely neat, tidy, not a hanger out of...there isn't even a shirt hung backwards.
No one...
The man just rifled through this.
Never mind, the jewelry is all still in the closed drawers in the closet.
So this man must have, before he decided to scuffle with the man of the house and shoot
the lady of the house, he decided to be neat and close all the drawers first. I'll come back for that later. Interesting. Richard also had no bruises on him
at all. Despite claiming he wrestled around with a six foot two stock even diesel impersonator.
Right. And claiming that the intruder had used pressure points to subdue him. He's like,
that's why I don't have bruises. He used pressure point. He barely touched me. I just went down like a ton of shit. Yeah. So they said all
weapons used by the intruder during the attack are from inside the residence as well. There's
no outside weapons here. Box cutters, zip ties, handgun, blowtorch, all in the house.
So most of the time when people go to do something like this, they bring a weapon with them usually.
And also no signs of struggle on Connie's body,
which there wouldn't be because any version of it,
it's just a gunshot.
So they do find Richard's wallet.
It's in the grass behind their house.
They find his wallet, but it still had money in it.
It still had all the money in it and credit cards
and nothing was taken from the house.
So literally, if this guy, if there's a man who came in
to do this, he killed a woman and got not a thing out of it.
Nothing at all.
Not even a book of matches, he got shit.
Now here, speaking of matches, the police are like,
okay, let's find Vin Diesel here.
They do a check on all hospitals within 100 miles
to see if anybody came in for burns
because if they had their masks set on fire,
their face is gonna be burned.
And all medical clinics and hospitals,
no one showed up with burns to their head that day at all.
Or the next, so, interesting.
So they talked to Richard, they're like, listen,
you're the only one alive here, so you're going to have to help us out. And yeah, he says,
I have nothing really to tell. I mean, I'm a simple man here. I'm a simple family man.
Took my kids to the bus stop, went to work at the computer company about 830. My wife
was still home getting ready for her spinning class at the YMCA and her Fitbit indicates that she likely left for the nine-minute drive to the
facility around 846 a.m. from the house to the YMCA. Rick said that he was
driving around for five minutes when he got an alert on his cell phone that the
alarm back at home had been activated. So he said he pulled over to the side of the road, nearby Reeves Road, for about five minutes
emailing his boss and checking the alarm status before turning around to go home.
So he says he got back to the house 9 a.m., a couple minutes before 9 a.m., somewhere
in there.
So that's his story. One of the first questions they ask him is,
is there anything about your marriage
you want to tell us about?
Any issues with your marriage
that an investigation's gonna reveal
that you'd like to tell us ahead of time
so we're not like, oh, here's a big red flag,
you know what I mean?
And they said he took a deep breath,
and he said, quote, yes and no.
breath and he said quote yes and no. Even if you said that faster than a speeding bullet I would have been upset.
So yes this is a yes or no question.
It is.
No it's a yes and no question really. He said, he said, well, the thing is here, they are kind of finding out that he possibly
has been seeing another woman.
Oh.
And she's a high school friend of his from back then, with whom he apparently began having
an affair with in 2014 after she divorced her husband and got back out there on the
market.
Goddamn Facebook.
Her name is Sarah Ganzer.
I wonder how many marriages Facebook has ruined.
Just destroyed.
That's a hundred thousand.
It's got to be more than that.
It has to be more than that.
How many people are on Facebook?
It's probably around 1%, maybe 3%?
Of the world?
Of marriages.
No, of people that are on Facebook. I get what you're saying. Yeah. 1% maybe 3% of the world of marriages
I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, I guess I mean if there's 300,000 or 300 million fall users
That's a huge number right this can't be that many right we're in this country. You mean worldwide. There's like in the world There's like 2 billion worldwide. Do you think there's 300 million people that use Facebook? There's way more than that in the world.
Is there?
There's over a billion people use Facebook.
Oh, then it's probably 100 million that it's ruined.
It's ruined so many marriages.
Yeah, it's ruined.
If there's a billion using it, it's
ruined at least 100 million, right?
It's got 10% of everybody that's used it.
It's ruined their marriage.
It's probably 300 million marriages that it's ruined,
because it's gotta be 3% of, right?
It's gotta, yeah, because people from your past
are messaging you, and that's dangerous.
That's not great.
Or 3 million, I guess is the answer.
30 million?
Maybe it's 30 million.
Maybe it's 30, I think it's 30.
So this woman's name is Sarah Ganzer,
the woman he's having a thing with.
Now, he claimed, they said, what about Sarah Ganzer?
And he said, okay, this is what I was trying
to tell you guys about the yes and no.
He said, because, okay, me and Connie,
we've been trying to have another baby, all right?
That's the thing.
We want another child, but we couldn't do it.
We couldn't get pregnant.
We were trying.
I don't know if it's because she's 39,
I'm 40, and whatever the fuck, but who knows?
It's just harder to get pregnant for us now
than our first two kids.
So he said that Sarah was going to serve as a surrogate.
He's like, it's not my girlfriend.
She was gonna be the surrogate mother.
Oh boy.
And then the three of them would quote,
co-parent the child together.
Yeah, that's gonna work.
So the cops are like, get the fuck outta here. That's not, that's gonna work. So the cops are like get the fuck out of here with
That's not it's not true. Are you saying you're gonna have her turkey basted or you're gonna traditionally fuck her
It's funny that you use the word traditional because we're gonna get to this in a second. Yeah
He said that they discussed artificial insemination with the unidentified
Or at the time unidentified for the public,
but with Sarah being the one to give birth,
and then they'd all raise the baby together.
But he told detectives that instead he had quote,
done some untraditional things
and gotten the woman pregnant.
Oh, she is pregnant.
He got, he knocked her up the,
so he did the most traditional thing,
which was stick his dick in her and get in
And not pull out and get her pregnant
Untraditional he said though meaning
Banging not his wife. I guess so yeah, and that she actually is pregnant currently at this time
Oh shit, then he said Connie was totally okay with the situation though
Because this is what they she wanted from the beginning,
just because I used my dick instead of a turkey base
or whatever, but in the end.
Right, just because you used a separate womb, huh?
In the end, baby's a baby and she's fine with it.
And she was all down to co-parent this baby,
is what he told them.
Okay.
So, okay.
Later though, when they were talking to him later,
he said, okay, fine, my wife
didn't know about any of this shit, the affair or the pregnancy.
I lied.
She is pregnant though.
She is certainly pregnant, yeah.
Oh boy.
Before that though, they were like, so you knocked up your girlfriend and he said, well,
the pregnancy was, quote, in a way, Connie's idea. What is going on?
That's what he tried to say.
In a way, it was her idea.
Yeah.
But then I just decided to slip it in instead and take it.
I'm like Superman in that stray pussy is my kryptonite.
I can't help it.
You know what I mean?
It brings me to my knees.
I can't fucking help it.
Jesus Christ. That's how I'm like Superman.
He says that, he said that it was her idea, and this is stupid.
So Connie's friends and family told investigators there ain't no fucking way she would have
agreed to this arrangement.
That list tells me she would certainly be upset with this.
She's an Italian lady.
She's not happy with that arrangement at all.
Baby's not that important.
I don't think so.
Yeah.
It's sticking your dick in anything.
So and they also said she would have definitely been angry to find out her husband was cheating,
they thought.
So then later on he said, no, the pregnancy was accidental.
Fine.
We didn't want it. It was just, I knocked her up.
So he said, I knew her from high school.
And he said, quote, there was a lot of cheating going on
in the beginning on both sides.
Meaning the beginning of their relationship.
But that was also over 10 years ago.
And now you're married with two kids
and now what are you getting her back?
Like what are we talking about?
He said though, the pregnancy was unexpected.
He said, and this is a quote from him,
this situation popped up like a frickin' soap opera.
Frickin'.
Frickin'.
I don't trust any grown man who says frickin'.
Never.
Every time I hear a man in an interrogation say
frickin' or freaking or any way of that,
I go question him further, keep him talking.
Murder is the time when anybody should be like fucking shit, holy fuck. Fucking blood
and shit. It's fucking insane. This is fucking insane. That's what cursing is for. It's for
extreme situations like that. It works well. For displaying how goddamn dire this situation
is. Yes.
If you never curse, even in this situation, I've said it many times, I'm pretty sure
you're a pedophile.
That's all there is to it.
This is weird.
A normal grown man would definitely say this, it's like a fucking soap opera.
My wife's dead.
He told detectives that the mother of his unborn child was expecting him to divorce Connie.
That's what this was like sitting over his head for a while of he's telling her that yeah, I'm
going to divorce Connie and he's telling Connie everything's wonderful. I love you. So it's like,
this is so ugly. That's an untenuous situation there. So he, uh, he also said that his wife and
he were working to salvage their marriage and that his girlfriend
was not aware of those efforts.
He's like, what you guys don't understand is
I lie to everybody, see, that's how this works.
I lie to everyone, like any person I meet.
You guys, this one, that one.
You know, straight pussy, yeah, that brings me to my knees.
Honesty is really my kryptonite.
I go to a drive-thru, they're like,
you want fries with that?
And I say no, even though I do,
just because I really want french fries, really bad,
but I say no.
And then I get to the window and I go,
where are the french fries?
Yes, nobody gets it.
So dozens of neighbors they talked to also said
they were out and about in the neighborhood that morning,
heading to work, bringing children to school,
or bus stop, just normal activities.
It's a suburban neighborhood like that at that time of day.
There was just cars pulling out of drive, kids,
it's all over the place.
They all said that they did not see anyone unfamiliar
or anyone wearing all camouflage,
or for that matter, anyone with their head literally on fire.
None of those things. All of those things would
have stood out I believe. I did not see Nicolas Cage in Ghost Rider going down the road. Not at all.
Not even a little bit. So Christmas Day comes around. This is you know two days later and
they said that Richard hobbled into Connie's parents' house
for Christmas dinner, Christmas gathering or whatever,
hobbled in, oh, he's hurting
because he got stabbed in the leg with the box cutter,
and he described Connie's murder
and described his innocence,
and one of the relatives said here
that he said it in a very stoic and matter of fact way.
This is what happened, then this happened,
then that happened, like running it down like a.
Timeline.
Like a timeline, which is a lot of times
when people are lying, what they do is they do that
so they can keep it straight.
Sure.
You know what I mean, there's no emotion involved
because there's no emotion attached to it for them.
And they're not good enough actors to realize
you have to attach emotion to words
to make them believable.
That's, you know, if an actor took a script
and was like, oh, I'm so scared.
I don't want this man.
You're like, you're not buying that shit, you know?
That's what acting is.
So in the, she said it was the first time
the family had heard how Connie had died.
They didn't know, the cops didn't tell them yet.
They didn't get into all that.
So he told them she was shot in the back of her head.
And he talked to the family about what he claimed
to be a home invasion for about 25 minutes, they said.
He told the family that he left for work,
turned around, headed back to their house,
and forgot his laptop, got
home, walked the same exact story.
Thought it was a cat, wasn't a cat.
Guy going through the jewelry, quote, he had a voice like Vin Diesel, he told the family.
He demanded cash, credit cards, PIN numbers.
He handed them all over, even though his wallet is full of cash and credit cards, by the way.
Yeah.
It was in the backyard.
That's all the guy wanted was valuables.
That's it, going through in the backyard. That's all the guy wanted was valuables. That's it going through the jewelry box
He then said that he heard the garage door open figured that the the YMCA class must have been cancelled She's home early run run run the guy runs after her
You know, he said that he heard his wife go down in the basement
He said that this is what he told the family that he thought that she was going to get the gun and save him. Oh
This is what he told the family that he thought that she was going to get the gun and save him. Oh
Save me. Yeah, she's running to go get the gun and then it's gonna be like alright motherfucker now I just had to go downstairs and get this there you go. I know you're looking for valuables
I had one piece of valuable you didn't find and it's this right here and then point at 357 in his face
Stay away from my husband. Now you get away from my husband, right?
You take your fingers off of his wrists.
There you go, so does that feel better?
That's my man.
You get out of my house right now.
So.
Like the mom in Cops and Robbersons.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
That is a reference that me and you understand
and nobody else, nobody understands
a comedic Jack Palance movie
that's not city slickers, not one fucking person.
Maybe the worst Chevy Chase movie of all time.
I love when we reference shit that's only for us.
Because we've seen every one of the same movies
when it comes to all the comedies that we've seen.
Oh my god, it's crazy.
What was the one you said to me the other day?
You're like, did you ever see this?
What was it?
Oh, fuck, I don't remember now, because we talk about so
many movies every day.
You know, you texted me.
You're like, do you remember this movie?
And I just right out of the gate, fuck yeah.
Yeah, I was like, yes.
This is why we're best friends.
How do you know that?
Well, because I'm about to ask you a question
that I can't believe you know.
Fucking amazing, right? Yeah. So yeah, gonna go get the gun and save him. Yeah. The family said that they thought that was, they were surprised to hear that because she, no one had ever known
Connie to either own or ever to have touched a gun in her entire life. Okay, but she's gonna go get that one. A.357, and if you've never touched a gun or shot a gun,
a.357 should not be the first one because-
No, and when you do touch one for the first time,
you are amazed with how fucking heavy that thing is.
Holy shit.
Holy shit, that is wild.
So yeah, he said that eventually he fell down the stairs
and then made his way to the basement too and told the family that he heard a noise that was louder than any noise
He'd ever heard before and that was the gunshots. He said after the gunshots rang out
That's when he started gripping me by my pressure points led me into the kitchen kitchen by my pressure point
Now come on stop stop. Oh go Like a little kid being dragged by his ear, I picture.
Led him to the kitchen where he was wearing yellow dishwashing gloves, this man, by the
way.
Oh, he had the old grandma's.
Yeah, he had the dishwashing gloves.
That's where he started stabbing Richard in the legs with Richard's own box cutter.
That's just wrong.
Just mean.
He's really just destroying them with their own shit.
That's the insult.
Really lazy, unprepared criminal this guy is.
Truly.
Then tied him to a metal chair with zip ties.
He said that he managed to grab a hold of the blowtorch and scorch his face like we've
said before.
So now the sister hearing all this said that she saw very little emotion from him telling
the story.
This is like a story of you almost being murdered
and fighting off the killer of your wife.
And you're just like, yeah, that's what happened.
I don't know, yeah.
Like, I went to McDonald's, it was closed.
Weird, I don't know.
Like that's the...
Yeah, it's perhaps the, it should be
the scariest fucking moment that you've ever had.
Yeah, you should be like this, you should be shaking.
It's two days later.
It's not like it's five years later
and you've been to therapy. It just happened. Yeah, it's 24 like this is you should be shaking it. It's two days later. It's like it's five years later You just have a be yeah, it's 24 48 hours ago. So the sister said that and then she said that
After walking them through what happened. He called his father to ask to get his passport from the house
That at his father's house
He left his passport for some reason but he said he needed to get a new phone and money because the police had his phone
And wallet so he's like I have no phone. I have no wallet, no money,
no ID, no nothing. They took everything. So then later on, the family learned from the
police that he was having an affair during the murder. So they were like, ah, that makes
more sense. Now, one of rich Rick's friends here told the state police that he was aware
of an impending divorce that Rick had confided in him about.
Really?
Rick had gone to meet with a defense attorney in June, or a divorce attorney in June of
2015, but never retained the man.
And that's, he only talked to one attorney and then that was that and it never came up
again.
And just spoke to him about it.
Just spoke to him, no money exchanged hands.
Well, she would have known about it then.
Lawyers love to just give legal counsel for free.
Yeah, yeah.
That's their favorite.
They'll do the initial consultation,
but anything past that, they want money.
They'll be like, can I help you?
Sure I can, yeah.
Pay me money.
For this fee, then we'll talk about how I can help you.
Exactly, otherwise I can't help you.
So also I told this man that he'd been having an affair with a woman who was pregnant as
well.
Rick had told this witness that he was concerned that Connie would divorce him as well if she
found out.
So he had to keep it a secret, obviously.
Now here is Rick talking to his girlfriend.
This was Rick, this is the day before the murder happened here.
He texted pregnant Sarah here to assure her that he and his wife quote, have talked about
the divorce and are on the same page.
Which he's later on, he's gonna go, that wasn't actually a lie.
We were on the same page if we weren't gonna get divorced.
But he tells her that as that's a weird, he
didn't say that we decided we're getting divorced. But later on, he told the woman that he and
Connie were quote, getting a slow moving divorce to make it easier on the kids. There's no
such thing as a slow moving divorce, by the way.
No, no, no, slow moving divorce. Divor divorce is generally timed by the fucking judge.
You don't get to make any choices.
Well, I guess they're gonna announce
that eventually they're gonna get a divorce,
but they're still gonna live together,
do shit as a family.
Eventually, like, you know, he'll stop coming home on time,
and then like eventually he'll move into a motel.
This seems like a more drawn out,
make it harder on the kids.
It'd be easier if he just left.
Stop coming home on time. Stop coming home.
Just stop going home, you know what I mean?
He'll start going home to another place.
Just start going, eventually just not come home at all.
And then eventually there'll be paperwork,
you know, a slow moving divorce.
Just as slow moving as it gets.
Wow, the night before the murder,
Rick texted his pregnant girlfriend, Sarah,
to assure her that he was getting a divorce,
and he says, quote, and this is just gross, quote,
I'll see you tomorrow, my little love nugget.
Yeah.
Love nugget.
What is that?
It sounds like a turd to me.
Yeah, anything nugget is just a clod of poo.
Or a personal item we review on Your Stupid Opinions, the love nugget and it like vibrates
on an app on your phone, you stick it up your ass, that's what it sounds like.
It's a thing you fuck.
Yeah.
It's a thing you fuck or that fucks you, one of the two.
A friend of Connie has told the newspaper that she believes her friend loved Rick in
text messages obtained between the couple,
she said, and she's seen text messages with Connie
and her husband too, she said they loved each other.
Connie, text messages, he calls Connie sweet pea
and buttercup.
Sweet pea, that's weird,
because that's what we both call our daughters.
So that's...
And buttercup is the thing you call a kid too.
That's not...
Yeah, buttercup, is that Princess Bride maybe? What are you doing? I can think of from Princess Bride buttercup is the thing you call a kid too. That's not. Yeah, buttercup is that Princess Bride maybe?
What are you doing?
I can think of from Princess Bride buttercup, the horse.
Isn't that a horse?
It was buttercup.
Yeah.
Was it buttercup?
The horse was buttercup, wasn't it?
Or something.
Somebody was buttercup.
There was buttercup.
Princess buttercup, it was.
Was it her, yeah?
Yeah, it was her.
Okay, so that makes sense,
but sweet pea is for a child, and love nuggets even worse. I don't like that at all. It was her. Okay, so that makes sense, but sweet pea is for a child
and love nuggets even worse.
I don't like that at all.
That sounds disgusting.
And also all of the texts he's telling her,
he loves her all the time and everything like that.
Few days after the murder, about a week later,
he makes a Facebook post about it.
And he says, many questions unanswered, but we are all doing our best to move forward as
impossible as it seems. He said he's worried about his son's future and he thanked many people who
reached out. He said the volume of loving friends and family and acquaintances who we saw at the
service is a testament to how much she touched the lives of others. Our friends and neighbors
have also been showing
an amazing amount of support.
To all of you, I say thank you, and Connie thanks you.
Okay, now, they find out some stuff,
because the cops are now investigating
everything about him, because there's no evidence
of another human being being in this house.
They find out that he had taken out a credit card
without his wife's knowledge, and they go, well, maybe, you know, he for whatever he's trying to get his credit better,
maybe, you know, every had bad credit. She did say it sucks. It sucks. Well, no,
he used it to buy flowers for his girlfriend. He spent more than $1,200 at a strip club
using the credit card on a credit card, a credit card you know you're getting strip club
this man is horny he is cash advancing strip club twelve hundred dollars that's
a three thousand dollar night that's a three after fucking after interest that's
it that's some shit that'll make your wife yell at you is what that is you're
gonna get in trouble for that and stays at a nearby Motel 6, which he has
no reason to stay at considering he lives 10 minutes from it. So this is the, if my
wife finds out she's going to cut my balls off in my sleep credit card that he has.
That's a crazy night.
That's that's, that's what he's been doing with this is like, this is his like slush
money credit card.
Yeah. This is like petty cash that is costing us an arm and a leg.
Yeah.
That his wife's going to have to pay for it someday.
So then detectives learned that five days after the shooting, Richard tried to cash
in the $475,000 life insurance policy on Connie.
Yeah.
Not even the ground yet, I don't think.
But the insurance company denied his claim.
Why?
Because there's an ongoing investigation.
It's going to be a murder, right?
Yep.
So two years earlier, he had stopped making payments
on his own policy.
And in January 2016, he had withdrawn more than $90,000
from a Fidelity investment account
that belonged to his wife.
Yeah, he's got to pay that credit card for one night
of his trip. Oh, shit. It's that credit card from one night at this trip club.
Oh shit, fuck.
It's 90 grand now.
90, 1200, Jesus, I got five lap dances, 90 grand.
90 fucking grand.
So that might be the shit she's complaining about
about he takes money from accounts that don't belong to him.
Now let's find physical evidence on the gun.
We said there's no fingerprints, but it's 2015 everybody. Let's find some DNA on this bitch
What do you say? Yeah, so they swabbed the handle grip of the 357 and they found Richards DNA
Yeah, along with the DNA of an unidentified person. Oh
They find an unidentified folk DNA on there. So that's something they do a gunshot residue test on Richard's hands the morning of the shooting, and those are negative.
Now, if he did this, I assume he was wearing
yellow dish washing gloves, which is why he said that.
Because people always tell on themselves like that.
It's the, I went fishing at this exact point,
I remember, because there was garbage there, and then.
I remember, because there was a sign that said,
no landing.
Yep, same exact thing.
So, the gunshot residue on his hands are negative, but the gunshot residue on his hands I remember because there was garbage there. And then, exactly. I remember because there was a sign that said no landing. Yep, same exact thing.
So the gunshot residue on his hands are negative,
but his shirt had residue on it.
Which they said if he was in a basement while it got fired,
it's possible he would have residue on it from that.
Perhaps those fingerprints and that DNA will never know
because the person may have been raised by wolves like how we
We had by the way you have no way of knowing this audience, but we had
He had about a 20 minute conversation about walk like a man the other day literally 20 minutes
We just talked about a horrible movie with Harry Mandel acting like he was raised by wolves
20 minutes we just talked about a horrible movie with Harry Mandel acting like he was raised by wolves and like running like a dog through a mansion and we laughed our asses
off and talked about it forever.
So much fun.
That's a great movie because it's so bad.
Because it's so terrible.
It's great.
If you can watch it, watch it.
You're going to have a jaw on the floor.
What am I watching?
Well, grandma just loves Bobo.
Oh, loves him.
Bobo. She can't
eat enough of his bullshit. Oh, I love it. So then they look for digital evidence. Richard
gives consent for them to search his iPhone, because if he doesn't, it would look real
weird. It really would. So they also have find Connie's iPhone was located in her right
side waistband of her sweatpants.
Oh, she had those little lemons, yeah.
Oh yeah, she had those rocking. It was under her jacket facing the floor and it was seized
at the crime scene. So it's now 2015, it's not as easy to crack cell phones as it is
today too because if you don't have the password, it was a lot harder back then and there is nothing that compels you to give your password
really the law yes they they cops you have they can get warrants for your
phone but they cannot force you to give your password that's a comp that's
there's no judgment that can make you give your password isn't that weird hmm
they can it's it's like a constitutional issue.
Is the phone encrypted with that password?
When the password's put in, does it encrypt?
I'm not sure.
Does it de-encrypt the phone?
You know what I mean?
Are there things that you can't get without the password?
Oh, open it at all.
I mean, like, to open it at all, just to open the phone.
Okay.
And Apple also is fighting that,
and they don't want that ever disclosed.
No, yeah, your password is considered a private thing.
You don't have to tell anybody that.
So even with a warrant,
suspects aren't compelled to reveal that.
But in the case of deceased victims,
the password might not be known to anybody, they say.
So that's another problem.
So they were able to recover all the data
from both cell phones though.
And in the year prior, they found Connie's December 2014,
why I want a divorce notes written in there, interesting.
Him handling money, taking, we told you all that shit,
also saying he acts like a kid constantly
and doesn't come home on time also.
Because he's having an affair.
Oh, they also find out he's having another affair,
by the way.
He has several?
He has two women he's fucking on the side.
Not only the pregnant one, he's got another one too.
That the pregnant one didn't know about.
How do you have the time?
He has a job, two kids, a wife, and two girlfriends,
one of whom are pregnant. I have no idea how you have time.
I don't have time to put this show together
and eat food and sleep properly.
I literally don't.
I don't have the time to do that.
I just, if I could have two more hours in the day
between like 10 and noon, like if we could get
two more hours in there, I could maybe work it out.
I held a business meeting while on the road yesterday.
I remember, yeah.
I don't have time for anything.
This guy has, and yeah, and you don't have to work
fucking 40 hours a week.
Like away from your house in a building,
like drive a car there like this asshole does, yeah.
So she had also, like they said, the good stuff about him.
They talk about the cable bill, they find that out,
they were arguing over the cable bill.
At least it wasn't all porn channels, at least it was.
Yeah, no playboy and Spice, that's nice.
They're sports, that's the innocent.
Yeah, I feel awful for her too, that the police had to,
police got to see her in lingerie and all kinds of like,
whatever fucking photos she sends, that's fucked up man.
That's tough up man.
That's tough.
If anybody out there is planning on dying, fucking clear your phone out because you're
going to look through it.
Or just don't send it in the first place.
So fucked up.
That too.
But send it to someone if it makes you both horny.
Who knows?
Certainly send it.
Send it please.
Please send nudes to not to us but to other people. Wonderful piece of advice. To people nudes to, not to us, but to other people.
Wonderful piece of advice.
To people who know you, not to us.
Not to strangers.
The ones who want to fucking see that and fuck you, send it.
Yeah, send that.
So they plan to introduce evidence that he repeatedly searched, also they find when they
look through his phone, they find he repeatedly searched for information on poisons in the
months before the
killing. Poisons. Poisons. He was like, I could poison. He's like, I'm just gonna find it. So
then he was like, well, they searched, they did an examination. They revealed that in July,
in September 2015, he was looking up a lot of poison information. They said that they reference
searches including quote, deadly over the counter pill combinations.
Golly.
So what can I buy at CVS that I could kill her with?
What concocts together?
Wow, fast, untraceable homemade poisons.
Oh my god.
Untraceable, good luck.
How can I make arsenic?
Yeah, fucking insulin, there's my suggestion for you.
But you can't make that at home, so I don't know.
What's the one that dissipates really fast when you take it in pill form?
Oh, yeah, there's that too.
Is it arsenic?
No, no, they find that.
Cyanide.
Cyanide, yeah.
So they said also he searched for tasteless poison easily available.
So he's also lazy. He'd like to kill people, but he's not, he's also lazy.
He'd like to kill people, but he's also super lazy.
Like how can I just make it home?
What's easily available?
I'm not looking to fucking look, you know, go to stores, order.
I don't want to go to the dark web for this shit.
This is crazy.
Google to tell me.
So the prosecutors also referenced other searches involving antifreeze and ricin.
He looked up ricin.
What?
Did you want to clear a subway out or kill your wife?
Which one?
You're looking to cause a mass panic in an American city
or kill your wife?
You're trying to end the food court at the mall or what?
Wow.
And they said all these searches,
he read several articles on all of these topics after
the searches for it.
It also included a text to his girlfriend two days prior saying that he was going to
talk about getting a divorce and all that was going on here.
Also the several alarm notification text messages during the morning hours indicating the arming
and disarming of the home alarm system.
So they have all of that.
They checked the camera at the YMCA.
The date and time and the surveillance camera
are found to be accurate, and the cameras
from the parking lot showed Connie arriving
at about 8.53 a.m., and she soon found out
her class was canceled, and so she's seen
on the cameras leaving at approximately 9.08 a.m.
So when she came home, I think she came home earlier
than he expected, by the way.
I think that happened as well.
Then they find his tablet, his Microsoft Surface Pro tablet
is examined, and oh, look at that,
nice little piece of technology.
He watches commercials in between plays in the NFL.
Yeah, he does for sure.
So including, this has found his web history, including visits to websites during the time
he alleged he was driving to work that morning.
Oh no.
So how are you doing that?
At 8.26 and again at 8.27 there were visits to Facebook.com on there, like the web page,
not an app. At 8.37 a.m. there was a Google search
for long lasting tattoo ideas.
What?
What the fuck are you doing, exactly?
What are you, rice and tattoos?
He really wanted long lasting tattoo ideas.
Like should I murder my wife or get a tattoo?
What should I do?
What are some tattoos that are evergreen?
Which ones haven't had trends that are stupid?
Is there one that just says single man on it?
Because that's the one I want.
At 8.41 a.m., a log into his Outlook email account was made from the tablet using the
IP address from within the home.
So he was home.
This is when he said he was on the road.
Uh oh.
Remember he said he pulled over?
Yeah.
He didn't.
So at 9.04 a.m. he sent an email to his boss
indicating he'd be late for work.
It was sent from his laptop at home,
not from the side of Reeves Road as he had claimed.
While he said he didn't have his laptop.
Yes, exactly.
He was home with his laptop.
They said that was at 9.04.
Richard, Rick said he sent the email
while he was in his car, so I don't know what you're talking about. Richard, Rick said he sent the email while he was in
his car. So I don't know what you're talking about. It's about two miles from the home.
The typical reach for a home internet router is about 300 feet outdoors. So guys got sick
Wi-Fi. He's got the best coverage ever. You know, those extenders, he's got them everywhere,
like in his whole neighborhood down the street on Main Main Street. He's got a fucking tower.
He has his own.
So 9 18 a.m. he visited the website of the Indian Valley
YMCA to view the group's exercise schedule.
And by the way his wife will be home any second
because she left at 9 08 p.m.
And it's a nine minute drive so usually.
Two minutes after that he searched for the ESPN website
for the Mike and Mike show.
I give up, man.
This guy is all fucking over the place.
He's searching for poisons.
He's like, what about fucking YMCA?
What about Mike and Mike here?
I feel like getting a tattoo.
Talking about terrific Tom today. What the fuck are we
talking about? So he is all over the place as far. He's got a lot of distractions. You need to focus
if you're gonna do shit like this. He's a pinball. He is and that was the last time he used the
computer that morning. At 9 18 a.m. Connie called someone from her cell phone after surveillance cameras indicated
She had left the YMCA that call lasted three minutes and 23 seconds at 923 a.m.
Connie's Fitbit which was idle for nine minutes. That's the drive home. That's why I was idle
Became active again at the same time alarm records show the garage door opening at the home
Okay, so we know when she got home.
They believe that's when she arrived, obviously.
What she did is she sent, when she got home,
she sent a message from her phone via Facebook
to her psychotherapist,
requesting an appointment to be hypnotized.
Oh.
Which is weird.
Quote, because there's a lot going on right now.
That's what she said.
I'd like to be hypnotized because I got a lot going on.
Is that possible?
I don't know the answers.
Maybe they're buried in there.
Let's hypnotize me and find out.
She's swinging for everything.
She's trying so hard.
She's trying.
She wants to save the marriage and be happy.
She really does.
I mean, this is her if she had two kids and she's got a house.
This is her life.
She's trying. And she's going through therapy. That's amazing. Yeah, she's doing that
too. From 9 40 to 9 46, Connie posted two videos on Facebook using her iPhone, then posted a message
to a friend through Facebook. So send a Facebook message to a friend. Um, and that was while she's
at home, IP address assigned to the house, and we know she's home.
Now, her Fitbit indicated she likely left
for the YMCA class around 8.46 a.m.,
a period of inactivity for nine minutes,
consistent with her driving there,
then activity consistent with her actions while at the YMCA,
next period of inactivity beginning at 9.08,
the time she's recorded leaving,
the next recorded movement on her Fitbit is 9.23,
same time the alarm went off,
just to give everybody a rundown.
Fitbit shows that her last movements inside the home
were at 10.05 a.m.
And then it went idle.
This is an hour after Richard told detectives
she'd been killed by the murder.
Uh-oh.
He said it was right after nine,
and that he didn't call 911 until 10-05.
10-20, because he was tied to a chair
and being tortured and blow torched and shit.
So Rich Dick's story, or Rick's story,
we can call him Dick by now,
Rick's story was that Connie came into the house,
ran directly into the basement and all that kind of thing.
Now, during the time that this happened though,
the Fitbit recorded her, it's important,
because he just says she walked in,
heard him, ran right to the basement.
So there should be a certain number of steps
that coordinate with that, yeah, correlate with that shit.
Instead, it shows her walking a distance of 1,217 feet.
My Christ, that's like a fucking fourth of a mile.
It's an hour walking around, is what it is. That's an hour walking around.
This was much further than it was basically they did the the math on everything else. It'd be about
125 feet for Richard Starry to be true. For her to walk in here and go down to the basement. About 125 feet.
So it's 10 times as much she walks.
Which is very very very, very, very interesting.
So the records show her last movements at 10.05, like we said.
So they're like, holy shit, this is a big deal.
The times are all fucked up, we're going to use this.
And the Lancaster, Pennsylvania district attorney who had heard about this case said, to say
it's rare to use a Fitbit
record would be a safe call. Like to say that that's rare. Yeah. This is the first
time they're ever gonna try to use Fitbit information in a murder case.
In 2015 they're only a couple years old. Totally only a couple years old and
apparently this guy said that this other one was they tried to use Fitbit
records to prove that a woman had fabricated a story about a stranger
breaking into her home and sexually assaulting her. I guess they were saying
that the guy had a Fitbit and they knew he knew where he was and whatever. So the
guy said it's an electronic footprint that tracks your movements it's a great
tool for investigators to use we can also get the information much faster than other types of evidence such as DNA tests.
They can just look at it.
Which is, if you have a Fitbit,
you're basically saying, please track everything.
Everything I do.
Here's my cell phone.
You can track exactly where I am.
You'll know how much I'm walking around while I'm there
because I have this on.
It's just, please, I'd like to be tracked.
It's fucking crazy.
Does everybody know what a Fitbit is?
Is that a comment that everybody knows?
I don't know. That's why I read the description.
It's just a thing that you clip on to your...
Oh, it's a wristband. It's like a little watch.
This was a clip.
Oh, she had the hip one.
The clip-on one, it was on her pants.
Yeah, so it clips on to your wherever the fuck you want.
Now they have them in watch form too,
and it tells you how many feet you walked, that's all.
How many miles, it's a, you know, whatever.
It's a pedometer, but sometimes it...
Yeah, then the watch ended up doing the heart rate and all that shit, too
Yeah, yeah gave you so much more information more shit like that that you can fucking be a hypochondriac and panic about perfect
Great now my heart now my heart's dead. The last thing I need is to be constantly looking at my heart rate
I'll be fucking I'll give myself a heart attack
I'll give myself a heart attack. I'll give myself a heart attack.
I'll lose my fucking mind. Well, why is it averaging this many beats today? Yesterday
it was this many beats. What did I do different? What's that?
You got to let go, man.
Oh dude. Everything I eat, I'd be like, what does this make my heart rate do? And this
is up or down. Oh God, I got to stop eating that. That's making my heart rate. I don't
need that kind of stress. That's why I don't have one do. And this is up or down. Oh God, I gotta stop eating that. That's making my heart rate. I don't need that kind of stress.
That's why I don't have one of those fucking things.
I just go.
I bought the cheapest Apple watch
so that I can monitor my heart,
because I'm paranoid.
I said, I'm not mature enough for that.
I know it.
I back off.
I got mine for the same reason, though.
You're not getting one for the same reason I got one.
Exactly.
Because I'm paranoid. Every time I feel a fucking creak. I'm like great now my heart's gonna explode. What's my heart rate?
I need my watch to tell me
I don't want to know it's coming just explode and let me move on
So the the panic alarm system that went off was at 10-11, was when the panic alarm was set.
That was activated from his keychain fob.
Oh.
The only time the panic alarm went off that morning,
although he said he'd gotten one earlier that morning
while driving to work, which wasn't true.
It was activated but didn't go off.
10-16 is when the barracks received a 911 call from the
alarm company. He called 911 at 1020. Now, data recovered from the home alarm system
indicated it was armed and disarmed several times that morning. They said that they talk
about the various functions and things, saying two keychain fobs had a maximum range of 500 feet,
which would be shortened if any objects were in the way, obviously.
Cell interference also, things like that.
They said that it was Richard's key that set it off.
Key fob six it was, they know which one it was.
It was recovered in the same key ring as Nissan's vehicle key fob. So he had all his keys together.
It also contained motion sensors
detected to detect body heat,
or yeah, designed to detect body heat.
The alarm company's records show movement around the house
that's consistent with Richard's accounts of events.
The alarm system was armed as stay,
indicating people can be in the house
and not trigger the alarm at 847. When Connie was at
the gym and Richard claimed to be on his way to work, the alarm was armed as stay from the
keychain fob on his keychain, which would have required someone to be at the house, which we know
he's at the house. At that same time, Richard also logged into the website of the alarm system from
his phone to attempt to disarm the alarm, which was unsuccessful.
At 8.50, Richard was unsuccessful in disarming the system from the website using his phone.
Then at 8.50, less than a minute later, he armed the system from the website.
At 8.59, the system was disarmed from his keychain fob.
So he's like figuring out how to get it on and off.
So this all took place during the time that Richard said
that he wasn't home, by the way.
This was all when he was on the road,
but all this shit has to be done from inside the house,
and it's all his IP address and all that kind of shit.
In addition, the first door to open and close
after the system was disarmed wasn't an outside entrance,
as you would imagine, it was the basement door
opening and closing, indicated whoever
opened and closed the door had to already have been in the house. So at 923, the opening of the
garage door coincided with data recovered from the Fitbit activity at the same time, so we know that.
Also, they said that Richard canceled his subscription with the alarm company 12 days
after the murder.
Really? 12 days, despite claiming that the home was broken into
resulted in a murder.
Happened, yeah.
Now I don't need one at all.
So they also talked to Richard's girlfriend
and get her phone, which is important.
Verizon cell phone record for Richard's girlfriend
were seized and they showed that the text messages
between her and Richard were exchanged with Richard using a Google voice number not his
primary cell number. This motherfucker went wow he went incognito here. Yeah he
got a whatsapp for Christ's sake this is nuts. And he didn't ever tell the
investigators that though he kept that. Oh he didn't tell me at a Google number?
Didn't tell him he had that one.
Now, he's, oh yeah, go through my phone, yeah, no problem.
The messages were not stored within the messages
associated with his primary cell phone number,
so they were not recovered during the search
of his cell phone, because it's a whole separate thing.
Had the girlfriend's cell phone records not been obtained,
and the only messages from his cell phone were analyzed,
the text between Richard and his girlfriend might not have been located, but they got her and they found
him. So that's an interesting way they do that. So April of 2017, he's arrested. It
took five months to arrest this guy, almost four and a half months.
He thought he had him fucking beat.
He thought he had it fooled. He's like perfect crime. All the digital shit. I think he got
confused with the digital shit or something
But the digital shit was gonna be the way out when it's really for them the way in
You know, it's great
I don't know if he knew his wife had a Fitbit honor even or I don't know know if he thought and
Extrapolated what that would mean, you know what I mean for IT guy. He's dumb as fuck. He's dumb as fuck
I'm telling you man.
It's fucking interesting.
He's so, the story he makes up,
because last week we had the guy who said that he came home
and his wife had a horrible accident
and the weight bench fell, the bar fell across her throat.
Meanwhile it was him choking her out with the goddamn thing.
So that starts out with this 911 call of, oh my God, I came home with this tragedy.
This guy went a step further and was like, I was involved and I'm hurt too.
He literally, I mean, for him to be lying face down on the fucking kitchen floor when
they get in is ridiculous.
Sit in the chair.
It's a chair. Sit in it if you're tied to it
Grab some shit and cut yourself free. What are you doing? He's laying face down
Just literally moaning so they could find him
So he's arrested
Now the his lawyers very pissed because his lawyer told the judge that his client offered to
turn himself in when there's a warrant, but instead troopers arrested him without giving
him any warning because they thought he'd run away.
That's why they surprised a would-be murderer.
Wow.
He's a flight risk probably.
Yeah.
The lawyer said I extended the offer numerous times and he said my client's innocent.
This is ridiculous. This is Hubert Santos as the attorney.
He said my client is innocent of these charges
and he looks forward to being vindicated after the trial.
Yeah, stay in court, sure.
Yep, he said he denies making any searches
related to Connie's death.
Any searches. Any?
Any at all, yeah.
Those are, someone else hacked his computer
to look up poison, apparently.
Press stone.
Yeah, how easy is it to kill a woman with press stone,
is what he looked up.
So Connie's family members here,
they said they're happy to, I'm sorry, by the way,
it was 2017, so it's a 16 months in between this and the arrest.
My God. 16, not, yeah, that's a 16 months in between this. 16 not yeah that's a lot not four. That's a lot I forgot
that there. Her family members one said I was very happy to hear the news earlier today and I'm
looking forward to getting justice for my cousin. That was Danielle Iamateo is the fucking all gin
names I love it. As for her friends, one said,
I'm just so happy that her friends got justice,
which not yet, he just got arrested.
There's nothing yet.
One other friend said,
or this is Ellington first select woman, Laurie Spielman.
She said, it's been a long time coming.
I'm very happy that the state was still working on it.
He said, they said,
the homicide is not something that I'm going to forget.
It happened weeks after she was sworn in
as the top elected official in the town
and resident after resident had been coming to her
asking if there's any progress in the case.
So this has been a big, big thorn in her side
since she got in office.
It's like, fuck, I just got here, I don't know.
How casual is it to live in Connecticut
that they're like, eh, we'll get to that tomorrow.
We'll get to it, it's fine.
Maybe tomorrow.
I had some time and we'll get in there.
So she said she is pleased about the way
the state police handled the arrest
and they made sure not to slap handcuffs on Richard
and haul him away in front of his sons
because his sons were living with him, obviously.
He said, she said, I know they were very concerned about the children making
everything even more fucking disturbing for them.
So in this time, Richard has been making some financial moves.
Sure.
Yeah.
He put the couple second home in Vernon nearby Vernon.
That's Vernon is the town that really amazing house in the real estate report was it by
the way, it's nearby.
Yeah. Vernon is the town that really amazing house in the real estate report was in, by the way. Really?
It's nearby, yeah.
Put that up for sale for $149,000 and was supposed to close the sale on April 21st,
2017, which is a week after he was charged with murder, but an attorney for Connie's
family asked a probate judge to halt the sale and they do.
They freeze everything.
Anything that Connie had, assets, including a home, everything is all frozen.
Good move, because that thing's probably worth
400 grand now.
Yeah, it's worth a lot more now, yeah, it went up.
So when he, then he removed Rick as the executor
of the will and ordered a full accounting of the estate.
At that point, according to Rick,
the estate was worth $6.42.
Oh, Rick.
So a new inventory filed later by the probate attorney
showed that Connie's estate was worth about $86,000.
It's a little better.
Richard, as executor of the estate,
paid about $17,000 in funeral expenses.
It was a, us guineas do funerals up.
Yeah, that's, yeah, we send off right.
Yeah, you gotta get the Catholic Church involved.
Yeah, you gotta get the church.
You gotta give them a fucking donation.
Plus, there's gotta be a big casket because if you don't.
It's gotta be a beautiful one, yeah.
Basically, if it's not nice, that means nobody loved you.
And everyone's gonna talk bad about you.
They don't hate it.
Yeah, it makes your family look terrible.
So, 17 grand in expenses and state and local taxes
from the estate as well.
He then withdrew another 70,000 before he was arrested
and charged with murder.
A lawyer who represents Connie's sister
said he plans to file a motion asking the judge
to order him to pay back the $70,000 to the estate.
Okay, May 26th, 2017, Connie's sister is named executor of all of her shit.
Yeah?
Which is probably good.
Because Connie, in her original will, which was made in 2005, appointed Richard as executor,
obviously.
But once he was charged, then it's different and you can
do all this shit.
Her sister will now be responsible for paying off any debts and overseeing the distribution
of her assets according to her wishes.
So that's how that goes here.
So they say that her estate was worth about $77,000, most of which was from a $99,000
settlement of a lawsuit after she was injured
in a car crash.
They said he, meaning Dick, didn't submit, or Rick, didn't submit any information about
her life insurance policy or her pension when he was doing the financial disclosure, both
of which are referenced in the warrant for his arrest.
He tried to cash in his wife's insurance policy.
There's also nothing in his asset list about their home,
which at the time was worth at least $275,000,
according to court documents.
And he used the house as part of collateral
to hopefully get bail.
He's trying to get bail.
He's going to put the house up to get bail?
He wants to get bonded out for a brutal murder of his wife
in his own home.
So the prosecutor though said that Richard's family has money and you can't give him bail
because then they'll be able to get him out.
Which is the point of bail.
So it's funny to go, you can't give him bail, he can afford that.
Well why the fuck, what are you talking about?
Why does it exist?
Yeah, if you're going to give him bail, give him something he couldn't possibly afford.
Well then don't do it at all.
What are we talking about here?
So the prosecutor said, what's $1 million to us is $100,000 to him.
Is that right?
So they're saying his family is very wealthy, apparently.
His lawyer disputed this observation about the family's financial status and asked that
the bail be kept at $1 million.
He said that the family plans to post a real estate bond to free him. Now the family has five pieces of property
they plan to use as collateral for a real estate bond. The properties including houses
owned by his parents, a cousin, an aunt and him. So they're not wealthy. They're everyone
in the whole family is putting their house up.
What you're saying is everybody has a home?
Yeah, they all have homes.
Such rich folks.
And altogether they had $710,000 in equity in these homes.
So that he would have to post the remaining $290,000
through a bail bondsman.
So that's what they do.
So they do.
He does that and he gets out on bail.
So on a cash bond is much lower than if you put property up,
it has to be almost the value of.
It has to be the value.
Some states have it where it has to be
beyond it?
A half again value.
Wow.
Yeah, they do that in case for markets or whatever.
Yeah.
Or they have to be twice as much.
Because remember American Hollow when the guy went to put him in four houses up
for a $5,000 bail?
And they were like, that does don't add up.
It's gotta be 10,000.
We don't have enough equity.
Holy shit.
So the kids at this point,
where are these two poor kids?
These fucking kids.
Where did they go?
They feel horrible.
They are staying with, or they had been,
while Richard was in jail,
they had been staying with Connie's parents
So there's no indication whether that would change
There are no conditions of his release that prohibit him from having access to his children
So that right if he wants to he can say bring my fucking kids over because they're mine
And that's that they have to do it so they can sue him or whatever, but that's more outside of that
December 2017 a wrongful death suit is filed.
This is Connie's sister who files this lawsuit against Rick.
They should change that, right?
It's very strange.
I get that they do it so they can't make money off of it
is essentially the deal,
but why don't we just make a sweeping law
that says you can't make money off your crimes,
make it a federal law or an every state law and then say you can't sue murderers for
damages unless the murder had something to do with money or whatever.
And also if you are accused of murder you can't be around the children.
Yes, yeah.
If you are on bail for murder of their mother you shouldn't be around them.
You should not be allowed't be around them.
You should not be allowed to be around them.
It's happened in the past where the people get bailed,
they have the children, they end up killing the children
and themselves.
And themselves, they take everybody down, exactly.
And that's, we can't allow that.
No, that's fucking crazy.
So the sister is named executor of her sister's estate,
and that's it.
They said that in Connecticut, a wrongful death lawsuit can only be filed by the executor of her sister's estate. And, uh, that's it. They said that in Connecticut,
a wrongful death lawsuit can only be filed by the executor of a person's estate. So the sister had
to file it. Um, now Rick also put the second home up for sale. Like we said, but that was stopped.
Um, they own the home in hell and Ellington as well. Records show all the sale of the Vernon
house was halted. Richard still took hundreds of thousands of dollars out of his wife's 401k accounts of which he was the beneficiary and at least one fidelity account
worth $93,000. Once removed, that's when they did all the accounting and that's when they found out
there was $6.42 and what he said and all that kind of shit. Now, okay, we get all the way to May of 2020. I'm sorry, not May, beginning
January 2020. Are we ready to go to trial yet? Maybe?
We better be. Yeah.
So the jury selection for the trial, which remained on the docket for years, amid a lot
of evidence issues, all that electronic stuff, and his attorney had a bunch of health issues.
There's a lot of issues that delayed this thing three fucking years but they're finally ready.
November of 2019 they say that the there's no more delaying the trial. The
judge says this trial is to go forward in April no matter what. Which of course
the no matter what happened because the trial was it was literally supposed to start the end of March in 2020
Which is when everything was shut down
Yeah, so that was that so and then Richard then when they were all set to go again in 2021 Richard's attorney died
Oh, he fucking died. So then they had to delay it
More to 2022
So then they had to delay it more to 2022. So you had to get another attorney.
These kids are gonna retire before their dad goes to trial.
It's fucking crazy.
The one kid was born in 2006.
He's fucking 15 by now.
15 years old, yeah.
Like he was a small child.
Now he's getting to be an adult for this.
This is crazy.
Those poor kids.
How are you gonna drive?
Fuck.
February, 2022, the jury selection finally resumes.
Two years later. And a new jury has to be selected due to the amount of time
That's passed because some of the people that were selected have moved away. Yeah out of state
They're not residents of the state anymore. They can't be jurors
It's been fucking five years
So people move out of 12 people few of them are gonna go for sure now during the trial the defense
A few of them are gonna go. For sure.
Now during the trial, the defense,
their whole thing is they are going to challenge
the electronic evidence, including the Fitbit data
collected by police, arguing that it's unreliable
and has never been previously tested in a trial.
Unreliable, complete bullshit.
You know, these newfangled Fitbits don't work.
Prehistoric one too, it's not even a watch.
This is the shit bit.
Please sign your goddamn belt anything could happen.
They also shit bit. They also plan to challenge a hospital interview that Rick gave to police
after the killings and get that thrown out too where he said that he had a girlfriend
and all that shit.
His attorneys are expected to challenge all of the evidence. They also have asked the court to bar an interview state police did with him outside the hospital
too as well.
This is the conversation where he acknowledged that he had a pregnant girlfriend that was
about to give birth to their child that his wife was not only aware of it but had agreed
that not only will they co-parent, could all live together he told the cops.
You can have a live-in.
Bring your high school girlfriend who you knocked up in and we'll all just raise kids
together we'll just have a commune it's fine.
A live-in third okay.
Wow this isn't 1975 that's never gonna fly you know what I mean?
So the motion to bar the interview alleges that Rick wasn't informed of his Miranda
rights and wasn't free to leave since he was confined to a hospital bed.
They said though he was not physically restrained, he was restrained from leaving by the physical
presence of two officers accusing him of not being truthful.
Well, that's not being held though.
No.
Just because they're accusing you and they're in the room, you're not held.
So the prosecutors file a separate notice in which they said Rick claimed someone damaged
his car in October 2015 only to demonstrate the need for home security that led to him
buying a gun.
So they're saying he was planning this for months.
Oh, they even did the vandalization himself?
They argue that he damaged the car himself and they have some physical evidence to that as well.
They said he damaged the car himself
so he could say they needed a gun so he could get one
so he could plan this for.
Oh my God, that's diabolical.
Fucking diabolical.
That is.
That's a terrible man.
That's a bad, he's a bad guy lying to everybody.
He's a piece of shit.
So they said that Rick had affairs with two other women,
including the pregnant one, so three altogether women,
including his wife, and a lawyer for Rick said
the evidence of the affairs was, quote,
just an attempt to dirty up Mr. DiBatte's reputation.
What reputation?
You're on trial for murdering your wife.
Your reputation couldn't be worse right now.
It'd be impossible for your reputation to be worse,
unless it said you raped a child first.
That's the only way that would make it worse.
And then turn the gun and shot your wife for seeing it.
Wow, so they talked to the first cop on the scene
he testifies, and he said that he tried to get information
from Rick as another investigator shouted
they found a body.
He said Rick didn't react.
They argued, defense team argued that he was laying
on his stomach with a hand tied behind his back
may have made it hard for him to react to investigators
or for the investigators to see his reaction.
Okay, they said that this cop said that he questioned
Rick further
once they'd been loaded into the ambulance,
asking where his children were.
Rick said that they were at school in first and fourth grade
and gave the trooper his parents' phone number
to call them and pick the children up.
Okay, that makes sense.
They talked, so he was in his right mind,
is what they're saying, he's remembering phone numbers
because he doesn't even have his phone.
Sarah, now his girlfriend, she gets on there
and says, yes, he said this, yes, he said he was gonna
leave his wife, yes, he got me knocked up.
No, there was never any plan for us to live together
and co-parent this fucking baby and all that shit.
Obviously.
Fitbit, this is where Fitbit really comes into play here.
They showed, leading up to her last movement,
the Fitbit showed what they called incidental movement.
They described this type of movement as the kind
that would be recorded if someone
were doing household chores.
Like you'd get home and do for an hour almost.
Not the kind of data a Fitbit would show
if someone were purposely walking somewhere
or running from someone or just farting around, you know, tooling around the house.
She just didn't take her shit off.
She forgot.
So they said that his assessment, this expert said, is based on a peer-reviewed and published
research in which he and his colleagues studied multiple users wearing different kinds of
wearable technology while walking, jogging, running, or standing still on treadmills.
We found that the Fitbit device was very accurate
at measuring steps.
They said the most accurate Fitbit model that they tested
was the hip-worn model worn by Connie.
The one she has.
Yes, because if you know the Kathleen Madigan joke,
she talks about fooling her Fitbit when she had a watch, by she noticed that when she drinks
wine, every time she picks her hand up, it says a step.
So she's like, I just gotta drink more and I'll be in a lot
better shape, she's doing her whole thing.
So that's why they're more accurate,
because you can do other shit.
Whereas the one on the hip, you actually have to be
moving around.
You have to move, yeah.
Yeah, he said it was really, really accurate,
which that's an expert saying that.
Her movement was more intentional,
meaning about 60 steps or so per minute
around 815 to 834 that morning.
And then there were Fitbit recorded some light stepping
about 10.05 and that's her last registered movement.
So he explained that, I didn't know this,
they said, how does this work?
And I'm just gonna read this off quick
because it's fascinating.
He explained that the device has crystals
that move around three planes and elicit a voltage
that is a read as acceleration or steps.
Really?
If you said how does a Fitbit work, is it crystals?
I would laugh for 15 minutes and say,
what are you, a fucking wizard?
What are you talking about?
Obviously it's not crystals that are doing this.
It is, it's crystals.
It really is a slitherin inside your fucking.
I don't know what to say here.
It's some Harry Potter shit, that's what does it.
That's the most shocking thing in this whole case so far. We've had some weird shit.
So they asked him whether the device could record how many steps a person made in a few seconds or just over the course of a minute.
The expert said the data is recorded per minute, meaning someone could walk 30 steps in 10 seconds and stop moving,
and the device would record that they walked 30 seconds within the surrounding 60 second window.
Okay.
So yeah, they also,
he also said that the Fitbit does not keep time.
The time the steps are taken is connected to the time
kept on the device that the data is loaded onto.
Oh.
So like your cloud or whatever.
If the phone or computer,
or the device was connected to
was not set to the right time, the timing of the steps wouldn't be accurate. Everything's was not set to the right time,
the timing of the steps wouldn't be accurate.
Everything's gotta be set from the right time.
They bring in Connie's mom.
Uh oh.
Cindy Margata here.
She's gonna be so mad.
Oh, she's super pissed, yeah.
She said she spoke with both her daughter
and son-in-law the morning of the murder.
She said that, yeah, Rick texted her to ask
if one of the couple's young sons
had left a jacket at her home.
She'd been watching the sons, the grandsons that weekend
while they took them to, because Rick and Connie
had gone to Vermont together.
That's very nice.
She said, her mom said that Connie called her
that morning and was stressed.
And the mom said that they were very close.
She said, I considered her a close friend
and she considered me a close friend.
She shared a tremendous amount with me,
more than I think most mothers and daughters.
So she said on the morning of the 23rd,
Connie told her mother she was going to make an appointment
with her therapist.
They asked if she knew why,
her daughter wanted to talk to her therapist and
the judge, they object but the judge allows it and she responded quote, she said that
Rick was a mess. And the lawyer questioned mom about her further conversation with her
daughter asking whether she told the police what she was telling the jury. And the mom
said she said Rick was a mess that morning and she wanted to see Barb her therapist
and then I said and then she said I love you mom you're my best friend and that's the last I heard
from. So the defense witnesses come now. They one is her his aunt and his aunt describes Rick as a
bloody mess when he came to her house to change
out of his hospital gown the night of the murder.
Because the cops took his clothes obviously to test for residue and all that.
She said her nephew seemed upset about his wife's murder, was wounded from the cuts he
said came from the intruder and at times was crying.
Where's his burns by the way?
He said he was burning me with a blowtorch and I don't see burns on him.
I would expect burns.
And he's just dancing around with it.
Ooh, I'm going to burn you.
Yeah, ooh, I'm going to burn you.
Ooh, he's doing like fucking, he had stuck in the middle with you playing and fucking
Michael Madsen was going around.
So the defense also questioned a woman who on the day of the crimes was cleaning a house nearby to help her parents
with their cleaning business.
She told the cop she may have seen a deer
or human-sized dark green figure pass by the window.
As a person that lives around woods, likely a deer.
You know how many deer pass my fucking house window every day? My dogs are barking every five minutes at likely a deer. You know how many deer have passed my fucking house window every day?
Dogs are barking every five minutes at these fucking deer.
And this happened in January, was that right?
Yes, yes.
So they're out in the winter looking for food too.
So she said, and the defense is like, there he was,
that was the guy running away.
The green guy.
Yep, because Rick said from day one
that a man in camouflage, hunting style outfit
killed his wife and ran from the home.
At least two dozen people who lived on the street were called to the stand throughout
the weeks to ask if they saw a large man in camouflage or anything unusual at all.
They all said no.
Okay, now it's Rick's turn to testify.
Here we go, Rick.
And he's got to testify.
Yeah.
He's in a position where he's getting found guilty a thousand percent unless he goes up
there and bullshits these jurors like he bullshitted every woman in his life.
This is going to be fascinating.
This is going to be amazing.
So he, by the way, this reminds me of this Tellus guy, Robert Tellus, Richard Tellus,
the guy in Las Vegas who killed a reporter and the
trial's on right now. He's got a crazy bald head. You can't miss him if you look on YouTube.
His story is fascinating and the craziest thing. He's the guiltiest person ever. He's
just like, no, they're all framing me, everyone, the police, a real estate company, all these
people. Anyway.
They all had to get him.
Richard here, Rick testifies here,
and I guess there was a lot of motions for mistrial
and some last warnings from the judge.
The prosecutor was asking him questions
about the crime scene investigators saying,
he staged his home after murdering his wife.
And the judge is, he's asking a lot of inappropriate
questions that aren't legal and the judge
is disallowing them.
During cross-examination, this is the state here,
the state asked him point blank whether he shot his wife
and staged a crime scene, accusing him of smearing blood
on the wall of their staircase, planting his stolen
quote unquote wallet in the yard, and then waiting
for the police
to arrive and find him tied to a lightweight metal folding chair.
Right.
So the lawyer, his lawyer then objects because he is asked if because of the blow torch being
around, they asked him, were you trying to create a little
mini Cheshire scene there? Now Cheshire is a very, very, very famous murder of the Pettit
family being slaughtered in this fucking home and then burning it down. It's a horrible
fucking story.
They were not dead when that fire went. It is so bad.
It's such a terrible story that story.
So they said that they asked if he was trying to set fire to a stack of papers
in the basement where his wife was shot. That's why maybe that's what you were
doing. So they said the whole the whole courtroom went when he brought that up.
Like Jesus you brought that up? Damn. They also referred... A baby was raped for fuck's sake.
Fuck's sake.
Oh, it's an awful story.
They also, the prosecutor kept referring to the alleged intruder as Vin Diesel throughout
his entire line of questioning.
So then Vin Diesel said this, what did Vin Diesel say next?
Which I think is great because that's exactly what I would be doing too.
I oftentimes feel bad for people, not that guy.
Yeah, not this guy.
So he would say questions like, quote,
your testimony isn't that Vin Diesel left by helicopter,
is it?
No, it was a blown 69's charger, it was insane.
There's gotta be tire marks in the road
from the peeling out, there has to be.
It was like a 10 second,
arrrrr, for like ever.
The frame twisted.
Smoke clouds were coming up.
When he shifted from second to third,
the car jumped off the ground for a minute.
Is there a spot?
So, cause they're saying that the dogs
never smelled anybody else.
There's no evidence of another man,
so he's saying how do you get out of there
if the dogs couldn't smell him,
are you saying he left by helicopter?
So now Vin Diesel is like hanging off the bottom rung
of a helicopter as he's being taken away.
Which makes it sound more ridiculous, obviously.
Rick testified during questioning from his own attorney
that the intruder tied the chair to his left wrist
after killing his wife.
In later questioning, after the prosecutor pointed out the crime scene photos show the chair tied to his left wrist after killing his wife. And later questioning after the prosecutor pointed out
the crime scene photos show the chair tied
to his right wrist.
Uh oh.
He said, I guess I made a mistake about which wrist
just now, but it's fine.
How do you?
It's cool.
Yeah, it's all right.
No worries.
Yeah, how do you never forget?
Yeah.
He said he was tied at his right wrist
and tried to wrestle off the intruder with his left hand.
They said, yeah, that's what happened.
He also said that in his disoriented state,
he made his way upstairs from the basement
and into the kitchen and laid on the ground
under the chair, suffering injuries
while his ears were ringing from the single gunshot wound
he heard at close range.
Meanwhile, three bullets were fired in the basement.
Connie was shot twice, and we don't know
where the third bullet went.
It's a little lodged in something.
So they said, well, how come you didn't lift yourself
off the ground before the police arrived?
You got up on the counter to get your cell phone,
your key phone, why would you flop back down on your face?
It doesn't make any sense.
And they also said, the chair, because he said, well, the chair was on top of you. And they also said the chair, because he said,
well, the chair was on top of you. And they said the chair weighs nine pounds. Yeah. You
just said you fought off a bulky Vin Diesel a minute ago. Now a nine pound metal chair
is not very hard. And there's plenty of guys walking around still that have been hitting
the head with them hundreds of times. So he said, it weighs nine pounds.
He said, well, why didn't you use the multiple sharp objects
in your kitchen, like your knife block
that had knives and scissors to set yourself free?
He said, you never set yourself free in the kitchen,
did you, because that was the way you wanted to be found.
Great point.
Great point.
And there was multiple objections all through this,
talking about the couple's finances,
talking about Rick's parenting,
or bringing up topics that hadn't been introduced
into evidence and prejudicial answers being given.
Lot of last quote, last warnings from the judge.
Uh oh.
Lot of those.
He went on to tell his story,
brought my kids to the bus stop.
He said, then I went back inside to change my shirt,
left for work, and all the bullshit he said here.
He said that he pulled over near an apple orchard
to send an email to his boss saying he had to get,
saying that his alarm system was going off
because he said I'm the IT guy,
so I was embarrassed to tell my boss I forgot my laptop.
So lying to everybody.
They said, what about what you told police in the morning
that you'd driven 10 to 15 minutes before you pulled over
to send that email?
And he said, I don't know, it was a stressful day,
I guess I wasn't thinking clearly.
Which is his answer to any of his shit
that doesn't line up with facts, he just goes,
I guess I was stressed out, I don't know.
That's not a catch-all.
No, he said, my times were obviously off back then it was a long
day. Long day. It was a long day. It was 10 a.m. man. Super long day. He said that they also said your
cell phone data shows that you were both home for about 30 minutes together that
morning before the shooting and that Rick didn't leave his house besides
bringing his sons to the school bus.
He said both of those things contradicted
what he told police and what you've told the jury.
And Rick's answer was quote, that's not true.
We're like, but we have all the electronic stuff.
He said, I absolutely left the house that day.
Okay, so we don't know where you were.
You were using, okay, okay, all right.
This is wild. This is reminding me of this
TELUS guy so much.
They said that he heard a noise and he got home
and I got home, I placed my phone by the
Keurig machine because I wanted to make some coffee.
Left it like a marker, like I'll find that later.
And since he was already gonna be late for work now,
he pulled out his laptop and decided to veg out for a while while listening to ESPN radio. Mike and Mike. Yeah, Mike and Mike.
That's when he heard the sound. And he said that he again told the story walking in the bedroom,
masked intruder in the closet, Connie, yada yada. He said, I remember seeing, this is when the
shooting happened, quote, I remember seeing Connie fall motionless on the ground. That's probably true because you shot her and she did that
He said by the way, she fell that he knew she was dead
He said it was pretty clear by the way
She fell the way she lied most motionless that she was dead and also it's a 357 in her fucking head
You can pretty much you pretty much bank that one one It's pretty amazing what those things can do they asked him point-blank. Did you shoot your wife and he said absolutely not sir
Okay, sure. Oh, Jay
so
Questioned about the time 918 when he looked up the YMCA cycling class schedule
He said that Connie had asked him to look it up that morning as they were getting ready
Okay, but you said she was gone. So why or she was there I don't understand he's they pointed out that the timing didn't match
up because 918 was around the time that he said the intruder was going after his
wife and she said the prosecutor said was she running down to the basement and
did she yell up can you look up if there's a spin class?
As she's running from an intruder.
Which is really.
I'm gonna get the gun.
You check if there's spin after this.
Cause you know what, we'll take care of this real quick
and then we're gonna need shit to do
for the rest of the day.
Look at he split, I'm gonna need some spin.
Wow, so he's got all the spin.
He could teach a spin class, this guy. Bullshit spin. Rick
again attributed his confusion of the timeline and minor details of the day as he called
them. Minor details. Wow. Fucking A to the trauma he endured during the attack. So they
concluded this cross-examination by once again asking him, just shoot your
wife and stage a crime scene. He said, no, I didn't. No, no, no. So the jury goes out.
It only takes them. This is a trial, by the way, that lasted weeks. They examined 130
witnesses and had 600 pieces of evidence. It took them like three hours. They were ready
to go. They knew they had a decision.
Didn't take a lot here.
He is found guilty on all charges,
which is tampering with evidence and murder.
They filled out the paperwork and then went
and took a spin class and came back and done it.
They were all tired, like, whoa man, my thighs are burning
but I'm ready to put somebody in the pokey.
All this talk about spin, you guys wanna go do one?
Now the trial watchers outside,
because this is a huge deal in this area.
Here's a lady from Vernon.
She's amongst the people in the court
who didn't know the victim or the accused.
She said she'd been following the case
and just wanted to be in the courtroom.
She said, personally, I hope he goes to prison
and they throw away the key.
They're better off, the kids are better off not having a father like that.
Oh my God.
That may kill them, probably.
Better off not having a father.
A father at all.
Mary Wheeler of Vernon said she knows Connie's family from when her daughter used to get
on a school bus with one of her sisters.
She came to court and to support the family.
She said, you can't find words
that are going to do anything other than let people know
that you care and that your heart feels for them.
Now, during sentencing, they brought in more than 10
of Connie's loved ones to speak to the judge
to get the sentence up here.
They described her as a prankster
who liked to do mischief shit.
She was mischievous.
Once she started a huge water gun fight at the family barbecue. That's fun. You know,
it's fun. Yeah, she's fun. She's not like diabolically, but she's just fun. You know,
she'll start, she'll be the fun ant. She's not putting Saran wrap on the toilet. She's
spraying you with water. No, spraying you with a water gun. It's not short sheet in
your bed and dressed up as an elf to visit their father
in the hospital to cheer him up around the holidays. She was called the fun young aunt.
She's the cool aunt basically. To her nephews, who as she said, her lives have been changed
forever. She said the last gift her nephews could give her was to carry her casket. Jesus,
that's fucking dark. That's grim. My God, what is her name? Fucking, I don't know her first name, but Grim Shaw over here. My god, that's fucking grim.
He's stabbing everybody in the gut in the fucking courtroom.
Oh my god.
Connie's mother, Cindy, who's 84 years old, got up there and she said she'll never forget the last time
she spoke to her daughter. Her daughter said, I love you, you're my best friend. And also that Rick is a mess today.
Another friend took the stand here saying
that the last time she saw Connie,
last time she saw her, she was walking through the hallway
of their children's school singing somewhere
over the rainbow.
Jesus Christ.
They're really gonna get this guy, man.
Holy shit.
She's an actual light.
She wanders around singing songs that make everybody happy.
Fuck.
Her friend Donna Judge brought a framed photo
of a six-year-old Connie with her when she spoke.
She said she wanted the judge to see how long she knew Connie.
They've known each other since then.
They had met at a dance studio when they were six years old
and developed a sister-like bond.
Then this woman married her older brother, Keith.
Connie's brother?
Connie's brother, Keith.
So they became sister-in-laws.
Sister-in-law, yeah.
They said they grew closer as the years went on.
She said that Connie was her honorary baby sister.
And she says she has
trouble forgetting the image of Connie's body when she went to a...
It's not an honorary. Your sister's in law. She can be your baby sister now.
Yeah, it's fine. It's totally fine. You don't have to put honorary in there. She said that
when she went to identify the sister-in-law after the murder, she was the one that went
to do it.
Oh, fuck.
She said her husband, who was Connie Connie's brother has trouble sleeping through the night
Tortured by thoughts of not being able to save his sister
She said it's a pain that has rendered my husband inconsolable and I feel it will be permanent
Okay, sister Leslie said that
She and her husband have gotten a front-row seat to this
She and her husband have gotten a front row seat to this life sentence of grief that he's inflicted on their nephews because now their mom's dead and their dad's in prison.
They recounted the trauma the boys live with, their constant fear of an intruder breaking
in and murdering them, sleepless nights, fear of the dark, and the sleeping bag that they
have to, the kids sleep in sleeping bags next to their beds,
basically most of the time.
They keep sleeping bags there for when the kids
are too scared to sleep and they run in there.
They said, the boys' fear, grief, and confusion
get worse every year as the leaves start to change.
As soon as Christmas decorations hit store shelves,
they said, this woman says she knows what's coming,
a painful and obvious shift in the boys' moods.
Yeah, you think? His mother was basically murdered under the Christmas
tree yes your holidays would be fucked from now on she said the two have become
withdrawn they're less talkative less social and sadder and every Christmas
tree every stocking every twinkling light reminds them of the reality that's
another year since they lost their mother.
Now, wow, Richard speaks on his own behalf. Is that right? And he maintains his innocence. Oh, Rick. And he says, I will never stop seeking justice for my wife, Connie, who I love and think
of every day. And I will never stop seeking justice for myself. More importantly, for myself. What about your son's man?
The judge here, Corinne Clatt, said that Rick was not the victim of a home invasion, but
rather the perpetrator of cold-blooded crimes.
She called him brutal, calculated, and it was an incomprehensible act that was committed at the hands of a person who at one point
Vowed to love and protect her
Prosecutors are asking for 60 years judge says you sir may fuck off 65 years
Eat dicks. Yeah, it is 60 years for murder five years for tampering with evidence and fucking consecutive because fuck you basically
Yep, there's eat dicks
All right one it was five years for tampering and one year for giving a false statement which they that those are concurrent
So there you go. That's nice. So if you get paroled on this 60, you're gonna do another five
Yeah, exactly
You're gonna do way more. So there you go.
Outside of court, the reactions here, a friend and neighbor, Darlene, stepped out of the
courtroom and said she was on her phone.
She stepped out and was on the phone and you could hear her say, quote, it's over, 65 years.
And then she said into the phone, I'm coming home, tell the street it's over.
She was like Tell the street it's over. She was like the street.
She's a neighbor and it was her job to come to the trial and get information.
Shouted at the HOA meeting. It's over. It's over. Well, that's fucking hilarious. The
one of her sisters told the judge that she's been waiting 2427 days to speak about the
gut wrenching grief she's languished from her sister.
Said, my family's never been the same.
She said, I'm not the same person I used to be.
I'm broken beyond repair.
The family statement said that though the trial wasn't about a Fitbit, it was about
a cold blooded planned murder of Connie Margata DiBatte, said her neighbor,
oh, a friend of the family who's their spokesperson.
Connie was a daughter, a sister, an aunt,
a cousin, a friend, and a colleague.
Most importantly, she was a loving
and devoted mother to her sons.
And yeah, so prison.
Rick is currently at the McDougal-Walker
Correctional Institution in Suffield, Connecticut,
not getting anybody pregnant.
No.
And the house, by the way, was sold in 2000, they bought it in 2006.
Then it was listed for sale in 2019 for $399,000.
Wow.
Then lowered 50 grand, then removed completely,
and then finally in May of 2020,
it was sold for 325 grand.
Because.
What a deal.
It's a fucking murder house at that point,
and everyone knows about it.
It's the house everyone whispers about on the street,
so you had to sell it cheaper, and there you go.
Would you ever live in that?
I don't know, there's some, I don't know,
my house is 200 years old, people have died here, I have no fucking idea, so. I guess I don't know. There's some, I don't know. My house is 200 years old.
People have died here.
I have no fucking idea.
So I guess I don't really know.
They've been murdered there, have they?
I don't know.
Who knows?
I mean, I don't know.
And I'm happy I don't.
Let's just put it that way.
Maybe they have.
Maybe they have.
So there you go, everyone.
That's Ellington, Connecticut.
Wow.
And one fucked up ass case and one fucking bad, really bad plan and really bad story.
So it's not about a fit bit. fucked up ass case and one fucking bad, really bad plan and really bad story.
It's not about a Fitbit, it's about a woman
who think fuck wore a Fitbit.
Think fuck she wore a Fitbit or this guy
might have got away with everything.
This is insane, probably not, let's be honest here.
But still, I want to know what the unidentified DNA
on that gun was too, just out of curiosity.
It's not that he's innocent, it's not helping.
Could've been the guy that sold it to him
just a minute ago. Who knows, that's a innocent, it's not helping many. It could be the guy that sold it to him just a minute ago.
Who knows, that's a good point.
Who knows, maybe he showed it to someone
and they touched it, who knows.
I wanna know where the fuck his other kid is,
that poor bastard.
Oh, that kid was a younger one, I feel terrible.
So that one, yeah, it was a daughter too.
Really?
Yeah, he had a daughter with a girlfriend.
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Jimmy, hit me with the names of the most wonderful goddamn people on earth who would never ever
ever leave it to be tracked by our Fitbit to find out who murdered us. Hit me with them right now.
This was executive producer and our Zoa Noah. Noah Zemel. He's off to college Zemel.
Hey! His mom's really proud of him. He's off to college. Congratulations. Good for you.
Go change the world. Don't get any STDs. Yeah, just don't. Yeah. Just don't have sex. Be careful. No, no, have sex.
Carefully.
Nancy Bat, she's 10 years cancer free.
Have wild sex.
Have sex, you'll be embarrassed to tell your spouse later about.
You do that too, Nancy.
Congratulations.
10 years later.
Nancy, get out there and fuck your little tail off, would you?
Thank you.
Kevin Hoydahl, Jessica Bochesney.
Bochesney, maybe. Bochesney? Jessica, thank you. Kevin Hoydahl, Jessica Bochesny. Bochesny maybe. Bochesny? Bo- Jessica. Thank
you. Amy Barton, Melanie with no last name, and also Zack Steiner. Thank you guys so much
for everything you do. Thank you. You're amazing. Other producers this week are Peyton Meadows,
Liz Vasquez, Gary Howard, Janice Hill, Sophie Content. I think that's what it is Content Raheem cannon. Thank you so much. Jennifer Carol Krista Hobart
Brittany Lohberg, Lori Favada Pedro with no last name Holly Kaiser side a cycle Siegel maybe Nick
Forchay Forge Fort Furch
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Arlo Edwards, Jody Kimmel.
Spent enough time on that, I guess.
Kerry Carr, Catherine Koester, Kaster Keester, Judy Griffin, Vicki Hay, Maria Brown, Pookie,
Suzy Pookie, what?
All right.
Lavender Rosier, Chelsea with no last name, Ryan Sland, Sarah with no last name, Soul
Killer 7 Eternal, Eddie Thompson, Ev with no last name, Soulkiller7 Eternal, Eddie
Thompson, Evie?
Evie, Evie Danger, Michael Blea, nope that's just B. It's B with a shitload of E's.
All right, Mike.
B.
Now you know who you are.
Chris Smith-Hedges, Genevieve Howell Brody with no last name, Justine Tidrington, Emily Miller, Justin Seward, Christopher Albate, Jorian Stuckey,
Ashley Groundhog for breakfast, Mustafa. Not the one for lunch. Vanessa Simpson, RRTACCS,
NPS. I don't know what any of those things are. I imagine she's incredible.
Hopefully that stands for something. They're probably all degrees in something.
Gwen Clarke, Ashley Winters, Victoria Cummings, Shell with no last name, Chris Conley, Trey
Bivens, Donna Tunks, M. Dublow, don't do that, Dublow, I don't know, Carly Williams, Marlana? Marlana Goff. Abla Alkwivan. Alkwivan?
Al Rawls.
Brian Scott.
You got it.
Laurie would know last name.
Rachel Vaughn.
Donnie Dennis.
Christina Mayer.
Jess Landers.
Amy Sousa.
Adriana Morado.
John would know last name. Mary Ledane, Brittany Young
McDonnell, Sam Richardson, Ryan Killeen, Tanya Chaffins, Nancy with no last name, Samantha
Rourke, Jake, nope that's Jack Fivecote, Rhonda with no last name, Sam Ashby, what is Sam
Ashby?
Is that a thing?
I don't know, Jacob and Krishan Konkling?
It's that guy or girl.
Katie Novik? Novik. Jackie Mitchell. Jordan Brodegam.
Krista Davis. Phoebe Oberhaus. Jenny Talia. Jeremy Evans. Anna Fullerton. Kathy with no last name. Kristi Martin.
And I fucking hope it's the real one. That's incredible.
Curtis Monti.
She's that ass.
She's so rad.
Oh, Carrie Jubert.
Yep, that's Carrie Jubert.
Brandon Oliver.
Jess Gilmer.
Shay Lin.
Angela Nguyen.
Tanya with no last name.
Angel with no last name.
Paula with no last name.
Tasha Leggett.
Melon Con-Emily. All right. Dolores McKintrick.
McKintrick. Dana B. Jeremy Young. Carian with no last name. Carry on maybe? Carry on. We shall.
Whitney Lindsay. Hurricane Lolo. Wes Baldwin. Monica with no last name. Skogen Hy, Will Cushman, Jennifer Murillo, Sarah Case, Maria Ferrante, Ali Koslowski,
Chad Chito Dusks, Allie Blair, Kelly Lockett, Billy Tobler, Marcella Courtney, Lisa Breitfeller,
Hannah Hartbarger, Hartbarger, golly.
Aaron.
The stuff you give your dogs every six months?
For worms?
For worms, yeah.
Come on, dogs.
Easter worm medication.
Gather around.
Aaron Cooper, KG, K with the last name of a G. James Lipka, Ross Knight, Lauren Yamans, Blair Bryant, maybe Bear's Kid, Mimi with no last
name, Lachlan Dunacliff, Michael Smith, Tattoo with no last name, Julia Campuzano, Keeksla Geek, Shane Lang, Ash with no last name, Paula Ann Lumaad, Dan with no
last name, Lydia Griffith, Paula G, Alyssa, Kaitlyn Russell, Ashley, Lauren Kroeger, Robert
Stevens, Jason Singer, Heather Joy Mitchell, Natasha Sterbiak, Morgan C. Dennis Engelart, Michelle with no last name,
Chrissy Delense, Shelley Scott, Jesse Johnson, Amanda Sklar, Patty Perry, Holbrook, Tiffany
G. Stole, just stole, G stole. It's the letter G and then stole. All right. Jackie Caldwell,
It's the letter G and then stole. All right, Jackie Colwell, John Vensky, Morgan Barnes, Cindy Tav...
Tankerslev, Tankersley.
This is a fucking nightmare.
Veronica, this is my nightmare came to life.
Veronica Gonzalez, Ricky Watson, Stefan Erasmus.
The Pedsipod.
Jeff Kohlmeyer.
Amy Clancy.
Tyler Doan.
Dumbbell Blonde.
Sean Doherty.
Leann Cook.
Martha McIntosh.
Miriam Usmani.
Matt Hewson.
This Is Me.
That's their name.
This Is Me.
Isabel.
Isabel.
This Is Me, not knowing how to read.
Casey Iona.
Cam, with no last name, Paul C,
D, Trevor, Adrian Neville, Neville,
Jess Maskeleuk, what?
Moscow, M-O-S-K,
Moscow, I'm spelling it, just found it out.
Kayla Kina, Kali Lumioni,
Pat West, I can do that,
Alex Reynolds-Henderson, Jason Webb, Carrie Hickman,
Karen McCord, Jay Rubin, Brandon Sherman, Zachary Steiner,
Jessica J.C., Rach with just an H, Rach H,
Erin McFarland, L. Brown P-8, don't do that to me,
Jennifer Ricchetti, Josh M, Essence Boykins, Teresha,
Teresha? It's not Teresa, that's Teresha, right? LaRue, Haley Hogan, and obviously all of our
patrons. Thank you all so much. Thank you everybody so much from the bottom of our fucking hearts.
We can't thank you enough for all that you do for us. That's just real shit, man.
You guys keep us afloat and you keep us going
and thank you for that, honestly.
You're fucking awesome.
If you wanna follow us on social media,
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You can find us, hang out with us,
and do all sorts of shit like that.
Keep coming back, tell your friends.
Keep coming back week after week.
And until next week, everybody,
it's been our pleasure.
Bye. Keep coming back week after week and until next week everybody, it's been our pleasure.
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