Small Town Murder - #541 - Death, Love & OnlyFans - Calera, Alabama

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

This week, in Calera, Alabama, a couple, who makes everyone they meet ask "how did he get HER?", seem to get along wonderfully, with him, helping her with her OnlyFans pictures. When one is found dead, nearly naked, out in front of the family home, the spouse is the only suspect, but the evidence is basically non-existent. Did the true story ever surface & was anyone held responsible??Along the way, we find out that crawfish are delicious & not that hard to eat, that just because someone is on OnlyFans, it doesn't mean their spouse isn't taking the pictures, and that Absinthe liquor bottles usually don't land on top on cell phones!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to try to do that so That's the thing here what we don't do what we go out of our way not to do is we don't make fun of the victims Oh, we're the victims families why James because we're assholes, but but we're not scumbags Yeah, yeah, that works pretty simple. So if you think that that sounds good to you, and you think that sounds fun you're on board excellent You think true crime and comedy should never ever go together? Maybe we're not for you, but maybe we are and maybe you're just not really give it a shot That's all we're saying but for the rest of you that want to hear a crazy story and can't wait We have it for you locked and loaded. I think it's time

Clear the lungs. Let's all sit back arms to the sky and let's all shout I hear a crazy story and can't wait. We have it for you locked and loaded. I think it's time. Clear the lines. Let's all sit back, arms to the sky, and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Let's go on a trip. Here we go. We're going all the way to Alabama. Golly.

Here we go. This is Calera, Alabama. How do you spell that? C-A-L-E-R-A, Calera, Alabama. Oh, there we go. This is cholera, Alabama. You spell that as C a L E R a cholera, Alabama. It was almost like the disease. It's cholera, Alabama. Let's go everybody. Any other Oregon trail elements, elements here? Dysentery Georgia are we heading to next week? So cholera, Alabama, it's in central Alabama. And this, by the way, if you're going, this sounds familiar. We did this case for the virtual live show so we do the virtual live shows like every six months

I'll go six months later. We'll do it as a regular show because you know what it's a story that we have done already So I'm not gonna just throw it away. We're doing and it's we pick great stories for live shows, so it's a good one here Central Alabama, it's about 35 minutes to Birmingham. Go up there. It's about three hours and 15 minutes to Chinchula, Alabama Oh boy, which was the last Alabama one before this which was bargain bin Bundy Oh, yeah, you remember and then we did another Alabama, but that's another story So this is in Shelby County and the motto here Wow, they're pushing hard to the rack here, the heart of the heart of Dixie. Oh you see there's a heart but right there in the middle of that, that's the

heart. Where the left ventricle of the heart of Dixie, that don't have, this doesn't have the same, yeah, it doesn't pop off the page. It's too many syllables. Aorta's maybe, it's a heart thing. I'm looking in this book. The valve of the heart. No, that don't sound good. Nobody likes V's in there. That doesn't work.

Heart of the heart of Dixie. That perfect. Heart of the heart. Heart of the heart of Dixie. So it is Dixie through and through here. Incorporated in 1893, Calera gets its name from the Spanish word that means limestone. Oh, does it? I suppose so. Or it did in 1893 Calera gets its name from the Spanish word that means limestone. Oh does it I suppose so or didn't 1893 The town was known as lime kiln station before it was incorporated and then they said well that sounds like it sounds gross That sounds like a filthy industrial shithole. Let's change that name. It sounds smoky. Lime kiln station does not sound good

That's like when they give them names and numbers. Yeah. Like some of them were like this town was called like Area 62, Space 5 before it was ... Quadrant 38. Before it was called Pleasant Town or some shit. You're like, okay, that's weird. The location was in the heart of the lime producing area of the state.

Didn't know. One of the largest chemical lime producing areas in the United States here. Oh, it makes that? Yeah, who the hell, who thinks, where do they make chemical lime at? Unless you're trying to get rid of a body quickly, you'd really have no need to even think about it.

Oh boy. So it was established, this county, in 1818, and the county was named for a revolutionary war hero, and the first governor of Kentucky, Isaac Shelby, and the first courthouse was built of logs. Uh-huh. Fucking logs. You bet. They Lincoln logged that first courthouse.

What was that? It was initially housed in an old school building, which was a log building, and then they built a brick courthouse in 1854. Good move. Yeah, that's a good move, because as as we know everything in this country burned down from like 1885 to 1930 so they had to rebuild it. It's now known as the old Shelby Courthouse and it houses the Shelby County Museum and Archives and the current limestone courthouse was built from 1905 to 1906 at a cost of $300,000

then. What a deal. Which is like wow, a cost of $300,000 then. What a deal. Which is like wow a lot of money. You had so much money now after taking 1905. It's the GDP of our country. How the hell did they afford that? 300 grand. How did they get 300 grand in a small county back then? That's wild. That's a big bank loan. Wow. Shelby County has a long history in agriculture. Since about 1990, it's become a big location for growing soybeans. Oh. So, there you go.

Okay. Not soybeans. Reviews of this town, we've never been there. Yeah. The hell do we know about it? I'm not going. I don't plan on it anytime soon. No, probably not.

Five stars, seems out of the way. Yeah. No reason to go there. I don't think we're going to do a live show in Calera, probably. I'm not flying over it even. No, down there. down there crossing over it much Five stars small town nice people love that easy to find everything clean Is it clean? Yeah, it's better be there's nobody here starting to build it up more and more

They are building more houses places to eat and things to do Anything you need can be found in the city easy access to the interstate or even back roads to get to new nearby cities. I'll stay off of those, thank you. I've seen my cousin Vinnie and I will not have a repeat of that. This town is like a plaid skirt. Easy access. It's easy access. Four stars. The crime in my city isn't bad. We'll be the judge of that. Right. I think we have the stats and you don't. James is more thorough.

We got this. It's pretty rare when something bad happens here. If there is a problem, the police comes when they aren't busy. Do they? When they aren't busy? We're busy now. Yeah, my son just stabbed my husband. We're busy. The police, they will comes when they're not busy. If they don't have other stuff going on. Also never put if there's a problem in anything because I'll always say, check out the hook while my DJ revolves. Well at least they didn't say they'd solve it.

That helps. They didn't say they'd solve the problem. They comes and solves it. By the way, every single word has a capitalized first letter in this. So they had to do it. Is that right? They didn't just do all caps. They shifted every single word.

It's the weirdest fucking... I've never seen it before. If there's a problem, yo, I'll solve it. It's weirder like that, right? It's much weirder like that. That's nuts. Yeah, it's like lyrics. It's weirder like that, right? It's much weirder like that. That's nuts. Yeah, it's like lyrics. It's strange. I don't know why they would present them like that and there's no like spaces after the periods anyway. And the cops comes. They comes. They'll comes if they're not too busy.

That's awesome. Three stars. I don't know much about this area. Okay. How about you learn a little before you make a review then, stupid? Shit's in the long dawn. What are you doing? Why would you go? I'm gonna make a review of this. I don't know very much about it click Why'd you wait on all those sounds your computer was making and should I give it three star five stars? Well, I don't know too much about one star. Well, I can't I don't know too much. We'll just go three Just play it right down the middle. Just in case Two stars for late night food and drinks. there is one bar and the restaurants close early. The one bar is very small and crowded.

I bet it is crowded if there's only one of them. What's it called? Jesus, no plug? They're not telling us, Jesus. They wanna keep it, you kidding me? It's crowded already. So many more people. Don't tell anybody about the paper tiger.

Fuck. One star, like living in Mayberry, police are very crooked. They don't know how to handle new people New people that come in to the police handle that apparently when you come into town They're gonna handle you apparently how long you've been shit Sheet built houses everywhere and nothing is open past 10 p.m. They only have five stores that is. Or as the other person put it, anything you need can be found in this city. Before 10 p.m. They're not out late much. People in this town 16,126. Oh, actually a decent sized town. It's 35 minutes from

Birmingham. So that makes sense. That's like driving distance to Nashville. There's a nice little area that's a little secluded, a little out of the way, a little peace and quiet. Oh, a little... A little questionable. A little questionable, yeah. A little dicey. A little dangerous for guys like me, probably.

I don't like it. You're more ethnic than Toby Keith. Yeah, that's a little bit, yeah. That's the scale, I feel like. More ethnic than Toby Keith means stay off this back road. Population 16, 126, there's way more females than males, like over 52% for some reason. 32.4 is the median age.

So young, yeah. So low. Yeah, that's very young. I think maybe the college being close by. Young children are all above average, and 25 to 44 are above average. So they're fucking and having young children. It's pretty obvious what's happening here. 56% married, all like the divorce rates lower, the married with our single with children is lower. It's kind of a family area here. Race to this town, 65.6% white, 27.9% black, 0.9 percent Asian, 3 percent Hispanic.

Religion here, a lot of religion, 70.7 percent religious, and Baptist, 51 percent Baptist. As we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South. They're going to be everywhere, number one every week with a bullet. Unemployment rate here, very low, it's under 3 percent. That's great. Which is extremely, that's actually not great. When it gets down that low, then they can't find people to do shit at that point. It's weird. Yeah. Apparently you want like a four like economically and the balance. A four means that there's people to, I mean, it sucks for that four. Yeah. It's not going well for them. Yeah. For everybody else, I

guess it's good. Median household income here is $70,500, which is about $1,000 more than the national average. So that's fine. Everything's great there. Cost of living here, $100 is average. Here it is $100.1. Right around there. Yeah.

On the money there. And we find that housing is actually the low thing here. Really? That's what's cheap. Median home cost, $228,100. That's unbelievable. That's not bad and they're doing well with their finances. So not too shabby here.

And if you agree, here we go. And you need to come here. We have for you, if you wanna be done with all your shopping by 10 p.m. We have for you the Calera Alabama real estate report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for $1,260, which is about the average. And anytime there's a college anywhere near anything, rent prices are way up because that's

all everybody's doing. Here's a three-bedroom one bath, 1344 square foot house. It's not bad. It says attention home hunters on the listing and all capital letters here. It's nestled near a limestone park and Oak Mountain State Park. What do you do with the limestone? I don't know. Just look at the line. Scrape your knees. Go there. That's dusty and weird. Bunch of kids leaving on scraped elbows. I don't understand that perfect for families it boasts a water heater less than a year old oh the house does the house does not the park it's perfect for families because the water heater works yeah a backyard shed and a

front storm shelter for safety yeah point seven five acres not a bad house ninety nine thousand bucks ninety nine grand three-bedroom thirteen hundred for safety. 0.75 acres, not a bad house, 99,000 bucks. 99 grand. Three bedroom, 1,350 square feet. That's like a trip in time. That's what I paid for my first house that was that size. In 2001? Yeah.

Yeah, 2003. Here's a four bedroom, three bath, 2,556 square feet. It's built in 2016, so it is pretty new. It's pretty new. It's interesting though, it looks, they staged it. Obviously had someone stage it, like no one lives, it's set up like a hotel lobby. No one lives like that. It's weird. No one puts fresh lilies out on a daily basis. Where do you throw your bags when you walk in the door? Exactly. So it's a little bit weird here, but it's

interesting. It's $310,000. How many square feet? $2556. That's pretty good. That's not bad, but it's very cookie cutter. Yeah, you can make it your own for that money. You've got to want to live in a cookie cutter neighborhood to have that. This one here, four bedroom, four bath t-ball for each and every b-hole as their 3050 square feet on two acres fucking what it's lovely. Yeah, this house is absolutely has been redone to the specifications of 2023 HGTV like I and why they just yeah, they just bought barn doors They watch somebody really barn door to somebody redo a house and they were like fuck. Yeah, that's all there is to it

Move that boss. That's it. And it's in five years. It'll look like shit. Everyone will go I'm your size gonna walk in and go why all the great Why all the gray a lot of photoshopped things in here, too They photoshopped a pac-Man arcade machine in here for some reason, which is an interesting choice. If I go into a house and I expect a Pac-Man machine and it's not there, you better have a Pac-Man machine is all I'm saying. Especially for $724,900. That machine's about $800. Just get it and put it in the house. But you know what? It's just been reduced. It's been slashed. $99 thousand nine hundred dollars baby it's a bargain. Get on in there. And then

finally things to do. Here we go. The third annual crawfish boil. Yep. Let's get boiling. I don't get it. I love a crawfish. Oh they're so good. Pop those tails off. Feels like a lot of work. It's not. You pop the tail off, you pull it out, you suck the thing, you suck the body out. How How much meat is it and the tail a little bit? Yeah, you eat like 50 of them. They're great That feels like I think you get a pile. Yeah fun and you rip them apart and you get them and you eat them and there's potatoes It's fucking good. Geez, man. Am I more southern than you here? Feels like a slaughter for nothing. That's great. They're fucking river roaches.

Who cares? Slaughter them. They're great. They're pretty gross. They're delicious. I love them. I made them at the river. Oh, great.

And just ate the claws. Just like cracked those up. That's the one thing you don't eat. Is that right? I cracked them. Just throw those out. Crapped them? Cracked them.

They're too tiny. Yeah, you just pop the tail. Yeah? You pop the tail. Yeah, it is. They are. There's not a lot of meat in the claw. No, nobody does that. Yeah, you pop the tail, pull the meat out, a lot of meat in the claw No, you don't nobody does that

Yeah You pop the tail pull the meat out and then suck on the body and then you get all the juice out Yeah, like the seasoning that you've done the killing you throw it away. Huh? Oh think throw it away. Yeah, they're good We had a big boy all over the summer man. We're here for it This believe it this year. There's local vendors fun and games live music that they're not gonna tell us about cuz it's so good Yeah, I love that they're not going to tell us about because it's so good. Yeah. I love that. So brag about it.

Yeah. The mystery guest. Yeah. The well, it's presented by the sponsor, ERA King Real Estate. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're saying come on down. They say they invite you to our third annual Crawfish.

Well, that sounds festive. The era real estate people. Also the Strawberry Festival and car show. Yeah, why not? Let's mix those together. I like the or- I'm a strawberry shake and lean over my 67 Camaro. How many years did the organizers have separate festivals and like, it's gotta be the strawberry

festival drawing people away from us and vice versa. To where they finally said, you know what? Yeah. Like two warring mob families. We could share this neighborhood. What do you say? Bill brought that fucking hot ass Nova out of his garage. Nobody's going to come get shortcake.

He's got a 69 Challenger. His wife's got the shortcake. This place is fucking great. It's my favorite. It says there's nothing like biting into a sweet and juicy strawberry. Strawberries are wonderful. Pretty legit. And you add some festive music and a dash of outdoor family fun

And you've got a recipe for a good time there Charlie you doesn't say Charlie But I'm calling you Charlie a little bit of some Beach Boys Surfboard on the top of a Volkswagen. Okay, let's do it Kokomo on loop Not even old Beach Boys, the 80s Beach Boys. Ah, Stamos Beach Boys. They were like, we're all sober, Beach Boys. Manson who, Beach Boys? Yep, those are the ones.

Our drummer's dead, Beach Boys. The one who hung out with Manson drowned, don't worry, Beach Boys. Everything's fine. Poor Denny. Yeah. Denny was a mess. They were supposed to be. It was a messy time. They were rock stars. Yeah. It's a mess. It's the 60s. It's a, invite a gaggle of hippies over to your house and have them take over. Who cares?

That's great. So they said that the, uh, the strawberry festival will feature all of the above. Well, that's good. At least they weren't telling us things and then go, now we'll have some of that stuff, But not all of it In addition to strawberry vendors attendees will find food trucks a car show a kids zone and plenty of live music Who's the live music from is it local high school bands and choirs? No, that's gonna be great as well as guest musicians automatic slim blues band That's automatic slim automatic slim blues band. That's automatic slim. Automatic slim blues band.

That's a whole. Right, but is it automatic slim blues band or is it automatic slim blues? No, no, automatic slim blues band, four words. Yeah, but I don't know where the emphasis is supposed to be. I don't think you're supposed to. I don't think we're supposed to know where the emphasis is supposed to be.

Well, you know what? Their emphasis is from 12 to 2 p.m. So if you're a performer and your fucking call time is like pre-noon, you're not doing well. I'll tell you that right now. This high noon is when you start? And then the headliners will be the headliners, is the name of the band. With a Z, the headliners.

They have to go on. They go on at three, of course. I mean, they won't go on before two. That's the thing that comes with that. It's the 11th time they're doing this and the event planners hope to make it the biggest one yet. Sure. Tyler Madison, who runs this joint,

says we're trying to make it the biggest it's ever been. Just come on out and have some fun. Do what Tyler says. Just come on out and have some fun. It's not even trying to, I'm not gonna sell it to you anymore. Just come on out and have some fun. Do what Tyler says. Just come on out and have some fun. I'm not going to sell it to you anymore. Just come on out. Eat a fucking strawberry. Make it big. Then he says it's a free for all festival for the community, which he means it's free

for all, but it makes it sound like people are just brawling in the streets throwing strawberries at each other. WrestleMania of the old town. Yeah, slamming each other on classic car hoods and shit. Festival, the Strawberry Festival will be a cupcake eating contest. Featuring cupcakes provided by the local bakery Creations, Galore and more. Sure. So you got to have that obviously.

And there's the whole schedule here of everything. Enjoy a day with family and friends vendors will be selling foods arts crafts produce and of course yeah strawberries obviously fucking better be then there's a kid zone where they claim to include a princess character meet-and-greet face painting balloon art inflatables these are all things you can promise and unicorn rides yeah I'm calling you out on that sir Where is your unicorn show me a picture you have a pony? Yeah, with a fucking horn strapped to his head glued a corn cob. Yeah things face. There's a leather strap around its chin You're not even pulling children with that

I don't think unless you hammered it into this poor horse's face They might have made one and you need to to be arrested. Made me a unicorn, here he is. Staple it to its head. Wow, it says enjoy a plethora of baked goods. Right. Such as cake pops while perusing the handmade crafts, clothing and jewelry displayed from various vendors and vintage boutiques. It's also a swap meat. Yeah, it's every festival in America. That's all of them. So that said, crime rate, what we are interested in here, property crime is slightly above average. So there's more than you think. Maybe these cops don't come. I was gonna say nobody comes is the problem. That's the issue. Violent crime though, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault.

You'd expect that to be low at least. Right about average. What in the fuck is going on? I don't know what's happening here, but these people seem to be, they seem very happy and we're crime free. And if there is a problem, which there never is, apparently there is more than... Maybe that's why they didn't solve it.

I think so. Maybe they should have checked out the hook. Yeah. Get that DJ revolving. That's what I mean. That's the problem. I don't think anybody realized what's happening here. Yeah, that guy just stopped it if there's the problem. I don't think everybody realized what's happening here

Yeah, that guy just stopped it if there's a problem. I didn't do anything else So that said let's talk about a murder here and some wild shit here. Let's start out hot January 13th 2018 yeah, there is a young lady named Makorcha Yeah, there is a young lady named Macorcia purifoi. Hell yeah. That is, that's a handle boy. That's Macorcia purifoi. I'm glad you're saddled with that burden. I don't want that one.

They're both hard to say. Yeah, it's one of your names, but when both are hard to say. Yeah, it's like, oh my God. Your brain goes, oh no, what do I do? It panics. I'm not in the right place. Your brain's set to pronounce one name And you're like, oh god, both of those are hard. I don't know two nightmares. Did I leave the country? Yeah, that's why I'm lucky. My parents didn't name me after their grandfathers

And I'm not Guy Tano biaggio Petragallo. That would have been People's head would fucking explode at least James are like, alright, I understand that one Yeah, so now she's 19 years old sure and she is headed out She's a she lives on this in the suburban neighborhood And she is headed out to go to her work at a fast food restaurant one don't know we don't know not important at all But she's going out to sling french fries in the one way or the other I assume Maybe it's that one is the one Alabama one we did oh with the fries You Oh with the fries you got in the car was it fuck was it checkers? I don't know. I don't remember. I want to eat the wherever that was because the fries sounded really good

Yeah, you know eat them in the car. Otherwise, they're trash. They're trash. So that's that low all the Alabama where people were like She's full of shit Cuz nobody nobody waits to eat them fries they were like so vocal yeah I know ain't no way she's telling the truth we got so many messages and everything that lady's lying because you do not wait to eat those french fries and it was like yeah not even like a joke thing they were all dead serious like when you get those french fries you eat them right away that lady is lying put her in prison yeah that's the most does your does your kitchen cook grits quicker than

anywhere else it's argument ever it's amazing damning circumstantial evidence in the history of murder down there it was wild are you or we don't believe that your stove cooks grits faster than any other place on the planet that boiling water soaks in a little grit faster on your stove than any other place on the planet. That boiling water soaks into a grit faster on your stove than any other place on the planet. Ha ha ha ha. So boiling water soaks into the grit. So McCorsche says, it was dark, it was cold.

I wasn't sure like what I was seeing. That's January. In northern Alabama, January gets cold. In the south, just in general. It gets cold. They have fucking ice storms They'll tell you the weather's not the weather is horrible down there in the summer It's a hundred degrees in humid and it's fucking and it's cold as shit in the winter. It's a shit

It's hot and shitty worse weather in the gas my dad lived in North Carolina, and I'm like when is it nice out? Never from freezing to fucking humid sweating my balls stuck to my leg in yeah a day what four seasons of it'll all kill you it's crazy it's insane down there so yeah that's the weather gets rough down there so I guess she this is before dawn this is pre dawn oh boy she is driving going a fast god Jesus leaving your house pre dawn to go make fucking hash browns freezing oh god Jesus that's rough. And she says she spotted something in the road.

She said, I think I see a person laying in the road. That's what she said. She was on the phone. She called her mom and said, I think I see something, well, halfway in the road. She didn't know. So rather than pulling up and checking it out, she went back home to get her parents.

Circle back at mom. She doesn't want to go check this out by herself, which up and checking it out. She went back home to get her parents. Circle back at mom. She doesn't want to go check this out by herself, which I don't blame her. She's like, it could be somebody who's, you know, playing a trick and she's like, they're going to jump up and kidnap her. You don't know, that's smart.

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Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And takes them and they return to the scene to try to check this out. And we'll return to them later. We'll circle back. So right now there's a family standing over what's possibly a person lying in the road after circling back? We will circle we will circle back and let us introduce some people Okay here. Okay. Let's talk about Kathleen Don Martin Okay. Now she'll go by cat West. Hell. Yeah as West will be her married name later on and Cat short for Kathleen her to say

that's that's her like kind of internet personality at cat West so our friends of hers say she's very extroverted always she's born in 1975 by the way and she's very extroverted and they said she's always the life of the party they said like she has like an online personality that we'll talk about later, but sure, it's kinda like her regular personality too. And it's weird because a lot of people, a lot of articles talk about how she's led a double life. But it's not a double life at all.

It's an out in the open life. It's very strange how they act like she was like, they act like the husband and kids went to bed and then she grabbed a mini skirt and went out on the street and gave $20 blow jobs. That's what they act like it was. I know one knew about it. That's how they act. Like it was hurt snoring in the house. And then she's like, yeah, no job like one of those suburban prostitution rings where all the mothers are like, we're bored. I don't think that ever happens in real life,

but in movies that's always a thing where like eight attractive 35 year old ladies who's just tired of going to soccer practice. Yeah, they have kids in the fourth grade together and they're like, you guys want to fuck for money? We should, right? We should totally do it. And then they just get together and do it. It's a weird slice. One more fucking orange on a Sunday.

I can't do it. Can't do it anymore. Saturday afternoon, the goddamn Alabama football games on. I can't do it. I'm not doing the goddamn Alabama football game's on. I can't do it. I'm not doing it. I just want to blow a string. For money I don't need. That's all I want to do.

Yeah. For... It's all the way that happens. I've seen like six movies where that's a plot. For pocket cash. And it's like, how is that a plot? For walking around money. Yeah.

Just feel like doing it. I know it happened once in real life. Did it really? Yeah, there was a real thing that that happened and they made like it happens everywhere now. What a dream. That's amazing. Oh, wow. So that's her friend, that's Kat's friend Brittany that says she's very extroverted,

life of the party. She said Kat would get on stages and sing. She couldn't sing for the life of her, but she was singing. Hell yeah. She would sing. She was proud of who she was. Now, that's the type of, and that's the advantage of being a very, like a hot woman.

Yeah. You can have no singing ability. You get up there and people are like, yeah! Give it hell, girl. Yeah, whereas us, they'd be like, okay, fucker, get off the fucking, come on! Jesus Christ, quit wasting your fucking time. You're gonna sing the second verse too?

No, no. You already did one, get out. He's not doing Freebird Jesus Christ, quit wasting your fucking time. You're gonna sing the second verse to... No, no! You already did one, get out. He's not doing Freebird, no, it's long, no. Give him like an Ace of Base song. Is that the intro to November Rain, you son of a bitch! No! Scenes from Italian restaurant, no! I'm sorry.

He's gonna air guitar slash his part. Fucking A, he's gonna air piano Billy Joel's solo and I won't have it. So as a kid, her mom Nancy said she loved to be outside. That was her thing. She liked to go out. She said that was her big deal. She had a swing set.

So she liked to be outside in the swing set. She likes to be like, seems like physically active. Doing things, yeah. She likes to move around and do things. And later on we'll find out when she gets drunk She gets really active really yeah when I get drunk. I'm like oh, you know we laugh I'll walk around a little bit, but I'm not like hey, let's go play basketball like that's not I'll throw up Yeah, she goes on a trampoline when she gets I will for sure you are tempting fate right there honestly that is brutal

Cuz what was that drink you're gonna taste it again. Imagine we went and like what we did at the steakhouse there Imagine we had like three martinis and then jumped on a trampoline. We were throwing up anyway Never mind before you call us wusses. They they were really strong That was just basically like glasses of vodka with a fucking olive in it at this place that we go They think they're doing us a favor. Yeah, oh're like, oh, you're gonna like this one. It's just a shitload of vodka, a splash of olive juice, and then a couple olives on a stick. It's crazy.

So we leave drinking like fucking 16 ounces of vodka piece and we're like, I don't feel so good. I had martinis. Why do I feel like I drank a quart of vodka? Three drinks, but wow, I don't see so nice right now. That's how we were though, we were a mess. Yeah, I shouldn't have eaten all that food. That's how we were.

I need more food, I didn't have enough. Yeah, Jesus, I think I gotta put more food on top of that. So Cat's parents are Nancy and John Martin, and they say when she was in Florida, that's when she grew up in Florida, they say she was she doted on her dolls all the time as like some little girls are really maternal with their dolls. They want the dolls that shit and they have to feed and everything, which is strange. I was I as a I don't know if it's just a boy thing or just the fact that I'm lazy, but I didn't really

want to, I didn't want any doll that needed to be tended to. Like a wrestling figure, you just stand it there. It doesn't shit itself. You don't have to feed it. And he's good until you want to wrestle him. That's it. He'll just hang out. You can throw him in the closet.

He won't cry and shit. None of that. You can get one and he'll be patient until you get the iron cheek to wrestle with him. He'll get there. Nikolai Volkoff will patiently await his tag team partner. It's fine. No one's worried about it. So yeah, they said that and they said she wanted to be a mom someday.

Her dad said when she got a bit older, she wanted to do modeling. And she has a real kind of Marilyn Monroe obsession from a young age. She's real into Marilyn Monroe. And there's women who are real into Marilyn Monroe and women who don't give a shit about Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I don't think there's much in the middle of that.

There's not in the middle. No, they're either like, oh, I don't like her, or they're like, oh my God, she's the most iconic, whatever the fuck, so wherever you fall, it doesn't matter. A lot of people just go, yes, she it doesn't matter she's fine yeah now she her friend Brittany says she kind of looked like her and she tries to recreate some of her photos and her hairdos and a lot of her pictures she has like the that up to the blonde like platinum blonde bright red lipstick

titties out boobs pop in that sort of thing and she tries to like replicate So it's like some of her clothing is like that she'll wear It's like it's that kind of early 60s kind of like that kind of dress Not the pinup girl show no no the pinup girl shits different Okay, the pinup girl shit is a completely different not necessarily rockabilly stuff I'm no pinup girl is is more like hanging in a motorcycle shop or some shit, whereas this is more like, yeah, this is more like that early 60s kind of classy,

attempt at whatever. White and black stripes, that shit? That type of shit, or like the little flowy skirt, with the, you know, that type of shit. More, less grease under the fingernails than a Pin-Up Girl. A little more Gidget on on the beat a pin-up girl looks like she'd jerk you off and your dick would be dirty when it Was over you'd be like what'd you get on there? That's not like that. I think I think I prefer that that's fine. Oh, yeah, I'm not saying it's a bad thing

I'm just saying filthy is great. I'm just saying that I that's what she's not Marilyn Monroe It's a different thing. I kind of want to scrub my balls and go, is that 10W30? What is that? Yeah, no, the Marilyn girls look like they would be like, ew. Yeah, that's grease. Not grease. Ew.

Something came out. It is grease. Whereas I feel like the rockabilly girl is like, where are you gonna put it? Yeah, she just rubs it on her face. You don't have to shoot it up. Where are you putting it? You don't have to shoot it. Put it in my hand.

You don't want me to aim it, I feel like. Up or down. Put it in my hand, I'll put it where it goes. Oh, don't worry about it. Yeah. So she's into Marilyn now. Her friend said she was obsessed with Marilyn Monroe and tried to emulate her in every way. Her pictures were definitely like that.

And her friend said, and this is not shocking, when you have the two, here's two statements that she made, and one definitely piggybacks the other. She was obsessed with Marilyn Monroe and was trying to emulate her in every way. There were some self-esteem issues there with her, which there were some self-esteem issues with Marilyn too, so that makes a lot of sense. She craved adulation from people whether she knew them or not. What is that? She wanted, that's every person online now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Instagram. Fuck shit.

That's Instagram. That's full of it. Like let me ask you this. If Instagram Tomorrow didn't show likes or follower counts, would you even bother posting on it? If I didn't know who I'm reaching, no. No, see what I mean? Fuck no, I'm out. There you go.

That tells you why you're there. Then the only reason I'm in there is because of the show and I wanna be able to try to advertise as much as I can or show that, you know, people are gonna see that the show's up, whatever, just that's all it's for yeah I don't understand somebody with 20 fucking followers posted everything about their life that I don't that's why they have 20 followers There's no one cares about their life. It's not interesting to people at all No one cares what about but that website is full of those people. No, that's what I mean

So that's that's yeah, that's just what we've all as a not taking shots it's a lottery that like the dream is that that shit creates a Fucking two million follower account. Yeah, I mean, I think the dream for everybody is that they that can be their job now Yeah, you know what I mean? How many people bought a fucking van and straight to drive around in the Sierra Nevadas or whatever as a you know It's like that was we're gonna be Instagram people now somebody just said there was a study 12 million quote-unquote Influencers are on Instagram. I still don't know. What's the fucking definition? What does that mean? Yeah? I don't know what's what's the low end. What's the fucking floor of followers for an influencer? Yeah? Yeah

I mean everybody thinks they're an influencer, so who knows? So the dad said, you tell her she's beautiful and she'd say, you're just my mom and dad. Yeah, she doesn't believe anybody. No. So she's and she's very pretty and needs to be told it a lot. That's the thing. Yeah, she needs to she needs it. Her parents said her feelings of isolation and self doubt and depression would spiral

out of control because she was so freaked out about everything. Wow. Her mom said, I don't know how many different places we took her. She went to a lot of counseling. Really? Yeah. And the parents are doing the right thing. Yeah.

Number one, they're there. They're paying attention. And there's counseling involved. There's some therapy. They're telling her, hey, you're beautiful. And then they're saying, okay, that doesn't work. Let's take you to counseling. So I mean, that's really, and for back then because she heard she was born in

75 yeah so she's a teenager like 1990 yeah at that point it was like you know fix your shit it was more like there was less counseling and more like tough love at that time and shit like that like your kid just needs a discipline that's what they need but i mean that that that's nice that they recognize that person has existed since the dawns time Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, remember summer rental the chick got that hot chick with the amazing tits. Yeah showing them to everybody Yeah, and the husband's like just tell her they're nice cuz shit. It's all she wants to hear. Yeah That person exists everywhere. They're always Gorgeous people. Marilyn Monroe was that person. I mean that's and And she got it. Everybody told her and she still didn't get it.

She fucking married several famous people and it was a huge movie star and you know. Didn't matter. Was iconic and everything else. Fucked the president. I mean fucked the president, which I mean what's that worth at this point? I guess you can do that at any time now.

Yeah or for the last, I think ever really. Yeah. Yeah you could've, I don't think fucking the president was as big an accomplishment as people thought it was. It was much of a task Now that we know what people did back in the day and forever were like, I think these guys just fucked Whoever's like it's pretty easy. Her parents said she was battling bipolar disorder and drinking too much Oh, so those two things don't go together. Well, no, that's bad. It's self-medicating

Yeah for bipolar with alcohol just Tends to extend the depression times. Which isn't good at all. She's just taking a willy-nilly medication for depression or was it like prescribed? No, she was not. She's just drinking. That's what I mean. She had bipolar and she was drinking.

Oh no. So she's unmedicated and drinking. So it's kind of tough for her. But she's starting to get her shit together by about 2004 she's 29 is when her life kind of comes together through her 20s. She really was had a lot of problems I mean she was just a lot of depression problems drinking problems some issues that her parents were trying to help her out We're very normal though, right? No, you're 20 in 20s to try to to not know who you are and find yourself That's yes, that's the time to unravel and then ravel back up again

Yeah, the 30s are supposed to be your 20s with money figure out your 20s Well, you're 30s who the hell makes money in their 30s anymore Yeah, you've gone to college You meant if you're like a responsible person Yeah, I thought you man I was thinking like we're people like us. You thought us trash? No, not trash. No, we didn't have shit. So this happened at a 2004 Super Bowl party here and that's where she met a guy She smitten for here. He's a guy named William Jeffrey West And he goes by Jeff. So Jeff West.

Billy Jeff. Billy Jeff West. Jeff West, which sounds like an old West sheriff. I'm Jeff West and I'm gonna clean this town up. Batman's son. Jeff West. This is my son, Jeff. I'm sorry, Robin, we're gonna put you on the shelf for a while.

We're gonna put Jeff in there. Adam West is like, his voice is just like a little straighter Goldblum. Kinda, yeah, yeah. Goldblum is a little more flamboyant, that's all it is. Well, Goldblum has more of the, he has more of like, Paws and draw out. He has like a walk-in thing once in a while,

where he's like, so I was walking to the store, and you know what I mean? He'll pop that out in there and his eyes drag a word out forever Yeah, and then a long pause and then hit you with a word for no reason. I don't talk a really fast sentence like this Yeah I was thinking Like that's a he's really his I was thinking it's all this is him has changed the pace He's like a pitcher who's yeah,ball is 96 and the next one is 92. He's hard to hit. That's what I mean. He's good like that. I was thinking... Now I throw another fastball.

It's crazy. He throws it in there. There you go. You just figured out Jeff Goldblum. That's Jeff Goldblum. That's his whole thing that he does. Now, Nancy, that's Kat's mom, said they fell in love on their first date. Is that? Well, Jesus. Somebody did.

I guess so. You can't do both, right? It was really love at first sight, she said. It really was. For all of us. And within a year they're getting married. God damn. I mean they like, they're both like 30 too.

I think it's one of those things where they're looking for someone. You mean a smoke show that doesn't know she's a smoke show. You better marry her tomorrow. Oh she knows she's a smoke show Oh, yeah, that's why she yeah Yes, that's she just needs it. She needs it That's if you put your if you take sexy pictures yourself and put them on Instagram It's not cuz you think you're ugly, you know, or put them on OnlyFans even more you want people to pay for right?

It's not cuz you think you're ugly Instagram you're giving it away for free. Yeah. And that person even knows. I think maybe her thing is like, I'm tired of everyone wanting to fuck me and not wanting to be with me might be the thing of her. So Jeff West is a local army recruiter at the time when they meet.

So he's a military guy and kind of a straight-laced kind of a cat. And they get married in Las Vegas. There we go, gonna have that. In 2005, they are going to have a daughter as well here, named Lola. So they're gonna move around the country with Jeff's job. Like, an army recruiting, if you're successful,

that just means you're gonna really move a lot. They're gonna just put you in wherever they need you, so that's a tough gig. Yeah, if you're good for it, they want you in every state, getting more and more of these boys. I would assume if you're a recruiter, you wanna stay in the mediocre range. So you can kinda stay in the, hey, that's not too good here.

If you like the school your kids are in, just dial it down a little bit, let a couple of fish go. That's it, yeah, you definitely, you don't wanna be a superstar in this scenario. Throw a couple back. Okay, good, now we're gonna move you to a terrible place where we can't get anybody to join the army even. Have you heard of Fargo?

That's where you're going. So they move all around with the daughter. Her friend, Kat's friend, said Lola was her light, Lola was her gift, and she adored her daughter. Which, I mean, she's always wanted a baby, so this is like, finally, and she's like, you know, 30 years old too, it's a good time for her to have a baby, I would think.

It's 2005. 2005? 2005. Yeah, that's when they had the kid, huh? That's an interesting time to name a kid Lola. Lola. That was early for that one. L-O-L-A Lola, yeah.

Yeah, that's why they, or maybe late. Oh, yeah. That's, she's born in 75. Her parents listen to Classic rock on the radio. She's heard that song a million times. Quite a bit and it's stuck in her head and she's like, hello. But I mean like, because that's a popular name now. It is, which is strange.

Lila and Lola, both of them. But I think she got in early. That's very early, yeah. 2005. So, 2007 comes along and they end up filing for bankruptcy. Oh, no. While living in Cartersville, Georgia, which in 2007 there was quite a few people. 2007 comes along and they end up filing for bankruptcy while living in Cartersville, Georgia, which in 2007 there was quite a few people

filing for bankruptcy. If they weren't, they were just giving shit back and blowing up their whole lives. Just giving shit back like I did with a house. Here you go. You can have this back. Luckily the mortgage company we had was under a huge investigation.

Oh, that's great. Fuck you. Take that back. I've never heard another word about it. Didn't fuck my credit or anything. Is that right? I short-sailed one and it fucked me for seven years. Now the mortgage company was like completely being taken apart by the federal governments

because they did all sorts of illegal shit so they couldn't like do anything. Wow. It's like the loans were all like not technically legal, I guess, whatever. So we were just like wow You can have that incredible peace out late took my house fucked my credit And then there was a he lock that they didn't satisfy before giving the money to them. This is entertaining This is what they want to hear is Is everyone listening to a murder podcast? I hope someone brings up their HELOC.

Ah, that's great. I was just going to say they washed it because they didn't have the paperwork for it. Because it was in 2008 when they gave it to me. Oh, is it a mess? So they didn't have the paperwork, so they called me and were like, we have to forgive this. And I was like, like, that's great! Sounds good, thanks.

I used that to buy a motorcycle. Whoops. Good, I didn't have it to give you anyway. Thank you. So yeah, they go in and they do the same thing. 2007, Cartersville, Georgia, they go bankrupt and the case is handled very routinely. It's closed within months. At that point, this was very common.

Bankruptcies were popping left and right. So they end up, at some point here they move to Southern California. And this is in 2011 they live here. They moved to Southern California and I guess her friend Brittany Dreisler, the one who's been talking about her, I guess her husband was thinking of enlisting in the army. Oh, I know a guy. I don't know how old he is. Right. I know a guy that could use you. Yeah, my like 37 year old husband is, doesn't know what to do with themselves. So well, he's not really our top. I perhaps it's perhaps his credits fucked. I can't get a job. That's what I'm thinking. I don't want

soldiers that are like if you've been in the army, but you can't just show up at 37. Yeah, you're gonna your knees are gonna hurt the fuck out of here You've got a you look yeah, you got a he lock to worry about you got all sorts of shit going on I got a mortgage. You know what I mean? No these no, I don't want no showing up all complaining. Yeah 37 year olds that's when it starts to fall apart Yeah, you can't sleep in the shit that they give them to sleep in it's gonna hurt You need a special pillow next your neck's messed up. They don't give you that.

There's a bombing and you've got to go out and with a... It takes me a minute to stretch. You've got to be 19 or else it doesn't work. So anyway, that's at the recruiting station. Brittany said that Jeff West basically convinced her husband right away to join the army. Yeah, that's it. And they said, Brittany said her first impression of Jeff, he was just super reassuring and nice. He was just nice. And

so this is how they met. This wasn't Kat's friend to begin with. Her husband, she walked in with her husband on a recruiting station, met him, they hit it off. So Jeff invited them over to hang out come bring your wife. Come on. Yeah. Yeah, so They came over to the house cat answered the door and they have a baby and she's dressed up nice and it looks like the perfect little family Brittany said that she was just in her tank top and shorts and really happy and bubbly. Hey girl right off the bat She was like you want a drink? Yeah.

This is the house you want to go to. This is so fun. You walk in and they're putting drinks in your hand. That's good stuff here. Brittany said they look like a real happy couple. They said those kind of like they were an unlikely couple. Yeah. Basically.

And she, we'll put it this way, if she's a nine, he's about a five and a half. So all right It's one of those straight-laced military and straight-laced military. So they're like, this is a weird How did you two like he's not rich or anything? like what's up with that Brittany said quote seeing how cat carried herself and what she looked like and then seeing Jeff and She takes a pause and goes I know opposites a trap which means I mean she's he's a troll is what she said she said put a horn on his head and call him a unicorn and the kids could ride him at the

fucking strawberry festival because he's a monster wow the hideous monster she said she said I know opposites attract but I was like that guy pulled that girl Hmm. Yeah, she said you never know it really made and that really never made sense to me until I started to get to know them More. Oh, I mean it was to the point where you go at your wife. Holy shit Where'd you get her from? Yeah, which you know, that's swinging a little bit above his weight class. Awesome say there I mean good for him, but also that's stressful. It is, yeah. We're not good at handling that, guys.

No. We need someone that we feel like is in our range. Yes. Oh, believe me, I can appreciate an incredibly hot woman, but I know that that's not for me. Yeah, you look at that and you go, ah good for whoever gets to ride that ride like basketball players They're trying to fuck her. I have no much of a chance here

So well that look I just know that I'm beneath the minimum height requirement for that ride Every time I see it. I just go. I can't wait till one day. I grow up. Yeah, that's that's yeah Well those it's to hang on to that Yes, like a woman like that is hard and it's not a lot of guys have the confidence for that Especially if they're hideous and if you can manage that fuck good for you high five daddy Oh, but most of the time you're either very handsome or very wealthy. Yeah, so for a guy who's not very handsome or very wealthy He's he has got some yeah fucking confidence. He must have a hammer on him, but you know, that's the other Confidence looks money hammer and probably in that order it looks money hammer Probably in that order I'm gonna say

Goldblum answered you It's in that order. I think it's in that order. Probably. So she is asked if, Brittany is asked if she would describe their marriage as a conventional marriage and Brittany laughed and said definitely not. Okay. Yeah, it was, they said that Kat was just so, she was wild. She said she's wild. She said that she would jump from the kitchen counter to the sofa and just shirtless and braless. She's taking her tits out while people are over and leaping from the cow, from the counter to the couch, like a fucking calico and military men.

How do you handle that? That's a lot. It's one thing if you get a woman's hot, whatever, but she's like, here are my tits. Brah! You're like, I can't. I don't know what to do with this. I mean, I don't know.

I know what to do with it for a little while. And then I got it. I know what to do with it for like, I don't know, 30, 40 seconds. And then after that, I don't know what to do with it anymore. I hope you knew what to do with yours, because you're going to be crying a lot. People are. I invited a guy I recruited for the army.

Oh good, I'll get my tits out. Wow. That's wild. And the interviewer said, wait, in front of you and your husband this would happen? And she says, yes. My husband would go, oh my gosh. Yeah, he did. They're like, can we come over here all the time?

This is great. Jesus Christ. It's free. Holy shit I'm gonna join the army the Navy the Marine Corps the Air Force Yeah, anything else you want me to join the Boy Scouts? I'll join them all is there a tip jar to keep this going What a credible what happens if I stop tipping and Jeff's just like that's my life That's what she does Wow, and this there's a baby in the house and everything. She's like, my tits have gotten bigger, yeah. What a great mom. Good for her.

Good for her. So they would hang out at home and they also stayed going out to bars and clubs together, the couples and all that kind of thing. Brittany said she'd be lively and animated and Jeff would be just sitting on the couch, relaxing, having his drink. Wow. It's very weird. Interesting a like a Hugh Hefner relationship like now go on girls go out

Yeah, you know go out and frolic show them your tits girls. Oh show them show them the goods ladies and then I'll be sitting here in my weird smoking jacket So they said that they stay Brittany was asked if the two of them would fight ever and Brittany said cat would fight Jeff would not what does that mean that if you've seen the Sarah Boone trial Oh, I think that's what they're discussing The text messages in that trial everybody do yourself a favor it's all on YouTube the Sarah Boone trial, the text messages. I mean, the video she recorded, you know what happens in between videos or what? I mean, they're all her being aggressive, Sarah Boone being aggressive. It's a drunk girl yelling at a man.

Yeah. And then the one with the video is because she's not drunk, she's mad at him. Wow. He fell asleep. She wouldn't let him in the room. So he was sleeping on the floor in the hallway. And she came out and yelled at him. This is Sarah Boone, not George Torres, not Kat. And she's like, I told you not to go anywhere near me. You're out here and now the whole hallway smells like you. Oh, she's like yelling at him to get I don't love you.

Get the hell out of here. She's sober. She's well, she says you drank there was enough vodka there for two people to feel real nice and you drank it all She's mad cuz he drank her vodka went through her forcing to get to his it's wild But text messages are different and text messages. You can see exactly what everybody says and it is just her haranguing this guy and him saying fucking I love you. I don't know what happened. I'm sorry, what did I do?

And she's just like you don't even, you Puerto Rican piece of shit. Like shit, you're like what the fuck? Yeah, Slade, he's crazy. Fuck you. Then she'll text the guy's mother and be like he's a piece of shit, you should come pick him up. He's 40 something years old.

You're like wow, it's crazy. So Kat would fight, Jeff would not, I'm not saying Kat is like Sarah Boone. I'm just saying that reminded me. I just watched the trial. She said Kat would get emotional. When she was drunk, she would get loud. That's normal.

She would get feisty is the way she put it. Girl, you gotta be so specific. Feisty, when you say a woman who's drunk gets feisty, you know that guy version of that. A gal is a pain in the ass. A dude punches shit. They're violent, yeah. But he would sit there and just say, okay boo boo, okay, I love you, all right baby girl.

She'd go crazy and yell at him and he'd go, all right, all right, I love you, I love you, which is kind of what George Torres did too. So she said, you know, she said she never, he was never ever jealous though. It was never any put your tits away, none of that. He's got a lot of confidence, I'll say. And one other friend said, that surprised me because I don't think many men would feel that way

about that. No, your ultra hot wife with her tits out, a lot of guys would be like, oh, Jesus, I don't think many men would feel that way about that. No. Your ultra hot wife with her tits out. A lot of guys would be like, oh, Jesus, I don't like this at all. So 2014, they moved to Alabama. Here they come. Lock, stock, and barrel moving right into Alabama here. And he got a job as a campus police officer at a college here, so that's where they hang out.

He's done with the military now. Apparently, maybe he's retired He's probably yeah, I've been in for 20 years at this point. I doubt they're sending him to this little town. Yeah recruiter No, I mean if he's what we're thinking here 20 ways He's 40 at this plane right been in for 20 probably just 20 and get the fuck out so he's a campus police officer here and They all the couple always makes time to be together They have regular date nights and they try to keep this marriage cooking along it's

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You'll know quick there's also photos photos of her wedding though and her and her husband and you know her and her husband and her and her daughter playing in the snow and shit like that so it's not amongst the boudoir no no not really boudoir on here okay here it's just like selfies and people like oh you're hot got it and then but it's not like she's not trying to present herself as like I'm single and hot she's like I'm'm a wife and mom. Here's my husband. Here's also what I look like alone, but I'm pretty smoking at the same time So she posts all that kind of shit her personal personal description though included the word exhibitionist in there Oh girl, and she doesn't mean art. I don't think she means Counters six sofas.

She had a private Instagram account with 52,000 followers. Doing great! That linked, that just linked to OnlyFans, though. Really? So she'd have her site there where she'd post some teasing shit, and then she would have,

it would link you to OnlyFans that would say you'd go here for naughty fun. Doggone. And some of the images Were included in a site for also mature hotties She's trying to get into the milk market. Yeah So she posted similar content on Twitter here where she joined about 2016 she started posting in March and She would just initially tweet links to a site where she sold clothes to she sold dresses coats shoes and kids clothing

I don't know if she resold shit or did like whatever the fuck so What do they call that? Are you up thrift? Is that it? I I don't know that seems douchey It's where you like take shit and then you make you go to goodwill and then sell it for three dollars No, you go to goodwill and then you customize it and sell it. Oh you customize that's that be like Etsy then Yeah, yeah, I don't know so on August 11th though it all changed When it turned into never mind baby clothes anymore. She tweeted happy frisky Friday. Let's get this party started I'm done fucking around with a link to only fans. Yeah happy frisky Friday. Let's get this party started. I'm done fucking around.

With a link to OnlyFans. There you go. Happy frisky Friday. Who wants to see my tits? Is what it was there. So the description included a link to a wish list page where viewers could purchase lingerie for her. Yeah. And then she'll wear it for you.

Oh, boy. How fucking, ah. Why are we doing this? Why isn't there a- And we, I mean men. Yeah. Why isn't there a- We don't get to touch that person. Why are we giving them lingerie? I've got a wish list full of snap-on tools.

Buy those for me and watch me work on my car. That's all. Nobody wants that. No, I would hope not. I wish they would. I mean, I'm sure there are women that have weird car fantasies. Are there? Do you think there are some that would want to watch you work on something?

Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, women love that shit. Did I just start something? No, that's pretty huge. Does that actually work? I mean, I'm sure there are women that have weird car fantasies. Do you think there are some that would want to watch you work on something? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Women love that shit. Did I just start something? No, that's pretty huge. Does that exist? Yes, absolutely.

Does it really? Yes. Yes. You just invented something that's been around for a long time. People pay to watch people work on cars? Yes. They pay to watch people sleep. They pay to watch people do everything. Yes. There's a, there is a niche. If you can think of a niche, it exists. God damn. I'm late. There's people making more money than you could ever fathom Making doing anything doing it 2000 and late and 2000 and broke fucking that's what it goes, man So she this is you can see sex sexier images here for

1599 a month That's pretty good deal. That's I mean that's like Hulu with no ads and that's like. That's three of us by the way. That's yeah, that's three Patreon. I think we put out more. Our tits aren't there, but our episodes are better. We put more work, right? I would then, yes, yes.

Absolutely. If I had tits, that's what I'd be doing, but I don't. So Jeff, most of the time he was the photographer for these. So that's how much he didn't mind He was the one taking the fucking pictures. He was helping her and you know, um, like Suggesting poses for and shit like this looks sexy do that over and she had hundreds of paying subscribers I've known her as kitty cat West Hundreds paying $16 a month. She's making a fucking. Her friend said she was very out loud about it.

She was making money. So there's a weird thing when stuff happens in this case where lots of press accounts say double life. There's no double life. It's one life. I mean, yeah, during the day she's a mom and getting her kid fucking Cheerios and shopping up fruit and shit, but then at night she's taking her tits out. But it's not a double life. Everyone knows about it. She's not just two jobs That's all her husband is involved in it. Her friends know about it It's not she posted on her public pages on Twitter. She has two jobs that are polar opposites of each other. That's all

Yeah, she's a mom and she shows her tits. She's like that. She's like Batman. She's like 65% of women, I think. She's Batman is what she is. Doing nice boring work during the day and at night. She's having the fun. Doing the Lord's work at night. So now OnlyFans, little bit of background for OnlyFans here, it has become a huge deal for celebrities. The amount of money that people make on OnlyFans is staggering. It's staggering.

There's actresses that go on there that make more fucking money on there than they do in their whole careers acting. It's insane. And a bunch of them don't even show anything. No, that's the other thing. They don't even show anything. What is that?

What are we paying for? Anyone, I don't know why anyone would pay for nude pictures of anyone at this point when there's free porn all over the place. Twitter is just porn now. Yes. Actual porn James. Cock money shots.

Actual porn. Well that's in between 8 trillion political posts. So that's all Twitter is now, it's just political posts. Aggressive political posts and then a cock shooting jizz everywhere. Yay. Wow, boy did this turn out great! This is looking good. So this, I guess the big thing was that made this big was the Bella Thorne thing when she went on there. She was a Disney star. Oh. And then when she was older

she went on there. She made a million dollars on the first day posting quote lifestyle content. Not showing her pussy no just post and here's hear me area having spaghetti yep so and then it became also then obviously there's women who do yeah outside girl yeah I mean there's women who do that's just a porn site that they do yeah they do their porn on there so um yeah she that girl also like a million dollars. She also sells, like makes a lot of money in music. Yeah, that's just terrifying. She sells quote unquote rap.

Yeah. And then fist fucks herself. I don't know, man. She's well, I mean, fist fucking yourself. That's something that takes talent. She, I don't want to hear her rap. I don't need. No, I don't really want to watch her fist fuck herself either.

But I mean, I don't want either of those things. That seems like a product that's not aimed at me man, so the They also say that like there's a bunch of people there's a former teacher in a YouTube video telling people that she quadrupled her income Posting nudes on only fans. She said I would wear things that allow me to feel sexy because when I feel sexy I feel powerful That's when I make you get A's. That's when you're gonna get A's and B's right there. Here another woman saying she's working her way through a neuroscience master's program.

It's amazing. That's fucking amazing. It's changing the world. That is hilarious here. Also a Minnesota pastor left the pulpit to go on OnlyFans and made a shitload of money. Stop it. Yes, because that's a real good business to you could do that Yeah, if you're now these college like if you're a college chick athlete, they all like do only fans with like, you know team gear around them

There are girls cuz now they're allowed to do that Yeah There are college athlete girls that you've never heard of that play volleyball or soccer or something that make fucking millions of dollars a year Millions of millions on fingering yourself on a georgia bulldog. I don't know if they're fingering themselves They might just be doing their homework. That's the thing. Yeah, you don't know that's fucking nuts. So So Brittany said cat when not behind the website was not always confident So, Brittany said Kat, when not behind the website, was not always confident. On the outside, not confident, but on the website. What's that cams on?

She's killing it. Once you can edit photos how you want and take the angle you want and everything, then she feels confident. And she said, yes, you have your husband, but you always want to be pretty to others. And remarkably, Jeff seemed to love it, Brittany said. Loved that other guys paid attention to her because that made him feel like a big man Yeah, he's winning. Look at me. They want her I got I get to have yeah So she said Jeff got the best of both worlds. He was able to be with his wife

She got what she wanted which was to get to make my which was to get to make money I get to show off what I have and he's not gonna leave me. Everybody's happy. He wants to see tits She wants her tits out. Yeah doesn't care who looks at him. She has a not gonna leave me. Everybody's happy. He wants to see tits, she wants her tits out, doesn't care who looks at them, she has a mind showing to people, everybody's happy. Great, good for you. That's fine. Imagine. 2018, her online shit really ramped up though. She's pretty much, you know, posting everything, OnlyFans is her big thing now. And Britney said she was starting to get knee deep in that type of industry. I think she started to see money rolling in it was like well if I do more I make more money That's you know how you do with everything right so I mean go get a hot dog stand

You know if I get two hot dog stands I make even more money Start a podcast let's start to do fucking five more and then let's do patreon and then let's never sleep And then let's fucking record every goddamn day and every day and every day and every day Then with only fans Should get providers Should get subscribers and she could communicate with them and subscribers to make requests with her and all that kind of sure sure That's how it's going. That's going to leading up to 2018 December 20th, 2017 here.

Here are some texts between Jeff and Kat. Yeah. Okay. This is December 20th, like I said. Five days before Christmas. Yeah. This is getting in the Christmas spirit. This is some real Christmas spirit stuff right here.

There's some tension. When your wife sends you this right before Christmas, you're going to go, this is going to be a good holiday. I'm getting nothing. Quote, show me now or it is goodbye. No more games, never doing this holiday again with you. It goes the same every year. My family treats you like family,

your family treats me like shit. It says shut, I believe, oh, it says shut, I believe it's a typo. Okay, I Done with you being too scared to stand up for your to your mom for being a bitch after almost 14 years of promises You have to want to be with me. I love you. You don't love me Your mom's a bitch your mom's a bitch that now That's this is a tough one. Yeah, this is a tough one. This is a tough one. My first wife and my mother... Didn't get along?

My mother... No, they don't get along. So my mother, she's great, but she will... She's tough. She's an Italian lady named Angela. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. She's from the fucking Bronx. Her mother stabbed people. She's not, she's meant for conflict. And so like my ex-wife would get angry that I would not defend her and I'm like, you two don't even need to talk.

I don't need to be in the, if you can't get along, just don't even talk. And apparently that was unacceptable. And I was supposed to, I was supposed to like, you're going to make me make a bridge between them and like I was just like just ignore her leave her alone she'll leave you alone let's stop it and I don't know if I was wrong or not but see some cranberry sauce really get the fuck out of here I really didn't have time for that bullshit is what it was I'm trying to make noodles get out yeah go so I wouldn't fight with her that was my yeah I moved out so I don't have to leave me alone I try not to fight with her that's I wouldn't fight with her. That was my advice. I moved out so I don't have to fight with her. Leave me alone.

I try not to fight with her. I don't know what to tell you. I'm gonna tell you how I approach this. You know my mother, she's like a force of nature. There's no stopping her. You can't stop her. Perhaps she's changing now because she's always so sweet. Oh, she's a sweetheart.

But she never stops. She's like a fucking, like flood waters. Like, just get out of the way. It's coming. It's coming. So tough shit. So January 4th, 2018, right after the holidays here, Kat texts her husband, I know you're scared to tell me you don't want to be with me, but it's only hurting me more by lying.

And then she said, if you don't want me, if you don't want me say it, he replied, baby, I want you. Do you want me? We never really talked after New Year's Eve. Oh my. So I don't know why they're, yeah. Two weeks now. Two weeks, well, after New Year's Eve. So in three days, they haven't talked,

haven't talked about this or haven't talked at all. What the fuck? It's weird. So on January 6th, 2018, she said, this is the last time you will fuck me over. You promised. You don't want me, fine, someone will. And he said, I always want you.

And then she wrote, you're throwing almost 14 years of marriage away. Really? That's what I mean to you. And then she sent him a're throwing almost 14 years of marriage away. Really? That's what I mean to you. And then she sent him a middle finger emoji. Fantastic. I just started using it. The height of maturity.

That's good stuff. Another time she wrote, stop texting during the conversation. So the middle finger emoji that is, okay, imagine your grandparents. Everyone out there, imagine your grandma and your grandpa. And they're fighting. And they're sending letters to each other. And they're sending letters with a drawn middle finger on it. I went, there you go, Harold.

And they're like, listen, Alice, I tried my best. Stop writing back. I will not accept delivery of your postage. Middle finger. Draw. Draw. Return to sender. Middle finger on it.

There you go. That's how you had to do it back then. It took three days. Ah, that's incredible. So January 12th, by January 12th, 2018, it seems like everything is okay again. Okay. Because they're having a date night So I don't know if they're trying to yeah talk to each other. Maybe they're taking a date night to go talk about it

I don't know what they're doing here But earlier in the day cat tweets a link to sell a woman's wool jacket that day Okay, so she's got some shit for sale with this jacket a few days earlier She posted a lingerie photo showing her her bare ass to her adult site there. Yeah it's a g-string type deal. Sure. You see your ass though. I don't know when as a society we decided as long as your butthole is covered I don't see your ass but I see your ass. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying your ass is on full display. And sometimes the asshole gets on. I don't and sometimes the asshole gets off the

asshole scene sometimes sometimes the ring around the asshole is seen and it's like you're seeing your asshole you're seeing peripheral asshole that's just cuz wrinkles are covered doesn't mean I don't see your ass no I see yeah I see that you tried to bleach it but still it's seen when you seen them all I know what that looks like it's right there side of a butthole my darling he got side hole out oh my darling big butthole side wrinkles Jesus side butthole wrinkles so that day also he said he took their daughter Lola to middle school sure and then spent the rest of the day hunting with his father, William Gerald West. So there you go. He's hunting when he got home.

That's when Grandpa, Jeff's dad, took Lola to spend the weekend with her grandparents, which wasn't uncommon. That's a nice thing, then they get a weekend alone together. I'm gonna solve problems with your mom. She's 12 at this point. By the time you get home, it's gonna be a happy house. Plus, by the time you get home, you can't have a 12 year old in the house while you're doing a lingerie photo

shoot with your ass out probably. I don't think so. Ma, is that side rank? What is that? Ma, I can see side, no. Ma, that's side rank, I see it. I see side, I see wrinkles. I see where the color changes. Ma, seriously. You have a wider butthole than I think you're aware of Ma, I don't think you realize. picture your butthole is very narrow, but it's actually a decent width. You need a fatter band on that thong. Never been. That's how it goes.

So Jeff and Kat go to dinner at the Red Zone Bar and Grill. Oh yeah. That sounds trashy. I like it like they're gonna like on Saturdays. You can't even get in there when the Alabama games on you can you can smell the beer mat. Oh, yeah I picture it like tosos or worse Yeah, but yeah that smell that smell that stale beer and like old grease and Kitchen workers fucking each other in the bathroom and shit like that you walk in and you go. What is it?

What is that? Is that bathroom or is it? Is it old grease? Is that grease chump or piss? Is that stale beer or piss? Oh, it's a lovely potpourri is what it is. It's a combination of the three, thank you. That's nice, it's a lovely candle. What a gift.

So her friend, Kat's friend said they go out to a restaurant, they have some drinks and dinner. And yeah, so after dinner, they stopped at a liquor store. Oh, yeah. And security cameras show them shopping and they look to be happy. They're not, nobody's angry, no hands in pockets. They're like laughing or hands are moving. We went to, uh, we went to a sports bar and we left that. Now we're getting more booze to go home. Hell yeah. So you get, so tie went on. That's good shit. So yeah, it looks like they're having... Yeah, so I mean this is a Friday night for the kidless couple here.

So it shows them purchasing what appears to be a bottle of Lucid Absinthe and another bottle. So two bottles here and everything seemed fine. At one point on the video, even Pat's are on the ass a couple of times. So if you're patting on the ass things are going well in your relationship if she's like middle finger emoji So after drinks and dinner, that's when they stop it's R&R wine and liquor is where they stopped and they got absinthe She picked out the absinthe. He got himself Jameson whiskey She picked out the absinthe, he got himself Jameson whiskey. Jesus.

My God, he is going to town. That's a man. He's drinking like fucking McNulty. Yeah, drinking like he's got something to forget. Like a divorced homicide detective, that's what you're drinking like. Who's behind on his child support. Out of the bottle. Wow, the total was 139 bucks.

Yeah, that absinthe is expensive shit. It's expensive shit. And so is Jameson. It's all expensive. Jameson's like9 bucks. Yeah, that absinthe is expensive shit. So is Jameson. Jameson's liquor is expensive anyway. Jameson's like $40, $50 a bottle though. If you flick it and it's glass, it's going to cost you. If it's plastic, it's shit. You'll feel awful tomorrow. $12.99, forget about it. So then they stopped at the grocery store to pick up an energy drink, a mixer. Maybe I don't know Maybe they're just getting tired. Yeah, I went on for the night here Then they went back to their home in Calera where they each had approximately six drinks

God damn, this is after they were already drinking. Yeah, so that's drunk their part I tell you when they take the kids away. This is as a person with kids, you know, you're like kids go Yeah, that's a lot of drinks. That's a lot of drinks later on after all these drinks cat changes into lingerie And asked Jeff to take pictures of her that's for the online shit. Yeah now we're drunk in your lingerie You're gonna be fucking it's gonna be great. Very little hotter than a super drunk chicken Well, if it's your wife, it's fine. Yeah, but until she bends over, doesn't touch the carpet,

and then her face just plows right in the ground. At least you have it recorded, so no one thinks you did it. I mean, it's not your fault. Yeah, I don't want her falling down and having bruises that she can blame on me. That's what I mean. No, you don't want that.

You don't want her to fall anyway, but still. So Jeff photographed Kat for her site, and that's how it went. She was wearing a pink bra, multicolored panties, and pink stiletto heels. Shit, yeah. Pictures were taken about 9.30, and Jeff said he then went to bed by himself.

Oh. That night he posted a bottle, he posted a picture of the absent bottle standing up on the counter at some point on his Instagram page for some reason. When you're drunk you think that's a good idea. Everybody's gonna be so impressed. He's gonna be like, wow, he's drinking. This guy's doing it. So the next morning at 5 a.m. is when Makorsha Purifoy is on her way to work at the fast food restaurant. And she said she saw a person what she thought was lying halfway in the road. She got her parents came back and Makorsha said her body was frozen like frozen.

I was traumatized. I was just in the car crying. She was only wearing a sports bra is what she said so her mother called 911 and The mother said they asked us they asked to see if she was breathing or not and she wasn't and so we just waited For the police to get there. She just she tells 911 operator. She's face down with no clothes on the lady looks dead Oh my god dead nude lady. Yeah. I know you guys are busy sometimes as I've heard from a review but could you comes now possibly? Face down ass up all blue. All blue. Comes. Dead. Yeah. So they said you could hear her saying ma'am over the 911 trying to wake her up but but she's obviously got no response. And she said her husband touched the woman

and saw no signs of light to see if she was cold or just whatever, you could tell from touching that person. There's no information here. No, that's not good. She said she noticed the lights were on in the house across the street, which was the West Home. Oh, it's her house. That's the West Home here,

and said the front door was opened This is the Marcosha's mom through which she could see a man pacing back and forth Now there was also a booze bottle. It's the absinthe bottle is near this is cats body and it's right near cats body and And it was on top of a cell phone. So the bottle is on top of the cell phone laying there which is strange. Now the the woman who called 911 told the dispatcher she could see a man inside this house right here pacing back and forth in front of the window.

Maybe that has something to do with it. Perhaps connected. We don't know. So really interesting and they said the liquor bottle, there's no way this is like an accident. It has to be placed on top of the cell phone for it to go that way. So the police are obviously gonna treat this as a homicide for now. They treat everything as a homicide but Jeff here, no comment from him obviously. He's in the house fucking pacing so the first officer gets there and it is officer Fred Yarenko and

He said he was among the first officers on the scene and also served as the evidence technician which is strange because they usually have a Set person that is that's what they do Yeah, like this is like this is just short straws to see who's gonna have to fucking collect. First arrivals to start cataloging. That's not good. No. For murder cases, you need someone who that's what they do. Yeah, but if this is your area, you better get to work.

I suppose. Put on all your hats. Shit. So he said that he noticed the lights on in the West Home and the door open with someone standing inside. While he was talking to the woman who called 911, he showed up, he was talking to them, and he said the door open with someone standing inside. While he was talking to the woman who called 911, as he showed up, he was talking to them, and he said the door closed.

Oh. Now this is odd behavior from Jeff, because he obviously must know his wife's not in the house. Yeah, and he sees cops. Don't know where she is, and now there's cops and shit, and people are gathered around what looks like a white lady laying in the street. Don't talk to me right now.

I'm gathering my thoughts. Real weird shit here. So they said that, um, the, uh, a criminal investigator named Sergeant Mike Melhoff arrived about a half hour later. He said, looking at the scene, Kathleen's head is laying in the road. Her body is actually laying in the grass. Oh, wow. Yeah.

So it's not her feet on the road. It's her head. They said there was something else he noticed right away he said it appeared that the body had been moved more than once. Oh. Which is interesting because she was found lying in a pool of blood and this is right across the street from her house but the cop noticed this investigator noticed that there's another pool of blood nearby. Hmm So either there was a second person. Yeah, or she was moved So next to Katz body her cell phone and an open bottle of absinthe were there Which is interesting and they said the bottle of absinthe was mostly full they testified to the officer would say later on

There was a very optimistic fella. That's it's mostly full There was a cork nearby, and he said he didn't notice any spilled alcohol from the bottle. There was also a matchbox from a restaurant, and that was the restaurant they had been earlier in the night, the Red Zone. And yeah, he said that he thoroughly documented everything.

He said, quote, this was a big deal for us. Sure. It's a small town, you don't usually get a blonde lady dead in the road with no fucking top on. But it seems as though in LA, this would be a big fucking for us. Sure. It's a small town you don't usually get a blonde lady dead in the road with no fucking top on. But it seems as though in LA this would be a big fucking deal. Anywhere this would be a big deal. Yeah. This is just a big deal. Yeah. Generally you find, you know, dead people who their lifestyle doesn't expect you to find them on the side of the road. And be moved. And be moved also. Several blood pools. So the sergeant here said the absinthe bottle,

it was just propped up on the phone, just like that, it's like leaning on it. Like you couldn't make it stay like that, unless you had to set it and go, ah, perfect. So he said it was weird. He said it just did not seem right like that. Said it would have landed in such a way that, there's no way it would have landed in such a way

that it did other than it being staged like that. And that's interesting. And her friend also said it looked staged. And her friend said the bottle was placed on that phone. Well, unless the dude perfect guys did it. By somebody. Yeah. Yeah. So Kat, they look, they take her into the medical examiner. She has a roughly two inch gash on the left side of her head. And the cause of death is blunt force trauma to the head.

So whatever caused that gash broke her skull in basically. They said the injury that she suffered was enough to actually fracture the skull. The autopsy showed signs of sex, but there was no indication of sexual assault. And her blood alcohol level was point two three. That's a hammered gal. Which is up there. Yeah. That's usually you're drinking, which I mean, she's in her own house drinking go crazy. But the medical examiner could not say exactly how that cat sustained the injury. They couldn't never was able to figure it out. The manner of death is ruled undetermined. Really? Because they have no

idea what happened. Is that right? They don't know if it was an accident. Yeah, but a pantsless gal didn't do this to herself. I mean, but if you know her, being pantsless and drunk is just normal for her around the house. For her to get drunk and run around with no pants on is commonplace. That's very normal for her. Now it's very strange. They post, there's, this is a big news story. Sure. And you know, this woman's found, they haven't talked to her husband, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The underneath this article, there's a shitload of comments and I just picked out some weird ones. Oh boy. To hear, to check this out. Somebody said, um, hopefully there are fingerprints on the phone and bottle.

Phone and her home computer will have loads of info So it's trying to get trying to figure out what people are thinking happened here. Somebody else says why is this news? What? What how many how many suburban women are frown dead naked half in the road in front of their own homes? Is that normal really? I don't know. I don't want to hear about it. Why is this news? Wow. Tell me about the strawberry fast. What the fuck? Another guy says risky business to be involved in. How? It's not. No, that's what I mean. She's not out on the street flagging down truckers for blowjobs. This is from her home with her husband taking the pictures. How is that? This is the most safe that you can do. And then says there's a lot of truly evil people roaming or roaming free in

society and that has 22 likes and no dislikes. Is that right? Like how? Another one said quote, so this beautiful young mother dies and people have made it all about some sexual photos she took. Why should she be singled out and shamed when there's so many other people doing it without getting any flack? True. Why is this news? Why is this news? And then somebody says very sad, but how could her husband not know what she was up to? He did know what she was up to, but that's what a lot of people thought was that. So obviously they got to talk to Jeff. Yeah. Because they said Jeff was standing in the doorway. At one point he was on the porch smoking a cigarette and watching the events but not coming over there or saying hey that my wife yeah hey um let me ask you

a question could you guys get out of the way my wife's coming home soon yeah well this is going to be crazy um she kind of looks like that yeah oh shit so they said when the detective spoke to jeff inside he said, his behavior is not what I expected it to be knowing that his wife was outside. He knew his behavior should be crushed. Yeah, you know, whatever. Holy shit. So he said, everybody grieves in a different way, which is true.

Some people are stoic and some people are more shocked and some people are emotional. He said, and that was something I kept telling myself as a cop though, if you get a suspicion, follow that shit. I can't follow my gut. I only do evidence and I can't. I mean, it's not like you're like related to this guy. I just kept telling myself everyone grieves in a different way. It's fine as a cop.

You should be looking for shit to be suspicious about, right? Can't do it. I got to follow the evidence. I just don't want, I don't want people to think I'm being all suspicious of people all the time I don't think I jumped to conclusions when you're a detective people think you're suspicious And I just like to try to make it real comfortable for people all gotta wait until the blood evidence You know how it goes So they said what happened Jeff, and he said I went to bed at 1030

Yeah, I woke up at 5 15 AM. My dogs woke me up barking at all the police lights outside the house. So I woke up, dogs, I was confused. I looked outside. And the cop said he found it very odd that Jeff didn't ask for any details about his wife's condition.

He never said, is she okay? Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she hurt? Nothing? He just was like I Went to bed, then I woke up then but never asked like by the way is she okay? Can I go see her next question next question? They said the detective said I would have thought that he would have at least asked you know can I see her yeah? Something like that so they they don't understand what happened.

They're trying to figure it out. They're wondering, is it an accident? Was she so intoxicated she fell and cracked her head? Or was it murder? Did somebody kill her? So if so, who killed her? So they're trying to figure all this out. They're searching the neighborhood, clues, witnesses.

They take Jeff to headquarters to talk to him. He stays there for about six hours. He said he was absolutely cooperative. He did that. Um, a former cholera police officer and current Shelby County sheriff's deputy. And I feel, I feel for this man because his name is worse than mine. And where he lives, this is tough. Luigi Ragazzoni. Oh yeah. Oh, what it is. Luigi. tough Luigi Ragazzoni. Oh, yeah

Wow a ragazzoni actually Luigi said he was on the scene documenting the list of first responders and of course taking a lot of shit where people are telling Me get a mushroom and saying I guess you're late to save the princess Yeah, whenever he shows up at a crime scene and there's a dead lady. They go. You're a little late to save the princess Luigi They say it every fucking time. they go, you're a little late to save the princess, Luigi. They say it every fucking time, I bet. Would you ride a dinosaur here or something? Oh, for Christ's sake. Look at you.

How many coins you got, Luigi? Empty your pockets. So they said while he was doing so, a man, later if he found out was Jeff West, approached him and said, that's my wife. And Luigi said he apologetically informed Jeff, well, your wife's dead. I mean, that's what it is. He said, Luigi said, I went from logging and assisting somebody in distress to assisting someone in distress.

He said they talked about things other than Kat's death, such as guns and Jeff's military service. He said it was a human to human conversation not a business transaction type of deal here. He was trying to he was trying to make Jeff feel better. By the way my wife's dead out there. Don't worry about it let me show you what he carries. Let me check this out check this out. This guy's an old school he's old school, carries a 44 mag. Fucking weird. So Luigi accompanied Jeff back inside his home and the body cam records everything here.

Some of the recording, they get all here and Jeff just said, you hear him on one of the parts say, I woke up and saw all this, meaning you and them and everything. He said he had no idea what happened to Kat. He was adamant about that. He speculated it might have been an accident. He also said their marriage was in a good place right now. We were having a good day. We were having a good day.

I tagged her and I said, you're it. Yeah, which is not it. So that's a Sarah Boone reference again. So in the interrogation at the police department, or really an interview, they're not really interrogating him. They don't really even have any suspicions. They don't know shit at this point. The detective asked Jeff about the couple's relationship

and their sex life. Oh, boy. During that conversation, Jeff said that his wife was bisexual. Oh. This guy's got a fucking... He's hit the lottery. What a party he's got going on.

And they talked about having relations with other women. Okay, come on, Jeff. What? What the fuck, man? What is... You braggadocious... What do you... What do you have, Jeff?

I want to know what is it? What is happening? What do you... What's in there? What do you possess? Yeah, what is it? That is... That...

Hmm... The antidote? Like, what the fuck do you have? Wow, man. Do you have the cure for something that they don't know about that we don't know yet? It's not money, he's a five and a half. It's Hammer, right? That's the next one. It's gotta be because he's a fucking campus security officer. The kids make fun of that guy.

Yeah! Oh God! He's like, have you seen my hot wife? I'm gonna have a threesome with her and her fucking big titted friend later. So fuck you kids, how's that? Enjoy smoking on campus. Yeah, enjoy. So he said they talked about that specifically. Three women in Calera that they talked about having. So they were like, to the point,

not just like, I wanna have a chick, they were like, maybe this one. They're down to the final three. They're down to the final three. This guy is about to have a party. There's only two roses on the table. That's what I mean. This is is about to have a party. There's only two roses on the table This is incredible. He said Sheila. She liked girls

She recently wanted to look into quote the lifestyle my god This guy is having way too much fun for his life They discussed that men who'd subscribe to Kat's website would occasionally reach out to her in a private messenger and sometimes even send pictures of themselves Well, yeah, you're right my dad. Oh dad goes, and he said she would just delete the pictures. When asked if he was ever jealous of the other men, he said, there's nothing to be jealous about me and her. We're in a good spot. She's given me extra ass.

I mean, she's trying to get women, extra women over here to fuck me. I got a surplus of pussy in this wild pussy tits jumping around. It's crazy. You ever come in from the bathroom and have your wife just tits out, jump from a counter to a sofa? It's amazing. Here's the thing, we had a kid and then life got better. Yeah.

What? Somehow it got awesome. God damn it. Jesus fucking Christ, she's jumping around like a gremlin. So he said, I'm not jealous of it, meaning the pictures online. He said, it's just pictures, she got money for it. And he also said he didn't believe that she had cheated on him except for possibly one time

many, many years ago in California. He said, she's never stepped out on the marriage. Now he said he had six drinks that night. He said in a scale of one to ten in terms of drunk and being drunk as teen his wife were about a six you're a six she's a nine but still yeah she was a point two three and that's a sex a six in this house good god so a ten is your breath is flammable yeah yeah there's marks bruises yeah they got back to their house at 830 he said that his wife was a member of the internet site

called the Cougar Club. There you go. And Kathleen made pictures of herself in lingerie and posted them on the site. And people who visited the site could purchase the pictures and that was in their PayPal account because he was asking them, how does the money go? And he goes, well, it goes in there,

it goes in her PayPal account, and then you transfer it to your bank account. So then when they arrived back to their house after eating dinner, he said that Kathleen went to change into a pink bra and pink panties and pink high heel shoes so she could post photographs for Cougar Club. He said that his wife often drank and when she was drunk, she would go out of the house and into the yard, which is what everybody says too. Even her parents say she'd wander off when she was drinking or even sober. She liked to go outside and do shit. She would turn into like a 10 year old when

she was drunk. He said that she'd go outside shit faced and would go jump on the trampoline in the backyard. That's unbelievable. That is that's a stomach, an iron gut she's got. She's not hidden. So about halfway through the interview, the detective told Jeff that they believed his wife had been murdered. And Jeff said, how? Good question. You tell us that guy. He said, that's what we're trying to figure out. Your wife is dead. Something went wrong. He said that he told Jeff that there was a hole to the side of her head and that Jeff questioned whether it was possible that someone else had hole to the side of her head and that Jeff questioned whether it was possible

that someone else had come to the home or they said, did you think someone could have come after you were asleep? And he goes, I was asleep, how the fuck should I know? I don't know. He said he didn't know for sure what happened, but the only thing he could think of that may have occurred was that in the past when his wife would be tanked,

there were times where she would go jump on the trampoline and maybe that was it. And evidently they had some place, tanked there were times where she would go jump on the trampoline and maybe that was it and You know they had some Evidently they had some place they had that in the backyard So, you know, maybe that was it he said he thought as a result of her jumping on the trampoline being drunk Maybe she lost her balance and hit her head maybe on the bar the perimeter side of the trampoline I've got dazed and he thinks that maybe that's what maybe she wandered out into the front and died. Yeah, back up and then fell again. Maybe that's it. Yeah. Got back up, tried

to give go to the house and got confused or something. I mean, who knows? What a nightmare could be anything really. So it's fucking weird. So the sergeant here says that he examined the backyard and looked over the whole trampoline. I mean, you've got luminol out there and they found no blood, no traces of blood on the trampoline, on the bar of the trampoline around or in any other location in the backyard. So whatever happened, it didn't happen back here is what he said. So Jeff tells investigators that they say, you know, you sound like you keep saying perfect marriage, perfect marriage, but nobody's marriage is perfect.

What are your problems? And he said, well, there was some level of unhappiness mainly because Kat wanted to have sex four or five times a week and he did not always want to have sex that often. Just bang your wife. If she's like, hey, I really fucking throw her one. What are you doing? You've got a gal that's hotter than you that wants to fuck. You better fuck her.

That's your job. You better fuck her. And she's gonna bring over other chicks too. Show her you're worthy. Get a pill and get to work. Shit, don't even need a pill. He's like fucking 35 years old. Skin that smoke wagon. Get in work. Shit. Yeah. Don't even need a pill. He's like fucking 35 years old. Skin that smoke wagon.

Get in there and see what happens. Check out the hook while my DJ revolves, motherfucker. Honest to God. Let's get in there. You got a problem. Let's solve it. Holy shit. So he said, I'm not as sexual as she is.

It is what it is. I'm happy with myself. She wasn't happy with it. Yeah. So Jeff said his wife claimed he hit her once in California and he said he was blocking her from hitting him when it happened and because they said was there ever any violence at all he's I mean years ago this happened the night he died that she died though he said

there's no argument no violence he said again quote we were in a good spot we were having a good day since spot we were having a good day says we keep saying having a good day from the Sarah Boone case in the interrogation if you don't listen to patreon she's the lady who zipped her boyfriend up in a suitcase and she says repeatedly over and over not only in her interview she said to the psychologist to because on the stand they kept saying she kept saying quote we were having a good day and I'm like she keeps telling everyone that Everyone we were having a good day. I just love that. She she thought she was getting away with it man the whole time from from

investigation interrogation all the way to trial and verdict she thought they were gonna come out and go Don't drink booze anymore, but have a good day. Her lawyer's closing argument, it was the worst closing argument I've ever seen. He threw like eight things out there and he goes, I mean, reasonable doubts. You all don't even have to have the same reasonable doubt. So you can have a doubt about one thing, you can have a doubt about something else and that's fine. I got a doubt you don't have a lot of greens. Wow. Fuck. They showed the video over and over again. It's like you could see the suitcase moving.

He's begging for his life saying I can't breathe and she's like fuck you. Wasn't there like a drink in the camera view too? I don't know about that one, a different one there was probably. They drank three liters of Woodbridge that day. Woodbridge Chardonnay. God damn. From a Florida Publix. Someone's gonna die.

Someone's life is gonna end if you're buying that much Woodbridge Chardonnay. I'm sorry. No one can drink that much Woodbridge. It's just not possible. Somebody's gonna die. Somebody's gonna die in some way, shape or form. So he said we were totally in a good spot.

I would not hurt my wife, which I don't like. I don't either. I like I didn't kill my wife is what I like. Yeah, I don't like the two words. Would not. And then the minimization of hurt is not kill. She's not hurt. Yeah. Yeah. So that she doesn't feel anything. I don't like either one. I don't like anything in that sentence there. So they searched the house and evidence technician with the police department said that he conducted

a search of the house to see if there was a secondary crime scene in the house. He found no secondary scene, but he did find a pair of woman's pants and underwear on the kitchen table. She is a part, she takes her underwear off, just throws them on the table and frolics. Awesome. The underwear matched what Kathleen had been wearing in photographs that she sent from her phone

to his phone at 931 and 942 on the evening of her death. The shirt that she was wearing that night was never recovered by police. I don't know where the hell it is. No shirt. No shirt. So the shirt she was wearing when she got home, nowhere to be found.

Wow. Anywhere in the house. Where'd it go? It vaporized. It's what I mean. It came off so fast. It vaporized. Maybe that's what her clothes are like.

Dandelion sports. She takes them off and they go More clothes grow Wow So Katz family here. This is her mom says it seems so impossible for the extreme sad sadness and grief We feel is the loss of our beautiful daughter cat to ever diminish or decrease However, the Lord is our hope so he hope he can turn our mourning into comfort He's she goes on to say my family asked for your prayers and support in our time of loss However, the Lord is our hope. So I hope he can turn our mourning into comfort. She goes on to say, My family asked for your prayers and support in our time of loss. My beautiful daughter Kat was not just my daughter, but a cherished wife to Jeff, as well as a loving mother to their daughter. So much negativity is out there, but with God,

all I see and hear is the goodness of my cat. My family and I ask for help in the services to lay our daughter to rest and where she will be and goes okay there you go so days go by no progress because they looked and said there's no physical evidence of shit it's just she wandered out there and has a head injury from Mr. mysterious head injury they don't have a weapon yeah they don't have a fucking they can't put together yeah but they, they can't put together a timeline of what they think happened. Their timeline ends at 10.30 when Jeff said he went to bed. And then it's, she could have wandered,

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or Spotify. And with that shirt missing, it adds to the mystery because whoever has that, maybe that's the guy. Yeah, where's the shirt? So there's at least two Facebook groups with over 2000 members at the time that popped up immediately created to discuss the shirt. So there's at least two Facebook groups with over 2000 members at the time that popped up immediately created to discuss the case. Wow. This is people trying to figure it out.

Neighbors are concerned here and everything like that. One neighbor who lives two doors down said it's shocking that it happened so close to home. So all you can do is worry about and think about your family. And that's all I've been doing. No, this has nothing to do with your family. Obviously. Yeah, it says nothing to do with your family. Come on So this guy was just like I'm looking up that name. Yeah, I really want to see I can't believe this was happening two doors down I had no idea. I had no idea. My dick should have been rock hard the whole time

Well, he's sitting there looking through all the pictures going. No, I'm just looking for info, baby That's all it is. I'm trying to try to crack the case. I'm always thought I could fancy myself a detective I think I can go through this this case is juicy. Oh boy. I'll tell you what by the way Meet me in the bedroom about five minutes. What's your darling? I'm running down her get her gift list I'm gonna get you a few things. Oh, I'm gonna get you some. You're gonna look nice. I'm gonna put something on here for the kids. There you go, kids. Excellent, there's some Bluey, and I'm gonna get me some Blowy. Your dildo.

Bluey for you and Blowy for me. Let's do this, all right then. So the word of the death is met with a lot of sadness. Her friends, people she worked out with at the gym and all that kind of thing. One friend from the gym said she'd come in and do her thing and leave she kind of kept to herself She'd wave and smile. She was a nice lady. Yeah, don't talk to me about my tits. Leave me alone so the investigation there they're really the cops by the way the I think it's I was at 48 hours a day to talk to the cops on this and the cop the sergeant Mike Melhoff the

Yeah, Melhoff the main investigator here. They asked him had you heard of only fans? Yeah, and he said no man. This is the first day he heard of this website So yeah So now not only does he have to investigate a murder But he's got to figure out a whole corner of the internet that he knows nothing about. This is going to blow his fucking mind. I tell you what, I spent a good week just looking into it. I locked myself in a room and I said to my wife, you leave me alone.

I made a list of all the females in my life and then I searched their names. And then I just looked for pretty ladies. And then I just looked at all the results of those women feel like I got the lay of the land. Yeah There's nine hundred and sixty three genus So they said could one of her only fan subscribers have stalked and murdered her and He said do we have someone else out there? That's actually killing people. He doesn't know So they said they needed to, they knew they needed to cast a wider net than just Jeff

considering there was thousands and hundreds of people drooling over her tits. It's real possible that one of them did it. Somebody did something terrible to her. So they sent Jeff home and they said they spent about three weeks quote, looking for other suspects, which is figuring out onlyFans and how it works and putting subscriptions on the county's credit card.

Well, we have to know how the subscriptions work. Shit. Pause and taking long lunches and shit. Yeah, I'm gonna go home and take a shower real quick. He said there were thousands of names that had to be culled through in order to properly investigate this. Basically every one of her social media followers had to be talked to, asked about.

Not just subscribers even. She's got 50,000 Instagram followers, man. Go through that shit. God damn it. So I mean, if a guy was in the Philippines or something, he's probably not the guy. Pretty easy to write him off. Yeah. As they continued to gather evidence, they said they had more public involvement than they even wanted the internet went crazy

This is you know now any time past about 2016 anytime someone's murder, and it's not solved immediately the internet wants to solve it and They rarely do sometimes they once in a while. It's uh they're batten like Real bad real bad, but they're batting like real bad. Real bad. But they're batting. If you remember Sherry Papini, you understand that none of that shit was good.

I'm here with Sherry Panini. Papini! For every one of those, there's, for 10,000 of those, there's one of the people, the group of people from Don't Fuck With Cats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people were doing great. They did fantastic. There's way too many panini ones.

There's a lot of paninis out there. So they had to continue doing this. The one person with the police force said, you had this huge online presence, these murder discussion Facebook groups. While they may have started in Calera, there were people from all over and they aren't quiet about their opinions. It seemed everyone had an opinion on the way Kat died. And everyone's opinion isn't just, you know, here's my opinion for whatever it's worth. Everyone's like, this is what happened. You fucking morons. Obviously. I know I am fucking 4,000 miles away. I'm in upper British Columbia, but still, I think

this is why. I've done some GPS and and I figured it out, right? So as the police gathered evidence, they said that they yeah just too much here. They said What they're reading the reading the comments and they say it's the husband the next person I vote stalker It may have been a freak accident. It's not all these thanks. We know the options It may have been a freak accident. It's all these thanks. We know the options And also the way it's the way she lived people say people would put quote. I don't agree with her lifestyle She brought this on herself She was proud to have such an amazing figure good for her you go girl Dead

Good for her. She's dead not good for you, she's dead. Not good for her. You go, girl. You go, girl. Everywhere between you go, girl, and she brought this on herself, and everything in the middle. CEO. And everything in the middle. Wow. Holy fuck, girl boss. That's amazing.

So Jeff's work friend, Guy Carney, enters the picture here. He worked with Jeff West as a security officer with Jeff and he said he heard about the death of Kat and he contacted Jeff and Jeff told him what happened on the night Kat died. And this is Guy's statement. He said, West just told me they had gone out Friday night.

They had what I wanna say he referred to as a date night. They had you know you look you've never heard of that before. He had his term for it. I can't put I believe he's date night maybe was his term. Like that's not a commonly used phrase. It's a fucking movie with Tina Fey man. Yeah what are you talking about? It came out in 2014. Jesus. They had gone out that night they had been consuming alcohol and that due to the fact that he was having to get up to go to work at Birmingham Southern College the following morning that he had gone to sleep. He laid on the couch to go to sleep and his wife was still awake staying up at that time. So he said the next morning

he was woken up with the dogs barking. The dog barking woke him up. He got up to see what the dog was barking about. And at that time when he got up, he realized the front door was open and he walked to the front door and looked outside. And that's when he saw his wife laying in the yard or on the ground. So I got a cigarette.

So yeah, he doesn't run out there and go, hey, oh my God, that's the part. All of that's fine. It's fine. Till the point where you go go the second you saw your wife You didn't burst through the door in your boxer shorts to go fucking see what was wrong because that's what a normal person would fuck Yeah, do here. So Jeff on Facebook said because now I mean people he's Now become a public figure. Yeah

So he said all the online chatter has really fucked everything up and he said to the public our tragedy is just juicy gossip He wrote on Facebook very by the way. It's yeah. Yeah So according to Jeff like we said he went to bed at 10 30 and cat stayed up So the sergeant the investigator said now that's Jeff's version of what happened so then uh, they figured out though they They're figuring out technology. Oh. Because they had to figure out OnlyFans.

Now they're figuring out different apps on the phones here. And they figured out that Jeff has a health tracker app on his phone. Yeah. You know, the fitness one? Yeah. Mine just told me, congratulations, you broke a record today. While you've been sitting on your ass for the last two hours. Matter of fact, I think it told me, time to stand up.

This laughing has been great for your heart rate. What's going on with your heart, buddy? What's up with that? Shit. So he said that Kat stayed up and he said, now that's Jeff's version would happen, but before long, that's what they unearthed. And he said, well, the health app actually shows Jeff's phone moving as late as 10 minutes after 11 o'clock Yeah, which is fine

Cuz if you go I don't know about 1030 unless you're like I know what time and you're really on top of it if you've Had a few drinks and you got 1030 or 10 after 11 is the same thing There's also this little thing called I went to bed, but my wife was up So she picked up my phone she could have picked up my phone and checked into it and looked into it or just I you know I decided I was going to go to bed around 1030 and but then I wandered around and then I brush my teeth and then I went in there and I went to sleep or whatever. So yeah so the sergeant said it's 10 minutes after 11 and he said he believes Jeff also lied about when he woke up that morning. He told the cops that the dogs got him up by barking at the police cruisers, but a neighbor

reported seeing Jeff before the police. Remember though, they were on the phone with 911 and on the phone, they said, there's a guy right here in the doorway of his house pacing. So having laid out what they believe was Jeff's movements that night. They then looked at cats phones They were like her phones got one of these act trackers to the greatest thing ever You don't even have to be a good detective now. You really don't Dude if you watch the first 48 now literally they sit him down and they go we'll talk when we get your phone data They don't even want to let's just stare at each other. Let's just I'm gonna it won't matter I'll just check to see if the GPS has you around where the fuck you were

Where the murder happened and if so, I don't even need to talk to you Being charged and we'll put you in a cage. That's fucking it. It's wild now how easy it is So they said that they looked at her phone They found that and it showed her phone had stopped moving 16 minutes before Jeff's phone stopped moving. Uh oh. That's not good. No. But they said that doesn't help figure out what caused the wound.

Right. That doesn't mean she's moving and she's not. Yeah, that doesn't give you a... She could have put her phone down. She could have been drunk and put her phone down and wandered off. If you're gonna go jump on the trampoline, you don't need your phone. Right. So, they don't know. This is about a month later they get test

results from the absinthe bottle. Yeah. It had a tiny sliver of glass chipped off of it. Oh. Not enough to even cause a leak as we know the bad it was mostly full. Right. Optimistic police officer there. But they did also find two spots of cat's blood on the bottom of it. Oh. So now they're thinking, Murder weapon. This could be what bashed her head in. And the sergeant said we had Jeff's fingerprints on it,

which he took a picture with it the night before, fucking holding it. I mean, We know he touched it. We know he touched it. But they were actually saying they don't know if he touched it. Cause they're saying in the store, the footage they have, she's touching it.

He never touches that bottle, but it's sitting there. She could have said, can you pour me a drink? He said, I'll make you one. Who knows? He could have brought it in the house. And that's the thing. And the interviewer that's Maureen Marr, I think it's 48 hours she's on her as a dateline. One of them either one. She said, wouldn't you expect that given this, given that they bought it together and said they'd been drinking that his prints would be on it. And the cops said, oh, absolutely. So then what the fuck?

You're back to square one. It doesn't do anything. He said, though, there was something specific about the prints that helped point the finger at Jeff. What's that? He said, basically the fingerprints, if you were going to pour a bottle, your prints would be like this on the bottom, grab whatever is in front of you as a bottle and hold it. But if you were going to hold it like a baseball bat, it would be opposite. You'd have it upside

down. Nobody pours liquor like that. Nobody I've never seen, unless you're Tom Cruise and cocktail and you're flipping bottles, no one holds a bottle like that. So that was the thing. They said the basically the bottle was held inverted much like he'd be holding it like a club. Now at the same time if it was in a bag and he took it out you take it out the same way. So there's probably I probably have five wine bottles in my fucking house that have the exact same pattern of my fingerprints on them, which is interesting. They said that Jeff's thumbprint was found

in a downward position on the bottle and his ring finger was found over here, which she was demonstrating. So Kat's phone, they said the last time she moved, according to the data, was at 1054 p.m. and it recorded 87 steps. Now data from the ADT alarm system. See what I mean, these cops don't even... God damn.

Between all of this shit, they don't even really... they used to have to go like fucking talk to people and get clues. Now you just need apps. Now you just call companies and say, give me your data. When was this accessed and how does it work? Fuck. So the ADT alarm system shows that they should have got SimpliSafe, it would have been much better. Honestly, I'm not telling you shit. That's the sponsor, but we fucking love it. They're not gonna tell the cops anything.

It's a great security system. They'll keep all your shit private. None of your business, officer. None of your business. That's the fiend of me. I still want some. I think they will. I just think they have to.

I think they have to. I don't think they have a choice. So it showed the front door to the West Home opened at 1053 and one second, which is a minute before cats not moving and closed at 10 53 and 11 seconds so it's only open for 10 seconds it opened again at 151 and 46 seconds in the a.m. oh boy 2 a.m. she's according to her phone she has stopped moving and he's been asleep for two hours and remained

open until 412 and 45 seconds AM. Two hours? Yeah, almost three. 151 to 412, yeah, two and a half hours. That's a lot. Wow. At that time it closed and then the police said they responded to the scene shortly after 5 AM.

So that's interesting. If you were asleep, sir sir you got a ghost in this motherfucker no shit or yeah cat dropped her phone wandered out at two o'clock in the morning but then who closed the door at 412 yeah who closed it dude that's the thing someone closed it yeah wasn't you you said you got up five o'clock oh so there's a lot of shit that's not lining up. So February 22nd 2018, it's a little over a month later, they announced they're going to arrest Jeff for it. Based on, I mean, it doesn't get any more circumstantial. But it also-

He's certainly lying. He's lying and that's not great. And it's, but I mean, it's very circumstantial, but the circumstances, all the circumstances lead to no other real answer to this question here. All the circumstances say husband. Yeah, the bell said it a million and a half dollars, but why? That's pretty high.

That's half a million dollars, but why? I don't understand why he, what's his motive here? I understand that's not part of the legal thing, but for my curiosity, I sure as fuck need to know Are you killing your circumstantial shit? You should certainly have a motive nailed down. Yeah, why are you killing your wife? Who's you know hot and banging you're bringing in threesomes? Yeah, we're gonna make it money. What the fuck are you killing her for? Jesus so the her friend Brittany says Jeff should have never been arrested

Oh, they don't they don't believe Jeff did shit She firmly believes that the police failed to fully investigate the hundreds of only fan subscribers who had paid to see her content investigate all these guys Jeff's attorney here is asked did you ever consider that maybe someone for her online life could have played a role in what happened to her that night and This is they said that we looked into that and there just wasn't that evidence out there. So there's no evidence that an only fans online user was involved in her death. They said that but his attorney Jeff's attorney says what the evidence does show is that cat wasn't

murdered. What does it show their defense isn't that someone else did it. Their defense is it wasn't murder at all. This shit was an accident. The lawyer said she fell and hit her head. And Jeff's parents, Jerry and Susie, they agree too. They said they're not sure how she hit her head, but they don't think that the authorities can prove that she didn't hit her head either.

So they don't think their son, they think their son's gonna be fine. His dad, Jerry West, not the basketball player, said they set out to get Jeff. There was no investigation. Really? And then they also, the mom said, I know he's innocent.

And then the dad said, I don't care what anybody says. He did not do this. Jeff's parents say he's incapable of harming his family and I mean but a lot of people say that. Yeah. That's very common. Ted Bundy's mother, he was in the electric chair and she was still saying he was innocent. Good boy. After he was telling them where heads were. Yeah. Still. He's like he didn't do it and I know that this is a mistake so that's fine but they said you know that's normal but the thing that's fine. But they said, you know, that's normal. But the thing that's

not normal is her parents fucking agree a hundred percent. Even the victim's parents are saying that he didn't do it, which is tough. If you, if you're the prosecutor is those are the ones who file charges. Actually you file charges. You don't even have the victim's family supporting you. That's tough. Yeah, you gotta go to the family and say, all the evidence says this, and they go, well, it's wrong, recalculate. And they go, we recalculated. And they go, you're a lying sack of shit.

And then you're like, now you got the victim's family against you in court. That's one thing that's like, the prosecutor, the victim's family, those are all kind of locked steps. They're supposed to be on the same team. Yeah, this is wild. Her cat's dad, John, said, "'He's honorable and he loved my daughter.

"'I know he didn't do it.'" And the mom, Nancy, said, "'He didn't do this.'" She spoke publicly, this is the mother, and said, Kat's mother, and said that her daughter was an alcoholic who suffered from bipolar disorder. Mom!

She's coming, Ma! Jesus! I got kids! She's telling, this is what normally what a defense attorney would say. Yeah. When they would have to trash the- And then the family would fucking cry their eyes out.

They'd be like, this is bull- How dare you say that about my family? She's saying- She's saying this. My daughter goes off and wanders off, drunk. She'll hit her head on something. That could very happen and you're damning a good man. She said that she believes Kat died from a fall. She her daughter quote fell all the time especially when drunk she's

clumsy and she said she'd get jump drunk jump on the trampoline take off her clothes wander around the neighborhood a naked fainting goat she yeah she's like a she's like a two and a half year old yeah that's a two and a half year old Zeus running around in a diaper they just pull clothes off and why? What the fuck are you doing? How'd that kids just strip their clothes off? We're in target. Put it back on. They're trying to get the last fucking pant leg off their foot and you're like, stop. Take your shoes off first you dummy. Jesus Christ. So yeah, she said that's what it is. And the father said, or the mother said,

he didn't do this, he's a good man. He loved her with all her heart. Shocking. Her parents said she was conspicuously clumsy. Even when sober she fell down. When drinking she was a fucking mess. Wow. Falling down all the time.

Nancy said that the 13 year old daughter stayed with her and her husband until Jeff was arrested, and she'll stay, will be staying with them. He said, they said, I trust him with my whole heart. That's what Nancy, Kat's mom, said. Both of the mothers here, who now say they're attached at the hip, this is Jeff's mom and Kat's mom,

say the blood alcohol level is extremely high and neither of them believe that online exhibitionism was a factor here. They don't think somebody came and stalked her and killed her. They think she fucking fell because she's drunk. Yeah. That's it. Like a mom defense Voltron.

That's wonderful. They come together. And Jeff's mom said he wasn't jealous. He knew she was sick and needed the attention Okay, so but the mud this is I'm her mom and said yeah Nancy said she was not aware of that part of her daughter's life until after her death She didn't know she was doing all that only family. Yeah, because you don't tell your mom But when she found out she wasn't surprised at all She said cat was very insecure and always has been so this makes sense to me here

She said she wanted everyone to think she was beautiful She said nothing nothing on earth could make her think Jeff is guilty now She said now I've seen all the evidence they have nothing could make me think he's guilty I they don't have the evidence and I believe him and I know he didn't do it She said if there was a video of the death showing Jeff killing her actively She would think it was doctored. She wouldn't even believe that That's that's crazy. Now. You're delusional. Yeah, you're at the level of I believe it if I saw you doing that Yeah, you know, I know you way better than she knows him

Yeah, so and Brittany the friend Cat's friend said she could have run outside in the street right because she was so intoxicated she said anything's possible. Yeah. My friend that's not out of the range of pot if you said if you called me up and said Cat died she was drunk in the middle of the night and ran around in the street and fell and hit her head she'd go oh yeah that makes sense. You know we got a friend that uh. You didn't be surprised. Crossed a freeway. Oh yes we do. We don't think that crossed a freeway. Oh, yes, we do We don't think that's murder. No, I believe exactly what the cops think it is Yep, I think he did some shit a lot of times

we know that he had substance problems from time to time and And he was going it might have been it might have been suicide. Maybe sure as fuck wasn't murder. Nobody No, it was either an accident or suicide. It wasn't murder. Yeah, that to him. No. It was either an accident or suicide, but it wasn't murder. Yeah, that's sad. It was a great comic. God damn it. God damn underrated comic. He's one of the guys that makes you want to fucking

hunt down TikTok people who get booked at comedy clubs and sell out and burn their houses down. Or worse over. Because they have no talent, no experience, and this was a guy who could kill and was so poor. At will! He was killed at will for an hour and was so poor he had to run across a Texas freeway for more booze Fucking sad Drunk Frogger and lost and lost and we've got dildos that sell out constantly and live in the lap of luxury

Fucking unbelievable from three seconds of internet fame. Oh My god ridiculous Jeff's lawyer said she was not hit in the head with that bottle He said it's clear because Jeff is a righty and the prints at the bond the bottle were from his left Hand so he wouldn't even swing with that. It would be very yeah You're gonna trying to kill somebody with a swing. It wouldn't be after six drinks wouldn't even swing with that. It would be very, yeah, if you were gonna try and kill somebody with a swing, it wouldn't be with your off.

After six drinks? Wouldn't be with your off hand. God no. Fuck no. And the lawyer said the bottle was in a bag. You would pull the bottle out of the bag in the same way with your thumb, just like I said, with your thumb print down, and it would make sense.

You'd use your left hand to do that. Certainly. But you definitely wouldn't use your off hand as your kill hand. No. Stabbing people, when you you stab someone is with your fucking power hand you hit somebody it's with your power hand so that's interesting he said I've handled well over a hundred murder cases never went forward on a murder case where the manner of death was classified as undetermined it's not even classified as a homicide yeah it's not even

classified as a horror doesn't even know they not even classified as a homicide. The coroner doesn't even know. They don't know. Yeah. So it's pretty fucking, and that's a really good explanation for the handprints too. So as much as that circumstantial evidence of him doing it, it's also just as much circumstantial evidence clearing him of it. It's both. More than I think.

I think it's straight up evidence that he didn't do it. Yeah. The left hand to me says, there you go, unless he did that. But then he wouldn't. Unless he's been hiding from us this whole time that he didn't do it. Yeah, the left hand to me says there you go unless he did that I'm but then he would unless he's been hiding from us this whole time actually left-handed Just as good with his life. He just grew up super Catholic and they told him not to use it So they said what do you think happened to cat that night? They asked the lawyer He said in a nutshell she fell she hit her head. She got got up and did it again. They said they found

Jeff was dressed in the same clothes as in the security video from the night before so he didn't clean up, toss his clothes and this is what he said, he said there was nothing on his clothes, no liquor, no blood, no bodily fluid, no tissue, no hair. There was no hair on the bottle, there's no glass in her wound. What the fuck? So where'd that sliver of glass go? Yeah. He said despite, more likely it would be she had the bottle and was drunk outside and dropped it and then picked it up even and then wandered around and drank some more.

Filled with it. Who knows? So they said and despite this, they said there's no real effort to consider any other suspects either. It's just basically it was an accident or he did it. Right. And we're saying it's not an accident. Too much, we're saying it wasn't murder. Well yeah, so they said the only person they ever looked at was Jeff and they never really looked at

whether it was an accident or not. And so the police, Maureen Marr asked the sergeant here, was there ever a time you or anyone else in the police department looked into the possibility of it being an accident. His answer, absolutely not. Wow. Okay, well I think you, if the coroner determined, medical examiner determines homicide, then you go no, because the medical examiner said it's a homicide.

But when it's undetermined, and everyone that knows her thinks it's an accident, I think you at least have to look into the possibility that it might be an accident. So yeah, absolutely not is his answer. He said, I think you at least have to look into the possibility that it might be an accident." So yeah, absolutely not, is his answer. He said, I don't want to sit here and say that I immediately ruled out an accident, but just the head trauma alone, knowing that the body had been moved, it was very hard to try to look at this as an accident.

Yeah. She's incredibly hot. We got to solve this. Yeah, we got to solve it. You see how blonde she is? You see how sexy she is? She's blonde. how sexy she is? She's blonde, everybody. That's a waste. OnlyFans is gonna be suffering.

She's hot and blonde, we gotta find this. But the other thing, and I don't know how this would work, could she have fallen, fallen down, gotten back up again, repositioned herself, fallen down again? Because if you have a head wound like that, You hit yourself, you're gonna get dazed. You get dazed, you fall out.

I've seen boxing. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, like a head wound, I don't know. So anyway, Jeff's lawyer here said it's not hard to explain at all. They said the two blood pools at the scene suggest the cat fell, got up, fell again. He said, because it's clear that she moved around after she had the head injury. And the defense lawyer said he's whittled down his entire case to only one witness and that's Katz's mother So my case is Katz's mother if she's not fucking buying it. Why should you buy it?

Yeah, you know, that's not this isn't the justice she wants or thinks is the thing so you're gonna overrule her She knows him. Yeah, and she she has as much information as the cops you or anybody else has about this shit so there's a bail reduction hearing here and cops you or anybody else has about this shit. So there's a bail reduction hearing here and Jeff here claims that he's being illegally detained and unlawfully denied liberty by the excessive bail amount. You are being held for murder sir. That's legal. We're holding you for murders that we're going to hold you for a while there. The motion states that he poses no real and present danger to others himself or the public at large if allowed to be released. That doesn't matter. And also we don't know that. We don't know that. Also that's not why they're holding you. They're holding

you to make sure you don't run away because you have a murder charge over your fucking head. So they said the main purpose of Bond historically is to ensure the presence of the accused in court to address the charges. And his lawyer says it should not be used as punishment. Says Jeff is certainly looking forward to defending himself at trial in this case. There's absolutely no evidence that he's a flight risk. He was honorably discharged from the army after 21 years of service, has no criminal record, was gainfully employed up until his arrest, has strong ties to the community and

a desire to clear his name. All fine. The attorney says desire to clear his name. All fine. The attorney says that he maintains his innocence. He says he's heartbroken over the death of his wife and the disruption that this case has caused his family. He's also concerned about his daughter and how the loss of her mother is affecting her and he can't be there to help. He said, Jeff is a good man, a good husband, a good father.

When it's all said and done, we anticipate a successful outcome of this case. Prosecutor says, tell you what, want a deal, let's offer you a deal. He offers Jeff a deal, and he offers him a deal that Jeff could take without admitting he did anything. An Alford plea? An Alford plea, exactly. He's gonna say, you can just say you have evidence,

and we have enough evidence, but you're going to be your guilt. He would just have to acknowledge that the state had enough evidence to likely convict convict. And it also, if the judge accepts that deal, it means that Jeff would be let off with time served and two years probation. Basically, you accept this deal, you'll be out by the end of the week. You'll be back with your daughter by the end of the week. What do you do? And that, you say yes.

Do you? Fuck yeah. You say yes and the second you leave the court, you go, I didn't fucking do that shit. I took the deal because who the fuck knows what's gonna happen in court, but I didn't fucking do it. You think they would have given me a deal where I could walk out with time served if they thought I killed her?

This is, they, they wanted to clear their books and keep that. I'd make it about them. Fuck those people. If it was me and I didn't actually kill my wife, if it was him and I killed my wife, I would, or him and not kill your wife. I don't know. So I'm taking that deal. Does trial is risky?

Yeah, I don't know. No matter what trials risky. Yeah. And down there Just trial is risky. Yeah, I don't know no matter what trials risky Yeah, and down there you never know. Yeah Pictures of her she's beautiful. You're a troll right doesn't look good It just doesn't yeah and the prosecution go maybe he was getting jealous and people go I'd be jealous if I was look at that guy Yeah, that's what I mean. So they ask the defense attorney What does it tell you as a defense attorney when the prosecution offers that kind of deal? Yeah, and he said that tells you as a defense lawyer the prosecution has some problems with a

Nothing, they recognize and that's what it is. They have nothing and the defense has the victims family on their side So it's a tough sell to this jury if they want to have a jury But and according to the prosecutors plea deals are standard in every case They're usually not like this not murder cases in murder cases They offer you you know second degree and 25 to life Rather than first degree and life without or the death penalty or let you know second degree in life with parole or some shit They don't say you can leave tomorrow every one of those deals would get taken every single one of them and the lawyer told Jeff is a reasonable offer and it doesn't get any

better than this pretty much and the lawyer said he rejected it immediately he didn't do it man Jeff said no If you you have to be either the craziest Narcissist lunatic in the world. Yeah, or a very innocent. Yeah one of the two here He didn't do it. How the fuck did he not go outside then? This is blowing my mind How would you not go out? How would you watch people go? Yeah, it looks like my wife out there. She looks dead I guess I'll just smoke a cigarette what the fuck looks like her shit dude it's so weird and they said why did he reject the offer and the lawyer said because he says I cannot say I'm guilty of something that I didn't do which the

Alfred plea doesn't make you even say you're guilty it says they have evidence not I'm guilty yeah if. If they made him do an allocution and everything, then yeah. If he goes up there and goes, yeah, I bashed your fucking head in. I apologize for what I did, then yeah. That's different. If you just go, they have evidence, but I didn't fucking do it, and you can still get the deal and walk out, do it, who cares? But they said that he decided to roll the dice and take his chances in court. And the defense attorney said he understands

the risks of going to trial. He gets it. Judge banned cameras from the courtroom. But 48 Hours was there taking notes. They followed this story. Sure. They were like, she's really hot. We're going to go down to Alabama

and just camp out for a while. What do you think? Hi, this is Lester Holt. I live here now. I've just rented a house, and it lovely and registered voter down here looking for other blonde women on OnlyFans. I've heard this is where there's a hot bed of horny. I hear there's a hot prostitution ring going on with sexy milfs down here. That's part two of the story. Yeah. David Muir just moved here to that sandbag and son of a bitch. That's some two of the story. Yeah, David Muir just moved here to that Sandbag and son of a bitch son bitch

so anyway, they Sat with this is Nancy Martin the Martins sat with Jeff's mother Carolyn during the hearing They held each other's hands the mothers and everything. There's like fucking Laverne and Shirley these two John Robbins a defense attorney believed the prosecutors had problems with their case and before the trial, he said they called with more talk of a plea deal. He rejected, they called back. Yeah, they're like.

What less can you offer though? I mean, you can just leave after you hang up. Yeah, just say they have enough evidence and then hang up and then you can just go. We'll just let you write out and wow. Nope and John the defense attorney said we discussed would it take what would it take to settle the case? But they could not come to terms the prosecution also notified the court that it was filing making a filing of new evidence texts between Jeff and Kat the ones that we showed and

The sergeant said it was apparently a very volatile relationship. That's what they're saying. It sounded like pretty normal, and they drink a lot, so that's also part of it. That's a very drunk, been together nine years argument. 14!

And if one of the parties is bipolar too, and if you're with somebody that long and you recognize when the phases come on, if you see someone's getting manic and sending shit, that's when you're ignoring those, and you're like, that long and you recognize when the phases come on if you see someone's getting manic Yeah, and sending shit. That's when you're ignoring those and you're like this will blow over I love you. I love you. I love you deescalate. So maybe that's part and we're not trying to just I don't know I'm randomly defend him. I'm just trying to we're trying to find Anything what is fucking anything here? Because this is confusing. So the jury is nine women three men

I don't know if that's good for him or not. I don't think so I think he could have probably got that a little bit better on the dice I've been six and six although the way all of the guys would have probably said you think you Jealous of her tits fuck you you did I would have been Get out of here So the prosecution tells the jurors here in the openings that the West did not have a harmonious marriage and it was reading from the text,

you're throwing away almost 14 years of a relationship she'd written about a week before she died. You don't want me, fine, someone will. I always want you, he replied. They said, yeah, that's how it goes. They told the jury on the first day of testimony here that he used a liquor bottle to kill his wife with a blow to the head,

and he said, why hasn't he called this in? Talking about the 911 call saying he was there, he would later say that he was sleeping. It did not result from a fall, the prosecutor said. The severity of the head wound indicated that when this person got hit they were going down fast Yeah Okay now the defense talks about how the text yeah, there was text, but they went from

Fighting to erotic yeah in no time flat so fast as the defense says we're gonna use these to defend ourselves Like you can just as easily use to defend, look at how quickly they make up. Next thing you know, she's saying, I want you to come over here and finger me. So what the fuck? The defense attorney said to me, it's a bunch of baloney. It's supposed to show the volatile marriage that they had. She's mad at him one minute,

sending naked pictures to him saying she loves him the next. Yeah. Yeah, that happens. Yeah, that's better happens. Yeah, that's a that's better than fucking. Yeah, no makeup. The defense attorney said anytime Kat said something that quote can be considered an argument. His response is I love you. I want you. You're sexy. He knows exactly what she wants to hear. And that's what that is. He showed, so the defense attorney showed a couple dozen more text messages that showed intimacy and love between the couple.

Jeff repeatedly referred to his wife in multiple messages as sexy mama. And Kat often sent him photos of herself topless and in provocative positions. God damn it, she's an awesome wife. What a great wife. So he would reply, quote, your picture's hot as fuck. Fuck yeah it was reply quote your pictures hot as fuck fuck. Yeah Pictures hot as fuck. What else do you say though? Well, there's no way to be eloquent I've got yeah, there's no way to be eloquent gonna say all the blood is rushing somewhere away from your brain How the fuck are you supposed to look at those? They want us to have these?

Say all I got is the my god. are awesome the blood has left my brain Yeah, the part of me that forms words and sentences. It's gone from there I want to suck them shit shit. I'm so sorry he replied to one of her photos saying looking good Sexy mama which sounds like he's a trucker from the 70s. Hey looking good sexy mama break 19 sexy mama. Oh, baby. You see that mud flaps on her buddy. I'll tell you what truckers you never know. She replied to him at one point, thanking. Thank you for making me feel sexy. I love you. So she, they know what each other wants at this point. And she knows what he means when he says that shit exactly so the defense attorney said the state's case is based solely on

Circumstantial evidence nobody's gonna come in here and tell you Jeff hit his wife in the head with a bottle The medical examiner is not even gonna tell you she was murdered so definitely not gonna say how it happened We're very confident that when you hear all the evidence in the case you will come to the conclusion that there's no murder here There's no killing Jeff is not guilty, right? so he also told the jury that the only reason national media and even local media were covering the trial is because She had pictures with her boobs out literally. She said I he said I find that to be a little sad Yeah, if it weren't for the kitty cat website, no one would be interested and it's true Yeah, they wouldn't um funny name. Yeah, that's Do you mean the cougar one or does he mean only thing? No, no her kitty cat. Oh, she goes by kitty cat West

That's how she does it. Yeah, so he said there's no discord between the couple about the adult photos if they're gonna try to say He's jealous. He says yes. She had a website. She posed nude the adult photos, if they're gonna try to say he's jealous, he says, yes, she had a website, she posed nude, she did that for her own self-esteem, Jeff was fully aware of what his wife did and assisted her in it. He's trying to make her happy, it feels like, in that range.

He's a fucking cameraman. So the sergeant who investigated this whole thing, he gets on the stand, Mike Melhoff, and he says, I wouldn't wanna speculate as to, you know, what drove him to that point, but I can certainly say that I feel that yes, he's, he's the one responsible for his wife's death. That's not a real convincing Sarge. No, I mean, I can't tell you why, how, and you when really. Yeah. And he did. He's, he's, I know he's the one, but I know he's responsible somehow. I can't prove anything. I have no evidence.

Kat's mom testifies that she herself witnessed Kat in an intoxicated state, go outside barefoot in any kind of clothes, underwear included, whether it was hot or cold in various staging, varying stages of dress and undress. When she heard her daughter fell down on the side of the road naked and cold, she was not surprised. Nope. At all. She was like, God damn it, I told her to stop doing that.

Literally. She said her daughter was a heavy drinker who had problems stopping herself once she started drinking. Yeah. She just keep drinking. She said she could not drink just one drink. She testified her daughter would be up drinking long after anyone else who joined her drinking would go to bed. She'd just sit up by herself? Whoever she's saying,

they would go away and she'd be like, I'll see you later. And she'd stay up and drink. I'm gonna have one more. And her mom said that is when she would go wander around outside and take her clothes off and shit. Wow. Yeah, would frequently do that. She said that she would, it was not strange to wake up in the middle of the night and see her half naked dancing outside. All by herself. All by herself in the dark with a bottle.

Whoo. Just drinking. So she goes, I could see her doing this and happening. What is that? She said her daughter would typically go outside while drunk without wearing clothes or fully clothed. Doesn't matter. Sometimes with shoes, sometimes no shoes.

She said, this is behavior I witnessed in both Florida and in Alabama. I saw her doing it since she was a kid she's done this. She said that her daughter, she saw her daughter alive two days before she was found dead. She said that her and her husband took her to a follow-up visit after she got a breast job six weeks earlier She just got new boobs new tits down. You know, here's the thing. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say this This is gonna sound crass. Yeah, but I'm gonna dude. I'm gonna say this as a reality You do not spend eight grand on tits and then kill them I'm not wasting I said I'm not her because that's what he if you're a murderer

Who looks at your wife as someone you could kill you go? I own those tits and I just bought them and I'm gonna get my use out of ten grand just laying in the gutter No way not happening. No, it's probably not. So they said that uh, yeah, that's how that went By the way, she is the lone Defense witness By the way, she is the lone defense witness. Nancy Martin. Really? Kat's mother. The lone defense witness.

She said she saw Jeff at the funeral home where Jeff broke down while picking out a casket and was having a very hard time doing all this shit. She said, I know it hurt me, but I can't imagine how he felt. Wow, her daughter. Her daughter. So wow, her daughter, her daughter. So they, um, they asked the prosecution, this is a 48 hours doing this. Were you surprised at how supportive Katz parents, particularly her mother was of the man, the police say killed her daughter.

And she said, you know, I can't really recall another case where the mother of the victim and the father of the victim were so attached to the suspect. Kat's parents are even giving Jeff legal advice. They help convince him not to testify. So they want him to get off on this, which you don't see this very often. You'll see it in our cases sometimes in the beginning, but then once evidence comes out, they're like, ah, we changed our minds. The other part too, being a mom or a parent really of a

Murdered child if you don't like your kid Yeah, be the father of a child now in my experience If there if if he didn't do it and we're sure he didn't do it if they can victim of it They're closing this start exactly if I believe that he didn't do it, I'm riding this till the wheels fall off so that force these motherfuckers to get back to work and find who did this. And especially if you don't think anyone did it.

If you think it was a fucking accident, you just feel bad, you know, now you're- Don't want anybody to suffer for something that my drunk daughter did. Your grandkids are losing, your grandkids are losing both their parents now for this. This is crazy. So the physical evidence they put out

two inch wound to the skull did not appear to the medical examiner said it did not appear to have been caused by a fall, which then why wouldn't they rule it a homicide? Yeah, that makes no sense. The force of the blow pushed the woman's brain into its stem. They said good God, that's a lot. That's a tough fucking blow yeah said it was a considerable amount of force to cause an injury like that scalp wounds bleed like mad the brain is very vast it's a very vascular structure they said that testified that it wasn't likely that she fatally was wounded from falling particularly because she was only about five foot two yeah she had less room to

fall so they said how about the object they believed killed her and they said whatever it was had an edge but it wasn't sharp. Okay. There you go. So I wasn't cut it from that but it was had an edge. Like a rock or a... Now the bottle they said that two swabs taken of the bottom of the lucid absinthe bottle. The prosecutors say tested positive for her blood. Also testing positive for her blood was a towel taken from the master bathroom, which... Could be anything.

I was gonna say, I can't imagine how many people there's a little bit of their blood on a towel in their master bathroom. I forget it. If I change my blade on my razor? Exactly. Oh, it's everywhere. Exactly.

It's a blood bath in there. You could pop a pimple. It's crazy, yeah. I mean, there yeah so many ways to bleed in the bathroom it's not even fucking funny and a white tank top retrieved from the laundry basket under cross-examination they said there was no way to tell how long the blood stains have been there on the towel or the tank top might have been there for a month we have no no idea. So in the closing arguments here, the DA tries to tie together this theory. He says Jeff lost his temper with his wife. He said he had a problem with her drinking and her social media usage, which no one else on earth said or thought. Yeah. And as drunk as they both were, they're both the same amount of drugs.

I mean, they were trading off drinks. They stopped. Here's your bottle. Here's my bottle. That's not I have a problem with your drinking. No, you have your own. Yeah. The prosecutors say the evidence from the night shows it. Jeff had thrown her phone into the street and clubbed her to death with the liquor bottle when she went after it. And he says that the way the bottle and phone were positioned convinced authorities it could not have been an accident. They said those are the two items stacked perfectly together right there on the street next to her body. That's what they said.

But the defense attorney said there's no evidence added to that. They said he does not have a history of violence either. This isn't where there's been 10 domestic violence calls. There's no history of violence in the sky. He's ever been arrested for shit. Escalated fast. Real fast. There's no history of violence in the skies ever been arrested for shit escalated fast real fast So the prosecutor before it goes to the jury the prosecutor asks in the last-minute move They convinced the judge to let the jury consider a lesser charge than murder to which they tried to offer an Alfred plea now

They're offering this this is we don't believe in our case. Yes, they offered they said how about reckless manslaughter? Put that in there too which like that's like a total accident because you were fucking around doing something and the Defense attorney said they were afraid that they were gonna lose the case Right and this guy said the defense attorney said he wasn't real happy about the last-minute lesser charge They introduced you're trying to the guy for fucking murder. You made a shit case and now you're like, well, how about this? How do I save my case? Yeah. So the jury deliberates for less than five hours, which I mean, Christ, we could, we deliberate for a month about this.

And they find him guilty of reckless manslaughter. You gave the jury a way out is what you did. And they knew it. They murders a step too far with the mom saying no and all that murders a step too far. But they want they want to hold someone responsible because the prosecution saying she was killed. So they don't know how to do it. So that's what they're that's fucked up. That's just a that's a compromise verdict, which happens all the time with juries. When you have 12 people together and you want them to agree on something and they sat through

this not just the jury, but the prosecutor sat they know what they just they know what they get I couldn't I wouldn't be able to do it. No shit. So both sets of parents were stunned by the verdicts Yeah The his dad Jerry West said that was shit, and you know, ah Yeah, which is a great lie I would love my dad to say that if I'm if I'm convicted of anything I want my father to go that was shit You know it even if there was a pile of evidence I want my dad to say that dad said that shit about the Patriots win every time I was shit

You know it god damn it Bullshit tuck rule my ass. I'm ready. I was shit, and you know you fumbled you fucking mad Maddie ice gave the game away. We're sitting you know shit, and you know you fumbled you fucking mad Maddie ice gave the game away Shit, you know shit, you know it That's fucking funny. Her father said I couldn't believe it. I really couldn't they were just shocked That's a less frustrated man saying it's shit. It's shit. You know it. Yeah, I couldn't believe it He hasn't even got to that part. He'll get there. He was still unbelieving You give him to 15 minutes. He would have went, now I believe it and it's shit.

And you know it. You know it's shit. He was in too much disbelief to say it. He didn't have it locked and loaded yet. Now they bring in the 15-year-old daughter during sentencing to plea for her father here, to plead for her father. I hope she says it's shit and you know She says it's shit and you know it. It's shit and you know it.

She said, he's always been my shield against the world. Please give me my father back as soon as possible. Also, the mother-in-law, Nancy Martin, she also testified on his behalf and said, it's a total shock of what happened. This is ridiculous. Please set him free. The judge, however saw things differently really and saying that He had plenty of time to take accountability for Katz death during sentencing and didn't oh

My he said for your own reasons you don't intend to do so so the jury had to do that for you. You, sir, may fuck off 16 years. Oh my god. Which we just did a case last year, last week, where the lady got exactly 16 years for like a brutal murder. And she super did it. That we know she did. And it was like fucked up, too.

And she's out, or she's like almost out? Yeah, almost. Yeah, she gets out. God damn. So with credit for time served, Jeff will be behind bars for 13 more years Goddamn, so the prosecutor said it was kind of a split decision Are you kidding you had no evidence you got a conviction? That's pretty good

The reactions here the assistant district attorney who tried the case said obviously we would have preferred a murder verdict But sure we're glad to get a sentence as we did we still not we can't believe it even though we were gonna let him go it was shit and we know it we were planning on letting him go yeah but we're happy the judge wasn't gonna do that for the defense Jeff said he knows if he had accepted the plea deal he'd already be home like he this would be all over with for him I'm a dummy I would have done the same thing man I would have taken that fucking deal we have we have gone over way too many trials that they're so unpredictable I can fuck yeah, I'll say anything you want get me the fuck out of prison

Whatever leaves me free to say whatever I want after this and I'll get out and say I didn't fucking do it That's crazy, and you know it and they that's the only reason Shit, you know it So and you know it and they, it's the only reason they gave you that fucking bill. It's shit and you know it, it's shit and you know it. So the attorney also says in retrospect he probably should have taken the deal. Well, no shit, yeah. Wow. His parents both say we all think he's not guilty

and they sat down with the West there and they said who thinks he got a fair trial and Jerry West, the dad, said, nobody. This was with all four parents. Nobody thinks that. They believe the book, judged through the book at Jeff in sentencing for refusing to settle the case and putting everybody through a trial.

So they said that, you know, also they were upset that her daughter's been judged harshly in the court of public opinions basically as well. The only bomber, James, is that fucking door, that door closing. The door, and also the movement on the phone. It's not good. It's not good, but that's all they have.

I'm not saying I don't think he did it. I think he probably did it. He had something to do with it. Nobody else has any reason. The door is open and closed. It's just too much. Too much open and closed. Too much. It's just too much. Unless she was, was she wandering around till four in the morning too?

That seems a bit excessive. And he's wandering around and not going and looking at what's over there on the other side of the road. You know it's your wife. You see a blonde head, it's in the road. You know it's her. You know it's her probably because she's not in bed with you.

So anyway, the mother, Nancy here, Kat's mom, said it was the fact that she was doing these things that small towns don't understand. Right. So bring it back to small town murder here. Her friend, Brittany, is crying and said she's gone. That that's heart wrenching. They have a daughter that's in the mix of everything.

And they said that's what her mom said. Kat's mom said, yeah, she's got it. There's a child involved here. And every week, Lola goes with her grandparents to see Jeff in jail. They said are the four of you sticking together just for the sake of Lola and they all laughed and said no and Nancy said we're all family. So they said when Jeff does get out of prison this will be a family with someone missing still because Kat's gone and they said they asked on 48

hours they asked her parents or they asked how would you liked her to be remembered and Jeff's dad said a kind caring mother and Nancy said a kind caring person who loved her husband and loved her daughter very much. Apparently Lola is being raised jointly by both sets of grandparents who like trading her back and forth. 2021, Jeff files a motion. He wants his guns back. What? He's not gonna get them in jail, I don't think.

But he formally requests the return of his guns and other property confiscated during the investigation. None of that had anything to do with this. They said he wasn't shot. They seized firearms from his home and truck during the investigation They were not in evidence in the case and had nothing to do with the death and an autopsy found obviously the blunt force trauma He requested his guns along with other seized property to be released to his father

The guns were passed down to West from his grandfather Oh their antics heirlooms and he intends to give them to his son if he ever has one he said It's out or if he ever gets out or if his daughter's into shooting. So 2022 he appeals. He argued that the circuit court erred in denying his motion for a judgment of acquittal because at the end of the case, before it went to jury, they asked for an immediate acquittal here. Let's do a pre-deal.

And the judge said no, going, which is just standard. Every case does that. and they always say no. So he said the state failed to meet the burden of proof to satisfy requirements of his guilt and though he was indicted for murder, he was convicted of a lesser included offensive manslaughter and they said the charge, this is the law, the charge upon which the conviction rests is the only charge that is subject to appellate review. So the record reflects that West moved for a judgment of acquittal, notwithstanding the verdict,

and a motion for a new trial. He argued that the evidence was not sufficient to support the verdict and that the verdict was contrary to the great weight of evidence. He argued in a brief that this conviction was against the weight of evidence because the victim had a history of alcohol abuse. The matter of her death was fucking inconclusive.

It's still not a homicide. Her high degree of intoxication presented a finding of an accidental death and her injury was not inconsistent with a fall. The majority of the arguments were not supported by the evidence. That was presented at trial is what the appeals court said and his appeal is denied. There we go. So that is denied. He sits in prison. He can get out earliest. He can be out as 2033 We already did this, huh? We did that goddamn virtual live show or bastard how think about this though? Okay When we did this this was the 420 virtual live show How much weed did I make you smoke in a two-hour period?

That you're not used to smoking my word you didn't look you were like your were like, your eyes were like, I don't know, I think you think you would. The end of that was not good. You did not absorb much of this. I don't think. Was that Cheech and Chong? That was Cheech and Chong. Oh boy, that was that footlong.

Yeah, that was, I had the footlong joint that I rolled. I rolled the quarter pounder. The fatter, yeah. Not the real, but I rolled the big giant one and we had the fucking cross joint and all sorts of crazy shit. So. Oh, I had the soda stream in your face too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That thing, the Louvre. And the Louvre crazy shit. Oh, I had the soda stream in your face, too.

That thing, the Louvre. And the Louvre, yeah. Oh yeah, gotcha good. So there you go, everyone. That is, and we went into, we did a little bit more detail. We always do more detail in the main show because it's longer than a live show. And the live show, some of the details are,

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