Small Town Murder - #542 - Biting Off More... - Wiggins, Mississippi

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

This week, in Wiggins, Mississippi, a troubled man keeps getting in trouble with the law, doing increasingly crazy & violent things, even as everyone around tries to help him. He tried to eat a man's face, while in jail, and it gets worse from there. His murder is as absolutely brutal as it is senseless, with some of the strangest circumstances in the history of murder. Will a jury agree that he's insane???Along the way, we find out that goats, lambs & hogs are apparently the same thing, that sometimes, no matter how many people try to help you, it just won't matter, and that using improper tools to do CRAZY murder things are a good indication that you may actually be crazy!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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All right, we are going on down south again. We were in Alabama this week. Normally we don't lump the places in together, but this week is how it worked out. It's fun to do different regions because then you get a taste. But here we're going, we were in Alabama, now we're going to Mississippi.

Here, this is Wiggins, Mississippi. Chief Wiggins, or that's Wiggum. to Mississippi. Okay here. This is Wiggins, Mississippi Yeah, chief Wiggins. That's Wiggins. Oh, yeah, it is Wiggins. Okay, like a Dr. Seuss book Yes, W I G G I N S Mississippi Southern, Mississippi down in the old Mississippi Panhandle there So this is what I like to call it. That is where Alabama and Louisiana kind of intrudes on Mississippi down there where Alabama and Louisiana kind of intrudes on Mississippi down there. It's an hour and a half to Mobile, Alabama to the east and about an hour and a half to New Orleans to the west. Oh, look at that. It's right in between these two places. It's about five hours to our last Mississippi case, which was in Horn Lake, and that was called Burning Your BFF. Oh boy. That was wild stuff there. So yeah, that was a crazy s episode. This is in Stone County sure area codes

601 population here 4282 So a decent sized small town still a very small town thousands not that much not that much But it's not like 400 which is what we've been a couple of them lately Median household income here. It's low enough to be a problem. I would think Median household income here. It's low enough to be a problem. I would think $48,784 so my yeah more than 20,000 less than the national average median home cost here hundred thirty eight thousand nine hundred dollars Median home cost here that is So actually the 48,000 isn't that terrible when you put it in context to that and it's very inexpensive to live here overall

history of this town, okay86, James Madison Hatton, who is the son of Wiggins Hatton. Yeah, that was a first name. Wiggins. Wiggins Hatton his name was. Homesteaded 160 acres of north central Harrison County and they needed to have a definite place to meet and trade and exchange news for everybody to get together so a small village was established on a portion of James Madison Hatton's land. It was called Nile City. He didn't name it after himself or his dad. Nile City in honor of Judge H.C. Niles. Great guy. And then they tried to get a post office in that name in 1896 But there was already a Nile City, Michigan. So the post office department said no, thank you

I already had a Nile City Nile City which makes no sense because there is a hundred There's a bunch of city names and town names that are in every state. Yeah, how many Springfields are there? I thought it's a joke, you know, even Caledonia. There's like 30 Caledonia's. Cal what? Caledonia, there's like 20 Miamis in this country. People, more than one person had the idea to name it Caledonia. Yes. So, to honor Wiggins Hatton, they named it Wiggins here. This is great.

One of the first things they needed to do was build a town jail. So they built a town jail. It was a 12 by 20 foot, it was 10 foot high and had two rooms. Now they said that had to be very well constructed. They were very concerned about people breaking people out. So it was so well constructed that a few years later as a Halloween prank, some of the teenagers from the area, young boys from the area overturned the building. They turned it upside down. They flipped the jail over.

Like it's a Volkswagen Beetle. Yes, that's a prank right there. They came to work the next day and they were like, I'll be a son of a bitch. Dog my cats. This is a goddamn jail. How are we gonna get that dog thing back on its side? We're gonna have to arrest only people

walking on their hands from now on, because this isn't going to work. So later they decided that we should construct a new jail that the children can't overturn. If the kids can overturn, imagine what an angry mob or like a group of outlaws who are free a buddy could do. Perhaps spike that to the ground. Why are circus tents built stronger than this? They had some fires of course. In 1910 a fire destroyed

all of the business part of town and a few residents as well. Sure. And the meeting place was moved to a room located in the southwest corner of the school building and they had to fix shit and they rebuilt it with brick buildings. Smart. In 1912 the American Pickle and Canning Company was founded. Is that a... Wow. Absolutely. And then the plant burned to the ground in 1913.

Of course. A year later and then it was replaced again. Reviews of this town since we've never been here. Right. I don't know what's going on down there. Let's just find out. Maybe other people do. Here's five stars.

I love Wiggins, Mississippi. Sure you do. Fuck yeah. I've always lived here. Is that right? Ever since forever. Son of a gun.. I've always lived here. Is that right? Ever since forever. Son of a gun. Most of my family is here.

I love the small town atmosphere filled with people who genuinely care about you. Oh. Well they at least care about your business because they're nosy. I think that's what it is. I don't think they care about you. Jesus. But they care what you and your husband did and talked about and they're going to tell their friend.

There's no other town like Wiggins and I'm proud that this is my hometown Jesus here's three stars my town is and then in quotes all right Not the best to live in but it'll do there are some troubles in this town and Quit don't have the money to fix some things here. I mean quite that's what I would think Yeah, that's why I want to move on to better things and get away from the troubles of this town. Okay. Finally, two stars.

There aren't many things to do in Wiggins, nor are there many restaurants to eat at. Yeah, there's only 4,000 people. That's what I mean. There's only one high school and one middle school. It would be nice for more things to be opened up. They make it sound like there's a bunch of closed restaurants that they're just, they won't let you in. It's all set up in there. You look in, there's booths and shit. The kitchen's all cleaned up with stainless steel shit. They're like, they won't let us in. Open it up. Sign just says closed. I swear we'll buy stuff. Just

open it. Things to do here. Here we go. The Mississippi Music, Food, and Trail Ride Festival. Trail Ride too. Trail Ride. It is put on by Independent Chicks Entertainment. Oh. Yeah. And it's expected to draw nearly 10,000 people to this town, which is more than double. This town's about to grow by three?

They're going to triple the population of this town. There's something for everyone with live music, a car show, a talent contest with cash prizes. Those are always entertaining as we know. Vendors, food and more. Festival goers are invited to bring their lawn chairs, tents and picnic blankets too. Bring your tents. Bring a tent. Horses are even welcome here.

Eddie, whatever you got. Donkeys, horses, relatives from out of town. Bring them in. ride that motherfucker in What with a tent on the back of him? There's a contest for the best dressed cowboy and best dressed cowgirl hmm as well. What does that even mean? I don't know I'm fringy. Yeah turquoise II. Well, yeah, lots of lots of Silver is all I can imagine. I don't know. I don't know fancy cowboy Do you want me do you want him dressed like 1940s

cowboys? Do you want like a 40s movie? Can you have the three amigos cowboy? Or are we talking about like a real guy who actually does work on the fucking ranch? On a ranch hand or fucking, you know. Or Martin Short fighting El Guapo. Which one would you prefer?

Musical performances will be given by Lil A. Yep. Big B. Okay. TJ Eubanks. Yep. They always go by Nick, or initials. It's so weird.

It's the newlywed game host that's his kid there. Eubanks. Bob Eubanks. Bob Eubanks. That's him. Fia Flame, and Fia is F-Y-A-H. Oh my. Fia Flame, as Fia is F-Y-A-H. Fia Flame, as opposed to any other kind of flame.

Jones, Jones. That's the person. Jones, that's all, and others. I mean, all these people are vague as fuck. You might as well just make the rest vague. The auto show portion of the festival will feature DJ Baby Boy, and Babies with an I in B-O-I festival will feature DJ Baby Boy and babies with an I and Bo I is boy

Yeah, DJ Baby Boy. They said it's the first time they've hosted the event in Wiggins, but they've hosted it all over the place It's 25 bucks to get in which is steep down there. I guess all those people require fees How they're not doing it for free. Oh, you can't huh? You mean TJ you banks won't show up unless he's I don't work for free. All of his riders needs are met like what are we talking about DJ Baby Boy doesn't do shit for free buddy. Oh boy. And there's also the Stone County Fair yeah which features a horse show a queen contest a goat lamb and hog show it's not fair if the lambs have to compete against the hogs. That's not right. Goat, lamb, and hog?

Okay. I thought you said ham. A talent show? Eventually it'll be ham. A talent show. They all have talent shows. I hope there's just some rude redneck of Simon Cowell. It's got to be one, right?

I doubt it. That's good. Everybody's just going to support it. That's fine. That'll do. Well, next. Nick, there's a dessert contest sure obviously yeah that fits in here and then live

entertainment the Lincoln outfit which I think would be an unpopular band down here not yeah the Lincoln outfit generally not that's called the Union Army that's the Lincoln outfit that's called the people that made us do this work ourselves fuck them fuck that shit so So there's also rides and midway shit and everything. That said, let's talk about some murder here. Here we go. Okay. Let's start out with a young man.

Yep. All right. Tyrell Anterion Johnson. Tyrell? Tyrell is his first name, but one R, two Ls. Which is an odd spelling. And his middle name is Anterion. A-N-T-E-r-i-o-n

anterion which sounds like a space warrior Anterion from the planet Glaxo. Co like what the fuck is that? Wow. It sounds like a transformer. You know anterion There I saw a name Clee Anthony and it looks like Cleanthony. That's not good. Yeah. That's so bad. Yeah, you need an apostrophe in there.

Like the Bricasha. You got to do Bricasha, that bad boy. Cleanthony? No. So Terrell Manterion Johnson, he's born in 1989, old Anterion here. Yes. Now, he is born into a very good family.

He's the only child of a very close and good family here. His parents aren't married, they never will get married, but his father is a very well-known Reverend, Baptist Reverend, named the Reverend Rob Harris. Is that right? Which, I wonder if how much of his congregation knows about his wayward children. Yeah. And his mother is Sherry Johnson. I wonder if how much of his congregation knows about his wayward children.

And his mother is Sherry Johnson. So there's Reverend Bob Harris as the father, he takes the mother's name Sherry Johnson here. But they're both, she works in schools, he's a preacher, they're very well respected, she's from a very close-knit family, she lives on Johnson Road and like most of the people who live on the street are related to her. Okay, and it might be a family name of that. It is. No it is. Because all of them there's like all the different houses on there that are Johnson's so it's their history. That's it.

So they had their son when they were very young as well. I think Sherry was 22 when she had him and But they were never married. Yeah. Now Terrell as a young man, he served in the US Army. He was in the US Army. He attended community college for a while. But he had some problems. He just can't ever get it together. And we'll find out he's got some mental issues, and that's the main issue here.

He holds a lot of temp labor jobs, some landscaping and things like that. After the military, after trying to go to college, you can't like hold down a real, you know, a nine to five, basically. Well, you're catching up with him? Well, after college would be 2008. Wow.

I mean, or after army 2009, 10 around there. So he, yeah, he's attending community college. I mean, this isn't like way back in the day. This guy's on fucking Facebook. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not Instagram quite yet, but he'll get there. He could be on Twitter. It's possible. Next year. Next year? I think. Is it 2011 or 9?

I think 2008 was when it really started picking up. So he does all that. Never really steadily employed as an adult though. Doesn't have the same job for a year where he goes to work and comes home. It is tough when you don't have a contract to do it. Yeah, you can't really do that. So now he received from what the army said substantial psychiatric and psychological treatment in the past from multiple things, a psychotic disorder, schizophrenia spectrum, and chronic delusional disorder. If you put all three of those together.

That's a man seeing shit and lashing out. Yeah, if someone's schizophrenic who's seeing shit and then they're psychotic also, that is a fucking scary combination. So history of hospitalizations, has violent disputes with random people, family members. No one knows what the hell's wrong with him, other than those three things.

And he's not real receptive to treatment either. He's so kinda out there. 2015, wow, he has a banner year in 2015, we'll say. He's arrested three different times. And oof, one thing, the worst thing he does, he's never even gets charged for, which is wild. He's arrested three different times. And oof, one thing, the worst thing he does, he's never even gets charged for, which is wild. He's arrested three times, multiple charges, including domestic violence, assault, resisting

arrest, disorderly conduct, marijuana possession. His mother called the cops for help with him because she didn't know what to do with him anymore. And he assaulted a police officer in one scene. He's a mess. The first time the officers are called, this is called to the house, his mom calls him out. He's living alone, it's those two living at home.

It's her only child too. So they, he got mad, Terrell did, when his mother told him to, what do you think it was? Clean up. Turn off the TV. Is that right? When's the last time you got mad to what do you think it was clean up turn off the TV is that when's the last time you got back is your mom told you to turn off the TV when you were five I mean the Smurfs are on like

You know certainly too young to do anything about it. Yeah, this man is you know in his late 20s Yeah, so he freaked out he balled his hands into fists Like a child and said, what are you going to do? How are you going to make me do it? So his mother, fearful he was going to have a fucking meltdown, called the deputies, the sheriff's deputies to try to calm him down. And he didn't get calm. He actually got more agitated about the whole thing, fought with the deputies and they had to tase him multiple times in his own mother's living room to try to calm him down. Like a lot.

They had four or five times they had to tase him. So once he was shocked, they handcuffed him, took him to jail. Four days later. He's out. Oh, he's out by then, yeah. They let him out. He's feeling much better now.

And four days later, they had to come back to the house Cuz Sherry reported that she and her son were talking in the kitchen and he grew belligerent in her words her son picked her up and threw her a Distance of seven to eight feet out of the back door and into the yard injuring her right arm threw her out the door Picked her up and tossed her out the door. He's a big guy. He's not a small guy. He's like an athletic guy He spoke strong and bounced her he took her ass and said out the door ma She flew through the goddamn man won't have any of your shit in this establishment today

She called deputies for help and then fled next door to her mother's house. His grandma lives next door here. So they show up and it's just him alone when they get there, Terrell alone. He fought with the deputies. They tried to handcuff him. He's taking swings at him. He's fighting him. So they had to tase him four times on this occasion.

So he's been tased like almost 10 times in four days. That's a lot. Can't be good for your heart and other things I would imagine. Those things like they instantly turn something in your blood into sugar. It does something chemically. It's not good. It's not good for you. No. It raises your blood sugar or something. It does something to your blood that when your muscles contract it doesn't. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah weird. Yeah, I know what you're talking about too. There's a protein in it that messes with it or something.

Yeah, it does something to your blood. It's not healthy. It's not good for you. Not for four fucking shocks and four to, eight, seven, eight, a lot. Multiple D, a lot. Yeah, it's like eight to 10 over the course of four days. That's too much.

These four stunnings, he's so agitated this time, that doesn't even do it. He's still fighting with them. So they have to beat him with a baton after stunning him four times to get him into custody. By the way, these cops are not against him. One of the cops is a cousin of them and knows them well and used to be this guy's mentor. They're on his side. They're just a beat up. They know the family like all these guys It's a small area all the cops one of their relatives is a sheriff's deputy, too So they are not just that guy another guy so they all somebody on scene is crying because they don't do this

They know they're not just like oh, let's go take a guy down This is they know this guy so they're like they don't want please Tarell Don't make us beat the shit out of making us do this kicking them punching them They don't want, please, Tyrell, don't make us beat the shit out of you anymore. Stop making us do this. When he's kicking them, punching them, throwing shit at them. This hurts you more than it hurts me. Fuck. So they had to take him to jail again.

May 2015, okay. There was a complaint of someone stealing gas from a gas station. Yeah? Put the gas in and drove away. Didn't pay for it, all right? That's a fascinating thing that's still available. It's very rare that that's still available can't believe you can there's some small towns other like that they don't they don't have pay first you can gas up first

then go pay for it which they don't have a way to lock the gas pump crazy no they just have we trust you yeah the power's on it may not trust you in the big city but here we trust you so he they try to pull him over because it's his vehicle that they've described he won't pull over no nope he won't pull over they finally get him to pull over at a gas station another gas station he is told to stay out of his vehicle and leave the air and and not leave the area, stay right there. And of course he didn't, he got back in the car,

took off again. He then takes off and takes, ends up driving the car, leading them on a chase to a house out in the county, I don't even know whose house it is, ends up in the house and has a standoff with the cops. He gets in the house before he locks it up and has a big standoff with the cops. Eventually, he surrenders, mainly because he had to be treated at the hospital for shitloads of self-inflicted knife wounds that he was doing on him.

He's just cutting himself. He's cutting and stabbing himself while he was in there. Wow. So eventually he gave up and he's like, I guess I got to go to the hospital. I'm all fucked up. There's no good outcome for this. No. This is gave up. He's like, I guess I got to go to the hospital. I'm all fucked up There's no good outcome for this. No, this is fucked up. He needs Medication would be a inpatient inpatient medication. He needs all the Asians. Yeah Asians and Asians He can't operate any vehicles or no or jobs. That's what I mean. You can't give this guy power tools

That's not a functioning number society. We need to take care of him. So June 29, 2015, he's in the Stone County Correctional Facility. Yeah, of course he is. It's rough. So there he encounters Jaren Stubbs, who's an inmate who's there for methamphetamine distribution. Fantastic. Very nice guy here. He's a federal pretrial detainee housed in this place. And I guess here comes Terrell. They got in a in an argument and we'll talk about why in a moment here. But during the attack, Terrell attacks this man and beats him severely.

And this guy said he didn't know that Terrell was going to attack him. He said, in fact, before the attack, the only interactions they ever had one on one was this guy a couple of weeks before that telling Johnson that Johnson couldn't take food belonging to other inmates in the cafeteria. He was just taking food off people's plates. Like, dude, you can't do that. I wouldn't. I wouldn't tell him. I will learn. Well, someone's going to fucking stay. I'm not teaching him what Terrell is considered in prison, what would be called is a bug. That's what they call these guys.

They call the crazy ones that aren't in a mental unit, they call them bugs. Everybody avoids them. They sit by themselves in the cafeteria, usually maybe three, four at a time, they'll sit together, and that's the bug table, they'll call it. The bugs know, everybody knows not to fuck with them

They're fucking mentally ill out of control and you don't you don't tell them not to do shit or do shit There's no reasoning with them No that and that's what it is you have to beat them to death if you want is easier just to avoid them So most of the inmates they just avoid the bugs. That's what they do and that's what Torell is. He's a bug and This guy decided to try to I guess I don't know and who knows how he told him We don't know if he's like bug. And this guy decided to try to, I guess, I don't know, and who knows how he told him. We don't know if he's like, Hey man, just for me to you, you're gonna get pissed off or he was like, Hey motherfucker, don't take shit off people's plates. Either way there was no, there was no problem at that moment. Okay. Happened a couple of weeks

later. So Stubbs, the Jaren Stubbs here, he was only, only resided in the same zone as Terrell, J-Zone, for a two-month period. Okay. And so apparently he said that Johnson not only attacked him, attacked several other people around him. He just started going nuts. All at the same time? All at the same time. But he really, really attacked Stubbs.

He beat him severely and bit his nose off his face and bit his lips off. He bit his nose to the point where when they took him to the hospital it was sitting in a cup of ice next to him. They bit his nose off his body and spit it on the floor. Ben bit the man's lips off. Have you ever heard of that? I've seen it not by a battle I've seen a lip get torn off. That is wild. It's fucked up That's a I've never heard of two men fighting and one yeah biting the other man's lips off

I've never heard of that before yeah, Tyson stopped at the ear. Yeah, he was a nibble He didn't go in for a whole nose. He took his whole nose whole nose off So this guy will end up suing the government, the federal government, the federal prison, alleging that Terrell was only in general population because his cousin, Captain Ray Boggs, is a local sheriff's deputy. Really? And that's the thing here. We're dealing with a small town, and they, the cops know him, and rather than him being in isolation, which is a lot of times where they put these people so they can keep their medicine and all that kind of shit, they just put him in Gen Pop because that's where he wanted to

be. What? Who gives a fuck what he wants? They wanted to help him out. So after the attack, Stubbs was brought to the prison infirmary, but his injuries were deemed sufficiently serious that they couldn't fix them there, so he was sent to the Forest General Hospital. The hospital staff advised prison officials that he'd receive better care at another facility.

Yeah. We can't really do this. We can't do plastic surgery here. No, well that was just at the hospital. And then so they moved him again to the Merritt Health Center. So he's been moved all the way around here. With his nose on ice. With his nose on ice. With his nose on ice.

He received subsequent plastic surgeries on his mouth and nose. However, after a surgery on October 15th, 2018, they stopped giving him treatment. And he said he still has trouble breathing through his nose, he's all fucked up, and he wants more medical attention. The complaint said, once they put the nose back on,

they were like, that's good enough. It's on, what do you want? So they said that he was not given pain medication while being transported, despite him having his nose and lips bitten off and bleeding profusely from the face. And then you put my upper lip on the bottom and the bottom on the top, what are you doing? What are you doing?

I look super weird now. So he said that jail officials failed to protect him from assault, violating his 8th and 14th Amendment rights. According to the lawsuit, they unlawfully mixed Johnson, who was a county inmate, in with federal pretrial detainees. The lawsuit also alleges that Johnson was unstable, mentally ill, and posed a threat to other inmates, and claims that Stubbs should have been placed in an isolated cell, but because of his relation to Captain Boggs, he was moved around the jail and the jail kept him in the

general population. It alleges that employees at the jail failed to keep Stubbs safe and were untrained to handle the assault. Very few people are trained to handle a nose that's off your face. Most people are ill prepared to... Put lips back on a person's face? To stop a person that does that from doing it. It's so shocking. Yeah. Well, that's not normal behavior.

How would you... Where would you start? Even in prison, that's like, holy shit. What are you doing, man? If that's aberrant behavior for prison, you know you're fucking nuts. You didn't file down a toothbrush, you're just biting faces? Man, so Stubbs alleges that the jail staff were aware of the mental illness of Johnson and should have kept him in an isolated cell for disciplinary problems also it suggests that

Johnson was allowed to be remain in the general population posing a threat to other inmates. It complains that the uh the complaint says that the federal Bureau of Prisons has failed to pay for required plastic surgery, leaving Johnson deformed and suffering from PTSD whenever he views his face in the mirror. Yeah, or when I go to the fucking dentist. Seeing a tooth, anything. Well they're like, open up, and he's like, it's already done, pal. I can't close. Got you covered.

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2016 yeah, cuz that's what he was Johnson was being held in jail awaiting trial and stuff So in 2016 he pleads guilty to all of his other shit, not the attacking the inmate. His sentence is five years in prison, but it's suspended. What? They say no no no we need him on the streets. He's a valuable member of society. How did he get such a great lawyer? So they suspend the five-year sentence and instead give him three years of probation, not even fiveyear sentence and instead give him three years of probation, not even five years. Oh, like the sentence, three years of probation. Now the, her probate, his probation officer said that she tried to get him sent to prison, but the state never followed

her recommendations. She constantly tried to get him put away. She's violating them always. Yep. She, in 2017 in March March his probation was revoked Okay, and he was ordered to attend and successfully completed an inpatient drug and alcohol treatment program at the VA Hospital Okay, so he tested dirty. Yeah, I mean that's the other thing too. He likes drugs and booze and when you're rocks He does he's doing math don't know when your brain guy. We know he likes weed You know that much but I don't know if he's Yeah, you don't eat people's faces on weed. No, I mean I've heard of the munchies. That's yeah Thanks uncle Jimmy First one's a work joke, second one's bad, third one's a light one. Yeah, that's true. That's a comedian's credo, everybody. That's

what we say in our heads. Not that. You get a Snickers, man. Yes. I love it though. That's what it was. This is real munchy out of candy. The guy's got to have, it's got to be something hard drugs though. Yeah, this is- He's gotta be doing something else. Also, I think if your brain chemistry is that fucked up, where you have schizophrenic shit, delusional disorders, I think any messing with it. Yeah, it's a pretty- Alcohol.

It's gotta be tea. Weed. Yeah. It could push it here, it could push it there. We're like on a, if you got like a base that's got like a square, his top of that square is super narrow. Oh, fuck yeah. And it's ready to just, either side, it's no good. He's the leaning tower of Terrell right now. He's about to fucking fall at any moment.

So. Oh boy. She said that he was kicked out of the VA program after that though. And she said that the probation officer said she recognized the violent tendencies of Terrell and wanted him incarcerated, but the state wouldn't follow her recommendation. She said, when I was his PO,

I tried everything in my power to get him sent to prison. She didn't wanna deal with him. Wow, yeah, I can't deal with this guy. You almost wanna falter for being lazy for not doing her job to take care of somebody, but how fucking crazy do you got to be to make a parole officer go, this isn't what I do. This is crazy.

Put him away. Yeah. But also how many people have a parole officer that really wants to put them in prison and can't get them put in prison? Usually a parole officer. That's the end all be all. Send me right back there. She said, yeah, tried to do everything in her power and Jackson would not allow that

Whatever they said they called me from Jackson Which is the capital right they called me from Jack Jackson asking quote why I was being so hard on him He ate a man's face. What the fuck are you talking about? I think you gotta keep that guy in line and asking me why I wouldn't allow him to go to the VA for treatment. Just send him in for treatment. He's fine. Yeah, but he's got connections. His family has connections is the problem. Right. And it's not helping this guy. He needs help. He doesn't need to... I wonder what did this? So she said that he'd already been kicked out of the VA but given no other option by a higher-ups in Jackson had sent him there

again. Wow. Try that again. She said she told Jackson that they didn't know the type of person that she was dealing with. You don't know this fucking guy. Right. I get whatever you know somebody who's telling you something, you read a report. Right. This motherfucker is crazy. Dangerous.

I said, what do you do for a living? He said, Captain Crunch. That doesn't make sense. I don't know what to do. I can't deal with this guy. Yeah, and I've read his report and every time he tells me he's hungry I get very scared. I get scared exactly start covering my face Yeah, wear a ski mask for every visit or a medieval helmet. Oh shit a fucking huge one He's she said but they didn't listen and I had to recommend to the judge that he be given another chance at the VA where he got kicked out again. Just, they can't do it. They're not prepared and qualified to deal with that.

And this is in a rehab center where people sometimes have some problems, but he has mental illnesses that are not what they deal with. He lives in Wiggins? He lives in Wiggins on Johnson Street with his mom. This town is incapable of caring for him. They can't, no and it's even worse because this town he has too many connections so they keep he keeps getting soft landings. Goddamn. I mean not that he needs punishment, but he needs, I don't know he might, but he needs help at some, he needs something. Guidance. He can't just go out and be a person. No. He needs mental health. Yeah. Guidance. He needs a lot of shit going on here.

Look, Yeah, guidance. He needs a lot of shit going on here look There are people in the world life is bowling some people need the fucking gutter covers That's yeah, some people need the bumpers and he needs them. He needs them bad Yeah And also if you could put like 20 pins out there for sure you can get a lot of them to really set it up Make them feel good, you know minimum 12 Let's get an extra row back there. If he gets 10 we'll call it a strike. You know what I mean? He doesn't have to get them all. Just give him an extra chance to hit the pins. So in May 2017 he's sentenced to attendance and completion of a long-term drug and alcohol treatment program with the Mississippi Department of Corrections. So that's what he gets sentenced to then. Now, by April of 2018, the court ruled,

so this is almost a year he's in there, the court ruled that Johnson had successfully completed the DOC's drug and alcohol treatment program and his probation was increased by two years and he was released from incarceration. That was the deal. You can get out, but you have to hear, you have to be on probation.

We have to be able to keep an eye on you. Yeah. I would say. Forever. So yeah, for all times, in a room, preferably with cameras on it all the time. And padded. And padded, a lot of stuff here, yeah.

So he's going to get out and move in with his mom again, with Sherry Johnson, because he has nowhere else to go. So Sherry Johnson here, she's born in 67. So she's 51 at this point, 2018. Yeah. She comes from a very tight knit family. Like we said, her mother, her sister, two of her brothers all live in different houses near her on Johnson Road. So this is, this is how it goes. Johnson comes from the type of family that follows quote, this is from Boggs by the way, the captain, police captain and relitant, said that they're the type of family that follows what he calls quote, the old ways, I don't like that, of sitting outside on Sunday afternoon and just talking. Okay. Old time

issues. Yeah. A family member grills out a lot and all the families get together to eat on the street. Southern barbecue day. Yeah. Somebody's getting together on that street and doing everything. After church. Oh, absolutely. They're going to church for sure. We know that because Sherry's big in the church. She is a guy, at this point, she's a guidance counselor at Hattiesburg High School. That's what she does for Sherry. Sherry had been a counselor. Her son could use some guidance counselor. So she'd been working as a counselor since 2014. Before that, she worked in the

Harrison County School District from 2007 to 2014, and that's what they said. Now she also worked at North Gulfport Middle School, part of the county school district from 2010 to 2014. She also worked at a school in Mobile. Now Darrell L. Williams and his wife Catherine were Sherry's next-door neighbors on the other side. Mom on one one side them on the other when they lived in or I'm sorry, this is when they lived in Mobile they were their neighbors and This is through Terrell Johnson's middle school years. They lived in Mobile

So this guy said his wife and Sherry Johnson still remain close friends and stay in touch. So they're nice people Terrell was around the same age as this guy's son and they played football together, they had sleepovers together, they were, you know, neighborhood pals. Yeah, two 12 year olds live next door to each other. You like football, I like football, we're best friends now. Do you have one?

Let's throw it, fuck. Let's be Milhouse and Bart, like, you know, we have nothing in common but here we are. So they did all of that, they had sleepovers. Williams said we were always at their house or they were always at our house. And then the Johnsons moved to Stone County and moved to Wiggins.

And that's when Terrell joined the military after high school and all that kind of thing. Everybody said over the years, Sherry Johnson is always right there in her son's corner trying to help them always, trying to get them treatment, trying to help them, taking him in. She never says, you're too much, you can't come to my house, never.

It's all her friends says she loves him unconditionally and she knows he's got problems and she's known for a long time. And they thought like the army would help him out. But if you're schizophrenic, the army isn't gonna help you with that. You've got three different mental health challenges there. That ain't easy.

You don't have a problem. So the police had visited her home numerous occasions, as we know. Now June 3rd, 2018, Sherry goes to church that day. Of course, it's a Sunday. And she even made plans with her friend after they talked after church that later in the day they were going to get together to go over some more Bible stuff They didn't get enough church that day Not enough church. They're like, let's go over a couple things on this. I don't really understand Joe

Let's talk about let's find out about him tonight. You say I'm a nice Sunday night deal So but she said that night she never heard from Sherry. Oh, she called Sherry nobody answers She figured it out on her own. What the hell? I guess we're not I guess we're not gonna find out the mysteries of the Bible tonight No one's figured it out in thousands of years, and I guess it's not gonna be us either. Okay, so this day the She had talked to a couple people on the phone not this lady But a couple other people relatives and such and said that people on the phone, not this lady, but a couple other people, relatives and such, and said that Terrell's having a bad day. It's not great. She said over the phone to two

different people that he was quote, psychotic today and has lost his fucking mind without the fucking, cause you know, she was in the Jesus and shit. So, but he's lost it today. He's lost it today. So no one hears from Sherry the third, the rest of the day on the third. No one hears from her on the fourth. No one hears from her on the fourth No one hears from her on June 5th. Oh boy. So June 6th 2018 Sherry's brother Said this is bullshit. He had called a bunch of times

He went over to the house to say where the fuck is my sister and Tyrell had said that she went on a cruise with her friends, oh She didn't tell anybody nobody else knew about no And Terrell had said that she went on a cruise with her friends. Oh. She didn't tell anybody. Nobody else knew about this. No, it's one of those, people do this a lot. The last minute cruises, you're sitting around, you're like, I'm going on a cruise tonight and you just leave. That happens very, people don't plan that shit for months in advance and buy special

clothes and throw a windbreaker in a suitcase and off you go. I'll buy the rest on the ship. She's already got tons of sun dresses. Everything's fine. I'll bet you they got a mall on the ship. She's already got tons of sundresses. Everything's fine I'll bet you they get a mall on that shit. That's not by at all So they didn't believe him obviously and they said well, let us come in the house and he said no No, you can't come in stay out. They're like, hey, that's not gonna work. So the brother Terrell's uncle calls law enforcement

Cuz he said he wants a welfare check because Tarell won't let him in the fucking house. And they know she's not on a cruise because she would kind of probably tell you ahead of time. Some big information. Yeah, I'm gonna take off work. It's a big thing. I need a ride down to the Gulf Coast. I need a ride to the ocean, you know, things like that.

So the sheriff's department, Stone County, first went to the Johnson home on June 6th to do the welfare check and Captain Boggs arrives, that is the cousin, he's the guy there, knows them all his life and everything and so they arrive and Terrell is on, Terrell's on the porch when they arrive and he walks down into the driveway to meet them, greet them and they say, hey, we're just here, your uncle called looking for your mom and you wouldn't let him in and you know, just what's up. And he said, yeah, I told him already.

Same thing I'm gonna tell you guys. Sure friend picked her up and they were going on a cruise. They jumped on a carnival. That's it. I don't know, man. You know, last minute cruise invitation happens. So they said, okay, well, that makes sense. I mean, yeah, it's good to get away.

But just to reassure your uncle and the rest of your family, and it's kinda, you know how people get. Just let us go take a little looky-loo. Do a once around. You're gone in five minutes, you go back to what you're doing and we'll be all fine. And he said, yeah, sure, no problem, come on in. So they came on in, I just didn't want to take shit

from his uncle yeah but he's okay with his cousin Boggs here so interesting they walk around everything in the house seems normal normal they get to Sherry's bedroom and her doors locked oh they're like that's interesting why would she lock this would you lock this now during this Johnson's walking around he's got shorts on no shirt. He's just kind of pacing around in circles Yeah, they said the distores locked. How do we get that? And he said, I don't know She locked it before she left town man when she leaves she locks the door so I can't get in there. There you go So they're like, huh? Okay. Yeah, she's on a cruise though. And they're like, okay. Yeah, but we got it We have to check all the rooms. It's just part of of procedure we have to check it off the box there's a

force kick it there's a form so they end up figuring out how to open the door and Jesus Christ when Captain Ray Boggs opens the door here he said quote when I entered the bedroom I immediately noticed blood everywhere really the walls the bed the floor the ceiling were covered in blood. Butcher scene in there. I mean, fucking covered in blood, like someone exploded in there. Look, when I'm gonna rush out the door, sometimes I throw a little behind. You know what, too?

You cut yourself and you spray it. They found everything. Ceiling walls, floors, it's just smeared. It's smeared, it's spattered. It's everything What's your excuse man? They also find a bloody butter knife and also a serrated knife nearby that doesn't appear to be bloody except for some spatter But not but the butter knife looks like it's covered in blood what? Yes, so they're like

Okay, something bad happened in here. Yeah. The bog said, quote, I must have been to a hundred crime scenes in my career, but never one like this. It was heinous. So they they're like, hey, but she's not in there, by the way. There's no Sherry. No Sherry.

Just blood everywhere. They're like, listen, what happened? You know that that roommate right now. Like this is this is fucked up Where is your mom? She's on a cruise No, she's not without her blood. She's not Not without a fucking what she say cuz she didn't take this. She's a few pints short. Yeah, so I don't think she's getting Two of those tropical drinks she's's going to fall over, man. It's not going to be good.

She's not going to have to worry about boat sickness. No, certainly not. She's already dizzy. So finally he said, she's in the backyard. Oh. And they go, okay. They walk out the back door and they find Sherry. She's just right there?

Her body is laying by a tree. It's just strewn over by a tree in the corner of the yard. Problem is there's no head on the body. What? It's a headless body laying there. So they're like, um, Hey, um, head, little more help. Little help. They end up finding her head on the other side of a fence. He threw it about 12 to 15 feet from the body He just took it off and threw it off threw it like a grenade Wow don't need that Here is this

2018 this is crazy. This is fucking crazy. So it's it's insane. So they were Boggs said that law enforcement was attempting to be Respectful, they talked about it, but they said it. Boggs said, it's already out there so I can tell you. Her head was detached from her body, but out of respect to the family. I'm not going to go into that. That's my cousin. That's my cousin.

He said, this is by far the worst thing I've seen in law enforcement. Part of it is knowing the family and knowing the suspect. How did he think? You know what? That no one would, he could just hang out in the house Those three pieces of mental illness man Wow She knows they asked him like what happened right and he said we got in a fight over credit cards Yeah, she has no head

Didn't credit punch her in the mouth or anything. She has no head You could just bit her nose off like the other guy leave her lips leave the rest of her head alone the whole head so a fight ensued and they fought it looks like that Sherry fought back to they fought and he said he choked her until she stopped moving then this she wasn't dead yeah she was unconscious he choked her unconscious okay after choking her he saw that on her this was in her bedroom on her nightstand. There was a butter knife Yeah, so he grabbed the butter knife Used the butter knife and his quote hands and teeth to take her head off

He bit her head off. He chewed through her fucking tendons and spinal, a butter knife isn't getting through that shit. He bit, he chewed his mother's head off. And then wiggled it until it came free. And his hands just tearing shit apart. How long ago? Three days ago. He did this on the third. This happened on the third. And he just left her outside. They said, why did you... First of all, why'd you take her out of her room if that happened in a room? And he said, I didn't want it to stink up the house. I like my house to smell good. The answers are so crazy. They get worse and worse. This is the craziest person we've ever talked about. How do you ask any more questions? Yeah, so he told them

that yeah, he just didn't want to stink. He didn't want to stink up the house, man. Just to ruin the house. It gets in the carpet. There's no resale. Yeah, then what am I going to do when I want to resell this bad boy? Sometimes pink doesn't even fix it. So Sherry had stab and cut wounds to her neck and head area, but there's no other visible injuries to the rest of her body. Just a butter knife. Choked her out, used his hands, teeth, and a butter knife to decapitate a person.

Unbelievable. I'm not gonna get too gross here, but think about if there's a corpse. Think about if someone gave you a butter knife and said, get that person's head off. You'd go, what? That ain't gonna do it. How the fuck am I gonna do that? And they go, use your hands and teeth.

How crazy would you have to be to go, oh yeah, duh, thanks, sorry, that's a good idea. I didn't even think about that. That makes more sense. That makes much more sense. So yeah, that is crazy. So Boggs said he was told the press he was close to Johnson's. He even was a mentor to Terrell years ago. Tried to help him out. He said Sherry was a really good lady, a really good mother and really loved your family.

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after church each Sunday. People knew, know and love this family. And this has impacted a lot of not only her family, but the community, her friends, and the students she had counseled in her career, too Yeah, miss Johnson won't be in today because her head is on the other side of a fence and it's the most uneven you don't even mean the The recklessness. Oh, it's crazy. Capitation is crazy. There's no attempt to know there's no attempt to dismount. Nothing's clean

It's just oh, it's torn chunks. Things are dang jagged would be a good way to put It's a jag. Oh my god, and he never even try to get away with it He locked the door through a body in the back here didn't even put up He didn't even cover it up with a tarp and he just thought they'd look in the house and leave I don't think he thought that I don't think he cared. I don't think he thought I really know I don't think he's nobody's capable of no nobody locks the door and goes They won't want to look in there Out of sight out of mind. Yeah, no, man

So the autopsy says she died from blunt force trauma Yeah, and that her body exhibited evidence of numerous previous assaults as well He's been beating the shit out of his mom while the head trauma would have caused her death They weren't able to determine if she was dead when her head was removed, but he said she was unconscious. So I'm gonna go with him because it would be better for him to say she was dead. And he goes, I don't know. She was just unconscious. I started cutting her head off. She couldn't stop it.

Wow. So he cut a live person's head off. That's unbelievable. That's Unbelievable. With a butter knife and used teeth. Yeah. And probably, if you wait till after somebody's dead for a while So a lot of that blood is not it's not yummy. It doesn't have the force right? Right? It's still got a pump. Oh, yeah That's why it's every still popping. Yeah, God every damn

So they collected two knives multiple blood stains and a comforter which was located near the body It was just out in the yard. It was too bloody So you threw that out to it was gonna going to stink. The jury, they have for the jury later on, they have DNA evidence tying him to the murders. Not that you need it. You got his words. I mean, you got his words and he's the only guy in the house. And you know, so yeah, he confesses on an audio tape to killing his mother. He said he and his mother got into

an argument over credit cards. He said he tried to walk away, but she kept at him. Yeah tried to get away from her She kept breaking my fucking chops. You can divorce a wife. You can't do that to your mom No, no, you could get your own fucking apartment He said it escalated into a fight and bog said he told me that he beat her up real bad He said he got out of hand you think that the understatement of the year sunk your teeth into your mom's neck. I think the understatement of the year is showing up to a headless body that's had its head chewed off and thrown over a fence and going, well, let's get out of hand. That's almost sarcastic. Like it's, yeah yeah it's almost like what would be said on fucking SVU

yeah by iced iced tea yeah this got out of hand well it's like a bad sitcom like that one yeah it's one of those like it's a bad fucking sitcom cliche god damn it I could have gone better how did he say that so this guy said yeah he decapitated her with the butter knife. His words, he used his hands and teeth to decapitate his own mother. His words. Now, while being led into court to do his plea, or the initial appearance, he's being led, they get him out of a police car and they walk him across the street into the court and there's a shitload of people there, media and stuff. Trying to see what an absolute monster looks like. And they're asking him questions.

He turns and says, quote, I plead guilty. And then they said, could you explain? And he said, you'll have to ask my lawyer. And then he walked inside. OK, this guy's a party. This guy's a fucking party. So his attorney now, Jim Davis is his attorney. Isn't that the guy who draws Garfield?

I believe yeah, I think it is his attorney Jim Davis taking a week off from Garfield Yeah, he's feeding Torella's onion core Said his client has a history of mental health issues and is working to get all the documents from me because some of this shit's From the army. That's hard to get documents documents He said quote. This is not a normal homicide. No, you think So I think that a lot of cries out a lot of it kind of cries out that something is strange here Yeah, I would say yeah This doesn't happen it Daniel pearl was put down much more humane. Oh my god. This is crazy. This is insane. This is nuts.

No, this is unbelievable. Yeah, if you shipped him off to some like terrorist camp and they said, how do you take people's heads off? And he told them they'd go, Oh God, we're going to have to send you. You can't work here. I'm sorry. I mean, we're brutal, but you are. That's too much.

And nobody wants, do you want to taste? No, no one wants it. Why would you do that? You get it in your mouth. So the lawyer goes on to say, and this is funny. This is the best ellipses of all time. He goes the allegation of decapitation is very Dot dot dot there's a why behind that And I think trying to determine the why is very important and that's gonna be one of our major things to try and resolve Yeah, how fucking crazy is this guy?

He said that his client was insane when he committed the crime and prosecutors though say he wasn't insane, he was under the influence of drugs and he knew exactly what he was doing. What drugs was he on? Who knows? They don't know. They're just saying it was drugs, not crazy. So his lawyer indicated that the hearing, that it was too early to say whether to use an insanity defense for Johnson,

if there's ever a time to use an insanity defense. I mean, this is it, right? A guy with diagnosed mental illness who did the craziest fucking thing on Earth that's ever happened. I would say this is, if ever the fucking stars are gonna align to get an insanity defense, this is the case.

Yeah, a mental health guy that documented that chewed through a neck? Yeah. Chewed through a larynx. Okay. Yeah. Through your mom's larynx. Your mother.

That's your mom. Yeah. That's crazy. Jesus. So he said after the hearing, the lawyer said that he'll take time to acquire Johnson's hospital records. He said, I've handled numerous insanity cases. And he said he'd won one or two.

But he said, trust me, or two but he said trust me jurors don't like them so you better have a very strong case if you go bring that to a jury because that's true jurors reject that shit no matter how crazy I think I think this one's a slam dunk he said the decapitation concerns him the most though he said yeah I think there's a why behind that and I think we need to determine it again. So Sherry's friend said this she said she came to the hearing to support the family Yeah She said I mean a young life gone from such a positive person that had such an impact on kids and our families in our Community or praying for his family praying for the community praying for Hattiesburg High and I just hope that justice will be served

Go Wildcats. Look at who the fuck they are. Probably the Wildcats. That's what everybody... Probably, yeah. Either that or like the Jeff Davises or some fucking Confederate shit. The Stonewall Jacksons. So his dad shows up at court. Really?

The good Reverend Rob Harris shows up at court. Now he shows up? Now he shows up? Now he shows up. Where were you? You're a bit late. Where were you during the chewing, sir? Yeah. And he said he didn't want to comment on the case. He recently retired as the head maintenance man for Stone County, the whole county, and is a Baptist minister there they're talking about. Now, while they lead our guy out of court here, they're trying to get him to say something. He passes the son Harold and the TV cameras and he turns to them and he says, I've done

it. And then keeps going. So you put those together. I plead guilty. I done it. So he's saying that. Talk to my lawyer. Funny thing is he might get his mom's insurance money still.

What? Okay, he could receive $150,000 of her life insurance policy and inherit her estate as well. One of her brothers had been named as the administrator of her estate, which is being probated in Stone County, and the judge will decide how the insurance and estate money should be distributed only after Terrell Johnson's mental competency to stand trial is determined. They said if he's crazy he could get it all. If he's not convicted of a violent crime, if it's you know not guilty by reason of insanity. So they said Sherry didn't have a will. Terrell was the only beneficiary listed on the 51 year old's high school guidance counselor's life insurance policy. Alpha Life Insurance Corp has

deposited the payout from her policy with the court until a rightful beneficiary is established. Money from the sale of her cars and house which is being repaired will also be painted I hope will be deposited into an estate account as well. They said unless Johnson willfully killed his mother, willfully being the main word, he could, under state law, inherit her estate and be awarded the proceeds of insurance. Insanity, if that ends up happening here, his lawyer said that the court records, said in court records that Johnson does not object to money being held in trust until the murder is resolved. So it's fine that that's good. So it's going

to be held in a trust here. In addition to representing Johnson in a criminal case, Davis is also serving as his guardian in the estate case. Why? Because he can't do shit on his own here. So, wow. Instead of Johnson's convicted of first degree murder, he will not collect the money because the charge involves a willful or premeditated killing. However, an insanity defense or a guilty plea or a conviction or guilty plea to manslaughter means under state law that the killing was not willful and he could collect the money. So even manslaughter.

They said though, the lawyer said, we haven't settled on a defense. We're still in the early stages, but there are a lot of mental health records in this case that would make it a very easy to establish lack of mental capacity case. And that could lead to a finding of not guilty or manslaughter. And he said that delusional history dates to his early days in the military. He's had these problems. And that was documented by the military. It's very obvious.

So they have a psychiatrist they put him in front of here. She's a psychiatrist, Sarah Deland from New Orleans. And part of her report is, regarding his competency to proceed, it's my opinion with reasonable medical certainty that due to his mental illness, Mr. Johnson does not have the ability to perceive or to understand the nature of the proceedings, to communicate rationally with his attorney – rationally would be the word there, I mean – to recall relevant facts and to testify

in his own defense. His thought disorganization prevents him from being able to testify relevantly or be cross-examined. He cannot focus on the topic and he has problems with his perception of reality. Yeah. It is my recommendation to the court that Mr. Johnson be found not competent to proceed and be hospitalized for inpatient competency restoration. So fix him up till we can try him. Yeah.

But this happens. That was in 2019. Nothing happens with all of this. I guess they're going through all the mental shit to find incompetent finally, till 2024. This year. Just this year. August as a matter of fact.

Five years to get him straight. Just a couple months ago. So at trial, they're gonna go to trial with this. The judge warned the Johnson family before testimony started they shouldn't gasp or otherwise display their emotions in front of the jury. He said this is a very emotional and difficult case and testimony to hear. So if you can't hear it, you gotta go.

So his attorney here, this is Terrell's attorney again, argued his client should be acquitted because he didn't know what the fuck he was doing when he killed his mother. The prosecutors disagree. One prosecutor said the defendant knew what he was doing on this day. When he killed his mother, he knew it. Instead, they show the jury Terrell's statements to deputies where he confessed to killing his mother. Said the defendant and his mother got in an argument over credit cards.

The defendant then admitted to assaulting and choking his mother in her bedroom and killing her. The jury heard, will hear how the defendant described using a knife and his teeth to remove his mother's head from her body. The defense said, his state of mind when he committed the murder was what mattered, not how he behaved days later.

Told the juror that he has a serious mental condition. Fuckin' three of them as a matter of fact. He said he's clearly delusional in his thought process. The prosecutor then presented one of his uncles, one of his mom's brothers, and he said he called law enforcement for the welfare check. They have a battle of the shrinks, because the defense psychiatrist said he's out of his fucking mind, and the state psychiatrist said he's out of his fucking mind and the state psychiatrist said he gets it.

We think he understands what's popping off here. Wow. Which is pretty remarkable. That's a ballsy thing to say. I would fucking say so. I don't think there's anybody capable of doing what he did that is even remotely sane. Yeah. That buys their own groceries.

Unless they were on like a 12 day meth binge. Yeah. And that's the, I don't think you're very sane after a 12 day meth binge. No, no, no, no. You've merked a shit load of brain cells. Yeah, you're fucking messing everything up. Now the verdict comes in, there's 18 minutes of deliberation.

Which doesn't seem like a lot. That's the fastest ever ever that seems like one vote Yeah, we're all agreement great. All right. Let's get out of here then call that guy back in tell him we got it Oh, he's taking a piss. All right, we gotta wait cuz it was a 12 minutes. We agreed on it We got to wait for him to get back from pissing and grabbing a smoke outside So after 20 minutes of deliberation they find him guilty of First degree murder. Everything.

I don't think this guy could premeditate a shit, never mind this murder. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I think, yeah. He couldn't premeditate a ham sandwich, this guy. I think that they're doing the old, how long does it take to premeditate? You know what I mean?

Yeah. The second he grabbed that knife. Well then every murder's premeditated then. But I think that's what they're doing here. That's wild. They got a set of premeditation time. There's no planning to this. No, but the second you pick up a knife in a way of, you know what, he choked her out.

He had time to stop there. I guess, she was still alive. That was the killing move. It was an overt act with an intention to was he's just so aggressive intention to kill He had no way to assume that second degree though. You think so? Fuck. Yeah, no intention of an argument that escalated into a murder Second degree that's not a premeditated crime No, but the way he killed her I could see that if you like slap somebody and they fall down hit their head No, no second degree is like actual murder. Oh, yes I could agree is Agra Malice is involved in it

Yeah, cuz that's what takes it from not manslaughter to murder is now like it's the Sarah Boone case Yeah, that we just watched. Yeah that case she got found guilty of second-degree murder Yeah, and she fucking zipped a guy up and went away that was way more premeditated than this Yeah, and they said that it just it was it happened But the way she was talking shit to him and everything It was malice behind it right she intended him harm So this first degree like I said if this guy is in the middle of making a ham sandwich. I think he goes Oh shit. I'm making a sandwich. I don't even come from I don't even think he remembers like it's back So he doesn't pre meditate what goes on it. No, he didn't pre meditate mayonnaise this man never mind murder

so the sentencing comes around here and wow, I mean, what do you do with this guy at this point? Hospital forever. Well, not quite. You, sir, may fuck off. Life without parole. Just prison forever. How many bodies? Unless they keep him in a ward. You can't ignore him forever. You can't not medicate this guy You can't just let him roam around with people. He's gonna be eating people's food He's around in sweatpants amongst to him teeth are a weapon. Yeah. Yeah, he bros

He doesn't need a knife a shank. He just smuggled 30 of them in this motherfucker. He will saw your head off with these fucking things I don't remember but enough to bite your face off. It's a lot. It's like 28. 28 something like that. So wow. The DA says we commend the Stone County jury for seeing through the defendants insanity argument. Yeah. They're acting like he's not insane. Right. I don't care if you're- Blangering this son of a bitch. Yeah, psychiatrist, layperson, anybody can hear anything. Just hear what I just told you. He Ozzy Osborne'd his mom. That's it.

He bit her head off. You go, that's crazy. Malingering. Yeah. Wow. He's faking it for special treatment. He's really, to me, you know what, if he's faking it, he hit it out of hit it out of the park man Oh, he faked it to the back row. Thank that is the only way in it till you make it. Holy shit Jesus they say as a DA Burel told the jury in closing arguments this defendant got high got mad at his mom and killed her

It's that simple. No, it's not. It's not that he had her blood in his mouth It's that simple. No it's not. That's not that simple. He had her blood in his mouth. A lot of it. Yeah. He had her viscera sucking flesh in her mouth. Oh, he bit every vein in her neck through.

Imagine you had to get sprayed hardcore. Splashed. Holy shit. They said, we know that this trial has been painful for the family and are hopeful that the closure of the criminal case can help in the healing process. How? No, you can't. Nothing's can help in the healing process how no you can't Nothing's gonna help in the healing process

No, the fucking head missing. So anyway, there you go. There's Wiggins, Mississippi one of the craziest goddamn cases we've ever talked about I think Unbelievable that is wild stuff. So yeah, he did that and he's life without. I don't know what they're doing with him in there. Like I said, I don't know if he's in solitary, if he's being isolated in like the whatever or if he's in the mental health unit. I'm not sure. He's certainly wigging out, James.

He's doing something. Fucking hell. Wow. This place is a nightmare. That was the first one I popped in. I'm never coming back. I love it. Fucking hell, this place is a nightmare. That was the first one they popped in. I'm never coming back.

I love it. So yeah, there you go. Don't stay out of Wiggins, I guess, because this place is crazy. It's a mess. They all know each other and it's fucking insane. So if you like that episode. They all know each other and they still fuck each other each other Oh stay out stay out of there. It's no good

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