Small Town Murder - #547 - The Craigslist Killers - Caldwell, Ohio

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

This week, in Caldwell, Ohio, a murderous plot unfolds, when an evil & cunning person puts up a Craigslist ad, promising a new job & a new life. The problem is, there is no job, and answering this ad may end your life. Multiple people are lured into this trap, to be coldly murdered, and left in shallow graves, behind an abandoned mall, and on an empty piece of land! Was his accomplice also a cold blooded killer, or was he also scared for his life?Along the way, we find out that Johnny Appleseed was real person, even though that wasn't his real name, that some things just sound too good to be true, and probably are, and that when your parents don't pay any attention to you, you may find other, more despicable role models!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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an extremely evil and cunning person lures multiple people to their deaths with a Craigslist post promising a new job and life, but all that happens is brutal murder. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed.

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There are definitely going to be jokes, and a lot of murder, especially this week. Tons of murder, so this week, tons of murder. So, you know, those two things, they could mix. You go, how does that happen? It's very easy how it happens. Here's what you have to do. You don't make fun of the victims

or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we're assholes. What? But we're not scumbags. There you go. That's how that works. So if that sounds good to you,

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That said, I think it's time everybody to sit back. Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say everybody? And let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's go.

We're going to Ohio. Oh boy. Oh, I know how excited everyone's gonna get over that. Everyone gets jacked to go to Ohio. Favorite destination. We're going to Caldwell, Ohio. Where is that? Southern Ohio.

Oh. It's about an hour and a half to Columbus and about two hours to Pittsburgh. So right in the middle. We've driven from Pittsburgh to Columbus and we may have driven through this Yeah, I don't know if we go south like because it's kind of dip. There's a dip It's almost four hours to Delta, Ohio, which was our last Ohio episode the scariest barn on earth And it was Ohio you bring the crazy pretty good. I got I'll give you credit

Ohio West Virginia some interesting folks Florida you guys are all in contention for craziest murders going here this is a noble County yeah nothing noble about this story I'll tell you that much area code 5 7 4 0 a little bit of history will buzz through the town stuff because this murder is okay there's a lot of stuff going on here so Caldwell was founded in 1857, was named for Joseph and Samuel Caldwell who owned the original town site. Yeah, easy. That's an easy one here. And the railroad reached, the Pennsylvania railroad reached Caldwell in the 1870s and that made it a town basically. Yeah, no towns really happened until the railroad hit. And then, yeah,

because if you can't have commerce, there was no other, we couldn't put shit on a truck back then. Can't sell anything. Yeah, you had to have a train going on. So Noble County is the home to the first North American oil well. Oh. If I said, where's the first North American oil well, you wouldn't say Ohio, probably.

Florida, every time. Yes, we know. Full of oil, Florida, loaded. That is an old reference from shit I think the first year of the show probably two weeks great So this was 1814 was the first time oil was struck in North America, which seems like it in Ohio in Ohio Yeah, not Oklahoma not Texas. You know any of the western state. Yes, I mean none of that It's very strange here, and it was the center for oil production in the state. Oh, wow this area so

1925 a US Navy dirigible the USS Shenandoah Zr1 I believe a plane because it was caught in a storm over Noble County So if it was a boat it would probably not be over the county of Ohio in Ohio, especially unless the storm was over That would be a really big storm if it sent a boat over, Ohio That's a terrifying storm. Holy shit. That's a lot it broke into several pieces resulting in the deaths of 14 people So now a dirigible a dirigible which I thought was some kind of Australian instrument. I'm not sure how that works Reviews of this town here now a few of them here. None'm not too bad people seem to like it here for stars I Love the fact that it's a close-knit town a lot of mom-and-pop places. Yeah, that's nice

Everyone's always so friendly from my experience The only issue is landlords have raised prices due to the oil and gas boom going on in the area Oh, and they've got more going on still going on now new I wouldn't have Ohio. I didn't know there was oil in Ohio. I had no idea. I know they're still producing it. That's crazy. Here's another four star. Everybody is friendly and helps each other out. They sure do. That's it. That's the whole thing. Three stars. It's a small town and it's very nice but it just feels too confining. Right. Yeah well that's you're not a small town person. I'd rather be anonymous in a big city

than famous in a small town. What did you do? What have you done? What? What's the story? You're the guy. Or the gal. You're the guy, or the, it's a guy, let's be honest.

You're the guy who like ran your car through the gas station window and then ran away naked into the night Yeah, all screaming and yelling about aliens and there was a fire and a squirrel ran out of there on fire That's probably right. I'll talk about how you murdered that squirrel murder and naked Gas station wreck and sons of bitches three stars. There's quite a few jobs basically minimum wage jobs Yeah, yeah, that's about that's not great. It's pretty much. I mean small commerce towns three stars there's quite a few jobs basically minimum wage jobs yeah yeah that's about yeah that's not great pretty much I mean small commerce towns that's what yeah there's not a lot going on as far as very little CEO pay your

deals yeah not a lot of six-figure salaries and small you got to own your own business yeah and so it works you own like a plumbing company or some bees HVAC company or something like that people in this town 2235 small town. It's a very small town male female here 50 almost over 52 percent females. They have run the males out of town here, which is it is Let's kill them. That's a that's what's weird is there's oil and gas jobs Usually that would be more of a male town we town from our experience and there's more females. Median age 51.3, a little bit old, usually about 37. From age 60 and up all the demographics are high.

There is 0% 18 to 20 year olds. Soon as they are able to leave legally they're out of here. Out of here quick. 46% married here, so it's kind of a family town. Race in this town, 98.8% white,.2% black, .2% Native American,.2% Hispanic, and.5% two or more races. So not a lot of variety here.

Let's see, religion, only 27% religious in this town. And they're spread out pretty good. Catholic is the most, 10.5%. But that's not a lot. So it's very interesting. Unemployment rate here is higher than the national average. And median household income is lower than the national average.

Median household income here is 43,185. It is 69,000 in the rest of the country. This is not, they're not doing well. No. This town, they're not crushing it of the country. This is not they're not doing well. No This town they're not crushing it money wise. This is tough now cost of living being a hundred is average in the United States here It's seventy nine point five listen to this stat people median home cost 115 thousand five hundred dollars that's very cheap. That's the median home cost that's in the same ones Yeah, that's that's in the middle. That's the median home cost. That's insane. There's cheaper ones. Yeah, that's in the middle. That's wild. So if you're convinced that the only place for you to possibly be is Caldwell, Ohio, we have for you the $790, about 500 less than the national average.

This place is inexpensive. Here's a four bedroom, two bath, 1,944 square feet, this house, which sounds good until you look at the house. It is full of shit on the outside. It's like the scumbags on your street are selling their house Oh, no, and they're leaving all their shit outside No, they're leaving the El Camino engine hanging from the tree. They don't give a shit these people. It's it's a little rough It says discover the potential of this charming two-story home currently undergoing a remodel and ready for your personal touch

In other words, it's half taken apart Yeah, that's what you get to finish Yeah, there's no floors in half the house and there is zero interior pictures of this house. Good luck with that shit 90,000 bucks though. Well big house for 90 grand. Yeah, it's your work cut out for you. It's gonna cost you Here's a four-bedroom two bath 2120 square feet. It's a nice house. It's a like a raised ranch law. It's a long house Yeah, it's got a metal roof on it. Okay, because it's nose metal roof there and it's a little over a half acre I like in the living room. There's really nice big like old beams in there. Yeah, really cool. It's not bad

260 grand for that exposed wood and a steel roof. It's not bad. Yeah, it's not bad and then finally this is on 3.5 acres and They this is crazy. The ad has a house on it, but there's no house there. Why it's just an AI house Oh, they do but it shows pictures of different angles like like there's a real house there. It's it's bonkers I don't understand it says discover your dream home in this beautifully updated log cabin But there's no lock out. You have to put it there yourself You can get it put there apparently the spacious properties features four bedrooms and two and a half baths that don't exist It's the strangest thing ever $495,000 just for the lot for a non-existent. I don't know if that includes a house that they're eventually gonna build

I'm not sure you want one. I'd want to know the house was there and see it before I'm gonna plunk any money down Yeah, you know just land if I've got a no It's a lot of work man things to do here. Yeah, the big musky bucket What is that? Okay? That is this what you can see here see that I don't know what oh, it's a is it a back? Oh, but it's like a big back. Yeah, it's a bucket. What is that? Okay, that is this. You can see here. See that? I don't, oh, is it a backhoe bucket? It's like a big, yeah, it's a big bucket. It's a giant one. It's a giant one.

Earth mover, it's enormous. Holy. It's huge. Now the Big Muskie, it's called, was once the world's largest earth moving machine. Okay. At one time. Now we just have the bucket?

Now we just have the bucket. I got rid of the rest of it. What are you gonna do with that shit? It's all out of, I'm sure now it's not considered big. Here's the bucket. So imagine how big it was. That's it It was the world's it was the largest dragline ever built and was one of these seven engineering wonders of the world Big deal between 69 and 91 1969 and 1991 by the way, it moved 483 million tons of rocks and soil. Okay. I don't know how this is a festival by the way

Oh, I'm still I'm still trying to figure it out. It's not a festival This is just go look at the thing to say you just go look at the bucket the bucket weighs 460,000 pounds empty empty 460 thousand pounds empty Imagine the machine that moves that like with ease enough to dig with it well that's what I'm saying it and it carries an additional six hundred forty thousand pounds when loaded so it's over a million pounds when it's all loaded what the fuck that's never heard of that before I don't know what how

much torque you'd need an engine that's crazy if that's not enough for you though yeah you'll also see the wall of honor. Sure. Yeah, that is listing the names of employees of the Central Ohio Coal Company, which operated Big Muskie. Now, Jimmy, I'm booking my plane ticket right now. I got to see this. It's like the Vietnam wall, but of people that worked here. But people who worked for the coal company. That's the strangest thing I've ever heard in my life. It's real weird.

The park's structural facilities are made from 50-year-old red oak trees planted by miners on reclaimed land from mining here. Then there's the Johnny Appleseed Memorial. Is he from there? Apparently so. I didn't know Johnny Appleseed was a real person. You didn't? No. I didn't,'t I mean you said that like you were positive I guess it makes sense to not think somebody walking around with a pan on their head I

thought it was real yeah I thought it was just like a he certainly went and planted apples apple trees where'd all these apple trees come from Oh Johnny Appleseed you know I mean and whenever I hear the name, all I think of is this old David Cross joke where he talks about finding a used condom in the middle of the street in New York City. And he's like, one of two things happened here. He's like, either people were just banging

in the middle of the street and threw it on the ground, or it's some urban Johnny Appleseed, which made me crack up and that's what it makes me think of every day. Throwing a seed around. Throwing it. The legendary Johnny Appleseed has roots in Noble County. His family owned a homestead a quarter mile south of Dexter City.

Although he never lived here, he visited often. So they have a festival. Who gives a shit? They have a memorial for a guy who came by once in a while. He didn't even like plant shit here never had a house Nope Harley Chapman his half-brother and his family are buried nearby in a family cemetery on the hill above the monument The memorials made from small rocks donated from people along the route over which Johnny passed

It reads without hope of recompense without a thought of pride John Chapman planted apple seeds and preached and lived and died is that who his name was John Chapman Yeah, his name wasn't Johnny Appleseed. Yeah He really he picked the right profession Johnny's father settled along Duck Creek near Dexter City with his second wife and their ten children. Good Christ. Jesus, he should be called Johnny Appleseed, never mind the one seeding. Jesus, he's seeding everything.

Johnny helped his family get settled and it's known that Johnny regularly visited his step-siblings who remained there. His last known visit came in 1842. Golly, that man lived almost 200 years ago and we all still know who he is he didn't do shit do shit I didn't do anything I think he planted some trees and preach but not here on his head but

not here right somewhere else okay yeah crime rate in this town is why what a fascinating man it's so strange I want to know more about it everything we will do it a bonus on Johnny Appleseed I'm real life Crime rate in this town more interested in here property crime slightly above the national average which there's 2200 people here Yeah, how do you how do you that's crazy? You know who's stealing from you?

They got no money how many crack heads are there you know the crack heads in a twenty two hundred person town You know who steal but nobody's got any money. They're desperate, but shit, you know who's stealing in that town though. You should Bobby's a thief and he's always stealing It's Bobby if something's missing wearing my shirt Goddamn wearing my shoes on his feet. Yeah violent crime murder rape robbery And of course assault about Rushmore of crime sure is about half the national average. That's it's safe But they will say they're shit. They're desperate that said I know it's early it's safe, but they will steal your shit. Cause they're desperate. That said, I know it's early in the show, but let's talk about some murder.

Let's do it. Because this is just wow. It's a load here. This by the way, there's a chunk of, a lot of information here and there comes from a very good article in GQ called the Craigslist Killers by Devin Friedman. In GQ.

In GQ. They did a big whole thing on this. So very interesting here. Now let's talk about a young man first. Yeah. Okay, Brogan Rafferty. Sick name. Brogan Rafferty.

Yeah, that sounds like a, sounds like he's like, that sounds like a rock star's real name. Yeah. Goes by some, goes by Johnny Appleseed, but his real name is Brogan Rafferty Or or a West a Western movie villain. That's a bad. Yeah, or an Irish immigrant one of the three So he's 16 years old as we'll talk about back in 2011 Because this is when this whole mess is gonna take place He's a junior at Stowe Monroe Falls High School

Not a particularly bright kid not a particularly dumb kid fill you buddy. Just pretty average guy Yeah, brogan one thing that's not about average about him is his size He's enormous brogan's a big brogan is 6 5 to 30 16 years old and still growing. Big young man here. He's pretty laid back. He's a real, like a lot of very big people he's laid back. Kinda gotta be, yeah.

You'll break shit if you jump around too much. When you're big, as a kid you're taught to, I always say this about basketball players, they say centers aren't aggressive. I remember Dwight Howard for years they would bitch. He's not aggressive. Oh, there's this fucking nerkage that the sons have is a fucking he's a so dainty. When you're huge, they when you're a kid, they tell you to be nice and don't don't hurt folks. Don't hurt him and don't die even in basketball. No one want to play with you otherwise. Just gonna slot everybody shots away. So you're taught to be gentle

and just a little bit less aggressive. Take it easy, Lenny. As a, exactly, you don't want to Lenny anybody. And he's Lenny without the stupidity here. He's polite, doesn't really like authority, which makes sense when you hear about his background, his family, and his childhood. His dad's a big biker guy and a biker gang

and all that sort of thing so he's He gets upset about things kind of easily, but other than that not you know he's he's a nice kid now he is Gonna be hanging out with a guy who he shouldn't be hanging out with yeah, he's 16, but his best buddy He hangs out with every day is Richard James Beasley. How old dickie B's is 52. Yeah What right, you know? This is a hang out with people your own age cuz this has been Mainstay in this show it's it happens all the time consistent. This is a very if you know who Dean Coral is

Yeah, this is very Dean coral without the sex. Really? Yeah. Because what the hell is this? Murder. Oh yeah. Yeah. Remember that part when he murdered a shitload of people like 20 of them? Yeah, but Dean wouldn't be like, if we're not going to fuck, let's just murder.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But still Dean, what I'm saying is Dean was an older guy, not in his 50s. He was in his 30s, but he's an older guy who recruits young people ahead of time to kinda almost indoctrinates them into the way he does things, and so they're okay with killing and okay with doing shit. And that's kinda how this works.

The problem too is he didn't meet Beasley when he was 16, he met him when he was nine. Beasley has been basically his Mentor since he was 9 not a family member no by the way he this he met him right when Beasley got out of prison As we'll talk about how well he's a friend of the family because he broke in his family isn't they have some problems As we'll talk about mom and dad invite folks in no they're just well They're as bad as him not in murderers, but they're it's interesting. We'll talk here now Richard Beasley Rich as he goes by doesn't go by dick. Unfortunately

He's a convict a biker a professed man of God And of course known on the streets of Akron as Chaplain rich He's been to prison full of shit is what he is. He's a giant full of shit liar It's all it is started talking or started taking Brogan to church when Brogan was nine years old Oh, this is like I'm gonna take you there and apparently at that point He was already a big kid and all that and rich wanted to take him under his wing Became his best friend What was called what he called his uncle dad?

Which is insane? He's he was the one guiding young Brogan through religion and also just teenage stuff Brogan would rather than go to his friends and talk about as a girl He would like or something he'd go to rich and talk about it Which would be what rich would you knock her over the head drag her into an alley that sounds like? What the fuck you going to this guy for she tastes like that's tell me I'll find out not let you know Brogan called him his counselor. That's what he always called him. This is counselor too deep already counselor uncle daddy Yeah, it's a lot confident

That's a nine. That's a lot now from the GQ article This guy writes rich was always has always been a rumpled character a corpulent man in denim and leather and boots with long white hair He wears an abalding grandmother's braid. Oh We all see the guy right? Yeah, that's the guy frightening. Yep He is really weird. He would he would love to minister to street people We all see the guy right? Yeah, that's the guy frightening. Yep He Is really weird. He would he would love to minister to street people Basically, he likes going to people who have no other options. Yeah children children with bad families Street people who have no other options, you know like a cult leader

That's what he does and that's kind of what he's trying to do here finds broken people Finds broken people and doesn't fix them Just no just kind of turns them into what he needs them to be for his uses duct tapes them together Well, only if it benefits his his shit here So he used to say to the people on the street I live among you by choice I can leave if I want oh, but I want to be here with you people. I've got the means to get elsewhere Yeah, which he didn't so he would he was a good very good at talking to people He's got the gift of bullshit and gab like most con men do yeah He's got a real what's called a by the GQ a folksy sociability, okay?

Which is you know bullshit artist the person I avoid comes My neighbors that I avoid small talk champion of the world. Yeah, that's the worst thing ever They said that you know he can he knows about how he knows how to make moonshine He talks about all about the origin and the bylaws of the Hells Angels Oh as well as how right Jesus was when he said to give unto Caesar what was Caesar's? So, you know, he goes he's got a he's eclectic We'll say certainly now Talking about church here riches mother Carol who's still alive in this scenario

She's big in the church. Yeah, okay. She's been going to church forever All the time so he shows up once in a while. He'll bring Brogan in there and all that kind of thing. Uh, there was a Bible study group that, that, his mother Carol goes to this is Rich's mother Carol. And while Rich was in prison in the early two thousands, he would send letters to the Bible study group of how he's doing, you know, prison and all that. Carol would read the letters out loud and then they would pray for him All of them. Here's a letter from my son. Yep

Prisoner 384 to 8. That's the one he's gonna tell us what they're having for dinner tonight I'm gonna tell us about the Red Death tonight for dinner So he got in trouble when he was in his late 20s in Texas at first shitload of robberies. Yeah, it's robbery guy. You got a gun charge I'm told everybody wasn't that wasn't his fault though. I'm charged 50s and 60s Well from the sky for a gas station robbery. Oh, yeah. Well shit. This was that wasn't the 50s and 60s No, the 80s. Oh, yeah, he would have been yeah This is like the 80s came around a little bit late for that Yeah

But I mean in rural areas they still didn't use security cameras and shit cuz that's what stopped most of those are just cameras well cameras and Pay at the pump that's right too. Yeah, and also now nobody uses cash So we're gonna do robbing them for fucking MX receipts like that's not real I'm not gonna help you much So he's very in all these letters here. He spent a lot of time complaining Yeah We're talking about how everything's a misunderstanding and now he's in prison because of it and he complains about the bed in prison and the food Yeah, never says anything about being remorseful mainly just makes excuses for this type of shit. It's miserable in there. That's all it is. So

And also too, I mean he so he's sending letters to his mom So now all these church people are waiting for him to get out so they can help him And you know minister to him and all that kind of thing after he gets out He seemed to be trying to be on the straight and narrow He was going to church and he was being all really doing it really doing it. He become a chaplain. Oh He wasn't technically ordained, but he become a chaplain oh he wasn't technically ordained but he said he was training so he wasn't yeah he's full of shit but he can read and that's what's doing it he's just full of shit yeah that's all so the group knew uh the bible group knew he was in

a hat he started a halfway house in acron on yale street where he lived uh they thought there was some weird people there um including a couple sex offenders, people like that who he'd bring in, but that's who Rich would get. He'd get the addicted, and if you're gonna run a halfway house, you're not looking for college graduates and fucking people from good families.

I need people that here. You're looking for people down on their luck and shit like that. They've seen some shit. They've seen some shit. It's basically thieves, prostitutes, drug addicts, this is whoever can find on the street and bring in. Like a weird cult leader, Mike.

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So, the... it's not a big... like, downtown Akron's not a big place. It's not? No, but he could still find people who are you know in in a shitty situation here The way rich tells it he ministered to them at the Hope Cafe Where people would gather for free coffee and for full-color Jesus brochures? They come for that he fed them He had a food bank going on and he would feed the guy people that. He delivered, he brought bread to the drunks at the bars

so they would have something to eat. Soak it up. Soak it up, all this for their families because they were drinking their paychecks. They're drinking their dinner and taking the kids' dinner too, so they gave them bread. So here's a loaf of Wonder Bread to take to the family here, which is interesting.

So yeah, people thought he was a real nice guy he would conduct weekly Bible studies at the halfway house for whoever went there and he'd take anybody you didn't have to be any kind of special person or anything like that I just walk in yep so that's it one of the Bible study people said we overlooked things like signals we we overlooked signals. They were there you think you think they were there Yeah, I think they were there. I don't see those when your focus is waking up for tomorrow No, no when a guy when a guy gets out of prison and immediately tries to surround himself with criminals Yeah, it's a you know what I mean

You got to wonder if he's up to something and the easiest to really bilk There's yeah, there isn't much to bilk off of and they don't have anything But he can turn them to his do his bidding and that's yeah Yeah, they don't really have much to give him, but they have shit to do for him. That's it exactly sweat equity Yeah, that's what he's looking for. Yeah. Now the thing about rich and Brogan Rich is a family friend of Brogan's parents. So a friend of the parents they hang out in the same biker circles People talk about his mom his mom's like Wild biker chick and his dad's the laziest people if they're just pawning their child off on somebody else to watch him

They think he's a mom Mom is... We'll talk about it, but Mom is a crackhead. And Dad isn't around very much. He's just out doing biker shit. Right. Motor cycles. He'll go to the bar on Friday and not come home till Monday. That bar is open late. Yeah. There's a lot of bar. You gotta leave at some point, right?

Apparently not. Yeah, Monday. Monday. Clear on out after football, I guess. So Rich basically would start taking him to church when he was about nine. And first it was like, I'm going to show this kid something. And then they just became buddies. They were just buddies. Because most 40-something-year-old people

like to hang out with 10-year-olds. That's normal. Rich would do his ministering in the ghetto but then he and Brogan went to services in chapel at this chapel which is like a big evangelical church type of deal here now rich says I took him to church because he needed it well it was the right thing to do his father would go to his bikers clubhouse on Friday and wouldn't be home and his mother well Dot-dot-dot, but Brogan loved church. I'll bet he did. Yeah

That was his punishment. He wouldn't be allowed to go to church No, it's just a matter to me I think it's a nine-year-old with no stability in his life and it's just anything stable would work You could have taken this kid to fucking red Robin He would have been thrilled if you long as you took him in a steady You know long as he knew he could count on it leave him out there. Yeah, I think that's kind of what it is He was just looking for somebody to pay attention to him and all that they were regulars at Bible study And they would socialize and do all of that and get to know all the church people

Everyone thought they were an odd pair obviously yeah. Yeah, right on sight, yeah. The funny thing is the kid's way bigger than him, even when he's like 11, he's towering. He's a short little guy, Rich. He's a short, stocky little cat. Yeah, like he looks like a biker. Short, stocky little guy. So they thought they were a weird pair, very strange.

They tried to get Brogan in with kids his age. church people were like oh you should hang out with my son He didn't like it. He didn't want to hang out with kids He liked older people to hang out with which is interesting one of the church people said he was 9, but he looked 14 He said Brogan was like a puppy. He was following Richard around he was a kid, but he looked like a bigger kid You know he look yeah He was in the sixth grade. He looked like he was in the ninth grade you know so Richie said well he maintained what you might call the rough look is this church person you know the down and outer look he was very

disheveled but he felt that that he felt that that gave him an in with the people he was ministering to he related yeah well when you show up on when you show up at a crack house, you don't wanna look like a cop, I think is the. Yeah, you don't need to look like you showered. Nobody else did. You show up with khakis and a polo shirt, everyone's gonna scatter when you come into the door.

Fuck. Detectives or social services or somebody that works, that gets a paycheck to talk to us. Somebody that's gonna frown upon the behavior we are exhibiting right now. Oh shit the family this is a this you can tell because you go who the fuck would let how can you their nine-year-old hang out with some ex-convict and just let him take him wherever he wants well when you hear about this family it's interesting Brogan's dad Mike here was this the GQ

reporter talks about when he first met Brogan's dad and here was this the GQ reporter talks about when he first met Brogan's dad and he said quote he was in the garage listening to Deep Purple smoke on the water Lifting weights on a quiet afternoon in his three-bedroom suburban ranch How old is this man? Yes 50s at the time. He's in the garage weightlifting with smoke on the water playing He couldn't be more of a stereotype is what they're saying about his dad as like a 50 year old guy. He says his dad's only five, eight, which is crazy because Brogan's huge, which is, I don't, I'm not sure it's his dad at this point.

They said that he's basically five foot inches five foot eight inches tall but he's almost a square is how he's described shit five foot eight wide too yeah just a little chunky guy he's got a long ponytail like all the guys there hey they said a small expressionless mouth shiny dark eyes framed by the longest most beautiful dark eyelashes that give a poignancy to the latent violence he exudes that is a poignancy to the latent violence he exudes." That is quite a poetic way to put that.

The only nice thing he's got is great eyelashes. He's a scary guy with lovely eyelashes. Just lovely lashes. You just want to put mascara all over him, don't you? Bugs Bunny and drag kind of eyelashes. That kind of thing. This guy is crushing it. Bugs Bunny trying to get Elmer Fudd to want to fuck him lashes. Fuck me Elmer lashes I believe they're called. Right? FMEs. You

got some fuck me Elmers on you. Hammer this rabbit hole. God damn. You've heard of a rabbit hole haven't you? How'd you let you want to find one right now? Yeah? So Mike's a machinist, uh-huh He works nights cutting precision doing precision cutting metal for aircraft landing gear Wow, when you hear the lifestyle this guy leads you will be terrified to fly If this guy's making the fucking landing gear because I'm scared right now. Precision cut I didn't know that I thought those things were like melded aluminum parts you know I mean I didn't know it was fucking cut.

Apparently this things have laser cut to begin with. He is also at the time back then the president of the North Coast Motorcycle Club which according to this article they call a close affiliate of the Hells Angels The North Coast as opposed Of Ohio Very coastal that's Cleveland, isn't it? I believe so Lake Erie So according to the cops here the North Coast gentlemen are suspected of meth dealing sure and all that kind of thing Mike doesn't have any criminal record except for one small incident with a public urination charge

So he's just had to piss real bad one time, which is very interesting So they said that the the reporter describes him as a straight arrow who does not suffer fools Gladly or without punching them in the face You don't want to piss this guy off. It feels like he can go off on you at any time Mike said maybe I wasn't the father. I should have been I wasn't real good at showing emotion But I was a bit of a disciplinarian in other words. I'll punch you, but I won't hug you. Yeah And that's kind of what happened. Yeah, so the that's the kind of guy he was here They said he bought a small house decent school district taught his kid to box in the garage starting at five

Doesn't drink on weeknights because he has to work the next morning. I've come Friday night It is you won't see him till Monday. No, you won't he calls that that's church time which that's the meetings of the biker club Yeah, and they'd go to different bars and basically he was gone. That was it the whole time. Yeah He also beats the shit out of Brogan a lot. Yeah, and we're talking at a young age pre 10 years old He's beating the shit out of this kid. Apparently he lost his report card one time So rich or so Mike the dad broke Brogan's nose over it punched him in the face for losing his report card one time, so Mike the dad broke Brogan's nose over it, punched him in the face for losing a report card.

Pre-10 years old. That's a lot extreme. That's fucking crazy. Interesting. In the mother, Yvette, that is Mike's wife and Brogan's mom, said that he was a good provider but he was terrifying and especially to Brogan. Brogan was scared shitless of him. So a bad dad.

Not a great dad. Terrible dad. But he sees it as, well, the bills are paid. So that's my job. Pay the bills, terrify the family, go out on the weekends in that order. You'll only see me Monday through Friday afternoon. That's it, weekends are yours.

Talk about working for the weekend, man. You have custody there. Monday through Friday afternoon. That's it weekends are yours You have custody there so that's Weird and that's why Brogan would take to rich because rich does not hit him Rich doesn't do any of that shit riches or riches trying to indoctrinate him So he's trying to make him love him rather than Mike is like you have to love me. I'm your father So he's trying to make him love him rather than Mike is like you have to love me. I'm your father Here's a broken nose. So this is affection that rich is giving him actual what he believes is genuine emotion Yeah, it's called grooming. That's what it is Yeah, so but he said that he did look broke and did learn from his dad how to take care of himself in a fight Yeah, you know how to how to basically be self-sufficient

Sure how to keep a house clean and all that kind of shit how to take a punch how to take a punch Yeah, you're gonna need that So he but he really Mike thought he was doing a good job raising the son Even though he beats the shit out of him and let some weird ex-convict basically Mentor him from the age of nine on he thought that was a good parenting job. Well, not good Mike I got I got help. That's all that's Backup, I can't tell you what happens on the weekends. I'm not even here He said though, you know, it was a he had at least it was a house

They didn't move around all the time or anything like that. He wrote sure that's that's helpful Now you vet though is a mess mom mom's a disaster apparently Brogan told Yvette Jesus Christ Would tell her it would tell her you can go smoke crack go on a crack binge I don't care because he said no matter what she said she was gonna do she was gonna go on a crack bitch anyway So he just tell her you don't have to go to the McDonald's Playland, just go smoke crack.

Just be honest, yeah. Just fuck it, which is very interesting. And she was supposed to be watching him on the weekends, but he said she would disappear. Sure, she's got crack to do. Do all that. The reporter describes Yvette as a biker chick from the first time she got on the back of a motorcycle.

That's the way she described herself. She said, I was hot as shit. I ain't going to lie. That's mom. So glad you didn't lie to us, Yvette. I ain't going to lie. I was hot as shit. She said, hair down to my ass.

I was hot. That's not. That's just, that's hot for her. That doesn't mean anything. 45 miles an hour, hair flying off the back of a motorcycle. That's hot. That's not, that's just, that's hot for her. It doesn't mean anything. 45 miles an hour hair flying off the back of a motorcycle. That's hot. She got knots in it. That's it. So hair down to my ass. Okay. That makes you hot. She arrived in Northern Ohio from the South and she came up. She's skinny hair, you know, fucking hair, you know fucking

Hot as shit. Yeah With a test the reporter said a taste for denim and leather A taste is a weird way to put it makes it sound like you're eating denim And leather she liked to party a lot a real lot and she's a little out there. Um, she once rode a big dirt bike I'm gonna read an exact quote from the article quote She once read a big old she once rode a big old dirt bike that belonged to a Mexican Okay all the way back from Daytona Beach while the bikes owner leaned back and slept against the luggage rack and Quote she ain't she said she quote ain't never

rode a dirt bike before on the street on the street from Florida Ohio on a dirt bike which is like the white trash or Oregon Trail is what that is Florida to Ohio on a dirt bike while the Mexican sleeps on the back yes with a sleeping Mexican on the back that's that right there is the white trash. I don't think I've ever seen a dirt bike with a luggage rack. That's hysterical. What is that?

The sitting up, the kinda. Like a sissy bar? Like the sissy bar. On a dirt bike? That's what we're talking about. Apparently. Or I have seen a dirt bike with like a rack thing on it for equipment and shit.

Maybe he was laying down on it. If he's got like shit on the back stacked up like a sleeping bag? easy rider type shit, yeah Shit to sleep on the side of the road that shit Leaned against that that's bungee corded to the fender. I'm Peter Fonda. No, you're not Pedro Fonda Pedro Fonda. Yeah, I'm Pedro Fonda. Jesus Christ.

Holy fuck. So that's what's going on here. She's a gal. I want to talk all about her. She is a party. Well, there's more. Don't worry. Great. I ain't ever rode a dirt bike before. She

meets Mike as, you know, they didn't meet like at school or you know at work or anything. Well at her work. Yeah. Because she was a stripper. She was working at a bikini bar. Oh yeah.

When she meets Mike. Which is the equivalent of stripping. A biker bar where they serve the drinks and bikinis essentially I think. So this is right around the time she became a a huge coke and crack addict real. Oh, yeah Yeah, she says she was sober while she was pregnant if you believe that if not crack is like fertilizer makes your kids huge Do you want big kids you want your kids in professional sports smoke crack while you're pregnant apparently She said but the problem is when she was when Brogan was only two days old still you know still fresh just out of the hospital still soft she disappeared to a crack house.

Where did she leave? I don't know placenta still dangling she just fucking took off. Went to a crack house here. Itchy stitches and all. All the whole shit. So I guess Mike took Brogan away after that and they separated. So that's kind of how it goes here. So it was not breastfed is what you're saying. No. And then she just kind of fell off into addiction. And then her job is to watch him on the weekends, which she wouldn't. She just go smoke crack and he'd go, that's okay. Go smoke crack and he'd sit at home and watch cartoons basically so that's poor kid he had no choice no chance yeah she's called in this article the type of hit hippie biker chick who'd want to sleep with all her babies in a big family bed but also bungee them to a

chopper for a ride to get formula oh you know someone who maybe shouldn't be a parent right basically it doesn't really understand that the kids needs have to come at least equal to yours when you're a parent So not great But the article goes on to say but in reality She's now a 49 year old woman who has to remove her new dentures before she eats a TGI Friday steak with Jack Daniels sauce The 40 what? Nine. With ginger.

Full set. Oh boy. Yeah. Um, wow. They said, who after two beers starts shivering and loses the gift of coherent speech for long stretches and tries to eat a wet nap off her plate. What? She's a fucking mess.

What is that? Two beers? Cause that sounds like she took pills. Uh huh. That you shouldn't mix with alcohol. Yeah, there it is. And then she's trying to eat a wet nap. Accidentally eating it probably. Yeah, I'm done.

Just that's on the plate, picked it up. Oh my God. So she's a mess. Sits there chewing it like lettuce until I reach into her toothless mouth before she can swallow it. This guy got scared he was, she was gonna swallow a wet nap.

You can't eat that. And I was like, give me that, and pulled it. You're on your own, I'm just gonna stare at you like you're a fuckin' science experiment at that point. If you're eating a wet nap, I'm gonna see how it plays out. This GQ author is a genius for stickin' with this. I'm tellin' ya, he really went through a lot of shit here.

So basically, all Brogan ever remembers is that her as an addict he doesn't ever remember like a good mom here and also when she was 10 when he was 10 he found evidence on the internet I don't know where he'd find this evidence on the internet maybe in a police record or something that she also was a prostitute for a while. I'm sure she was. So he's not real thrilled about his family. No, which this is not. This is the same thing with like, what is it?

The Henley kid with Dean Correll and other that like Henley had a stable household, though, a couple of some of the people that that Dean Correll pulled in some of these kids to help him out, had like places to go. Parents that cared about him Shit like that. Whereas this guy Brogan's looking for any stable adult who seems like you can if they say they're gonna be there at three to pick you up They're there at three to pick you up. I think that's all he's looking for at this point So it's your with your apparent like that

You're not really you're just kind of leaving that open to the world for anybody who's more stable than you your kid is gonna pay attention to So Brogan says about rich quote rich was the one person I could go to He was the only one I could tell anything. I thought he was a great guy. He was like the father I never had yeah great guy paid attention to him. This great guy is also a fucking arch criminal Let's talk about this. Yeah, he's been in prison He's a biker. He's running. Oh man. He's he's part of the Hells Angels or just knows it all He's just in the yeah, he's just kind of in the periphery of everybody knows him The rich basically will do anything to make a quick illegal buck sure make moonshine grow weed

He fucking had a fake raffle at one point That's I mean any raffle. I will find out It's cray also running a halfway house in the middle of the shittiest neighborhood in Akron as well. So it's It's interesting Mike Brogan's dad said about rich that he'd rather make a crooked nickel than an honest dollar and Rich agrees with that rather rather. He'd rather have a crooked nickel than an honest. Oh, it's no fun. It's not exciting Yeah, there's no taxes and that's the other thing rich needs He seems to be kind of an adrenaline junkie kind of a guy It's no fun to make money at a job. You made a ton of money more than he could want That's no fun. So boring. It's the excitement of this of maybe ending up in prison that you need

So that's kind of how how he was here So it's the kind of thing basically that you could say you could tell rich you'd rather do that and he'd laugh about it You know, yeah, probably and Mike says that rich once asked him if he'd like to rob a bank with him Would you like let me drop the kid off? Hey, by the way, I'm gonna go you want to rob a bank with me You want to run with me on over to Mike said no, that's okay But that's the type of shit that rich comes up with hey, I got this idea and he'll just go to people you want to Do this. Here's what we do. We get a couple of guns. We're gonna go to the bank and head on into b of a pocket He's also a huge con man as well. Obviously, uh one woman who knows him through a family member called him the ultimate con artist

Ultimate and he kind of is uh, this is crystal quarterman, uh, who said her mother-in-law Married beasley after she became pen pals with him while he was in prison in Texas. So a love after lockup situation. She said her mother-in-law never fully understood why he was in jail because he would never be honest about it. She said he never gave us a straight reason why. When he was paroled in Texas, he told the family that his arrest was because of a firearms arrest and then later on he switched it to breaking and entering and then someone asked He told the family it was that his arrest was because of a firearms arrest. And then later on he switched it to breaking and entering.

And then someone asked him and then he said it was drugs. Maybe all three. This woman said the whole thing is just bizarre. She said she first got to know Beasley in October, 2008. And it wasn't long after when Beasley tried to get her mother-in-law involved in a scam. One thing I'll give him, he's very inclusive. If you're around him, he doesn't have private scams. Go along to get along. Come with me.

Yeah, you want in? I'm not greedy. It's fine. He tried rigging a raffle for a nice watch. He's going to rig a raffle rigger. Not for a nice watch. So there was never a watch. No, it was no, he never intended to give any kind of watch.

They said so he could do it over and over again and keep the money. So he's going to have one watch that's going to be the prize to dangle. And then he's going to keep doing that. This woman said he was talking to my mother-in-law about this, but she didn't want anything to do with it She said that Beasley then tried to run a scam from our from obituary columns Okay, what do you do? contacting relatives of the deceased To try to collect money for embossed Bibles that he claimed had been bought earlier by the person

This person ordered this Bible. It's ready, will you pay for it now? What the hell? That's what he's trying to do, scamming recently deceased people's families out of 10 bucks. And it's a work that goes into that for 10 bucks. How much can it be? I mean, I saw a report that they're literally $8. That's what I mean. What are we talking about here?

So this woman whose mother-in-law married him said quote, he was just an awful person. He's the ultimate con artist. Her mother-in-law was trying to get away from him. Um, and what was afraid of him kind of after, you know, finding some stuff out about him. Um, this woman said when he got out, she soon realized what he said in all the letters just wasn't true. Nothing's my fault, I'm really an upstanding guy, I'm all about the church and God. And the victim of the system.

Yeah. Now here is Lois Hood. She is, okay, a sister. That mother-in-law, she's her sister. So an aunt-in-law for you. This would be this lady's aunt-in-law, exactly. Lois Hood. She said her sister. So an awesome this would be this guy this lady's aunt in law exactly Lois Hood She said her and her husband were friends with Beasley and that they often attended club meetings of the brothers motorcycle gang together her and her husband headed the club as Her her husband headed the club as a past president about a year after Beasley got out of prison in Texas Her then that sister divorced him So a love after lockup that didn't work at all right fell apart

I really wish love after lockup would have followed that around. That's awesome. Well. He's trying to put together watch raffle scams So anyway rich and Brogan how the fuck did they end up together? How do you do it well rich new Mike from the world of bikers and Akron and new Yvette because he hangs around drug houses and crack houses and where people are prostitutes are applying their trades. So that's how he would meet her. And then that's how he met Brogan was through them. And I guess strangers would would think that Brogan was a mute because he was a big kid and he didn't talk much thinking he must be like a big mute there must be something wrong with him they're like knocking on his forehead you in there how about that

they're dummy yeah so it's real weird he's not he's not a mutant he's not dumb he's just quiet he's just quiet and huge ever mistake me for that. Yeah. So yeah, it's real weird. Now they're saying that basically this reporter's like, I'm not sure what the con was exactly. Why? How did he get him in? Because he doesn't really use Brogan for any criminal activity till he's older,

till he's in his teens. So that's a real long con to be like, He to be like really growing I'm gonna hang out with this kid every day so he'll do my bidding in five years is a real weird way to do this or did he like measure his feet and hands and was like he's gonna be big well he was big he was bigger than him he could tell he was gonna be big but they said that rich seemed to genuinely enjoy hanging out with Brogan. And they'd go around Akron, they would, visiting historic graveyards. Like all 10 year olds wanna do.

Or he wanted to be that, what he was. That's gotta be, it's gotta be something. But to me, there's got, to me, it seems like, I'm gonna put this in my pocket for later. You know what I mean? Like if you picked up a penny and were like, I might need this. It was on heads. You know what I'm saying like that's what it feels like and

You know he said that Basically, you know his dad's a hard-ass and this guy's not so maybe that's what it is Yvette describes Brogan's feelings this way. This is mom Rogan was ashamed of me, but he loved me Yeah, it's your his mom and he also doesn't want his mom to be a crackhead that doesn't fucking pay attention to him He's forced to do both of those things. Yep. That's it. And they said that rich She thinks that rich knew that Brogan's skill set might be Like he might know how to activate a skill set and Brogan that could help him later on apparently now summer of of 2011, this is when this is Brogan 16 and this is where we're going to catch

up with everybody now. So Rich sits Brogan down and have a chit chat with him. He goes, I'm going to say, he goes, listen, there's going to be a warrant out for my arrest. Okay. This is coming. Now he says, if they catch me, they're going to put me away for a long time for a crime. I didn't commit It's a bad one. I didn't do it. They're gonna put me away for a long time though This is a whole scam with the halfway house where he was pimping and all that

He was pimping these women out of the halfway house and he's a terrible man. He made a brothel at a half. Yes Yep, and he even had like a crack regimen for these women fucking crazy the guy's a monster He's a fucking monster like swallow the pill Every morning because they were crack It's so he had like a no no he had like a to wean them off for the week And then they'd have like a week thing where they'd have three crack rocks one day and two crack rocks Oh my god two crack rocks for two days, and then you know one crack rock after that to wean them so

He said listen. I got it. I got to go on the run here because they're gonna put me away for something I didn't do this is ridiculous so Brogan was like what the fuck I can't lose my mentor. This is crazy. You know and You know and they said you know he said these goddamn cops and Brogan was like yeah I know these goddamn cops they fuck with my mother all the time. Meanwhile, she's a crackhead and a prostitute. So she probably needs that. Probably something. So Brogan said when he had told me this story about how they were going to put him in jail over some stuff he didn't do, I was angry. I was angry and it didn't seem right.

Live it. It's a lit up. Oh shit. Yeah. So he's like, you want to help me, right? Rich is saying and we're out broke. It's like, of course so there's a warrant that had been out for his arrest which was for running a prostitution ring of 20 women not two women not a woman a whole stable that is like four stables. That's so busy. So many. Dude, like

I've read Iceberg Slim's book and like the best pimp in the city back then had like seven women. You can't do 20. That was 20 and a guy too. You never know. Running. Yeah, that's it. Sometimes people got a taste. And he did this out of his halfway house, which there's so many things wrong with that. Yeah. It's not even fucking funny here. A prostitution ring staffed by the women who he ministered to, very nice. So the women who, you know, basically, he'd stand up for the women in court and say, well, I'm a counselor and I have this halfway house

and I'll take care, I'll look after them. So basically these judges would let people, would let these women. They would feed his whole system. Yes, rather than putting them in jail, they'd put them in a halfway house. So basically these judges would let people would let these women they would feed his whole system Yes, rather than putting them in jail They got away which in a good system like I knew a lady who ran a halfway house she was actually also a biker lady and all this shit and

But she was really nice. Yeah help these people like she to her own detriment would give these people a blood from her veins She would talk about it all the time like, oh, I have to go here to pick up food for these people to get them because there's a donation thing. And she would do all the shit on her own for free. So very impressive. But this guy, not so much. He's just going to judges, going, I'll take care of them. And then he's giving them crack and telling them which dicks to suck.

And then taking the money for it. Yeah. He'd visit the women in jail, talk to them on the phones from jail, and describe he likes all this type of thing, and I'm gonna take care of you and all that. And by most accounts, his favorite of these women was not even a woman, a 17-year-old. His bottom one.

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Follow Redacted Declassified Mysteries with me, Luke Lamanna,ana on the wonderi app or wherever you get your podcasts to listen ad free Join wonderi plus in the wonderi app Brogan knew her as rich's girlfriend 17 50 yeah, i'm gonna fuck you and give you crack when you're a teenager and then also have you fuck other people Wow, um here is from gq about rich and this is I'll read this verbatim here. I tell Rich that I interviewed one of these women, Amy Saller. She told me I say that you did try to get her off drugs in a way.

She said you had devised your own detox system. There's a lot of different ways to that they do this, but I don't think this is the way. Three rocks one day, then two for each of the next couple days, then down to one crack rock, but it never worked. So you just buy her the rocks and let her smoke them at your place, he says. She thought your biggest fear was that she would leave when you wanted her near you. So sure, you wanted to trick her sometimes, but she seemed to feel she had you in her back pocket She knew she could steal from you and you might yell and scream, but you weren't going to get violent

This is him telling rich this that this is what I found from this woman She said you put her up as an escort on back page and took a commission on the money She made you know like a pimp right it was strange that Amy whom you pimped out Who has this who has in the intervening months gotten sober and is now working at Red Lobster Yeah, which is a pretty parallel move honestly Yeah, yeah Has and now has earned the right to visit her kid Talks as if she isn't totally sure who was using whom when I ask you

When I ask you about all the above your only answer is quote Amy Saller. I'm sorry I don't know who that is. He denies. I don't even know who that is Never met a nose lived with this man, knows his whole regiment and everything and he just goes, I don't know who that is. Don't know her. Yep. And about the notion of those physical longings and the like, quote, I haven't been,

this is Rich, I haven't been able to have sex since I had my car accident, Rich tells me. When was that? He's referring to an accident he had about eight years ago. He said, quote, I had a steel coffee cup in my lap when it happened. He smiles and achieve mischievously here and slits his eyes like a cat. You can't use what you don't have. What he's saying, a steel coffee took his cock off, castrated him in a car.

No cock. Oh, he's he pisses right out of his fucking. He pisses out of his abdomen. Just... That's what he's saying. Wow. This guy's just a liar and a scoundrel. And thinking about it, he gets a little more grandiose. Quote, I think it was a blessing from God that I wasn't able to have sex.

Yes, that's what it is. If I could, it might have complicated the relationship I had with all those women. Yeah, I might have been fucking them rather than having them make money for me by sucking dicks. Wow. Instead, perhaps. Yeah, that's a pretty good excuse considering the real answer is probably 50 something men with a really terrible lifestyle. Dick doesn't work. Dick doesn't work or he's more interested in crime than sex. That's Potter to him. Which is worse. That's scary. That. That's scary. Oh my god. He says

Well, I might have been tempted But I but as it was this is the best line. I was able to remain pure Pure he remained pure evil. Yeah, so August of 2011 here it comes Okay, he puts an ad up on Craigslist. Yeah, this is crazy quote We need someone to watch our farm down in southern, Ohio Live for free in a double-wide trailer nothing in the way of duties except to take the in the peacefulness of the countryside and remark on the changing of the seasons and make sure no one steals any farm equipment or

perpetrates any mischief. Basically night watchman for a season. Sit here. Sit here. The pay is $300 a week. Okay. And a place to live. So this is from this ad, there's a snapshot in your mind of the picture of the person

you're looking for. And it is a dude who has no family. Right. And a very a dude who has no family. And a very thin flannel shirt. A thin flannel shirt that he wears in January in Ohio. And he's not cold somehow. But that's the guy though. A guy who's not, you know, you're not looking for a guy with a wife and three kids here.

That's not going to work. A guy that loves black coffee and cigarettes. That's it. And lives in his car probably at this point. So there really is a plot of land in Caldwell just like Rich promised in the Craigslist ad. Problem is it technically belongs to a coal mining company. It's not even his. Not even his. They said it's in a beautiful corner of Ohio's Appalachia and all that kind of thing. There's a lot of, you know, a lot of

nature and shit like that, but it's a little interesting. Now, November 13th, 2011, Brogan, 16, wakes up early to help Rich run an errand. And this is, his errands have been going on for a while. We'll backtrack later. So Brogan has to pick up Rich at about 6 a.m., but he likes to get up early and drink his coffee. Brogan or Rich? Brogan, he's 16, but he loves to get up at 5 a.m.

and drink coffee like he's 68 years old, which is funny, because you're 68 years old. You're the oldest 43 year old who's ever lived. I sit on a sofa in the backyard with my feet up, freezing, just drinking coffee. I love it. I'm barely in bed by then, which is hilarious. So anyway, that's the point.

Now the plan is to pick a man up today named Timothy Kern. K-E-R-N. Where are we picking him up? He's 47 years old. He's going to be waiting for them in a strip mall parking lot with all of his earthly possessions. Tim answered the ad on Craigslist. Just standing there in front of the CVS. That's it. Well, what's even worse actually

When you find out where they were we'll get to all that so he's almost 50 as we said 47 recently unemployed He's been working nights cleaning Speedway parking lots with those big Street sweepers and Fucking gas station. Oh my god with the big Zamboni street sweeper. It's not his company. He worked for somebody else. Absolutely. And I know a guy who used to do that and his life was not going well at that moment. It's tough. It's a tough life. It's a tough day. And you're doing that at two a.m. Yeah. Yeah. And one time I don't know why he told me this but he was like oh man I was sitting in my in the thing or street sweeper He goes and I saw this chick coming. She was leaf blowing and she I saw long blonde hair

I was like man, she's hot and then he got a little close and she got a little closer and I went Oh, that's an ugly man So that's that's who's streepin sweeping he was hoping for a love connection amidst different shit employment of concrete cleaning. Maybe all us parking lot night workers can get together. Turns out he had like a scraggly goatee and everything and he just didn't have good eyesight. So he was the speedway parking lot cleaners downsized and he got laid off. Ouch. So I mean that's you're getting squeezed out of that.

He basically has a history of being a bit of a loafer, bit of a stoner back in the day, kind of a burnout, likes classic rock and that sort of shit. I see him already. You know the guy, he's divorced, has three boys. The cab of that fucking street sweeper was so loud. It was loud, yeah. Deep purple purple just like

That's the soundtrack here Definitely smoke on the water is the whole theme of this show Holy fucking unbelievable now his ex-wife Tina is At the time was a cocktail waitress at the winking lizard tavern, which that's a penis, right? That's what they're saying. Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought.

Winking lizard? The winking lizard. That's a penis. I don't know what else that is. Mid shot penis. Unless you're in the Southwest, that's penis. Unless there's like a gecko theme. I don't know.

That's a penis. That is in between ropes penis, that's what that is. Yeah. Now this lady said she still loves Tim, but couldn't stand being married to him. No, she said it was like having another kid. He's a mess, he's not responsible. She said in the most recent photographs basically,

they said he still looks a little bit boyish, but he needs to get his shit together. So Brogan pulls up in front of Rich's house, and you know, Brogan's driving his Buick, he parks there, Rich comes out across the front lawn and sits in the front seat, and they're gonna pull off. They do this all the time, this is his ride. Yeah.

So now the day before, Brogan was tasked with going out behind the rolling acres mall Yep, which is a abandoned mall at the time except for a JC pennies. That's in the process of closing So it's very depressing suburban mall here and there is a bunch of woods out back behind there No one's going to this mall. So this is a good place basically Rich had tasked Brogan with going out there the day before and digging a hole big enough for an adult male body Go ahead and get that done. Go dear buddy. Yeah, so Rich

Doesn't really like to do stuff like that. He's not a digger, but he watched, gave moral support, you know what I mean? So basically Brogan trying not to think about what's going on this morning. We'll go back in time, back to August of 2011. That's November, Tim Kern, they're going to pick Tim Kern up, there's a whole dug. Oh boy.

Okay, so that's in the mind. Now back in time to August. This is when Rich discovered there was a warrant out for his arrest a product of a 20 month investigation of the halfway house He's going to prison. Yeah, he's in trouble. That's a lot of money spent on that investigation They aren't fucking around. No, you're going to prison for that shit So he says if you were arrested he could spend the rest of his life in prison So he says if he were arrested he could spend the rest of his life in prison Because he you know he's 52 year old guy who doesn't live well So you know they said that that's when rich started to target guys like Tim with that Craig's list ad

Which is Tim's the exact guy that you're gonna draw with that sure first because he needed a new identity What he wanted to steal one of their identities that was the whole point and then he started going well if I Have an identity. That's cool I could just start getting guys to come out here to start stealing their shit all of them and selling it and I could just Make money that way so if I just keep getting people in and get rid of them and taking all their shit I just make a living off of that and it's a sustainable future if I if I get fucked up get caught up in something They're looking for Tim Kern. I got another identity. That's it more more identities Yeah, so and like I said rich riches ad was designed to get this person

Yeah, to get you know a kind of older guy. Yeah on the grid guy unattached. Yeah, it doesn't really have a lot of moorings to the world into like the mainstream world that sort of thing Not doesn't have any ambition not trying to be the CEO of a corporation Someone who said if you you sit here in this trailer I'll give you 300 bucks a week to not do anything they go sounds good to me fucking great deal Yeah, that sounds good to you. Yeah, you should reevaluate your life probably because you think it's not great That's not a good way to be living. You got to have a little more ambition than that Even though I'm lazy to when I want to be

$1200 a month and room and board is I'm I'm above that and that's the thing I know especially when the room and board is a double wide in a coal mining field I don't want to sit there by myself. I've got more ambition than that. Yeah, you've got to be a hermit for that shit. Like, that's some weird shit, man. So that's what they're looking for. Basically, someone whose life has gone downhill. You've got to be careful with that guy, too, though,

because you'll get. Oh, you could be a dangerous motherfucker. You never know. Oh, my god. You could get criminals. You're going to get. You could get the Unabomber. Well, that's why he's.

Well, this guy, one thing he's rich is very good at is figuring out exactly who people are and sizing them up. He's a con man. Con man can tell like that who you are and what you're capable of. And he's really good at that. And a prison helps and all those things help to be able to kind of have that sixth sense for crazy people here. So, um, rich had been interviewing subjects. He carefully selects, he gets hundreds of replies for this ad. Yeah. Tons of people want this job. Jesus. So he, uh, I guess he's been showing up at the food court at the,

of the chapel hill mall with an official looking application form. Okay. Yeah. They're going to everything. It's got an app. They said that he affects the air of an affable blue collar type landowner who just wants to find someone friendly to camp out on his Spread while he's up in Akron conducting his business, you know, it's got a job application He's you know, he's got a whole deal. He gave you a resume like he's taking paperwork and shit Rich had certain things that he'd want to know from these people quote Do you have a wife or kids or people you need to keep in close touch with? People looking for you?

He tells him the farm doesn't have cell coverage, so you won't be able to keep in touch with anybody. He says, are you a fellow who can live in peaceful isolation? Oh boy. Yeah, are you a guy that no one's gonna look for if you're missing, essentially? And what type of vehicle do you have? What would you be bringing down with you when you came?

Any computers or things like that? He's basically giving an inventory of what your shit is Otherwise, why the fuck would you need to know that and he says bring it all with you and my nephew and I'll drive you Down to Caldwell. Okay, so everything you got you can totally bring with you. Yeah now the farm quote-unquote here I Now the farm quote-unquote here I guess what you call it you you drive up onto Rado Ridge past a couple of desolate houses and turn on to Don Warner Road and then drive till you find quote the farm the spot the middle of fucking nowhere is what it is So August 9th 2011 Ralph Geiger shows up. He's 56 years old He's from Akron this guy had kind of a sad story too. He's currently homeless at the time, but he was the owner of a very successful construction company and it all fell apart. Oh, my heart. Yeah. And in 2007 and 2008, if you owned a

construction company and you all pretty well over, well, if you overextended yourself, you owed too many people too much money. You're your father if you got too giddy about the housing boom Had your bets you're fucked at that point so He anyway homeless homeless lost everything. Yes. That's it's wow fucking crazy on August 3rd 2011 Well, we'll get into that. But anyway, this Ralph Geiger here, he ends up, you know, they talk to him, they talked to him for a while, they got all his information ahead of time. And then August 9th is when they picked him up. Okay. Okay. Basically,

what they did is they, they took him out into the woods. This is by the mall again took him out there and this becomes a thing Rich does is to hill hill walk ahead so the guy nobody feels uncomfortable. You're a stranger behind you Yeah, so he'll walk ahead make everybody feel comfortable and do all that and then out of nowhere He'll say something see there's that over there that ridge after the guy's comfortable walking behind the guy I'll look and then he'll turn and just shoot him in the back of the head as quick as he can And then pump as many into him as he needs to to kill him. They strip these guys naked Dump them in a fucking hole put just enough earth on him take all their shit to cover up take all their shit Sell it if they have a car they literally break it down for parts and like a chop shop

They melt shit. They melt shit They melt metal down what the fuck to sell these people shit diabolical Diabolical now Ralph Geiger. He's the first the main thing that he wants from Ralph is his name Yeah, he needs Ralph's name. Yeah, cuz he's got to hide from this fucking yuppin shit. He's a clean name so yeah, he killed Ralph he removed all his clothes covered him with lime and Replaced the ground cover so you would notice it basically so now Ralph

Was the name after that on Rich's driver's license after that all of a sudden rich has a Ralph Geiger driver's license with his picture on it and he got officially also that is the All of his prescriptions are now for Ralph Geiger. He's just using that as his name after that on August 31st 2011 Ralph Geiger quote-unquote submitted an employment application to Tech Center Inc Listing a home address on Kramer Avenue and Joyce Krabowski as an emergency contact Joyce is a woman he stayed with for a couple of months earlier in the year that Rich stayed with.

The next day, Geiger, quote unquote, submitted an application to Walt Co. Trucking Company, again using that address and Joyce as a reference. Alex Hartke, a Walt Co. employee, said that he worked alongside quote, Geiger, in September and October of 2011. He was trying to go straight? No, no, no.

He was, yeah, he was working under this name. Wow. He was literally had a job under this guy's name. Trying to just go straight and not get arrested. Yes, but he's also murdering people on the side. Yeah. On September 19th, he opened up a checking account at PNC Bank using the address and Ralph Geiger's name.

Activity in the account included the deposit of two checks from Tech Center payable to Ralph Geiger and a check written to Grabowski dated October 3rd, 2011. The day after he opened the account, he sought medical treatment for chronic pain at Akron Community Health Resources, Inc. where he was seen by a doctor under the name Ralph Geiger. Of course, the doctor said that the patient was seeking prescription painkillers. Yeah, obviously. He told the doctor that he had a cervical fusion the result of an accident involving a dump truck.

Oh boy. Did he tell her about your dick? Yeah. What about that Stanley cup to the sack? I'll just say, I don't have a dick because I got a, I took a fucking Tumbler to the nut sack here. I don't have a dick anymore. Took a Stanley Vian airbag right up to my fucking gooch. Right there.

He said he'd been seeing a doctor in Tijuana for narcotics. What? That's what he's been going to. From Ohio to Mexico? To get pills. Wow. So the doctor had him sign a medical release, treated his high blood pressure, prescribed a non-narcotic pain reliever, and told him to come back in a week and see me and see how you feel. He returned to see her on October 27, 2011.

In the interim The doctor could not get the records from the Tijuana clinic. He claimed to have gone I'm sure they were on fucking post-it notes Yeah, I'm sure and I'm sure they probably don't exist because he didn't go to Tijuana Okay, so I don't know how he would go back and forth say that because he's trying to say that I went down there And I had drugs because I was the only place I could go So I need these drugs and then this lady wouldn't give him drugs So other witnesses talked about meeting a man in 2011 who called himself Ralph Geiger In August Don Walters jr. Or John Don Walters senior was introduced by a man to a man This is rich rich said he went by Dutch at that point

This is rich rich city went by Dutch at that point Once while shopping together this guy saw Dutch use identification in the name of Ralph Geiger Okay, he has a million nicknames by the way Dutch Jack this that it's interesting in August or September of 2011 a guy named Joe bias rented a room in his house on Shelburne Avenue in Akron to a man who goes by Dutch but licenses Ralph Geiger. So he rents a room in Akron and he's the same. He's Dutch and Ralph Geiger obviously. October 2011, Daniel DeWalt applies by email to be the caretaker of a cattle farm he's

told in Caldwell here and he found that on Craigslist he got an email response and he agreed to meet a guy named Jack. Yep. Jack is Dutch and Ralph and Rich and everybody else here. My god. This is at the Chapel Hill Mall food court in Akron. When they met Jack tells DeWalt that his my uncle Bob Gaylord owns a farm in Caldwell and needs someone to start work right away because a nearby road was Blocked by a landslide. So we need people in there right now DeWalt filled out an application. That's not an application job, by the way Clearing out landslide damage from the side of someone's property is can you be there at seven? Great. So I doubt there's a

Property is can you be there at seven great? So you know there's a W2 no this what we doing yeah Jesus Christ so a few days later this Jack Geiger Rich offered to Walt the job DeWalt packed all his belongings in a u-haul trailer For the move a whole he needed a u-haul for this got enough shit. Yeah, that's an apartment at least full of shit But DeWalt told Jack that he was bringing his pistol. Okay. I got my gun with me. Yeah.

Jack initially said that was okay, but then changed his mind and told him, quote, I'm the only one here with a gun. I don't want any, which makes me go, well, I'm not coming over. Then I'm not coming over. Yeah. I want to be armed, but I don't want you to be. I don't know you and you're not allowing me to be armed. What? What you want to be. Yeah. Yeah. This is weird.

DeWalt also told that Jack, told Jack that he'd been unable to find the alleged property on the website. He said, I look for the property you're talking about on the county assessor's website here doesn't show up. And then then he said to himself this ain't the quote This ain't adding up attaboy. Yes. This is he's a little too smart. He's got a u-haul full of shit So he's got a couple more brain cells kicking around bouncing off each other here. He's not quite the Destitute fellow they're looking for that's well He's just what they're looking for if only they could get him here unarmed and unbrained

So additionally Jack wanted to buy DeWalt's SUV and truck. This guy's got two vehicles for Christ's sake. He asked to pick up the vehicles on a Friday, promising to pay on the following Sunday when they got to the farm. Uh huh. I'll pay you when you get here. DeWalt said, I don't know, he said, quote, what if somebody's trying to get my vehicles before I come down there, and then when I get down there

They shoot me and take my stuff Sir, he asked Jack that he asked Ralph Jack rich that well, what if you're just trying to kill me and Jack replied quote you shouldn't have said that and said now I got a consult with my uncle and make sure you're still okay Yeah, so on October 15th, DeWalt received an email from Gaylord this time, allegedly, at this is rohandannayer at gmail.com is the address here, withdrawing the draw ball.

You're fired. You're fired, yeah. So he was Jack Gaylord at that point next up George Brown He's semi retired from the concrete business and just wanted a job to supplement his income just wanted to sit down Just have a little break. I don't I don't This is just gonna be spinning cash back walking around money. I just sit around in the trailer I've got money $1,200 a month to bullshit. This is my I'm gonna dream on Amazon Yeah

fucking dreams So on October 7th the answer to Craigslist add for a job taking care of cattle in Southern, Ohio It's promised him a trailer a credit card and three to four hundred dollars a month Okay, that that's money. Now it's getting real cheap. I don't know what the difference, if you're going to kill these people anyway, you might as well just say $1,000 a week. Right, tell them it's two grand a month.

They probably wouldn't believe that, that it's going to be a believable amount. So Brown arranged to meet Jack again at the Chapel Hill Mall food court. The interview was going well, but then Brown said that he mentioned that, oh yeah, they're just chit-chatting. He goes, yeah, yeah, I've been doing martial arts since I was a small child. I'm badass. And all this type of thing.

He said at that point, Jack kind of sat back in his chair, like, hmm, can I take this guy or what? He sized him up. Yep. Brown also told Jack that for a while, he worked as a security officer. He was like, hmm. Yep. Brown also told Jack that for a while he worked as a security officer. He's like, hmm, don't like that. Jack ended up pulling back the application and ended the interview right there. Security guard or nose karate. I'm out. Not doing it.

Fired him in front of the Chipotle. That's it. Right there in front of the Sabaro's. It's over. We're done. We're done and he, hot dog on a stick, witnessed your lowest point. And he said he never heard back from Jack about anything else again, that was it. God damn it. Next up, Dave LeBlond, another guy here. DeWalt LeBlond, he's looking for anybody with a French sounding name here.

LeBlond was looking for work, he responded to the ad for a job as a farm hand on a 300 acre farm. He said a guy identifying himself as Richard Bogner, B-O-G-N-E-R, Bogner, whatever the hell he, Bogner, interviewed him at the Chapel Hill Mall. Again, same thing. During the interview, LeBlond told this quote, Bogner, Jack, Rich, Kiger, whoever you want to say, that he had a fiance. He said he was never contacted again about

the job. That was that. This is unreal. You have a connection to the world? Goodbye. Peace. I got to get somebody else. You'll be looked for later. So there's that next up David Paulie comes in This is he's the father of an adult son been divorced for two years and was looking for work He found the job posting earlier in the month. He's from Norfolk, Virginia. He's not even from around here. Oh shit This is a trek. It's coming a couple states away. Yeah, his sister said his big love and hobby is NASCAR Yeah, and he's got tons of NASCAR memorabilia. Yeah, all sister said his big love and hobby is NASCAR. Yep. And he's got tons of NASCAR memorabilia. Yep. All sorts of shit.

Whatever that would be. Little cars and posters. I can't, cars, posters, shirts, hats, jackets. Shit. Fuck, dude, it could be anything. It could be anything. Now, this guy, David Pauli, has a twin sister named Deborah. Uh-huh.

And he told her about the job opportunity he found on Craigslist on a 688-acre farm. Everything, they all change, too to the details in these ads. Taking care of cattle for $300 a week. He'd be provided a trailer to live and could bring all his belongings with him, plenty of room for it. Sometime thereafter, he told his sister that he'd been hired and would be leaving Norfolk

for Ohio on October 27th. He traveled to Ohio in his blue pickup truck, pulling a U-Haul trailer containing all of his worldly possessions. Everything. His sister said he was extremely excited about it. He felt like it was finally gonna be a new start for him. Finally doing it. Finally a place to also you could probably get it together. That would be a good place to plan your next move. Solitude, yeah. Okay. You can really map it out. If I do this for three, four months, I make enough money to live and I can just basically have some quiet and figure

out what I want to do with my life. Like that, I, to me, that sounds great to me right now. I'm exhausted, but that's, that's not bad. Yeah. He'd be, you know, there's always a great deal. Um, he driven from Virginia with all of this stuff, with a lot of his stuff is model trains he's very into, NASCAR memorabilia, and a shotgun he has. He's my dad. Yes, he is your dad. He is Jerry Wissman.

That's fucking great. How many wives does he have, nine? Nine, and also the same. Does this guy have nine wives? Same amount of Lionel fucking trains. This guy has more prostitutes than your father had wives though Yeah, that's pretty impressive. That's not bad Bruce I guess this the woman spoke with her brother

Twice on October 27th once to arrange payment for his hotel room in West, Virginia And again around 8 or 9 p.m. That day and then she never heard from him again Oh rich would the way you would do this he would take them out on the way to the farm, this is they've been hired, they come with all their stuff, on the way out there he'd take them out for breakfast. You know, because that's going to make you feel real, yeah, you break bread with somebody, that's how you get close to them. Oh god, belly full of hash browns and ham.

Oh yeah. Oh I want to go. They take them out to breakfast on the way to act like you know The magnanimous boss man like let me buy you breakfast before we get out there that sort of fine Yep, when they were eating breakfast with David Paulie This is rich and Brogan because it's Brogan except for the interviews Brogan's always with us Yeah, cuz he'll go to take him to the farm Rich told a long story over breakfast about how a friend of his looked like Kenny Rogers

Yeah, and when they were after before Before all the surgery Jesus he looks so bad. He looks tight. Yeah, he's dead now I know but at the end there he was bad. It looked like if you bounced a quarter off Yeah, it was all like 30 right back. Oh, yeah, just kick back to it So they say said my friend looked like Kenny Rogers when they go out to eat Yeah, it would fly 30 feet off. Oh yeah. We'd have some kickback to it. So they, he said, my friend looked like Kenny Rogers and when they go out to eat, Rich would let it slip to the waiter that it actually is Kenny Rogers. Hilarious.

But don't tell the other people. And then they'd all get to eat for free. Yep, that's what they'd do. So for, they had for David Pauley, they had a change of boots for him. Yeah. Because he gonna be mucking around Gloves, yeah, and even gave him a $20 bill Well, this is interesting. We'll talk about the $20 bill. They don't give him the $20 bill They take him out to the woods same thing showing him around the woods and when they do that same thing look over there

Oh, yeah, what's that? Pow, they shoot David Pauley. Shoot him down basically, and what they did is they put a $20 bill with a little rock over it next to the hole they dug and buried him in so they would know if anybody came across it. Which is actually very smart. Pretty good. Yes, that's very smart,

because someone's gonna pick that 20 up if they're there. Absolutely. So that would't if nobody picks the 20 up you know it has nobody's been here that's a very interesting not bad very very interesting thing here so they murder him they steal some of his possessions and store them in their friend's garage as we'll talk about Beasley told his friend that he had bid on a storage unit like the TV show Storage Wars. So I bid on a unit and I got it. So at 1.09 p.m. on October 23rd,

Beasley called Walters, his friend, and tells Walters that he got this unit and it came with a truck and a U-Haul full of things. That was in the truck, that was in the unit. A truck fit in that tiny little unit and a U-Haul trailer. Real deep. Real deep. Why would you want a U-Haul trailer in there when the storage unit is a fucking U-Haul trailer, a non-stationary trailer? That's what that is. You don't put a trailer in a trailer. The door was like the door to Willy

Wonka's chocolate factory. Just expand it. And then inside the U-Haul, there was a tinier storage facility. You walked into there, there's even tinier one. Just kept getting smaller and smaller. Unbelievable. So yeah, he said he needs a place to store these items till he could sell them. So Rich arrives at his friend's house driving a blue Dodge pickup pulling a U-Haul trailer. So yeah, that's Paulie's stuff here, obviously. David Paulie. So another car pulled in behind Rich, driven by Brogan.

And who he tells, Rich tells this man is his nephew. He tells everybody that. He wants to put all the shit, they unloaded the trailer, which was completely filled with bags and crates and put it all in the garage. Among the items was a laptop computer too so he's got some stuff then Rich comes back the next day Filling up his truck twice with items including the laptop that he wanted to take

Then Beasley takes the u-haul and returns it to the u-haul in Akron You know want to draw attention you all will come looking for their shit. For sure. They're definitely going to want their trailer back so that's unwanted attention so he brought that back and so that's two that he's got in the ground. November here comes Scott Davis. Okay. Scott Davis is 49 years old. He's from South Carolina.

He answers the ad. He gets hired. He sells his landscaping business to come to Ohio for this job. He's had enough. Had enough. So Rich introduces himself as Jack. And Rich by the way has a tattoo that says Jack on his arm. His name is not Jack.

What is going on? Maybe that's a knife. Is it a knife? Like Jack the Knife? I don't even know. Maybe. Or it's just he's such a con artist he thinks ahead of time I'll get tattoos of names that aren't mine so I could tell people that's my name That's fucking that's a long game. He's picking up nine-year-olds for further use and tattooing other dudes names on yes And through all all of the murders. It's him and Brogan only going out there with these guys Brogan has dug the hole and Brogan's the one who's gonna drag him into the hole because he's a big guy and rich has a fucked

Up back and he's lazy Doesn't want to do this shit. So Now Scott Davis saw the tattoo they bring they bring him to the farm Okay, and this is riches gag. He'd walk out in front like we said and he let the people follow him Down one of the tracks into the forest Because it'd be uncomfortable to have a stranger that were behind you obviously so they were looking for some Construction equipment they couldn't find they tell Scott. We're going out in the woods looking for this equipment and He was waiting for an excuse to turn around so he could shoot him right, so that's what happened

Rich would shoot them. They wouldn't see it come and shoot him in the head They'd go down pump a couple more on him and they bury him It was great because he never had to lay a hand on anybody didn't have to overpower them or strangle them He just picked the people who? Would believe him and then do it. And he knew what he was doing. Now, Scott, apparently this rich, they're walking in the, in the woods here and he said they go down to the farm to repair some roads. First off, they took him to a show knees for breakfast breakfast nice. So you'd have a nice truck stop belly breakfast. I have a nice gurgling

Cauldron of gas and shit to let out later on Then they go to a deeply wooded area Beasley gets out of the car rich does and so does Brogan and Here Now this time though for some reason going into the woods Brogan does not go into the woods with them Rich goes into the woods with Scott Davis and Brogan stays behind I don't know if it's cuz they thought it would freak him out or whatever it was But he ate at Shoney's too and has like I got it. I'll go the other way. I'm going back to the Shoney's I'll be chill back here. I got to return something to Shoney's real quick. Hold on. I'll be right back

I'm gonna go refund back to them. So as they continued walking near a hill Basically the gun misfires rich turns around and Scott Davis hears what he calls a cuss word and a click and he said I knew I was in trouble yeah I would say he said I saw a gun it looked like it was coming back toward it was coming back toward my head for a second try yeah he said it was then he started running it's at this point that he shoots him again and hits him in the elbow It's Scott in the elbow Scott doesn't stop now. He keeps fucking running going and going and going

He said he heard three more shots all of which missed him as he ran away. Oh He said I ran until I couldn't run anymore out of breath He hid up a tree. He climbed a, climbed a tree and hid there for seven hours. Oh my God. Till he thought they were gone because he figured he would be out there. The gunshot to the elbow. The gunshot to the elbow. He waited till after dark. Wow. Cause this is like seven o'clock at night. He waited till,

till he figured they would leave in the dark. Yeah. And uh, they, cause they, he assumes that they think that he probably kept running Yeah, they went up a tree and he's still there But he did he went up a tree because he couldn't he had no more breath right basically, so that's fucking crazy He said that yeah when he spun around he got shot in the elbow was running as fast as he could He said he was tripping and falling and the sticks and the mud in the trees Oh my god running through the woods frantically and day he managed to hide up the tree stay there for seven hours bleeding for profusely obviously he said finally calm down Uh-huh somehow yeah and walked out and walked about three miles till he found a house

Yeah, and finally he finds a house And it was there was a house with the light on he was he was like, oh my shit. So he knocked on the door bleeding. They called 911 for him. I had a competition, it was gonna be their house. How you doing, boy? And he's like, oh no. Welcome. Oh God.

So yeah, he said that he was rambling, telling them. He told the people in the house that he applied for a fencing job And then these people were gonna rob him and this guy, you know said he had all the documentation He has all the emails from this guy. He sent it to me goes. I got everything on the dashboard of my truck He said I knew I was in trouble when I heard this click and he shot at me He said one was 52 or 51 years old dark and gray hair The younger guy was 17 years old very tall about six foot five

Yeah, he said one of the men Looked like he had recently shaved a beard, but he said he didn't know they didn't know what he was He was just rambling. Yeah, they were like, holy shit. The sheriff got there. He tells the sheriff this whole story again I got shot. This is what happened the sheriff sheriff Hann, goes, nah, I don't believe you. What? Doesn't believe a word he's saying. That's not how it's supposed to go. He's bleeding profusely from a gunshot wound.

Something happened. What's he trying to cover up? That's exactly what the, he probably tried to rob a gas station or something they're thinking. So, yeah, he said he didn't believe him because number one, the cop said, I don't know of any 688 acre cattle farm in this county. Okay. Side step that.

So that might not be true. I don't know. He might have lied to me. Yeah, I don't know. This is what I'm telling you what I know. Yeah. What the fuck do I know? Yeah.

He said he knew of only one residence in the area that he was describing, a farm in Caldwell owned by Jerry Hood senior who was known by everyone as country. So country hood senior there and sheriff thought that the description of the two men somewhat matched country and his son Jerry Hood jr. So he goes oh maybe it's those two. Okay. So on Don Warner road about half a mile from that property from

Hood's property the hood you know country junior and senior there the sheriff found a rock slide and heavy equipment that Davis had described right he was like okay that's something country's wife Lois worked at a local tavern who doesn't in this town sure and the sheriff went to see her there and they said well I'm looking for your husband you might have attacked a young guy a guy in town here blah blah blah Lois told him well I doubt it was country because he's been in the hospital in Akron after he fall fell down the stairs and cracked his skull fractured his skull last month he's been in the hospital for about a month and a half. Yeah, so not my country probably here

While at the while at the tavern this guy even talked to country on the telephone Asking him whether he's still had a beard. He's been in the hospital with a cracked skull He thinks he came out to shoot this guy and then went back to the hospital. For a month. He's got a beard probably and This guy said in country said he did and then the sheriff went to the hospital to confirm that he still did have a long beard So it couldn't have been him because the beard was shaved so clears the country boys. All right, okay now November 8th 2001 here Ralph Geiger quote-unquote bought a 22 caliber Iver Johnson pistol to bought a 22 caliber Iver Johnson pistol brought it to a gun shop for repairs,

Smitty's gun shop. Geiger gave the Grabowski address and the telephone number of 245-8961 to the shop. Smitty's cleaned the gun and it was reclaimed on October 11th. Now, remember Tim Kern? Yeah, the first guy. The first guy guy back to him

When this job was offered Tim thought it was great He thought it was his first even though he's in his 50 or 47. He thought this was his first foray into adulthood This was his own thing where he was actually gonna make his own money have his own place and not rely on anybody or anything Like that place to live he said, you He said his sons could come see him there and hang out with him. Jesus. Still call his kids his babies, even though they're grownups, that kind of thing here. But he also was very anxious the night before he left,

saying he was, his family was saying he was at his ex-wife's house staying, and they said he was telling his boys he didn't wanna leave them, he stayed up all night packing and You know he would use that as a home base He's basically homeless, but he was using the ex-wife's house to shower and get his shit together Which is even worse than being homeless

Being homeless having to go to your ex-wife's house to rely on somebody who doesn't even want to see doesn't even like you yeah Yeah, so he said they said he was trying to feel laid back seemed laid back about it but he felt pretty shitty out of play and heading out that morning to go out there so rich tells Brogan number they were driving to meet him to get off the highway at an exit in the town of Canton mm-hmm okay he said Ohio can't know hi all thing he says that Tim Kern is waiting in his car not too far from there. All right so By the way, he said that

Brogan that morning noticed that rich Smells of bar soap, but then something is under it so you can smell soap, but it's like it's covering something grosser He notices that rich is wearing the same clothes as yesterday And he wonders if this is all the clothes he has now. Why is he wearing the same clothes as yesterday? This is weird. So he's just like this is a What the hell's going on with rich rich also has been dying his hair as part of his new identity Please kind of let it go now. Oh, so his roots are showing. He's got roots growing out, the same clothes,

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Yeah, it's real weird. Also, he's abandoned his house and is now living in a rented room like we talked about. In the room that Rich is renting, it doesn't even have a door you can close. It's like a broken door you can close. It's like a broken door you gotta like prop up. Oh no. So Brogan says that this morning he sent something about Rich that was a way he put it,

a new kind of desperation. Something's off. Something's going on here. Something disturbing, he said it was desperate and weird. He said it was even weirder vibe than he normally puts out. So there is a surveillance camera in the parking lot where Tim Kern is waiting in his 1995 Buick LaSaber. Hell yeah.

Kicking it. Fucking rocking that shit. Footage from the camera will indicate it's five minutes after six in the morning on Sunday, November 13, 2011 when Rich and Brogan arrived to get him. Basically they found obviously there's all of this is from a Waffle House in Akron. That's where they meet. They're gonna have breakfast in the Waffle House. All class. So this is the same day that he was I guess he was interviewed and basically hired at the same time. On the

spot. You're perfect perfect you're the best an interview I've ever had he was going out to do it they could he's described as a heavy-set man in a black leather coat and a red American flag ball cap no that's not them that's that's uh that's rich okay they can be seen walking into the restaurant and sitting down it was a detailed match of this knowing, you know who they are here later in the same video a second man walks into the cat into the Waffle House and sat down And this man was wearing light khaki slacks a red jacket and an Indians baseball cap, Cleveland Brogan here says he hangs back while rich does the talking

Is he otherwise he just sits there looking intimidating and making people uncomfortable so he sat down they sat down in the same booth at the Waffle House and He says that rich always gets real jocular and street preachy This is his way of bullshitting people. This is his initial bullshit Overwhelm you with my charm bullshit He says that Tim and you know breaks to that and lets him kind of do his thing and everybody says that's what Tim does He's not gonna he's not gonna dominate a conversation. He's not that kind of guy Brogan thinks that Tim seems like a nice guy

Likes him seems like a good like a real kind of kind man. He says so. Yeah, he says He's got a baseball cap on and he says he can't seem to keep straight. It's like I'll stay on him for some reason. But he's wondering, he goes, what the fuck is going on? Brogan's like, okay, Rich is wearing the same clothes, he's stinking, his hair's fucked up, his room's fucked up, and the other guys had multiple cars and laptops and U-Hauls full of shit.

This guy has a fucking 15-year-old Buick that barely runs. Right. Because the guy was saying it broke down a couple times on the way here. On his way there? It barely runs and all of his worldly possessions fit in the fucking Buick. Yeah. So what are we doing with this guy?

This is, yeah. What's the advantage here? Right. We're not making any money off this guy. What's happening right now? It doesn't make any fucking sense. He goes, you can't even drive the car on the highway the guy said doesn't go over this much or it'll break down so it's real fucking weird so

they're gonna take Brogan's car out to the farm quote-unquote he says Tim's living in his car he had all he has are garbage bags filled with clothes and like pictures of his family and and what's described as a soiled ream of personal documents of the type you see the itinerant crutch clutching outside government offices. Oh, here's my paperwork. He's that guy. Yeah, you're almost doing this guy a favor.

That's right. Poor Tim. Tim's having a rough go of it. It's not going great. There's no reason to know you can't hurt this guy. It's not worth it. No, no. Even if you're evil, you go, not worth it. No, you're not winning in that one.

You're not worth killing. Right. You got nothing for me. You can't take anything from me. Yeah. So before they get into the car, Rich tells Tim which of the things he'll need down on the farm and which he could come back and pick up later. He goes, we'll drive you out there since your car doesn't drive well, so here's the shit you need and leave everything else here. So, you know, whatever a toolbox a believable amount of clothes

So Tim will think he's actually going somewhere. It's going on a real trip here and and a TV Now Brogan puts the TV in his trunk, which is very heavy because it's not even a flat-screen TV. It's 2011 he's got a toshiba and he goes why does rich want this? trunk which is very heavy because it's not even a flat screen TV it's 2011 he's got a Toshiba and he goes why does Rich want this fucking CRT TV why would he want this right now he doesn't understand what we're fucking doing here yeah he's like this is weird we said well he obviously didn't do too good of a vetting process on this guy to find out if he fucking had anything this just doesn't make goddamn sense so rich asks Tim how much cash he has on him to get by down on the

farm none of this raises any red flags for Tim's not Tim says they said he get all sheepish and he said five bucks that's what he has to his name he came into town with a fucked up car five dollars all his name all of his shit and garbage bags and five dollars to his all of his shit and garbage bags and five dollars to his name he is just as low as it gets he's at his lowest point and he's thinking this is the thing that's gonna bounce him bring me back yeah and it's this is fucked up so while it's three still dark outside the three of them drive out to the to out of the parking lot and into the morning

yeah it's supposed to be about an hour and a half drive to Caldwell. Now Rich and Brogan are up front, Tim's in the back. That's how this goes. Now Rich keeps the chit chat up and he's a good bullshitter. He's a real good bullshitter. Small talk champion of the world. He really is.

And Brogan would say, wow, it's so weird, the things he would talk about there with the people. He'd always just have these conversations here. And Tim seems real affable and real, you know, this is fine. They said, oh, you know what, before we go up to the farm, stop, hold on, Brogan, pull over here. We need a quick detour. Tim, you don't mind, right?

Quick detour. Tim said, I don't give a shit. I'm on the clock. You know, whatever. I got five bucks, guys. Yeah. At this point, I'm on the clock. You're paying me. So whatever you want to do. So before before they get too far Rich leans back and says hey man turns out

We were hunting for squirrels out yesterday turns out we were hunting for squirrels turns out We were yes doesn't make sense out by the old rolling acres mall. Yeah number that Interview place interview place yeah, he goes we were you know we know that's the interview place. Interview place, yeah. He goes, we were, no, that's the interview place, the Chapel Hill Mall. Chapel Hill Mall. This is where they kill people and bury them because it's an abandoned mall. Yeah, Chapel Hill Mall still has a food court.

This one just has an abandoned JCPenney's. Right. So he said, we were shooting squirrels the other day and you know what, I lost my watch out there. And he goes, it's just sentimental value to me, you know what I mean? A woman gave it to me that I'm you know still close with it Yeah, you know it's like I remember her by and I really want to go get my watch

So now that there's three of us we could probably find it easier Would you mind helping us find this watch out in the woods? So now I'm a I'm a watch invest and inspector What's and Tim's like I'm on the clock right man? Fuck it watching farms looking for watches same thing whatever So he said do you mind if we go over to the woods and look for it real quick before we head down to? The farm and Tim goes I got five bucks in a car that doesn't work. Yeah, my time is not very valuable here. So great so I mean I Don't know why you'd be hunting squirrels and Akron in the woods behind the mall, but whatever.

It's fine. They seem friendly enough here, and they pick you up, drive you to the farm, and now they have to look for a watch. It's funny that you wouldn't think like, this seems weird, what's going on here. A watch? A watch?

But see, that's what you, when you're in that position and you have nothing happening in your life, it's not the, it seems normal because my life is fucking bananas too. True. I got a lot of crazy shit going on too. Not only that, what choice do you have? Yeah. No.

Right. Take me back to my Buick that can't make it back to my house? Nah, take me to the farm, you guys go look for the one. Yeah, fuck that. So there's really nothing more you could do here. And it's one of those things we've all been in, and the article talks about this too, but we've all been in those positions where you go, ooh, something's not right here.

Yeah, this is weird. I should go, and you don't though. We've all done that, where we think something's wrong, we go anyway. We've all done it, we've all fucking had things happen to us or not happen to us, but whatever, we've all had that feeling. So on the way to the mall, Tim mentions from the back seat,

he goes, wow, this is a nice Buick you got here, Brogan. This is great. He's real excited about a fucking, he's got like a fucking six-year-old Buick, and he's like, man, this thing is, this is great. Lapa luxury right here. So Rich has a plan for Tim's car car saying that he and Brogan will come back with some blow

Torches and scrap the car themselves for cash They're just gonna break the fucking thing down to sell to a recycle sensor basically so rich will take the cash and And give Tim this is what he's telling is what he's telling Tim we're gonna come back we'll break your car down since it doesn't work we'll sell it and I'll give you an F a Ford F-150 for you to use okay because you know you're here it's a more appropriate vehicle for the terrain on

the farm anyway that your car wouldn't work very well so he said what you can do is he goes I'll do you a favor you You can pay off, I'll sell it to you. And you can pay it off in installments that'll just come out of your wages. Sure. We'll take 50 bucks a week out of your check if you get a new car. And Tim was like, fuck, you can't go to a fucking car dealer

and get that deal. That's great. You just give me a car, you know, and fuck, sounds awesome. So he was like, this sounds great. So Tim was excited about this. He thought it was wonderful, which again makes Tim more Trusting trusting I don't know just bent to his knee for how fucking grateful he is Yeah, a little description of the mall from the article on GQ, rolling acres is Chernobyl-y. That's not good.

Abandoned with fucking foliage growing out of the concrete. Radiation zone. With its cheerful awnings inviting you to condemned movie theaters and the now removed names of big box stores silhouetted onto the brickwork of its entrances, the mall was built in the 70s and expanded in the eighties. It's home to only a single JC penny outlet store. Not even a JC penny. The shit we couldn't sell at JC penny. It's too shitty for JC.

The returns to JC penny are sold here. Jesus. And if you go back in back of there, even there's a dumpster and that's Cole's outlet store. They have one Sucks and the Amazon returns. Yeah They said they put that that'll soon be shuttered that's in the process of clothes the JC Penney outlet It's a big blowout 60. Yeah, our shit. That's already 80% off liquidation sales on top of liquidation sale fuck Yes, Wow, they pull around an outbuilding and park near the woods, okay Now here they are looking for the watch they're in the woods looking for the watch quote-unquote

Rich pulls back a branch and lets it slap back at Brogan and Tim behind him. All right. Oh, well Brogan acts like Well, I don't think so here. He does that Brogan acts like, well I don't think so here, he does that just to see what happens. Tim, what a nice guy, then pulls the branch back and holds it for Brogan so he could walk by. Oh that's nice. He's trying to be a nice guy. Brogan said that fucked him up. He felt real bad at that point.

He's like, oh fuck this is a nice guy. He's a sweetheart. He just held the fucking branch for me and the whole time he's a real mild, meek, nice guy. He did the forest version of hold the door for me. Yeah, god damn it shit So he thought that wasn't cool here, but he didn't say anything or do anything. So he just felt it He just fell. Yeah, this isn't right his heart So rich and Tim walk together looking around Logan acts like he's searching around the leaves for,

because it's November so long, leaves in the woods. Shit, it's a lot. Then Brogan said he heard a pop. And he said he turns and he sees that Tim is down on his knees, but not lying down, and that Rich has the the 22 pistol in his hand Tim's holding the side of his head and rich says are you all right? You know like he gives a shit ask him if he's all right and and then after that which is

You are right Wow Then Tim doesn't respond rich shoots him like three three, four more times, pumps a few more bullets into him, and Tim slumps over onto his side. Rich is saying there's something wrong with the gun, it's not firing right, he's telling Brogan. And then Brogan notices that Tim's still breathing, he's not dead, even after four shots. So Brogan's like, okay, nothing worth stealing, no reason to kill him, and now he won't die and he's not breathing

He's still breathing and now I got a now we have a job problem Yeah, so rich gets close one last time and shoots him in the face. Okay. All right now he's lying on the ground They said eyes wide open. He's staring out and he's to every few seconds. He's taking big gulps. Oh god Death rattles basically and Brogan's like he's still alive. Heps of air. Oh, God. Death rattles, basically. And Brogan's like, he's still alive, he's still alive. Fucking get rid of, stop this, basically. And Rich says, nah, and just walks away. He's good.

He'll die. He said there's four bullets in his head, and I put one between his eyes. He'll die eventually. Oh, my God. So eventually he does die. Yeah. And Rich says to grab a leg. He'll die eventually. Oh my god. So eventually he does die. Yeah, and Rich says to grab a leg and

Rich grabs the other one and they dragged him to the pre dug hole that was dug the day before It's only about two feet deep and Tim doesn't fit totally in the hole but rich just says ah fuck it takes Tim's jacket off cuts the shirt off of him with a pair of scissors and And also kicks his black hat over that's covered in blood off to the side there. Okay, so Brogan asks Rich, why did we do this if he didn't have anything? And Rich says, well, this is what he said.

This is his, he doesn't have anything, they knew they didn't have anything, but he says, well, he was a dead man as soon as he got in the car, it's out of our hands. That was part of the plan. It was out of our hands. Yeah, he was he was already dead We already we already did the free ordained. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it was already did the thing We got to finish the thing the other three ordained couldn't have told Tim. You know what the job fell through Yeah, you don't have anything we need. It was like so we had to kill him. Fuck it

That's wild. So um, Tim's, they leave Tim wearing his pants, shoes and socks. This is the, I mean, he's being super lazy. And every, before it was all very, you know, put a 20 down in case. Now it's just sloppy. He doesn't even care anymore. He's getting like, ah, this is his old hat to him.

He's bored. So they said Brogan didn't even finish backfilling the hole when Rich says, all right, that's enough. Let's go. Let's get out of here. It's getting light out, let's just take off. So Rich is ready to get outta there and he just starts kicking some leaves on top of him. That'll do, that oughta do.

So it's getting lighter out. They're driving back from Rolling Acres from the grave site. Rich has Brogan stop at McDonald's for breakfast. All that murdering makes me real hungry. Those hash browns, god damn it. They're fucking craving them So they're doing all this rich likes to go to McDonald's because there's free internet

He said riches tapping on his computer and Brogan is watching the street outside He said he dropped rich at his place and heads for his mom's When he pulls up the hill toward home He gets a call from his mom on his cell phone Rogan is having a shit-burning sure is his mom is crying on the cell phone Oh, no, she said a man who she knows a guy she calls her quote millionaire maniac and Also says as a famous dog breeder And also says is a famous dog breeder

It's fucking known for his prized German Shepherds He likes to party had been a real asshole last night. And so now she's walking home crying All right, God, so I tell you about my morning mom. Yeah, listen, ma She's a so broken goes. All right, and he picks her up on the way. Yeah. Pick up my mom, probably not the first time he's done that. She leaves a prize German shepherd breeders home. Millionaire maniac. She's crying when she gets into the car. God damn it. Yeah, it's just, you know, fucked up.

So basically she sees her son as the stability that can, like he's the parent, which is ridiculous. A mess. So she says, I'm sorry I wasn't there last night. I didn't know you were coming over this weekend, I swear. And Brogan says, it doesn't matter, Mom, it doesn't matter. Don't worry about it, it's fine. So by the way, remember Scott Davis? Yeah.

Who got shot and ran away, hit up a tree, and the cops don't believe him? What's going on with him? Well, they didn't believe him. They didn't believe him about the job offer, the shooting, all that shit. So then the sheriff's office located Scott Davis' truck and trailer full of belongings

that he had brought to Ohio. And they're fucking, it's obviously the cops go, well they didn't get anything from you. So they're probably gonna be going after other people if they do. So, um, it's fucking interesting. Now this is while they're killing Tim Kern, this is going on. The FBI is now involved and tracing the Craigslist ad back to Rich's IP address

while they're killing Tim. And, uh, later to a camera at a show knees in in Marietta, Ohio that snapped a picture of Brogan and Rich as they walked to meet Scott Davis today. Now they believe him. Yeah. Once they find that further investigation corroborated even more. They found Davis's ball cap in the area where he claimed he was shot. Yeah and took off running. Lost his Cleveland Indians hat. There's that so he said that there and When the police went to look for it and found the hat. They also found a shallow

Empty grave. That's Tim Kearns grave. They were there the day before they took him out there So they found to be in it. Yeah, that was his grave. So they're, oh shit, and it ends up being Tim Kern's grave. So that's how that goes. Now, the search, they return later with search dogs and found more bodies. Obviously, they find the bodies. FBI agents and local law enforcement return to the scene in an empty hand dug hole

about 80 inches long and a couple feet deep was found approximately 175 feet from the road. An agent with the Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation, Stephen Burke said that his first impression on seeing the hole was that it was a grave. Somebody was going in. You know what a hole, a person size hole looks like there. And it's about a hundred feet from where Davis's hat was found.

Oh my gosh. They were going to make it easy to drag him there the next day search dogs alerted investigators to an area of disturbed soil Beneath that they found David Paulie's body on November 25th roughly 80 feet from the open unused grave They found another shallow grave Containing Ralph Geiger's body. Now they're finding all these bodies. This is a burial ground. This is so bad. This is the JCPenney is going right now.

Oh boy. It's over. Well actually this might revitalize the mall. Might maybe even wanna be there. People be like, oh shit, I gotta check this place out. So they do that three days after the Tim Kern incident. Federal agents show up at Stowe High School and pull Brogan out of a class.

Oh my God, he's still in high school. Oh yeah, he's 16. Wow. He still has the TV in the trunk, by the way. Oh, Jesus. Not great. And he and Rich didn't even scrap Tim's car yet. They got zero out of him.

So they arrest Rich as well and execute a search warrant at the residence here. Among the items in Rich's bedroom was a collection of NASCAR trading cards. Oh, he's got the cards too. An ammunition box that is like a family heirloom that the family knew he had.

A green cooler containing a model train and books on trains, all of which had belonged to David Pauley. They also found mail there addressed to Ralph Geiger, had, a green cooler containing a model train and books on trains, all of which had belonged to David Pauli. They also found mail there addressed to Ralph Geiger, including an envelope from PNC Bank dated September 30th, 2011, after Ralph Geiger's death. They found a receipt for an emergency medical service provided to Ralph Geiger on February 25th, 2011.

That's the real Ralph Geiger now. As they recovered, and they also recovered four prescription pill bottles with Geiger's name on them and two bottles with Basley's name on them. So that's before that. The same day Brogan's arrested, this is, oh, by the way, they sent the SWAT team for Rich and busted the door down. There's a helicopter and everything. Well, moved the door aside.

Yeah, they, well, it didn't take much to bust down. I was going to say they could have sent, they could have sent like they could have sent somebody's mother up there to knock the door down. So December 2011, Brogan starts confessing. Sure, he's a child. He starts giving it up to the FBI sitting there going this is triple murder and attempted murder of a fourth person. You're in deep trouble son. And he said, well, I better start talking.

Well, I'll tell you what happened. He does tell a few lie stories first, though. He does tell a couple of. Tried to cover it, huh? He tried to kind of, yeah, he tried to make it not as bad as it is for a while there. And eventually they got it all out of him, though, here. So they sound, it's interesting, too.

They said if you sound, the article in GQ said if you listen to his confessions, they begin to sound different. Everything's veryof-fact till they get to Tim Kern That fucked him up. I wouldn't really bother did yeah They said that throughout most the hours of the statements Brogan maintains a tone of almost solid impassivity Sounding like someone who'd merely watched a series of killings on a strange unmarked videotape. He received in the mail Yeah, what happened was awful, yeah, but the events didn't concern him.

Just, yeah, that happened. And there was like reason to do it. Like, you know what I mean? There was, sure, it's awful, but this is how we get by. This is how we, you know what I mean? It's like starving McDonald's. It's no good.

It's no good, but she got, yeah. That's how I get paid. That's how I get paid, I gotta do it. So they said when he talks about Tim though, it seems much different. Yeah. It's as if whatever, you know, the article says it too, whatever mental box he put this all in is falling apart.

It's all coming apart. He doesn't like this at all. So yeah, they find him, they examine a bullet from the Davis shooting, which turned out that Scott Davis who got away the bullet was still in him. Oh lucky, took the evidence with him. Yep they said it probably came from a 32 caliber revolver then Ralph Geiger here they said here they described this area as if you turn the farm if you turn on

Don Warner Road you'd find the farm that road will drop you down into what people here call a holler. It's a holler? It's what everybody calls it. And if you stop midway down the hill and take the half grown over four wheeler track, you'd find a hole containing the body of one Ralph Geiger naked and partially decomposed. So they got him out to the farm. Everybody else was there. The body had been there since summer and now sits beneath four feet of damp earth. Wow. They said there's been a lot of hunters going all over this land. Nobody noticed him. They said David Pauley, they found as well. They said maybe about 50 feet away from David Pauley is the hole that Brogan and Doug again they said it's empty except for several inches of rainwater it had meant for the been meant for the body of Scott Davis

who came they testified later on that the bullet examined from the Davis shooting they said that was probably a 32 the bullet recovered from Paulie David Paulie was identified as an intermediate caliber slug either a 32 or 38 they said they examined seven bullets in connection with the case. Four were 22 caliber bullets from an Iver Johnson pistol and the gun connects the gun connected to Timothy Kern. Two bullets were from the shootings of Davis and Pauley and another 38 bullet was recovered from the body of Ralph Geiger. And so yeah, there's that. They concluded that three different handguns

could have been used here. A 32, a 38 on the 22, Ivor Johnson. And every bullet, the calibers kept getting smaller and the victim kept taking more. Yeah, stick with the 38 and put somebody down quickly if you're gonna have to fucking do this. They searched Brogan's bedroom and found a briefcase containing a sawed-off shotgun, an Iver Johnson 22 long rifle semi

automatic pistol and a box of ammunition and some loose shotgun shells according to the ballistics experts the bullets recovered from Kern's body could have been fired by the Iver Johnson yeah not good so that pistol was not used to shoot the other victims though as we know The bullet was a 38 that killed Geiger and then Paulie was a 32 or 38. It was kind of damaged So it was hard to tell they said that the bullet recovered from Paulie's body was not fixed by the Iver Johnson Or fired by the Iver Johnson or by the same weapon that killed Guyver killed Geiger But they could not exclude the possibility that was the same weapon to shoot Davis and Paulie They think there's three guns, a minimum of three guns.

Other evidence where Rich was staying at his house, they found a black wallet beneath a pile of leaves near a downspout. He just kept that there. Outside. He said it contained, or it contained Geiger's driver's license and social security card, the real Ralph Geiger's driver's license and social security card the real Ralph Geiger's shit And act now joy Skirbel ski member her the guy the woman he stayed with and used her address for job Applications was a close friend of riches from their church days

She notified the FBI after all this that she received a letter from Beasley from the county jail Like a week later it instructed her with a hand drawn diagram exactly where she could find the wallet and two laptop computers. So she gave those to the cops. Here's the letter, Joyce, get your truck from Reeves and scrap it. Keep $100 and put the rest on my books. I need for you to go to the gridley house where I live at night and Lived at night and go back in the backyard in the rear corner by the garage under some leaves is two laptop computers

Get them and destroy them and then take them apart and trash them. Hold on. Do me a favor scrap your vehicle Yeah, keep a hundred bucks for you. I'm a good guy from real Yeah, put the rest on my put it on my bill put the rest on my tab Then do a bunch of my other shit for me Then destroy a bunch of evidence for me. There's a hundred dollars in it for you Even though you know I am in jail on a triple murder Not good Wow In the front corner of the backyard between the house and drive is a wallet under the leaves. Get that wallet and destroy the contents. If there are money left,

it's yours. God bless. There's no money in there. Yeah. Or put it on my books. Yeah. Don't tell anyone about this and never hint on a phone. Write me a letter and use the phrase sunny day. Yeah. If it goes all right. Yeah. And, or rainy day, if the computers are gone, I might be able to call you by T day, turkey day, Tuesday, Thursday, who knows? If so, you can say the code words on the phone. If you haven't got it yet, just say average day. Okay. So there we go.

Based on that. He said, it's very important to get this done. I mean critical and then three asterisks after it and then a hand drawn map of it all. And then says, look forward to a good report. We'll write soon. Our, the map showed the house at the backyard with an X by the garage labeled CPTR and a second label X labeled X with a wallet under it. So not good. So Rich told her to find the wallet and laptops

and all that. This is fucking crazy. So instead the prosecutors went there and the detectives went there. And found all the things. Yeah, they found the things. Like it's a rainy day. It's pouring.

Jesus. And they said, well, you knew he changed his name because she said, yeah, it was weird that a couple months ago he said to start calling him Ralph Geiger for some reason. And he said, didn't that wasn't a red flag to you? And this is, no, she trusts him because they're like church people and stuff.

So she said that, no, she said that I asked him what was up and he just said he wanted to be a different person And he said he didn't want to go back to jail and that they were saying he did stuff that he didn't do when he's A poor downtrodden guy so I felt bad for him So that's wild the forensic computer specialists examine the laptops on the hard drive of the Acer laptop He found a detail or deleted account in the name of Rick Pauli Which is David's brother, as well as documents authored by Rick Pauley.

The Dell computer and a computer taken from the house that he was, that he was living in Rich, both had been used to access the Rohan Danaher Gmail account with a password. And in Dell's browser history in that computer They located the text of an ad offering a handyman job on a secluded property in, Ohio The appare ad appeared on a website at Akron Canton back page comm got him on November 1st 2011 so that's a later one even the email address that placed the ad was Wasa love later one even. The email address that placed the ad was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was

was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was Ceased when rich was arrested never another thing there and also the Acer computer had been grant had been used to access that as well so they're in jail both of them now sitting there and GQ report or goes to talk to riches mom Carol the religious lady here He said I had breakfast with Carol Beasley riches mom at a bakery near her house She's a kind woman in a cute Christmas sweater who's befuddled by her own cell phone and more worried about the weather

for my flight back to New York than I am. Befuddled by her phone? An old lady befuddled by her phone. Just looking at her phone going, that thing's crazy. I don't know how to fix that. How do I make the numbers bigger? I can't read this. Carol tells me that she doesn't want to fool herself. Richard probably did the things they said. That's what she says. Though she can't read this. Carol tells me that she doesn't want to fool herself. Richard probably did the things they said. That's what she says. Though she can't help slipping into the framework that Rich has provided her for these events, the inconsistency is the suggestions of plots underlying the apparent facts.

But why did Scott Davis make the ambulance take him to the Akron General Hospital, which is right by the motorcycle club? That's one of her questions Who cares where it is who gives a shit shot him in the elbow ran away all of his shits there Shoney's videos probably he probably doesn't know that the motorcycle shits there. That's a piece of from there He had no fucking ideas. I take me by the motorcycle club He literally had to pass several other hospitals on the way there and why did Scott refuse to talk to the police for days? Scott's a scumbag too as we'll find out that's why or at least was at that time

I don't know about now He said I tell Carol that morning that I hope rich can tell the whole truth Because it's the only possible way to even take a fractional step toward making amends Carol Beasley says oh She says I don't think so. He doesn't want anyone to know the real him. He never has. He's too ashamed.

He'll never do that. So that's what she says. Now Rich goes to court. He's arrested now, not even for murder. They're still working on the charges. They're putting him in for the pending warrants he had for drug trafficking, prostitution. Yeah, he's in. We'll deal with that shit later because we've got you for a long time. We got you anyway. You're fucked. Drug trafficking, multi-count indictment, prostitution charges.

Akron police vice detectives contend his Yale Street halfway house was just a ruse for a brothel. Federal authorities are accusing this Richard Beasley of kidnapping and wire fraud as their investigation grows as well. It's identity theft, it's all sorts of shit. He's in so much trouble. Every bit of trouble you can imagine. The prosecutor said that Rich is a suspect in a very violent crime and asked the judge to give him no bond. He also said there's a detainer on him from Ohio and Texas, so all sorts of shit. He's not going in.

Hold him here. So they do. They hold him and that's that here. The new charges now are murder charges later. That's going to mean that he's getting his bail completely revoked. It was at millions and now it's gone. They brought him in the courtroom in a wheelchair. Oh, he's pulling that shit.

Yep. He's like Vince McMahon going for a steroid trial a big neck brace on this is crazy So on an unrelated drug trafficking charge, he makes his first appearance He's dressed in a black and white striped jail garb and kept his hands folded his head down the whole time So he, he, the reporter learns that Beasley told his mother during a telephone call that he believes he suffered a stroke in prison, in prison or in jail. They said the gray haired 300 pound Beasley normally walks with a cane because of a back injury. But he told deputies he was unsteady on his feet before his

court appearance. They put them in a wheelchair Jesus Christ, so and he writes a letter to the Beacon Journal to the newspaper This is crazy It's a four-page letter. He doesn't mention the murders or anything like that What he does mention is his ministry work with the Akron Bible Church His halfway house, which he said he purchased with his Akron Bible Church, his halfway house which he said he purchased with his own money, but you rent prostitutes, that doesn't matter. You pimp people out of it. He provided housing and food to more than a hundred people who came and went from the shelter. He also helped to feed

40 to 60 families a month out of the house and out of his house and car and provided weekly Bible studies for those seeking God Counseling came at all hours of the day. He said who paid for this I did. Oh, well, let's let him go then I think it's this is crazy He said I had a financial settlement from a traffic crash that I injured my back in and spent most of it to help others And got almost no financial help from anyone. This is the thanks I get? This is the thanks I get. Jail now.

God damn it. He also wrote that he spent three years on the church staff helping people, mostly drug addicts and alcoholics, and the mentally challenged, even the homeless, who were charged with a crime and facing the possibility of prison. He said he appeared in court on behalf of defendants three to four times a month for three years. After just one year of work, he was ordained by the church pastor, Reverend Randy Baker, as a chaplain.

Cook, great guy. Great guy, Randy Bakes. He said, I was very well known for these things, but I never looked for credit on this earth. A number of people from doctors and judges and lawyers and preachers and the homeless can stand witness to these facts. While helping drug addicts, he made drug dealers unhappy, he said, that's the problem. I've been set up by drug dealers.

They did this. Yeah, because I got, you know, someone was a crackhead, and I got him off crack. The drug dealer was like, hey, where's my customer? Because that's what they do. They're used to the real customers. And they're furious now that I took some of their income out. That's what he said.

He said that because of that, that's what happened. He said that a number of people from the doctors, they can even back me up. He said, so he said, I helped domestic violence victims and that angered spouses. So I have angry husbands, angry drug dealers, violent people after me. And he said, yeah. He said, at times he had to sanction people who violated rules at his transitional home and they would get mad at him. Okay. He said, the point is I have enemies, but for the right reasons. I'm a boat rocking son of a bitch. That's

what it is. So when you quote someone as a family friend who says something horrible about me, you better believe that's not a family friend. Okay. In interviews with the Beacon Journal after Beasley's arrest, the reverends grew uncomfortable with his charity work, they said after a while, particularly his housing of female residents there. And they called him a con man. So those are the people he was saying, cool, back him up. And he said that he took issue with this portrayal as a Christian con man who used his position as a chaplain and a halfway house operator as a front for prostitution and drug dealing.

That is ridiculous. I won't stand for that. He said, to call me a con man when I sacrifice for others is wrong. To turn their backs on me is not following Christ's example. I gave three full years of my life to that ministry and what I got out of it was the satisfaction of doing the right thing. There was no con to it. I lived in an old inner city house, drove old cars and got up in the middle of the night unaccountable times to answer any calls for help. I gave away most all I had and got almost nothing in return. These are not the actions of a

con man. Yeah. Jesus never got my voicemail. I got up and did return. These are not the actions of a con man Yeah, Jesus never got my voicemail. I got up and did it. I'd fucking did it. He didn't do shit. Where's he? Me I did what he said and he also says he feels betrayed By Brogan's apparent cooperation with the tech. Oh, that's the answer. Yep He said that's it and the detective said he's he's emotional state is very distraught. He's very concerned Yeah, it hurts when a guy you gave Everything to for half his life turns on turns on and fucking all you all you had to do was kill for you and help You murder people so Brogan appears in court and he's being held on aggravated murder and attempted murder, obviously

Now he's expected to be tried as an adult okay he's 16 the murder robberies benefited Beasley though and that's what his lawyer says yeah he said yeah he didn't get shit from this and they said well we found a shotgun in his room that was belonged to David Paulie so he did get some shit stole a gun and he's too young so Yeah, yeah, I think so but the fact they said that for instance It's it's they said that doesn't mean anything because his lawyers are saying that Yeah, that's what the guy who some abusive older guy gave him a shotgun And they likened it to getting molested by your uncle and he buys you a toy, okay He's like you're not but there is no crime for to getting molested by your uncle and then he buys you a toy.

Okay. He's like, you're not, but there is no crime for you getting molested by your uncle. You're helping. It's not an apples to apples analogy. And as a kid on his side too, if a guy that just murdered people hands you a weapon, you might take it. You might hang on to that. He might grab that just in case.

Just in case the guy comes back for you you maybe you'll need this yeah they said that he can't be jailed with adults of it yeah and he'll remain in the juvenile system till after his deal outside the courtroom they talk about the possibility of a deal for Brogan good they said I don't know if it'll happen this quick this month but we got a deal with him here that could spare him the maximum penalty life in prison without the possibility of parole His attorney declined to comment turns out no deal. Is that right? He cooperated with them, but under a proposed deal Prosecutors that would have allowed him to seek parole after see serving 26 years in prison the deal fell apart though

So he was gonna basically get 25 to life and then get an opportunity for parole at 26. Yeah, they were gonna let him get out at 26 and then at 26 years and then it didn't happen here. He was not offered a new deal after that. What the fuck are they gonna do? So he has to go to trial. He's charged with multiple counts of aggravated murder,

a count of attempted murders related to Scott Davis and also shitloads of other felonies you can imagine here. So the prosecutors say about him, he's a student in the art of robbery, deception and murder. They said he's an able student too. They said all that shit. They said the state can offer alternative theories for the murder, you know, for what happened because he's going to say that, you know, Rich did everything, but we have alternate theories. This is a part of life where size works against you,

because everybody thinks a monster is giant, and when a giant walks into a room accused of monster, yeah, accused of monster crimes. It's bad. You're better off going, oh, he's harmless, he looks harmless. You're better off being like 5'4", 100 pounds. Meek and mild.

Yep. No shit. That tiny man butchered people? No, not a chance. Not a fucking... But this giant 6'5", and... And doesn't look 16, it sucks. Just as wide. That's tough. 16 looks 25, fuck. Yeah, so they call him a willing participant in the slayings

and say that he's the other half of his criminal enterprise. Horrific monster duo. Fuck, so records, cell phone records, they noted, will place Beasley and Rafferty, Brogan and Rich, in close proximity to the victims. Brogan and Rafferty, he said, had a chance after chance after chance and he made the choices. He made Rafferty, he said, had a chance after chance

after chance and he made the choices. He made the choices he wanted to make. He made the choices that he needed to make. He did, he made the choices. Well, I mean, that's what it is. And in an apparent attempt to show that he acted knowingly and purposefully, he went back to the student thing, he said Brogan Rafferty was a student,

but what was he a student of at that point he was a student of violent crime and he was learning that he was learning how to bury people he was the driver he was the hole digger and ladies and gentlemen the state contends he was the other half of this criminal enterprise he was the other hand yeah the defense says you know shit they stressed that he's only 16, Jesus Christ, he said that this guy, Beasley came into his life when he was seven years old, so he's like a father to him.

He's the other hand of a body that's not ambidextrous. You know what I mean? He's the left weak hand. Well, he's definitely not an equal to this guy, that's the thing. That's my point. Yeah, he's not an equal. So they said, you know, he said this Beasley was the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing

And he tricked this guy He said that Brogan had absolutely no idea how dark this man could be to get he lured him in with Church and helping and being kind to him and you know Life's necessities things. Yeah food water shelter shit like that. Not a crackhead. Yeah watching me things like that shirt Water shelter shit like that. Not a crackhead. Yeah watching me things like that shirt They said that also if he didn't do what you rich wanted He that broke and feared rich would kill him and his mother and his sister So I got a mother and sister he threatened them. That's they say they said this was over a period This was a period of horror over four months. They said that under Ohio law that would be acting under duress

months. They said that under Ohio law that would be acting under duress, which means you're not guilty. It's not guilty if you didn't actually do it, not guilty if you're severely mentally ill, or not guilty if you acted under duress. If I hold a gun to your head and say shoot that guy, you're not guilty of murder. That's under duress. Holding a gun to the guy's head in seven with the sword dick. Yes. That guy's not guilty. Not guilty. It's duress. That's duress.

Oh, man. But duress isn't, come on, let's just do this. That's not duress. Duress isn't I talked you into it. Duress is actual duress. Be much cooler if you did. Yeah. It's not gonna be much cooler if you did, shit.

So he told the jury that that would be duress and an independent psychologist, he say, will testify that Rafferty didn't voluntarily do any of this. Oh my god. Which is not a bad defense, but at the same time, he had, it doesn't fly really. It's a pretty good defense in the option of what, do you know what I mean?

If it happened once. Right, but the alternative to guilty, Yeah. It's pretty, it's a pretty. I mean, it's the only defense they have. That's all you got. Because they have Scott Davis as a witness. So without, you're fucked otherwise.

And you know, some of the dead people's stuff is in his house. Who they need is Tim Kern. They need him to be like, he's a nice kid. He tried to help me. So Scott Davis testifies to what we told you happened. And this short cross examination ofamination of him he says that they asked him when this happened when you were shot Brogan Rafferty was nowhere around was he and he said no he wasn't because that was the one time

Brogan hung back right by the car which is very interesting and it might help him Brogan testifies he's gotta he's got to show he's a human being and not a silent monster there two hours of questioning from his attorney here. He recounted his childhood, how he met Beasley, how he became friends with him, how his mom's a crackhead, how his dad beat the shit out of him. During about an hour of cross-examination, he tried to explain how he remained, how and why he remained silent about the killings for four months, even when he was questioned at first by law enforcement because at first he didn't give it up. And then eventually he was like, all right, fine.

They were like, look at the few at Shoney's. See you there? Yeah, we're at the Waffle House. He's eating powdered eggs. Come on, look at this terrible shit. You know you had the shits terrible later on here. They talked about how by the time he was 10, that Beasley was there for him.

It didn't matter that Beasley was an ex-con. He said he was his father's friend, and that was good enough for him. It didn't matter that Beasley was an ex-con. He said he was his father's friend and you know that's that was good enough for him. Yeah. Yeah. So they talked about how he could quote Bible verses with the best ministers and to Brogan Rich was quote basically a brother with a different last name, a spiritual mentor, a counselor of sorts. Yeah. Especially if your parents like you hang out with this guy it's good so Brogan said he couldn't talk about God with his father but I could go to rich he also said he could go to him with any

problems I was having that included weekly church services talking about life lessons also included Beasley driving the streets of Akron looking for Rafferty's mother who on on occasion would disappear, looking for crack. Helped him look for her. He'd go, will you help me look for my mom? She's out. Oh, God. She's out on a mission right now. So Brogan said that he also rarely spent time

with his mother and didn't remember being with her often before he turned 10. He said he loves her and worries about her safety when she's on the streets. And he said, Beasley's the one person I could go to, he's the one person I could tell anything I thought he was a great guy he was like the father I never had wow they said did that relationship change and he said absolutely that guy that was the morning he murdered the man in front of me and I didn't think he was the same guy

after that right so he Brogan said that he was left in a surreal world on August 9th, 2011, went out of nowhere, Beasley put a gun to the back of Ralph Geiger's head and pulled the trigger. He said, that split second, I didn't think it was real. It was like I was slipping into a dream or something like that. I felt like I had ice in my veins.

He thought that the three, he thought the three were in Noble County to show Geiger a farm. He said I didn't even know we were gonna kill him Yeah, he said where the homeless man would work. He said that later on he learned that rich intended to kill Geiger and assume his identity as well He said he must have been because he knew he was on the lam from the cops and all that kind of shit After the first killing he said then rich threatened to harm my mother or sister if he said a word about it Yeah, he said those threats lasted for four months two killings and an attempt on another man's life two more killings Brogan said that he didn't trust police and he feared going to his father or church friends believing that rich would somehow kill his

Family as he'd find out he said that he had witnessed Beasley callously kill an innocent man and believed incapable of anything He said there was nobody for me to turn to he said I had to go with it or die. I didn't have a choice Wow, so when Beasley would called him on in October to drive to see another man in Noble He said I went along He said he dug a grave the night before the visit unsure if the ground was for him or the next victim right? He said that it turned out the ground was for him or the next victim. He said that it turned out the grave was for Dave Paulie. We talked about him.

He said the threats continued through November 6th when Brogan and Rich went to Noble County to meet Scott Davis. And he said at one point near where Paulie was buried that Rich followed Davis out of Brogan's car. He said, I hated to be a part of it. I wanted to be out of it During the walk Rich's gun jammed and Davis escaped with an injured arm and he said that pissed rich off. He was pissed off He said I was happy he got away though. I didn't want him to be dead So during the all of this he said that he often considered suicide Brogan said while this whole thing was going on

He said at one point he aimed a gun at his own head, but he felt that if he didn't kill himself that Rich would kill himself, Rich would kill him. So he said the last killing happened with Tim Kern and he describes that. Now for cross-examination, they say how come in at least four interviews that you gave to police investigating the case, in the first three you never mentioned Kern, Geiger or the alleged threats to your family. Why'd you wait till the fourth interview to say that you were scared of him? You didn't say that at first.

And he also pointed out a number of occasions when Brogan could have fled or defended himself with one of the firearms he obtained through the killings. Yeah, you're almost twice the man's size. That's the hard part like with the Dean Coral through the killings. Yeah, you're almost twice the man's size. That's the hard part, like with the Dean Coral and the Henley thing. Henley killed Dean Coral and then went to the cops and told him where all the bodies were buried, and he still got fucking life in prison.

And he, I mean that's. Without him, they got nothing. He slayed the monster and solved all your missing cases, and they went, well, you're as guilty as anybody. Wow, that's amazing. So he said that, you're as guilty as anybody. Wow, that's amazing so He said that you know raf Brogan said that he thought his family would be killed

He said I gave myself until January tops I was there to do what Beasley told me to do until my time was up Weird way to put it in closings Prosecutor said Richard Beasley's a murderer. He's a liar. He's a manipulator, but that doesn't take Brogan Rafferty off the hook. Their partners in the murder of innocent people killed execution style in the woods. He said, and Brogan is essentially a starry eyed eager apprentice who Rich confided in and groomed into a cold blooded killer. They're not to their like, they groomed him into it, but he he He was willing. He was a willing participant. Yeah, he pushed him out of the nest

But this motherfucker flapped his way. This is what they're trying to say here So he said Beasley was brutally honest with one person and that's Brogan Rafferty He was brutally honest with Brogan Rafferty and they knew each other and every one of their darkest secrets. Mr. Beasley is a murderer He's a liar, but mr. Beasley is a murderer, he's a liar, but Mr. Beasley's also a teacher. Mr. Beasley was the teacher in this situation and Brogan Rafferty was the student. Now the defense said, think about Rich Beasley

and who he is and how he found this guy. Think about how he goes out on the street and picks up these stray people to use them and to fucking. He turned out 20 women in a minute and a guy in no time flat. We don't know for what purposes. So he said that they said the teen was an easy mark. He said, you know, his childhood born to a crack head and left a fend for himself as a kindergartner by his working father and beat the shit out of him.

And then seven years old or so, here comes this nice guy being interested in him and spending time with them and taking them to the places he wants to go. He said about Beasley he finds their vulnerabilities and hooks them. He says that he was able to hook, grab and pull Brogan into the situation that he never wanted to be in. He exploited Brogan's vulnerabilities and Brogan said that he was unaware of the bogus Craigslist ad, which I don't know how you would think. That doesn't seem possible. He knew that's crazy.

How else did he get these people? How did he not know? That's what I mean. They said they also had no idea that Geiger was being driven to Noble County not for work but to be shot. The first guy and robbed. He said that after Beasley shot the unsuspecting man, that's when he was told to dig a grave. So he made him dig a grave. He said afterwards he was threatened with the death of his mother and sister.

He said there was no line that Rich Beasley wouldn't cross. This kid had no choice but to do what he did. So deliberations come here. It took 90 minutes just to read the jury instructions. 90 minutes? They have all those charges and the multiple tiers of them. 60 pages of legal instructions. That's a lot.

Usually it takes a while, but an hour and a half's a long time. So he could receive a life sentence here. That's how it goes. The panel, they deliberate for 20 hours over four days a lot of talking Yeah, that's a lot of talking the verdict comes in he is found guilty on 24 of 25 counts one not one not guilty those included nine aggravated murder counts for three victims attempted murder multiple counts of robbery and kidnapping gun

victims attempted murder multiple counts of robbery and kidnapping gun specifications and several theft related charges adult as an adult they acquitted him on one count of identity set theft and several gun specifications so basically the same thing they were charging the other guy with everything yes I was they said their partners yeah we walked in identical we walk in a liquor store together like the old disclaimer that's it afterwards reporters were trying to get Brogan to say something and he just said nothing to say as he walked away. This is bad.

So the jurors here, jurors Dana Nash and Michael Lewis of Akron, they interviewed them and they said it was Brogan's contradictory changing words from the witness stand and during recorded interviews with law enforcement that fucked him. They said we were we was kind of skeptical what Nash said because he was kind of contradicting himself during his testimony and some of his interviews. Luckily we took good notes. Oh I bet they were spelled perfectly and the evidence was there. You wrote his self in there. Yes. The other juror agreed saying Brogan had plenty of occasions from the first killing to the last one to contact police. Instead he dug

graves for Beasley, drove him to the rural noble county and shared in stealing the victim's property after they were dead. He said that Brogan had every opportunity to get away with them. It was really hard to decide though. There's a lot of deep thoughts because of him being 16. So they agreed that the youth made the disc... made it hard. The fact that he was young, he was 16 and a junior in high school. They said, we were trying to be fair and we were fair. We came up with the right decision. It was very difficult for us because like I said, he's a child and it was very hurtful. Okay. Uh, sentencing comes up. You, sir, may fuck off life in prison. Oh my God. Without, without at 17. All right. So that's, that's,

that's a long life. Don't fuck up in Ohio. No fuck up there. 2013, rich Beasley's trial death penalty on the table for him. He was 16. So that wasn't possible for, for program. You can't, you can't sentence a child to death. Death penalty on the table for him. He was 16 so that wasn't possible for a program. He can't sentence a child to death. Death penalty on the table here. Scott Davis testifies and they ask about, is that the tattoo you saw on his arm? And say, yes it is, yes it is.

Also people, Scott Rand to testify, the people from the house saying he came pale and frightened saying someone was trying to rob him and shot at him. They talk about all the bullets that were recovered ballistic matches rich testifies You have to ask he's got no choice this guy's fingering you right in front of everybody He said he's innocent and has actually been targeted by one alleged victim who survived He said I had no idea that somebody anybody had been killed down on that farm I had no way of knowing even though I stole his identity. Didn't know. Yeah. He said that also he denied any of the

involvement in the tax and said the lone survivor, Scott Davis actually was there to kill him. Scott Davis was the hit man. What is going on? He said this was in retaliation for being a snitch on a motor for snitching on a motorcycle gang investigation in Akron a couple years ago. He said and when he met Scott Davis, he said Davis was the one that pulled the gun on him. He said it misfired three times about two feet from my face and I ran into the woods and he ran after me. He said that yeah, they wrestled on the muddy ground and Davis ended up firing six

shots quote. I said, that's your six. So if he was going to kill me, he was going to have to do it with his hands. Oh, for fuck's sake. That's what he said. The process. So then how the fuck was he shot in the elbow? That's the point. It's ridiculous. The prosecutor says truth runs a straight line. This is a crooked mess. This man is out of his mind telling a story. He said that's this is all Richard Beasley show. He said he dragged a 16 year old. You should fucking be extra mad at him for what he did to the child. So in the defense clothes, I hate to be this defense guy. God damn it.

He said, yep, he was a snitch. He informed on on criminal bikers and it was Davis who was sent to the farm to eliminate him He said what he brought his own handgun then lied to sheriff's investigators Who first asked him if he had a gun because scott davis he did have a gun Not on him, but somewhere in his car and shit whatever. Yeah, we find out that here he says quote They're talking about davis and're so why would you believe him? He said, why is this person with a swastika tattooed on his right hand any more credible than Richard Beasley? Look, you're all scum.

Okay. It's to say if you have a swastika tattoo, you're a piece of shit. Probably a night unless someone pinned you down and forced it up. And even then I would color it in. If you got it tattooed on your chest because you got a bad rap and went to prison and had to blend in. But on your hand?

On your hand. Visible. Visible. Visible to the world. Visible swastika. First thing they see. You gotta wear gloves to make that go away. That's wild.

Oh boy. So Verda comes in. He's found guilty of every fucking thing in the world here. Murder of three, attempted murder of a fourth. And he just shook his head while they read it. Really? This is bullshit. Okay.

Absolute bullshit. Yeah, it's wild. Sentencing comes around and the prosecutor said the law in Ohio is for the death penalty It's reserved for the worst of the worst and it's the state's position that Richard Beasley is the worst of the fucking worst truth Richard's Rich's family comes on Carol his church mom said her son had a troubled childhood suffered physical abuse by a stepfather and she just learned Recently that he had been sexually molested by neighborhood youngsters So he has to kill everyone when he's 52

That's what happens He said I always felt she said I always felt there was much more than he told me a defense psychologist Said that Beasley suffers from depression alcohol abuse low self-esteem and a feeling of isolation Which probably is for murdering people. I don't know, man. Start writing jokes. I've been there. Yeah, that's what I mean. I feel the same shit.

We've all had shitty lives, and we got funny. We all have those same fucking traits, man. Yeah. We got funny. This guy killed people. He got murdery. They fucked up. So here it comes.

You, sir, may fuck off death penalty Yeah, he's the yeah, that's the poster child of it You can't do that to people and they said by the way now the gag orders up So they said what happened with the deal with Brogan and they said why didn't he testify and they said but he said he wouldn't Testify unless he could get chance of parole and they said we weren't willing to do that Is that they thought they had him dead to rights anyway, they had a guy say he tried to murder me So it was hard. They talked to rich in prison the GQ article talks. They the GQ guy goes to talk to rich in prison and It's wild man. He chose to he spoke to him., he says that, this is a quote, he says that,

it's not hard to like Rich Beasley right away. When I first met him, sitting in a Navy prison pants in the visitors hall at Chillicothe Correctional Institute, which is situated in farmland south of Columbus, he says he stands and greets me with a commiserating smile that says, can you believe it, the world is so fucked up, but wouldn't we really expect? Anything different? He called his hand an overboiled ham hock.

Ew. Yeah. And he says, I don't know. He says, I have to admit, I don't get GQ magazine. I get easy riders magazine and something called armchair general about military history. I also read the week cover to cover every week. Wow. I never get GQ in here. So they tell him, you seem like a guy people feel comfortable with. And he says that, yeah, people say that. He said, I accepted Jesus as my savior when I was 12.

I was baptized and that's all the baptizing I need according to my religion. And they said, so you think that you're fine in the afterlife and everything goes totally good. I got baptized when I was 12 and then you murdered people. He says well I believe you'll go to heaven if you accept Jesus Christ into your heart as your Savior. Doesn't matter. They said you don't have to confess to anyone. He said you don't have to confess to God. You have to confess to God and ask forgiveness. Do you know the story of King David? You're of Jewish descent right aren't you G you you know he put five extra ease in that he killed a man and had an adulterous affair and he was

the apple of God's eye and they said that's it confess to God near in heaven and he said that's it that's what I'll do or yeah talks to Brogan in prison Brogan is like they said he seems like he's like 28 he's this huge guy nobody fucks with him because he carries himself quiet and like an adult Yeah, and he looks like an adult and he's a big guy. So nobody really fucks with him that much here He does he does knuckle push-ups every morning He said after returning from breakfast, I do my hygiene brush my teeth after that I try to straighten up the cell make my bed make coffee fix the stuff on the floor

No one knows how old I am in here because I'm old school I carry myself as if I were older I look like I'm mid-20s plus they think I'm this crazy killer the serial killer so they still steer clear of me interesting absolutely he's they said what do you think about rich and he said to me he was just death when I first thought when I thought Of him it was death rich was death incarnate. They asked me said yes, how about that? He is six foot five and a quote-unquote serial kill. He's never killed a soul never killed anybody Well, he said he told me I know where your mother lives

I know where your sister lives and you could check on me every day and I just thought that was that so he's in there 2017 his riches artwork is on his website really yes murder Belia website here and I guess they the families were angered that they would someone would try to profit from the works of a serial killer now they're not allowed to sell those themselves. It's But you can you can give them to your family and then they can do what they want with them So do whatever then they could want to put your shit in your commissary then that's how it works here. So Yeah, they said it's a big deal. People are very mad because of the son of Sam law, but they've gone around this a lot He said he this a lot.

He said he has a response. He's mad that people are mad. Yeah, rich, rich says the taxpayers of the state of Ohio better thank God that some inmates do do sell artwork. He said if they did not, then every prison in the state of Ohio would burn and a lot of prison officers would be dead or in the hospital because we've got money and we can buy things. Otherwise, we'd riot Supermax prisons that never happens

He said other people are free to sell my paintings as per the law as I read it and I'm free to sell my paintings If they were painted before my conviction and therefore unrelated to my crime Okay, he said there are however no such paintings currently in my possession nor is there any chance that there will be so He said, there are however, no such paintings currently in my possession, nor is there any chance that there will be. So yeah, that's, that's fucking wild. He's, he's still in prison. I would say not dead yet. I don't think still in prison hasn't been killed and Brogan's there. He appealed based on the fact that the governor's son was the judge and he should have recused

himself and it didn't work out for him. So he's pretty fucked. It's tough stuff. I don't think he's getting off No, I think you're gonna have to do the time they got him pretty He's one of those guys that'll probably drop dead in there before he's fucking executed but Brogan. He's got a long boy Oh boy, that's a I'm okay to parole that guy in 30 years Yeah, yeah, I feel bad for him. I feel bad for him, but if he gets out, I don't think he's gonna do shit.

I think he's gonna go get a job and shut the fuck up and do his job. So I think that's all he's wanted is stability. Yeah, unfortunately the stability he had was just about helping a murderer. That's it. So there you go everybody, Caldwell, Ohio, a complete mess.

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