Small Town Murder - #550 - Kinky Killer Couple - Dover, New Hampshire

Episode Date: December 7, 2024

This week, in Dover, New Hampshire, a happy, thriving college girl vanishes, but leaves behind just enough of a trail to give detectives a clue of who she was with. Turns out, she was lured to a friend's house, with that friend having the idea to get her into a threesome, with some freaky caveats. When this friend finally reveals the truth, it's a horrifying murder tale, that ends up being more terrible than anyone could've imagined!!Along the way, we find out that The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are from New Hampshire, that some people enjoy being choked & some definitely don't, and that just because you get rid of a body, it doesn't mean it's "no body no crime"!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's all take a deep breath, arms to the sky, and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Here we go. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's do it. We should. We're going to New Hampshire. Very nice place. I know Jimmy's a big, big fan of New Hampshire.

Big fan. I like New Hampshire. Love the Northeast, New I know Jimmy's a big, big fan of New Hampshire. Big fan. Yeah. Good boy. I like New Hampshire. Love the Northeast, New England states, Maine, all that good stuff here. This is in Southeastern New Hampshire, practically Maine. Almost Maine. It's in Dover, New Hampshire. There we're going here. It's about an hour and 20 to Boston from there. So it's still considered a commutable place. Certainly commutable. Absolutely. Yeah. People live here. They work in Boston, a commutable place. Yeah people people live here They work in Boston a lot of them about an hour and fifty to Jackson

New Hampshire, which is our last New Hampshire episode episode 498 the mysterious disappearing murderer That was a fun one and then population of this town is thirty two thousand five hundred ninety nine So not that big not that small just kind of your average small town here median household income slightly above the average 82,387 and I think you're gonna get that from your Boston work there probably gonna drive it up a bit It's 69 thousands regular and it's average median home price here 416,800 dollars pricey. Wow,. It's because it's commutable to Boston. And close to all the beaches. Yup, you can draw about an hour 45 minute circle around New York, Boston, Philly and you can see where it's expensive and right outside that circle shit is half the price

of that. So, I don't know how it works. The motto here is grow with us. May as well. Come on along with us everybody let's grow. History. Your waistline because the food is terrific. Oh it's good tons of seafood up there. This is oyster central and clams and all that good stuff. I love it. History of this town. It was a mill town for years and years and years. Everybody worked at the mills, like a lot of northeastern cities. They made textiles up here. There was the Dover Cotton Factory, which started in 1815. And-

That's fascinating. They would get cotton from somewhere else, right? They don't grow cotton there. Yeah, they would come up from down south and they'd make it and ship it out from there. Turn it into yarn and ship. And then ship it out to Europe from there, because you're by the ports.

That's why they did it up here because it was in the ports because Baltimore had a lot of that. All the port cities did that shit. It was renamed in 1827 the Cochaco Manufacturing Company because the other one wasn't so successful. The next year it was the site of the first women's strike in the United States. They said we're not fucking anybody. No, they didn't do that. No, they did the strike of the mill girls it was called.

December 30th, 1828 where about half of the 800 women employed at the mill walked out over lower wages and longer hours that the new owners had implemented. Tired of this shit. Tired of this shit. Don't know how that worked out, but I'm not sure. Dover became incorporated in 1855, huge national producer of textiles, and it was going real well until the Depression happened. And then it didn't go so well, and the textile mills started all moving down south for cheaper

production costs and everything like that. Cheaper lot of things. Eventually went out of business. A little fun fact here, Dover, New Hampshire is the birthplace of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles if you know. What? The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle backstory. Is that right?

Absolutely. Reviews of this town, here we go. Five stars. I love Dover because it's a quaint New England town with Victorian style homes and great pizza. That's true. That's true. Northeast also good. Is that New Haven style up there? Are they doing that? Probably, yeah. With the char? Okay, I'm into it. I'm into it. It's a great area to raise your kids with several excellent schools surrounding the area. Dover is fantastic for exploring outside as there are several great fishing and canoeing

sites. Yeah. Yeah. Portsmouth is only 15 minutes away if you're craving more city life. Really? Is it the big city of Portsmouth? Portsmouth is pretty booming, but it's not a city. It's a city life.

That's what I mean. Like, that's a little bit... It's a very quaint boutique town. It's by the water, it's there to take your money. It's all it is. Yeah. So you go there, you spend 30% more on dinner than it's worth, you buy some knick-knacks

and you fuck off, that's how it works. Buy yourself a fucking hammock and go home. That's it. I've lived in Dover for most of my life and it's truly a one-of-a-kind town with a charm of its own. Here's four stars. It's where I was raised. I try to escape it but I always come back home. The people here aren't nice but deep down you know they love you.

It's got a hold on me. This is a description of an- They treat me like shit but that's because they love me. They just described an abusive relationship. I've been with this person a long time, I try to escape but I always come back. This person is not nice to me, but deep down I know they love me. That's exactly what you'd say, no get out of that relationship. That's terrible.

Yeah, that's called a cycle. That's terrible. Yeah, this is what they have going on with a town. That's fucking wild. Here is three stars. This is very short. They need to stop building brand new houses where people don't want them. Well, where do you, this person clearly wants them somewhere else. Yeah.

I don't know where I don't want them. Take away people. That's when they ask you, if you want to know what someone thinks about something, don't ask them, what do you think? Cause then they might hedge. You ask, what do you think people think about this? And then they'll tell you what they think. That's what that is. People don't want these houses. Who's people? People want them other places.

Me and my wife don't want those houses there. And then finally, one star, this is pretty honest, absolutely a hellhole is the first line. Okay. All right. That's setting it off. It's the drugs, isn't it? Setting it off. The state is beautiful. The people are not. Okay. All right. That's setting it off. It's the drugs, isn't it? Set it off. The state is beautiful. The people are not. Yeah. Yeah. They will scowl at you or they were, they will scorn at

you and scowl. I don't know. They'll scorn and scowl at you. I didn't know you could do that. They're not afraid to treat you badly for being a quote outsider. Even the police here will treat you bad. When you call them out on their behavior, they will gaslight you. What does that even mean? What has happened? What are you talking about? Tell us exactly what when you got pulled over, what the fucking problem was. Tell us the situation. This is like a vague Facebook post here. This is ridiculous. The worst city I've ever lived.

This is like the Twilight Zone Zone run with three exclamation points I don't believe that person. I think they're exaggerate the truth is somewhere in the middle I believe they're things to do the Cochaco or Cochacho or however the fuck you say it arts festival The festival began in the summer of 1987 They said that the Chamber of Commerce had accepted the challenge of matching an anonymous donation to produce a summer concert series, and the summer-long festival showcases regionally recognized acts as well as top seacoast entertainers. In other words, fucking cover songs. And when they play originals, you go to the porta potty.

That's what's going on here. Covers played by people you don't know. You've never heard of. It's free to attend and open to the public also. That's always where the best bands play, where it's free to see them. The series here, the headliners from this series are the Rebel Collective. That's one band. Tower Hill.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Toby McAllister and the Sierra Sounds. It's like someone'll. That's a place country. As they say, someone'll confuse me for some other country artist, right? Toby McAllister, I think I've heard of him, right?

Those are familiar names. Sierra Sounds, I've heard of that. Sierra, that sounds like the Sierra Nevadas. That's a western, dusty. August 2nd, Maddy and the Penders. No. Don't know. It's just some Irish guy, hey Maddy!

He's like, hey I brought the pendas with me. I'll bet it's a gal. It's probably a gal. Then after that, Lexi, James and Wild Heart, which sound like they play nothing but lead afford covers. Or very country shit. And then August 16th, finally the Old Hat String Band. That sounds like a country band too. I watched that. I'm watching, listening to that one. They know a lot of Alabama. They know, oh my, it's all Alabama. We're going to play

a chunk of Skinnerd now is what we're going to do and then follow it up with some 38 special. Let's go everybody. One, two, three two three four and they're fucking going oh god we're gonna play give me three steps 12 straight times is what we play 36 it's 36 steps 36 steps mister so um let's talk about a murder what do you say here i think it's time yeah let's do it's the time to do this um Let's go back to 2012. Here we go. Let's talk about a young lady first. She is 19 years old in 2012.

So 2012, not too far back, everything's exactly the same pretty much. Right. And she is so young. Yeah, 19, yeah, 19 and then very young. She is known for being kind of a real upbeat young lady here. Vivacious, people call her a lot. Hangs out with her friends a lot.

Yeah, she's not at 19. That's what you do. That's all you do. Very much into what her dad calls little critters all the time and her mom. Like out, like woodland? Yes, little animals, frogs, turtles, shit like that. More into the things in the water, water type animals.

Really, salamanders and shit? Yeah, like turtles and that kind of shit. Frogs, turtles, like maybe a salamander or two, I don't know what she's into. If it's wet, she likes it. Her mom said about when she was little, you know, you'd see her and she'd have a tortoise in her hand or a little turtle and you know,

she'd be putting it back on the brook side of our road. So, you know, helping the turtles who crossed the road get back to the brook there. She said, she and I used to do the silliest things together, just no rhyme or reason. That's what her dad said. She's very popular when she grows up, very, she's outgoing. She's the prom queen for Christ's sake. Is that right? Absolutely. The prom queen with a turtle in her hand So unbelievable a sweet kid basically is what she is

October of 2012 she's 19 and had just entered the University of New Hampshire as a sophomore But I think she went somewhere else for her freshman year because she's new to the University of New Hampshire Some pre-reqs out of the way elsewhere. Yeah, do that, I guess. Or I guess maybe the last semester she went, something like that. Her uncle said it's a wonderful marine biology program, and that's what she was going for. Is that right?

Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's one of those things that little kids say they want to be, but then they don't become that. You know what I mean? But she actually was going to do that. Yeah, it's romantic, the idea of it. And then you grow up and you go, well, that's not very practical. I got to live on land.

That's going to be tough. I don't really want to live on a boat. But yeah, if you ask a nine-year-old girl, what do you want to do? Half of them say marine biologist or a vet or vets, too. Animals. When you're a little kid, you want to work with animals. Then you grow up and you're like, too many animals. So she said that's where she really wanted to go, her uncle said too.

Her father said she always loved critters and how a ninth grade trip and a week long marine biology camp really got her into it even more. Is that right? And made her focused. And she kept her focus all through high school and then wanted to do that.

They said, her dad said, this led to Lizzie to UNH, University of New Hampshire. She wanted to go there so bad and it was so very happy. She was so very happy when she started classes here. So while she's doing that, she's living with her aunt and uncle who live close to the university. Her mom and dad live in Massachusetts. It's a longer drive, so her uncle and aunt live within a half hour of the university. Nice. Nice driving range there. The uncle said, one of my favorite things was when she'd come

back she'd scream, I'm home, and it really made us feel comfortable that she really felt like our home was also her home. Oh, look at that. That's nice. Nice family, nice girl. Isn't a nice one? Just like a little phrase like that makes the fucking world different. That is nice.

Cause most people are shitty and they'd be like, oh fuck, then we got this, she's home, great. You know what I mean? That would be the most reactions, including mine probably, you know what I mean? Fuck, she's back. Fuck, Jesus Christ. This person who we didn't fucking,

who didn't come from our loins is home. Yeah, perfect We didn't make this person. Yeah, I didn't do this made it back by accident or on purpose. I didn't make this person so October 9th, it's a Tuesday 2012 it's just over a month into her first semester Here as a sophomore and she planned to attend a Tuesday night lab class that would end at 9 p.m So she was that was her plan. She was gonna go from her aunt and uncle's over to the class and do that at 855 p.m. She sent a text message to a friend of hers saying she was going to visit a new friend

a co-worker at a department store near campus She works. She got a job at Target by the way. Yeah, so and a coworker at a department store near campus. She got a job at Target, by the way. So she said that she was going to a friend's house and she told her aunt and uncle she'd be home no later than 12 or 12.30. And her uncle said, and that's the last thing we heard from her. Well, that's a late night.

Be home at 12.30. Then Wednesday morning, she's still not home. Oh, no. So the uncle said, it kind of made me nervous. But at the same time, she's 19 years old. She's a college student. She's going to hang out with friends. Who knows if she had a couple of beers and didn't want to drive and fell asleep.

I mean, that would be responsible, actually. And you'd be OK with that. And he said, too, I said, well, you know, teenage girl, she probably stayed late. you know, man, can I just crash at your house and that's probably what happened? It's fine It's a long ride home. So they wait all Wednesday, but they don't hear from Lizzie. They don't hear from her She doesn't come home nothing. So then Thursday morning her aunt said look outside still no car. What the fuck? So now it's two nights and that's not right right She said oh my god, Lizzie's not here and then it was like sheer panic. The uncle said now we knew something was really wrong So yeah at that point they get a call from Lizzie's dad Yeah, he says hey, it's Bob

Have you heard from Lizzie and they said no we were just about to call you because we haven't heard from Lizzie and he said I you know what's going on? And they were like, holy shit, we got to figure this out. And the uncle said, that's when your heart goes in your throat. And the dad, Bob Marriott said, what you do, what do you do when your child's missing? I didn't have a checklist that told me what to do. It's not like it's at the mall. You know what I mean?

If you lose your kid at the mall back, you'd go to the security office first. Then you look around. There's no like, what do you do here? It's still sheer panic. Absolutely. You can't find the one thing that you're, yeah. This is worse. Yeah.

So I mean, in the mall, at least, you know, unless somebody kidnapped the kid, they're probably within the building still. You know what I mean? There's plenty of entertaining shit for them to do here. So. And lots for, yeah, to be distracted by. Exactly.

So probably, but I mean, when it's it's a 19 year old and they're out there She could be anywhere on earth. It's just a car could be anywhere two days worth of head start, you know So yeah, 48 hours head start is a long time Yeah, it's but it's not like you know, they've Lizzie's not a runaway type or she has no pressures that she's trying to get away from You know, she's a happy kid. So they don't understand it they called the police immediately to report her missing and the dad said, we worked the phones for, I don't know, two hours maybe. And finally, I just couldn't take it anymore and jumped in the car and drove.

He said, it's like, let's call the FBI. Let's call the state police. I'm driving and she's calling the cell phone to call and she's using the cell phone to call anyone we can think of. Anybody. Have you heard from Lizzie? Have you heard from Lizzie? And then they realized they didn't know because they're trying to trace it back. When's the last time you heard from her?

And they said, well, she said she was going to visit a new friend. And they said, do you know who that is? And nobody knew who that was. Wow. So that is really hard. So then they ask around a little bit, though, and talk to her friends. And they find out who she was supposed to be hanging out with that night And that was another 19 year old girl named cat mcdonough So that was who she was supposed to be hanging out that night A mutual friend of theirs who worked at target with them a guy named nate mcneil

Because both cat lizzie and nate all worked at target Right, so he knows both of them and he, I knew Lizzie and Kat had met. I didn't know if they were anything more than work acquaintances at the time. You know, he said, I just, you know, I knew they had met and whatever, maybe stock some shelves together or something. But he said Lizzie was always happy

and she always found the best in everyone. She had such an aura about her. You know, people wanted to talk to her. So it was normal for her to make new friends to this Totally normal for her to be like going to hang out with new people tonight. I'm going to a party I mean that was just she was very social and everybody liked her. So then before they can really Locate cat and figure out what's going on and talk to her. They find something they don't like they find Lizzie's car. Oh

and it's a 2001 Mazda tribute which I don't even remember that fucking model that's how long that lasted I'm sure it's a very small I believe that's the small SUV that's like like a Ford escape I think so I've never I'm looking this up right now I gotta see what the hell 2001, this has nothing to do with the story. I got it coming up right now. I gotta find out though Mazda 2000. Yeah, it's the smallest SUV. What a piece of shit, huh?

Yeah. I never, I couldn't have lasted long. Well, I mean, yeah, it's like a Ford Escape. It's not a great car, but they made them all the way to 2011 it looks like. Wow, they were so successful they left such a stamp on society that I didn't remember it existed. I don't even remember commercials for them or anything. Nothing.

It was like a Honda Passport. It was a tiny little shit SUV. That's where they find her car. It's on the University of New Hampshire campus. That's where they find it. Okay, so that's interesting. So they're like, okay, did she not drive from here? Because she was here is the last time anybody knew where she was. Definitely in for sure. So

they're like, did she get in a car with somebody else and leave? Did this? You know, did they she meet people here? Who the hell knows? So they secure the car for evidence. They say there's no threat at the campus. Everybody don't freak out. Even though they don't know if she was disappeared from the campus parking lot or not. They have no clue. Yeah. But she was supposed to be with her friend that she met at Target, but she left her car

at campus. It doesn't make sense. So Kat McDonough, we got to find out about her a little bit. She is a former honor student who dropped out of high school in February of this year. Oh, so it was her senior year and she dropped out. So she went from honor student to drop out in like a year, basically. Wow. Junior year, honor student, senior year dropout.

What happened? Her parents were like, God damn it. What the fuck? I thought it was all going great. So much money we wasted. No shit. So Nate, the guy from Target, when he found out about Lizzie, he reached out to Kat, because he knew they, you know, at least were friends.

And he said, at that point, I actually texted Kat because I knew that they had plans Tuesday night. And I asked, hey, did Lizzie ever come over to your house? No one seems to know where she is. And Kat texted back, no, I didn't see her. She never came over. So now we got a real mystery here. Right.

She didn't make it to Kat's but she left her car at campus. And Nate believes Kat because she's just not a Target friend. She's known him for years and years and years. He said she was my sister's friend from kindergarten. So I mean this is like an old old friend. So they're starting to piece together This at the time they they find they're looking into cat a little bit and they find out cat is living with her boyfriend Seth Mazeglia

Mazaglia here. He is 29 years old. It's a little older than the rest of the crew here and Yeah, they said one of the friends said Kat was a fairly known person in the community and she seemed to be a normal teenager. Apparently, Seth and Seth and Kat met in the summer of 2011, the year before, which is right when her academics went in the shitter, through the local theater scene. They're both trying out and doing like community theater and shit like that like small plays and One of her friends said when I met her she was very young. She was 17 and she was a sweet girl now according to Seth's website SM mziglia.com

He's an experienced actor writer and for fight choreographer who's worked both professionally and non-professionally In the theaters that's important to put on there in the theaters of southern New Hampshire for many years The site states that he recently finished performing as Captain Keller in the garrison players deeply moving production of the miracle worker Quote-unquote Helen Keller shit. I wonder if he played Helen the website Worked professionally and and obviously if you've worked for fashion other words we assume that you've done some amateur shit Well, in other words, you can pay me or not is what that says. Yeah. Yeah In the theater world, that's what that says I've worked for money so I'm good enough to get paid but I'll work for free

That's it. That's like the translation of that if you've ever Like put a movie together or something. You're looking for crew people. It's the type of shit you look for for free. That's like the translation of that. If you've ever put a movie together or something, you're looking for crew people. It's the type of shit you look for for free. So it also says that he's been spending his time writing, auditioning, and contemplating his next projects. Contemplate. Do I do that one with Scorsese or do I do the comic book movie? I don't know what to do. Projects which he hopes will bring him closer to his goal of working in film quote unquote Yeah So according to his theater credits he appeared in 2008 production of Beauty and the Beast at the Prescott Park Arts Festival

the 2006 production of the elephant man at the West End Studio 2004's you can't take it with you at the Seacoast Repertory Theatre, and 2000's Romeo and Juliet at the... Romeo and Juliet 2000, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Romeo and Juliet with pagers, that would be. Yeah. Did you know that after World War II, the US government quietly brought former Nazi scientists to America in a covert operation to advance military technology? Or that in the 1950s the US Army conducted a secret experiment by releasing bacteria

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Talking about- Let's put a dirt stone in there a while. What do you say? Talking about which color Apple laptop, or desktop they have. Which iMac are they using? I got the purple one. I got the blue one. The site lists him as 5'9", 200 pounds and states he's also a martial arts instructor along with having taught a form of martial arts in 2004 at both York Middle School and

Newfield Elementary School. 5'9", 200, muscular or portly? at both York Middle School and Newfields Elementary School. Five, nine, two, hundred. Muscular or portly? He's just kind of a little fire pluggy guy. But he's young though, so it's like, you know, he's not. Yeah. You know, when you're younger, your body just kind of stays like a thumb,

but then as you get older, like, parts start sticking out. Then you get the belly. Yeah, so I think that's, you didn't get to that part yet. Yeah, because I'm not quite 200, and I look in the mirror and go, what the fuck, man? Oh my god. Well, here I found an audition of his. There's an audition of him auditioning for a play here. And I'm going to play just a little.

Oh yeah, he is just very, he looks like fucking Francis from Pee Wee Herman. He's a very average looking guy. Yeah. Here he is, it's hard to hear I guess. It's echoey. Yeah, it's in like a... Okay. He's a... Come bound, I'm sword and wound! Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I.

Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I. Thus die I. Every stooge is like fell and got a laugh. And the people watching laughed, which means like you didn't get the part. Well, maybe it's a comedy. We don't know. It better be. It better be because otherwise you just got to laugh in your death scene, which isn't good.

That's not great. You're not looking for laughs in the death scene. I don't think that's what Shakespeare was after. Ha. And then he dies and then everyone cracks up. Ha ha. I'm a master of both comedy and drama And then here's a cat dramedy master, which cats is crazy

Okay, is he dressed? Oh, what is this? That's cat Macdonald? Oh Oh, she gets her shit She forgets look Look at her. That's her forgetting. She forgot. OK. Listen to her. Her singing is really irritating. Here it comes.

I'm gonna grow. I'm gonna grow. Okay, that's good. Alright. I had to show you that because I almost fell off the couch when I played that. I am a crow. I was like, Oh God, Jesus Christ. What is she singing?

Is that Peter Pan? Some horse shit show tune. I don't fucking know. It looks terrible. I think they're trying. Yeah. It's like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. She did like chicken arms when she did it.

She like looked up in the sky. She really acted it out real cheesy. I don't know, they didn't laugh at that, but they laughed at dude's fall. They laughed at his death. Holy shit. So according to his website also, he's a 2001 graduate of the Berwick Academy,

2006 graduate of University of New Hampshire, and the university confirms that he did graduate there in 2006 He's not lying about that. Yeah, the one guy who directed cat Offered cat a part in a play was directing in the fall of 2011 said I saw a young girl who was very Interested in partaking in the production who was reliable and helpful which in director language means who is reliable and helpful, which in director language means not that talented, but she'd work for free, show up on time and like set shit up and do what I asked basically. She really wants to be involved. She's attractive enough.

She's a go-getter. She's just untalented. She's just as we could hear from her. She's not real talented. So this director said that McDonough changed a lot after she started dating Seth. So she went from an honor student who was one way to a dropout who was another way. They appeared together in the play Last Rites in July 2011, and that's kind of how they got together.

And eventually they moved in together, and by the time of Lizzie's disappearance in October 2012 They were living together sharing an apartment in Dover Now here's what they're into by the way and also what when she got together with Kat She basically cut off all contact with her family or when she got together with Seth She cut off all contact with her family dropped out of school Is it not gonna be with this guy? No, it's not meth. It is Is it math? I'm gonna be with this guy. It's got to be math.

No, it's not math. It is fucking freaky sex that they are into together. Real? It is BDSM fucking ropes and bondage and shit like that. Really? Yeah. Apparently, the one friend is the guy from Target. She couldn't get enough getting choked and fucked her grades off for it?

Fucked her grades off and her family and everybody else. That's how much she enjoys being tied up and fucked. Wow! Or tying up other people and fucking whatever the case may be. Whichever way. Whichever way. She likes tying to be a thing. The guy from Target said, we thought it was very sudden and we all knew that her parents

didn't really approve of it when she moved in with this guy. Seth was working at a local electronics store and was a trained EMT but not working as one. Now they said that when you come across his name on the internet at the time, it's all on sex and bondage sites all over the place. Yeah, that's where you find him. They said they learned also Kat was involved. She posted pictures of herself online using screen names such as Vampire it actress Vampire it I read vampire it actress and miss scarlet Okay, and they said she had obviously

Developed this fetish that we learned about that had to do with ropes and bondage and submissiveness Is the police start looking into these people and they're like, holy fuck, this is what we're finding? So he, by the way, his other aliases online are Dark Kaiser, enigmatic. No. Dark Kaiser. Dark Kaiser. Is the Kaiser dark enough?

That's what I mean, what are we doing? Enigmatic Shadows, that's a name, which sounds like a really pretentious fucking high school band. We're Enigmatic Shadows, and then they play fucking emo. And Rogue Temptress, even though he's a guy. Temptress? Temptress.

They also found some text messages here between Kat and Seth about, this gives you a good insight into their life. Okay. This is her to him. A cat to Seth to my love. I want you to attack me. I need to be dominated.

I have clothing you can tear off me even cut off me. And then they there's a couple redactions because they're people. How about getting something then when you ready, that's redacted. Then it gets to go and then that's redacted. Okay. Then she says, I'm aroused and I want to be hit and thrown down. I really want to be tied up. Tight.

I will be your submissive. Oh, and I know you get jealous when I call Cyrus certain names during our fun. He goes by Cyrus sometimes also, Seth. I can call you anything you want if we can have fun. Leave bruises, she says. And then love the willing. That's how she signs off. Because you can't rape them, yeah. Then he says back, to the willing, to thee my willing, I will dominate you, brutally, without mercy, leaving my marks upon you.

You will be known as mine by the way I tie you, bind you. Others will watch as I command your submission, and as you fall pray to my whims. I am your lord, you, are my toy I will use you until your exhaustion and then command still more your love signed your love That sounds like shit BTK wrote about people it really does like I've read so much shit That's exactly what he was out like feels like shit. He would write and then hide it in a log That's exactly what he was out like feels like shit. He would write and then hide it in a log Heidi hole as he'd call it in his fucking in his shed his parents and nobody sees it He can read it and jerk off later But nobody else get that with a little drawing of a fucking tied up woman that he made

Also, this guy clicks send his I message perfect I mean to in his response was actually correct to what the fuck she said. Yeah, that's so crazy. Anything less, it would seem like she's more into it than he is. You know what I mean? What are you going to say? Yeah, sounds good. I mean, that's...

C at eight. She's like, well, fuck, that's no fun. You know, you're trying to keep up. I don't fucking know who's the leader and who's the follower here. I'm in C at eight. Yeah. All right. I don't fucking know who's the leader and who's the follower here. So I'm in C at eight. All right. So they're also they've posted on fetish websites looking to bring a third into their relationship. She dropped out of school for this. This is fucking crazy.

This is an actual ad that they posted and I'll read the whole thing and it's fucking lengthy. Dom slash switch couple looking for female slave slash sub in Dover, New Hampshire. Okay, this is personal ads to another level here. Yeah, my lord and I are looking to acquire a live in slave. That's hard. She wrote this. Yeah. Well, it's I guess it's less creepy if the woman is doing it. Yeah, that that indicates more safety almost yeah right you know I guess for sexual pleasure and housework looking for a bang made looking for a bang made is what they're looking for what the fuck he is the fuck us and bring a shark holy shit fuck us and bring 409 don't Oh shit. No shit. Holy shit. Fuck us and bring 409.

Don't forget the Mrs. Meyer. Jesus Christ. He is the Dom of the house and the master. He's also 30 years old. I am a nymphomaniac switch and I switch from slave sub Dom. So you may never know what mood I'm in. Oh, that sounds terrifying. That's fun.

This is how our household works. We also have a cat. Ha ha! Ah! Ha ha! A little bit about us. Important shit first. By the way, we also have a cat.

It feels like they had that ad up and got a girl over, and she walked in and was like, oh, I'm allergic. Yeah. But this ad isn't over. girl over and she walked in and was like, oh, I'm allergic. Yeah. But this ad isn't over. They just stuck it somewhere in the middle. We also have a cat. Anyway, moving on.

Anyway, our slave would be expected to keep the apartment in order, do the dishes, laundry and some of the cooking. Well, you have to be a good cook and a weird and a freaky fuck. That's a lot to ask of a stranger. You have to be a good cook and a freaky fuck. Also to be available for some form of sex at potentially any given time. We wouldn't expect you to have a job outside the house. What happens in your free time will be approved by the master. We plan to meet up with any potentials in person if interested to discuss the household

further and see if you have any specific requests. Then we would invite you in for about a month for a trial period to see how it works and if by the end of that month we decide to part ways, so be it. If on the other hand you are to stay, we can adjust what needs adjusting and go on with the agreement. This can be for a little while or long term be aware that we choose our long-term companions very carefully They there she's 19. She's not having any long-term anything Unlike

Unlike many men and women who are willing to dive right into things on all levels Even though we are physically intimate right away. We will take our time to circle you mentally and emotionally Even though we are physically intimate right away, we will take our time to circle you mentally and emotionally We want to know who you are what you are how you respond under different pressures. That's terrifying We want to be sure of your interests and hopes and goals in life We will we also need to know your business plan for the future It's a weird interview question for this life, particularly. We will want to know you and be sure of you beyond a doubt in our minds.

If you're interested at all, please contact us as we'd love to chat and discuss the possibilities. Also bring cat toys. That doesn't sound like it should. Bring cat and F. Here is another text message from Seth's phone to Kat's phone on August 25th, 2012. So about a month and a half before this all happens. And it says this quote, the second price is this you choose a friend, any of yours will do and you offer her to me that I may do.

And then with asterisks around it, anything I wish with her while you watch and assist in any way I might command you to do so. Ideally, this friend watches your punishment and helps, but I'll settle for someone who I interact with directly while you watch." In other words, I'll fuck her and you watch, but otherwise. Yeah, obviously. I think it would be fitting if the first thing you saw me do when you got back is to pleasure one of your friends until they died of something. You can fill the blank because it's redacted. I don't know.

He wrote that or Catten wrote that? He wrote this to her. Okay, yeah. And then, and only then turned my brutal attention to you. Jesus. Now, the cops don't find Lizzie on any of these websites. She doesn't have profiles, so she wouldn't have like answered them on there or anything like that. So they they're like she knows her from Target, which is way different than fetish websites. That's that's fucked up. Yeah, so But three days after she's disappeared though the everybody's convinced that it's Seth and cat have something to do with this shit

So police bring them in for questioning at the same time put them in different rooms, obviously and they talked to him and Cat here there is a friend of hers named Roberta Gherkin who they also chat with because they find a text to her on cats Phone so they get some information first and then they go in they say she got a straight She said she got a strange call from cat around 1049 p.m. The evening in question Right. She said something was going on, they wanted my assistance and they wanted me to come over there. So her and her boyfriend Paul Hickok arrived, like Wild Bill, arrived at Seth and Kat's apartment a little after 11. This Roberta Gerken says, as I'm walking in there, there's a body on the floor. There's a body on the floor right next to the bed.

So Hickok, the boyfriend, said that all he kept repeating, meaning Seth, all he kept repeating was, quote, he's gone too far this time. He's gone too far, he told the court later. He said Seth was sitting there on the bed basically where her head was and Kat was against the kitchen cabinets almost in a fetal position. That's what they walked into. Be like, oh, all right, good to see you guys. See you later.

There's a body. I got to go. Drop the six pack off on the counter. I don't know. There you go. It's for you guys. Yeah. Enjoy.

They described their, this is, they said that, yeah, she's, I guess they were talking about Seth sitting right there saying, I went too far. I went too far. Or as as cats rocking back and forth in the fetal position in the kitchen not wanting to get involved the two that came over they just fucking left and didn't call 9-1-1 or any they said you should call an ambulance and left no part of this I mean I Vegas card dealer doing but all 9-1-1 yeah someone went someone went too far. This isn't gonna be on me I'm not going to prison for this. I just got here. I'm standing too far by coming over here

I'm standing here with a fucking six or a ultra right now. Like this is bullshit. I Want to go home? So the police they when they talked to cat they They she says at first, Lizzie never showed up. Never showed up. And then about two hours into the interview, she just stopped talking.

She just wouldn't give anything anymore. She just sat there. And so they finally said that you're free to go, and she said, no, I'm gonna wait for Seth to be done. The problem is, Seth is in there for 11 hours. Oh, he's talking. Yeah. Well, at first, he says that Lizzie never made it to their place, and he'd gone out

for a run, but he twisted his ankle, so he was slow getting back to the house. She never came back. Okay. I've seen you, sir. You're not running anywhere. You're not running anywhere. Five fucking, five nine two hundred. Five nine two hundred?

Yeah. Where were you running, fucking McDonald's? Where were you running? Fucking Wendy's? Where were you running off to? Was the Hot Pocket done in the microwave? Why were you running? And also Kat had told police that she went that night, she has an alibi, she said,

I went to a nearby cemetery trying to take pictures of ghosts with my digital camera. I was ghost hunting. He's going for a jog at night. You know how people do. They had a busy night. It's the same day though. They keep talking to Seth and he's talking about bondage and sadomasochism and all that

kind of shit. His name is S.D.S.M. too? S.M. Yeah, absolutely. Whoa. So he said that he then talks about Kat and another couple maybe harming Lizzie. Now he's putting it on them. He said that when I arrived home with my sore ankle, Lizzie was at the house, I lied. She was there, but I didn't know what happened.

But when I got there, she had a ligature mark around her neck. And he said that some other guy must have done something really terrible and then he wouldn't like say anything more about it. So they keep pecking away at him and eventually he goes, okay, fine, there was sex and something went wrong. That's what happened. He says that neither of us tried to revive Lizzie or summon help They said well when it went he said basically they were in the middle of sex and we'll give more details and she had a seizure

When they were doing something when they were doing some bondage thing. She had a seizure and then she just stopped breathing He said so they said so did you try to help her? Give her CPR or something like that. He said no we put a plastic grocery bag over her head and tied it around her neck. Which is what you do when someone has a seizure at your house. You just go, well, that's it for that. And you fucking tie them up. I'd heard about this foam and I didn't want it to get all over my apartment. Tie it up like they're a fucking bag of cat litter scoopings.

Like what's going on? Tied her head like my dog just shit on the sidewalk. Why would you do that? Unbelievable. Un-fucking-believable. So Seth said yeah, all this type of shit. They said was cat involved? Where's the body?

That's another thing. Where'd you put the body? Seth said after Lizzie died, he panicked and brought the body to Pierce Island Which is where the river meets the Atlantic Ocean. He said my god he and cat used Lizzie's 2001 Mazda to take her to Pierce Island in Portsmouth where they threw her and her cell phone into the river God damn it her torso remained above the water he said though for a while then he said he made cat go into the Go into the water in the pusher off to get her off the rocks

And she'll describe that and then he made a joke to them about Davy Jones's locker He's making Pirates of the Caribbean references. What are you fucking doing dude? Oh? My god. This is a cold motherfucker. Cold as ice. Sick and cold, he said. Then they drove the- He's so cold he doesn't even realize he's cold.

No. This is all normal to him. He's just been acting like a psycho for so long he doesn't know how to be normal anymore. Then they drove to her car to the University of New Hampshire, left it in a student lot, discarded her belongings and trash bins, and that was that. Does he know that he just gave them everything they needed? He's in a lot of trouble? That is fucked up. They, by the way, she goes on a little more that Gerken lady, Roberta Gerken, she said that when she got there she actually also did take the bag off of Lizzie's face. She used a box cutter to cut the bag and she said that her face was totally blue when she did that.

You mean dead? Dead. You mean dummy? And then she also said, I also heard them, heard Cat and Seth, something else I didn't tell you at first, Cat and Seth, I heard them talking about quote, dumping the body, which is also a dead giveaway. So they look in a dumpster behind Seth and Cat's apartment and they find men's underwear, a pair of black gloves and Lizzie's sweatshirt in there. Evidence.

They start searching everywhere, no trace of Lizzie though. They can't find her anywhere. Obviously her body is not to be found right now. They told the parents and the dad says they brought us into the station and we went off into a separate room and were given the news that Lizzie was dead. You're kind of numb after you hear those words. Yeah, and the mother said she was just out there someplace. They just threw her away in the ocean. Yeah, so they talked to one of Seth's exes Seth's ex Seth ex Okay, this woman named her name her name is Katherine

She dated Seth when he was in high school and when when she was in high school and he was in college in upstate New York, he likes the young young girls. Yeah, cuz then they don't have He's yeah, they want to well, no, he also wants because then they don't have, he wants to- Yeah, they look up to him. Well, no, he also wants to set, they don't have a thing yet. He's gonna set and try to cement in early with their thing as they're, the cement's still wet, I think, sexually is what he figures. So he can get them into weird shit if they're not already into it.

So she said that it was inevitable that Seth was going to kill, and Lizzie Marriott was the perfect victim for her for him They said that she's asked in an interview Do you think that maybe it was a sexual encounter that went awry and it got too rough and she said no This was murder. It's murder is what she said. He wanted that. Yeah, that's she said I wish that she hadn't been there. But if it wasn't Lizzie Marriott, it would have been somebody else He fantasized about murder a lot when I was with him.

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the point where I couldn't leave is what her life with him was. She said in 2002 they moved to New Hampshire where Catherine says Seth was always trying to bring other women into the bed. She said it was something that was just constant, there was always needing to have more than just me in the relationship. And they said, why didn't you leave? She said, where would I have gone? I was 600 miles away from home and afraid to leave because if I left he would kill me. He would hunt me down and he would kill me. She ended up eventually moving out and going into hiding, like dropping off the

face of the earth Wow So finally cat cracks when they go in there they go. She's got to he's telling us all sorts of shit in here And she said you sunk a body according to him a lot most of it to you So you want to talk here that guy and he's she's like whoa. I'm not the one with the dick here That's the guy who was horny for her. He then she then says, okay This is what happened Lizzie's death was an accident, but it happened in our house She said she was sitting and the two of us were just kind of goofing around Or Seth was sitting and the two of us were just kind of goofing around the two girls

I guess the night started the three of them watched a movie don't know which one and played cards and Then they played strip poker is what they did as we'll find out. She said that it went from silly to kind of sexual. It started getting a little bit more intense and she said that Lizzie agreed to be tied up with bondage ropes and even draws a diagram of a harness for them that they had. She said I'd tied a harness on myself before but it was the first time I'd ever tied a harness on someone else. So she even got down on the floor and demonstrated how she was positioned over Lizzie and was acting the whole thing out. Which was probably poorly acted as we've seen from her other... Yeah, not good. In the middle of it she put her head up and went...

and went, crock-a-doodle-doo! She fucking... Caw-caw, caw-caw! Oh my god. She said that the, uh, at that point, she said that Lizzie had a seizure and suffocated and died as she was lying on the floor. There. As she was lying under her on the floor. She said that they, in the video too, very detached, she seems real weird, Kat. Uh, she said it was too much to handle, I was freaking out. She says this while looking completely unemotional. Yeah, so then a little reaction here

from their friend Nate from Target. He said it was extreme and it didn't make sense. I couldn't see Lizzie just outright doing something like that, but you don't know how people fuck though. You don't have that idea. I mean, yeah, I've met a lot of girls that eventually like they're, wow, you do this. Didn't expect that. That's what I mean. Jesus. Put it where? Okay. He said, especially with

Kat and some guy, she only went over to a house once. And yeah, she said no. And also she said, Lizzie, at the other point of this was in a committed relationship she had a long-term girlfriend Lizzie like girls oh she had a long-term girlfriend Brittany and said that they were in a long-term committed relationship she he said they always talked about she always talked about all the fun things they would do and how much they really cared for each other and the Bob Lizzie's dad said, cats responsible cats involved in this, you know, why isn't she arrested? Because they arrest Seth right away, but they don't arrest

her, which is crazy. And they said, yeah, we've got him behind bars, but what about her? So it was two months before cats finally arrested. She's not arrested for murder, though. She's charged with three counts of hindering an investigation and ordered to have no further contact with Seth. The dad said she needs to rot in jail. That's what she needs. Yeah, she facilitated this. Yep, but they need Kat's testimony apparently and she's got a lot more to say. so they offer her a deal instead of a possible 21 year sentence she'd be getting for those three things really it could be life because she's in the room You could definitely charge her with murder. She if she testifies she'll get a maximum of three years One and a half to three years

So she took it obviously because if that's insane to not take that deal would not? Especially because she was probably sitting in jail for a while waiting. It's probably going to be almost time served by the end of it. Every day that we get closer to the trial is another day I don't have to serve. That's it. So, Seth's trial. Lizzie's dad before the trial said, when you have a kid, you spend a lot of time thinking, what can I do for them? And when a child is murdered, the number of things you can do really evaporates and supporting

her at trial was one of the last things I'll be able to do for her. The prosecution said, this is the opening, this is a case of deliberate rape, of deliberate, purposeful, cold-blooded murder. The defendant struck quick and he struck without any mercy whatsoever. This is his victim, 19-year-old Elizabeth Meredith. After his rape and murder, the defendant conspired with Catherine McDonough to falsify evidence of his crimes. Why is she only getting three years then?

She said the defendant ordered McDonough was to obey without question. They said the case is not romanticized, fictionalized, novel, some of you may read. This was an exercise of power and control. Basically they were trying to get out there, because this is when 50 Shades of Grey was big. So they were trying to fucking, this isn't 50 Shades, this isn't, oh they were having this hot time

that all you, that. Yeah, it wasn't some mutual thing, they tricked her. Yeah, that the seven women on the jury you've all fucking diddled yourself to. That's not what this is. No. This is different. So you've gotta put that. He said that Lizzie was attractive. She was what he had been looking for. The defendant and McDonough schemed about how

they could exploit her sexually. Letters shown in court, the prosecutors argue, point to the reason McDonough lied. They say that she's a liar, but she lied for a reason because they got to say that she is credible. Basically, they say she is his victim in the relationship where violence and abuse were masked under the guise of so-called kinky sex. And then they brought up the letter that said, I'll dominate you brutally without mercy. But that was really those two were really seemed mutually excited about that shit. And that was a lot targeted on her, not not somebody else. Yeah. The defense said that guy cat killed Lizzie in a sex game gone wrong.

That's what this was. Seth wasn't even involved in it. He was sitting there jerking off. Man said, ladies and gentlemen, Seth Mazziglia did not rape. He did not murder Liz Marriott. Cat McDonough caused her death. He said that hurt her testimony is a lie That's you're gonna hear Seth is nothing more than a lovesick accomplice and cat is really the aggressor He said that although cat caused Lizzy's death Seth

In fact was there as with his defense attorney said and so he did participate in the deeply flawed acts that followed to death You know dumping her in a fucking ocean They say that now cats only blame and set to save herself That's what happened here. They said yep They said test results by the way found that Lizzie and sets DNA were on the underwear not cats cats weren't on him, but so the defense says that the DNA doesn't prove anything though

because you know, they were all. It proves a lot. Exactly. They said the physical evidence shows what, sex? That's what he said. Yeah. Yeah, sex and then the person's dead and then in the ocean.

You have to assume it was against her will. A squared, B squared, C squared. That's rape and murder, my friend. That's rape and fucking murder here. So Kat testifies, this is the whole case, is Kat, basically. The prosecutor said, how often would the defendant be dominant and you be a slave or submissive?

She said, all the time. Daily? Yes, she says. Prosecutors are talking about, you know, this is what he does. He dominates he controls They said regardless of whether you'd be the defendant slave or submissive who always had the final say on matters. She said he did She they said she said this is just the beginning where I've been able to open up and actually explained and will explain what happened to Lizzie So they said who killed Elizabeth Marriott?

She said Seth. Points to him. Did Lizzie die accidentally during some form of sexual activity gone bad that you both that she agreed to? Kat says no. Okay, this is the big twist. Here we go, Kat. They said, who introduced the ropes into use in sexual activity?

And she said, um, he was the one who brought the ropes in They said did he and did he and you engage in domination master submissive? She says yes, then they read a bunch of text messages where you know Promising this and commands for him to find for her to find him a girl and all that kind of shit It's time. I punished you other one a text message reading, there's a bunch of details and at the end it said, it's time I punished you, you filthy little whore, was what he texted her. Now, he then reads from a second part of the text in which he says, you choose a friend,

any of yours will do, the one we read earlier. And yeah, so then they said, Ms Miss McDonough, did your efforts to locate another sexual partner for the defendant intensify when you received that text message? And she said, yes. She was given a directive here. Basically, they said it was that when you reached out to Lizzie Marriott and invited her over to the apartment and she said, yes. So texts from October 9th, which is when Lizzie disappeared, show that she arrives at the apartment at 8.51. They said, and then we all started talking about what we wanted to do.

They said they decided on a movie at Kat's suggestion, then at Kat's suggestion a game of strip poker. She said, we all sat down and began to play. The lights were very dim. We were just kind of laughing. I ended up not wearing anything. She ended up in just her underwear. And she said, that's when Seth made his move

to initiate sex. Oh boy. Seth suggested that I should kiss Lizzie. And she said she wasn't comfortable with that and that she was in a committed relationship, Cat said. So. Oh really? Yeah, she's like, no, I don't wanna do that. I'll play around, I'll be in my underwear,

but I'm not kissing anybody or fucking anybody basically. Yeah. So Kat says that Seth made another suggestion or asked a question. He asked her if he could have sex with me in the room, is what Kat said. Can we fuck in front of you? How's that?

Yeah, yeah. And she said no, she wasn't okay with that Okay, okay. So this is gonna be an awkward Monday at Target. Let me tell you something. Yeah She said that he looked she She could tell he started to look angry at this point She said he didn't like to be told no Seth would said it was sitting on the futon behind us and that's when he did it She said that while Lizzie sat on the floor watching a movie Seth quietly put on gloves behind her and grabbed a rope Holy shit she said quote he moved up behind her and pulled the rope over her neck and strangled her

She let out a quick noise and then she sort of stopped moving. It was fucking horrifying. Holy shit. That is disgusting. This poor fucking girl. Jesus Christ. They said, and dude, these appear to be the gloves they showed. They hold up the gloves and they're like these black creepy gloves.

I got a picture of them. I'll post. Oh boy. And she said yes. And they said, and then what happened? Was that the end of it, and she said no it wasn't Then he raped her and she was dead. Oh my god He strangled her What the fuck this is horrific they said so there was no

BDSM tying up like no said nothing there was no harness. No, there was a rope straight up murder. Yeah It was a murder and then he raped a corpse Yeah, exactly I'm horrified boy for everyone involved except for Seth he sucks so Cat said she wasn't moving at all. She was completely limp and they said she wasn't conscious and she said no They said did you tell him't conscious and she said no. They said, did you tell him to stop? And she said, no. No. I mean, what are you gonna say?

Oh, wow. I guess at that point, I mean, he's got the rope out. They said, did you yell for help? She said, no. They said, did you do anything to save Lizzie's life? Not at all. Okay. She said, I definitely have, oh, this is a juror later on, said, I definitely have sympathy

for Kat. I don't think she was in control of her anything, her mind, anything that night. She also said on the stand, Kat said, Seth came over to me, I was still curled up, and he held out his arm to me and he said, come on, we're in this together. Oh boy. She said by that time it was very late, like 1 a.m. They said together, the prosecutor said together, they located Lizzie's car, took the car, using back roads and avoiding all the toll booths. They went to. Right, so no cameras.

No cameras, yep. They said that she helped put the body into Lizzie's car. They drove 13 miles to the coast, and they parked at the end of Pierce Island and brought Lizzie's body wrapped in a tarp and stuffed into a suitcase. What the shit? This is fucked up, man.

Up to a path and an overlook above the river. They took her body out of the suitcase and they asked who pushed Lizzie's body over the cliff at that point and she said Seth did. The body tumbled down the cliff but it was low tide and she landed on the rocks. Oh God Jesus 35 feet down. Oh Jesus. So Seth said he said he couldn't climb because he was too exhausted. So that's when I climbed down to her. He said to cover her with seaweed. So I covered her completely with seaweed and I managed to push her into the water.

She said that she spent the remaining hours that night throwing away the evidence that's never been recovered, suitcase, most of her clothing, the rope that she was strangled with, all of that, and then they left the car in the parking lot and walked six miles home. Good God, what a gross six mile hike. That is disgusting. And you're with this piece of shit next to you. Corpse raper.

So they said that she was she said she was completely isolated from her friends and family. She said I didn't want to lose him. He was the only person I have. I didn't have anywhere else I could go. Holy fucking shit. And they said also the underwear. They said that was another item you threw away in the dumpster and she said yes. And these items show in the gloves and all that she said yes.

The juror later on said the gloves for me were very incriminating. That was the point where I thought premeditation when he put on those gloves he was actually thinking about doing something. Cross exam here. Defense attorney says, do you have the capacity to look these jurors in the eye and lie to them while you project meekness and submissiveness and remorse? And she said, I'm not lying to them. I'm up here to explain everything that had happened truthfully to the point where I'm admitting to awful things that I personally have done. I did lie a lot but

I don't want to anymore and that's why I'm up here telling the truth. Yeah, they got a psychiatrist in here who's an expert on abusive relationships and said that you can love someone and be afraid of them simultaneously. This is what abusers count on. This is a very gradual increase of the manipulation and control and it usually just increases when they feel the need to. Closing arguments, the defense argues that Kat can't be trusted, said, what we have is Kat McDonough being the manipulator of facts, lying, lying to you from that witness stand. And the prosecutor said that she's not on trial, Seth is.

He said send him the message that you you know the truth about him and that he's a cold-blooded killer the verdict five men seven women and that comes in the Lizzie's dad said I've never been that nervous in my life we were all sitting on pins and needles right and they find him guilty of first-degree murder yeah by strangulation guilty of first-degree rape and murder, and guilty on two counts of conspiracy. He's fucked. Super, yeah.

For sentencing, he didn't want to show up. He didn't even show up to sentencing. He ended up showing up, but he didn't want to. He was trying to get the judge to sign off on it. Now technically, you have a right to be there, but you don't have to be there. You don't want to. A law professor said that it's not remarkably unusual and he's seen a lot of judges grant these requests. Really? He said what's he going to miss? He's going

to miss the judge probably saying nasty things about him and other people saying nasty things about him. Of course he doesn't want to be there. This is taking your medicine. After all this, why be there? They get the family up on the stand here. The uncle that she was living with, that Lizzie was living with, Tony, said, you are the one that took her life from us and Lizzie from us. He said, you're a twisted individual who brought only darkness and pain into this world. Wow. Her dad said, it's so hard to envision that level of evilness and disregard for humanity. Lizzie's gone.

I still find that hard to comprehend. You murdered her over a year and a half ago and every day I wonder what she would have been doing. She said, I call this dad's exhibit one and was allowed to walk around the courtroom with a big picture of her holding a holding a little turtle in her hand. Oh, fuck. Or frog. I'm sorry. He said, Look closely and you can see a frog gently little turtle in her hand. Oh, fuck. Or frog. I'm sorry. He said, look closely and you can see a frog gently cupped in her hands.

Why is Lizzie so happy? She's saving that frog. Mom said we were all shell shocked during the trial. Lizzie died twice a day every day. It was awful. And then she said, Mr. Maseglia, I'm Melissa Marriott. I'm Lizzie's mother. I miss Lizzie every day. I wake up in the morning and she's gone. I go to bed at night and she's still gone. And all because a cowardly 30-year-old man could not deal with a confident young woman. He just didn't want to fuck her.

Or she just didn't want to fuck him. She didn't want to fuck him. That's it. He could have went, oh, that's cool. Finish the movie. She took off. And then find somebody who wants to fuck you. He's a five-nine-gumby shit.

Nobody wants to fuck you, man. Sorry. Sorry. Especially if she's in the chicks. That'si shit. Nobody wants to fuck you, man. Sorry. Especially if she's in the chicks. That's the last guy she wants to fuck. So Seth has a chance to speak and he does. What's he say?

A quote. I did not rape and murder Elizabeth Marriott. Bad start. Oh, dude, don't do that. However, I do understand the Marriott family's pain and I did play a part in covering up her death. A mistake I tried to correct when investigators came to me and I showed them exactly where I left Lizzie's body. Unfortunately we were unable to recover her and for that I am truly sorry. My heart goes

out to the Marriott family and I'm very sorry for their loss. I'm sure you are. Super sorry. The judge says, you dumpy little pervert. Yeah. May fuck off life without parole. Oh, is that right? Eat dicks you little fucker. Yeah. may fuck off life without parole. Oh, is that right? Dicks you little fucker. Yeah, he had all the adverting factors forever and ever fuck you. Oh boy Dad said Lizzie's dad Bob who these parents I feel terrible

They seem like nice people who raised a nice kid in there a great kid. They're just fucking Just obliterated by this He said we're very grateful that the jury returned a verdict of guilty and for first-degree murder The truth of what happened to Lizzie is horrendous and every time it's been told it's reinforced the despair that we feel Here comes unbelievable cat pleads guilty to hindering prosecution in a sentence to you ma'am may fuck off I guess a year and a half to three years in prison She gets Christ the jurors said how can you prove a murder without a body one juror said no body no crime Gonna say it all the time. I mean, it's a very easy if she doesn't exist. You can't see her anywhere

Yeah, not using her car her money. She's not using her car, her money. She's not alive. She's dead. She's dead. He said, I didn't think it was possible. One juror said they kind of believed the defense. They said, that put a question mark in my head. Could that have actually happened

the way she's describing it, meaning Kat? Kat was on the stand for 10 days, by the way. Jesus. Poof. So they said that if he testified, it would have helped to at least get his side of the story and put it together. One juror said she could have manipulated him.

She's an actress. She's a compulsive liar. No, she's not. All these things are questions that go into your head. No, she's definitely not. You see her audition. She's not an actress. No.

They said, though, it was kind of like ping pong. We each broke it down step by step They said I think she's wondrous that I think that cats way more culpable than her sentence Like we thought she should she should have got more said I think she should have gotten a longer sentence I mean, we can't forget that she helped dispose of a fucking body obviously So anyway, they have remembering Lizzie org by the way, way, L-I-Z-Z-I.org. They set up a scholarship in her memory. It's called the Lizzie Marriott Intrepid Ocean Explorer Fund.

So that's nice if you want to put some money somewhere nice. 2016, Seth tries to appeal saying that we weren't allowed to introduce evidence of Lizzie being into freaky sex. Oh, okay. And that she wanted to be there and all this type of shit They said you're not bringing her sex life into this because it's fucking irrelevant Someone there said you fucking strangled her when she said no then raped the corpse just because she likes other shit is completely irrelevant She wasn't alive when sex was done. Yep. And so that was that. That was the state supreme court said,

not happening, motherfuckers. Stacey, you're not gonna now run this girl through the mud because you feel like it. Yeah, just to trade her memory, Jesus. There you go, he's rotting in fucking jail, luckily. Wow. She's out. Oh, Kat's out there.

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